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From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Season Starts Nov 1- April 30
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 00:08:44 +1000
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Hi All,
     
       My Name is Shane.  May I just say that this is the best list I've
subscribed to.  Today marks the beginning of cyclone season.  With all
signs pointing to an El Nino event it maybe another slow year for
northern Australia.  I hope to see interesting events take place these
next 6 months and maybe a few close encounters too.  

Regards Shane.


Gold Coast Queensland
       


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From: "Simon Angell - www.canberra-wx.com" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 01:12:46 +1100
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Hi Phil and all,
hasn't been water upto the road in 6 or 7 years, went past in August and
could see it off in the distance, went past last weekend couldn't see it at
all this time, but it doesn't take much to fill it really, at its deapest
(when full) point its only like 10m (i think).

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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> "Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and the
> water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a puddle
> of water in the far distance.
> I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust is
> being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
> > wow!
> > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something you
> > would see
> > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> >
> > Matt Smith
> >
> > Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > weather did
> > > not take the digital.
> > >
> > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > localised dust
> > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in very
> > sharp
> > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > Looked quite
> > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > >
> > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown and
> > drought
> > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in comparison
> > ). This
> > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra trip,  a
> > sudden
> > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > >
> > > Some virga around 3.15 near Canberra too.
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From: "Simon Angell - www.canberra-wx.com" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
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Come across this just now,
http://www.webone.com.au/~dougsden/lg/lg.htm
Some nice pics fron OCT 2002 here.
And these
http://www.nexus.edu.au/ozprojects/wetlands/lake_george.htm

And this might be of interest to some.
http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/stories/s118097.htm
http://image.ce.adfa.edu.au/research/LakeGeorge/web_html.htm

Cheers
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:10 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
off
> South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
>
> PaulY
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
young
> lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
>
> Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> could not see how even then.
>
> I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
Like
> Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> wonder where the water went.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
around
> > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
Ness,
> > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> >
> >
> > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> >
> >
> > Liam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > >
> > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and the
> > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a puddle
> > >of water in the far distance.
> > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust
is
> > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > >
> > >Phil
> > ><><
> > >
> > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >
> > > > wow!
> > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something
you
> > > > would see
> > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > >
> > > > Matt Smith
> > > >
> > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > weather did
> > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > localised dust
> > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> very
> > > > sharp
> > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > Looked quite
> > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown and
> > > > drought
> > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
comparison
> > > > ). This
> > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra trip,
a
> > > > sudden
> > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > >
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From: "macdonald" <sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Deforestation & Effects on Climate
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:58:30 +1100
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<DIV>Hello All,</DIV>
<DIV>I have been reading a text and email that i received from 
the&nbsp;chief&nbsp;of the CSIRO Atmospheric Research devision.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have been interested in the effects of deforestation upon the regional 
climate. The New England is a perfect example, only have to look at the high 
basalt plateau around the Guyra- Ben Lomond area. I have seen photos of mother 
of ducks lagoon at Guyra in the early 1900s. It was thick with timber, and the 
lagoon was deep enough for a paddlesteamer. New England suffered from my dieback 
in the early 80s and late 70's, due to infestation of Christmas beetle larve... 
probably due to the high nutrient levels from the super phosphate. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The Guyra observer, Jeff, once said that he thinks that the winters in 
Guyra are not as cold as they used to be. It is hard know whether the climate is 
warming. I personaly believe that the climate goes through cycles. </DIV>
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<DIV>"If forests are removed and replaced by pasture, the reflectivity may rise 
by 10 % or more, depending on soil types ( dark soils would absorb more 
reflective light), vegetation that replaces the forest. Energy input to the 
region that is deforested is decreased, hence changing the regional 
climate.</DIV>
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<DIV>Forests on the earth's surface, cause areodynamic drag that slows the 
movement of air masses over the earth's surface.&nbsp; Removal of the forests 
and the replacement of them by pastures, leads to a signifcant change in drag 
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
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I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to 
ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).

Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of 
the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so, 
1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s. 

(It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower 
rainfall).

In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not 
sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.

Blair

> It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix off
> South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> 
> PaulY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> 
> 
> It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a young
> lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> 
> Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> could not see how even then.
> 
> I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones. Like
> Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> wonder where the water went.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> 
> 
> > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going around
> > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach Ness,
> > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> >
> >
> > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> >
> >
> > Liam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > >
> > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and the
> > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a puddle
> > >of water in the far distance.
> > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust is
> > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > >
> > >Phil
> > ><><
> > >
> > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >
> > > > wow!
> > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something you
> > > > would see
> > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > >
> > > > Matt Smith
> > > >
> > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > weather did
> > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > localised dust
> > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> very
> > > > sharp
> > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > Looked quite
> > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown and
> > > > drought
> > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in comparison
> > > > ). This
> > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra trip,  a
> > > > sudden
> > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > >
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<x-flowed>
Hi Blair,

Thanks for that tremendous insight even if it did destroy some tales.

Jimmy Deguara

At 12:23 PM 1/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
>New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
>of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
>ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
>in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
>during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
>
>Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
>multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
>the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
>1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
>dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
>dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
>
>(It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
>was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
>rainfall).
>
>In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
>sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
>
>Blair
>
> > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix off
> > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones. Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not 
> something you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra 
> trip,  a
> > > > > sudden
> > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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I remember going on a fieldtrip to Lake George in either 1st or 2nd year
Uni - we were taking soil cores from the northwestern shore of the Lake
(which during 1975/76 was very close to the road, with the ground being
generally sodden if I remember correctly - footrot was rife in the area) - I
remember the sleet that day, oddly far better than I remember the soil cores
<g>.  I'll dig out my history books and see what I can glean from the locah
historians of the region as there are a number of mentions of Lake George
and its disappearing act over the last ~100 years.

Jane
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> I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
> New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
> of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
> ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
> in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
> during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
>
> Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
> multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
> the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
> 1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
> dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
> dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
>
> (It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
> was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
> rainfall).
>
> In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
> sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
>
> Blair
>
> > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
off
> > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust
is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
> > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something
you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
trip,  a
> > > > > sudden
> > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > >
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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<snip>
We got Jeff kennet
> working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
off
> South Australia...LOL

<snip>
Similar story except my father said it was
> connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.

Looks like that Jeff Kennet is still up to his old tricks... Now he's
pinching whole *Cities* from South Australia!!! :(

:)  LOL

Regs. Paul.
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
off
> South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
>
> PaulY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
young
> lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
>
> Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> could not see how even then.
>
> I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
Like
> Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> wonder where the water went.



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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Evening all,

a little light reading about the Lake and the landscape in which it is
set, taken from the wonderful book "The Face of Australia" Charles F
Laseron 1957 (3 scanned pages)

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg1a.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg2a.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg3a.jpg

Jane

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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
young
> lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
>
> Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector
and
> could not see how even then.
>
> I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
Like
> Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> wonder where the water went.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
around
> > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
Ness,
> > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> >
> >
> > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> >
> >
> > Liam
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > >
> > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
the
> > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as
a
> > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
puddle
> > >of water in the far distance.
> > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the
dust is
> > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > >
> > >Phil
> > ><><
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> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >
> > > > wow!
> > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not
something you
> > > > would see
> > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > >
> > > > Matt Smith
> > > >
> > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > weather did
> > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > localised dust
> > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted
in
> very
> > > > sharp
> > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at
highest.
> > > > Looked quite
> > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
and
> > > > drought
> > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
comparison
> > > > ). This
> > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
trip,  a
> > > > sudden
> > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > >
> > > > > Some virga around 3.15 near Canberra too.
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: supercells... how to recognize them...?
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:57:27 +1100
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Some more interesting and thought provoking discussion borrowed from the
wx-chase list based in the USA for those of you who aren't
involved...seems that everyone's interested in the 'definition'........

<begin thread>
------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:49:18 -0500
From:    "Dickson, Dan" <Dan.Dickson at QWEST.COM>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

This might be is a stupid question, but I'm curious:  when stormchasing,
is there any way to visually know you are looking at a supercell, as
opposed to just a regular cell w/anvil etc.?  I remember reading in a
chase report that the chaser (i don't remember who or where this was)
could "see that the cell was supercellular".  Isn't the technical
definition just that the updraft is of a certain strength?  Are there
any indicators out in the field that a cell is a supercell?  What about
when looking at a radar image?

-=dan, so many dumb questions, so little time...

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:05:54 -0600
From:    Lon Curtis <curtis at VVM.COM>
Subject: supercells... how to recognize them...?

"Dickson, Dan" wrote:

> This might be is a stupid question, but I'm curious:  when
stormchasing, is
> there any way to visually know you are looking at a supercell, as
opposed to
> just a regular cell w/anvil etc.?  I remember reading in a chase
report that
> the chaser (i don't remember who or where this was) could "see that
the cell
> was supercellular".  Isn't the technical definition just that the
updraft is
> of a certain strength?  Are there any indicators out in the field that
a
> cell is a supercell?  What about when looking at a radar image?

=

    Let me answer the last question first ...

    The general definition of a supercell is a thunderstorm that has a
persistent mesocyclone. A mesocyclone can be detected by doppler radar
utilizing either algorithms that search the volume scan for velocity
data satisfying a predetermined structure, or by human interpretation of
velocity products, in particular, velocity products adjusted for
storm-relative motion. The presence of a mesocyclone can also be
inferred from radar imagery (not restricted to doppler data) showing the
presence of a persistent BWER (bounded weak echo region), which is
generally interpreted to depict the very intense updraft which causes
hydrometeors (rain, graupel, hail) to remain well aloft above the
updraft. A pendant or hook echo is often seen in association with
supercell storms. The hook echo is now thought to be caused by a thin
curtain of hydrometors (usually rain) wrapping around the "back" side of
the mesocyclone.

    I'll let everyone 'chew' on those thoughts while I work on the first
question.

Lon Curtis

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:14:40 -0600
From:    Lon Curtis <curtis at VVM.COM>
Subject: supercells... how to recognize them...?

"Dickson, Dan" wrote:

> This might be is a stupid question, but I'm curious:  when
stormchasing, is
> there any way to visually know you are looking at a supercell, as
opposed to
> just a regular cell w/anvil etc.?  I remember reading in a chase
report that
> the chaser (i don't remember who or where this was) could "see that
the cell
> was supercellular".  Isn't the technical definition just that the
updraft is
> of a certain strength?  Are there any indicators out in the field that
a
> cell is a supercell?  What about when looking at a radar image?

=

    Answering the initial question ...

    Probably the most useful visual clue that a storm is a supercell is
the presence of a PERSISTENT ROTATING wall cloud. I emphasize that the
wall cloud must be both persistent and rotating. The wall cloud is
thought to be the lower extension of the "rotating" updraft that is
detected by radar as a mesocyclone, so in one sense, you could say that
rotating wall cloud equals mesocyclone, and therefore, confirms a the
storm is a supercell. However, there are many supercells that do not
have a visible wall cloud, and some produce tornadoes without a visible
wall cloud.

    Other visual features that can HELP in identifying a supercell are:
overshooting top above intense convective tower, the presence of a
back-sheared anvil, often with knuckles protruding toward the upwind
side of the storm, inflow bands that appear to spiral into the storm
core, and striations of the main cloud tower that suggest rotation.

    There are probably others, and perhaps we will hear from others on
the list with their thoughts on this question.

Lon Curtis

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:23:43 -0800
From:    Michael Cohen <cohenftw at EV1.NET>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

Dan,

One major updraft is a good visual clue.Banding around the storm showing
rotation. Overshooting top with a smooth sharp anvil and knuckles on the
back side of the storm.How about a rainfree base with a rotating wall
cloud. Beaver tail with midlevel inflow jets. This is a good start.

Michael Cohen

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:47:12 +0000
From:    Shane Adams <shanestorm at HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

The main distinguising factor in my opinion, like Michael said, is ONE
updraft. You can have a severe multi-cell cluster happening with
numerous, vigorous updrafts.....but in various stages of development;
intensifying, mature, decaying, and everything in between. A supercell
updraft is dominant, rogue, and extremely volatile. Also, sometimes you
can discern a rotational characteristic in the updraft, which is
referred to loosely as a "barber pole", and sometimes you can actually
see the physical "lean" of this feature; the mid-upper level winds
blowing the top portion of the updraft further downwind than the bottom,
letting precip fall free of the updraft's heart, allowing warm moist air
to continously pour in (which is what keeps them humming along for hours
at a time). It's a truly beautiful and amazing process.

As far as supercell types, they all have the dominant updraft. Here are
some distinguishing factors found with each variety:

Classic: To me, one of the most tell-tale signs of a classic is the
presence of a distinct flanking line. Also, the rain/hail core will be
next to the updraft area, with a (possible) inflow feeder coming in from
the opposite side as the flanking line.

Low-precipitation: Where classics often have flanking lines, LPs often
have a "cut-off", or tiered edge. The inflow cascades up the the back
side into the updraft, creating a beautiful, sculpted edge.

High-precipitation: These are just big nasty blobs of rotating love.
Often times they'll have two precip areas, associated with both their
RFD and FFD. They don't like to follow the classic supercell pattern of
rain/heavy
rain/hail/giant/hail/tornado. These guys can put down a love tube on
their front flank or their RFD, and they don't always give you warning
signs like hail before the tornado. Ask anyone who was driving down I-40
near Lela, TX on June 11, 1997.

These are just a few observations that I've noted from personal
experience; I'm sure some of the veteran guys could greatly expound on
this. Looking foward to seeing some of those posts.


Shane Adams
http://www.passiontwist.net

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:10:47 -0600
From:    Lon Curtis <curtis at VVM.COM>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

Shane Adams wrote:

> The main distinguising factor in my opinion, like Michael said, is ONE
> updraft. You can have a severe multi-cell cluster happening with
numerous,
> vigorous updrafts.....but in various stages of development;
intensifying,
> mature, decaying, and everything in between. A supercell updraft is
> dominant, rogue, and extremely volatile.

=

     I beg to differ on this "one" updraft concept. The question was
about visual and radar clues for identifying a supercell and I don't
think it helps anyone to suggest that you can discern how many updrafts
a storm has visually, although sometimes a very talented radar operator
may be able to do so using the many tools associated with doppler radar.
Updrafts are mostly composed of air containing water vapor and neither
the human eye nor radar (in reflectivity mode) detect water vapor. In
fact, the flanking line cited by Shane is composed of cloud features
that contain water vapor that has been condensed (into fine particles of
water, what we call "clouds"). Within these features, there are distinct
updrafts that may be carrying water vapor high into the atmosphere (and
at very high velocities), but the human eye sees only the condensed
water in the form of clouds.

    I would subscribe to the notion that the supercell represents a
storm that has single "dominant"  updraft. But keep in mind that in some
instances, the flanking line may feed replacement updrafts into the
supercell storm, with each succeeding updraft becoming the "dominant"
updraft.

Lon Curtis

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:07:07 -0600
From:    Sam Barricklow <k5kj at PULSE.NET>
Subject: VLF Lightning Sounds and supercell appearance

Since chasing is slow, here is something for chasers who are also
lightning buffs.

Listen to the audio files at:

http://www.spaceweathersounds.com/sndbites.htm

And, go to the following URL to see a supercell from start to finish:

http://www.k5kj.net/010601.htm
and
http://www.k5kj.net/990503.htm

Note the hard edge to the anvil and the inflow band extending to the
left:
http://www.k5kj.net/99053101.jpg

The hard anvil edge is apparent on several images at:
http://www.k5kj.net/990516.htm

And, for rotating updrafts, check this one out:
http://www.k5kj.net/lamesa06.jpg

Here's a supercell at night.  This one was producing a 1/2 mile wide
tornado at the time.
http://www.k5kj.net/920615cx.jpg
more are at
http://www.k5kj.net/920615.htm

Sam

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:15:09 -0800
From:    Bill Combes <billcombes at YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

Definition from the NWS in Norman:

*Supercell - A thunderstorm with a persistent rotating updraft.
Supercells are rare, but are responsible for a remarkably high
percentage of severe weather events - especially tornadoes, extremely
large hail and damaging straight-line winds. They frequently travel to
the right of the main environmental winds (i.e., they are right movers).
Radar characteristics often (but not always) include a hook or pendant,
bounded weak echo region (BWER), V-notch, mesocyclone, and sometimes a
TVS. Visual characteristics often include a rain-free base (with or
without a wall cloud), tail cloud, flanking line, overshooting top, and
back-sheared anvil, all of which normally are observed in or near the
right rear or southwest part of the storm (Fig. 7). Storms exhibiting
these characteristics often are called classic supercells; however HP
storms (Fig. 3) and LP storms (Fig. 5) also are supercell varieties
####


I want to comment on the use of the term supercell without getting
flamed.  In my opinion, the term is used more often than it should be.
I've seen small storms with a rain free base described as a supercell
just because it had a rain free base.  I use a
combination of techniques in my analysis of whether or not a storm is
exhibiting supercellular characteristics.  Satellite really helps in my
opinion. Radar, storm motion, and visuals combined are a great way to
make a determination.

Anyhow, there are a few great papers by Doswell on this topic.  Great
discussion for the off season.

- Bill Combes
www.f5tornadosafaris.com
www.anythingweather.com

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Date:    Fri, 1 Nov 2002 02:22:22 +0000
From:    Shane Adams <shanestorm at HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

<<<I would subscribe to the notion that the supercell represents a storm
that has single "dominant"  updraft.>>>

That's what I was referring to. Perhaps I should've made myself more
clear. I used the multicell updraft comparison to show that supercells
have one dominant updraft VS the multiple updrafts in a multicell.


<<<The question was about visual and radar clues for identifying a
supercell and I don't think it helps anyone to suggest that you can
discern how many updrafts a storm has visually, although sometimes a
very talented radar operator may be able to do so using the many tools
associated with doppler radar.>>>

You don't think describing how to identify dominant supercell updrafts
is helpful as a visual clue? It's very possible to discern a dominant
supercell updraft visually, otherwise there wouldn't be a lot of
successful chasers. And if someone can show a new chaser how to identify
a dominant updraft in the field, then I'd say that person has been
helped along pretty well.


Shane Adams
http://www.passiontwist.net

------------------------------

Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:56:17 -0500
From:    Ed Verkaik <verkaik at SYMPATICO.CA>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

From: "Bill Combes" <billcombes at YAHOO.COM>
> I want to comment on the use of the term supercell
> without getting flamed.  In my opinion, the term is
> used more often than it should be.

Both "supercell" and "wall cloud" are regularly overused, even by some
veteran chasetrs. It's only human nature for a chaser to want a storm or
lowering to be this way. Exaggeration is part of the story, even when
we're talking to ourselves!

Up close under a supercell, most of the proof depends on the wall cloud
or other evidence of rotation. Most other features can occur with
intense multicell or even pulse storms. Factors like longevity, size,
and motion (deviant) are fairly convincing but features like overshoot,
knuckles, etc. are often brief and associated with one particularly
strong phase in a storm. Persistence is key.

From a distance, the clues are tougher. The anvil's smoothness (no
"flakes"), sharpness and density (dark near edge) and uniformity are
good clues. Supercells also have very persistent static, with lots of
shorter crackles, and uniform activity over time. If you can see the
updraft region, towers rising in the main updraft are often very close
together, i.e. they are steeply "staircased." A short flanking line is
also a good indicator, especially for LP supercells. A sharp backsheared
anvil is good as long as you know winds aloft are strong, since anvils
will spread upwind easily in lighter flow (like summer).

I would add that supercells tend to be fairly "tidy" and concentrated in
appearance. All visible elements line up, belong together, seem to be
operating as one system. Strong storms have subsidence around them that
cause smaller cumulus to evaporate. A sudden decrease in smaller clouds
near a storm may indicate the onset of a severe phase.

If all else fails, you can wait for Weatheradio tornado warnings.  :-)
EdV

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Date:    Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:49:04 -0600
From:    Chris Novy <chris at SIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: supercells... how to recognize them...?

Ed Verkaik <verkaik at SYMPATICO.CA> writes...

>Both "supercell" and "wall cloud" are regularly overused, even by some
>veteran chasetrs. It's only human nature for a chaser to want a storm
or
>lowering to be this way. Exaggeration is part of the story, even when
>we're talking to ourselves!

Ed makes an excellent point and it's one I plan on addressing more in my
SKYWARN talks next year  --assuming the next ice age hasn't arrived.
I've seen a tendency for spotters and chasers to automatically label any
big storm which is not a squall line as being a supercell. In term of
spotting this isn't directly a problem since NWS does not issue
supercell warnings.  Where I've seen trouble, however, is when spotters
assume they are looking at a supercell and then try to fit what they are
actually
seeing with the conceptual model of  supercell.  Here, a roll cloud
(outflow-related) is perceived as a beavers tail (inflow-related) and
isolated lowerings become wall clouds.  A patch of lighter sky becomes a
clear slot.  Once a spotter is convinced that his/her storm is something
special it's my belief that they are more likely to interpret other
features such as dust and low hanging clouds as signs of tornado
development.

When training spotters I'm always careful to stress that they watch
things for a while and that they don't jump to conclusions based on a
single observation.  For instance, while power flashes can be associated
with tornadoes striking power lines they can also be caused by
lightning-related power surges, wind-blown trees with overgrown branches
making contact with the lines, and even drunk drivers striking phone
poles.   Low clouds with rotation may or may not be a wall cloud and
even if they *are* a wall cloud the rotation may not be significant in
and of itself.

Since most  of the storms I get to see are HP in nature and have little
if any visible structure, I tend to rely a lot of radar to get an idea
what's going on.  Products like SWIFT, StormLab, and WeatherTap can
really be helpful in determining what exactly you are looking at ad
positioning yourself in the right part of the storm to see a tornado and
avoid being slammed by hail.

For me, I chase to see interesting clouds.  Tornadoes are
incidental --andb rare.  I'm less interested in what kind of storm I'm
looking at and more interested in being in a position to get good stable
video of it and keep up with it.

..Chris..

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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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It used to actually support a fishery !

Now where those fish hole up during the dry times has me wondering.

If it were 20 to 30 metres deeper it probably would start overflowing into
Mulwaree Ponds or some other river near Goulburn.

Michael

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From: "Blair Trewin" <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
> New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
> of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
> ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
> in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
> during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
>
> Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
> multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
> the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
> 1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
> dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
> dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
>
> (It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
> was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
> rainfall).
>
> In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
> sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
>
> Blair
>
> > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
off
> > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust
is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
> > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something
you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
trip,  a
> > > > > sudden
> > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some virga around 3.15 near Canberra too.
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:34:20 +1100
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Thanks for those Links !

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Angell - www.canberra-wx.com" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> Come across this just now,
> http://www.webone.com.au/~dougsden/lg/lg.htm
> Some nice pics fron OCT 2002 here.
> And these
> http://www.nexus.edu.au/ozprojects/wetlands/lake_george.htm
>
> And this might be of interest to some.
> http://www.abc.net.au/quantum/stories/s118097.htm
> http://image.ce.adfa.edu.au/research/LakeGeorge/web_html.htm
>
> Cheers
> ---------------------------------
> Simon Angell
> Canberra, ACT
> www.canberra-wx.com
> ---------------------------------------------
> Proud member of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association.
> www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 11:10 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix
> off
> > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
> young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
> Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
> around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
> Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust
> is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
> > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something
> you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
> comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
trip,
> a
> > > > > sudden
> > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some virga around 3.15 near Canberra too.
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:42:04 +1100
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Thanks Jane, that sounds like one interesting book !!

Michael

----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> Evening all,
>
> a little light reading about the Lake and the landscape in which it is
> set, taken from the wonderful book "The Face of Australia" Charles F
> Laseron 1957 (3 scanned pages)
>
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg1a.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg2a.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Archives/lakeg3a.jpg
>
> Jane
>
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 10:53 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
> young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector
> and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
> Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
> around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
> Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
> the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as
> a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
> puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the
> dust is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
> > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not
> something you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted
> in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at
> highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
> and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
> comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
> trip,  a
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Hi all,

Channel 10 late news had some damage footage from weak Tornadoes (coldies)
associated with last nights vigorous frontal passage through Perth.
Significant structural damage occurred in Mt. Pleasant and Thornlie (again)
in narrow strips.

I called up my folks who live in Thornlie.., said it started to rain, then
there was a awesome roaring noise like a line of gravel trucks going past
and a humungous wind that bent all the trees double in different directions.
Lasted only a few minutes then it just rained with normal gusty wind, total
22mm.  Some lightning and distant thunder.   "Never seen anything like it"
said Mum who was looking out the window to see what all the noise was about.

Congratulations to Channel 10 for describing the events as tornadoes and
even managing to completely avoid the "mini" prefix!  (Personally I still
prefer "Cock-eyed bobs", LOL)

John.

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:18:50 +1000
From: Tim Eckert <timeckert at austarnet.com.au>
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I have to say I have nice timing. I'm currently 
spending a week working in Adelaide, and have timed 
it well to encounter one of the best storm set-ups in 
Adelaide for probably a couple of years.
No sleep so far for many of us and the sun will be 
soon getting up...
The first line of storms hit Adelaide at approx. 2.30am 
or so - mainly in southern and coastal suburbs. 
Quickly afterwards another lot of storms developed in 
less than 20 minutes to the north of the city to my 
delight. In just 2 radar frames the inital cell went from 
nothing to red just to my north. I recieved small hail 
and severe wind gusts plus numerous close Cgs. I 
hope the photos turn out...
Currently (4.45am) a very nice looking squall line 
stretches from Kangaroo Island to Port Augusta and 
should hit Adelaide within about an hour.
Will update later on... plus I'm sure others will as well.
Regards,
Tim Eckert.
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:26:15 +1000
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Also, an interesting point of note is Adelaide's 
minimum temperature. So far it hasnt gone below 
24.8C and is currently back up to 27.1 at 4.50am 
which I think is almost unheard of... Would be 
interesting to see what the minimum ends up being 
and how far off the November record it is?? From 
memory I think the all time record is about 29 or 30C 
but no idea what November's is?
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:20:52 +1100
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Time
Adelaide does have hot nights quite often.
It had a min of 29.0 on 2 November 1987; its November record is 30.2 in
1922 all time record 33.5 in Jan 1982.
Don White

Tim Eckert wrote:
> 
> Also, an interesting point of note is Adelaide's
> minimum temperature. So far it hasnt gone below
> 24.8C and is currently back up to 27.1 at 4.50am
> which I think is almost unheard of... Would be
> interesting to see what the minimum ends up being
> and how far off the November record it is?? From
> memory I think the all time record is about 29 or 30C
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:06:27 +1000
From: Tim Eckert <timeckert at austarnet.com.au>
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Thanks Don for that...

The squall line has moved through Adelaide now with 
some great Cg crawlers, mostly dry storms again so i 
hope it doesnt start to many fires.

Tim.


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>Time
>Adelaide does have hot nights quite often.
>It had a min of 29.0 on 2 November 1987; its 
November record is 30.2 in
>1922 all time record 33.5 in Jan 1982.
>Don White
>
>Tim Eckert wrote:
>> 
>> Also, an interesting point of note is Adelaide's
>> minimum temperature. So far it hasnt gone below
>> 24.8C and is currently back up to 27.1 at 4.50am
>> which I think is almost unheard of... Would be
>> interesting to see what the minimum ends up being
>> and how far off the November record it is?? From
>> memory I think the all time record is about 29 or 
30C
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings from the Natural State:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heres the weather for Mena, Arkansas for October, 
2002:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Avg. High: 66.5F(19.1C)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Avg. Low: 50.0F(10.0C)</FONT></DIV>
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is actually keeping the very cold air to our north). The fall foliage here is 
starting to look very good. Wish ya'll were here.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:46:02 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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When chasing it is essential to keep track of the time so that you can 
accurately write up your reports later.
It is also essential to bring your laptop with a satellite Internet 
connection to keep up with the latest weather developments.
Now you can save the weight of carrying both a laptop and a wristwatch...
After years of work, computer science graduate students at the
University of Poland have finally finished their Internet-based
digital clock:

http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html

Phil
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Channel 7 did a good report here in Perth as well.  They even had some
animated graphics illustrating theyre commentary.  24 houses were damaged.

John Roenfeldt

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> Hi all,
>
> Channel 10 late news had some damage footage from weak Tornadoes (coldies)
> associated with last nights vigorous frontal passage through Perth.
> Significant structural damage occurred in Mt. Pleasant and Thornlie
(again)
> in narrow strips.
>
> I called up my folks who live in Thornlie.., said it started to rain, then
> there was a awesome roaring noise like a line of gravel trucks going past
> and a humungous wind that bent all the trees double in different
directions.
> Lasted only a few minutes then it just rained with normal gusty wind,
total
> 22mm.  Some lightning and distant thunder.   "Never seen anything like it"
> said Mum who was looking out the window to see what all the noise was
about.
>
> Congratulations to Channel 10 for describing the events as tornadoes and
> even managing to completely avoid the "mini" prefix!  (Personally I still
> prefer "Cock-eyed bobs", LOL)
>
> John.
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At 08:46 AM 2/11/2002 +0800, you wrote:

>When chasing it is essential to keep track of the time so that you can
>accurately write up your reports later.
>It is also essential to bring your laptop with a satellite Internet
>connection to keep up with the latest weather developments.

Well, I'm working on a way to put some obs (especially storm locations) 
onto the airwaves, so instead of a satellite connection, all you will need 
is a scanning receiver to team up with the laptop, and a bit of free 
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>Now you can save the weight of carrying both a laptop and a wristwatch...
>After years of work, computer science graduate students at the
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LOL, I like it! :)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Tim Eckert wrote:

> I have to say I have nice timing. I'm currently
> spending a week working in Adelaide, and have timed
> it well to encounter one of the best storm set-ups in
> Adelaide for probably a couple of years.
> No sleep so far for many of us and the sun will be
> soon getting up...
> The first line of storms hit Adelaide at approx. 2.30am
> or so - mainly in southern and coastal suburbs.
> Quickly afterwards another lot of storms developed in
> less than 20 minutes to the north of the city to my
> delight. In just 2 radar frames the inital cell went from
> nothing to red just to my north. I recieved small hail
> and severe wind gusts plus numerous close Cgs. I
> hope the photos turn out...
> Currently (4.45am) a very nice looking squall line
> stretches from Kangaroo Island to Port Augusta and
> should hit Adelaide within about an hour.
> Will update later on... plus I'm sure others will as well.
> Regards,
> Tim Eckert.
> (currently at Elizabeth, Adelaide)
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Hi :)

Had  two massive thunderstorms pass over me at Kurralta Park early this
morning (02;25) and (03,15 am). The first storm lightning  followed by the
claps of thunder shook my house to the foundations and I lost power for 10
minutes. The storm passed directly overhead heading SE towards Strathalbyn.
The second cell passed NE of me over Pt. Adelaide heading over Para Hills and
points east. I recorded only a trace of rain.

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From: "twc" <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Hi Tony, are you thinking of using Packet?
Cheers,
Paul

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At 08:46 AM 2/11/2002 +0800, you wrote:

>When chasing it is essential to keep track of the time so that you can 
>accurately write up your reports later. It is also essential to bring 
>your laptop with a satellite Internet connection to keep up with the 
>latest weather developments.

Well, I'm working on a way to put some obs (especially storm locations) 
onto the airwaves, so instead of a satellite connection, all you will
need 
is a scanning receiver to team up with the laptop, and a bit of free 
software.  No ongoing charges, and being receive only, no licence
required.

>Now you can save the weight of carrying both a laptop and a 
>wristwatch... After years of work, computer science graduate students 
>at the University of Poland have finally finished their Internet-based 
>digital clock:


LOL, I like it! :)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
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> 
> It used to actually support a fishery !
> 
> Now where those fish hole up during the dry times has me wondering.
> 
> If it were 20 to 30 metres deeper it probably would start overflowing into
> Mulwaree Ponds or some other river near Goulburn.
> 
> Michael
> 

Actually into the Yass catchment at Geary's Gap (SW side), IIRC.

Blair
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>Hi Tony, are you thinking of using Packet?

Yeah, more specifically, APRS.  Have to get the TNC hooked up to the radio 
and it'll fire up nicely. :)

APRS is unconnected "broadcast" mode, so it can be monitored easily.

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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How many rain days did the rain fall on Dave ?

At my location on the NSW North Coast, I recorded 39.0mm on 6 days for Oct, 
almost all of which fell during Sunday 27th. YTD 827.0mm on 102 days. 
Normal for this part of the world from 1 Jan to 31 Oct is about 1600mm, so 
we're only around 50 per cent.  The main storage dam is now at 33 % of 
capacity. It's never been anywhere near this low before.

cheers, Michael


At 05:54 PM 1/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:

>Greetings from the Natural State:
>Heres the weather for Mena, Arkansas for October, 2002:
>
>Avg. High: 66.5F(19.1C)
>Avg. Low: 50.0F(10.0C)
>         High: 87F(30.5C), Oct. 2
>         Low: 36F(2.2C), Oct. 15
>Rain for Month: 8.00IN(203.2mm)
>                      (+2.90IN/+73.6mm)
>Rain for year: 54.20IN(1,376.6mm)
>                      (+6.90IN/+175.2mm)
>We've seen very little sunshine from Oct. 19-31+, an unusually long cloudy 
>period, due to an active Subtropical Jet Stream (which is actually keeping 
>the very cold air to our north). The fall foliage here is starting to look 
>very good. Wish ya'll were here.
>Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy November.
>Yours   (trying to do a Sun dance) David Powell


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G'Day Michael: The rain fell on 12 days in 
October. We only need less than a half-inch more 
to assure another year of above normal rainfall. 
(I'll try to do a Raindance for you).
Best(Wet)Wishes   David Powell

> 
> How many rain days did the rain fall on Dave ?
> 
> At my location on the NSW North Coast, I 
recorded 39.0mm on 6 days for Oct, 
> almost all of which fell during Sunday 27th. 
YTD 827.0mm on 102 days. 
> Normal for this part of the world from 1 Jan to 
31 Oct is about 1600mm, so 
> we're only around 50 per cent.  The main 
storage dam is now at 33 % of 
> capacity. It's never been anywhere near this 
low before.
> 
> cheers, Michael
> 
> 
> At 05:54 PM 1/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >Greetings from the Natural State:
> >Heres the weather for Mena, Arkansas for 
October, 2002:
> >
> >Avg. High: 66.5F(19.1C)
> >Avg. Low: 50.0F(10.0C)
> >         High: 87F(30.5C), Oct. 2
> >         Low: 36F(2.2C), Oct. 15
> >Rain for Month: 8.00IN(203.2mm)
> >                      (+2.90IN/+73.6mm)
> >Rain for year: 54.20IN(1,376.6mm)
> >                      (+6.90IN/+175.2mm)
> >We've seen very little sunshine from Oct. 19-
31+, an unusually long cloudy 
> >period, due to an active Subtropical Jet 
Stream (which is actually keeping 
> >the very cold air to our north). The fall 
foliage here is starting to look 
> >very good. Wish ya'll were here.
> >Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy November.
> >Yours   (trying to do a Sun dance) David Powell
> 
> 
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I can't recall a decent rain here this month, only the muddy rain a couple
weeks back. i suspect that we didn't recieve the average rain this month,
but we are now into novemeber and interestingly enough in the last 3 years
November is the only month to have above Average rainfall in all 3 years,
hopefully it will continue into a Fourth.

Some intersting rainfall stats happening this year, for YTD (to end
September) we 17.9mm Above average (due to Febuarary's 211mm)
But for March to september we are 104mm Down on average with only 2 months
recording Above average rainfall (1.1mm in June and 5.5mm in Septmeber).
I suspect that October's deficit will all but wipe out any benifit with YTD.
Interesting the Bom Commented on Evaporation earlier this week, we lost over
double the daily expected Evap on 2 consecutive days, with over 12mm evap'd
daily instead of the average 6mm daily.., Just another testimate to El-Nino
and how dry the airmass has been recently.

Today on the other hand although still dry, the Easterly seabreeze came in
Yesterday day evening driving the Dp from -6.5 to 9.0 in 1 hour, bringin
Stratus Cover wind has tended to hang around all day limit max temp below
25C (forecast was 30C) and Dp has remained relativly steady around 9C, there
is a slight Possibiltiy of Some precip and Thunder tonight/Sun Morning but
im not getting my hope up too much.

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> How many rain days did the rain fall on Dave ?
>
> At my location on the NSW North Coast, I recorded 39.0mm on 6 days for
Oct,
> almost all of which fell during Sunday 27th. YTD 827.0mm on 102 days.
> Normal for this part of the world from 1 Jan to 31 Oct is about 1600mm, so
> we're only around 50 per cent.  The main storage dam is now at 33 % of
> capacity. It's never been anywhere near this low before.
>
> cheers, Michael
>
>
> At 05:54 PM 1/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >Greetings from the Natural State:
> >Heres the weather for Mena, Arkansas for October, 2002:
> >
> >Avg. High: 66.5F(19.1C)
> >Avg. Low: 50.0F(10.0C)
> >         High: 87F(30.5C), Oct. 2
> >         Low: 36F(2.2C), Oct. 15
> >Rain for Month: 8.00IN(203.2mm)
> >                      (+2.90IN/+73.6mm)
> >Rain for year: 54.20IN(1,376.6mm)
> >                      (+6.90IN/+175.2mm)
> >We've seen very little sunshine from Oct. 19-31+, an unusually long
cloudy
> >period, due to an active Subtropical Jet Stream (which is actually
keeping
> >the very cold air to our north). The fall foliage here is starting to
look
> >very good. Wish ya'll were here.
> >Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy November.
> >Yours   (trying to do a Sun dance) David Powell
>
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:57:33 +1000
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Hi everyone,

I'm a little puzzled at the Sydney forecast.  I was writing up scripts
for TV when I came across the forecast with no fire dangers.  Checking
the Illawarra forecast (very high to extreme fire danger), and the
Hunter forecast (extreme fire danger), and sighting that the forecast
was for tops up to 38C in the west with 20-30 knot NW winds, I phoned up
the Sydney BoM to see if there was a mistake.  I was informed by one of
the forecasters that there was no fire danger for Sydney tomorrow, but
they'll review it later this evening???  Yet for tonight (temps in the
low 20s) they have a very high fire danger, but not for tomorrow?  

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 3:34pm on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002

For Sunday   

Very warm to hot north to northwest winds ahead of cooler late 
southerly  change. Slight risk of an afternoon thunderstorm. 


Precis For Sunday                              Min      Max

Sydney:     Very warm ahead of late S change    17       30
Liverpool:  Hot ahead of S change              15       37 
Richmond:   Hot ahead of S change              14       38 

UV Index:   2 [Extreme], decreasing to 8 [High] under cloud 

I don't understand...

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Now this frustrates me again...after talking to a forecast explicitly
asking if there were a fire danger and being told "no" (I even asked him
twice!)  This just got issued a couple of minutes ago...now was the
forecaster I spoke to "out of the loop" and didn't know that there were
38C and 20-30knot NW winds forecast for tomorrow, or is this bad
management?

This frustrates people...(it's frustrated me)

IDN22000
NSW FIRE WEATHER WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1652 on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
for  Saturday the 2nd of November 2002 

Hot, dry and windy conditions are expected to cause VERY HIGH TO
EXTREME FIRE DANGER in the following weather forecast districts
today:

North West Slopes and Plains,Central West Slopes, Hunter,
Metropolitan, Illawarra,
South Coast, Central Tablelands, Southern Tablelands.

TOTAL FIRE BAN 

The Commissioner, NSW Rural Fire Service has TOTALLY BANNED THE
LIGHTING OF FIRES until midnight tonight [Saturday 2nd November 2002]
in the following weather forecast districts: 

North West Slopes and Plains,
Central West Slopes,
Hunter, 
Metropolitan,
Illawarra, 
South Coast, 
Central Tablelands,
 Southern Tablelenads.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Just thought I would fix a few errors in my last 
post</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>&gt; Today on the other hand although still dry, the 
Easterly seabreeze came in<BR>&gt; Yesterday day evening driving the Dp from 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That Should have said...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Today on the other hand although still dry, the Easterly 
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So the forecast office say no Fire danger?
yet the FWW and TFB cover the Metro distric and all surrounding districts.
Somebody  needs to go over the fire danger meter again....

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> Now this frustrates me again...after talking to a forecast explicitly
> asking if there were a fire danger and being told "no" (I even asked him
> twice!)  This just got issued a couple of minutes ago...now was the
> forecaster I spoke to "out of the loop" and didn't know that there were
> 38C and 20-30knot NW winds forecast for tomorrow, or is this bad
> management?
>
> This frustrates people...(it's frustrated me)
>
> IDN22000
> NSW FIRE WEATHER WARNING
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 1652 on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
> for  Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
>
> Hot, dry and windy conditions are expected to cause VERY HIGH TO
> EXTREME FIRE DANGER in the following weather forecast districts
> today:
>
> North West Slopes and Plains,Central West Slopes, Hunter,
> Metropolitan, Illawarra,
> South Coast, Central Tablelands, Southern Tablelands.
>
> TOTAL FIRE BAN
>
> The Commissioner, NSW Rural Fire Service has TOTALLY BANNED THE
> LIGHTING OF FIRES until midnight tonight [Saturday 2nd November 2002]
> in the following weather forecast districts:
>
> North West Slopes and Plains,
> Central West Slopes,
> Hunter,
> Metropolitan,
> Illawarra,
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Anthony Cornelius wrote
> I don't understand...
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 3:34pm on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
> For Sunday
> Very warm to hot north to northwest winds ahead of cooler late
> southerly  change. Slight risk of an afternoon thunderstorm.

also, from ABC, today's forecast reads
> A band of cloud extends from the Kimberley across southeast Australia to
the Bight along a trough, bringing
> scattered showers and thunderstorms to SA, VIC and NSW. Cloud increasing
for TAS with thundery rain >developing.

Readers may remember my prediction for potential for rain in NSW on or about
2nd/3rd.
I have no wish to open up dead debate, but perhaps now it will be understood
what I was advocating. Whether or not it actually rains does not detract
from the potential, which is what I was trying to demonstrate my forecasting
method can throw up. The fact that the BoM itself has also now picked up on
this potential indicates some agreement, only I clearly knew about it well
before they did and without the use of fancy equipment, unless you call a
ruler, a pen and an ephemeris high tech..
The dedicated and desperate efforts to prove me wrong have been misplaced
because the successful prediction of potential cannot be measured. If I am
wrong about the next couple of days then the BoM is too, so (phew)I am at
last in good company.
cheers
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Michael, to answer your question more fully: 
We've had 74 Raindays in 2002. While I was away 
on vacation(holiday-June 25 to July 6) Mena had 
2.30IN(58.4mm)rain; I do not know how many days 
were involved in this case. But, if you take that 
total rain away, I can say of a certainty that 
51.90IN(1,318.2mm) fell on 74 days (including the 
snowfall on Feb. 5&6). If the rainstorm carries 
over past midnight into the next day, I count 
both days as raindays--emptying my raingauge at 
12:01 A.M. I wish I could send ya'll some of our 
surplus rain! Mabye if a bunch of ya'll would 
wash their cars, plan a cookout/yard sale etc, 
that you could cause it to rain! (It works here).

> G'Day Michael: The rain fell on 12 days in 
> October. We only need less than a half-inch 
more 
> to assure another year of above normal 
rainfall. 
> (I'll try to do a Raindance for you).
> Best(Wet)Wishes   David Powell
> 
> > 
> > How many rain days did the rain fall on Dave ?
> > 
> > At my location on the NSW North Coast, I 
> recorded 39.0mm on 6 days for Oct, 
> > almost all of which fell during Sunday 27th. 
> YTD 827.0mm on 102 days. 
> > Normal for this part of the world from 1 Jan 
to 
> 31 Oct is about 1600mm, so 
> > we're only around 50 per cent.  The main 
> storage dam is now at 33 % of 
> > capacity. It's never been anywhere near this 
> low before.
> > 
> > cheers, Michael
> > 
> > 
> > At 05:54 PM 1/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > 
> > >Greetings from the Natural State:
> > >Heres the weather for Mena, Arkansas for 
> October, 2002:
> > >
> > >Avg. High: 66.5F(19.1C)
> > >Avg. Low: 50.0F(10.0C)
> > >         High: 87F(30.5C), Oct. 2
> > >         Low: 36F(2.2C), Oct. 15
> > >Rain for Month: 8.00IN(203.2mm)
> > >                      (+2.90IN/+73.6mm)
> > >Rain for year: 54.20IN(1,376.6mm)
> > >                      (+6.90IN/+175.2mm)
> > >We've seen very little sunshine from Oct. 19-
> 31+, an unusually long cloudy 
> > >period, due to an active Subtropical Jet 
> Stream (which is actually keeping 
> > >the very cold air to our north). The fall 
> foliage here is starting to look 
> > >very good. Wish ya'll were here.
> > >Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy November.
> > >Yours   (trying to do a Sun dance) David 
Powell
> > 
> > 
> >   
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> http://lightningphotography.com/
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From: "twc" <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:56:41 +1100
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There is a potential for rain every day.

Matt Pearce

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> Anthony Cornelius wrote
> > I don't understand...
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> > Issued at 3:34pm on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
> > For Sunday
> > Very warm to hot north to northwest winds ahead of cooler late
> > southerly  change. Slight risk of an afternoon thunderstorm.
>
> also, from ABC, today's forecast reads
> > A band of cloud extends from the Kimberley across southeast Australia to
> the Bight along a trough, bringing
> > scattered showers and thunderstorms to SA, VIC and NSW. Cloud increasing
> for TAS with thundery rain >developing.
>
> Readers may remember my prediction for potential for rain in NSW on or
about
> 2nd/3rd.
> I have no wish to open up dead debate, but perhaps now it will be
understood
> what I was advocating. Whether or not it actually rains does not detract
> from the potential, which is what I was trying to demonstrate my
forecasting
> method can throw up. The fact that the BoM itself has also now picked up
on
> this potential indicates some agreement, only I clearly knew about it well
> before they did and without the use of fancy equipment, unless you call a
> ruler, a pen and an ephemeris high tech..
> The dedicated and desperate efforts to prove me wrong have been misplaced
> because the successful prediction of potential cannot be measured. If I am
> wrong about the next couple of days then the BoM is too, so (phew)I am at
> last in good company.
> cheers
> Ken
>
>
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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I suspect it's for the same reason you see simultaneous severe thunderstorm
warnings for the Hunter, Illawarra and central tablelands but not Sydney. I
don't know what the reason is, but there's a curious coincidence of policy
operating here?
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> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm a little puzzled at the Sydney forecast.  I was writing up scripts
> for TV when I came across the forecast with no fire dangers.  Checking
> the Illawarra forecast (very high to extreme fire danger), and the
> Hunter forecast (extreme fire danger), and sighting that the forecast
> was for tops up to 38C in the west with 20-30 knot NW winds, I phoned up
> the Sydney BoM to see if there was a mistake.  I was informed by one of
> the forecasters that there was no fire danger for Sydney tomorrow, but
> they'll review it later this evening???  Yet for tonight (temps in the
> low 20s) they have a very high fire danger, but not for tomorrow?
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 3:34pm on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
>
> For Sunday
>
> Very warm to hot north to northwest winds ahead of cooler late
> southerly  change. Slight risk of an afternoon thunderstorm.
>
>
> Precis For Sunday                              Min      Max
>
> Sydney:     Very warm ahead of late S change    17       30
> Liverpool:  Hot ahead of S change              15       37
> Richmond:   Hot ahead of S change              14       38
>
> UV Index:   2 [Extreme], decreasing to 8 [High] under cloud
>
> I don't understand...
>
> AC
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It's going OFF here in VIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The NW is COVERED by strikes on the tracker.  Some isolated cells now firing 
just to the NW of Melb.  Could be a great night!!!!!!



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Hey All,

Well, this afternoon turned out to be a disappointment. Nothing worth
chasing really. I ended up in the Grampians for the day to do some nature
photography with a mate before we left Halls Gap to head back to Horsham.
Approximately 15km South of Horsham, we seen the first CG strike from a line
that was developing to the West.

Anyway, to cut a short story even shorter, a few strobing CG's were
witnessed West of Green Lake, caught them on video, and then drove home
while some CG's dropped behind and to the side of us.

Here at the moment, we've just had a storm to the South with a few flangs,
but nothing interesting really. Mind you, as I type, I just got another
rumble to the West. All up, nothing worth chasing IMO.

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From: "Michael Andrews" <mixmail at bigpond.net.au>
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I'm just heading out to the bay to see if we can see anything roll in.
Then perhaps back up to Mt Dandenong depending what happens with the
storm.....

Hopefully will get to add some images to my lonely 2 lightning shots....

Cheers,

Michael
www.michaelsphotography.net


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It's going OFF here in VIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The NW is COVERED by strikes on the tracker.  Some isolated cells now
firing 
just to the NW of Melb.  Could be a great night!!!!!!



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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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easy, Go here www.canberra-wx.com/chat/

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> HI, how do I get into the weather chat in MIRC.... I had a reformat and
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> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Paul Yole
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:11 PM
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> Subject: aus-wx: Western Vic storms 11/02
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> Well, this afternoon turned out to be a disappointment. Nothing worth
> chasing really. I ended up in the Grampians for the day to do some nature
> photography with a mate before we left Halls Gap to head back to Horsham.
> Approximately 15km South of Horsham, we seen the first CG strike from a
line
> that was developing to the West.
>
> Anyway, to cut a short story even shorter, a few strobing CG's were
> witnessed West of Green Lake, caught them on video, and then drove home
> while some CG's dropped behind and to the side of us.
>
> Here at the moment, we've just had a storm to the South with a few flangs,
> but nothing interesting really. Mind you, as I type, I just got another
> rumble to the West. All up, nothing worth chasing IMO.
>
> PaulY
>
>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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> There is a potential for rain every day.
Matt, I'm sure the farmers would LOVE to hear that.
But if there's potential for rain in a district most forecasters, me
included, generally say so, and not if there's not. That's what a forecast
is.
Ken
www.predictweather.com


> Matt Pearce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: No Fire Danger in Sydney Tomorrow???
>
>
> > Anthony Cornelius wrote
> > > I don't understand...
> > > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> > > Issued at 3:34pm on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
> > > For Sunday
> > > Very warm to hot north to northwest winds ahead of cooler late
> > > southerly  change. Slight risk of an afternoon thunderstorm.
> >
> > also, from ABC, today's forecast reads
> > > A band of cloud extends from the Kimberley across southeast Australia
to
> > the Bight along a trough, bringing
> > > scattered showers and thunderstorms to SA, VIC and NSW. Cloud
increasing
> > for TAS with thundery rain >developing.
> >
> > Readers may remember my prediction for potential for rain in NSW on or
> about
> > 2nd/3rd.
> > I have no wish to open up dead debate, but perhaps now it will be
> understood
> > what I was advocating. Whether or not it actually rains does not detract
> > from the potential, which is what I was trying to demonstrate my
> forecasting
> > method can throw up. The fact that the BoM itself has also now picked up
> on
> > this potential indicates some agreement, only I clearly knew about it
well
> > before they did and without the use of fancy equipment, unless you call
a
> > ruler, a pen and an ephemeris high tech..
> > The dedicated and desperate efforts to prove me wrong have been
misplaced
> > because the successful prediction of potential cannot be measured. If I
am
> > wrong about the next couple of days then the BoM is too, so (phew)I am
at
> > last in good company.
> > cheers
> > Ken
> >
> >
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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We have had bans on and off here for a whilst now. But we didn't get news
either way on the pagers this afternoon. One incredibly huge factor in
calling a fire ban is the humidity forecast.

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Sent: Saturday, 2 November 2002 5:02 PM
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Subject: aus-wx: More on "No Sydney Fire Danger"


Now this frustrates me again...after talking to a forecast explicitly
asking if there were a fire danger and being told "no" (I even asked him
twice!)  This just got issued a couple of minutes ago...now was the
forecaster I spoke to "out of the loop" and didn't know that there were
38C and 20-30knot NW winds forecast for tomorrow, or is this bad
management?

This frustrates people...(it's frustrated me)

IDN22000
NSW FIRE WEATHER WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1652 on Saturday the 2nd of November 2002
for  Saturday the 2nd of November 2002

Hot, dry and windy conditions are expected to cause VERY HIGH TO
EXTREME FIRE DANGER in the following weather forecast districts
today:

North West Slopes and Plains,Central West Slopes, Hunter,
Metropolitan, Illawarra,
South Coast, Central Tablelands, Southern Tablelands.

TOTAL FIRE BAN

The Commissioner, NSW Rural Fire Service has TOTALLY BANNED THE
LIGHTING OF FIRES until midnight tonight [Saturday 2nd November 2002]
in the following weather forecast districts:

North West Slopes and Plains,
Central West Slopes,
Hunter,
Metropolitan,
Illawarra,
South Coast,
Central Tablelands,
 Southern Tablelenads.
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At 07:09 PM 2/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>It's going OFF here in VIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>The NW is COVERED by strikes on the tracker.  Some isolated cells now 
>firing just to the NW of Melb.  Could be a great night!!!!!!

Umm, where.  I am on the NW side of Melb, and NOTHING!!! (except for some 
lightning from a cell passing over the heads, 80km away).

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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:26:14 +1100 (EST)
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Hi all

From Clayton I could see a lot of lightning activity to the south, and I 
managed to catch some of it on video....some captures are here:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2002_11_02/today.html

It pretty much died after 8:10pm, and I tried to find some more lightning 
further to the southeast, but I came up empty.


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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Potential Sydney Rain  2/3 Nov.
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:06:46 +1100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Firstly how much rain does it take to be called 
rain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last night Saturday 2nd Nov. we had rain drops, 
heavy enough for us to hear them on the awning outside between 8pm and 
8.30pm&nbsp; -&nbsp; though not enough to wet the concrete at all.&nbsp; A 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you know if Ballarat got any rain last night. 
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Hi Judy,<br><br>
Well observed and nice ot be on the go. Definitely qualifies as rain but
not much - perhaps a trace.<br><br>
Jimmy Deguara<br><br>
At 10:06 AM 3/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Dear
All,</font><br>
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<font face="arial" size=2>Firstly how much rain does it take to be called
rain.</font><br>
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<font face="arial" size=2>Last night Saturday 2nd Nov. we had rain drops,
heavy enough for us to hear them on the awning outside between 8pm and
8.30pm&nbsp; -&nbsp; though not enough to wet the concrete at all.&nbsp;
A friend also reported similar at Narrabeen and Adam found the same at
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<font face="arial" size=2>So at risk of myself being called stupid is
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From: "Michael Andrews" <mixmail at bigpond.net.au>
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Nice video caps Robert,

I headed up to Mt Dandenong for a bit of a look at what was coming. On
the radar and lightning tracker before I left home there looked to be a
small cell crossing Geelong and the bay, while the huge storm front with
heaps of lightning was still over Ballarat way.

Originally I wanted to go to Brighton but there was not enough time - as
it turns out, if I had left earlier and made it to the bay there would
have been one hell of a lightshow. I managed to see it from Mt Dandenong
- not as close as I would like to be for photos, but I managed to zoom
in a little and take half a roll of slide film, there were some pretty
impressive CG's. I just hope they turn out from that distance.

That activity continued out of view to the east, and other than a couple
of very close CG's down around Kilsyth / Bayswater there was nothing
else coming. It started to rain pretty heavy, and the carpark was
closing in around half an hour so decided to pop back home and check the
radar, then head over to Doncaster to see the larger storm approach.

On checking the radar there appeared to be a fair bit of steady rain all
over melb except for the eastern suburbs - and the lightning storm out
west seemed to be fading. We still headed to Doncaster, sat on the roof
for an hour, got rained on but no lightning activity - not even on the
AM radio.

We drove around the city for another couple of hours taking some
nightime shots to use up the slide film and see if any storms rolled in
- but nothing. On coming home and checking the lightning tracker, the
storm just fizzed out before it even got to us.

So im pretty glad we got to see the storm over the bay, fingers crossed
the shots will come out. It's been 9 months since I got my first two
lightning shots ever and have been dying to add to the collection. Will
let you all know if they turn out and post them on my site.

Cheers,

Michael.

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Hi all

From Clayton I could see a lot of lightning activity to the south, and I

managed to catch some of it on video....some captures are here:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2002_11_02/today.html

It pretty much died after 8:10pm, and I tried to find some more
lightning 
further to the southeast, but I came up empty.


Cheers

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Australian Sky & Weather are proud to announce an almost 4 hour
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Hello all,

It amazes me that the temps and dew points are vastly different in eastern 
and western parts of Sydney. Some suburbs are in moist sea breeze air and 
we are sweltering near 40C temps and very low dew points.

Good stuff. Very hazy due to bush fires.

Jimmy Deguara

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Dewpoint here (Seven Hills) a short time ago was 5 degrees at 37.9 and RH
about 11%. Max has been 38.5. Pretty common for November on my calcs, even
this early in the month (1 yr in 3).
Keith Barnett
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> Hello all,
>
> It amazes me that the temps and dew points are vastly different in eastern
> and western parts of Sydney. Some suburbs are in moist sea breeze air and
> we are sweltering near 40C temps and very low dew points.
>
> Good stuff. Very hazy due to bush fires.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
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> NSW Australia
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From: "Max" <max56 at iinet.net.au>
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Tell me about it Jimmy!
Stinkin hot here at Wenty!
Last check had it just over 38.
Oh well, thank goodness for a/c :)

Max
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> Hello all,
>
> It amazes me that the temps and dew points are vastly different in eastern
> and western parts of Sydney. Some suburbs are in moist sea breeze air and
> we are sweltering near 40C temps and very low dew points.
>
> Good stuff. Very hazy due to bush fires.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Please note the change to my new e-mail
> address:    jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com
>
> Storm Chasing Tours - Thunderbolt Tours - http://www.thunderbolttours.com
> -----------------------------------------
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>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
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>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
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Max & all,

I used to like living on top of the ridge in Harris Park / Rosehill -
open every door and window and the sea breeze would pass on through (but
not down the other side of the ridge, as it was deflected
upwards)......the eastern side of the unit could be 28C in the seabreeze
and just down the street on the western side of the ridge it would be
34C and rising every step you took, till right down the bottom of the
western side of the ridge at the shops it could be as high as 42C!!

Cheers,

Jane

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> Tell me about it Jimmy!
> Stinkin hot here at Wenty!
> Last check had it just over 38.
> Oh well, thank goodness for a/c :)
>
> Max
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>
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > It amazes me that the temps and dew points are vastly different in
eastern
> > and western parts of Sydney. Some suburbs are in moist sea breeze
air and
> > we are sweltering near 40C temps and very low dew points.
> >
> > Good stuff. Very hazy due to bush fires.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
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> > address:    jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com
> >
> > Storm Chasing Tours - Thunderbolt Tours -
http://www.thunderbolttours.com
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
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Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:41:00 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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!!!Guests more than welcome to attend!!!

The next QLD ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday the 16th of November,
commencing at 10am.  This will probably be the last official meeting of
the year, given people tend to go away over Christmas.  Because of this
I hope that you can join us do the following:

- Watch video footage from past storm events (including the October 9
supercell: 
http://www.downunderchase.com/stormchasing/02-03/09_10_02ac.html and
October 26 and 27 storm events throughout SE QLD, NE NSW and Wide Bay
and Burnett:
http://www.downunderchase.com/stormchasing/02-03/27_10_02-01ac.html )
- Join in other assorted footage over the past few months and future
footage over the next few weeks to come!
- Join in discussion of current, past and future weather events
- End it with some pizza and more storm videos!

In brief the details are:

Date: Saturday, 16th of November 2002 
Time: 10am-2pm 
Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner (Brisbane) 
What to bring?  Photos, videos and $4 for pizza and drinks.

If you can definately attend, please drop me a quick email at
cyclone at bigpond.net.au  If you're unsure, you can still drop in anyway
even if you don't email!

Look forward to seeing you there,
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
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From: simon at fearby.com
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Subject: aus-wx: People in NZ on this list....
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Hello Kiwi's

I am an Aussie from Tamworth NSW Australia and I love reading this list.  I am travelling in NZ at the moment and I find your weather patterns amazing.  I have lots of photos to add links to when i get back.

I have travelled from Christchurch to Dunedin then to Milford then Doubtful and now in Queenstown.  The weather has been great along the way but I would likle some snow or heavy rain...

If you are a Kiwi I would love to hear where you are from in NZ and what your weather is like (a forcast for the next few days would also be great)..

p.s. NZ is heaven on earth.  Tamworth Australia is a dust bowl compared to over here in NZ..

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 16:19:39 +1100
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Looks like the BoM in melbourne are getting a new building, media
release here :

http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/20021104.shtml

This paragraph is the best, i hope the VIC BoM people like riding
bikes...

Dr Stone said that in keeping with the Bureau’s strong environmental
focus, bicycle storage would be provided
 to encourage employees to power their way to work on the bike, ahead of
in the car.

I can easily see Jane in August powering down the road on a bike with
her 2 frozen dogs being dragged along to visit the BoM! hehehe

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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> 
> Looks like the BoM in melbourne are getting a new building, media
> release here :
> 
> http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/20021104.shtml
> 
> This paragraph is the best, i hope the VIC BoM people like riding
> bikes...
> 
> Dr Stone said that in keeping with the Bureau’s strong environmental
> focus, bicycle storage would be provided
>  to encourage employees to power their way to work on the bike, ahead of
> in the car.
> 
> I can easily see Jane in August powering down the road on a bike with
> her 2 frozen dogs being dragged along to visit the BoM! hehehe
> 
> Matt Smith
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> 

A fairly significant proportion of Bureau staff ride to work;
probably close to 10% at times (myself among them). 

One of the earliest uses to which I put the radar after arriving
here was to time when to ride home on showery days :-)

Blair
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<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>October Averages for my backyard in 
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Hi Simon,

I'm Gregg Ward from Palmerston North, on the western side of the lower 
half of the North Island of NZ.

The forecast for Palmerston North, for the next few days, is as follows:

Tuesday:
Cloudy periods at first with the odd shower. A period of widespread rain 
from late Tuesday morning along with brief heavy falls. Occasional 
showers follow the rain.
Max 19 Min 10

Wednesday:
Occasional showers.
Max 15 Min 11

Thursday:
Occasional showers.  Chance of a few thundery falls possible especially 
about the ranges.
Max 16 Min 7

Glad to see you are enjoying yourself in NZ.



Gregg


simon at fearby.com wrote:

>Hello Kiwi's
>
>I am an Aussie from Tamworth NSW Australia and I love reading this list.  I am travelling in NZ at the moment and I find your weather patterns amazing.  I have lots of photos to add links to when i get back.
>
>I have travelled from Christchurch to Dunedin then to Milford then Doubtful and now in Queenstown.  The weather has been great along the way but I would likle some snow or heavy rain...
>
>If you are a Kiwi I would love to hear where you are from in NZ and what your weather is like (a forcast for the next few days would also be great)..
>
>p.s. NZ is heaven on earth.  Tamworth Australia is a dust bowl compared to over here in NZ..
>
>Thanks
>
>Simon Fearby
>simon at fearby.com
>simon.fearby at tafensw.edu.au
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>
> I can easily see Jane in August powering down the road on a bike with
> her 2 frozen dogs being dragged along to visit the BoM! hehehe


Matty, Matty, Matty..............

me? on a bike? <ROTFL>

you? walking? <hehehehe>

Jane <g>

btw, the view from the new building won't be nearly as stunning.......
:(

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Blair and all,
I have been watching Lake George
since I came to Canberra in 1981  and have seen it off  and on since 1968. I 
read a report on the Lake in the 1980's by the BMR which concluded that the 
Lake is very sensitive to rainfall\evaporation in its basin. Hence full in 
the mid 50's, 70's and generally low or dry for most of the period. I last 
saw duststorms on the Lake in the big Dty in the 1990-92 drought and they 
were awesome! caused by very strong winds blowing off the Lake George 
escarpment onto the lake surface some 2 to 3 km out on the lake bed The dust 
rose up to 200 metres above the bed as a huge wall .
Canberra has had some good falls late winter but they missed the lake hence 
a brown area east of the Lake. I know Goulburn missed all that rain we had 
last winter.
Gavin SSWW Canberra





>From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:23:51 +1100
>
>I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
>New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
>of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
>ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
>in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
>during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
>
>Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
>multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
>the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
>1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
>dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
>dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
>
>(It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
>was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
>rainfall).
>
>In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
>sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
>
>Blair
>
> > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand Prix 
>off
> > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> >
> > PaulY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > Thompson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a 
>young
> > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> >
> > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector and
> > could not see how even then.
> >
> > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones. 
>Like
> > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > wonder where the water went.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >
> >
> > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going 
>around
> > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach 
>Ness,
> > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > >
> > >
> > > Liam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > >
> > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and 
>the
> > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as a
> > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a 
>puddle
> > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the dust 
>is
> > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > >
> > > >Phil
> > > ><><
> > > >
> > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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> > > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > > > wow!
> > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not something 
>you
> > > > > would see
> > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > weather did
> > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted in
> > very
> > > > > sharp
> > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at highest.
> > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown 
>and
> > > > > drought
> > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in 
>comparison
> > > > > ). This
> > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra 
>trip,  a
> > > > > sudden
> > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > >
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At 06:50 AM 4/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Is there any chance we might see some storm chase results on amaeture  \ 
>comunity TV ?

Well, I was hoping to put some live action onto amateur TV, but the 
transmitter isn't finished yet.  I might look at videotaping some of my 
chases and getting them put to air at a later stage. :)

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From: "ASNWmsc" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: ASWA 2004 Calendar
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The Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) is looking into having
their very own calendar published for 2004.  At present we are gathering
quotes from various printing sources but most quotes are based on the
quantity of calendars that would be needed.  ASWA would like to know if
you would be interested in purchasing 1 or more 2004 calendars for
$15-$20 each plus postage and handling, so they know roughly how many
they would need when it comes time to have them produced.

The calendar will be a 12mth calendar with photos of weather taken by
ASWA members from around the country.  All members will have an
opportunity in the New Year to submit weather photos and try their luck
at making it into the calendar.

Please email astrolady99 at netscape.net if you would be interested in
purchasing the ASWA Calendar.  Also if there is anyone that is in the
printing industry or knows of someone in the printing industry that you
think could be of service to ASWA please let us know at the above email
address.

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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Hi Simon
Steven Williams from Auckland.
You won't have to wait long for rain but you are a bit late for snow.
However could be down to 1000m Thursday the Otago Alpine area. Forecast
here(in AK) is for a few showers, heavy and thundery Thursday, clearing
Friday, rain returning late Saturday. Wet.
Enjoy the rest of your holiday.
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Subject: aus-wx: People in NZ on this list....


> Hello Kiwi's
>
> I am an Aussie from Tamworth NSW Australia and I love reading this list.
I am travelling in NZ at the moment and I find your weather patterns
amazing.  I have lots of photos to add links to when i get back.
>
> I have travelled from Christchurch to Dunedin then to Milford then
Doubtful and now in Queenstown.  The weather has been great along the way
but I would likle some snow or heavy rain...
>
> If you are a Kiwi I would love to hear where you are from in NZ and what
your weather is like (a forcast for the next few days would also be great)..
>
> p.s. NZ is heaven on earth.  Tamworth Australia is a dust bowl compared to
over here in NZ..
>
> Thanks
>
> Simon Fearby
> simon at fearby.com
> simon.fearby at tafensw.edu.au
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Hi Sam, your comments are very interesting. I spent quite some time at UNE 
Armidale in the mid 70's to early 80's
I was very interested in the "die back" issue. It was thought to be a soil 
bug or fungus that attacks the tree's  roots
. As in what you said , super phosphate
was thought to be the cause although clearance of forest\woodlands to 
scatted tree lots over the century since settlement must also stress the 
small groups of trees left.Die back  also occurs between Collector and 
Goulburn on similar country.
. Your analysis on climate change is interesting .I think it would be at 
micro-climate level but with regional impacts. The Lagoon is most likely the 
victim of deforestation and increased soil erosion leading to silting of the 
Lagoon. I have seen a similar effect with the Rose Lagoon near Collector .In 
the 60's it was a lagoon now it is a reed infested wetland badly silted up. 
I have not been over to Lake Bathurst near Tarago since 1982 but I will go 
over to see if it is also being silted up too.
Gavin SSWW Canberra


>From: "macdonald" <sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: Deforestation & Effects on Climate
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:58:30 +1100
>
>Hello All,
>I have been reading a text and email that i received from the chief of the 
>CSIRO Atmospheric Research devision.
>
>I have been interested in the effects of deforestation upon the regional 
>climate. The New England is a perfect example, only have to look at the 
>high basalt plateau around the Guyra- Ben Lomond area. I have seen photos 
>of mother of ducks lagoon at Guyra in the early 1900s. It was thick with 
>timber, and the lagoon was deep enough for a paddlesteamer. New England 
>suffered from my dieback in the early 80s and late 70's, due to infestation 
>of Christmas beetle larve... probably due to the high nutrient levels from 
>the super phosphate.
>
>The Guyra observer, Jeff, once said that he thinks that the winters in 
>Guyra are not as cold as they used to be. It is hard know whether the 
>climate is warming. I personaly believe that the climate goes through 
>cycles.
>
>"If forests are removed and replaced by pasture, the reflectivity may rise 
>by 10 % or more, depending on soil types ( dark soils would absorb more 
>reflective light), vegetation that replaces the forest. Energy input to the 
>region that is deforested is decreased, hence changing the regional 
>climate.
>
>Forests on the earth's surface, cause areodynamic drag that slows the 
>movement of air masses over the earth's surface.  Removal of the forests 
>and the replacement of them by pastures, leads to a signifcant change in 
>drag and this influences the climate systems."
>
>Cheers
>Sam
>


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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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I've added location names to most station plots on the Australian Weather
News high-scale charts. To cut down on clutter, only four letters of the
station name is shown, and I've refrained from trying to add them to the
all-Australia charts. These are usually the first four letters of the name,
but there are some variations. If you're desparate to check the full station
name, I've added a link to a full station code/name listing. If you're
wondering why some plots show names and others don't, it's because DA
doesn't currently allow station codes (other than the rather eclectic WMO
station number) to be plotted, so I have developed a work-around that works
with the most common stations.

To make way for the station names, rainfall is now plotted to the left of
the weather symbol (or between the temperature and dew point figures for
automatic weather stations), and cloud base (preceded by the letter "L") is
now plotted beneath the dew point. The changes also seem to improve the
legibility of the plots, making rainfall in particular easier to pick out.
All we need now is some rain...

Cheers

Laurier Williams
Australian Weather News
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:47:40 +1100 (EST)
From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Some images from GLEX
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Hey all

Here are some images I took while on the Gulf Line EXperiment (GLEX).  
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/Glex/glex_pt1.html

As I mentioned earlier I only saw 2 morning glories during my 1 week stay
in Karumba - 1 of which was without cloud.  During my 2 weeks in Weipa it
seemed as though the best morning glories were occurring down in Karumba.  
I will try to make more photos from these events available - there's
something like 2Gb of photos lying around on a friend's laptop, and that's 
not to mention all the films yet to be developed!

While in Weipa, all the flights went okay, and there was only 1 decent 
cloud line that we flew through, the images of which are on the above URL. 

The drive home to Melbourne from Karumba was pretty good.  We drove inland
through to Cloncurry and then headed west to Mt Isa to investigate the
dryline which the boys in Karumba noticed from the Qld obs (separates dry
air from really dry air!).  There seemed to be a marked drop in dew point
from Cloncurry to Mt Isa, by in some cases, up to 20 degs!!  When we drove
through the area we noted that from Cloncurry to a distance of 20km to the
west the dew point went from -7 to -12.  This stayed at -12 all the way to
Mt Isa.  This changed seemed to coincide with the landscape becoming more
hilly and the road increasing in elevation????  Any thoughts anyone??

The next day of driving from Mt Isa to Emerald was done entirely within
the dust storm (Oct 23), which was interesting, if not a little
featureless. Then it was on to Maroochydore for a day of rest, pass
through Brisbane to stay the night in Coffs Harbour (_just_ found a place
to stay!), through to Sydney to stay the night in Gundagai, and then
finally onto Melbourne - just over 4500km in 7 days.


Cheers

--

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School of Mathematical Sciences
PO Box 28M
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Some images from GLEX
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 00:17:33 +1100
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Excellent Photographs! That fire seemed damn close too.

We once drove from Darwin to Mt. Isa (about 2400km) in 26hrs - 4 people
in the car- two asleep 2 awake driving. I recall hitting a humidity
wall, where we literally felt the humidity vanish. Happened somewhere
between 3 ways and Mt. Isa, was quite extraordinary- 35 C and humid was
so much worse than 45 and dry!!!

James

James Holbeach
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Hey all

Here are some images I took while on the Gulf Line EXperiment (GLEX).  
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/Glex/glex_pt1.html

As I mentioned earlier I only saw 2 morning glories during my 1 week
stay
in Karumba - 1 of which was without cloud.  During my 2 weeks in Weipa
it
seemed as though the best morning glories were occurring down in
Karumba.  
I will try to make more photos from these events available - there's
something like 2Gb of photos lying around on a friend's laptop, and
that's 
not to mention all the films yet to be developed!

While in Weipa, all the flights went okay, and there was only 1 decent 
cloud line that we flew through, the images of which are on the above
URL. 

The drive home to Melbourne from Karumba was pretty good.  We drove
inland
through to Cloncurry and then headed west to Mt Isa to investigate the
dryline which the boys in Karumba noticed from the Qld obs (separates
dry
air from really dry air!).  There seemed to be a marked drop in dew
point
from Cloncurry to Mt Isa, by in some cases, up to 20 degs!!  When we
drove
through the area we noted that from Cloncurry to a distance of 20km to
the
west the dew point went from -7 to -12.  This stayed at -12 all the way
to
Mt Isa.  This changed seemed to coincide with the landscape becoming
more
hilly and the road increasing in elevation????  Any thoughts anyone??

The next day of driving from Mt Isa to Emerald was done entirely within
the dust storm (Oct 23), which was interesting, if not a little
featureless. Then it was on to Maroochydore for a day of rest, pass
through Brisbane to stay the night in Coffs Harbour (_just_ found a
place
to stay!), through to Sydney to stay the night in Gundagai, and then
finally onto Melbourne - just over 4500km in 7 days.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

School of Mathematical Sciences
PO Box 28M
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 11:01:28 +1000
From: Lisa Collett <lisa.collett at nrm.qld.gov.au>
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Hi,
I'm chasing a time sequence of images of the Oct 23rd duststorm.  I've
got a fair sequence together of the progression of the dust front during
the late morning and afternoon but I'm interested in getting some very
early morning or even night time images from the day before (around 10
pm on the 22nd to 2AM on the 23rd).  I've seen the great images on
www.stormchasers.au.com/dust1002.htm but does anyone know where I could
obtain some early images?  I'm particularly interested in the formation
of the front.
Cheers and thanks,
Lisa
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Climate Impacts & Natural Resource Systems  
Department of Natural Resources & Mines     
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Been away for awhile.. tore 
achillies tendon.&nbsp; Off work for 5 weeks, slowly healing back. Sick and 
tired of walking on crutches.. plaster off next Wed. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Where is all this rain.!!&nbsp; 
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Been away for awhile.. tore achillies tendon.&nbsp; Off work for 5 weeks, slowly healing back. Sick and tired of walking on crutches.. plaster off next Wed. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Where is all this rain.!!&nbsp; come on !!!!&nbsp; Bring it on.!! </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How did you manage that Dave?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>HI All, </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Been away for awhile.. tore 
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  tired of walking on crutches.. plaster off next Wed. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Where is all this rain.!!&nbsp; 
  come on !!!!&nbsp; Bring it on.!! </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well i did was i went to sprint 
off my left ankle. pop.. down i went.&nbsp; I had been a sprinter for many years 
and never did anything like this. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>I shall try to send the rain down 
when we get some..&nbsp; </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Mind you when we do get rain, will 
turn into a flood..!!&nbsp; Remember 1998 Aug?? </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <A title=max56 at iinet.net.au href="mailto:max56 at iinet.net.au">Max</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:49 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: im back</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ouch!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How did you manage that Dave?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Incidentally, when you get some of that rain, 
  will you shunt some down my way?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Max</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=davidkc at hotkey.net.au href="mailto:davidkc at hotkey.net.au">David 
    Carroll</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie Weather</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 07, 2002 7:01 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: im back</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>HI All, </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Been away for awhile.. tore 
    achillies tendon.&nbsp; Off work for 5 weeks, slowly healing back. Sick and 
    tired of walking on crutches.. plaster off next Wed. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Where is all this 
    rain.!!&nbsp; come on !!!!&nbsp; Bring it on.!! </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Hope everyone is going well. 
    </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Bathurst 
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Cc: "~Roger Badham" <clouds at ozemail.com.au>,
        "~Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
Subject: aus-wx: New capital city current weather maps
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I've set up weather charts for capital cities and immediate surrounds. These
update hourly, and cover :

Sydney/Wollongong/Newcastle/Blue Mountains
Melbourne and 100km around
Brisbane and 100km around
Adelaide and 50km east and 150km west
Perth and SW WA
Hobart and the rest of Tasmania ;)

There are two charts for each location.

The first simply shows temperature, dew point, wind, pressure and rain in
the past hour for as many AWS's as I could fit in, plotted in their correct
locations (with location names!)

The second shows the same plots, but is overlaid with isotherms in red,
equal relative humidity isopleths in green (anyone remember what they're
called?), and wind streamlines in black. The result is a bit messy until you
adjust your eyes to it, but it is worthwhile doing so because, even in the
few hours I've had it running experimentally, it's fascinating the amount of
small-scale activity you can see happening.

The wind streamlines really pick up seabreeze fronts and katabatics well,
and should pick up thunderstorm outflows and local convergence lines nicely
if we ever get any.

At the moment, only current hour charts are available; I'll add a 24-hour
archive if there's a demand.

To get to them, go to http://australianweathernews.com and click on Hourly
Charts in the Quick Weather bit at the top of the page.

As always, any suggestions for improvement are most welcome.

Cheers

Laurier


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Excellent Laurier!

-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier
Williams
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:38 PM
To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
Cc: ~Roger Badham; ~Don White
Subject: aus-wx: New capital city current weather maps


I've set up weather charts for capital cities and immediate surrounds. These
update hourly, and cover :

Sydney/Wollongong/Newcastle/Blue Mountains
Melbourne and 100km around
Brisbane and 100km around
Adelaide and 50km east and 150km west
Perth and SW WA
Hobart and the rest of Tasmania ;)

There are two charts for each location.

The first simply shows temperature, dew point, wind, pressure and rain in
the past hour for as many AWS's as I could fit in, plotted in their correct
locations (with location names!)

The second shows the same plots, but is overlaid with isotherms in red,
equal relative humidity isopleths in green (anyone remember what they're
called?), and wind streamlines in black. The result is a bit messy until you
adjust your eyes to it, but it is worthwhile doing so because, even in the
few hours I've had it running experimentally, it's fascinating the amount of
small-scale activity you can see happening.

The wind streamlines really pick up seabreeze fronts and katabatics well,
and should pick up thunderstorm outflows and local convergence lines nicely
if we ever get any.

At the moment, only current hour charts are available; I'll add a 24-hour
archive if there's a demand.

To get to them, go to http://australianweathernews.com and click on Hourly
Charts in the Quick Weather bit at the top of the page.

As always, any suggestions for improvement are most welcome.

Cheers

Laurier


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From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cool News
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Folks:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, I 
see ya'll are having some very warm/hot temperatures. In my effort to cool ya'll 
off a bit, heres this chilly news: Mena had the first frost of Autumn this 
morning (Thur. Nov. 7) as the morning low dipped to 31F(-0.5C). The highs are 
expected to be in the 60sF.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a question: 
Mena saw very , very little sunshine from Oct. 19 through Nov. 5--a very unusual 
prolonged cloudy stretch. Do places in Australia experience cloudy stretches 
like this? (The sunshine really looks good!!!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
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news cooled everyone off a bit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Have an 
Awesome November (&amp; stay cool)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
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Yours&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; David (soaking up the sun) 
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<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&quot;Do places in Australia experience
cloudy stretches like this? (The sunshine really looks
good!!!)&quot;<br><br>
</font>Wollongong and Victoria :)<br><br>
Jimmy Deguara<br><br>
At 12:26 PM 7/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Hello
Folks:</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Well, I see ya'll are having some very warm/hot temperatures. In my
effort to cool ya'll off a bit, heres this chilly news: Mena had the
first frost of Autumn this morning (Thur. Nov. 7) as the morning low
dipped to 31F(-0.5C). The highs are expected to be in the
60sF.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I have a question: Mena saw very , very little sunshine from Oct. 19
through Nov. 5--a very unusual prolonged cloudy stretch. Do places in
Australia experience cloudy stretches like this? (The sunshine really
looks good!!!)</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
I hope this news cooled everyone off a bit.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Have an Awesome November (&amp; stay cool)</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Yours&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; David (soaking up the sun)
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria barbeque
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:03:32 +1100
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Afternoon all,

We've organised a nice (well, as far as barbeques go anyway.....) day for
tomorrow's Victorian ASWA barbeque - 11am start.  If you're coming from the
Eastern Freeway, turn off at Chandler Highway, turn into Yarra Boulevard at
the Guide Dogs, go across the Freeway and keep an eye out for Bellbird
Picnic area.....
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/barbeque.htm

We'd love to see members, friends & family.

See you all there tomorrow!!

Cheers,

the "Victorian Barbeque Squad"
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at australianskynweather.com

Australian Sky and Weather
www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Hot days, cool nights
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:13:36 +1100
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>In my backyard in Sydney's 
Northern Suburbs between Chatswood West &amp; North Ryde I have been recording 
night temperatures below 10 degrees this week:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080><EM>7.7 
degrees</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>on the night&nbsp;of 
the&nbsp;seventh</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080><EM>7 
degrees</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>on the night of 
the&nbsp;sixth</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" 
color=#000080><EM>6.9</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>on the night of the 
fifth</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>At the moment the 
temperature here is 37.6</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>You can view all my daily 
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080><A 
href="http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>My&nbsp;WX-918 weather 
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080><A 
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  [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of 
  </B>Damian<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 08, 2002 12:14 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Hot days, cool 
  nights<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">In my backyard in Sydney's 
  Northern Suburbs between Chatswood West &amp; North Ryde I have been recording 
  night temperatures below 10 degrees this week:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 
  face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New"><EM>7.7 
  degrees</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">on the night&nbsp;of 
  the&nbsp;seventh</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New"><EM>7 
  degrees</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">on the night of 
  the&nbsp;sixth</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 
  face="Courier New"><EM>6.9</EM></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">on the night of the 
  fifth</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 
  face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">At the moment the 
  temperature here is 37.6</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 
  face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 
  face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">You can view all my daily 
  statistics at:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New"><A 
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  face="Courier New"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New">My&nbsp;WX-918 weather 
  station site is at:</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#000080 face="Courier New"><A 
  href="http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~damoreds/chatswoodwx.html">http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/~damoreds/chatswoodwx.html</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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From: "David James Powell" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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Thanks for that. Wouldn't the prolonged 
cloudiness in Wollongong and Victoria be due to 
the marine influence? Mena has little direct 
marine influence; this episode of cloudiness was 
due to an active Subtropical Jet Stream (plus an 
Upper-level Low and 3 weak Canadian Cold fronts).

> 
>   "Do places in Australia experience cloudy 
stretches like this? (The 
> sunshine really looks good!!!)"
> 
> Wollongong and Victoria :)
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 12:26 PM 7/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hello Folks:
> >         Well, I see ya'll are having some 
very warm/hot temperatures. In 
> > my effort to cool ya'll off a bit, heres this 
chilly news: Mena had the 
> > first frost of Autumn this morning (Thur. 
Nov. 7) as the morning low 
> > dipped to 31F(-0.5C). The highs are expected 
to be in the 60sF.
> >           I have a question: Mena saw very , 
very little sunshine from 
> > Oct. 19 through Nov. 5--a very unusual 
prolonged cloudy stretch. Do 
> > places in Australia experience cloudy 
stretches like this? (The sunshine 
> > really looks good!!!)
> >            I hope this news cooled everyone 
off a bit.
> >            Have an Awesome November (& stay 
cool)
> >            Yours     David (soaking up the 
sun) Powell
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 17:02:20 +1100
From: Greg Browning <gregf5 at useoz.com>
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Hi Jane,

I think I'll have to give tomorrow a miss due to study - have last exam on
Thu.  Sorry for the late notice but I wouldn't have needed any meat, anyway!
Have fun and say Hi to the guys for me,

Regards
Greg Browning

Jane ONeill wrote:

> Afternoon all,
>
> We've organised a nice (well, as far as barbeques go anyway.....) day for
> tomorrow's Victorian ASWA barbeque - 11am start.  If you're coming from the
> Eastern Freeway, turn off at Chandler Highway, turn into Yarra Boulevard at
> the Guide Dogs, go across the Freeway and keep an eye out for Bellbird
> Picnic area.....
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/barbeque.htm
>
> We'd love to see members, friends & family.
>
> See you all there tomorrow!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> the "Victorian Barbeque Squad"
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
> Australian Sky and Weather
> www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Wollongong&nbsp;- not of late, but in certain years it can 
compared to Sydney's west be extremely cloudy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Three Bushfires this afternoon in Wollongong, the largest 
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    <DIV><FONT face=arial size=2>Hello Folks:</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
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    experience cloudy stretches like this? (The sunshine really looks 
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At 12:03 PM 8/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>Afternoon all,
>
>We've organised a nice (well, as far as barbeques go anyway.....) day for
>tomorrow's Victorian ASWA barbeque - 11am start.  If you're coming from the
>Eastern Freeway, turn off at Chandler Highway, turn into Yarra Boulevard at
>the Guide Dogs, go across the Freeway and keep an eye out for Bellbird
>Picnic area.....
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/barbeque.htm

Well, it's a bit late, I know, but I will see you there.  A late night 
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From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi all,

Have been overseas (to places where snow and ice are settling in for the
northern winter).

I flew back into Sydney on Monday of this week and got the following
pictures of blowing dust over the SE corner of Lake George from the strong
westerly winds blowing down from the range on the western side. It reminded
me of some of the satellite photos I have seen of huge dust storms in the
lee of the Rocky Mtns as a foehn effect accentuates the turbulence from the
mountains and accelerates the descending air into the desert valleys. (No
foehn effect here though - just normal turbulence in the lee of the hills).

The shots are taken looking east and the second shot shows some some low
based cumulus on the eastern horizon from a moister southerly flow moving up
the coast and penetrating just to the eastern edge of the tablelands (but no
further inland).

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0185.JPG

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0186.JPG

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0187.JPG


Cheers,

Patrick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> Blair and all,
> I have been watching Lake George
> since I came to Canberra in 1981  and have seen it off  and on since 1968.
I
> read a report on the Lake in the 1980's by the BMR which concluded that
the
> Lake is very sensitive to rainfall\evaporation in its basin. Hence full in
> the mid 50's, 70's and generally low or dry for most of the period. I last
> saw duststorms on the Lake in the big Dty in the 1990-92 drought and they
> were awesome! caused by very strong winds blowing off the Lake George
> escarpment onto the lake surface some 2 to 3 km out on the lake bed The
dust
> rose up to 200 metres above the bed as a huge wall .
> Canberra has had some good falls late winter but they missed the lake
hence
> a brown area east of the Lake. I know Goulburn missed all that rain we had
> last winter.
> Gavin SSWW Canberra
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:23:51 +1100
> >
> >I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
> >New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
> >of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
> >ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
> >in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
> >during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
> >
> >Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
> >multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
> >the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
> >1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
> >dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
> >dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
> >
> >(It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
> >was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
> >rainfall).
> >
> >In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
> >sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
> >
> >Blair
> >
> > > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff kennet
> > > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand
Prix
> >off
> > > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> > >
> > > PaulY
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > > Thompson
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >
> > >
> > > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as a
> >young
> > > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> > >
> > > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector
and
> > > could not see how even then.
> > >
> > > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short ones.
> >Like
> > > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry years,
> > > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures and
> > > wonder where the water went.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >
> > >
> > > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
> >around
> > > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to Lach
> >Ness,
> > > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Liam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > > >
> > > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past and
> >the
> > > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry as
a
> > > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
> >puddle
> > > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the
dust
> >is
> > > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > > >
> > > > >Phil
> > > > ><><
> > > > >
> > > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > > >
> > > > > > wow!
> > > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not
something
> >you
> > > > > > would see
> > > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any real
> > > > > > weather did
> > > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was lifted
in
> > > very
> > > > > > sharp
> > > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at
highest.
> > > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very brown
> >and
> > > > > > drought
> > > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
> >comparison
> > > > > > ). This
> > > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
> >trip,  a
> > > > > > sudden
> > > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > > >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The hot dry weather being experienced by SE 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:50:06 +1100
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Welcome back Patrick, that is pretty similar to what I saw.

Michael


----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George


> Hi all,
>
> Have been overseas (to places where snow and ice are settling in for the
> northern winter).
>
> I flew back into Sydney on Monday of this week and got the following
> pictures of blowing dust over the SE corner of Lake George from the strong
> westerly winds blowing down from the range on the western side. It
reminded
> me of some of the satellite photos I have seen of huge dust storms in the
> lee of the Rocky Mtns as a foehn effect accentuates the turbulence from
the
> mountains and accelerates the descending air into the desert valleys. (No
> foehn effect here though - just normal turbulence in the lee of the
hills).
>
> The shots are taken looking east and the second shot shows some some low
> based cumulus on the eastern horizon from a moister southerly flow moving
up
> the coast and penetrating just to the eastern edge of the tablelands (but
no
> further inland).
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0185.JPG
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0186.JPG
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~patricktobin/wx/LakeGeorge/DSCF0187.JPG
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gavin O'Brien" <mrcenterprises at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:05 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
>
>
> > Blair and all,
> > I have been watching Lake George
> > since I came to Canberra in 1981  and have seen it off  and on since
1968.
> I
> > read a report on the Lake in the 1980's by the BMR which concluded that
> the
> > Lake is very sensitive to rainfall\evaporation in its basin. Hence full
in
> > the mid 50's, 70's and generally low or dry for most of the period. I
last
> > saw duststorms on the Lake in the big Dty in the 1990-92 drought and
they
> > were awesome! caused by very strong winds blowing off the Lake George
> > escarpment onto the lake surface some 2 to 3 km out on the lake bed The
> dust
> > rose up to 200 metres above the bed as a huge wall .
> > Canberra has had some good falls late winter but they missed the lake
> hence
> > a brown area east of the Lake. I know Goulburn missed all that rain we
had
> > last winter.
> > Gavin SSWW Canberra
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > >Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:23:51 +1100
> > >
> > >I thought it was 'supposed' to be connected to a lake somewhere in
> > >New Zealand :-) (Actually, these legends may really be a manifestation
> > >of the fact that rainfall in this region is strongly related to
> > >ENSO, so it wouldn't be a surprise if Lake George tended to be low
> > >in periods when a lake somewhere in the world that gets more rain
> > >during El Nino events is high, and vice versa).
> > >
> > >Lake George also tends to respond to rainfall anomalies on the
> > >multi-year timescale. It was very high during the wet periods of
> > >the mid-70s and late 80s/early 90s. Prior to the last year or so,
> > >1982 was the only time since the 60s that it had been completely
> > >dry (and then only briefly), but I believe it was dry or mostly
> > >dry for about 15 years in the 20s/30s.
> > >
> > >(It's also very sensitive to evaporation; during the last Ice Age it
> > >was much deeper (20-30 metres) than it is now, despite lower
> > >rainfall).
> > >
> > >In 1982 the ACT Cross Country Club ran a race across it. I'm not
> > >sure if they have any plans for a repeat performance this year.
> > >
> > >Blair
> > >
> > > > It neither goes to Mt Gambier of some secret cave. We got Jeff
kennet
> > > > working for us still, and he stole it like he also stole the Grand
> Prix
> > >off
> > > > South Australia...LOL (Although with Vic's water supplies as they
> > > > are...Jeff...where did you exactly put the water???)
> > > >
> > > > PaulY
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> > > > Thompson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:54 AM
> > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's funny you should say that as my first sight of the Lake was as
a
> > >young
> > > > lad in the early 1960's. Similar story except my father said it was
> > > > connected to the lake at Mt Gambier in Victoria.
> > > >
> > > > Even though I was only 7 or 8 years old I was a keen rock collector
> and
> > > > could not see how even then.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose people cannot pick long term trends as easily as short
ones.
> > >Like
> > > > Lake George will slowly dry over a number of just slightly dry
years,
> > > > perhaps not even drought years, so they look at the green pastures
and
> > > > wonder where the water went.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Liam Domanski" <gashband at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:07 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > When I lived in Canberra years ago, there used to be a story going
> > >around
> > > > > how Lake George was connected by an underground cave system to
Lach
> > >Ness,
> > > > > and that there had been monsters spotted cruising the lake!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps they drink all the water some years!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Liam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> > > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:39:48 +0800
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"Lake George" is often a misnomer.  Some years, you drive past
and
> > >the
> > > > > >water is almost lapping the main road.  Other years it's as dry
as
> a
> > > > > >desert.  In between years you might see miles of paddocks with a
> > >puddle
> > > > > >of water in the far distance.
> > > > > >I haven't been past in the last 15 years, but I assume since the
> dust
> > >is
> > > > > >being lifted that it is dry or almost dry at present.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Phil
> > > > > ><><
> > > > > >
> > > > > >International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > > > >Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > > > >Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > > > >Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
> > > > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:18:49 +1100
> > > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lifted Dust over Lake George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wow!
> > > > > > > Sounds interesting Michael... I guess raised dust is not
> something
> > >you
> > > > > > > would see
> > > > > > > much of on a lake... would have been a sight to see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matt Smith
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Michael Thompson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Was in Canberra yesterday and today and not expecting any
real
> > > > > > > weather did
> > > > > > > > not take the digital.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bad mistake as around 3.30pm this afternoon was the sight of
> > > > > > > localised dust
> > > > > > > > being lifted over the SE corner of Lake George, it was
lifted
> in
> > > > very
> > > > > > > sharp
> > > > > > > > edged sheets and extended perhaps 100m into the air at
> highest.
> > > > > > > Looked quite
> > > > > > > > spectacular, largest would have been about 2kms long.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Also noted that the hills east of Lake George were very
brown
> > >and
> > > > > > > drought
> > > > > > > > affected, whilst the range just west is quite green ( in
> > >comparison
> > > > > > > ). This
> > > > > > > > was something I noticed two weeks ago on a similar Canberra
> > >trip,  a
> > > > > > > sudden
> > > > > > > > greening just south of Goulburn.
> > > > > > > >
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 07:22:48 EST
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Hi David <BR>
from my 48 years experience a high temp of 41C to a low of say 16C in a 24 Hr. Period is not that unusual in Melbourne's'&nbsp; summer . Others on the list can no doubt give more accurate info. .<BR>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was wondering how lightning trackers sense the 
lightning&nbsp;strikes. Are there different systems/ways to gather this info? 
How is this tracker &nbsp;<A 
href="http://data.theweather.com.au/access/imageserver.jsp?image=lightning/Aus_Lightning.jpg">http://data.theweather.com.au/access/imageserver.jsp?image=lightning/Aus_Lightning.jpg</A>&nbsp; 
different to this one <A 
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There seems to be only three (3) sensors in Australia for the second site. And 
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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<P><B>For Otago and Southland</B> <BR>A cold outbreak developing overnight with 
westerlies becoming severe gale force. On Monday, showery with thunderstorms, 
hail and snow lowering to 400 metres. </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is that a wintry forecast or what!</FONT></P>
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From: "Tuan Phan" <t.phan at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Contrasting weather
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Using my little met knowledge, 
this explanation could partially explain why this is so. I am sure others may 
have a better theory.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<?xml:namespace prefix = o 
ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Basically, at ~50s, the 
circumference of the Earth is ~28k km. If we have a basic 4 long wave pattern 
set up, each wave would be ~7k km long. Given the distance between Western Aus, 
SE Aus and NZ, it is not surprising to find that a lot of the time, Western Aus 
would have a similar long wave set up with NZ (i.e. Long wave trough or ridge), 
but both may have opposite set up to SE Aus.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I did a quick check on the latest 
LW analysis chart (9/11/02) and noted a slight ridging though SE Aus and slight 
troughing over NZ and off WAus coast. If you go forward to tonight and tomorrow 
(+24HR &amp; +48HR), the ridging and troughing in the areas mentioned are more 
pronounced. This large scale set up is not the 4 classical wave pattern that I 
mentioned (5 at low lat and 4/5 at high lat) but I hope you get my gist.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Keep in mind my explanation is 
for large scale only and totally ignores all regional and local effects.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">tuan<SPAN 
class=809514322-09112002> (Melb)</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">&nbsp;</P></DIV>
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  Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, 9 November 2002 18:21<BR><B>To:</B> 
  aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Steven Williams<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  aus-wx: Contrasting weather<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The hot dry weather being experienced by SE 
  Australia is in contrast to cool, wetter conditions in NZ.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Much of the rain in NZ however is in the 
  west.&nbsp;NZ Met Service is predicting snow to 500m over the South 
  island</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>on Monday and 700m over the North island Tuesday. 
  And medium range charts suggest another equally cold</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>outbreak end of the week. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA barbeque
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On a day perfect for a barbeque (but not a stormchase) with a serious
cap restricting the lifting process.....Victorians gathered down by the
Yarra River for the inaugural ASWA November barbeque.
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Nov02/1109aswa1.jpg

Credit goes to Macca for a perfectly cooked lunch (and for doing the
washing up single handedly <g>)
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Nov02/1109aswa2.jpg

... have you noticed that Pepsi have used ASWA colours to market their
drink successfully? Robert Goler is seen here demonstrating.....
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Nov02/1109aswa3.jpg

A game of indoor cricket began after lunch
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Nov02/1109aswa4.jpg  - Tony Middleton
showed amazing skill in steering the ball around the pavilion without
any damage (except to my sunglasses!!) ........

A great day was had by all!!!!!

Jane

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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=684285400-10112002>Sounds 
wonderful.&nbsp; 37C here yesterday with local fires, and 35C already at 10:30am 
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  <P><B>For Otago and Southland</B> <BR>A cold outbreak developing overnight 
  with westerlies becoming severe gale force. On Monday, showery with 
  thunderstorms, hail and snow lowering to 400 metres. </P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is that a wintry forecast or what!</FONT></P>
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At 11:45 AM 10/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>A great day was had by all!!!!!

It was a good day, even if the cricket pitch was a bit overgrown and the 
field had a slope...  (that was after we moved the game out of the pavilion 
;) ).

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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>Sounds wonderful.  37C here yesterday with local fires, and 35C already at 
>10:30am this morning, I sure wouldn't mind a bit of wintry 
>weather.  Please send to SEQ ASAP.

Nah, I'm still over winter....  but any donations of rain would be much 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=684285400-10112002>Sounds wonderful.&nbsp; 37C here yesterday with local 
  fires, and 35C already at 10:30am this morning, I sure wouldn't mind a bit of 
  wintry weather.&nbsp; Please send to SEQ ASAP.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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    [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Steven 
    Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 10, 2002 8:29 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
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I agree with Tony. In November the last thing you want is more winter.
Winter is OUT. But the rain is nice.
I hate drought though. Drought should be banned...if only we could control
the weather!
Cheers
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> At 10:56 AM 10/11/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Sounds wonderful.  37C here yesterday with local fires, and 35C already
at
> >10:30am this morning, I sure wouldn't mind a bit of wintry
> >weather.  Please send to SEQ ASAP.
>
> Nah, I'm still over winter....  but any donations of rain would be much
> appreciated. :)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vkradio.com
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From: "John Graham" <gorzzz at d2.net.au>
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Let's hope there's more rain than hail......

John in Ballina

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice
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Issued at 2040 on Sunday the 10th of November 2002

The Bureau of Meteorology in Sydney has issued a Severe Thunderstorm Advice
for people in the following weather forecast district:

Northern Rivers

This advice is valid until 10pm and it should not be used after this time.

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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Topped out at 39.7C here (Mt. Crosby) today, that's five 37+C days in SEQ
since Oct 1, and 33 days over 30C since Sep 1, and "summer" is still 3 weeks
away...  Darn well feels like we have had summer already.  Rain would be
sooooo nice.

John.

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I agree with Tony. In November the last thing you want is more winter.
Winter is OUT. But the rain is nice.
I hate drought though. Drought should be banned...if only we could control
the weather!
Cheers
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> At 10:56 AM 10/11/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Sounds wonderful.  37C here yesterday with local fires, and 35C already
at
> >10:30am this morning, I sure wouldn't mind a bit of wintry
> >weather.  Please send to SEQ ASAP.
>
> Nah, I'm still over winter....  but any donations of rain would be much
> appreciated. :)
>
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> http://vkradio.com
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at theweather.com.au>
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<DIV><SPAN class=515102322-10112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
would say the places in Australia most prone to extended periods of widespread 
cloud are the SW slopes of NSW and SW WA, of course particularly in Winter and 
early Spring. It would be extremely uncommon for either of these places to 
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Michael 
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Wollongong&nbsp;- not of late, but in certain years it can 
  compared to Sydney's west be extremely cloudy.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Three Bushfires this afternoon in Wollongong, the largest 
  which had potential to threaten homes was waterbombed by the big sky 
  crane.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Hit 38C today.&nbsp; Seabreeze front went back and forward a 
  few times but established better around 4pm.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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    href="mailto:jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com">Jimmy Deguara</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Cool News</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial size=2>&nbsp;"Do places in Australia 
    experience cloudy stretches like this? (The sunshine really looks 
    good!!!)"<BR><BR></FONT>Wollongong and Victoria :)<BR><BR>Jimmy 
    Deguara<BR><BR>At 12:26 PM 7/11/2002 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
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      <DIV><FONT face=arial size=2>Hello Folks:</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
      size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well, I see ya'll are 
      having some very warm/hot temperatures. In my effort to cool ya'll off a 
      bit, heres this chilly news: Mena had the first frost of Autumn this 
      morning (Thur. Nov. 7) as the morning low dipped to 31F(-0.5C). The highs 
      are expected to be in the 60sF.</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
      size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have a 
      question: Mena saw very , very little sunshine from Oct. 19 through Nov. 
      5--a very unusual prolonged cloudy stretch. Do places in Australia 
      experience cloudy stretches like this? (The sunshine really looks 
      good!!!)</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
      size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope 
      this news cooled everyone off a bit.</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
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      an Awesome November (&amp; stay cool)</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Christchurch airport reports a temp of 6C with rain. There have been TS/GR
in the vicinity of Ch this afternoon.
Wellington, the sunshine capital of the southern hemisphere is reporting
temp 9, s25kts TS/GR (thunderstorm/hail)
What happened to summer???????.
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> Topped out at 39.7C here (Mt. Crosby) today, that's five 37+C days in SEQ
> since Oct 1, and 33 days over 30C since Sep 1, and "summer" is still 3
weeks
> away...  Darn well feels like we have had summer already.  Rain would be
> sooooo nice.
>
> John.
>
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> Williams
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> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wintry forecast
>
>
> I agree with Tony. In November the last thing you want is more winter.
> Winter is OUT. But the rain is nice.
> I hate drought though. Drought should be banned...if only we could control
> the weather!
> Cheers
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Wintry forecast
>
>
> > At 10:56 AM 10/11/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >Sounds wonderful.  37C here yesterday with local fires, and 35C already
> at
> > >10:30am this morning, I sure wouldn't mind a bit of wintry
> > >weather.  Please send to SEQ ASAP.
> >
> > Nah, I'm still over winter....  but any donations of rain would be much
> > appreciated. :)
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > http://vkradio.com
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From: dencot1 at aol.com
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I will crank up my secret weather machine and send some temp. to my east if you crank up yours and send some rain to your west . <BR>
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From: "John Graham" <gorzzz at d2.net.au>
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[snip]

had only 0.8mm last night.....very frustrating.....bloody politician weather
(promises you everything under the sun, & gives you s.f.a in return)

John in Ballina

>
> Delurking to say I was in Grafton all weekend visiting family.  On the
> trip back to Coffs airport I noticed that there looked some storm
> action. Very frustrating.
>
> Grafton hit 40 on Saturday and close to it on Sunday. The weather on
> arrival back in Sydney was a tad cooler.
>
> Shaun
> --
> But the helmet had gold decoration, and the bespoke armourers had made a
> new gleaming,
> breastplate with useless gold ornamentation on it. Sam Vimes felt like a
> class
> traitor every time he wore it. He hated being thought of as one of those
> people
> that wore stupid ornamental armour. It was gilt by association.
> - Terry Pratchet "Night Watch"
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: aus-wx: nsw sta....woohoo!!!</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 23:55, John Graham wrote:<BR>&gt; Let's hope there's more rain than hail......<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; John in Ballina<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice<BR>&gt; BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<BR>&gt; NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE<BR>&gt; Issued at 2040 on Sunday the 10th of November 2002<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The Bureau of Meteorology in Sydney has issued a Severe Thunderstorm Advice<BR>&gt; for people in the following weather forecast district:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Northern Rivers<BR><BR>Delurking to say I was in Grafton all weekend visiting family. On the<BR>trip back to Coffs airport I noticed that there looked some storm<BR>action. Very frustrating. <BR><BR>Grafton hit 40 on Saturday and close to it on Sunday. The weather on<BR>arrival back in Sydney was a tad cooler.<BR><BR>Shaun <BR>-- <BR>But the helmet had gold decoration, and the bespoke armourers had made a<BR>new gleaming, <BR>breastplate with useless gold ornamentation on it. Sam Vimes felt like a<BR>class <BR>traitor every time he wore it. He hated being thought of as one of those<BR>people <BR>that wore stupid ornamental armour. It was gilt by association. <BR>- Terry Pratchet "Night Watch" <BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>what,s this ^^^</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well with our storm season underway, this time of 
year its a little quite in the US, However in the previous ~24 hours over 250 
Svr WX warnings have been issued and over 180 Tornado watches were 
issued.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far 55&nbsp;Tornado's have been Confirmed, with 
9 also on the previous day, there will be more added to this for sure. I have 
read reports of 32 deaths due to the fact that alot of this Occured during the 
late afternoon into the night and early hours of the morning. Millions of $$$ 
damage and lots more people injured.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This has been the biggest tornadic outbreak this 
year in the US, and its not even the actual storm season, but what US Chasers 
call "Secondary season" which occurs for a few weeks in Autumn, before the 
winter months take hold.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Im also wondering if the Early Snowfalls that fell 
over many Northan and Eastern states a week or two back aided in anyway to the 
outbreak, would be interesting to see, if the same mechanism that brought the 
snowfalls also had a play in the outbreak.</FONT></DIV>
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href="http://mgweather.com/">http://mgweather.com/</A></FONT></DIV>
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From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
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approx 0.5mm in Petrie (just N of Brisbane) last night.  won't even water
the lawn !!

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> [snip]
>
> had only 0.8mm last night.....very frustrating.....bloody politician
weather
> (promises you everything under the sun, & gives you s.f.a in return)
>
> John in Ballina
>
> >
> > Delurking to say I was in Grafton all weekend visiting family.  On the
> > trip back to Coffs airport I noticed that there looked some storm
> > action. Very frustrating.
> >
> > Grafton hit 40 on Saturday and close to it on Sunday. The weather on
> > arrival back in Sydney was a tad cooler.
> >
> > Shaun
> > --
> > But the helmet had gold decoration, and the bespoke armourers had made a
> > new gleaming,
> > breastplate with useless gold ornamentation on it. Sam Vimes felt like a
> > class
> > traitor every time he wore it. He hated being thought of as one of those
> > people
> > that wore stupid ornamental armour. It was gilt by association.
> > - Terry Pratchet "Night Watch"
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At 06:16 11/11/02 EST, you wrote:
>John
> I will crank up my secret weather machine and send some temp. to my east
>if you crank up yours and send some rain to your west . 
> Why did summer come so early ????????
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> Regards
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: nsw sta....woohoo!!!
From: Shaun Cronin <sonnyboy at triode.net.au>
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On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 23:55, John Graham wrote:
> Let's hope there's more rain than hail......
> 
> John in Ballina
> 
> TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
> 
> NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 2040 on Sunday the 10th of November 2002
> 
> The Bureau of Meteorology in Sydney has issued a Severe Thunderstorm Advice
> for people in the following weather forecast district:
> 
> Northern Rivers

Delurking to say I was in Grafton all weekend visiting family.  On the
trip back to Coffs airport I noticed that there looked some storm
action. Very frustrating. 

Grafton hit 40 on Saturday and close to it on Sunday. The weather on
arrival back in Sydney was a tad cooler.

Shaun 
-- 
But the helmet had gold decoration, and the bespoke armourers had made a
new gleaming, 
breastplate with useless gold ornamentation on it. Sam Vimes felt like a
class 
traitor every time he wore it. He hated being thought of as one of those
people 
that wore stupid ornamental armour. It was gilt by association. 
- Terry Pratchet "Night Watch" 

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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Temperature plummeting now the change has hit with 
a 46.7kmh gust from the west and heaps and heaps of red dust. As if we needed 
more of that. I only got to 34.1 here today but it was one of those days that 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Temperature plummeting now the change has hit with 
a 46.7kmh gust from the west and heaps and heaps of red dust. As if we needed 
more of that. I only got to 34.1 here today but it was one of those days that 
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very sorry about the three exact posts on my 
return. Something went astray and I didn't think the message was being sent. 
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:58:34 +1000
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no worries Bussie... I've been having problems for the 
last couple of days with the list and was wondering if 
anyone else is? I've tried sending e-mails but they 
have all bounced so this is more or less a test to see 
if it gets through...

Tim.


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>Very sorry about the three exact posts on my return. 
Something went astray and I didn't think the message 
was being sent. Hence the "click again"
>
>Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>no worries Bussie... I've been having problems for the <BR>last couple of days with the list and was wondering if <BR>anyone else is? I've tried sending e-mails but they <BR>have all bounced so this is more or less a test to see <BR>if it gets through...<BR><BR>Tim.<BR><BR><BR>---- Original message ----<BR>&gt;Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:39:34 +1100<BR>&gt;From: "Bussy" &lt;<A href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">bussie at netc.net.au</A>&gt; <BR>&gt;Subject: aus-wx: Sorry <BR>&gt;To: "aussie-weather" &lt;aussie-<BR><A href="mailto:weather at world.std.com">weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Very sorry about the three exact posts on my return. <BR>Something went astray and I didn't think the message <BR>was being sent. Hence the "click again"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)<BR>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<BR>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail <A href="mailto:to:majordomo at world.std.com">to:majordomo at world.std.com</A><BR>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your<BR>message.<BR><A href="mailto: -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------">-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------</A><BR><BR>. </TD></TR>
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Hi all,

A bit of snow in Stockholm in the last 2 days also down to -10c last night
and max temp today about -5c or so.

To those that have records:

In Sweden there has hardly been any precipitation since last March / April.
The odd storm in summer.

Can anyone find records if Sweden suffered a similar dry spell at the same
time OZ did in 82/83 ?

I would call it a drought here. But there are so many lakes and water here
water restrictions would be unimaginable!

I´ll drill a hole and send some down to you.

cheers

Jas


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  The Rural Fire Service has put up weather data from its Terrey Hills
site, offering the best available real time data in Sydney's north - an
area neglected by the BoM as far as AWS's are concerned.
They are apparently still devdloping the site at
 
      http://www.beaconhillrfb.org.au/weather/ shows some Graphs and is
automatically updated every minute  automatically (no need to hit
refresh) 
       
      http://www.beaconhillrfb.org.au/weather/eoc.htm gives some links
to more details

Thanks to Supt Craig Geddes and his men.

Don White
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at theweather.com.au>
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<DIV><SPAN class=796171012-12112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It 
will be interesting to see what sort of a charge, if any, the dust makes across 
southern NSW tonight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=796171012-12112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Both 
Hay and Hillston in the Riverina reported dust storms&nbsp;in the&nbsp;2100EDT 
synop. Hay reported wind speeds (not gusts) of 45 kts, but I'm unsure of whether 
the reporter has an actual anemometer or not. Wagga Wagga was 34G40 at 2200. 
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  [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] <B>On Behalf Of 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Temperature plummeting now the change has hit 
  with a 46.7kmh gust from the west and heaps and heaps of red dust. As if we 
  needed more of that. I only got to 34.1 here today but it was one of those 
  days that felt and looked like it might do something.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Haven't posted lately because weather hasn't happened here but I'll try 
out a test just to see what happens.

Phil
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> no probs my end tim, yours are coming through ok.

> 

> regards

> richard

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> From: aussie-weather at world.std.com

> Date: Tuesday, 12 November 2002 8:40:51 PM

> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sorry

>  

> no worries Bussie... I've been having problems for the 

> last couple of days with the list and was wondering if 

> anyone else is? I've tried sending e-mails but they 

> have all bounced so this is more or less a test to see 

> if it gets through...

> 

> Tim.

> 

> 

> ---- Original message ----

> >Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:39:34 +1100

> >From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au> 

> >Subject: aus-wx: Sorry 

> >To: "aussie-weather" <aussie-

> weather at world.std.com>

> >

> >Very sorry about the three exact posts on my return. 

> Something went astray and I didn't think the message 

> was being sent. Hence the "click again"

> >

> >Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst weather
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>HI All. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Shocked to hear thunder about 5 
min ago.. Wind speed has picked up.. Loaded up radar real quick and can see some 
rain heading to Bathurst soon. Its about time, although i doubt will last long. 
Anything wld be good. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Might be time to shut down 
computers.&nbsp; </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Sounding rather like gales 
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From: "Dave Ellem" <stormboy2002 at lexicon.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: Electrical Storm in Northern Rivers - 10th November
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Afternoon!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have written up a report on Sunday nights 
electrical storms near Lismore and Ballina along with some photos I took. It can 
be seen here:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks like more storms developing here 
now!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Enjoy!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Darwin & the Top End added to hourly charts
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I've added Darwin and the NT Top End to the regional charts at
http://www.australianweathernews.com/charts.shtml (sorry for the wait,
Paul ).

As would be expected, the wind streamlines show off areas of convergence
very nicely!

Laurier

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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>South island experienced two negative storm surges 
last winter when sea levels dropped by 0.5m.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water 
away from NZ.&nbsp; Story here if anybody is interested.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Negative storm surges
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt;from that article:</FONT></DIV>
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<P>&gt;The scientists, who noticed it on their remote-controlled sea level 
recorders, had never seen or heard of &gt;anything like it before. .two weeks 
after it first happened, it happened again..Scientists are struggling to 
&gt;explain data from July.. Niwa has also noticed that the sea level around the 
country tends to drop during El &gt;Nino years..Conversely, the sea level rises 
in La Nina years...typical sea level variation in El Nino or La Nina &gt;years 
was only around 4cm, compared with 50cm in the July events. 
<P>Just to put a perspective on this story, they have no more idea than anyone 
else as to what's going on and by their own admission don't fully understand 
ocean physics.&nbsp; All the more reason for them to stop telling everyone that 
the oceans are rising. One of them, on the radio today, even tried to blame 
global warming(yawn). These "negative storm surges" are a grand tidal 
phenomenon, lunar&nbsp;and on a 20 year cycle.
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  <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
  Williams</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  PM</DIV>
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  surges</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>South island experienced two negative storm 
  surges last winter when sea levels dropped by 0.5m.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deep lows to the south of the country sucked 
  water away from NZ.&nbsp; Story here if anybody is interested.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: More sea science
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<P>"..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North Shore 
beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati Whatua 
representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it included 
elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area. 
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get 
dissolved in water and some can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from 
another only 50 miles away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a 
sealevel rise of 1mm per year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at 
Lyttleton, a study well publicised at the time. On a constantly&nbsp;undulating 
sea, coming in and out each day, 1mm is amazing. &nbsp;It just shows you how 
clever NZers are.</FONT></P>
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  <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
  Williams</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Negative storm 
  surges</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>South island experienced two negative storm 
  surges last winter when sea levels dropped by 0.5m.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Deep lows to the south of the country sucked 
  water away from NZ.&nbsp; Story here if anybody is interested.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:28:38 +1100
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symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:symbol;
mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>James Holbeach</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>--------------------------------</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Trapdoor Ski Club </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mt. Hotham, Australia</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>ph. 0417 553 757</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="http://www.trapdoor.com.au/">http://www.trapdoor.com.au</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ken Ring<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 13 November 2002
8:30 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> aussie-weather at world.std.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> aus-wx: More sea science</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being
considered to restore a North Shore beach because local Maori object to sand
from the Coromandel. A Ngati Whatua representative said the Coromandel sand was
unacceptable because it included elements of blood and bone from another
tribe's area. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get
dissolved in water and some can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from
another only 50 miles away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel
rise of 1mm per year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a
study well publicised at the time. On a constantly&nbsp;undulating sea, coming
in and out each day, 1mm is amazing. &nbsp;It just shows you how clever NZers
are.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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<div style='font-color:black'>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz"
title="nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven Williams</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" title="aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Wednesday,
November 13, 2002 8:59 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> aus-wx:
Negative storm surges<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>South island experienced two
negative storm surges last winter when sea levels dropped by 0.5m.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Deep lows to the south of the
country sucked water away from NZ.&nbsp; Story here if anybody is interested.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004050&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004050&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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From: "Catherine Elliott" <faerinelda at hotmail.com>
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Bushfire/brushfire in North Frankston
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:32:45 +1100
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Hi all,

Today was amazing yet very unnerving and way too close to home. I thought I 
might share the day with you.

I called a friend of mine (who helps out in emergencies) at about 2.30 and 
found out there was a fire at The Pines Flora & Fauna Reserve (he was 
there), I have other friends who live there on Pecan, now if you know of 
frankston Nth you'll know that at the end of Excelsior is Honeysuckle (that 
is near where the fires stopped) just 60m or so back there is Rowan Ct off 
Marlock, this is where my friends grandmother lives, (my friends were 
sitting on their garrage watching it) At about 2.45 my sister and her 
flatmate went down there and the smoke was very thick and really dark. There 
were CFA & police there and they followed for a few seconds an SES vehicle 
but had to stop, couldn't go any further. they pulled into a ct and there 
were choppers up, 2 police and 1 fire we thought + the water chopper (? not 
too sure though) one of them was right above the car by about 10m. They left 
there and went to their house, great view of the plume of smoke, every now 
and then the smoke would start billowing up and was very dark red brown. I 
found out later on that the conservationists were very upset with the 
backburning that was started to stop the fire spreading down the side of the 
reserve, they didnt want it to be done and were arguing with people. & I 
have just found out that the fire is still burning but under control so that 
there is less risk during summer & that my first friend who i called was 
actually in the fire and was hit by water from the tanker. he went in with a 
CFA strike team and said it was hot. apparently the gumtrees shake when 
burning.

Anyway that was all (mainly courtesy of my friends but yeah) very 
interesting day.

yours
Catherine

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<DIV>here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.</DIV>
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<DIV>richard<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV id=receivestrings>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:11:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: aus-wx: More sea science</DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Must bite <SPAN class=SpellE>tounge</SPAN> . . . must . . . <SPAN class=GramE>.</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>noooooooo</SPAN> LOL- keep fishing ken </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN style="mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings">J</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P>&nbsp;</O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">James Holbeach</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">--------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Trapdoor Ski Club </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Mt. Hotham, Australia</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">ph. 0417 553 757</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes"><A href="http://www.trapdoor.com.au/">http://www.trapdoor.com.au</A></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">--------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN lang=EN-US style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ken Ring<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 13 November 2002 8:30 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> aus-wx: More sea science</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">"..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North Shore beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati Whatua representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it included elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area. <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;thesubsection=general</A></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and some can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm per year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study well publicised at the time. On a constantly&nbsp;undulating sea, coming in and out each day, 1mm is amazing. &nbsp;It just shows you how clever NZers are.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original Message ----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven Williams</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> aus-wx: Negative storm surges<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea levels dropped by 0.5m.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ.&nbsp; Story here if anybody is interested.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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I have photos (still in Film) of the Storm fronts over NZ that threw a Tornado through Christchurch from 17,000 feet three weeks ago.

Huge waves of Cumulonimbus Incus clouds etc..

Simon

Craig Arthur <craig_arthur at bigpond.com> wrote :

> I was flying back into Sydney yesterday 
> evening and grabbed a couple of photos of storms along the trough. Once I get 
> the film processed, I'll throw them up. Looked quite nice surrounded by Sc and 
> then these towers all nicely lined up...
> &nbsp;
> Craig
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>   -----Original Message-----From: 
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>   aussie-weather at world.std.comSubject: aus-wx: Hunter Chase - 13 
>   Nov
>   &nbsp;
>   Myself and Matt Smith got home late last night after chasing 
>   the Hunter succesfully yesterday. A Full report will b eon www.sydneystormchasers.com 
>   soon.
>   &nbsp;
>   Storms fired near Muswellbrook and Scone around 5pm with one 
>   particular storm we followed from Scone east to Timor dropping Hail around 2 - 
>   3 cms in places. Scone had some fantastic rain although for some reason it has 
>   0.0mm in the rainfall summary (The storm literally started precipitating right 
>   on Scone so I suspect the rain gauge is held somewhere west of Scone 
>   )
>   &nbsp;
>   Around Timor there were storms in every direction most with 
>   great structure , the odd hail shaft and some very heavy rain (Whatever the 
>   valley is east from Scone had some great rain totals in areas). Around 7pm we 
>   followed a cell N / NE of Murrundi that soon became a big complex of storms. 
>   Some fantastic lightning (about every second) with Matt and I taking as many 
>   photos as we could . Should get them developed today and have them online soon 
>   !
>   &nbsp;

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<DIV><FONT size=2>Myself and Matt Smith got home late last night after chasing 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Storms fired near Muswellbrook and Scone around 5pm with one 
particular storm we followed from Scone east to Timor dropping Hail around 2 - 3 
cms in places. Scone had some fantastic rain although for some reason it has 
0.0mm in the rainfall summary (The storm literally started precipitating right 
on Scone so I suspect the rain gauge is held somewhere west of Scone 
)</FONT></DIV>
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great structure , the odd hail shaft and some very heavy rain (Whatever the 
valley is east from Scone had some great rain totals in areas). Around 7pm we 
followed a cell N / NE of Murrundi that soon became a big complex of storms. 
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  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Storms fired near Muswellbrook and Scone around 5pm with one 
  particular storm we followed from Scone east to Timor dropping Hail around 2 - 
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  0.0mm in the rainfall summary (The storm literally started precipitating right 
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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From my website
.."Sydney sees rain.... between 16th-21st..."
One would have to say, with my give or take 24 hrs, that this is now looking
likely.
Ken

14/11/02 "ABC News
A cloudband crosses northern and eastern Australia ahead of a trough,
causing isolated showers and storms in the NT, QLD and NSW
New South Wales
Sydney
Late shower".



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here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.

richard

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: More sea science

Must bite tounge . . . must . . . . noooooooo LOL- keep fishing ken J

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"..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North Shore
beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati Whatua
representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it included
elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&thesection=news&t
hesubsection=general
So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and some
can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles
away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm per
year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study well
publicised at the time. On a constantly undulating sea, coming in and out ea
ch day, 1mm is amazing.  It just shows you how clever NZers are.

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Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges

South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea
levels dropped by 0.5m.
Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ.  Story here
if anybody is interested.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004050&thesection=news&t
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If I remember rightly there was some rain forecast for Sydney by you earlier
this month ?

To be fair that first rain forecast came close, but surface conditions did
not marry up with unstable upper air - the result nothing. Since July to
present in Shellharbour we have had just over 20mm of rain. This month has
had several 0.2mm falls, but hardly a 1mm on total yet.

Michael



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> >From my website
> .."Sydney sees rain.... between 16th-21st..."
> One would have to say, with my give or take 24 hrs, that this is now
looking
> likely.
> Ken
>
> 14/11/02 "ABC News
> A cloudband crosses northern and eastern Australia ahead of a trough,
> causing isolated showers and storms in the NT, QLD and NSW
> New South Wales
> Sydney
> Late shower".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Modistach
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:48 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: uh-oh!
>
>
> here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.
>
> richard
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:11:51 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: More sea science
>
> Must bite tounge . . . must . . . . noooooooo LOL- keep fishing ken J
>
> James Holbeach
> --------------------------------
> Trapdoor Ski Club
> Mt. Hotham, Australia
> ph. 0417 553 757
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au
> --------------------------------
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 8:30 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: More sea science
>
> "..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North
Shore
> beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati
Whatua
> representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it
included
> elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area.
>
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&thesection=news&t
> hesubsection=general
> So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and some
> can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles
> away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm
per
> year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study well
> publicised at the time. On a constantly undulating sea, coming in and out
ea
> ch day, 1mm is amazing.  It just shows you how clever NZers are.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Williams
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges
>
> South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea
> levels dropped by 0.5m.
> Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ.  Story
here
> if anybody is interested.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:04:05 +0800
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Now this comment brought some images to mind!
When I was a kid growing up in Australia, to "Throw (anything) up" meant 
to vomit it out through your mouth!

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 09:09:55 +1100
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> I was flying back into Sydney yesterday evening and grabbed a couple of
> photos of storms along the trough. Once I get the film processed, I'll
> throw
> them up. Looked quite nice surrounded by Sc and then these towers all
> nicely
> lined up...
> 
> Craig
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am a bit worried about the correlations of reduced sediment 
to higher organic growth.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am no scientist, but have spent hours in my younger days 
paddling through Lake Illawarra after green weed for bait and know the opposite 
is correct.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Weed and organic growth in the Lake peaks 1 to 2 months after 
a decent fresh. This I have seen time and time again. Last weekend I was 
struggling to find enough green weed for a some fishing.&nbsp; Lake Illawarra is 
at its lowest level that I can ever remember and salt levels a very 
high.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It is the same text book / no practice science that spent 
millions of dollars to come up with a sea wall that would keep Lake Illawarra 
open. I even wrote a letter to the local paper suggesting that the design was 
flawed and would simply allow Windang Beach to fill the&nbsp;channel dredged. 
The&nbsp;main flaws were that they only built&nbsp;one breakwater, and secondly 
it bent the wrong way, its design actually promoted the build up of sand. It 
would have been best if they&nbsp;left it alone, the Lake blocking is not 
unnatural, in fact it would in pre white history&nbsp;blocked for months 
or&nbsp;even into years at a time. Unfortunately a few misguided people have 
stolen the debate and would have you believe that Lake Illawarra once had an 
entrance that you could sail the Queen Mary up.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm 
and the owner told us a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old 
lino and found a paper from 1940.&nbsp; On it was list of predictions by Indigo 
Jones.&nbsp; It could have been a story in the local paper from this week or 
last week.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has 
heard of him perhaps further comments would be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many 
of which evidently have come true.&nbsp; Including a forecast of drought for 
2002 and 2003 with rain on 27th November this year.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway just thought that it could be interesting to 
everyone out of curiosities sake, to see what happens.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Dust Storm in Griffith
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:38:27 +1100
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Anyone else see this photo?
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/DroughtS.jpg

Looks eerily like Melbourne's Dust Storm!

James

James Holbeach
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Hmmm, the recent dust storm in brissy certainly did not present like this...
Just a gardual orangey darkening covering the sky from the South West,
followed by gradual reduction in visibility eventually down to about 250m.
But there was little wind with it, so I presume that it was very much into a
decaying phase by then, and dust was more or less just dropping out of the
mid levels.

John.
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Anyone else see this photo?
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/DroughtS.jpg

Looks eerily like Melbourne's Dust Storm!

James

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WOW..  what a photo..

Did you take this photo James?

Dave
Bathurst

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> Anyone else see this photo?
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> Looks eerily like Melbourne's Dust Storm!
>
> James
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LOL no- it was in the newspaper today

James Holbeach
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University of Melbourne, Australia
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WOW..  what a photo..

Did you take this photo James?

Dave
Bathurst

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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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Those conservationists should be thrown in the bloody fire so they
themselves can find out just how hot they get after around 20years of no
fire in the area. Then they might sit down, shutup and cooperate. I will
also attach a copy of an email I received from the NSWRFS which is VERY good
news in these matters.

Glen O'Riley
NSWRFS Member
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Positive Approach to Hazard Reduction

Thursday, 14 November 2002 - Members of the public are being encouraged to
voice their concerns about hazard reduction directly to the NSW Rural Fire
Service.

As a result of amendments to the Rural Fires Act on 1 August 2002, the
public now has an avenue of complaint when a landholder has failed to do
necessary hazard reduction.

Since the new legislation took effect, 72 complaints have been received by
the RFS. While 22 are still under investigation a range of solutions has
been achieved in other cases including directing the manual removal of the
bushfire hazards, prescribed burning of the area being programmed as a
priority following the end of the bushfire season or recognition that no
significant hazard exists.

All land owners and managers will be accountable to manage the fire risk on
their properties and, more particularly, to carry out any hazard reduction
that is needed to achieve this, said NSW Rural Fire Service Commissioner
Phil Koperberg.

If nothing is done after a concern has been properly identified, we can
direct the landholder to carry-out the hazard reduction or arrange for it to
be done and charge the landholder for costs incurred.

A complaint can be made to the RFS after a member of the public has
discussed the problem with the owner of the land and nothing has been done.

The RFS will investigate the complaint, identify the extent and authenticity
of any hazard, as well as review what hazard reduction has previously taken
place and what may currently be planned in that vicinity.

A letter detailing these activities will be sent to the concerned person and
an RFS officer will discuss hazard reduction options and property protection
strategies with them.

Commissioner Koperberg said that, whilst much hazard reduction had been
carried out since the recent Christmas/New Year Fires, there was room for
improvement.

Recently introduced legislation will ensure there is a more pragmatic
approach to the problem and private land owners will find it easier to carry
out hazard reduction on their own land in the future.

The ongoing audit process will help identify particular bushfire hazards
and have them dealt with by land managers, both public and private, said
Commissioner Koperberg.

__________________________________________________________


Thursday, 14 November 2002 - Total Fire Ban

The Commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service has declared a Total Fire Ban
in the following Weather Forecast Districts:
North West Plains and Central Western Plains.

The weather forecast for these areas is very high temperature, low humidity
and moderate to strong winds. These conditions are conducive to fire
activity and the community is urged to take particular care. Fire danger in
this area will be extreme or approaching extreme.

The Total Fire Ban will become effective for the 24 hours from MIDNIGHT
TONIGHT, Wednesday, November 13, 2002 for 24 hours until MIDNIGHT Thursday,
14 November 2002.

During a Total Fire Ban no fire of any kind may be lit in the open. This
includes incinerators and barbecues, which burn solid fuel, e.g. wood or
charcoal. You may use a gas or electric barbecue, but only if
? It is on residential property within 20m of the house or dwelling;
? It is under the direct control of a responsible adult;
? The ground around the barbecue is cleared for 3m of all material which
could burn;
? You have a continuous supply of running water.

A map identifying the boundaries of weather districts can be found on the
Bureau of Meteorology web site at
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/dist_map.shtml.

Members of the public can phone 1 800 654 443 or their local NSW Rural Fire
Service Fire Control Centre for more information.


__________________________________________________________

Wednesday, 13 November 2002

No threat to Bundanoon

The Touga fire in the Shoalhaven area poses no immediate threat to the
villages of Penrose, Wingello and Bundanoon, the NSW Rural Fire Service
(RFS) said today.

The RFS wants to quell any fears residents may have about the current risk
to these villages.

``There is no immediate threat to Penrose, Wingello and Bundanoon, the fire
is still on the southern side of the Shoalhaven gorge and is in no way
threatening those areas, Superintendent David Phillips said.

``Even if the fire were to approach those areas over the next 24 to 36 hours
it would pose minimal threat.

Residents of these villages have been handed fire preparation advice notices
to encourage them to prepare properties and advise them of appropriate
contact details as a precautionary measure, however, the fire remains a
considerable distance from villages.

``These notices are purely precautionary and are an excellent way to
encourage home owners to prepare their land and homes and give them advice
and assistance, Supt Phillips said.

Dust in the atmosphere around the Southern Highlands may be contributing to
concerns about fire threat.

``Dust from a storm in Mildura has rolled into the area this morning and
could be confused for smoke, however, this is not the case, Supt Phillips
said.

Residents can call the Wingecarribee Emergency Operations Centre on 1800 033
088 for further advice.

__________________________________________________________


Wednesday 13 November 2002

STATEWIDE FIRE UPDATE

More than 1500 firefighters are working on 87 fires that have burnt more
than 475,000 hectares across NSW.

Firefighters from the NSW Rural Fire Service (RFS), National Parks and
Wildlife Service (NPWS), State Forests (SF), NSW Fire Brigades (NSWFB) and
interstate agencies including Country Fire Authority (CFA) and the
Department of Natural Resources and Environment (DNRE) from Victoria, the
Tasmania Fire Service (TFS) and the Tasmania National Parks (TNPWS).
Weather conditions today are expected to deteriorate across the State.
A total fire ban has been declared for the North West Slopes, North West
Plains, Hunter,
Central West Slopes and Central West Plains districts.

Mittagong  Wingecarribee Complex of fires

The Wingecarribee Complex of fires that destroyed fives houses and has
burned approximately 2,500 hectares in the Mittagong area on Sunday is being
controlled.

Mild weather conditions yesterday assisted firefighters in establishing
containment lines.

More than 80 personnel will be working to mop up and black out containment
lines with machinery and aerial waterbombing operations to slow the progress
of the fire east of the Nattai River and north of Mittagong to protect rural
properties and the townships of Welby, Mittagong and Colo Vale.


Upper Hawkesbury - Bala Range  Putty Road remains closed

To date the Bala Range fire has burned in excess of 69,630 hectares mainly
in National Park and at its widest extends for 35 kilometres and is 25
kilometres in length.

The Bala Range fire is being contained in the northeastern division. Ground
crews and dozers will be working on strengthening the northern cutoff of the
fire Garland 2001 and Mt Yengo 2001 fires.

Crews will continue to mop up and patrol the southwestern division of the
fire along the Putty Road to Bunjin Hill.
Due to backburning operations, the Putty Road remains closed to through
traffic and only residents will be allowed to travel between Wheelbarrow
Ridge Road, Colo Heights and the Garland Valley Halfway House until further
notice.

Cessnock/ Singleton District - Property protection remains the priority

The Mt View fire 10km southwest of Cessnock is being controlled. Helicopter
waterbombing is being done on the northeast edges to enable crews to
construct a dozer line. Crews will be waterbombing and mopping up the active
fire east of Stringybark Ridge.

Crews working on the Fal Brook fire are focussing on property protection
along the Cassell Road and water bombing the northern and eastern edges.

The St Clair fire is being patrolled and crews today will be working on
property protection and containing the fire west of the Dungog Shire
boundary using dozer lines.

The Gunnadoo fire west of the Brokenback Range is going and crews will be
working today on dozer lines and backburns. No property is currently under
threat and residents have been allowed to return to the Coolawine Estate.


Great Lakes District  Euther Fire - environmental threat
The Euther Fire burning on NPWS estate remains a threat to environmental
assets and has the potential to impact on telecommunications infrastructure
at Cabbage Tree Tower. Crews will be working on dozer lines and a backurn is
being put in place along the Cabbage Tree Trail.


Gloucester District fires

The Cravens Peak fire is contained and crews will be working today to
strengthen containment lines and waterbomb hotspots to prevent it from
encroaching on the north side of Cravens Peak.

The Beean Beean fire is being controlled and crews will be working to mop up
and patrol the backburn put in between the Barrington and Kerript Rivers.
Broader containment lines are being established.


Northern Tablelands fires

A total of 50 fires have been listed within the Section 44 covering the
Inverell, Severn, Guyra and Tenterfield Council area since 28 September.

The Spirabo Complex of fires is still active in places, burning in remote
mountainous areas east of Glenn Innes. A 20km backburn is progressing on the
northern edge of the fire.

The Stop a bit fire on the eastern edge of the Northern Tablelands is being
contained, down to the Sara River near the Guy Fawkes River valley. Crews
are working to deepen containment lines and carry out backburns.

Crews are patrolling the perimeters of the Strathmore and Buchanan fires and
mopping up areas that are still smouldering.

The Torrington/ Bobs Swamp fire is being contained and crews will be working
today to contain the fire within established control lines.


Scone district  backburning for containment

The Glen Range 2 fire is being controlled and is burning within established
containment lines. Crews will be working today on backburning operations
along the eastern and western boundaries.

The Tubrabucca complex of fires has burned more than 4,700 hectares into the
Barrington Tops National Park and State Forest areas. Today, crews will work
to protect properties to the west and north of the fire. Backburning has
contained the spread of the fires to the north, east and south and crews
will be focussed on establishing a western containment line today.

The Gog Top complex of fires is burning along the Gog Top Range and Gulf
Mountain plateau into remote country. Crews will be working consolidate
containment lines today.


Shoalhaven  Roads and National Park areas closed
The Touga fire west of Nowra is on the floor of the Ettrema Gorge and is
continuing to progress through inaccessible terrain. Crews will be working
today to contain an outbreak on the southwestern corner along the Tolwong
Road, blacking out the western flank and aircraft waterbombing the northern
flank below the Shoalhaven River.

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Subject: aus-wx: Bushfire/brushfire in North Frankston


Hi all,

Today was amazing yet very unnerving and way too close to home. I thought I
might share the day with you.

I called a friend of mine (who helps out in emergencies) at about 2.30 and
found out there was a fire at The Pines Flora & Fauna Reserve (he was
there), I have other friends who live there on Pecan, now if you know of
frankston Nth you'll know that at the end of Excelsior is Honeysuckle (that
is near where the fires stopped) just 60m or so back there is Rowan Ct off
Marlock, this is where my friends grandmother lives, (my friends were
sitting on their garrage watching it) At about 2.45 my sister and her
flatmate went down there and the smoke was very thick and really dark. There
were CFA & police there and they followed for a few seconds an SES vehicle
but had to stop, couldn't go any further. they pulled into a ct and there
were choppers up, 2 police and 1 fire we thought + the water chopper (? not
too sure though) one of them was right above the car by about 10m. They left
there and went to their house, great view of the plume of smoke, every now
and then the smoke would start billowing up and was very dark red brown. I
found out later on that the conservationists were very upset with the
backburning that was started to stop the fire spreading down the side of the
reserve, they didnt want it to be done and were arguing with people. & I
have just found out that the fire is still burning but under control so that
there is less risk during summer & that my first friend who i called was
actually in the fire and was hit by water from the tanker. he went in with a
CFA strike team and said it was hot. apparently the gumtrees shake when
burning.

Anyway that was all (mainly courtesy of my friends but yeah) very
interesting day.

yours
Catherine

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<DIV><SPAN class=966360003-14112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ah, 
the joys of pulling up old lino!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=966360003-14112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
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<DIV><SPAN class=966360003-14112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Of 
equal interest, of course, would be the&nbsp;predictions that didn't come true. 
If I make 100 predictions, the law of averages says that a proportion will come 
true. The more general my predictions, and/or the greater the frequency of such 
an event anyway, the better the chance of success. "It will rain somewhere in 
Queensland in December 2075" has a pretty good chance of coming true. "There 
will more than 25mm of rain at Observatory Hill, Sydney, on 27 March 2075" is a 
bit less likely to be successful.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Adam 
Mayo<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 14 November, 2002 00:34<BR><B>To:</B> 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar 
  Farm and the owner told us a story about someone in that area who had pulled 
  up old lino and found a paper from 1940.&nbsp; On it was list of predictions 
  by Indigo Jones.&nbsp; It could have been a story in the local paper from this 
  week or last week.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has 
  heard of him perhaps further comments would be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many 
  of which evidently have come true.&nbsp; Including a forecast of drought for 
  2002 and 2003 with rain on 27th November this year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway just thought that it could be interesting 
  to everyone out of curiosities sake, to see what happens.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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Inigo Jones' predictions used to be in the "Weekly Times" when I was a 
kid and everyone in the bush used to follow them when planning what they 
would do on the farm.
Later, Lennox Walker took over from him.
Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:32 +1100
Subject: aus-wx:  Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern Highlands

> Hi All,
> 
> Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm and the owner told
> us a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old lino and
> found a paper from 1940.  On it was list of predictions by Indigo
> Jones.  It could have been a story in the local paper from this week or
> last week.
> 
> If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has heard of him perhaps
> further comments would be interesting.
> 
> The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many of which evidently
> have come true.  Including a forecast of drought for 2002 and 2003 with
> rain on 27th November this year.
> 
> Anyway just thought that it could be interesting to everyone out of
> curiosities sake, to see what happens.  
> 
> Judy Mayo
> 

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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John, the photo shows a true dust storm. What you experienced in Brisbane
(and we have had here in Blackheath twice in the past month) was not a dust
storm, but widespread dust in the atmosphere. The proper meteorological
definition is:

Duststorm (or sandstorm): "A storm in which dust or sand is raised by
turbulent winds to great heights and surface visibility is reduced to less
than 1km (for the purpose of a synoptic report). The necessary conditions
for a duststorm, whose arrival is marked by a 'wall of dust', are a supply
of fine dust, the sudden onset of relatively strong winds and a steep lapse
rate of temperature." (from the UKMO Meteorological Glossary)

In WMO parlance, "widespread dust in suspension in the air, not raised by
wind at or near the station at the time of observation" is not a duststorm.
In weather reporting (see
http://www.australianweathernews.com/images/wxcode1.gif), there's one code
(06) for the latter, but 8 (07, 09, 30 to 35) for the real thing.

Laurier


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>
>
> Hmmm, the recent dust storm in brissy certainly did not present
> like this...
> Just a gardual orangey darkening covering the sky from the South West,
> followed by gradual reduction in visibility eventually down to about 250m.
> But there was little wind with it, so I presume that it was very
> much into a
> decaying phase by then, and dust was more or less just dropping out of the
> mid levels.
>
> John.
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> Anyone else see this photo?
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/DroughtS.jpg
>
> Looks eerily like Melbourne's Dust Storm!
>
> James
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He also forecast the heavy rains of June 1967 back in 1934 or thereabouts.
Lennox Walker (see other emails) used to be published every Sunday in the
Sun Herald, I think it was.
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> Inigo Jones' predictions used to be in the "Weekly Times" when I was a
> kid and everyone in the bush used to follow them when planning what they
> would do on the farm.
> Later, Lennox Walker took over from him.
> Phil
> <><
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 11:33:32 +1100
> Subject: aus-wx:  Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern Highlands
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm and the owner told
> > us a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old lino and
> > found a paper from 1940.  On it was list of predictions by Indigo
> > Jones.  It could have been a story in the local paper from this week or
> > last week.
> >
> > If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has heard of him perhaps
> > further comments would be interesting.
> >
> > The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many of which evidently
> > have come true.  Including a forecast of drought for 2002 and 2003 with
> > rain on 27th November this year.
> >
> > Anyway just thought that it could be interesting to everyone out of
> > curiosities sake, to see what happens.
> >
> > Judy Mayo
> >
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:53:19 +1100
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Judy...
I referred to this is my column in the Daily Telegraph last week... no
noe can find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth. 

Don White

> Adam Mayo wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm and the owner told
> us a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old lino and
> found a paper from 1940.  On it was list of predictions by Indigo
> Jones.  It could have been a story in the local paper from this week
> or last week.
> 
> If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has heard of him perhaps
> further comments would be interesting.
> 
> The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many of which evidently
> have come true.  Including a forecast of drought for 2002 and 2003
> with rain on 27th November this year.
> 
> Anyway just thought that it could be interesting to everyone out of
> curiosities sake, to see what happens.
> 
> Judy Mayo
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<x-flowed>
It's also done the rounds up here on the North Coast about 2 weeks ago. ABC 
tracked it down to someone in Kyogle, who reckoned they had made it up, but 
who knows :)



At 04:53 PM 14/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>Judy...
>I referred to this is my column in the Daily Telegraph last week... no
>noe can find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.
>
>Don White
>
> > Adam Mayo wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm and the owner told
> > us a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old lino and
> > found a paper from 1940.  On it was list of predictions by Indigo
> > Jones.  It could have been a story in the local paper from this week
> > or last week.
> >
> > If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has heard of him perhaps
> > further comments would be interesting.
> >
> > The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many of which evidently
> > have come true.  Including a forecast of drought for 2002 and 2003
> > with rain on 27th November this year.
> >
> > Anyway just thought that it could be interesting to everyone out of
> > curiosities sake, to see what happens.
> >
> > Judy Mayo
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=1>Yay..go Ingo!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I've 
already said&nbsp;the 27th will certainly be a rain date for both Aussie and NZ 
locations. From my website </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=1></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=1>1. "rain for Auckland and Bay of Plenty 
comes between ..27th-30th".&nbsp; <BR>2. A cold front moves onto NZ (27th - 
28th)bringing widespread rain, apart from in the E of both islands. Rain is 
likely to <BR>continue in most areas until the 29th.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif"><FONT size=1><FONT>3. Biggest falls for Wagga 
Wagga should be around&nbsp; ..and 27th. <BR>4. Darwin can expect ..falling 
between the 20th-28th. <BR></FONT>5. Brisbane can expect ..rain 
..25th-27th.<BR>6. Canberra ..rain likely&nbsp;.. 26th-29th. 
</FONT></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>7. Melbourne’s rain..26th-29th.&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Inigo Jones knew what he was talking about, as many 
old timers will attest. He used astrology/astronomy as did Sir isaac Newton, as 
did&nbsp;astrometeorologists about 12000 years ago and still do 
today.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar 
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  up old lino and found a paper from 1940.&nbsp; On it was list of predictions 
  by Indigo Jones.&nbsp; It could have been a story in the local paper from this 
  week or last week.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has 
  heard of him perhaps further comments would be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many 
  of which evidently have come true.&nbsp; Including a forecast of drought for 
  2002 and 2003 with rain on 27th November this year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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> ABC
> tracked it down to someone in Kyogle, who reckoned they had made it up,
but
> who knows :)
>... no
> >noe can find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.
> >
How absolutely unfortunate for a guy like Jones to have his life's work
called an urban myth that someone made up. The Crohamhurst Observatory was
set up in 1935. Lennox joined in 1953, an observatory that was world famous
in its time. Get the book "Only An Australian" by Lennox Walker. ISBN 0 646
829855 0

"Long-range Forecasting
Australian farmers have always had an insatiable appetite for long-range
weather forecasts and, for many years, the late Inigo Jones, who had worked
under Clement Wragge in Brisbane, provided seasonal forecasts from his
privately operated Crohamhurst Observatory in southeast Queensland. Despite
two Ministerially commissioned investigations which concluded that his
forecasting methods had no scientific basis, the demand for his forecasts
remained and after his death the service continued under Lennox Walker..."
http://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/fam/1604.html

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:06:23 +0800
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Yes Glen, I'll say "Amen!" to your suggestion.
I have seen backburning effectively contain so many fires over the 
years, that they are crazy to oppose it.

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> Those conservationists should be thrown in the bloody fire so they
> themselves can find out just how hot they get after around 20years of
> no
> fire in the area. Then they might sit down, shutup and cooperate. 
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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Backburning and hazard reduction are not the same thing.

Hazard reduction is used to reduce fuel loads and in many cases will
reduce the intensity of a fire should one break out. However, it should
be noted that in extreme conditions, areas that have been hazard reduced
can still burn very intensiely should be fire get into the forest crown.

Backburning is used to form a firebreak around an uncontrolled fire.

Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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Yes Glen, I'll say "Amen!" to your suggestion.
I have seen backburning effectively contain so many fires over the 
years, that they are crazy to oppose it.

Phil
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> Those conservationists should be thrown in the bloody fire so they 
> themselves can find out just how hot they get after around 20years of 
> no fire in the area. Then they might sit down, shutup and cooperate.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Judy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Funny you should mention Indigo Jones. My flat mate 
is not much into weather, but knows I am, and came home with the words "Indigo 
Jones" written on a piece of paper. She is the manager of a Service Station and 
a regular customer came in telling her about this Indigo fellow, mentioning that 
he predicted this drought being severe. The only irregularity I have with your 
comments is that she was told drought breaking rain would occur on the 20th 
November. She too, mentioned that an old paper was pulled up from under 
lino.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let's hope he might of known what he was on 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar 
  Farm and the owner told us a story about someone in that area who had pulled 
  up old lino and found a paper from 1940.&nbsp; On it was list of predictions 
  by Indigo Jones.&nbsp; It could have been a story in the local paper from this 
  week or last week.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If Don White or anyone else who reads this, has 
  heard of him perhaps further comments would be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
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  of which evidently have come true.&nbsp; Including a forecast of drought for 
  2002 and 2003 with rain on 27th November this year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway just thought that it could be interesting 
  to everyone out of curiosities sake, to see what happens.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Bushfire/brushfire in North Frankston
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:06:34 +1000
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Indeed,

And let us not mark the number of 'controlled burns' which have got out of
control and which in many cases have caused damage to property and have even
led to loss of life.

Fire is such a problem because 98% of fires are started by humans,
regrettably many of them deliberately by juveniles.  They are a thus a fact
of life in the Australian bush, and no amount of hazard reduction will ever
make the problem disappear.  My observation is that repeated annual or
bi-annual burning yields degraded weed infested bushland with significantly
reduced levels of wildlife and greater propensity for next dry period 'grass
fires'.

The answer to property destruction is to create building codes and council
regulation that improve fire proofing of 'close to bush' buildings and
prevent construction where wildfire presents risk, i.e, adequate fire breaks
and buffer zones must exist and be maintained.

People who build timber and timber framed houses either in or right next to
bushland or on the edge of escarpments overlooking bush, must expect that
one day they will lose the property to fire, ipso facto.

John.

p.s.  Speaking as someone who has owned several properties right on the edge
of bushland in Hornsby (on Waitara Ck) and Asquith (on Berowra bushland
reserve), and who presently lives on well bushed acreage in SE QLD.  One day
there WILL be a fire and you had better be prepared for it!

>snip
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Backburning and hazard reduction are not the same thing.

Hazard reduction is used to reduce fuel loads and in many cases will
reduce the intensity of a fire should one break out. However, it should
be noted that in extreme conditions, areas that have been hazard reduced
can still burn very intensiely should be fire get into the forest crown.

Backburning is used to form a firebreak around an uncontrolled fire.

Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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Yes Glen, I'll say "Amen!" to your suggestion.
I have seen backburning effectively contain so many fires over the
years, that they are crazy to oppose it.

Phil
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> Those conservationists should be thrown in the bloody fire so they
> themselves can find out just how hot they get after around 20years of
> no fire in the area. Then they might sit down, shutup and cooperate.
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From: "James Chambers" <jamestorm at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi John, all

It was a little different down here just south of Brisbane.  We had periods
of gusty winds (with blowing dust/leaves, followed by light/calm winds.
Visibility was reduced to about 500m for about an hour at it's worst.  The
most memorable part was the actual smell and feel of it - a very strange
feeling!

I took a couple of pics as the dust moved in close to sunset:
http://www.bsch.au.com/seqstorms/photos/2002/231102b.jpg
http://www.bsch.au.com/seqstorms/photos/2002/231102c.jpg

The thicker dust just under the sun completely covered it about 1-2mins
later.  A bit of a wall of dust, but not really :)

Regards
James

Brisbane Storms
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html



> Hmmm, the recent dust storm in brissy certainly did not present like
this...
> Just a gardual orangey darkening covering the sky from the South West,
> followed by gradual reduction in visibility eventually down to about 250m.
> But there was little wind with it, so I presume that it was very much into
a
> decaying phase by then, and dust was more or less just dropping out of the
> mid levels.
>
> John.
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>
>
> Anyone else see this photo?
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/DroughtS.jpg
>
> Looks eerily like Melbourne's Dust Storm!
>
> James
>
> James Holbeach
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:45:41 +1030 (Cen. Australia Daylight Time)
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Ken..
I am perfectly aware of Jones, his son-in-law, Lennox Walker and his
son, Haydon who still shares  a column space with me in The Land
newspaper.
At least they based their assessment on sunspot activity - probably
having a little more input into the variation of energy in the
atmosphere than the moon.

No - no one said or even inferred their work was an urban myth. Read it
again if you must. Your response is typical of either your ignorance or
your inability to understand English... perhaps it is the latter given
your track record on the days it was supposed to rain in Sydney so far
this month and hasn't...  but given your logic, we'll just ignore all
those false assessments - bound to get one right eventually. 
But please read what is written before making stupid comments.
Don White

Ken Ring wrote:
> 
> > ABC
> > tracked it down to someone in Kyogle, who reckoned they had made it up,
> but
> > who knows :)
> >... no
> > >noe can find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.
> > >
> How absolutely unfortunate for a guy like Jones to have his life's work
> called an urban myth that someone made up. The Crohamhurst Observatory was
> set up in 1935. Lennox joined in 1953, an observatory that was world famous
> in its time. Get the book "Only An Australian" by Lennox Walker. ISBN 0 646
> 829855 0
> 
> "Long-range Forecasting
> Australian farmers have always had an insatiable appetite for long-range
> weather forecasts and, for many years, the late Inigo Jones, who had worked
> under Clement Wragge in Brisbane, provided seasonal forecasts from his
> privately operated Crohamhurst Observatory in southeast Queensland. Despite
> two Ministerially commissioned investigations which concluded that his
> forecasting methods had no scientific basis, the demand for his forecasts
> remained and after his death the service continued under Lennox Walker..."
> http://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/fam/1604.html
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From: "Steve Baynham" <bayns at broad.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Great photos Dave! - Electrical Storm in Northern Rivers - 10th November
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hey Dave!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some awesome lightning there, man! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Really appreciate the effort you and other 
chasers&nbsp;put in&nbsp;to sharing your&nbsp;pics and reports so 
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  Northern Rivers - 10th November</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Afternoon!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have written up a report on Sunday nights 
  electrical storms near Lismore and Ballina along with some photos I took. It 
  can be seen here:</FONT></DIV>
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  now!!</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Subject: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002
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The following from NOAA should interest all that remember what having hourly
satpix was like!

Laurier


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Subject: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan: Effective for March 31, 2003:
Issued
Topic: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan
Message Issued: October 31, 2002, 1322 UTC
Satellites Impacted: GMS-5 and GOES-9
Products Impacted: Current GMS-5 imagery
Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 31, 2003

-----------------------------------------

Details:

***GOES-9 is scheduled to replace GMS-5 located over the west Pacific at
155E on March 31, 2003***

GMS-5, the Japanese Meteorological Agency's (JMA) meteorological
satellite located at 140E, launched in 1995 and providing meteorological
data over Japan, the West Pacific Ocean, Australia, and Asia, is
scheduled to be temporarily replaced with NOAA's GOES-9 satellite on
March 31, 2003, with its final location at 155E.  For more information
on GMS-5 and MTSAT (JMA's next meteorological satellite), visit
http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/  and
http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/new/index.htm .

In order to support the operation of GOES-9 from 155E, a command and
control ground station is currently being built in Fairbanks, Alaska.
Below are some of the tentative dates and plans for the operation of
GOES-9.

(1) GOES-9 Out of storage  December 11, 2002
Note: Some preliminary GOES-9 GVAR data will be available from approx
December 12, 2002 through approx January 11, 2003 using the Wallops, VA
CDA.
(2) GOES-9 North/South maneuver December 16, 2002
(3) GOES-9 to drift west at .8 degrees/day starting December 19, 2002
(4) GOES-9 imaging suspended approx January 11, 2003 to transfer CDA
control from Wallops to Fairbanks
(5) GOES-9 imagery resumes approx March 1, 2003 using Fairbanks CDA

**(6) Operations using GOES-9 start March 31, 2003, at which time GOES-9
will be at 170E
(a) At this point, it is planned for GMS-5  to stop disseminating high
resolution data, and to transmit GOES-9 WEFAX via the GMS-5 satellite.
(b) Users currently obtaining GMS-5 WEFAX from GMS-5 should not need to
make any changes to receive GOES-9 WEFAX via GMS-5
(c) GOES-9 data will _not_ be converted to VISSR and relayed through
GMS-5
(d) GOES-9 WEFAX products should be made available via GOES-10 as a one
to one replacement of the current GMS-5 WEFAX products that are made
available via GOES-10 (see
http://noaasis.noaa.gov/NOAASIS/ml/wefax_sked.html for this current
schedule)
(e) Imagery will be available both via GVAR for direct readout, and from
DOMSAT for CONUS users.  More details when further information is
available.

(7) Approx April 18, GOES-9 arrives on station at 155E.

Scanning Strategies:
Imager:
While not finalized, the GOES-9 imager schedule will roughly reflect the
current GMS-5 scanning schedule.  Hourly full disk images from pole to
pole will begin at HH:34, ending at HH:00. Every 6 hours, an abbreviated
full disk (exact location to be determined, but roughly +/- 49 N/S) will
begin at HH:08 and end at HH:26 where HH=5, 11, 17, 23.  For the other
20 hours of the day between HH:08 and HH:26, it has yet to be determined
what the scanning scenario will be, but will likely consist of several
shorter sectors in the northern hemisphere.
Sounder:
While also not finalized, the GOES-9 sounder instrument will be on
during this time providing 50 minute scans every hour, and will be
scanning parts of the northern hemisphere 16 times a day, parts of the
equatorial region 4 times a day, and parts of the southern hemisphere 4
times a day.

More information on the transition from GMS-5 to GOES-9 will be provided
as it becomes available.  Once schedules and sectors are finalized,
information will be posted via email and our home page.

------------------------------------------

Contact Information:
Tom Renkevens
Satellite Services Division
NOAA/NESDIS/OSDPD
301-763-8081 x109
thomas.renkevens at noaa.gov

See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SATS/messages.html  for this and other
satellite related messages.
See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov  for full GOES scanning schedules.


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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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> Ken..
> I am perfectly aware of Jones, his son-in-law, Lennox Walker and his
> son, Haydon who still shares  a column space with me in The Land
> newspaper. No - no one said or even inferred their work was an urban myth.
Read it
> again if you must. Your response is typical of either your ignorance or
> your inability to understand English.
Here we go, slanging again. Well, you were ambiguous when you said "I
referred to this is my column in the Daily Telegraph last week... no noe can
find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.." Hard to tell if the
writer meant the report was the myth or Jones. I'd have thought a journo
would have a better grasp of the craft.

> At least they based their assessment on sunspot activity - probably
> having a little more input into the variation of energy in the
> atmosphere than the moon.
Not necessarily. Walker admits in his book (p245)that in drought years there
is often a dearth of sunspot activity.  I have in my possession a very
ancient tattered booklet by Inigo Jones, probably a collectors item, called
My Meteorological Career. He does not dismiss the moon, the only reference
being "Mr Tippenhauer, of Haiti, had a theory almost identical with my own,
even to the electro-magnetic principle involved, but he included the moon,
which I have never done."

>  given
> your track record on the days it was supposed to rain in Sydney so far
> this month and hasn't...
Oh? I was as right as the BoM at the time, check back and see. That's all I
ever try to be. But I did it months before. It sounds like a pathetic case
of envy on your part. I've said (on 24th July).." but November, aha, I think
you'll see around 40-50mm. Most of that will be from 16th-24th November."
Let's wait and see. Only a couple of days to go. So far, the BoM appears on
track with me again. It's clouding over right now.."Cloud builds in a trough
over eastern Australia, causing potentially severe thunderstorms and showers
across NSW and QLD.." That's tonight's posting on ABC. I'm MORE than happy
with that. There's nothing wrong with putting up forecasts way ahead. That's
what real forecasters are meant to do, Don.  But for all your condemning of
me, I don't see your forecasts anywhere.



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Ken...
Regrettasbly you are also dishonest.
You stated on 24 July:
My prediction for Sydney:
Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
and
24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.

So far 2-3rd - no rain - you were wrong
7-10th - no rain  - you were wrong.
Any fool would relaise that there is a fair chance of rain  between
15-22 nd (you want 1 day either side) or 25-29th.... so what. In 25 or
the last 26 years it has rained in Sydney on at least one of those dates
so you are hardly giving any useful guide.
So, it does rain sometime in the 2nd half of November - the best you can
claim is 50% accuracy although you will probably manipulate  your
rubbish. Even on 50% accuracy - in Australia you would be out of
business if you tried to charge for such rubbish.
Forget the envy. I just feel sorry for all the poor fools you are
misleading with this rubbish.  Or maybe there are enough gullible people
here as well. Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back

Don White

Ken Ring wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:47 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern Highlands
> 
> > Ken..
> > I am perfectly aware of Jones, his son-in-law, Lennox Walker and his
> > son, Haydon who still shares  a column space with me in The Land
> > newspaper. No - no one said or even inferred their work was an urban myth.
> Read it
> > again if you must. Your response is typical of either your ignorance or
> > your inability to understand English.
> Here we go, slanging again. Well, you were ambiguous when you said "I
> referred to this is my column in the Daily Telegraph last week... no noe can
> find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.." Hard to tell if the
> writer meant the report was the myth or Jones. I'd have thought a journo
> would have a better grasp of the craft.
> 
> > At least they based their assessment on sunspot activity - probably
> > having a little more input into the variation of energy in the
> > atmosphere than the moon.
> Not necessarily. Walker admits in his book (p245)that in drought years there
> is often a dearth of sunspot activity.  I have in my possession a very
> ancient tattered booklet by Inigo Jones, probably a collectors item, called
> My Meteorological Career. He does not dismiss the moon, the only reference
> being "Mr Tippenhauer, of Haiti, had a theory almost identical with my own,
> even to the electro-magnetic principle involved, but he included the moon,
> which I have never done."
> 
> >  given
> > your track record on the days it was supposed to rain in Sydney so far
> > this month and hasn't...
> Oh? I was as right as the BoM at the time, check back and see. That's all I
> ever try to be. But I did it months before. It sounds like a pathetic case
> of envy on your part. I've said (on 24th July).." but November, aha, I think
> you'll see around 40-50mm. Most of that will be from 16th-24th November."
> Let's wait and see. Only a couple of days to go. So far, the BoM appears on
> track with me again. It's clouding over right now.."Cloud builds in a trough
> over eastern Australia, causing potentially severe thunderstorms and showers
> across NSW and QLD.." That's tonight's posting on ABC. I'm MORE than happy
> with that. There's nothing wrong with putting up forecasts way ahead. That's
> what real forecasters are meant to do, Don.  But for all your condemning of
> me, I don't see your forecasts anywhere.
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx:  Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern  Highlands
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I beg to differ. From ABC News
"3rd: A band of cloud extends from the Kimberley across southeast Australia
to the Bight along a trough, bringing scattered showers and thunderstorms to
SA, VIC and NSW.."
7th-10th no rain, true.
When you get through slanging, spitting and generally choking on my
forecasts, how about a forecast of your own - if you have any time left..?


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> Ken...
> Regrettasbly you are also dishonest.
> You stated on 24 July:
> My prediction for Sydney:
> Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
> and
> 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
>
> So far 2-3rd - no rain - you were wrong
> 7-10th - no rain  - you were wrong.
> Any fool would relaise that there is a fair chance of rain  between
> 15-22 nd (you want 1 day either side) or 25-29th.... so what. In 25 or
> the last 26 years it has rained in Sydney on at least one of those dates
> so you are hardly giving any useful guide.
> So, it does rain sometime in the 2nd half of November - the best you can
> claim is 50% accuracy although you will probably manipulate  your
> rubbish. Even on 50% accuracy - in Australia you would be out of
> business if you tried to charge for such rubbish.
> Forget the envy. I just feel sorry for all the poor fools you are
> misleading with this rubbish.  Or maybe there are enough gullible people
> here as well. Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
> repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back
>
> Don White
>
> Ken Ring wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern
Highlands
> >
> > > Ken..
> > > I am perfectly aware of Jones, his son-in-law, Lennox Walker and his
> > > son, Haydon who still shares  a column space with me in The Land
> > > newspaper. No - no one said or even inferred their work was an urban
myth.
> > Read it
> > > again if you must. Your response is typical of either your ignorance
or
> > > your inability to understand English.
> > Here we go, slanging again. Well, you were ambiguous when you said "I
> > referred to this is my column in the Daily Telegraph last week... no noe
can
> > find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.." Hard to tell if
the
> > writer meant the report was the myth or Jones. I'd have thought a journo
> > would have a better grasp of the craft.
> >
> > > At least they based their assessment on sunspot activity - probably
> > > having a little more input into the variation of energy in the
> > > atmosphere than the moon.
> > Not necessarily. Walker admits in his book (p245)that in drought years
there
> > is often a dearth of sunspot activity.  I have in my possession a very
> > ancient tattered booklet by Inigo Jones, probably a collectors item,
called
> > My Meteorological Career. He does not dismiss the moon, the only
reference
> > being "Mr Tippenhauer, of Haiti, had a theory almost identical with my
own,
> > even to the electro-magnetic principle involved, but he included the
moon,
> > which I have never done."
> >
> > >  given
> > > your track record on the days it was supposed to rain in Sydney so far
> > > this month and hasn't...
> > Oh? I was as right as the BoM at the time, check back and see. That's
all I
> > ever try to be. But I did it months before. It sounds like a pathetic
case
> > of envy on your part. I've said (on 24th July).." but November, aha, I
think
> > you'll see around 40-50mm. Most of that will be from 16th-24th
November."
> > Let's wait and see. Only a couple of days to go. So far, the BoM appears
on
> > track with me again. It's clouding over right now.."Cloud builds in a
trough
> > over eastern Australia, causing potentially severe thunderstorms and
showers
> > across NSW and QLD.." That's tonight's posting on ABC. I'm MORE than
happy
> > with that. There's nothing wrong with putting up forecasts way ahead.
That's
> > what real forecasters are meant to do, Don.  But for all your condemning
of
> > me, I don't see your forecasts anywhere.
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Indigo
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 > Hi All,
>
>  Yesterday we were at Robertson at the Lavendar Farm and the owner told us
>a story about someone in that area who had pulled up old lino and found a
>paper from 1940.  On it was list of predictions by Indigo Jones.  It could
>have been a story in the local paper from this week or last week.
>
>  The old newspaper had a list of predictions, many of which evidently have
>come true.  Including a forecast of drought for 2002 and 2003 with rain on
>27th November this year.

Judy, I have a good friend who has looked into Indigo's forecast. His
summary is below. 

Cheers,

David



Did Inigo Jones predict the 2002 Australian drought?

There are rumours throughout inland eastern Australia that the legendary
Inigo Jones (1872-1954) forecast the drought of 2002 many years ago. Jones
believed that the alignments of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus caused variations
in the sunspot numbers, which then affected rainfall in eastern Australia.
So he could make very long-range forecasts of eastern Australian droughts,
by knowing the future planetary alignments. Jones published a table of his
predicted droughts for the period 1949-2008 in the National Motorist in
January 1950. This table provides a unique opportunity to verify his
long-range forecasts over many years. His table appears to refer to
Queensland droughts, or to eastern Australian droughts. I have examined how
his drought forecasts match observed seasonal rainfall averaged across
Queensland.

Jones did forecast a "Dry Summer, Autumn and Winter" in 2001 and 2002.
Rainfall was low in Queensland in each of these three seasons, but has
continued to be low into spring 2002. 

Jones failed to predict the severe 1965, 1982 and 1994 droughts (the three
driest years of the second half of the 20th century). He predicted a "Minor
Drought in Summer" in 1998-1999. This did not occur. He also predicted a
"Dry Winter, Spring and Summer" for 1995 and 1996. Winter and spring 1995
were wet, although summer 1995/96 was dry as predicted.  Jones correctly
predicted a "Dry Summer " for 1977/78 and a "Dry Spell" for 1979/80. He
predicted a "Moderately Severe Drought" for 1957-1960. The first and last of
these years were drier than normal, but 1958 and 1959 were slightly wetter
than normal. He failed to predict drought for 1961, the driest year in the
1957-1961 sequence.

Perhaps the most intriguing of Jones's predictions was for a "Severe
Prolonged Drought" with "Social National Crises" for the period 1983 to
1992. There were only two years of drought (1986 and 1992) during this
period. The mean 1983-1992 rainfall was below the long-term mean rainfall,
but substantially higher than the rainfall in the 1963-1972 period. Jones
did not identify the 1963-1972 period as a prolonged drought. Even the terms
he used for the years in which he did predict droughts during the 1960s and
early 1970s ("Rains Slightly Below Normal", "Dry Spell", "Minor Drought",
"Moderate Drought") do not suggest a severe prolonged drought.

In summary, Inigo Jones did predict the 2001-2002 drought, but this was one
of only a few occasions when his long-range predictions of drought have been
correct. In particular he failed to predict the most severe (1965, 1982 and
1994) droughts and the extended dry period of the 1960s and early 1970s.

Dr David Jones 

Head Climate Analysis Section 
National Climate Centre 
Bureau of Meteorology         Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 
GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085 
Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: rain in SE?
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OK, I don't want to get everyone's hopes too high but the progs are starting
to show some interesting developments for early next week for the SE.

The front due on Sunday looks like it will largely stall over Victoria for
about three days, while an amplifying upper trough build through the bight.
With lots of juicy moisture across Western Australia there is the very real
possibility of us seeing isolated-to-widespread showers and storm activity
for about a 3 day period in the SE. 

Keep those fingers crossed as we really really need some rain in Victoria.
Hopefully this system doesn't die 100km west of Melbourne like the front on
Tuesday....

See
http://152.80.49.205/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_all.cgi?type=prod&area=ngp_ausnz&prod=
prp for further info.

Regards,

David

Dr David Jones 

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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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>  Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
> > repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back
> > Don White

This is very disturbing comment. It has shades of Klu Klux Klan and Hitler's
Germany. I suggest it is too strong for this forum and Don needs to be
reminded that this is a free society. And to claim that I am responsible for
respect for forecasting being low is too ridiculous to pass comment. It's
hardly as if I have a national voice. The forecasters who do only have
themselves to blame if people go elsewhere.
Don's nastiness can only mean one thing - it must be raining.


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Yawn...

John. 
>snip
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Ken...
Regrettasbly you are also dishonest.
You stated on 24 July:
My prediction for Sydney:
Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
and
24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.

So far 2-3rd - no rain - you were wrong
7-10th - no rain  - you were wrong.
Any fool would relaise that there is a fair chance of rain  between
15-22 nd (you want 1 day either side) or 25-29th.... so what. In 25 or
the last 26 years it has rained in Sydney on at least one of those dates
so you are hardly giving any useful guide.
So, it does rain sometime in the 2nd half of November - the best you can
claim is 50% accuracy although you will probably manipulate  your
rubbish. Even on 50% accuracy - in Australia you would be out of
business if you tried to charge for such rubbish.
Forget the envy. I just feel sorry for all the poor fools you are
misleading with this rubbish.  Or maybe there are enough gullible people
here as well. Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back

Don White

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:11:21 +1300
>From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
>Subject: aus-wx: Ouch
>
>>  Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
>> > repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back
>> > Don White
>
>This is very disturbing comment. It has shades of Klu Klux Klan and
>Hitler'sGermany.

Ken how can you possibly claim that calling for accountability in an
industry is like Hitler's Germany? Just as in a modern society we require
engineers to be trained and demonstrate their skills, doctors to be trained
and demonstrate their skills, etc etc., so too it should be with
professional meteorologist - this is not censoring - it is what makes a
modern society. Until such time as you can unambiguously demonstrate skill
in your forecasts you should not be allowed to practice. Further you should
not be able to practice unless you demonstrate professional competency.

Can you do both? Quite frankly, it is not for me to judge.... 

Regards,

David


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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of Australia
on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001. I've only
had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my assessment. It is
based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements (forecasts)
made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In addition, I've
noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.

I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of any
individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.

For October we have:

"Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than last
month. "
1. True, the dry spell continued.
2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall metro
area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only stations
for which totals were received each day in both months. There will be a
fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the meantime
these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)

UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17

"Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate dew.
Figures are date/mm
Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
Richmond: 11/1.0

So
3rd False
10th True
15th False
17th False
Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed

"Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous month, but
(2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so False

"Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th, 21st and
27th."
The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW slopes,
eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either amounts
or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
So, 1st to 6th False
14th-15th True
21st False
27th False
24th missed

So Ken's score for October:
True 3
False 8
Neither True nor False 1
Missed events 3

For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:

"Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most possibly
between 16th-21st."
Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently every few
days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are 3.0mm at
Chatswood and Turramurra.

"Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours. "
0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to date.

"Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th. "
The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.

Further update on November after month's end.


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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Very interesting analysis, David.
Inigo said some strange things, too, like.."(I have solved) what has been an
insoluble puzzle, namely, the essential difference between spring and
autumn. This is now seen to be due to the fact that in spring the southern
sunspots are turned more away from us in the Earth's southern atmosphere,
and are more directed towards us in the autumn. From this again can be seen
the great importance of the sunspots to our weather control.."
Surely the difference between spring and autumn is caused by the proximity
of Earth to the Sun and tilt of the Earth. You'd think he would have known
that.
He was onto it, somewhat, with the planets, but not quite.
He referred to the forward movement of the Sun through space in the
direction he referred to as "north" which was towards the star Vega. When
the planet Jupiter or Saturn or both are on the Vega side of the Sun, he
said they act as a shield to the Sun from the magnetic field through which
the solar system moves, and he believed this was the time when there was no
sunspots visible on the Sun. He also stated that this was the time for
droughts in Australia at least, and when the planets were following behind
the Sun towards "north" then this was the time for sunspots and with heavy
rain or floods. However, he overlooked that these two planets would be
together on the "north" or "south" side of the Sun only rarely, but he made
use of each or both planets individually or together for his long range
weather forecasts.
It seems hard to imagine that ONLY Australia would be affected in this
manner by droughts. Surely other countries would be receiving normal rain or
even floods while Australia was in the grip of a drought, or viceversa. If
this was the position world-wide, how can just those planets be used to say
what the weather will be in any given country? Saturn, on its closest
approach to Earth will be about 1271 million km(790 million miles) away, and
Jupiter 670 million km(390 million miles). As they stay more or less
stationary - Jupiter moves 30deg per year and Saturn 13 deg per year - it
seems doubtful to me that they could, with the moon taken out the picture,
significantly affect our daily weather.
Jones placed great reliance on Jupiter and Saturn, the only two planets
large enough to affect any change on the Sun as they orbit. It takes 11.86
years for Jupiter to orbit the Sun, the same purported time for the sunspot
cycle. But so far neither astronomers nor climatologists have brought
forward a map of the solar system which shows just where Jupiter was
situated on its orbit around the sun when the sunspots appear. So the
question is; does the sunspot cycle precess or advance on the orbit of
Jupiter? It's not enough just to relate sunspots to the planet Jupiter and
let it go at that.
Saturn takes 29.45 years to orbit the Sun, which means that Jupiter orbits
the Sun near enough to 2.5 times to one orbit of Saturn. In the one orbit of
Jupiter, Saturn will have advanced about 158 deg on its own orbit. To
overtake the 158 degrees that Saturn has moved forward, will take Jupiter,
in its next orbit, about another six years or so. The total time it will
take Jupiter to catch up to Saturn, assuming each was in the same starting
position in relation to one another at first, will be in the vicinity of 18
years which is MORE than the time taken for one orbit by Jupiter. So this,
of course, will not be the same original starting position on the orbit of
Saturn. This 18 years is too long a period to equate with the sunspot cycle,
but half of that period of nine years is closer. These figures could be
closer to the time taken by Jupiter for one orbit and also the accepted
period for the sunspot cycle.
BUT..the sunspot cycle is said to be approx 11 years(even Inigo said it
varies from 9-16 years), and even today many meteorologists stick to
simplistic sunspot thinking. They know there is much repeatability in 18
years but again they seem intent on overlooking the moon's 18 year orbit,
and it could well be that the mimicking of the combined sunspot cycle
periodicity and cycle of Jupiter is about 35 years, disguising what could be
really a lunar influence. I can accept that because the cycle rises to a
peak before reducing to a minimum, the half orbit between Jupiter and
Saturn, when they are together on the same side and when they are 180deg
apart, could be the catalyst to commence a sunspot cycle. In other words,
the sunspot cycle could commence at 9, a very lunar compatible number. 4.5
is the accepted El Nino figure and it starts to get hard to separate what
might be Sun and what might be Moon influences when the cycles coincide.
Could be both, but Inigo limited himself by sticking just to Jupiter and
Saturn.
Ken Ring
www.predictweather.com


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> Did Inigo Jones predict the 2002 Australian drought?
>
> There are rumours throughout inland eastern Australia that the legendary
> Inigo Jones (1872-1954) forecast the drought of 2002 many years ago. Jones
> believed that the alignments of Jupiter, Saturn and Uranus caused
variations
> in the sunspot numbers, which then affected rainfall in eastern Australia.
> So he could make very long-range forecasts of eastern Australian droughts,
> by knowing the future planetary alignments. Jones published a table of his
> predicted droughts for the period 1949-2008 in the National Motorist in
> January 1950. This table provides a unique opportunity to verify his
> long-range forecasts over many years. His table appears to refer to
> Queensland droughts, or to eastern Australian droughts. I have examined
how
> his drought forecasts match observed seasonal rainfall averaged across
> Queensland.
>
> Jones did forecast a "Dry Summer, Autumn and Winter" in 2001 and 2002.
> Rainfall was low in Queensland in each of these three seasons, but has
> continued to be low into spring 2002.
>
> Jones failed to predict the severe 1965, 1982 and 1994 droughts (the three
> driest years of the second half of the 20th century). He predicted a
"Minor
> Drought in Summer" in 1998-1999. This did not occur. He also predicted a
> "Dry Winter, Spring and Summer" for 1995 and 1996. Winter and spring 1995
> were wet, although summer 1995/96 was dry as predicted.  Jones correctly
> predicted a "Dry Summer " for 1977/78 and a "Dry Spell" for 1979/80. He
> predicted a "Moderately Severe Drought" for 1957-1960. The first and last
of
> these years were drier than normal, but 1958 and 1959 were slightly wetter
> than normal. He failed to predict drought for 1961, the driest year in the
> 1957-1961 sequence.
>
> Perhaps the most intriguing of Jones's predictions was for a "Severe
> Prolonged Drought" with "Social National Crises" for the period 1983 to
> 1992. There were only two years of drought (1986 and 1992) during this
> period. The mean 1983-1992 rainfall was below the long-term mean rainfall,
> but substantially higher than the rainfall in the 1963-1972 period. Jones
> did not identify the 1963-1972 period as a prolonged drought. Even the
terms
> he used for the years in which he did predict droughts during the 1960s
and
> early 1970s ("Rains Slightly Below Normal", "Dry Spell", "Minor Drought",
> "Moderate Drought") do not suggest a severe prolonged drought.
>
> In summary, Inigo Jones did predict the 2001-2002 drought, but this was
one
> of only a few occasions when his long-range predictions of drought have
been
> correct. In particular he failed to predict the most severe (1965, 1982
and
> 1994) droughts and the extended dry period of the 1960s and early 1970s.
>
> Dr David Jones
>
> Head Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology         Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4085
> Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923
> email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
>
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Pissing down now in Brisbane..

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:22:33 +1100
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Nice assesment Laurier... very interesting reading!
Thanks for going to all the effort.

Matt Smith

Laurier Williams wrote:

> Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of Australia
> on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001. I've only
> had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my assessment. It is
> based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements (forecasts)
> made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In addition, I've
> noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
>
> I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of any
> individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
>
> For October we have:
>
> "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than last
> month. "
> 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall metro
> area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only stations
> for which totals were received each day in both months. There will be a
> fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the meantime
> these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
>
> UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
>
> "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate dew.
> Figures are date/mm
> Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> Richmond: 11/1.0
>
> So
> 3rd False
> 10th True
> 15th False
> 17th False
> Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
>
> "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous month, but
> (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so False
>
> "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th, 21st and
> 27th."
> The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW slopes,
> eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either amounts
> or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> So, 1st to 6th False
> 14th-15th True
> 21st False
> 27th False
> 24th missed
>
> So Ken's score for October:
> True 3
> False 8
> Neither True nor False 1
> Missed events 3
>
> For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
>
> "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most possibly
> between 16th-21st."
> Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently every few
> days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are 3.0mm at
> Chatswood and Turramurra.
>
> "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours. "
> 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to date.
>
> "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th. "
> The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
>
> Further update on November after month's end.
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: Summer has finally arrived in NZ
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AUCKLAND NORTHLAND 
ISSUED BY METSERVICE AT 11:10am Friday 15-Nov-2002

YET ANOTHER COLD SNAP FOR THE WEEKEND

MetService forecasters are expecting another in the series of
unseasonable cold spells to hit much of the country over the weekend.
Cold, showery  southerly winds should spread into Southland overnight
and onto Otago and Canterbury by late Saturday morning and farther
north into the southern part of the North Island by midnight Saturday,
bringing some thunderstorms, hail and a dusting of snow to about 500
metres in the southern hills. The cold southerlies with falling
temperatures and a spell of thundery showers and hail, should spread
over most of the remainder of the North Island on Sunday.

Farmers are advised that wind chills below zero in exposed southern
and eastern parts of both islands are likely to place stress on
vulnerable stock, and hail may affect some horticultural areas.
Drivers using high country roads in the South Island tomorrow, and
the Desert Road early Sunday should keep up to date with current
conditions.

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In Southland, Otago and Canterbury: Cold southerlies pushing
northwards Saturday morning with showery weather bringing thunder and
hail at times. A few centimetres of snow are likely down to about 400
to 500 metres in Southland and Otago and 500-600 metres in the
Canterbury high country. Later on Saturday, showers should become
lighter and fewer and mostly above 600 metres, but will continue on
into Sunday, especially about southern and eastern coasts.

In Eastern Marlborough, Wellington, Wairarapa: The onset of cold
southerlies on Saturday afternoon or evening should bring some
thunderstorms and hail.

Over the remainder of the North Island falling temperatures and heavy
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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002
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That will be great Laurier.

I oft walk outside on a warm evening, slingshot in hand, hoping to catch a
glimpse of GMS-5 to take aim at it,  trying to blow it out of the sky.

To this date i have been unsucessful.....maybe i can now turn my time to
more important things (darts anyone?)
;)

Thanks for keeping us informed Laurier.

dann


----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002


> The following from NOAA should interest all that remember what having
hourly
> satpix was like!
>
> Laurier
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> -----------
>
> Subject: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan: Effective for March 31, 2003:
> Issued
> Topic: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan
> Message Issued: October 31, 2002, 1322 UTC
> Satellites Impacted: GMS-5 and GOES-9
> Products Impacted: Current GMS-5 imagery
> Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 31, 2003
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
> Details:
>
> ***GOES-9 is scheduled to replace GMS-5 located over the west Pacific at
> 155E on March 31, 2003***
>
> GMS-5, the Japanese Meteorological Agency's (JMA) meteorological
> satellite located at 140E, launched in 1995 and providing meteorological
> data over Japan, the West Pacific Ocean, Australia, and Asia, is
> scheduled to be temporarily replaced with NOAA's GOES-9 satellite on
> March 31, 2003, with its final location at 155E.  For more information
> on GMS-5 and MTSAT (JMA's next meteorological satellite), visit
> http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/  and
> http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/new/index.htm .
>
> In order to support the operation of GOES-9 from 155E, a command and
> control ground station is currently being built in Fairbanks, Alaska.
> Below are some of the tentative dates and plans for the operation of
> GOES-9.
>
> (1) GOES-9 Out of storage  December 11, 2002
> Note: Some preliminary GOES-9 GVAR data will be available from approx
> December 12, 2002 through approx January 11, 2003 using the Wallops, VA
> CDA.
> (2) GOES-9 North/South maneuver December 16, 2002
> (3) GOES-9 to drift west at .8 degrees/day starting December 19, 2002
> (4) GOES-9 imaging suspended approx January 11, 2003 to transfer CDA
> control from Wallops to Fairbanks
> (5) GOES-9 imagery resumes approx March 1, 2003 using Fairbanks CDA
>
> **(6) Operations using GOES-9 start March 31, 2003, at which time GOES-9
> will be at 170E
> (a) At this point, it is planned for GMS-5  to stop disseminating high
> resolution data, and to transmit GOES-9 WEFAX via the GMS-5 satellite.
> (b) Users currently obtaining GMS-5 WEFAX from GMS-5 should not need to
> make any changes to receive GOES-9 WEFAX via GMS-5
> (c) GOES-9 data will _not_ be converted to VISSR and relayed through
> GMS-5
> (d) GOES-9 WEFAX products should be made available via GOES-10 as a one
> to one replacement of the current GMS-5 WEFAX products that are made
> available via GOES-10 (see
> http://noaasis.noaa.gov/NOAASIS/ml/wefax_sked.html for this current
> schedule)
> (e) Imagery will be available both via GVAR for direct readout, and from
> DOMSAT for CONUS users.  More details when further information is
> available.
>
> (7) Approx April 18, GOES-9 arrives on station at 155E.
>
> Scanning Strategies:
> Imager:
> While not finalized, the GOES-9 imager schedule will roughly reflect the
> current GMS-5 scanning schedule.  Hourly full disk images from pole to
> pole will begin at HH:34, ending at HH:00. Every 6 hours, an abbreviated
> full disk (exact location to be determined, but roughly +/- 49 N/S) will
> begin at HH:08 and end at HH:26 where HH=5, 11, 17, 23.  For the other
> 20 hours of the day between HH:08 and HH:26, it has yet to be determined
> what the scanning scenario will be, but will likely consist of several
> shorter sectors in the northern hemisphere.
> Sounder:
> While also not finalized, the GOES-9 sounder instrument will be on
> during this time providing 50 minute scans every hour, and will be
> scanning parts of the northern hemisphere 16 times a day, parts of the
> equatorial region 4 times a day, and parts of the southern hemisphere 4
> times a day.
>
> More information on the transition from GMS-5 to GOES-9 will be provided
> as it becomes available.  Once schedules and sectors are finalized,
> information will be posted via email and our home page.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> Contact Information:
> Tom Renkevens
> Satellite Services Division
> NOAA/NESDIS/OSDPD
> 301-763-8081 x109
> thomas.renkevens at noaa.gov
>
> See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SATS/messages.html  for this and other
> satellite related messages.
> See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov  for full GOES scanning schedules.
>
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At 00:56 12/11/02 +1100, you wrote:
>   Hi all, Well with our storm season underway, this time of  year its a
>little quite in the US, However in the previous ~24 hours over 250  Svr WX
>warnings have been issued and over 180 Tornado watches were  issued.   
>Tornado's have been Confirmed, with  9 also on the previous day, there will
>be more added to this for sure. I have  read reports of 32 deaths due to
>the fact that alot of this Occured during the  late afternoon into the
>night and early hours of the morning. Millions of $$$  damage and lots more
>people injured.   This has been the biggest tornadic outbreak this  year in
>the US, and its not even the actual storm season, but what US Chasers  call
>"Secondary season" which occurs for a few weeks in Autumn, before the 
>winter months take hold.   Im also wondering if the Early Snowfalls that
>fell  over many Northan and Eastern states a week or two back aided in
>anyway to the  outbreak, would be interesting to see, if the same mechanism
>that brought the  snowfalls also had a play in the outbreak.   Hopefully I
>will get some links orgained (or  somebody else who has been following it)
>but for now check this out. http://mgweather.com/ 
>Cheers

Yes, I have just seen the tornado's on TV here in NZ.
As posted before, we have already had our first tornado of the season here
in Canterbury NZ (Oct 27th) even though it was only F0. As the Fujuta TIS
rates the power of it's scale by damage, this funnel only passed over rural
areas. If it had passed over built up areas of Christchurch like a similar
tornado did on the 20th of January 1983, it would of been graded further.
As tornadoes here are of a rare event I don't think we'll have any more for
a while. Maybe 20 years time??? Just put up with the occasional boring
thunderstorm ?????????? 
If we get them !!!!!!!!


JohnGaul
NZTS

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At 15:27 15/11/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Pissing down now in Brisbane..

Yeah, the latest JMS sattelite pic looks good over Queensland.
Skies were reddish here in ChCh the other day with cirro-stratus possibly
with smoke embedded haze aloft.

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<x-flowed>
Hi Laurier,

Thanks for this post. This is excellent news as I think it is important to 
have satellite pictures in now casting. I wonder if we will enjoy the high 
resolution data and frequency the US public/chasers are used to. Just a 
thought.

Nevertheless, the important thing is that this is good news and at least 
hourly satellite imagery become available again.

Jimmy Deguara

At 02:16 PM 14/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>The following from NOAA should interest all that remember what having hourly
>satpix was like!
>
>Laurier
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-----------
>
>Subject: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan: Effective for March 31, 2003:
>Issued
>Topic: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan
>Message Issued: October 31, 2002, 1322 UTC
>Satellites Impacted: GMS-5 and GOES-9
>Products Impacted: Current GMS-5 imagery
>Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 31, 2003
>
>-----------------------------------------
>
>Details:
>
>***GOES-9 is scheduled to replace GMS-5 located over the west Pacific at
>155E on March 31, 2003***
>
>GMS-5, the Japanese Meteorological Agency's (JMA) meteorological
>satellite located at 140E, launched in 1995 and providing meteorological
>data over Japan, the West Pacific Ocean, Australia, and Asia, is
>scheduled to be temporarily replaced with NOAA's GOES-9 satellite on
>March 31, 2003, with its final location at 155E.  For more information
>on GMS-5 and MTSAT (JMA's next meteorological satellite), visit
>http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/  and
>http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/new/index.htm .
>
>In order to support the operation of GOES-9 from 155E, a command and
>control ground station is currently being built in Fairbanks, Alaska.
>Below are some of the tentative dates and plans for the operation of
>GOES-9.
>
>(1) GOES-9 Out of storage  December 11, 2002
>Note: Some preliminary GOES-9 GVAR data will be available from approx
>December 12, 2002 through approx January 11, 2003 using the Wallops, VA
>CDA.
>(2) GOES-9 North/South maneuver December 16, 2002
>(3) GOES-9 to drift west at .8 degrees/day starting December 19, 2002
>(4) GOES-9 imaging suspended approx January 11, 2003 to transfer CDA
>control from Wallops to Fairbanks
>(5) GOES-9 imagery resumes approx March 1, 2003 using Fairbanks CDA
>
>**(6) Operations using GOES-9 start March 31, 2003, at which time GOES-9
>will be at 170E
>(a) At this point, it is planned for GMS-5  to stop disseminating high
>resolution data, and to transmit GOES-9 WEFAX via the GMS-5 satellite.
>(b) Users currently obtaining GMS-5 WEFAX from GMS-5 should not need to
>make any changes to receive GOES-9 WEFAX via GMS-5
>(c) GOES-9 data will _not_ be converted to VISSR and relayed through
>GMS-5
>(d) GOES-9 WEFAX products should be made available via GOES-10 as a one
>to one replacement of the current GMS-5 WEFAX products that are made
>available via GOES-10 (see
>http://noaasis.noaa.gov/NOAASIS/ml/wefax_sked.html for this current
>schedule)
>(e) Imagery will be available both via GVAR for direct readout, and from
>DOMSAT for CONUS users.  More details when further information is
>available.
>
>(7) Approx April 18, GOES-9 arrives on station at 155E.
>
>Scanning Strategies:
>Imager:
>While not finalized, the GOES-9 imager schedule will roughly reflect the
>current GMS-5 scanning schedule.  Hourly full disk images from pole to
>pole will begin at HH:34, ending at HH:00. Every 6 hours, an abbreviated
>full disk (exact location to be determined, but roughly +/- 49 N/S) will
>begin at HH:08 and end at HH:26 where HH=5, 11, 17, 23.  For the other
>20 hours of the day between HH:08 and HH:26, it has yet to be determined
>what the scanning scenario will be, but will likely consist of several
>shorter sectors in the northern hemisphere.
>Sounder:
>While also not finalized, the GOES-9 sounder instrument will be on
>during this time providing 50 minute scans every hour, and will be
>scanning parts of the northern hemisphere 16 times a day, parts of the
>equatorial region 4 times a day, and parts of the southern hemisphere 4
>times a day.
>
>More information on the transition from GMS-5 to GOES-9 will be provided
>as it becomes available.  Once schedules and sectors are finalized,
>information will be posted via email and our home page.
>
>------------------------------------------
>
>Contact Information:
>Tom Renkevens
>Satellite Services Division
>NOAA/NESDIS/OSDPD
>301-763-8081 x109
>thomas.renkevens at noaa.gov
>
>See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SATS/messages.html  for this and other
>satellite related messages.
>See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov  for full GOES scanning schedules.
>
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From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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So that is why I have all these rocks landing on the roof late at night! :P

Dont get rid of GMS5 just yet... we need it till the changeover!!!

Matt Smith

dann weatherhead wrote:

> That will be great Laurier.
>
> I oft walk outside on a warm evening, slingshot in hand, hoping to catch a
> glimpse of GMS-5 to take aim at it,  trying to blow it out of the sky.
>
> To this date i have been unsucessful.....maybe i can now turn my time to
> more important things (darts anyone?)
> ;)
>
> Thanks for keeping us informed Laurier.
>
> dann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:16 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002
>
> > The following from NOAA should interest all that remember what having
> hourly
> > satpix was like!
> >
> > Laurier
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > -----------
> >
> > Subject: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan: Effective for March 31, 2003:
> > Issued
> > Topic: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan
> > Message Issued: October 31, 2002, 1322 UTC
> > Satellites Impacted: GMS-5 and GOES-9
> > Products Impacted: Current GMS-5 imagery
> > Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 31, 2003
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > Details:
> >
> > ***GOES-9 is scheduled to replace GMS-5 located over the west Pacific at
> > 155E on March 31, 2003***
> >
> > GMS-5, the Japanese Meteorological Agency's (JMA) meteorological
> > satellite located at 140E, launched in 1995 and providing meteorological
> > data over Japan, the West Pacific Ocean, Australia, and Asia, is
> > scheduled to be temporarily replaced with NOAA's GOES-9 satellite on
> > March 31, 2003, with its final location at 155E.  For more information
> > on GMS-5 and MTSAT (JMA's next meteorological satellite), visit
> > http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/  and
> > http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/new/index.htm .
> >
> > In order to support the operation of GOES-9 from 155E, a command and
> > control ground station is currently being built in Fairbanks, Alaska.
> > Below are some of the tentative dates and plans for the operation of
> > GOES-9.
> >
> > (1) GOES-9 Out of storage  December 11, 2002
> > Note: Some preliminary GOES-9 GVAR data will be available from approx
> > December 12, 2002 through approx January 11, 2003 using the Wallops, VA
> > CDA.
> > (2) GOES-9 North/South maneuver December 16, 2002
> > (3) GOES-9 to drift west at .8 degrees/day starting December 19, 2002
> > (4) GOES-9 imaging suspended approx January 11, 2003 to transfer CDA
> > control from Wallops to Fairbanks
> > (5) GOES-9 imagery resumes approx March 1, 2003 using Fairbanks CDA
> >
> > **(6) Operations using GOES-9 start March 31, 2003, at which time GOES-9
> > will be at 170E
> > (a) At this point, it is planned for GMS-5  to stop disseminating high
> > resolution data, and to transmit GOES-9 WEFAX via the GMS-5 satellite.
> > (b) Users currently obtaining GMS-5 WEFAX from GMS-5 should not need to
> > make any changes to receive GOES-9 WEFAX via GMS-5
> > (c) GOES-9 data will _not_ be converted to VISSR and relayed through
> > GMS-5
> > (d) GOES-9 WEFAX products should be made available via GOES-10 as a one
> > to one replacement of the current GMS-5 WEFAX products that are made
> > available via GOES-10 (see
> > http://noaasis.noaa.gov/NOAASIS/ml/wefax_sked.html for this current
> > schedule)
> > (e) Imagery will be available both via GVAR for direct readout, and from
> > DOMSAT for CONUS users.  More details when further information is
> > available.
> >
> > (7) Approx April 18, GOES-9 arrives on station at 155E.
> >
> > Scanning Strategies:
> > Imager:
> > While not finalized, the GOES-9 imager schedule will roughly reflect the
> > current GMS-5 scanning schedule.  Hourly full disk images from pole to
> > pole will begin at HH:34, ending at HH:00. Every 6 hours, an abbreviated
> > full disk (exact location to be determined, but roughly +/- 49 N/S) will
> > begin at HH:08 and end at HH:26 where HH=5, 11, 17, 23.  For the other
> > 20 hours of the day between HH:08 and HH:26, it has yet to be determined
> > what the scanning scenario will be, but will likely consist of several
> > shorter sectors in the northern hemisphere.
> > Sounder:
> > While also not finalized, the GOES-9 sounder instrument will be on
> > during this time providing 50 minute scans every hour, and will be
> > scanning parts of the northern hemisphere 16 times a day, parts of the
> > equatorial region 4 times a day, and parts of the southern hemisphere 4
> > times a day.
> >
> > More information on the transition from GMS-5 to GOES-9 will be provided
> > as it becomes available.  Once schedules and sectors are finalized,
> > information will be posted via email and our home page.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Contact Information:
> > Tom Renkevens
> > Satellite Services Division
> > NOAA/NESDIS/OSDPD
> > 301-763-8081 x109
> > thomas.renkevens at noaa.gov
> >
> > See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SATS/messages.html  for this and other
> > satellite related messages.
> > See http://www.ssd.noaa.gov  for full GOES scanning schedules.
> >
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From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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G'day all,
I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th until the
13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms. While Alice
Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western edge of
the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a significant
rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of rain, but
these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken did not
mention even the possibilty of rain.
He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my faith
will be restored...
Cheers,
Duncan
Alice Springs, N.T.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy


> Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of
Australia
> on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001. I've
only
> had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my assessment. It
is
> based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
(forecasts)
> made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In addition,
I've
> noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
>
> I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of any
> individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
>
> For October we have:
>
> "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than last
> month. "
> 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall metro
> area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only
stations
> for which totals were received each day in both months. There will be a
> fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the meantime
> these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
>
> UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
>
> "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate dew.
> Figures are date/mm
> Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> Richmond: 11/1.0
>
> So
> 3rd False
> 10th True
> 15th False
> 17th False
> Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
>
> "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous month,
but
> (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so False
>
> "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th, 21st
and
> 27th."
> The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW slopes,
> eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either amounts
> or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> So, 1st to 6th False
> 14th-15th True
> 21st False
> 27th False
> 24th missed
>
> So Ken's score for October:
> True 3
> False 8
> Neither True nor False 1
> Missed events 3
>
> For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
>
> "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most
possibly
> between 16th-21st."
> Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently every
few
> days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are 3.0mm at
> Chatswood and Turramurra.
>
> "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours. "
> 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to date.
>
> "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th. "
> The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
>
> Further update on November after month's end.
>
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From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
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I can concur with that - 23mm and counting in Petrie (N of Brisbane).

I actually have a significant theory on Brisbane rainfall - It rains when I
get on my pushbike - hmmmm - maybe I should go for a ride out west.


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> Pissing down now in Brisbane..
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 19:39:36 +1100
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LOL

James Holbeach
--------------------------------
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002

So that is why I have all these rocks landing on the roof late at night!
:P

Dont get rid of GMS5 just yet... we need it till the changeover!!!

Matt Smith

dann weatherhead wrote:

> That will be great Laurier.
>
> I oft walk outside on a warm evening, slingshot in hand, hoping to
catch a
> glimpse of GMS-5 to take aim at it,  trying to blow it out of the sky.
>
> To this date i have been unsucessful.....maybe i can now turn my time
to
> more important things (darts anyone?)
> ;)
>
> Thanks for keeping us informed Laurier.
>
> dann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 1:16 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: GOES-9 to replace GMS-5 from April 2002
>
> > The following from NOAA should interest all that remember what
having
> hourly
> > satpix was like!
> >
> > Laurier
> >
> >
> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> --
> > -----------
> >
> > Subject: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan: Effective for March 31,
2003:
> > Issued
> > Topic: GMS-5 to GOES-9 Transition Plan
> > Message Issued: October 31, 2002, 1322 UTC
> > Satellites Impacted: GMS-5 and GOES-9
> > Products Impacted: Current GMS-5 imagery
> > Date/Time of Initial Impact: March 31, 2003
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > Details:
> >
> > ***GOES-9 is scheduled to replace GMS-5 located over the west
Pacific at
> > 155E on March 31, 2003***
> >
> > GMS-5, the Japanese Meteorological Agency's (JMA) meteorological
> > satellite located at 140E, launched in 1995 and providing
meteorological
> > data over Japan, the West Pacific Ocean, Australia, and Asia, is
> > scheduled to be temporarily replaced with NOAA's GOES-9 satellite on
> > March 31, 2003, with its final location at 155E.  For more
information
> > on GMS-5 and MTSAT (JMA's next meteorological satellite), visit
> > http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/  and
> > http://mscweb.kishou.go.jp/new/index.htm .
> >
> > In order to support the operation of GOES-9 from 155E, a command and
> > control ground station is currently being built in Fairbanks,
Alaska.
> > Below are some of the tentative dates and plans for the operation of
> > GOES-9.
> >
> > (1) GOES-9 Out of storage  December 11, 2002
> > Note: Some preliminary GOES-9 GVAR data will be available from
approx
> > December 12, 2002 through approx January 11, 2003 using the Wallops,
VA
> > CDA.
> > (2) GOES-9 North/South maneuver December 16, 2002
> > (3) GOES-9 to drift west at .8 degrees/day starting December 19,
2002
> > (4) GOES-9 imaging suspended approx January 11, 2003 to transfer CDA
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> >
> > **(6) Operations using GOES-9 start March 31, 2003, at which time
GOES-9
> > will be at 170E
> > (a) At this point, it is planned for GMS-5  to stop disseminating
high
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> > available.
> >
> > (7) Approx April 18, GOES-9 arrives on station at 155E.
> >
> > Scanning Strategies:
> > Imager:
> > While not finalized, the GOES-9 imager schedule will roughly reflect
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> > times a day.
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provided
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> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> > Contact Information:
> > Tom Renkevens
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:06:27 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Maybe you should hire yourself out to drought-stricken cockies to pedal 
around their properties!

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:24:08 +1000
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> I can concur with that - 23mm and counting in Petrie (N of Brisbane).
> 
> I actually have a significant theory on Brisbane rainfall - It rains
> when I
> get on my pushbike - hmmmm - maybe I should go for a ride out west.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:27 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> 
> 
> > Pissing down now in Brisbane..
> >
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 17:11:15 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely 
proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in 
Oz.
So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go back 
to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather - while 
the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy

> G'day all,
> I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th until
> the
> 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms. While
> Alice
> Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western edge
> of
> the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> significant
> rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of rain, but
> these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken did not
> mention even the possibilty of rain.
> He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my
> faith
> will be restored...
> Cheers,
> Duncan
> Alice Springs, N.T.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> 
> 
> > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of
> Australia
> > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001.
> I've
> only
> > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my assessment.
> It
> is
> > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> (forecasts)
> > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> addition,
> I've
> > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> >
> > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of
> any
> > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
> >
> > For October we have:
> >
> > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than
> last
> > month. "
> > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall
> metro
> > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only
> stations
> > for which totals were received each day in both months. There will be
> a
> > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> meantime
> > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> >
> > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> >
> > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate
> dew.
> > Figures are date/mm
> > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > Richmond: 11/1.0
> >
> > So
> > 3rd False
> > 10th True
> > 15th False
> > 17th False
> > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> >
> > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous
> month,
> but
> > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so False
> >
> > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th,
> 21st
> and
> > 27th."
> > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW slopes,
> > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either
> amounts
> > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > So, 1st to 6th False
> > 14th-15th True
> > 21st False
> > 27th False
> > 24th missed
> >
> > So Ken's score for October:
> > True 3
> > False 8
> > Neither True nor False 1
> > Missed events 3
> >
> > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
> >
> > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most
> possibly
> > between 16th-21st."
> > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently
> every
> few
> > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are 3.0mm
> at
> > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> >
> > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours.
> "
> > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to
> date.
> >
> > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th.
> "
> > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> >
> > Further update on November after month's end.
> >
> >
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At 17:48 15/11/02 +1100, you wrote:
>That will be great Laurier.
>
>I oft walk outside on a warm evening, slingshot in hand, hoping to catch a
>glimpse of GMS-5 to take aim at it,  trying to blow it out of the sky.
>
>To this date i have been unsucessful.....maybe i can now turn my time to
>more important things (darts anyone?)
>;)
>
>Thanks for keeping us informed Laurier.
>
>dann


Now Dann don't do that for the next 6 months.
I can't wait for GO 9 
G05 shows phuct satellite pictures on NZ television.
Mind you they do a good makeshift.
Looks as though the GO9 launch was succesfull ??


JohnGaul
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From: "Michael Thompson" <ozthunder at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Michael's forecast accuracy.
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Looking into the crystal ball I see......................................

Melbourne ....next August a day either side of the 15th to 17th you will
have strato cumulus.

Wollongong..............next November, a day either side of the 29th to
30th, a trough will stall just 200km north and provide severe weather to the
NE third of NSW, whilst Wollongong will miss out.

.................................wait there is
more...............................

I see storms in Darwin this December....................strong winds in
Tasmania sometime in the next six weeks.

Michael



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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:04:15 +1100
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Phil
I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows clearly
that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more accuarate.
Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
changes his parameters at will.
His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his limited
forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by changing
his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney. 
On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
Hi all
I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least), in
November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
My prediction for Sydney:
Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
and
24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
My prediction for Brisbane:
Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th, heaviest
falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th, mostly
dry
again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around 150mm
between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
Ken
It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
month.
surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of which
he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone past
that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
plainly wrong.
All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate it
because we are yet at that level.
If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't accept
the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore them
because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No one
is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast with
80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast for
a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same as
today.

Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain for
Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it will
rain - probably this week!
As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such utterances 
made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all be
eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I believe
we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
admit he is wrong. 
I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do not
beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to make
such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic assessments a
season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not  and
has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
even if he doesnt want to face reality.

Don White 
 s
Phil Smith wrote:
> 
> >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in
> Oz.
> So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go back
> to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather - while
> the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> 
> Phil
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> 
> > G'day all,
> > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th until
> > the
> > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms. While
> > Alice
> > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western edge
> > of
> > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > significant
> > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of rain, but
> > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken did not
> > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my
> > faith
> > will be restored...
> > Cheers,
> > Duncan
> > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> >
> >
> > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of
> > Australia
> > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001.
> > I've
> > only
> > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my assessment.
> > It
> > is
> > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > (forecasts)
> > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > addition,
> > I've
> > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > >
> > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of
> > any
> > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
> > >
> > > For October we have:
> > >
> > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than
> > last
> > > month. "
> > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall
> > metro
> > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only
> > stations
> > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There will be
> > a
> > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > meantime
> > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > >
> > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > >
> > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate
> > dew.
> > > Figures are date/mm
> > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > >
> > > So
> > > 3rd False
> > > 10th True
> > > 15th False
> > > 17th False
> > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > >
> > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous
> > month,
> > but
> > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so False
> > >
> > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th,
> > 21st
> > and
> > > 27th."
> > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW slopes,
> > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either
> > amounts
> > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > 14th-15th True
> > > 21st False
> > > 27th False
> > > 24th missed
> > >
> > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > True 3
> > > False 8
> > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > Missed events 3
> > >
> > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
> > >
> > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most
> > possibly
> > > between 16th-21st."
> > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently
> > every
> > few
> > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are 3.0mm
> > at
> > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > >
> > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours.
> > "
> > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to
> > date.
> > >
> > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th.
> > "
> > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > >
> > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > >
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Don .....

While it seems interetsing that you should wish to defend the profession,
the finger pointing aint going to advance an argument very far.

The BOM constantly get it wrong, yet we are all ready to back them with
"models wrong"..."difficult set-up..." etc etc.

Just sit back and enjoy it - labelling, accusing etc will only see you in
Court. Let his work speak the loudest....

Rgds,
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy


> Phil
> I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
> professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows clearly
> that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
> random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more accuarate.
> Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
> changes his parameters at will.
> His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his limited
> forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
> rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by changing
> his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
> stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
> and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney.
> On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
> Hi all
> I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least), in
> November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
> My prediction for Sydney:
> Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
> and
> 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
> My prediction for Brisbane:
> Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th, heaviest
> falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th, mostly
> dry
> again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around 150mm
> between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
> Ken
> It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
> month.
> surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of which
> he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone past
> that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
> plainly wrong.
> All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
> professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
> putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate it
> because we are yet at that level.
> If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't accept
> the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore them
> because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No one
> is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast with
> 80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast for
> a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
> accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same as
> today.
>
> Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain for
> Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it will
> rain - probably this week!
> As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such utterances
> made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all be
> eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I believe
> we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
> The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
> admit he is wrong.
> I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do not
> beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to make
> such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic assessments a
> season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not  and
> has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
> even if he doesnt want to face reality.
>
> Don White
>  s
> Phil Smith wrote:
> >
> > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in
> > Oz.
> > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go
back
> > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather - while
> > the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> >
> > > G'day all,
> > > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th until
> > > the
> > > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms. While
> > > Alice
> > > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western
edge
> > > of
> > > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > > significant
> > > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of rain,
but
> > > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken did
not
> > > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my
> > > faith
> > > will be restored...
> > > Cheers,
> > > Duncan
> > > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of
> > > Australia
> > > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001.
> > > I've
> > > only
> > > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my
assessment.
> > > It
> > > is
> > > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > > (forecasts)
> > > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > > addition,
> > > I've
> > > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > > >
> > > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of
> > > any
> > > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
> > > >
> > > > For October we have:
> > > >
> > > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than
> > > last
> > > > month. "
> > > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall
> > > metro
> > > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only
> > > stations
> > > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There will
be
> > > a
> > > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > > meantime
> > > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > > >
> > > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > > >
> > > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> > > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate
> > > dew.
> > > > Figures are date/mm
> > > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > > >
> > > > So
> > > > 3rd False
> > > > 10th True
> > > > 15th False
> > > > 17th False
> > > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > > >
> > > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous
> > > month,
> > > but
> > > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> > > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so
False
> > > >
> > > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th,
> > > 21st
> > > and
> > > > 27th."
> > > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW
slopes,
> > > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either
> > > amounts
> > > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> > > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > > 14th-15th True
> > > > 21st False
> > > > 27th False
> > > > 24th missed
> > > >
> > > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > > True 3
> > > > False 8
> > > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > > Missed events 3
> > > >
> > > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
> > > >
> > > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most
> > > possibly
> > > > between 16th-21st."
> > > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently
> > > every
> > > few
> > > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are
3.0mm
> > > at
> > > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > > >
> > > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours.
> > > "
> > > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to
> > > date.
> > > >
> > > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th.
> > > "
> > > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > > >
> > > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Heavy storm falls around Brisbane
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I'm a bit surprised there's been no mention on the list of the 73.4mm that
fell in 2 hours to 6pm at Nambour this afternoon.
Also, the flood rain network has reported a few large totals since 9am (up
to 10pm) -- 91mm at Wamuran, 95 at Round Mt Reservoir, and a whopping 170 at
North Pine Dam, 153 of which fell in the hour to 4pm. I think North Pine Dam
is somewhere between Sandgate and Burpengary. Can anyone confirm such heavy
rain?

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Hi David,

Thanks for your thoughts, I enjoy reading them.  Keep us posted if anything 
catches your eye, I will certainly be waiting for any further updates

Cheers,

Karl :)





>From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: rain in SE?
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:05:04 +1100
>
>OK, I don't want to get everyone's hopes too high but the progs are 
>starting
>to show some interesting developments for early next week for the SE.
>
>The front due on Sunday looks like it will largely stall over Victoria for
>about three days, while an amplifying upper trough build through the bight.
>With lots of juicy moisture across Western Australia there is the very real
>possibility of us seeing isolated-to-widespread showers and storm activity
>for about a 3 day period in the SE.
>
>Keep those fingers crossed as we really really need some rain in Victoria.
>Hopefully this system doesn't die 100km west of Melbourne like the front on
>Tuesday....
>
>See
>http://152.80.49.205/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_all.cgi?type=prod&area=ngp_ausnz&prod=
>prp for further info.
>
>Regards,
>
>David
>
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Paul, I still think Ken's just pulling our legs. He's certainly making the
bells ring. I agree with you that his work speaks the loudest, and that
certainly has advanced the argument over the past month or two.

I note there's been no response to my post that started this thread. Ken,
are you conceding that your forecasts were in error?

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:37:14 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Is anyone ready to try some BoM-bashing instead?  For ammo check out 
http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/3967.html?
FridayNovember1520021032pm for a graph of the BoM's performance on 
Melbourne's maximum temperatures for the last seven days.
But in all fairness, this is not an exact science. More often than not 
the forecast maximum will be "in error". It just happens that this week 
the errors have all been in the same direction. 

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:14:13 +0930
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy

> Don .....
> 
> While it seems interetsing that you should wish to defend the
> profession,
> the finger pointing aint going to advance an argument very far.
> 
> The BOM constantly get it wrong, yet we are all ready to back them with
> "models wrong"..."difficult set-up..." etc etc.
> 
> Just sit back and enjoy it - labelling, accusing etc will only see you
> in
> Court. Let his work speak the loudest....
> 
> Rgds,
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> 
> 
> > Phil
> > I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
> > professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows
> clearly
> > that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
> > random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more
> accuarate.
> > Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
> > changes his parameters at will.
> > His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his
> limited
> > forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
> > rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by
> changing
> > his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
> > stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
> > and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney.
> > On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
> > Hi all
> > I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least),
> in
> > November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
> > My prediction for Sydney:
> > Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th,
> 16th-21st,
> > and
> > 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
> > My prediction for Brisbane:
> > Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th,
> heaviest
> > falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th,
> mostly
> > dry
> > again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around
> 150mm
> > between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
> > Ken
> > It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
> > month.
> > surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of
> which
> > he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone
> past
> > that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
> > plainly wrong.
> > All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
> > professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
> > putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate
> it
> > because we are yet at that level.
> > If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't
> accept
> > the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore
> them
> > because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No
> one
> > is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast
> with
> > 80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast
> for
> > a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
> > accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same
> as
> > today.
> >
> > Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain
> for
> > Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it
> will
> > rain - probably this week!
> > As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such
> utterances
> > made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all
> be
> > eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I
> believe
> > we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
> > The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
> > admit he is wrong.
> > I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do
> not
> > beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to
> make
> > such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic
> assessments a
> > season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not 
> and
> > has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
> > even if he doesnt want to face reality.
> >
> > Don White
> >  s
> > Phil Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening
> in
> > > Oz.
> > > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly
> go
> back
> > > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather -
> while
> > > the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > >
> > > > G'day all,
> > > > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > > > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th
> until
> > > > the
> > > > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms.
> While
> > > > Alice
> > > > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the
> western
> edge
> > > > of
> > > > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > > > significant
> > > > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of
> rain,
> but
> > > > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken
> did
> not
> > > > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > > > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe
> my
> > > > faith
> > > > will be restored...
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Duncan
> > > > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > > > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com"
> <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts
> of
> > > > Australia
> > > > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April
> 2001.
> > > > I've
> > > > only
> > > > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my
> assessment.
> > > > It
> > > > is
> > > > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > > > (forecasts)
> > > > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > > > addition,
> > > > I've
> > > > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation
> of
> > > > any
> > > > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with
> evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > For October we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain
> than
> > > > last
> > > > > month. "
> > > > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the
> overall
> > > > metro
> > > > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the
> only
> > > > stations
> > > > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There
> will
> be
> > > > a
> > > > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > > > meantime
> > > > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > > > >
> > > > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > > > >
> > > > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th.
> "
> > > > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to
> eliminate
> > > > dew.
> > > > > Figures are date/mm
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > > > >
> > > > > So
> > > > > 3rd False
> > > > > 10th True
> > > > > 15th False
> > > > > 17th False
> > > > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the
> previous
> > > > month,
> > > > but
> > > > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which
> being
> > > > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so
> False
> > > > >
> > > > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th,
> 14th-15th,
> > > > 21st
> > > > and
> > > > > 27th."
> > > > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW
> slopes,
> > > > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain
> (either
> > > > amounts
> > > > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th
> (about
> > > > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > > > 14th-15th True
> > > > > 21st False
> > > > > 27th False
> > > > > 24th missed
> > > > >
> > > > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > > > True 3
> > > > > False 8
> > > > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > > > Missed events 3
> > > > >
> > > > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early
> observations:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with
> most
> > > > possibly
> > > > > between 16th-21st."
> > > > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not
> intermittently
> > > > every
> > > > few
> > > > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are
> 3.0mm
> > > > at
> > > > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine
> hours.
> > > > "
> > > > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm
> to
> > > > date.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and
> 25th.
> > > > "
> > > > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heavy storm falls around Brisbane
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:43:28 +1000
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20mm today  at  Mt. Crosby to midnight (13mm from the afternoon storms
(Amberley 24mm), and 7mm after 9:00pm), a bit disappointing compared to some
regional falls, particularly when radar showed the main storm passing
directly over the area around 2:30pm.  But I am not complaining, 20mm is
still a good fall given recent history, and follows up nicely on the 12mm 2
days ago.

John.

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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:52 PM
To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
Subject: aus-wx: Heavy storm falls around Brisbane


I'm a bit surprised there's been no mention on the list of the 73.4mm that
fell in 2 hours to 6pm at Nambour this afternoon.
Also, the flood rain network has reported a few large totals since 9am (up
to 10pm) -- 91mm at Wamuran, 95 at Round Mt Reservoir, and a whopping 170 at
North Pine Dam, 153 of which fell in the hour to 4pm. I think North Pine Dam
is somewhere between Sandgate and Burpengary. Can anyone confirm such heavy
rain?

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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 00:59:00 +1000
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Hi Phil,

I would think that forecasting a max requires rather more of an exact
science than predicting wet/dry periods.

From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken has actually
been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of 12mm which
fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from that event, in
each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in one case just a
trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods.

So that makes Ken right 45 days out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
leeway.  Call it chance if you will, but I don't like to think about that
correlation coefficient.

John.
>snip
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Is anyone ready to try some BoM-bashing instead?  For ammo check out
http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/3967.html?
FridayNovember1520021032pm for a graph of the BoM's performance on
Melbourne's maximum temperatures for the last seven days.
But in all fairness, this is not an exact science. More often than not
the forecast maximum will be "in error". It just happens that this week
the errors have all been in the same direction.

Phil
<><

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Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:14:13 +0930
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy

> Don .....
>
> While it seems interetsing that you should wish to defend the
> profession,
> the finger pointing aint going to advance an argument very far.
>
> The BOM constantly get it wrong, yet we are all ready to back them with
> "models wrong"..."difficult set-up..." etc etc.
>
> Just sit back and enjoy it - labelling, accusing etc will only see you
> in
> Court. Let his work speak the loudest....
>
> Rgds,
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
>
>
> > Phil
> > I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
> > professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows
> clearly
> > that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
> > random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more
> accuarate.
> > Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
> > changes his parameters at will.
> > His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his
> limited
> > forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
> > rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by
> changing
> > his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
> > stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
> > and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney.
> > On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
> > Hi all
> > I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least),
> in
> > November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
> > My prediction for Sydney:
> > Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th,
> 16th-21st,
> > and
> > 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
> > My prediction for Brisbane:
> > Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th,
> heaviest
> > falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th,
> mostly
> > dry
> > again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around
> 150mm
> > between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
> > Ken
> > It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
> > month.
> > surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of
> which
> > he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone
> past
> > that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
> > plainly wrong.
> > All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
> > professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
> > putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate
> it
> > because we are yet at that level.
> > If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't
> accept
> > the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore
> them
> > because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No
> one
> > is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast
> with
> > 80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast
> for
> > a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
> > accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same
> as
> > today.
> >
> > Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain
> for
> > Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it
> will
> > rain - probably this week!
> > As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such
> utterances
> > made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all
> be
> > eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I
> believe
> > we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
> > The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
> > admit he is wrong.
> > I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do
> not
> > beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to
> make
> > such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic
> assessments a
> > season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not
> and
> > has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
> > even if he doesnt want to face reality.
> >
> > Don White
> >  s
> > Phil Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening
> in
> > > Oz.
> > > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly
> go
> back
> > > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather -
> while
> > > the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > >
> > > > G'day all,
> > > > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > > > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th
> until
> > > > the
> > > > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms.
> While
> > > > Alice
> > > > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the
> western
> edge
> > > > of
> > > > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > > > significant
> > > > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of
> rain,
> but
> > > > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken
> did
> not
> > > > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > > > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe
> my
> > > > faith
> > > > will be restored...
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Duncan
> > > > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > > > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com"
> <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts
> of
> > > > Australia
> > > > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April
> 2001.
> > > > I've
> > > > only
> > > > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my
> assessment.
> > > > It
> > > > is
> > > > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > > > (forecasts)
> > > > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > > > addition,
> > > > I've
> > > > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation
> of
> > > > any
> > > > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with
> evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > For October we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain
> than
> > > > last
> > > > > month. "
> > > > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the
> overall
> > > > metro
> > > > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the
> only
> > > > stations
> > > > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There
> will
> be
> > > > a
> > > > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > > > meantime
> > > > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > > > >
> > > > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > > > >
> > > > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th.
> "
> > > > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to
> eliminate
> > > > dew.
> > > > > Figures are date/mm
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > > > >
> > > > > So
> > > > > 3rd False
> > > > > 10th True
> > > > > 15th False
> > > > > 17th False
> > > > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the
> previous
> > > > month,
> > > > but
> > > > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which
> being
> > > > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so
> False
> > > > >
> > > > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th,
> 14th-15th,
> > > > 21st
> > > > and
> > > > > 27th."
> > > > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW
> slopes,
> > > > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain
> (either
> > > > amounts
> > > > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th
> (about
> > > > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > > > 14th-15th True
> > > > > 21st False
> > > > > 27th False
> > > > > 24th missed
> > > > >
> > > > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > > > True 3
> > > > > False 8
> > > > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > > > Missed events 3
> > > > >
> > > > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early
> observations:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with
> most
> > > > possibly
> > > > > between 16th-21st."
> > > > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not
> intermittently
> > > > every
> > > > few
> > > > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are
> 3.0mm
> > > > at
> > > > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine
> hours.
> > > > "
> > > > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm
> to
> > > > date.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and
> 25th.
> > > > "
> > > > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > > > >
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From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
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maybe Phil - I'm sure I could charge an excessive consultants fee and do
quite well for myself  !
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> Maybe you should hire yourself out to drought-stricken cockies to pedal
> around their properties!
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:24:08 +1000
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
>
> > I can concur with that - 23mm and counting in Petrie (N of Brisbane).
> >
> > I actually have a significant theory on Brisbane rainfall - It rains
> > when I
> > get on my pushbike - hmmmm - maybe I should go for a ride out west.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 3:27 PM
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
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> >
> > > Pissing down now in Brisbane..
> > >
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From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heavy storm falls around Brisbane
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North Pine dam is about 2km from my house behind Petrie and Strathpine).  In
my back yard we had 49mm total for the last 24 hours.  The dam is quite
large so I guess it depends where they take their measurements and how
localised the heavy falls were - seems a big difference though.

I'm also in the SES here and with a total like that would expect some
localised flooding issues esecially with the majority of the total falling
in a short period of time.  So unless the rain only fell at the dam it seems
to high.  We only had one callout yesterday and that was a simple leaking
roof.

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> I'm a bit surprised there's been no mention on the list of the 73.4mm that
> fell in 2 hours to 6pm at Nambour this afternoon.
> Also, the flood rain network has reported a few large totals since 9am (up
> to 10pm) -- 91mm at Wamuran, 95 at Round Mt Reservoir, and a whopping 170
at
> North Pine Dam, 153 of which fell in the hour to 4pm. I think North Pine
Dam
> is somewhere between Sandgate and Burpengary. Can anyone confirm such
heavy
> rain?
>
> Laurier
>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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> >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in
> Oz.
> So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go back
> to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather -

How about someone else stick some forecasts out there alongside mine. Are
there any real-life forecasters on this forum list, or just knockers? Be
brave enough to put a forecast out there, instead of cowardly attacking me
from behind a safe wall. Even for the 5-7 days some skite that they can do.
If you criticise my offerings so savagely, show an alternative forecast. But
I bet I won't see that.

How about someone take note of what I am actually claiming, not what members
want me to be claiming so they can bash it. The gist of my October forecast
was DRYNESS. I was correct. The dates I mentioned were POTENTIAL for rain,
that's what I said, not for actual rain. Without the potential it aint gonna
rain. The orography has a lot to do with it. WITH the potential, it will
rain if rain is about. The times it rained, it WAS about, AND the potential
was there. People are trying to apply meteorology to what I do, which is
basically astronomy and lunar astrology. I am NOT a meteorologist, and have
NEVER claimed to be one. It may be more relevant to stop judging me along
those lines. And I certainly don't claim 100%. Some are assuming I do. Nah,
wake up fellas..

Pity all the bashing though, because it means I can't discuss what I'm
doing, and the method I use to arrive at my forecasts. An assessment on THAT
would be more worthwhile, because then members could try it for their own
areas. But whilst the head-kickers of the likes of Don White and David Jones
are around, the climate is just too hostile. I'm sure members can all
understand that. Think how they would react.

How about stop saying I should have told everyone about rain that did occur
e.g. in remote areas of Central Australia. WHAT? Why? I'm not asked to do
that. The magazines I write for have a readership in the bigger towns. To
blame me for what I didn't say is silly. I don't even LOOK UP those areas,
so can hardly be blamed for missing them. How about a similar analysis on
the BoM's track record, and the rain/droughts/frosts THEY didn't forecast
either. “>Pissing down now in Brisbane..” By leaving out my successes my
would-be assessors are doing exactly what they blame me for. Such a negative
bias in this assessment process makes it invalid and a waste of time.

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<x-flowed>
Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,

This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive and a total 
waste of time. You guys have tried time and time again to catch Ken out and 
basically litter the list with what I call boring continuous threads. If 
you want to hammer anyone do it personally please. It's as bad as the 
stupid "The cloud" thread.

How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try and 
state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than bash 
someone else's with statistical crap. By doing this we can all analyse for 
ourselves.

Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the 
weather and so on - variation is a key to success. Especially now that rain 
and storms have revisited and the GMS-5 is going to be replaced by GOES 9. 
The weather is definitely changing and it will be interesting to see if the 
drought for coastal areas at least persists until about February - March as 
suggested by the BoM. Ken suggests the drought will be breaking November? 
Forget dates buddies - it is common sense that anyone with some knowledge 
will understand that following by the moon is a "potential" as suggested by 
Ken in this recent post and on some other posts if it was to be "true". 
People who have followed fishing and hunting with solunar tables will 
realise that the behaviour of fish have been affected by the moon. But 
again it is a potential and other factors can affect feeding patterns. I 
would not even try elaborate further on this issue.

I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions rather than 
the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves. I do understand 
that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those involved in 
commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more 
business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.

Jimmy Deguara

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Jimmy wrote

> Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
>
> This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> and a total
> waste of time.

Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone on the list.

> You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> Ken out

And succeeded.

> If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.

Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal support for
them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I object
to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".

>
> How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try and
> state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than bash
> someone else's with statistical crap.

If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do I have to
become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy. And do you really
believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain measured
is "statistical crap"?

> Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the
> weather and so on - variation is a key to success.

The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of the weather, which
include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one area of
weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and capability to use the
delete key.

> I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> rather than
> the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.

Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful language -- "the
gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons for
communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away from anything
approaching intellectual rigour?

> I do understand
> that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> involved in
> commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
>
I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the Bureau,
so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on both sides. I
should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from meteorology
is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting as I believe I am
not qualified to do so.


Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters and many
others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics long ago, as
did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an accreditation
system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American Meteorological
Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has been talked
about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has the mettle to
take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for something that
would be seen as its own self-interest.

I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they want to;
but when they charge for something that is patently wrong, disprovable and
misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that most
societies have developed.

If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against misleading
conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we deserve what we
get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.

Laurier

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Ken, I note you do not offer any response to the quite serious forecast
verification issues I raised when I started this thread. I am genuinely
trying to establish whether your forecasts are accurate.

You will note that there has been no invective in any of my communications.
Are you going to respond in a similar vein?

Laurier


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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Friday, 15 November, 2002 20:13
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
>
>
> > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in
> > Oz.
> > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can
> quietly go back
> > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather -
>
> How about someone else stick some forecasts out there alongside mine. Are
> there any real-life forecasters on this forum list, or just knockers? Be
> brave enough to put a forecast out there, instead of cowardly attacking me
> from behind a safe wall. Even for the 5-7 days some skite that
> they can do.
> If you criticise my offerings so savagely, show an alternative
> forecast. But
> I bet I won't see that.
>
> How about someone take note of what I am actually claiming, not
> what members
> want me to be claiming so they can bash it. The gist of my
> October forecast
> was DRYNESS. I was correct. The dates I mentioned were POTENTIAL for rain,
> that's what I said, not for actual rain. Without the potential it
> aint gonna
> rain. The orography has a lot to do with it. WITH the potential, it will
> rain if rain is about. The times it rained, it WAS about, AND the
> potential
> was there. People are trying to apply meteorology to what I do, which is
> basically astronomy and lunar astrology. I am NOT a
> meteorologist, and have
> NEVER claimed to be one. It may be more relevant to stop judging me along
> those lines. And I certainly don't claim 100%. Some are assuming
> I do. Nah,
> wake up fellas..
>
> Pity all the bashing though, because it means I can't discuss what I'm
> doing, and the method I use to arrive at my forecasts. An
> assessment on THAT
> would be more worthwhile, because then members could try it for their own
> areas. But whilst the head-kickers of the likes of Don White and
> David Jones
> are around, the climate is just too hostile. I'm sure members can all
> understand that. Think how they would react.
>
> How about stop saying I should have told everyone about rain that
> did occur
> e.g. in remote areas of Central Australia. WHAT? Why? I'm not asked to do
> that. The magazines I write for have a readership in the bigger towns. To
> blame me for what I didn't say is silly. I don't even LOOK UP those areas,
> so can hardly be blamed for missing them. How about a similar analysis on
> the BoM's track record, and the rain/droughts/frosts THEY didn't forecast
> either. “>Pissing down now in Brisbane..” By leaving out my successes my
> would-be assessors are doing exactly what they blame me for. Such
> a negative
> bias in this assessment process makes it invalid and a waste of time.
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: "In Search of Supercells 2002" - the video
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Hi Macca,

Finalising the initial order for the video on Tuesday night next week -
I've had a quick peek at the tapes......it's certainly 'droolable' stuff
if you like severe weather!!

At least you've got your computer back - there were 3 days this week
while mine was off having a "lobotomy" & I nearly went spare!!

Cheers,

Jane
--------------------------------
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Australian Sky & Weather
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Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: "In Search of Supercells 2002" - the video


> Morning,
>
> Finally got my friggen email working again - 665 to read.
>
> Can I order one of these or is it too late?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Macca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 9:43 PM
> To: Aussie-wx
> Subject: aus-wx: "In Search of Supercells 2002" - the video
>
>
> Australian Sky & Weather are proud to announce a significant video by
> Roger Hill who has provided a generous discount to purchase an almost
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Roger's
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> Vehicle' in the USA - where Roger goes, severe weather follows.......
>
> If you are interested in obtaining a copy have a look here for more
> details  http://www.stormchasers.au.com/supercells2002.htm
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<x-flowed>
Hi Laurier,

Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I assume that 
all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not interested in 
them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed so that 
others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to post 
their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be it for the sake 
of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much fairer base 
to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my opinion.

Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I would 
like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe your 
approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this is what I am 
trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called "stupid" 
etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to 
variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list can correct me 
kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming from the 
past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.

I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and logical approach as 
the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though please change 
the subject to something more pleasant.

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>Jimmy wrote
>
> > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> >
> > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > and a total
> > waste of time.
>
>Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone on the list.
>
> > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > Ken out
>
>And succeeded.
>
> > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
>
>Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal support for
>them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I object
>to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
>
> >
> > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try and
> > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than bash
> > someone else's with statistical crap.
>
>If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do I have to
>become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy. And do you really
>believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain measured
>is "statistical crap"?
>
> > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the
> > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
>
>The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of the weather, which
>include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one area of
>weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and capability to use the
>delete key.
>
> > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > rather than
> > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
>
>Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful language -- "the
>gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons for
>communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away from anything
>approaching intellectual rigour?
>
> > I do understand
> > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> > involved in
> > commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> >
>I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the Bureau,
>so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on both sides. I
>should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from meteorology
>is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting as I believe I am
>not qualified to do so.
>
>
>Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters and many
>others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics long ago, as
>did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an accreditation
>system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American Meteorological
>Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has been talked
>about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has the mettle to
>take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for something that
>would be seen as its own self-interest.
>
>I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they want to;
>but when they charge for something that is patently wrong, disprovable and
>misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that most
>societies have developed.
>
>If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against misleading
>conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
>rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we deserve what we
>get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
>
>Laurier
>
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From: "Rhett Blanch" <rhettaj at optusnet.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Heavy rain and Severe Storms Northern Tablelands and Nth NSW 14/11
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:54:28 +1100
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Some good falls on Thurday night apparantly in Nth NSW.  Barraba experience
flash flooding and Deepwater had a significant hail event - hail hanging
piled up until well into the next day.  Better description at the link
below:

http://tamworth.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?story_id=192269

Rhett



Tip for Aussie Weather Users:
If your using Outlook can I suggest:
Tools>Rules Wizard>
Click the New.. button
Select "Check when new messages arrive...", then hit next.
Check "with specific words in the subject"
Check "with specific works in the body"
Click the hyperlink "specific words in the subject".
Type in the field "Add New:" the text "aus-wx" and click "Add" and then OK.
Click the hyperlink "specific words in the body".
Type in the field "Add New:" the text "Ken" and click "Add" and then OK.
Hit next and check "delete it"
Hit next again.
Name your rule "aus-wx-peace-at-last"
Click OK

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At 09:04 AM 16/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>Hi Macca,
>
>Finalising the initial order for the video on Tuesday night next week -
>I've had a quick peek at the tapes......it's certainly 'droolable' stuff
>if you like severe weather!!

Hmm, droolage eh? ;-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
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Jimmy
I have no problem responding to polite requests to explain myself, and,
where possible, errors I make. Where those who are doing the asking are
attached to the BoM or whatever, I would be interested in a similar call for
the same response from them, where a forecast I have made tallies with that
of the BoM. David Jones is on this list and works for the BoM, so a parallel
call to him to explain misforecasts would be welcome.

would-be bashers
We have already read a post by John Woodbridge, for which I thank him most
sincerely. In case members missed it:
">From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken has
actually
been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of 12mm which
fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from that event, in
each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in one case just a
trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods. So that makes Ken right 45 days
out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
leeway.."
I really don't see the need to comment further, other than to say that if
you think I have been inaccurate in your area then maybe you were standing
in a different place to where my forecasts applied. General-area approaches
are what most long range predictions work with, and potentials rather than
actual rain. If it rains in one part of a district and not in another, then
clearly the potential is there for that district, but the rain might not
have been be over every nook and cranny of that district. This is fairly
obvious.
On the subject of my call for others, especially James, Laurier, Don et all
to also put up forecasts before they attack me for mine; in response to
(Laurier)> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do I
have to become a builder to prove them wrong..yes, Laurier, I'm afraid so.
That's the hard part, but the responsibility that goes with mounting the
platform to criticise. You have to demonstrate you can at least do the same
only better. Otherwise you could just be anybody off the street and it would
be a waste of people's time to have to listen to you. Prove that you have a
working knowledge of long range forecasting techniques by doing it too.
Otherwise leave me alone. I'm doing my best - but - just bashing - is that
the best YOU can do?

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From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather


> Hi Laurier,
>
> Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I assume that
> all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not interested
in
> them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed so that
> others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to post
> their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be it for the
sake
> of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much fairer base
> to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my opinion.
>
> Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I would
> like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe your
> approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this is what I am
> trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called
"stupid"
> etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to
> variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list can correct me
> kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming from
the
> past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.
>
> I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and logical approach as
> the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though please change
> the subject to something more pleasant.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> >Jimmy wrote
> >
> > > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> > >
> > > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > > and a total
> > > waste of time.
> >
> >Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone on the list.
> >
> > > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > > Ken out
> >
> >And succeeded.
> >
> > > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
> >
> >Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal support
for
> >them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I
object
> >to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
> >
> > >
> > > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try
and
> > > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than
bash
> > > someone else's with statistical crap.
> >
> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do I have to
> >become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy. And do you
really
> >believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain
measured
> >is "statistical crap"?
> >
> > > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the
> > > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
> >
> >The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of the weather,
which
> >include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one area
of
> >weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and capability to use
the
> >delete key.
> >
> > > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > > rather than
> > > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
> >
> >Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful language -- "the
> >gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons for
> >communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away from anything
> >approaching intellectual rigour?
> >
> > > I do understand
> > > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> > > involved in
> > > commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> > > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> > >
> >I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the
Bureau,
> >so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on both sides. I
> >should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from
meteorology
> >is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting as I believe I
am
> >not qualified to do so.
> >
> >
> >Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters and
many
> >others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics long ago, as
> >did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an accreditation
> >system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American Meteorological
> >Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has been talked
> >about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has the mettle to
> >take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for something that
> >would be seen as its own self-interest.
> >
> >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they want
to;
> >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong, disprovable
and
> >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that most
> >societies have developed.
> >
> >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
misleading
> >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we deserve what we
> >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> >
> >Laurier
> >
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From: "Liz Kennedy" <beth511 at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Michael's forecast accuracy.
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:30:42 +1100
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lol  at  michael...hehehe



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Thompson" <ozthunder at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:20 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Michael's forecast accuracy.


> Looking into the crystal ball I see......................................
>
> Melbourne ....next August a day either side of the 15th to 17th you will
> have strato cumulus.
>
> Wollongong..............next November, a day either side of the 29th to
> 30th, a trough will stall just 200km north and provide severe weather to
the
> NE third of NSW, whilst Wollongong will miss out.
>
> .................................wait there is
> more...............................
>
> I see storms in Darwin this December....................strong winds in
> Tasmania sometime in the next six weeks.
>
> Michael
>
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Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 17:34:45 +1100
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Paul...
I would have thought a weather-watcher like yourself would not make a
statement such as "the BOM constantly get it wrong...
That is plainlu not right. Wrong sometimes - sure - but in general their
level of accuracy exceeds 85% 
I am not a defender of some of the forecasters in the BOM, especially in
the Sydney Office (you can almost pick who is the senior met. of duty by
their forecasts) but overall, their accuracy is pretty good and getting
better. It is difficult to assess accuracy in forecasts due to their
nature but the BOM also knows its limitations and would not issue a
specific day forecast weeks / months ahead. 
I am quite happy for Ken to make assessments.... what I find 
objectionable is his inability to accept that his statements are
constantly proven to have an accuracy less than chance... and then to
make the misleading statements on his accuracy. There are always the
gullible who want to believe. 
If I forecast the weather for Sydney to be the same (within the
parameters of 2 +/- 3 degrees max temp  and stick to  5 categories of
weather - sunny, partly cloudy, shower or two (less than 1 hr rain in
daylight hours), few showers, thunderstorms and rain, then I will be
right more than 75% of the time.
I did an experiment for statisitical analysis some years ago withe those
5 categories from momths of November to MzArch and dropping the storm
category for other months.
A random selection of the 4 or 5 marbles each indicating 1 of the
categories led to an accacuary of just under 80%. I would never promotre
that as a serious work but it gave better results than Ken in the past
month. 
Imagine the attitude in the community to our profession if someone
claiming profession knowledge in the area copuld be shown as less
compentant to chance.

Don White


Paul Mossman wrote:
> 
> Don .....
> 
> While it seems interetsing that you should wish to defend the profession,
> the finger pointing aint going to advance an argument very far.
> 
> The BOM constantly get it wrong, yet we are all ready to back them with
> "models wrong"..."difficult set-up..." etc etc.
> 
> Just sit back and enjoy it - labelling, accusing etc will only see you in
> Court. Let his work speak the loudest....
> 
> Rgds,
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:34 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> 
> > Phil
> > I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
> > professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows clearly
> > that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
> > random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more accuarate.
> > Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
> > changes his parameters at will.
> > His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his limited
> > forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
> > rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by changing
> > his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
> > stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
> > and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney.
> > On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
> > Hi all
> > I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least), in
> > November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
> > My prediction for Sydney:
> > Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th, 16th-21st,
> > and
> > 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
> > My prediction for Brisbane:
> > Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th, heaviest
> > falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th, mostly
> > dry
> > again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around 150mm
> > between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
> > Ken
> > It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
> > month.
> > surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of which
> > he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone past
> > that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
> > plainly wrong.
> > All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
> > professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
> > putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate it
> > because we are yet at that level.
> > If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't accept
> > the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore them
> > because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No one
> > is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast with
> > 80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast for
> > a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
> > accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same as
> > today.
> >
> > Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain for
> > Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it will
> > rain - probably this week!
> > As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such utterances
> > made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all be
> > eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I believe
> > we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
> > The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
> > admit he is wrong.
> > I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do not
> > beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to make
> > such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic assessments a
> > season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not  and
> > has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
> > even if he doesnt want to face reality.
> >
> > Don White
> >  s
> > Phil Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening in
> > > Oz.
> > > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go
> back
> > > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather - while
> > > the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > >
> > > > G'day all,
> > > > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > > > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th until
> > > > the
> > > > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms. While
> > > > Alice
> > > > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western
> edge
> > > > of
> > > > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > > > significant
> > > > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of rain,
> but
> > > > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken did
> not
> > > > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > > > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my
> > > > faith
> > > > will be restored...
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Duncan
> > > > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > > > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts of
> > > > Australia
> > > > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April 2001.
> > > > I've
> > > > only
> > > > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my
> assessment.
> > > > It
> > > > is
> > > > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > > > (forecasts)
> > > > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > > > addition,
> > > > I've
> > > > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation of
> > > > any
> > > > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
> > > > >
> > > > > For October we have:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain than
> > > > last
> > > > > month. "
> > > > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the overall
> > > > metro
> > > > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the only
> > > > stations
> > > > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There will
> be
> > > > a
> > > > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > > > meantime
> > > > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > > > >
> > > > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > > > >
> > > > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. "
> > > > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to eliminate
> > > > dew.
> > > > > Figures are date/mm
> > > > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > > > >
> > > > > So
> > > > > 3rd False
> > > > > 10th True
> > > > > 15th False
> > > > > 17th False
> > > > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the previous
> > > > month,
> > > > but
> > > > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> > > > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so
> False
> > > > >
> > > > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th, 14th-15th,
> > > > 21st
> > > > and
> > > > > 27th."
> > > > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW
> slopes,
> > > > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain (either
> > > > amounts
> > > > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th (about
> > > > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > > > 14th-15th True
> > > > > 21st False
> > > > > 27th False
> > > > > 24th missed
> > > > >
> > > > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > > > True 3
> > > > > False 8
> > > > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > > > Missed events 3
> > > > >
> > > > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early observations:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with most
> > > > possibly
> > > > > between 16th-21st."
> > > > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not intermittently
> > > > every
> > > > few
> > > > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are
> 3.0mm
> > > > at
> > > > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine hours.
> > > > "
> > > > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to
> > > > date.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and 25th.
> > > > "
> > > > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:27:56 +0930
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Hi Don,

I dont have a problem with anyone pointing out erroneous material. I just
dont like to see it get emotive."Ken bashing" and the like I think is quite
immature and does not really adavnace anyones argument.

The BOM up here frequently get it wrong with forecasts. In fact I havnt seen
a legit forecast for ages now.

But then its all a matter of subjectivity isnt it....

Rgds, Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy


> Paul...
> I would have thought a weather-watcher like yourself would not make a
> statement such as "the BOM constantly get it wrong...
> That is plainlu not right. Wrong sometimes - sure - but in general their
> level of accuracy exceeds 85%
> I am not a defender of some of the forecasters in the BOM, especially in
> the Sydney Office (you can almost pick who is the senior met. of duty by
> their forecasts) but overall, their accuracy is pretty good and getting
> better. It is difficult to assess accuracy in forecasts due to their
> nature but the BOM also knows its limitations and would not issue a
> specific day forecast weeks / months ahead.
> I am quite happy for Ken to make assessments.... what I find
> objectionable is his inability to accept that his statements are
> constantly proven to have an accuracy less than chance... and then to
> make the misleading statements on his accuracy. There are always the
> gullible who want to believe.
> If I forecast the weather for Sydney to be the same (within the
> parameters of 2 +/- 3 degrees max temp  and stick to  5 categories of
> weather - sunny, partly cloudy, shower or two (less than 1 hr rain in
> daylight hours), few showers, thunderstorms and rain, then I will be
> right more than 75% of the time.
> I did an experiment for statisitical analysis some years ago withe those
> 5 categories from momths of November to MzArch and dropping the storm
> category for other months.
> A random selection of the 4 or 5 marbles each indicating 1 of the
> categories led to an accacuary of just under 80%. I would never promotre
> that as a serious work but it gave better results than Ken in the past
> month.
> Imagine the attitude in the community to our profession if someone
> claiming profession knowledge in the area copuld be shown as less
> compentant to chance.
>
> Don White
>
>
> Paul Mossman wrote:
> >
> > Don .....
> >
> > While it seems interetsing that you should wish to defend the
profession,
> > the finger pointing aint going to advance an argument very far.
> >
> > The BOM constantly get it wrong, yet we are all ready to back them with
> > "models wrong"..."difficult set-up..." etc etc.
> >
> > Just sit back and enjoy it - labelling, accusing etc will only see you
in
> > Court. Let his work speak the loudest....
> >
> > Rgds,
> > Paul
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> >
> > > Phil
> > > I am not into "Ken bashing" but it annoys me when a fraud like Ken
> > > professes to be a weather predictor when all the evidence shows
clearly
> > > that his so called predictions are no better than chance - in fact, a
> > > random assesment of recent weather in sydney, would be more accuarate.
> > > Sure, eventually he has to be right but he is so dishonest that he
> > > changes his parameters at will.
> > > His theories have been shown to be wrong...  time and again his
limited
> > > forecasts that have been available to us have been shown to be total
> > > rubbish, but he persists in trying to justify his forecasts by
changing
> > > his interpreations eg his stupid comments today about early November
> > > stating showers... storms in SE Australia... 500 kms away from Sydney
> > > and then tries to use that to justify his forecast of rain in Sydney.
> > > On 26 October Ken posted on this list the following:
> > > Hi all
> > > I believe the drought is due to be broken (or broken into at least),
in
> > > November, as I posted on 24/7/02.
> > > My prediction for Sydney:
> > > Sydney is likely to see rain on Nov. 2nd/3rd, then 7th-10th,
16th-21st,
> > > and
> > > 24th-28th.  I would expect over 40mm to fall in November.
> > > My prediction for Brisbane:
> > > Brisbane will see rain Oct. 30th off and on till November 20th,
heaviest
> > > falls around Oct. 30th, Nov 4th and Nov. 11th. After Nov. 20th, mostly
> > > dry
> > > again till Dec. 18th. I would expect Brisbane to get about around
150mm
> > > between 30/10/02 and 20/11/02
> > > Ken
> > > It rained in Sydney today - 15 Novewmber - for the first time this
> > > month.
> > > surely that aloe shows the futility of trying to do something of which
> > > he is incapable! I enjoy an intellectual disvcussion - we have gone
past
> > > that poitn with Ken's rubbsish. It cannot be justified because it is
> > > plainly wrong.
> > > All other professions (eg medicine, law engineering etc) have
> > > professional bodies for a reasom. Imagine the science of medicine
> > > putting up with such ignorant utterences... but we have to tolerate it
> > > because we are yet at that level.
> > > If Ken wants to  put forward his theories  --- fine.  If he can't
accept
> > > the fact that his forecasts are useless, then we can't just ignore
them
> > > because they "bring down" the whole  credibility of meteorology. No
one
> > > is saying that this science is perfect... but if I cannot forecast
with
> > > 80-85% accuracy then there is little point .. after all, a forecast
for
> > > a city such as Sydeny based on presistence alone would be 75%
> > > accurate... and all that is saying is that tomorrow will be the same
as
> > > today.
> > >
> > > Ken has been wrong every day in November that he has forecast rain for
> > > Sysdney. Eventually, he will be right, but so what? Eventually it will
> > > rain - probably this week!
> > > As a science and as a fledging industry we must reject such utterances
> > > made on the pretext for forecasting the weather otherwise we will all
be
> > > eventually judged by the lowest common demoninator.That is why I
believe
> > > we cannot allow Ken to go unchallenged.
> > > The trouble with Ken is that he is either unwilling or too stupid to
> > > admit he is wrong.
> > > I will not give a day by day forecast beyond 5-7 days because I do not
> > > beleive that the science of meteorology is sophisticated enough to
make
> > > such outlooks commercially viable. I will prepare climatic assessments
a
> > > season ahead based on variation to normal. To try to do more is not
and
> > > has never been justified.. Ken's attempts have shown that to be true
> > > even if he doesnt want to face reality.
> > >
> > > Don White
> > >  s
> > > Phil Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >From over here, it appears the level of Ken-bashing is inversely
> > > > proportional to the amount of interesting weather that is happening
in
> > > > Oz.
> > > > So let some decent storms come rolling through so Ken can quietly go
> > back
> > > > to what he loves doing - having a go at predicting the weather -
while
> > > > the rest of us read some exciting chase reports etc.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > > <><
> > > >
> > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> > > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> > > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> > > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 18:02:05 +1030
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > > >
> > > > > G'day all,
> > > > > I might join in the Ken Ring bashing session as well.
> > > > > Dunno about Ken's accuracy for Central Australia. From the 9th
until
> > > > > the
> > > > > 13th of November the region had a period of humidity and Storms.
While
> > > > > Alice
> > > > > Springs recorded only around 5mm, New Crown station on the western
> > edge
> > > > > of
> > > > > the Simpson Desert recorded around 27mm. For them, this is a
> > > > > significant
> > > > > rain event. Many areas around Alice Springs had good falls of
rain,
> > but
> > > > > these aren't recorded due to the remoteness of the country. Ken
did
> > not
> > > > > mention even the possibilty of rain.
> > > > > He predicts rain for around November 22nd. We shall see - maybe my
> > > > > faith
> > > > > will be restored...
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Duncan
> > > > > Alice Springs, N.T.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> > > > > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com"
<aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, 15 November 2002 11:38 am
> > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Ken's forecast accuracy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ken currently has October and November 2002 forecasts for parts
of
> > > > > Australia
> > > > > > on his site, and says that they were compiled back in April
2001.
> > > > > I've
> > > > > only
> > > > > > had time to look at NSW (Sydney and Wagga), but here's my
> > assessment.
> > > > > It
> > > > > is
> > > > > > based on a simple semantic assessment of whether the statements
> > > > > (forecasts)
> > > > > > made by Ken came true or not, based on available evidence. In
> > > > > addition,
> > > > > I've
> > > > > > noted rain events that Ken should have forecast but did not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd welcome Ken's agreement or disagreement with the validation
of
> > > > > any
> > > > > > individual forecast events, backed up, of course, with evidence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For October we have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Sydney (1) continues its dry spell, (2) with even less rain
than
> > > > > last
> > > > > > month. "
> > > > > > 1. True, the dry spell continued.
> > > > > > 2. Neither true nor false, if "Sydney" is taken to be the
overall
> > > > > metro
> > > > > > area. Here are some randomly distributed totals. These are the
only
> > > > > stations
> > > > > > for which totals were received each day in both months. There
will
> > be
> > > > > a
> > > > > > fuller picture when all postal rain returns are in, but in the
> > > > > meantime
> > > > > > these stations give quite a good spread across the metro area.
> > > > > > Cronulla South: Sept 23.8, Oct 25.0 UP
> > > > > > Marrickville: 20.0, 19.0 DOWN (just)
> > > > > > Airport: 15.0, 9.8 DOWN
> > > > > > Newport: 34.0, 8.0 DOWN
> > > > > > Little Bay: 58.8, 14.0 DOWN
> > > > > > Observatory Hill: 21.8, 5.8 DOWN
> > > > > > Strathfield: 8.0, 13.0 UP
> > > > > > Parramatta North: 8.0, 8.0 SAME
> > > > > > Bankstown AP: 6.2, 18.2 UP
> > > > > > Frenchs Forest: 33.2, 38.0 UP
> > > > > > Homebush Olympic Park: 8.8, 34.4 UP
> > > > > > Prospect Dam: 5.2, 11.3 UP
> > > > > > Liverpool: 7.3, 1.8 DOWN
> > > > > > Richmond RAAF: 22.4, 1.0 DOWN
> > > > > > Badgery's Creek: 6.4, 0.4 DOWN
> > > > > > Seven Hills: 6.5, 16.5 UP
> > > > > > Penrith Lakes: 4.4, 5.6 UP (just)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > UP 8, DOWN 8, SAME 1, TOTAL 17
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th.
"
> > > > > > Depends on what you call "rain". I'll take it as >0.2mm to
eliminate
> > > > > dew.
> > > > > > Figures are date/mm
> > > > > > Observatory Hill: 10/3.0 14/2.0
> > > > > > Airport: 10/5.8 11/2.2 21/1.2
> > > > > > Bankstown: 10/0.6 11/0.6 21/17.0
> > > > > > Frenchs Forest: 10/3.0 21/1.0 22/33.0 28/1.0
> > > > > > Homebush: 10/2.0, 13/0.4, 14/0.4 21/31.0
> > > > > > Prospect Dam: 02/2.2 05/1.5 10/3.8 11/0.4 14/0.4 21/2.0 22/1.0
> > > > > > Richmond: 11/1.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So
> > > > > > 3rd False
> > > > > > 10th True
> > > > > > 15th False
> > > > > > 17th False
> > > > > > Significant falls on 21 and 22 missed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Wagga Wagga may only get (1) about half the rain of the
previous
> > > > > month,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > (2) also less than half the sunshine hours also."
> > > > > > 1. Rain at the airport was 36.0 in Sept, 0.2 in Oct, which being
> > > > > > significantly less than "about half" scores a False.
> > > > > > 2. Sunshine in October was 332, up on September's 272 hours, so
> > False
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around 1st-6th,
14th-15th,
> > > > > 21st
> > > > > and
> > > > > > 27th."
> > > > > > The only fall was 0.2 on the 8th. Across the broader area (SW
> > slopes,
> > > > > > eastern Riverina), the only days with any significant rain
(either
> > > > > amounts
> > > > > > or spread) were 15th (about half stations 5 to 15mm) and 24th
(about
> > > > > > two-thirds stations 2 to 5mm.)
> > > > > > So, 1st to 6th False
> > > > > > 14th-15th True
> > > > > > 21st False
> > > > > > 27th False
> > > > > > 24th missed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So Ken's score for October:
> > > > > > True 3
> > > > > > False 8
> > > > > > Neither True nor False 1
> > > > > > Missed events 3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For November, the jury's still out, but a few early
observations:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Sydney sees rain at last, intermittently every few days, with
most
> > > > > possibly
> > > > > > between 16th-21st."
> > > > > > Up to 14th virtually no rain at all, certainly not
intermittently
> > > > > every
> > > > > few
> > > > > > days. The highest totals anywhere in the metro area to date are
> > 3.0mm
> > > > > at
> > > > > > Chatswood and Turramurra.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Wagga Wagga will be way down again, with a lot more sunshine
hours.
> > > > > "
> > > > > > 0.0 at Wagga AP to date, and top falls in the area all <1.4mm to
> > > > > date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Any falls for Wagga Wagga could be around 9th, 15th, 23rd and
25th.
> > > > > "
> > > > > > The 9th and several days either side were bone dry.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Further update on November after month's end.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 07:14:09 -0000
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Ken

My request for you to explain forecasts which seemed to me to be in error
was politely made, and I believe your inference that I was "Ken-bashing" is
unnecessarily defensive. Throughout this debate, I have concentrated simply
on the accuracy of forecasts you have made.

I also believe that, as a member of the public who does not engage in
long-range forecasting, I have a perfect right to compare your forecasts to
what actually happened and draw conclusions. If a builder builds me a house
that falls down, I don't need to be a builder to tell that it has fallen
down. If a forecast is made for rain in an area and no rain falls in the
area, I don't need to be a forecaster to be able to objectively and
accurately say that the forecast was wrong.

One important point is your use of the word "potential". The way you use the
word in your published forecast is quite different to the way you have used
it in your most recent emails due to the placement of the word. Your
published forecast for Sydney and Wagga for October says:

"Sydney continues its dry spell, with even less rain than last month.
Potential dates for rain are only on 3rd, 10th, 15th and 17th. Wagga Wagga
may only get about half the rain of the previous month, but also less than
half the sunshine hours also. Biggest falls for Wagga Wagga should be around
1st-6th, 14th-15th, 21st and 27th."

"Potential dates for rain..." translates as "possible dates that rain will
occur." It is a forecast that rain may occur on those dates. If I read your
responses correctly, what you meant to say was "Dates on which there may be
the potential for rain are...". It is a forecast that there will be the
potential for rain on those dates. I wasn't aware of this subtle but
critical difference in meaning until I read your responses, and returned to
the original forecast. Since then, I have shown the paragraph to 18 people
and asked them what it meant with regard to rain in Sydney, and all have
said they thought you were forecasting rain in Sydney on those days. One of
these people is a linguist of world standing. I think it would be worth your
while changing the wording, so it is clear that you are not actually
predicting rain, but only the potential for rain.

I note, again, that you have not commented on the discrepancies between your
forecast and what actually happened in Sydney and Wagga in October. It
cannot all be explained by the difference between forecasting rain and
forecasting the potential for rain. By the way, I did refer to the general
areas, rather than points, in making these comparisons; your comments below
seem to have ignored this fact.

I am still hopeful that you will respond to my original comparisons between
your forecasts and what actually happened in the Sydney and Wagga areas.

Regards

Laurier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 03:45
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
>
>
> Jimmy
> I have no problem responding to polite requests to explain myself, and,
> where possible, errors I make. Where those who are doing the asking are
> attached to the BoM or whatever, I would be interested in a
> similar call for
> the same response from them, where a forecast I have made tallies
> with that
> of the BoM. David Jones is on this list and works for the BoM, so
> a parallel
> call to him to explain misforecasts would be welcome.
>
> would-be bashers
> We have already read a post by John Woodbridge, for which I thank him most
> sincerely. In case members missed it:
> ">From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken has
> actually
> been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of
> 12mm which
> fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from that event, in
> each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in one case just a
> trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods. So that makes Ken
> right 45 days
> out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
> leeway.."
> I really don't see the need to comment further, other than to say that if
> you think I have been inaccurate in your area then maybe you were standing
> in a different place to where my forecasts applied. General-area
> approaches
> are what most long range predictions work with, and potentials rather than
> actual rain. If it rains in one part of a district and not in
> another, then
> clearly the potential is there for that district, but the rain might not
> have been be over every nook and cranny of that district. This is fairly
> obvious.
> On the subject of my call for others, especially James, Laurier,
> Don et all
> to also put up forecasts before they attack me for mine; in response to
> (Laurier)> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls
> down, do I
> have to become a builder to prove them wrong..yes, Laurier, I'm afraid so.
> That's the hard part, but the responsibility that goes with mounting the
> platform to criticise. You have to demonstrate you can at least
> do the same
> only better. Otherwise you could just be anybody off the street
> and it would
> be a waste of people's time to have to listen to you. Prove that
> you have a
> working knowledge of long range forecasting techniques by doing it too.
> Otherwise leave me alone. I'm doing my best - but - just bashing - is that
> the best YOU can do?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:33 AM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
>
>
> > Hi Laurier,
> >
> > Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I assume that
> > all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not interested
> in
> > them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed so that
> > others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to post
> > their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be it for the
> sake
> > of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much
> fairer base
> > to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my opinion.
> >
> > Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I would
> > like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe your
> > approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this
> is what I am
> > trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called
> "stupid"
> > etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to
> > variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list can correct me
> > kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming from
> the
> > past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.
> >
> > I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and logical approach as
> > the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though
> please change
> > the subject to something more pleasant.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Jimmy wrote
> > >
> > > > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> > > >
> > > > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > > > and a total
> > > > waste of time.
> > >
> > >Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone on the list.
> > >
> > > > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > > > Ken out
> > >
> > >And succeeded.
> > >
> > > > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
> > >
> > >Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal support
> for
> > >them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I
> object
> > >to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
> > >
> > > >
> > > > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try
> and
> > > > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than
> bash
> > > > someone else's with statistical crap.
> > >
> > >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do
> I have to
> > >become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy. And do you
> really
> > >believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain
> measured
> > >is "statistical crap"?
> > >
> > > > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the
> > > > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
> > >
> > >The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of the weather,
> which
> > >include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one area
> of
> > >weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and
> capability to use
> the
> > >delete key.
> > >
> > > > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > > > rather than
> > > > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
> > >
> > >Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful
> language -- "the
> > >gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons for
> > >communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away
> from anything
> > >approaching intellectual rigour?
> > >
> > > > I do understand
> > > > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> > > > involved in
> > > > commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> > > > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> > > >
> > >I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the
> Bureau,
> > >so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on both sides. I
> > >should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from
> meteorology
> > >is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting as I believe I
> am
> > >not qualified to do so.
> > >
> > >
> > >Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters and
> many
> > >others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics
> long ago, as
> > >did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an accreditation
> > >system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American
> Meteorological
> > >Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has
> been talked
> > >about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has
> the mettle to
> > >take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for
> something that
> > >would be seen as its own self-interest.
> > >
> > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they want
> to;
> > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong, disprovable
> and
> > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that most
> > >societies have developed.
> > >
> > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> misleading
> > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> deserve what we
> > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> > >
> > >Laurier
> > >
> > >
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is interesting reading mixed comments on BOM's 
accuracy. I can report the NZ Meteorological Service was a joke</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 years ago, today there are very rarely wrong. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BOM have gone through a similar transformation. Its 
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Received 5mm here.

AC

John Woodbridge wrote:
> 
> Pissing down now in Brisbane..
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=198523107-16112002>This 
is almost entirely due to advances in computer modelling together with improved 
sources of data and capacity to analyse that data (compute power).&nbsp; We are 
now in a situation&nbsp;most of the models used in this part of world produce 
reasonably accurate synoptic&nbsp;prognosis for about 4 days in 
advance.&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002>The only&nbsp;criticism which may&nbsp;be applied, it 
is that&nbsp;perhaps there is too heavy a reliance made on computer modelling 
with the odd failure to 'look out the window' at what is actually 
happening.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=198523107-16112002>I'm 
not sure what the issue is in&nbsp;Darwin, but the weather there&nbsp;is no 
stagnant from one day to the next, I do not know how one could get it 
wrong.&nbsp; 33C Max and dry for 6 months of the year,  33C Max with high 
humidity and&nbsp;afternoon thunderstorm for the the other half.&nbsp;&nbsp;(I 
joke)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002>John.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=198523107-16112002>&gt;snip<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Tahoma 
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com 
[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Steven 
Williams<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 5:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Forecast 
accuracy<BR><BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is interesting reading mixed comments on BOM's 
  accuracy. I can report the NZ Meteorological Service was a joke</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 years ago, today there are very rarely wrong. 
  Yes, I am constantly impressed with their accuracy. And no doubt</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BOM have gone through a similar transformation. 
  Its a world wide trend...forecasts are much better now than 
recent</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>history.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
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If I remember correctly, Ken brought the subject back up.  In somewhat
of a provocative manner boasting also.  Surely if Ken has the right
"boast" he is correct (although Ken does that if he's incorrect also!) 
Then people have the right to say "Ken is wrong" then?  That's just part
of the forecasting game...  It's quite simple to play really...make a
forecast, if you're bold and daring about it and it's wrong, you'll get
shot down.  If you're bold and daring and you're right...you'll be
arrogant.  If you're humble and wrong, people will dismiss it quietly. 
If you're humble and correct, then you'll be praised.  Ken makes bold
and daring forecasts, and claims other methods are wrong.  That's just
the case...no one likes some one who's arrogant.

Furthermore, during State of Origin...if I walked into a NSW pub on the
night wearing a QLD jersey and yelled "GO QLD!"...I would expect to get
some flak!  If I didn't want any...I wouldn't be so loud initially.  But
all in all, that is part of the 'fun.'  Unfortunately, you can't retract
what is already said.

In the mean time, I have enjoyed the discussion.  I have enjoyed the
comparisons between them.

AC

Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> 
> Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> 
> This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive and a total
> waste of time. You guys have tried time and time again to catch Ken out and
> basically litter the list with what I call boring continuous threads. If
> you want to hammer anyone do it personally please. It's as bad as the
> stupid "The cloud" thread.
> 
> How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on try and
> state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather than bash
> someone else's with statistical crap. By doing this we can all analyse for
> ourselves.
> 
> Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about the
> weather and so on - variation is a key to success. Especially now that rain
> and storms have revisited and the GMS-5 is going to be replaced by GOES 9.
> The weather is definitely changing and it will be interesting to see if the
> drought for coastal areas at least persists until about February - March as
> suggested by the BoM. Ken suggests the drought will be breaking November?
> Forget dates buddies - it is common sense that anyone with some knowledge
> will understand that following by the moon is a "potential" as suggested by
> Ken in this recent post and on some other posts if it was to be "true".
> People who have followed fishing and hunting with solunar tables will
> realise that the behaviour of fish have been affected by the moon. But
> again it is a potential and other factors can affect feeding patterns. I
> would not even try elaborate further on this issue.
> 
> I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions rather than
> the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves. I do understand
> that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those involved in
> commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> -----------------------------------------
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> 
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> -----------------------------------------
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> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
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> 
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> 
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> 
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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>If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
misleading
> conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> vigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we deserve what we
> get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
Laurier, well said in the latter part; something I also uphold. But I'm
worried about this notion of yours of "misleading conduct". Can you define
that, please? Getting forecasts wrong? Blimey, then every forecasting
agency, especially the BoM will be had up. Having different theories? Then
you forbid new research..Something disprovable? Then that includes all
meterological projections by anyone, which are correlational rather than
causal.  "rules of fairness' ..? We don't have an exact science.
Possibly the only fairness would be that anyone who calls another stupid,
or ignorant etc should be barred from the discussion, because the ideas
should be what are under focus, not the personalities.
Would you care to comment on this?
Ken


> > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they want
> to;
> > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong, disprovable
> and
> > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that most
> > >societies have developed.
> > >
> > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> misleading
> > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we deserve what
we
> > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> > >
> > >Laurier
> > >
> > >
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<DIV>as far as i can see, laurier, david and don are right to be arcing up over this.</DIV>
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<DIV>jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, what can i say, the majority of people are way too smart to try that sort of forcasting rubbish, you are so stuck up, way too much education, the list is not boring, it's exiting and vibrant, give up your job and go veg out on a beach for a couple of years.</DIV>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
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> I am still hopeful that you will respond to my original comparisons
between
> your forecasts and what actually happened in the Sydney and Wagga areas.
> Regards
> Laurier

And I am still hopeful that you will post up some forecasts alongside mine
in future, to make for an even playing field. I have already done enough,
putting out my ideas. With respect, the only ideas you seem to have come up
with thus far have been how to even further criticise me, in every single of
your posts. You may enjoy it - I don't. There can be no end to this
bickering. Let's see those forecasts go up and THEN we can all have a meaty
discussion.
Ken


 > > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 03:45
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> >
> >
> > Jimmy
> > I have no problem responding to polite requests to explain myself, and,
> > where possible, errors I make. Where those who are doing the asking are
> > attached to the BoM or whatever, I would be interested in a
> > similar call for
> > the same response from them, where a forecast I have made tallies
> > with that
> > of the BoM. David Jones is on this list and works for the BoM, so
> > a parallel
> > call to him to explain misforecasts would be welcome.
> >
> > would-be bashers
> > We have already read a post by John Woodbridge, for which I thank him
most
> > sincerely. In case members missed it:
> > ">From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken has
> > actually
> > been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of
> > 12mm which
> > fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from that event, in
> > each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in one case just
a
> > trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods. So that makes Ken
> > right 45 days
> > out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
> > leeway.."
> > I really don't see the need to comment further, other than to say that
if
> > you think I have been inaccurate in your area then maybe you were
standing
> > in a different place to where my forecasts applied. General-area
> > approaches
> > are what most long range predictions work with, and potentials rather
than
> > actual rain. If it rains in one part of a district and not in
> > another, then
> > clearly the potential is there for that district, but the rain might not
> > have been be over every nook and cranny of that district. This is fairly
> > obvious.
> > On the subject of my call for others, especially James, Laurier,
> > Don et all
> > to also put up forecasts before they attack me for mine; in response to
> > (Laurier)> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls
> > down, do I
> > have to become a builder to prove them wrong..yes, Laurier, I'm afraid
so.
> > That's the hard part, but the responsibility that goes with mounting the
> > platform to criticise. You have to demonstrate you can at least
> > do the same
> > only better. Otherwise you could just be anybody off the street
> > and it would
> > be a waste of people's time to have to listen to you. Prove that
> > you have a
> > working knowledge of long range forecasting techniques by doing it too.
> > Otherwise leave me alone. I'm doing my best - but - just bashing - is
that
> > the best YOU can do?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:33 AM
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> >
> >
> > > Hi Laurier,
> > >
> > > Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I assume
that
> > > all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not
interested
> > in
> > > them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed so
that
> > > others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to
post
> > > their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be it for the
> > sake
> > > of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much
> > fairer base
> > > to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my opinion.
> > >
> > > Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I
would
> > > like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe your
> > > approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this
> > is what I am
> > > trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called
> > "stupid"
> > > etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to
> > > variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list can correct
me
> > > kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming
from
> > the
> > > past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.
> > >
> > > I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and logical approach
as
> > > the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though
> > please change
> > > the subject to something more pleasant.
> > >
> > > Jimmy Deguara
> > >
> > > At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > > >Jimmy wrote
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> > > > >
> > > > > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > > > > and a total
> > > > > waste of time.
> > > >
> > > >Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone on the list.
> > > >
> > > > > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > > > > Ken out
> > > >
> > > >And succeeded.
> > > >
> > > > > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
> > > >
> > > >Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal
support
> > for
> > > >them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I
> > object
> > > >to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on
try
> > and
> > > > > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather
than
> > bash
> > > > > someone else's with statistical crap.
> > > >
> > > >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do
> > I have to
> > > >become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy. And do you
> > really
> > > >believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain
> > measured
> > > >is "statistical crap"?
> > > >
> > > > > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about
the
> > > > > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
> > > >
> > > >The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of the weather,
> > which
> > > >include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one
area
> > of
> > > >weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and
> > capability to use
> > the
> > > >delete key.
> > > >
> > > > > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > > > > rather than
> > > > > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
> > > >
> > > >Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful
> > language -- "the
> > > >gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons
for
> > > >communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away
> > from anything
> > > >approaching intellectual rigour?
> > > >
> > > > > I do understand
> > > > > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> > > > > involved in
> > > > > commercial activities using this list as a hunting ground for more
> > > > > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> > > > >
> > > >I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the
> > Bureau,
> > > >so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on both sides.
I
> > > >should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from
> > meteorology
> > > >is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting as I believe
I
> > am
> > > >not qualified to do so.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters
and
> > many
> > > >others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics
> > long ago, as
> > > >did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an
accreditation
> > > >system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American
> > Meteorological
> > > >Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has
> > been talked
> > > >about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has
> > the mettle to
> > > >take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for
> > something that
> > > >would be seen as its own self-interest.
> > > >
> > > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they
want
> > to;
> > > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong,
disprovable
> > and
> > > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that
most
> > > >societies have developed.
> > > >
> > > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> > misleading
> > > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> > deserve what we
> > > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> > > >
> > > >Laurier
> > > >
> > > >
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Hi Everyone </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>What a beautiful cool day with cloudy cover and fresh south 
easterlies...&nbsp;The grass is already greening, and Victor will be venturing 
from his shed after months of inactivity...hehe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Last 3 days have brought the best rain for a 
while.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>13th min 18.5 max 31.0, 8pm ( duration around 20mins)... a 
thunderstorm with heavy rain, lots of thunder and lightning. 25.5mm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>15th min 20.5 max 29.2, 1pm - thunderstorm with heavy rain, 
really loud lightning/thunder...(deeper bass&nbsp;than my Vagas Gerwin 15inche 
speakers pumping out thunderstuck), and 37.5mm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Rainfall so far for 2002 is 588mm. </FONT></DIV>
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:rolleyes:

When is this going to end?






>From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: arguments
>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:12:35 +1030 (Cen. Australia Daylight Time)
>
>i've watched this list lately with interest, quite entertaining actually.
>
>as far as i can see, laurier, david and don are right to be arcing up over
>this.
>
>ken,as i've said about someone else on another subject, your literal
>articulation in dancing around the subject and twisting things to suit
>yourself makes even the most astute politition look like an amateur. over
>the last few weeks you have presented yourself as a sharleton, snake oil
>merchant and peddler of generalised half truths, you are no more capable of
>forcasting future weather than someone who claims they can contact the dead
>( there's idiots out there that believe that too ).
>
>jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, what can i say, the majority of people are way too
>smart to try that sort of forcasting rubbish, you are so stuck up, way too
>much education, the list is not boring, it's exiting and vibrant, give up
>your job and go veg out on a beach for a couple of years.
>
>personalities are what create ideas, they are an integral part of the
>argument. expect issues to become emotive and personal.
>
>richard


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3>Steven..</FONT><FONT 
size=3>&nbsp;please remind yourself what you said on&nbsp;the NZ Weather Forum 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is interesting reading mixed comments on BOM's 
  accuracy. I can report the NZ Meteorological Service was a joke</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 years ago, today there are very rarely wrong. 
  Yes, I am constantly impressed with their accuracy. And no doubt</FONT></DIV>
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  Its a world wide trend...forecasts are much better now than 
recent</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>history.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>What a beautiful cool day with cloudy cover and fresh south easterlies...&nbsp;The grass is already greening, and Victor will be venturing from his shed after months of inactivity...hehe</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>13th min 18.5 max 31.0, 8pm ( duration around 20mins)... a thunderstorm with heavy rain, lots of thunder and lightning. 25.5mm</FONT></DIV>
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That's because fish live in a world of tides. Prawns for example run on a
dark, no moon. I think it is natural selection, this is the safest time for
prawns to run. Over millions of generations the ones that decided to run on
full moons were picked off by predators more easilly. Fish respond to tides
in a similar way.

> Ken in this recent post and on some other posts if it was to be "true".
> People who have followed fishing and hunting with solunar tables will
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I am constantly defending the BOm at work. Once people know my 
interest in weather they always say something&nbsp; like "&nbsp; the Bureau 
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At 08:12 PM 16/11/2002 +1030, you wrote:
>jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, what can i say, the majority of people are way too 
>smart to try that sort of forcasting rubbish, you are so stuck up, way too 
>much education, the list is not boring, it's exiting and vibrant, give up 
>your job and go veg out on a beach for a couple of years.
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I thought this email list was for weather and weather opinions.......for
F%$K sake, get over it. Man some of you must not have a life or any other
problems to keep this garbage up. Ken gave an opinion, whether it is right
or wrong.....I thought that was what this was about, not bitching at
everyone. This list used to have some good content but I am gradually
growing tired of the bullshit. Grow a life some of you and get some real
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LOL this is so pathetic, you think it would get from bad to worse, just step 
back and take a look at yoursleves, in times like these you cant be friends.






>From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
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>Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:02:34 +1100
>
>At 08:12 PM 16/11/2002 +1030, you wrote:
>>jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, what can i say, the majority of people are way too 
>>smart to try that sort of forcasting rubbish, you are so stuck up, way too 
>>much education, the list is not boring, it's exiting and vibrant, give up 
>>your job and go veg out on a beach for a couple of years.
>>
>
>Sorry Richard, I quite often find it difficult understanding what you say 
>normally but this time you have really lost me? Can you explain further?
>
>Jimmy Deguara
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From: "Jason Beer" <jasonbeer at minmail.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: Forcasts + argumants
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<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi 
all, I am no forcaster or scientist, just someone who enjoys the various things 
of excitment, extremes, amazment and beauty it provides.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have 
no objection to Ken posting his forecasts. He states the parameters his 
forecasts should be assessed in.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>However, I do feel he ducks and weaves like a politician when he is 
confronted with people cross checking his claims. I do not beleive people had 
any other agenda than finding if what he claimed was as accurate as he did. eg. 
cyclone formation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ken 
does not acknowledge that his claims are not as correct as he&nbsp;states when 
confronted with information provided by people researching within their stated 
parameters. Nor do people have to give forcasts just because they point out 
inconsistancies in his forecasts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I also 
feel some people are trying to just shoot him down because he is using what some 
people consider "fairyland methods". Which is not helpful either. It appears on 
face value that he does have some wins.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Let 
Ken continue to post his forecasts within his stated parameters, lets assess 
them on those parameters. Let Ken also acknowledge when it is pointed out that 
he has been proved not as correct as he firmly states he is. 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This, 
if not turning into a slanging match, IS enjoyable and 
interesting.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In 
fact if people on this list with their own scientific methods or otherwise work 
together, who knows a hybrid accurate formular may be 
determined???</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>On 
crictism of the BOM for their forcasts I have thought for years that when a 4 
day forecast is given that the 4th day as it becomes the 3rd and 2nd day 
changes. From a purely unscientific perspective the original 4th day prediction 
was correct by the time it came around. Despite the changes in between. Based on 
Melbourne.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>eg.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>1.&nbsp;Saturday(Today) 20&nbsp;fine, Sunday 30 sunny, Monday 25 sunny, 
Tuesday 20 overcast(lets follow this day).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>2. 
Sunday&nbsp;24 sunny, Monday&nbsp;30 sunny, Tuesday&nbsp;25 showers(changed). 
Wednesday(not relevant in this example now)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>3. 
Monday&nbsp;28 showers, Tuesday&nbsp;32 sunny(changed). Wednesday(not relevant 
in this example now), Thursday(not relevant in this example now), 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>4. 
Tuesday 20&nbsp;overcast(see original 4 day forecast!), rest of the days not 
relevant.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Before 
anyone jumps down my throat; I am not a scientist nor&nbsp;I am not a 
forecaster. I am someone interested in weather phenomenom and add only personal 
observations to this list, backed up by nothing more than memory and 25 + years 
of experiencing Melbourne wether primarily and much of Australias weather in 
close quarters.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are we 
as humans so arrogant to think we can measure every possible wave or radiation 
etc that may exist in this planet and universe that may be effecting our planets 
weather? If we cannot measure it and do not know it exists how can we allow for 
it to make our forecasts?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>As a 
gut feeling, I am sure the moon, sun, internal Earth forces&nbsp;and other 
planets do play a part in our weather. To what degree, I do not 
know.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Make a 
point, explain the parameters you base it on. Challenge it based on stated 
parameters giving a wrong, right or OK assessment. Then accept the facts 
presented and do not personally go after one another.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Cloudy 
and 6 plus in Stockholm. Snow all melted.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I 
predict Christmas day in Melbourne will be windy(northerly) 38 and sunny with a 
change coming through about 7pm after clouding over about 5.30pm bringing 
massive hail and heavy rain storms and wind. SES get ready. Notice, I do not put 
a year on it!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=010305811-16112002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: arguments
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Jimmy stuck up? LOL.... have another pill Richard.

Jimmy is the most down to earth bloke I have met. Also, I would hazard a
guess that he knows...hmmm...100000% more about weather then you. So on
balance he has a little more credibility.

So how about freedom of opinion and expression reign again - let Don and
Laurier and David do it there way, and Ken do it his. But at least someone
get it right!!!!



> >From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: arguments
> >Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 23:02:34 +1100
> >
> >At 08:12 PM 16/11/2002 +1030, you wrote:
> >>jimmy, jimmy, jimmy, what can i say, the majority of people are way too
> >>smart to try that sort of forcasting rubbish, you are so stuck up, way
too
> >>much education, the list is not boring, it's exiting and vibrant, give
up
> >>your job and go veg out on a beach for a couple of years.
> >>
> >
> >Sorry Richard, I quite often find it difficult understanding what you say
> >normally but this time you have really lost me? Can you explain further?
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
> >
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Please define..
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:10:41 -0000
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The words are as defined in any english dictionary and in the context of
previous correspondence.

Laurier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 09:26
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Please define..
>
>
> >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> misleading
> > conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > vigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> deserve what we
> > get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> Laurier, well said in the latter part; something I also uphold. But I'm
> worried about this notion of yours of "misleading conduct". Can you define
> that, please? Getting forecasts wrong? Blimey, then every forecasting
> agency, especially the BoM will be had up. Having different theories? Then
> you forbid new research..Something disprovable? Then that includes all
> meterological projections by anyone, which are correlational rather than
> causal.  "rules of fairness' ..? We don't have an exact science.
> Possibly the only fairness would be that anyone who calls another stupid,
> or ignorant etc should be barred from the discussion, because the ideas
> should be what are under focus, not the personalities.
> Would you care to comment on this?
> Ken
>
>
> > > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any
> ideas they want
> > to;
> > > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong,
> disprovable
> > and
> > > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness
> that most
> > > >societies have developed.
> > > >
> > > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> > misleading
> > > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> deserve what
> we
> > > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> > > >
> > > >Laurier
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
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Ken, this is prevarication. You have had an opportunity to support your
position and refused it. Those that have eyes to see and minds to reason
will have drawn their own conclusions.

Until you address my original post rather than answering question with
question, there is no point in continuing this conversation.

Laurier



> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 09:44
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
>
>
>
> > I am still hopeful that you will respond to my original comparisons
> between
> > your forecasts and what actually happened in the Sydney and Wagga areas.
> > Regards
> > Laurier
>
> And I am still hopeful that you will post up some forecasts alongside mine
> in future, to make for an even playing field. I have already done enough,
> putting out my ideas. With respect, the only ideas you seem to
> have come up
> with thus far have been how to even further criticise me, in
> every single of
> your posts. You may enjoy it - I don't. There can be no end to this
> bickering. Let's see those forecasts go up and THEN we can all
> have a meaty
> discussion.
> Ken
>
>
>  > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > > Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 03:45
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > > I have no problem responding to polite requests to explain
> myself, and,
> > > where possible, errors I make. Where those who are doing the
> asking are
> > > attached to the BoM or whatever, I would be interested in a
> > > similar call for
> > > the same response from them, where a forecast I have made tallies
> > > with that
> > > of the BoM. David Jones is on this list and works for the BoM, so
> > > a parallel
> > > call to him to explain misforecasts would be welcome.
> > >
> > > would-be bashers
> > > We have already read a post by John Woodbridge, for which I thank him
> most
> > > sincerely. In case members missed it:
> > > ">From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken has
> > > actually
> > > been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of
> > > 12mm which
> > > fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from
> that event, in
> > > each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in
> one case just
> a
> > > trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods. So that makes Ken
> > > right 45 days
> > > out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
> > > leeway.."
> > > I really don't see the need to comment further, other than to say that
> if
> > > you think I have been inaccurate in your area then maybe you were
> standing
> > > in a different place to where my forecasts applied. General-area
> > > approaches
> > > are what most long range predictions work with, and potentials rather
> than
> > > actual rain. If it rains in one part of a district and not in
> > > another, then
> > > clearly the potential is there for that district, but the
> rain might not
> > > have been be over every nook and cranny of that district.
> This is fairly
> > > obvious.
> > > On the subject of my call for others, especially James, Laurier,
> > > Don et all
> > > to also put up forecasts before they attack me for mine; in
> response to
> > > (Laurier)> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls
> > > down, do I
> > > have to become a builder to prove them wrong..yes, Laurier, I'm afraid
> so.
> > > That's the hard part, but the responsibility that goes with
> mounting the
> > > platform to criticise. You have to demonstrate you can at least
> > > do the same
> > > only better. Otherwise you could just be anybody off the street
> > > and it would
> > > be a waste of people's time to have to listen to you. Prove that
> > > you have a
> > > working knowledge of long range forecasting techniques by
> doing it too.
> > > Otherwise leave me alone. I'm doing my best - but - just bashing - is
> that
> > > the best YOU can do?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:33 AM
> > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Laurier,
> > > >
> > > > Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I assume
> that
> > > > all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not
> interested
> > > in
> > > > them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed so
> that
> > > > others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to
> post
> > > > their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be
> it for the
> > > sake
> > > > of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much
> > > fairer base
> > > > to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my opinion.
> > > >
> > > > Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I
> would
> > > > like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe your
> > > > approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this
> > > is what I am
> > > > trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called
> > > "stupid"
> > > > etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to
> > > > variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list
> can correct
> me
> > > > kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming
> from
> > > the
> > > > past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.
> > > >
> > > > I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and
> logical approach
> as
> > > > the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though
> > > please change
> > > > the subject to something more pleasant.
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy Deguara
> > > >
> > > > At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > >Jimmy wrote
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > > > > > and a total
> > > > > > waste of time.
> > > > >
> > > > >Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone
> on the list.
> > > > >
> > > > > > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > > > > > Ken out
> > > > >
> > > > >And succeeded.
> > > > >
> > > > > > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal
> support
> > > for
> > > > >them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And I
> > > object
> > > > >to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so on
> try
> > > and
> > > > > > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather
> than
> > > bash
> > > > > > someone else's with statistical crap.
> > > > >
> > > > >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do
> > > I have to
> > > > >become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy.
> And do you
> > > really
> > > > >believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual rain
> > > measured
> > > > >is "statistical crap"?
> > > > >
> > > > > > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking about
> the
> > > > > > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
> > > > >
> > > > >The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of
> the weather,
> > > which
> > > > >include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in one
> area
> > > of
> > > > >weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and
> > > capability to use
> > > the
> > > > >delete key.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > > > > > rather than
> > > > > > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > >Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful
> > > language -- "the
> > > > >gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary reasons
> for
> > > > >communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away
> > > from anything
> > > > >approaching intellectual rigour?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do understand
> > > > > > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by those
> > > > > > involved in
> > > > > > commercial activities using this list as a hunting
> ground for more
> > > > > > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> > > > > >
> > > > >I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and the
> > > Bureau,
> > > > >so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on
> both sides.
> I
> > > > >should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from
> > > meteorology
> > > > >is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting
> as I believe
> I
> > > am
> > > > >not qualified to do so.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders, broadcasters
> and
> > > many
> > > > >others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics
> > > long ago, as
> > > > >did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an
> accreditation
> > > > >system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American
> > > Meteorological
> > > > >Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has
> > > been talked
> > > > >about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has
> > > the mettle to
> > > > >take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for
> > > something that
> > > > >would be seen as its own self-interest.
> > > > >
> > > > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas they
> want
> > > to;
> > > > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong,
> disprovable
> > > and
> > > > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that
> most
> > > > >societies have developed.
> > > > >
> > > > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> > > misleading
> > > > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty, intellectually
> > > > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> > > deserve what we
> > > > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a debate.
> > > > >
> > > > >Laurier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 00:26:22 +1100
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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GASP is hinting at the inland NSW/QLD trough reforming after the next
change comes through the eastern states mid week... looks like it could
be a good start for TDU'ers leaving late next week for a week or 2
chasing!
Best of luck to those heading out next week, Jane, Anthony, James
Chambers, Clyve, Robert, Dave Ellem.
Hope you get some big ones!!!

For those that are a bit tired of the Ken emails... there is always the
delete key, no need to get pee'd off and post to the list telling
everyone.

Matt Smith
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
(chasing for 2 weeks from Dec 11 with James Harris and Daniel
Weatherhead)

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Forecast verification
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:34:46 -0000
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Paul wrote:

> So how about freedom of opinion and expression reign again - let Don and
> Laurier and David do it there way, and Ken do it his. But at least someone
> get it right!!!!

Spot on, Paul, and I think the list is showing admirable freedom of opinion
even if things get a bit heated at times. As to "someone get it
right!!!!" -- oh, I wish, I wish. We all know that that will probably never
happen, but an openness in discussing successes and failures has to lead in
the right direction.

Jason raised a point dear to my heart with the accuracy of four-day
forecasts. He gave this classic sequence for Melbourne:

1. Saturday(Today) 20 fine, Sunday 30 sunny, Monday 25 sunny, Tuesday 20
overcast(lets follow this day).
2. Sunday 24 sunny, Monday 30 sunny, Tuesday 25 showers(changed).
Wednesday(not relevant in this example now)
3. Monday 28 showers, Tuesday 32 sunny(changed). Wednesday(not relevant in
this example now), Thursday(not relevant in this example now),
4. Tuesday 20 overcast(see original 4 day forecast!), rest of the days not
relevant.

So Tuesday's forecast progressively changed from overcast (20) to showers
(25), to sunny (32) to overcast (20) as the days clicked over. Wow! This one
would give Ken a field day <g>.

Seriously, why doesn't anyone, the Bureau included, conduct forecast
verification on the plain language components of forecasts. I know it is
statistically easier to verify maximum temperatures, or a grid of rainfall
amount forecasts, but the forecast that the public reads or hears is made up
of descriptive elements, each of which, with care, can be compared to a
statement, in the same terms, of what actually happened. Words like
"overcast", "showers" and "sunny" have a clearly defined meaning in
forecasts (see the BoM glossary), so must have an equally clear meaning if
used to describe a day's weather after the event. Are there any statistics
wizzards out there that can tell me why performing forecast verification on
these, the most important elements in public forecasts, are not being done?

On a related issue, the semantics of weather forecasts seems to me to be a
little studied area though it should be of immense significance. What does a
(statistically reliable) cross-section of the community understand from
various forecast elements, and how closely does this match what the
forecaster intended. It's an axiom of communication theory that the receiver
NEVER fully comprehends the intention of the sender, but to what extent is
this a barrier in the daily weather forecast.

Laurier


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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: So how about the weather?
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:40:20 -0000
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And what is great to see, Matt, is the steady buildup of moisture in the
eastern states. If the past few days are anything to go by, the TDU crew
could have a good time in N NSW and S Qld, possibly even in Thargomindah.
I'm off to Victoria for two weeks holiday, and things are even looking a bit
interesting there!

Laurier


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> Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 13:26
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: So how about the weather?
>
>
>
> GASP is hinting at the inland NSW/QLD trough reforming after the next
> change comes through the eastern states mid week... looks like it could
> be a good start for TDU'ers leaving late next week for a week or 2
> chasing!
> Best of luck to those heading out next week, Jane, Anthony, James
> Chambers, Clyve, Robert, Dave Ellem.
> Hope you get some big ones!!!
>
> For those that are a bit tired of the Ken emails... there is always the
> delete key, no need to get pee'd off and post to the list telling
> everyone.
>
> Matt Smith
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> (chasing for 2 weeks from Dec 11 with James Harris and Daniel
> Weatherhead)
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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I think this has gone far enough.
It is time to agree to disagree.  Everyone now knows what everyone else
thinks.
Further argument will not be productive.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would take a case (or 3), a fold up chair and a 
big metal cricket bat. then i would&nbsp;sit in the middle of the pitch drinking 
the beer, and watching the Cg's hit the stragically placed metal bat, not more 
that 100m away from me...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>on a serious note, Don't know...haven't looked at 
what this next system is doing yet...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------<BR>Simon 
Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A><BR>---------------------------------------------<BR>Proud 
member of the<BR>Australian Severe Weather Association.<BR><A 
href="http://www.severeweather.asn.au">www.severeweather.asn.au</A><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:james at trapdoor.com.au" title=james at trapdoor.com.au>James 
  Holbeach</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 17, 2002 1:26 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Need a forecast.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=Section1>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Now tomorrow is the first 
  inter-pub cricket match between my local and a neighbouring pub. I know 
  tomorrow in </SPAN></FONT><st1:City><st1:place><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Melbourne</SPAN></FONT></st1:place></st1:City><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> is going 
  to be about 33C with a late change. Now if the change comes through during the 
  cricket &#8220;match&#8221; (i.e. rain) the winner will be the first team who is able to 
  stumble back to the pub. . . .<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">What I want to know, is do I carry 
  an extra six pack to the game- or will it just be additional weight while I&#8217;m 
  trying to run back to the pub?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Any more accurate info regarding 
  time, would be greatly appreciated as long as the source of that info does not 
  involve lunar phase or sunspot activity </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial; mso-char-type: symbol; mso-symbol-font-family: Wingdings"><SPAN 
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">James 
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">James 
  Holbeach</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">--------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><SPAN 
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  Hotham</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">, 
  </SPAN></FONT><st1:country-region><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Australia</SPAN></FONT></st1:country-region></st1:place><SPAN 
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-no-proof: yes"><A 
  href="http://www.trapdoor.com.au/">http://www.trapdoor.com.au</A></SPAN></FONT><SPAN 
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: The lunar theory...
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 01:11:26 +1000
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>snip
...I am quite happy for Ken to make assessments.... what I find
objectionable is his inability to accept that his statements are
constantly proven to have an accuracy less than chance...

Interesting point in this... If Ken's methods based upon lunar theory were
completely baseless then you would expect his forecasts to be no better than
chance.  Conversely, you would expect his forecasts to be no worse than
chance.

So, if his methods are yielding a forecast for a region which is
'constantly' less accurate than chance, then an effect has been shown albeit
the inverse of what was intended, and therefore some credence to the theory
must be given.

John.

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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecast accuracy
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 07:49:26 +1300
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But Ken, You hav'nt included all those post inwhich 
i have praised the Met Service. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can I say say ken, you are your own worst enemy. 
Considering you have&nbsp;a public profile in NZ atleast you</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>need to do a crash course in public 
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=ken at weatherman.co.nz href="mailto:ken at weatherman.co.nz">Ken Ring</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:45 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Forecast 
  accuracy</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3>Steven..</FONT><FONT 
  size=3>&nbsp;please remind yourself what you said on&nbsp;the NZ Weather Forum 
  for 3/11/02 and 31/10/02 as below. Some contributors doubted the accuracy 
  of&nbsp;the metservice, and you seemed to put up posts that agreed with their 
  doubts. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><A 
  href="http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1357.html">http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1357.html</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
  href="http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1389.html">http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1389.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
    Williams</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:34 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Forecast 
accuracy</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is interesting reading mixed comments on 
    BOM's accuracy. I can report the NZ Meteorological Service was a 
    joke</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 years ago, today there are very rarely 
    wrong. Yes, I am constantly impressed with their accuracy. And no 
    doubt</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BOM have gone through a similar transformation. 
    Its a world wide trend...forecasts are much better now than 
    recent</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>history.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W 
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: snowing to 500m 
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:03:25 +1300
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Snow falling to about the 500m over the SI this 
morning.&nbsp; Christchurch airport reports temp of 3.8C this 
morning</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>with continuous rain.&nbsp; Thats quite wintry for 
November. On Friday Ch airport recorded 25C.&nbsp; This weather is so El 
nino.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The big high that has been dominating the weather 
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
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Laurier, I agree. I have no wish to further define or defend. My only wish
is to compare forecasts. So put them up and I will too. Otherwise I don't
want to take part in any more discussions. Nothing personal, but your
constant calling for me to satisfy your own narrow asessment parameters is
only wasting everyone's time. I've stated where I'm coming from -  that's
it. Move on, now. Put up the forecasts. Let's take Tazzie. Nice big high
coming there, will last till a front moves through on 22nd which won't
finally leave till 28th. What d'you reckon?
Ken
www.predictweather.com



----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 2:11 AM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather


> Ken, this is prevarication. You have had an opportunity to support your
> position and refused it. Those that have eyes to see and minds to reason
> will have drawn their own conclusions.
>
> Until you address my original post rather than answering question with
> question, there is no point in continuing this conversation.
>
> Laurier
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 09:44
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> >
> >
> >
> > > I am still hopeful that you will respond to my original comparisons
> > between
> > > your forecasts and what actually happened in the Sydney and Wagga
areas.
> > > Regards
> > > Laurier
> >
> > And I am still hopeful that you will post up some forecasts alongside
mine
> > in future, to make for an even playing field. I have already done
enough,
> > putting out my ideas. With respect, the only ideas you seem to
> > have come up
> > with thus far have been how to even further criticise me, in
> > every single of
> > your posts. You may enjoy it - I don't. There can be no end to this
> > bickering. Let's see those forecasts go up and THEN we can all
> > have a meaty
> > discussion.
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >  > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 16 November, 2002 03:45
> > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jimmy
> > > > I have no problem responding to polite requests to explain
> > myself, and,
> > > > where possible, errors I make. Where those who are doing the
> > asking are
> > > > attached to the BoM or whatever, I would be interested in a
> > > > similar call for
> > > > the same response from them, where a forecast I have made tallies
> > > > with that
> > > > of the BoM. David Jones is on this list and works for the BoM, so
> > > > a parallel
> > > > call to him to explain misforecasts would be welcome.
> > > >
> > > > would-be bashers
> > > > We have already read a post by John Woodbridge, for which I thank
him
> > most
> > > > sincerely. In case members missed it:
> > > > ">From my obs at Mt. Crosby cf to Ken's website for Brisbane, Ken
has
> > > > actually
> > > > been just about spot on since Oct 1st, except for the instance of
> > > > 12mm which
> > > > fell two days ago in a forecast 'dry' period.  Apart from
> > that event, in
> > > > each of his few forecast wet periods, we received some (in
> > one case just
> > a
> > > > trace) rain, and nothing in the dry periods. So that makes Ken
> > > > right 45 days
> > > > out of 46 and mostly not needing his "1 day"
> > > > leeway.."
> > > > I really don't see the need to comment further, other than to say
that
> > if
> > > > you think I have been inaccurate in your area then maybe you were
> > standing
> > > > in a different place to where my forecasts applied. General-area
> > > > approaches
> > > > are what most long range predictions work with, and potentials
rather
> > than
> > > > actual rain. If it rains in one part of a district and not in
> > > > another, then
> > > > clearly the potential is there for that district, but the
> > rain might not
> > > > have been be over every nook and cranny of that district.
> > This is fairly
> > > > obvious.
> > > > On the subject of my call for others, especially James, Laurier,
> > > > Don et all
> > > > to also put up forecasts before they attack me for mine; in
> > response to
> > > > (Laurier)> >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls
> > > > down, do I
> > > > have to become a builder to prove them wrong..yes, Laurier, I'm
afraid
> > so.
> > > > That's the hard part, but the responsibility that goes with
> > mounting the
> > > > platform to criticise. You have to demonstrate you can at least
> > > > do the same
> > > > only better. Otherwise you could just be anybody off the street
> > > > and it would
> > > > be a waste of people's time to have to listen to you. Prove that
> > > > you have a
> > > > working knowledge of long range forecasting techniques by
> > doing it too.
> > > > Otherwise leave me alone. I'm doing my best - but - just bashing -
is
> > that
> > > > the best YOU can do?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:33 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Ken Bashing - get back to the weather
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Laurier,
> > > > >
> > > > > Interesting you didn't approach my whole e-mail - well can I
assume
> > that
> > > > > all other aspects of my e-mail you agree with or were you not
> > interested
> > > > in
> > > > > them? One important point you missed that I would like addressed
so
> > that
> > > > > others can also get involved is to ask those with any criticism to
> > post
> > > > > their forecasts or perhaps one that they support more so be
> > it for the
> > > > sake
> > > > > of science or whatever. Then we ALL can have access to a much
> > > > fairer base
> > > > > to measure with. It will also become more interesting in my
opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than approaching your comments Laurier each at one time, I
> > would
> > > > > like to generalise the theme of the whole e-mail. I do believe
your
> > > > > approach to debate is far healthier than some others and this
> > > > is what I am
> > > > > trying to address - I despise the comments where people are called
> > > > "stupid"
> > > > > etc. I am also against lengthy posts and usually look forward to
> > > > > variability of the subjects. I suppose others on the list
> > can correct
> > me
> > > > > kindly on such a note. I stand corrected if I am wrong in assuming
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > past that lengthy subjects lost a lot of its flavour.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also agree that Ken must reply to your genuine and
> > logical approach
> > as
> > > > > the criticism is genuine and fair as well as polite. Though
> > > > please change
> > > > > the subject to something more pleasant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jimmy Deguara
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:39 PM 15/11/2002 +0000, you wrote:
> > > > > >Jimmy wrote
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Don, Laurier, David etc,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This, and related threads have become rather boring, excessive
> > > > > > > and a total
> > > > > > > waste of time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Your opinion, Jimmy, but patently not shared by everyone
> > on the list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You guys have tried time and time again to catch
> > > > > > > Ken out
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And succeeded.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you want to hammer anyone do it personally please.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Ken's forecasts are in the public domain, as has been his vocal
> > support
> > > > for
> > > > > >them. so why should any criticism of them have to be private? And
I
> > > > object
> > > > > >to genuine criticism being characterised as "hammering".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about David Jones, Don White and Laurier Williams and so
on
> > try
> > > > and
> > > > > > > state their forecasts for similar periods that Ken does rather
> > than
> > > > bash
> > > > > > > someone else's with statistical crap.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If a builder puts up a shoddy house that partly falls down, do
> > > > I have to
> > > > > >become a builder to prove them wrong. False logic, Jimmy.
> > And do you
> > > > really
> > > > > >believe that verifying forecast rain by comparing it to actual
rain
> > > > measured
> > > > > >is "statistical crap"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's get back to what this list was designed for speaking
about
> > the
> > > > > > > weather and so on - variation is a key to success.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The list was designed for speaking about all aspects of
> > the weather,
> > > > which
> > > > > >include forecast verification. If your interests lie solely in
one
> > area
> > > > of
> > > > > >weather, such as thunderstorms, you have the right and
> > > > capability to use
> > > > the
> > > > > >delete key.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would rather see this methodology being used for predictions
> > > > > > > rather than
> > > > > > > the gang-up approach. Let people decide for themselves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Again, why characterise genuine criticism with colourful
> > > > language -- "the
> > > > > >gang-up approach." Isn't healthy debate one of the primary
reasons
> > for
> > > > > >communication devices like this list? Or should we shy away
> > > > from anything
> > > > > >approaching intellectual rigour?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do understand
> > > > > > > that there may be a conflict of interest involved here by
those
> > > > > > > involved in
> > > > > > > commercial activities using this list as a hunting
> > ground for more
> > > > > > > business... Let's keep that component out of the picture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >I agree, but this applies equally to Ken as it does to Don and
the
> > > > Bureau,
> > > > > >so presumably your criticism is directed even-handedly on
> > both sides.
> > I
> > > > > >should put on the record that my only "commercial" return from
> > > > meteorology
> > > > > >is in the supply of data; I do no commercial forecasting
> > as I believe
> > I
> > > > am
> > > > > >not qualified to do so.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Jimmy and list: medics, lawyers, architects, builders,
broadcasters
> > and
> > > > many
> > > > > >others areas in society cleaned up their professional ethics
> > > > long ago, as
> > > > > >did the meteorologists in the US when they brought in an
> > accreditation
> > > > > >system for forecasters initiated, I think, by the American
> > > > Meteorological
> > > > > >Association. In Australia, accreditation for forecasters has
> > > > been talked
> > > > > >about from time to time, but I don't think the industry has
> > > > the mettle to
> > > > > >take it on, and the Bureau has been reluctant to press for
> > > > something that
> > > > > >would be seen as its own self-interest.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I have no problem with people holding and espousing any ideas
they
> > want
> > > > to;
> > > > > >but when they charge for something that is patently wrong,
> > disprovable
> > > > and
> > > > > >misleading it goes against the fundamental rules of fairness that
> > most
> > > > > >societies have developed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >If a society isn't prepared to self-regulate or legislate against
> > > > misleading
> > > > > >conduct like this, the only alternative is a healty,
intellectually
> > > > > >rigourous debate. If we shy away even from the debate, we
> > > > deserve what we
> > > > > >get. This list is a perfectly suitable location for such a
debate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Laurier
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The lunar theory...
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That's exactly why I don't try to debate this. The whole RNG thread a while
back was like the police holding their own inquiries into corruption
charges.

----- Original Message -----
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> >snip
> ...I am quite happy for Ken to make assessments.... what I find
> objectionable is his inability to accept that his statements are
> constantly proven to have an accuracy less than chance...
>
> Interesting point in this... If Ken's methods based upon lunar theory were
> completely baseless then you would expect his forecasts to be no better
than
> chance.  Conversely, you would expect his forecasts to be no worse than
> chance.
>
> So, if his methods are yielding a forecast for a region which is
> 'constantly' less accurate than chance, then an effect has been shown
albeit
> the inverse of what was intended, and therefore some credence to the
theory
> must be given.
>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: snowing to 500m 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt; (Steven wrote)This weather is so El nino. 
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>The big high that has been dominating the weather 
of south Australia has been directing cold snaps up onto NZ.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hmm..a&nbsp;while back there were claims that the 
high over Australia was causing a high here! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it's more likely that the cold snaps here 
have been because the moon turned from its southerly declination on the 9th and 
is presently dragging polar air northwards. It happens every November, when the 
new Moon coincides with the southern declination and the air tide is bigger than 
normal, especially as lunar perigee occurred as well just a day before. You'll 
find unseasonal frosts at this time have destroyed grape crops in the Hawkes Bay 
for the last few years. If not a frost then much rain. This last lot of rain 
both here and in the SE of&nbsp;Australia is in my opinion due to that. Last 
year the SD was on Nov.19th. Strong winds and heavy rain lashed NSW and Premier 
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecast accuracy
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No, but that wasn't under discussion. I was merely 
pointing out that your past comments have been mixed, in response to your 
current claim that the metservice is "rarely wrong". Your words, not mine. There 
have been times when I, too, have praised them. But already others have said 
that it depends who's on duty as to how accurate they seem to get. </FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
  Williams</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:49 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Forecast 
  accuracy</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But Ken, You hav'nt included all those post 
  inwhich i have praised the Met Service. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can I say say ken, you are your own worst enemy. 
  Considering you have&nbsp;a public profile in NZ atleast you</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>need to do a crash course in public 
  relations...badly. </FONT></DIV>
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    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=ken at weatherman.co.nz href="mailto:ken at weatherman.co.nz">Ken 
    Ring</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:45 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Forecast 
    accuracy</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3>Steven..</FONT><FONT 
    size=3>&nbsp;please remind yourself what you said on&nbsp;the NZ Weather 
    Forum for 3/11/02 and 31/10/02 as below. Some contributors doubted the 
    accuracy of&nbsp;the metservice, and you seemed to put up posts that agreed 
    with their doubts. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><A 
    href="http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1357.html">http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1357.html</A></FONT></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
    href="http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1389.html">http://tokaanuskihire.co.nz/forums/NZ_Weather/posts/1389.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
      Williams</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
      title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
      href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 
      8:34 PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Forecast 
      accuracy</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is interesting reading mixed comments on 
      BOM's accuracy. I can report the NZ Meteorological Service was a 
      joke</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>15 years ago, today there are very rarely 
      wrong. Yes, I am constantly impressed with their accuracy. And no 
      doubt</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BOM have gone through a similar 
      transformation. Its a world wide trend...forecasts are much better now 
      than recent</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>history.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W 
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WAZ UP IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can you explain to me what rain is 
:-))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Next time it rains my kids will start crying 
because they wont know what it is...</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au 
  href="mailto:sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au">macdonald</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:14 
  PM</DIV>
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  WOODS </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>Hi Everyone </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>What a beautiful cool day with cloudy cover and fresh south 
  easterlies...&nbsp;The grass is already greening, and Victor will be venturing 
  from his shed after months of inactivity...hehe</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>Last 3 days have brought the best rain for a 
  while.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>13th min 18.5 max 31.0, 8pm ( duration around 20mins)... a 
  thunderstorm with heavy rain, lots of thunder and lightning. 
  25.5mm</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>15th min 20.5 max 29.2, 1pm - thunderstorm with heavy rain, 
  really loud lightning/thunder...(deeper bass&nbsp;than my Vagas Gerwin 15inche 
  speakers pumping out thunderstuck), and 37.5mm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>Rainfall so far for 2002 is 588mm. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3>cheers</FONT></DIV>
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From: "macdonald" <sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au>
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<DIV>Hey Bussy,</DIV>
<DIV>It must be so dry down your way in n/e Victoria. Bathurst looks really dry 
and brown... still 588mm is very very low for here. Your poor kids are gonna get 
a terrible shock when they see water falling from the sky.. hehehe....just tell 
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 09:14:44 +1100
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi all.
Som,eone mentioned the need to look into what "Joe public" underrstands 
about weather forecasts and the ned to communicate.
This need varies, depending on who you are communicating with.
Consider terms such as fine,dry, mostly sunny, partly cloudy, partly
sunny, a shower or two, a few showers, occasional showers, ioslated
showers, scattered showers, rain at times, rain periods.....the list
goes on. All are unse by the BOM at various times. To the wetaher
professional, all have slightly different means and a good forecast will
pich the most appropriate.
Then we have tempertaure words - cold, cool mild warm, very warm, hot,
very hot - obviously in public weather forecasts these are issued in
terms of the average. What might be warm in Winter could be cool in
summer etc.
Then there's worlds like chance and risk when referring to summer storm
and so on.

From my experience, the public latches onto a word.
 A forecast such as "Tomorrow will be mainly fine and very warm with the
chance of an afternoon thunderstorm" is interpreted by the public as
it's gonig to rain tomorrow. 
Any mention of a precipitation word is often translated like this.

I prepare foerecats for a range of business - ranging from rural,to
building industry to film and advertising - who all have their specific
needs which are different to those of the general public and
consequently world of assessment are different.
The use of probability forecasts allows them to use the additional
information provided to make professional judgements in their own areas
of expertise. 

Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
meant. It is our job to educate and communicate.

Don White
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions
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> Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> meant. It is our job to educate and communicate

What a load of crap!
So what your saying is that just because I like to read this list then I'm
not a "joe public" anymore?
I'm not a "weather officiendo" or connected to the BoM in anyway. I have
enough on my plate just to understand a fraction of the things you guys get
talking about on this list but one thing I do know & what most members of
the "joe public" brigade know also - there is NO such thing as a "mini
tornado" & everybody get a bit of a laugh out of it. Just the other week
here in Adelaide the local paper, "The Advertiser", had a weather forecast
saying the we could expect "thunder showers" - what the???
You say it's your job to "educate and communicate" - well do that. But stop
using make believe terms or the next event maybe blamed on the Toothfairy or
Easterbunny. :P

"joe public" is not a dumb as you think Don.

ahh... now I feel better...   lol

Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)
http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer


----- Original Message -----
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To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:44 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions


> Hi all.
> Som,eone mentioned the need to look into what "Joe public" underrstands
> about weather forecasts and the ned to communicate.
> This need varies, depending on who you are communicating with.
> Consider terms such as fine,dry, mostly sunny, partly cloudy, partly
> sunny, a shower or two, a few showers, occasional showers, ioslated
> showers, scattered showers, rain at times, rain periods.....the list
> goes on. All are unse by the BOM at various times. To the wetaher
> professional, all have slightly different means and a good forecast will
> pich the most appropriate.
> Then we have tempertaure words - cold, cool mild warm, very warm, hot,
> very hot - obviously in public weather forecasts these are issued in
> terms of the average. What might be warm in Winter could be cool in
> summer etc.
> Then there's worlds like chance and risk when referring to summer storm
> and so on.
>
> From my experience, the public latches onto a word.
>  A forecast such as "Tomorrow will be mainly fine and very warm with the
> chance of an afternoon thunderstorm" is interpreted by the public as
> it's gonig to rain tomorrow.
> Any mention of a precipitation word is often translated like this.
>
> I prepare foerecats for a range of business - ranging from rural,to
> building industry to film and advertising - who all have their specific
> needs which are different to those of the general public and
> consequently world of assessment are different.
> The use of probability forecasts allows them to use the additional
> information provided to make professional judgements in their own areas
> of expertise.
>
> Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> meant. It is our job to educate and communicate.
>
> Don White
> excuse typos - rushed this.
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
To: "aussie-weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Probably obvious
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Probably pretty obvious but how do they work out 
the UV index?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today being cloudy got me wondering as of course 
you can still get badly burnt on a cloudy day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can I work it out from here?</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: WAZ UP IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS 
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:10:21 +1100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Average about 640mm per year. Currently "stuck" on 
300.2mm. Maybe we'll get the other 340mm next month :-))</FONT></DIV>
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  href="mailto:sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au">macdonald</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV>Hey Bussy,</DIV>
  <DIV>It must be so dry down your way in n/e Victoria. Bathurst looks really 
  dry and brown... still 588mm is very very low for here. Your poor kids are 
  gonna get a terrible shock when they see water falling from the sky.. 
  hehehe....just tell them someone in heaven is crying.. :))</DIV>
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: So how about the weather?
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Yes, I wish I could join the chase, but alas young children and chasing away
from home do not mix ( unless you want a divorce ). I may be able to get
away for a weekend.

I have limited Internet access at work,  the BOM site only, so any chasers
that need a radar fix can ring between 9am and 5pm
on 02 4252 6135.

Thanks
Michael

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: So how about the weather?


>
> GASP is hinting at the inland NSW/QLD trough reforming after the next
> change comes through the eastern states mid week... looks like it could
> be a good start for TDU'ers leaving late next week for a week or 2
> chasing!
> Best of luck to those heading out next week, Jane, Anthony, James
> Chambers, Clyve, Robert, Dave Ellem.
> Hope you get some big ones!!!
>
> For those that are a bit tired of the Ken emails... there is always the
> delete key, no need to get pee'd off and post to the list telling
> everyone.
>
> Matt Smith
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> (chasing for 2 weeks from Dec 11 with James Harris and Daniel
> Weatherhead)
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions
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Paul
I think what takes the cake for me is "negative storm surges" which are
supposed to explain why the tide is sometimes lower than normal (post of
13/11/02). Last June we had a "rain bomb". Seems like there's some guy in a
metoffice dreaming up new words to educate everybody with.
Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions


> > Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> > officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> > meant. It is our job to educate and communicate
>
> What a load of crap!
> So what your saying is that just because I like to read this list then I'm
> not a "joe public" anymore?
> I'm not a "weather officiendo" or connected to the BoM in anyway. I have
> enough on my plate just to understand a fraction of the things you guys
get
> talking about on this list but one thing I do know & what most members of
> the "joe public" brigade know also - there is NO such thing as a "mini
> tornado" & everybody get a bit of a laugh out of it. Just the other week
> here in Adelaide the local paper, "The Advertiser", had a weather forecast
> saying the we could expect "thunder showers" - what the???
> You say it's your job to "educate and communicate" - well do that. But
stop
> using make believe terms or the next event maybe blamed on the Toothfairy
or
> Easterbunny. :P
>
> "joe public" is not a dumb as you think Don.
>
> ahh... now I feel better...   lol
>
> Regs. Paul.
> (Stargazer)
> http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:44 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions
>
>
> > Hi all.
> > Som,eone mentioned the need to look into what "Joe public" underrstands
> > about weather forecasts and the ned to communicate.
> > This need varies, depending on who you are communicating with.
> > Consider terms such as fine,dry, mostly sunny, partly cloudy, partly
> > sunny, a shower or two, a few showers, occasional showers, ioslated
> > showers, scattered showers, rain at times, rain periods.....the list
> > goes on. All are unse by the BOM at various times. To the wetaher
> > professional, all have slightly different means and a good forecast will
> > pich the most appropriate.
> > Then we have tempertaure words - cold, cool mild warm, very warm, hot,
> > very hot - obviously in public weather forecasts these are issued in
> > terms of the average. What might be warm in Winter could be cool in
> > summer etc.
> > Then there's worlds like chance and risk when referring to summer storm
> > and so on.
> >
> > From my experience, the public latches onto a word.
> >  A forecast such as "Tomorrow will be mainly fine and very warm with the
> > chance of an afternoon thunderstorm" is interpreted by the public as
> > it's gonig to rain tomorrow.
> > Any mention of a precipitation word is often translated like this.
> >
> > I prepare foerecats for a range of business - ranging from rural,to
> > building industry to film and advertising - who all have their specific
> > needs which are different to those of the general public and
> > consequently world of assessment are different.
> > The use of probability forecasts allows them to use the additional
> > information provided to make professional judgements in their own areas
> > of expertise.
> >
> > Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> > officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> > meant. It is our job to educate and communicate.
> >
> > Don White
> > excuse typos - rushed this.
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?
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I'd say 24th-28th we'll see more rain potential for Sydney. Anyone else like
to either agree or predict something different?
Ken Ring

----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?


> If I remember rightly there was some rain forecast for Sydney by you
earlier
> this month ?
>
> To be fair that first rain forecast came close, but surface conditions did
> not marry up with unstable upper air - the result nothing. Since July to
> present in Shellharbour we have had just over 20mm of rain. This month has
> had several 0.2mm falls, but hardly a 1mm on total yet.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:58 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?
>
>
> > >From my website
> > .."Sydney sees rain.... between 16th-21st..."
> > One would have to say, with my give or take 24 hrs, that this is now
> looking
> > likely.
> > Ken
> >
> > 14/11/02 "ABC News
> > A cloudband crosses northern and eastern Australia ahead of a trough,
> > causing isolated showers and storms in the NT, QLD and NSW
> > New South Wales
> > Sydney
> > Late shower".
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Richard Modistach
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:48 AM
> > Subject: aus-wx: uh-oh!
> >
> >
> > here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.
> >
> > richard
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:11:51 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: More sea science
> >
> > Must bite tounge . . . must . . . . noooooooo LOL- keep fishing ken J
> >
> > James Holbeach
> > --------------------------------
> > Trapdoor Ski Club
> > Mt. Hotham, Australia
> > ph. 0417 553 757
> > http://www.trapdoor.com.au
> > --------------------------------
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 8:30 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: aus-wx: More sea science
> >
> > "..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North
> Shore
> > beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati
> Whatua
> > representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it
> included
> > elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area.
> >
>
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&thesection=news&t
> > hesubsection=general
> > So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and
some
> > can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles
> > away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm
> per
> > year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study
well
> > publicised at the time. On a constantly undulating sea, coming in and
out
> ea
> > ch day, 1mm is amazing.  It just shows you how clever NZers are.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steven Williams
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges
> >
> > South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea
> > levels dropped by 0.5m.
> > Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ.  Story
> here
> > if anybody is interested.
> >
> >
>
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I'm gonna say more like the 25-29th
some more potential rain for Sydney


At 10:08 PM 17/11/2002, you wrote:
>I'd say 24th-28th we'll see more rain potential for Sydney. Anyone else like
>to either agree or predict something different?
>Ken Ring
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:52 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?
>
>
> > If I remember rightly there was some rain forecast for Sydney by you
>earlier
> > this month ?
> >
> > To be fair that first rain forecast came close, but surface conditions did
> > not marry up with unstable upper air - the result nothing. Since July to
> > present in Shellharbour we have had just over 20mm of rain. This month has
> > had several 0.2mm falls, but hardly a 1mm on total yet.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?
> >
> >
> > > >From my website
> > > .."Sydney sees rain.... between 16th-21st..."
> > > One would have to say, with my give or take 24 hrs, that this is now
> > looking
> > > likely.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > 14/11/02 "ABC News
> > > A cloudband crosses northern and eastern Australia ahead of a trough,
> > > causing isolated showers and storms in the NT, QLD and NSW
> > > New South Wales
> > > Sydney
> > > Late shower".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Richard Modistach
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:48 AM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: uh-oh!
> > >
> > >
> > > here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.
> > >
> > > richard
> > >
> > > -------Original Message-------
> > >
> > > From: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:11:51 PM
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: More sea science
> > >
> > > Must bite tounge . . . must . . . . noooooooo LOL- keep fishing ken J
> > >
> > > James Holbeach
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Trapdoor Ski Club
> > > Mt. Hotham, Australia
> > > ph. 0417 553 757
> > > http://www.trapdoor.com.au
> > > --------------------------------
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> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 8:30 PM
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: aus-wx: More sea science
> > >
> > > "..Sand from Waitemata Harbour is being considered to restore a North
> > Shore
> > > beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati
> > Whatua
> > > representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it
> > included
> > > elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area.
> > >
> >
>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&thesection=news&t
> > > hesubsection=general
> > > So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and
>some
> > > can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles
> > > away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm
> > per
> > > year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study
>well
> > > publicised at the time. On a constantly undulating sea, coming in and
>out
> > ea
> > > ch day, 1mm is amazing.  It just shows you how clever NZers are.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Steven Williams
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges
> > >
> > > South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea
> > > levels dropped by 0.5m.
> > > Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ.  Story
> > here
> > > if anybody is interested.
> > >
> > >
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From: "Michael Thompson" <ozthunder at iprimus.com.au>
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Took some pictures of Lake Illawarra today, they speak for themselves. Also
dying trees near Oak Flats.

http://ozthunder.com/temp/drought.htm

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Took some pictures of Lake Illawarra today, they speak for themselves. Also
dying trees near Oak Flats.

http://ozthunder.com/temp/drought.htm

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<DIV>the advance models are showing intensification of moisture infeed through ne and central wa and north and east nt. </DIV>
<DIV>this week has got a feeder from that pushing across central and northern sa and into vic and nsw contracting to ne&nbsp;nsw later in the week.</DIV>
<DIV>it appears there will be an intermittant break over next weekend and early next week.</DIV>
<DIV>what happens next week is open for discussion but imo the feeder will return only deeper, possible exiting times ahead. </DIV>
<DIV>it may not happen but the possibility is in a state of enhancement atm</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>I'm gonna say more like the 25-29th<BR>some more potential rain for Sydney<BR><BR><BR>At 10:08 PM 17/11/2002, you wrote:<BR>&gt;I'd say 24th-28th we'll see more rain potential for Sydney. Anyone else like<BR>&gt;to either agree or predict something different?<BR>&gt;Ken Ring<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt;From: "Michael Thompson" &lt;<A href="mailto:thunder at ozthunder.com">thunder at ozthunder.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;To: &lt;<A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 12:52 PM<BR>&gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; If I remember rightly there was some rain forecast for Sydney by you<BR>&gt;earlier<BR>&gt; &gt; this month ?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; To be fair that first rain forecast came close, but surface conditions did<BR>&gt; &gt; not marry up with unstable upper air - the result nothing. Since July to<BR>&gt; &gt; present in Shellharbour we have had just over 20mm of rain. This month has<BR>&gt; &gt; had several 0.2mm falls, but hardly a 1mm on total yet.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Michael<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; From: "Ken Ring" &lt;<A href="mailto:ken at weatherman.co.nz">ken at weatherman.co.nz</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; To: &lt;<A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 9:58 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: aus-wx: good rain coming?<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;From my website<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; .."Sydney sees rain.... between 16th-21st..."<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; One would have to say, with my give or take 24 hrs, that this is now<BR>&gt; &gt; looking<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; likely.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Ken<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 14/11/02 "ABC News<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; A cloudband crosses northern and eastern Australia ahead of a trough,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; causing isolated showers and storms in the NT, QLD and NSRe aus-wx good rain coming.ems
W<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; New South Wales<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sydney<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Late shower".<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: Richard Modistach<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 1:48 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: aus-wx: uh-oh!<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; here we go again, still, aus-wx has been a bit quiet latley.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; richard<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; -------Original Message-------<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 11:11:51 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: RE: aus-wx: More sea science<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Must bite tounge . . . must . . . . noooooooo LOL- keep fishing ken J<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; James Holbeach<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; --------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Trapdoor Ski Club<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mt. Hotham, Australia<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ph. 0417 553 757<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; <A href="http://www.trapdoor.com.au">http://www.trapdoor.com.au</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; --------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com">aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; [<A href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com">mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</A>] On Behalf Of Ken Ring<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 8:30 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: aus-wx: More sea science<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; "..Sand from Waitemata HRe aus-wx good rain coming.ems
arbour is being considered to restore a North<BR>&gt; &gt; Shore<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; beach because local Maori object to sand from the Coromandel. A Ngati<BR>&gt; &gt; Whatua<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; representative said the Coromandel sand was unacceptable because it<BR>&gt; &gt; included<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; elements of blood and bone from another tribe's area.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<A href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;t">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004042&amp;thesection=news&amp;t</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; hesubsection=general<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; So in this country, tribe's blood doesn't get dissolved in water and<BR>&gt;some<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; can tell sand and tiny bits of bone one beach from another only 50 miles<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; away. Incredible. But then, some can also detect a sealevel rise of 1mm<BR>&gt; &gt; per<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; year, which is what NIWA scientists did in 1999 at Lyttleton, a study<BR>&gt;well<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; publicised at the time. On a constantly undulating sea, coming in and<BR>&gt;out<BR>&gt; &gt; ea<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ch day, 1mm is amazing. It just shows you how clever NZers are.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: Steven Williams<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:59 PM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: aus-wx: Negative storm surges<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; South island experienced two negative storm surges last winter when sea<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; levels dropped by 0.5m.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Deep lows to the south of the country sucked water away from NZ. Story<BR>&gt; &gt; here<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; if anybody is interested.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<A href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004050&amp;thesection=news&amp;t">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3004050&amp;tRe aus-wx good rain coming.ems
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 05:50:53 +1100
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Stargazer..
The fact that you are on this list means you have an interest in
weather. You obviously don't deal with many people who aren't at all
interested in the wetaher other than what it will be tomorrow.  The
first question I get asked is often as basic as the difference between
rain and showers.
Do you  know the difference  or the difference between "a few"or
"scattered"or öccasional"or "isolated".
It is you who used the word dumb for Joe Public... I donm't believe that
- just that many - especially farmers etc want to know more but we can't
leave that to people like you.
And, why know call a small torndado a mini ? And there are plenty of
them

Cheeers,
Don

Stargazer wrote:
> 
> > Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> > officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> > meant. It is our job to educate and communicate
> 
> What a load of crap!
> So what your saying is that just because I like to read this list then I'm
> not a "joe public" anymore?
> I'm not a "weather officiendo" or connected to the BoM in anyway. I have
> enough on my plate just to understand a fraction of the things you guys get
> talking about on this list but one thing I do know & what most members of
> the "joe public" brigade know also - there is NO such thing as a "mini
> tornado" & everybody get a bit of a laugh out of it. Just the other week
> here in Adelaide the local paper, "The Advertiser", had a weather forecast
> saying the we could expect "thunder showers" - what the???
> You say it's your job to "educate and communicate" - well do that. But stop
> using make believe terms or the next event maybe blamed on the Toothfairy or
> Easterbunny. :P
> 
> "joe public" is not a dumb as you think Don.
> 
> ahh... now I feel better...   lol
> 
> Regs. Paul.
> (Stargazer)
> http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:44 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Words and Public Perceptions
> 
> > Hi all.
> > Som,eone mentioned the need to look into what "Joe public" underrstands
> > about weather forecasts and the ned to communicate.
> > This need varies, depending on who you are communicating with.
> > Consider terms such as fine,dry, mostly sunny, partly cloudy, partly
> > sunny, a shower or two, a few showers, occasional showers, ioslated
> > showers, scattered showers, rain at times, rain periods.....the list
> > goes on. All are unse by the BOM at various times. To the wetaher
> > professional, all have slightly different means and a good forecast will
> > pich the most appropriate.
> > Then we have tempertaure words - cold, cool mild warm, very warm, hot,
> > very hot - obviously in public weather forecasts these are issued in
> > terms of the average. What might be warm in Winter could be cool in
> > summer etc.
> > Then there's worlds like chance and risk when referring to summer storm
> > and so on.
> >
> > From my experience, the public latches onto a word.
> >  A forecast such as "Tomorrow will be mainly fine and very warm with the
> > chance of an afternoon thunderstorm" is interpreted by the public as
> > it's gonig to rain tomorrow.
> > Any mention of a precipitation word is often translated like this.
> >
> > I prepare foerecats for a range of business - ranging from rural,to
> > building industry to film and advertising - who all have their specific
> > needs which are different to those of the general public and
> > consequently world of assessment are different.
> > The use of probability forecasts allows them to use the additional
> > information provided to make professional judgements in their own areas
> > of expertise.
> >
> > Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher
> > officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is
> > meant. It is our job to educate and communicate.
> >
> > Don White
> > excuse typos - rushed this.
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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 08:55:21 +1100
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"Thunder shower" and "thundery shower" and terms commonly used by the
Bureau of Met to describe a weak thunderstorm.

Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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> Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher

> officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is 
> meant. It is our job to educate and communicate

What a load of crap!
So what your saying is that just because I like to read this list then
I'm not a "joe public" anymore? I'm not a "weather officiendo" or
connected to the BoM in anyway. I have enough on my plate just to
understand a fraction of the things you guys get talking about on this
list but one thing I do know & what most members of the "joe public"
brigade know also - there is NO such thing as a "mini tornado" &
everybody get a bit of a laugh out of it. Just the other week here in
Adelaide the local paper, "The Advertiser", had a weather forecast
saying the we could expect "thunder showers" - what the??? You say it's
your job to "educate and communicate" - well do that. But stop using
make believe terms or the next event maybe blamed on the Toothfairy or
Easterbunny. :P

"joe public" is not a dumb as you think Don.

ahh... now I feel better...   lol

Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)
http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer


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> Hi all.
> Som,eone mentioned the need to look into what "Joe public" 
> underrstands about weather forecasts and the ned to communicate. This 
> need varies, depending on who you are communicating with. Consider 
> terms such as fine,dry, mostly sunny, partly cloudy, partly sunny, a 
> shower or two, a few showers, occasional showers, ioslated showers, 
> scattered showers, rain at times, rain periods.....the list goes on. 
> All are unse by the BOM at various times. To the wetaher professional,

> all have slightly different means and a good forecast will pich the 
> most appropriate. Then we have tempertaure words - cold, cool mild 
> warm, very warm, hot, very hot - obviously in public weather forecasts

> these are issued in terms of the average. What might be warm in Winter

> could be cool in summer etc.
> Then there's worlds like chance and risk when referring to summer
storm
> and so on.
>
> From my experience, the public latches onto a word.
>  A forecast such as "Tomorrow will be mainly fine and very warm with 
> the chance of an afternoon thunderstorm" is interpreted by the public 
> as it's gonig to rain tomorrow. Any mention of a precipitation word is

> often translated like this.
>
> I prepare foerecats for a range of business - ranging from rural,to 
> building industry to film and advertising - who all have their 
> specific needs which are different to those of the general public and 
> consequently world of assessment are different. The use of probability

> forecasts allows them to use the additional information provided to 
> make professional judgements in their own areas of expertise.
>
> Many of this list get worked up by the word "mini tornado" - a wetaher

> officiendo is entitled to get upset but "joe public" knows what is 
> meant. It is our job to educate and communicate.
>
> Don White
> excuse typos - rushed this.  
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Most common version of this in BNE, is "showers with local thunder"
(Whenever I hear this I have a fleeting impression of thunder sounds coming
out of next doors back yard, lol).

But I think it is one thing to use terms defined by the BoM, and quite
another to use terms perpetuated by the media in ignorance.  Now what a
'wetaher' is, I do not know..., sounds suspiciously like a Kiwi term.  ("A
wetaher ripped through Aukland yesterday..."  or maybe it is just some kind
of roach??)

John.
>snip

"Thunder shower" and "thundery shower" and terms commonly used by the
Bureau of Met to describe a weak thunderstorm.

>snip

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A bit of snow in Stockholm in the last 2 days also down to -10c last night
> and max temp today about -5c or so.
> 
> To those that have records:
> 
> In Sweden there has hardly been any precipitation since last March / April.
> The odd storm in summer.
> 
> Can anyone find records if Sweden suffered a similar dry spell at the same
> time OZ did in 82/83 ?
> 

I couldn't find (easily) any current rainfall data from Sweden, but
could from Finland; Helsinki has had 281mm of rain since the 
beginning of March, which is about 60% of normal for the 8 1/2
month period. By European standards this is a big departure from
normal over such an extended period.

In 1982 Stockholm was drier than normal (although only by about 10%),
and Helsinki was near normal (although that was, in part, due to a very 
wet November). I'm not aware of any known connections between El Nino
and Scandinavian weather, although a connection has been suggested
between it and heavy central European summer rains. As flood rains
in central Europe are often associated with blocking high pressure
over Scandinavia that hints at a possible El Nino influence 
further north, but I haven't seen that tested in any rigorous 
sense.

(For what it's worth, the summers of 1994 and 1997, particularly 
1994, were hot and dry in Scandinavia. I remember this well because
I was in Sweden and Norway in July-August 1994 and arrived in
Stockholm to a succession of mid-30s days - not something they're
used to! Stockholm is full of lakes and they were certainly 
getting plenty of use...)

As some of you would have seen in the news in the last 24 hours,
there has been severe flooding in the Swiss Alps, as well as northern
Scotland (presumably from two different systems). Unlike the August
event, the southern side of the Alps seem to have copped the brunt of
it this time, with reports of 48-hour totals in the 400-500mm range
near the Swiss-Italian border. Extreme short-period rainfall is 
quite common in this area - with the combination of topography and
copious available water from the still-warm Mediterranean - but
400 is getting up there. (Once again, August 1994 provided some
personal fact-finding in this respect :-)

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: hitler?
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> 
> >Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 11:11:21 +1300
> >From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Ouch
> >
> >>  Until this industry gets rid of people like you, the
> >> > repsect for weather forecasting will be hald back
> >> > Don White
> >
> >This is very disturbing comment. It has shades of Klu Klux Klan and
> >Hitler'sGermany.
> 
> Ken how can you possibly claim that calling for accountability in an
> industry is like Hitler's Germany? Just as in a modern society we require
> engineers to be trained and demonstrate their skills, doctors to be trained
> and demonstrate their skills, etc etc., so too it should be with
> professional meteorologist - this is not censoring - it is what makes a
> modern society. Until such time as you can unambiguously demonstrate skill
> in your forecasts you should not be allowed to practice. Further you should
> not be able to practice unless you demonstrate professional competency.

I don't know how familiar readers of this list are with Godwin's
Law. This is a newsgroup convention which states that, once Hitler
is mentioned in any discussion thread, then the thread should be
considered closed, since further intelligent discussion is no
longer possible.

Blair
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: im back
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> HI All,=20
> 
> Been away for awhile.. tore achillies tendon.  Off work for 5 weeks, =
> slowly healing back. Sick and tired of walking on crutches.. plaster off =
> next Wed.=20
> 

Hope the recovery is going well. I can sympathise; I've had an
operation myself a couple of weeks ago for a calf muscle problem
(which is why I've been very quiet recently). Off the crutches on 
the weekend and gradually shuffling faster....

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Afternoon all,

Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of the
ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...

Let the good times roll!!!!!!

Jane
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<x-flowed>

Hi Jane,

Whats your thoughts on this afternoon?  Can we expect much?  The shower 
actually reached pink on radar :)

Karl





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>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:35:12 +1100
>
>Afternoon all,
>
>Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of the
>ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
>glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...
>
>Let the good times roll!!!!!!
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
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>cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
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>
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Lookout... victorians (especially the one below ;) are getting excited...
expect a flood of emails now.. the cloud has been seen!

PS Blair - I like Godwins Law.. we should apply it here.

Matt Smith

Jane ONeill wrote:

> Afternoon all,
>
> Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of the
> ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
> glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...
>
> Let the good times roll!!!!!!
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at australianskynweather.com
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Hi Karl,

I'd keep an eye out along the ranges near to the trough - it'll be
interesting to see how the low level moisture goes - those bases are pretty
high atm (~12,000' I'd guess looking at the sounding from this morning).

from the Area 30 forecast:
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/SHOWERS NE LAMEROO/CAMUS, MOSTLY NEAR THE RANGES.
(Lameroo is in SA, CAMUS is between King & Flinders Is, south of Westernport
Bay if you are drawing lines on a map...)

Jane
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Australian Sky and Weather
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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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>
> Hi Jane,
>
> Whats your thoughts on this afternoon?  Can we expect much?  The shower
> actually reached pink on radar :)
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne convection
> >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:35:12 +1100
> >
> >Afternoon all,
> >
> >Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of the
> >ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
> >glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...
> >
> >Let the good times roll!!!!!!
> >
> >Jane
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at australianskynweather.com
> >
> >Australian Sky and Weather
> >www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: In Search of Supercells 2002 - the video
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Afternoon all,

I'm finalising the initial order tomorrow Tuesday 19th - if you'd like a
copy before Christmas please let me know.  Moe information can be found here
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/supercells2002.htm

Cheers,

Jane
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ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney forecast for December
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>  you should not be allowed to practice. Further you should
> > not be able to practice unless you demonstrate professional competency.

For those interested, my potential-for-rain reading for Sydney for December:
4th-5th
13th
19th
21st
25th-28th
Day of 31st, clearing by evening
New Years Day fine

cheers
Ken
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I may have had 
this explained to me in time past, but I've forgotten the answer, my question 
is: What causes pavement/concrete surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high 
humidity? This happens occasionally here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your 
answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh 
yes....another question....Would ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change 
color at different rates? I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 
feet apart-a sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned 
color while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why the 
difference in timing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Again 
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:47 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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What, Matthew?  You don't mean THE CLOUD do you?
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> Lookout... victorians (especially the one below ;) are getting
> excited...
> expect a flood of emails now.. the cloud has been seen!
> 
> PS Blair - I like Godwins Law.. we should apply it here.
> 
> Matt Smith
> 
> Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> > Afternoon all,
> >
> > Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of
> the
> > ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
> > glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...
> >
> > Let the good times roll!!!!!!
> >
> > Jane
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at australianskynweather.com
> >
> > Australian Sky and Weather
> > www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Jason Beer" <jasonbeer at minmail.net>
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Well done Blair,

I thought that had been forgotten!

So it would appear on face value or at least coincidence that dryness in
Scandinavia has been matching to a degree this year. But 10% for 82 is
probably not enough to justify a vague sort of link.

I have been fortunate enough to experience 3 excellent summers in Sweden.
One shocker though. In fact my first 18 months in Sweden I almost never saw
the sun! Winter and summer. Tough, very very tough!

I have seen 2 Northern Lights. One was white and the other green.

Sweden is not much for wild blizzards either. I have only had one in 5 yrs.
Boring. Did get an excellent Thunderstorm a few months back. Also very rare
for a cracker jack. I even went inside from my balcony the lightning strikes
were so good! I´ve lived in Darwin too, this was almost as good as any it
could throw up.

Best craker Jacks I´ve had have been in Melbourne, Injune Queensland,
Darwin, All of Victoria one special weekend about 10 yrs ago - a friend and
I spent a night chasing storms all over Victoria(although we didn´t realise
we were doing that at the time - we were looking for a camping spot!). I
still have a very vivid memory of a MASSIVE Octapus near Daylesford. Wow!
Best strike I´ve ever seen anywhere. TV, pictures etc etc.

Saw an excellent on in NY one evening. I raced up to the Empire State
Building to watch it with my Camera. I was about 1 second from having my
Camera ready when The World Trade Centre lightning rod was hit at a 45
degree angle. shit, missed it by that much!

No one will be getting that opportunity again.

Good on you Blair.

cheers

Jas



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>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> A bit of snow in Stockholm in the last 2 days also down to -10c last night
> and max temp today about -5c or so.
>
> To those that have records:
>
> In Sweden there has hardly been any precipitation since last March /
April.
> The odd storm in summer.
>
> Can anyone find records if Sweden suffered a similar dry spell at the same
> time OZ did in 82/83 ?
>

I couldn't find (easily) any current rainfall data from Sweden, but
could from Finland; Helsinki has had 281mm of rain since the
beginning of March, which is about 60% of normal for the 8 1/2
month period. By European standards this is a big departure from
normal over such an extended period.

In 1982 Stockholm was drier than normal (although only by about 10%),
and Helsinki was near normal (although that was, in part, due to a very
wet November). I'm not aware of any known connections between El Nino
and Scandinavian weather, although a connection has been suggested
between it and heavy central European summer rains. As flood rains
in central Europe are often associated with blocking high pressure
over Scandinavia that hints at a possible El Nino influence
further north, but I haven't seen that tested in any rigorous
sense.

(For what it's worth, the summers of 1994 and 1997, particularly
1994, were hot and dry in Scandinavia. I remember this well because
I was in Sweden and Norway in July-August 1994 and arrived in
Stockholm to a succession of mid-30s days - not something they're
used to! Stockholm is full of lakes and they were certainly
getting plenty of use...)

As some of you would have seen in the news in the last 24 hours,
there has been severe flooding in the Swiss Alps, as well as northern
Scotland (presumably from two different systems). Unlike the August
event, the southern side of the Alps seem to have copped the brunt of
it this time, with reports of 48-hour totals in the 400-500mm range
near the Swiss-Italian border. Extreme short-period rainfall is
quite common in this area - with the combination of topography and
copious available water from the still-warm Mediterranean - but
400 is getting up there. (Once again, August 1994 provided some
personal fact-finding in this respect :-)

Blair
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It's looking great for storms in Perth and around the SW this Thursday. A
deep trough off the west coast is expected to form, pumping in hot NE
winds. LI's are showing -6 with a cape of 1600 over perth and 2200 to the NE.

Looks even better for areas to the north of Esperance on Friday with LI's
of -10 at 9Z!

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----- Original Message -----
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> Stargazer..
> The fact that you are on this list means you have an interest in
> weather.
True

>You obviously don't deal with many people who aren't at all
> interested in the wetaher other than what it will be tomorrow.
Most people I talk to have no interest in the weather. How would you know
what I "obviously" do or don't do???

>The first question I get asked is often as basic as the difference between
> rain and showers.
> Do you  know the difference  or the difference between "a few"or
> "scattered"or öccasional"or "isolated".
Hey, your the expert, you tell me...  ;)

> It is you who used the word dumb for Joe Public... I donm't believe that
Then why use such childish terms? If you can use the Richter scale for
earthquakes & expect "joe public" to understand that then why not the
F-scale for
tornadoes? I think The Fujita scale is a little easer to grasp then the
Richter scale.

> - just that many - especially farmers etc want to know more but we can't
> leave that to people like you.
People like me? What on Earth do you mean by that Don?

> And, why know call a small torndado a mini ? And there are plenty of
> them
???

>
> Cheeers,
> Don

Yeh, good on ya... lol  :)
Regs. Paul.
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From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Evening all,

Well I guess you could call it complete luck but I managed to get a
thunderstorm today.  I was thinking most of the stuff was going to be on the
ranges but I was surprised when Nick Sykes called me to say there were
glaciating towers near St Kilda.  I was fortunate enough to be working in
Braeside and this weak cell cruised right over the top of me producing one
(yes just one) very nice rumble of thunder.

:-)

Macca

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Hi Karl,

I'd keep an eye out along the ranges near to the trough - it'll be
interesting to see how the low level moisture goes - those bases are pretty
high atm (~12,000' I'd guess looking at the sounding from this morning).

from the Area 30 forecast:
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/SHOWERS NE LAMEROO/CAMUS, MOSTLY NEAR THE RANGES.
(Lameroo is in SA, CAMUS is between King & Flinders Is, south of Westernport
Bay if you are drawing lines on a map...)

Jane
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Australian Sky and Weather
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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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>
> Hi Jane,
>
> Whats your thoughts on this afternoon?  Can we expect much?  The shower
> actually reached pink on radar :)
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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> >Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:35:12 +1100
> >
> >Afternoon all,
> >
> >Convection has started up west and southwest of Melbourne south of the
> >ranges - middle level, but there are a couple of tops trying hard to
> >glaciate & a 20-40mm/hr shower west of Werribee...
> >
> >Let the good times roll!!!!!!
> >
> >Jane
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at australianskynweather.com
> >
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Hey All,

Just doing the evening/morning search of the US news sites, and found the
following on the NewsOK.com website about cloud seeding. What surprised me
the most was that the insurance companies in Oklahoma actually funded it.
Could this be a possible idea for the Australian insurance industry to
possibly think of something in Oz, or are we considered to be a "small" hail
risk???

The story can be found at:
http://newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=948419&pic=none&TP=getarticle

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at australianskynweather.com>
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Some rather nice crepuscular rays and altocumulus this evening just
before sunset....
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/spring02jon.htm

Today was a rather nice tantaliser (luckier for some.....) - and this
trough will be interesting over the next day or so....

jane

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<DIV><FONT size=2>This is new one for me ?&nbsp; Perhaps the concrete is 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I may have had 
  this explained to me in time past, but I've forgotten the answer, my question 
  is: What causes pavement/concrete surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high 
  humidity? This happens occasionally here.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your 
  answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh 
  yes....another question....Would ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change 
  color at different rates? I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 
  feet apart-a sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned 
  color while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why 
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Now didn't you all read that E Mail recently, about the ' stupid cloud '
thread.

Personaly I like THE CLOUD.

Michael


> What, Matthew?  You don't mean THE CLOUD do you?



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At 08:55 18/11/02 +1100, you wrote:
>"Thunder shower" and "thundery shower" and terms commonly used by the
>Bureau of Met to describe a weak thunderstorm.
>
>Mark Hardy
>The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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"Thundery showers" is quite often used by the MetService here in New
Zealand. I find it's not a very good word to describe a thunderstorm
delivering showers. The term to me describes an event where the rain could
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I may have had this explained to me in time past, but I've forgotten the answer, my question is: What causes pavement/concrete surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high humidity? This happens occasionally here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh yes....another question....Would ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change color at different rates? I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 feet apart-a sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned color while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why the difference in timing.</FONT></DIV>
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Nice :)

What camera are you using Jane?

Regs. Paul.
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> Some rather nice crepuscular rays and altocumulus this evening just
> before sunset....
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/spring02jon.htm
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> Today was a rather nice tantaliser (luckier for some.....) - and this
> trough will be interesting over the next day or so....
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Paul,

It's a Canon A40 digital - pics taken on half resolution.

Cheers,

Jane

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> Nice :)
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> What camera are you using Jane?
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at theweather.com.au>
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Ahhhhh! What memories that brought back. I've certainly not seen drier
snow at home since that event either - no surprise really. You can tell
how dry snow is by observing the rate that it covers warm surfaces like
the road and it was pretty quick that Sunday arvo.

Oh, and I sway to eucalyptus forests under snow over pine, just.

Thanks for that, Jimmy, I hadn't seen that report before.

Andrew.


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http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0005-06.htm

some nice photographs

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Hi Andrew,

No worries. That report just went up tonight. Nicely written I might say by 
Jeff.

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:26 PM 18/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Ahhhhh! What memories that brought back. I've certainly not seen drier
>snow at home since that event either - no surprise really. You can tell
>how dry snow is by observing the rate that it covers warm surfaces like
>the road and it was pretty quick that Sunday arvo.
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>
>Thanks for that, Jimmy, I hadn't seen that report before.
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>http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0005-06.htm
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: An old snow chase from Jeff Brislane
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Great memories for me too!!! I was at Mt. Hotham at the time- nearly 1m
of snow in 24hrs WooHoo!!!!

This link describes the event well:
http://www.australianweathernews.com/news/2000/05/20000528.html

And this is a pic of Zirkys ( at  Hotham) taken on 29th May (I think) I
have a few more if people are interested
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/PicoW/Zirkys-maydump2000.jpg 


It is known in the snow industry as "The May dump of 2000" and was an
awesome experience to behold. Max temp  at  Hotham for the Saturday was -7C
(according to the lodge weather station.


James Holbeach
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Ahhhhh! What memories that brought back. I've certainly not seen drier
snow at home since that event either - no surprise really. You can tell
how dry snow is by observing the rate that it covers warm surfaces like
the road and it was pretty quick that Sunday arvo.

Oh, and I sway to eucalyptus forests under snow over pine, just.

Thanks for that, Jimmy, I hadn't seen that report before.

Andrew.


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http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0005-06.htm

some nice photographs

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-----------------------------------------
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NSW Australia

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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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Here in HK, everyone has concrete floors and when humidity reaches 100% 
they always become wet.  Actually they get wet from condensation from 
the air when the humidity passes about 94% or 95%.  When it reaches 
100%, if there is no aircon running, it can appear to be raining 
inside!  Clouds of moisture form indoors, it condenses on the ceiling, 
and then drips to the floors.
So my guess is very high humidity has caused it.  Do you have a record 
of what the humidity was at the time the concrete was sweating?

Phil
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:05:34 -0600
Subject: aus-wx: Another Question:

> Howdy, hoping all are having a Happy and Safe November:
>           I may have had this explained to me in time past, but I've
> forgotten the answer, my question is: What causes pavement/concrete
> surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high humidity? This happens
> occasionally here.
>           Thanks for your answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check
> out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh yes....another question....Would
> ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change color at different rates?
> I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 feet apart-a
> sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned color
> while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why
> the difference in timing.
>            Again Thanks!      Yours     David (in an Autumn wonderland)
> Powell
> 

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Thanks for that answer; I'm not sure of the 
humidity level, but I'd guess that it was pretty 
high. I think I've seen it when it was also foggy.

> Here in HK, everyone has concrete floors and 
when humidity reaches 100% 
> they always become wet.  Actually they get wet 
from condensation from 
> the air when the humidity passes about 94% or 
95%.  When it reaches 
> 100%, if there is no aircon running, it can 
appear to be raining 
> inside!  Clouds of moisture form indoors, it 
condenses on the ceiling, 
> and then drips to the floors.
> So my guess is very high humidity has caused 
it.  Do you have a record 
> of what the humidity was at the time the 
concrete was sweating?
> 
> Phil
> <><
> 
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SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> 
> 
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> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:05:34 -0600
> Subject: aus-wx: Another Question:
> 
> > Howdy, hoping all are having a Happy and Safe 
November:
> >           I may have had this explained to me 
in time past, but I've
> > forgotten the answer, my question is: What 
causes pavement/concrete
> > surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high 
humidity? This happens
> > occasionally here.
> >           Thanks for your answers. Wish ya'll 
could be here to check
> > out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh 
yes....another question....Would
> > ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change 
color at different rates?
> > I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, 
about 5 feet apart-a
> > sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have 
almost fully turned color
> > while the others leaves have just started to 
turn. I was wondering why
> > the difference in timing.
> >            Again Thanks!      Yours     David 
(in an Autumn wonderland)
> > Powell
> > 
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Great Pic! I'm hoping we get a little of that 
this Winter! I know I'll be dreaming about 
it!...drool....(All we need is a little cold air 
and a Low pressure to our South).

> Great memories for me too!!! I was at Mt. 
Hotham at the time- nearly 1m
> of snow in 24hrs WooHoo!!!!
> 
> This link describes the event well:
> 
http://www.australianweathernews.com/news/2000/05/
20000528.html
> 
> And this is a pic of Zirkys ( at  Hotham) taken on 
29th May (I think) I
> have a few more if people are interested
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au/PicoW/Zirkys-
maydump2000.jpg 
> 
> 
> It is known in the snow industry as "The May 
dump of 2000" and was an
> awesome experience to behold. Max temp  at  Hotham 
for the Saturday was -7C
> (according to the lodge weather station.
> 
> 
> James Holbeach
> --------------------------------
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> Mt. Hotham, Australia
> ph. 0417 553 757
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au
> --------------------------------
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Miskelly
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Jeff Brislane
> 
> Ahhhhh! What memories that brought back. I've 
certainly not seen drier
> snow at home since that event either - no 
surprise really. You can tell
> how dry snow is by observing the rate that it 
covers warm surfaces like
> the road and it was pretty quick that Sunday 
arvo.
> 
> Oh, and I sway to eucalyptus forests under snow 
over pine, just.
> 
> Thanks for that, Jimmy, I hadn't seen that 
report before.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 
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Brislane
> 
> 
> 
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2
000/docs/0005-06.htm
> 
> some nice photographs
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Please note the change to my new e-mail 
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> 
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> 
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Hi,

Surfaces will become damp when their temperature falls below dewpoint, or
conversely, if the dewpoint of the air rises above the temperature of the
surface.

Surfaces such as tiled or concrete floors with large thermal mass typically
only change temperature very slowly and thus condensation will occur in very
humid atmospheres if the air temp and (importantly) dewpoint rises above the
surface temp.

Cooling a room with dry cold aircon air, and then suddenly opening all
windows on a hot humid day will often cause gross condensation, and has been
known to kill off the odd computer system or TV.

John.
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Here in HK, everyone has concrete floors and when humidity reaches 100%
they always become wet.  Actually they get wet from condensation from
the air when the humidity passes about 94% or 95%.  When it reaches
100%, if there is no aircon running, it can appear to be raining
inside!  Clouds of moisture form indoors, it condenses on the ceiling,
and then drips to the floors.
So my guess is very high humidity has caused it.  Do you have a record
of what the humidity was at the time the concrete was sweating?

Phil
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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:05:34 -0600
Subject: aus-wx: Another Question:

> Howdy, hoping all are having a Happy and Safe November:
>           I may have had this explained to me in time past, but I've
> forgotten the answer, my question is: What causes pavement/concrete
> surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high humidity? This happens
> occasionally here.
>           Thanks for your answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check
> out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh yes....another question....Would
> ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change color at different rates?
> I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 feet apart-a
> sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned color
> while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why
> the difference in timing.
>            Again Thanks!      Yours     David (in an Autumn wonderland)
> Powell
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<x-flowed>

Looks like some thunderstorm activity is developing north of Adelaide with a 
few strikes on tracker, and out west around Ceduna its taking off ahead of 
the frontal system.  The front and cloud seems to have stalled over the past 
24 hours.

What are peoples thoughts on rain and storms across VIC and SA over the next 
24-36 hours?

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't understand the Total Totals. Is there an 
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Tragic Michael. It is incredible when you see areas near the coast getting 
very dry like you have in those photographs. We'll see how long we last and 
rainfall creaps in again.

Jimmy Deguara

At 11:10 PM 17/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Took some pictures of Lake Illawarra today, they speak for themselves. Also
>dying trees near Oak Flats.
>
>http://ozthunder.com/temp/drought.htm
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I finally typed up a report about the October 13 Niangala Tornado (NSW)
for anyone intrested in a bit of reading about one of the more
significant aussie tornadoes in recent times.

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/October13tornado.htm

I will get around to witness accounts another time.
Enjoy.

Matthew Smith
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Total Totals is an indication of instability in the 
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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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I was shocked by the pictures Michael.  How deep is the water usually do you
know?  And is it ever open to the sea?  I imagine that the smell around that
area is rather overpowering just now.  The last time we went down to Lake
Heights in July probably, it all looked so lovely.
Judy Mayo

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> Took some pictures of Lake Illawarra today, they speak for themselves.
Also
> dying trees near Oak Flats.
>
> http://ozthunder.com/temp/drought.htm
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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That part of the Lake is generally only shallow 2ft or so, but it was always
covered by water. the lake only blocked in August this year, it would be
open to sea about 90% of the time.

Michael

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> I was shocked by the pictures Michael.  How deep is the water usually do
you
> know?  And is it ever open to the sea?  I imagine that the smell around
that
> area is rather overpowering just now.  The last time we went down to Lake
> Heights in July probably, it all looked so lovely.
> Judy Mayo
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> > Took some pictures of Lake Illawarra today, they speak for themselves.
> Also
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> >
> > http://ozthunder.com/temp/drought.htm
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We have had a lot of rain here in Canterbury and wind on the east coast of
the South Island.
Nice little active trough out to the east.
I recorded 124 mm over the last few days and there has been snow  to low
levels as well.
No thunder as the conditions for TS develpment have been very poor.
It's like winter ... but conditions are improving over the next couple of
days, 
but then ...


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last night about 9.45 pm While we were out walking 
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8/8 cloud cover here :(

Phil
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> I just found on the NASA site that the Leonid Shower is visible in the
> US.  
> 
> Last night about 9.45 pm While we were out walking the dog we had the
> great fortune of seeing something speed across the sky.  I wonder if we
> saw a rather larger Meteor from the Leonid Shower as what we saw as
> near as I can describe it was near to soft ball size and really
> spectacular.
> 
> Did anyone else see anything last night or tonight?
> 
> Judy Mayo
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The only thing falling from the sky here south of Adelaide atm is a couple
drops of rain... about eleventeen drops I think I counted  ;)
I wonder what kind of show it's putting on up there?

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HI All

I am in the New York City area. Unfortunately, the bright moon and the light pollution 
made it difficult to see the Leonids from here, however I did get up around 330 AM 
US Eastern Time and managed to see a few meteors. Nothing compares to last 
years fireball/meteor extravaganza though!

If any of you ever get to the United States the place to visit in the warmer months is 
Mount Washington in New Hampshire in Northeast US. The night observers there 
enjoyed the Leonids. :) You can read their report on this website and also view their 
webcams which show you their conditions at 6,288 feet (yes, feet, I am a Yank). 

http://www.mountwashington.org/cam/northeast/index.html

http://www.spaceweather.com - most of you astro freaks know about this but for 
those that don't this is great site

Now back to Aussie weather....

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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been looking at the models and after 2 days of 
Unexpected afternoon convective storms developing here in Canberra (well, 1 day 
as the BoM then forecasted the possibility on Tuesday...), today should be the 
first real possibilty of decent rainfall totals across the SE of the country. 
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Progs have got +500 cape and -2 Li's which on the 
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-2 still. interesting to see what does develop, even if its some much needed 
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<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial size=2>0.4 mm of </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>rain 
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since</FONT></EM></DIV>
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this period, no rain was recorded at</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>all at the airport.</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My figures that i have been working with (from the 
AP AWS), and are current to the end of October are as Follows...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For YTD we are 36.1mm Under average.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>More signifigantly From March to YTD we are 158.4mm 
under the Average for the same months.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mondays 0.4mm leaves us with 64.1mm to make up this 
month to make it the 4th November of Above avergage rains (only month to do it 
the last 3)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway Back to the Current weather...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What are your thoughts on the Chances 
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That's pretty awesome for this time of year. Also the fact that you got 124
mm and I've only had 300 here for the whole 11 months :-(

Subject: aus-wx: I Just Thought I would Let you Know


> We have had a lot of rain here in Canterbury and wind on the east coast of
> the South Island.
> Nice little active trough out to the east.
> I recorded 124 mm over the last few days and there has been snow  to low
> levels as well.
> No thunder as the conditions for TS develpment have been very poor.
> It's like winter ... but conditions are improving over the next couple of
> days,
> but then ...
>
>
> JohnGaul
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Morning all,

1.2mm overnight has pushed my month to date total to 15.2mm and my year to
date total to 596mm, unless we have the 'flooding rains' after the drought
(thank you Dorothea Mackellar!!) I have no chance of getting anywhere near
my average of 825 - 850mm......looks like Canberra in March!!

Jane
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Well, Seven Hills is chugging along..537mm to date, the 6th driest in 52
years. Comes in at a 1 in 8 year event (using a gamma distribution) so
nothing to write home about I guess. But it's 307mm below the YTD average.
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> Morning all,
>
> 1.2mm overnight has pushed my month to date total to 15.2mm and my year to
> date total to 596mm, unless we have the 'flooding rains' after the drought
> (thank you Dorothea Mackellar!!) I have no chance of getting anywhere near
> my average of 825 - 850mm......looks like Canberra in March!!
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
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From: "macdonald" <sclmacdonald at optusnet.com.au>
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<DIV>This is really strange i came across this while searching the net for Guyra 
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http://www.weatherzone.com.au/charts/convectiveOutlook.jsp?chart=d1

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Hey All,

Just looking through today's Herald Sun, and they have a center spread with
6 images from next years BoM calendar Quite impressive, and I thoroughly
recommend people getting a copy of the paper....the images are quite
spectacular. Oh, and it also has details on how to buy the calendar, so go
out and buy a copy.

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>Morning all,
>
>1.2mm overnight has pushed my month to date total to 15.2mm and my year to
>date total to 596mm, unless we have the 'flooding rains' after the drought
>(thank you Dorothea Mackellar!!) I have no chance of getting anywhere near
>my average of 825 - 850mm......looks like Canberra in March!!

Just a dribble here and another load of dust dumped on the car. :-(  I'm 
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>
>Just looking through today's Herald Sun, and they have a center spread with
>6 images from next years BoM calendar Quite impressive, and I thoroughly
>recommend people getting a copy of the paper....the images are quite
>spectacular. Oh, and it also has details on how to buy the calendar, so go
>out and buy a copy.

Now I find out. :(

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All the best and hope to see you again soon.

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> OK folks, I'm leaving 99% of my email lists for a whilst and aussie
weather
> list is one of them. I have personal reasons for the decision, it is not
my
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the
> new year I may rejoin the list.
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've heard lots of long range weather forecast 
stories just lately of the breaking of the drought. One for today (20th), 
another for the 23rd etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not poking fun of anyone who made these predictions 
but what areas were they for.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently from what I can gather the one for the 
20th was from Lennox Walker which was predicted in 1950 someone 
said?!?!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what part of Australia were these predictions 
for? The areas "they" lived in or the whole country.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I mean is, I can say it's gunna be dry here 
next week and I may be correct, but in Darwin, say they may get torrential 
rain.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in Lennox Walker's and Indigo 
Jones' predictions as I have never seen them and would like too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know where I can start?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy - I don't know where you can start, but I 
did hear an interview on ABC local radio this afternoon saying that there was a 
70 year old prediction (from under the floorboards) that Alice Springs will get 
a deluge tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I watch yet another rainband fall apart before 
it gets to Canberra (despite some models consistently predicting at least 15mm 
from this one - AVN, GASP and NOGAPS all held out hopes of decent falls), I 
think all human predictions have some way to go. It seems that the models are 
having trouble accounting for the obviously strong rain suppression regime that 
is currently in place over SE Australia.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've heard lots of long range weather forecast 
  stories just lately of the breaking of the drought. One for today (20th), 
  another for the 23rd etc.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not poking fun of anyone who made these 
  predictions but what areas were they for.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently from what I can gather the one for the 
  20th was from Lennox Walker which was predicted in 1950 someone 
  said?!?!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what part of Australia were these predictions 
  for? The areas "they" lived in or the whole country.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I mean is, I can say it's gunna be dry here 
  next week and I may be correct, but in Darwin, say they may get torrential 
  rain.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in Lennox Walker's and Indigo 
  Jones' predictions as I have never seen them and would like too.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know where I can start?</FONT></DIV>
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Hello,

Here is something quite different for the list to see - weather from Malta 
- my parent's home place and  from the same town. My cousin is also a 
weather freak and has some nice lightning photographs and the like

http://www.weathermalta.net/

http://www.weathermalta.net/photo_lightnings.html   lightning section - his 
favourite section I suppose

Enjoy.

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Please note the change to my new e-mail 
address:    jdeguara at australiasevereweather.com

Storm Chasing Tours - Thunderbolt Tours - http://www.thunderbolttours.com
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Jimmy Deguara
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NSW Australia

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Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Long Range Forecasts Fw: aus-wx:  Old Predictions for 2002/2003 from Southern  Highlands
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Bussy,

This information may help you find the information that you need.
Judy Mayo

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>
> > ABC
> > tracked it down to someone in Kyogle, who reckoned they had made it up,
> but
> > who knows :)
> >... no
> > >noe can find the paper... so I think it may be an urban myth.
> > >
> How absolutely unfortunate for a guy like Jones to have his life's work
> called an urban myth that someone made up. The Crohamhurst Observatory was
> set up in 1935. Lennox joined in 1953, an observatory that was world
famous
> in its time. Get the book "Only An Australian" by Lennox Walker. ISBN 0
646
> 829855 0
>
> "Long-range Forecasting
> Australian farmers have always had an insatiable appetite for long-range
> weather forecasts and, for many years, the late Inigo Jones, who had
worked
> under Clement Wragge in Brisbane, provided seasonal forecasts from his
> privately operated Crohamhurst Observatory in southeast Queensland.
Despite
> two Ministerially commissioned investigations which concluded that his
> forecasting methods had no scientific basis, the demand for his forecasts
> remained and after his death the service continued under Lennox Walker..."
> http://www.austehc.unimelb.edu.au/fam/1604.html
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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx:  IT IS RAINING IN MONA VALE   NSW  10.12PM
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dont know for how long, but it is raining.&nbsp; 
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G'day Judy,

Raining lightly here in Wentworthville with a fresh smelling breeze :)
WooHoo just had a quick flash of lightning, Max King confirmed the rumble
of thunder.

Wonder if we have SDS bad? My first post in a while - purely from a few
drops of rain on the ground and that 'rain' smell in the air.  :)


Mal Ninnes
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from outside, nice damp smell and some sprnikling rain and some reasonable winds 
from a generally SE direction. No temp though - everything is packed up for 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>A very interesting report Matt. That part of the country is 
certainly a severe storm hotspot. On one of first extended chases back in 1997 I 
dove through Hanging Rock which is not far from Niangala. There was a forest of 
mature pines, several very large pines had been layed flat facing east - I 
believe this was straight line winds in this case.&nbsp; Then in 1998 myself, 
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tour. This time we noted minor tree damage in another forest. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Why such a hotspot ?&nbsp; Altitude helps, but also I like the 
way the mountains drop off on the western side. No gradual slopes, from Tamworth 
to Hanging Rock is no far in a straight line but you pick up 600m in height. 
That puts hot dry plains air in close contact to perhaps a moist seabreeze 
feeding up the eastern valleys. I note that Niangala is near one of the 
headwaters of the Manning River.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:35:08 +1100 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I finally typed up a report about the October 13 Niangala 
  Tornado (NSW) 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;for anyone intrested in a bit of reading about one of the more 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;significant aussie tornadoes in recent times. 
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I will get around to witness accounts another time. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Enjoy. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Surely not.&nbsp;Must be amateurs. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(NZ Herald yesterday)"EL NINO HAS AUSTRALIANS 
FACING CRUEL SUMMER..Forecasters predict that the worst of the dry weather is 
yet to come and that there will be little or no rain till January at 
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  <A title=bussie at netc.net.au href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">Bussy</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 9:31 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Long range 
  forecasts</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've heard lots of long range weather forecast 
  stories just lately of the breaking of the drought. One for today (20th), 
  another for the 23rd etc.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not poking fun of anyone who made these 
  predictions but what areas were they for.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently from what I can gather the one for the 
  20th was from Lennox Walker which was predicted in 1950 someone 
  said?!?!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what part of Australia were these predictions 
  for? The areas "they" lived in or the whole country.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I mean is, I can say it's gunna be dry here 
  next week and I may be correct, but in Darwin, say they may get torrential 
  rain.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in Lennox Walker's and Indigo 
  Jones' predictions as I have never seen them and would like too.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know where I can start?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>On my website since last month</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>"Alice Springs may get rain on 22nd.."</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=patricktobin at ozemail.com.au 
  href="mailto:patricktobin at ozemail.com.au">Patrick Tobin</A> </DIV>
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  PM</DIV>
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  forecasts</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy - I don't know where you can start, but 
  I did hear an interview on ABC local radio this afternoon saying that there 
  was a 70 year old prediction (from under the floorboards) that Alice Springs 
  will get a deluge tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I watch yet another rainband fall apart before 
  it gets to Canberra (despite some models consistently predicting at least 15mm 
  from this one - AVN, GASP and NOGAPS all held out hopes of decent falls), I 
  think all human predictions have some way to go. It seems that the models are 
  having trouble accounting for the obviously strong rain suppression regime 
  that is currently in place over SE Australia.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:31 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Long range 
    forecasts</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've heard lots of long range weather forecast 
    stories just lately of the breaking of the drought. One for today (20th), 
    another for the 23rd etc.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not poking fun of anyone who made these 
    predictions but what areas were they for.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently from what I can gather the one for 
    the 20th was from Lennox Walker which was predicted in 1950 someone 
    said?!?!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what part of Australia were these 
    predictions for? The areas "they" lived in or the whole 
country.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I mean is, I can say it's gunna be dry 
    here next week and I may be correct, but in Darwin, say they may get 
    torrential rain.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in Lennox Walker's and Indigo 
    Jones' predictions as I have never seen them and would like 
too.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know where I can start?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi Mal/Max,

We did also have a couple of flashes and thunder here but I would not even 
have bothered settign up a camera. It was a pleasant site though to confirm 
a frustrating forecast of storms later.

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:26 PM 20/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>G'day Judy,
>
>Raining lightly here in Wentworthville with a fresh smelling breeze :)
>WooHoo just had a quick flash of lightning, Max King confirmed the rumble
>of thunder.
>
>Wonder if we have SDS bad? My first post in a while - purely from a few
>drops of rain on the ground and that 'rain' smell in the air.  :)
>
>
>Mal Ninnes
>Wentworthville, Western Sydney.
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> >      Guess the dog won't get that walk now.  Judy Mayo
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Morning all,

Some great images of the sunset in Melbourne on the 18th November from
James Tom of Upwey (Mt Dandenong area) can be found here
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/spring02oth.htm

and for more of the Spring photography, go here
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/spring02.htm


Enjoy!!

Jane

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Australian Sky & Weather
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From: "Tuan Phan" <t.phan at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Long-range Rain forecast challenge for all
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Hi All,

Here is an interesting challenge for everyone to try. As suggested by some
in the heated 'long range forecasting' debate, don't criticise the method
without valid proof and that people should do some forecasting themselves so
methods & results could be compared.

The actual challenge is to see if anyone, using any method they wish, can
consistently beat climatology at predicting rainfall amount in several
districts  around Aus. The 'Chance or random' method is too easy to beat so
clim is used for comparison.

With absolutely no experience in long term forecasting, my advantage in this
areas should be the same with most people on this list (next to nothing!). I
am  hoping that other people see my forecasting methods and forecasts, and
try it themselves - both professional & weather enthusiasts alike. I am also
aiming to  encourage long range forecasters to improve their wordings so no
ambiguerity with users of their products and when it comes to verification.


Forecast Method
---------------
My long range forecasts will be based on a special index that I have
developed - called Tuan's Special Index (TSI). This TSI is based on a
multiple  regression equation with no less than 16 parameters in it (:Wow!).

Some of the independent variables include:
-SOI	-Sunspots	-Moon	-Stars	-Cricket chirps	-Tea leaves
-$A vs $US	-Current Julian day	-location of forecasts
- PI	-various others

I believe this equation will give me supperior forecasts to the
BoM(traditional method), Ken (mainly moon), Indigo-Hayden (mainly sunspots)
and others. After  all, I am taking into account everything, and more, these
three groups are saying is the most important factors in determining their
long range forecasts :).

Perhaps the *clinching* variable that I have included in my equation, that
no one else has discussed at all, is the flapping of the butterfly's wing in
Sth  America. After all, everyone knows that the flapping by butterflys over
there is responsible for ALL the TCs that occur in the Aus region ;) !


Historic Results
----------------
Using my TSI, I have calculated the following results for the last 5 years
over SE Aus

	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
1998	0.82	0.19	0.16	0.36	0.83	0.33	0.83	0.07	0.77	0.19	0.70	0.30
1999	0.47	0.22	0.87	0.96	0.16	0.81	0.07	0.02	0.93	0.49	0.83	0.02
2000	0.43	0.99	0.40	0.91	0.74	0.28	0.06	0.17	0.68	0.37	0.82	0.19
2001	0.31	0.21	0.99	0.71	0.76	0.31	0.06	0.55	0.93	0.62	0.04	0.82
2002	0.25	0.65	0.82	0.75	0.30	0.53	0.86	0.16	0.03	0.15

Now, people should compare these results with their own recorded
temperature/rainfall/solar hours/etc and would be amaze at the good
correlation between my  TSI and their observed data.

There has been a lot of *bickering* about wordings of forecasts and how to
verify them correctly. The rainfall forecasts must be extremely easy to
understand  and verify. It will all be a simple Yes or No to all forecasts.
0.2mm above or below the range will simply mean incorrect forecasts - no
ifs, no buts about  it! No leeway to forecasts at all.

You are encourage to only use the rainfall forecast range of approx 60-70%
(~1SD) of clim ave. Ie 60-70% of correct if using clim. Any higher (eg 2SD
or 95%  of clim) would be useless to farmers, the major users of our
forecasts, and defeat the whole purpose of this exercise. As I am using
60-70% region, I am expecting to score at least 75/100 'Yes'. Given more
time, and experience, hopefully should be able to sharpen the forecast more
while increasing score to 80+ ? People familar with the Clim of the regions
I have selected should do pretty well.

Forecast area
-------------
The areas I have selected are: Sthn NSW, Wstn NSW, Sthn Qld, Cen WA & Cen
SA. These areas are predominatly farming areas and I have choosen several
different  states (4) and subsections (25) to remove as much of the luck
element as possible. These 25 areas are located inland (except 19 & 21),
which may make them  harder(?) to forecast due to less influence by water.
The forecasts will cover the coming 3 months (Dec to Feb) separately &
together. With 25 different  areas gives a total of 100 forecasts. For each
months, the new update should be avail at least a week before the valid
start date.

The forecast subsections are:
- 70 to 74 (Sthn NSW)
- 46 to 50 (Wstn NSW)
- 41 to 45 (Sthn Qld)
- 7, 7A, 10, 12 & 13 (Cen WA)
- 16, 17 19 20 & 21 (Cen SA)

Visual map of these areas can be seen at at:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/rain_districts.shtml

Fees & Refund
-------------
For a very strictly limited time, my forecasts can be purchase for $AUS
$99.99 + GST per month. This is 50 % off the retail price! I will include a
set of  stainless steel steak knife, only if you use your credit card and
call in the next hour. Phone 1900 WX FORECAST. What's more, my forecasts
have a guarrantee.  If your area is wrong, I will refund DOUBLE the fee that
you pay to me. How many people can guarrantee this?


MY FORECASTS
------------
District	Dec		Jan		Feb		All 3
	Low	Hi	Low	Hi	Low	Hi	Low	Hi
71	25	75	25	80	30	90	100	220		80	245
72	15	60	15	65	20	75	50	190		50	200
73	15	55	15	60	20	65	50	155		50	180
74	5	45	5	50	8	55	20	125		18	150
75	2	35	5	40	5	50	15	95		12	125

46	2	30	2	30	5	35	8	80		9	95
47	2	25	2	25	5	30	8	65		9	80
48	10	50	10	55	15	60	45	130		35	165
49	5	40	5	45	5	50	15	110		15	135
50	10	50	15	55	15	65	50	140		40	170

41	50	100	50	110	55	120	170	275		155	330
42	25	95	30	105	35	110	100	250		90	310
43	25	85	30	100	35	105	100	240		90	290
44	20	60	20	65	25	80	75	175		65	205
45	10	50	15	55	15	60	50	130		40	165

7	5	30	5	35	5	40	20	95		15	105
7A	2	25	2	25	5	25	10	55		9	75
10	1	25	1	25	2	25	5	50		4	75
12	2	25	5	30	5	35	15	65		12	90
13	2	40	5	45	5	50	15	110		12	135

16	2	25	2	25	2	25	8	55		6	75
17	2	30	2	35	2	35	8	75		6	100
19	2	30	2	35	2	35	8	75		6	100
20	2	30	2	30	2	30	8	70		6	90
21	2	30	5	35	5	35	15	75		12	100

*note:may need to change some value only if found to have made a typo
somewhere or glaring error.


Verification
------------
I am hoping someone will verify my forecasts & others (James?) so no one can
be accussed of being biased in any way. Rainfall amount should be taken as
the  average of at least 3 recognised weather stations or the average value
for the area as published by the BoM located here:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi


Discussion
----------
Although most of this email is in jest, my forecasts are quite real &
serious. In reality, my forecasts have come from:
BoM analogues & SOI data. NCC Seasonal Climate Outlook. Also used some
international models.


- Will try something similar with temperature in the near future.


If anyone has any queries for me, will reply when back on Sat.

Oh yeah...in case you didn't realise it already, i was only *half joking
about using butterflies. But it get your attention, didn't it? :)



Tuan (Melbourne)


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<DIV>dont forget the&nbsp; " hold the map upside down, back to front, look at it in the mirror, left toe in right ear, finger up the bum singing up there cazaly " method.</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Hi All,<BR><BR>Here is an interesting challenge for everyone to try. As suggested by some<BR>in the heated 'long range forecasting' debate, don't criticise the method<BR>without valid proof and that people should do some forecasting themselves so<BR>methods &amp; results could be compared.<BR><BR>The actual challenge is to see if anyone, using any method they wish, can<BR>consistently beat climatology at predicting rainfall amount in several<BR>districts around Aus. The 'Chance or random' method is too easy to beat so<BR>clim is used for comparison.<BR><BR>With absolutely no experience in long term forecasting, my advantage in this<BR>areas should be the same with most people on this list (next to nothing!). I<BR>am hoping that other people see my forecasting methods and forecasts, and<BR>try it themselves - both professional &amp; weather enthusiasts alike. I am also<BR>aiming to encourage long range forecasters to improve their wordings so no<BR>ambiguerity with users of their products and when it comes to verification.<BR><BR><BR>Forecast Method<BR>---------------<BR>My long range forecasts will be based on a special index that I have<BR>developed - called Tuan's Special Index (TSI). This TSI is based on a<BR>multiple regression equation with no less than 16 parameters in it (:Wow!).<BR><BR>Some of the independent variables include:<BR>-SOI -Sunspots -Moon -Stars -Cricket chirps -Tea leaves<BR>-$A vs $US -Current Julian day -location of forecasts<BR>- PI -various others<BR><BR>I believe this equation will give me supperior forecasts to the<BR>BoM(traditional method), Ken (mainly moon), Indigo-Hayden (mainly sunspots)<BR>and others. After all, I am taking into account everything, and more, these<BR>three groups are saying is the most important factors in determining their<BR>long range forecasts :).<BR><BR>Perhaps the *clinching* variable that I have included in my equation, that<BR>no one else has discussed at all, is the flapping of the butterfly's wing in<BR>Sth America. After all, everyone Re aus-wx Long-range Rain for.ems
knows that the flapping by butterflys over<BR>there is responsible for ALL the TCs that occur in the Aus region ;) !<BR><BR><BR>Historic Results<BR>----------------<BR>Using my TSI, I have calculated the following results for the last 5 years<BR>over SE Aus<BR><BR>Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec<BR>1998 0.82 0.19 0.16 0.36 0.83 0.33 0.83 0.07 0.77 0.19 0.70 0.30<BR>1999 0.47 0.22 0.87 0.96 0.16 0.81 0.07 0.02 0.93 0.49 0.83 0.02<BR>2000 0.43 0.99 0.40 0.91 0.74 0.28 0.06 0.17 0.68 0.37 0.82 0.19<BR>2001 0.31 0.21 0.99 0.71 0.76 0.31 0.06 0.55 0.93 0.62 0.04 0.82<BR>2002 0.25 0.65 0.82 0.75 0.30 0.53 0.86 0.16 0.03 0.15<BR><BR>Now, people should compare these results with their own recorded<BR>temperature/rainfall/solar hours/etc and would be amaze at the good<BR>correlation between my TSI and their observed data.<BR><BR>There has been a lot of *bickering* about wordings of forecasts and how to<BR>verify them correctly. The rainfall forecasts must be extremely easy to<BR>understand and verify. It will all be a simple Yes or No to all forecasts.<BR>0.2mm above or below the range will simply mean incorrect forecasts - no<BR>ifs, no buts about it! No leeway to forecasts at all.<BR><BR>You are encourage to only use the rainfall forecast range of approx 60-70%<BR>(~1SD) of clim ave. Ie 60-70% of correct if using clim. Any higher (eg 2SD<BR>or 95% of clim) would be useless to farmers, the major users of our<BR>forecasts, and defeat the whole purpose of this exercise. As I am using<BR>60-70% region, I am expecting to score at least 75/100 'Yes'. Given more<BR>time, and experience, hopefully should be able to sharpen the forecast more<BR>while increasing score to 80+ ? People familar with the Clim of the regions<BR>I have selected should do pretty well.<BR><BR>Forecast area<BR>-------------<BR>The areas I have selected are: Sthn NSW, Wstn NSW, Sthn Qld, Cen WA &amp; Cen<BR>SA. These areas are predominatly farming areas and I have choosen several<BR>different states (4) and subsections (25) to remove as mucRe aus-wx Long-range Rain for.ems
h of the luck<BR>element as possible. These 25 areas are located inland (except 19 &amp; 21),<BR>which may make them harder(?) to forecast due to less influence by water.<BR>The forecasts will cover the coming 3 months (Dec to Feb) separately &amp;<BR>together. With 25 different areas gives a total of 100 forecasts. For each<BR>months, the new update should be avail at least a week before the valid<BR>start date.<BR><BR>The forecast subsections are:<BR>- 70 to 74 (Sthn NSW)<BR>- 46 to 50 (Wstn NSW)<BR>- 41 to 45 (Sthn Qld)<BR>- 7, 7A, 10, 12 &amp; 13 (Cen WA)<BR>- 16, 17 19 20 &amp; 21 (Cen SA)<BR><BR>Visual map of these areas can be seen at at:<BR><A href="http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/rain_districts.shtml">http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/rain_districts.shtml</A><BR><BR>Fees &amp; Refund<BR>-------------<BR>For a very strictly limited time, my forecasts can be purchase for $AUS<BR>$99.99 + GST per month. This is 50 % off the retail price! I will include a<BR>set of stainless steel steak knife, only if you use your credit card and<BR>call in the next hour. Phone 1900 WX FORECAST. What's more, my forecasts<BR>have a guarrantee. If your area is wrong, I will refund DOUBLE the fee that<BR>you pay to me. How many people can guarrantee this?<BR><BR><BR>MY FORECASTS<BR>------------<BR>District Dec Jan Feb All 3<BR>Low Hi Low Hi Low Hi Low Hi<BR>71 25 75 25 80 30 90 100 220 80 245<BR>72 15 60 15 65 20 75 50 190 50 200<BR>73 15 55 15 60 20 65 50 155 50 180<BR>74 5 45 5 50 8 55 20 125 18 150<BR>75 2 35 5 40 5 50 15 95 12 125<BR><BR>46 2 30 2 30 5 35 8 80 9 95<BR>47 2 25 2 25 5 30 8 65 9 80<BR>48 10 50 10 55 15 60 45 130 35 165<BR>49 5 40 5 45 5 50 15 110 15 135<BR>50 10 50 15 55 15 65 50 140 40 170<BR><BR>41 50 100 50 110 55 120 170 275 155 330<BR>42 25 95 30 105 35 110 100 250 90 310<BR>43 25 85 30 100 35 105 100 240 90 290<BR>44 20 60 20 65 25 80 75 175 65 205<BR>45 10 50 15 55 15 60 50 130 40 165<BR><BR>7 5 30 5 35 5 40 20 95 15 105<BR>7A 2 25 2 25 5 25 10 55 9 75<BR>10 1 25 1 25 2 25 5 50Re aus-wx Long-range Rain for.ems
 4 75<BR>12 2 25 5 30 5 35 15 65 12 90<BR>13 2 40 5 45 5 50 15 110 12 135<BR><BR>16 2 25 2 25 2 25 8 55 6 75<BR>17 2 30 2 35 2 35 8 75 6 100<BR>19 2 30 2 35 2 35 8 75 6 100<BR>20 2 30 2 30 2 30 8 70 6 90<BR>21 2 30 5 35 5 35 15 75 12 100<BR><BR>*note:may need to change some value only if found to have made a typo<BR>somewhere or glaring error.<BR><BR><BR>Verification<BR>------------<BR>I am hoping someone will verify my forecasts &amp; others (James?) so no one can<BR>be accussed of being biased in any way. Rainfall amount should be taken as<BR>the average of at least 3 recognised weather stations or the average value<BR>for the area as published by the BoM located here:<BR><A href="http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi">http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi</A><BR><BR><BR>Discussion<BR>----------<BR>Although most of this email is in jest, my forecasts are quite real &amp;<BR>serious. In reality, my forecasts have come from:<BR>BoM analogues &amp; SOI data. NCC Seasonal Climate Outlook. Also used some<BR>international models.<BR><BR><BR>- Will try something similar with temperature in the near future.<BR><BR><BR>If anyone has any queries for me, will reply when back on Sat.<BR><BR>Oh yeah...in case you didn't realise it already, i was only *half joking<BR>about using butterflies. But it get your attention, didn't it? :)<BR><BR><BR><BR>Tuan (Melbourne)<BR><BR><BR>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<BR>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail <A href="mailto:to:majordomo at world.std.com">to:majordomo at world.std.com</A><BR>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your<BR>message.<BR><A href="mailto: -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------">-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------</A><BR><BR>. </TD></TR>
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From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Long range forecasts
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:25:20 +1030
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<DIV><FONT size=2>We shall see...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At the moment the 22nd is looking like the day to fall exactly 
between 2 troughs bringing rain. The latest trough produced widespread rain 
here&nbsp;19th and 20th, although not that much fell in Alice Springs itself - 
about 12mm. Should bring some relief to interior Qld. when it gets 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Duncan</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Alice Springs, N.T.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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  pm</DIV>
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  <DIV>On my website since last month</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>"Alice Springs may get rain on 22nd.."</FONT></DIV>
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    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A href="mailto:patricktobin at ozemail.com.au" 
    title=patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>Patrick Tobin</A> </DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 
    10:27 PM</DIV>
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    forecasts</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy - I don't know where you can start, 
    but I did hear an interview on ABC local radio this afternoon saying that 
    there was a 70 year old prediction (from under the floorboards) that Alice 
    Springs will get a deluge tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As I watch yet another rainband fall apart 
    before it gets to Canberra (despite some models consistently predicting at 
    least 15mm from this one - AVN, GASP and NOGAPS all held out hopes of decent 
    falls), I think all human predictions have some way to go. It seems that the 
    models are having trouble accounting for the obviously strong rain 
    suppression regime that is currently in place over SE 
Australia.</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Patrick</FONT></DIV>
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      <A href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au" title=bussie at netc.net.au>Bussy</A> 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 20, 2002 
      7:31 PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Long range 
      forecasts</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've heard lots of long range weather 
      forecast stories just lately of the breaking of the drought. One for today 
      (20th), another for the 23rd etc.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not poking fun of anyone who made these 
      predictions but what areas were they for.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Apparently from what I can gather the one for 
      the 20th was from Lennox Walker which was predicted in 1950 someone 
      said?!?!</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But what part of Australia were these 
      predictions for? The areas "they" lived in or the whole 
      country.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I mean is, I can say it's gunna be dry 
      here next week and I may be correct, but in Darwin, say they may get 
      torrential rain.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am interested in Lennox Walker's and Indigo 
      Jones' predictions as I have never seen them and would like 
      too.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyone know where I can start?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: rain coming
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:31:05 +1100
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See below for details....

Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow for
the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS titled
"Melbourne"....

Cheers,

Macca

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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
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Melbourne potential for rain in November
14th pm-17th am
23rd am - 25th am
27th pm - 28th pm
otherwise mostly dry

Ken Ring
www.predictweather.com

Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
month for Melbourne?


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> At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
>
>
> > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to see
how
> > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
"closest
> >to
> > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will be
> > > interesting to see what happens.
> >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give you
> >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by anyone
> >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine. But
we
> >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to be
> >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a bit
of
> >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet day?
> >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
from
> >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
>
> OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the year,
> though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy rain
> days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> recall the exact figures).
>
> Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
>
> I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vkradio.com
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:40:58 +1100 (EST)
From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Splitting cell north of Perth?
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Hey all

A bit of activity on the Perth radar at the moment!
The 256km radar shows a nice cell splitting about 150km north of Perth.
The 00Z sounding did show some not too bad wind shear.


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At 03:33 PM 21/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>I believe this equation will give me supperior forecasts to the
>BoM(traditional method), Ken (mainly moon), Indigo-Hayden (mainly sunspots)
>and others. After  all, I am taking into account everything, and more, these
>three groups are saying is the most important factors in determining their
>long range forecasts :).

Interesting experiment.  I can see it coming down to the various weighting 
factors.  Get those wrong, and you could be consistently worse than 
traditional methods. :)

>Perhaps the *clinching* variable that I have included in my equation, that
>no one else has discussed at all, is the flapping of the butterfly's wing in
>Sth  America. After all, everyone knows that the flapping by butterflys over
>there is responsible for ALL the TCs that occur in the Aus region ;) !

LOL :-)  Chaos reigns supreme....

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Ever heard of the word "pedantic..."

Ken could similarly argue that "Melbourne" encompasses all CBD area and
Melbourne City Council areas. Was there rain recorded there?

Pedantic posts like these do not further anyones point of view......

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:01 PM
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> See below for details....
>
> Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow for
> the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS
titled
> "Melbourne"....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Macca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:44 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> Melbourne potential for rain in November
> 14th pm-17th am
> 23rd am - 25th am
> 27th pm - 28th pm
> otherwise mostly dry
>
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
>
> Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
> month for Melbourne?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> > At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to
see
> how
> > > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
> "closest
> > >to
> > > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will be
> > > > interesting to see what happens.
> > >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give
you
> > >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by
anyone
> > >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine.
But
> we
> > >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to
be
> > >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a
bit
> of
> > >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet
day?
> > >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
> from
> > >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
> >
> > OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> > 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the year,
> > though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy
rain
> > days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> > etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> > recall the exact figures).
> >
> > Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> > rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
> >
> > I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Extremely interesting!! I dont recall seeing a storm split around perth on
radar so clearly before!

Hope the WA chasers are out and about! this could be a big event!

Matt Smith

Robert Goler wrote:

> Hey all
>
> A bit of activity on the Perth radar at the moment!
> The 256km radar shows a nice cell splitting about 150km north of Perth.
> The 00Z sounding did show some not too bad wind shear.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
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> PO Box 28M
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> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
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<x-flowed>
Hello all,

Having done the study myself, it seems what I would have looked for was 
more carnage in terms of the trees and so on but a fair few trees were 
uprooted with some snapped. The forest region was also not full thick 
forest but moderate (lots of daylight shining through. As to the hourse, 
the walls of the house and the internal damage was not consistent with F3 
but again it depends on the strength of the house. What I mean internal 
damage allowed for walls to remain intact whereas I would have anticipated 
western section of the house to be crushed and the eastern side to remain 
less damaged for F3 status. I would not say the house was that strong 
considering the roof was lifted right off. As mentioned by Ezza's boyfriend 
who is an engineer? the walls broke at the weakest point and based on wind 
flow dynamics would have aided in those brick walls to be collpased. Had 
the corner on the western side caved in then I would have definitely said 
F3 as this represents strength. I also believe though I would have to view 
the footage again that the path width was more consistently 100 metres wide 
or thereabouts. Of course, this is only my assessment and logic behind it 
but I would like to see other's who have viewed it to comment their views.

Jimmy Deguara




At 08:35 PM 19/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>I finally typed up a report about the October 13 Niangala Tornado (NSW)
>for anyone intrested in a bit of reading about one of the more
>significant aussie tornadoes in recent times.
>
>http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/October13tornado.htm
>
>I will get around to witness accounts another time.
>Enjoy.
>
>Matthew Smith
>http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Hey mate!  Just check out that equation again!
You forgot to mention our pet butterfly, Marvin, who lives outside our 
bedroom window on the 17th floor here in Hong Kong.  He successfully kept 
typhoons out of Hong Kong for the whole of this season (except for 
Typhoon Hagupit which came while he took his annual leave - we recalled 
him from leave in time to prevent a direct hit).
You must admit such a powerful set of wings must have significant effects 
especially on WA (same time zone), maybe a little less weighting for NT 
and SA (one and a half hours ahead), and maybe a little less weighting 
again for QLD, NSW, VIC and TAS (two hours ahead).
Don't the Kiwis even allow the Marvin effect in their forecasting?

Phil
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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:33:42 +1100
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> Hi All,
> 
[snip]
> Perhaps the *clinching* variable that I have included in my equation,
> that
> no one else has discussed at all, is the flapping of the butterfly's
> wing in
> Sth  America. After all, everyone knows that the flapping by butterflys
> over
> there is responsible for ALL the TCs that occur in the Aus region ;) !
[snip]
> 
> Tuan (Melbourne)
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Oh?  I saved the following post:

      Melbourne

     Possible shower


(that's from ABCNews Online for 17th November)

Even if it didn't rain, and I wasn't all over that place so don't know, the
potential was obviously there or the ABC wouldn't have written that.
Potential is all I am concerned with. I am claiming that potential is what
the moon arranges. I make no other claim. If you think I do then I have not
been careful enough with my wording. And even though they don't say so in so
many words, I believe all forecasting agencies are only claiming potential
too.

In July I said that you'd have to wait till November to see some rain. I
meant potential. I think that it's pretty clear that this month has seen
more POSSIBLE rain than in the months between July and now. Already I
believe I did more than the BoM could do. In fact quite the opposite. Those
BoM people in this list told me how stupid my claim of dryness till November
was. Go back and see David Jones's reply to my post of 24/7/02.
regards
Ken


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> See below for details....
>
> Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow for
> the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS
titled
> "Melbourne"....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Macca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:44 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> Melbourne potential for rain in November
> 14th pm-17th am
> 23rd am - 25th am
> 27th pm - 28th pm
> otherwise mostly dry
>
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
>
> Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
> month for Melbourne?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> > At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to
see
> how
> > > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
> "closest
> > >to
> > > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will be
> > > > interesting to see what happens.
> > >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give
you
> > >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by
anyone
> > >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine.
But
> we
> > >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to
be
> > >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a
bit
> of
> > >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet
day?
> > >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
> from
> > >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
> >
> > OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> > 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the year,
> > though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy
rain
> > days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> > etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> > recall the exact figures).
> >
> > Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> > rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
> >
> > I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > http://vkradio.com
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We can do better than that. We have Painted Apple Moth effect, whereby one
or two critters flapping under the mangroves can bring on an artificial
typhoon in the shape of a plague of aeroplanes spewing poison over 5,000
homes. Betcha Marvin couldn't beat that..(g)
Ken

> Don't the Kiwis even allow the Marvin effect in their forecasting?
> Phil
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Hi Robert and all,

I was on that cell and it wasnt that great.  The split cell on the eastern
side was a tiny little affair, although it did look quite pretty.

The western split was a lot better and I filmed a nice lowering) (non
rotating) on the NW flank that lasted a couple of minutes.

The best bit was the lightning show on the drive home.

cheers,

John Roenfeldt
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>
> Hey all
>
> A bit of activity on the Perth radar at the moment!
> The 256km radar shows a nice cell splitting about 150km north of Perth.
> The 00Z sounding did show some not too bad wind shear.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
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>
> School of Mathematical Sciences
> PO Box 28M
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
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.............sigh............  not to be  :-(


> Extremely interesting!! I dont recall seeing a storm split around perth on
> radar so clearly before!
>
> Hope the WA chasers are out and about! this could be a big event!
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And you must also take into account that the earth spins at approximately
1,000 mph and therefore it should be really windy. (In theory). And gravity
must really suck as we should all get thrown off into space....
Where's my medication....



> Hey mate!  Just check out that equation again!
> You forgot to mention our pet butterfly, Marvin, who lives outside our
> bedroom window on the 17th floor here in Hong Kong.  He successfully kept
> typhoons out of Hong Kong for the whole of this season (except for
> Typhoon Hagupit which came while he took his annual leave - we recalled
> him from leave in time to prevent a direct hit).
> You must admit such a powerful set of wings must have significant effects
> especially on WA (same time zone), maybe a little less weighting for NT
> and SA (one and a half hours ahead), and maybe a little less weighting
> again for QLD, NSW, VIC and TAS (two hours ahead).
> Don't the Kiwis even allow the Marvin effect in their forecasting?
>
> Phil



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How did I know there would be just another excuse.....

You were happy to post to the list when your "mooncast" for Alice Springs
came true but then when someone posts some information to show otherwise for
another location there is just another excuse....."OH BUT THE POTENTIAL WAS
THERE".....

Geeze - given your forecasting parameters, Ken, (of which seems to be ever
growing) you could basically say I think its going to rain every day of the
year and still not be wrong!

Macca



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Oh?  I saved the following post:

      Melbourne

     Possible shower


(that's from ABCNews Online for 17th November)

Even if it didn't rain, and I wasn't all over that place so don't know, the
potential was obviously there or the ABC wouldn't have written that.
Potential is all I am concerned with. I am claiming that potential is what
the moon arranges. I make no other claim. If you think I do then I have not
been careful enough with my wording. And even though they don't say so in so
many words, I believe all forecasting agencies are only claiming potential
too.

In July I said that you'd have to wait till November to see some rain. I
meant potential. I think that it's pretty clear that this month has seen
more POSSIBLE rain than in the months between July and now. Already I
believe I did more than the BoM could do. In fact quite the opposite. Those
BoM people in this list told me how stupid my claim of dryness till November
was. Go back and see David Jones's reply to my post of 24/7/02.
regards
Ken


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: rain coming


> See below for details....
>
> Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow for
> the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS
titled
> "Melbourne"....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Macca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:44 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> Melbourne potential for rain in November
> 14th pm-17th am
> 23rd am - 25th am
> 27th pm - 28th pm
> otherwise mostly dry
>
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
>
> Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
> month for Melbourne?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> > At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to
see
> how
> > > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
> "closest
> > >to
> > > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will be
> > > > interesting to see what happens.
> > >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give
you
> > >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by
anyone
> > >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine.
But
> we
> > >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to
be
> > >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a
bit
> of
> > >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet
day?
> > >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
> from
> > >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
> >
> > OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> > 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the year,
> > though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy
rain
> > days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> > etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> > recall the exact figures).
> >
> > Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> > rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
> >
> > I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
> >
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From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:41:53 +1100
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Paul - posts like this from you are just as pedantic.  Your input here was
not required - next time you have a brain fart like this, perhaps keep it to
yourself.  Providing Ken with more forecasting parameters is what we all
want isn't it.....

Ken - Can you please identify exactly under what circumstances (if possible
at all) that your forecasts would be considered wrong?

Macca

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Ever heard of the word "pedantic..."

Ken could similarly argue that "Melbourne" encompasses all CBD area and
Melbourne City Council areas. Was there rain recorded there?

Pedantic posts like these do not further anyones point of view......

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:01 PM
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> See below for details....
>
> Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow for
> the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS
titled
> "Melbourne"....
>
> Cheers,
>
> Macca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:44 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> Melbourne potential for rain in November
> 14th pm-17th am
> 23rd am - 25th am
> 27th pm - 28th pm
> otherwise mostly dry
>
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
>
> Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
> month for Melbourne?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> > At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to
see
> how
> > > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
> "closest
> > >to
> > > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will be
> > > > interesting to see what happens.
> > >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give
you
> > >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by
anyone
> > >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine.
But
> we
> > >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to
be
> > >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a
bit
> of
> > >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet
day?
> > >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
> from
> > >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
> >
> > OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> > 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the year,
> > though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy
rain
> > days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> > etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> > recall the exact figures).
> >
> > Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> > rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
> >
> > I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
> >
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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: pedantic and rain.
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>Ever heard of the word "pedantic..."
>
>Ken could similarly argue that "Melbourne" encompasses all CBD area and
>Melbourne City Council areas. Was there rain recorded there?
>
>Pedantic posts like these do not further anyone's point of view......

Come on Paul... get off your high horse. Maybe Ken can define what area
Melbourne is, and thereby make his forecasts more useful.... Then again, you
probably find there is recordable rainfall in "Melbourne" on average on
about 25 days in November, which kinda makes "yes it will rain forecasts"
quite useless.

Anyway, back to the weather, this coming Sunday/Monday looks very promising
for the SE, with high temperature, high dew points, and high total-totals.
Even Melbourne should get a trace or two out of this. Elsewhere, I wouldn't
be surprised to see widespread 5-15+mm falls, possibly heavier.

Regards,

David



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Thats a fair point Macca,

So there is no possiblity of you being wrong, its all good in theory, but 
what about it happening practically?

Cheerio
Karl :)





>From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: rain coming
>Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 07:33:05 +1100
>
>How did I know there would be just another excuse.....
>
>You were happy to post to the list when your "mooncast" for Alice Springs
>came true but then when someone posts some information to show otherwise 
>for
>another location there is just another excuse....."OH BUT THE POTENTIAL WAS
>THERE".....
>
>Geeze - given your forecasting parameters, Ken, (of which seems to be ever
>growing) you could basically say I think its going to rain every day of the
>year and still not be wrong!
>
>Macca
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
>Sent: Thursday, 21 November 2002 11:59 PM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
>Oh?  I saved the following post:
>
>       Melbourne
>
>      Possible shower
>
>
>(that's from ABCNews Online for 17th November)
>
>Even if it didn't rain, and I wasn't all over that place so don't know, the
>potential was obviously there or the ABC wouldn't have written that.
>Potential is all I am concerned with. I am claiming that potential is what
>the moon arranges. I make no other claim. If you think I do then I have not
>been careful enough with my wording. And even though they don't say so in 
>so
>many words, I believe all forecasting agencies are only claiming potential
>too.
>
>In July I said that you'd have to wait till November to see some rain. I
>meant potential. I think that it's pretty clear that this month has seen
>more POSSIBLE rain than in the months between July and now. Already I
>believe I did more than the BoM could do. In fact quite the opposite. Those
>BoM people in this list told me how stupid my claim of dryness till 
>November
>was. Go back and see David Jones's reply to my post of 24/7/02.
>regards
>Ken
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew McDonald" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:31 PM
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: rain coming
>
>
> > See below for details....
> >
> > Melbourne 14th - 17th November (and I think even 13th - 18th to allow 
>for
> > the 24hr error) saw no rain fall in Melbourne - as per the BoM's AWS
>titled
> > "Melbourne"....
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Macca
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
> > Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:44 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
> >
> >
> > Melbourne potential for rain in November
> > 14th pm-17th am
> > 23rd am - 25th am
> > 27th pm - 28th pm
> > otherwise mostly dry
> >
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> >
> > Does anyone have a rundown of monthly average rainfall figures for each
> > month for Melbourne?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 12:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain coming
> >
> >
> > > At 11:40 PM 26/10/2002 +1300, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > OK, name your month for rain in Melbourne.  I'll be interested to
>see
> > how
> > > > > we go.  Maybe all the Melbournites should join in and we have a
> > "closest
> > > >to
> > > > > the pin" competition. :)
> > > > > Seriously, I would like your forecast Ken, this far out, it will 
>be
> > > > > interesting to see what happens.
> > > >Fair enough, Tony. You name a month, anywhere, anytime, and I'll give
>you
> > > >the goods from my perspective. We can compare it with the same by
>anyone
> > > >else, if they have the courage to put it on the table alongside mine.
>But
> > we
> > > >would need to set ground rules at the outset. The rules would have to
>be
> > > >what a "dry" day versus a "wet" one meant, because would a day with a
>bit
> > of
> > > >rain, say overnight whilst mostly dry in the daytime be called a wet
>day?
> > > >Also, which part of a city would we be talking about? I get some data
> > from
> > > >the airport and some from old newspapers columns.
> > >
> > > OK, well, Melbourne (CBD) has an annual average rainfall of around
> > > 660mm.  This rainfall is also fairly evenly spread throughout the 
>year,
> > > though in summer, it tends to be dominated by a small number of heavy
>rain
> > > days, while in winter, it comes in dribs and drabs (showers, drizzle,
> > > etc).  From memory, the airport is a bit drier than the city (I don't
> > > recall the exact figures).
> > >
> > > Doesn't the Bureau consider a "rain day" one with more than 0.2mm
> > > rainfall?  Sounds good enough to me.
> > >
> > > I'm just looking at when the drought might break...
> > >
> > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > > http://vkradio.com
> > >
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From: "Sha" <shambhala at hotkey.net.au>
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I don't have anything concrete on this David, but a neighbour here
(Toogoolawah, near Esk - Brisbane Valley - north-west of Brisbane) said to
me yesterday that she heard that Inigo Jones had predicted there to be a
*deluge* on the 23rd November.  That fits with what you are also hinting at.

It's only hear-say from my part though.  This neighbour is an elderly
farmer's wife ... not a weather buff :)

The weather here currently is bringing in a fair bit of wind and the skies
are starting to cloud.

Love
Sha

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Anyway, back to the weather, this coming Sunday/Monday looks very promising
for the SE, with high temperature, high dew points, and high total-totals.
Even Melbourne should get a trace or two out of this. Elsewhere, I wouldn't
be surprised to see widespread 5-15+mm falls, possibly heavier.

Regards,

David



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Hi every1,

Just checked the latest AVN run and it looks like some seriously low LIs and 
high CAPE values in NSW tomorrow and Sunday!!

The bullseye region with LIs about -6 and CAPE about 2400 is near 34 S and 
147 E (which my trusty Mapquest site tells me is within a bulls-roar of West 
Wyalong.)

Anybody in this area it would be nice to see how this convective bomb 
scenario pans out!

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David wrote
> Anyway, back to the weather, this coming Sunday/Monday looks very
promising
> for the SE, with high temperature, high dew points, and high total-totals.
> Even Melbourne should get a trace or two out of this. Elsewhere, I
wouldn't
> be surprised to see widespread 5-15+mm falls, possibly heavier.

I've already said rain this weekend for Melbourne (23rd-25th and 27th-28th -
posted 27/10/02)so no sudden surprises there, also Tasmania..23rd-26th. For
Sydney, I have said rain 24th-28th, posted 27/10/02 and 18/11/02. That means
mostly dry on the weekend. Very nice to see that the BoM is putting out
extended range forecasts at last in answer to my challenge, even if only to
agree with my forecasts. What a team!  :)
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:07:54 +1100 (EST)
From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Weatherzone visible Oz images
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Hi all

Did anyone save the visible oz (or NSW) sat pics from Weatherzone from 
around midday to 4pm today??

eg, here's the one I have:
http://data.theweather.com.au/access/imageserver.jsp?image=satellite/sat_vis_AUS_latest.jpg

If yay, then could I get a copy of the images?


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  Advice                                                                    
  for people in the following weather forecast districts:                   
                                                                            
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  This advice is valid until 8 pm and it should not be used after this      
  time.                                                                     
                                                                            
  Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of 
  these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones, damaging      
  winds                                                                     
  and very heavy rainfall.                                                  
                                                                            
  At 4:20pm a very large thunderstorm was located just to the               
  west-southwest                                                            
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<DIV><FONT size=2>hi all,<BR><BR>cut a long story short I chased this mornings 
storms down to Wagin and then back up to Brookton to wait fopr the afternoon 
action. Got some great storms and lots of pics and footage. Did over 900kms and 
13.5 hours worth of chasing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Storms&nbsp;had supercellul structure but I could not tell if 
there was rotation or not, so the jury is out on that one.&nbsp; It will be 
interesting to review my footage to see when I can pick any up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Everything else was there though, a nice 
lowering,&nbsp;good flanking line, v-notch, long lasting, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>My photos consist of slides but I did take 
the digital camera and got a couple of shots so you guys would not have to wait 
until the slides are developed.<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial><A 
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>These photos are no where near as good as the 
others I took but they do give you some idea of what the storm looked 
like.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>The morning storm I chased was also very 
interesting.&nbsp; Maybe I can take some stills off the video....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>regards </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>4mm has fallen here at my 
place between Chatswood West &amp; North Ryde in Sydney's Northern Suburbs 
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I thought that today had some potential, but 
these days lately have done completely nothing- so i wasn't holding my breath. 
<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=2>I saw some nice towers go up at about 2pm to the 
south, but nothing closer. There was a lot of junk cu littering the western sky. 
I suspected that the dry layer aloft was providing a pretty nice cap--and i was 
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2>As i drove home from work at about 6pm i 
saw some rather nice towers to the SW. These kept growing, but still didn't 
penetrate the cap. Then at about 6:15pm---booooom. Thar she blows. The cap 
popped and so did my dinner plans.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT>I filmed the storm for around 30 
minutes before the structure really began to get me interested. I saw this 
lovely lowering, and observed old fashion rotation in the middle layers. A few 
inflow bands laters, and i was on the way south.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT>The storm has developed a lovely lp 
shape. However, as Matt pointed out--once it came off the ranges-it died. 
</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Verdana><FONT size=2><FONT>Still some great structure 
:)</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>hi all,<BR><BR>cut a long story short I chased this mornings 
storms down to Wagin and then back up to Brookton to wait fopr the afternoon 
action. Got some great storms and lots of pics and footage. Did over 900kms and 
13.5 hours worth of chasing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Storms&nbsp;had supercellul structure but I could not tell if 
there was rotation or not, so the jury is out on that one.&nbsp; It will be 
interesting to review my footage to see when I can pick any up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>Everything else was there though, a nice 
lowering,&nbsp;good flanking line, v-notch, long lasting, etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>My photos consist of slides but I did take 
the digital camera and got a couple of shots so you guys would not have to wait 
until the slides are developed.<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial><A 
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<DIV><FONT size=2><A href="http://www.inflowimages.com/2.jpg"><FONT 
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>These photos are no where near as good as the 
others I took but they do give you some idea of what the storm looked 
like.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>The morning storm I chased was also very 
interesting.&nbsp; Maybe I can take some stills off the video....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR><BR>regards </DIV>
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Hi all not sure about the concrete sweating but I thinks Phil's answer is  
correct.regarding the fall of leaves we in Canberra have many species 
planted here.I understand it like us is inherited ie Hair colour etc it is 
in the Trees' Genes

Gavin SSWW Canberra ACT





>From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:04:28 +0800
>
>Here in HK, everyone has concrete floors and when humidity reaches 100%
>they always become wet.  Actually they get wet from condensation from
>the air when the humidity passes about 94% or 95%.  When it reaches
>100%, if there is no aircon running, it can appear to be raining
>inside!  Clouds of moisture form indoors, it condenses on the ceiling,
>and then drips to the floors.
>So my guess is very high humidity has caused it.  Do you have a record
>of what the humidity was at the time the concrete was sweating?
>
>Phil
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>From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 01:05:34 -0600
>Subject: aus-wx: Another Question:
>
> > Howdy, hoping all are having a Happy and Safe November:
> >           I may have had this explained to me in time past, but I've
> > forgotten the answer, my question is: What causes pavement/concrete
> > surfaces to "sweat"? Is it due to high humidity? This happens
> > occasionally here.
> >           Thanks for your answers. Wish ya'll could be here to check
> > out our beautiful fall foliage. Oh yes....another question....Would
> > ya'll know what causes tree leaves to change color at different rates?
> > I've seen 2 of the same kind of small trees, about 5 feet apart-a
> > sidewalk between them-one trees leaves have almost fully turned color
> > while the others leaves have just started to turn. I was wondering why
> > the difference in timing.
> >            Again Thanks!      Yours     David (in an Autumn wonderland)
> > Powell
> >
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Hi Blair, a silly question ;What are you doing in Nordic Land? Iguess you 
know we are now officially in Drought in Canberra and have volentary water 
restrictions-first in 30 years!
Gavin OB Canberra






>From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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>Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:19:30 +1100
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A bit of snow in Stockholm in the last 2 days also down to -10c last 
>night
> > and max temp today about -5c or so.
> >
> > To those that have records:
> >
> > In Sweden there has hardly been any precipitation since last March / 
>April.
> > The odd storm in summer.
> >
> > Can anyone find records if Sweden suffered a similar dry spell at the 
>same
> > time OZ did in 82/83 ?
> >
>
>I couldn't find (easily) any current rainfall data from Sweden, but
>could from Finland; Helsinki has had 281mm of rain since the
>beginning of March, which is about 60% of normal for the 8 1/2
>month period. By European standards this is a big departure from
>normal over such an extended period.
>
>In 1982 Stockholm was drier than normal (although only by about 10%),
>and Helsinki was near normal (although that was, in part, due to a very
>wet November). I'm not aware of any known connections between El Nino
>and Scandinavian weather, although a connection has been suggested
>between it and heavy central European summer rains. As flood rains
>in central Europe are often associated with blocking high pressure
>over Scandinavia that hints at a possible El Nino influence
>further north, but I haven't seen that tested in any rigorous
>sense.
>
>(For what it's worth, the summers of 1994 and 1997, particularly
>1994, were hot and dry in Scandinavia. I remember this well because
>I was in Sweden and Norway in July-August 1994 and arrived in
>Stockholm to a succession of mid-30s days - not something they're
>used to! Stockholm is full of lakes and they were certainly
>getting plenty of use...)
>
>As some of you would have seen in the news in the last 24 hours,
>there has been severe flooding in the Swiss Alps, as well as northern
>Scotland (presumably from two different systems). Unlike the August
>event, the southern side of the Alps seem to have copped the brunt of
>it this time, with reports of 48-hour totals in the 400-500mm range
>near the Swiss-Italian border. Extreme short-period rainfall is
>quite common in this area - with the combination of topography and
>copious available water from the still-warm Mediterranean - but
>400 is getting up there. (Once again, August 1994 provided some
>personal fact-finding in this respect :-)
>
>Blair
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  HI All.. Massive rainfalls which lasted about 15 - 20min. Driving down William Street        
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  outages all over Bathurst areas. Rain has now gone.                                          
                                                                                               
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At 06:49 20/11/02 +1100, you wrote:
>That's pretty awesome for this time of year. Also the fact that you got 124
>mm and I've only had 300 here for the whole 11 months :-(
>
>Subject: aus-wx: I Just Thought I would Let you Know


No sign of a drought this side of the ditch, well actually looks like no
sign of a summer either. Oct and November being below average months for
heat. Lots of rain here in ChCh plus hail, tornadoes whatever, you name it.
I can remember posting last year of how boring it was here whilst you
Aussie's could wip up a good storm with a drop of the hat!!
As far as thunderous activity goes, it's quietened down a bit now.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am hoping to publish a rainfall research article 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I want to submit a map of the Sydney and adjacent 
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In reply to some observations, queries etc.

	[Phil Smith]
	>Hey mate!  Just check out that equation again!
	>You forgot to mention our pet butterfly, Marvin, who lives outside our
	>bedroom window on the 17th floor here in Hong Kong.  He successfully kept
	>typhoons out of Hong Kong for the whole of this season (except for
	>Typhoon Hagupit which came while he took his annual leave - we recalled
	>him from leave in time to prevent a direct hit).
An outstanding observation to backup my theory. By having more than one
butterfly, you would observe less TCs (or prevent a direct hit should one
already form nearby) to HK. However, you must keep in mind that 2
butterflies will not give you 2 times the benefits of one butterfly. There
is the law of diminishing returns in force (I.e. You simply can't have 1
zillion butterflies to totally wipe out all TC is your region)


	>You must admit such a powerful set of wings must have significant effects
	>especially on WA (same time zone), maybe a little less weighting for NT
	>and SA (one and a half hours ahead), and maybe a little less weighting
	>again for QLD, NSW, VIC and TAS (two hours ahead).
You are absolutely correct on this point. The butterfly's radius of
influence has a logarithmic decay in both the x (longitude) and y (latitude)
direction which I did not describe previously. I mentioned that butterflies
in Sth America causes TCs in Aus, while you observed that in HK, they
PREVENT TCs. This shows the DIPOLE effect very clearly, which is common in
some met observation with various phenomenon (Sth America is approx opposite
to Aus on the globe!!!). If the butterfly force in Sth Amer is GREATER than
AUS, there is a GREATER risk of TCs in our region of longitude (When force
is +ve, more risk for Aus region). Exactly the same way as the SOI work,
which people are familar with.

For the stormchasers out there, to create more storms, you should send as
many butterflies to Sth Amer as possible to boost their advantage. Must have
a very good story should custom start asking questions about the butterflies
or the feds bust down your door. Using "I am a stormchaser" excuse is NOT
adviced!

Those who are not keen on severe wx stuff (think Sydney metro and the
various hail storm incidents!) You may want to import or breed butterflies
to oppose the forces on the other side of the globe. There are several
additional complications. Firstly, there is the additional decay effect with
latitude not mentioned before. Due to the uneven solar radiation, mid lat
are generally cooler than tropics. Butterflies generally prefer warm climate
and don't work as well in cooler temp. My research indicate that at ~30s,
you would need 10 butterflies to have the same effect as one in the tropics.
At 45s, you would need 100. At 60s, 1000 (if you can keep any alive at this
latitude).

Again, have a good excuse when the feds come for you!

	>Don't the Kiwis even allow the Marvin effect in their forecasting?
They should if they haven't been doing it!


	[Ken Ring wrote]
	>We can do better than that. We have Painted Apple Moth effect, whereby one
	>or two critters flapping under the mangroves can bring on an artificial
	>typhoon in the shape of a plague of aeroplanes spewing poison over 5,000
	>homes. Betcha Marvin couldn't beat that..(g)
Good point Ken. Didn't have time to mention that moths can also
increase/decrease chance of TCs. Moths are generally smaller and thus does
not have as big of an impact as a butterfly. In my 16 parameters multiple
regression eqn, you would have noted that I included PI in it. This is
because the power conversion of Moths & Butterflies is exactly PI. (I.e. for
every one butterfly, you need 3.14159265358979323846 moths to produce the
equivalent power. Even to 20 decimal places, this is still too inaccurate to
use in my equation). As most people already know, a small error in the
initialisation of the equation will lead to very big errors in a few days.
This is the main reason why I generally talk about butterflies and not
moths. Generally public also recognise and admire butterflies more than
moths.


	Tony Langdon (VK3JED)
	>LOL :-)  Chaos reigns supreme....
An understanable thinking but unfortunately incorrect. Chaos is simply what
we don't understand. Scientist has yet to prove that Chaos exists - you can
always filter out patterns from a seemingly chaotic mess. Someone (on the
tip of my tounge!!!) wrote that you can calculate the weather a long way
ahead if you had a really fast computer. I completely agree with him. If you
have a computer a zillion times faster than today, and used all the
satellite/radar to track all butterflies, months, etc extremely accurately
simultaneously, you should be able to produce forecasts a month out as
accurate as +24Hr forecasts we currently enjoy! This is a much easier way
than trying to crunch all those numbers and trying to solve these non-linear
partial differential equations, which has no general solution, and making
lots of potentially fatal assumptions along the way!!!

Anyone else with me?

tuan (melbourne





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	From: "Tuan Phan" <t.phan at bom.gov.au>
	To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
	Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:33:42 +1100
	Subject: aus-wx: Long-range Rain forecast challenge for all

	> Hi All,
	>
	[snip]
	> Perhaps the *clinching* variable that I have included in my equation,
	> that
	> no one else has discussed at all, is the flapping of the butterfly's
	> wing in
	> Sth  America. After all, everyone knows that the flapping by butterflys
	> over
	> there is responsible for ALL the TCs that occur in the Aus region ;) !
	[snip]
	>
	> Tuan (Melbourne)
	[snip]

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I'm confused. Is this about weather, or turkeys and oysters?  :-)




At 11:28 AM 11/24/02 +1100, you wrote:
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<DIV>i'm even more confused, what the hell has the price of oysters got to do with the lack of rain, or is this just jumping on the 'jack the price up bandwagon' coming up to christmas.</DIV>
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Ken Ring predicted sometime ago that there would be a possibility of rain on
November the 22nd. With Ken's rules of error for 1 day each side of the
predicted date, rain did fall in the district within eyesight on the 23rd,
so therefore there was the 'possibility' that rain could have fallen in
township of Alice Springs. 3mm did actually fall in the Bureau's rain guage
at the airport, about 10km south of town. The BOM in their 'outlook'
forecast was for a fine and sunny day for the 22nd and 23rd. Their forecast
for today (24th) was for storms, and currently that is the situation.
But for the 23rd, I guess it's 1 for Ken's prediction, 0 for BOM's forecast.
What puts some doubt over Ken's prediction is that, except for the 22nd,
there has been isolated rain (according to radar) in the Alice Springs
district since 18th November, and probably will remain that way until the
27th November.
Anyway, Ken said he only predicts for the odd date for areas that are
isolated, so on hard facts, along with his prediction for this area in
October, which was correct, Ken has a 100% strike record.
Cheers,
Duncan
Alice Springs, N.T.
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> Here's my end of the bargain.
> regards
> Ken
> www.predictweather.com
>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The article describes Blair Trewin as the 
  country's leading forecaster. This is someone who said (of me) "you should not 
  be allowed to practice... unless you demonstrate professional 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In July I&nbsp;said the drought would last until 
  November(24/7) and I ain't even forecaster in the country. </FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>If predicting the dryness to break in November, back in 
  July, is a measure of incompetency, then all I can say is it's a funny old 
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Oh geeze.....

Do we have to continue with all the b*tching and moaning on here and can we
PLEASE get back to talking about the weather...not who has said what about
someone else and crap like that. This is getting beyond annoying. If you
want to flame each other's means and practices, create another email list
please and leave this one alone to those who actually want to talk about
weather...not compete against each other.

PaulY

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The article describes Blair Trewin as the country's leading forecaster. This
is someone who said (of me) "you should not be allowed to practice... unless
you demonstrate professional competency(18/11)."
In July I said the drought would last until November(24/7) and I ain't even
forecaster in the country. If predicting the dryness to break in November,
back in July, is a measure of incompetency, then all I can say is it's a
funny old world.

http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s733412.htm

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From today's Herald:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697944979.html
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The article describes Blair Trewin as the country's 
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November(24/7) and I ain't even forecaster in the country. </FONT><FONT 
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is a measure of incompetency, then all I can say is it's a funny old 
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Hi Tuan,

..well actually I think that chaos theory probably best describes in the 
macro-world what Quantum Mechanics describes in the pico-world.

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle basically says that the act of 
observation changes the measurements...

If that ain't as good an analogy to the "Butterfly Effect" I'll go he...

:))

Cheers,
Kevin Phyland.



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>	>LOL :-)  Chaos reigns supreme....
>An understanable thinking but unfortunately incorrect. Chaos is simply what
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry about the way off topic but I was watering 
the plants before and found a perfectly white spider. About the same size and 
build of a redback but no stripe. Just pure white. Anyone know what it may 
be?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An Albino perhaps?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have it in a jar at present. Tried taking a picture 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the spider is called a flower spider,they can be 
any colour,an insect visiting the flower for pollen or nectar is seized and 
bitten,then sucked dry.....hope that helps</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry about the way off topic but I was watering 
  the plants before and found a perfectly white spider. About the same size and 
  build of a redback but no stripe. Just pure white. Anyone know what it may 
  be?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An Albino perhaps?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have it in a jar at present. Tried taking a 
  picture but can't get close enough for a clear shot.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We have seen large redbacks that were living in a 
building and they were in of varying fawn shades and with a red stripe 
definitely there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also we did discover a very light specimen near 
where our "favourite" redback colony is in our garden, it had a very very small 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry about the way off topic but I was watering 
  the plants before and found a perfectly white spider. About the same size and 
  build of a redback but no stripe. Just pure white. Anyone know what it may 
  be?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An Albino perhaps?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have it in a jar at present. Tried taking a 
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:40:28 +1100 (EST)
From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Chase to NSW today
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Hey all

I did a chase today with the target area being northern Vic/southern NSW,
and I found a few little cells from around 1pm to 5pm.  I was always on
the southern side of the action, and so structure-wise it wasn't the best
- the amorphous grey of precipitation was aplenty.  I could see a few
hardish looking tops further to the north, and conversing with Macca, it
seemed as though this was from some large cells near Berrigan which got to
pink on the radar.  There was lightning static on the radio, but I didn't
see any for myself.

I did drive through a few rain curtains near the small town of Rennie in
NSW, which turned out to be barely 10-20mm, but it packed a punch with
some very strong gusts of wind, which I estimated at times gusting to
30-40 knots!  Some very impressive walls of dust (a very apt
description!!!) were kicked up and when driving through them, the
visibility was reduced to a few m.  It typically took 10-20 secs to pass.  
There was quite a bit of tree debris on some roads, with one road having
about half a dozen foot-diameter branches strewn across it over a distance
of 1km.  Naturally I had to get out and move them myself in order to get
through!  

It was a pretty good chase even though I didn't see any good cloud 
structure.  I was impressed by the strong winds though.  In all, 837km 
travelled, which goes with my 930km I drove yesterday on a scenic drive 
along the Great Alpine Road.


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> (Richard Modistach)back then you said the drought would last at least
until november, you didn't predict the >dry would actually break in nov.

Richard, I think I did. On 24/7/02 I said "In my opinion not really much to
look forward to immediately. Could be some rain between July 27th-29th but
not a great deal - and I'd expect it to clear again by 30th. I'd be
surprised if Sydney got more than 25mm in August and same for September.
August's rain will be mainly between 6th-9th. October could be lucky to see
10mm, but November, aha, I think you'll see around 40-50mm. Most of that
will be from 16th-24th November."
My inference was that the dryness would be alleviated in November.

> (Duncan)October, which was correct, Ken has a 100% strike record.
Thanks Duncan, much obliged, that's all the feedback I wanted to hear, to
see if I was on track.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think I have done enough to state my case. I'm
moving on as a favour to those who have stated they want to get rid of me.
Clearly what I do makes a lot of people feel uneasy and sadly, no serious
forecasts have appeared to enable us to have a real comparison of methods.
So I can't see much point in my staying on this list.
If anyone wants further longrange information from me I suggest they email
me privately and I'll be more than happy to give anyone my prediction for
any area. I will also discontinue further Australian forecasts from my
website.
I wish you all the very best
regards
Ken
www.predictweather.com


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> Ken Ring predicted sometime ago that there would be a possibility of rain
on
> November the 22nd. With Ken's rules of error for 1 day each side of the
> predicted date, rain did fall in the district within eyesight on the 23rd,
> so therefore there was the 'possibility' that rain could have fallen in
> township of Alice Springs. 3mm did actually fall in the Bureau's rain
guage
> at the airport, about 10km south of town. The BOM in their 'outlook'
> forecast was for a fine and sunny day for the 22nd and 23rd. Their
forecast
> for today (24th) was for storms, and currently that is the situation.
> But for the 23rd, I guess it's 1 for Ken's prediction, 0 for BOM's
forecast.
> What puts some doubt over Ken's prediction is that, except for the 22nd,
> there has been isolated rain (according to radar) in the Alice Springs
> district since 18th November, and probably will remain that way until the
> 27th November.
> Anyway, Ken said he only predicts for the odd date for areas that are
> isolated, so on hard facts, along with his prediction for this area in
> October, which was correct, Ken has a 100% strike record.
> Cheers,
> Duncan
> Alice Springs, N.T.
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Hi all,
 Well I know this is effectively off-topic, but as it mentions dew-points I thought I might get away with it :)

 We are currently looking at a new compressor and this is an excerpt from Company A's email, trying to sway
our decision against Company B's model.

Company A: Offering refrigerated unit
Company B: offering thermal mass model

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Upon reviewing, we note that [company B] state
 "Most applications the ideal dewpoint is +2 to +3 C, in warmer climates +6 to +10C is still acceptable".

This lends towards the unit succumbing to a floating Dewpoint & will mean that in order for the unit to try & maintain 3C, that the unit has to heat up the air again to cut in, therefore becoming a cycling operation. 

This means that the dewpoint must rise (see the 6 to 10C comment above & also note that the technical brochure states power input at max 50C & 10C dewpoint - indicated as footnote 3). Say you an average of 8C at most times.  This means that at any time, without the true dewpoint being constantly maintained (as in our refrigerated type), you will be introducing various quantities of condensate into your system.
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Is this dew-point argument from Company A valid?

Thanks for any enlightenment or comments (assuming there is logic to the argument)

Cheers
Pete


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<DIV>i take it we're talking about an 'air' compressor here?</DIV>
<DIV>what type of compressor is it, reciprocating, hydrovane or screw?</DIV>
<DIV>what&nbsp;operating pressure and volume are we talking about.? </DIV>
<DIV>what application is it being used for.?</DIV>
<DIV>at this stage i can't see what the dewpoint has got to do with the running of the compressor.</DIV>
<DIV>refrigeration units are add on&nbsp;systems to chill the air after it's been compressed to condense and separate the water out of the air, as the air goes into the receiver any temperature rise above the refrigeration point&nbsp;causes the air to be below 100% thus maintaining dry lines.</DIV>
<DIV>refrigeration units can be used on any type of compressor.</DIV>
<DIV>it sounds like they're trying to refrigerate the air before the compressor.</DIV>
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If the Sun-Herald said that about me I'm flattered. Ken, however,
should get his facts a bit straighter, because at no time have I
made any such comment (I presume it was quoted text in a reply I'd
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think it was an El Nino year then too)&nbsp; 42.0 at 3pm. May go higher by the 
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Richmond's 42.1 (assuming that's the final maximum) is the second-
highest on record for November after 25 November 1982 (so it's not
even a date record). 

The 37.9 at Observatory Hill isn't quite as extreme, but is still
the highest since 39.2 in 1988. (There have been two November 40s
there, in 1946 and 1982). 

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:41:42 +1100 (EST)
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Hey all

Does anyone have a working link to that AVN model page which allows you to 
plot all sorts of parameters, eg CAPE, LIs, etc???  The one that normally 
gets me there:
http://sgi62.wwb.noaa.gov:8080/cgi-bin/disp_avn.sh
has gived me a "URL could not be retrieved" error over the past few hours, 
even though it was working yesterday.


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> 
> Hi Blair, a silly question ;What are you doing in Nordic Land? Iguess you 
> know we are now officially in Drought in Canberra and have volentary water 
> restrictions-first in 30 years!
> Gavin OB Canberra
> 

I'm not in Scandinavia at the moment - but I go there reasonably 
regularly in my other life as a competitive orienteer (rather less
competitive this year than usual :-) This means that I had the 
dubious pleasure of experiencing the non-existent summer that Jason
referred to (I'm not sure whether he was talking about 1998 or
2000, but they were both shockers).

By the way, is there any truth in the rumour that one of the earliest
noted breaches of the Canberra water restrictions came in the form
of the sprinklers outside the AFFA building? (AFFA is the government
department responsible, among other things, for federal drought
assistance).

Blair
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Water restrictions. What the?
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:51:51 +1100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This one really gets up my nose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Albury has water restrictions, Corowa has water 
restrictions. South of these, Wodonga doesn't and neither does 
Rutherglen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We all get our water from the same hole. What's 
going on?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, I forgot. Maybe its an election thing that will 
be re-addressed after Saturday, and then we'll be on restrictions 
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Dam levels in Canberra dropped to 58% over the 
weekend, down ~2% in a Fortnight. Forced restricions go into affect when the 
level reaches 55%. So give it a month and we will be into forced restrictions 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This one really gets up my nose.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Albury has water restrictions, Corowa has water 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We all get our water from the same hole. What's 
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all, just a quick note saying that it is 
currently 3:20am and its 27C+, so hard to sleep right now. when will this 
insanity stop???</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If the temp stays above 26.0C then we will have a 
new Record of All time OVERNIGHT temp, i say Overnight because the Min will be 
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:31:46 +1100
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A nice cell moving towards <span
class=SpellE>melb</span>.</span></font></span><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Photoshop overlays of radar show it
should just pass over central </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font size=2
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Hour="9" Minute="7"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:51:21 +1100
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Very humid ATM, 20/17 already one storm through this morning, another couple 
feel possible after this lot come through too.  Lots of AccAs, would like to 
see a few more breaks in the cloud, but this will do :)

Storm on target to hit me.

Karl :)





>From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
>Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:31:46 +1100
>
>A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it
>should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give or
>take a minute or two. :-)
>
>Will have the digital camera at the ready :-)
>
>
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/Melbradar261102.jpg
>
>
>James Holbeach
>--------------------------------
>Trapdoor Ski Club
>Mt. Hotham, Australia
>ph. 0417 553 757
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au <http://www.trapdoor.com.au/>
>--------------------------------
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:19:22 +1100
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Bloody thing slowed down- was travelling  at  76km/h and was on track to
hit right on schedule. Is now looking more like 9:30ish, but look at all
that red!!! :D


James Holbeach
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Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
University of Melbourne, Australia
ph. +61 3 8344 6652
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Very humid ATM, 20/17 already one storm through this morning, another
couple 
feel possible after this lot come through too.  Lots of AccAs, would
like to 
see a few more breaks in the cloud, but this will do :)

Storm on target to hit me.

Karl :)





>From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
>Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:31:46 +1100
>
>A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it
>should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give
or
>take a minute or two. :-)
>
>Will have the digital camera at the ready :-)
>
>
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/Melbradar261102.jpg
>
>
>James Holbeach
>--------------------------------
>Trapdoor Ski Club
>Mt. Hotham, Australia
>ph. 0417 553 757
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au <http://www.trapdoor.com.au/>
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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I have vidcam rdy for a direct hit from Heathcote.
Peter
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>
> Very humid ATM, 20/17 already one storm through this morning, another
couple
> feel possible after this lot come through too.  Lots of AccAs, would like
to
> see a few more breaks in the cloud, but this will do :)
>
> Storm on target to hit me.
>
> Karl :)
>
>
>
>
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> >From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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> >Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
> >Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:31:46 +1100
> >
> >A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it
> >should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give or
> >take a minute or two. :-)
> >
> >Will have the digital camera at the ready :-)
> >
> >
> >http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/Melbradar261102.jpg
> >
> >
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:33:20 +1100
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WOW, that was excellent! Pity I left the USB connector to the camera at
home- will have to put the pics up later this afternoon.

James Holbeach
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University of Melbourne, Australia
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Very humid ATM, 20/17 already one storm through this morning, another
couple 
feel possible after this lot come through too.  Lots of AccAs, would
like to 
see a few more breaks in the cloud, but this will do :)

Storm on target to hit me.

Karl :)





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>
>A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it
>should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give
or
>take a minute or two. :-)
>
>Will have the digital camera at the ready :-)
>
>
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/Melbradar261102.jpg
>
>
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Stinker in Canberra Overnight
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> Hi all, just a quick note saying that it is currently 3:20am and its =
> 27C+, so hard to sleep right now. when will this insanity stop???
> 
> If the temp stays above 26.0C then we will have a new Record of All time =
> OVERNIGHT temp, i say Overnight because the Min will be offcially =
> recorded as 25.5 due to it being that at 9am Monday morning. (thx wiz =
> for the info ;o) )
> 

Ended up at 23.1 after a dip just before 9. This is the 8th highest
24-hour minimum for any month (and the highest since 1983). It's
the second-highest for November after 26.0 on 6 November 1946.
(The 1946 one is an interesting one, though - it's in our database
as a 24-hour minimum but from the hourly temperatures it looks
like it's only an overnight minimum, as it got lower during the
24 hours whether you take the day from 0900 to 0900 or midnight
to midnight - both standards were in use at the time).

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Can anyone explain why Sydney is so much hotter than every where else in
Australia? Especially the Western suburbs. I know they are in like a valley,
but why so much hotter than even Brisbane?

December 1 The Weather Channel will be on Foxtel.
It is about time!



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Depends what you mean by 'so much hotter than everywhere else'. In general
terms there are plenty of places on average hotter than Sydney.
Certain parts of the Hunter Valley and mid north coast often come in with
the highest daily max on individual occasions.
In terms of yesterday's heat, I don't know if Sydney (or more correctly the
western suburbs) was the highest in NSW but it would have a lot to to with
local effects, sea breezes, absence of cloud cover etc.
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> Can anyone explain why Sydney is so much hotter than every where else in
> Australia? Especially the Western suburbs. I know they are in like a
valley,
> but why so much hotter than even Brisbane?
>
> December 1 The Weather Channel will be on Foxtel.
> It is about time!
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Damien,
There are two factors, a hot northwest airflow from the hot inland and a 
compression effect as the air descends from the Central Tablelands to the 
coastal plains. Most of the coast from the Hunter  down to Narooma  had that 
effect yesterday except where the sea breeze was able to penetrate onto the 
coast.I suspect parts of inland Queensland and the Centre would have been 
much hotter.
Gavin Canberra






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>
>Can anyone explain why Sydney is so much hotter than every where else in
>Australia? Especially the Western suburbs. I know they are in like a 
>valley,
>but why so much hotter than even Brisbane?
>
>December 1 The Weather Channel will be on Foxtel.
>It is about time!
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> 
> Depends what you mean by 'so much hotter than everywhere else'. In general
> terms there are plenty of places on average hotter than Sydney.
> Certain parts of the Hunter Valley and mid north coast often come in with
> the highest daily max on individual occasions.
> In terms of yesterday's heat, I don't know if Sydney (or more correctly the
> western suburbs) was the highest in NSW but it would have a lot to to with
> local effects, sea breezes, absence of cloud cover etc.

Penrith appears to have been the hottest place in Australia (not
just NSW) yesterday, although we won't be able to confirm this until the
WA 0900 observations come in in a couple of hours.

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I think it got 42.6 according to the news..here we had 42.5.
If it was the highest it shows the widespread effect of that cloud cover.
Blair, how often could we expect Penrith to be the hottest in Australia on
any one day?
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> >
> > Depends what you mean by 'so much hotter than everywhere else'. In
general
> > terms there are plenty of places on average hotter than Sydney.
> > Certain parts of the Hunter Valley and mid north coast often come in
with
> > the highest daily max on individual occasions.
> > In terms of yesterday's heat, I don't know if Sydney (or more correctly
the
> > western suburbs) was the highest in NSW but it would have a lot to to
with
> > local effects, sea breezes, absence of cloud cover etc.
>
> Penrith appears to have been the hottest place in Australia (not
> just NSW) yesterday, although we won't be able to confirm this until the
> WA 0900 observations come in in a couple of hours.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:19:56 +0000
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It is more a question of adiabatic warming of the north westerly airflow
coming over the great dividing range down into the Sydney Basin.  Since
the ranges are about 1100 metres high, and the basin virtually at about
100 metres, the effective descent is about 1000 metres, which can
produce a 10 degree Celsius temperature rise.
At present, the temperatures the other side of the ranges NW of Sydney
are in the high 20's.  On the top of the range NW of Sydney at 94754 the
altitude is 1130 metres, and the temperature is 24 C.  
The temperature can therefore rise 10 degrees C as the air descends from
1130 metres to say 130 metres, ie, the temperature of the air flowing
down into the basin now can rise from 24 C to 34 C.
If you look at the chart below, and follow the heavy line from NW of
Sydney to Sydney, you will see the warm air of the slopes gradually
adiabatically cooling as it rises up the back of the ranges, is cooler
on top and then warms on descent into Sydney.
Hope that helps.
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OddBits/NorWester.gif
On the chart, the station plot figures are:
left top = Temp dry C
left bottom = Temp dew C
right top = Altitude metres
right bottom = wmo station ID
and the wind barb of course.
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Had a storm pass over here at approximately midday 
which dumped 17mm in about 10 minutes or so. My Wx station shows 360mm/hr 
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Subject: aus-wx: Wycheproof AWASH!!!!!!!!!
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Hi every1,

Well...where to begin...prior to today the total rainfall for the year here 
in Wycheproof had been 141 mm...awful, to say the least.

Today dawned humid but didn't look very promising with mostly Sc and a bit 
of As but the humidity was enough to give me some hope.

By 11 a.m. it had warmed up considerably and started to look very dark to 
the NW - humidity levels had seemed to increase and it was very eerie with 
little wind, dark skies and high humidity...

Well...at noon the whole thing exploded!!! Lightning every ten or so seconds 
was almost totally obscured by what can only be described as a tropical 
cloudburst. In the hour between noon and 1 p.m. I recorded 36 mm. (not bad - 
it increased the annual rainfall total by 25% in an hour!!)

Still raining here atm (1.41 p.m.) and still dark to the west...I just heard 
that a farmer to my west reported 55 mm!!!!

I'm not sure if this welcome drinking water is good news or bad however as 
the SES are currently sandbagging a number of businesses at the foot of Mt. 
Wycheproof (flash flooding never lasts long here - but it sure does move 
fast!!)

School (where I work) got three rooms flooded out and most of the 
mulch/sand/leaf debris in town is now clogging up the storm drains...

However, thought I'd let you know that we finally got some rain!

Cheers,
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> 
> I think it got 42.6 according to the news..here we had 42.5.
> If it was the highest it shows the widespread effect of that cloud cover.
> Blair, how often could we expect Penrith to be the hottest in Australia on
> any one day?
 
I've had a look at the period from 1 January 1998 to the present; in
that time yesterday is the first time that the national high has
occurred in the Sydney area. The only other instances anywhere in
the eastern half of NSW were three at Evans Head during last summer,
and one at Jerrys Plains in March 1998.

The furthest south any other national highs have occurred anywhere
else in that time were a few instances in eastern SA in February
2001 (twice at Lameroo and once at Parafield Airport). Perhaps
the strangest location (given the time of year) was one at Gingin
(not far north of Perth) in June 2000.

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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well it has arrived again. A nice 
rainfall in Bathurst.. winds upto 35 km/h. That nice fresh smell of rain on hot 
roads, dont you love it. Hope Orange area are getting this to dowse those fires 
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From: "Tuan Phan" <t.phan at bom.gov.au>
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Hi Kevin,

You are absolutely right. You were the only one that seem to notice my
slight of hand (and replied anyway!)
The only thing that was completely genuine in my posts on this topic was my
forecasts for the various areas!

Just wanted to see how far I could go with the butterfly stuff. Well, if
lots of people believe alternative methods such as using the moon & sunspots
etc, I may as well give my (insane/stupid/etc) theory a shot. :)

You know what they say, "to con someone, don't offer them 10% return on
their money. Start at 1000% return p.a. with absolutely no risk whatso ever.
This figure is more believable than 10%!"

Cheers,
tuan


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Hi Tuan,

..well actually I think that chaos theory probably best describes in the
macro-world what Quantum Mechanics describes in the pico-world.

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle basically says that the act of
observation changes the measurements...

If that ain't as good an analogy to the "Butterfly Effect" I'll go he...

:))

Cheers,
Kevin Phyland.



>	Tony Langdon (VK3JED)
>	>LOL :-)  Chaos reigns supreme....
>An understanable thinking but unfortunately incorrect. Chaos is simply what
>we don't understand. Scientist has yet to prove that Chaos exists - you can
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Listening to radio scanner, prev 
storm has brought down trees in my immediate area. Another storm about to head 
down on us. I can see it from the west. Very dusty brown clouds. Looking very 
nasty. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well keep posted 
</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Carroll</A> </DIV>
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href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie Weather</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Bathurst Rain</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well it has arrived again. A nice 
rainfall in Bathurst.. winds upto 35 km/h. That nice fresh smell of rain on hot 
roads, dont you love it. Hope Orange area are getting this to dowse those fires 
around CUDAL. HEard many choppers on radio scanner last night arriving for 
bushfire fighting. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Patchy storms
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See Wangaratta had 54.2mm today. I'm 40k north of 
there and had 19.6mm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>48mm of Wangaratta's rainfall fell between 4 and 5 
I think this arvo and I wouldn't doubt it a bit. It was one of the heaviest 
looking downpour's I've seen for a long time. I watched the storms as I drove my 
school bus around the area just north of there. Of course I was concentrating. 
Driver Under Instruction boards should be mandatory when there are storms, along 
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At 08:31 AM 26/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it 
>should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give or 
>take a minute or two. J

Nice wicked cell in Melb just after 9AM :-)  Pity there's so few windows in 
the orifice. :(

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Bussy emailed me earlier re the 
storm damage at Myrtleford/Beechworth. Appar the Myrtleford Kindagarten was 
destroyed, along with other damage in the area</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Anyone have more news on 
this.&nbsp; BOM mentioned possible tornado. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=bussie at netc.net.au href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">Bussy</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:50 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Patchy storms</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See Wangaratta had 54.2mm today. I'm 40k north of 
  there and had 19.6mm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>48mm of Wangaratta's rainfall fell between 4 and 
  5 I think this arvo and I wouldn't doubt it a bit. It was one of the heaviest 
  looking downpour's I've seen for a long time. I watched the storms as I drove 
  my school bus around the area just north of there. Of course I was 
  concentrating. Driver Under Instruction boards should be mandatory when there 
  are storms, along with a driver of course.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Some Pictures: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:09:11 +1100
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Here are some photos and a brief movie of this mornings storm in melb.
pics are about 100kb in size.

A view of the storm down Flemington Rd  at  8:55am
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010007.jpg 

The storm in progress . . . 
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010009.jpg 

http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010015.jpg 

http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010016.jpg 

and the movie {7.4Mb- only if u r on cable :) }
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/P1010017.MOV 

Cheers

James

James Holbeach
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Trapdoor Ski Club 
Mt. Hotham, Australia
ph. 0417 553 757
http://www.trapdoor.com.au
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At 08:31 AM 26/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:

>A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it 
>should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give
or 
>take a minute or two. J

Nice wicked cell in Melb just after 9AM :-)  Pity there's so few windows
in 
the orifice. :(

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From: "Liz Kennedy" <beth511 at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bathurst Rain
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lucky you Dave, we got about 2 minutes worth of 
drops! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Enjoy this mornings freshness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Beth</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tamworth</FONT></DIV>
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  <A href="mailto:davidkc at hotkey.net.au" title=davidkc at hotkey.net.au>David 
  Carroll</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>Aussie Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:44 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fw: aus-wx: Bathurst Rain</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Listening to radio scanner, prev 
  storm has brought down trees in my immediate area. Another storm about to head 
  down on us. I can see it from the west. Very dusty brown clouds. Looking very 
  nasty. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well keep posted 
  </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:davidkc at hotkey.net.au" title=davidkc at hotkey.net.au>David 
  Carroll</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>Aussie Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 6:17 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Bathurst Rain</DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Well it has arrived again. A 
  nice rainfall in Bathurst.. winds upto 35 km/h. That nice fresh smell of rain 
  on hot roads, dont you love it. Hope Orange area are getting this to dowse 
  those fires around CUDAL. HEard many choppers on radio scanner last night 
  arriving for bushfire fighting. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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From: "Sha" <shambhala at hotkey.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Patchy storms
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David.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Papyrus color=#000080 size=4><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
color=#000000 size=3><STRONG><FONT size=4>Myrtleford storm damage may cost 
millions<BR></FONT></STRONG><BR>The north-east Victorian town of Myrtleford has 
been badly hit by<BR>today's storms, with damage expected to run into the 
millions.<BR><BR>Teams of State Emergency Service (SES) personnel are being 
brought in<BR>from a wide area to help with the clean-up.<BR><BR>A construction 
worker has been injured when a building he was working on<BR>partly collapsed in 
the wild winds, which accompanied the rain and hail.<BR><BR>The SES estimates 
about 30 buildings have been damaged, including a<BR>kindergarten and water 
pumping station.<BR><BR>However, shire officials put the total at more like 
50.<BR><BR>High voltage power lines are still down, hampering clean up 
efforts.<BR><BR>Emergency accommodation has been arranged at a caravan park for 
people<BR>who cannot stay in their homes.<BR><BR>The council says it will begin 
a major clean-up of street debris<BR>tomorrow.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Carroll</A> </DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Bussy emailed me earlier re the 
storm damage at Myrtleford/Beechworth. Appar the Myrtleford Kindagarten was 
destroyed, along with other damage in the area</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Anyone have more news on 
this.&nbsp; BOM mentioned possible tornado. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Dave</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 26, 2002 7:50 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>See Wangaratta had 54.2mm today. I'm 40k north of 
  there and had 19.6mm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>48mm of Wangaratta's rainfall fell between 4 and 
  5 I think this arvo and I wouldn't doubt it a bit. It was one of the heaviest 
  looking downpour's I've seen for a long time. I watched the storms as I drove 
  my school bus around the area just north of there. Of course I was 
  concentrating. Driver Under Instruction boards should be mandatory when there 
  are storms, along with a driver of course.</FONT></DIV>
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney 'scorcher'
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> 
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> > Having the hottest November day in 20 years (I think it was an El Nino =
> > year then too)  42.0 at 3pm. May go higher by the looks of it.
> 
> Richmond's 42.1 (assuming that's the final maximum) is the second-
> highest on record for November after 25 November 1982 (so it's not
> even a date record). 
> 
> The 37.9 at Observatory Hill isn't quite as extreme, but is still
> the highest since 39.2 in 1988. (There have been two November 40s
> there, in 1946 and 1982). 
> 

Observatory Hill got to 37.9 on Tuesday, too. This makes two 
successive days over 100 F (37.8 C), only the third time this has
happened at that site in 144 years of record (after 4-5/1/1946 and
25-28/1/1960).

Blair
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From: "stephen galowski" <sgalow at ihug.com.au>
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it seems to me that brisbane will have a scorcher today 
it is already verry muggy and hot  at  10:59 am on wednesday 
here is the current reading  from my weather station 

temperature :  30.772
barometer  : 1011.83 hpa
humidity  40.
rain  0.00
dew point 15.646 
evaporation 26.29 mm / day 
solar radiation 1093.8
wind speed 3.22 km/h
wind direction 119.19 deg 

as monitored  in the western surburbs of brisbane 

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney 'scorcher'
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 12:21:09 +1100
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I remember the January 1960 heatwave vividly. Strong to gale force
northwesterlies (what else would bring such heat?) but I especially remember
one of the newspaper placards that read in great big 4 inch high
letters:'Today's forecast: 110' (Fahrenheit of course), in red letters with
flames on them. As it happened it only got to 105 due to a thin high cloud
cover developing.
Now Blair one of the weather maps from that period might be good to put in
the AMOS Journal? Would be quite topical given what we have just been
through and the climatic outlook.
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> > > Having the hottest November day in 20 years (I think it was an El Nino
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> > > year then too)  42.0 at 3pm. May go higher by the looks of it.
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> > Richmond's 42.1 (assuming that's the final maximum) is the second-
> > highest on record for November after 25 November 1982 (so it's not
> > even a date record).
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> > The 37.9 at Observatory Hill isn't quite as extreme, but is still
> > the highest since 39.2 in 1988. (There have been two November 40s
> > there, in 1946 and 1982).
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> Observatory Hill got to 37.9 on Tuesday, too. This makes two
> successive days over 100 F (37.8 C), only the third time this has
> happened at that site in 144 years of record (after 4-5/1/1946 and
> 25-28/1/1960).
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From: "stephen galowski" <sgalow at ihug.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: western suburbs update 
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since 10:59 am today , wednesday 
the barometer has now dropped 3 hpa and still has a downward movement 

barometer now 1009.40 hpa   at  2:30 pm on wednesday 27-11-2002


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly 
mentioning the MINI tornado that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them 
tomorrow.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine 
who did the right thing. Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a 
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Some active cells particularly south of Coffs this arvo. 15mm at Repton and
22 at Gleniffer. My daughter was at home for the 4pm one and was most
impressed with the heaviness of the rain. I suppose the lawn'll need mowing
again.

Peter


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Time for a murderous rampage with the shotgun down the the local TV station 
I think!



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>
>Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI tornado 
>that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow.
>Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the same 
>and an email has been sent.
>Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine who did the right thing. 
>Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a tornado has hit....
>
>Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)


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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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Just heard on 10 news.. They mentioned tornado like storm..  least wasnt
mini tornado. !!

Dave

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> Time for a murderous rampage with the shotgun down the the local TV
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> I think!
>
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> >Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI
tornado
> >that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow.
> >Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the
same
> >and an email has been sent.
> >Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine who did the right thing.
> >Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a tornado has hit....
> >
> >Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With Canberra only just officially drought declared 
and Mandatory water restrictions only weeks away (we are in Voluntary 
restrictions right now) I thought I would just do some rainfall stats, so here 
goes...</FONT></DIV>
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    <TD class=xl25 x:num="211"><FONT size=2>211.0 </FONT></TD>
    <TD class=xl25 x:num="53.6"><FONT size=2>53.6 </FONT></TD>
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    <TD class=xl25 x:num="311.6"><FONT size=2>311.6 </FONT></TD>
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member of the<BR>Australian Severe Weather Association.<BR><A 
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<DIV>use a 4 -10, that's a mini shotgun. :-)))))))))))))<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>Time for a murderous rampage with the shotgun down the the local TV station <BR>I think!<BR><BR><BR><BR>&gt;From: "Bussy" &lt;<A href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">bussie at netc.net.au</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;Reply-To: <A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt;To: "aussie-weather" &lt;<A href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;Subject: aus-wx: Annoyed again<BR>&gt;Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 18:47:59 +1100<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI tornado <BR>&gt;that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow.<BR>&gt;Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the same <BR>&gt;and an email has been sent.<BR>&gt;Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine who did the right thing. <BR>&gt;Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a tornado has hit....<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)<BR><BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. <BR><A href="http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail">http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail</A><BR><BR>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+<BR>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail <A href="mailto:to:majordomo at world.std.com">to:majordomo at world.std.com</A><BR>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your<BR>message.<BR><A href="mailto: -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------">-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------</A><BR><BR>. </TD></TR>
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As I have noted before, I can't quite agree with or understand the
outrage over the use of mini tornado in the media especially if that is
what occurred.
To describe an event associated with a thunderstorm as a mini cyclone is
totally wrong - we all know why, but if it is a small or weak tornado,
then the word mini or small or weak  and any other adjective relative to
size are just as justified as each other if they convey the correct
impression.

Cheers,
Don White

> Bussy wrote:
> 
> Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI
> tornado that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow.
> Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the
> same and an email has been sent.
> Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine who did the right
> thing. Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a tornado
> has hit....
> 
> Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon - haven't you been reading the list over the 
last few weeks? The drought is over - as Ken predicted, we got good drenching 
rain yesterday (the 27th)....or was that a low flying cockatoo that left my 
shoulder feeling wet??&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ;-)</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=simon at canberra-wx.com href="mailto:simon at canberra-wx.com">Simon 
  Angell</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie-Wx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 27, 2002 10:55 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Canberra's Rainfall 
  stats</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With Canberra only just officially drought 
  declared and Mandatory water restrictions only weeks away (we are in Voluntary 
  restrictions right now) I thought I would just do some rainfall stats, so here 
  goes...</FONT></DIV>
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      <TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 39pt" width=52><FONT size=2>Total</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 style="WIDTH: 45pt" width=60><FONT 
      size=2>Average</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl26 style="WIDTH: 73pt" width=97><FONT 
        size=2>Difference+/-</FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
      <TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><FONT size=2>Best 
        Month</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl24><FONT size=2>Feb</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="211"><FONT size=2>211.0 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="53.6"><FONT size=2>53.6 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl27 x:num="157.4"><FONT size=2>157.4 </FONT></TD></TR>
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        Month</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl24><FONT size=2>Nov</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="00.8"><FONT size=2>0.8 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="64.5"><FONT size=2>64.5 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl26 x:num="-63.7"><FONT style="mso-ignore: color" 
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      <TD class=xl25 x:num="477.6"><FONT size=2>477.6 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="577.4"><FONT size=2>577.4 </FONT></TD>
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      <TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><FONT size=2>March to 
        Current Month</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl24><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="240.2"><FONT size=2>240.2 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="462.3"><FONT size=2>462.3 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl26 x:num="-222.1"><FONT style="mso-ignore: color" 
        color=#ff0000 size=2>-222.1 </FONT></TD></TR>
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      <TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><FONT size=2>6 months 
        to End NOV</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl24><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="151.2"><FONT size=2>151.2 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl25 x:num="311.6"><FONT size=2>311.6 </FONT></TD>
      <TD class=xl26 x:num="-160.4"><FONT style="mso-ignore: color" 
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      <TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=5 
      height=17><FONT size=2>The Last 3 include the 0.8 recorded at the AP so 
        far this month</FONT></TD></TR>
    <TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17>
      <TD class=xl24 style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2 
      height=17><FONT size=2>it is not official though it soon will 
      be.</FONT></TD>
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      <TD class=xl24>&nbsp;</TD>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------<BR>Simon 
  Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A><BR>---------------------------------------------<BR>Proud 
  member of the<BR>Australian Severe Weather Association.<BR><A 
  href="http://www.severeweather.asn.au">www.severeweather.asn.au</A><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Some Pictures: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
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hi all,
thanks for posting these James.

cheers Tony


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>From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: Some Pictures: Melbourne storms 26th Nov
>Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 00:09:11 +1100
>
>Here are some photos and a brief movie of this mornings storm in melb.
>pics are about 100kb in size.
>
>A view of the storm down Flemington Rd  at  8:55am
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010007.jpg
>
>The storm in progress . . .
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010009.jpg
>
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010015.jpg
>
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallP1010016.jpg
>
>and the movie {7.4Mb- only if u r on cable :) }
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/P1010017.MOV
>
>Cheers
>
>James
>
>James Holbeach
>--------------------------------
>Trapdoor Ski Club
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>--------------------------------
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 8:37 PM
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>
>At 08:31 AM 26/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>
> >A nice cell moving towards melb. Photoshop overlays of radar show it
> >should just pass over central Melbourne at about 9:07am  . . . . give
>or
> >take a minute or two. J
>
>Nice wicked cell in Melb just after 9AM :-)  Pity there's so few windows
>in
>the orifice. :(
>
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Blair -- I have the sequence of the 4 days I could send you - they are
fairly clear newspaper ones. In those good old days, the morning papers
printed to 3 pm chart.... so much for computerisation sppeding things up
!

Cheers,
Don White

Blair Trewin wrote:
> 
> >
> > I remember the January 1960 heatwave vividly. Strong to gale force
> > northwesterlies (what else would bring such heat?) but I especially remember
> > one of the newspaper placards that read in great big 4 inch high
> > letters:'Today's forecast: 110' (Fahrenheit of course), in red letters with
> > flames on them. As it happened it only got to 105 due to a thin high cloud
> > cover developing.
> > Now Blair one of the weather maps from that period might be good to put in
> > the AMOS Journal? Would be quite topical given what we have just been
> > through and the climatic outlook.
> 
> I don't do as many pre-1965 ones as I'd like because of the difficulty
> of getting publishable charts (the stored ones pre-1965 are often the
> working charts which are too cluttered with observations to use),
> but I've found a decent newspaper chart for 27 January 1960, so
> guess what's going to be in the next issue?
> 
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> 
> I remember the January 1960 heatwave vividly. Strong to gale force
> northwesterlies (what else would bring such heat?) but I especially remember
> one of the newspaper placards that read in great big 4 inch high
> letters:'Today's forecast: 110' (Fahrenheit of course), in red letters with
> flames on them. As it happened it only got to 105 due to a thin high cloud
> cover developing.
> Now Blair one of the weather maps from that period might be good to put in
> the AMOS Journal? Would be quite topical given what we have just been
> through and the climatic outlook.

I don't do as many pre-1965 ones as I'd like because of the difficulty
of getting publishable charts (the stored ones pre-1965 are often the
working charts which are too cluttered with observations to use), 
but I've found a decent newspaper chart for 27 January 1960, so
guess what's going to be in the next issue?

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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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Hi Don and All.
Using the term weak is in my opinion OK, but Mini is a No-No. why? Because
the term mini is more of a descriptive size term, and not a strength term as
weak is. If I hear mini tornado splattered around the news, the first thing
I think of is water going down the drain, that's what I call a mini tornado,
lol.

Also, the media has for years described major wind damage in localised areas
as mini (Tornado/Cyclone) with getting all the facts and details right. I
guess that is another reason why the Wx community get worked up over it.

By definition (and fujita scale) there is no such thing as Mini, and by
definition A thunderstorm is recorded on the first Audible sound of thunder
of Visual of Lighting in the recording station, and tho the term "thundery
shower" is used widely by the BoM and is more acceptable to use, it is still
wrong by definition, and if I were to report on something wrong by
definition then I am misleading everyone who reads/hears that report.

Anyways, off to work.
p.s, I'm Sure i've wrote a similar thing to Aussie-Wx the last time the Mini
came up..lol

Cheers
---------------------------------
Simon Angell
Canberra, ACT
www.canberra-wx.com
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> As I have noted before, I can't quite agree with or understand the
> outrage over the use of mini tornado in the media especially if that is
> what occurred.
> To describe an event associated with a thunderstorm as a mini cyclone is
> totally wrong - we all know why, but if it is a small or weak tornado,
> then the word mini or small or weak  and any other adjective relative to
> size are just as justified as each other if they convey the correct
> impression.
>
> Cheers,
> Don White
>
> > Bussy wrote:
> >
> > Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI
> > tornado that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow.
> > Local radio station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the
> > same and an email has been sent.
> > Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine who did the right
> > thing. Channel nine especially by saying straight out that a tornado
> > has hit....
> >
> > Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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I think 'mini' is fine but really should only be used whilst holding a
semi-clenched outturned palm with extended small finger into the corner
of one's mouth. <gr>.

I agree with Don, isn't a small tornado and mini tornado...

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As I have noted before, I can't quite agree with or understand the
outrage over the use of mini tornado in the media especially if that is
what occurred. To describe an event associated with a thunderstorm as a
mini cyclone is totally wrong - we all know why, but if it is a small or
weak tornado, then the word mini or small or weak  and any other
adjective relative to size are just as justified as each other if they
convey the correct impression.

Cheers,
Don White

> Bussy wrote:
> 
> Annoyed by my local Prime TV station repeatedly mentioning the MINI 
> tornado that hit Myrtleford. Might ring them tomorrow. Local radio 
> station which I, and my school bus kids listen to did the same and an 
> email has been sent. Must congratulate channel seven and channel nine 
> who did the right thing. Channel nine especially by saying straight 
> out that a tornado has hit....
> 
> Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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> 
> Blair -- I have the sequence of the 4 days I could send you - they are
> fairly clear newspaper ones. In those good old days, the morning papers
> printed to 3 pm chart.... so much for computerisation sppeding things up
> !
> 
> Cheers,
> Don White
> 

Don,

Thanks for the offer, but the newspaper clippings are in our library,
so I should be able to use those ones.

Blair
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Luckily the bushfire west of Jamberoo so far is only a mini bushfire. We
have had some mini drizzle from mini clouds, that combined with mini maximum
temperatures has relieved the situation.

However,  the mini drought worsens, there has been a mini drop in water
level at Lake Illawarra and rotting weed has resulted in a mini smell when
mini winds from west mini blow.

Tomorrow may see some mini showers and mini thunderstorms, with higher mini
moisture levels we may see some more mini rain than the previous few mini
storm days.

Not so Mini Michael


> As I have noted before, I can't quite agree with or understand the
> outrage over the use of mini tornado in the media especially if that is
> what occurred.



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Tomorrow looks great for eastern NSW!!!!!!!! Camera's/film/full tank at the
ready to shoot off after work !
Keep an eye out! shear is nice and LL moisture is good.. and with the shortwave
comming through later... hail maybe? or a couple of lines of storms passing
through lasting all night would be fantastic !

BTW Daniel Weatherhead has put up some photos of the bushfires at Llandilo (west
sydney somewhere) from the other day, including a great photo of one of the
elvis helitanker choppers! worth a look!

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/November26.htm

Matt Smith

Michael Thompson wrote:

> Luckily the bushfire west of Jamberoo so far is only a mini bushfire. We
> have had some mini drizzle from mini clouds, that combined with mini maximum
> temperatures has relieved the situation.
>
> However,  the mini drought worsens, there has been a mini drop in water
> level at Lake Illawarra and rotting weed has resulted in a mini smell when
> mini winds from west mini blow.
>
> Tomorrow may see some mini showers and mini thunderstorms, with higher mini
> moisture levels we may see some more mini rain than the previous few mini
> storm days.
>
> Not so Mini Michael
>
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> > what occurred.
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From: "Jason Beer" <jasonbeer at minmail.net>
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Well, I think Mini Tornado is misleading.

When I was a kid/teenager and they used to say Mini Tornado I always thought
of a strong Willy Willy.

In fact, it is not until recently that I now know that Australia have "real"
tornados. And it appears quite regular Water Spouts.

Using the F scale should be how we rate them as so many of us are exposed to
this via TV from the US anyway. It is not unfamilar and can always be
explained during a broadcast.

I do not believe the F scale has F because it was named after a person. More
like how strongly you emphasis the F word when you see one coming!

Mini is misleading.

Am I mistaken or do all our "Mini" tornados that cause damage to property
seem to strike at night???????

Where are the Tornado prone areas of Australia?
It appears north Eastern Victoria is one.

cheers

Jas



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Luckily the bushfire west of Jamberoo so far is only a mini bushfire. We
have had some mini drizzle from mini clouds, that combined with mini maximum
temperatures has relieved the situation.

However,  the mini drought worsens, there has been a mini drop in water
level at Lake Illawarra and rotting weed has resulted in a mini smell when
mini winds from west mini blow.

Tomorrow may see some mini showers and mini thunderstorms, with higher mini
moisture levels we may see some more mini rain than the previous few mini
storm days.

Not so Mini Michael


> As I have noted before, I can't quite agree with or understand the
> outrage over the use of mini tornado in the media especially if that is
> what occurred.



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I have the afternoon off and will be taken the chase gear to work. I worry
about the mositure in the middle to upper layers however, there may be some
middle layer cloud to contend with.

200mb jet is over 90 knots, but direction shear all happens in the first few
thousand feet.

Michael


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> Tomorrow looks great for eastern NSW!!!!!!!! Camera's/film/full tank at
the
> ready to shoot off after work !
> Keep an eye out! shear is nice and LL moisture is good.. and with the
shortwave
> comming through later... hail maybe? or a couple of lines of storms
passing
> through lasting all night would be fantastic !
>
> BTW Daniel Weatherhead has put up some photos of the bushfires at Llandilo
(west
> sydney somewhere) from the other day, including a great photo of one of
the
> elvis helitanker choppers! worth a look!
>
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/November26.htm
>
> Matt Smith
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
>
> > Luckily the bushfire west of Jamberoo so far is only a mini bushfire. We
> > have had some mini drizzle from mini clouds, that combined with mini
maximum
> > temperatures has relieved the situation.
> >
> > However,  the mini drought worsens, there has been a mini drop in water
> > level at Lake Illawarra and rotting weed has resulted in a mini smell
when
> > mini winds from west mini blow.
> >
> > Tomorrow may see some mini showers and mini thunderstorms, with higher
mini
> > moisture levels we may see some more mini rain than the previous few
mini
> > storm days.
> >
> > Not so Mini Michael
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting to see the 360mm/hour rain rate your wx 
station recorded. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My wx station (WM-918) recorded&nbsp;</FONT><FONT 
face=Arial size=2>245mm/hour at 15:30:00 on 13 June 2002 but I thought it was a 
faulty reading. I wasn't at the house at the time but those who were said that 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>I kept the reading on my max recordings with 
a '?' mark beside it&nbsp;&amp; placed&nbsp;the next highest rain rate recorded 
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had my wx station since May 2002), but maybe that reading might be copping the 
"delete key" treatment soon...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Are you able to confirm/</FONT><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>do you believe that your 360mm/hour is correct? If so, then maybe my 
smaller 245mm/hour might have more truth about it then I first 
thought!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR>Regs. 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Had a storm pass over here at approximately 
  midday which dumped 17mm in about 10 minutes or so. My Wx station shows 
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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Trebuchet MS" size=2>Anyone out storm chasing tomorrow 
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at canberra-wx.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hopefully i can get something here in Canberra, but 
i will also have Wagga, Y'wonga and Sydney 256km's radars Running and saving 
every frame of it (i hope) as the browser i use does it automatically, if you 
would like more than those 3, then email me, i will open them up and get em 
going.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I will be out of the house most of the afternoon 
though.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BoM has called for (once again, like for the 10th 
time&nbsp;in the last 2.5 weeks) Local showers and thunderstorms for the ACT 
area, and with the amount of Build up here in&nbsp;the last few weeks, all 
leading to nothing, im not holding my breath. 10 days of "oooo, something is 
developing" and then to get nothing, its quite annoying.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 07:24:13 +1100
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Keith...
Actually a feature at the time was the lack of strength oin the NW winds
- but the proximity on two of the four days of a decayoing front on the
south coast was sufficient to keep out the sea breeze On the hottest day
- 27 Jan 1960, the maximum gust  was hust 24 miles per hour from WNW.
The forecast for that day had been for a cooler change in the morning
with a top of 85 early - the change did not come and the top was 108.3 -
or 42.4 and it hasn't reach that since. It remains Sydney's third
hottest day ever.
From 25th to 29th, Sydney's top temps were 39.4, 41.4, 42.4 and 39.7.
 On the 29th, Sydney's top of 29.5 was recorded at 12.05 am - then
relief.

Don White

Keith Barnett wrote:
> 
> I remember the January 1960 heatwave vividly. Strong to gale force
> northwesterlies (what else would bring such heat?) but I especially remember
> one of the newspaper placards that read in great big 4 inch high
> letters:'Today's forecast: 110' (Fahrenheit of course), in red letters with
> flames on them. As it happened it only got to 105 due to a thin high cloud
> cover developing.
> Now Blair one of the weather maps from that period might be good to put in
> the AMOS Journal? Would be quite topical given what we have just been
> through and the climatic outlook.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blair Trewin" <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 11:34 AM
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> > > > Having the hottest November day in 20 years (I think it was an El Nino
> =
> > > > year then too)  42.0 at 3pm. May go higher by the looks of it.
> > >
> > > Richmond's 42.1 (assuming that's the final maximum) is the second-
> > > highest on record for November after 25 November 1982 (so it's not
> > > even a date record).
> > >
> > > The 37.9 at Observatory Hill isn't quite as extreme, but is still
> > > the highest since 39.2 in 1988. (There have been two November 40s
> > > there, in 1946 and 1982).
> > >
> >
> > Observatory Hill got to 37.9 on Tuesday, too. This makes two
> > successive days over 100 F (37.8 C), only the third time this has
> > happened at that site in 144 years of record (after 4-5/1/1946 and
> > 25-28/1/1960).
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 08:38:34 +1100 (EST)
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Hey all

Here are my pics from a storm chase I did on Tuesday:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2002_11_26/today.html


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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:02:20 +1000
From: Tim Eckert <timeckert at austarnet.com.au>
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Sensational pics Robert. Nice drive too! :P
Tim.


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>Hey all
>
>Here are my pics from a storm chase I did on 
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>
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2
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>
>
>Cheers
>
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Hi all,

Further handy rain across much of SEQ last night, 19mm in the 6 hours from
6:00pm to midnight  at  Mt. Crosby.  Drought breaking??  Well I'm not sure you
could officially call SEQ drought affected when compared to inland NSW,
although it has been well down on average YTD.

With my total for November now 52.3mm (cf Nov Ipswich mean 77.7mm) it is
starting to look respectable, things are certainly greening up, and it was
nice this morning to wake up and still be on the "right side" of the trough
line with almost full overcast.

Total YTD is now 495.8mm, which is running at about 64% of mean (Ipswich,
122 years).  The total was helped by relatively good winter rain, both June
& August being above average.  Sep and Oct were less than half of average,
but then, a tendency to spring time drought is not unusual in SEQ.

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Issued at 12:01 PM Friday 29 November 2002.

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This advice is valid until 4 PM and should not be used after this time.
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HI All.

A report that has come thtrough..  A property called Roseneath at
Curban/Gilgandra area reported high winds. The hay shed has completely been
destroyed..  Tin from shed blown all over property.  All of the
Gulargumbone & Coonamble shires are without power.

Have many other power outages in NW NSW and Central NSW.

If anyone requires updates pls email me.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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> 
> HI All.
> 
> A report that has come thtrough..  A property called Roseneath at
> Curban/Gilgandra area reported high winds. The hay shed has completely been
> destroyed..  Tin from shed blown all over property.  All of the
> Gulargumbone & Coonamble shires are without power.
> 
> Have many other power outages in NW NSW and Central NSW.
> 
> If anyone requires updates pls email me.
> 

31.6mm at Mudgee in the hour from 1300-1400.

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From: "stephen galowski" <sgalow at ihug.com.au>
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Hi john
i'm  about 5-10 minutes away east of you  in pinjarra hills
my total rain fall here  was 16 mm of rain  from 7 pm to midnight

and i do think we may be in for more rain today
Stephen

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> Hi all,
>
> Further handy rain across much of SEQ last night, 19mm in the 6 hours from
> 6:00pm to midnight  at  Mt. Crosby.  Drought breaking??  Well I'm not sure
you
> could officially call SEQ drought affected when compared to inland NSW,
> although it has been well down on average YTD.
>
> With my total for November now 52.3mm (cf Nov Ipswich mean 77.7mm) it is
> starting to look respectable, things are certainly greening up, and it was
> nice this morning to wake up and still be on the "right side" of the
trough
> line with almost full overcast.
>
> Total YTD is now 495.8mm, which is running at about 64% of mean (Ipswich,
> 122 years).  The total was helped by relatively good winter rain, both
June
> & August being above average.  Sep and Oct were less than half of average,
> but then, a tendency to spring time drought is not unusual in SEQ.
>
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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting 
closer.&nbsp; We can't see the storm for the low drifting misty cloud.&nbsp; I 
have looked at&nbsp;the radar.&nbsp; Can any of you guys see what is going on 
from other parts of Sydney.</FONT></DIV>
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      G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm 
front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of 
telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have 
recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along with 
erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a rain 
event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would have set 
it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)






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>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
>
>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer.  We can't see the 
>storm for the low drifting misty cloud.  I have looked at the radar.  Can 
>any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
>
>Judy


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i'll have a look for you judy from&nbsp; brisbane 
qld </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting 
  closer.&nbsp; We can't see the storm for the low drifting misty cloud.&nbsp; I 
  have looked at&nbsp;the radar.&nbsp; Can any of you guys see what is going on 
  from other parts of Sydney.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "stephen galowski" <sgalow at ihug.com.au>
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there is about 150 to 300 km of lighting on the storm tracker
so it is getting close to sydney , time I think for you to disconnect all
pc, and faxes from the phone lines and power points
Stephen Galowski

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>       G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm
> front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of
> telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
> recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
with
> erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a rain
> event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would have
set
> it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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> >Subject: aus-wx:  Mona Vale Thunder
> >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
> >
> >It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer.  We can't see the
> >storm for the low drifting misty cloud.  I have looked at the radar.  Can
> >any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
> >
> >Judy
>
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Thanks Rune, We are having some great rain.  The sky is a funny colour  -
so long since that happened.  All jokes aside the streets lights are on, so
I'm not imagining it.  I'll look in the rain gauge when it stops.  The
lightning tracker on the weather company is spectacular although a few
minutes ago was still showing 15.25 today.
Judy

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>       G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm
> front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of
> telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
> recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
with
> erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a rain
> event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would have
set
> it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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> >Subject: aus-wx:  Mona Vale Thunder
> >Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
> >
> >It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer.  We can't see the
> >storm for the low drifting misty cloud.  I have looked at the radar.  Can
> >any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
> >
> >Judy
>
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<x-flowed>
Hi Stephen

For interest, the rainfalls for the greater Brisbane area (and elsewhere) 
are available in map form via the Qld Flood Warning Centre website at:

www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld

and directly (for the Brisbane area) at 
http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/qld/qld_metro.shtml

Regards, Peter

At 14:16Friday29/11/02, you wrote:
>Hi john
>i'm  about 5-10 minutes away east of you  in pinjarra hills
>my total rain fall here  was 16 mm of rain  from 7 pm to midnight
>
>and i do think we may be in for more rain today
>Stephen
>
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>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Further handy rain across much of SEQ last night, 19mm in the 6 hours from
> > 6:00pm to midnight  at  Mt. Crosby.  Drought breaking??  Well I'm not sure
>you
> > could officially call SEQ drought affected when compared to inland NSW,
> > although it has been well down on average YTD.
> >
> > With my total for November now 52.3mm (cf Nov Ipswich mean 77.7mm) it is
> > starting to look respectable, things are certainly greening up, and it was
> > nice this morning to wake up and still be on the "right side" of the
>trough
> > line with almost full overcast.
> >
> > Total YTD is now 495.8mm, which is running at about 64% of mean (Ipswich,
> > 122 years).  The total was helped by relatively good winter rain, both
>June
> > & August being above average.  Sep and Oct were less than half of average,
> > but then, a tendency to spring time drought is not unusual in SEQ.
> >
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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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At my place between Chatswood West & North Ryde in Sydney's Northern Suburbs
I recorded a rain rate of 93mm/hour during this afternoons storm. I have
never seen it rain so hard. The gutters on the roof could not stand the
pelting rain & it washed like a waterfall off the entire roof!
So far this afternoon I have recorded 38mm of rain.



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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Very strong Northerlies here at approximately 4.30pm. 61kmh here and lots of
raised dust and a massive dump later of 1 mm. I wouldn't be surprised if
there was some damage around here as well.
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> HI All.
>
> A report that has come thtrough..  A property called Roseneath at
> Curban/Gilgandra area reported high winds. The hay shed has completely
been
> destroyed..  Tin from shed blown all over property.  All of the
> Gulargumbone & Coonamble shires are without power.
>
> Have many other power outages in NW NSW and Central NSW.
>
> If anyone requires updates pls email me.
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> Dave



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Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane 2002: El Nino meant fewer hurricanes in 2002
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Hey All,

Just doing some general browsing online, and came across the following
report

MIAMI - El Nino, the climate phenomenon that can affect weather around the
world, wasn't expected to weaken the 2002 Atlantic hurricane season.

But the season that officially ends Saturday could be considered mild
compared with recent years and forecasters say coastal residents can thank
El Nino.

The rest of the report can been seen at
http://www.naplesnews.com/02/11/florida/d867042a.htm
PaulY


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Anyone else having problems getting onto WeatherZone?

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I'm back from leave, and the hourly charts have resumed on AWN.

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Working okay here Laurier

PaulY

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Laurier,

Your thinking is correct. Having trouble as well.

tuan

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Yeah its down for me too Laurier.

dann
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Mmm, I'm looking into it...

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Hi all,

I think it has just come back up as I managed to get in ok now.
tuan

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> Yeah its down for me too Laurier.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, what can i say? get your bats ready to hit me 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As i was walking out the door Early this afternoon, 
knowing something may develop later, i looked at the digi cam and decided not to 
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special would develop. 2. I was having Coffee with a Hot chick from work, and 
didn't want to lug it around. but now to the days events.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After coffee i went into Woden town center and got 
my hair cut etc etc, after leaving there at 4:20pm i was greeted to a massive 
dark skies to the NW, tho i couldn't see it properly i could tell something was 
menacing. this is the first time i started yelling at my self for not bringing 
the Cam. I had a 15m walk up the road to my mates place of work. after walking 
for a few minutes, i got a clearer look of what was lurking, this baby was the 
darkest thing i have seen in ages. I Called my mate to tell him i was on the 
way, but maybe be longer due to the fact is was moments away from Pissing down. 
I walked a little further and then it came, fortuantely i was able to find 
shelter under an Eve of Phillip Fire station. As i was standing there the rain 
started to get heavier, and being iquistive bugga, i was looking at the way the 
storm was moving, I&nbsp;saw lightning hit black mountain and on the scan back 
closer toward me i saw what i believe to be a funnel, the contrast was poor but 
it&nbsp;certainly had a funnel shape, and visable rotation&nbsp;with strong 
upward movement of some scud that developed right near it. When i saw it, it was 
about 1/3rd the way down and before i lost it in the rain it was about 1/2 the 
way down. I then enjoyed the rain and Cg's dropping 1km away from me, it quickly 
passed and before i could leave the fire station the crew was called out to what 
i heard was a Traffic accident. the rain had eased and i headed off to my mates 
work, all the while seeing Lightning flickering to my east.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&lt;END PART 1&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Later on, about 8:30pm&nbsp;i was with my mates 
heading to dinner at Sizzlers, on the way i had noticed 2 storms flickering away 
to the W and SW respectively, i knew we were in for some more. after about 30 
minutes of sitting down the Lightning fest began. i didn't go outside but i 
could see the sky light up every 5 seconds, The closest one Hit about 2kms away, 
and let off a MIGHTY rumble, i thought the windows were going to break. it soon 
passed and i got home and checked the radars and trackers, well i have caught 
the&nbsp; whole lot with the trackers, but the radar stopped updating at 2:40pm, 
grrrrrrrrrr.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So a rundown of what Canberra got 
today.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fantastic RAIN!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Super Cg's</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Small Hail,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Funnel cloud</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and did i mention the 
RAIN!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>
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Ive had no trouble tonight at all accessing
Might be outside (user server) link problems, DNS/Ping times are as per
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Lmfao Simon all..<BR>
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Next time take them cams with you d/h.<BR>
You chose a chick over that kind of storm?<BR>
Are you out of your mind???<BR>
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Well, what can i say? get your bats ready to hit me with tho...<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">As i was walking out the door Early this afternoon, knowing something may develop later, i looked at the digi cam and decided not to take it on 2 reasons, 1. the way it has been of late, i din't think anything special would develop. 2. I was having Coffee with a Hot chick from work, and didn't want to lug it around. but now to the days events.<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">After coffee i went into Woden town center and got my hair cut etc etc, after leaving there at 4:20pm i was greeted to a massive dark skies to the NW, tho i couldn't see it properly i could tell something was menacing. this is the first time i started yelling at my self for not bringing the Cam. I had a 15m walk up the road to my mates place of work. after walking for a few minutes, i got a clearer look of what was lurking, this baby was the darkest thing i have seen in ages. I Called my mate to tell him i was on the way, but maybe be longer due to the fact is was moments away from Pissing down. I walked a little further and then it came, fortuantely i was able to find shelter under an Eve of Phillip Fire station. As i was standing there the rain started to get heavier, and being iquistive bugga, i was looking at the way the storm was moving, I saw lightning hit black mountain and on the scan back closer toward me i saw what i believe to be a funnel, the contrast was poor but it certainly had a funnel shape, and visable rotation with strong upward movement of some scud that developed right near it. When i saw it, it was about 1/3rd the way down and before i lost it in the rain it was about 1/2 the way down. I then enjoyed the rain and Cg's dropping 1km away from me, it quickly passed and before i could leave the fire station the crew was called out to what i heard was a Traffic accident. the rain had eased and i headed off to my mates work, all the while seeing Lightning flickering to my east.<BR>
&lt;END PART 1&gt;<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">Later on, about 8:30pm i was with my mates heading to dinner at Sizzlers, on the way i had noticed 2 storms flickering away to the W and SW respectively, i knew we were in for some more. after about 30 minutes of sitting down the Lightning fest began. i didn't go outside but i could see the sky light up every 5 seconds, The closest one Hit about 2kms away, and let off a MIGHTY rumble, i thought the windows were going to break. it soon passed and i got home and checked the radars and trackers, well i have caught the &nbsp;whole lot with the trackers, but the radar stopped updating at 2:40pm, grrrrrrrrrr.<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">So a rundown of what Canberra got today.<BR>
Fantastic RAIN!!!!<BR>
Super Cg's<BR>
Small Hail,<BR>
A Funnel cloud<BR>
and did i mention the RAIN!!!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
Cheers<BR>
---------------------------------<BR>
Simon Angell<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, yes and yes to all 3.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Third" <third.idiot at bigpond.com.au>
To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ rain
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 06:30:49 +1000
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We have had 22mm over the last 2 days 10mm then 12mm at Petrie.  My November
total is 96.5 mm.

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: SEQ rain


> Hi all,
>
> Further handy rain across much of SEQ last night, 19mm in the 6 hours from
> 6:00pm to midnight  at  Mt. Crosby.  Drought breaking??  Well I'm not sure
you
> could officially call SEQ drought affected when compared to inland NSW,
> although it has been well down on average YTD.
>
> With my total for November now 52.3mm (cf Nov Ipswich mean 77.7mm) it is
> starting to look respectable, things are certainly greening up, and it was
> nice this morning to wake up and still be on the "right side" of the
trough
> line with almost full overcast.
>
> Total YTD is now 495.8mm, which is running at about 64% of mean (Ipswich,
> 122 years).  The total was helped by relatively good winter rain, both
June
> & August being above average.  Sep and Oct were less than half of average,
> but then, a tendency to spring time drought is not unusual in SEQ.
>
> John.
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:09:10 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Gee, I didn't reckon you were that old Bussie!

Phil
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 18:35:03 +1100
Subject: aus-wx: Weather humour

> Varied "slightly" from the original.
> 
> A visitor once asked, "Does it ever rain in Rutherglen?"
> 
> A farmer quickly answered, "Yes, it does. Do you remember in the Bible
> where it rained for 40 days and 40 nights?"
>  
> The visitor replied, "Yes, I'm familiar with Noah's flood."
>  
> "Well," the farmer puffed up, "We got about two and a half millimetres
> out of that."
> 
> Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: "Wendy" <wendie_h at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: hail storm
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Hi everyone,

Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near Penrith)..
it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles and a bit bigger
covering the ground.  I don't know how cold it got but it became very chilly
indeed.  The storm has since passed and now we have blue skies again!!

Wendy




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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at ihug.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: hail storm
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Hi Wendy and Everyone

It is now 4.55pm and the sun is shining at Mona Vale as well.  The
temperature right now is 20 degrees but I don't know if it went any lower,
it did feel colder though as the storm front arrived.  We had 7mm of rain
and marble size hail as well.

Yesterdays storm gave us 28 mm so our grass is looking better already.
Judy

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Subject: aus-wx: hail storm


> Hi everyone,
>
> Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near
Penrith)..
> it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles and a bit
bigger
> covering the ground.  I don't know how cold it got but it became very
chilly
> indeed.  The storm has since passed and now we have blue skies again!!
>
> Wendy
>
>
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From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Alice Springs
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G'day all,
We've had around 150mm in the past week in western Alice Springs. We've had
large storms everynight, which have been widespread. What was looking to be
one of the driest years on record with only around 80 mm for the year is now
a memory. Although it's been dry and sunny for the last two days, a low in
W.A. looks to heading this way, which means more regular storms next week!
If this pattern continues, I would suggest that inland Queensland and
perhaps even N.S.W. may get drought breaking rains.
Cheers,
Duncan,
Alice Springs, N.T.

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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Yeah! I still owe Moses a quarter......


> Gee, I didn't reckon you were that old Bussie!



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From: "Steve Baynham" <bayns at broad.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hey simon! everyone else.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ya have to make a good impression on a girl. some 
may think you look like a dork carrying around a video camera. fortunately, i 
had no such dilemna. the storms that you were talking about late in teh evening 
to the W and SW i got plenty of photos of. after we got pelted by the rain from 
it, i went to a vantage point with a view looking out to jerrabomberra and 
queanbeyan and got some nice CG and crawler shots that turn out ok when i get 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a fanf**kingtastic week for 
canberra!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>YEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Steve Baynham<BR>icq : 26863574</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
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  <A title=simon at canberra-wx.com href="mailto:simon at canberra-wx.com">Simon 
  Angell</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie-Wx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 30, 2002 1:25 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Canberra 29th November 
  2002</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi All.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, what can i say? get your bats ready to hit 
  me with tho...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As i was walking out the door Early this 
  afternoon, knowing something may develop later, i looked at the digi cam and 
  decided not to take it on 2 reasons, 1. the way it has been of late, i din't 
  think anything special would develop. 2. I was having Coffee with a Hot chick 
  from work, and didn't want to lug it around. but now to the days 
  events.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>After coffee i went into Woden town center and 
  got my hair cut etc etc, after leaving there at 4:20pm i was greeted to a 
  massive dark skies to the NW, tho i couldn't see it properly i could tell 
  something was menacing. this is the first time i started yelling at my self 
  for not bringing the Cam. I had a 15m walk up the road to my mates place of 
  work. after walking for a few minutes, i got a clearer look of what was 
  lurking, this baby was the darkest thing i have seen in ages. I Called my mate 
  to tell him i was on the way, but maybe be longer due to the fact is was 
  moments away from Pissing down. I walked a little further and then it came, 
  fortuantely i was able to find shelter under an Eve of Phillip Fire station. 
  As i was standing there the rain started to get heavier, and being iquistive 
  bugga, i was looking at the way the storm was moving, I&nbsp;saw lightning hit 
  black mountain and on the scan back closer toward me i saw what i believe to 
  be a funnel, the contrast was poor but it&nbsp;certainly had a funnel shape, 
  and visable rotation&nbsp;with strong upward movement of some scud that 
  developed right near it. When i saw it, it was about 1/3rd the way down and 
  before i lost it in the rain it was about 1/2 the way down. I then enjoyed the 
  rain and Cg's dropping 1km away from me, it quickly passed and before i could 
  leave the fire station the crew was called out to what i heard was a Traffic 
  accident. the rain had eased and i headed off to my mates work, all the while 
  seeing Lightning flickering to my east.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&lt;END PART 1&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Later on, about 8:30pm&nbsp;i was with my mates 
  heading to dinner at Sizzlers, on the way i had noticed 2 storms flickering 
  away to the W and SW respectively, i knew we were in for some more. after 
  about 30 minutes of sitting down the Lightning fest began. i didn't go outside 
  but i could see the sky light up every 5 seconds, The closest one Hit about 
  2kms away, and let off a MIGHTY rumble, i thought the windows were going to 
  break. it soon passed and i got home and checked the radars and trackers, well 
  i have caught the&nbsp; whole lot with the trackers, but the radar stopped 
  updating at 2:40pm, grrrrrrrrrr.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So a rundown of what Canberra got 
  today.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fantastic RAIN!!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Super Cg's</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Small Hail,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Funnel cloud</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and did i mention the 
  RAIN!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
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