Re: aus-wx: Fwd: Re: Radar?

SPECIAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SOUTHLAND OTAGO ISSUED BY METSERVICE AT 10:50am Monday 01-Jul-2002 SNOW SHOWERS ABOUT THE SOUTHERN HILLS AND RANGES TODAY MetService is expecting further snow showers about parts of Southland and Otago today, especially on the hills and ranges from Queenstown and the Dunstan Mountains southwards. About 5-10cm of snow may accumlate above 700 metres between 11am today (Monday) and dawn on Tuesday, with lighter snowfalls down to about 400 metres. These snow showers should clear on Tuesday morning. Forecasters warn that the wet snow combined with strong cold southerly winds about the high country could cause stress on any stock in the open, as well as provide difficult driving conditions on roads above 400 metres. This is the Final Special Weather Advisory in this series Contact person : John Crouch or Mark Pascoe

Was in Dubbo on July 1 and awoke to a huge frost - the sort that would raise eyebrows even in Canberra (where I'm from). Had a bit of a chuckle as two guys driving a Queensland car laboured to remove the frost (just under 1 cm thick - I kid you not!) with a damp cloth.

Showed them the correct technique - a drivers licence which doubles as a scraper.

The Medicare card is also regularly used in Canberra for this purpose (pre-dates plastic licences). I have similar fun whenever there's a frost in Melbourne watching the locals fail dismally to cope. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.49] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: R U On The List? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:17:34 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2002 07:17:34.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9AF31B0:01C2314F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

And now it's officially confirmed with medicos saying 'azzma' to describe the wheezy cough, and all in sundry saying 'math' for 'maths'.

>From: "Phil Smith"

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>Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:07:00 +0800

>I reckon Australia became USA's 51st state years ago when all the

>newspapers there started printing "July 21" instead of "21st July".

>Phil

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>-----Original Message-----

>From: John Gaul

>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

>Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 13:38:54 +1200

>Subject: Re: aus-wx: R U On The List?

> > At 23:50 20/07/02 +1000, you wrote:

> > > <> Cheers

> >

> > Yep indeed they are =], soon they will use the AU Currency and be ruled

> > By

> > an AU Leader

> >

> > No you are wrong, we are going to become part of the USA, the 51st

> > state,

> > well they are trying to buy Young Nick's Head, a part of NZ's national

> > heritidge.

> > So that's a start!

> >

> > JohnGaul

> > NZTS

> >

> > Cheers

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> > www.canberra-wx.com

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Stargazer

> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:18 PM

> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: R U On The List?

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I got board so I added a "Home WX Stations Around New Zealand" list

> > also

> > to my weather page...

> >

> > I mean, they're part of Australia too you know! ;)

> >

> > Regs. Paul.

> > (Stargazer)

> > http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer

> >

> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: Stargazer

> > To: Aussie-Weather

> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 1:12 AM

> > Subject: aus-wx: R U On The List?

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > I've added a "Home Weather Station Around Australia" list with links

> > to

> > various home stations in each state (well most states! ) to my weather

> > page

> > on my web site (see link below).

> > If you want yours or know of another home station to add to this list,

> > hey

> > let me know & I'll put it up there! :)

> >

> > Regs. Paul.

> > (Stargazer)

> > http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer

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Thanks all re: my query with regards to rainfall recording. Much appreciated.

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Glen Innes extremes-Aemidale wx Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:17:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Blair, I am an old graduate of UNE and did Weather Observations between 1976 and 1980 at the Uni.I also did an undergrad paper on micro climate while ther and did regualr 'transits' across the area to chart temperature variation. i can vividly rember walking from tyhe colleges on the southside to the academic area on northside on cold winter mornings .I maintain a strong interest in the area because of my interest in various micro climates . Do you know the exact location of the new site? I am trying to picture where it is. By the way we recorded a -7.0 at Bonython in Canberra's Tuggeranong Valley on the morning of the 12th , Our lowest has been a modest -5.4 at Gilmore . I understand the official record Min at the A/P is -10. cheers Gavin O'Brien. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Glen Innes extremes-Aemidale wx > There was a site change at Armidale in 1996-97 (forget the exact year) > - the new site is significantly colder than the old one (and probably > more representative of the area as a whole). The name is misleading - > it's on land owned by UNE in the eastern part of the town but is > nowhere near the main UNE campus. It was operated as a private site > for about 15 years before taking over as the official site when the > 2AD site closed. > > There was quite a lot of micro-climate work based on Armidale > published in the early 1970s - I'll dig some of it up when I get a > chance. > > Blair > > > Hi Don, > > I recorded wx at UNE between 1976 and 1980 at a site slopeing east on the > > northside of the creek outside Continuing Education ( the old site for the > > 2ARM-FM studios) .I regularly noted differences in minimum temperatures in > > Winter up to 5 degrees between our site and Radio 2AD which was (is?) the > > town weather station site.The AWS was set up at the Airport long after I > > left Uni.I still have my records from that period somewhere in a filing > > cabinet including Thermograph traces.I would imagine that given the Airport > > is on the Plateau about 1200 metres and the town centre is just below 1000 > > metres and in a valley.The two some 10 km apart , some large differnces > > would be recorded during anticyclonic patterns such as at present.By the > > way winter in Canberra has been milder than normal due to the westerly winds > > we are having- they topped 80 km /hr last Saturday! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Don White" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:50 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Glen Innes extremes > > > > > > > Glen Innes yesterday morning has a low of -7. The Ag station to the east > > > (I think) was also -7 but it was the Airport that was -13. Glen Innes AP > > > is in a classic frost hollow. At one end these an even lower spot near a > > > small creek... I gather this is where the AWS is. > > > Frost hollows have more significant effect than altitude. Look at > > > Armidale.... SE of the Uni it was -9 yesterday morning and there, the > > > airport is on a plateau south of the town - it was only -2 there. The > > > same applies at Coonabarabran.... the town is in a hollow, the airport > > > is higher and 7 kms out of town.... differences of up to 13 degrees ( > > > from -5 in the town to +8at the airport_) have occurred in the past > > > couple of weeks. > > > When there's a cloudy night with fresh and cold SW winds, Coona ap is > > > often lower than the twon... this is the altitude factor coming into > > > play. > > > > > > Don White > > > > > > Damian wrote: > > > > > > > > Would anyone know why Glen Innes NSW has such extreme night teperatures > > of > > > > around -12 or -13 so regularly? I know they are high up but other towns > > that > > > > are high up don't seem to reach the extreme minus degrees as lower > > places > > > > such as Richmond, Bathurst, Goulburn etc. Glen Innes is ontop of a hill > > so I > > > > would assume that it shouldn't frost??? > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Killer Gorilla in China Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 22:44:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, at first I doubted the story too. I can only wonder what factors gave birth to such massive stones.I have been watching the sat pix and synops in relation to the TC,s and strong monsoon in the Philippines.The heavy rains and severe storms seem to be an interaction between the monsoon trough and a stationary frontal system over central China-shows up well on sat pix. They are certainly having a tough time .Interesting that the Typhoons and Tropical Storms are forming well east and moving north rather than west or north west as is more usual in July-Guam got two big hits! Gavin Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sha" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Killer Gorilla in China > I appreciate this post David thanks :) I had received this report in an > email as well and didn't post it because I didn't have the link from where > it had been written, so wanted to be sure of its validity. > > Love > Sha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Croan" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:39 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Killer Gorilla in China > > > Hi all, > > Some nasty gorilla stuff in China; according to a friend of mine who had > viewed some footage on local (ie chinese) TV, the hail was tennis ball > sized, leaving dead and battered livestock in it's wake, this in addition to > the deaths and damage reported in the link below. > > http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/07/20/weather.china.hail.reut/index.html > > The area is, apparently, not considered one of the usual hail hotspots in > China. > > > David > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 1/07/2002 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: AUGUST'S FLYBY OF 2002 NY40 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 00:44:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

================================================================== This Is SKY & TELESCOPE's AstroAlert for Minor Planets ================================================================== NEXT MONTH'S FLYBY OF 2002 NY40 In mid-August, a newly discovered asteroid will pass close enough to Earth that it should be easy to spot in small telescopes and even binoculars. This object was first detected on July 14th by astronomers using the LINEAR 1-meter survey telescope in New Mexico, and it has now been designated 2002 NY40 by the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts. According to calculations by the center's associate director, Gareth V. Williams, it is traveling in a low-inclination, Apollo-type orbit with a period of 3.03 years. Its August 18th flyby should bring it to within 530,000 kilometers (330,000 miles) of Earth, which is just outside the Moon's distance. There are several key differences between this encounter and that of 2002 MN, which made news a few weeks ago. That object came well inside our own Moon's orbit and was not detected until several days after the fact. The new asteroid was found on its way in toward the Sun, a full month before its own flyby. But 2002 NY40 is about 10 times larger than 2002 MN; the best current estimates make it about half a kilometer (a third of a mile) across. Still quite faint at magnitude 18 in the constellation Aquarius, 2002 NY40 is making a very tight loop around the star Beta Aquarii. During the next few weeks it will brighten tremendously and yet remain almost motionless in the sky -- the eerie signature of an asteroid hurtling right toward the Earth! Then it veers off to the northwest as it goes by, racing past the double star Albireo in Cygnus for observers in the Western Hemisphere on the night of August 17-18. On that Saturday evening, 2002 NY40 should become as bright as magnitude 9.3 during the period when it is well placed for viewing from North America. Its angular velocity will exceed 4 arcminutes per minute, a motion easily perceptible in small telescopes. Sky & Telescope plans to issue detailed observing instructions, through AstroAlerts and SkyandTelescope.com, in the days leading up to this rare event. A mere 24 hours after it goes by, 2002 NY40 plunges hopelessly beyond reach of Earth-based telescopes as it heads in toward the Sun. (We are then viewing its unilluminated backside, which explains why it becomes so faint, so fast.) Meanwhile, professional astronomers are gearing up to make the most of this encounter. "2002 NY40 is a potentially very good radar target for mid-August," notes Mike Nolan of Arecibo Observatory and Cornell University. In a message posted on the Minor Planet Mailing List ( http://www.bitnik.com/mp ), Nolan urges advanced amateurs to obtain detailed photometry of the asteroid on the nights leading up to the flyby. A good light curve, revealing the object's rotation rate, would help in selecting the instrumentation to be used with the Arecibo 1,000-foot radio dish. While there is no danger of 2002 NY40 striking the Earth during this flyby, a future impact has not been ruled out. Both NEODyS, operated by the University of Pisa, and NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL have identified a number of very close encounters in the years to come. These occur either around August 18th as the asteroid heads in toward the Sun, or else near February 14th when it is on the way out. Both agencies are focusing a flyby just 20 years from now (on August 18, 2022), when there appears to be a 1-in-500,000 chance of an impact -- extremely unlikely, but worrisome just the same. Roger W. Sinnott Senior Editor Sky & Telescope ---------------------------------------------------------------- The following ephemeris, adapted from the Minor Planet Ephemeris Service at http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html , gives the object's right ascension and declination at 0h Universal Time on successive dates. Also listed are its distance from the Earth (Delta) and Sun (r) in astronomical units, 1 a.u. being 149,600,000 kilometers. The last column is the predicted visual magnitude. Because this is a newly discovered object passing fairly close to the Earth, the ephemeris is still somewhat uncertain (especially on the final dates listed). Keep in mind that these positions are geocentric; parallax at closest approach could shift the object's position by 1/2 degree or more depending on observer's geographic location. (To display the ephemeris properly, your e-mail program should be set to use a fixed-space font such as Courier.) Ephemeris of 2002 NY40 Date R.A. (2000) Decl. Delta r V (0h UT) h m o ' a.u. a.u. mag. Jul 22 21 33.8 -05 46 0.347 1.336 18.2 Jul 23 21 34.0 -05 41 0.333 1.325 18.1 Jul 24 21 34.1 -05 37 0.319 1.313 18.0 Jul 25 21 34.3 -05 32 0.306 1.302 17.8 Jul 26 21 34.4 -05 27 0.292 1.290 17.7 Jul 27 21 34.6 -05 23 0.279 1.278 17.6 Jul 28 21 34.6 -05 18 0.266 1.267 17.4 Jul 29 21 34.7 -05 13 0.253 1.255 17.3 Jul 30 21 34.8 -05 09 0.240 1.243 17.1 Jul 31 21 34.8 -05 04 0.227 1.232 17.0 Aug 01 21 34.7 -04 59 0.214 1.220 16.8 Aug 02 21 34.7 -04 54 0.201 1.208 16.6 Aug 03 21 34.6 -04 49 0.188 1.196 16.5 Aug 04 21 34.5 -04 43 0.176 1.185 16.3 Aug 05 21 34.3 -04 37 0.163 1.173 16.1 Aug 06 21 34.0 -04 31 0.151 1.161 15.9 Aug 07 21 33.7 -04 24 0.138 1.149 15.6 Aug 08 21 33.4 -04 16 0.126 1.137 15.4 Aug 09 21 32.9 -04 08 0.113 1.125 15.1 Aug 10 21 32.3 -03 57 0.101 1.113 14.8 Aug 11 21 31.5 -03 44 0.089 1.101 14.5 Aug 12 21 30.5 -03 28 0.077 1.089 14.2 Aug 13 21 29.1 -03 06 0.065 1.077 13.8 Aug 14 21 27.0 -02 35 0.053 1.064 13.3 Aug 15 21 23.7 -01 46 0.040 1.052 12.8 Aug 16 21 17.7 -00 16 0.028 1.040 12.1 Aug 17 21 03.1 +03 23 0.017 1.028 11.0 Aug 18 19 39.2 +22 26 0.005 1.016 9.4 Aug 19 10 50.2 +21 39 0.009 1.004 21.0 Aug 20 10 06.4 +12 09 0.020 0.992 49.7 -------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================== AstroAlert is a free service of SKY & TELESCOPE, the Essential Magazine of Astronomy (http://SkyandTelescope.com/). 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X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 01:47:44 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: NW Pacific cyclone outbreak in colour Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. Those interested in cyclones may like to view these: I have made two wide angle GMS5 VIS-IR-WV composite satpics of the current NW Pacific cyclone outbreak on my page at: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm - scroll down below the current cyclone links and click on the thumbnail to get a full resolution version. Yesterdays image [22 02:31 utc] shows 4 cyclones, from left to right: Tropical Depression [JUAN] (13W), South China Sea. Severe Tropical Storm FUNG-WONG [KAKA] (14W): NW Pacific. Super Typhoon FENGSHEN (12W): NW Pacific. Tropical Storm KALMAEGI (15W): NW Pacific: Todays image [22 02:31 utc] shows only 3 remaining as 15W on the far right has sheared apart. 12W has maintained Super Typhoon status for over 4 days now! We may see some Fujiwhara effect occuring between 12W and 14W over the next day or so, which should see 12W diverted from travelling NW more towards the N and 14W diverted from travelling WSW more towards the S as they begin to spiral around a common centre between them - I suspect that 14W will get the worse end of the deal as they interact, and it may be sheared apart and consumed by 12W over the next couple of days. I am too busy to do much image processing at the moment, but these are interesting times! BTW, I removed all the old images off the page so it should load rather faster than it has been! Carl. ~~~~~~~~~~ Carl Smith. Gold Coast. Queensland. Australia. Email: carls at qldnet.com.au Current Tropical Cyclone information : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm Tropical Cyclone Tracking Maps : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/TCMaps.htm Weather-Ezine LR forecasting archives: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/ezines/ezineindex.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: WARMEST/COLDEST/WETTEST Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:46:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

A Wonderful Week to All:

A few more weather numbers. For 2001 in Mena, Arkansas.

Warmest Week: July 22-28, Avg. High: 95.2F(35.1C).[Avg. Low: 71.5F(21.9C)].

Coldest Week: Dec. 23-29, Avg. Low: 25.4F(-3.6C).[Avg. High: 46.2F(7.8C)]

*Special Mention:Coldest Week: Dec. 31,2000-Jan. 6,2001, Avg. Low: 16.7F(-8.5C).{Avg. High:42.2F(5.6C)]

Wettest Week: Feb. 11-17: 6.75IN(171.4 mm)

Enjoy your week

From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:54:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Your theory would be interesting to hear Ken. I've had a barograph since 1974 and have never noticed the phenomenon (if that's what it is) you mention. The diurnal effect cuts in about 5am and 5pm and often at the times you mention the graph is on its way down either due to that or a changing pressure pattern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > For any barograph owners out there.. > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and midnight, > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. If > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just name > a day in the last twenty years!). > Ideas anyone? > Ken > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:34:12 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken and all, I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in Hong Kong and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 minutes before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But these seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering every 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph throughout the day. I am interested to see what you are getting at. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > For any barograph owners out there.. > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > midnight, > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > a > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > this > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > mine. If > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > name > a day in the last twenty years!). > Ideas anyone? > Ken > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For any barograph owners out there.. I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and midnight, year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. If anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just name a day in the last twenty years!). Ideas anyone? Ken +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [153.107.45.32] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:18:43 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 03:18:43.0583 (UTC) FILETIME=[A64220F0:01C231F7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After 32 days without rain, there was some very spotty light showers (from virga) this morning, in the gauge it didnt register other than moistening the bottom, does that break the streak or not? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:15:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The BoM doesn't count traces as rain days, as far as I know. If you receive 0.1 or more it should be rounded up to 0.2 and counted, otherwise entered as a trace and not counted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rune Peitersen" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? > After 32 days without rain, there was some very spotty light showers > (from virga) this morning, in the gauge it didnt register other than > moistening the bottom, does that break the streak or not? > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:23:14 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > After 32 days without rain, there was some very spotty light showers > (from virga) this morning, in the gauge it didnt register other than > moistening the bottom, does that break the streak or not? No. (No Bureau station in the metropolitan area received any measurable rain in the 24 hours to 9 this morning). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:00:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A point of clarification: The diurnal effect I mentioned is the usual rise that comes after the effects of daytime heating and subsequent cooling that sets in, which every trace should show (provided it's not accentuated by rapidly approaching/intensifying low or high pressure). I do not understand why I'm not experiencing the 12am/pm variation. My barograph is calibrated to sea level but that shouldn't matter,nor should elevation above sea level. Very odd.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Hi Phil and Keith Thanks to you and Keith Barnett for feedback. Keith says his diurnal pattern is at 5am and 5pm. Sounds like the same effect, 12 hours apart, albeit at a different location or it maybe due to his barometric setting. Mine and yours seem to be around 12am and pm. The kink is not large but is there nevertheless. The kink at midday is always about 2mm in height and is much more sharply defined than the midnight one, which is flatter and more spread out. It appears to be a definite tidal effect and I have assumed it to be solar because it has happened every single day and night at my place for over twenty years now. I think it must be solar and not lunar because it is consistent around the month and the change is clearly within each 24 hour day. I can't see that it could be thermal, as the hottest part of the day is not noon or midnight, and the effect occurs at the same time of day and night over summer and winter. That leaves only the orbit of the sun and I think what we are looking at is the solar air tide. The lunar air tide is depicted on the barograph too, but it is inconstant and has to be sifted out with regard to other factors, i.e. declinations, perigees and phases, whereas this effect is very constant. There are two humps each day and I would say they result from the position of the sun in the sky. The sun is like any other planetary body, which, according to the laws of astrological physics as set out by Isaac Newton to explain tides, exerts a potent force when at certain angles to any geographical location, a force which at only those times is unopposed by earth’s gravity. We all know about the moon and the fact that where the moon is, or a vector from it, causes a high ocean tide on the moon's side of the earth. We know, too, that on the opposite side of the earth there is another high tide, where the moon would be if there were two equal and opposite moons always at 180deg of each other. This was part of Newton's thesis, in fact he identified four moons, one real and three virtual! The sun is the same. It exerts a small measurable tidal effect on both sides of the earth at once, pulling on both sea and air and creating measurable tides in each.The increase in barometric height at midnight AND noon is the result. The atmosphere is about 15 miles high at the equator but only a mile or two high at the poles. This bulge has everything to do with the pull of the laterally placed luminaries. It has nothing to do with centrifugal forces, to my way of thinking, which would surely act not on any one location but on all locations around the globe at once so therefore can be discounted. If anyone has any other ideas or wants to debate mine I'd be most interested. cheers Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Ken and all, > I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in Hong Kong > and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 minutes > before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But these > seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering every > 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph throughout the > day. > I am interested to see what you are getting at. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 > Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > For any barograph owners out there.. > > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > > midnight, > > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > > a > > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > > this > > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > > mine. If > > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > > name > > a day in the last twenty years!). > > Ideas anyone? > > Ken > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.137.90.3] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 06:26:47 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 06:26:48.0353 (UTC) FILETIME=[EC816110:01C23211] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jane, I won't be able to attend the meeting because of football commitments. But I am diffenatally going to the AGM in sydney, also I need to reknew my mebership too, perhaps at the agm, as I am very busy. Cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 11:36:28 +1000 > >The next Victorian ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday 27th July at >the Pancake Parlour at 550 Doncaster Road, Doncaster starting with >breakfast & bragging at ~8.30am. > >Agenda >** Discussion - past weather in Victoria - Cold outbreak in June >** Video segments and discussion of recent weather >** Trip to America > >Guest Speaker - Robert Goler >Topic - North Australian Cloud Lines >NACL - lines of cloud which form over Cape York Peninsula and propagate >westwards over the Gulf of Carpentaria. >- images & animations illustrating their formation >- upcoming field experiment to the area in Sep/Oct this year. > >Memberships - please note that** May membership renewals** are >definitely due & payable - please bring money!! >ASWA Caps $15 each >Car stickers $4 each >Information on new polo shirts which will be available shortly ($25 + $5 >p&h) > >If there is an item that you would like to see included on the day or >you have video to bring, please email us for inclusion on the day. > >Jane & Paul >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Paul Yole - Murtoa >pyole at lexicon.net > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:53:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 06:55:41.0046 (UTC) FILETIME=[F5455960:01C23215] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and all. The barograph is one of my favourite instruments, it shows so much of what is going on in the atmosphere. In respect to variations found on the barograph, several or more turn up. The first in my neck of the woods is the diurnal 'wave' which shows up more prominently in the summer half of the year, the wave shows a trough after 1400hrs extending to about 1700hrs,then a secondary trough between 0400 and 0600 hrs. Crests show up around 0900 to 1100hrs and again between 2100 and 2300hrs, I found no correlation in traces at midday or midnight over a period of about 5 years. Some of the better pressure jumps occur with thunderstorms and sea breezes. In winter there is only weak diurnal variation at my latitude 38 south (smoothed) but this weak variation conforms to the summer pattern give or take about one hour. regards Clyve Herbert ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:34 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Ken and all, > I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in Hong Kong > and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 minutes > before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But these > seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering every > 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph throughout the > day. > I am interested to see what you are getting at. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 > Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > For any barograph owners out there.. > > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > > midnight, > > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > > a > > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > > this > > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > > mine. If > > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > > name > > a day in the last twenty years!). > > Ideas anyone? > > Ken > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:01:29 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, Are there any predictions you have with respect to significant rain event in the near future? Jimmy Deguara At 01:27 PM 23/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: >For any barograph owners out there.. >I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and midnight, >year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a >barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this >up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. If >anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just name >a day in the last twenty years!). >Ideas anyone? >Ken > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:05:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 07:06:48.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[82EFDEB0:01C23217] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi all.

Although a rather blandish sought of day down south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H.

X-Originating-IP: [153.107.45.32] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 17:38:36 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 07:38:36.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4473B90:01C2321B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell in a bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) >From: Blair Trewin >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:23:14 +1000 (EST) > > > > > After 32 days without rain, there was some very spotty light >showers > > (from virga) this morning, in the gauge it didnt register other than > > moistening the bottom, does that break the streak or not? > >No. > >(No Bureau station in the metropolitan area received any measurable >rain in the 24 hours to 9 this morning). > >Blair > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:42:06 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and Keith Thanks to you and Keith Barnett for feedback. Keith says his diurnal pattern is at 5am and 5pm. Sounds like the same effect, 12 hours apart, albeit at a different location or it maybe due to his barometric setting. Mine and yours seem to be around 12am and pm. The kink is not large but is there nevertheless. The kink at midday is always about 2mm in height and is much more sharply defined than the midnight one, which is flatter and more spread out. It appears to be a definite tidal effect and I have assumed it to be solar because it has happened every single day and night at my place for over twenty years now. I think it must be solar and not lunar because it is consistent around the month and the change is clearly within each 24 hour day. I can't see that it could be thermal, as the hottest part of the day is not noon or midnight, and the effect occurs at the same time of day and night over summer and winter. That leaves only the orbit of the sun and I think what we are looking at is the solar air tide. The lunar air tide is depicted on the barograph too, but it is inconstant and has to be sifted out with regard to other factors, i.e. declinations, perigees and phases, whereas this effect is very constant. There are two humps each day and I would say they result from the position of the sun in the sky. The sun is like any other planetary body, which, according to the laws of astrological physics as set out by Isaac Newton to explain tides, exerts a potent force when at certain angles to any geographical location, a force which at only those times is unopposed by earth’s gravity. We all know about the moon and the fact that where the moon is, or a vector from it, causes a high ocean tide on the moon's side of the earth. We know, too, that on the opposite side of the earth there is another high tide, where the moon would be if there were two equal and opposite moons always at 180deg of each other. This was part of Newton's thesis, in fact he identified four moons, one real and three virtual! The sun is the same. It exerts a small measurable tidal effect on both sides of the earth at once, pulling on both sea and air and creating measurable tides in each.The increase in barometric height at midnight AND noon is the result. The atmosphere is about 15 miles high at the equator but only a mile or two high at the poles. This bulge has everything to do with the pull of the laterally placed luminaries. It has nothing to do with centrifugal forces, to my way of thinking, which would surely act not on any one location but on all locations around the globe at once so therefore can be discounted. If anyone has any other ideas or wants to debate mine I'd be most interested. cheers Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Ken and all, > I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in Hong Kong > and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 minutes > before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But these > seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering every > 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph throughout the > day. > I am interested to see what you are getting at. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 > Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > For any barograph owners out there.. > > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > > midnight, > > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > > a > > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > > this > > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > > mine. If > > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > > name > > a day in the last twenty years!). > > Ideas anyone? > > Ken > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:05:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell in a > bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) > No - it has to be 0.2mm to register. (Accumulations from dew/fog/frost don't count as rain days either, although the application of this in the climate database has been known to be less than consistent). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 08:24:33.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[5FF4C9B0:01C23222] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi all.

Just as soon as you mention the word bland for conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H.

----- Original Message -----

From: Clyve Herbert

To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM

Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic.

Hi all.

Although a rather blandish sought of day down south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H.

From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:31:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm confused now. Jimmy said to record it even though it was frost or fog etc. Maybe if I went away for a few days and didn't know whether it was fog or actually rain, should I record it as rainfall???????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? > > > > Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell in a > > bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) > > > No - it has to be 0.2mm to register. (Accumulations from dew/fog/frost > don't count as rain days either, although the application of this in the > climate database has been known to be less than consistent). > > Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:31:55 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Not to mention the random 0.2mm twitches that we see from the AWS raingauges from time to time. :) Mark Hardy -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Blair Trewin Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2002 6:06 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? > > Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell > in a > bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) > No - it has to be 0.2mm to register. (Accumulations from dew/fog/frost don't count as rain days either, although the application of this in the climate database has been known to be less than consistent). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" , "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: Weather images Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 04:09:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, Just doing some general browsing online, and found the following site....some quite impressive images :o)))) http://www.aerialaesthetics.com PaulY Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria EDD: 08/08/02 <-------16 days to go Mommy and Daddy :o))))) http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:35:06 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. has been some nice lightning to my south this evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! Tim Eckert Hamilton ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 >From: "Clyve Herbert" >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. >To: > >Hi all. >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Clyve Herbert > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > Hi all. > Although a rather blandish sought of day down south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:52:12 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry Bussy, I may have taken your e-mail ambiguously This was your original e-mail: -------------------------------------------- My weather station as others do records a 0.2mm every morning that there is a heavy dew/frost or fog. Should these readings be deleted or are they counted as "official" rainfalls? BTW the forecast for here was for a foggy start and it was. How do I forecast or guess that there's going to be a fog? Any help greatly appreciated Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria) -------------------------- This was my response --------------------------- Hi Bussy, Yes. When I read rainfall, I record 0.1 or less as a trace, just above 0.1 to 0.2 for a 0.2 reading and then round off to every 0.2 after that. I normally write for the Bureau. F0.2 for fog D0.2 for dew, and R0.2 for rain. This helps indicate days with rain as compared to other types of precipitation But yes, please do count these. ------------------- So no you don't delete readings of 0.2 - they should be counted towards the total. But Rain of 0.2 should be counted as a rain day if you know it was rain. Not Fog not Dew. Is this correct Blair? Jimmy Deguara At 06:31 PM 23/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I'm confused now. Jimmy said to record it even though it was frost or fog >etc. >Maybe if I went away for a few days and didn't know whether it was fog or >actually rain, should I record it as rainfall???????? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Blair Trewin" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? > > > > > > > > Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell in >a > > > bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) > > > > > No - it has to be 0.2mm to register. (Accumulations from dew/fog/frost > > don't count as rain days either, although the application of this in the > > climate database has been known to be less than consistent). > > > > Blair > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:57:11 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Tim... Where is Dartmoor and where did you get this info? Don W Tim Eckert wrote: > > Hi Clyve. > has been some nice lightning to my south this > evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like > Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an > amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! > > Tim Eckert > Hamilton > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > >To: > > > >Hi all. > >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for > conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity > switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning > showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be > enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area > south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold > pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Clyve Herbert > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > > > > Hi all. > > Although a rather blandish sought of day down > south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity > southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also > some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through > northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes > in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:55:59 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com driving from mt. gambier to penola between 3:30 - 4:15 this arvo starting at tarpeena it absolutley bucketed down in places and medium to heavy rain for the rest, totally dried up just north of penola, a lovley surprise after a totally boring 8\8 strato morning. richard modistach naracoorte ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Eckert To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > Hi Clyve. > has been some nice lightning to my south this > evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like > Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an > amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! > > Tim Eckert > Hamilton > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > >To: > > > >Hi all. > >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for > conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity > switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning > showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be > enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area > south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold > pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Clyve Herbert > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > > > > Hi all. > > Although a rather blandish sought of day down > south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity > southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also > some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through > northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes > in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:44:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 10:46:41.0559 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AC7CA70:01C23236] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tim/ and Don.. Some of the radar returns were rather good in that area after 5pm, for Don, Dartmoor is part way between Heywood and Mt Gambier (far southwestern Vic), there seems to have been some warm advection above 850hpa ahead of the approaching trough also some cold advection above 500hpa associated with that weak vorticity area to your south. The colder air aloft can be tracked across the Aust Bight and came into the southwest around an upper low today. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Eckert To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > Hi Clyve. > has been some nice lightning to my south this > evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like > Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an > amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! > > Tim Eckert > Hamilton > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > >To: > > > >Hi all. > >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for > conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity > switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning > showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be > enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area > south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold > pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Clyve Herbert > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > > > > Hi all. > > Although a rather blandish sought of day down > south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity > southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also > some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through > northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes > in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 20:54:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 10:56:01.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[88884FE0:01C23237] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. If the AWS is correct Dartmoor is up to 43.6mm not bad for July, radar shows a considerable increase in rainfall activity across Victoria in the last 3 hours!, the average rainfall for Dartmoor in July is about 108mm.regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don White To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > Tim... > Where is Dartmoor and where did you get this info? > > Don W > > Tim Eckert wrote: > > > > Hi Clyve. > > has been some nice lightning to my south this > > evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like > > Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an > > amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! > > > > Tim Eckert > > Hamilton > > > > ---- Original message ---- > > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 > > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > >To: > > > > > >Hi all. > > >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for > > conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity > > switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning > > showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be > > enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area > > south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold > > pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Clyve Herbert > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Although a rather blandish sought of day down > > south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity > > southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also > > some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through > > northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes > > in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:56:48 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: THE CLOUD is photographed! X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have posted a copy at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/jea410.jpg - this surely must be THE CLOUD! I found it while going through the images at the link Paul Yole posted today: http://www.aerialaesthetics.com - and what great photos there are there. Some real beauties. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.134.133.8] From: "jak moon" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:23:56 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 11:23:56.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F09FCE0:01C2323B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dartmoor is located to the SSW of Casterton near the SA/Victorian border >From: Don White >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:57:11 +1000 > >Tim... >Where is Dartmoor and where did you get this info? > >Don W > >Tim Eckert wrote: > > > > Hi Clyve. > > has been some nice lightning to my south this > > evening. Not much rain here yet, but it looks like > > Dartmoor has copped the brunt of the storm with an > > amazing 42.8mm since 4.30pm this arvo!!!! > > > > Tim Eckert > > Hamilton > > > > ---- Original message ---- > > >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:22:46 +1000 > > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > >To: > > > > > >Hi all. > > >Just as soon as you mention the word bland for > > conditions in Victoria someone turned on the electricity > > switch. Been watching some reasonable lightning > > showing up in southwest Victoria, seems to be > > enhanced lifting on the north side of that vorticity area > > south of Mt Gambier, also appears to be a weak cold > > pool in western Vic as well. regards Clyve H. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Clyve Herbert > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:05 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: Weak vorticity Vic. > > > > > > > > > Hi all. > > > Although a rather blandish sought of day down > > south, just spotted a region of weak vorticity > > southwest of Mt Gambier moving east, there is also > > some enhanced mid level cloud drifting through > > northern Vic with patchy rain and a few green echoes > > in the southwest of Victoria. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: Makings of a Super-Region - A Potentially Stormy Future Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:04:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Massive things happening up there with old sol !!! Love Sha »§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.» ================================================================= This Is SKY & TELESCOPE's AstroAlert for Sun-Earth Interactions ================================================================= A s t r o A l e r t Sun-Earth Alert Solar Terrestrial Dispatch http://www.spacew.com 23 July 2002 A MOVIE of this event is available: http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html Watch solar activity in real-time: http://www.spacew.com/sunnow (updated every minute) MAKINGS OF A SUPER-REGION - A POTENTIALLY STORMY FUTURE The sunspot complex believed to be responsible for the X-class solar flare of 21 July rotated fully into view today and announced its arrival by spawning a spectacularly powerful class X4.8 solar flare. This significant flaring region has the potential to produce substantial effects at the Earth over the next two weeks if it can hold itself together that long. For the complete story, please visit: http://www.spacew.com/astroalert.html. There are too many illustrations required in this alert to present adequately through this e-mail. Please refer to the link above for details. This presumed proton flare produced a massive Moreton Wave and a high velocity partial halo coronal mass ejection (images of this activity are included on the web site). The next two weeks may see more "fire in the sky" than we have in the last 10 years if the spot complex continues to pump out activity at the furious rate that it is presumed to have produced over the last week. ** End of the AstroAlert Bulletin ** ================================================================== AstroAlert is a free service of SKY & TELESCOPE, the Essential Magazine of Astronomy (http://SkyandTelescope.com/). This e-mail was sent to AstroAlert subscribers. ==================================================================

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From: "Sha" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather images Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:08:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Beautiful site ........... thanks heaps Paul :))) Love Sha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Wx-Chase" ; "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:09 PM Subject: aus-wx: Weather images Hey All, Just doing some general browsing online, and found the following site....some quite impressive images :o)))) http://www.aerialaesthetics.com PaulY --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 1/07/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:37:50 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes thanks Ken. Jimmy Deguara At 03:20 AM 24/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy >I assume you mean Sydney. >In my opinion not really much to look forward to immediately. >Could be some rain between July 27th-29th but not a great deal - and I'd >expect it to clear again by 30th. >I'd be surprised if Sydney got more than 25mm in August and same for >September. >August's rain will be mainly between 6th-9th. >October could be lucky to see 10mm, but November, aha, I think you'll see >around 40-50mm. Most of that will be from 16th-24th November. >hope that helps >Ken >www.predictweather.com >home of longrange forecasting > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jimmy Deguara" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:01 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Are there any predictions you have with respect to significant rain event > > in the near future? > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 01:27 PM 23/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: > > >For any barograph owners out there.. > > >I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and >midnight, > > >year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a > > >barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this > > >up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. >If > > >anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just >name > > >a day in the last twenty years!). > > >Ideas anyone? > > >Ken > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Rainband. Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 00:20:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2002 14:22:02.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[501350C0:01C23254] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi all night owls.

Interesting to watch the intensification of the rain area as it moved from western Vic into central Victoria this evening,another band is moving onto the north-eastern ranges. keep it coming please regards Clyve H.

From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:49:01 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clive Just looking at my readout for last week - yes, same as you, a secondary trough beginning at about 0200 and starting to rise at 0800, reaching a peak between 1000hrs and 1200, falling at 1400 to dead low for the primary trough between 1400-1600. This is cool because even though our two locations are in different countries, and so would have atmospheric variations, nevertheless this commonality suggests a greater tide at work. I think we are both looking at the same thing. The crests you describe as being at 1100(primary) and 2300(secondary) are the very crests I am talking about. If you look back over 5 years you will see they always occur around those times of the day. If you do not attribute them both to a tide, what in your view causes them then? A solar-tide is all I can think of. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Phil and all. > The barograph is one of my favourite instruments, it shows so much of what > is going on in the atmosphere. In respect to variations found on the > barograph, several or more turn up. The first in my neck of the woods is the > diurnal 'wave' which shows up more prominently in the summer half of the > year, the wave shows a trough after 1400hrs extending to about 1700hrs,then > a secondary trough between 0400 and 0600 hrs. Crests show up around 0900 to > 1100hrs and again between 2100 and 2300hrs, I found no correlation in traces > at midday or midnight over a period of about 5 years. Some of the better > pressure jumps occur with thunderstorms and sea breezes. In winter there is > only weak diurnal variation at my latitude 38 south (smoothed) but this weak > variation conforms to the summer pattern give or take about one hour. > regards Clyve Herbert > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phil Smith > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > Hi Ken and all, > > I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in Hong Kong > > and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 minutes > > before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But these > > seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering every > > 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph throughout the > > day. > > I am interested to see what you are getting at. > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Ken Ring" > > To: > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 > > Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > > For any barograph owners out there.. > > > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > > > midnight, > > > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > > > a > > > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > > > this > > > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > > > mine. If > > > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > > > name > > > a day in the last twenty years!). > > > Ideas anyone? > > > Ken > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > + > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > - > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 03:20:08 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy I assume you mean Sydney. In my opinion not really much to look forward to immediately. Could be some rain between July 27th-29th but not a great deal - and I'd expect it to clear again by 30th. I'd be surprised if Sydney got more than 25mm in August and same for September. August's rain will be mainly between 6th-9th. October could be lucky to see 10mm, but November, aha, I think you'll see around 40-50mm. Most of that will be from 16th-24th November. hope that helps Ken www.predictweather.com home of longrange forecasting ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Ken, > > Are there any predictions you have with respect to significant rain event > in the near future? > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 01:27 PM 23/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: > >For any barograph owners out there.. > >I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and midnight, > >year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a > >barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this > >up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. If > >anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just name > >a day in the last twenty years!). > >Ideas anyone? > >Ken > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Rainband. Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:00:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

3.4mm in total until 7am this morning :-) Making a grand total of 20mm for the month here in Rutherglen.

But it all helps..........

Bussy

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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:20 AM

Subject: aus-wx: Vic Rainband.

Hi all night owls.

Interesting to watch the intensification of the rain area as it moved from western Vic into central Victoria this evening,another band is moving onto the north-eastern ranges. keep it coming please regards Clyve H.

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:32:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken, I obviously misunderstood you. Yesterday, when I checked the HK pressures there were "pimples" in the graph at about 1145 and 2345 local time. Today there are no pimples at those times. The overall graph, if you smooth it out, generally looks like a sine wave in shape, with today's graph showing close to 1006 hPa between about 0845 and 1115 (yesterday) and between 2200 and 0030 (last night). It shows around 1004 hPa from 1600 to 1900 and again from 0330 to 0530 this morning. There are a number of kinks upwards and downwards in the graphs, but as I cannot see previous days' graphs, I cannot compare them to look for kinks at specific times. I recall that the "sine wave" is always present, although it tilts very significantly when pressure is rising or falling, especially on the approach or departure of typhoons. I think I'll leave this issue for you fellows that own barographs to figure out. It's very interesting though. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 02:49:01 +1200 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > Hi Clive > Just looking at my readout for last week - yes, same as you, a > secondary > trough beginning at about 0200 and starting to rise at 0800, reaching a > peak > between 1000hrs and 1200, falling at 1400 to dead low for the primary > trough > between 1400-1600. This is cool because even though our two locations > are in > different countries, and so would have atmospheric variations, > nevertheless > this commonality suggests a greater tide at work. > I think we are both looking at the same thing. The crests you describe > as > being at 1100(primary) and 2300(secondary) are the very crests I am > talking > about. If you look back over 5 years you will see they always occur > around > those times of the day. If you do not attribute them both to a tide, > what in > your view causes them then? A solar-tide is all I can think of. > cheers > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clyve Herbert" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > Hi Phil and all. > > The barograph is one of my favourite instruments, it shows so much of > what > > is going on in the atmosphere. In respect to variations found on the > > barograph, several or more turn up. The first in my neck of the woods > is > the > > diurnal 'wave' which shows up more prominently in the summer half of > the > > year, the wave shows a trough after 1400hrs extending to about > 1700hrs,then > > a secondary trough between 0400 and 0600 hrs. Crests show up around > 0900 > to > > 1100hrs and again between 2100 and 2300hrs, I found no correlation in > traces > > at midday or midnight over a period of about 5 years. Some of the > better > > pressure jumps occur with thunderstorms and sea breezes. In winter > there > is > > only weak diurnal variation at my latitude 38 south (smoothed) but > this > weak > > variation conforms to the summer pattern give or take about one hour. > > regards Clyve Herbert > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Phil Smith > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 10:34 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > > > > Hi Ken and all, > > > I just checked the various pressure graphs for every station in > Hong > Kong > > > and noticed that there is a little kink up and then down about 15 > minutes > > > before the hour at the 12:00 and 00:00 points on every graph. But > these > > > seem insignificant beside the overall sine-wave-like curve covering > every > > > 24 hours. There are plenty of minor wobbles in the graph > throughout the > > > day. > > > I am interested to see what you are getting at. > > > > > > Phil > > > <>< > > > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Ken Ring" > > > To: > > > Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 13:27:39 +1200 > > > Subject: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > > > > For any barograph owners out there.. > > > > I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon > and > > > > midnight, > > > > year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't > believe > > > > a > > > > barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to > pick > > > > this > > > > up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I > mention > > > > mine. If > > > > anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. > Just > > > > name > > > > a day in the last twenty years!). > > > > Ideas anyone? > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > > + > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > > - > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Sha" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Fw: NASA to study lightning storms using high-flying uninhabited vehicle Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:39:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For your info. Love Sha »§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.»§«,¸¸,.·´¯`·.,¸¸,.·´¯`·.» §« ----- Original Message ----- From: "NASA Marshall News" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 6:58 AM Subject: NASA to study lightning storms using high-flying uninhabited vehicle National Space Science and Technology Center 320 Sparkman Drive, Huntsville AL 35805 For release: July 23, 2002 RELEASE: N02-007 NASA to study lightning storms using high-flying uninhabited vehicle To better understand both the causes of an electrical storm's fury and its effects on our home planet, NASA and university research scientists will use a tool no atmospheric scientist has ever used to study lightning -- an uninhabited aerial vehicle. The research is part of the Altus Cumulus Electrification Study (ACES), a collaboration among NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Ala.; the University of Alabama at Huntsville; NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.; Penn State University, University Park; and General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc., San Diego. Based at the Naval Air Station Key West in Florida, researchers in August will chase down thunderstorms using an uninhabited aerial vehicle, or "UAV" - allowing them to achieve dual goals of gathering weather data safely and testing new aircraft technology. This is expected to mark the first time a UAV is used to conduct lightning research. "What we learn has the potential to help forecasters improve weather prediction, especially for storms that may produce severe weather," said the study's principal investigator, Dr. Richard Blakeslee, a NASA atmospheric scientist at the Global Hydrology and Climate Center in Huntsville. "Also, by learning more about these individual storms, we hope to better understand weather on a global scale. "Using the aerial vehicle, we will make electric, magnetic and optical measurements of the thunderstorms, gauging elements such as lightning activity and the electrical environment in and around the storms," explained Blakeslee. "At the same time, ground-based radar and satellite observations will provide detailed information on the cloud properties and storm severity." This ground- and satellite-based data will include details on lightning flash rate, amount of precipitation and speed of updraft - providing a comprehensive view of the storm from the ground, as well as from the sky. By learning more about individual storms, scientists hope to better understand the global water and energy cycle as well as climate variability. The study also will provide federal, state and local governments with new disaster-management information for use during severe storms, floods and wildfires. In the process, researchers will learn more about UAV aircraft and how they can be used for future research missions. "The UAV is an exciting new technology," said Blakeslee. "By getting this close to storms, we're demonstrating the promise of using uninhabited aerial vehicles for meteorological applications." "The mission will utilize the Altus UAV -- built by General Atomics Aeronautical Systems - chosen for its slow flight speed of 70 to 100 knots (80 to 115 mph), long endurance, and high-altitude flight (up to 55,000 feet)," said ACES project manager Tony Kim of Marshall Space Flight Center. "The Altus boasts a wing span of 55 feet." These qualities give the Altus aircraft the ability to fly near thunderstorms for long periods of time, allowing investigations to be conducted over the entire life cycle of storms. 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Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 1/07/2002 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:27:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Help with research Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If anyone would like to and/or can help in the research for this book, I'll leave it to you. -------------------- Dear Jimmy, As discussed yesterday on the phone, I am asking if any of your members could help with a description of the weather and ocean conditions off Sydney Heads on August 2,3,4 1987. We have received information from the Bureau of Meteorology, and hope to get help from the archives at Manly Hydraulics. My husband is a retired naval officer, who was the Captain of HMAS Watson on the above dates. He watched the submarine OTAMA sail through the Heads on that fateful morning when two young sailors were subsequently lost from the submarine. He had previously been the captain of OTAMA and is now in the process of writing a book about the submarine. Any description or information relating to the Sydney Heads area on those dates would be appreciated. Our phone # 03 94497856 Our fax # 0393902057 With thanks, Barbara Dunne ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: Makings of a Super-Region - A Potentially Stormy Future Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:06:31 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

hi sha

exellent stuff, hope we get whacked, whoops, is that good or bad?

regards

richard modistach

naracoorte

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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: Makings of a Super-Region - A Potentially Stormy Future

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X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 19:00:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, "weather mailing list" From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Fw: AstroAlert: Makings of a Super-Region - A Potentially Stormy Future Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:06 PM 24/07/2002 +0930, richard modistach wrote: >hi sha > >exellent stuff, hope we get whacked, whoops, is that good or bad? The bands will most likely suck, the odd satellite may die, some VHF signals will behave strangely, but we could get an AWSOME light show to the south!!! :) I will never forget the 1989 aurora. That was really something - most the the sky lit up in brilliant crimson. :) From a visual perspective, I hope we get "whacked". :-) Oh, and some fine weather at night wouldn't go astray either. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:49:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Well, I must admit that I'm confused by my own bush theories. Frogs active in warmer weather usually means a change etc etc but frogs heard in the distance in the middle of July has really thrown me. This time of year frogs normally "disappear" as butterflies do when it rains. We have had a few real doozie frosts and now the frogs are singing. I'll keep a watch to see what nature sends our way. The croaks are very noticeable.

Any theories Clyve? Grin.

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: Forgot to add to "frogs" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:54:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Noticed today a "herd" of calves bouncing around in a very playful mood which a long time ago someone said that a decent change is coming in the weather. Prove me wrong, but I've heard that this is because they are very touchy to atmospheric changes.

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:43:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2002 11:45:47.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[A6CD5F60:01C23307] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Bussie.

Well seeing you have mentioned the frog word, they were croaking all yesterday afternoon, which also surprised me somewhat! Anyway, I went inside and had a look at the sat pic and saw this small vorticity area southwest of Mt Gambier, and a look at the radar, was showing up some pretty decent echoes around the Dartmoor area and through south west Vic. I was also swarmed by Mosquitoes in the back yard which I thought was rather odd, the official forecast was for just a few showers. So I kept an eye on the approaching 'weak ' front........ the frogs and mosquitoes were not wrong, falls of between 38mm and 12mm affected the west central district. I clocked up 10mm, the best fall since May, in respect to cows I have a cow paddock behind my property, when something photogenic is around I wander up to the top of Leopold hill, if the cows are in that particular field they all follow me up to the top..I could go on all night , but I can say this, I would never ignore a theory or idea on weather no matter how crazy it sounds....regards Clyve Herbert

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From: Bussy

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Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:49 PM

Subject: aus-wx: Frogs

Well, I must admit that I'm confused by my own bush theories. Frogs active in warmer weather usually means a change etc etc but frogs heard in the distance in the middle of July has really thrown me. This time of year frogs normally "disappear" as butterflies do when it rains. We have had a few real doozie frosts and now the frogs are singing. I'll keep a watch to see what nature sends our way. The croaks are very noticeable.

Any theories Clyve? Grin.

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:28:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, At 09:43 PM 24/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I would never ignore a theory or idea on weather no matter how crazy it >sounds....regards Clyve Herbert Good point Clyve!!! I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and the weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people are often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know of people who do also react consistently with weather changes. Cheers. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: aus-wx: full moon Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:58:24 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

dead clear sky, ripper of a full moon tonight.

i've noticed that the full moon has a high attitude during winter and a low attitude during summer, has it always been like this or does it slowly cycle?

richard modistach

naracoorte

From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:07:51 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com i know a guy who gets all sorts of aches and pains when there's a system coming, but i also know hes a hypocondriac and watches the weather maps like a hawk.lol one thing i did notice was that we had bugger all bugs around lights at night time last summer. good in a way but wierd. it was a cool summer but not that cool. richard modistach naracoorte ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > Hello, > > At 09:43 PM 24/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >I would never ignore a theory or idea on weather no matter how crazy it > >sounds....regards Clyve Herbert > > > Good point Clyve!!! > > I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and the > weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people are > often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know of > people who do also react consistently with weather changes. > > Cheers. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:22:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hello:

As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like this 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well.

Any theories would be appreciated Enjoy David Powell

From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 13:54:45 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Richard

It's a constant. Year in and year out. Forever.

Also, it's always in the southern hemisphere around southern declination on Full moon in the southern hemisphere winter, whereas the New moon in the southern hemisphere winter is in the northern hemisphere. For that reason Full moon time in winter usually brings more unsettled weather to the southern hemisphere than the New moon time. The reason is that the moon is exerting more gravitational effect causing more wind and water action with deeper air and water tides. You will nearly always see the Full moon because it has the effect of clearing the sky. Therefore thiis alone can be predicted way ahead.

cheers

Ken Ring

www.predictweather.com

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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:28 AM

Subject: aus-wx: full moon

dead clear sky, ripper of a full moon tonight.

i've noticed that the full moon has a high attitude during winter and a low attitude during summer, has it always been like this or does it slowly cycle?

richard modistach

naracoorte

From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:24:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All, What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. PaulY Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria EDD: 08/08/02 http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:51:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Yes Dave,

The problem is that you are actually a Sun-God, which is the opposite of Rain-God (or if you like, a rain-Devil). Therefore rain and particularly good storms will avoid you if at all possible. Regrettably, I also am a Sun-God and, as is it turns out, so are most storm chasers.

Regards,

John.

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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:23 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Hello:

       As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like this 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

        A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well.

         Any theories would be appreciated           Enjoy        David Powell

From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:54:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 24C in Brisbane as we speak :) -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Paul Yole Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:25 PM To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hey All, What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. PaulY Paul Yole State Rep - ASWA Victoria EDD: 08/08/02 http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:21:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or has any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in fact, as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature increases dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold moonless nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner atmosphere it has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from the surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it is well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due in this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me that if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then it should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... So I would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full moon and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new moon and colder nights. Regards, John W. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Paul It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon as the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, just like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, airtide out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on night temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always colder than full moon nights. Ken Ring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hey All, > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > EDD: 08/08/02 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 06:26:53.0521 (UTC) FILETIME=[44697410:01C233A4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul. On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern Vic and southern NSW experience severe frost, this results in the modification of the lower one or two kilometres of air. The modification of widespread radiational cooling on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting in the way it can affect the expected maximum temps in areas of Australia such as southern Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. Simply put, as air cools at night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after two or more nights the depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep up to 1.5k to 2k deep. Enter one trough or approaching front with its associated cloud band on a day after widespread severe frost over large areas of northern Victoria and you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. With the lack of sun power due to overcast conditions and an increasing northerly flow a good deal of this low level cold air is then advected southward to bring surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm air from the north, this true in a way if you check the soundings you should find this relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this upper warm layer rides over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a way this whole process is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower layers, such conditions in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some of the lowest air temps in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot more worth discussion on this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions Parts of low lying Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a north wind such as today!. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yole To: Australian Weather Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hey All, > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > EDD: 08/08/02 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 01:35:36 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I thought it MAY be because the people to our West & East must be praying a little harder. I must remember to wash my car, have a cookout, plan a yard sale, etc., to enhance my rain chances. :)

Have a GREAT week.(I really do think the people to our East get a good amount more rain than Mena does).

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From: John Woodbridge

To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:51 AM

Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Yes Dave,

The problem is that you are actually a Sun-God, which is the opposite of Rain-God (or if you like, a rain-Devil). Therefore rain and particularly good storms will avoid you if at all possible. Regrettably, I also am a Sun-God and, as is it turns out, so are most storm chasers.

Regards,

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:23 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Hello:

       As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like this 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

        A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well.

         Any theories would be appreciated           Enjoy        David Powell

From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:24:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon as the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, just like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, airtide out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on night temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always colder than full moon nights. Ken Ring ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hey All, > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > EDD: 08/08/02 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hot Stuff Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 02:26:43 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hello Wx People:

In my endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high temperature in Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of 99F(37.2C). You could have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think you'd need to use a WHOLE BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, Winter will be over before you know it! C-Ya'll Later.

From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot Stuff Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:41:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Yes hot indeed. I noticed on our SBS channel last night temp forecasts for Kuwait and (I think) Bahrain, of 48C and 47C respectively. And these cities are close to water unlike Death Valley. Amazing temps really.

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Hot Stuff

Hello Wx People:

In my endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high temperature in Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of 99F(37.2C). You could have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think you'd need to use a WHOLE BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, Winter will be over before you know it! C-Ya'll Later.

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:47:02 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Stuff Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 53.3 , that is a very impressive temp !

Matt Smith

arky dave wrote:

Hello Wx People: In my endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high temperature in Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of 99F(37.2C). You could have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think you'd need to use a WHOLE BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, Winter will be over before you know it! C-Ya'll Later.

X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:20:01 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 08:20:01.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[12943D70:01C233B4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com OK, thanks for that info, the 34 day stretch in Sydney was broken anyway the next day, there was even 2 rolls of thunder in Berowra Waters where I was working on Wednesday which was fantastic. It is funny that it doesnt count as a rain day when I was out there getting all excited cause of the rain, even if it was only very light. 702AM had count the raindrops competition that morning, i think the winner counted 54!... Rune >From: Blair Trewin >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does trace count as rainday? >Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:05:42 +1000 (EST) > > > > > Thanx Blair, but then would trace count as a rain day if it fell in >a > > bureau gauge. (Just for my own personal gauge record),, :) > > >No - it has to be 0.2mm to register. (Accumulations from dew/fog/frost >don't count as rain days either, although the application of this in the >climate database has been known to be less than consistent). > >Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 18:34:28 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

arky, i'm in one of those here, for the last 6 yrs. in fact, i've complained about it numerous times on the aus-wx and weatherzone, no one's ever replied to my complaints so i assume im the only one with a noticable effect, it's really wierd and has beem driving me absolutley nuts, there's beem times when ive been so fustrated i've gone outside, shaken my fist in the air and screamed out "why me". my theory is it's something to do with the earths geological magnetic flux, unevenly distributed and constantly changing. a bit like sunspots, areas of high magnetic flux appear, move around a bit and then dissappear, weather might tend to avoid or lessen over these areas of high flux, i dunno, just my bs theory because no one seems to beable to come up with anything better. for you is this a short term thing or is it something thats been going on since records began.

----- Original Message -----

From: arky dave

To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:52 AM

Subject: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Hello:

A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well.

Any theories would be appreciated Enjoy David Powell

X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:22:50 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 11:58 PM 24/07/2002 +0930, you wrote: >dead clear sky, ripper of a full moon tonight. >i've noticed that the full moon has a high attitude during winter and a >low attitude during summer, has it always been like this or does it slowly >cycle? There is a perfectly good reason for this. You can follow along if you have a globe of the Earth (or basketball with a bit more imagination) and a light source. In summer (let's assume Southern Hemisphere summer :) ), the Earth is in a position where the Southern Hemisphere is tilted "up" to face the Sun. If you look at this setup, you'll also notice that the Southern Hemisphere is tilted _AWAY_ from the night side (i.e. where a full moon will appear, so the full moon will appear low in the sky. In winter, the situation is reversed, with the Southern Hemisphere tilted away from the Sun and towards the full moon, so the winter full moon is high in the night sky. In actual fact, summer and winter are exactly the same thing, except the relative positions of sun and moon are interchanged. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:23:08 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of any records broken? Thanks. Tim Eckert Hamilton SW Victoria ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 >From: "Clyve Herbert" >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 >To: > >Hi Paul. >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern Vic and southern NSW >experience severe frost, this results in the modification of the lower one >or two kilometres of air. The modification of widespread radiational cooling >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting in the way it can >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of Australia such as southern >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. Simply put, as air cools at >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after two or more nights the >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep up to 1.5k to 2k deep. >Enter one trough or approaching front with its associated cloud band on a >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of northern Victoria and >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. With the lack of sun >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing northerly flow a good >deal of this low level cold air is then advected southward to bring >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm air from the north, >this true in a way if you check the soundings you should find this >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this upper warm layer rides >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a way this whole process >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower layers, such conditions >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some of the lowest air temps >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot more worth discussion on >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions Parts of low lying >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a north wind such as >today!. regards Clyve H. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Paul Yole >To: Australian Weather Mailing List >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > >> Hey All, >> >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: >> >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 >> >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. >> >> PaulY >> >> Paul Yole >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria >> EDD: 08/08/02 >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ >> >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- ----------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- -------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 19:53:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, I do believe it is affected by the effect of land features. As many people have heard me say many times, Schofields and part of Sydney is affected in a similar way. However, one also must make sure you have had measured this observational change. Based on optical illusions, looking directly perpendicular at rain bands for instance LOOKS lighter/less dense in terms of rainfall than looking at an oblique angle to the left and right. So assuming even equal amounts of rainfall, it will appear lighter right ahead of you in the approaching band rather than towards the left and right. However, taking this into account, there are regions that seem to miss events more than others. I have measured it here time and time again. We had 3.2mm of rain yesterday but it seemed more rain fell to the west and south of here. But there have been some impressive differences which tend to mostly favour other regions. The regions around Bankstown in Sydney's south west seem to favour severe weather events than most regions in Sydney and in particular during certain years. I do believe that wind flow effects from topography have a lot to do with it, not just the source where the thunderstorms develop. Jimmy Deguara At 05:22 PM 24/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hello: > As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) > afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times > in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, > etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the > mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes > to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few > light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this > phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like > this 3 times in the last 2 weeks. > A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us > 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from > hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well. > Any theories would be appreciated Enjoy David > Powell ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:13:51 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Micheal, At 08:18 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >This is an interesting point Jimmy. One half of me agrees, the other when I >see drowning animals in floods makes me think that they aren't. Drowning animals? How come? Because they are in a paddock and have nowhere else to go? Knock down the fences and try and find out what animals will TRY and do. But that is my view anyway. Jimmy Deguara >I do think us humans have done a good job on ignoring our own scenses. For >example a chimp or gorilla has about the same degree of sense of smell as a >human, they constantly use their's to investigate food or other members of >the group. Yet we humans almost totally ignore ours. > >Michael > > > > > > > Good point Clyve!!! > > > > I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and the > > weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people are > > often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know of > > people who do also react consistently with weather changes. > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:18:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is an interesting point Jimmy. One half of me agrees, the other when I see drowning animals in floods makes me think that they aren't. I do think us humans have done a good job on ignoring our own scenses. For example a chimp or gorilla has about the same degree of sense of smell as a human, they constantly use their's to investigate food or other members of the group. Yet we humans almost totally ignore ours. Michael > > > Good point Clyve!!! > > I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and the > weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people are > often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know of > people who do also react consistently with weather changes. > > Cheers. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:19:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I'm an ignoramus and always wanted to ask this. What's the difference between a full moon and a New one?

I always interpreted a new moon as being just that, a big shining moon the same as a full one. So is a new moon one that is just starting to show again, after the Earths "eclipse"?

----- Original Message -----

From: Ken Ring

To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:54 AM

Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon

Richard

It's a constant. Year in and year out. Forever.

Also, it's always in the southern hemisphere around southern declination on Full moon in the southern hemisphere winter, whereas the New moon in the southern hemisphere winter is in the northern hemisphere. For that reason Full moon time in winter usually brings more unsettled weather to the southern hemisphere than the New moon time. The reason is that the moon is exerting more gravitational effect causing more wind and water action with deeper air and water tides. You will nearly always see the Full moon because it has the effect of clearing the sky. Therefore thiis alone can be predicted way ahead.

cheers

Ken Ring

www.predictweather.com

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From: richard modistach

To: weather mailing list

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:28 AM

Subject: aus-wx: full moon

dead clear sky, ripper of a full moon tonight.

i've noticed that the full moon has a high attitude during winter and a low attitude during summer, has it always been like this or does it slowly cycle?

richard modistach

naracoorte

From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:38:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I punched in a minus 3 at 6.37am this morning and rocketed up to 11.3 at 1.48pm. A very stable 7.5 at present. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Eckert" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The > maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today > was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning > at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our > maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just > below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would > be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve > or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of > any records broken? > Thanks. > Tim Eckert > Hamilton SW Victoria > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > >To: > > > >Hi Paul. > >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern > Vic and southern NSW > >experience severe frost, this results in the > modification of the lower one > >or two kilometres of air. The modification of > widespread radiational cooling > >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting > in the way it can > >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of > Australia such as southern > >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. > Simply put, as air cools at > >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after > two or more nights the > >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep > up to 1.5k to 2k deep. > >Enter one trough or approaching front with its > associated cloud band on a > >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of > northern Victoria and > >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. > With the lack of sun > >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing > northerly flow a good > >deal of this low level cold air is then advected > southward to bring > >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm > air from the north, > >this true in a way if you check the soundings you > should find this > >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this > upper warm layer rides > >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a > way this whole process > >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower > layers, such conditions > >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some > of the lowest air temps > >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot > more worth discussion on > >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions > Parts of low lying > >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a > north wind such as > >today!. regards Clyve H. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Paul Yole > >To: Australian Weather Mailing List weather at world.std.com> > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM > >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > >> Hey All, > >> > >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you > freeze! Anyone got an > >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > >> > >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > >> > >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here > today. > >> > >> PaulY > >> > >> Paul Yole > >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >> EDD: 08/08/02 > >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > >> > >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to > say" > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- > ----------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- > -------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 20:50:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:19 PM 25/07/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I'm an ignoramus and always wanted to ask this. What's the difference >between a full moon and a New one? >I always interpreted a new moon as being just that, a big shining moon the >same as a full one. So is a new moon one that is just starting to show >again, after the Earths "eclipse"? Full moon is as the name suggests, the big bright disc in the sky at night. A new moon is the opposite, it's invisible, as it's between the sun and the earth. If the new moon lines up perfectly between the earth and sun, you get a solar eclipse. 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:09:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:50 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > If the new moon lines up perfectly between the earth and sun, you get a > solar eclipse. Yes and you hide under your desk as they did in the 50's!!!! What a shame to miss an event like that in New South Wales. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:12:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I was thinking animals like Kangaroos, snakes, lizards, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > Hi Micheal, > > At 08:18 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >This is an interesting point Jimmy. One half of me agrees, the other when I > >see drowning animals in floods makes me think that they aren't. > > Drowning animals? How come? Because they are in a paddock and have nowhere > else to go? Knock down the fences and try and find out what animals will > TRY and do. But that is my view anyway. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > >I do think us humans have done a good job on ignoring our own scenses. For > >example a chimp or gorilla has about the same degree of sense of smell as a > >human, they constantly use their's to investigate food or other members of > >the group. Yet we humans almost totally ignore ours. > > > >Michael > > > > > > > > > > > Good point Clyve!!! > > > > > > I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and the > > > weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people are > > > often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know of > > > people who do also react consistently with weather changes. > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:17:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Well I'm glad I at last know the answer why storms glance at 45 degress angles around Wollongong.

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From: John Woodbridge

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Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:51 PM

Subject: RE: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Yes Dave,

The problem is that you are actually a Sun-God, which is the opposite of Rain-God (or if you like, a rain-Devil). Therefore rain and particularly good storms will avoid you if at all possible. Regrettably, I also am a Sun-God and, as is it turns out, so are most storm chasers.

Regards,

John.

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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:23 AM
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Subject: aus-wx: ...any theories?

Hello:

       As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like this 3 times in the last 2 weeks.

        A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well.

         Any theories would be appreciated           Enjoy        David Powell

From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:18:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2002 11:20:19.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[42734CC0:01C233CD] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tim. The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I know the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide is 8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of low maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Eckert To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The > maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today > was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning > at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our > maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just > below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would > be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve > or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of > any records broken? > Thanks. > Tim Eckert > Hamilton SW Victoria > > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 > >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > >To: > > > >Hi Paul. > >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern > Vic and southern NSW > >experience severe frost, this results in the > modification of the lower one > >or two kilometres of air. The modification of > widespread radiational cooling > >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting > in the way it can > >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of > Australia such as southern > >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. > Simply put, as air cools at > >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after > two or more nights the > >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep > up to 1.5k to 2k deep. > >Enter one trough or approaching front with its > associated cloud band on a > >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of > northern Victoria and > >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. > With the lack of sun > >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing > northerly flow a good > >deal of this low level cold air is then advected > southward to bring > >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm > air from the north, > >this true in a way if you check the soundings you > should find this > >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this > upper warm layer rides > >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a > way this whole process > >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower > layers, such conditions > >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some > of the lowest air temps > >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot > more worth discussion on > >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions > Parts of low lying > >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a > north wind such as > >today!. regards Clyve H. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Paul Yole > >To: Australian Weather Mailing List weather at world.std.com> > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM > >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > >> Hey All, > >> > >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you > freeze! Anyone got an > >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > >> > >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > >> > >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here > today. > >> > >> PaulY > >> > >> Paul Yole > >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >> EDD: 08/08/02 > >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > >> > >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to > say" > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- > ----------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- > -------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:26:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:09 PM 25/07/2002 +1000, you wrote: >At 08:50 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >> If the new moon lines up perfectly between the earth and sun, you get a >> solar eclipse. > > >Yes and you hide under your desk as they did in the 50's!!!! What a shame >to miss an event like that in New South Wales. Nah, I'm out there watching. I can never forget the total solar eclipse of 1976. Was only 8, but spent the afternoon out in it, with projection screen at the ready. :-) Unfortunately, I can't see myself getting to Ceduna on Dec 4. :-( 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:29:43 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, Never mind. I have heard of snakes being swept downstream but this is in the case more of Warragamba opening the flood gates that I have heard. It may also occur with slower rising floods? It does not however prove that the animals did not know and have not taken steps? The animals have been observed up in trees, tortoises (turtles) in the middle of a road higher up the hill normally, black cockatoos have been observed reacting to the rise in humidity in the bush. I have always believed in this behaviour was linked to the weather. How accurate it is, one does not know. As I said, even some humans have reactions prior to weather. Again, how accurate, well it depends on how one interprets it as well. Perhaps related to a significant change in weather conditions. I was however more referring to the ability for insects such as ants (and their nests and also slugs to sense the weather. Even cockroaches behave just before the rain. I have suggested this in the past. But now I also make reference to animals and their reactions to earthquakes. Has this been accounted for in studies? I do recall they were trying to check how chickens react before earthquakes? This was in a documentary a few years back. I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to discuss. Jimmy Deguara At 09:12 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I was thinking animals like Kangaroos, snakes, lizards, etc. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jimmy Deguara" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 8:13 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > Hi Micheal, > > > > At 08:18 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >This is an interesting point Jimmy. One half of me agrees, the other when >I > > >see drowning animals in floods makes me think that they aren't. > > > > Drowning animals? How come? Because they are in a paddock and have nowhere > > else to go? Knock down the fences and try and find out what animals will > > TRY and do. But that is my view anyway. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > >I do think us humans have done a good job on ignoring our own scenses. >For > > >example a chimp or gorilla has about the same degree of sense of smell as >a > > >human, they constantly use their's to investigate food or other members >of > > >the group. Yet we humans almost totally ignore ours. > > > > > >Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good point Clyve!!! > > > > > > > > I have definitely observed consistent behaviour between animals and >the > > > > weather. I have said this in the past. I sometimes think that people >are > > > > often not as sensitive as animals in this prediction sense. But I know >of > > > > people who do also react consistently with weather changes. > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > > > from > > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:32:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Of course Jimmy is right about land features, in Wollongong it is no imaginery doughnut hole, storms do seem to go south or north. Of course this is not always the case but there are two distinct storm highways for want of a better word. The ones that move south of Wollongong typically occur when steering winds are W/NW to NW. These storms often start near Bowral and there is a higher ridge of ground running S/SE from Bowral towards Gerringong / Nowra. Storms are able to stay active along this ridge. Far less storms form directly NW of Wollongong as the land is much lower. The ones that seem to move to our north are slightly different, on rare occasions these can be Sydney supercells. They form again in that Bowral area, but under a W/SW steering wind. They follow the Neapean / Camden Valley down into western Sydney. Often the capping is very strong once into the valley, and most days the storms fizzle well before getting anyway near Sydney. But the ones that do benefit from extra mositure and heat. Wollongong's main woe is the seabreeze inversion, it simply knocks the wind out of most storms sails. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:53 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? > Hi David, > > I do believe it is affected by the effect of land features. As many people > have heard me say many times, Schofields and part of Sydney is affected in > a similar way. However, one also must make sure you have had measured this > observational change. Based on optical illusions, looking directly > perpendicular at rain bands for instance LOOKS lighter/less dense in terms > of rainfall than looking at an oblique angle to the left and right. So > assuming even equal amounts of rainfall, it will appear lighter right ahead > of you in the approaching band rather than towards the left and right. > > However, taking this into account, there are regions that seem to miss > events more than others. I have measured it here time and time again. We > had 3.2mm of rain yesterday but it seemed more rain fell to the west and > south of here. But there have been some impressive differences which tend > to mostly favour other regions. The regions around Bankstown in Sydney's > south west seem to favour severe weather events than most regions in Sydney > and in particular during certain years. I do believe that wind flow effects > from topography have a lot to do with it, not just the source where the > thunderstorms develop. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 05:22 PM 24/7/2002 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello: > > As I've mentioned it seems the "doughnut-Hole Effect"(my own term) > > afflicts Mena every so often(a few times this year and a number of times > > in the past). An area of rain will be heading for us(from a Cold front, > > etc), just as the cloudmass is a few miles to our North(near the > > mountain) we see lightning/hear thunder; the storm splits and part goes > > to our West and part slides off to the Northeast---leaving us with a few > > light sprinkles or no rain at all. Do you have any theories on this > > phenomena? Does this happen often in AUS/NZ? We have been teased like > > this 3 times in the last 2 weeks. > > A Canadian cold front(weak) did come through today and give us > > 1IN(25.4mm)rain. The times we've been teased are not only from > > hit-or-miss showers but are from cold fronts as well. > > Any theories would be appreciated Enjoy David > > Powell > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 21:19:42 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all Mt Gambier apparently had a max of only 7 degrees today. Coldest max for 20 years. A very large range of maximums in SA for July with a couple of northern centres recording 31! Phil >Hi Tim. >The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I know >the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide is >8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps >around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of low >maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve Herbert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tim Eckert >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > >> I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The >> maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today >> was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning >> at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our >> maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just >> below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would >> be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve >> or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of >> any records broken? >> Thanks. >> Tim Eckert >> Hamilton SW Victoria >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 >> >From: "Clyve Herbert" >> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 >> >To: >> > >> >Hi Paul. >> >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern >> Vic and southern NSW >> >experience severe frost, this results in the >> modification of the lower one >> >or two kilometres of air. The modification of >> widespread radiational cooling >> >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting >> in the way it can >> >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of >> Australia such as southern >> >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. >> Simply put, as air cools at >> >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after >> two or more nights the >> >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep >> up to 1.5k to 2k deep. >> >Enter one trough or approaching front with its >> associated cloud band on a >> >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of >> northern Victoria and >> >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. >> With the lack of sun >> >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing >> northerly flow a good >> >deal of this low level cold air is then advected >> southward to bring >> >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm >> air from the north, >> >this true in a way if you check the soundings you >> should find this >> >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this >> upper warm layer rides >> >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a >> way this whole process >> >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower >> layers, such conditions >> >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some >> of the lowest air temps >> >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot >> more worth discussion on >> >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions >> Parts of low lying >> >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a >> north wind such as >> >today!. regards Clyve H. >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: Paul Yole >> >To: Australian Weather Mailing List > weather at world.std.com> >> >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM >> >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 >> > >> > >> >> Hey All, >> >> >> >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you >> freeze! Anyone got an >> >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: >> >> >> >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 >> >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 >> >> >> >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here >> today. >> >> >> >> PaulY >> >> >> >> Paul Yole >> >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria >> >> EDD: 08/08/02 >> >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ >> >> >> >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to >> say" >> >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> to:majordomo at world.std.com >> >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather >> your_email_address" in the body of your >> >> message. >> >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- >> ----------------- >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather >> your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- >> -------------- >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 22:03:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:32 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Wollongong's main woe is the seabreeze inversion, it simply knocks the wind >out of most storms sails. Hi Michael, Are you suggesting that the sea breeze does not make it over the escarpment? Can you explain further? I take it you mean the cap. One thing I noticed at Wollongong this last season was that NW winds were fairly shallow and thence did not allow sufficient moisture thickness to build up. This is why I didn't chase down that way on certain days when marginal situations were expected. The same happened at Dorrigo also last summer and is why NE NSW did not get such a good season. It is ideal for moisture and N-NE winds to exist further up in the atmosphere to say about 850hPa. I can't wait until we get situations where geostrophic NE flow develops with troughs nearer the ranges. Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:38:59 +0100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Norman Lynagh Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In message <000d01c233a4$06924ea0$111d8aca at hppav>, Clyve Herbert writes >Hi Paul. >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern Vic and southern NSW >experience severe frost, this results in the modification of the lower one >or two kilometres of air. The modification of widespread radiational cooling >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting in the way it can >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of Australia such as southern >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. Simply put, as air cools at >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after two or more nights the >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep up to 1.5k to 2k deep. >Enter one trough or approaching front with its associated cloud band on a >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of northern Victoria and >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. With the lack of sun >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing northerly flow a good >deal of this low level cold air is then advected southward to bring >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm air from the north, >this true in a way if you check the soundings you should find this >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this upper warm layer rides >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a way this whole process >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower layers, such conditions >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some of the lowest air temps >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot more worth discussion on >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions Parts of low lying >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a north wind such as >today!. regards Clyve H. >- Similarly, here in southern England the lowest daytime maxima often occur with a SE wind. This is the direction of minimum sea track for cold low-level air travelling from continental Europe. Norman. =================================================================== Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St. Giles England =================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:15:04 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John > so to say that it is cold, or has > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, which also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just as heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the only answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space has been measured at minus 220. > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > warmer... I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then it > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to a greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or has > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in fact, > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature increases > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold moonless > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner atmosphere it > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from the > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it is > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due in > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me that > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then it > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... So I > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full moon > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new moon > and colder nights. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Paul > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon as > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, just > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, airtide > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on night > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > colder than full moon nights. > Ken Ring > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Yole" > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hey All, > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > PaulY > > > > Paul Yole > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussy" To: "aussie-weather" Subject: aus-wx: We're lazy Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:49:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Jimmy said:

I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you
relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more
aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to
discuss.

I think we've all become a little "lazy" as its so easy to let the BoM tell us what the weather is going to be like or check out the radars and Sat pics etc.

If we had no electricity then we'd all have to go back to watching nature and her signs :-)

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: A warm cold front? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:47:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 04:49:13.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[CA2BC9C0:01C2345F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi all.

A bit of a puzzle to see how temps have risen across Victoria after the passage of last nights 'cold front', In the west of Victoria temperatures are almost 10c higher than yesterday with similar increases over parts of the Wimmera and northern Vic also, a check of the soundings show an interesting set up with this cold front becoming a warm occlusion at the surface but retaining cold front characteristic above 2000m. A nice cold pool shuffling into the western parts of the Australian Bight this afternoon with a bit of luck we may see some better weather across the southeast this weekend. regards Clyve H.

From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:01:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > discuss. > > This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is from storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it would not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:18:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The seabreeze does of course make it over the escarpment, but not always, often only 5km or so over before being more of a N wind, still often moist but more typical of what Jimmy would be getting at his home. You would be surprised ! That slug of seabreeze is 700m thicker at sealevel than Robertson / Bowral and often very thin once west of Robertson. I have seen fog on numerous occasions in NE winds hugging the top Macquarie pass, only to get to Robertson to watch it being sheared back east. I remember on vivid occasion about 2 weeks before Christmas, we went to a farm just west of Robertson to buy a Christmas tree. In Mount Warrigal 2km from the ocean it was a typical early summer day, 23-25C with a stiff NE seabreeze. On top of Macquarie pass it foggy, we stopped at the pie shop and it was quite cool, uncomfortable in just a T shirt. We continued on the the Christmas tree farm which is located about 10km NW of Robertson, no sooner we pulled off the main street of Robertson then brilliant sunshine reappeared. Not only that it was very warm too, in fact I estimate about 28C. That raises another point - often in early summer mid afternoon temps are higher at Bowral then Wollongong. Storms don't usually form over Robertson itself, but usually further inland towards Moss Vale and Bowral, where it is warmer with only the loss of about 100m in altitude. The sea breeze is the culprit again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ...any theories? > At 09:32 PM 25/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Wollongong's main woe is the seabreeze inversion, it simply knocks the wind > >out of most storms sails. > > > Hi Michael, > > Are you suggesting that the sea breeze does not make it over the > escarpment? Can you explain further? > > I take it you mean the cap. One thing I noticed at Wollongong this last > season was that NW winds were fairly shallow and thence did not allow > sufficient moisture thickness to build up. This is why I didn't chase down > that way on certain days when marginal situations were expected. The same > happened at Dorrigo also last summer and is why NE NSW did not get such a > good season. It is ideal for moisture and N-NE winds to exist further up in > the atmosphere to say about 850hPa. > > I can't wait until we get situations where geostrophic NE flow develops > with troughs nearer the ranges. > > Jimmy Deguara > > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:23:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > discuss. > > This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is from storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it would not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:54:08 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, Thanks for that. It is a known fact that animals do sense earthquakes before we do. Perhaps because we wear shoes:) I again suggest that animals can also somehow sense an increase in moisture etc "before" the event Michael. I believe it is the case especially if they rely on it for survival. During the event, obviously we have better knowledge than them in keeping safe. Jimmy Deguara At 03:23 PM 26/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > >Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake >in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things >they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then >running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > >So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our >senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have >senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > >John. > >snip > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael >Thompson >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > > discuss. > > > > >This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or >otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the >same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant >with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many >miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm >indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is from >storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > >However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know >that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it would >not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on >developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses >that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no >better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > >Michael > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:01:44 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Tim. > The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I know > the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide is > 8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps > around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of low > maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve Herbert. Just had the chance to check this after a couple of days with a dead PC. Hamilton is one of the few stations that reports its max temps on a time different to 0900 local time (it uses 1200-1200 UTC, or 2200-2200 EST), due to a quirk of a particular generation of communications software (now being phased out), so the 6.2 max to 2200 last night goes into the database as the 'official' max (despite the 7 at 0900 today). 6.2 is the lowest on record for the current site, which has been in operation since 1983. The previous record was 6.3 on 8 July 1986 (the event you mention above). I don't know what observation time was in use in 1986, so I'm not sure if we're strictly comparing like with like here. At the now-closed Hamilton Research site, it was 5.8 on 8 July 1986, and 6.0 on 23 June 1981. No other station I looked at seriously threatened any records, although Nhill's 7.7 was its lowest max since 1989. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:21:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, all I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most texts on meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude increases. Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then temperature increases rapidly above 100km. This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the molecules which by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. The mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as this decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the vastness of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to any body with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a better word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a drop in temperature (according to the ideal gas law). I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full moon created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies would lead to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical evidence to that side, so I will leave it there. Craig Arthur -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi John > so to say that it is cold, or has > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, which also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just as heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the only answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space has been measured at minus 220. > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > warmer... I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then it > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to a greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or has > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in fact, > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature increases > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold moonless > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner atmosphere it > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from the > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it is > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due in > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me that > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then it > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... So I > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full moon > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new moon > and colder nights. > > Regards, > John W. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Paul > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon as > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, just > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, airtide > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on night > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > colder than full moon nights. > Ken Ring > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Yole" > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hey All, > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > PaulY > > > > Paul Yole > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:27:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 06:28:52.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5C5BD70:01C2346D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all animal lovers. With out going into some of the sub human animals I have met at Flinders st rail station, I have experienced on two occasions the response of birds to earth tremors. In I think 1978 there were two earth tremors in the Geelong area both measured about 4.5 and 4.9 R.S. The first occurred at 0730hrs, we owned two canneries both in the same large cage, about one minute before the tremor both birds went crazy flapping and squeaking which woke me up, a minute later we had a respectable tremor. About 11 months later we had the 4.9, this time the birds went silly about 5 minutes before the event, this tremor was different to first which seemed to last about 10 seconds, the second tremor was just a huge bump that lasted about 2 seconds, I believe some animals are just sensitive to different wave lengths in sound and vibration. regards Clyve H,. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > Hi John, > > Thanks for that. It is a known fact that animals do sense earthquakes > before we do. Perhaps because we wear shoes:) > > I again suggest that animals can also somehow sense an increase in moisture > etc "before" the event Michael. I believe it is the case especially if they > rely on it for survival. During the event, obviously we have better > knowledge than them in keeping safe. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 03:23 PM 26/7/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > > > >Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake > >in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things > >they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then > >running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > > > >So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our > >senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have > >senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > > > >John. > > >snip > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > >Thompson > >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you > > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > > > discuss. > > > > > > > >This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or > >otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the > >same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant > >with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many > >miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm > >indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is from > >storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > > > >However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know > >that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it would > >not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on > >developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses > >that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no > >better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > > > >Michael > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:36:01 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 06:36:02.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5D669D0:01C2346E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Many people have reported dogs howling and whining before earthquakes. Liam >From: "John Woodbridge" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:23:58 +1000 > >Hi, > >Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > >Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake >in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things >they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then >running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > >So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our >senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have >senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > >John. > >snip > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael >Thompson >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When >you > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > > discuss. > > > > >This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or >otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the >same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant >with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many >miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm >indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is >from >storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > >However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know >that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it >would >not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on >developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses >that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no >better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > >Michael > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Stuff To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:51:08 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm not sure I'd trust the SBS forecasts fully (I've noticed they consistently forecast 35-37 at Singapore, which is about 5 degrees too high). However, Bahrain did have 47 on Monday - which is the highest I can remember seeing there. Al-Ahsa (near the east coast of Saudi Arabia) had 6 days in the 49-51 range before a cool change today - it was only 47! It seems to have been an unusually hot month in the area, even by their standards. Blair > > Yes hot indeed. I noticed on our SBS channel last night temp forecasts for > Kuwait and (I think) Bahrain, of 48C and 47C respectively. And these cities > are close to water unlike Death Valley. Amazing temps really. > > John. > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Hot Stuff > > > Hello Wx People: > In my endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high > temperature in Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of > 99F(37.2C). You could have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think > you'd need to use a WHOLE BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, > Winter will be over before you know it! C-Ya'll Later. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C23402.7FF50C20 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > >

class=3D068313907-25072002>Yes=20 > hot indeed. I noticed on our SBS channel last night temp forecasts = > for=20 > Kuwait and (I think) Bahrain, of 48C and 47C respectively. And = > these=20 > cities are close to water unlike Death Valley. Amazing temps=20 > really.

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face=3DTahoma=20 > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
From:=20 > aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com=20 > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky = > > dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM
To:=20 > aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Hot=20 > Stuff

>
Hello Wx People:
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size=3D2> In my=20 > endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high temperature = > in=20 > Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of 99F(37.2C). = > You could=20 > have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think you'd need to use = > a WHOLE=20 > BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, Winter will be over = > before=20 > you know it! C-Ya'll Later.

> > ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C23402.7FF50C20-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Stuff Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:14:15 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I would think some centres in India during their hot season would record some of the highest temperatures in the world. Ahmadabad comes to mind - I've seen temperatures over 50C forcast there. Cheers, Duncan Alice Springs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blair Trewin" To: Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 4:21 pm Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Stuff > I'm not sure I'd trust the SBS forecasts fully (I've noticed they > consistently forecast 35-37 at Singapore, which is about 5 degrees > too high). However, Bahrain did have 47 on Monday - which is the > highest I can remember seeing there. Al-Ahsa (near the east coast > of Saudi Arabia) had 6 days in the 49-51 range before a cool change > today - it was only 47! It seems to have been an unusually hot > month in the area, even by their standards. > > Blair > > > > > Yes hot indeed. I noticed on our SBS channel last night temp forecasts for > > Kuwait and (I think) Bahrain, of 48C and 47C respectively. And these cities > > are close to water unlike Death Valley. Amazing temps really. > > > > John. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky dave > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: aus-wx: Hot Stuff > > > > > > Hello Wx People: > > In my endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high > > temperature in Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of > > 99F(37.2C). You could have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think > > you'd need to use a WHOLE BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, > > Winter will be over before you know it! C-Ya'll Later. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C23402.7FF50C20 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > > > > > >

> class=3D068313907-25072002>Yes=20 > > hot indeed. I noticed on our SBS channel last night temp forecasts = > > for=20 > > Kuwait and (I think) Bahrain, of 48C and 47C respectively. And = > > these=20 > > cities are close to water unlike Death Valley. Amazing temps=20 > > really.

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> class=3D068313907-25072002>John.

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> face=3DTahoma=20 > > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
From:=20 > > aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com=20 > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of arky = > > > > dave
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:27 PM
To:=20 > > aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Hot=20 > > Stuff

> >
Hello Wx People:
> >
> size=3D2> In my=20 > > endeavors to make you feel warmer: Today(July 24) the high temperature = > > in=20 > > Death Valley, CA was 128F(53.3C) after a MORNING LOW of 99F(37.2C). = > > You could=20 > > have a cookout without any lighter fluid. I'd think you'd need to use = > > a WHOLE=20 > > BOTTLE of sunscreen for protection!!! Keep warm, Winter will be over = > > before=20 > > you know it! C-Ya'll Later.

> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C23402.7FF50C20-- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:17:34 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We had a min of 5C and a Max of 28C here in Alice Springs. Not so cold here! One of the warmest winters for max. temps, and one of the coldest winters for min. temps I should think. Cheers, Duncan Alice Springs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bagust" To: Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 9:19 pm Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hey all > > Mt Gambier apparently had a max of only 7 degrees today. Coldest max for > 20 years. A very large range of maximums in SA for July with a couple of > northern centres recording 31! > > Phil > > > >Hi Tim. > >The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I know > >the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide is > >8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps > >around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of low > >maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve Herbert. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tim Eckert > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > >> I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The > >> maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today > >> was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning > >> at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our > >> maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just > >> below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would > >> be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve > >> or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of > >> any records broken? > >> Thanks. > >> Tim Eckert > >> Hamilton SW Victoria > >> > >> > >> ---- Original message ---- > >> >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 > >> >From: "Clyve Herbert" > >> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > >> >To: > >> > > >> >Hi Paul. > >> >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern > >> Vic and southern NSW > >> >experience severe frost, this results in the > >> modification of the lower one > >> >or two kilometres of air. The modification of > >> widespread radiational cooling > >> >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting > >> in the way it can > >> >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of > >> Australia such as southern > >> >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. > >> Simply put, as air cools at > >> >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after > >> two or more nights the > >> >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep > >> up to 1.5k to 2k deep. > >> >Enter one trough or approaching front with its > >> associated cloud band on a > >> >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of > >> northern Victoria and > >> >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. > >> With the lack of sun > >> >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing > >> northerly flow a good > >> >deal of this low level cold air is then advected > >> southward to bring > >> >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm > >> air from the north, > >> >this true in a way if you check the soundings you > >> should find this > >> >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this > >> upper warm layer rides > >> >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a > >> way this whole process > >> >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower > >> layers, such conditions > >> >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some > >> of the lowest air temps > >> >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot > >> more worth discussion on > >> >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions > >> Parts of low lying > >> >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a > >> north wind such as > >> >today!. regards Clyve H. > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: Paul Yole > >> >To: Australian Weather Mailing List >> weather at world.std.com> > >> >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM > >> >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hey All, > >> >> > >> >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you > >> freeze! Anyone got an > >> >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > >> >> > >> >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > >> >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > >> >> > >> >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here > >> today. > >> >> > >> >> PaulY > >> >> > >> >> Paul Yole > >> >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria > >> >> EDD: 08/08/02 > >> >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > >> >> > >> >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to > >> say" > >> >> > >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >> to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > >> your_email_address" in the body of your > >> >> message. > >> >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- > >> ----------------- > >> > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >> to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > >> your_email_address" in the body of your > >> > message. > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- > >> -------------- > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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why would evolution waste effort on
developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses
that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no
better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse.

I dunno about that. More info needs to be gathered. Not starting a bun fight but just wondering how the animals are worse than us?

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

From: "Bussy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:31:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Cats apparently (I've read) have very sensitive ears and tend to lick and wipe their ears with a change in pressures. Maybe the same as cows that have hides that become more tender with changes? I'm guessing :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > Hi, > > Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > > Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake > in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things > they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then > running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > > So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our > senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have > senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > > John. > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When you > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > > discuss. > > > > > This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or > otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the > same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an Elephant > with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many > miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm > indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is from > storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > > However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know > that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it would > not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on > developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses > that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no > better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > > Michael > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:19:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com But that is my point why would a animal rely on sensing earthquakes for survival, it is hardly a threat to them in their natural state. Michael > I again suggest that animals can also somehow sense an increase in moisture > etc "before" the event Michael. I believe it is the case especially if they > rely on it for survival. During the event, obviously we have better > knowledge than them in keeping safe. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 19:27:59 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I was sitting on the dunny in California back in the 1970s (probably 1978) at about 04:30 am. It was deathly quiet and calm until every cat in our whole apartment complex suddenly started howling at once, dogs started barking and birds were squawking and fluttering outside the window. After a minute or two of this there was a great roar from below and an earthquake hit causing me to fall sideways off the dunny. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:23:58 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > Hi, > > Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > > Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering > Quake > in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing > things > they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then > running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > > So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for > our > senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply > have > senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > > John. > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When > you > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be > more > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic > to > > discuss. > > > > > This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated > or > otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have > the > same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an > Elephant > with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms > many > miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm > indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is > from > storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > > However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I > know > that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it > would > not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort > on > developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in > houses > that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no > better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > > Michael > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Worse than us? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:47:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I think perhaps it's a debate best done on the Lounge over at Weatherzone as its getting off topic. I have no problems hearing the arguments, I am just sceptical until I see proof.

Michael

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From: Bussy

To: aussie-weather

Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 7:29 PM

Subject: aus-wx: Worse than us?

why would evolution waste effort on
developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in houses
that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no
better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse.

I dunno about that. More info needs to be gathered. Not starting a bun fight but just wondering how the animals are worse than us?

Bussy (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:08:35 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: Subject: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Talk about cats and frogs and earthquakes reminded me about something else that has puzzled me for more than thirty years. In 1969 there were several earthquakes in South Gippsland. On a Saturday night I was about one or two kilometres from the epicentre of one whose epicentre was fixed by the scientists who later came to investigate as being within a few hundred metres of the Dumbalk North Public Hall. There was an immense noise and electrical flashes as power poles fell and the power system died. But as the earthquake continued I was amazed to see what looked like lightning snaking up into a cloudless sky. There also appeared to be longer lasting blue electrical discharges sort of glowing up into the sky like St Elmos fire only brighter. This was occurring nowhere near any power lines. All this without any sign of a cloud or a thunderstorm. The following Monday morning about 04:30, I was riding a motorbike and sidecar from Morwell to Dumbalk North on a clear and cloudless frosty morning, long before dawn, when once again I saw lightning flashes occurring ahead of me. I was on a straight and level stretch of road near Boolarra when there suddenly appeared in my headlight to be a small hump in the road (where it was normally flat) and as I wondered about it I hit it and bounced over it because it was much closer than I thought. I could only explain it by saying it raced towards me. I couldn't imagine what had caused it. It really gave me a fright and I was feeling quite jumpy as I continued riding. As I went down a long hill there was suddenly no road in front of my headlights. I had no hope of stopping and my motorbike and sidecar became momentarily airborne, then crashed down hard on a short bit of road that appeared to be at a totally wrong angle, became airborne again and then landed on the road which was more or less where it should have been. I pulled up and drove back and looked at the road where a section of it had moved both sideways and downwards and tilted with respect to the rest of the road. I recognised it as a lanslide in which a section of the hill had moved while remaining more or less intact. I wondered what on earth could have caused it as there had been no rain for ages. Suddenly my hair stood on end like it does just before lightning strikes - but this was under a cloudless sky. Lightning-like glows appeared, but fortunately none right where I was standing. As the glows appeared there was another immense groan from under the ground as yet another earthquake occurred. The big landslide block began to move further in the same direction as it had already moved. As bright electrical looking glows continued around, I felt scared out of my wits and jumped back on the motorbike and tore of as fast as I could drive it, not stopping until I had reached Dumbalk North. On arrival there, further earthquake damage was obvious. My question is: How come there were lightning-like discharges associated with each of the earthquakes in this series? I cannot remember ever reading about lightning being associated with earthquakes before. And what action or reaction could possibly be generating such discharges? When I told the scientists who descended on the place about the blue flashes they said it all would have been caused by power lines arcing, but I had definitely seen some of these flashes in places that were not within a bull's roar of any power line. So who can throw some light on it? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:13:25 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for that info Blair and Clyve. Tomorrow's Hamilton newspaper (Spectator) covers the records well. (the edition comes out 4pm the previous day) The paper actually says the record to be 5.6C recorded at the Hamilton PVI site on the 1986 date. The PVI still takes recordings as well as the AWS at the airport. Thursday's maximum at the PVI was 6.4C. Clyve's explanation here for the cold temps was much better than what the BOM's climate meteorolgist tried telling the paper though..... :P Tim. ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:01:44 +1000 (EST) >From: Blair Trewin >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> >> Hi Tim. >> The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I know >> the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide is >> 8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps >> around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of low >> maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve Herbert. > >Just had the chance to check this after a couple of days with a dead >PC. > >Hamilton is one of the few stations that reports its max temps on a >time different to 0900 local time (it uses 1200-1200 UTC, or 2200-2200 >EST), due to a quirk of a particular generation of communications >software (now being phased out), so the 6.2 max to 2200 last night goes >into the database as the 'official' max (despite the 7 at 0900 today). > >6.2 is the lowest on record for the current site, which has been >in operation since 1983. The previous record was 6.3 on 8 July 1986 >(the event you mention above). I don't know what observation time >was in use in 1986, so I'm not sure if we're strictly comparing like >with like here. > >At the now-closed Hamilton Research site, it was 5.8 on 8 July 1986, >and 6.0 on 23 June 1981. > >No other station I looked at seriously threatened any records, >although Nhill's 7.7 was its lowest max since 1989. > >Blair > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- -------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:09:41 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com maybe they dont 'need to rely' on sensing earthquakes, maybe they just do. richard modistach naracoorte ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > > But that is my point why would a animal rely on sensing earthquakes for > survival, it is hardly a threat to them in their natural state. > > Michael > > > > > > > I again suggest that animals can also somehow sense an increase in > moisture > > etc "before" the event Michael. I believe it is the case especially if > they > > rely on it for survival. During the event, obviously we have better > > knowledge than them in keeping safe. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:45:30 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Duncan Seems like you have potential for rain comng to Alice Springs on 2nd and 3rd of August, give or take a day. Also on 31st. cheers Ken www.predictweather.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > We had a min of 5C and a Max of 28C here in Alice Springs. Not so cold here! > One of the warmest winters for max. temps, and one of the coldest winters > for min. temps I should think. > Cheers, > Duncan > Alice Springs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Bagust" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 25 July 2002 9:19 pm > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hey all > > > > Mt Gambier apparently had a max of only 7 degrees today. Coldest max for > > 20 years. A very large range of maximums in SA for July with a couple of > > northern centres recording 31! > > > > Phil > > > > > > >Hi Tim. > > >The record low max for Geelong is about 5c,I'm not 100% on that, but I > know > > >the record low Max for Melbourne is 4.5c, The record low max for Adelaide > is > > >8.3c in June 1922, In July 1986 a good area of Western Vic had max temps > > >around 4 to 6c, your max of 6.2c is significant and in the bottom 2% of > low > > >maximum temp I would say. What's your opinion Blair? Regards Clyve > Herbert. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Tim Eckert > > >To: > > >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 7:23 PM > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > > >> I think I have decided to move to Qld after today. The > > >> maximum temperature recorded in Hamilton today > > >> was 6.2C at 3.30pm after recording -1.2C this morning > > >> at 7.30am. I wouldn't be surprised actually for our > > >> maximum to be recorded later tonight as it is just > > >> below 6C atm. I have no idea what the records would > > >> be for lowest maximum out here in western Vic? Clyve > > >> or Blair, could you help me out at all? Do you know of > > >> any records broken? > > >> Thanks. > > >> Tim Eckert > > >> Hamilton SW Victoria > > >> > > >> > > >> ---- Original message ---- > > >> >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 16:25:04 +1000 > > >> >From: "Clyve Herbert" > > >> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > >> >To: > > >> > > > >> >Hi Paul. > > >> >On occasions in winter the inland parts of northern > > >> Vic and southern NSW > > >> >experience severe frost, this results in the > > >> modification of the lower one > > >> >or two kilometres of air. The modification of > > >> widespread radiational cooling > > >> >on a mass of air near the surface is very interesting > > >> in the way it can > > >> >affect the expected maximum temps in areas of > > >> Australia such as southern > > >> >Victoria and at times much of south-eastern Aus. > > >> Simply put, as air cools at > > >> >night the layer of cold air increases in depth, after > > >> two or more nights the > > >> >depth of radiationaly cooled air can be rather deep > > >> up to 1.5k to 2k deep. > > >> >Enter one trough or approaching front with its > > >> associated cloud band on a > > >> >day after widespread severe frost over large areas of > > >> northern Victoria and > > >> >you have a nice modified cold layer near the surface. > > >> With the lack of sun > > >> >power due to overcast conditions and an increasing > > >> northerly flow a good > > >> >deal of this low level cold air is then advected > > >> southward to bring > > >> >surprisingly cold conditions, although we expect warm > > >> air from the north, > > >> >this true in a way if you check the soundings you > > >> should find this > > >> >relatively warm layer above two kilometres, this > > >> upper warm layer rides > > >> >over the denser cold layer near to the surface,in a > > >> way this whole process > > >> >is a weak form of continental cooling of the lower > > >> layers, such conditions > > >> >in some parts of the world i.e. Siberia produce some > > >> of the lowest air temps > > >> >in any settled regions of the Globe, there is a lot > > >> more worth discussion on > > >> >this subject and I find it fascinating. On occasions > > >> Parts of low lying > > >> >Victoria can record its lowest yearly maximum in a > > >> north wind such as > > >> >today!. regards Clyve H. > > >> >----- Original Message ----- > > >> >From: Paul Yole > > >> >To: Australian Weather Mailing List > >> weather at world.std.com> > > >> >Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 12:24 PM > > >> >Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> Hey All, > > >> >> > > >> >> What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you > > >> freeze! Anyone got an > > >> >explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > >> >> > > >> >> Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > >> >> Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > >> >> > > >> >> Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here > > >> today. > > >> >> > > >> >> PaulY > > >> >> > > >> >> Paul Yole > > >> >> State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > >> >> EDD: 08/08/02 > > >> >> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > >> >> > > >> >> "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to > > >> say" > > >> >> > > >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > >> your_email_address" in the body of your > > >> >> message. > > >> >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------- > > >> ----------------- > > >> > > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > >> to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > > >> your_email_address" in the body of your > > >> > message. > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------- > > >> -------------- > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > >> message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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But as the earthquake continued I was amazed to > see what looked like lightning snaking up into a cloudless sky. There > also appeared to be longer lasting blue electrical discharges sort of > glowing up into the sky like St Elmos fire only brighter. This was > occurring nowhere near any power lines. All this without any sign of a > cloud or a thunderstorm. > > The following Monday morning about 04:30, I was riding a motorbike and > sidecar from Morwell to Dumbalk North on a clear and cloudless frosty > morning, long before dawn, when once again I saw lightning flashes > occurring ahead of me. I was on a straight and level stretch of road > near Boolarra when there suddenly appeared in my headlight to be a small > hump in the road (where it was normally flat) and as I wondered about it > I hit it and bounced over it because it was much closer than I thought. > I could only explain it by saying it raced towards me. I couldn't > imagine what had caused it. It really gave me a fright and I was feeling > quite jumpy as I continued riding. > As I went down a long hill there was suddenly no road in front of my > headlights. I had no hope of stopping and my motorbike and sidecar > became momentarily airborne, then crashed down hard on a short bit of > road that appeared to be at a totally wrong angle, became airborne again > and then landed on the road which was more or less where it should have > been. I pulled up and drove back and looked at the road where a section > of it had moved both sideways and downwards and tilted with respect to > the rest of the road. I recognised it as a lanslide in which a section > of the hill had moved while remaining more or less intact. I wondered > what on earth could have caused it as there had been no rain for ages. > Suddenly my hair stood on end like it does just before lightning strikes - > but this was under a cloudless sky. Lightning-like glows appeared, but > fortunately none right where I was standing. As the glows appeared there > was another immense groan from under the ground as yet another earthquake > occurred. The big landslide block began to move further in the same > direction as it had already moved. As bright electrical looking glows > continued around, I felt scared out of my wits and jumped back on the > motorbike and tore of as fast as I could drive it, not stopping until I > had reached Dumbalk North. On arrival there, further earthquake damage > was obvious. > > My question is: How come there were lightning-like discharges associated > with each of the earthquakes in this series? > I cannot remember ever reading about lightning being associated with > earthquakes before. > And what action or reaction could possibly be generating such discharges? > When I told the scientists who descended on the place about the blue > flashes they said it all would have been caused by power lines arcing, > but I had definitely seen some of these flashes in places that were not > within a bull's roar of any power line. > > So who can throw some light on it? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:03:18 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Animals with paws have very sensitive systems. The ends of cats' whiskers can detect changes in air pressure which is why they know mice are somewhere in the room or behind a hole. That is why it is so cruel to trim their whiskers back. Higher air pressure often precedes an earthquake, because once the tectonic plates are loosened, the extra pressure on the ground from above can be that final straw. Earthquakes have been often reported on very still, calm and cloudless days or after everything has gone a deathly quiet. The Chinese have done a lot of research into animal behaviour and quakes, especially snakes. The general rule seems to be that most animals want to get to open ground just before an earthquake. Horses have been known to panic and break down their stable walls in order to get away. ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussy" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > Cats apparently (I've read) have very sensitive ears and tend to lick and > wipe their ears with a change in pressures. Maybe the same as cows that have > hides that become more tender with changes? > I'm guessing :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:23 PM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frogs (earthquakes) > > > > Hi, > > > > Well I can personally vouch for the effect of an Earthquake on Cats... > > > > Around 5 minutes prior to the onset of the October 14 1968 Meckering Quake > > in Perth (Richter 6.8), our two cats went totally ballistic, doing things > > they never had before, including tearing around the house howling then > > running up full length curtains to perch in the pelmet. > > > > So the question is why? Perhaps they felt a pre-tremor too small for our > > senses or detected very long wave sonic vibration? Maybe they simply have > > senses that we do not have and cannot comprehend?? > > > > John. > > >snip > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > Thompson > > Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 3:01 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frogs > > > > > > > > > > > > I was thinking about this last night: people have become "lazy". When > you > > > relied on the land so to speak, growing crops etc, you tend to be more > > > aware of your surroundings as you depend on it. Anyway, a nice topic to > > > discuss. > > > > > > > > This is what I was trying to say, sometimes whether religious motivated or > > otherwise we tend to separate ourselves from animals too much. We have the > > same senses as them. True some animals have better skills, like an > Elephant > > with its low pitched hearing would probably hear thunder from storms many > > miles away. I know dogs do, a nearby dog to our street is a great storm > > indicator, he only barks when thunder upsets him, and sometimes this is > from > > storms 50 km out to sea, storms that I cannot hear anything from. > > > > However I am not so sure on animals detecting eminent earthquakes, I know > > that there are many stories, but an earthquake is such a rare event it > would > > not even trigger an inbuilt response, why would evolution waste effort on > > developing earthquake detection skills in animals that don't live in > houses > > that will fall down. I think it is the same for floods, animals are no > > better at escaping them then us humans, in fact worse. > > > > Michael > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.18.241] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:19:35 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2002 13:19:35.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[1658DB20:01C234A7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The piezo-electric effect would also be my theory. If there were quartz veins near the quake that got slammed and rubbed together, they could generate a powerful electric charge. It works much like those spark lighters you get for BBQ's etc. They put out about 10,000V. So you can imagine the amount of voltage put out by a quartz vein a hundred metres long and 50 or so metres thick. Would have been fantastic to see. To bad we can't chase earthquakes too! >From: "richard modistach" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "weather mailing list" >Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:17:33 +0930 > >lightning around earthquakes is quite common, it's widly believed its >caused >by the piezo-electric effect. your hair standing on end would probably have >meant you were standing in a charged field near the epicentre. > >richard modistach >naracoorte > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Phil Smith >To: >Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:38 PM >Subject: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning > > > > Talk about cats and frogs and earthquakes reminded me about something > > else that has puzzled me for more than thirty years. > > In 1969 there were several earthquakes in South Gippsland. > > On a Saturday night I was about one or two kilometres from the epicentre > > of one whose epicentre was fixed by the scientists who later came to > > investigate as being within a few hundred metres of the Dumbalk North > > Public Hall. > > There was an immense noise and electrical flashes as power poles fell >and > > the power system died. But as the earthquake continued I was amazed to > > see what looked like lightning snaking up into a cloudless sky. There > > also appeared to be longer lasting blue electrical discharges sort of > > glowing up into the sky like St Elmos fire only brighter. This was > > occurring nowhere near any power lines. All this without any sign of a > > cloud or a thunderstorm. > > > > The following Monday morning about 04:30, I was riding a motorbike and > > sidecar from Morwell to Dumbalk North on a clear and cloudless frosty > > morning, long before dawn, when once again I saw lightning flashes > > occurring ahead of me. I was on a straight and level stretch of road > > near Boolarra when there suddenly appeared in my headlight to be a small > > hump in the road (where it was normally flat) and as I wondered about it > > I hit it and bounced over it because it was much closer than I thought. > > I could only explain it by saying it raced towards me. I couldn't > > imagine what had caused it. It really gave me a fright and I was >feeling > > quite jumpy as I continued riding. > > As I went down a long hill there was suddenly no road in front of my > > headlights. I had no hope of stopping and my motorbike and sidecar > > became momentarily airborne, then crashed down hard on a short bit of > > road that appeared to be at a totally wrong angle, became airborne again > > and then landed on the road which was more or less where it should have > > been. I pulled up and drove back and looked at the road where a section > > of it had moved both sideways and downwards and tilted with respect to > > the rest of the road. I recognised it as a lanslide in which a section > > of the hill had moved while remaining more or less intact. I wondered > > what on earth could have caused it as there had been no rain for ages. > > Suddenly my hair stood on end like it does just before lightning strikes >- > > but this was under a cloudless sky. Lightning-like glows appeared, but > > fortunately none right where I was standing. As the glows appeared >there > > was another immense groan from under the ground as yet another >earthquake > > occurred. The big landslide block began to move further in the same > > direction as it had already moved. As bright electrical looking glows > > continued around, I felt scared out of my wits and jumped back on the > > motorbike and tore of as fast as I could drive it, not stopping until I > > had reached Dumbalk North. On arrival there, further earthquake damage > > was obvious. > > > > My question is: How come there were lightning-like discharges >associated > > with each of the earthquakes in this series? > > I cannot remember ever reading about lightning being associated with > > earthquakes before. > > And what action or reaction could possibly be generating such >discharges? > > When I told the scientists who descended on the place about the blue > > flashes they said it all would have been caused by power lines arcing, > > but I had definitely seen some of these flashes in places that were not > > within a bull's roar of any power line. > > > > So who can throw some light on it? > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:43:58 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At that point I was about 2300 metres from the epicentre. Now I have to find somewhere to look up what a piezo-electric effect is. I'll get into Google after I send this. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:17:33 +0930 Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning > lightning around earthquakes is quite common, it's widly believed its > caused > by the piezo-electric effect. your hair standing on end would probably > have > meant you were standing in a charged field near the epicentre. > > richard modistach > naracoorte > [snip] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:28:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:43 PM 26/07/2002 +0800, you wrote: >At that point I was about 2300 metres from the epicentre. > >Now I have to find somewhere to look up what a piezo-electric effect is. > >I'll get into Google after I send this. Pieze electric effect occurs in some minerals (e.g. quartz), where putting the crystals under mechanical stress causes a voltage to be developed across the face of the crystal, or vice-versa. Put a voltage across the crystal and it will bend slightly. This effect is used commonly in electronics (quartz crystals for accurate frequency control in watches and radios, precision filters, etc), but can generate very high voltages, both artificially (e.g. gas lighter) or naturally (e.g. earthquake). 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 03:41:08 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com How about higher air pressure = extra dryness = static charges. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: aus-wx: Earthquakes and lightning > Talk about cats and frogs and earthquakes reminded me about something > else that has puzzled me for more than thirty years. > In 1969 there were several earthquakes in South Gippsland. > On a Saturday night I was about one or two kilometres from the epicentre > of one whose epicentre was fixed by the scientists who later came to > investigate as being within a few hundred metres of the Dumbalk North > Public Hall. > There was an immense noise and electrical flashes as power poles fell and > the power system died. But as the earthquake continued I was amazed to > see what looked like lightning snaking up into a cloudless sky. There > also appeared to be longer lasting blue electrical discharges sort of > glowing up into the sky like St Elmos fire only brighter. This was > occurring nowhere near any power lines. All this without any sign of a > cloud or a thunderstorm. > > The following Monday morning about 04:30, I was riding a motorbike and > sidecar from Morwell to Dumbalk North on a clear and cloudless frosty > morning, long before dawn, when once again I saw lightning flashes > occurring ahead of me. I was on a straight and level stretch of road > near Boolarra when there suddenly appeared in my headlight to be a small > hump in the road (where it was normally flat) and as I wondered about it > I hit it and bounced over it because it was much closer than I thought. > I could only explain it by saying it raced towards me. I couldn't > imagine what had caused it. It really gave me a fright and I was feeling > quite jumpy as I continued riding. > As I went down a long hill there was suddenly no road in front of my > headlights. I had no hope of stopping and my motorbike and sidecar > became momentarily airborne, then crashed down hard on a short bit of > road that appeared to be at a totally wrong angle, became airborne again > and then landed on the road which was more or less where it should have > been. I pulled up and drove back and looked at the road where a section > of it had moved both sideways and downwards and tilted with respect to > the rest of the road. I recognised it as a lanslide in which a section > of the hill had moved while remaining more or less intact. I wondered > what on earth could have caused it as there had been no rain for ages. > Suddenly my hair stood on end like it does just before lightning strikes - > but this was under a cloudless sky. Lightning-like glows appeared, but > fortunately none right where I was standing. As the glows appeared there > was another immense groan from under the ground as yet another earthquake > occurred. The big landslide block began to move further in the same > direction as it had already moved. As bright electrical looking glows > continued around, I felt scared out of my wits and jumped back on the > motorbike and tore of as fast as I could drive it, not stopping until I > had reached Dumbalk North. On arrival there, further earthquake damage > was obvious. > > My question is: How come there were lightning-like discharges associated > with each of the earthquakes in this series? > I cannot remember ever reading about lightning being associated with > earthquakes before. > And what action or reaction could possibly be generating such discharges? > When I told the scientists who descended on the place about the blue > flashes they said it all would have been caused by power lines arcing, > but I had definitely seen some of these flashes in places that were not > within a bull's roar of any power line. > > So who can throw some light on it? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 09:59:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, I'd certainly be interested in reading the references if you'd like to forward them. Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2002 11:19 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi Craig and all I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the direction in mind that cold travels. Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has much to contribute to this discussion. Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps in the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It shows that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder over a 24 hour period. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, all > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most texts on > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude increases. > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then temperature > increases rapidly above 100km. > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the molecules which > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. The > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as this > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the vastness > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to any body > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a better > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a drop in > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full moon > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies would lead > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical evidence > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > Craig Arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi John > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, which > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just > as > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the only > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space > has been measured at minus 220. > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > warmer... > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then > it > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to a > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > cheers > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or has > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in > fact, > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature increases > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold moonless > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner atmosphere > it > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from > the > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it is > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due in > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me > that > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then > it > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... So > I > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full > moon > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new > moon > > and colder nights. > > > > Regards, > > John W. > > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > Paul > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon > as > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, > just > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, > airtide > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on > night > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > > colder than full moon nights. > > Ken Ring > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Yole" > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:19:09 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Craig and all I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the direction in mind that cold travels. Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has much to contribute to this discussion. Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps in the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It shows that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder over a 24 hour period. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, all > > I'm concerned as to the "cold of space" term referred to. Most texts on > meteorology include a diagram of the temperature as the altitude increases. > Firstly there is the "warm region" at around 50 km. Then temperature > increases rapidly above 100km. > > This is due to the rapid increase in mean free path of the molecules which > by this level are the lighter elements such as hydrogen and helium. The > mean free path is also inversely proportional to pressure, so as this > decreases the mean free path increases also. The problem is in the vastness > of space there are such few atoms/molecules to pass this energy to any body > with great success. I think that the term "cold of space" is rather > misleading. There is little to no heat or "cool" (for want of a better > word) stored in the near-vacuum of space. > > Atmospheric "cool" would be "created" in the upper levels of the > troposphere due to the free expansion of gas which results in a drop in > temperature (according to the ideal gas law). > > I would agree with John Woodbridge in the idea that if the full moon > created clear skies, radiational cooling under these clear skies would lead > to lower minimums around full moon. I don't have any statistical evidence > to that side, so I will leave it there. > > Craig Arthur > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Friday, 26 July 2002 02:15 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi John > > so to say that it is cold, or has > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. > Hmm..interesting. The trouble is, you could say the same about heat, which > also comes via space. But we do have this word 'cold' and cold falls just > as > heat rises. In fact one replaces the other. One could ask, where does > atmospheric cold come from, assuming everything has a source. Then the only > answer must surely be from upper levels and descending. The cold of space > has been measured at minus 220. > > So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > warmer... > I think I'd suggest that at airtide-out the density of the atmosphere was > thinner and the heat layer weakened, allowing cold to get through. > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then > it > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... > Not if the dispersing effect came from a stretching of the atmosphere to a > greater height, which is what I think the Full moon does. > cheers > Ken > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Space is space, i.e., a virtual vacuum, so to say that it is cold, or has > > any particular temperature at all is rather inaccurate, as only solid > > objects, liquids or gases can have a measurable temperature. And in > fact, > > as you reach the upper layers of the atmosphere the temperature increases > > dramatically to be well above surface temperatures, even on cold moonless > > nights. So one could argue that at air tide out, the heat of the upper > > layers of the atmosphere is closer to Earth, thus it should in fact be > > warmer... What I think you are seeing is that with a thinner atmosphere > it > > has less of a blanket effect, and thus heat radiates more readily from > the > > surface and hence you get a lower surface temperature. Then again, it is > > well known that cloudless nights are much colder than cloudy ones, due in > > this case, to clouds inhibiting surface radiation. So, it seems to me > that > > if the full moon acts to disperse clouds (from your previous email) then > it > > should be significantly colder at night due to radiated heat loss... So > I > > would naturally expect to find a statistical correlation between full > moon > > and colder nights if the theory is correct, rather than one between new > moon > > and colder nights. > > > > Regards, > > John W. > > >snip > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:25 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > Paul > > It is a feature of full moon that in the sunshine it is warm but as soon > as > > the sun goes behind a cloud you are rushing for extra clothing, even in > > summer. If marathons are held around full moon in summer it is when heat > > exhaustion is more likely to occur. The reason is the deeper air tide, > just > > like the king tides in the water. When the moon is out of the sky, > airtide > > out, the cold of space comes closer to earth. A statistical check on > night > > temperatures through winter will reveal that New moon nights are always > > colder than full moon nights. > > Ken Ring > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Paul Yole" > > To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:24 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > > > > Hey All, > > > > > > What is up with this cold??? Walk outside and you freeze! Anyone got an > > explanation for this??? Horsham's obs are: > > > > > > Horsham 12:00 5.7/2.2 > > > Longerenong 12:00 5.6/1.5 > > > > > > Doubt we'll see the forecast temp of 12C out here today. > > > > > > PaulY > > > > > > Paul Yole > > > State Rep - ASWA Victoria > > > EDD: 08/08/02 > > > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > > > > > "I can neither confirm nor deny I have anything to say" > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:54:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ken wrote: "During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It shows that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the transfer waekens near new moon. " Ken, this raises a few questions for me.... 1. How do you know that it is the moon (which reflects rather than generates heat), rather than some other factor that accounts for a global variation of 0.02 - 0.03C over this particular 5934 day period (which is ~16.25 years / 65 months / 21.66 seasons) ?? What has happened since 1995? or was this the only study of its type that was done? 2. If the moon alone is responsible for a global variation of this magnitude (0.02 - 0.03C) then what magnitude is the variation that can be attributed to the influence of the sun? volcanic activity? human activity? 3. "Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month." Is this consistent across all seasons? and through the years? Do you get the same results if you change to start time of the lunar cycle eg: start 7 days later than the start of a lunar cycle? Thanks for your help with this. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:54:02 +1000 From: Tim Eckert Subject: aus-wx: Warm temps in SA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.1.0.58-GA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Adelaide today reached a maximum temperature of 23.1 degrees which was 8 degrees above the July average and was the warmest July day since 1975 when the maximum at the West Terrace site was 26.6 degrees. Tim. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:44:13 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Ken, this raises a few questions for me.... > 1. How do you know that it is the moon (which reflects rather than > generates heat), rather than some other factor that accounts for a > global variation of 0.02 - 0.03C over this particular 5934 day period > (which is ~16.25 years / 65 months / 21.66 seasons) ?? If the study was legitimate and we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, and the data was analysed correctly, then by the rules of research the full moon-relevant function was the variant that showed significance, otherwise they would not have published results claiming that it was. You are really asking how we know the researchers were honest and I can only say in reply how do you know they weren't. > What has > happened since 1995? or was this the only study of its type that was > done? I have no idea, but even if it was only done the once, does that invalidate it? I would agree it would be a good idea to repeat it but for an experiment to be taken seriously there is no requirement that it be repeated over and over again. > 2. If the moon alone is responsible for a global variation of this > magnitude (0.02 - 0.03C) then what magnitude is the variation that can > be attributed to the influence of the sun? volcanic activity? human > activity? No idea, again, but the moon has 2.5 times the gravitational effect of the sun, which is why we mainly talk about the moon and tides and not the sun and tides(although there definitely is a small sun-tide factor), so I would imagine the sun's input to be 0.2/2.5 which would translate to a potential solar warming contribution of around 0.008degC in that figure of 0.2-0.3deg. Insignificant, because taking that figure out of the mix that still leaves a lunar warming of 0.19-0.29 which still rounds off to 0.2-0.3. Volcanic activity? As eruptions are triggered by the moon anyway, I think you would still be looking at moon data. Human activity? Negligible, as 98.6% of the earth's surface is uninhabited(ref: National Geographic) > 3. "Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles > show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month." > Is this consistent across all seasons? and through the years? Do you > get the same results if you change to start time of the lunar cycle eg: > start 7 days later than the start of a lunar cycle? These are good questions but I would imagine that anyone with a working knowledge of lunar orbits would have taken them into account or risk criticism later. I suggest you do a search for Robert Balling, Arizona State University and see if there are updates or other supporting links. cheers Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Ken wrote: > "During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats > the > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that > the > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It > shows > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the > transfer waekens near new moon. " > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:47:21 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dear Mr. Ring: Can you do long-range forecasting for the US--Arkansas in particular? I was wondering about Mena's chances for significant SNOW this winter. THANKS! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Ken, this raises a few questions for me.... > > 1. How do you know that it is the moon (which reflects rather than > > generates heat), rather than some other factor that accounts for a > > global variation of 0.02 - 0.03C over this particular 5934 day period > > (which is ~16.25 years / 65 months / 21.66 seasons) ?? > > If the study was legitimate and we have to give them the benefit of the > doubt, and the data was analysed correctly, then by the rules of research > the full moon-relevant function was the variant that showed significance, > otherwise they would not have published results claiming that it was. You > are really asking how we know the researchers were honest and I can only say > in reply how do you know they weren't. > > > What has > > happened since 1995? or was this the only study of its type that was > > done? > I have no idea, but even if it was only done the once, does that invalidate > it? I would agree it would be a good idea to repeat it but for an experiment > to be taken seriously there is no requirement that it be repeated over and > over again. > > > 2. If the moon alone is responsible for a global variation of this > > magnitude (0.02 - 0.03C) then what magnitude is the variation that can > > be attributed to the influence of the sun? volcanic activity? human > > activity? > No idea, again, but the moon has 2.5 times the gravitational effect of the > sun, which is why we mainly talk about the moon and tides and not the sun > and tides(although there definitely is a small sun-tide factor), so I would > imagine the sun's input to be 0.2/2.5 which would translate to a potential > solar warming contribution of around 0.008degC in that figure of 0.2-0.3deg. > Insignificant, because taking that figure out of the mix that still leaves a > lunar warming of 0.19-0.29 which still rounds off to 0.2-0.3. Volcanic > activity? As eruptions are triggered by the moon anyway, I think you would > still be looking at moon data. Human activity? Negligible, as 98.6% of the > earth's surface is uninhabited(ref: National Geographic) > > > 3. "Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles > > show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month." > > Is this consistent across all seasons? and through the years? Do you > > get the same results if you change to start time of the lunar cycle eg: > > start 7 days later than the start of a lunar cycle? > These are good questions but I would imagine that anyone with a working > knowledge of lunar orbits would have taken them into account or risk > criticism later. > I suggest you do a search for Robert Balling, Arizona State University and > see if there are updates or other supporting links. > cheers > Ken > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > > Ken wrote: > > "During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic > > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon > > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant > > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats > > the > > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that > > the > > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of > > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It > > shows > > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the > > transfer waekens near new moon. " > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 07:38:23 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Drought busting rain??? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all First genuine NW cloudband over Adelaide ATM. Its been raining lightly, but steadily, for about 6 hours now, in a near dead calm. Not sure of the totals yet, but I have a feeling that this event is going to be a lifesaver for many this year. Fingers crossed for those in western Victoria and southern NSW......... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Drought busting rain??? Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:42:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil wrote: First genuine NW cloudband over Adelaide ATM. Its been raining lightly, > but steadily, for about 6 hours now, in a near dead calm. Not sure of the > totals yet, but I have a feeling that this event is going to be a lifesaver > for many this year. > > Fingers crossed for those in western Victoria and southern NSW......... Hi Phil & all, some good totals to 8am Sunday for SA:- Edithburgh 16.0mm Cleve 17.8mm Minlaton 21.2mm Parawa 26.0mm Wudinna Airport 28.8mm Ceduna 10.2mm Temperatures are very mild in central Victoria (8am Sunday) Avalon 14.4C Melbourne 15.5C Dunns Hill (502m) 11.8C Geelong 12.3C Viewbank 16.3C Wilsons Prom 15.3C Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.5] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Drought busting rain??? Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:40:45 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2002 23:40:45.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[0732A9C0:01C235C7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey Jane and all, It has been unseasonally mild in southern coastal Vic. yeserday/overnight/this morning with the generally northly winds.Wilsons Prom was actually 16.8C at 4am!(max for the day) then dipped slightly and at 9am is on 17.9C. not bad for July at the southern tip of the mainland :) http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDV65250/IDV65250.94893.shtml <-- last 72 hours at the Prom. kind regards TM >From: "Jane ONeill" > >some good totals to 8am Sunday for SA:- >Edithburgh 16.0mm >Cleve 17.8mm >Minlaton 21.2mm >Parawa 26.0mm >Wudinna Airport 28.8mm >Ceduna 10.2mm > >Temperatures are very mild in central Victoria (8am Sunday) >Avalon 14.4C >Melbourne 15.5C >Dunns Hill (502m) 11.8C >Geelong 12.3C >Viewbank 16.3C >Wilsons Prom 15.3C > >Jane _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 22:24:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No..never even threatened. Glorious sunny weather with only a little high cloud. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? > Can someone fill me in - did it actually rain in Sydney on Sunday or just > threaten to? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Ring" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:20 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? > > > > Could be some rain between July 27th-29th but not a great deal - ...> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:01 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > > > Are there any predictions you have with respect to significant rain > event > > > in the near future? > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:27 PM 23/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: > > > >For any barograph owners out there.. > > > >I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > > midnight, > > > >year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe > a > > > >barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick > this > > > >up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention > mine. > > If > > > >anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > > name > > > >a day in the last twenty years!). > > > >Ideas anyone? > > > >Ken > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ken Ring" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 02:19:12 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Can someone fill me in - did it actually rain in Sydney on Sunday or just threaten to? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Ring" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:20 AM Subject: aus-wx: Rain coming for Sydney..? > Could be some rain between July 27th-29th but not a great deal - ...> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy Deguara" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Solar tide effect? > > > > Hi Ken, > > > > Are there any predictions you have with respect to significant rain event > > in the near future? > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > > > At 01:27 PM 23/7/2002 +1200, you wrote: > > >For any barograph owners out there.. > > >I have had one for a number of years. Every single day at noon and > midnight, > > >year in and year out, the graph skews briefly upwards. I don't believe a > > >barometer, either digital or mechanical, is sensitive enough to pick this > > >up. I think I know why but would welcome theories before I mention mine. > If > > >anyone wants a scan of this effect, email me and I can upload it. Just > name > > >a day in the last twenty years!). > > >Ideas anyone? > > >Ken > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:42:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ken, I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, which has been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that Cold is merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an object it's temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is in fact no such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ which one may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a substance (solid, liquid or gas). Regards, John W. >sbip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Hi Craig and all I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the direction in mind that cold travels. Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has much to contribute to this discussion. Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps in the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It shows that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder over a 24 hour period. cheers Ken +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: full moon Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:26:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Ken,

Just on this assertion:

"You will nearly always see the Full moon because it has the effect of clearing the sky"

As I understand it, the theory is that due to the air tide effect of the moon, the atmosphere is stretched thus dissipating cloud. But also the atmosphere is deeper, thus the effect of stretching negates the deeper atmosphere such that the barometric pressure at the surface remains nearly constant.

If this is the case, then the density of the atmosphere at the surface and adjacent layers must also be nearly constant, and thus there surely is no net effect on cloud dissipation. Going one step further, if the atmosphere is stretched above the surface such it actually becomes less dense (i.e, the same amount of air occupies a slightly larger vertical space), then that means the pressure of that air will fall. From application of standard laws of Gasses, then that means the temperature must fall also, and perhaps this is why full moon nights in winter tend to be colder... But.... and this is a big but... If the temperature in a volume of air close to the dew point falls, then the result will be condensation and cloud formation. Therefore you would have to deduce that stretching of the atmosphere must increase the chance of cloud formation, not vice versa.

Regards,

Confused John.

>snip

From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:55 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: full moon

Richard

It's a constant. Year in and year out. Forever.

Also, it's always in the southern hemisphere around southern declination on Full moon in the southern hemisphere winter, whereas the New moon in the southern hemisphere winter is in the northern hemisphere. For that reason Full moon time in winter usually brings more unsettled weather to the southern hemisphere than the New moon time. The reason is that the moon is exerting more gravitational effect causing more wind and water action with deeper air and water tides. You will nearly always see the Full moon because it has the effect of clearing the sky. Therefore thiis alone can be predicted way ahead.

cheers

Ken Ring

www.predictweather.com

----- Original Message -----

From: richard modistach

To: weather mailing list

Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:28 AM

Subject: aus-wx: full moon

dead clear sky, ripper of a full moon tonight.

i've noticed that the full moon has a high attitude during winter and a low attitude during summer, has it always been like this or does it slowly cycle?

richard modistach

naracoorte

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From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS WIND CHILL To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:33:09 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C22EC3.1C147B80 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Howdy folks: > It's Wintertime...I don't want to make ya'll any colder, but I = > was wondering: What is the lowest windchill temperature that ya'll know = > of in AUS/NZ? A few winters ago, The Weather Channel reported a = > windchill temp. for Duluth, MN of -87F(-66.1C)Brrrrrr....rrrrrr...I = > guess some windchills in Alaska would be even lower. Well, drink a cup = > of hot cocoa for me!!! > In coolish and rainy Mena David Powell. Windchill isn't routinely reported in Australia. It would be an interesting exercise to feed the numbers reported from the alpine sites into the most recent windchill formulae (which have changed somewhat recently). Sites like Crackenback and Mount Hotham would have experienced temperatures around the -8 to -10 range with winds in excess of 30 knots. (Elsewhere, such temperatures - or lower - are almost always reported with calm winds). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brisbane 1030hpa and rising To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:40:13 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C22FC7.859E59E0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all > > Rather high pressure readings around SE Queensland at the moment. I = > can't recall surface pressure getting into the 1030hpa range here = > before, but I'm sure it must do occasionally.=20 > > It does. Highest 3-hourly pressure at Brisbane Airport is 1034.1 hPa on 8 July 1987. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: AUS WIND CHILL Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:41:02 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Blair The Wind Chill calcs on Weatherzone uses the latest US Wind Chill formula: http://www.weatherzone.com.au/observations/observations.jsp?state=VIC&ty pe=metar&order=nWindChill Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Blair Trewin Sent: Monday, 29 July 2002 4:33 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS WIND CHILL > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C22EC3.1C147B80 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Howdy folks: > It's Wintertime...I don't want to make ya'll any colder, but I > = was wondering: What is the lowest windchill temperature that ya'll > know = of in AUS/NZ? A few winters ago, The Weather Channel reported a > = windchill temp. for Duluth, MN of -87F(-66.1C)Brrrrrr....rrrrrr...I > = guess some windchills in Alaska would be even lower. Well, drink a > cup = of hot cocoa for me!!! > In coolish and rainy Mena David Powell. Windchill isn't routinely reported in Australia. It would be an interesting exercise to feed the numbers reported from the alpine sites into the most recent windchill formulae (which have changed somewhat recently). Sites like Crackenback and Mount Hotham would have experienced temperatures around the -8 to -10 range with winds in excess of 30 knots. (Elsewhere, such temperatures - or lower - are almost always reported with calm winds). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "richard modistach" To: "weather mailing list" Subject: Fw: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:53:57 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com that;'s right john, like there's no such thing as a vaccuum, just a lack of pressure. regards richard modistach ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodbridge To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > Hi Ken, > > I would just like to point out that accepted scientific thought, which has > been shown many times over with simple experimentation, is that Cold is > merely absence of Heat. If you take ALL the heat out of an object it's > temperature drops to absolue zero, i.e, -273C. or 0K. There is in fact no > such thing as Cold as physical entity, only more or less Heat ~ which one > may define as the level of excitation of molecules within a substance > (solid, liquid or gas). > > Regards, > John W. > >sbip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Ken Ring > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 11:19 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: It's Freezing!!!!!!1 > > > Hi Craig and all > I think as humans we are source-driven in our thinking. We look for where > things like air comes from, also life, love, the universe, you name it. I > would say cold is another concept which has to come from somewhere. Nor can > it come from the absence of something else - cold is real and arguably even > more visible in its effects than heat. Freezers are designed with the > direction in mind that cold travels. > Most texts on meteorology don't even mention the moon, so with all due > respect to any authors of those, I don't think referring to those books has > much to contribute to this discussion. > Work HAS been done by NASA and others which shows the Full moon has a > heating effect on the earth. For example, in 1995 Balling(Arizona State > University) found an influence of moon phase on daily global temps. Temps in > the lower troposphere are warmest 5-8 days before the Full moon and coolest > during New moon. During a period of nearly 5934 days(more than 200 synodic > cycles) between 1979 and the early months of 1995, the phase of the moon > accounted for a global variation in temp of 0.02-0.03degC. Significant > enough to alter weather. The same team found that the moon also heats the > earth's poles. Using 17 years of satellite temp. data, they found that the > poles show a temp. range of 0.55degC during a lunar month. This range of > temperature is 25x greater than for global temperatures as a whole. It shows > that there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the > transfer waekens near new moon. After Full moon, the moon enters Earth's > magnetic tail, and there begins more interference with cosmic radiation. > All this work is available on the internet. If anyone wants source refs I > can provide them. And there could be two discussions here - whether or not > it gets colder at night over a full moon and whether or not it gets colder > over a 24 hour period. > cheers > Ken > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "arky dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: WX PICS Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 03:46:50 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:47:32 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: AUS WIND CHILL X-Mailer: WorldClient 6.0.3 X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Huh!? How come wind-chill isn't reported in Oz? Here in tropical Hong Kong it is automatically reported if the temperature is below about 12C and if the wind-chill is significantly lower than the temperature. At the moment though, the column that bears wind-chill in the winter is used for heat-index. Is the heat index reported in Australia during the Summer? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Blair Trewin

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