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From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclonewx at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: March 6, NSW ASWA Meeting (Storm video and photo feast!)


Hi everyone,

Just one note - one of our members has a severe allergic reaction to
chemicals, especially those found in perfumes, aftershaves, cosmetics
and strong spray on deodourants, so if people could please refrain from
using these items that would be most appreciated - thank you!!!

Also as an addition - Will Barton from the Blue Mountains (owner over
Blue Mountains Photography at www.bluemtsphoto.com) will be displaying
some of his fantastic slide photos!  Will has taken some truly
breathtaking and spectacular shots as can be seen on his website.

See everyone this Saturday!

AC

Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> The next NSW ASWA meeting will be on Saturday 6th March at 6pm at The
> Weather Company office.  (Level 1, 7 West St, North Sydney)
> 
> The presentations will include:
> 
> Matthew Smith will be showing some video of inside a microburst in the
> hunter and some  video of storms the other week with lightning rates of
> 2 a second in Sydney!
> 
> Matthew Pearce (professional meteorologist at The Weather Company!) will
> give a detailed weather briefing for the upcoming week.
> 
> David Sercombe will be presenting some photos from the Mid North Coast,
> with plenty of interesting photos that will make for excellent
> discussion!
> 
> Philip Basil Jones has edited some of his footage into highlights (from
> Sydney recently, and also from Darwin TDU-Style). Phil has done an
> AWESOME job in editing this and has timed it excellently to music -
> basically it's like the famous AGM videos, only it goes for longer!
> 
> Michael Manning will also be providing a similar presentation from some
> of the Brisbane thunderstorms over recent weeks.
> 
> I'll also be giving a presentation on some of the storms in Southeast
> Queensland over the last few weeks, mostly consisting of video and
> photos!  Including (but not only!)
> 
> Gold Coast Squall Line, Jan 24:
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/24010408.jpg
> Pottsville HP Supercell (embedded in a squall line), Jan 25:
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/25-01-04-05.jpg
> Beaudesert-Amberley "Nuclear Bomb" supercell, Jan 26:
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/26-01-04-05.jpg
> Darling Downs, Feb 16 - some of the spectacular structure and storms
> that developed as CAPE values exceeded 4500-5000!!!
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/16-02-04-16.jpg
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/16-02-04-25.jpg
> 
> We've also had many spectacular lightning displays...including Feb 16
> (night) and recently, Feb 22...so I'll display some video and photos
> also and open a general discussion for "What conditions are favourable
> for spectacular and frequent lightning?"
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/16-02-04-23.jpg
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/th22-02-04.jpg
> 
> If there's time, I'll show the Redcliffe Tornadic Supercell also...this
> storm did around $4000 damage to my car as 90-100km/h winds and hail up
> to 5cm battered it!
> 
> http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/NSW/26-10-03-pan7.jpg
> 
> Should be a great evening!
> 
> Recapping the details:
> 
> Date: Saturday, 6th of March
> Time: 6pm commencement
> Venue: The Weather Company
> Level 1
> 7 West St
> North Sydney
> 
> * Bring along any weather photos or video if you'd like to show them! k
> * We normally purchase pizza at the meeting, please bring around $5 if
> you're interested in it!
> 
> *** Everyone is welcome, we especially invite guests to come and have a
> great time! ***
> 
> Hope to see you there - living in Brisbane I don't get a chance to meet
> Sydney/NSW people very often!
> 
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> 0417 759 304
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty


Hi All,

Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR152.loop.shtml#image

John.

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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty


I think the Learmonth 256 loop is better. Less attenuation.
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR292.loop.shtml#image 

James Holbeach
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Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
University of Melbourne, Australia
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty

Hi All,

Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR152.loop.shtml#image

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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 19:31:27 +1300
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<DIV><BR><FONT size=2>Judy, re your question to outline flood 
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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The insurance council say they expect claims to exceed $100 
million.&nbsp; But there is a&nbsp; lot of damage not covered by the insurance 
industry.&nbsp; Damage to roading infrastructure will be picked up by the 
Goverment, which may&nbsp;also exceed $100million for example.&nbsp; The extent 
of the flood covered the lower half of the North Island. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Rhett</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>It nevers stops raining in the South island for Long.&nbsp; 
The hydro system is full to overflowing.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I'll email you soon&nbsp;re the USA storm chase 
trip.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=super7 at ihug.com.au href="mailto:super7 at ihug.com.au">Judith Mayo</A> 
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  wet</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Steven,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>I was wondering if you could please outline the damage and 
  where it happened in the storm earlier this month that has caused $300million 
  damage.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Judy Mayo.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    Williams</A> </DIV>
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    wet</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT size=2>We had 112mm here in&nbsp; Auckland yesterday.&nbsp; 
    Widespread rainfall yesterday produced falls upto 300mm in the higher 
    country, 100-150mm lower lying areas.&nbsp; I hear on the radio that about 
    100 people have been evacuated from a small central NI town due flooding 
    this morning.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I was reading in the paper today, &nbsp;the damage bill 
    for the big flood event in lower North Island earlier this month will exceed 
    $300million.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Judith Mayo" <super7 at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Thanks Steven, I managed to miss that news about NZ&nbsp;on 
the news and then my daughter came home and said that one of the women from work 
told her that a building had collapsed or something major like that.&nbsp; 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Judy</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR><FONT size=2>Judy, re your question to outline flood 
  damage.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>The insurance council say they expect claims to exceed $100 
  million.&nbsp; But there is a&nbsp; lot of damage not covered by the insurance 
  industry.&nbsp; Damage to roading infrastructure will be picked up by the 
  Goverment, which may&nbsp;also exceed $100million for example.&nbsp; The 
  extent of the flood covered the lower half of the North Island. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Rhett</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>It nevers stops raining in the South island for Long.&nbsp; 
  The hydro system is full to overflowing.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Jimmy</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>I'll email you soon&nbsp;re the USA storm chase 
  trip.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Steven,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I was wondering if you could please outline the damage and 
    where it happened in the storm earlier this month that has caused 
    $300million damage.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Judy Mayo.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      Williams</A> </DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 29, 2004 8:22 
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      wet</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV><LABEL id=HbSession SessionId="1378024751"></LABEL>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>We had 112mm here in&nbsp; Auckland yesterday.&nbsp; 
      Widespread rainfall yesterday produced falls upto 300mm in the higher 
      country, 100-150mm lower lying areas.&nbsp; I hear on the radio that about 
      100 people have been evacuated from a small central NI town due flooding 
      this morning.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>I was reading in the paper today, &nbsp;the damage bill 
      for the big flood event in lower North Island earlier this month will 
      exceed $300million.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi James and all
I have been watching Monty on Lermouth  256 loop since 5pm ESST and it seems 
the Eye is between Barrow Island and Mardie. Its a shame the AWS's  at 
Barrow Island and Onslow are out of action  so we have not a record of eye 
passage over Barrow Island.Very frustrating.Was it power loss or loss of 
links? Anyone know?.They must have had quite a hammering on Barrow by the 
look of it.I think the eye will cross northeast of Onslow but he is very 
slow moving.
Gavin
Southside Weather Watch Canberra

>From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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>I think the Learmonth 256 loop is better. Less attenuation.
>http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR292.loop.shtml#image
>
>James Holbeach
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>Hi All,
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>Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
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Gavin,

Barrow Island operations were shut down , thats why no updates apparently.
The eye atm has taken dead aim on Mardi Station

Max
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>
> Hi James and all
> I have been watching Monty on Lermouth  256 loop since 5pm ESST and it
seems
> the Eye is between Barrow Island and Mardie. Its a shame the AWS's  at
> Barrow Island and Onslow are out of action  so we have not a record of eye
> passage over Barrow Island.Very frustrating.Was it power loss or loss of
> links? Anyone know?.They must have had quite a hammering on Barrow by the
> look of it.I think the eye will cross northeast of Onslow but he is very
> slow moving.
> Gavin
> Southside Weather Watch Canberra
>
> >From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
> >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:03:43 +1100
> >
> >I think the Learmonth 256 loop is better. Less attenuation.
> >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR292.loop.shtml#image
> >
> >James Holbeach
> >----------------------------------------
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> >University of Melbourne, Australia
> >ph. +61 3 8344 6652
> >----------------------------------------
> >
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> >Woodbridge
> >Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 12:54 PM
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
> >
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
> >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR152.loop.shtml#image
> >
> >John.
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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My monthly summary for February 2004, recorded at Morphett Vale, Adelaide,
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Thanks Max,
It seems with no mains power the AWS shuts down,suprises me they don't have 
back up batteries.We had problems here when the Airport AWS lost mains power 
in a storm a year back, we had no data on the storm as a result!. Seems 
Onslow will still get a belting!
Gavin


>From: "Max" <max56 at iinet.net.au>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Monty
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:18:04 +1100
>
>Gavin,
>
>Barrow Island operations were shut down , thats why no updates apparently.
>The eye atm has taken dead aim on Mardi Station
>
>Max
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>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:32 PM
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
>
>
> >
> > Hi James and all
> > I have been watching Monty on Lermouth  256 loop since 5pm ESST and it
>seems
> > the Eye is between Barrow Island and Mardie. Its a shame the AWS's  at
> > Barrow Island and Onslow are out of action  so we have not a record of 
>eye
> > passage over Barrow Island.Very frustrating.Was it power loss or loss of
> > links? Anyone know?.They must have had quite a hammering on Barrow by 
>the
> > look of it.I think the eye will cross northeast of Onslow but he is very
> > slow moving.
> > Gavin
> > Southside Weather Watch Canberra
> >
> > >From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
> > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:03:43 +1100
> > >
> > >I think the Learmonth 256 loop is better. Less attenuation.
> > >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR292.loop.shtml#image
> > >
> > >James Holbeach
> > >----------------------------------------
> > >Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
> > >University of Melbourne, Australia
> > >ph. +61 3 8344 6652
> > >----------------------------------------
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of John
> > >Woodbridge
> > >Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 12:54 PM
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
> > >
> > >Hi All,
> > >
> > >Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
> > >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR152.loop.shtml#image
> > >
> > >John.
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Update on Monty  at midnight EST shows Eye crossing coast just south of 
Mardie heading southeast.
looks best on the Dampier Radar
Gavin


>From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
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>Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 23:35:35 +1100
>
>Thanks Max,
>It seems with no mains power the AWS shuts down,suprises me they don't have 
>back up batteries.We had problems here when the Airport AWS lost mains 
>power in a storm a year back, we had no data on the storm as a result!. 
>Seems Onslow will still get a belting!
>Gavin
>
>
>>From: "Max" <max56 at iinet.net.au>
>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Monty
>>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:18:04 +1100
>>
>>Gavin,
>>
>>Barrow Island operations were shut down , thats why no updates apparently.
>>The eye atm has taken dead aim on Mardi Station
>>
>>Max
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
>>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>>Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:32 PM
>>Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi James and all
>> > I have been watching Monty on Lermouth  256 loop since 5pm ESST and it
>>seems
>> > the Eye is between Barrow Island and Mardie. Its a shame the AWS's  at
>> > Barrow Island and Onslow are out of action  so we have not a record of 
>>eye
>> > passage over Barrow Island.Very frustrating.Was it power loss or loss 
>>of
>> > links? Anyone know?.They must have had quite a hammering on Barrow by 
>>the
>> > look of it.I think the eye will cross northeast of Onslow but he is 
>>very
>> > slow moving.
>> > Gavin
>> > Southside Weather Watch Canberra
>> >
>> > >From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
>> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>> > >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
>> > >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:03:43 +1100
>> > >
>> > >I think the Learmonth 256 loop is better. Less attenuation.
>> > >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR292.loop.shtml#image
>> > >
>> > >James Holbeach
>> > >----------------------------------------
>> > >Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
>> > >University of Melbourne, Australia
>> > >ph. +61 3 8344 6652
>> > >----------------------------------------
>> > >
>> > >-----Original Message-----
>> > >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>> > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of John
>> > >Woodbridge
>> > >Sent: Monday, 1 March 2004 12:54 PM
>> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>> > >Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Monty
>> > >
>> > >Hi All,
>> > >
>> > >Awesome view (12:00 noon EST) of Monty on Dampier 256 km radar loop:
>> > >http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR152.loop.shtml#image
>> > >
>> > >John.
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Hi all,


Darwins storm drought seems to have come to an end over the past few days 
with some nice cells working their way in during the night.. solid pink with 
red on radar etc.  This morning showed 55knots and rain rates 120mm/hr+ 
during a 1 hour whiteout.. Will be interesting to see if there is any 
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Ohh that's interesting cause The Weather Channel ('Know First') says that we
wont get any rain today. You must have mistaken that loud noise on your roof
for possums! LOL.

Great hey!

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Hi all,


Darwins storm drought seems to have come to an end over the past few days 
with some nice cells working their way in during the night.. solid pink with

red on radar etc.  This morning showed 55knots and rain rates 120mm/hr+ 
during a 1 hour whiteout.. Will be interesting to see if there is any 
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From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Wonderful Friends!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heres some figures of the weather in Mena, Arkansas 
for Feb. 2004:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Avg. Max.: 48.8F(9.3C)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Avg. Min.: 31.4F(-0.3C)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Highest Max.: 67F(19.4C) Feb. 23</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lowest Min.: 19F(-7.2C) Feb. 7 &amp; 8</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Highest Min.: 47F(8.3C) 
Feb. 20 &amp; 29</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lowest Max.: 
36F(2.2C) Feb. 4, 6, 7 &amp; 14</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rain for February: 4.70"/119.3mm 
(+1.10"/+27.9mm)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rain for Year: 9.50"/241.3mm 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>9 raindays in month.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I copped 1.5" (3.8cm) Snow on Feb. 14, with snow 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, the daylight hours are getting longer, frogs 
are croaking, trees are budding and it feels like Spring is almost here (Spring 
comes to the Nth Hemisphere on March 20th). I was disappointed in the snowfall 
as the Winter 2004 total (1 event) was less than one-tenth the accumulation of 
Winter 2003.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wishing ALL A Safe, Happy, Prosperous &amp; Blessed 
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HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Possums with size 20 boots and bladders the size of 44 gallon drums
?????????


:)

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> Ohh that's interesting cause The Weather Channel ('Know First') says that
we
> wont get any rain today. You must have mistaken that loud noise on your
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> for possums! LOL.
>
> Great hey!
>
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> Darwins storm drought seems to have come to an end over the past few days
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> fluctuating rapidly (very common here) but will be interesting to see if
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<DIV><SPAN class=398570015-05032004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Sure 
are copping a hammering from this little tropical low.&nbsp; 126mm 9:00am to 
midnight  at  Mt. Crosby and&nbsp;really howling now.&nbsp; Wind still ESE.&nbsp; 
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other interesting thing about this, which I should have mentioned in the last 
email, is the steadily rising temp as the tropical air mass wrapped into the low 
moves in.&nbsp; Has risen at least 3C since 6:00pm, now around 25C 
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>A very interesting low, checking Sea 
surface temps off shore of Brisbane are near 26c, the easterly has a large fetch 
across the Pacific and is well mixed in the lower 2000 feet, so its not 
surprising the level of moisture that is evident, the upper support for this 
surface low seems to be an upper cool/cold pool low over central east QLD....The 
BOM Brisbane should be congratulated for a prediction of this developing 'extra 
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof6 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi all.
I would have to say I haven't seen a wrap around band associated with the
QLD low move so fast and far down the east coast of Australia, almost
getting into east Vic this afternoon, it will be interesting to see what
happens when it crunches up against the mid lat trough and cloud band over
west Vic.....Clyve H

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>getting into east Vic this afternoon, it will be interesting to see what
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After 27 and a half hours without mains power, all i can say is "thank god"
im back on the grid again.

Lots of damage around the Park Ridge to Beaudesert district, some BIG trees
down, many big branches down, some closing off the only route south last
night (highway 13, Mt Lindsay) as far as im lead to believe, Cunninghams Gap
was still closed off earlier thisafternoon.

Rainfall was just absurd last night, I left the car down the front and waded
through waist deep water  at  midnight with no power to get back up to the
house.. it has receeded enough to drive right up what is left of the
driveway. (And what is left of our trees)

There is a lot of cleaning up to do after this one!

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Sure are copping a hammering from this little tropical low.  126mm 9:00am to
midnight  at  Mt. Crosby and really howling now.  Wind still ESE.  Power has
died 3 times in the last hour.
 
John.
 



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Clyve we had the cloud band pass over us yesterday but only 1.7mm of raiun!
Gavin
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Hi all,

We had the cloud band come over us and had a healthy 18.4mm of rain.

Jimmy

At 10:50 AM 7/03/2004, you wrote:
>Clyve we had the cloud band pass over us yesterday but only 1.7mm of raiun!
>Gavin
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>>Hi all.
>>I would have to say I haven't seen a wrap around band associated with the
>>QLD low move so fast and far down the east coast of Australia, almost
>>getting into east Vic this afternoon, it will be interesting to see what
>>happens when it crunches up against the mid lat trough and cloud band over
>>west Vic.....Clyve H
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We saw the cloudband suddenly come to a grinding halt just east of
Flinders Island.......

Jane

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Hi all,

We had the cloud band come over us and had a healthy 18.4mm of rain.

Jimmy

At 10:50 AM 7/03/2004, you wrote:
>Clyve we had the cloud band pass over us yesterday but only 1.7mm of
raiun!
>Gavin
>SSWW Canberra
>
>
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>>
>>Hi all.
>>I would have to say I haven't seen a wrap around band associated with
the
>>QLD low move so fast and far down the east coast of Australia, almost
>>getting into east Vic this afternoon, it will be interesting to see
what
>>happens when it crunches up against the mid lat trough and cloud band
over
>>west Vic.....Clyve H
>>
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Hi all,

The most severe weather occurred from 6pm Friday onwards on the NSW North 
Coast, with winds peaking locally between 1am and 3am Sat. Cape Byron 
measured a few gusts over 100km/h, though received a lot less rain than 
observing sites just inland from the coast:
http://www.BoM.GOV.AU/products/IDN65092/IDN65092.94599.shtml

We lost power at 2.15am and it was not restored until 2.30pm - over 12 
hours which is very annoying when relying on electric pumps for water ! (I 
live out of town).   Rainfall fell at a rate of about 20mm/hour for about 6 
hours to 1am - then eased, with the 24 hour total of 152mm - though the 
bulk of it fell in just 8 hours.

Yesterday afternoon I toured around the Lismore district to see the extent 
of flooding and any damage. Around my area (20km SW of Cape Byron), some 
trees had been brought down with many large (30cm diameter) branches 
snapped off, and leaf and trig litter was everywhere.  Quite a number of 
roads were cut by floodwaters, and the main rivers were rising quickly in 
Lismore itself with a river peak of 7.5 metres expected last night (this is 
a moderate level and only inundates lower parts of the city).

I estimate winds reached 90 to 100 km/h at my property late Friday night 
and early Saturday morning. Winds veered from SE to E then NE (as the rain 
cleared) during the event, with quite strong northerlies during Saturday 
with mainly fine conditions.

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The southerly on the far west end of the QLD low here in central Vic brought
2.3mm of fog and drizzle at Woodend, its interesting to note that my entire
summer rainfall DEC to FEB produced near 66mm for the three
months!!.....31mm of that fell in a single storm in December over a period
of 12 minutes, so its been a rather frustrating weather period here in
central Victoria.....regards Clyve H.......
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> Hi all,
>
> We had the cloud band come over us and had a healthy 18.4mm of rain.
>
> Jimmy
>
> At 10:50 AM 7/03/2004, you wrote:
> >Clyve we had the cloud band pass over us yesterday but only 1.7mm of
raiun!
> >Gavin
> >SSWW Canberra
> >
> >
> >>From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof6 at iprimus.com.au>
> >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >>To: "aussie weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >>Subject: aus-wx: QLD LOW
> >>Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 14:29:36 +1100
> >>
> >>Hi all.
> >>I would have to say I haven't seen a wrap around band associated with
the
> >>QLD low move so fast and far down the east coast of Australia, almost
> >>getting into east Vic this afternoon, it will be interesting to see what
> >>happens when it crunches up against the mid lat trough and cloud band
over
> >>west Vic.....Clyve H
> >>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>And I just wonder what these tropical 
depressions hate so much about Sydney that we don't get the rain they once would 
have been guaranteed to bring...still 22mm here isn't a bad drop I 
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>The southerly on the far west end of the QLD low here in 
  central Vic brought<BR>2.3mm of fog and drizzle at Woodend, its interesting to 
  note that my entire<BR>summer rainfall DEC to FEB produced near 66mm for the 
  three<BR>months!!.....31mm of that fell in a single storm in December over a 
  period<BR>of 12 minutes, so its been a rather frustrating weather period here 
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  and had a healthy 18.4mm of rain.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Jimmy<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; At 
  10:50 AM 7/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;Clyve we had the cloud band pass 
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Lots of good info here if anyone is interested.

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/fcst/home.rxml

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Yes Bussy that site has been around for a while but I think it was 
re-constructed or moved on a different server form memory.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara

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Bugger. Sorry about that. Also found this one which is interesting.

http://www.shoal.net.au/~seabreeze/wea/weather.html

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No sorry. That is a great site - will check this one out though.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara

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>The southerly on the far west end of the QLD low here in central Vic brought
>2.3mm of fog and drizzle at Woodend, its interesting to note that my entire
>summer rainfall DEC to FEB produced near 66mm for the three
>months!!.....31mm of that fell in a single storm in December over a period
>of 12 minutes, so its been a rather frustrating weather period here in
>central Victoria.....regards Clyve H.......

Passed through Woodend twice today, and noticed a LOT of drizzle. 
:)  Further north, the weather varied between clear and overcast.  Typical 
southern drizzle conditions.

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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=2>I'm not sure how much 
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roofs.&nbsp;&nbsp;Trees and powerlines were also bought down in a number of 
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Hi Bussy,

Hey, I knew about the other site you posted but not this one.
Thanks for that!
;)

Regs, Paul.
(Stargazer)
http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer


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> Bugger. Sorry about that. Also found this one which is interesting.
>
> http://www.shoal.net.au/~seabreeze/wea/weather.html
>
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> > Yes Bussy that site has been around for a while but I think it was
> > re-constructed or moved on a different server form memory.
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Hi All.

Phil's email server is down, so I am letting you know that he has set 
up a page for the SE Qld - NE NSW "Sub-Tropical Storm" event (for 
want of a better name) at: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/seq04.htm

It includes much discussion and many satellite images of this event 
as it unfolded including many extracts from emails among a Tropical 
Cyclone Discussion Group, and has some interesting comments by some 
noted tropical cyclone specialists.

I have also set up a page of well lit daily satpics starting from 
well before this storm unfolded at: 
http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/2003-2004/SEQ_SubTropStorm/index.htm

These are all composites of BoM Vis and IR images, with high clouds 
showing up as bluish and low clouds as a rusty or tan colour. You can 
animate the series in either direction by clicking the Prev and Next 
links.

It is quite an interesting set as it shows a series of troughs moving 
NE from eastern Australia to collide with the monsoon trough over the 
N Coral Sea, and culminates with the storm system moving onto 
Queensland.

Enjoy!

Regards,
Carl.
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Hi Michael,

Your description and sequence of events is pretty much identical to mine  at 
Mt. Crosby.  The heaviest rain and strongest wind was between 12:30am
1:30am.  I judged it too dangeroous to visit the rain gauge at 12:30 due to
the amount of tree debris flying around and had visions of being crushed
under a large gum tree ~ but in fact I did not lose any trees in the end.

Took about 4 hours to clean up the pool on Sunday morning when power was
finally restored (failed at 1:30am Sat, restored at 4:30 pm Sat).  It did
well to last until 1.30 am, although I counted 11 short (less than 1 minute)
interruptions in the hour beforehand.  Wind veered NE at 1:30am and only
13mm of rain in the 24 hours after that, giving me a total of 142mm for the
system.  Max temp with the system about 25C at 1:00am!  Definitely warm
cored.

And yes Clyve, it goes to show how far the models have come, with this
system accurately predicted, including point of land crossing, and estimated
max wind strengths only slightly over estimated some 3+ days in advance.
Awesome, considering the traditionally unpredictable nature of these things.

Regards,
John W.

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Hi all,

The most severe weather occurred from 6pm Friday onwards on the NSW North
Coast, with winds peaking locally between 1am and 3am Sat. Cape Byron
measured a few gusts over 100km/h, though received a lot less rain than
observing sites just inland from the coast:
http://www.BoM.GOV.AU/products/IDN65092/IDN65092.94599.shtml

We lost power at 2.15am and it was not restored until 2.30pm - over 12
hours which is very annoying when relying on electric pumps for water ! (I
live out of town).   Rainfall fell at a rate of about 20mm/hour for about 6
hours to 1am - then eased, with the 24 hour total of 152mm - though the
bulk of it fell in just 8 hours.

Yesterday afternoon I toured around the Lismore district to see the extent
of flooding and any damage. Around my area (20km SW of Cape Byron), some
trees had been brought down with many large (30cm diameter) branches
snapped off, and leaf and trig litter was everywhere.  Quite a number of
roads were cut by floodwaters, and the main rivers were rising quickly in
Lismore itself with a river peak of 7.5 metres expected last night (this is
a moderate level and only inundates lower parts of the city).

I estimate winds reached 90 to 100 km/h at my property late Friday night
and early Saturday morning. Winds veered from SE to E then NE (as the rain
cleared) during the event, with quite strong northerlies during Saturday
with mainly fine conditions.

cheers, Michael


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  Lightning Photography:             http://lightningphotography.com/
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From: "Judith Mayo" <super7 at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Mona Vale, NSW in the Lovely Nthn Beaches.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The temperature is rising a bit faster since mid-day.&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>11am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; 1pm&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
34</FONT></DIV>
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2.30&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;38.5</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The air conditioner and Lord of the Rings is a good 
combination this afternoon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Judy</FONT></DIV>
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By 3.40 Sydney Observatory Hill reached 39.3 degrees - just 0.5 short of
the all time March record on 9 March 1983.
It is also the highest temp in Sydney city for any month since 21 Dec
1994 although there have been many +40 degree days in the western
suburbs.

Don White

> Judith Mayo wrote:
> 
> Mona Vale, NSW in the Lovely Nthn Beaches.
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> The temperature is rising a bit faster since mid-day.
> 11am        32
>   1pm        34
>   2pm        38
>   2.30        38.5
> 
> The air conditioner and Lord of the Rings is a good combination this
> afternoon.
> 
> Keep cool
> Judy
> 
> 
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Hey All,

Just found this on the JPL website of NASA's pics of TC Monty as he made
landfall.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04353.jpg

PaulY

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Nice!!!!!!!!
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> Hey All,
>
> Just found this on the JPL website of NASA's pics of TC Monty as he made
> landfall.
>
> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA04353.jpg
>
> PaulY
>
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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he made</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
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  size=2>H<SPAN class=184333122-09032004>i from 
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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assume you mean you want to hot link the images- if so, just tell me the exact
website you wish to post them on, and I&#8217;ll allow it.</span></font></p>

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digitally altered the original so that you could make out more of the structure
of the central area&nbsp; . . .Pictures 3, 4 and 8 (L-R) are the un touched
originals with some cropping.</span></font></p>

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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> AW: aus-wx: Nasa images
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Could
you please send me a permisson that i could get the pictures, where the cyclone
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From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:14:23 +1000
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Hello Everyone

I found this about MJO
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap12/mjo.html

Chas
Bedourie Qld




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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>** No I dind't want to post them, I
only thought that I could save these dark Monty pictures on my computer...but
the huge ones.So I contacted you.I sometimes collect great pictures and so I
asked you if you could give me the permisson for the huge photos.</span></font></p>

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Hello Everyone

This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.

Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor

Audio




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Hi,

Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that the hail cannon 
where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms came through. This 
is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail 
cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did 
Rune's back:)

Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that they feel the 
radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more about 
hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the 
sceptics attention.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
>Hello Everyone
>
>This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>
>Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
>afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
>across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
>minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
>storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
>colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
>used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
>the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
>Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
>then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
>circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
>by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
>Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
>Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
>and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
>aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
>he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
>Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
>to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
>wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
>around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
>Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>
>Audio
>
>
>
>
>Chas
>Bedourie Qld
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of those 
skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of the sound wave, 
how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is effective?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex 
Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that was to 
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest 
  that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go off when a 
  hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts of Sydney near 
  Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have received a few hail 
  dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find 
  the invention of this machine odd in that they feel the <BR>radio waves 
  disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more about <BR>hail 
  physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the 
  <BR>sceptics attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 
  PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from 
  the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - Jodie 
  van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of 
  Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over 
  seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland Burnett, to put their 
  concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons 
  fire a sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to interfere with 
  the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail 
  from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in Mundubbera to 
  prevent crop damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, 
  leading to unnatural rain patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says 
  he watches storms build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds 
  take on a reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole 
  storm splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, 
  primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review of 
  rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs to be 
  established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they are, why. If it's 
  proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, they will be 
  banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the head of the 
  DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail 
  cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's 
  been little scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. 
  It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with 
  estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony Conroy: Binjour 
  landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: 
  Primary Industries minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
  mayor<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Audio<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Chas<BR>&gt;Bedourie 
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It seems to be all bullshit to me.

These hail cannon supposedly work by sending shock waves up into the clouds,
supposedly disrupting the formation of ice crystals in the supper cooled
droplets high up, ie, in the 30,000 to 50,000 ft range.

I have two fundamental problems with that.

ONE.  For a shock wave to go up that far it would have to be one hell of a bang
at ground level, ie, TONS of TNT, many of them, not a couple of ounces of
propane or acetylene.

TWO.  Hail comes out of thunderstorms, ie, when there is a virtual shock wave
generator mechanism going full tilt.  You can see it.  It is called lightening. 
Now those shock wave are generated "on site", not 30,000 plus feet away, by a
process expending prodigious amounts of energy, measured in the thousands of
tons of TNT.  If those shock waves produce, or help to produce hail, then adding
a few tiny ones would not do any good, or any harm for that matter, ie, they
would be absolutely insignificant.

My theory for hail suppression - (patented) - first, you need a lightening
suppresser.
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a 
couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought 
about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they worked so well? I 
was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was 
explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a hail 
cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he then again tried 
to explain the whole idea and so called science behind a hail cannon, I went on 
to then explain the reason you would not have to buy a hail cannon......the 
loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! 
and you know what....it does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; H</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of those 
  skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of the sound 
  wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is 
  effective?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex 
  Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that was to 
  create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' 
  about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to work...but, I 
  suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest 
    that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go off when a 
    hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts of Sydney near 
    Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have received a few hail 
    dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I 
    find the invention of this machine odd in that they feel the <BR>radio waves 
    disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more about <BR>hail 
    physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the 
    <BR>sceptics attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 
    PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from 
    the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - Jodie 
    van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of 
    Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over 
    seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland Burnett, to put their 
    concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail 
    cannons fire a sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to 
    interfere with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper 
    atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by 
    orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the 
    devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain 
    patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build 
    in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish 
    tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm splits down 
    the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, primary 
    industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall 
    data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs to be established 
    whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they are, why. If it's proven 
    that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, they will be banned. 
    Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the head of the DPI's 
    Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail 
    cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's 
    been little scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the 
    weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the 
    Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony 
    Conroy: Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt;Henry 
    Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
    mayor<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Audio<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Chas<BR>&gt;Bedourie 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is bring the 
anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's contribution to the 
greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a 
  couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought 
  about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they worked so well? 
  I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was 
  explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a hail 
  cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he then again tried 
  to explain the whole idea and so called science behind a hail cannon, I went 
  on to then explain the reason you would not have to buy a hail cannon......the 
  loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! 
  and you know what....it does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
  Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  H</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of those 
    skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of the sound 
    wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is 
    effective?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger 
    Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that 
    was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' 
    about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to work...but, I 
    suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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      href="mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com">Jimmy Deguara</A> </DIV>
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      <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can 
      suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go off 
      when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts of 
      Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have received 
      a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's 
      back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that 
      they feel the <BR>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have 
      learned more about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these 
      hail cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
      attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 
      12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from 
      the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - 
      Jodie van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts 
      of Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted 
      over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland Burnett, to put 
      their concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. 
      Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said 
      to interfere with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper 
      atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by 
      orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals 
      say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain 
      patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms 
      build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take on a 
      reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm 
      splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, 
      primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review of 
      rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs to be 
      established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they are, why. If 
      it's proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, they 
      will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the 
      head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger 
      Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to 
      work, although there's been little scientific study of how the 
      sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons 
      are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to 
      fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter 
      Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is bring the 
  anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's contribution to 
  the greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=mesof6 at iprimus.com.au 
    href="mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au">G8.106</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a 
    couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought 
    about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they worked so 
    well? I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as 
    it was explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you 
    buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he 
    then again tried to explain the whole idea and so called science behind a 
    hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you would not have to buy 
    a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free 
    and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not dissipate 
    hail.!!...regards 
    Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    H</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
      cannons</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of 
      those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of the 
      sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is 
      effective?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger 
      Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that 
      was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 
      'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to 
      work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can 
        suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go off 
        when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts of 
        Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have 
        received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's 
        back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in 
        that they feel the <BR>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet 
        we have learned more about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No 
        doubt these hail cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
        attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 
        12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from 
        the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - 
        Jodie van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts 
        of Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted 
        over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland Burnett, to put 
        their concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. 
        Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is 
        said to interfere with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder 
        upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons 
        are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but 
        locals say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural 
        rain patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches 
        storms build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take 
        on a reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole 
        storm splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the 
        meeting, primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a 
        review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it 
        needs to be established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they 
        are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant 
        weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's 
        spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate 
        Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone 
        says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's been little 
        scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It is 
        unknown how many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with 
        estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony Conroy: 
        Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt;Henry 
        Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
        mayor<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Audio<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Chas<BR>&gt;Bedourie 
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> Hi Keith,
> 
> I may have missed something in this thread between logons on various
> computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the greenhouse
> effect?
> 
> A totally confused Jane
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> aussky at iprimus.com.au
> 
> Australian Sky & Weather
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> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Keith Barnett 
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>   Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 PM
>   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>   Great Clyve!
> 
>   I think all it will do is bring the anti-everything brigade out,
> complaining about the device's contribution to the greenhouse
> effect...
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: G8.106 
>     To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>     Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 PM
>     Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>     Hi Keith and all......I was asked a couple of years ago in the
> Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought about hail cannons, he
> tried to explain his theory on why they worked so well? I was rather
> puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was
> explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a
> hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he then
> again tried to explain the whole idea and so called science behind a
> hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you would not have to
> buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come
> for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not
> dissipate hail.!!...regards Clyve           H
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Keith Barnett 
>       To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>       Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 PM
>       Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>       At the risk of being one of those skeptics, if there hasn't been
> much research into the effect of the sound wave, how in the name of
> goodness can it be proven that it is effective?
> 
>       It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the
> 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.
> 
>       The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' about rain and the weather
> generally, and often they seem to work...but, I suspect, for the wrong
> reason.
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: Jimmy Deguara 
>         To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>         Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:28 PM
>         Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>         Hi,
> 
>         Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that the hail
> cannon 
>         where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms came
> through. This 
>         is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that
> the hail 
>         cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19
> 1997:) So did 
>         Rune's back:)
> 
>         Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that they
> feel the 
>         radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned
> more about 
>         hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons
> attract the 
>         sceptics attention.
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Jimmy Deguara
> 
>         At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
>         >Hello Everyone
>         >
>         >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>         >
>         >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>         >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> Yesterday
>         >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> landholders from
>         >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> industries
>         >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> approaching
>         >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> in the
>         >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> cannons are
>         >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> locals say
>         >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> patterns.
>         >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> the west,
>         >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> develop
>         >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as
> if cut
>         >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> Henry
>         >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett.
> Mr
>         >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> splitting,
>         >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> causing
>         >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth
> says
>         >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> Applications,
>         >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> devices appear
>         >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> the sound
>         >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> are in use
>         >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen
> devices.
>         >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>         >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>         >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>         >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>         >
>         >Audio
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >Chas
>         >Bedourie Qld
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
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Well if it prevents Hail from forming, then it stops Glasshouses from being destroyed and the Greenhouse effect remains.

Seriously I think I like Boris' idea of carting an iceberg into the pacific to stop the drought than this hail gun nonsense.

As for the greenhouse effect, a new working group discussion paper will be published in the coming- with some rather suprising results ;)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I assume its powder (or whatever) 
charge emits carbon dioxide when the thing goes off?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>(Just having a little dig Jane 
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Keith,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>I may have missed something in this thread between logons on 
  various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the 
  greenhouse effect?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is bring 
    the anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's contribution 
    to the greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
      cannons</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a 
      couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I 
      thought about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they 
      worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that 
      sound waves as it was explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was 
      why would you buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to 
      what I meant he then again tried to explain the whole idea and so called 
      science behind a hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you 
      would not have to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a 
      hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it 
      does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
      Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      H</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
        cannons</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of 
        those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of 
        the sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is 
        effective?</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger 
        Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think 
        that was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 
        'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to 
        work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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          <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can 
          suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go 
          off when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts 
          of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have 
          received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's 
          back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in 
          that they feel the <BR>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet 
          we have learned more about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No 
          doubt these hail cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
          attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 
          12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is 
          from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail 
          cannons - Jodie van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing 
          drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting 
          in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the 
          inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary 
          industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound 
          wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to interfere with the 
          storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper atmosphere, preventing 
          hail from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in 
          Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the devices 
          make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain 
          patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms 
          build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take on a 
          reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm 
          splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, 
          primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review 
          of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs 
          to be established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they 
          are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant 
          weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth 
          says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate 
          Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone 
          says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's been little 
          scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It 
          is unknown how many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, 
          with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony 
          Conroy: Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah 
          grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries 
          minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
          mayor<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Audio<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Chas<BR>&gt;Bedourie 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Further to my previous reply, it is a 
CANNON, isn't it? I've never seen one...we haven't been told yet how it 
operates....</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Keith,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>I may have missed something in this thread between logons on 
  various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the 
  greenhouse effect?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
  href="mailto:aussky at iprimus.com.au">aussky at iprimus.com.au</A></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is bring 
    the anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's contribution 
    to the greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=mesof6 at iprimus.com.au 
      href="mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au">G8.106</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
      cannons</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a 
      couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I 
      thought about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they 
      worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that 
      sound waves as it was explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was 
      why would you buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to 
      what I meant he then again tried to explain the whole idea and so called 
      science behind a hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you 
      would not have to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a 
      hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it 
      does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
      Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
      H</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
        cannons</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of 
        those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of 
        the sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it is 
        effective?</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the Steiger 
        Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think 
        that was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 
        'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to 
        work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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          <A title=jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com 
          href="mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com">Jimmy Deguara</A> 
          </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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          PM</DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
          cannons</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can 
          suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go 
          off when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern parts 
          of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon might have 
          received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's 
          back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in 
          that they feel the <BR>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet 
          we have learned more about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No 
          doubt these hail cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
          attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 
          12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is 
          from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail 
          cannons - Jodie van de Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing 
          drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting 
          in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the 
          inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary 
          industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound 
          wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to interfere with the 
          storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper atmosphere, preventing 
          hail from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in 
          Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the devices 
          make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain 
          patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms 
          build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take on a 
          reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm 
          splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, 
          primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review 
          of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs 
          to be established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they 
          are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant 
          weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth 
          says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate 
          Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone 
          says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's been little 
          scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It 
          is unknown how many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, 
          with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony 
          Conroy: Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah 
          grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries 
          minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
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Hi Jane,

They shoot holes in the Ozone Layer of course!

(Couldn't resist that!)

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jane ONeill" <aussky at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:58:49 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons

> Hi Keith,
> 
> I may have missed something in this thread between logons on various
> computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the greenhouse
> effect?
> 
> A totally confused Jane
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> aussky at iprimus.com.au
> 
> Australian Sky & Weather
> http://www.australianskynweather.com
> 
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au 
> 
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> --------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Keith Barnett 
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>   Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 PM
>   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>   Great Clyve!
> 
>   I think all it will do is bring the anti-everything brigade out,
> complaining about the device's contribution to the greenhouse effect...
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: G8.106 
>     To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>     Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 PM
>     Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>     Hi Keith and all......I was asked a couple of years ago in the
> Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought about hail cannons,
> he tried to explain his theory on why they worked so well? I was rather
> puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was
> explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy
> a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he
> then again tried to explain the whole idea and so called science behind
> a hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you would not have
> to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm
> come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not
> dissipate hail.!!...regards Clyve           H
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Keith Barnett 
>       To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>       Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 PM
>       Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>       At the risk of being one of those skeptics, if there hasn't been
> much research into the effect of the sound wave, how in the name of
> goodness can it be proven that it is effective?
> 
>       It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the
> 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.
> 
>       The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' about rain and the weather
> generally, and often they seem to work...but, I suspect, for the wrong
> reason.
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: Jimmy Deguara 
>         To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>         Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:28 PM
>         Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>         Hi,
> 
>         Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that the hail
> cannon 
>         where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms came
> through. This 
>         is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that
> the hail 
>         cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19
> 1997:) So did 
>         Rune's back:)
> 
>         Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that
> they feel the 
>         radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned
> more about 
>         hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons
> attract the 
>         sceptics attention.
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Jimmy Deguara
> 
>         At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
>         >Hello Everyone
>         >
>         >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>         >
>         >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>         >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> Yesterday
>         >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> landholders from
>         >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> industries
>         >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> approaching
>         >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> in the
>         >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> cannons are
>         >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> locals say
>         >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> patterns.
>         >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> the west,
>         >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> develop
>         >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle
> as if cut
>         >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> Henry
>         >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> Burnett. Mr
>         >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> splitting,
>         >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> causing
>         >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter
> Huth says
>         >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> Applications,
>         >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> devices appear
>         >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> the sound
>         >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> are in use
>         >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> fifteen devices.
>         >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>         >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>         >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>         >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>         >
>         >Audio
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >Chas
>         >Bedourie Qld
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof6 at iprimus.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all...Yep it is a cannon a 
very large one with a huge barrel they live around the Stanthorpe area as well 
as a few other localities of QLD,&nbsp;a few can be seen from the main highway I 
think just north of Stanthorpe, I presume they use an explosive mixture, the 
main barrel is wider at the top and apparently they can produce some very nice 
looking smoke rings! as well. i am sure that Anthony C has had a better look at 
one of these contraptions and maybe he could&nbsp;shed a few more technical 
details for us.....regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au">Keith 
  Barnett</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 8:30 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Further to my previous reply, it is 
  a CANNON, isn't it? I've never seen one...we haven't been told yet how it 
  operates....</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=aussky at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:aussky at iprimus.com.au">Jane 
    ONeill</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    PM</DIV>
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    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Keith,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>I may have missed something in this thread between logons 
    on various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the 
    greenhouse effect?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><BR>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
    href="mailto:aussky at iprimus.com.au">aussky at iprimus.com.au</A></DIV>
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    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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      <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au 
      href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au">Keith Barnett</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
      title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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      </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
      cannons</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is bring 
      the anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's 
      contribution to the greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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        <A title=mesof6 at iprimus.com.au 
        href="mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au">G8.106</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
        title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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        </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
        cannons</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was asked 
        a couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I 
        thought about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they 
        worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that 
        sound waves as it was explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply 
        was why would you buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on 
        to what I meant he then again tried to explain the whole idea and so 
        called science behind a hail cannon, I went on to then explain the 
        reason you would not have to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs 
        and booms in a hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you 
        know what....it does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
        Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
        H</FONT></DIV>
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          style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
          <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au 
          href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au">Keith Barnett</A> </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
          title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
          href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
          </DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 
          PM</DIV>
          <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
          cannons</DIV>
          <DIV><BR></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one of 
          those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the effect of 
          the sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be proven that it 
          is effective?</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the 
          Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback Queensland. 
          I think that was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 
          'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to 
          work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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            href="mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com">Jimmy Deguara</A> 
            </DIV>
            <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
            title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
            href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
            </DIV>
            <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 12, 2004 
            4:28 PM</DIV>
            <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
            cannons</DIV>
            <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I can 
            suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used to go 
            off when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the northern 
            parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail <BR>cannon 
            might have received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did 
            <BR>Rune's back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the invention of this 
            machine odd in that they feel the <BR>radio waves disturbs the hail 
            formation etc yet we have learned more about <BR>hail physics in 
            more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the 
            <BR>sceptics attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy 
            Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello 
            Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour 
            Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - Jodie van de 
            Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of 
            Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah 
            attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland 
            Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt;minister 
            Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at 
            approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to interfere with the 
            storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper atmosphere, 
            preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are<BR>&gt;used by 
            orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals 
            say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural 
            rain patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches 
            storms build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds 
            take on a reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the 
            whole storm splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. 
            After the meeting, primary industries minister 
            Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the 
            Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs to be established 
            whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they are, why. If it's 
            proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, they 
            will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to 
            the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor 
            Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices 
            appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's been little scientific study 
            of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It is unknown how 
            many hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with 
            estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony 
            Conroy: Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah 
            grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries 
            minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Perhaps they should update the 
technology, instead of using explosives, play some nice classical music 
(Wellington's Victory, by Beethoven, or the 1812 Overture), replacing the barrel 
with a large version of the horn on the old HMV label....</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all...Yep it is a cannon a 
  very large one with a huge barrel they live around the Stanthorpe area as well 
  as a few other localities of QLD,&nbsp;a few can be seen from the main highway 
  I think just north of Stanthorpe, I presume they use an explosive mixture, the 
  main barrel is wider at the top and apparently they can produce some very nice 
  looking smoke rings! as well. i am sure that Anthony C has had a better look 
  at one of these contraptions and maybe he could&nbsp;shed a few more technical 
  details for us.....regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au">Keith 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Further to my previous reply, it 
    is a CANNON, isn't it? I've never seen one...we haven't been told yet how it 
    operates....</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=aussky at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:aussky at iprimus.com.au">Jane 
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      <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Keith,</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>I may have missed something in this thread between 
      logons on various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with 
      the greenhouse effect?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><BR>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
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        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is 
        bring the anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's 
        contribution to the greenhouse effect...</FONT></DIV>
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          style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
          <A title=mesof6 at iprimus.com.au 
          href="mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au">G8.106</A> </DIV>
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          PM</DIV>
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          cannons</DIV>
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          <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was 
          asked a couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' 
          what I thought about hail cannons, he tried to explain his theory on 
          why they worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the explanation, the 
          idea that sound waves as it was explained will dissipate hail....my 
          humble reply was why would you buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? 
          not catching on to what I meant he then again tried to explain the 
          whole idea and so called science behind a hail cannon, I went on to 
          then explain the reason you would not have to buy a hail 
          cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free 
          and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not dissipate 
          hail.!!...regards 
          Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
          H</FONT></DIV>
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            <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net.au 
            href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au">Keith Barnett</A> </DIV>
            <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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            5:04 PM</DIV>
            <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail 
            cannons</DIV>
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            <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being one 
            of those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the 
            effect of the sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be 
            proven that it is effective?</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the 
            Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback 
            Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot of 
            'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they seem to 
            work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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              href="mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com">Jimmy 
              Deguara</A> </DIV>
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              <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I 
              can suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live used 
              to go off when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in the 
              northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail 
              <BR>cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19 
              1997:) So did <BR>Rune's back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the 
              invention of this machine odd in that they feel the <BR>radio 
              waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more 
              about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail 
              cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
              attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 PM 
              12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This 
              is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour 
              Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - Jodie van de 
              Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of 
              Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah 
              attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland 
              Burnett, to put their concerns to primary 
              industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a 
              sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to interfere 
              with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder upper 
              atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons 
              are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop 
              damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, 
              leading to unnatural rain patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier Anthony 
              Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,<BR>&gt;then as 
              they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and 
              develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm splits down 
              the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the meeting, primary 
              industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk announced a review of 
              rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs 
              to be established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they 
              are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are 
              causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah 
              mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's spoken to the head of the DPI's 
              Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about 
              hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, 
              although there's been little scientific study of how the 
              sound<BR>&gt;wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail 
              cannons are in use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with estimates 
              ranging from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony Conroy: 
              Binjour landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah 
              grazier<BR>&gt;Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries 
              minister<BR>&gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
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That'd make the hailstones dance!

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:57:58 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons

> Perhaps they should update the technology, instead of using explosives,
> play some nice classical music (Wellington's Victory, by Beethoven, or
> the 1812 Overture), replacing the barrel with a large version of the
> horn on the old HMV label....
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Clyve Herbert 
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>   Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:48 PM
>   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>   Hi Keith and all...Yep it is a cannon a very large one with a huge
> barrel they live around the Stanthorpe area as well as a few other
> localities of QLD, a few can be seen from the main highway I think just
> north of Stanthorpe, I presume they use an explosive mixture, the main
> barrel is wider at the top and apparently they can produce some very
> nice looking smoke rings! as well. i am sure that Anthony C has had a
> better look at one of these contraptions and maybe he could shed a few
> more technical details for us.....regards Clyve H.
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Keith Barnett 
>     To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>     Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:30 PM
>     Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>     Further to my previous reply, it is a CANNON, isn't it? I've never
> seen one...we haven't been told yet how it operates....
>       ----- Original Message ----- 
>       From: Jane ONeill 
>       To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>       Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 7:58 PM
>       Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>       Hi Keith,
> 
>       I may have missed something in this thread between logons on
> various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the
> greenhouse effect?
> 
>       A totally confused Jane
> 
>       --------------------------------
>       Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>       aussky at iprimus.com.au
> 
>       Australian Sky & Weather
>       http://www.australianskynweather.com
> 
>       Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
>       http://www.severeweather.asn.au 
> 
>       ***The journey is the reward***
>       --------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: Keith Barnett 
>         To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>         Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 PM
>         Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>         Great Clyve!
> 
>         I think all it will do is bring the anti-everything brigade
> out, complaining about the device's contribution to the greenhouse
> effect...
>           ----- Original Message ----- 
>           From: G8.106 
>           To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>           Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 PM
>           Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>           Hi Keith and all......I was asked a couple of years ago in
> the Stanthorpe area by a local 'cocky' what I thought about hail
> cannons, he tried to explain his theory on why they worked so well? I
> was rather puzzled at the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it
> was explained will dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you
> buy a hail cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant
> he then again tried to explain the whole idea and so called science
> behind a hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you would
> not have to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a
> hail storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know
> what....it does not dissipate hail.!!...regards Clyve           H
>             ----- Original Message ----- 
>             From: Keith Barnett 
>             To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>             Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 PM
>             Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>             At the risk of being one of those skeptics, if there hasn't
> been much research into the effect of the sound wave, how in the name
> of goodness can it be proven that it is effective?
> 
>             It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think)
> the 1930s in outback Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.
> 
>             The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' about rain and the
> weather generally, and often they seem to work...but, I suspect, for
> the wrong reason.
>               ----- Original Message ----- 
>               From: Jimmy Deguara 
>               To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>               Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:28 PM
>               Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>               Hi,
> 
>               Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that
> the hail cannon 
>               where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms
> came through. This 
>               is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon
> that the hail 
>               cannon might have received a few hail dents on December
> 19 1997:) So did 
>               Rune's back:)
> 
>               Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in
> that they feel the 
>               radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have
> learned more about 
>               hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail
> cannons attract the 
>               sceptics attention.
> 
>               Regards,
> 
>               Jimmy Deguara
> 
>               At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
>               >Hello Everyone
>               >
>               >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>               >
>               >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>               >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of
> Queensland? Yesterday
>               >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> landholders from
>               >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to
> primary industries
>               >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound
> wave at approaching
>               >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's
> development in the
>               >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming.
> Hail cannons are
>               >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop
> damage, but locals say
>               >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural
> rain patterns.
>               >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms
> build in the west,
>               >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish
> tinge and develop
>               >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the
> middle as if cut
>               >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries
> minister Henry
>               >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> Burnett. Mr
>               >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether
> storms are splitting,
>               >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons
> are causing
>               >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor
> Peter Huth says
>               >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> Applications,
>               >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says
> the devices appear
>               >to work, although there's been little scientific study
> of how the sound
>               >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail
> cannons are in use
>               >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> fifteen devices.
>               >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>               >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>               >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>               >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>               >
>               >Audio
>               >
>               >
>               >
>               >
>               >Chas
>               >Bedourie Qld
>               >
>               >
>               >
>               >
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith The first time I played the 1812 
the cannon explosion tripped my DB limiter setting shutting down my stereo amp 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Perhaps they should update the 
  technology, instead of using explosives, play some nice classical music 
  (Wellington's Victory, by Beethoven, or the 1812 Overture), replacing the 
  barrel with a large version of the horn on the old HMV label....</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all...Yep it is a cannon 
    a very large one with a huge barrel they live around the Stanthorpe area as 
    well as a few other localities of QLD,&nbsp;a few can be seen from the main 
    highway I think just north of Stanthorpe, I presume they use an explosive 
    mixture, the main barrel is wider at the top and apparently they can produce 
    some very nice looking smoke rings! as well. i am sure that Anthony C has 
    had a better look at one of these contraptions and maybe he could&nbsp;shed 
    a few more technical details for us.....regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Further to my previous reply, 
      it is a CANNON, isn't it? I've never seen one...we haven't been told yet 
      how it operates....</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Keith,</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT size=2>I may have missed something in this thread between 
        logons on various computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do 
        with the greenhouse effect?</FONT></DIV>
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        <DIV><FONT size=2>A totally confused Jane</FONT></DIV>
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          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Great Clyve!</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I think all it will do is 
          bring the anti-everything brigade out, complaining about the device's 
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            <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Hi Keith and all......I was 
            asked a couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe area by a local 
            'cocky' what I thought about hail cannons, he tried to explain his 
            theory on why they worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the 
            explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was explained will 
            dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a hail 
            cannon to do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he then 
            again tried to explain the whole idea and so called science behind a 
            hail cannon, I went on to then explain the reason you would not have 
            to buy a hail cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail 
            storm come for free and that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it 
            does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
            Clyve&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
            H</FONT></DIV>
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              <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At the risk of being 
              one of those skeptics, if there hasn't been much research into the 
              effect of the sound wave, how in the name of goodness can it be 
              proven that it is effective?</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It reminds me of the 
              Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in outback 
              Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The farmers have a lot 
              of 'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, and often they 
              seem to work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.</FONT></DIV>
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                <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,<BR><BR>Can't comment about the drought but I 
                can suggest that the hail cannon <BR>where Rune used to live 
                used to go off when a hailstorms came through. This <BR>is in 
                the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the 
                hail <BR>cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 
                19 1997:) So did <BR>Rune's back:)<BR><BR>Seriously, I find the 
                invention of this machine odd in that they feel the <BR>radio 
                waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more 
                about <BR>hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail 
                cannons attract the <BR>sceptics 
                attention.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 04:11 
                PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:<BR>&gt;Hello 
                Everyone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;This is from the ABC Queensland Country 
                Hour Program.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Hail cannons - Jodie van de 
                Wetering<BR>&gt;Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of 
                Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah 
                attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt;across the inland 
                Burnett, to put their concerns to primary 
                industries<BR>&gt;minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a 
                sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt;storms. This is said to 
                interfere with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt;colder 
                upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons 
                are<BR>&gt;used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop 
                damage, but locals say<BR>&gt;the devices make storms break up, 
                leading to unnatural rain patterns.<BR>&gt;Binjour grazier 
                Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the 
                west,<BR>&gt;then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish 
                tinge and develop<BR>&gt;circular holes before the whole storm 
                splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt;by a knife. After the 
                meeting, primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk 
                announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. 
                Mr<BR>&gt;Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether 
                storms are splitting,<BR>&gt;and if they are, why. If it's 
                proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt;aberrant weather, 
                they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt;he's 
                spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate 
                Applications,<BR>&gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr 
                Stone says the devices appear<BR>&gt;to work, although there's 
                been little scientific study of how the sound<BR>&gt;wave 
                affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in 
                use<BR>&gt;around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four 
                to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt;Anthony Conroy: Binjour 
                landholder<BR>&gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt;Henry 
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Hi Jane

Should be about 3 of us coming from Monash on the 20th. I havent heard from 
any more.

Les

At 07:58 PM 12/03/2004 +1100, you wrote:

>Hi Keith,
>
>I may have missed something in this thread between logons on various 
>computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the greenhouse effect?
>
>A totally confused Jane
>
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>Keith Barnett
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
>Great Clyve!
>
>I think all it will do is bring the anti-everything brigade out, 
>complaining about the device's contribution to the greenhouse effect...
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au>G8.106
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe 
>area by a local 'cocky' what I thought about hail cannons, he tried to 
>explain his theory on why they worked so well? I was rather puzzled at the 
>explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was explained will dissipate 
>hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a hail cannon to do such a 
>thing? not catching on to what I meant he then again tried to explain the 
>whole idea and so called science behind a hail cannon, I went on to then 
>explain the reason you would not have to buy a hail cannon......the 
>loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free and that is 
>thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not dissipate hail.!!...regards 
>Clyve           H
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>Keith Barnett
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
>At the risk of being one of those skeptics, if there hasn't been much 
>research into the effect of the sound wave, how in the name of goodness 
>can it be proven that it is effective?
>
>It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in 
>outback Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.
>
>The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, 
>and often they seem to work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>Jimmy Deguara
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
>Hi,
>
>Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that the hail cannon
>where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms came through. This
>is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail
>cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did
>Rune's back:)
>
>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that they feel the
>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more about
>hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the
>sceptics attention.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello Everyone
> >
> >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> >
> >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
> >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
> >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
> >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
> >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
> >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
> >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
> >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
> >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
> >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
> >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
> >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
> >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
> >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
> >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
> >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
> >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
> >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
> >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
> >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
> >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
> >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> >
> >Audio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Chas
> >Bedourie Qld
> >
> >
> >
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>-------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>
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>
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Whoops I should pay more attention

Les

At 08:41 PM 12/03/2004 +1000, you wrote:


>Hi Jane
>
>Should be about 3 of us coming from Monash on the 20th. I havent heard 
>from any more.
>
>Les
>
>At 07:58 PM 12/03/2004 +1100, you wrote:
>
>>Hi Keith,
>>
>>I may have missed something in this thread between logons on various 
>>computers.......what could a hail cannon have to do with the greenhouse effect?
>>
>>A totally confused Jane
>>
>>--------------------------------
>>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>><mailto:aussky at iprimus.com.au>aussky at iprimus.com.au
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>Keith Barnett
>>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:45 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>>
>>Great Clyve!
>>
>>I think all it will do is bring the anti-everything brigade out, 
>>complaining about the device's contribution to the greenhouse effect...
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:mesof6 at iprimus.com.au>G8.106
>>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:30 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>>
>>Hi Keith and all......I was asked a couple of years ago in the Stanthorpe 
>>area by a local 'cocky' what I thought about hail cannons, he tried to 
>>explain his theory on why they worked so well? I was rather puzzled at 
>>the explanation, the idea that sound waves as it was explained will 
>>dissipate hail....my humble reply was why would you buy a hail cannon to 
>>do such a thing? not catching on to what I meant he then again tried to 
>>explain the whole idea and so called science behind a hail cannon, I went 
>>on to then explain the reason you would not have to buy a hail 
>>cannon......the loudest bangs and booms in a hail storm come for free and 
>>that is thunder!!!! and you know what....it does not dissipate 
>>hail.!!...regards Clyve           H
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>Keith Barnett
>>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:04 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>>
>>At the risk of being one of those skeptics, if there hasn't been much 
>>research into the effect of the sound wave, how in the name of goodness 
>>can it be proven that it is effective?
>>
>>It reminds me of the Steiger Vortex Gun used in (I think) the 1930s in 
>>outback Queensland. I think that was to create rainfall.
>>
>>The farmers have a lot of 'ideas' about rain and the weather generally, 
>>and often they seem to work...but, I suspect, for the wrong reason.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>Jimmy Deguara
>>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:28 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>Can't comment about the drought but I can suggest that the hail cannon
>>where Rune used to live used to go off when a hailstorms came through. This
>>is in the northern parts of Sydney near Glenorie I reckon that the hail
>>cannon might have received a few hail dents on December 19 1997:) So did
>>Rune's back:)
>>
>>Seriously, I find the invention of this machine odd in that they feel the
>>radio waves disturbs the hail formation etc yet we have learned more about
>>hail physics in more recent years. No doubt these hail cannons attract the
>>sceptics attention.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Jimmy Deguara
>>
>>At 04:11 PM 12/03/2004, you wrote:
>> >Hello Everyone
>> >
>> >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>> >
>> >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>> >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
>> >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
>> >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
>> >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
>> >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
>> >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
>> >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
>> >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
>> >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
>> >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
>> >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
>> >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
>> >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
>> >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
>> >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
>> >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
>> >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
>> >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
>> >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
>> >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
>> >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
>> >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>> >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>> >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>> >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>> >
>> >Audio
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Chas
>> >Bedourie Qld
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>-------------------------------------
>>Jimmy Deguara
>>
>>Sydney, Australia
>>
>>Ph: 0408 020468
>>
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>Perhaps they should update the technology, instead of using explosives, 
>play some nice classical music (Wellington's Victory, by Beethoven, or the 
>1812 Overture), replacing the barrel with a large version of the horn on 
>the old HMV label....

Well, a CD version of the 1812 Overture driving a big amp and a subwoofer 
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Judy,
The .dbx files like to open temporary files in the same folder while you 
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He must copy the .dbx files back onto the hard disk in a different 
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Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting - March 20th


Greetings ASWA members and friends,

The next Victorian ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday March 20 at the
Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster beginning at ~8.30-9 am with
breakfast and bragging (bring your photos and well as your appetite).

Members Presentation will run from ~9.45am.

These will include:-

- Discussion and review of some aspects of 2003-2004 summer weather
including a video presentation by David Simpson, with analysis by Clyve
Herbert.  David will also present some of his media interviews during
the past few months.

- An example of a strong lee wave cloud development - Victorian central
ranges - Clyve Herbert
From time to time in strong southerly winds, an area north of Mt Macedon
exhibits spectacular lee wave and rotor activity. Includes video and
synoptic analysis.

- Katamatite - a remarkable storm over the plains of northeastern
Victoria. This controversial anticyclonically rotating supercell
certainly stirred up the emotions of Australian stormchasers!! and
appears to have pushed the limits of accepted thunderstorm dynamics and
theory (a left moving anticyclonically rotating supercell?).  Clyve
Herbert / Andrew McDonald / Jane ONeill will present a preliminary
discussion including spectacular video & analysis

If you have a video you would like to show at this meeting, please have
it cued and ready to roll (10 minutes max). If you have a topic for
discussion please drop an email to aswa_victoria at iprimus.com.au and we
will endeavour to schedule your presentation.

Also at the meeting will be:-
- 2005 ASWA calendar entry reminder
- 2004 ASWA Conference details
- ASWA 2004 calendars, caps, shirts & car stickers will be available

We look forward to a very busy morning of nothing but weather!!

Regards your state reps,
Clyve Herbert & Andrew McDonald


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Subject: aus-wx: WDU WEATHER EXPO 2004 


The WDU WEATHER EXPO 2004 Will be held this year at Windsor NSW. We already
have people coming from Victoria and Queensland as well as NSW.

The schedule below outlines the days topics. We have held one slot open to a
Weatherzone member who would like to talk on their favourite topic related
to the schedule below for 30 minutes. Please submit a bio on yourself with a
brief on your topic and whether you require video, dvd or computer if part
of your talk includes pictures or movies to
pmorrissey at weatherdownunder.net.au


WDU Weather Expo 2004
Saturday 17th April 2004
12.00pm - 5.00pm
245 George Street Windsor NSW

Schedule of events for the 2004 WDU Weather Expo

# Storm Chasing
# Weather Equipment (how to get the most out of it)
# Weather Observation


# Storm Chasing
. Preparation and plotting the storm
. Safety
. Finding and following the storm
. Equipment


# Weather Equipment (how to get the most out of it)
. Choosing a weather station
. Mobile weather stations
. Software -Choosing the right software
. Setting up your weather station


# Weather Observation
. El Nino
. Hail
. Lightning
. Tornadoes (US and Australia)


Our guest list of speakers includes Australia's own Jimmy (HAIL) Deguara and
David (MESO) Croan. These two gentlemen have traveled to America on many
occasions chasing storms as well as Australia. We will have guest speakers
who specialise in Hail and Lightning, bringing decades of experience to the
Expo.

Few know Jimmy is a university graduate with a double major in mathematics
and physics. This experience Jimmy gained when he was younger has allowed
him to develop systems to forecast and predict storm activity making Jimmy
one of Australia's leading storm chaser.

David has a PhD degree in science and is heading towards 10 years experience
chasing severe weather. David and Jimmy form Australia's number 1 storm
chasing team.

With many more speakers for the day with many years experience we look
forward to an excellent day for all.

Brett Vilnis will head the speakers on Weather Equipment, this will be a
great talk even if you haven't purchased a weather station yet.

Brett and Chris will be talking about weather and farming. An aspect of
Australia not lost on the weather EXPO. Farming whether we talk about
cattle, cotton, grapes, wheat etc etc are all affected by the Australian
conditions on a daily basis. Brett and Chris will touch on getting the most
out of your conditions for your crops.

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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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Sounds like a great meeting to attend! wish i could!!! someone film it
 please ;-) , id like to see the Katamatite discussion myself!!! perhaps the
AGM would be worthy of such a presentation?

*wishfully thinking*
Simon
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> Greetings ASWA members and friends,
>
> The next Victorian ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday March 20 at the
> Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster beginning at ~8.30-9 am with
> breakfast and bragging (bring your photos and well as your appetite).
>
> Members Presentation will run from ~9.45am.
>
> These will include:-
>
> - Discussion and review of some aspects of 2003-2004 summer weather
> including a video presentation by David Simpson, with analysis by Clyve
> Herbert.  David will also present some of his media interviews during
> the past few months.
>
> - An example of a strong lee wave cloud development - Victorian central
> ranges - Clyve Herbert
> >From time to time in strong southerly winds, an area north of Mt Macedon
> exhibits spectacular lee wave and rotor activity. Includes video and
> synoptic analysis.
>
> - Katamatite - a remarkable storm over the plains of northeastern
> Victoria. This controversial anticyclonically rotating supercell
> certainly stirred up the emotions of Australian stormchasers!! and
> appears to have pushed the limits of accepted thunderstorm dynamics and
> theory (a left moving anticyclonically rotating supercell?).  Clyve
> Herbert / Andrew McDonald / Jane ONeill will present a preliminary
> discussion including spectacular video & analysis
>
> If you have a video you would like to show at this meeting, please have
> it cued and ready to roll (10 minutes max). If you have a topic for
> discussion please drop an email to aswa_victoria at iprimus.com.au and we
> will endeavour to schedule your presentation.
>
> Also at the meeting will be:-
> - 2005 ASWA calendar entry reminder
> - 2004 ASWA Conference details
> - ASWA 2004 calendars, caps, shirts & car stickers will be available
>
> We look forward to a very busy morning of nothing but weather!!
>
> Regards your state reps,
> Clyve Herbert & Andrew McDonald
>
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Sounds like a great meeting to attend! wish i could!!! someone film it
 please ;-) , id like to see the Katamatite discussion myself!!! perhaps the
AGM would be worthy of such a presentation?

*wishfully thinking*
Simon
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> Greetings ASWA members and friends,
>
> The next Victorian ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday March 20 at the
> Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster beginning at ~8.30-9 am with
> breakfast and bragging (bring your photos and well as your appetite).
>
> Members Presentation will run from ~9.45am.
>
> These will include:-
>
> - Discussion and review of some aspects of 2003-2004 summer weather
> including a video presentation by David Simpson, with analysis by Clyve
> Herbert.  David will also present some of his media interviews during
> the past few months.
>
> - An example of a strong lee wave cloud development - Victorian central
> ranges - Clyve Herbert
> >From time to time in strong southerly winds, an area north of Mt Macedon
> exhibits spectacular lee wave and rotor activity. Includes video and
> synoptic analysis.
>
> - Katamatite - a remarkable storm over the plains of northeastern
> Victoria. This controversial anticyclonically rotating supercell
> certainly stirred up the emotions of Australian stormchasers!! and
> appears to have pushed the limits of accepted thunderstorm dynamics and
> theory (a left moving anticyclonically rotating supercell?).  Clyve
> Herbert / Andrew McDonald / Jane ONeill will present a preliminary
> discussion including spectacular video & analysis
>
> If you have a video you would like to show at this meeting, please have
> it cued and ready to roll (10 minutes max). If you have a topic for
> discussion please drop an email to aswa_victoria at iprimus.com.au and we
> will endeavour to schedule your presentation.
>
> Also at the meeting will be:-
> - 2005 ASWA calendar entry reminder
> - 2004 ASWA Conference details
> - ASWA 2004 calendars, caps, shirts & car stickers will be available
>
> We look forward to a very busy morning of nothing but weather!!
>
> Regards your state reps,
> Clyve Herbert & Andrew McDonald
>
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Hi Chas
I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a few years 
early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing areas and 
later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later other fruit 
growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina area 
where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used by 
Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central Queensland to 
break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware they have 
not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
Gavin O'Brien,
Southside Weather Watch
Canberra
Hi Simon ,
Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
Gavin


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>Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
>
>Hello Everyone
>
>This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>
>Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
>afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
>across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
>minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
>storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
>colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
>used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
>the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
>Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
>then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
>circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
>by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
>Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
>Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
>and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
>aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
>he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
>Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
>to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
>wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
>around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
>Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>
>Audio
>
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>
>
>Chas
>Bedourie Qld
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Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is an old
B&W image in this site
http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html

Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* to detect
approaching hail...

"It automatically activates when its own weather radar system detects
conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every 5.5 seconds,
making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from the Nissan
plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the cloud every
five-and-a-half seconds."
http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&

Regs, Paul.
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> Hi Chas
> I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a few years
> early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing areas and
> later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later other
fruit
> growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina area
> where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used by
> Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central Queensland to
> break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware they
have
> not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> Gavin O'Brien,
> Southside Weather Watch
> Canberra
> Hi Simon ,
> Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
> Gavin
>
>
> >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> >
> >Hello Everyone
> >
> >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> >
> >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland? Yesterday
> >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders from
> >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary industries
> >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching
> >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the
> >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons are
> >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but locals say
> >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain patterns.
> >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the west,
> >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and develop
> >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if cut
> >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
> >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
> >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are splitting,
> >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
> >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says
> >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,
> >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices appear
> >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the sound
> >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are in use
> >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen devices.
> >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> >
> >Audio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Chas
> >Bedourie Qld
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That one looks surprisingly similar 
to this:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm">http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I 
referred in an earlier post.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Someone previously in this thread 
referred&nbsp;to Clement Wragge's involvement and here it is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><A 
href="http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp">http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It seems they both operated on the 
same principle, except that poor Mr Wragge's cannon blew up!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am utterly astonished that someone 
of the Primary Industry Minister's&nbsp;undoubted intelligence could fall for 
the blandishments of this contraption.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences 
aren't allowed these days, rid the earth of them!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <A title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au 
  href="mailto:stargazer at picknowl.com.au">Stargazer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
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PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?<BR>I've done 
  a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is an old<BR>B&amp;W 
  image in this site<BR><A 
  href="http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html">http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html</A><BR><BR>Apparently 
  the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* to 
  detect<BR>approaching hail...<BR><BR>"It automatically activates when its own 
  weather radar system detects<BR>conditions favorable for the formation of 
  hail. It fires every 5.5 seconds,<BR>making a sound we know can be heard at 
  least five miles away from the Nissan<BR>plant near Canton. It then starts 
  sending sound waves into the cloud every<BR>five-and-a-half seconds."<BR><A 
  href="http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848">http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848</A>&amp;<BR><BR>Regs, 
  Paul.<BR>(Stargazer)<BR><A 
  href="http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer">http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer</A><BR><BR><BR>----- 
  Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Gavin O'Brien" &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:mrcenterprises at hotmail.com">mrcenterprises at hotmail.com</A>&gt;<BR>To: 
  &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: 
  Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM<BR>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail 
  cannons<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Hi Chas<BR>&gt; I understand that hail cannons were 
  used in Germany for quite a few years<BR>&gt; early last century to disapate 
  hail storms over fruit growing areas and<BR>&gt; later were imported to 
  Australia for use in Tasmainia and later other<BR>fruit<BR>&gt; growing areas 
  but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina area<BR>&gt; where I come 
  from.I also understand that a similar device was used by<BR>&gt; Clement 
  Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central Queensland to<BR>&gt; 
  break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware 
  they<BR>have<BR>&gt; not been shown to do much other than make a lot of 
  noise.<BR>&gt; Gavin O'Brien,<BR>&gt; Southside Weather Watch<BR>&gt; 
  Canberra<BR>&gt; Hi Simon ,<BR>&gt; Did you see my Letter to the Editor in 
  todays C.T.? (14th March)<BR>&gt; Gavin<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;From: 
  "Chas Osborn" &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:chasosborn at bigpond.com">chasosborn at bigpond.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;Reply-To: <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; 
  &gt;To: &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons<BR>&gt; &gt;Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 
  +1000<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Hello Everyone<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;This is 
  from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Hail 
  cannons - Jodie van de Wetering<BR>&gt; &gt;Are hail cannons causing drought 
  over parts of Queensland? Yesterday<BR>&gt; &gt;afternoon a meeting in Gayndah 
  attracted over seventy landholders from<BR>&gt; &gt;across the inland Burnett, 
  to put their concerns to primary industries<BR>&gt; &gt;minister Henry 
  Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at approaching<BR>&gt; &gt;storms. 
  This is said to interfere with the storm's development in the<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail cannons 
  are<BR>&gt; &gt;used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but 
  locals say<BR>&gt; &gt;the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural 
  rain patterns.<BR>&gt; &gt;Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches 
  storms build in the west,<BR>&gt; &gt;then as they approach, the clouds take 
  on a reddish tinge and develop<BR>&gt; &gt;circular holes before the whole 
  storm splits down the middle as if cut<BR>&gt; &gt;by a knife. After the 
  meeting, primary industries minister Henry<BR>&gt; &gt;Palaszczuk announced a 
  review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr<BR>&gt; &gt;Palaszczuk says it 
  needs to be established whether storms are splitting,<BR>&gt; &gt;and if they 
  are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing<BR>&gt; &gt;aberrant 
  weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth says<BR>&gt; &gt;he's 
  spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate Applications,<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices 
  appear<BR>&gt; &gt;to work, although there's been little scientific study of 
  how the sound<BR>&gt; &gt;wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many 
  hail cannons are in use<BR>&gt; &gt;around the Burnett, with estimates ranging 
  from four to fifteen devices.<BR>&gt; &gt;Anthony Conroy: Binjour 
  landholder<BR>&gt; &gt;Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier<BR>&gt; &gt;Henry 
  Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister<BR>&gt; &gt;Peter Huth: Gayndah 
  mayor<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Audio<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
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When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to 
increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few 
years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed 
much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was 
that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down by 
these enormous cannons?

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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons

> That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> 
> http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> 
> the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> 
> Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> involvement and here it is:
> 
> http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> 
> It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor Mr
> Wragge's cannon blew up!
> 
> I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry Minister's
> undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> contraption.
> 
> Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid the
> earth of them!
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Stargazer 
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
>   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
>   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is
> an old
>   B&W image in this site
>   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> 
>   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* to
> detect
>   approaching hail...
> 
>   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system detects
>   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every 5.5
> seconds,
>   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from the
> Nissan
>   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the cloud
> every
>   five-and-a-half seconds."
>   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> 
>   Regs, Paul.
>   (Stargazer)
>   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
>   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
>   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
>   > Hi Chas
>   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a few
> years
>   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing areas
> and
>   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> other
>   fruit
>   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina
> area
>   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used
> by
>   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> Queensland to
>   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware
> they
>   have
>   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
>   > Gavin O'Brien,
>   > Southside Weather Watch
>   > Canberra
>   > Hi Simon ,
>   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
>   > Gavin
>   >
>   >
>   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
>   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
>   > >
>   > >Hello Everyone
>   > >
>   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
>   > >
>   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
>   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> Yesterday
>   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders
> from
>   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> industries
>   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> approaching
>   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in
> the
>   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> cannons are
>   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> locals say
>   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> patterns.
>   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the
> west,
>   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> develop
>   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if
> cut
>   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
>   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
>   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> splitting,
>   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
>   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth
> says
>   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> Applications,
>   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices
> appear
>   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the
> sound
>   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are
> in use
>   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen
> devices.
>   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
>   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
>   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
>   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
>   > >
>   > >Audio
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >Chas
>   > >Bedourie Qld
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
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Hi Phil.
Funny you should mention Silver iodide. The NSW government has approveed the
use of siliver iodide to seed clouds over the Snowy mts, to increase
snowfall.....waste of money IMO...


Simon
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> When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down by
> these enormous cannons?
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> Phil Smith
> IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> International Christian School, Hong Kong
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
> > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> >
> > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> >
> > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> >
> > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > involvement and here it is:
> >
> > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> >
> > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor Mr
> > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> >
> > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry Minister's
> > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > contraption.
> >
> > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid the
> > earth of them!
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Stargazer
> >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> >
> >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is
> > an old
> >   B&W image in this site
> >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> >
> >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* to
> > detect
> >   approaching hail...
> >
> >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system detects
> >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every 5.5
> > seconds,
> >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from the
> > Nissan
> >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the cloud
> > every
> >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> >
> >   Regs, Paul.
> >   (Stargazer)
> >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> >
> >   > Hi Chas
> >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a few
> > years
> >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing areas
> > and
> >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > other
> >   fruit
> >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina
> > area
> >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used
> > by
> >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > Queensland to
> >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware
> > they
> >   have
> >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> >   > Southside Weather Watch
> >   > Canberra
> >   > Hi Simon ,
> >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
> >   > Gavin
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> >   > >
> >   > >Hello Everyone
> >   > >
> >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> >   > >
> >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > Yesterday
> >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders
> > from
> >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > industries
> >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > approaching
> >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in
> > the
> >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > cannons are
> >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > locals say
> >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > patterns.
> >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the
> > west,
> >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > develop
> >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if
> > cut
> >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
> >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
> >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > splitting,
> >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
> >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth
> > says
> >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > Applications,
> >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices
> > appear
> >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the
> > sound
> >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are
> > in use
> >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen
> > devices.
> >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> >   > >
> >   > >Audio
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >Chas
> >   > >Bedourie Qld
> >   > >
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Phil,
I thought of the Cloud Seeding yesterday in this discusion.You might be 
interested to know that they are thinking of cloud seeding this winter over 
the Snowy Mountains .If it works then places downwind of the mountains  ie 
Cooma, Dalgety etc will receive even less rainfall then they do now (due to 
the rain shadow effect ).Might set the stage for some Lawyers to make a few 
bucks!
Gavin.

>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:39:43 +0800
>
>When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
>increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
>years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
>much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
>that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down by
>these enormous cannons?
>
>Phil
><><
>
>Phil Smith
>IT Teacher - Elementary campus
>International Christian School, Hong Kong
>International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
>International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
> > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> >
> > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> >
> > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> >
> > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > involvement and here it is:
> >
> > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> >
> > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor Mr
> > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> >
> > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry Minister's
> > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > contraption.
> >
> > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid the
> > earth of them!
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Stargazer
> >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> >
> >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is
> > an old
> >   B&W image in this site
> >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> >
> >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* to
> > detect
> >   approaching hail...
> >
> >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system detects
> >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every 5.5
> > seconds,
> >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from the
> > Nissan
> >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the cloud
> > every
> >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> >
> >   Regs, Paul.
> >   (Stargazer)
> >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> >
> >   > Hi Chas
> >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a few
> > years
> >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing areas
> > and
> >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > other
> >   fruit
> >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina
> > area
> >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used
> > by
> >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > Queensland to
> >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware
> > they
> >   have
> >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> >   > Southside Weather Watch
> >   > Canberra
> >   > Hi Simon ,
> >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
> >   > Gavin
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> >   > >
> >   > >Hello Everyone
> >   > >
> >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> >   > >
> >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > Yesterday
> >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders
> > from
> >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > industries
> >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > approaching
> >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in
> > the
> >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > cannons are
> >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > locals say
> >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > patterns.
> >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in the
> > west,
> >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > develop
> >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as if
> > cut
> >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
> >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. Mr
> >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > splitting,
> >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are causing
> >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth
> > says
> >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > Applications,
> >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices
> > appear
> >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the
> > sound
> >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are
> > in use
> >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen
> > devices.
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> >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
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If my memory is correct, the CSIRO claimed great huge successes in the 
papers of the day (it would have been the first half of the 50s, I 
think) but then subsequently there were all sorts of arguments that it 
was all BS.  Scientists argued with other scientists and the debate went 
back and forth endlessly and the seeding experiments eventually 
stopped.  I remember seeing a Movietone News in the fifties in which it 
was claimed that problems of drought in Australia were ended forever and 
the vast deserts were going to be made to bloom and the Great Sandy 
Desert would grow enough crops to feed the starving millions of the 
world and so on.  Silver Iodide was going to make Australia the richest 
nation on earth.
So I don't know what happened to it all, ... maybe the RAAF got sick of 
these crazy scientists chucking stuff out of their Dakotas.
I can remember thinking as a kid, "How do they know that the cloud they 
seeded wouldn't have produced the same amount of rain whether it had 
been seeded or not?"  I have never heard that question adequately 
answered.
So I shall be very interested in the effect of cloud seeding over the 
Snowies.  But I shall be even more interested in whether anyone is then 
able to prove that it wouldn't have snowed that much without the seeding 
anyway.
It seems to me that there will always be a doubt about whether these 
things really work.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:51:33 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons

> Hi Phil.
> Funny you should mention Silver iodide. The NSW government has
> approveed the
> use of siliver iodide to seed clouds over the Snowy mts, to increase
> snowfall.....waste of money IMO...
> 
> 
> Simon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> 
> 
> > When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> > increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> > years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> > much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> > that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down
> by
> > these enormous cannons?
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > Phil Smith
> > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> > > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> > >
> > > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> > >
> > > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> > >
> > > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > > involvement and here it is:
> > >
> > > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> > >
> > > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor
> Mr
> > > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> > >
> > > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry
> Minister's
> > > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > > contraption.
> > >
> > > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid
> the
> > > earth of them!
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Stargazer
> > >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> > >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine
> is
> > > an old
> > >   B&W image in this site
> > >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> > >
> > >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather
> radar* to
> > > detect
> > >   approaching hail...
> > >
> > >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system
> detects
> > >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every
> 5.5
> > > seconds,
> > >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from
> the
> > > Nissan
> > >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the
> cloud
> > > every
> > >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> > >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> > >
> > >   Regs, Paul.
> > >   (Stargazer)
> > >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> > >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> > >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   > Hi Chas
> > >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a
> few
> > > years
> > >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing
> areas
> > > and
> > >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > > other
> > >   fruit
> > >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the
> Riverina
> > > area
> > >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was
> used
> > > by
> > >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > > Queensland to
> > >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am
> aware
> > > they
> > >   have
> > >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> > >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> > >   > Southside Weather Watch
> > >   > Canberra
> > >   > Hi Simon ,
> > >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th
> March)
> > >   > Gavin
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> > >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hello Everyone
> > >   > >
> > >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> > >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > > Yesterday
> > >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> landholders
> > > from
> > >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > > industries
> > >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > > approaching
> > >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> in
> > > the
> > >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > > cannons are
> > >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > > locals say
> > >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > > patterns.
> > >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> the
> > > west,
> > >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > > develop
> > >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle
> as if
> > > cut
> > >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> Henry
> > >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> Burnett. Mr
> > >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > > splitting,
> > >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> causing
> > >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter
> Huth
> > > says
> > >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > > Applications,
> > >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> devices
> > > appear
> > >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> the
> > > sound
> > >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> are
> > > in use
> > >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> fifteen
> > > devices.
> > >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> > >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> > >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> > >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Audio
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> > >   > >
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> > >   > >Chas
> > >   > >Bedourie Qld
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I bet the lawyers won't be able to prove one way or the other whether 
the seeding really affected the precipitation one way or the other.  
Come on, get real!  Why do we all love the weather so much?  Mainly 
because it is by nature so unpredictable!

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:54:34 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons

> Phil,
> I thought of the Cloud Seeding yesterday in this discusion.You might be
> interested to know that they are thinking of cloud seeding this winter
> over 
> the Snowy Mountains .If it works then places downwind of the mountains 
> ie 
> Cooma, Dalgety etc will receive even less rainfall then they do now
> (due to 
> the rain shadow effect ).Might set the stage for some Lawyers to make a
> few 
> bucks!
> Gavin.
> 
> >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:39:43 +0800
> >
> >When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> >increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> >years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> >much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> >that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down
> by
> >these enormous cannons?
> >
> >Phil
> ><><
> >
> >Phil Smith
> >IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> >International Christian School, Hong Kong
> >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> >International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> >International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> >Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> >MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> >Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> > > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> > >
> > > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> > >
> > > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> > >
> > > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > > involvement and here it is:
> > >
> > > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> > >
> > > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor
> Mr
> > > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> > >
> > > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry
> Minister's
> > > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > > contraption.
> > >
> > > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid
> the
> > > earth of them!
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Stargazer
> > >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> > >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine
> is
> > > an old
> > >   B&W image in this site
> > >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> > >
> > >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather
> radar* to
> > > detect
> > >   approaching hail...
> > >
> > >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system
> detects
> > >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every
> 5.5
> > > seconds,
> > >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from
> the
> > > Nissan
> > >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the
> cloud
> > > every
> > >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> > >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> > >
> > >   Regs, Paul.
> > >   (Stargazer)
> > >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> > >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> > >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   > Hi Chas
> > >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a
> few
> > > years
> > >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing
> areas
> > > and
> > >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > > other
> > >   fruit
> > >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the
> Riverina
> > > area
> > >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was
> used
> > > by
> > >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > > Queensland to
> > >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am
> aware
> > > they
> > >   have
> > >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> > >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> > >   > Southside Weather Watch
> > >   > Canberra
> > >   > Hi Simon ,
> > >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th
> March)
> > >   > Gavin
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> > >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hello Everyone
> > >   > >
> > >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> > >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > > Yesterday
> > >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> landholders
> > > from
> > >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > > industries
> > >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > > approaching
> > >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> in
> > > the
> > >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > > cannons are
> > >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > > locals say
> > >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > > patterns.
> > >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> the
> > > west,
> > >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > > develop
> > >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle
> as if
> > > cut
> > >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> Henry
> > >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> Burnett. Mr
> > >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > > splitting,
> > >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> causing
> > >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter
> Huth
> > > says
> > >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > > Applications,
> > >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> devices
> > > appear
> > >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> the
> > > sound
> > >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> are
> > > in use
> > >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> fifteen
> > > devices.
> > >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> > >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> > >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> > >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Audio
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Chas
> > >   > >Bedourie Qld
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
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<x-flowed>
Phil,
That's true but dont we Aussies have a reputation for betting on a fly 
crawling up a wall?(My brother is a lawyer!!!)I agree with your second point 
too..
Gavin


>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:17:28 +0800
>
>I bet the lawyers won't be able to prove one way or the other whether
>the seeding really affected the precipitation one way or the other.
>Come on, get real!  Why do we all love the weather so much?  Mainly
>because it is by nature so unpredictable!
>
>Phil
><><
>
>Phil Smith
>IT Teacher - Elementary campus
>International Christian School, Hong Kong
>International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
>International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
>International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
>Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
>MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
>Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
>Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
>Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:54:34 +1100
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
> > Phil,
> > I thought of the Cloud Seeding yesterday in this discusion.You might be
> > interested to know that they are thinking of cloud seeding this winter
> > over
> > the Snowy Mountains .If it works then places downwind of the mountains
> > ie
> > Cooma, Dalgety etc will receive even less rainfall then they do now
> > (due to
> > the rain shadow effect ).Might set the stage for some Lawyers to make a
> > few
> > bucks!
> > Gavin.
> >
> > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:39:43 +0800
> > >
> > >When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> > >increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> > >years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> > >much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> > >that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down
> > by
> > >these enormous cannons?
> > >
> > >Phil
> > ><><
> > >
> > >Phil Smith
> > >IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > >International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > >International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> > >International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> > >Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > >MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > >Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > > > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> > > >
> > > > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> > > >
> > > > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > > > involvement and here it is:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> > > >
> > > > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor
> > Mr
> > > > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> > > >
> > > > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry
> > Minister's
> > > > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > > > contraption.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid
> > the
> > > > earth of them!
> > > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: Stargazer
> > > >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> > > >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine
> > is
> > > > an old
> > > >   B&W image in this site
> > > >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> > > >
> > > >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather
> > radar* to
> > > > detect
> > > >   approaching hail...
> > > >
> > > >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system
> > detects
> > > >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every
> > 5.5
> > > > seconds,
> > > >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from
> > the
> > > > Nissan
> > > >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the
> > cloud
> > > > every
> > > >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> > > >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> > > >
> > > >   Regs, Paul.
> > > >   (Stargazer)
> > > >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> > > >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> > > >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   > Hi Chas
> > > >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a
> > few
> > > > years
> > > >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing
> > areas
> > > > and
> > > >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > > > other
> > > >   fruit
> > > >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the
> > Riverina
> > > > area
> > > >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was
> > used
> > > > by
> > > >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > > > Queensland to
> > > >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am
> > aware
> > > > they
> > > >   have
> > > >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> > > >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> > > >   > Southside Weather Watch
> > > >   > Canberra
> > > >   > Hi Simon ,
> > > >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th
> > March)
> > > >   > Gavin
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> > > >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Hello Everyone
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> > > >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > > > Yesterday
> > > >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> > landholders
> > > > from
> > > >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > > > industries
> > > >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > > > approaching
> > > >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> > in
> > > > the
> > > >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > > > cannons are
> > > >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > > > locals say
> > > >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > > > patterns.
> > > >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> > the
> > > > west,
> > > >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > > > develop
> > > >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle
> > as if
> > > > cut
> > > >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> > Henry
> > > >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> > Burnett. Mr
> > > >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > > > splitting,
> > > >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> > causing
> > > >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter
> > Huth
> > > > says
> > > >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > > > Applications,
> > > >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> > devices
> > > > appear
> > > >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> > the
> > > > sound
> > > >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> > are
> > > > in use
> > > >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> > fifteen
> > > > devices.
> > > >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> > > >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> > > >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> > > >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Audio
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Chas
> > > >   > >Bedourie Qld
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
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Yes Phil that is true and I also remeber seeing the Movietone News too! I 
was in the BOM  in the mid 60's and remember the decision being taken to 
stop the programe.I think it was a cost issue that finally killed it since 
the results were inconclusive- they certainly did not have the technology 
then that we have today so it would be interesting to see a repeat of the 
programe  just for that reason.
Gavin


>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:11:17 +0800
>
>If my memory is correct, the CSIRO claimed great huge successes in the
>papers of the day (it would have been the first half of the 50s, I
>think) but then subsequently there were all sorts of arguments that it
>was all BS.  Scientists argued with other scientists and the debate went
>back and forth endlessly and the seeding experiments eventually
>stopped.  I remember seeing a Movietone News in the fifties in which it
>was claimed that problems of drought in Australia were ended forever and
>the vast deserts were going to be made to bloom and the Great Sandy
>Desert would grow enough crops to feed the starving millions of the
>world and so on.  Silver Iodide was going to make Australia the richest
>nation on earth.
>So I don't know what happened to it all, ... maybe the RAAF got sick of
>these crazy scientists chucking stuff out of their Dakotas.
>I can remember thinking as a kid, "How do they know that the cloud they
>seeded wouldn't have produced the same amount of rain whether it had
>been seeded or not?"  I have never heard that question adequately
>answered.
>So I shall be very interested in the effect of cloud seeding over the
>Snowies.  But I shall be even more interested in whether anyone is then
>able to prove that it wouldn't have snowed that much without the seeding
>anyway.
>It seems to me that there will always be a doubt about whether these
>things really work.
>
>Phil
><><
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:51:33 +1100
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
> > Hi Phil.
> > Funny you should mention Silver iodide. The NSW government has
> > approveed the
> > use of siliver iodide to seed clouds over the Snowy mts, to increase
> > snowfall.....waste of money IMO...
> >
> >
> > Simon
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> >
> > > When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> > > increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> > > years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> > > much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> > > that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down
> > by
> > > these enormous cannons?
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > Phil Smith
> > > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > > > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> > > >
> > > > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> > > >
> > > > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > > > involvement and here it is:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> > > >
> > > > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor
> > Mr
> > > > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> > > >
> > > > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry
> > Minister's
> > > > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > > > contraption.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid
> > the
> > > > earth of them!
> > > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: Stargazer
> > > >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> > > >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine
> > is
> > > > an old
> > > >   B&W image in this site
> > > >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> > > >
> > > >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather
> > radar* to
> > > > detect
> > > >   approaching hail...
> > > >
> > > >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system
> > detects
> > > >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every
> > 5.5
> > > > seconds,
> > > >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from
> > the
> > > > Nissan
> > > >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the
> > cloud
> > > > every
> > > >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> > > >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> > > >
> > > >   Regs, Paul.
> > > >   (Stargazer)
> > > >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> > > >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> > > >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   > Hi Chas
> > > >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a
> > few
> > > > years
> > > >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing
> > areas
> > > > and
> > > >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > > > other
> > > >   fruit
> > > >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the
> > Riverina
> > > > area
> > > >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was
> > used
> > > > by
> > > >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > > > Queensland to
> > > >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am
> > aware
> > > > they
> > > >   have
> > > >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> > > >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> > > >   > Southside Weather Watch
> > > >   > Canberra
> > > >   > Hi Simon ,
> > > >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th
> > March)
> > > >   > Gavin
> > > >   >
> > > >   >
> > > >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> > > >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > > >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Hello Everyone
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> > > >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > > > Yesterday
> > > >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy
> > landholders
> > > > from
> > > >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > > > industries
> > > >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > > > approaching
> > > >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development
> > in
> > > > the
> > > >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > > > cannons are
> > > >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > > > locals say
> > > >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > > > patterns.
> > > >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in
> > the
> > > > west,
> > > >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > > > develop
> > > >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle
> > as if
> > > > cut
> > > >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister
> > Henry
> > > >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the
> > Burnett. Mr
> > > >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > > > splitting,
> > > >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are
> > causing
> > > >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter
> > Huth
> > > > says
> > > >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > > > Applications,
> > > >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the
> > devices
> > > > appear
> > > >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how
> > the
> > > > sound
> > > >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons
> > are
> > > > in use
> > > >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to
> > fifteen
> > > > devices.
> > > >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> > > >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> > > >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> > > >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Audio
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >Chas
> > > >   > >Bedourie Qld
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
> > > >   > >
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Hi every1,

Warracknabeal (about 100ks west of here) was a major region studied during 
the original Victorian cloud-seeding experiments of late 60s/early 70s...it 
used both dry ice (carbon dioxide) and silver iodide in the period the 
experiments were conducted.

AFAIK the seeding was stopped for only one reason: indeterminate results. 
The clouds that were seeded had to be (at the time) by their very nature, 
ones that may well have developed precipitation anyway. The statistical 
analyses covered such a limited time frame and were not statistically 
different (i.e. two or three standard deviations) different to regions 
unseeded.

It may well work...unfortunately it's very hard to tell...<shrug>

Cheers,
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>From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:51:33 +1100
>
>Hi Phil.
>Funny you should mention Silver iodide. The NSW government has approveed 
>the
>use of siliver iodide to seed clouds over the Snowy mts, to increase
>snowfall.....waste of money IMO...
>
>
>Simon
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:39 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
>
>
> > When I was a lot younger than I am now, the CSIRO used to try to
> > increase rainfall by seeding clouds first with dry ice and then a few
> > years later with silver iodide. In the press at the time they claimed
> > much success for both methods.  However the experiments stopped.  Was
> > that perhaps because they were afraid their planes would be shot down by
> > these enormous cannons?
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > Phil Smith
> > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:08:25 +1100
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> >
> > > That one looks surprisingly similar to this:
> > >
> > > http://www.queenslandholidays.com.au/outback/555708/index.cfm
> > >
> > > the Steiger Vortex Gun, to which I referred in an earlier post.
> > >
> > > Someone previously in this thread referred to Clement Wragge's
> > > involvement and here it is:
> > >
> > > http://www.weatherchannel.com.au/toyota/index.jsp
> > >
> > > It seems they both operated on the same principle, except that poor Mr
> > > Wragge's cannon blew up!
> > >
> > > I am utterly astonished that someone of the Primary Industry 
>Minister's
> > > undoubted intelligence could fall for the blandishments of this
> > > contraption.
> > >
> > > Ah, sorry, skeptics in the sciences aren't allowed these days, rid the
> > > earth of them!
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Stargazer
> > >   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 6:16 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   Does anybody have a photo of one of these devices?
> > >   I've done a Google search but the only image I've managed to fine is
> > > an old
> > >   B&W image in this site
> > >   http://snr.unl.edu/metr351-03/brockman/introduction.html
> > >
> > >   Apparently the modern versions even have their own *weather radar* 
>to
> > > detect
> > >   approaching hail...
> > >
> > >   "It automatically activates when its own weather radar system 
>detects
> > >   conditions favorable for the formation of hail. It fires every 5.5
> > > seconds,
> > >   making a sound we know can be heard at least five miles away from 
>the
> > > Nissan
> > >   plant near Canton. It then starts sending sound waves into the cloud
> > > every
> > >   five-and-a-half seconds."
> > >   http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=1628848&
> > >
> > >   Regs, Paul.
> > >   (Stargazer)
> > >   http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> > >
> > >
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> > >   To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 4:53 PM
> > >   Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >
> > >
> > >   > Hi Chas
> > >   > I understand that hail cannons were used in Germany for quite a 
>few
> > > years
> > >   > early last century to disapate hail storms over fruit growing 
>areas
> > > and
> > >   > later were imported to Australia for use in Tasmainia and later
> > > other
> > >   fruit
> > >   > growing areas but interestingly they were not used in the Riverina
> > > area
> > >   > where I come from.I also understand that a similar device was used
> > > by
> > >   > Clement Wragge in the late 1800 and early 1900's in central
> > > Queensland to
> > >   > break droughts.It stopped for lack of results.AS far as I am aware
> > > they
> > >   have
> > >   > not been shown to do much other than make a lot of noise.
> > >   > Gavin O'Brien,
> > >   > Southside Weather Watch
> > >   > Canberra
> > >   > Hi Simon ,
> > >   > Did you see my Letter to the Editor in todays C.T.? (14th March)
> > >   > Gavin
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > >From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
> > >   > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >   > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >   > >Subject: aus-wx: Hail cannons
> > >   > >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:11:19 +1000
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hello Everyone
> > >   > >
> > >   > >This is from the ABC Queensland Country Hour Program.
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Hail cannons - Jodie van de Wetering
> > >   > >Are hail cannons causing drought over parts of Queensland?
> > > Yesterday
> > >   > >afternoon a meeting in Gayndah attracted over seventy landholders
> > > from
> > >   > >across the inland Burnett, to put their concerns to primary
> > > industries
> > >   > >minister Henry Palaszczuk. Hail cannons fire a sound wave at
> > > approaching
> > >   > >storms. This is said to interfere with the storm's development in
> > > the
> > >   > >colder upper atmosphere, preventing hail from forming. Hail
> > > cannons are
> > >   > >used by orchardists in Mundubbera to prevent crop damage, but
> > > locals say
> > >   > >the devices make storms break up, leading to unnatural rain
> > > patterns.
> > >   > >Binjour grazier Anthony Conroy says he watches storms build in 
>the
> > > west,
> > >   > >then as they approach, the clouds take on a reddish tinge and
> > > develop
> > >   > >circular holes before the whole storm splits down the middle as 
>if
> > > cut
> > >   > >by a knife. After the meeting, primary industries minister Henry
> > >   > >Palaszczuk announced a review of rainfall data for the Burnett. 
>Mr
> > >   > >Palaszczuk says it needs to be established whether storms are
> > > splitting,
> > >   > >and if they are, why. If it's proven that hail cannons are 
>causing
> > >   > >aberrant weather, they will be banned. Gayndah mayor Peter Huth
> > > says
> > >   > >he's spoken to the head of the DPI's Centre for Climate
> > > Applications,
> > >   > >Doctor Roger Stone, about hail cannons. Dr Stone says the devices
> > > appear
> > >   > >to work, although there's been little scientific study of how the
> > > sound
> > >   > >wave affects the weather. It is unknown how many hail cannons are
> > > in use
> > >   > >around the Burnett, with estimates ranging from four to fifteen
> > > devices.
> > >   > >Anthony Conroy: Binjour landholder
> > >   > >Peter Conroy: Gayndah grazier
> > >   > >Henry Palaszczuk: Primary Industries minister
> > >   > >Peter Huth: Gayndah mayor
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Audio
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >Chas
> > >   > >Bedourie Qld
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
> > >   > >
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Thanks Bussy, I hadn't seen it before - so that makes 2 of us and I have
bookmarked it, for further use.
Judy Mayo.

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Not very good though.
It said thunderstorms for ChCh today.
nothing happened ... and I felt very distraught

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Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however I
found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the wall of
Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.

http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/

I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with various
PowerStation's out there.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:33:57 +0800
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Hi James and all,
Yes!  This does happen in Australia.  In the Latrobe Valley, two large 
power stations, the "Yallourn W" station and the "Hazelwood Power 
Station" both put up pillars of cloud more often than not.  I have seen 
days when lightning was observed within some of these clouds on the same 
day as other thunderstorms were about, and in the 1970s on a very 
unstable day I observed a tornado develop from the Yallourn W plume, 
cross the Yallourn Open Cut coal mine where it became very dense black 
because of all the coal dust it picked up, and then dissipate over the 
bushland near Hearne's Oak.
Sometimes the cloud from the Hazelwood PS extends to beyond Rosedale.  
Perhaps someone from that area can tell us how many kilometres Rosedale 
is from Hazlewood.
As for being able to walk up to the edge of the rain, one day I remember 
being out in farmland towards Jeeralang when steady rain was falling 
from the plume of the Hazelwood PS, and on one side of the road it was 
raining heavily while the other side of the road remained dry.
When I left the Latrobe Valley in 1976, plans were proposed for an even 
larger power station to be built at Loy Yang.  Perhaps someone can tell 
us whether it was eventually built and if so, whether it also produces 
such clouds.

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> Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however
> I
> found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the
> wall of
> Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
> 
> http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> 
> I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
> Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with various
> PowerStation's out there.
> 
> James
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I hav certianly seen very sizeable cumiliform clouds over the cooling towers
in the Hunter Valley (but no TS as such), most prominent on coolish mornings
when there is low cloud and fog about.

They are also often observable from air on flights from Brisbane coming in
to Sydney as the descend over the Hunter valley.

John.

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Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however I
found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the wall of
Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.

http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/

I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist Cu
formation, as seen in this picture

http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG

I have not seen thunder from such.

Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the escarpment
when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.

Michael


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> Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however I
> found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the wall
of
> Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
>
> http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
>
> I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
> Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with various
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Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them scanned.

Remember that Michael? :o)

PaulY

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Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist Cu
formation, as seen in this picture

http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG

I have not seen thunder from such.

Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the escarpment
when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.

Michael


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> Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however

> I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the 
> wall
of
> Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
>
> http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
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> I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The

> Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with 
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<DIV><SPAN class=828344310-19032004><FONT color=#0000ff>there were some shown on 
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I heard it was in Murwillumbah or Mullumbimby, but not certain which.

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> there were some shown on nbn news last night off Newcastle.  I didn't
> hear it, but saw the image.
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Hi Paul hope your are in good health regards Clyve H.
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> Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
> Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
> where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
> cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them scanned.
>
> Remember that Michael? :o)
>
> PaulY
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> Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist Cu
> formation, as seen in this picture
>
> http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG
>
> I have not seen thunder from such.
>
> Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the escarpment
> when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.
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> Michael
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> > I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the
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> of
> > Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
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> > http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> >
> > I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
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The storm hit Lismore and Kyogle but did most of its damage in 
Murwillumbah - see 
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>  does any one know where the mini tornado in northern nsw was today 
> . 
> stephen 
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The tornadoes and waterspouts were off the NSW central coast, and not 
associated with the storm which hit the Lismore to Murwillumbah areas on 
the Fan North Coast.

A couple of pics:

http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv01.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv02.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv03.jpg


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>  does any one know where the mini tornado in northern nsw was today
>.
>stephen
>


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Does anyone know the exact location where these (awesome) photos/video
were taken???

AC

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> The tornadoes and waterspouts were off the NSW central coast, and not
> associated with the storm which hit the Lismore to Murwillumbah areas on
> the Fan North Coast.
> 
> A couple of pics:
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv01.jpg
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv02.jpg
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv03.jpg
> 
> Video clip from NBN TV (2.2mb):
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/movies/2004/0318tv01.wmv
> 
> regards, Michael
> 
> At 04:59 PM 19/03/2004 +1000, you wrote:
> 
> >  does any one know where the mini tornado in northern nsw was today
> >.
> >stephen
> >
> 
>   ===================================================================
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I think I read somewhere that it was taken at The Entrance, or nearby.

Dave

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Does anyone know the exact location where these (awesome) photos/video
were taken???

AC

Michael Bath wrote:
 >
 > The tornadoes and waterspouts were off the NSW central coast, and not
 > associated with the storm which hit the Lismore to Murwillumbah areas on
 > the Fan North Coast.
 >
 > A couple of pics:
 >
 > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv01.jpg
 >
 > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv02.jpg
 >
 > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv03.jpg
 >
 > Video clip from NBN TV (2.2mb):
 >
 > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/movies/2004/0318tv01.wmv
 >
 > regards, Michael
 >
 > At 04:59 PM 19/03/2004 +1000, you wrote:
 >
 > >  does any one know where the mini tornado in northern nsw was today
 > >.
 > >stephen
 > >
 >
 >   ===================================================================
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><A HREF="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_11.jpg"><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">.jpg</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></P>

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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><A HREF="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_10.jpg"><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">0</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">.jpg</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-au"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The images are under-exposed by 1 stop</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">to darken them a little</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"> </SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-au"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Great sunset too, set of 9 images from the sunset here:</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><A HREF="http://www.stormplanet.com/autumn2004.htm"><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">http://www.stormplanet.com/autumn2004.htm</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-au"></SPAN></P>

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From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Wonderful Friends: Here are some figures on 
Winter (Dec. 22, 2003-Mar. 19, 2004) in Mena, Arkansas:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Avg. Max.: 53.2F(11.7C)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Avg. Min: 34.2F (1.2C)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Highest Max.: 76F(24.4C) Mar. 17</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lowest Min.: 14F(-10.0C) Jan. 27</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Highest Min.:65F(18.3C) 
Jan. 3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lowest Max.:29F(-1.6C) 
Jan. 5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rain for Winter: 14.90"(378.4 mm)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Snowfall: 1.5"(3.8cm---all fell Feb. 14th); 
flurries on Jan. 26, 27, Feb. 6th and 11th</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Freezing rain/sleet on Feb. 4th; pea-sized hail on 
Mar. 18th</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>28 raindays in Winter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Days, minimums of 32F(0C) or lower: 45</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Days, maximums of 32F(0C) or lower: 2</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The 0.20"(5.0mm) rain that fell on March 13th, 
brought the yearly total to 11.05"(280.8mm), which covers the rainfall deficit 
that we ended 2003 with.</FONT></DIV>
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From: Dale Small <x4y2z5c1v4b7x at overflow.net.au>
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Wow, that really is a fantastic series of images and espescially that
video!!  Would love to have seen it with my own eyes :-)

Btw, Happy Birthday to you for today MB, all the best!


Regards
The other birthday boy..     Dale.







on 20/03/2004 09:20, Michael Bath at mbath at ozemail.com.au wrote:

> 
> The tornadoes and waterspouts were off the NSW central coast, and not
> associated with the storm which hit the Lismore to Murwillumbah areas on
> the Fan North Coast.
> 
> A couple of pics:
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv01.jpg
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv02.jpg
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2004/0318tv03.jpg
> 
> 
> Video clip from NBN TV (2.2mb):
> 
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/movies/2004/0318tv01.wmv
> 
> regards, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:59 PM 19/03/2004 +1000, you wrote:
> 
>> does any one know where the mini tornado in northern nsw was today
>> .
>> stephen
>> 
> 
> 
> ===================================================================
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Great photos there David.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There always&nbsp;seems to be something special to see in 
the sky above - you just have to know where &amp; when to look&nbsp; 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If other&nbsp;readers would like some info &amp; photos of 
iridescent clouds&nbsp;then have a look&nbsp;at </FONT><A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=david at stormplanet.com href="mailto:david at stormplanet.com">David 
  Simpson</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 20, 2004 4:25 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Sunset Iridescence</DIV>
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  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here</FONT></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>’</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>s</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au> 
  <FONT face=Arial size=2>some iridescence preceding sunset last night 
  over</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au> <FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>Melbourne</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au> 
  <FONT face=Arial size=2>obviously suffering from storm deprivation here but 
  nonetheless a notable phenomena! </FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><A 
  href="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_13.jpg"><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_13.jpg</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><A 
  href="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_11.jpg"><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT 
  face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>.jpg</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><A 
  href="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_12.jpg"><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>2</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT 
  face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>.jpg</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><A 
  href="http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_10.jpg"><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>http://www.stormplanet.com/190304_1</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>0</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><U><FONT 
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  lang=en-au></SPAN></A><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial size=2>The images are 
  under-exposed by 1 stop</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au> <FONT face=Arial size=2>to darken them a little</FONT></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-au> 
  </SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great sunset too, set 
  of 9 images from the sunset here:</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><A 
  href="http://www.stormplanet.com/autumn2004.htm"><SPAN lang=en-au></SPAN><SPAN 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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I remember that well, unfortunate that it was no omen for the rest of the
week.

Michael

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> Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
> Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
> where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
> cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them scanned.
>
> Remember that Michael? :o)
>
> PaulY
>
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>
> Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist Cu
> formation, as seen in this picture
>
> http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG
>
> I have not seen thunder from such.
>
> Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the escarpment
> when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.
>
> Michael
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:01 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
>
>
> > Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however
>
> > I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the
> > wall
> of
> > Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
> >
> > http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> >
> > I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
>
> > Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with
> > various PowerStation's out there.
> >
> > James
> >
> >
> >
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From: "Max" <max56 at iinet.net.au>
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That would've been Liddell Power Station SE of Muswellbrook probably Paul.

Max


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> I remember that well, unfortunate that it was no omen for the rest of the
> week.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Yole" <pyole78 at yahoo.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:35 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
>
>
> > Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
> > Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
> > where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
> > cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them scanned.
> >
> > Remember that Michael? :o)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:25 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> >
> >
> > Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist Cu
> > formation, as seen in this picture
> >
> > http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG
> >
> > I have not seen thunder from such.
> >
> > Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the escarpment
> > when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Harris" <j_harris at ihug.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:01 AM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> >
> >
> > > Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already however
> >
> > > I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to the
> > > wall
> > of
> > > Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
> > >
> > > http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> > >
> > > I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia. The
> >
> > > Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with
> > > various PowerStation's out there.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
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Actually I think it was Bayswater. Liddell is on the right side of highway
heading north, Bayswater on the left.

Liddell is much older with 4 x 500 Mwatt units, Bayswater has 4 x 660 Mwatt
units - well thgat was 14 years ago when I was made redundant from the then
Elcom.

Michael

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> That would've been Liddell Power Station SE of Muswellbrook probably Paul.
>
> Max
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:07 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
>
>
> > I remember that well, unfortunate that it was no omen for the rest of
the
> > week.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Paul Yole" <pyole78 at yahoo.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> >
> >
> > > Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
> > > Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
> > > where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
> > > cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them
scanned.
> > >
> > > Remember that Michael? :o)
> > >
> > > PaulY
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > > Thompson
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist
Cu
> > > formation, as seen in this picture
> > >
> > > http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG
> > >
> > > I have not seen thunder from such.
> > >
> > > Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the
escarpment
> > > when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "James Harris" <j_harris at ihug.com.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:01 AM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > > Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already
however
> > >
> > > > I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to
the
> > > > wall
> > > of
> > > > Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
> > > >
> > > > http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia.
The
> > >
> > > > Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with
> > > > various PowerStation's out there.
> > > >
> > > > James
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell


yup, thats it!

Was trying to think of the name of the other one!!!

LOL

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> Actually I think it was Bayswater. Liddell is on the right side of highway
> heading north, Bayswater on the left.
>
> Liddell is much older with 4 x 500 Mwatt units, Bayswater has 4 x 660
Mwatt
> units - well thgat was 14 years ago when I was made redundant from the
then
> Elcom.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Max" <max56 at iinet.net.au>
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 7:33 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
>
>
> > That would've been Liddell Power Station SE of Muswellbrook probably
Paul.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> >
> >
> > > I remember that well, unfortunate that it was no omen for the rest of
> the
> > > week.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Paul Yole" <pyole78 at yahoo.com.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 9:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> > >
> > >
> > > > Remembering all the way back to the First Oz Chase in 1998, Michael
> > > > Thompson and I pulled over somewhere in the Hunter (I can't remember
> > > > where exactly) and snapped off some shots of cu development from the
> > > > cooling towers. I'll see if I can dig up the shots and get them
> scanned.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that Michael? :o)
> > > >
> > > > PaulY
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> > > > Thompson
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:25 AM
> > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Under moist E/NE onshore flow the Port Kembla steelworks will assist
> Cu
> > > > formation, as seen in this picture
> > > >
> > > > http://ozthunder.com/photo/THERMAL.JPG
> > > >
> > > > I have not seen thunder from such.
> > > >
> > > > Showers sometimes persist just west of steelworks against the
> escarpment
> > > > when elsewhere in the Illawarra it is dry.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "James Harris" <j_harris at ihug.com.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:01 AM
> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Power Plant Exhaust-Initiated Thunderstorm Cell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Any of you who get wx-chase emails will have seen this already
> however
> > > >
> > > > > I found this website really interesting. Being able to walk up to
> the
> > > > > wall
> > > > of
> > > > > Heavy rain and almost stay dry is amazing.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://wvlightning.com/johnamos/
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if the same type of occurrence happens here in Australia.
> The
> > > >
> > > > > Hunter valley and Central Tablelands of NSW spring to mind with
> > > > > various PowerStation's out there.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
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Anyone noticed the DP readings at Melbourne Airport today?  It's currently 
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Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an eye on Broome AWS over the next
12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
http://www.bom.gov.au

Broome
Date / Time		24 17:30
Temperature		23.8 C
Dew Point		21.9 C
Relative Humidity	89 %
Wind Direction		ESE
Wind Speed		44 km/h
Nautical Wind Speed	24 kt
Wind Gust		59 km/h
Nautical Wind Gust	32 kt
Barometric Pressure	998.5 hPa
Rain Since 9am		12.0 mm

C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of Meteorology.



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:05:30 +1030
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Just to alert all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 
4 and is approaching the WA coast.  

It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes but 
now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on 
Dampier radar.  And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour now.

Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the 
possibility of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they 
cross the WA coast.  This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks 
like the Alice district will only see cloud and maybe some very light 
rain as the 'arms' swing.  Cyclone Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave 
us good rain in the Centre and probably avoiding us breaking a record of 
being in the high 30s continuously from mid-December until March this 
year. We still broke a record for January to March.

Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area 
and on the Giles radar.  

Lynne  

James Holbeach wrote:

>Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an eye on Broome AWS over the next
>12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)
>
>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>http://www.bom.gov.au
>
>Broome
>Date / Time		24 17:30
>Temperature		23.8 C
>Dew Point		21.9 C
>Relative Humidity	89 %
>Wind Direction		ESE
>Wind Speed		44 km/h
>Nautical Wind Speed	24 kt
>Wind Gust		59 km/h
>Nautical Wind Gust	32 kt
>Barometric Pressure	998.5 hPa
>Rain Since 9am		12.0 mm
>
>C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of Meteorology.
>
>
>
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          Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still to south
to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
 <br>
 <br>
 LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
 
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to alert 
all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is approaching 
the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
 It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes but
now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on Dampier
radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour now.<br>
   <br>
 Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the possibility 
of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA coast.&nbsp; 
This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice district 
will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms' swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and probably
avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously from
mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January to
March.<br>
   <br>
 Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area and 
on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
 Lynne&nbsp; <br>
 James Holbeach wrote:<br>
   <br>
   
  <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an eye on
Broome AWS over the next<br>
 12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
     <br>
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TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will 
cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning, 
although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.

At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever 
added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the 
form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.  
Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings 
on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no 
agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where 
a cyclone has never been seen before.

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-----Original Message-----
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>           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
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> to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
>  <br>
>  <br>
>  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
>  
> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to
> alert 
> all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> approaching 
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>  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> but
> now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> Dampier
> radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> now.<br>
>    <br>
>  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> possibility 
> of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA
> coast.&nbsp; 
> This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> district 
> will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> probably
> avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> from
> mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January
> to
> March.<br>
>    <br>
>  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area
> and 
> on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
>  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
>  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
>    <br>
>    
>   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> eye on
> Broome AWS over the next<br>
>  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
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>  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
>  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
>  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
>  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
>  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
>  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
>  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
>  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
>  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Hi Phil et al.
Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
 http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg

Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the follow up
reports after the event has passed.

Simon

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> TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
>
> At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
> form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings
> on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no
> agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where
> a cyclone has never been seen before.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> Phil Smith
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
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> >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
> > to south
> > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
> >  <br>
> >  <br>
> >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to
> > alert
> > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > approaching
> > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > but
> > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > Dampier
> > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > now.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > possibility
> > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA
> > coast.&nbsp;
> > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > district
> > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > probably
> > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > from
> > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January
> > to
> > March.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area
> > and
> > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> >    <br>
> >
> >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > eye on
> > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> >      <br>
> >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> >      <br>
> >  Broome<br>
> >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0 mm<br>
> >      <br>
> >  C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of Meteorology.<br>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <aussky at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Interesting satpic from the 24th March 1320UTC - same storm further off
the coast?
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.cgi?T040841320

The upper analysis over this are at 12Z 26th March is interesting.
http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_sam.html

I wonder if this system is a hybrid?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Hi Phil et al.
Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
 http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg

Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the follow
up
reports after the event has passed.

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


> TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
>
> At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
> form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give
warnings
> on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but
no
> agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone
where
> a cyclone has never been seen before.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> Phil Smith
> IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> International Christian School, Hong Kong
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
>
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> >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach
still
> > to south
> > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp;
Lynne<br>
> >  <br>
> >  <br>
> >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just
to
> > alert
> > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > approaching
> > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > but
> > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > Dampier
> > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > now.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > possibility
> > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the
WA
> > coast.&nbsp;
> > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > district
> > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > probably
> > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > from
> > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for
January
> > to
> > March.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon
area
> > and
> > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> >    <br>
> >
> >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > eye on
> > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> >      <br>
> >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
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> >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0
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> >      <br>
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Phil I agree on the Hurricane approaching Brazil. I can't help but wonder 
what the pattern is to allow such a development, We are watching the 
movement of Fay which is also proving quite an interesting event and getting 
some media coverage on ABC mainly. The people up there must be having a hard 
time.
Gavin
SSWW Canberra


>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:52:50 +0800
>
>TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
>cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
>although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
>
>At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
>added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
>form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
>Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings
>on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no
>agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where
>a cyclone has never been seen before.
>
>Phil
><><
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
>
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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> >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
> > to south
> > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
> >  <br>
> >  <br>
> >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to
> > alert
> > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > approaching
> > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > but
> > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > Dampier
> > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > now.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > possibility
> > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA
> > coast.&nbsp;
> > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > district
> > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > probably
> > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > from
> > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January
> > to
> > March.<br>
> >    <br>
> >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area
> > and
> > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> >    <br>
> >
> >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > eye on
> > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> >      <br>
> >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> >      <br>
> >  Broome<br>
> >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0 mm<br>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


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Phil and Simon ,
Had a look at the Sat Pix, awesome, they will have to rewrite the textbooks 
after this one!
Gavin


>From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:16:03 +1100
>
>Hi Phil et al.
>Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
>  http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg
>
>Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the follow up
>reports after the event has passed.
>
>Simon
>
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>
>
> > TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> > cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> > although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
> >
> > At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> > added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
> > form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> > Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings
> > on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no
> > agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where
> > a cyclone has never been seen before.
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > Phil Smith
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
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> > >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
> > > to south
> > > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; 
>Lynne<br>
> > >  <br>
> > >  <br>
> > >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> > >
> > > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just 
>to
> > > alert
> > > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > > approaching
> > > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > > but
> > > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > > Dampier
> > > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > > now.<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > > possibility
> > > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the 
>WA
> > > coast.&nbsp;
> > > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > > district
> > > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > > probably
> > > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > > from
> > > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for 
>January
> > > to
> > > March.<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon 
>area
> > > and
> > > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >
> > >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > > eye on
> > > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  Broome<br>
> > >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0 mm<br>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Hi Jane and all,
This may have started life as a hybrid, but it is at this moment a full-
scale Hurricane with fully tropical characteristics, whether the experts 
like it or not.

I have just a few minutes ago commenced a page devoted to it at 
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/aldonca.htm in an attempt to gather in one 
place a lot of the data and observations that are flying around in 
cyberspace regarding this system.
You will need to come back to the page again later as it will take me 
many hours to gather and format all the data I have saved.

Yes the picture you have linked to is the same storm which a bunch of us 
have been following since it first formed on about 22nd or 23rd March.

The latest run by UK Met is predicting that the storm will recurve and 
miss the Brazil coast, eventually dissipating at sea.

Phil
<><

Phil Smith
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International Christian School, Hong Kong
International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jane ONeill" <aussky at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:23:36 +1100
Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T

> Interesting satpic from the 24th March 1320UTC - same storm further off
> the coast?
> http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.cgi?T040841320
> 
> The upper analysis over this are at 12Z 26th March is interesting.
> http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_sam.html
> 
> I wonder if this system is a hybrid?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jane
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> aussky at iprimus.com.au
> 
> Australian Sky & Weather
> http://www.australianskynweather.com
> 
> Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> 
> ***The journey is the reward***
> --------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:16 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> 
> 
> Hi Phil et al.
> Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
>  http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg
> 
> Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the
> follow
> up
> reports after the event has passed.
> 
> Simon
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> 
> 
> > TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> > cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> > although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
> >
> > At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> > added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in
> the
> > form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> > Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give
> warnings
> > on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but
> no
> > agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone
> where
> > a cyclone has never been seen before.
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > Phil Smith
> > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> > International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> > Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
> >
> > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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> > > <body>
> > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
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> > > <title></title>
> > >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach
> still
> > > to south
> > > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp;
> Lynne<br>
> > >  <br>
> > >  <br>
> > >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> > >
> > > <blockquote type="cite"
> cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just
> to
> > > alert
> > > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > > approaching
> > > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double
> takes
> > > but
> > > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > > Dampier
> > > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the
> hour
> > > now.<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > > possibility
> > > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross
> the
> WA
> > > coast.&nbsp;
> > > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > > district
> > > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > > probably
> > > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > > from
> > > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for
> January
> > > to
> > > March.<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon
> area
> > > and
> > > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > >    <br>
> > >
> > >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep
> an
> > > eye on
> > > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  Broome<br>
> > >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0
> mm<br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of
> Meteorology.<br>
> > >      <br>
> > >      <br>
> > >      <br>
> > >  James Holbeach<br>
> > >  -------------------------------------------<br>
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Phil,
I have emailed Clem Davis O I C  of the ACT Met Office re the Hurricane to 
see what he thinks.We have a AGM of the AMOS (Australian Meteorological and 
Oceanographic Society ) Canberra branch on Wednesday at the ANU and I guess 
it will be a topic of discussion.We are expecting the new Director of the 
BOM as guest speaker that evening.I will post any responses later.Keep up 
the good work on your page,I read it before coming on line.
Gavin


>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:48:56 +0800
>
>Hi Jane and all,
>This may have started life as a hybrid, but it is at this moment a full-
>scale Hurricane with fully tropical characteristics, whether the experts
>like it or not.
>
>I have just a few minutes ago commenced a page devoted to it at
>http://www.drdisk.com.hk/aldonca.htm in an attempt to gather in one
>place a lot of the data and observations that are flying around in
>cyberspace regarding this system.
>You will need to come back to the page again later as it will take me
>many hours to gather and format all the data I have saved.
>
>Yes the picture you have linked to is the same storm which a bunch of us
>have been following since it first formed on about 22nd or 23rd March.
>
>The latest run by UK Met is predicting that the storm will recurve and
>miss the Brazil coast, eventually dissipating at sea.
>
>Phil
><><
>
>Phil Smith
>IT Teacher - Elementary campus
>International Christian School, Hong Kong
>International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
>International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
>International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
>Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
>MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
>Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
>Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
>Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jane ONeill" <aussky at iprimus.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:23:36 +1100
>Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>
> > Interesting satpic from the 24th March 1320UTC - same storm further off
> > the coast?
> > http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.cgi?T040841320
> >
> > The upper analysis over this are at 12Z 26th March is interesting.
> > http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_sam.html
> >
> > I wonder if this system is a hybrid?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > aussky at iprimus.com.au
> >
> > Australian Sky & Weather
> > http://www.australianskynweather.com
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> >
> > ***The journey is the reward***
> > --------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> >
> >
> > Hi Phil et al.
> > Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
> >  http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg
> >
> > Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the
> > follow
> > up
> > reports after the event has passed.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> >
> >
> > > TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> > > cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> > > although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
> > >
> > > At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> > > added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in
> > the
> > > form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> > > Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give
> > warnings
> > > on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but
> > no
> > > agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone
> > where
> > > a cyclone has never been seen before.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > Phil Smith
> > > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> > > International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> > > Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
> > >
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> > > > <title></title>
> > > >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach
> > still
> > > > to south
> > > > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp;
> > Lynne<br>
> > > >  <br>
> > > >  <br>
> > > >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> > > >
> > > > <blockquote type="cite"
> > cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just
> > to
> > > > alert
> > > > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > > > approaching
> > > > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double
> > takes
> > > > but
> > > > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > > > Dampier
> > > > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the
> > hour
> > > > now.<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > > > possibility
> > > > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross
> > the
> > WA
> > > > coast.&nbsp;
> > > > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > > > district
> > > > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > > > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > > > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > > > probably
> > > > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > > > from
> > > > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for
> > January
> > > > to
> > > > March.<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon
> > area
> > > > and
> > > > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >
> > > >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep
> > an
> > > > eye on
> > > > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > > >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > > >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > > > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  Broome<br>
> > > >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > > >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > > >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > > >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > > >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > > >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > > >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > > >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > > >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > > >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > > >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0
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> > > >      <br>
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From: "ASWA Victoria" <aswa_victoria at iprimus.com.au>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting 22nd May


Put it in your diary...updates to follow.  This will be a great
meeting!!

---------------------------------------->>>

The next Victorian ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday May 22 at the
Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster beginning at ~8.30am with
breakfast and bragging (bring your photos and well as your appetite).

Presentations will commence ~9.45am

This is a preliminary agenda and members and friends of ASWA are invited
to submit presentation ideas for inclusion in this meeting. If you have
a topic for discussion please drop an email to
aswa_victoria at iprimus.com.au and we will endeavour to schedule your
presentation.

**Presentations**
- Tropical oddities
TC Vamei - a near equator typhoon (December 2001)
Hurricane Aldonca - first known South Atlantic hurricane of modern times
(March 2004)

- Pictorial history of TC Fay - A Lethal Slowcoach

- Special Guest Speaker - Kevin Parkyn (Manager, Severe Weather, BoM
Melbourne)

If you have a video you would like to show at this meeting, please have
it cued and ready to roll (10 minutes max).

Also at the meeting will be:-
- Update on details for 2005 ASWA Conference (Melbourne)
- 2004 ASWA Conference details (Sydney)
- ASWA calendars, caps, shirts & car stickers will be available

We look forward to a very busy morning of nothing but weather!!

Regards your state reps,
Clyve Herbert & Andrew McDonald

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Is this cyclone a "long liver" or am I imaging things. Fay has just seemed
to hang and hang there.
I've forgotten but only a few years ago a cyclone moved from Queensland
right around to the WA coast and made landfall 5 times I think and I cant
for the life of me remember its name. Anyone help here. Thanks. 
 
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From: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: 03/27/04 13:25:14
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
 
Phil I agree on the Hurricane approaching Brazil. I can't help but wonder
what the pattern is to allow such a development, We are watching the
movement of Fay which is also proving quite an interesting event and getting
some media coverage on ABC mainly. The people up there must be having a hard
time.
Gavin
SSWW Canberra
 
 
>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:52:50 +0800
>
>TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
>cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
>although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
>
>At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
>added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
>form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
>Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings
>on them. The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no
>agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where
>a cyclone has never been seen before.
>
>Phil
><><
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
>
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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> > <title></title>
> > Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
> > to south
> > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to
> > alert
> > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > approaching
> > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > but
> > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > Dampier
> > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > now.<br>
> > <br>
> > Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > possibility
> > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA
> > coast.&nbsp;
> > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > district
> > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > probably
> > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > from
> > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January
> > to
> > March.<br>
> > <br>
> > Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area
> > and
> > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > eye on
> > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > 12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > <br>
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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> > Broome<br>
> > Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0 mm<br>
> > <br>
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T


Hey Bussy,

That was Tc Steve :-)

Rgds, Paul.

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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Bussy
Sent: Saturday, 27 March 2004 6:06 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T

Is this cyclone a "long liver" or am I imaging things. Fay has just seemed
to hang and hang there.
I've forgotten but only a few years ago a cyclone moved from Queensland
right around to the WA coast and made landfall 5 times I think and I cant
for the life of me remember its name. Anyone help here. Thanks. 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: 03/27/04 13:25:14
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
 
Phil I agree on the Hurricane approaching Brazil. I can't help but wonder
what the pattern is to allow such a development, We are watching the
movement of Fay which is also proving quite an interesting event and getting
some media coverage on ABC mainly. The people up there must be having a hard
time.
Gavin
SSWW Canberra
 
 
>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 21:52:50 +0800
>
>TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
>cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
>although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
>
>At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
>added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in the
>form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
>Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give warnings
>on them. The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but no
>agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone where
>a cyclone has never been seen before.
>
>Phil
><><
>
>Phil Smith
>IT Teacher - Elementary campus
>International Christian School, Hong Kong
>International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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>International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
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>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
>
> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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> > <title></title>
> > Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach still
> > to south
> > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp; Lynne<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just to
> > alert
> > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > approaching
> > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double takes
> > but
> > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > Dampier
> > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the hour
> > now.<br>
> > <br>
> > Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > possibility
> > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross the WA
> > coast.&nbsp;
> > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > district
> > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > probably
> > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > from
> > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for January
> > to
> > March.<br>
> > <br>
> > Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon area
> > and
> > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> >
> > <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep an
> > eye on
> > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > 12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > <br>
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> > <br>
> > Broome<br>
> > Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0 mm<br>
> > <br>
> > C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of Meteorology.<br>
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> > <br>
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> > -------------------------------------------<br>
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> > Mt. Hotham<br>
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Phil and all,
Just checked out your NOAA Sat Pix Loop which shows that the Hurricane has 
crossed the coast of Brazil.Looks like a classical Tropical Storm to me. Any 
other info on this ?
Gavin


>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:48:56 +0800
>
>Hi Jane and all,
>This may have started life as a hybrid, but it is at this moment a full-
>scale Hurricane with fully tropical characteristics, whether the experts
>like it or not.
>
>I have just a few minutes ago commenced a page devoted to it at
>http://www.drdisk.com.hk/aldonca.htm in an attempt to gather in one
>place a lot of the data and observations that are flying around in
>cyberspace regarding this system.
>You will need to come back to the page again later as it will take me
>many hours to gather and format all the data I have saved.
>
>Yes the picture you have linked to is the same storm which a bunch of us
>have been following since it first formed on about 22nd or 23rd March.
>
>The latest run by UK Met is predicting that the storm will recurve and
>miss the Brazil coast, eventually dissipating at sea.
>
>Phil
><><
>
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jane ONeill" <aussky at iprimus.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:23:36 +1100
>Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane ALDONCA was: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
>
> > Interesting satpic from the 24th March 1320UTC - same storm further off
> > the coast?
> > http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.cgi?T040841320
> >
> > The upper analysis over this are at 12Z 26th March is interesting.
> > http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_sam.html
> >
> > I wonder if this system is a hybrid?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > aussky at iprimus.com.au
> >
> > Australian Sky & Weather
> > http://www.australianskynweather.com
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> >
> > ***The journey is the reward***
> > --------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> >
> >
> > Hi Phil et al.
> > Very nice storm that 01T - Hurricane ALDONCA
> >  http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/VIS/20.jpg
> >
> > Seem to take everyone by surprise, will be interesting to see the
> > follow
> > up
> > reports after the event has passed.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 12:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay and Tropical Storm 01T
> >
> >
> > > TC Fay is certainly an impressive storm in many ways. I think it will
> > > cross the coast somewhere near Pardoo sometime on Saturday morning,
> > > although, as always with TCs, anything may happen in the meantime.
> > >
> > > At the same time we have the most unusual storm I think I have ever
> > > added to my web page (at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm) in
> > the
> > > form of Tropical Storm 01T in the South Atlantic approaching Brazil.
> > > Storms here are so rare that there is no RSMC appointed to give
> > warnings
> > > on them.  The UK Met Office has started to issue guidance on it, but
> > no
> > > agency is taking up the challenge to issue warnings for a cyclone
> > where
> > > a cyclone has never been seen before.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > Phil Smith
> > > IT Teacher - Elementary campus
> > > International Christian School, Hong Kong
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > International Christian School Web site: http://www.ics.edu.hk
> > > International Christian School Intranet: http://school.ics.edu.hk
> > > Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > MSN Messenger: doctordisk at hotmail.com
> > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > Testimony: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/PhilSmith/about.htm
> > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LYNNE THOMPSON <l.thompson at octa4.net.au>
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:53:48 +1030
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Fay
> > >
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> > > >           Amendment - best radar is Port Hedland. &nbsp;Approach
> > still
> > > > to south
> > > > to cross Pilbara coast but has slowed to 5 km/h. &nbsp;&nbsp;
> > Lynne<br>
> > > >  <br>
> > > >  <br>
> > > >  LYNNE THOMPSON wrote:<br>
> > > >
> > > > <blockquote type="cite"
> > cite="mid40640772.5080209 at octa4.net.au">Just
> > to
> > > > alert
> > > > all weather watchers that TC Fay has increased back to Cat 4 and is
> > > > approaching
> > > > the WA coast.&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  It has constantly moved slowly having done a couple of double
> > takes
> > > > but
> > > > now looks most likely to cross the coast. Get the best viewing on
> > > > Dampier
> > > > radar.&nbsp; And the WA bureau is updating its track map by the
> > hour
> > > > now.<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >  Here in Alice Springs we always watch the WA cyclones viewing the
> > > > possibility
> > > > of us getting some rainfall but that depends on where they cross
> > the
> > WA
> > > > coast.&nbsp;
> > > > This one has maintained its tight shape so it looks like the Alice
> > > > district
> > > > will only see cloud and maybe some very light rain as the 'arms'
> > > > swing.&nbsp; Cyclone
> > > > Debbie over Christmas/New Year gave us good rain in the Centre and
> > > > probably
> > > > avoiding us breaking a record of being in the high 30s continuously
> > > > from
> > > > mid-December until March this year. We still broke a record for
> > January
> > > > to
> > > > March.<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >  Some light rain showing on the Alice radar out SW in Kings Canyon
> > area
> > > > and
> > > > on the Giles radar.&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  Lynne&nbsp; <br>
> > > >  James Holbeach wrote:<br>
> > > >    <br>
> > > >
> > > >   <blockquote type="cite">Oh and to bring it back on topic - keep
> > an
> > > > eye on
> > > > Broome AWS over the next<br>
> > > >  12 hrs. TC Fay besring down. Only a cat 2 now (was Cat 5)<br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<br>
> > > >  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
> > > > href="http://www.bom.gov.au">http://www.bom.gov.au</a><br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  Broome<br>
> > > >  Date / Time&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 17:30<br>
> > > >  Temperature&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 23.8 C<br>
> > > >  Dew Point&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 21.9 C<br>
> > > >  Relative Humidity&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 89 %<br>
> > > >  Wind Direction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ESE<br>
> > > >  Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 km/h<br>
> > > >  Nautical Wind Speed&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 24 kt<br>
> > > >  Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59 km/h<br>
> > > >  Nautical Wind Gust&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32 kt<br>
> > > >  Barometric Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 998.5 hPa<br>
> > > >  Rain Since 9am&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.0
> > mm<br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  C Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2004, Bureau of
> > Meteorology.<br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >      <br>
> > > >  James Holbeach<br>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just found this page. About 3/4 of the way down 
there's a bit about a park ranger who got struck by lightning seven times 
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Crumbs.  I've only been struck twice!  But I have no intention of going 
for a third time, never mind breaking the record of seven.  Twice in a 
lifetime is more than enough!

Good article for a very clear explanation suitable for kids like those I 
teach.  Thanks for bringing the site to our attention.

Phil
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> Just found this page. About 3/4 of the way down there's a bit about a
> park ranger who got struck by lightning seven times !!!
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From: "Judith Mayo" <super7 at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I found that site very interesting.&nbsp; Phil it is not only 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>That 'bloke' was really extremely lucky to survive so much 
attention from lightning.&nbsp; I often wonder what has become of the young 
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think his name was and he was maybe around 14 at the time.&nbsp; It happened at 
a footie practice or match on the field near the&nbsp;Belrose ambulance station, 
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From: "Chas Osborn" <chasosborn at bigpond.com>
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Hello Everyone

With the cyclone season in rapid decline I found these maps and   I'm
surprised at the low frequency of cyclones especially over Madagascar!
 

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/climatology/tropical_cyclones/tro
pical_cycl.shtml  
 

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Hello Everyone

I'm looking for an annual snow map for Australia.
Snow days,
Amount,etc.

I have looked in the usual places but no luck.

regards

Chas
Bedourie Qld




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Subject: aus-wx: AGM Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society  (AMOS) Canberra Centre.


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Hi to all on the list ,particularly anyone in the Canberra/Capital Region.
AMOS Canberra Centre had its AGM tonight at ANU and heard Geoff Love , the 
boss of BOM give the talk on his work in Geneva and Greenhouse issues etc.A 
good night was had by all.We had a very good rollup!
See the AMOS web site for more details.
Gavin O'Brien
SSWW Gilmore Canberra

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