http://australiasevereweather.com/ X-Originating-IP: [203.54.89.84] From: "S G" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Boiling action in Adelaide yesterday Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 07:25:41 +0930 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 21:55:41.0318 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5AAF260:01C149FA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well Vic sure got a show last night but even here in Adelaide yesterday afternoon before 3:00pm some very sharp fast moving cells developed into a line near Adelaide. Here in the SE suburbs I got some thunder ahead of the showers but no lightning. The middle level cloud had cleared off and conditions were very humid and mild with lots of low cloud. The cold front was right on our doorstep and before the line of showers, a clear slot of blue sky developed where I am and I got the best view of one of the fastest boiling clouds ever! The cloud was not only moving fast but boiling extremely quickly. Reminded me of a summer day watching the clouds slowly boil but ten times faster, a small anvil even developed in association with this boiling action. Unluckily I missed out on the heavy shower activity here but other suburbs got some. I am still very impressed with what I saw, pitty I didn't get time to get it on video as it all happened to quickly. Rainfall here has been pretty poor from this system but we may get a decent shower or two in association with the colder air to the SW today or tomorrow. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dane Newman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Last night Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 08:22:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Finally some action in Melbourne last night. First thunder I have heard since June. After a warm and windy day 28.4c in the city a line of fast moving storms came throuugh most suburbs between 7 and 8pm. Unfortunately i was at a house warming party in Wantirna and didnt get much of an opportunity to view the action, however there was quite a few cc's and a few cg's as well. A couple of them were close with loud thunder that shook the house. The storms were accompanied by brief heavy rain and squally winds, they moved through pretty quickly with a period of light rain afterwards, 10.2mm of rain in the gauge this morning in Croydon. Last month was warm and fairly dry in the Melbourne area just 55.4mm of rain here in Croydon ( ave is over 90mm) Dane. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [155.144.17.252] From: "Simon" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne's Electrical Storm Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 09:03:41 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2001 23:03:41.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[25DD28A0:01C14A04] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com


Was outside my house saying goodbye to my sister last night, when I felt the wind pick up and the pressure drop - it had "that feeling" about it. I quickly rushed off my sister, and then my wife and I jumped in the car and went about 5km down the road to the boat ramp and cliffs of Mt. Martha.

We watched the whole thing come across the bay from the West.

I also managed to get my first lightning strike on digital film! (after shooting (literally) over 150 shots). The forks were magnificent! As it came in over Port Philip Bay, there was a sunset, trying to break through the clouds, leaving a wonderful ruddy haze as the lightning began. Last night was truely awesome... I love living by the bay to be able to watch them come in, and only need 5 minutes notice!

 

Simon



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From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cloud band bulge!. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 11:10:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 01:12:01.0089 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F55B10:01C14A16] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting feature on the clearing edge of the cloud band over southeast Aus this morning with a distinctive bulge pushing south-westward just north of Melbourne and has propagated along the line from southern NSW over the past 6 hours worth watching, also the weakening low west of Tas is continuing to edge eastward rather than south-eastward, the position of the low and the 'Bulge' may be connected. regards clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 12:43:32 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: CHASE REPORT: Vic chaser who headed out west Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Here's my account of what happened yesterday at Ararat in western Vic: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_09_30/today.html It was a great day with lightning all over the place, hence proving a bit hard to get on video, but I did get one doosy of a CG. The rest are pretty crap when compared to it! And I didn't realise it was a night GF in the rugby league. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 16:49:52 +1000 From: Kevin Parkyn Organization: Bureau of Meteorology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: Vic storms Sunday 30 September Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, Well the convection season is truly off and running in Victoria thanks to a spectacular line of thunderstorms that really started to mature late Sunday afternoon to the west of Melbourne. The viewing I'm sure most would agree was nothing short of spectacular. Firstly I'd like to thank those who take the time to put a few words together and describe their weather watching experiences. It certainly helps me and others in the forecasting office who I know would love to be amongst it but are sometimes too busy to appreciate the 'atmospheric cauldron' first-hand. The feedback from some of the Vic chasers is nothing short of exceptional, particularly Jane, Clyve, Robert and co. So I would like to say thank you on behalf of the Severe Weather Section here in Vic. On the forecasting bench what we really crave sometimes are actual weather observations or reports of damage. If you are one of the Bureau's storm spotters we would very much appreciate a call on the toll free number if you come across something interesting that you think we should know about. That number will usually take you straight through to the severe weather forecaster or one of the operational meteorologists. If you do call we'd of course like to discuss everything meteorological but unfortunately in the 'heat of the battle' we don't usually have much time. Finally, with respect to Sunday evening did anyone, apart from Clyve (who seems live in Victoria's severe weather belt!), come across any damage to property or vegetation or perhaps experienced severe wind gusts in excess of 90 km/hr? Regards, -- Kevin Parkyn Meteorologist Severe Weather Section Victorian Regional Office Bureau of Meteorology Ph: 03 9669 4972 or 03 9669 4923 Fax: 03 9663 4964 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Views and opinions expressed in this transmission may be those personally held by me and do not necessarily represent the position of the Bureau of Meteorology. --------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p411-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.157] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 17:17:29 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: If AVN is correct, Tuesday 2 Oct - West Hunter to Sydney Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If AVN is correct, Tuesday 2 Oct - West Hunter to Sydney - late afternoon / dusk / early evening, looks good. http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100215z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100212z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100209z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100206z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100203z.gif http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/OCT02Tues/Cape2001100200z.gif +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "David Carroll" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 17:22:04 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/10/2001 05:22:05 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDN28300 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1655 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa South West Slopes south of a line through Temora to Tumut ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Off topic sort of Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:00:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm looking for some on-line maps. I know we have auslig etc but is there anything for the bush areas? Eg. Forests etc. Maybe heading Into the hills in a week or so and just wondered. Thanks. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 19:50:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie in Rutherglen!!! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm Look out NSW!! The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY EXTENDING NORTHEAST. CLOUD: ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, EXTENDING NE. Enjoy!! - I know we did Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p411-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.157] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 19:55:27 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, Bussie Subject: Re: aus-wx: Off (the beaten track ?) topic - sort of ? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Where do you want to go Bussie ? One you could play with is: http://birds.rhyme.com.au/virtmap/oz/200/800_600/133_00_00/27_00_00/birds.html Assuming you are looking at Vic sticks try: http://birds.rhyme.com.au/virtmap/oz/50/800_600/145_00_00/36_00_00/birds.html Note: the "50" is the magnification (it works backwards - 40 is zoom in - 60 is zoom out), the 800_600 is the pixel size (change to whatever you want) and the centre position of the image is defined by the Longitude (145_00_00) and Latitude (36_00_00). PC Bussie wrote: > I'm looking for some on-line maps. I know we have auslig etc but is there > anything for the bush areas? Eg. Forests etc. Maybe heading Into the hills > in a week or so and just wondered. Thanks. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NSW STA To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 From: "David Carroll" Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:06:24 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 01/10/2001 08:06:25 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1957 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 This advice replaces the advice issued at 16:55 and now affects people in the following weather districts: Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa [including Corowa] South West Slopes west of a line through West Wyalong and Cootamundra ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p99-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.99] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:19:38 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. Jimmy Deguara At 08:06 PM 1/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > >NSW Severe Thunderstorm Advice >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE >Issued at 1957 on Monday the 1st of October 2001 > >This advice replaces the advice issued at 16:55 and now affects people in >the following weather districts: > >Riverina east of a line through Hay to Corowa [including Corowa] >South West Slopes west of a line through West Wyalong and Cootamundra > > > >##################################################################################### >This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential >information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and >notify the >sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender, and are >not necessarily the views of Country Energy. >##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Shutting down Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:32:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm shutting down! What's approaching from the NW looks very menacing. Why is he laughing??? Light rain now and lot's of lightning and rumbles are getting louder. May have something to say later. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:21:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a "visual". Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). Frogs are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did notice today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. Watching........... I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:39:55 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Hi all, > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:53:43 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Shutting down Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Again I emphasize (sp) that you vics should move to Bussie's town ! :) Matt Bussie wrote: > I'm shutting down! What's approaching from the NW looks very menacing. Why > is he laughing??? > Light rain now and lot's of lightning and rumbles are getting louder. May > have something to say later. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.138.25.69] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sultry Sunday in Colac, and driving home in the lightning! Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 10:55:35 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 10:55:36.0137 (UTC) FILETIME=[998DAB90:01C14A67] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey People what a way to end a magnificent weekend! Real Cbs across western vic. All the action started in Colac at about 6pm with nice Alta Cu Castles. I took quite a few digi pics so I'll get them n the net very soon (this isn't my pc) some nice pics for the event and some from last week. It was an awesome drive home with CGs left right and centre, nice anvil, cloud base, crawling CCs, and nice heavy rain, but I have no idea how much I got in the guage coes it fell over! Took a few more digi pics of this avos cold Cbs that developed to the south of here late in the avo. Hopefully it's a start of something good cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: Robert Goler >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Vic chasers heading out west >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 12:04:41 +1000 (EST) > > >Hi all > >Just informing y'all that I'll be heading out towards the Stawell area in >western Vic. Jane has already left for the same area. If the rugby >league GF starts getting boring, then feel free to update me on > >0408 vortex > >Here's hoping for some action this arvo. > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >School of Mathematical Sciences >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >ph. +61 3 9905 4424 >email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 20:59:58 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No chasers live in far S/SW NSW Jane. Matt Smith Jane ONeill wrote: > Evening all, > > These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie > in Rutherglen!!! > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm > > Look out NSW!! > > The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! > > SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH > SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z > AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF > AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF > TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY > EXTENDING NORTHEAST. > > > CLOUD: > ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT > FIRST, EXTENDING NE. > > Enjoy!! - I know we did > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:22:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:23:56.0965 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F536D50:01C14A6B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. I cant help it I keep having a look at my video clip of the microburst just to stay excited ,although I was that rushed with adrenalin when taking it , it looks just like a typical 'back yard video job' you know camera jumping around everywhere that sought of stuff......regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: weather list Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:21 PM Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a "visual". > Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as > nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). Frogs > are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see > pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did notice > today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. > Watching........... > I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Brilliant stuff Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:23:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A nice thunderstorm has just passed over here, although I think it may have only been the edge. Very active and heavy rain, getting to 96mm an hour here at one stage and currently moving SE. I got 11.2 mm and a gust of 55.5kmh from the north. Some nutbag thought it'd be a good idea to put the video cam out to film it. Hehe. Bit wet but was still going. I wiped the water off the lense at one stage. Interesting to see. Just noticed that the temp has risen again, as well as the DP and humidity. Maybe it's not all over yet?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:29:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm definitely interested here as I saw that too!! Was a little concerned that I may have been seeing things but someone else was here and is a bit interested in the weather and me being a junior just mentioned that I noticed a bit of a hook and wasn't too sure. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > Hi all, > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:31:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Eveing all, This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > Hi all, > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one possibly > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Something going on! Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:40:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:41:42.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A40EE50:01C14A6E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all weather people. Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at with the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:36:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just like the one I probably took with a wet video camera. I was inside but it was outside in a "nice spot" taking footage. I'm interested to see what it got. Was dark of course. I did get a 55.5 kmh burst though. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > Hi Bussie. > I cant help it I keep having a look at my video clip of the microburst just > to stay excited ,although I was that rushed with adrenalin when taking it , > it looks just like a typical 'back yard video job' you know camera jumping > around everywhere that sought of stuff......regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussie > To: weather list > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:21 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Approaching storm. > > > > Just had a look at radar (thanks Dave) and thought I better have a > "visual". > > Lots of lightning now to the North of here but still a little way away as > > nothing heard. Bet I don't beat Clyve's 122kmh (Hope I don't anyway). > Frogs > > are quiet (hiding I think). Being a bit of a dead spot it's unusual to see > > pinks on the radar approaching me from the NW. I'll wait and see. Did > notice > > today though that the young slaters had headed for the veranda again. > > Watching........... > > I'm Big Kev and I'm excited......... > > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:43:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bet they do! We just haven't met them yet! Well! Maybe not storm chasers but I bet any money there's someone there that likes watching them!! :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian storms > > No chasers live in far S/SW NSW Jane. > > Matt Smith > > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Evening all, > > > > These are the storms around Rutherglen at dusk today, courtesy of Bussie > > in Rutherglen!!! > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_10_01.htm > > > > Look out NSW!! > > > > The NSW aviation forecast (inland - Area 22) makes great reading!! > > > > SEVERAL WEAK SURFACE TROUGHS IN AREA, AND A DISTINCT UPPER TROUGH > > SLOPING WESTWARDS WITH HEIGHT, AT 3000 FT EXPECTED HUNGERFORD/HAY AT 11Z > > AND GOODOOGA/FORBES AT 23Z, AND AT 10000 FT REACHING FAR SOUTHWEST OF > > AREA ABOUT 23Z. RAIN AND ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS EAST OF > > TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND SOUTHWEST OF BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT FIRST, GRADUALLY > > EXTENDING NORTHEAST. > > > > > > CLOUD: > > ISOL EMBD CB 3000/35000 BETWEEN TIBOOBURRA/HAY AND BREWARRINA/DUBBO AT > > FIRST, EXTENDING NE. > > > > Enjoy!! - I know we did > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:46:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Shh. I was....... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > Eveing all, > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > and > > the result was this: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > possibly > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.138.25.43] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Something going on! Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 11:57:48 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2001 11:57:48.0739 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A5B8930:01C14A70] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is it possible this Low could become cut off??? it does look a little cradled? I'm currently uploading all my digi pics, shall be online soon http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/Pics2001/ cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: "clyve herbert" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Something going on! >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:40:31 +1000 > >Hi all weather people. >Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden >strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated >baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to >join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there >appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the >cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there >is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which >has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a >lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at >with >the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 22:00:01 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Something going on! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve how are you this evening I agree ! Sat pic looks very interesting over NSW at the moment, hopefully a defined low centre will form in the next few hours... look out tomorrow NSW people, if the could clears it will go off like a rocket. (wednesday looks good also at this stage) Take your camera's, with the jet strengthening and forecast instability around,we could see some big storms develope.. looking forward to tomorrows sounding ! Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all weather people. > Some interesting things going on over Aus at the moment check the sudden > strengthening of the sub tropical jet over central Aus and an associated > baroclinic cloud band (moisture ex west of Indonesia) just commencing to > join with the cloud band stalling over south-eastern Australia.Also there > appears to be a wave over north-eastern Vic along the clearing edge of the > cloud band, enhanced uplift going on here too with a few storms ,also there > is some unusual movement of the large cloud band north of New Zealand which > has been edging towards the southwest over the past 12 hours! and a > lingering cold pool west of Tasmania all worth keeping a close look at with > the possibility of vorticity near to southeastern Aus.. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: NSW Storms Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:02:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
 
Looks pretty impressive ATM to the west of canberra, just finished work,(thank god for the public holiday, or i wouldn't finish till midnight!!!) looks like canberra will miss out though, with the cells moving quite radpidly SE'ly, slipping into south ACT. did see a flash of lightning 20 minutes ago, but was quie distant. we may just get a few flashes but as for rain or storms, i dont think so... maybe tomorrow, headline states chance of a t'storm.
 
Cheers,
Simon Angell
Canberra ACT
From: "islesit" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:15:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dear Bussie, Seems like you have been having all the fun over last two days. Im patiently waiting up here on the north coast. Forecast of storms for next two days. If we get anything interesting ill let you know. Good to see your finally getting some weather. Ian Isles Coffs Harbour -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:47 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Shh. I was....... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > Eveing all, > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > and > > the result was this: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > possibly > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:42:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anyone know when the Yarrawonga radar will be up and functional?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 22:39:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com God knows though that I've waited long enough, and so have others of course. Must admit though, all the stuff I see over the spring and summer; I wish I lived in the ranges! My cousin (a farmer) says that the next farm he gets will be in the ranges as that's where everything is forecast for :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "islesit" To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: NSW STA > Dear Bussie, > > Seems like you have been having all the fun over last two days. > > Im patiently waiting up here on the north coast. Forecast of storms for next > two days. > > If we get anything interesting ill let you know. > > Good to see your finally getting some weather. > > Ian Isles > > Coffs Harbour > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie > Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 9:47 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > > Shh. I was....... > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW STA > > > > Eveing all, > > > > This is rather interesting....on the 2030 satpic, this whole system > > seems to be tilting positive longitudinal whilst dragging a huge amount > > of water vapour in from the Indian Ocean - what's happening here? Looks > > suspiciously like a low could develop? (or is this a wish forecast?) > > > > BTW, Bussie got a 56kmh windgust, 96mm rainfall return rate, lots of cgs > > & a rather damp video from being outside in the middle of a raging > > thunderstorm........do you reckon he's been enjoying himself? > > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 20:19, Jimmy Deguara hit his keyboard with his head > > and > > > the result was this: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > It seems the storms in S NSW look like supercellular with one > > possibly > > > > splitting. The left one seemed to slow down a touch. The storms are > > > > definitely moving at a fast pace otherwise. > > > > > > Is that a slight hook echo i see just passing Lockhart at 10UTC? > > > > > > David > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Bush Subject: aus-wx: Dampier Sunset To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Back from my winter hibernation :P Had a fantastic sunset here on the NW coast this evening :) I took these pics at Dampier between 6-7pm WST http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset1.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset2.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset3.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset4.jpg http://users.bigpond.net.au/karratha_wx/temp/sunset5.jpg Hopefully I'll have some nice CB pics before the months over :) Best Regards JJ Karratha WA ICQ 6187498 www.karrathaweather.org #weather chat: http://javachat.karrathaweather.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Rapid storm development in Illawarra Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 23:16:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com In the space of an hour a lovely line of storms has developed here in the Illawarra. On the lightning tracker it shows very well, and seems to be a new trough ( yikes close CG, may have to log off soon ) as you trace it way NW to Coonabarabran. Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 18:34:55 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all My wife is a Historian/Librarian for the local Alice Springs Library. She was looking at a 1950's CSIRO book, and found some interesting experiments they undertook at the time. One of them was to determine what direction whirlywinds spun around in. To measure this, the scientists had to grab bits of screwed up paper whenever a whirlywind went past, chase after it and toss the paper in, then watch which way the paper spun around! 90% of the time it was anti-clockwise!! The book said that they quite often couldn't catch up with the whirlywinds, and obviously they never knew when they were coming, so it was just a casual experiment. On more current matters, hundreds of fires have been burning in and around Alice Springs for the past few months, creating a smoke plume everyday. Nearly all have been deliberately lit, and not for environmental reasons. The entire Simpson Gap Park has been burnt out, and thousands of hectares of pastoral land which had plenty of feed from recent rains is now black and crispy. This is the 'Windy' season at the moment, so not good for the control of fires. I don't really know why it is always so windy at this time if the year, but many old time pastoralists and aboriginal elders always tell stories of continous dust storms at this time of the year. Maybe it has something to do with Central Australia falling on the extremes of heat lows coming down from the North, and Dry Highs coming up from the South. Cheers, Duncan (equal second in the Weather List Footy Tips Comp. - dgt. Congratulations to Crows Forever for winning - and what a great team to name your tipping name after!) 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Nice big house shaking thunder here at Blaxland, and moments of heavy rain. ____________________________ Daniel Weatherhead weatherhead at ozemail.com.au Blaxland, NSW ============================ SYDNEY STORM CHASERS http://www.sydneystormchasers.com ============================ ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: aus-wx: Rapid storm development in Illawarra > In the space of an hour a lovely line of storms has developed here in the > Illawarra. > > On the lightning tracker it shows very well, and seems to be a new trough > ( yikes close CG, may have to log off soon ) as you trace it way NW to > Coonabarabran. > > > Michael Thompson > http://ozthunder.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy \(home\)" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 06:22:56 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bussie Should be up by about March 2002 http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/010329.shtml Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Bussie Sent: Monday, 1 October 2001 10:42 PM To: weather list Subject: aus-wx: Yarrawonga radar Anyone know when the Yarrawonga radar will be up and functional?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 10:42:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 00:43:42.0863 (UTC) FILETIME=[492661F0:01C14ADB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.119.147] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:34:06 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 01:34:06.0453 (UTC) FILETIME=[53599A50:01C14AE2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) IDN10064 METROPOLITAN FORECAST BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday afternoon. Chance of early morning fogs in west. North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly change in the evening. I cant help but drool :) i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little bit over the blue mountains... Michael Olsen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:59:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:01:00.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[155B4100:01C14AE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Looks as if much of eastern Vic and even the possibility of central Vic may see some decent thunderstorm activity today, already some good lightning returns on the lightning detector all within 100 to 200 klm of Melbourne (am radio) its interesting to note all this has fired up over the last 1 hour or so, keep a lookout. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:59:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:00:27.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[01D87120:01C14AE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast near Sale. Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with severe storms likely in NSW. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Hi all. > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 11:54:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :)

Wollongong 11:50 EST

It has cleared completely here now that the mid and upper level cloud has burnt off/shoved off and is heating up very quickly. Feeling quite humid and definately like it's going to go right off!! At 9:30 there was some nice cumulous hugging the escarpment with bases at around 600-700m. If things start firing today on the back of a fresh NE'er I'll bet that the area around Sutherland to Banskstown might be the place to be, providing of course the storms propogate in a northerly direction from the Illawarra escarpment. History is showing this to be a good path. Hers hoping for the below to happen. All cameras filmed up and ready to shoot.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Olsen [mailto:phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:34 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :)


This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :)

IDN10064
METROPOLITAN FORECAST
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001

Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday
Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe,
developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday
afternoon.  Chance of early morning fogs in west.
North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late
afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest
tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly
change in the evening.


I cant help but drool :)

i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little
bit over the blue mountains...

Michael Olsen

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From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Storm again Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:19:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another thunderstorm to the North at present. Thunder getting closer and more distinct :-) Outa here. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:19:21 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Here in Bathurst getting plenty of thunder, havent seen any lightning as yet. Very dark over Mt Panorama and dark to the west of Bathurst. BRING IT ON EVERYONE!!! Dave Bathurst Michael Olsen wrote: > > This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) > > IDN10064 > METROPOLITAN FORECAST > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 > > Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday > Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, > developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday > afternoon. Chance of early morning fogs in west. > North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late > afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest > tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly > change in the evening. > > I cant help but drool :) > > i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a little > bit over the blue mountains... > > Michael Olsen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:20:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow, seems like everyone is primed for action today (myself included). I admit, the latest forecast is a bit of a dream... AVN model is dreaming nicely too, 8:22am dataset has LI's hovering between -4 and -6 for the entire afternoon (Sydney Metro area) and CAPE around 1000-1200 J/kg. Plenty of fuel around from last nights showers anyhow, outside it is pretty muggy indeed. Most sites in Sydney now showing 23-24C, and still rising. The 6am YSSY sounding puts LI's at -4.8C assuming Ts of 25.4. Still, we might get close. Sounding even puts tot-tots at 49, most other models hovering around 50 I think. Any other comments on this mornings trace, or is everyone waiting for the next one this afternoon? :-) Regards, Mal Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Godsman, Andrew AG[SMTP:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:54 > To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' > Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) > > Wollongong 11:50 EST > > It has cleared completely here now that the mid and upper level cloud has > burnt off/shoved off and is heating up very quickly. Feeling quite humid > and definately like it's going to go right off!! At 9:30 there was some > nice cumulous hugging the escarpment with bases at around 600-700m. If > things start firing today on the back of a fresh NE'er I'll bet that the > area around Sutherland to Banskstown might be the place to be, providing > of course the storms propogate in a northerly direction from the Illawarra > escarpment. History is showing this to be a good path. Hers hoping for the > below to happen. All cameras filmed up and ready to shoot. > > Cheers > Andrew Godsman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Olsen [ mailto:phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 11:34 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: dream forecast :) > > > This is sydneys forecast for this arvo :) > > IDN10064 > METROPOLITAN FORECAST > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE > Issued at 11:25am on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 > > Sydney Metropolitan: For remainder of today and Wednesday > Partly cloudy. Some showers and thunderstorms, possibly severe, > developing this afternoon, evening, overnight and again Wednesday > afternoon.  Chance of early morning fogs in west. > North to northeast winds, moderate to fresh on the coast late > afternoon and evening today, becoming light northwest to southwest > tonight. Coastal sea breezes tomorrow afternoon ahead of a southerly > change in the evening. > > > I cant help but drool :) > > i say bring it on... its looking like its already starting to fire a > little > bit over the blue mountains... > > Michael Olsen > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >  To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >  with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >  message. >  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information that > is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for use by > the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the > person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, > be advised that you have received this message in error and that any > dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is strictly > forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein.  If you have > received this message in error please notify the sender immediately and > delete the message. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:26:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:27:40.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF0BD8A0:01C14AE9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, Cells reaching pink intensity to the W of Melbourne now. Cell been in the red for two frames near Bairnsdale now. The day gets more interesting. ;-) Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. > Hi all. > Looks as if much of eastern Vic and even the possibility of central Vic may > see some decent thunderstorm activity today, already some good lightning > returns on the lightning detector all within 100 to 200 klm of Melbourne (am > radio) its interesting to note all this has fired up over the last 1 hour or > so, keep a lookout. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:34:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 02:35:26.0624 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4E72200:01C14AEA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew. One can almost draw two lines at the moment. One running from Swan Hill to Cape Otway east of that line showers possibly heavy and the chance of thunder, and another line Echuca to Mt Macedon then east of Melbourne to the south Gippsland hills east of this line showers and thunder possibly severe. There's a 10 to 20mm shower just approaching Leopold see yaa...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Clyve, > > Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I > thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. > There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may > even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is > approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps > of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. > There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast > near Sale. > > Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with > severe storms likely in NSW. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > > > > Hi all. > > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p172-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.172] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:48:01 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: South Coast storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com geroa / gerringong area just south of kiama is going to get plastered ! look at the embedded red spots on sydney local at 12:30 pm (02:30UTC) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: dream forecast :) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:36:06 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dear aus-wx: If I had a very fast car, were invisible and had nothing else to do, I'd like to pull off the road somewhere N of West Wyalong ATM. VIS image shows a few storms with nice long streaming anvils. One of the storms appears to be in the process of splitting. Oh yes, I believe I am looking at supercells. The morning CBT sounding (to the NW) showed very good flow (100+ knots) at anvil level, and marginal shear for supercells. Look for easterly surface flows!! Low-level moisture isn't great, but workable. This moisture is probably a legacy from previous convection, rather than a genuine moisture feed off the Coral Sea. Mal typed earlier: > Most sites in Sydney now showing 23-24C, and still rising. The 6am YSSY > sounding puts LI's at -4.8C assuming Ts of 25.4. Still, we might get close. > Sounding even puts tot-tots at 49, most other models hovering around 50 I > think. The 2000 UTC SSY sounding shows a classic onion profile, indicative of convectively processed air. Although the surface mixing ratio is 12 g/kg (which explains the better part of the LI=-4.8 issue), it drops off to 7-8 g/kg below 900 hPa. This profile should have mixed out to a column average of ~8 g/kg by now. Onshore flow and ongoing convection will probably fill in the moisture hole, the latter at the expense of the dry adiabatic lapse rate segment around 800 hPa. Shear over SSY is a little weaker than over CTRL NSW. In any case, the NSW Regional Office is "going for" severe thunderstorms today stretching NNW from SE NSW. The W edge of their outlook area stretches from Wagga to Bourke, the E end from Gosford southward. I might chime in again later, Harald PS: Does anyone have high-res maps of surface winds over CTRL NSW - maybe our DIGITAL ATMOSPHERE people ?? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: South Coast storms Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 13:41:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: South Coast storms

Peter, all

Wollongong 13:30 EST

Looks to be going right off to the west at the moment. Two rapidly building cells, one nearer to Camden with a nice large anvil strettching off to the E and NE, while the second cell is near Bowral and again looking quite mean. Both cells are backbuilding rapidly. If I was to guess I'd say they were moving from NW to SE direction. There is a bank of low cumulous cloud just over the escarpment which these cells are building from. Also seeing the anvils from west of the blue mountains as well.

The cell around the Kiama area is very hard to see due to low cloud, but if the direction of travel from the cell near Bowral is SE, this is where the action is originating from. It is going to be a HUGE afternoon, just in time for me to run home from work. I hope everyone gets their fair share of storm action, hopefully severe, but not causing too much damage to property.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

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geroa / gerringong area just south of kiama is going to get plastered !
look at the embedded red spots on sydney local at 12:30 pm (02:30UTC)

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Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:15:32 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is red on radar. Dave +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:34:27 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html Had my mouth drooling! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p172-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.172] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:39:36 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Been watching the area w/sw of camden for a hour or two - it seems to be a cell breading ground - often going pink - cell moves se, then dies, then 20 min later a new one starts in the same area as the first. Pretty obvious on 128 km sydney loops. interesting. PC David Carroll wrote: > Hi all. > > Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink > on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is > red on radar. > > Dave > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Flow patterns. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:41:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ...and the hardest part is knowing that it is out there & not being able to get amongst it!!!! I managed to shoot up the hill for a quick couple of photos & spotted a very grunty Cj to the southeast & more coming from the west. Looked like a hail shaft ot the SE as well..... Dontcha just love spring!!!!!!!! Jane Hi Andrew. One can almost draw two lines at the moment. One running from Swan Hill to Cape Otway east of that line showers possibly heavy and the chance of thunder, and another line Echuca to Mt Macedon then east of Melbourne to the south Gippsland hills east of this line showers and thunder possibly severe. There's a 10 to 20mm shower just approaching Leopold see yaa...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > Clyve, > > Today has my attention ;-). After looking at a few things this morning I > thought there maybe a chance of thunderstorms anywhere east of Melbourne. > There are now showers pulsing into the yellow to the W of Melbourne so I may > even have to revise my forecast further west. A significant upper trough is > approaching from the W and upper temps are already low with 500mb temps > of -22C. Surface temps around 20-22C should see storms pop here today. > There is already some nice cells over the E ranges and along the SE coast > near Sale. > > Should be an interesting day for much of the E coast of Australia with > severe storms likely in NSW. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:42 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Flow patterns. > > > > Hi all. > > Interesting flow patterns over central Vic this morning,surface flow from > > south west however above 1200m all cloud moving from almost due north, the > > north east of Vic looks ok for activity this afternoon. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Oberon Storm Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:55:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 14:55EST Hi Peter, Bowral has always been a good cell 'breeding ground' for as long as I've lived in Sydney. :) Take a look at the 128km loop from Kurnell from 0345Z - 0435Z though... check out the direction on the cell near Mittagong, and then compare it to the others :) I will have to watch it for a few more frames yet, to see if it is moving against the main flow. Mal Ninnes Sydney > ---------- > From: Peter Creswick[SMTP:ventus45 at ihug.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 14:39 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Oberon Storm > > Been watching the area w/sw of camden for a hour or two - it seems to be a > cell breading ground - often going pink - cell moves se, then dies, then > 20 > min later a new one starts in the same area as the first. Pretty obvious > on > 128 km sydney loops. interesting. > PC > > David Carroll wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > Seems like nice storm thats headed from Oberon now heading SE, is pink > > on radar heading to Bowral/Wollongong . Another storm at Bowral now is > > red on radar. > > > > Dave > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:26:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sydney: 330pm Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:32:32 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:32:32.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2563BB0:01C14B03] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey everyone, Man did I rush home from work!, caught glimpses of some large cells to sw of Sydney from there, right now (330pm) i'm looking at an area of massiveness to the north west of Sydney, it's like a line of very dark haze with boiling cumulus features popping over the haze line all over the place, it must be distant because radar isnt showing it, but it looks kinda close maybe cause of its size (hope so!),, the systems have appeared to move nw-se so this one could be nearing Sydney by 5-6pm, in which case i think the STW's will be in full effect, my heart is pumping already :))))))))))))),, keep those posts a comin!... Rune p.s has there ever been a better forecast for Sydney metro that anyone can remember? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:50:16 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I notice that Bathurst had 4.6 mm in 1 minutes at 12.33 pm and 10 in 30 minms. ... at its peask that's 276 mm /hr !! Moss Vale AWS had 23.6 mm to 3 pm but nothing to 2.30.... interesting to see if any breakdown is available from there Don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ......15 mins later :) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:56:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:56:03.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB7A6AC0:01C14B06] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry to post again, but very deep booms have now started emanating from the northwest at 345, the sun is still out, 24.0C, very muggy, me and a mate are heading towards Maroota for a better look, this is very exciting!! That thunder is so damn deep! shakin my soul :)) >From: "Rune Peitersen" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Sydney: 330pm >Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 15:32:32 +1000 > > Hey everyone, > Man did I rush home from work!, caught glimpses of some large cells >to sw of Sydney from there, right now (330pm) i'm looking at an area of >massiveness to the north west of Sydney, it's like a line of very dark haze >with boiling cumulus features popping over the haze line all over the >place, >it must be distant because radar isnt showing it, but it looks kinda close >maybe cause of its size (hope so!),, the systems have appeared to move >nw-se so this one could be nearing Sydney by 5-6pm, in which case i think >the STW's will be in full effect, my heart is pumping already >:))))))))))))),, keep those posts a comin!... Rune > >p.s has there ever been a better forecast for Sydney metro that anyone can >remember? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:56:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 05:58:06.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[34785480:01C14B07] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A very nice cell has developed just NW of Melton and has just hit red on radar. Some very solid updrafts can be seen from here and it looks like a line of cells may develop N of this. I can also see the now decaying cell/s that were over the Geelong area earlier - a nice cluster of weak multicells. Could be an interesting afternoon/evening across Central, Eastern and North Eastern Victoria. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Lindsay Smail To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far > east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. > Lindsay Smail. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 16:56:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 06:57:40.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[86BB77B0:01C14B0F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The bureau have amended their forecast for Victoria and Melbourne with thunderstorms and chance of hail mentioned in here. I wonder if they had a report of hail or if its just becuase its fairly cool aloft. Cell which was near Melton was red for 3 frames but recently has weakened considerably. New development is taking place just N of Sunbury and should drift SE across Melbourne over the next hour or so. Some nice multicells have been occuring over the west cetral districts this afternoon and should continue for a while this evening. More storms are possible in eastern and north eastern districts overnight and tomorrow before contracting to far eastern areas on thursday. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > A very nice cell has developed just NW of Melton and has just hit red on > radar. Some very solid updrafts can be seen from here and it looks like a > line of cells may develop N of this. I can also see the now decaying cell/s > that were over the Geelong area earlier - a nice cluster of weak multicells. > > Could be an interesting afternoon/evening across Central, Eastern and North > Eastern Victoria. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lindsay Smail > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:26 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST > > > > Our third thunder & lightning show in 8 days is now under way. Not as far > > east as forecast. Nothing spectacular yet! Light rain just starting. > > Lindsay Smail. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Graeme Williams" To: Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:20:43 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the most flexability without lugging bags of gear? Cheers, Graeme +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:40:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 07:42:09.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDA295F0:01C14B15] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over the central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong that has drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds have turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its rather cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and persistent mid level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 and 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:56:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 07:57:30.0217 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2A96D90:01C14B17] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme. I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graeme Williams To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:49:11 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! :) Hope all the chasers are out in force! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:39:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, In my camera bag I usually carry what I will need for most situations, be they weather or aviation related. I have actually just stepped back inside from watching a nice rotating updraft. For this I used my Pentax Z-70 with a 28-80mm lens and my Sony Digital 8 video camera. I also carry a 70-300mm zoom and tripod and sometime my Pentax ME-F with it's lenses. Sometimes gets a bit heavy to lug around everywhere, but you can never have too many camera's when the sparks start flying. Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Williams" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:53:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, I carry (at almost all times) an SLR with a 28 - 80mm lens, and a 75 - 300mm lens (the latter is my preferred lens). In the same camera bag I have a Sony video & in my normal bag (rucksack rather than shoulder bag) I carry a Kodak DC215 digital camera. I am never 'cameraless' having learnt my lesson early on & normally I have all 3 & can be seen juggling equipment to try & record everything on everything!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi Graeme. > I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 > most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a > polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm > zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I > run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been > in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I > usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony > handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the > battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graeme Williams > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 02 Oct 01 18:57:07 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong storm Tues 3.30 pm EST Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Andrew! 02 Oct 01 16:56, you wrote to All: A> Sunbury and should drift SE across Melbourne over the next hour or so. A> Some nice multicells have been occuring over the west cetral districts This cell passed well to the north of Niddrie at 6:30PM. Only distant thunder heard. Tony, VK3JED .. Disclaimed standards, apply :-) -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 02 Oct 01 18:53:58 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: TS 30/9 Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello All! Finally, some storm activity over the NW suburbs. :-) Had a couple of brief passing storms around 6PM Sunday night. Actually had to start disconnecting things in the shack (eeek! :) ). Anyway, only moderate rain, which continued into the night, and lightning was confined to CCs, didn't see any CGs at all. Also a distant rumble of thunder tonight from a cell passing several km to the north - looks like the local "storm shield" has reactivated itself... Tony, VK3JED .. This tagline is confused - it thinks it's a message. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:29:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Spent an hour or so on the hill just north of the Eastern Freeway near Kew - Heidelberg after work photographing & videoing cells to the SE, NW near Macedon & the 'rotating' updraft (that Chris Daley mentioned) eastish of Mt Dandenong. This was a **very** powerful updraft & Chris SMS'd me just after I had reported it to the BoM (who then sent someone off to have a look) - and when I rang back to report that another ASWA member had mentioned rotation (from Mooroolbark) in the same cell, he didn't sound particularly surprised. Pics from this afternoon cn be found here:- http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm Very intense precip between Lilydale & Healesville atm!! Pleased to report the first thunder heard in Bayswater for I don't know how many months!!!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi all. > At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over the > central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong that has > drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds have > turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving > underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its rather > cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and persistent mid > level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 and > 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and > drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:38:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local > atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! I just saw the most amazing thing... After watching a doco on cable the other night, that dealt with lightning (including a section on lightning and aircraft), what do I see outside, but a light aircraft flying south (just to the west of me) along a path parallel to the front. "I wonder if it would set of any lightning?" I think. *BANG*! One of the biggest and closest CC forks erupts around the aircraft! "Yup, I guess it will" p.s. A CG just hit within a few hundred meters of here in Kingsgrove, damn it was loud! -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Elmo knows where you live. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic STA Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:42:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 09:44:06.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[C74346C0:01C14B26] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, A cell developed just to the N of my place just on dark tonight and has continued to brew as it moves SE through the outer ENE sububrs of Melbourne (now been red for over an hour). THe BoM has issued a Severe Thunderstorm Advice for this cell. Priority Severe Thunderstorm Advice Issued at 7:31pm on Tuesday the 2nd of October 2001 for the Central and West and South Gippsland Districts. An area of thunderstorms east of Yarra Glen is being tracked on radar and is showing indications of being severe. The thunderstorm is continuing to move steadily southeastwards at around 30km/h. Some hail, heavy rain and gusts above 100km/h are possible. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Late pm obs Geelong. > Evening all, > > Spent an hour or so on the hill just north of the Eastern Freeway near > Kew - Heidelberg after work photographing & videoing cells to the SE, NW > near Macedon & the 'rotating' updraft (that Chris Daley mentioned) > eastish of Mt Dandenong. This was a **very** powerful updraft & Chris > SMS'd me just after I had reported it to the BoM (who then sent someone > off to have a look) - and when I rang back to report that another ASWA > member had mentioned rotation (from Mooroolbark) in the same cell, he > didn't sound particularly surprised. > > Pics from this afternoon cn be found here:- > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm > > Very intense precip between Lilydale & Healesville atm!! Pleased to > report the first thunder heard in Bayswater for I don't know how many > months!!!! > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > Hi all. > > At 1730hrs some nice hard topped cells just starting to glaciate over > the > > central ranges,also a beautiful backlit anvil just west of Geelong > that has > > drifted off the ranges south east of Ballarat. At the moment winds > have > > turned south easterly and low cu is drifting from the south moving > > underneath higher based cu still drifting from the north west and its > rather > > cool at 12c. Mid levels still showing marked instability and > persistent mid > > level snow streaks indicating a very nice cold layer between 12,000 > and > > 20,000ft. There appears to be a mid level cold pool west of Melb and > > drifting east northeast. regards Clyve H. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: September Storm Chases Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:28:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:29:57.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[2EE33BE0:01C14B2D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Evening all,
 
After seeing today's action I thought i'd share some Victorian September action with you all.  Here are two brief chase reports with video captures of mine. 
 
 
Thanks HUGELY to Jane O'Neill for putting these reports on MSC.  If you'd like to see the whole page go to....
 
 
Regards, 
 
Andrew McDonald
X-Originating-IP: [210.50.72.61] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:29:12 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 10:29:12.0386 (UTC) FILETIME=[13FA3220:01C14B2D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Paul, I had the exact same thing happen, i think the time was around 545pm, a light aircraft was flying overhead at Glenorie and was encircled by a CC that twisted all over the place, my video camera was pointing in the vague direction, i naturally squinted at the bolt which was almost overhead, so i think it might have hit. We had some intense activity here after that, a lighting bolt hit a telegraph pole within a couple of hundred metres of my house i would assume as we lost power that instant for about 1 minute, then lighting struck my house 5 minutes later, i was on the toilet at the time (probably very fortunate!!) and felt a little surge go through me which was quite scary,, at the moment 830pm, moderate rain with lightning flashes to the north and north west, maybe more to come,........ >From: "Paul Mirtschin" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: aMAZING RADAR >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:38:02 +1000 > > > If you have access to the net, have a look at Sydney local > > atm. Just impressive! Must be definite hail and twisters in that lot! > >I just saw the most amazing thing... > >After watching a doco on cable the other night, that dealt with >lightning (including a section on lightning and aircraft), what do I see >outside, but a light aircraft flying south (just to the west of me) >along a path parallel to the front. > >"I wonder if it would set of any lightning?" I think. > >*BANG*! One of the biggest and closest CC forks erupts around the >aircraft! > >"Yup, I guess it will" > >p.s. A CG just hit within a few hundred meters of here in Kingsgrove, >damn it was loud! > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > >Elmo knows where you live. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:04:23 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Clearly some cold air aloft in Adelaide this afternoon. Nice cold air anvils and some good scud action which I took some shots of. No hail or thinder though. Still very damp here after something like 140mm of rain last month. Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:40:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry for the one liner. What's a polarising lens?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi Graeme. > I drag around two SLR's a canon T70 and a canon AE1 program, I use the AE1 > most of the time with a rather good quality 28mm to 70mm zoom with a > polarising lens, the T70 I leave loaded and ready with a 70mm to 200mm > zoom, rather than stuff around changing lens I change camera's, also if I > run out of film with the AE1 (I use Fuji 100asa) I grab my T70. I have been > in positions having to change film in a hurry believe me it does not work I > usually end up with bits everywhere.I also carry two camcorders a Sony > handicam and a canon uc 4000 all video 8, the Sony is a better camera....the > battery lasts much longer. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graeme Williams > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:20 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: Canberra storms Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:05:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, A few photos up of the pre storm here in canberra, more up tommorrow. www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ (currently down) or www.geocities.com/simonstdu_2001/ Simon Angell Canberra ACT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p133-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.147.133] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:03:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Disappointing chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, After careful planning of the chase for today, I felt that the best area to go off was the Southern Tablelands/Illawarra. It was this area that took off but I had hoped storm might left move into the Camden region. Well one did but by the time I got there, it had collapsed. I saw another storm also go up to the NW of that region but it weakened before it got there. It had a nice flanking line whilst I roamed around for a good vantage point. It had pissed itself out by then. Then I settled for a break watching storms in the Illawarra, storms to the W and also the storm in the southern Hunter slowly approach with development on its SW flanking line (right mover). Then the storm to the W took off. Convergence was observed as the storm intensified with frequent lightning. I only got some of this lightning Why was it disappointing? I missed out on the storm near Nowra. There was too much middle and upper level moisture. Also the storms locally came late. It would have been great if this system had occurred over the plains. Oh well. Perhaps next time. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:41:47 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C I thought I would just let you know. JohnGaul NZ Fine Weather Society PS. for sale unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we used to ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Chase report and photos Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:07:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have put up a chase report for today with some digital photos. Unfortunately the best action happened in semi darkness, but the camera handled the low light better than I expected. http://ozthunder.com/chase/chase24.htm Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" , "Wx-Chase" , "Stormchase List" Subject: aus-wx: Vic storms on Sunday Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:22:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Well, what can I say. This season has been way above all expectations...and we've only just come into the "Official" season if you ask the QLD'ers :oP Anyway, Sunday morning, I woke and were excited with the prospects of yet more storms. The sky was covered with a beautiful cirrus shield. As the day progressed, things started to look bleak and I thought that everything had collapsed and died. Boy, were I wrong. The following Obs were from the Horsham AWS for the day from 9am - 12am: Date Time EST Temp DP RH% Pressure Rainfall 30 09:00 19.6 10.9 57 1006.7 0.0 30 09:54 21.8 10.3 48 1005.8 0.0 30 11:00 22.2 13.0 56 1005.3 0.0 30 12:00 23.6 14.9 58 1005.0 0.0 30 13:00 24.6 17.4 64 1004.2 0.0 30 14:00 24.1 13.1 50 1004.0 0.0 30 15:00 20.7 13.9 65 1004.9 0.0 30 16:00 20.1 12.6 62 1005.9 0.0 30 17:00 17.8 14.7 82 1006.4 0.6 30 18:00 16.7 15.8 94 1005.5 0.8 30 19:00 16.7 15.4 92 1004.5 0.8 30 20:00 15.2 - - 1004.9 0.8 30 21:00 17.5 14.4 82 1005.9 0.8 30 22:00 17.3 15.0 86 1006.7 0.8 30 23:00 16.0 14.9 93 1007.4 0.8 01 00:00 13.9 13.0 94 1007.3 0.8 With a Temperature and Dew Point of 24.6/17.4 at 1pm, I were sure something would happen. Then with the fall of temps, I thought it was all over for the day. I then started feeling a little ill due to my diabetes, so the guys in #stormchase on IRC told me to go offline and rest...which I must thank them for it. Instead of going and resting, I decided to go out and sit and see if anything would happen. I had probably been out for no more than 5 minutes, when to the west of town, I noticed a slight shower developing, which then dropped a CG for me. I then decided to head up to my old high school where there are much better views of the area. Upon reaching it, I set up on the edge and started filming, with a few CG's and some flashes captured on video. After this first storm had moved to the South, I heard a rumble to my right, and noticed another cell bearing down on me. I then focused on this cell, and were so glad I did, although I weren't in a good area to, as I were standing in the middle of a football oval, making me the highest object in a 50 metre radius. Filming this storm, and with the thought in the back of my head that I could be in a dangerous position, I were thinking about moving, when all of a sudden, I just seen a flash which lit the area up, and a couple of seconds, had a huge bit or thunder rumble over me. This sent me running for cover, which ended up being some trees on the edge of the oval (Not the best place to be...but I wanted to get some more CG shots). Not long after I got to this position, I had the camera trained to the NW towards the cell, and for the first time in my life, 7 lightning strokes shot directly in front of the camera, all within 2 seconds from the first to the last. (I have checked the tape in slow motion, but mine isn't slow enough, but I count about 3-4 CG's and the rest CC's). After that, and realising I only had 10 minutes of video left, and no other tapes, a quick call to mum, and I got her to bring me more tapes, which she did pretty quickly. After loading in a fresh tape, I went back to the stadium near the oval, and filmed a few more Cg's, before moving over to one of the grain sheds at the Grain Corp terminal. This gave me a better view to the East, which dropped some very nice Cg's for me, a few that I got on video. I then had cells #2 and #3 pass over me, with very little lightning, and only light rain, but the best stuff came from the back end of the 3rd cell. I zoomed in on a little prong type funnel (I'm sure it wasn't a funnel though), and just as I zoomed out completely, a CC shot straight across the sky in front of this "funnel look-alike", which, when I replayed through the video, had a real rose type colour, which looks awesome. It was not long after this, that everything moved out of my area and the lightning activity died off fairly quickly, so I decided to give Jane a call, and then headed home, where I didn't see a single flash for the rest of the night. As for the season so far, that makes it on average 4 storms in 4 weeks. 3 of them I chased while the 4th I had to watch from the ambulance as I travelled into Horsham last Sunday, but if this is an indication of what may come, I look so forward to it. PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au 30 14:00 24.1 13.1 50 NW 22 12 30 16 1004.0 0.0 30 13:00 24.6 17.4 64 N 17 9 20 11 1004.2 0.0 30 12:00 23.6 14.9 58 N 20 11 26 14 1005.0 0.0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:46:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Graeme, I run around with a Canon EOS 300 SLR with a standard 28-80mm Lens and a 75-300mm lens. But unlike Jane, I prefer the 28-80mm one. I also run around with a Sony CCD-TRV78E HI8 Handycam, as well as a Kodak DC240 digital camera with a 48mb memory card, which hold a hell of alot of pics. These are normally carried in my backpack with my diabetes stuff, as I have to carry that stuff around with me at all times. PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.94.76] From: "adele jaunn" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:46:27 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2001 13:46:27.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[A248C0D0:01C14B48] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil, Yes, and it got very COLD! brrr... Took a shot of a rainbow, which streched across North Adelaide (or at least, that's where we were viewing it from) in the afternoon. Hope it warms up again soon. Adele & Tom >From: Phil Bagust >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Adelaide anvils >Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:04:23 +0930 > >Hi all, > >Clearly some cold air aloft in Adelaide this afternoon. Nice cold air >anvils and some good scud action which I took some shots of. No hail or >thinder though. Still very damp here after something like 140mm of rain >last month. > >Phil > >Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au >- - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:58:45 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Thread-Index: AcFK/XhzxhPs9+vKRwG3HkKFafVU3gAAVUXg From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id AAA29608 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My mouth was drooling as well. Cloud cover has increased here in Kyabram and looks like something is about to happen. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Robert Goler [mailto:robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au] Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 2:34 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Hi all Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html Had my mouth drooling! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ###################################################################### Attention: This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please delete the message and notify the sender. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author. 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The village was struck many times and at least 15 strikes were within a Km of here, of course bringing ear-splitting thunder! About 5 brought instant thunder. I then had a great view of the same thing on the hills to the east as the storm moved away. I haven't seen anything so lightning-active since the genesis of the 99 Sydney hail storm in Wollongong. Interestingly, I haven't even had to chase either storm! The radar shows that the storm is embedded in an area of rain moving down from Bathurst. There are no STA/STWs current for NSW atm. Well, back to bed! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. 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Hi Graeme,

I try to always have my Canon EOS 1000 with me, which has a standard 25-80mm lens, and then have my 75-300mm lens in bubble wrap ready to go on. I also prefer the 25-80mm unless I really want to get in close to a cloud feature. My other new toy, well it belongs to BHP actually, is a Sony DSC-P50 digital camera with a 32Mb memory stick. I am still learning on it, but with mpeg capability, no sound though, and clip motion, I am hoping to very soon get some great lightning shots. I even have my fiance almost convinced to buy me one, although saving a deposit for a house is making it hard to justify spending around $1300 for a toy.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

EOM

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Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:17:13 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: Phenomonal Electric Storm: Bathurst] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 9.016am Hi all. Well what a day and night for storms in Bathurst yesterday. Bathurst had 48.6 mm from 9am yesterday. The lightning activity from all three storms we had was basically unbelievable. 1st storm was around 12.pm, that was also the 1st time everything in house was unplugged from wall (from previous experience). This storm came from the west, looked like Orange had part of this one. I noticed on radar that Parkes had another building up and was heading east towards Bx again. It was around 5pm when it arrived, the force of this one was alot higher. Rainfall was upto 70mm hr at one stage, and prob higher in some stages. Lights dimmed in my house, lightning strikes would have been 500 m from house, which basically scared the crap out of me. It was time to stand away from window, then 2 more stirkes happened in quick succession. Those poor guys in tents on the Mount. 3 rd storm happended at 1am this morning, it was time to get up again and unplug pc and modem. There was plenty of lightning in this one also, but easier to see since it was pitch black. House was lighting up from each flash. During these storms I had been listening to Country Energy's frequency with all the outages from strikes. It was going to be a very long night for all those involved. Staff from Oberon/Parkes drove to Bx to help with many power lines down, and transformers blown. Several houses had switch boards totally blown apart on Bx to Oberon Rd. Staff had been working upto 16 hrs before being told to go home. There certainly were some major outages in Bathurst District, wouldnt know just how many lines, transformers that staff had to check, many driving all night in rain trying to locate faults. Ive done this myself several years ago and its not fun. Especially with lightning around. I have to give these guys praise for staying out as long as possible and getting most power back on. Had I not been on holidays, would have been at work answering phones myself. It certainly was good to see a storm instead of being inside locked up away from all the action, (mind you answering some of the emerg calls can entail some action). Below is the rainfall from 1pm yesterday until 8am this morning. Dave Bathurst Date Time Temp DP RH HPA Rain 03 08:00 13.1 13.1 100 1013.5 48.6 03 07:00 11.3 11.3 100 1013.1 48.6 03 06:00 10.8 10.8 100--1012.5 48.6 03 05:00 10.6 10.6 100--1011.9 48.6 03 04:00 10.5 10.5 100 1011.7 48.4 03 03:00 9.9 9.9 100 1011.7 48.4 03 02:00 10.5 10.5 100--1011.9 46.2 03 01:00 10.4 10.4 100 -1012.3 46.0 03 00:00 10.3 10.3 100--1012.9 46.0 02 23:00 10.6 10.0 96 -1013.9 46.0 02 21:52 11.5 11.0 97 1014.2 46.0 02 21:00 12.1 12.1 100 1016.2 45.2 02 20:00 12.0 12.0 100 1015.5 39.8 02 19:00 12.2 12.2 100 1014.7 39.6 02 18:00 11.9 11.9 100 1015.4 39.4 02 17:00 16.9 11.8 72 1012.7 12.4 02 16:00 19.9 13.1 65 1012.2 12.4 02 15:00 20.1 13.6 66 1013.0 12.4 02 14:00 19.5 13.2 67 1014.0 12.4 02 13:00 17.4 15.2 87 1015.6 12.4 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:34:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:35:53.0631 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BE102F0:01C14BA3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok....Victoria is still under a good cold pool even with low surface temps, some of the updrafts near to the ranges are already looking good,so lets keep a look out today...regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:37:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:38:46.0488 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2E8E580:01C14BA3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John. 29c! not bad thats equal to the highest max I have recorded since last April,that would be close to the top 10% of max expected to be seen in Christchurch for this time of the year. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Gaul To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:41 PM Subject: aus-wx: Fine day > Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. > It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C > I thought I would just let you know. > > JohnGaul > NZ Fine Weather Society > > PS. for sale > unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for > storm-chasing !! > These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we don't > seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we > used to ! > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:48:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 00:49:55.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[51E1BCC0:01C14BA5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. A rather nice looking mid and upper cloud band extending from North India all the way across south central China this morning seems to be developing along the active sub tropical jet north of you location, a few storms kicking up off Hainan as well. regards Clyve Herbert. ---- Original Message ----- From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Typhoon LEKIMA. > G'day Clyve. > Yep. It looked so certain to head directly here last Monday morning that > I added to my web page the line that lets users check the current Hong > Kong Typhoon Signal status. Signal 1 is generally hoisted when the > typhoon is 800km away if there is a chance it may affect HK later. Now > it is well under 700 km away but it has wandered all over the place and > now seems to have Fujian in its sights. > Actually we have had a few high cloud bands come over here which > satellite animation shows have come directly from the typhoon, but they > are all high and light and haven't a sign of rain in them. > There's plenty of links where you can check it out at > http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm for those who may be interested. I > will not start a specific page for this storm unless the HKO hoists > signals. > > Phil > <>< > International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:25:42 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon LEKIMA. > > > Hi Phil, and fellow tropo's. > > An interesting Typhoon paddling about near Taiwan...Showing what > > appears to > > be two centres one near to the south coast of Taiwan and another off > > the > > east coast,both interconnected, the overall system however looks as if > > it > > may drift northward into the East China Sea the area over Hong Kong > > seems to > > be in a rather large 'cloud free' area indicating strong subsidence.The > > sub > > tropical jet further north seems a little weak but is interacting with > > outflow from this tropical complex. regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:16:01 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action currently happening around Wonthaggi! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:41:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 01:43:02.0410 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD37E6A0:01C14BAC] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert. Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glenn Will" To: Subject: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:03:45 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
         I've been busy at work for the last few days-so I've not had the opportunity to reply to messages.I do play golf extensively and currently working am on getting my handicap(this should be in the high teens)and will be playing this afternoon.The weather situation around kal is presently very favorable for this-clear blue skies for the next 24 hrs.with the possability of thunderstorms t/m arvo.
                                                                                         Regards,
                                                                                                      Glenn.
From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:19:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon Stormchasers, ...and that explains the thrid gender as coined by Anthony Cornelius, as in "Ladies, Gentlemen & Stormchasers..." I'm definitely of the third gender - I've got a 256km radar running, the satpic & the webcam in the background, which is as close as I will get to it till I get out or go to pick up my car from the service people (strangely I have this feeling that it may be ready earlier than 5pm so that I may need to leave a little earlier to collect it......... ) I'm definitely an inhabitant of the 'Planet of the Weather People' (storms or no storms!) Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Hi Robert. Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: FCST: NSW storms To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:38:28 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com List; NSW has not run out of ingredients yet for another round of storms. The main activity ATM is ahead of the surface trough and out to sea with plenty of lightning off the S NSW coast running all the way up into NE NSW. Most the E NSW soundings from this morning showed some CAPE, especially SSY and MOR. MOR had better flow, but less CAPE than SSY. Over the past two hours electrified convection has erupted S of West Wyalong and W of Canberra. These storms seem to be organised into two (or more) discrete lines. Despite this convection, my prime area of interest is E and NE NSW, E of a line running from Sydney - Tamworth - Moree into SE QLD. Areas with enhanced insolation will have distinct advantages today. If the current convection over SE NSW turns out to be "IT" for the day, I will, of course, put a bag over my head and admit total ignorance and lack of understanding of anything that's real and/or beautiful. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 10:40:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had four in a row. Away at a Church camp. No phone (Hallelujah!), no computers, no Internet, no e-mail, no TV, no radio, no newspapers. Just clear blue skies from one horizon to the other, the sun streaming down, low humidity, sky broken only by the occasional sight of a distant aeroplane approaching Chek Lap Kok, views across Tolo Harbour broken only by the occasional ship, and best of all time ... from 13:00 to 17:00 each day there was nothing on the program except siesta time. I really needed the break. Now today it is back to work. It's now officially the second day of Winter here (starts on the 16th day of the 8th month of the Chinese calendar) so it will be many days of clear blue skies to come. Our weather excitement here will be limited to attempting to predict surges of the Winter Monsoon which will arrive with gale-force winds, skies of even deeper blue, and humidity even lower. We occasionally get affected by typhoons out of season just for a little variety. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Goler To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:16:01 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just > one > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued > to > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention > is > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:49:42 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You Vics are spoilt rotten! Complain when you dont get anything, complain when you get too much... geez :) (jk) I saw the best lightning show last night I have seen since Jan 17, 2000 (well the first decent lightning show I have seen since then, Ive had terrible luck with lightning shows for almost 2 years.) Anyway I finished work at 8.30pm, rang Anthony and James Harris for the occasional update and headed south towards Wyong where storms were firing off lightning every few seconds. I got close to Budgewoi (sp) and went down some side road that led to southern lake Maquarie and set up the tripod and watched the storms on the other side of the lake... beautiful 20 minutes watching as one of the storms then made its way overhead and out to sea. I followed to a lookout on a cliff top and watched for a while then went home. A very satisfying night after such a dissapointing day up here in the Hunter. Good to see everyone got some action, seemed like a fantastic day if you were in sydney watching the storms to the S and SW !!! Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all. > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just one > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok....Victoria is still > under a good cold pool even with low surface temps, some of the updrafts > near to the ranges are already looking good,so lets keep a look out > today...regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:03:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeah, Clyve. I just brought up the animation of the satellite pics for the last few hours and it's definitely drifting this way. There's also a few wisps of cloud spinning about over the SCS, but nothing to get excited about. We seem to be in the clear space between them. Looking at the cloud band you mentioned, the last couple of hours of the satpics seem to make it look so thin that you can see the topography underneath showing through. Makes me think it might end up being too thin by the time it gets here to have much real weather left in it. I see the storms off Hainan, and the lightning detector here has found one half-hearted storm about 150 kms from here to the South West. Details: ==================== 1 storm detected (sensitivity = 1, min strokes = 10) distant thundershower (bearing = 233°, 0.32/min./°, energy = 174%) 4 strokes per minute 16 strokes in past 5 mins. (avg. 3.2/min.) 26 strokes in past 10 mins. (avg. 2.6/min.) 73 strokes in past 20 mins. (avg. 3.7/min.) 83 strokes in past 30 mins. (avg. 2.8/min.) 125 strokes in past 60 mins. (avg. 2.1/min.) 0 strong strokes in past 60 mins. ================ Honestly, we are entering what is typically the most boring weather time of our whole year for this next month or two. But then again, I need the break from constantly updating my web-pages. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:48:46 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Cloud Band south China. > Hi Phil. > A rather nice looking mid and upper cloud band extending from North > India > all the way across south central China this morning seems to be > developing > along the active sub tropical jet north of you location, a few storms > kicking up off Hainan as well. regards Clyve Herbert. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:51:45 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Another storm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Another massive storm with thick anvil and huge overshoot has developed to my far WNW, possibly towards singleton? Buladelah storm certainly has a supercell look to it. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:48:26 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Massive storm near Buladelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A huge storm has developed near Buladelah, isolated, big overshoots, *DROOL* absolutly brilliant stuff. Static is near constant with it, and geez it looks great from a distance. Cant chase, i start work at 3.30pm !#%!$#! at #$ Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 13:58:31 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 03:58:31.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAD35D60:01C14BBF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Glenn

Good to see another golf fanatic on the weather list.  My favorite golf weather anecdote is attributed to Lee Trevino, who during a thunderstorm, apparently held a 1 iron above his head.  Asked why he did this, he said he did it to keep lightning away, because not even God could hit a 1 iron.

>From: "Glenn Will"
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>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:03:45 +0800
>
>Hi All,
> I've been busy at work for the last few days-so I've not had the opportunity to reply to messages.I do play golf extensively and currently working am on getting my handicap(this should be in the high teens)and will be playing this afternoon.The weather situation around kal is presently very favorable for this-clear blue skies for the next 24 hrs.with the possability of thunderstorms t/m arvo.
> Regards,
> Glenn.


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X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 23:37:51 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Iain T. Johnstone" Subject: Re: aus-wx: kalgoorlie update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:58 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: >Glenn > >Good to see another golf fanatic on the weather list. My favorite golf >weather anecdote is attributed to Lee Trevino, who during a thunderstorm, >apparently held a 1 iron above his head. Asked why he did this, he said >he did it to keep lightning away, because not even God could hit a 1 iron. Hey! Not fair! I posted that one on the list a week or so ago! ;-) It's still funny the second time around I reckon. I, too, am a golfer, though I'm facing the long, bleak, non-golfing winter here in Madison. I wonder how easy it would be to play golf on a hard-pack of snow if I use fluorescent orange balls? Hey Glenn - I lived in Boulder for a while about 12 years ago. I worked for North Kal mines on their open pit. When I first got there, it was mid-summer and I was on day shift. It was bloody hot. Then I got put on night shift. It was bloody cold! (I was on top of one of the tailings dumps, where the nightime wind was usually howling). I drank a lot of beer, saved a lot of money, then went and blew it in Europe in about 1 month... Oops - got off topic there. I do remember the few times when we had big thunderstorms at Kal and it bucketed down with rain. They were great days - it was cool, not so dry, and the mine had to shut because of flooding, so I got 2 or 3 days off. I always loved going to the goldfields - there's something about them that gets in your blood. Tom Johnstone Madison, WI, USA +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:14:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 05:16:06.0982 (UTC) FILETIME=[816AC660:01C14BCA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:41:28 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from 3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift line with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do with the cell's timing and location. Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught as supercellular, which would not surprise me. I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: No Storms for Illawarra Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:38:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No Storms for Illawarra

Hi all,

Well after one of the best days for a long time yesterday, today has been a bit of a non-event. I will need to have abit more of a look around, but a fresh SW change came thorugh port Kembla around 30 minutes ago (15:00 EST) which has blown most of the cvloud cover in site away. Some decent cumulous clouds earlier during day but it is now feeling a lot less humid. Nothing of any note with the change as it came through. I hope someone is on those storms Matt Smith reported earlier.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

EOM

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X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Forecast Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:13:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 06:10:49.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[26383E00:01C14BD2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all! Nothing too exciting in the Northern Rivers yet. Had a brief heavy shower earlier which was certainly welcomed (tanks are almost dry!). There's some activity out west but something needs to develop in Qld and head down this way. We really need all the rain we can get! Latest forecast for Norther Rivers is: NORTHERN RIVERS Tonight Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Mild to warm day. Moderate to fresh north to northwest winds. I was wondering how you have a mild to warm 'day' tonight?!! =) Dave Ellem Wollongbar, Northern Rivers, NE NSW +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:08:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 07:09:43.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[609CB140:01C14BDA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. No rest today, I 'regret' to advise we here in Geelong (Leopold) have received yet another thunderstorm,this one was a little beauty (cold air) passing through at 1630hrs. Some nice cg,s, hail (<1cm) and torrential rain 9.2mm in 7.3min. This is the 4th thunderday in just over a week. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:17:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Allison and Rob, I got some shots of the Cb out behind the Dandy's yesterday at about 4 - 4:30. Then went out later to video some of the lightning to the north. Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone else saw it to. Was a most impressive display and I only hope that my photo's will do it justice. If they come out I will have them at the next meeting. All this after flying over a beautiful display of lightning at 39,000ft on Monday night to the north of Bendigo. 39,000ft and we were still 1,000ft below the top of the anvil! Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allison Cunnington" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > My mouth was drooling as well. > > Cloud cover has increased here in Kyabram and looks like something is > about to happen. > > Allison > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Goler [mailto:robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 2:34 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > > > > Hi all > > Here are some captures I took with my video camera of the sponderific Cb > to the east over the Dandenongs, just a few minutes ago: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_02/today.html > > Had my mouth drooling! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > ###################################################################### > Attention: > This e-mail message is privileged and confidential. 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Howdy Clyve. 28.8C to be exact in my Stevenson's Screen. 26 at the airport here. It came as a surprise as forecasters/forecasting models had only set the days maximum to be 16C! big difference. Bit cooler today as the easterly kicked in JohnG NZTS > >> Had a lovely fine sunny day here today in Christchurch. >> It got up to 29 degrees here although the official maximum was 26C >> I thought I would just let you know. >> >> JohnGaul >> NZ Fine Weather Society >> >> PS. for sale >> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed for >> storm-chasing !! >> These items seem to be not wanted now as because of global warming we >don't >> seem to get any forms of severe weather or possible severe weather like we >> used to ! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:22:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am so sorry to hear that you have received another storm Clyve, he says while mumbling words that cannot be repeated in a public forum. I have been watching some nice looking cloud to the west from here, but the bases are hidden from view because of the hills around Mooroolbark. The tops look good though. I hope you recover soon from your unfortunate circumstances Clyve. Best regards and sympathy (NOT) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: aus-wx: Geelong Storm. > Hi all. > No rest today, I 'regret' to advise we here in Geelong (Leopold) have > received yet another thunderstorm,this one was a little beauty (cold air) > passing through at 1630hrs. Some nice cg,s, hail (<1cm) and torrential rain > 9.2mm in 7.3min. This is the 4th thunderday in just over a week. regards > Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:38:56 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi all. >A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have >returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are >showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. Scuse my ignorance Clyve, but how do you determine cloud top heights? Is that an educated guess, or are you basing that on radar data? Cheers Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:35:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Always wanted to know too. But thought I was being ignorant if I had of asked :-) Something to do with certain cloud types only "live" at certain heights?? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Bagust" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Lightning. > >Hi all. > >A line of cool air CB's approaching Geelong from the west (1500hrs) have > >returned sporadic lightning, tops are up to 24 to 27,000 approx and are > >showing some shear to the north. Regards Clyve H. > > Scuse my ignorance Clyve, but how do you determine cloud top heights? Is > that an educated guess, or are you basing that on radar data? > > Cheers > > Phil > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:21:19 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It also does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure readings for the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can see what's happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours late) basis. During the time I've been using it I've been able to watch fronts cross the country and predict accurately their ETAs, and nowcast all sorts of conditions. It's a comprehensive way of getting up to date with the whole country's current weather in an instant. If you are interested please have a look at the screen shots etc. at the address below and if you like what you see, download it (currently BETA release) and give it a go. It's all at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler/ Feedback, of course would be welcome. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, ****** READ THE BIT ABOUT THE TORNADO!!!!!!!!! ******* What is happening down there? Clyve? Lindsay? Luke? Anyone?? NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST Top Priority Severe Thunderstorm Warning for Melbourne Metropolitan area, Geelong, Ballarine and Mornington Peninsulas and Port Phillip. Issued at 6:46pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and locally heavy rainfall are possible. [radio media to play Severe Weather News Tag Alert 4 here] The current thunderstorm warning, issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, indicates the strong probability of intense storm activity in this area. In the interest of community safety the SES suggests some simple precautions: - secure any loose objects in the vicinity of your home - stay indoors if possible - if you are outdoors, avoid sheltering under trees - listen to the radio station for storm updates - switch off computers and electrical appliances -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:57:20 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Southern Tablelands Forecast Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, I'm having serious issues with the Southern Tablelands forecast for tonight! > Tonight > Showers and isolated afternoon thunderstorms. Cool to mild. Moderate southwest winds. The minimum forecast for Goulburn is 7. It's already 6, calm and clear here in Taralga and it looks as if we're in for a big frost which is very bad news for us (post-budburst in the vineyard). We'll see what happens. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:07:49 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53, Jane ONeill hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and > locally heavy rainfall are possible. So can we say this is the BoM's first ever tornado warning????? Have they ever said anything like this before. And what's happening down there? any chasers? any damage? what F rating? sure hope it's not an F5! David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Peter Konnecke" To: Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:14:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Peter Konnecke.vcf" From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:18:01 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:21, Andrew Miskelly hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the > hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It also > does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure readings for > the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can see what's > happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours late) basis. > > During the time I've been using it I've been able to watch fronts cross > the country and predict accurately their ETAs, and nowcast all sorts of > conditions. It's a comprehensive way of getting up to date with the > whole country's current weather in an instant. > > If you are interested please have a look at the screen shots etc. at the > address below and if you like what you see, download it (currently BETA > release) and give it a go. Very Very nice. I love the fact that you have used Java because it means that us Linux users aren't left behind. Many stuff that comes out is windows only. I'd also like to encourage you to release this under the GPL so other people can contribute and help. Of course that is up to you, but whatever you do please keep up the Linux support using java. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:19:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com More..... NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central District. A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has been observed with the thunderstorm. Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the thunderstorm. The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then stay indoors until the storms have passed. This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Photo of possible supercell off South Coast Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:50:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Here is a picture taken at 1.30pm today looking S/SE at a possible supercell. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg The storm had a RED core on radar for a couple of hours. The anvil was massive and up showed well on the sat pics. You can read more info plus see at sat pic at the Weather Channel forum. http://beta.weatherzone.com.au/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum= General+Weather&number=1 Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:57:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Peter
 
You must have chased the same ground as me
 
You can read the report and see digital pics at
 
 
 
 I was at Pheasants nest around 5.30pm, and struck the storm front at Hill Top, from there I reversed and leap frogged all the way back to Picton, trying to just stay ahead of the rain.
 
As you mention lightning was intense and for the third time in my life I decided to go for the protection of the car.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 19:14
Subject: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE

Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:03:03 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! From: David Simpson To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmm I'm about the bottom of the K in St Kilda on the 128 k radar and it's only raining..... Has been for a while, the odd heavier patch, nothin too exciting Davo On 3/10/01 19:19, "Jane ONeill" wrote: > More..... > > NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > > Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice > > Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central > District. > > A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving > northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and > eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has > been observed with the thunderstorm. > Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the > thunderstorm. > > > The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, > if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then > stay indoors until the storms have passed. > > This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Canberra storms Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:07:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That is one nasty looking storm there Simon, good to see Canberra did not miss out. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 21:05 Subject: aus-wx: Canberra storms > hi all, > A few photos up of the pre storm here in canberra, more up tommorrow. > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ (currently down) or > www.geocities.com/simonstdu_2001/ > > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:01:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have two SLR cameras and exclusively use 35mm - 105mm zooms on both. 8 out of 10 weather photos are taken at the 35m end too. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Williams" To: Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 17:20 Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > Hi, > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some nice > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > Cheers, > > Graeme > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.174.169] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:04:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:04:20.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4E0CC00:01C14BF2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, The servere squall/thunderstorm warning was downgraded nto so long ago. and no further severe weather is expected. Which realistically in many respects is probably a good thing. i oculd think of better things than a tornado ripping through melbournes CBD. Michael Olsen >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:19:21 +1000 > >More..... > >NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > >Priority of Severe Thunderstorm Advice > >Issued at 6:58pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 for the Central >District. > >A severe thunderstorm over western Port Phillip Bay is moving >northeastwards at 45 km/hr and is expected to be near the city area and >eastern suburbs within the next 30 minutes to one hour. A tornado has >been observed with the thunderstorm. >Damaging winds, local flash flooding and hail are possible with the >thunderstorm. > > >The SES advises that people should keep a lookout for thunderstorms and, >if storms approach, secure loose items, move vehicles under cover, then >stay indoors until the storms have passed. > >This advice will be updated by 2100 hrs. > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Catalyst - ABC 4/10 - segment on cyclones Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:25:20 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:25:21.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4948EB0:01C14BF5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi All

Let me interrupt these exciting reports to mention a segment on ABC TV's Catalyst program tomorrow night apparently dealing with whether our northern cities's building standards will stand up to 'super cyclones'.  Sounds interesting.



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X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!! Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:44:49 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 10:44:49.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D18D0C0:01C14BF8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

The existence of this list and others like it have contributed to an increased awareness, that has in turn, made the issue of a tornado warning more likely.

>From: David Findlay
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM ISSUES TORNADO WARNING!!!!
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:07:49 +1000
>
>On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:53, Jane ONeill hit her keyboard with her head and the
>result was this:
> > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the
> > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at
> > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and
> > locally heavy rainfall are possible.
>
>So can we say this is the BoM's first ever tornado warning?????
>
>Have they ever said anything like this before. And what's happening down
>there? any chasers? any damage? what F rating? sure hope it's not an F5!
>
>David
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From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:56:16 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:04, Michael Olsen hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > hey, > > The servere squall/thunderstorm warning was downgraded nto so long ago. and > no further severe weather is expected. Which realistically in many respects > is probably a good thing. i oculd think of better things than a tornado > ripping through melbournes CBD. Were any chasers near there? Was there any damage? Who "observed" the tornado? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. Regards to all, Lindsay Smail. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:29:36 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format please? Pretty, pretty please? Thanks David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: hey Clyve! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:48:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What the hell is going on down there Mate!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 21:44:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Go Clyve!!! Your area. Sounds pretty wild! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tornado in Victoria!!!!!!! > Evening all, > > ****** READ THE BIT ABOUT THE TORNADO!!!!!!!!! ******* > > What is happening down there? Clyve? Lindsay? Luke? Anyone?? > > > > NEWS FLASH - FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST > > Top Priority > Severe Thunderstorm Warning > > for Melbourne Metropolitan area, Geelong, Ballarine and Mornington > Peninsulas and Port Phillip. > > Issued at 6:46pm on Wednesday the 3rd of October 2001 > > A severe thunderstorm with a tornado has been reported over the > Ballarine Peninsula east of Geelong and is expected to move northeast at > 45 km/h towards the city area in the next half hour. Damaging winds and > locally heavy rainfall are possible. > > [radio media to play Severe Weather News Tag Alert 4 here] > > The current thunderstorm warning, issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, > indicates the strong probability of intense storm activity in this area. > > In the interest of community safety the SES suggests some simple > precautions: > - secure any loose objects in the vicinity of your home > - stay indoors if possible > - if you are outdoors, avoid sheltering under trees > - listen to the radio station for storm updates > - switch off computers and electrical appliances > > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:30:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 12:31:20.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[4E3EDFF0:01C14C07] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David. The video footage was taken on video 8 using a basic sony handicam, I have no video capture device, however the local newspaper managed to convert some of the frames for possible publication and I will try to obtain these and send them to the list, I will show the video at the next Victorian ASWA meeting in November. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Findlay To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > please? > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > Thanks > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:25:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 12:27:00.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[B36092D0:01C14C06] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx 1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By 1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted about 3 minutes. The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:30:46 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Be patient David He may not have the resources to put video onto computer (many of us dont) Im sure when Clyve is ready he will tell us all what happened. Matt Smith David Findlay wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > the result was this: > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > please? > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > Thanks > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 22:33:12 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell and Clyve's tornado! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald an everyone. The storm was about 50km or so from my location, and at its best I was driving through newcastle trying to get to the beach amongst thousands of cars and traffic that had come to town for the Knights ticketape parade. Made it to a lookout and watched, I have a number of photographs and some video, the storm looked somewhat similar to this image: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg I do have doubts now as to if it was a supercell... updraughts went up and moved east, and other updraughts went up in the same place, very multicellular... but occasionally a huge massive updraught would dominate and overshoot, and stay there, and last for 20 minutes or so boiling away... Sometimes we just need radar to verify I guess. No rotation was observed (50km away remember), I thought I saw a lowering at one stage, but dismissed it as I was looking north towards the southern side of the storm, not the northern side. I do have about 10 photographs and a couple of minutes of video. When I finish the roll and get them scanned you can make up your own mind Harald. Onto this tornado that Clyve filmed. Congratulations on a great catch, you will remember this day for the rest of your life (Like myself and the Nov 3 event) Lets hope we all bag one or 2 on the upcomming TDU ! Matthew Smith Harald Richter wrote: > Well, > > The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity > core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle > and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show > all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent > updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from > 3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > > The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift line > with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C > around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level > cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do > with the cell's timing and location. > > Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught > as supercellular, which would not surprise me. > I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone > on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > > Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) > Harald > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 22:53:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Excellent stuff Clyve !!!! Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > Hi David. > The video footage was taken on video 8 using a basic sony handicam, I have > no video capture device, however the local newspaper managed to convert some > of the frames for possible publication and I will try to obtain these and > send them to the list, I will show the video at the next Victorian ASWA > meeting in November. regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Findlay > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > > the result was this: > > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive > downbursts > > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on > your > > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) > format > > please? > > > > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:00:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 13:01:12.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A53D470:01C14C0B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt. Look forward to seeing you at some stage I still think your footage of the Sydney supercell is one of the best I have seen. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Smith To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 10:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado > Be patient David > He may not have the resources to put video onto computer (many of us dont) > Im sure when Clyve is ready he will tell us all what happened. > > Matt Smith > > David Findlay wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 20:59, Lindsay Smail hit his keyboard with his head and > > the result was this: > > > I've just been watching beautifully videoed footage of a fair dinkum > > > tornado by Clyve Herbert. Forming around 6.10 pm after massive downbursts > > > just north of Leopold in farm paddocks (about 12 km due east of Geelong > > > CBD) the creature rotated its way northeastwards and seemed to dissipate > > > over Corio Bay just east of the Sands Caravan Park (old Melways 232 H4) > > > around 6.30 pm. No reports of damage yet. Talk about being in the right > > > place at the right time! Why go to Qld when you can have one right on your > > > doorstep? More later, and I'll leave Clyve to fill in the details. > > > > Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) format > > please? > > > > > > Pretty, pretty please? > > > > Thanks > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hey Clyve! Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 23:36:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2001 13:37:57.0628 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CC2BBC0:01C14C10] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie. Nice to here from you, well apart from frogs we have also had a plague of caterpillars over the last two days, also I looked out across the paddock this morning and there were hundreds of crows!!...all feeding on the caterpillars!,what next I thought,then along comes this bloody tornado and me with a crook camcorder thank goodness I got it to work.best wishes Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: weather list Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: aus-wx: hey Clyve! > What the hell is going on down there Mate!! > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harold, Matt and all, Yes. We were onto this storm system. We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was not that spectacular at that stage. So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the road). When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have seen this season. The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid rate. Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but the rotation was definitely cyclonic. So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any judgements. Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I suppose). To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. Jimmy Deguara At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Well, > >The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large reflectivity >core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle >and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show >all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent >updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from >3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > >The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift >line >with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C >around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level >cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do >with the cell's timing and location. > >Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught >as supercellular, which would not surprise me. >I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone >on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > >Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) >Harald > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:03:15 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: SYDNEY STORM CHASE - MY FIRST ONE Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Pete,

Excellent first chase description. This will always be an eventful chase in your career - nicknamed the "maiden chase". Well storm chase I suppose - you did do a snow chase earlier in August?

Well done anyway. You should come along to NSW ASWA meetings and discuss these chases and show photographs for all concerned.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:14 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote:
Hi all,
 
This is my very first report on my very first chase, and what an absolute beauty it was. Please forgive the lack of technical terminology
in this one - I'm still learning.
 
I headed off yesterday late afternoon down the F5 / Hume Highway towards Mittagong. I was escorted all the way a omninous looking black clouds
all the way down until I got to Mittagong at approx 5:30pm. Then all hell broke loose with heavy rain, pea size hail (washing away in the rain)
and lots of flashes. At the time I was happy to drive on, when the sky in front of me lit up with the longest bolt I've ever seen ! It stretched half
way across the sky. This made me a bit nervous thinking of what was to come. All this happened at the rise in the mountains just to the north of
Mittagong township. It grew very dark very quickly.
 
I continued on to the F5 Hume / Illawarra interchange being constantly bombarded with heavy rain and many strong bolts touching down. After a dinner
break at the travellers friend (the Golden Arches) I started to head home and thought of heading back through the Illararra region. Lucky I didnt because
by the looks of it the folks over that way got hammered.
 
I'm glad I went back up the Hume. All the way it got more intense and at one stage I had to pull over as the flashes were so bright and CLOSE oh so
CLOSE. I think I saw one hit the trees just over a hill and then another on the freeway itself.
 
I made another stop at Pheasant's Nest where many cars and trucks were stopped. The power went out at the Service Station about 15 minutes before
I got there which was about the time I saw the hit on the freeway. A truck drier was stranded there because he had just made it into the servo to fill with
diesel when the power went out. No power no pumps. Some other drivers I spoke to said they also saw the hit's on or near the freeway.
 
Anyway ... thats it .... geez I had fun .... a bit scary though.
 
 
Pete

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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:21:11 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell and Clyve's tornado! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg Read my comments with regards to the multicellular behaviour of the supercell system. Not that I am an expert of course - just my thoughts. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p190-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.190] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:18:19 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well done Clyve, Not only was there a warning which is what came through on an SMS, but you have it on video. Excellent stuff. You certainly deserve it Clyve with your years of experience and extensive knowledge. I certainly know how you feel Clyve. One tornado in Australia is worth heeps in the US - similar statement made by Harold!!! I cannot wait to see it. I suppose Thunder Down Under!!! Yes a couple of captures will come handy for those on the list. I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. Once again, well done Clyve. Jimmy Deguara At 10:25 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the >shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from >southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north >east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from >the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing >updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 >the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong >updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation >rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just >north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx >1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to >move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By >1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched >down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and >persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and >finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall >cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another >smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted >about 3 minutes. >The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its >most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an >almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to >be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was >activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel >like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have >coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked >the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were >not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To >have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this >only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond >description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve >Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:20:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:37:17 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:20, Robert Goler hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tina Jones" To: Subject: aus-wx: Congratulations Clyve Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:34:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks for putting the link up Robert, all I can say is WOW! Well done Clyve. It's a great shot & for once it sounds like a newspaper actually got it right! Cheers Tina :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:59:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What more can I say? Other than I haven't even seen a funnel yet! Bugger. Well done Clyve, excellent stuff!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:05:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CONGRATULATIONS Clyve - what an amazing thing to have happen in 'your own backyard' & to video it too!!!!! Heard you on the radio this morning on 3AW & Rod Aikman also heard you on StarFM in Bendigo. And David, I wouldn't doubt Clyve's word - he knows **exactly** what he saw. It doesn't look anything like either a wall cloud or a gust front. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p43-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.235] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:02:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Rpbert and Clyve, That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to the ground. Very nice. Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. Jimmy Deguara At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >School of Mathematical Sciences >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >ph. +61 3 9905 4424 >email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:21:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ok, I see what you mean David ....... are you asking what part of the cloud you can see at the top of the image? Better ask Clyve. Jane Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust front myself. Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:19:17 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, Thanks for pasting this link! WOW - that's awesome!!! Once again congratulations Clyve, great stuff! An interesting situation setup wise too, I'll be digging up a few things on it. AC Robert Goler wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:18:06 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There will be a description of these three genders released in the near future (when I get motivated to do one...) AC Jane ONeill wrote: > > Afternoon Stormchasers, > > ...and that explains the thrid gender as coined by Anthony Cornelius, as in > > "Ladies, Gentlemen & Stormchasers..." > > I'm definitely of the third gender - I've got a 256km radar running, the > satpic & the webcam in the background, which is as close as I will get to it > till I get out or go to pick up my car from the service people (strangely I > have this feeling that it may be ready earlier than 5pm so that I may need > to leave a little earlier to collect it......... ) > > I'm definitely an inhabitant of the 'Planet of the Weather People' (storms > or no storms!) > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > Hi Robert. > Welcome to the planet of Weather People!!!!...regards Clyve H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Goler > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 11:16 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic...unstable... > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > > > > > Its getting to that stage when I need a rest from storm watching just > one > > > day will do, then another week of good stuff will be ok > > > > Yeah, I hear you Clyve. I can't even get any work done since I'm glued to > > the windows checking out all the action. This morning there was a nice > > SW-NE (from my perspective, as sat pic showed it NW-SE!) line of > > congesting Cu over the western side of Melbourne, and now my attention is > > on the Cjs down south. Tony Middleton would be loving the action > > currently happening around Wonthaggi! > > > > > > Cheers > > > > -- > > > > Robert A. Goler > > > > School of Mathematical Sciences > > Monash University > > Clayton, Vic 3800 > > Australia > > > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:43:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve & Anthony, I've dug up the following already: webcams - Melbourne, St Kilda, Sandringham Victorian IR & WV 1830AEST Victorian visible 1530AEST CSIRO image Victoria & NSW for the afternoon Melbourne soundings 0Z & 12Z radar 1820 - 1850AEST Jane Hi Robert, Thanks for pasting this link! WOW - that's awesome!!! Once again congratulations Clyve, great stuff! An interesting situation setup wise too, I'll be digging up a few things on it. AC Robert Goler wrote: > > Hi all > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:47:59 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 09:21, Jane ONeill hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > ok, I see what you mean David ....... are you asking what part of the > cloud you can see at the top of the image? Yeah. I'm just trying to make sure I've identified it properly. I don't doubt Clyve at all. :-) David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.0.101.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:34:51 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 00:34:51.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[6160D740:01C14C6C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Victorian tornado Phenomenon continues!!. Unbelievable!! Great stuff Clyve - there have been many excellent wall clouds and 'possible' funnels captured over the last few years, but we are almost always left wondering whether there was a tornado somewhere 'in amongst it' - but there can be no doubts about this one! Really looking forward to the post-analysis. What with this, Paraparap, Sunbury et al why are u Vics heading north on TDU :D D _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:40:51 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just saw Clyve's video on channel 7 morning news in Sydney... keep an eye out you will probably see it tonight. Brilliant stuff Clyve!!! It looked big behind that building !!!! very nice indeed. Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:58:19 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Tom Johnstone Subject: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anyone noticed the circulation centre in the Indian ocean: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/jtgio_ir2.jpg And the JTWC advisory: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt Maybe something going to happen? Tom Johnstone Madison, WI +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tornado Leopold. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:21:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 01:22:22.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[049099E0:01C14C73] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. My phone wrang at 0513 this morning and never stopped, by 0720 there were huge cameras and tripods in the street and about 15 people on the front lawn, it all seemed a bit sureal. Apart from the local paper(Geelong Advertiser) there didnt seem to much interest last night in a tornado event. All interviews went well however and hopefully the news will present a ballanced report tonight and through the day, Im heading for Trentham to do a bit of gem hunting best wishes Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:45:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 01:45:19.0835 (UTC) FILETIME=[398B0AB0:01C14C76] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone. First of all, big congrats to Clyve for catching the beast! In in your own backyard too. Lucky boy! Secondly, congrats to the BoM, for their (I think) first ever tornado warning. Ok, on to the topic. One thing that has annoyed me over the years is the lack of warnings that are broadcast to the public over radio and TV. Radio and TV stations seem to ignore STA's, and now even tornado warnings!!!!! Yesterday's event is a prime example of how bad this is. We had the potential for lives to be lost had the tornado entered a populated area, yet I heard nothing of the warning on the radio or TV. It was only when I looked on the internet that I found out. Isn't that the idea of warnings????? To tell the general public about potential danger?????? It was last time I checked. The only radio station I know of, besides a few on the AM band, that gives out warnings, is Plenty Valley FM, a comunity radio station. What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Sorry for the big whinge people. Any thoughts? Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:56:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy. Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as the early 1980's. John. >snip... >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > >Once again, well done Clyve. > >Jimmy Deguara +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45:07 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's amazing what great images can do. I was giving my first year computer laboratory today and while going through some lecture material and worksheets, all the students weren't all that interested (as per normal). Then some of the work briefly mentioned thunderstorms and tornadoes, and that's when I showed them Clyve's tornado footage and the lightning footage of mine and Macca's from the weekend. It's like everyone suddenly woke up and you could see everyone going 'Whoa, look at that!' and actually getting excited about the weather. Unfortunately, I didn't have Clyve's image for my other lab on Tuesday, but they all loved the lightning shots. Their next piece of work involves them designed a poster in groups about some aspect of the weather. About 80% of the groups are now doing it on storms!! Oh, and I did give ASWA a plug to, and recommended them to the various aussie weather websites out there. And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft" Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening before his eyes! Anyway, that's off my chest, and apologies for perhaps making a mountain out of a molehill, but hey, I thought it needed to be said. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jimmy Deguara wrote: > Hi Robert and Clyve, > > That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed > in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to > the ground. Very nice. > > Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. > > At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi all > > > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:19:33 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45, Liam Domanski hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen > to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Why not ask them? A while ago the local station 4KQ asked people to give comments on their coverage of emergencies. So why not give your local station a ring and ask them to carry these, especially when they contain tornado warnings. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p43-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.235] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:20:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, Thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't quite sure but I know Paul Graham mentioned something along those lines but for Canberra. In light of what you said, I don't know what the fuss was about in January when we questioned why a warning was not issued for the Sydney tornado - particularly since we had Doppler radar and world experts in Sydney who knew what was going on. But great to see the Bureau issue a tornado warning nevertheless. Jimmy Deguara At 11:56 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. > >Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao >warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as >the early 1980's. > >John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:33:02 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 11:45, Robert Goler hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely > fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I > would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) > David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, > thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it > is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if > you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: > > "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent > updraft" Yeah thanks, that tells me a lot. I was just wondering what exactly was being shown. > Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and > there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to > judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening > before his eyes! Where did I question what he saw? I'm just trying to learn exactly what is being shown in the picture. Can't anyone ask a question around here? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:32:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. Thoughts anyone? John. >snip Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:47:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, I still think however that there is a general reluctance to use the word in the interests of not alarming the general populace. Those of us with cynical view would suggest that it is done deliberately to keep tourists comfortable... I guess for storms where there has been a tornado observed there is little room for speculation. The warning I recall from the early 80's included the words 'large hail and possible tornadoes' and was broadacst on all media. As it happens none eventuated other than an unconfirmed report from Mt. Nebo. I seem to remember Jeff Callaghan from the QLD BoM mentioning at an ASWA meeting that tornado warnings have sometimes been issued - but they are very rare. You would think that with the number of awesomely severe storms we experience and increasing number of tornadoes now being reported - that perhaps it is time for some revised wording rather than just 'strong winds'. Regards, John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:21 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Hi John, Thanks for the confirmation. I wasn't quite sure but I know Paul Graham mentioned something along those lines but for Canberra. In light of what you said, I don't know what the fuss was about in January when we questioned why a warning was not issued for the Sydney tornado - particularly since we had Doppler radar and world experts in Sydney who knew what was going on. But great to see the Bureau issue a tornado warning nevertheless. Jimmy Deguara At 11:56 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. > >Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao >warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as >the early 1980's. > >John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:00:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, I think the question as to where the tornado and updraft was in relation to the overall storm structure and movement is a really good one, and I am really looking forward to the analysis. Was it a classical Supercell situation or something else? I am not talking about Gustnado's but a far more elusive beast associated with frontal activity. MAYBE THIS IS IT!!!! The first capture of a real live "coldie"????? That is why I think the analysis will be good and why this footage is perhaps so valuable. Clyve I would love to hear your views on this. Farking awesome pic too. John. >snip And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent updraft" Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening before his eyes! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:04:49 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Folks: It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. Congrats on your catch, ol' man! (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity pattern IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped tornadic storm has ever been documented) (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW around 500 hPa. (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the 11 UTC MML sounding. (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of info available operationally). If you have some extra insights, please let me know. Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:20:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Terminology - Supercells / Tornado Warnings To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:29:03 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John W. wrote: > ... I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. ..... > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. Quite often we don't have sufficient evidence to identify an updraught as a supercell. I agree with your example, from the image alone I can't tell to what degree the convection is supercellular. This updraught could have collapsed 10 minutes later, or formed a backsheared anvil and overshooting top the same 10 minutes later. Convincing evidence is usually based on the co-occurence of various more ambiguous features, e.g. overshooting top + updraught longevity + minor corkscrew appearance of the updraught, but it can also be based on a single less ambiguous feature (e.g. 12 cm hail or roaring 1 hour F5 tornado). John W. also wrote: > I still think however that there is a general reluctance to use the word [TORNADO] in > the interests of not alarming the general populace. Those of us with > cynical view would suggest that it is done deliberately to keep tourists > comfortable... A tornado warning that means anything requires some pretty good evidence that the (imminent) occurence of a tornado is likely. You can warn on a radar-indicated tornado (mid-level velocity couplet that persists for several volume scans, unique reflectivity features such as the BWER) or __reliable__ spotter reports (spotter indicates _convincingly_ that a wall cloud is spinning like a top). Clyve just demonstrated how a reliable spotter report can be converted into an official warning. From what I have seen of our mostly non-Doppler radar network, you got to have a pretty big strong storm pretty close to the radar to issue a "reflectivity-based" TOR. It's a gutsy call. With more Doppler capability (and good dealiasing algorithms etc.) forecasters could issue TORs more confidently. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lindsay Smail" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:30:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dean - I have a link at http://users.pipeline.com.au/gws/ Lindsay Smail -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Dean McWhinney Sent: Thursday, 4 October 2001 1:21 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:52:57 +1000 From: Greg Browning X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Upper-level charts request X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 02:53:22.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[BAB8DF00:01C14C7F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Hope most people have been getting their fair share of action lately. Here in the S.E. suburbs of Melbourne we had a nice little lightning show Tuesday night, but it looked like the best of it remained to the north and south. Had reports of power outages and severe winds in the Warragul region (about 100k's east of my location), but it was all gareden-variety stuff in the suburbs. I also have a request to make in regard to the aquisition of several upper-level analysis charts. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could either supply or tell me how to obtain the following charts: MSLP/Thickness, 700, 500hPa analysis(LAPS) for 00UTC 01/9/01 & 250hPa for 00UTC 01/9 and 02/9/01. Thanks in advance Greg Browning Mulgrave, Vic PS Great work, Clyve. If anyone deserved to have a 'nader land in their backyard, it was certainly you (I mean that in the nicest possible way!!) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Wx warnings and radio/TV Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:16:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Liam, I did hear the warning played on FM104.9 last night & that was a first for me - I've never heard it before...... and they read the whole thing including the tornado sighting. Jane Hi everyone. First of all, big congrats to Clyve for catching the beast! In in your own backyard too. Lucky boy! Secondly, congrats to the BoM, for their (I think) first ever tornado warning. Ok, on to the topic. One thing that has annoyed me over the years is the lack of warnings that are broadcast to the public over radio and TV. Radio and TV stations seem to ignore STA's, and now even tornado warnings!!!!! Yesterday's event is a prime example of how bad this is. We had the potential for lives to be lost had the tornado entered a populated area, yet I heard nothing of the warning on the radio or TV. It was only when I looked on the internet that I found out. Isn't that the idea of warnings????? To tell the general public about potential danger?????? It was last time I checked. The only radio station I know of, besides a few on the AM band, that gives out warnings, is Plenty Valley FM, a comunity radio station. What about the commercial stations? The majority of people seem to listen to them, so they should be broadcasting these warnings. Sorry for the big whinge people. Any thoughts? Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:02:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dean, If you want all of the info available including links on this event go to the MSC Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page for October at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/oct01.htm Jane Can i have the URL for the pic please i missed it i deleted the post by acciedent :(! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.109.250.95] From: "Shannon Symons" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:33:02 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 04:33:02.0822 (UTC) FILETIME=[A78D0060:01C14C8D] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, I was with Jimmy and Tim on the chase yesterday and just wanted to share a few of my thoughts. Yesterday was my second ever storm chase, having had my 'maiden chase' earlier in the year with Jimmy. I guess what id like to share today is not so much the technical side of what i saw (as I am only just getting used to it) but a few feelings I felt on the day from a 'newcomers' point of view. I had many highlights - most of the time I was simply in awe of what I was viewing. I am sure Jimmy was concerned about whether or not I was enjoying myself, due to my lack of talking! The truth is, I could not speak. What I was viewing simply took my breath away. At the end of the chase, sitting on the beach at Hallidays Point with Jimmy and Tim, I had great pleasure in recapping the days events in view of a beautiful roll cloud that I could not take my eyes off. It was a perfect end to the day but it did not stop there. Whilst we were driving back home, we were accompanied by a spectacular lightening show off the coast as we travelled south. Yesterday, for me, was a perfect example of why I love storm chasing. The day started, and never stopped, with an atmosphere of pure adrenalin, excitement and anticipation. I viewed and learnt about storm structures that could not be descibed in a textbook, got to see towns and areas I had never seen before, met new people, and the whole time knowing that I was sharing the experience with two people who hold the same passion and interest in the weather as I do. Thankyou to Jimmy and Tim for a great day!! Shannon >From: Jimmy Deguara >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 > >Hi Harold, Matt and all, > >Yes. We were onto this storm system. > >We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining >W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of >the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. >However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew >behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was >not that spectacular at that stage. > >So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and >then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm >had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil >right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the >road). > >When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to >organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge >began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This >developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have >seen this season. > >The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At >Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the >precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid >rate. > >Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region >with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 >degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but >the rotation was definitely cyclonic. > >So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road >options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly >veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area >with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to >Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but >more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and >probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse >like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught >and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I >suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any >judgements. > >Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. >The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite >interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I >suppose). > >To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop >still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. >To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a >cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. > >Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. > >Jimmy Deguara >At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >>Well, >> >>The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large >>reflectivity >>core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle >>and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show >>all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent >>updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from >>3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. >> >>The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift >>line >>with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C >>around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level >>cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do >>with the cell's timing and location. >> >>Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught >>as supercellular, which would not surprise me. >>I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone >>on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? >> >>Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) >>Harald >> >>-- >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Harald Richter >>BMRC >>PO Box 1289K >>Melbourne VIC 3001 >>Australia >>ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >>fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >>email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >>url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:23:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous

Hi all,

Firstly, congratulations to you Clyve and I'm looking forward to getting on the net this afternoon to check out the whole story. Your work in providing analysis and updates on the weather list is invaluable for us weather amateurs. Keep up the work and may you catch many more tornadoes in your chases.

The situation in the Illawarra from lunchtime at least has been interesting. The winds have swung around to the N-NE from SW this morning. Temps are not all that high, but we have plenty of cumulous developing. Most of it is reasonable high based, although some gruntier stuff has really good hard and lower bases. All but the lower level winds seem to be from the SW still though which is putting a good lean to some of the towers. They are hitting a good cap, although a few are breaking through to give an anvil, and then precipitation.

Looking south, there seems to be some high cirrus probably down Canberra way, which looks to be the edge of anvils. Is there some more unsettled weather happening down that way? Given the right combination we just might get a small amount of lightning later, but we'll have to see. It's not too exciting given the events of the last few days, but still a bonus compared to getting nothing.

Andrew Godsman

EOM

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From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:43:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous
Andrew  & all,
 
Keep an eye out !! - the small localised low pressure cuirculation that wandered NE from Cape Otway, across the Bellarine Peninsula (and we know what happened there...) & up through Melbourne overnight (giving some lucky suburbs 15 - 20mm rain) is actually in your area atm.
 
Keep watching!!
 
Jane ONeill


Hi all,

Firstly, congratulations to you Clyve and I'm looking forward to getting on the net this afternoon to check out the whole story. Your work in providing analysis and updates on the weather list is invaluable for us weather amateurs. Keep up the work and may you catch many more tornadoes in your chases.

The situation in the Illawarra from lunchtime at least has been interesting. The winds have swung around to the N-NE from SW this morning. Temps are not all that high, but we have plenty of cumulous developing. Most of it is reasonable high based, although some gruntier stuff has really good hard and lower bases. All but the lower level winds seem to be from the SW still though which is putting a good lean to some of the towers. They are hitting a good cap, although a few are breaking through to give an anvil, and then precipitation.

Looking south, there seems to be some high cirrus probably down Canberra way, which looks to be the edge of anvils. Is there some more unsettled weather happening down that way? Given the right combination we just might get a small amount of lightning later, but we'll have to see. It's not too exciting given the events of the last few days, but still a bonus compared to getting nothing.

Andrew Godsman

EOM

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X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:12:59 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 06:13:00.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E4294D0:01C14C9B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well Done Clyve. Nice pic ot the trunk too, looked similar to the one I saw here in ballarat a year or so ago. I love spring, all ya need is a little moisture, lots of sun and pow up go the Cu and Cj's :) Lots of Cjs here atm with one nice quick but large droped shower cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) >Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:04:49 +1000 (EST) > > >Folks: > >It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own >backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. >Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, >hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. >Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > >(1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel >is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the >background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the >foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, >i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > >(2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km >AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the >northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with >Clyve's TOR) > >The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity >pattern > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely >low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > >(3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface >trough/wind shift >line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the >wind >direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably >crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > >(4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture >quickly >dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to >~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, >and >20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding >had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running >into >the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up >considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW >around 500 hPa. > > >(5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 >UTC >MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the >back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt >mid-level >flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the >11 UTC MML sounding. > > >(6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of >Leopold >between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow >to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This >also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each >other. > > >(7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a >disconnected >line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to >Ballarat >to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected >"useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary >mentioned above. > > >My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse >rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the >NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination >led >to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in >a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity >to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > >Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) >is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven >wrong on >this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made >this >overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic >are >tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates >at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). >I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around >1810 LT, >and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level >of >info available operationally). > > >If you have some extra insights, please let me know. >Harald > > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:03:41 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, That cell Michael Bath got had not only a classic supercell structure in its dissipating stage - it also had inflow bands - can be seen and also had a classic wall cloud structure and in the video of it one can just make a funnel/tornado. Is that sufficient evidence? I suppose you then have to ask Michael what he saw off Ballina that afternoon. Definitely not squall line oriented by the style of storms that occurred that day. I do recall Michael receiving an e-mail from the US suggesting that it was a supercell only to find with astonishment that it was over the ocean.... I hope this helps. Jimmy Deguara At 12:32 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general >education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the >word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear >quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately >labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > >By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there >of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely >hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe >having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > >Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My >understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell >with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I >read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that >only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > >Thoughts anyone? > >John. > >snip > >Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > >At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:23:17 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need to supply this photo as an example http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point Michael Bath would need to take it on. What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar availability I suppose. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:32:26 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com CC: paul.miskelly at ansto.gov.au Subject: aus-wx: Sleet: Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All, We had a 20-30 minute fall of sleet here in Taralga from about 6PM with big wet flakes easily spotted on SW facing widows. The ground temp got down to 5.8 during the fall making a cold start for potential frost overnight. The snow line has been visible in a nuber of nearby showers this afternoon, falling from cold-air CBs like those spotted by Andrew G. in Wollongong no doubt. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Lesiow" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:42:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous
Just now looks like some small cells have developed, up here at Gosford just had a heavy shower and some thunder, on radar looks like some cells are round Sydney, a larger one near the airport. 
 
Sydney Metropolitan: For Tonight and Friday  
A few showers and thunderstorms tonight. Fine and mostly sunny
Friday.  Mild. 
Light to moderate southwest to southeast winds.
 
Paul
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Illawarra Cumulous

Andrew  & all,
 
Keep an eye out !! - the small localised low pressure cuirculation that wandered NE from Cape Otway, across the Bellarine Peninsula (and we know what happened there...) & up through Melbourne overnight (giving some lucky suburbs 15 - 20mm rain) is actually in your area atm.
 
Keep watching!!
 
Jane ONeill
From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:30:19 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge a book by its cover. It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for storm news when its done. Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? Hi all, Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need to supply this photo as an example http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point Michael Bath would need to take it on. What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar availability I suppose. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: Help Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:52:18 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Illawarra Cumulous

OK all the gurus out there.

I am planning a chase on Saturday. After looking at the models, it is hard to determine where to go. BOM have predicted afternoon storm inland for Darwin area, but looking at LI, CAPE and PRECIP it 'seems' to indicate an area around Mango Farm / Port Keats. Anyone got any suggestions?

For those AVN buffs:

Custom: Long 129 Width 5 Lat - 16 Height 6.

Opinions pliz.

Paul.

 

X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p347-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.93] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 19:18:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is about. Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct overshoot than multicells. On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some seasons you get more than normal. By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell characteristics. I hope this clarifies my points. Jimmy Deguara At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge >a book by its cover. > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for >storm news when its done. > >Paul. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > >Hi all, > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need >to supply this photo as an example > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar >availability I suppose. > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 20:05:48 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello clyve! 03 Oct 01 22:25, you wrote to All: ch> kilometres in the hunt for something like this only to have a tornado ch> drop almost into your back yard is beyond description, I hope you are ch> also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve Herbert. I have come close myself. Pity it was about 20 years ago, and I didn't know what to look for or what had happened until after the event. Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 20:03:37 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Leopold Tornado Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello David! 03 Oct 01 21:29, you wrote to All: DF> Can you please post at least a sample of this video online in DivX ;-) DF> format please? I saw some of the video on the channel 9 news tonight - and I haven't heard the "m" word at all with this one. :) Tony, VK3JED .. a manual? -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 19:58:01 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Wx Program Available Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Andrew! 03 Oct 01 18:21, you wrote to All: AM> Since earlier this year I have been writing a program that grabs the AM> hourly AWS observations from the BoM and plots them graphically. It AM> also does a few other things like interpolating the air pressure AM> readings for the country and generating a 'synoptic chart' so you can AM> see what's happening on an hourly (rather than 6 hourly and two hours AM> late) basis. Sounds well worth checking out. :) AM> It's all at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler/ AM> AM> Feedback, of course would be welcome. I'll give it a whirl, just about to download now. Tony, VK3JED .. e in a maze of twisty messages, all alike. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 04 Oct 01 19:50:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello John! 02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: JG> JohnGaul JG> NZ Fine Weather Society ;-) JG> PS. for sale JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) Tony, VK3JED .. ection = Infection -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a question. Every day is a learning day :-) As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do with cooler air getting sucked in? All I can tell about today was it was quite cool at Dartmouth dam with some very light rain. Murphy's law. Bussie in the ranges, nothing will happen.......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Goler" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:45 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > > It's amazing what great images can do. > > I was giving my first year computer laboratory today and while going > through some lecture material and worksheets, all the students weren't all > that interested (as per normal). Then some of the work briefly mentioned > thunderstorms and tornadoes, and that's when I showed them Clyve's tornado > footage and the lightning footage of mine and Macca's from the weekend. > It's like everyone suddenly woke up and you could see everyone going > 'Whoa, look at that!' and actually getting excited about the weather. > Unfortunately, I didn't have Clyve's image for my other lab on Tuesday, > but they all loved the lightning shots. Their next piece of work involves > them designed a poster in groups about some aspect of the weather. About > 80% of the groups are now doing it on storms!! > > Oh, and I did give ASWA a plug to, and recommended them to the various > aussie weather websites out there. > > And I must admit that an earlier post by David Findlay had me absolutely > fuming. Luckily I didn't send an email there and then as I'm sure I > would've broken the record for the most swear words in a sentence :-) > David concluded that he thought the tornado was coming from a gust front, > thus implying that it was a gustnado. Now, admittedly from that shot it > is hard to distinctly tell if it's a wall cloud or a gust front, but if > you had READ Clyve's earlier report that he emailed to the list, he says: > > "the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and persistent > updraft" > > Now Clyve is one of the most experienced weather watches on this list, and > there is NO way I would be questioning what he saw, especially trying to > judge it on one small image when Clyve saw the whole thing happening > before his eyes! > > Anyway, that's off my chest, and apologies for perhaps making a mountain > out of a molehill, but hey, I thought it needed to be said. > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > Hi Robert and Clyve, > > > > That represents the best formed tornado in the Australian region observed > > in recent years in my opinion. It is a clear funnel observed all the way to > > the ground. Very nice. > > > > Well done Clyve. Sweet that it was in your backyard. Nice article too. > > > > At 08:20 AM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Hi all > > > > > >I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > > > >http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > > > >It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: aus-wx: Storm report in the Sydney Morning Herald Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:23:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Did anyone see the letter to the editor in today's Herald re a fall of red rain?
I suppose someone will send in a response..
From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:24:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yeahhhhhhh, Was fun aye Tony? Remember nearly getting Zapped in Station St ???????? LOL Max. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:50 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day > > Hello John! > > 02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > > ;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > > Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were > rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for > a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the > forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on > a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need > to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > > We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the > storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > > Tony, VK3JED > > .. ection = Infection > -- > |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > | > | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:17:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Me reading and trying to take in too much again, say that I thought a supercell was a storm system that fed off itself for hours. Single cell is a "15 minute" storm that comes and goes. Multi-cell I'm still not sure of. I can't and probably never will be able to tell from looking. Anyone care to explain in street terms the difference between the three. Thanks. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p14-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.206] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:37:47 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tony, If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all try and treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must have missed it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) Jimmy Deguara At 07:50 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hello John! > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > >;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in >Sydney for >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > >Tony, VK3JED > >.. ection = Infection >-- >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au >| >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:23:59 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. Good report on 'your' tornadic experience! How fantastic and what a thrill to capture that tornado on video. It's a shame that the dew monitor operated in the camera. I had a similar problem when I recorded a fantastic thunderstorm that passed over us in March 1999.The dew monitor operated in the camera, thus me missing many Cj and CC shots. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc At 22:25 3/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >At approx 1800hrs 3/10/01 A heavy shower commenced here at Leopold, the >shower and occasional thunder was of a cold air type that had drifted from >southwest of Geelong over the previous 20 minutes. As this CB moved north >east of Leopold a flanking line came into view which extended westward from >the main rain area. This flanking line showed massive and rapidly growing >updrafts and ragged lowerings...all back lit by the low sun.. At approx 1810 >the very rear of the flanking line and immediately under a very strong >updraft showed what I would describe as weak rotation,this area of rotation >rapidly intensified and formed a small funnel. The funnel then moved just >north of Leopold and increased in length and actually touched down at approx >1814hrs in a grass paddock. (no debris seen) Then lifted and continued to >move northeast as a funnel initially weakening and then intensifying. By >1820 the funnel now 3 or 4 klm northeast of Leopold became large and touched >down again, the tornado was occurring immediately under a massive and >persistent updraft and was maintained for at least another 10 minutes, and >finally dissipated over Port Phillip bay at about 1832, however the wall >cloud continued to show rotation and was rather large, at about 1840 another >smaller funnel developed along the infeed flanking line but only lasted >about 3 minutes. >The video sequence lasts about 5 minutes and shows the tornado near to its >most intense phase with another view lasting about 39 seconds showing an >almost wedge shaped tornado. The early stages of this tornado were unable to >be video due to water in the camera!!! and the auto dew cut out was >activated I need not tell any ASWA member what that made me feel >like........ The passage of this storm across the Geelong area seems to have >coincided with the passage of a thermal trough although I have not checked >the soundings I believe the 500hpa temp was close to -24c surface temps were >not high being around 13c however the low to mid layers were very moist. To >have travelled thousands of kilometres in the hunt for something like this >only to have a tornado drop almost into your back yard is beyond >description, I hope you are also blessed with such an event...regards Clyve >Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 20:37:57 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, This is a topic that has come up from time to time. I remember back to a few years ago, I used to think that a supercell was something special. Well, it is - but it wasn't quite as elusive as I had originally thought. But I think that occassionally in the excitement of things, people refer to storms as supercells when they aren't - and that when they go back through their photos/footage, retract their opinion. I personally tend to be reluctant to refer to a storm as a supercell unless I'm up close and 'personal' with it. In my opinion, it's very difficult to call a storm a supercell unless you see rotation. And not just any rotation, rather - persistent rotation, evident in a base/wall cloud/exposted mesocyclone. How long is persistent? The BoM suggests a mesocyclone should last for 20mins before it is a supercell. I believe in the states though, the presence of a mesocyclone indicates the cell is a supercell. I've read the two hour definition before, but I believe this is incorrect. One of the Oct 13, 1998 supercells only lasted for 30mins, it had a hook echo for 20mins and produced a tornado over the region, before weakening quite a bit, but still being severe over the AP region. A supercell doesn't need to be severe, but (IMO) most are. But can a shower be a supercell? I believe mesocyclones can occur in any convective cloud, and a shower can have a mesocyclone/wall cloud quite easily. AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:50:05 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, I wouldn't even dare question your call on the status - if you call it a supercell then I'm there. I have just found others on the list often jump to the "supercell" call rather then analyse the storm for supercellular characteristics. Rgds, Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:48 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Hi Paul, I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is about. Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct overshoot than multicells. On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some seasons you get more than normal. By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell characteristics. I hope this clarifies my points. Jimmy Deguara At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge >a book by its cover. > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for >storm news when its done. > >Paul. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > >Hi all, > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need >to supply this photo as an example > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar >availability I suppose. > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:24:19 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12, Bussie hit his keyboard with his head and the result was this: > Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely > agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. > I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a > question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still > learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a > question. Every day is a learning day :-) It was. :-) It seems that some people took it the wrong way. > As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I > also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. > Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do > with cooler air getting sucked in? I'd be interested to know this too. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.212] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Supercells? Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:20:41 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 11:20:42.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A64D6E0:01C14CC6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, Q. When is a supercell not a supercell? A. When it's a bloddyfantasticcell anyway! Point? I think we're all getting bent outa shape over some textbook definitions of what a storm should or shouldn't look like. If a storm produces hail, tornadoes, damage torrential rain etc.. does it matter whether it was a "supercell" or not? Harald may have got close to a point earlier today with his observations of the echo structure of the cell near Leopold...do US definitions of storm structure necessarily apply to Australia? I'm not saying they don't mind you, just whether different dynamics may be at work. BTW...Congrats big time to you Clyve...I've read with interest all your posts and it's gratifying to see you catch a big one!! also...I hope this forum never ends up like WX-CHASE in the US...regarding queries...I don't think it will but vigilance is needed. Looking forward to a great spring/summer regardless of whether the critters I see have barbers-poles or rock-hard sides... Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. P.S. Mind You the last time I saw a barbers-pole I was about to get shorn... :)) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:32:23 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Help Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul Here's my attempt. Looking at the previous run of the AVN model seems to show consistency with the latest run, in making the Port Keats area the hotspot. Looking at the forecast soundings for the area at: http://www.arl.noaa.gov/ready-bin/profsrc.pl?metdata=AVN+191+km shows that as you go further east and/or north, the temperature at 500mb becomes slightly warmer (by ~1-2 degs), but of more relevance is the lack of surface moisture away from Port Keats. Surface dew points at Pt Keats are forecast to be ~22 degs, while at Darwin it is forecast at 19 degs C. Perhaps a good check of how accurate these forecast dew points are expected to be, may be to compare the 12Z forecast sounding for Darwin for tonight with the 12Z Darwin BoM sounding when it eventually comes out. If the AVN forecast sounding is similar to the BoM observed, then you can pretty much put your faith in the model, otherwise things may become a little more tricky. However as you are probably aware, things may become clearer by tomorrow. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Paul Mossman wrote: > OK all the gurus out there. > I am planning a chase on Saturday. After looking at the models, it is hard > to determine where to go. BOM have predicted afternoon storm inland for > Darwin area, but looking at LI, CAPE and PRECIP it 'seems' to indicate an > area around Mango Farm / Port Keats. Anyone got any suggestions? > For those AVN buffs: > Custom: Long 129 Width 5 Lat - 16 Height 6. > Opinions pliz. > Paul. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:44:42 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Chris On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone > else saw it to. Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself that it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from my distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious case of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be clearly obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I will have the confidence to mention it. > All this after flying over a beautiful display of lightning at 39,000ft on > Monday night to the north of Bendigo. 39,000ft and we were still 1,000ft > below the top of the anvil! Gees Chris, any room for an extra passenger???? Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Zac" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:40:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A bit hard Jim, It was a Wednesday night with 2 days notice............LOL Max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day > Hi Tony, > > If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all try and > treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must have missed > it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 07:50 PM 4/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hello John! > > > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > > > JG> JohnGaul > > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > > > >;-) > > > > JG> PS. for sale > > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > > > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were > >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in > >Sydney for > >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the > >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on > >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need > >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > > > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the > >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > > > >Tony, VK3JED > > > >.. ection = Infection > >-- > >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 > >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au > >| > >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:50:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Amazing to watch the tornado on the news tonight!!!!!! (I'm not sure where the ABC was while all of this was going on) I've put up all of the imagery & analysis that I have found so far (waiting for more coming in) regarding the Leopold tornado. The webcams are to the NE & ENE of Leopold 65kms (Melbourne) & 50kms (Sandringham) with St Kilda in between to give you some perspective. http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm If anyone has anything they'd like to add, please feel free to send it on & I'll include it. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:05:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > > > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I noted > > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who then > > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and someone > > else saw it to. > > Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself that > it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from my > distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant > that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious case > of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be clearly > obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I will > have the confidence to mention it. Well Robert, that's 3 of us now who all saw anticyconic rotation in that updraft from different parts of Melbourne!!!!! Macca, you have photos - what did you see? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:38:19 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Clyve's 'nader Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A very belated congrats from SA to you Clyve, the last few days here have been kinda interesting here but I got the shock of my life going online this arvo and finding the ruckus about the 'nader all over the shop. Apart for the great description and footage that I'm sure we'll all see in time, and the 'tornado warning' breakthrough, this is exactly the kind of thing that can really inspire flagging enthusiasm for those of us who have had a quiet winter WX wise. Roll on spring!!! Happy hunting all.... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:20:06 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Lightning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few cells have popped up to my NEish about 40km away, producing lightning every 20 seconds or so, I have no idea how long these have been active, I was at work from Midday to 9.30pm, and have over 60 emails to read... urk. IRC guys tell me Clyve is famous, on TV all across the country on every channel, well done !!!! =) (Hope you had your ASWA jumper on ;) Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:48:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an opinion. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. Michael ----- > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:28:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 12:29:50.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[4315B850:01C14CD0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some of us know you too well thou David...... Regards, Macca-wx ----- Original Message ----- From: David Findlay To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:24 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: I thought it was a query :-) > On Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:12, Bussie hit his keyboard with his head and the > result was this: > > Don't mean to upset anyone here or stand on anyone's toes. I definitely > > agree with everyone when I read about Clyve's great effort. > > I read David's email as I would have written it. I thought it was a > > question about which sort of cloud/formation it was from. I'm still > > learning as everyone is I reckon, and as mentioned, I thought it was a > > question. Every day is a learning day :-) > > It was. :-) It seems that some people took it the wrong way. > > > As far as I've read a tornado always forms on the back end of the storm? I > > also note from my reading that these storms get a "hook" look on them. > > Anyone know why yet? Why do they form on the "back end"? Something to do > > with cooler air getting sucked in? > > I'd be interested to know this too. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Graham" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:24:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I saw it on NBN up here (Ballina).........all I can say is way to go Clyve!!!!!! John From Ballina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado. > CONGRATULATIONS Clyve - what an amazing thing to have happen in 'your own > backyard' & to video it too!!!!! > > > Heard you on the radio this morning on 3AW & Rod Aikman also heard you on > StarFM in Bendigo. And David, I wouldn't doubt Clyve's word - he knows > **exactly** what he saw. It doesn't look anything like either a wall cloud > or a gust front. > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > > Hi all > > > > I've just seen a picture of the tornado at "Geelong Info" here: > > > > http://www.geelonginfo.com.au/readarticle.asp?articleid=1269 > > > > It is absolutely full on!!!! Once again, great stuff Clyve!!!!! > > Okay is that hanging from a wall cloud or a gust front? I would say a gust > front myself. Thanks, > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:36:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 12:37:39.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[5AD4DCE0:01C14CD1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well......I hate to do this to the other states BUT....which one? I saw two cells over the back of the Dandenongs on Tuesday which were both extremely large and extremely strong. The second one later in the day was very very impressive and seemed to have a rotating updraft. I'll take some captures now and send them to Jane to upload this week. Regards, Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne: Cb over the Dandenongs > > > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Chris Daley wrote: > > > > > Rob, did you notice any rotation in the Cb over the Dandenong's? I > noted > > > some anti-clockwise rotation in the main updraft from my position in > > > Mooroolbark and reported it to Jane, who had also noticed it, who > then > > > reported it to the BoM to prove to them that she wasn't crazy and > someone > > > else saw it to. > > > > Funny you mention that cos when I initially saw it I joked to myself > that > > it _looked_ like the updraft was curving anticlockwise up. But from > my > > distance, and the fact that I haven't seen such a feature before meant > > that I was in no position to call it. Until I see a clearly obvious > case > > of updraft rotation (analogous to my first funnels having to be > clearly > > obvious in order for me to call them funnels), there is no way that I > will > > have the confidence to mention it. > > Well Robert, that's 3 of us now who all saw anticyconic rotation in that > updraft from different parts of Melbourne!!!!! Macca, you have photos - > what did you see? > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 23:46:54 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It seems I might have started this debate without knowing it... I never said the buladelah storm was a supercell, just that it had taken on certain characteristics from my view 50km away, and that it looked "similar" to the image I posted of Michael Bath's. I also mentioned the storm did have large overshoots that persisted for an extended period of time and yes it did look supercellular, no doubt about it, and at times it didn't, but as Daniel Weatherhead says, sometimes there is a very fine line between whether a storm is one or not, and other times it is very obvious.I think quiet a few of us can make the call without a doubt, But I think alot of people are always critical until they see the photos themselves and dont take peoples word for it. Im still a bit iffy about the buladelah storm, maybe only radar detection (BWER scans etc) can deterimine for sure. I am deffinatly leaning towards supercell though. Harald and Bureau people on the net, would it be possible for you to obtain High res radar from Williamtown for this day? I think a few of us would be most interested in any findings. If not.. not to worry, I can only ask :) Matt Smith Paul Mossman wrote: > Hi Jimmy, > > I wouldn't even dare question your call on the status - if you call it a > supercell then I'm there. I have just found others on the list often jump to > the "supercell" call rather then analyse the storm for supercellular > characteristics. > > Rgds, Paul. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 6:48 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Is it a supercell / Darwin Nader. > > Hi Paul, > > I normally combine the wind shear characteristics, the environmental > stability and if possible radar analysis with the visual characteristics. > If I am wrong, I stand corrected I suppose. That is what this forum is > about. > > Perhaps one important issue to point out here is when people often see > overshoots, the word supercell comes out. Supercells have a more distinct > overshoot than multicells. > > On the contrary to the statement about supercells, I was brought up with > the belief that supercells are extremely rare. I would not even dare call > something a supercell. But I don't think that they are as rare as people > make them out to be. This is in particular in mid-latitudes and in some > seasons you get more than normal. > > By the way, the initial e-mail was in reply to Matt Smith's e-mail with > regard to multicell structure. From the literature, cyclic supercells often > develop from multicell systems and then certain cells erupt into supercells > along this line. From radar analysis, it seems this had supercell > characteristics. > > I hope this clarifies my points. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 06:30 PM 4/10/2001 +0930, you wrote: > >I would say that it "looks" like a supercell. > > > >However I agree with John - these days severe thunderstorms "have to be" > >supercells. Not true. Many can have the classic features but you cant judge > >a book by its cover. > > > >It takes a combination of essential elements to classify a supercell. > > > >Compare this with Clyves stunning footage and its answers the question. > > > >PS - The BOM have confirmed after analysis that there indeed was a Tornado > >last year in Darwin. The damage strip was 200 - 300m wide by several KM/s > >long. It caused significant damage to gardens, shed or 4. I have offered to > >assist the severe weather mob to write up the report. Will post a copy for > >storm news when its done. > > > >Paul. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara > >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 5:53 PM > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: aus-wx: Is it a supercell? > > > >Hi all, > > > >Reading the e-mails carefully, I caught on to what you said. Perhaps I need > >to supply this photo as an example > > > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb07.jpg > > > >Does this qualify for supercell status - the same storm? Beyond this point > >Michael Bath would need to take it on. > > > >What are people's thoughts - these were in the days with no radar > >availability I suppose. > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:44:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael & Kevin in particular, Just wanted to say there is no 'wrath' or anyone being bent up on this - I was only trying to get some worthwhile commentary going, which is the purpose of this list surely. I find the topic interesting. There are certainly some severe storms which I have observed which had inflow bands and overshoots, produced damaging winds and huge hail, but cannot IMHO be classified as Supercells because there was no mesocyclone or rotation apparent. Probably without direct observation of base features, such as was the case with the Sydney tornadic storm, or nice 3d radar/doppler signatures, it is probably difficult to make the call purely from a distance photo. I like your photo Michael and it could well have been a Supercell... Also, I have found that from a distance, base features can be very deceptive - shelf clouds viewed side on can appear to be wedge shaped lowerings or wall clouds, e.g., http://www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701a.jpg The question of scale is also interesting - I agree with Anthony that sometimes it is possible to see supercell like structure in microcosm - relatively small non-lightning active Cumulus. But you wouldn't label these Supercells. Anyway, I just thought I'd see what other folk thought on the topic. John. >snip -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 7:49 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an opinion. http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. Michael +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:50:52 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm there. As far as I'm concerned, a cell that lasts for an extended time with no other cells 'feeding' it (read multicell) is a supercell regardless of structure or anything else. To me a supercell is a simply a cell that stays active independantly from other local weather. Structure, and the nature of the updraughts -> anvil and what not are secondary to that for mine. Andrew. Michael Thompson wrote: > > If you referring to my post, and just face it, it was posted just a little > over 12 hours before yours, so it possibly falls into your wrath. Then I did > use the word ' possible '. I am very careful about applying the supercell > label and people that know me know I downplay most weather encounters. > > I am happy for anybody the take another look at the photo and make an > opinion. > > http://ozthunder.com/temp/031001.jpg > > This storm lasted 5 hours. Had a RED core for near 2 hours. > > Michael > > ----- > > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of > the > > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:26:22 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Weekend Snow!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day all, The latest run of AVN suggests some wide-spread, late season snowfalls are likely towards the end of the weekend. The BoM only has mention of them for the alps so far but with the great blob of 535 thickness (00z Sunday) and the surrounding, more persistant 540 thickness indicated on the models I suspect it will be more than that, especially for Victoria. I await with interest! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:37:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow... I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than nothing... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 10:44:56 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weekend Snow: Bathurst V8s Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Further to this, I have just found that on Saturday at 21Z (Sunday our time) there is a pool of 530 thickness over Vic. I'm not sure but I think that's the first time I've seen that this winter, if it comes off. It doesn't look like the cold air will push far enough north at the moment but even so, this could make very interesting weather for Bathurst on Sunday. There's certainly a good chance of snowfalls in ye old Oberon area which is not all that far from Bx. Sleet might be on the cards... Andrew. Andrew Miskelly wrote: > > G'day all, > > The latest run of AVN suggests some wide-spread, late season snowfalls > are likely towards the end of the weekend. The BoM only has mention of > them for the alps so far but with the great blob of 535 thickness (00z > Sunday) and the surrounding, more persistant 540 thickness indicated on > the models I suspect it will be more than that, especially for Victoria. > > I await with interest! > > Andrew. > > -- > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Subject: aus-wx: Cloud over WA Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:02:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, This area of cloud over WA associated with the approaching rapidly deepening trough is expanding very rapidly. There's a strengthening infeed of moisture from the area around Indonesia again, and a lot of cold air at 850hPa lurking in the SW Bight area .......people, is this starting to sound a bit like last weekend & this week? Maybe the Victorian forecast will live up to its "drizzle with occasional tornadoes" description (again)! Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:34:11 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Help Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think I'll just reply to my own email :-) There seems to be an ok comparison between the AVN forecast sounding for 00Z today at Darwin and the BoM observed sounding. However, one thing the model doesn't pick up (due to lack of resolution) is the marked dry slot between 900hPa and 850hPa. Now this would have a detrimental effect on convection due to the entrainment of drier air into a moist air parcel lifted from the surface. However, I'm not sure how big an effect this will play. Anyone have any thoughts? What's more this layer has become drier since last night, so I'm not sure it it's a trend that will continue. So, plotting the 900mb RH for 06Z Sat shows that this layer will be moister the closer you are to the coast, southwest of Darwin. Anyway, looking at the forecast LIs (down to -2) and CAPE (up to 1300 J/kg) shows that the region of potential activity has extended further north. On Thu, 4 Oct 2001, Robert Goler wrote: > Perhaps a good check of how accurate these forecast dew points are > expected to be, may be to compare the 12Z forecast sounding for Darwin for > tonight with the 12Z Darwin BoM sounding when it eventually comes out. If > the AVN forecast sounding is similar to the BoM observed, then you can > pretty much put your faith in the model, otherwise things may become a > little more tricky. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:31:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: Next weekend...

I'll also be keeping an eye on the weather for next weekend. Sunday morning in particular in Melbourne, running the marathon from Frankston to Albert Park and hoping that if there is a wind it has a significant element of S or E in it as the entire run is along the bay road and is exposed to anything coming off the bay. It could easily make the difference between a 2hr50min run or 3+hrs, hopefully the former.

Any speculation as we get closer to next weekend would be most appreciated. Although I will be in Melbourne from mid Friday to early Monday, so if Clyve will be kind enough to send a nadar around it would be appreciated.

Andrew Godsman

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Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in
Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike
race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow...

I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than
nothing...

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Next weekend... Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 11:18:26 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Next weekend... Thread-Index: AcFNOko1X6x+cMYOQLm8YFjCiSqk8AAASrfQ From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id VAA09908 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Would anyone also like to predict the weather for this Sunday in Northern Victoria - Echuca area to be precise? Thanks Allison -----Original Message----- From: Paul Mirtschin [mailto:paul at nothingdesign.com.au] Sent: Friday, 5 October 2001 10:38 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Next weekend... Would anyone be willing to make predictions on next weekends weather in Canberra? A few (1000+) of us will be entered in a 24 hour Mountainbike race, and planning for what to take is happening as of tomorrow... I know a 7 day isn't that accurate, but anything is better than nothing... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ##################################################################################### Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information and copyright material. 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As the front enters the south of SA and Vic at around 00Z tomorrow, use a combination of hourly temperature, humidity, wind and pressure plots to track it accross the country and see what's happening in the wake of it. This will help you work out what it's going to do when it reaches you. Ofcourse you could do all this by reading the text obs, but it's 100 times harder! Sorry about the offtopic post. Andrew. WxProfiler: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:43:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 03:44:20.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[03FCDBF0:01C14D50] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, still north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft will be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this singularity development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: South east Aus. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:50:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 03:51:29.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[03FCE680:01C14D51] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Interesting developments showing up for south east Australia and Tasmania later tonight and especially tomorrow. A nice field of cold air looks as if it will be catapulted towards south east Aus as the high southwest of WA strengthens and works a strong ridge to the south. The baroclinic cloud band over WA seems to be on the move towards a Low that should develop west of Vic tonight as the thermal gradient becomes greater as the cold air approaches overnight,the cold air has come from below 60 south (the black abyss,reference to no satellite region) and with a bit of luck may send sufficiently cold air across SE Aus for snow to low levels during the weekend. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Offtopic: WxProfiler Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 13:55:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > For those who downloaded WxProfiler: I keep getting an "error loading data - Unknown reason" error with it... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au "Razor scooters? It's a skateboard with a damn handle! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Andrew (Macca) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:01:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 04:02:18.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[865F15C0:01C14D52] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew. Thank you for your kind thoughts, (I wont come over and give you hugs and kisses)as I recall you made a pretty good estimate of the dew point and I must say, not much in the way of weather gets past your observations. I cant wait to get out the back of Premer and chase the big one across the plains of the Northwest slopes of NSW and enjoy your 'colour full'description of the event. Thanks again Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 04:12:04.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[E3D05470:01C14D53] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tropos. Tropical storm should read 'south' of the sub tropical jet. regards C.H. ----- Original Message ----- From: clyve herbert To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil. > Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, still > north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft will > be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this singularity > development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards Clyve > Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.109.252.15] From: "steven williams" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Fine Day Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:35:57 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2001 09:35:58.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[F8F0C7A0:01C14CB7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. Cheers Steven Williams NZ Weather observer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 13:40:35 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, Clyve, it looked to me this morning as though Okinawa might cop it big time in a few days from now. However, JTWC's latest prediction has Typhoon Krosa recurving much earlier and maybe giving Tokyo a fright about a week from now. However, the jet you refer to may take it around further to the South and miss Tokyo altogether. The last few storms in these parts seem to have been getting more and more unpredictable. BTW, Good going on the tornado the other day. I would love to view your video and listen to your interviews if someone gets them up on-line somewhere. It generated more e-mail from the aussie-weather list than I have seen in a while. Still getting through it all and trying to make it look like I am working in the meantime. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 14:10:49 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Tropos. > Tropical storm should read 'south' of the sub tropical jet. regards > C.H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: clyve herbert > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:43 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > > > > Hi Phil. > > Nice tropical storm spinning up at about 17 north and 140 east today, > still > > north of the sub trop jet and displaying good outflow potential aloft > will > > be interesting to see how the sub trop jet interacts with this > singularity > > development. Appears to be moving northwest at the moment. regards > Clyve > > Herbert. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 14:15:46 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Won't hold my breath waiting for that one to spin up. Though sometimes we are surprised by off-season storms in the SIO. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Johnstone To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:58:19 -0500 Subject: aus-wx: S. Indian Ocean cyclone? > Anyone noticed the circulation centre in the Indian ocean: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/jtgio_ir2.jpg > > And the JTWC advisory: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt > > Maybe something going to happen? > > Tom Johnstone > Madison, WI > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fine Day Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:18:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Steven, The NZ warning that came through this morning makes it sound like things could get very interesting over your way - I particularly like the phrase in the warning "the culprits are two separate rainbands....." SEVERE WEATHER WARNING ISSUED BY MetService AT 11:15 am 05-Oct-2001 {MEDIA} HEAVY RAIN EXPECTED ON SATURDAY MetService expects a period of heavy rain to affect the northern and western parts of both islands on Saturday. The culprits are two seperate rainbands, one moving down from the subtropical area north of New Zealand, and a second sweeping in from the Tasman Sea. Heaviest falls are expected about the ranges of Coromandel Peninsula, Bay of Plenty and Nelson, and also on Mt Taranaki where up to 150mm of rain may fall on Saturday. Also, the rainband moving down over the northern half of the North Island is likely to bring a period of heavy rain and blustery northeasterlies to Northland and Auckland, with the heaviest rain about Auckland city tomorrow afternoon. Forecasters expect the rain to ease from the north and west later on Saturday. FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Hi John, The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. Cheers Steven Williams NZ Weather observer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Graeme Williams" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:33:54 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks to everyone who helped out with my query - as a result I've got myself yet another new camera bag which lets me keep the 28-85 on the camera, and the 70-210 alongside. I keep my older manual P30T with 35-200 with me at work, and the newer gear waiting at home. Cheers, Graeme ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" To: Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 10:01 pm Subject: Re: aus-wx: Camera gear question > I have two SLR cameras and exclusively use 35mm - 105mm zooms on both. > > 8 out of 10 weather photos are taken at the 35m end too. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graeme Williams" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2001 17:20 > Subject: aus-wx: Camera gear question > > > > Hi, > > > > Having a fair bit of camera gear puts me into a bit of a spin when some > nice > > severe wx happens...what lens does everyone usually keep on their cameras > > for wx type pictures? 28mm? 50mm? 85mm? 28-85mm? 70-210mm? What gives the > > most flexability without lugging bags of gear? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Graeme > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tim Grugeon" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:49:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Shannon, Sorry to be so slow in replying. Glad to hear that you liked your day. I thought it was a lot of fun and would like to thank Jimmy for giving the thought for stopping by. I ended up seeing that lightening show of the coast just when I got home. It looked pretty awesome. Cheers, Tim Grugeon Maitland, NSW http://hunterweather.port5.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon Symons" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) > Hi All, > > I was with Jimmy and Tim on the chase yesterday and just wanted to share a > few of my thoughts. > > Yesterday was my second ever storm chase, having had my 'maiden chase' > earlier in the year with Jimmy. I guess what id like to share today is not > so much the technical side of what i saw (as I am only just getting used to > it) but a few feelings I felt on the day from a 'newcomers' point of view. > > I had many highlights - most of the time I was simply in awe of what I was > viewing. I am sure Jimmy was concerned about whether or not I was enjoying > myself, due to my lack of talking! The truth is, I could not speak. What I > was viewing simply took my breath away. At the end of the chase, sitting on > the beach at Hallidays Point with Jimmy and Tim, I had great pleasure in > recapping the days events in view of a beautiful roll cloud that I could not > take my eyes off. It was a perfect end to the day but it did not stop there. > Whilst we were driving back home, we were accompanied by a spectacular > lightening show off the coast as we travelled south. > > > Yesterday, for me, was a perfect example of why I love storm chasing. The > day started, and never stopped, with an atmosphere of pure adrenalin, > excitement and anticipation. I viewed and learnt about storm structures that > could not be descibed in a textbook, got to see towns and areas I had never > seen before, met new people, and the whole time knowing that I was sharing > the experience with two people who hold the same passion and interest in the > weather as I do. Thankyou to Jimmy and Tim for a great day!! > > Shannon > > > > > > > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bulahdelah Cell (5 UTC) > >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 06:53:56 +1000 > > > >Hi Harold, Matt and all, > > > >Yes. We were onto this storm system. > > > >We were stuck in the eastern Hunter when I noticed the winds were remaining > >W and persisting. I must than the call from Dave and the local update of > >the models only - nothing had developed at that stage that was remarkable. > >However, it was the stuff to the E that had my interest with corkscrew > >behaviour in all updraughts and circular bases. But the storm system was > >not that spectacular at that stage. > > > >So we (Tim Crugeon, Shanon Symmonds and myself) headed towards Karuh and > >then Bulahdelah. It was at Karuh or just beyond that I noticed the storm > >had begun to explode into a severe structure: noting the crisp side anvil > >right above us peeping out amongst the base (Jimmy get your eyes on the > >road). > > > >When we stopped on the side of the road, the storm had quickly begun to > >organise a shelf cloud structure and then quickly the light green tinge > >began to show. I was impressed with the development and organisation. This > >developed supercell characteristics quicker than any other supercell I have > >seen this season. > > > >The storm was quickly moving E-NE (left moving) in my opinion. At > >Bulahdelah, we stopped for more photographs and video and watched the > >precipitation cascades. show hail shafts. This was developing at a rapid > >rate. > > > >Just north of Buladelah, we noted what seemed to me like a clear air region > >with wind suddenly gusting through. There was rotation occurring at a 70 > >degree angle (almost overhead). But it may have been just the scud - but > >the rotation was definitely cyclonic. > > > >So we headed further north to stay ahead noting that we had few road > >options. The rotation continued for several minutes but the road slightly > >veered away from the area of rotation. Again, this had to happen in area > >with very poor road options. Perhaps it would have been better to go to > >Forster but I wanted to remain just ahead. The storm was moving away but > >more were developing on the NW-W end. This system had the potential, and > >probably I suspect was, a cyclic system with new storms developing in pulse > >like a multicellular system but with incredible twisting in the updraught > >and you could see visible rotation in the updraughts. Trained eyes I > >suppose could see it. Well I have to review the footage before I make any > >judgements. > > > >Just south of Nabiac, we watch the storm interact with the NE sea breeze. > >The base started to show back-building behaviour and the bases were quite > >interesting in my opinion. (Some people may be bored watching the footage I > >suppose). > > > >To the W, there was clear skies and less cumulus. The last storm to develop > >still showed supercell structure and was situated right along the dryline. > >To Paul Graham, who was located at that stage near Gloucester, it had a > >cork screw updraught and he felt it looked like an LP supercell. > > > >Well, I suppose it is now time to review videos. An interesting chase. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > >At 03:41 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > >>Well, > >> > >>The 5 UTC 128 km Williamstown radar shows a ~50 dBZ (pink) large > >>reflectivity > >>core right over Sugarloaf Point due E of Bulahdelah (between Newcastle > >>and Taree). The 5 UTC radar scan and the 4:25 UTC GMS_5 VIS image show > >>all decent anvil streaming off to the SE, indicative of an equally decent > >>updraught mass flux and storm-relative flow. The lightning tracker from > >>3:13 pm EST (= 5:13 UTC) shows moderate CG activity. > >> > >>The storm seems to have formed right on the moisture boundary / wind shift > >>line > >>with surface dewpoints of 6-7 C in the Newcastle area, and closer to 13 C > >>around Taree. Seabreeze convergence and an eastward moving upper-level > >>cold pool (model-derived) probably have a lot to do > >>with the cell's timing and location. > >> > >>Matthew Smith described the earlier appearance of that updraught > >>as supercellular, which would not surprise me. > >>I'd love to get some ground truths. Does anyone / has anyone > >>on this list see(n) this thing? Any rotation? > >> > >>Day II is afoot (which spares me having to put a bag over my head) > >>Harald > >> > >>-- > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >>Harald Richter > >>BMRC > >>PO Box 1289K > >>Melbourne VIC 3001 > >>Australia > >>ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > >>fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > >>email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > >>url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >>to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >----------------------------------------- > >Jimmy Deguara > >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > >from > >Schofields, Sydney > >NSW Australia > > > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > >Web Page with Michael Bath > > > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: More photos Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:53:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all just uploaded more photos see www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ Enjoy!!!! +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:13:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John (and others old enough to remember) There was a tornado watch issued for the "South Coast - Curtis and Moreton" area on the day that there was a tornado in Brighton (Bayside Brisbane) area way back when I was in school some 20 years ago. Early 1980's. Sorry in those days I did not keep any records, but as this was a particularly unusual ABC TV forecast it sticks in my memory. Never seen or heard of anything similar since. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:56 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > Hi Jimmy. > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued tornado > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > the early 1980's. > > John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was a few cells this afternoon in the target area. Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! Thanks in advance for your assistance. Rgds, Paul. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:34:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is the South African forecast site: http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm and this one for a wider picture http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I think.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Rain Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:21:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don't think it's forecast for here but I have light rain. Of course it's Murphy's law at work again. Water the lawn.......... Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that doesnt but i am working on it! Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add links to it. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.84.119.252] From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:15:24 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 12:15:24.0939 (UTC) FILETIME=[698DDDB0:01C14D97] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey, This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed something, but, what actually is the site? Cheers, Michael Olsen >From: "Simon Angell" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: my site. >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that >doesnt but i am working on it! >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add >links >to it. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:44:05 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Tony, Yes I read about the storms you are getting in NSW, Victoria plus Clyve Herbert's fantastic encounterwith a tornado in - 'his back yard' Hopefully with the anticyclone finally retreating away to the east with this current weather situation we may get some weather but probably around in the North Island more so than here in the SI. We need an anticyclone over you buggers in OZ with the warm sunshine coming through a cold SW flow to produce good thunder/hail storms whatever here in Canterbury. It dosen't look like it at the moment but then you never may know! JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Society At 19:50 4/10/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Hello John! > >02 Oct 01 23:41, you wrote to All: > > JG> JohnGaul > JG> NZ Fine Weather Society > >;-) > > JG> PS. for sale > JG> unwanted NZTS society T-shirts, video camera and other things needed > JG> for storm-chasing !! These items seem to be not wanted now as because > JG> of global warming we don't seem to get any forms of severe weather or > JG> possible severe weather like we used to ! > >Hmm, maybe we can sell some stormy trips to OZ? :-) The last few days were >rather interesting. I remember the other month though. I was up in Sydney for >a few days work, and was going to catch up with Max on one night. As the >forecast looked promising for the night we'd catch up, we were hoping to go on >a chase. Well, the weather did live up to the forecast, but there was no need >to go on any chase, the storms came to us! :-) > >We ended up walking back to Max's from the restaurant at the height of the >storm, which was a bit of a buzz. :) > >Tony, VK3JED > >.. ection = Infection >-- >|Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 >|Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au >| >| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:09:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2001 13:10:33.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D5A71D0:01C14D9F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald. I am extremely interested in your reply, and I will endeavour to answer (from a visual perspective) your request for further information. At the moment I am still suffering from only what I can describe as retina retention of what I saw(I cant get it out of my mind),I am also continually analysing and trying to remember everything I observed. In respect to the local scale low you mentioned I observed this just south of Cape Otway on the Vic visual satpic for 1230hrs Mel time,it seems this local/meso scale low had moved northeast towards the Geelong area by 1530hrs local time. I feel the presence of this meso feature is a significant aspect of the study I will carry out on the occurrence of this tornado. In regards to the lightning you are correct I detected only two discharges prior to the storm moving over the Leopold area and this was when the system was just southwest of my location (I photographed what I would describe as a small multicell of rather low tops).Another area worthy of investigation is the possible presence of convergence points to the lee of the Otway range in a southwest flow this may have also aided in updraft potential. The tornado became very large between 1815 and 1820 and at times almost seemed wedge like, at this time the tornado had passed onto Corio Bay and effectively became a water spout.I would be keen to receive any ideas and suggestions regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Harald Richter To: Aussie Weather Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > Folks: > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity pattern > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > around 500 hPa. > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of > info available operationally). > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > Harald > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:54:44 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Keith, Reason I couldn't find Ivory Coast is that they have reverted to the French version - Cote D'Ivoire. Seems that conditions will be similar to a Darwin Wet season day - muggy, storms & rain and about 28C. Nice! Good thing I had my yellow fever shots and have my malaria and typhoid tablets! Paul -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Keith Barnett Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:05 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing This is the South African forecast site: http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm and this one for a wider picture http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I think.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:30:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, I've added a couple more images, a scan of the frontpage of the Herald Sun from yesterday afternoon where the tornado took up 50% of the front page!!!, another hodograph & a link to the zip file for HodoTool applet used to create them courtesy of Hank de Wit!! (many thanks Hank) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm More to come!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:31:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I wonder whether you will find any of those blokes in Nigeria that keep sending us all endless e-mails offering to pay us 20% to allow them to deposit 28 million US dollars in our bank accounts! I don't know whether you get 'em in Oz but I must have had a dozen this week here in HK. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > Hi all, > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. > Certainly was > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to > speak at > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > Rgds, Paul. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:25:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Olsen" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > hey, > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed something, > but, what actually is the site? > > Cheers, > Michael Olsen > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture that > >doesnt but i am working on it! > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff and > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > >links > >to it. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:41:29 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's still at http://www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ where he has been telling us about it for the last few days. Well done, Simon, I especially like your marvellous background picture - did you take that one? When you get around to adding those links, you might want to link to my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm which will always have info on Aussie cyclones in season as well as the rest of the world. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Olsen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:15:24 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > hey, > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > something, > but, what actually is the site? > > Cheers, > Michael Olsen > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture > that > >doesnt but i am working on it! > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and > add a > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding > stuff and > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > >links > >to it. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:02:07 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow Jane, thanks for this! That Hodograph program is FANTASTIC! I've been looking for something like that for years! (Now all I need is one for Skew-Ts that automatically does LI/CAPE etc and I'm in heaven). For those wondering how to use it...unzip it into a directory (make sure all the contents lie in the same directory, don't move anything out of the older, although the folder can be moved anywhere). Open "HodoTool.html" in your web browser, and you'll get a screen with a hodograph on it. Use the zoom control for 'fine tuning' so to speak, it allows you to zoom in and adjust things on a finer scale (ie, your wind speed and direction). To change the speed/direction use the little nodes on the hodograph and move them around the hodograph to represent the speed/direction (basically the hodograph is a circle (360 degrees) of where the winds could come from, and the further away from the centre the stronger the wind). It'll tell you how strong the wind is at that level by looking at the wind barbs (half barb = 5kn, full barb = 10kn, bold barb = 50kn). By changing the nodes around, you can change the wind speeds/directions to reflect the environment you want to 'simulate' and then get a SRH (Storm Relative Helicity) reading. Essentially a measure of the area under the hodograph (similar to the CAPE theory, ie the more area the higher your value and the better ). Your magic numbers for SRH are: 150: Approx. threshold for supercells 150-299: Shear sufficient for F0/F1 tornadoes 300-449: Shear sufficient for F2/F3 tornadoes 450+: Shear sufficient for F4/F5 tornadoes But I disagree a lot with these numbers, as they're slightly ambigious, but can be handy as a guide to try and work out what a value of SRH means (it depends on so many other factors though so it's not quite as clear cut as that). Anyway - an extremely useful tool! Thanks Jane and the BoM!!! AC Jane ONeill wrote: > > Evening all, > > I've added a couple more images, a scan of the frontpage of the Herald > Sun from yesterday afternoon where the tornado took up 50% of the front > page!!!, another hodograph & a link to the zip file for HodoTool applet > used to create them courtesy of Hank de Wit!! (many thanks Hank) > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm > > More to come!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:38:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I would think that the BoM could only issue a warning if one was spotted as there are no (little now i guess) Doppler radars to detect rotation?? I wonder if they might start looking at some forecast indicies and warn of possible tornadic events??? Cheers Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 6:56 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > Hi Jimmy. > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued torndao > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > the early 1980's. > > John. > > >snip... > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a warning > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement amongst > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I would > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on this > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:43:07 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I guess the classic description is one in which a storm lats longer than normal, hence it's a superstorm so to speak. This is what we get taught but that is a 60's definition. Now, most people will only refer to a storm as supercelluar if it's exhibits rotation and organisation. It does not need to have severe weather associated with it but, again by the definition of severe now days, this would be rare. Anyway, thats my understanding... Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 7:32 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Calls & Supercells > Hi All, > > Without wanting to criticise anyone and in the interests of general > education, I wonder if we arn't a bit too liberal with our allocation of the > word Supercell. I tend to think that any storm with inflow from a rear > quadrant (as compared to a squall line storm say) seems to be immediately > labelled a "Supercell" when in fact I suspect it probably shouldn't be. > > By way of example, in the image referenced below what real evidence is there > of a Supercell? The structure is classical so maybe it is, but it is surely > hard to discern at this distance. The storm doesn't look particularly severe > having only a low weak anvil, no overshoot & no backshearing. > > Then again, is there any requirement for a Supercell to be severe?? My > understanding is that a Supercell is a particularly long lived single cell > with a self sustained rotating updraft/downdraft pair. One definition I > read included 2+ hours longevity. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that > only the most severe cells with the right structure would probably qualify. > > Thoughts anyone? > > John. > >snip > > Matt if it looked like that one, it is clearly a supercell > > At 10:33 PM 3/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1996/1231mb05.jpg > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:47:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald, sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source of vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to detmine wind speeds? Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > Folks: > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km AGL > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the northernmost > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with Clyve's TOR) > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity patte rn > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely low-topped > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface trough/wind shift > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and the wind > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture quickly > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up to > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, and > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running into > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > around 500 hPa. > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 UTC > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt mid-level > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of Leopold > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each other. > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a disconnected > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to Ballarat > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have advected > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary mentioned above. > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination led > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven wrong on > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made this > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic are > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around 1810 LT, > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level of > info available operationally). > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > Harald > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 07:59:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, I seem to remember Mike Bailey (ABC TV weather in Sydney) mention the possibility of tornadoes once, some years ago, on his evening weather segment. I can't remember exactly what year, but I'm fairly sure he did. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Clarke To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > John (and others old enough to remember) > > There was a tornado watch issued for the "South Coast - Curtis and Moreton" > area on the day that there was a tornado in Brighton (Bayside Brisbane) area > way back when I was in school some 20 years ago. Early 1980's. > > Sorry in those days I did not keep any records, but as this was a > particularly unusual ABC TV forecast it sticks in my memory. > > Never seen or heard of anything similar since. > > Regards > Simon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Woodbridge" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:56 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: BoM Tornado warnings. > > > > Hi Jimmy. > > > > Just wish to confirm that the BoM in Brisbane have DEFINITELY issued > tornado > > warnings in the past and I can recall one such warning from as long ago as > > the early 1980's. > > > > John. > > > > >snip... > > >I also welcome the Bureau for issuing a tornado warning. Now I don't know > > >if this is the first - I will wait and see for more details of one that > > >occurred in Canberra several years ago. I don't know if that had a > warning > > >or if it just affected the policies for warnings in Canberra.... If not, > > >then this is the first ever tornado warning. Well done for the Bureau "in > > >Melbourne" - something we have been trying to push for some time. It was > > >good that the Bureau took the warning seriously. > > > > > >Now did it (the tornado warning) create any confusion or excitement > amongst > > >the media. did it cause panic or did the media not deal with this? I > would > > >be interested to know as this was stated by someone from the Bureau on > this > > >list in regards to the Sydney tornado last November. > > > > > >Once again, well done Clyve. > > > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:03:13 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine Day Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Steven, Yes it does like it could be wet up in your 'neck of the woods' but unfortunately nothing much down here. The long range does look hopeful for interesting weather say from about the middle of next week but I find that when they forecast or predict intersting weather events in the long -run by the time it comes around, things have 'deteriated' JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Society At 09:35 4/10/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi John, >The dry high is now moving away. Looks like we could get a good >dump of rain here over the weekend. Watch out for storms with hail >in canterbury early next week, particularly on the southerly change. >Cheers >Steven Williams >NZ Weather observer +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:02:41 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Also here in New Zealand, Phil !!! Good site of yours too, keep up the good work JohnGaul NZTS At 21:31 5/10/01 +0800, you wrote: >I wonder whether you will find any of those blokes in Nigeria that keep >sending us all endless e-mails offering to pay us 20% to allow them to >deposit 28 million US dollars in our bank accounts! >I don't know whether you get 'em in Oz but I must have had a dozen this >week here in HK. > >Phil ><>< >International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk >Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk >Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Paul Mossman" >To: >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:01 +0930 >Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > >> >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. >> Certainly was >> a few cells this afternoon in the target area. >> >> Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am >> heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / >> Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to >> speak at >> some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African >> storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! >> >> Thanks in advance for your assistance. >> >> Rgds, Paul. >> ----------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:38:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And I think in that part of the world generally there are 2 distinct wet seasons as the ITCZ moves back and forth.Anywhere from Ivory Coast to Guinea.Wouldn't mind living in that sort of wet climate..24 to 28 or 30 degrees for a daily minimum to maximum temperature range.(Retirement keeps getting slowly closer for me but I don't think I'll live over there because of the political instability..seems like Seven Hills will have to do...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mossman" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > Thanks Keith, > > Reason I couldn't find Ivory Coast is that they have reverted to the French > version - Cote D'Ivoire. > > Seems that conditions will be similar to a Darwin Wet season day - muggy, > storms & rain and about 28C. Nice! Good thing I had my yellow fever shots > and have my malaria and typhoid tablets! > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Keith Barnett > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:05 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > This is the South African forecast site: > > http://www.weathersa.co.za/fcast/national.htm > > and this one for a wider picture > http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/Africa.htm > > I typed Ghana in the text box and got a map..Ivory Coast is next door, I > think.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Mossman" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:17 PM > Subject: aus-wx: African Weather links / Chasing > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > Thanks to Robert G. for his advice re: potential for Saturday. Certainly > was > > a few cells this afternoon in the target area. > > > > Does anyone have any links to Ivory Coast / Nigeria weather pages? I am > > heading off next Saturday to Brisbane ( 1 week) / Sydney (2 nights) / > > Johannesburg (3 days) / Ivory Coast (1 week) / Nigeria(4 weeks) to speak > at > > some conferences and am interested in whether there might some African > > storms! The first ASWA chase to Africa! > > > > Thanks in advance for your assistance. > > > > Rgds, Paul. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Wind Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:46:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The wind has just swung around from an easterly to a NWerly and is very gusty now averaging around 30 to 40 kmh with a top gust of 46.7kmh and of course raising a lot of dust. Temp also rising rapidly at 19 already. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:35:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 00:37:06.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[06B6B140:01C14DFF] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Lyle. Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed down it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the Sands caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. From this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto Corio Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Pakula To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Harald, > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source of > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > detmine wind speeds? > > Cheers, Lyle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harald Richter" > To: "Aussie Weather" > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > Folks: > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 km > AGL > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > northernmost > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > Clyve's TOR) > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity patte > rn > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > low-topped > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface > trough/wind shift > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and > the wind > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture > quickly > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up > to > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, > and > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running > into > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 > UTC > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > mid-level > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in the > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > Leopold > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each > other. > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a > disconnected > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > Ballarat > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > advected > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > mentioned above. > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on the > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This combination > led > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and vorticity > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm Ratio) > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being proven > wrong on > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made > this > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) tornadic > are > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around > 1810 LT, > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this level > of > > info available operationally). > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > Harald > > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > Harald Richter > > BMRC > > PO Box 1289K > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > Australia > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:46:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 02:47:51.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[4AC883B0:01C14E11] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Afternoon all,
 
Interesting afternoon in central Victoria today.  Forecast is for showers with the chance of a thunderstorm with hail this afternoon.  Currently a few moderate showers pulsing into the yellow on green on radar are working their way across Melbourne with some nice dark bases and some moderate TCu going up.  The front is out to the west and a few low topped CB's can be seen through the gaps in the cloud out to the west.  Going by this morning's sounding convection will not get above about 400mb (at best) but quite cold air is moving into the middle layers so some moderate low topped CB's with some strongish updrafts are possible this afternoon.  Temperatures are creeping in to the mid-teens across central Victoria and dewpoints are around 8-10C.  Something to keep us interested for the weekend.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: aus-wx: First TC Warning for the Southern Season Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:56:10 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN

A 180 NM RADIUS OF 10.5S6 82.5E5 WITHIN THE NEXT 03 TO 24 HOURS.

AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL

CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.  WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED

TO BE 25 TO 30 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 052030Z0 INDICATES THAT A

CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 10.5S6 82.5E5. THE SYSTEM IS

MOVING SOUTHWESTWARD AT 03 KNOTS.

2. REMARKS:

THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 10.5S6 82.5E5 HAS

REMAINED QUASI-STATIONARY, APPROXIMATELY 620 NM EAST-SOUTHEAST OF

DIEGO GARCIA. ANIMATED INFRARED IMAGERY SHOWS AN INCREASE IN THE

DEEP CONVECTION OVER THE PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION

CENTER (LLCC). RECENT QUIKSCAT DATA REVEALS A DEFINED LLCC. THE

200MB ANALYSIS INDICATES THE REGION IS IN A MODERATE VERTICAL WIND

SHEAR ENVIRONMENT WITH GOOD OUTFLOW ALOFT. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL

PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1000 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE

DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24

HOURS IS NOW GOOD.

3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY

062330Z4.//

 

From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 16:54:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 06:52:30.0215 (UTC) FILETIME=[77BB5970:01C14E33] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey people Well I went for my first storm chase with the new car today and with my new digital camera (powershot G2). Went to the south of Fertree Gully and found this nice hill with little trees. A bit of a hike to get to the top (couple of min), but I was rewarded with a fantastic view of the strong storm that moved through the SE subs of Melbourne. This storm produced a couple of lovely anvil crawlers and looked very nice. Couldn't chase for too long because I have to go out tonight. Here are the pics http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_4.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_5.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_6.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_7.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_8.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_9.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_10.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_11.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_12.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_13.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_14.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_15.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_16.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_17.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_18.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_19.jpg http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_20.jpg Nick Sykes +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:48:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great shots Nick, the G2 does a good job with the contrast between the blue sky and the white clouds. Am I right in guessing the hill is near the Wellington Rd & Lysterfield Rd intersection? Regards, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Stroms > Hey people > > Well I went for my first storm chase with the new car today and with my new > digital camera (powershot G2). Went to the south of Fertree Gully and found > this nice hill with little trees. A bit of a hike to get to the top (couple > of min), but I was rewarded with a fantastic view of the strong storm that > moved through the SE subs of Melbourne. This storm produced a couple of > lovely anvil crawlers and looked very nice. Couldn't chase for too long > because I have to go out tonight. > > Here are the pics > > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_4.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_5.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_6.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_7.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_8.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_9.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_10.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_11.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_12.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_13.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_14.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_15.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_16.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_17.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_18.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_19.jpg > http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/Oct6_2001_20.jpg > > Nick Sykes > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Windy Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 18:20:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I got a very strong wind gust here about a half hour ago that didn't give much warning. 70.8kmh from the NW and a big dump of rain (0.2mm grin), with the temp dropping 5 in ten minutes. Wind has backed right off again to average about 15kmh. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:13:21 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cloud over WA Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jane! 05 Oct 01 11:02, you wrote to Aus Wx: JO> starting to sound a bit like last weekend & this week? Maybe the JO> Victorian forecast will live up to its "drizzle with occasional JO> tornadoes" description (again)! LOL! Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 05 Oct 01 23:57:49 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper-level charts request Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Greg! 04 Oct 01 12:52, you wrote to All: GB> Warragul region (about 100k's east of my location), but it was all GB> gareden-variety stuff in the suburbs. Tuesday night was almost fine in the fine weather capital of Melbourne (Niddrie). :-/ Tony, VK3JED .. What?!? This isn't the Files section?!? -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:09:11 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Offtopic: WxProfiler Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Paul! 05 Oct 01 13:55, you wrote to All: PM> at Importance: Normal >> For those who downloaded WxProfiler: PM> PM> I keep getting an "error loading data - Unknown reason" error with PM> it... I downloaded it. Looks good. How do you get it to download data off the BoM? I couldn't see a control for that. Also, the Java loading was slow, but I'm about to fix that... with a massive hardware upgrade. :) Tony, VK3JED -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:06:52 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Zac! 04 Oct 01 20:24, you wrote to All: Z> Was fun aye Tony? Z> Z> Remember nearly getting Zapped in Station St ???????? Hehe, was a great night. We must do it again, or perhaps you can make it down when there's good chasing conditions. :) At least if you start from here, it's 99% chance we're going to _have_ to chase! Almost all storms dodge this area. :-) Tony, VK3JED .. I don't have the time for a hobby. I have a computer. -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 06 Oct 01 00:02:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fine day Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jimmy! 04 Oct 01 20:37, you wrote to All: JD> If you ever come to Sydney, please do meet up with others as we all JD> try and treat others that come from the list or ASWA as guests. I must JD> have missed it I suppose. And Max, you should have told us:) Well, I make frequent day trips (anyone work in the city want to catch up over lunch?) to Sydney for work reasons, and there is an extended trip (like the one last time I caught up with Max) in the pipeline, when we do some office renovatiuons. Oh, I had Max down here for the afternoon. We spent the time passing radar pictures across Melbourne and between Melbourne and Sydney via radio. :-) I still have the pictures showing a nice storm around Sydney! :-) We were actually seeing how well the Bureau's radar images could be carried by slow scan TV on HF and VHF frequencies. You never know, might be useful. A few nice wx pics made the trip into the ether as well! :) Tony, VK3JED .. ptain Casio." "He's LED, Jim." -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:13:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 09:14:48.0345 (UTC) FILETIME=[58DA9890:01C14E47] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for ages.... What is at the end of a rainbow? No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was death-defyingly reversing up a public street. Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! aaah, spring!! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 21:02:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: New ASWA website Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This email is to inform you that ASWA has a new website! The web address has not changed (http://www.severeweather.asn.au), but please have a look at it and give your thoughts. There are a plethora of new additions to the site, a weather education, credits, committee, enhanced state groups, merchandise page - not to mention a complete overhaul of the members' section with additional radars, features and usability! Past issues of storm news and a complete listing of your member benefits are further additions to the members' area. State groups and news pages have descriptions of the different states, give up to date ASWA information and reports on past ASWA activities that may be of interest! Further updates will come in the near future, with the implementation of an ASWA forecast area and extensive radar guide and walk-through! As a member, you are now entitled to hold up to five photos in the ASWA photo gallery, and also have links to your personal or company weather related webpages under the links section! We appreciate any feedback that you may have on the website, this includes suggestions, constructive criticism and any problems that may occur! Regards, Michael Bath ASWA Webmaster ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW http://lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:12:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: Aussie-wx Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Well like Jane, I also took off to the east. I captured some lightning on video, but unfortunately the best lightning I saw I was unable to get it on video. I suppose it's like the one that got away :-) My shots can be seen here: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_06/today.html And Jane's shots are up at: http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm And I love the rainbow and cows shot!!!! On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jane ONeill wrote: > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:29:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak temps & here it is mid-spring) Check Melbourne 512km radar. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi all. > It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing > low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not > a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here > at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just > 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:39:08 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul and all Just looking at the Darwin radar for today showed that nothing happened around Pt Keats....doh! There was a little action just south of Darwin, but nothing of the scale I was expecting. Although, it seemed that Hector fired over the Tiwis. You see anything interesting Paul? Anyway, for those interested, I will be heading to Darwin on the 10th (Wednesday) and coming back to Melbourne on the 19th. I'll be in Darwin for the first and last days, but will be stationed out at Katherine for the other days. So, here's hoping for some storm action during my stay, and thus explains my interest in Darwin's weather ATM. Looks like forecasting storms may be harder than I anticipated. For the record, I'll also be going up in Nov (15-20) and Dec (11-16) but will be at Garden Point on Melville Island getting up close and personal with Hector! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:36:39 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI Robert, Yep - plenty of action around this morning, and some afternoon junk. Goes to show there are more factors involved then we thought? You should see Hector in November, but I doubt in December. Normally monsoon surge has set in, and he disappears to March. If you are in Darwin, lets catch up? Mobile is 0438024372 Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:09 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Port Keats gets nothing! Hi Paul and all Just looking at the Darwin radar for today showed that nothing happened around Pt Keats....doh! There was a little action just south of Darwin, but nothing of the scale I was expecting. Although, it seemed that Hector fired over the Tiwis. You see anything interesting Paul? Anyway, for those interested, I will be heading to Darwin on the 10th (Wednesday) and coming back to Melbourne on the 19th. I'll be in Darwin for the first and last days, but will be stationed out at Katherine for the other days. So, here's hoping for some storm action during my stay, and thus explains my interest in Darwin's weather ATM. Looks like forecasting storms may be harder than I anticipated. For the record, I'll also be going up in Nov (15-20) and Dec (11-16) but will be at Garden Point on Melville Island getting up close and personal with Hector! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:04:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:05:47.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D64EE00:01C14E67] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane. All I can say is Geeeezzzz, and congratulations.regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 8:27 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:21:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:23:00.0663 (UTC) FILETIME=[055DFC70:01C14E6A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert and all. I had a 'mini' chase to the south of Leopold around 1300, as a maturing multicell drifted off shore near Barwon Heads,initially only showing good low to mid level updrafts, over the space of 5 minutes started to produce an overshoot and then form a not bad looking wall cloud under the rain free base,my video worked fine and I managed to get a few stills as well,the activity down this way over the past 10 days has been nothing short of phenomenal. regards clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Goler To: Aussie-wx Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > > Hi all > > Well like Jane, I also took off to the east. I captured some lightning on > video, but unfortunately the best lightning I saw I was unable to get it > on video. I suppose it's like the one that got away :-) > My shots can be seen here: > > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_06/today.html > > And Jane's shots are up at: > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm > > And I love the rainbow and cows shot!!!! > > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Evening all, > > > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > > ages.... > > > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > > > aaah, spring!! > > > > Jane > > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:15:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 13:16:26.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A525320:01C14E69] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Yep just spotted the vorticity location at 2300 to be just off Lorne and moving east, I was a bit puzzled by the 1600 synoptic showing the low near to the north of Tasmania,when at that time it seems to be just south of Mt Gambier?.Should be some action on Sunday too. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. > Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), > > Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & > Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak > temps & here it is mid-spring) > > Check Melbourne 512km radar. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > Hi all. > > It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the > developing > > low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold > and not > > a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another > thunderstorm here > > at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm > in just > > 8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve > H. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 23:52:18 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Morning glory wave clouds off California Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Me again (ohh, not again!) This was sent to me last week. It is an animated satellite image showing the development and propagation of morning glory type wave clouds off the coast of California. The sequence of images is from Sep 30 ~10am local time to 5pm local time (California local time). Make sure Java is on before you run this, as it is pretty boring otherwise :) http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc/010930/010930_vis_anim.html Also seen in the first few frames of the image (below centre) are von Karman vortices in the wake of the small island just off the coast in the stratocu. A general description on how the morning glory waves form is that first of all you need a stable layer at the surface (ie temperature increases with height, ie a temperature inversion). SSTs off the California coast are relatively cold and with the easterly wind (as determined by the movement of the cloud over land; see still image at bottom of webpage), warm air from over the land would be advected over the water, and so would increase the stability of the air close to the water. Looking at the 21:00UT image seems to show the development of a weak NW-SE line of Cbs or large Cjs, which seem to increase in size to the SE (ie possibly their anvils are present). Cbs produce rain and downdrafts (even Cjs produce moderate downdrafts), and this downward motion would provide an impulse or kick to vertically displace downward a part of the stable layer. Due to it's stability the stable layer will want to expand upward to it's original position, and so like a spring which is compressed, will expand back until it goes beyond it's equilibrium point, and then will be stretched until it starts to contract and again goes past its equilibrium position....etc, thus creating a series of up and down motions, ie waves. So, when a parcel of air is raised vertically to the point where it cools and condensation will occur, cloud will form, and so the crests of the waves will be marked by the cloud bands. The gaps in the clouds are where downward motion is occuring, and so the air is warming and the cloud is evaporating., Also the fact that the clouds are semi-circular and expand away from a point indicates that there was only a small region of initial impulse, ie perhaps only one significant downdraft. Anyway, I thought that this may be interesting. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.4] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 14:20:32 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 14:20:33.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F233B50:01C14E72] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, Yes today saw some more storms through south and west Gippsland.I myself tracked a great line of storms through the NW end of the Strzelecki ranges (yes windy and one can get lost very easily without knowing the roads/region)as this is where the most severe part of the storm/line of storms appeared it would track.I witnessed lots of CG's, hail on many occasions (partly white paddocks and hail covered roads at times),lots of thunder and some biting winds.The gustfront on this storm was great and had lots of scud movement :). On returning back to the coast i discovered that i had missed out on one of the most photogenic shelf clouds in quite some time as the western end of this line of storms really got going *grrr..D'oh.. :< * .friends have explained to me that it looked a little similar to this excellent one photographed by Ben Quinn in Brisbane only darker,straighter and also stretching out over the ocean!! http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml (i had my mate looking at pics to show me what it best resembled)- just to torture myself on something i had missed.. hehee anyway it was still a fun arvo and here's hoping for more action tomorrow :) kind regards Tony Middleton http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 > >Evening all, > >Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. >Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I >discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of >Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for >ages.... > >What is at the end of a rainbow? > >No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - >it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of >this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was >death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > >Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by >10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown >horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > >aaah, spring!! > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:16:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Site is now 100% up and running. (links and all that, still working on the report and links page) 3 new features from today; 1. it is now in frame format, with a "quick link" frame on the right 2. The opening page has a new title picture, tell me what you think of it. i thinks it pretty good for stuffing around, i espcially like the way the background comes through even though it an actual part of the picture (download it and see!!!) 3. on the page titled "creek" there is now a photo of the normal flow of the creek and the after effect of a 20 minute downpour!!!( down the bottom) Also i am still waiting on permission to add a link to anyones site, ATM i have Phil Smiths Ok to do so and i would greatly appreciate your OK. Pls email me and your site address Hope you all find my site decent, i think its good for only 5 days work (and only 2 of those days i could put my full attention to it!) Cheers Simon Angell Canberra ACT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. > > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Olsen" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > hey, > > > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > something, > > but, what actually is the site? > > > > Cheers, > > Michael Olsen > > > > > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: > > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one picture > that > > >doesnt but i am working on it! > > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours and add a > > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding stuff > and > > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will add > > >links > > >to it. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sat Pics Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:08:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2001 23:09:43.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBEC41E0:01C14EBB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
Just curious if anyone can tell me what the interesting cloud/thing is in the Illawarra (??) region of NSW on the sat pics this morning...given the curent situation I'd have to say it looks like a bushfire....
 
Any thoughts...
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sat Pics Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:23:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Macca That "thing" was the most awesome set of cloud waves/streets that I have seen in a very long time. From about 7:55am to 8:25am they passed over Sydney at a fair clip. Really well defined waves with jet streaks through them as well. Very strong middle level westerlies and topography to blame I would think combined with quite a stable atmosphere. Guess who didn't have their video :< We tried to get some footage of it here to use on the channel but the cable wasn't long enough to reach the window lol Anyway, a nice start to the morning. It is getting light here now at 4:30am...oh dear. Matt ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: aus-wx: Sat Pics Morning all, Just curious if anyone can tell me what the interesting cloud/thing is in the Illawarra (??) region of NSW on the sat pics this morning...given the curent situation I'd have to say it looks like a bushfire.... Any thoughts... Regards, Andrew McDonald +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: What a shocker Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:41:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com What a shocker of a day. Misty rain and windy. Wind-chill here at present of exactly zero. What month is this? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:34:48 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Hi Bellarine Peninsula & Otway Coast residents (and the rest of us ), > >Nice low pressure system you have down there rolling across Cape Otway & >Lorne atm!!! 500hPa temps of -27C (they're mid winter cold outbreak >temps & here it is mid-spring) > >Check Melbourne 512km radar. > >Jane You are right about the air Jane. It's been seriously cold and very windy in Adelaide for the last 24 hours as well! A few fairly high based cold anvils yesterday, just drizzly low topped stuff today, but still windy and only 10 degrees at 9.00am. Another 5mm of rain overnight and Adelaide has now had something like 100mm over its annual rainfall by the end of the first week in October! Certainly there are a large number of 9 and 10 deciles in the SA rain records at the moment, and some all time records as well.... Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Anthony Spierings" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: What a shocker Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 11:38:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Bussie, Why, the month is Summer :) In Brisbane it is (11:15 AM) 31.0C, 24% Rel Hum. Not a cloud in the sky! At least you have had some rain. It is costing a small fortune in water to keep the garden half alive (or water in the tanks). Regards, Anthony Spierings +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:30:49 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, 11:26AM For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's currently 6 degrees. There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. Cool to mild??? I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 11:42:08 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Snow/Hail Reported: Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hail has been reported on top of Mt Panorama and snow 20 mins away - no doubt in the high ground to the SW. I would be a little (but not greatly) surprised if the latter were entirely true. Sleet may well be falling though as is the case in Taralga. These reports are from the TV coverage! Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 12:02:21 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: SNOW!!! Taralga Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 11:58AM It's snowing here in Taralga! The temp has plumeted to 2 degrees and there have been plenty of big white flakes in amongst the sleet! This means reports of snow near Bathurst are true - Oberon by looks of the radar will be having a good old fall of it. It makes me fume that a mug like me picked the possibility of this earlier in the week (see my posts from Friday) and until midday today the BoM had "cool to mild" as the forecast! What's the deal with that??? Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Wintry hail shower at Blackheath NSW; snow at Orange? Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:26:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had a 10 minute shower of small (~1-2mm) hail at Blackheath, with all the precipitation frozen. Hardly enough to register in the gauge, but the interesting thing was the temperature which remained around 7.5 in my screen. At Mt Boyce it dropped to 5.7 just before 1pm with a dew point of -1.6, so I think the low DPs are helping frozen precip reach the ground. The Oberon observer reported light overnight snow. Radar is showing light showers moving across the Taralga to Oberon area, and the 1pm Orange temp had dropped to 3.2 with 0.2mm in the gauge, so the colder air seems to be going farther north than the Bureau expected. Thredbo Crackenback's 1pm temp was -3.2, and there was 5cm snow cover at the Village weather station at 9am. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Thunderstorms in Victoria... Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:47:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >From: "clyve herbert" >Subject: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. > >Hi all. >It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the >developing >low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and >not >a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm >here >at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in >just >8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve Geez Clyve... half your luck. We had a terrific hail squall with the frontal passage yesterday afternoon (just small but thick and moving "horizontal") but no thunder. Looking at the current batch of progs, you should have a reasonable chance of a thunderstorm on Wedneday or Thursday, with a significant low expected to develop as the moist unstable air over the centre of the continents starts to interact with an amplifying cold trough in the bight. BTW people... you might be interested to know that I have just shifted from Box Hill (middle Melbourne suburbs) to a house at 400 metres elevations on the south-side of the Dandenong Ranges at Ferny Creek (a kinda town, ~32km east of GPO) - this partly explains my absence from the list.... The house site sits 150 metres vertically and ~1 kilometre horizontally from the Dunns Hill AWS avaliable on the bom website. For the true nutters... the estimated mean rainfall is about 1400mm a year, with (approx) 2 snow days a year.. which goes a long way towards explaining the alpine ash and ~30 foot tree ferns in the backyard. The site should make a great vantage point for viewing cold outbreaks... I'll keep you all posted. Anyway, back to unpacking. Cheers, David Jones d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:53:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip of 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I checked the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff top), is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect the real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in the mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly transient temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts have swept by: 6.3 noon 4.2 12.18pm 7.2 12.42 3.2 13.00 5.8 14.00 7.5 15.00 It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:02:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all !
 
You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it.
 
Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain later in the week. It is very very dry !
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Met Support 3" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:13:22 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, I recall the time it snowed in Sydney back in 1986. Don White wrote in a previous e-mail that it was really soft hail as it was too warm for true snow. The media reported it as snow. Anyway, I recall seeing flakes falling, they are very distinctive (the way they were falling, they were definitely snow flakes, I am sure). The temperature at the time must have been around 6 degrees. Paul G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip of > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I checked > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff top), > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect the > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in the > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly transient > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > have swept by: > > 6.3 noon > 4.2 12.18pm > 7.2 12.42 > 3.2 13.00 > 5.8 14.00 > 7.5 15.00 > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > Laurier > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 18:09:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It did :-) Made for some very interesting racing. Sunny on some parts of the circuit yet hail on other parts causing a few smashes. Must be hard on the pit crews to decide whether to use wet tyres or dry's. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Miskelly" To: Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:30 AM Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga > Hi all, > > 11:26AM > > For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's > currently 6 degrees. > > There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers > indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I > think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. > Cool to mild??? > > I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... > > Andrew. > > -- > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > Andrew Miskelly > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 19:05:45 +1000 From: David Carroll X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst Action - Weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI all. Yes what a day it was in Bathurst, all 4 seasons in one day.. I sat and watched race all day and listened to radio scanner with all the action. While Mt panorama had their special little clouds and rain. At my place their was nothing, it was sunshine. Im 5 min walk from track. Just to change topic for a second.. Before race this morning, there was a major incident that involved a member of the public who had a tractor and was trying to drive onto race track and cause a major disturbance to IMG. 2 race officials had to forcefully remove the guy from tractor advised by Race Control director.. 2 people were injured during this scuffle, no mention of this has been mentioned anywhere.. Im sure TV and media crews will publish it.. Luckily person was restrained before race start.. Sorry for OFF TOPIC there !! Hope you all enjoyed the Bx weather, which seems to happen each race year.. ANTI MT PANORAMA CLOUD.. Dave Bathurst Mt Panorama Frequency Page http://www.hotkey.net.au/~davidkc/ Bussie wrote: > > It did :-) Made for some very interesting racing. Sunny on some parts of the > circuit yet hail on other parts causing a few smashes. Must be hard on the > pit crews to decide whether to use wet tyres or dry's. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Miskelly" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 11:30 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Falling: Taralga > > > Hi all, > > > > 11:26AM > > > > For the second time this week, sleet is falling in Taralga. It's > > currently 6 degrees. > > > > There's more very nice glaciated clouds just to the SW with showers > > indicated on radar underneath them. Also for the second time this week I > > think the BoM's forecast bears no relation to what is really happening. > > Cool to mild??? > > > > I wonder if any of this will get to Bathurst this arvo... > > > > Andrew. > > > > -- > > > > Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around > > at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. > > > > Andrew Miskelly > > amiskelly at ozemail.com.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:06:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my estimate. Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature made around 23-24C. Michael Thompson http://ozthunder.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 17:38:21 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thunderstorms in Victoria... Off topic ;-) From: David Simpson To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On 7/10/01 15:47, "David Jones" wrote: > Box Hill (middle Melbourne suburbs) to a house at 400 metres elevations on > the south-side of the Dandenong Ranges at Ferny Creek (a kinda town, ~32km > east of GPO) - this partly explains my absence from the list.... The house > site sits 150 metres vertically and ~1 kilometre horizontally from the Dunns > Hill AWS avaliable on the bom website. For the true nutters... the estimated > mean rainfall is about 1400mm a year, with (approx) 2 snow days a year.. > which goes a long way towards explaining the alpine ash and ~30 foot tree > ferns in the backyard. The site should make a great vantage point for > viewing cold outbreaks... And perhaps why you moved there...... (quietly turns as green a a tree fern thinking about all the Dunns Hill ob's read ... Hope you have a good heater) Davo +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropical Plume. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 02:34:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2001 16:35:31.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[14BA1F70:01C14F4E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all night owls. The tropical moisture plume that has sporadically been dropping out of the very persistent area of moisture west and south west of Indonesia over the past few months is on the move again, this time dragged southward along a strengthening sub tropical jet and deepening long wave trough west of WA, seems to be heading for the southwest of that state, also another wave of cold air pushing towards the Aus Bight region looks very interesting for the Australian region over the next few days.regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 08:21:07 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul.. I think that you were where I was in 1986 and if you were there were no big flakes - temp of 6-7 yes but vertical profile would have been quite different to today. Cheers, Don W Met Support 3 wrote: > > Hi Laurier, > I recall the time it snowed in Sydney back in 1986. Don > White wrote in a previous e-mail that it was really soft hail as it was too > warm for true snow. The media reported it as snow. Anyway, I recall seeing > flakes falling, they are very distinctive (the way they were falling, they > were definitely snow flakes, I am sure). The temperature at the time must > have been around 6 degrees. > Paul G. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurier Williams" > To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2001 3:53 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains > > > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip > of > > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I > checked > > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff > top), > > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect > the > > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in > the > > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly > transient > > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > > have swept by: > > > > 6.3 noon > > 4.2 12.18pm > > 7.2 12.42 > > 3.2 13.00 > > 5.8 14.00 > > 7.5 15.00 > > > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > > > Laurier > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: October 2nd Pics Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:23:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2001 23:25:28.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[59500440:01C14F87] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
I took some captures of that "twisting" updraft tot he east of Melbourne on Tuesday last week and Jane has kindly put them up for me on the following page at MSC:
 
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/02_10_01.htm
 
The first 5 captures at the top are from an earlier cell.  The first of the next six captures was an updraft on the persistent (but relatively weak) multicell which was situated over the outer western suburbs.  The remaining 5 captures are the "twisting" updraft. 
 
Below my captures are some other photos from that day by Jane O'Neill and Ross Buscall.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 09:50:51 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:16:16 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don I would certainly be interested. They would be a great addition to our library. Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Don White Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 9:51 AM To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:28:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Don, don't even consider throwing them out!!!! They should become part of the ASWA Archive. I'll be in line for them unless someone else grabs them first. Jane ONeill Hi all... I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are bound. So, it is either give them away or chuck them Is anyone interested? Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might be interested. If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! Thanks Don White e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brief snow on the Blue Mountains To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:27:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > There was a short shower of mixed small (~1 to 2mm) hail and snow flakes > > > (~7mm) here just after 2pm. The temperature in my screen at the time was > > > 6.1, though Mt Boyce at 2pm was 4.6 with DP of -0.2. The Katoomba observer > > > reported past snow at their 3pm observation. The Oberon observer reported > > > "snow has fallen throughout day and settled at times" with 9 to 3 precip > > of > > > 0.6mm, a 3pm temp of 4.3 (DP -1.3) and a max of 5, 12 below normal. > > > > > > I can't recall seeing snow *flakes* fall at a higher temperature. I > > checked > > > the thermometer as I watched the flakes fall and am certain as to both the > > > temperature reading and the fact that they were unmelted snowflakes. My > > > thermometers are standard Bureau pattern Dobbie Brothers mercury in glass > > > accurate to 0.1 degree, and the Bureau-standard Stevenson screen exposure, > > > while more sheltered than Mt Boyce (which is 60m higher and on a cliff > > top), > > > is reasonable given that there was a 20 knot wind at the time. I suspect > > the > > > real temperature may have been a little lower, however, with latency in > > the > > > mercury-in-glass thermometer making it slow to respond to a fairly > > transient > > > temperature change in a brief downdraft accompanying the snow. At Orange > > > Airport, the AWS temperature has yoyoed during the afternoon as downdrafts > > > have swept by: > > > > > > 6.3 noon > > > 4.2 12.18pm > > > 7.2 12.42 > > > 3.2 13.00 > > > 5.8 14.00 > > > 7.5 15.00 > > > > > > It reported 0.6mm between 12.42 and 14.00. > > > > > > Laurier My notes from a bit further south: I was at Badja (~1100m, 35km east of Cooma) yesterday morning. There was no precipitation there and skies were generally sunny, but there was a strong W/SW wind (estimated average 20-25 knots) and it was decidedly chilly, probably mid-single figures; nice when running (it was the weekend of the Australian Orienteering Championships) but pretty chilly before starting and after finishing. On the way back to Melbourne (at about 2 p.m) I saw very light lying snow in sheltered locations at one point on the road from Badja to Nimmitabel - don't have an exact elevation but I'd guess 1100-1200. As others have noted, Thredbo Village (1350m) reported 5cm lying snow at 0900 yesterday, and there must have been some reasonably substantial snow at Kiandra because one of our team members got an SMS reporting a snowball fight between the WA and SA schools teams! (The latter are currently commencing their four-day bus trip home, thanks, or no thanks, to Ansett). Based on these obs I'd say we were near or below the potential snow line at Badja, but missed out because of a lack of moisture. On the way back, it was pretty windy on the Monaro (and driving a minibus in 25-knot crosswinds is not a lot of fun), and there was steady rain east of Bairnsdale in Gippsland, with showers penetrating inland to the Monaro. Rainfall totals I've seen seem to be in the 20-40mm range. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: American Met Mag. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:00:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 01:02:01.0182 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6470FE0:01C14F94] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm not sure but the BoM library might also be interested........ Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Don White To: Aussie Weather Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. > Hi all... > > I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - > complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are > bound. > > So, it is either give them away or chuck them > Is anyone interested? > Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might > be interested. > If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! > > Thanks > > > Don White > e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 12:14:20 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Iain T. Johnstone" Subject: aus-wx: TC01S Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Tropical Cyclone in S. Indian Ocean now being reported by JTWC: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt BOM still calling it a low: http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW10900.txt Tom Madison, WI, USA +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: " Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:16:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my thoughts... Craig -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my estimate. Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature made around 23-24C. 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Hi Craig, Michael,

It was quite balmy down in the Illawarra so I wouldn't doubt Michaels obs. Swimming through numerous steins of German beer at the Oktoberfest at Berkeley to begin a bucks weekend was made even harder given the warmth. Sunday was quite the opposite and not being a huge motor-racing fan I must say the most interesting part of the race was watching the hail blowing across the track and then the numerous shots of showers and picking the snow streaks on the Blue Mountains when they panned out.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Arthur [mailto:z2211415 at student.unsw.edu.au]
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 10:17 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with
visible weak cold CB's


Hi Michael,

I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany
Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite
nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my
thoughts...

Craig

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Thompson
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible
weak cold CB's


Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the
ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my
estimate.

Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach,  and when the
NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature
made around 23-24C.

Michael Thompson
http://ozthunder.com


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From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: aus-wx: info needed Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:55:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all if anyone has lightning tracker, wagga and sydney radar between 3:50pm and 5:30pm on the tuesday 2/10/2001,(or any other useful info) can you pls email them to me at simon at winnet.com.au as i would like them for my webpage. i am still working hard on the site and my efforts right now are with the side buttons, although i do like them, I will however still work on them as to make them "flow" more with the theme of my page. Cheers Simon Angell Canberra ACT www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Yes,
 
Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C at 10:00pm.  The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer!  But very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just 1% mid afternoon.  Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am.
 
Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one.
 
John.
>snip
Hi all !
 
You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it.
 
Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain later in the week. It is very very dry !
 
 
Regards
Simon
X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: "Spacegirl ." To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 10:39:03 +0800 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! Very hot, dry day though! Seona -----Original Message----- From: "John Woodbridge" Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane > Yes, > > Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C > at 10:00pm. The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer! But > very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just > 1% mid afternoon. Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around > 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am. > > Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day > rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one. > > John. > >snip > > Hi all ! > > You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm > (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus > in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past > hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it. > > Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this > time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain > later in the week. It is very very dry ! > > > Regards > Simon > -- _______________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here to get it now! http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=NH211JK&url=http://commcenter.net2phone.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: American Met Mag. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:49:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We should already have a complete set, but I'll check to make sure there are no gaps that this might fill. Blair > I'm not sure but the BoM library might also be interested........ > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don White > To: Aussie Weather > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 9:50 AM > Subject: aus-wx: American Met Mag. > > > > Hi all... > > > > I have 30 years of the Bulletin of the American Met Society (from 1972 - > > complete) but no longer have the room for them. some of the years are > > bound. > > > > So, it is either give them away or chuck them > > Is anyone interested? > > Or, does anyone know of anyone or any instiutution (library) that might > > be interested. > > If so, please let me know - free to a good or any home !! > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Don White > > e-mail above or ph 0417 248705 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:46:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That sounds like one of my chases Tony - whenever i chase thinking i'll be better off than here at home Redcliffe gets slaughtered December 16 , 1998 - 5cm hail and a spectacular shelf cloud from a northward moving supercell - i was out of town, saw no storm features, got a few drops of rain and drove into 1 (yes ONE) hailstone, which cracked my windscreen July 10, 200 - a good winter chase SW of Brisbane but while sitting at a lookout feeling pretty happy with the day a storm was dropping 8cm hail NW of Redcliffe and eventually a spectacular laminar shelf cloud moved practically right over my house January 17, 2001 - An awesome evening chase but early the next morning i decided to chase a developing storm which was moving NE - i went NW to intercept it, the storm turned E 10 minutes after i walked out the door and dropped tennis ball hail 3km's south of my house (mind you i did get photos of the hail and saw plenty of lightning) I should let the BOM know when i'm going out on a chase - they could prepare the storm warning for Redcliffe in advance :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "T Middleton" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland > hi all, > Yes today saw some more storms through south and west Gippsland.I myself > tracked a great line of storms through the NW end of the Strzelecki ranges > (yes windy and one can get lost very easily without knowing the > roads/region)as this is where the most severe part of the storm/line of > storms appeared it would track.I witnessed lots of CG's, hail on many > occasions (partly white paddocks and hail covered roads at times),lots of > thunder and some biting winds.The gustfront on this storm was great and had > lots of scud movement :). > On returning back to the coast i discovered that i had missed out on one of > the most photogenic shelf clouds in quite some time as the western end of > this line of storms really got going *grrr..D'oh.. :< * .friends have > explained to me that it looked a little similar to this excellent one > photographed by Ben Quinn in Brisbane only darker,straighter and also > stretching out over the ocean!! > http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml > (i had my mate looking at pics to show me what it best resembled)- just to > torture myself on something i had missed.. hehee > anyway it was still a fun arvo and here's hoping for more action tomorrow :) > > kind regards Tony Middleton > http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils > > > > > > > >From: "Jane ONeill" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: "Aussie-wx" > >Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:27:46 +1000 > > > >Evening all, > > > >Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > >Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > >discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > >Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > >ages.... > > > >What is at the end of a rainbow? > > > >No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > >it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > >this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > >death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > > >Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > >10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > >horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > > >aaah, spring!! > > > >Jane > > > >-------------------------------- > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > >Melbourne Storm Chasers > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > >ASWA - Victoria > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 13:32:02 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. X-Mailer: WorldClient Pro 2.2.0 X-MDRcpt-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.0.2 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just looked now and it's coming together really well. Good work. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672 -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 02:16:18 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > Hi all. > > Site is now 100% up and running. (links and all that, still working on > the > report and links page) > > 3 new features from today; > 1. it is now in frame format, with a "quick link" frame on the > right > 2. The opening page has a new title picture, tell me what you think > of > it. i thinks it pretty good for stuffing around, i espcially like the > way > the background comes through even though it an actual part of the > picture > (download it and see!!!) > 3. on the page titled "creek" there is now a photo of the normal > flow of > the creek and the after effect of a 20 minute downpour!!!( down the > bottom) > > Also i am still waiting on permission to add a link to anyones site, > ATM i > have Phil Smiths Ok to do so and i would greatly appreciate your OK. > Pls > email me and your site address > > Hope you all find my site decent, i think its good for only 5 days work > (and > only 2 of those days i could put my full attention to it!) > > Cheers > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Angell" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > sorry, i have posted it earlier and forgot to this time. > > > > www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Olsen" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:15 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: my site. > > > > > > > hey, > > > > > > This might sound like a stupid qeustion... or i might have missed > > something, > > > but, what actually is the site? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Michael Olsen > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Simon Angell" > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: aus-wx: my site. > > > >Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:59:22 +1000 > > > > > > > >My sites up and running with 95% of it working. I know of one > picture > > that > > > >doesnt but i am working on it! > > > >Also i will "tweak" the format a little over the next few hours > and add > a > > > >frame to the side, also over the next week or so i will be adding > stuff > > and > > > >anyone with there own websites, if you give your permission i will > add > > > >links > > > >to it. > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 15:40:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 05:39:09.0394 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D76DB20:01C14FBB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks
 
Dave Ellem
Wollongbar
Northern Rivers
NE NSW
From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 16:16:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
G'day Dave
 
I noticed something simiilar here yesterday.  There were several large fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same area.  It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to produce echo's on radar?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar??

Hi All,
I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks
 
Dave Ellem
Wollongbar
Northern Rivers
NE NSW
X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 06:37:25 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2001 06:37:25.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[B15C7C90:01C14FC3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All Well I had a lovely sunday with lots of cold Air Cbs all over the place around Ballarat, with my chase vehicle back in operation after a lenghty overhaul, I took it for a cruise to Learmonth and Back, incountered many Cells with lots of nice rain curtains and hail shafts, it was great got a few pics with the digi cam so I am currently burning them to a Cd, I prob have oh about 200 odd pics since I brought the darn thing, hehehehe. Looks Like Vic is ready for more spring time weather with another front due here late wednesday night. I'd like to get some info on the big (TDU2001/02?) storm chase ASWA does every summer, I'm thinking of coming along. Cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather >From: "Andrew" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Central Vic Weather >Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 12:46:21 +1000 > >Afternoon all, > >Interesting afternoon in central Victoria today. Forecast is for showers >with the chance of a thunderstorm with hail this afternoon. Currently a >few moderate showers pulsing into the yellow on green on radar are working >their way across Melbourne with some nice dark bases and some moderate TCu >going up. The front is out to the west and a few low topped CB's can be >seen through the gaps in the cloud out to the west. Going by this >morning's sounding convection will not get above about 400mb (at best) but >quite cold air is moving into the middle layers so some moderate low topped >CB's with some strongish updrafts are possible this afternoon. >Temperatures are creeping in to the mid-teens across central Victoria and >dewpoints are around 8-10C. Something to keep us interested for the >weekend. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:22:08 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Dave,Ben and others, I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A bad example though. :( Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) Best Regards, Malcolm Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > G'day Dave >   > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday.  There were several large > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > area.  It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > produce echo's on radar? >   > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi All, > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks >   > Dave Ellem > Wollongbar > Northern Rivers > NE NSW > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mossman" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 18:37:15 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Talking about Les lemon - where has he disappeared too? I havnt read one of his informative emails for ages! Paul. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of NinnesM at franklins.com.au Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:52 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Hi Dave,Ben and others, I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A bad example though. :( Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) Best Regards, Malcolm Ninnes (Western Sydney) > ---------- > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > G'day Dave > > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday. There were several large > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > area. It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > produce echo's on radar? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi All, > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks > > Dave Ellem > Wollongbar > Northern Rivers > NE NSW > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Subject: aus-wx: New chase equipment Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:10:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the ultimate chase video camera http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID =1002525541770 PaulY Paul Yole Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA Cell # - +61 418 369 256 Home# - +61 35 385 2699 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:49:26 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chase equipment Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Paul Yole wrote: > Hey all, > > Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. > Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the > ultimate chase video camera > > http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P > RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID > =1002525541770 Gees, at that price I'd expect it to be able to drive my car AND navigate its way to the storms as well!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 19:44:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Craig I was referring too Saturday. I sent the message on Saturday, but it did not reach the list until Sunday, therefore the confusion. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: " Craig Arthur" To: Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2001 22:16 Subject: RE: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible weak cold CB's > Hi Michael, > > I didn't see any semblance of a sea breeze where I was - sailing on Botany > Bay in around 20-25 kts of west-southwesterly. The cold air Cb's were quite > nice though, if anything I thought they were really shallow. Just my > thoughts... > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 20:07 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: The strange site of people at the beach with visible > weak cold CB's > > > Funny afternoon in the Illawarra with several weak virga showers along the > ranges. These showed a visible snow line at a little over 2000m in my > estimate. > > Yet a the surface we had people enjoying a swim at the beach, and when the > NE seabreeze gave way late in the afternoon to a NW wind the temperature > made around 23-24C. > > Michael Thompson > http://ozthunder.com > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:11:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Paul, Les is doing quite a bit of travelling & isn't on the aus-wx list atm - but I have passed this email on to him & I'm sure we'll hear from him shortly. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Talking about Les lemon - where has he disappeared too? I havnt read one of > his informative emails for ages! > > Paul. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > NinnesM at franklins.com.au > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:52 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi Dave,Ben and others, > > I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA > NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as > seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler > radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). > > I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma > City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A > bad example though. :( > > Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp > gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a > fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off > the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. > <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then > returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a > line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to > smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) > > Best Regards, > Malcolm Ninnes > (Western Sydney) > > > > ---------- > > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > G'day Dave > > > > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday. There were several large > > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > > area. It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > > produce echo's on radar? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > Hi All, > > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks > > > > Dave Ellem > > Wollongbar > > Northern Rivers > > NE NSW > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p257-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.3] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:29:28 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Latest photos - including Bulahdelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, For those who may be interested particularly in light of recent dicussions, they may want to check out some of the recent photographs - four films developed including the Bulahdelah chase. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20011006.html http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2001100602.html latter photos dated 2nd an 3rd October were the most recent chases namely Camden and including looking at S Coast storms. 3rd was obviously the Bulahdelah event. Some more photos were still in the camera - namely based on the last two photos - we shall have to wait for those. The photos are meant to supplement discussion on supercells. I have had the photos online for a couple of days but forgotten to remind about the link. Oh well. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:52:31 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest photos - including Bulahdelah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Righteo - I've had enough! While it hasn't been said on here, I've had a variety of NSWelshman whinging about their season. Well, I am now going to declare that this must stop immediately or thou shall suffer the wrath of me!!! :-) These photos are great, so were Michael Thompson's and so have been everyone elses photos from the Sydney area over the past week or two! AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hello, > > For those who may be interested particularly in light of recent dicussions, > they may want to check out some of the recent photographs - four films > developed including the Bulahdelah chase. > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20011006.html > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2001100602.html > latter photos dated 2nd an 3rd October were the most recent chases namely > Camden and including looking at S Coast storms. 3rd was obviously the > Bulahdelah event. > > Some more photos were still in the camera - namely based on the last two > photos - we shall have to wait for those. > > The photos are meant to supplement discussion on supercells. I have had the > photos online for a couple of days but forgotten to remind about the link. > Oh well. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port21.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.85] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 20:57:59 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane- Fires! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I saw the same lenticular stuff - very nice and it was mving south away from me, so I couldn't get a worthwhile shot. Let me know how you pics turn out! During the night though, a long lenticular cloud like the one at: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery4.htm (7th photo down the page) ...was across 1/4 or so of the sky - nowhere as long as the one in the pic at above site tho' It had smoke underneath it from fires here, so was not distinct. On the subject of fires - we were struck by an outbreak of many fires here around Elimbah north of Brisbane. Many evacuated from homes last night - fires all around me here, a few kilomtres each way fanned by yesterday's hot westerlies and dry conditions with low humidity. We are suffering real dry up here and there may be more. Fire crews were mopping down fires until well into the night. No major loss of property and no loss of life - lucky this time as we live among the forests here. From what I could see: 3 fires at Elimbah - seems like they were being spawned from flying sparks of original as new outbreaks were in the direction the wind carried smoke. 1 fire/perhaps 2 at Beerburrum (700 hectares of pine forest lost) 1 fire over toward Toorbul/Donnybrook on the coast from here. Here's hoping for real rain soon for much of Australia - I haven't seen it this dry for the 6 or so years I've been here. Regards all, Sel. At 10:39 8/10/01 +0800, you wrote: >Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! > >Very hot, dry day though! > >Seona >-----Original Message----- >From: "John Woodbridge" >Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 11:39:03 +1000 >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane > > >> Yes, >> >> Very warm Sunday at Mt. Crosby, max 32.8C around 1:00am and still above 20C >> at 10:00pm. The pool got it's first serious workout of the summer! But >> very dry air - so dry that my electronic humidity meter actually read just >> 1% mid afternoon. Air is quite a bit cooler today but temps now up around >> 25C and humidity down to 10% around SEQ (7% at BNE airport) at 11:30am. >> >> Curiously at this time last year we were coming towards the end of a 43 day >> rain free spell, currently on day 37 of this one. >> >> John. >> >snip >> >> Hi all ! >> >> You may all be freezing down south, but I can report that it is very warm >> (if not hot!) up here in SE QLD. It's 4pm and I reckon about 30 degrees plus >> in Bayside Brisbane. A hot westerly change has gusted through in the past >> hour, not reducing the temperature, but increasing it. >> >> Not particularly unusual to have westerly wind changes do this at this >> time of the year, but I will say I am looking forward to that forecast rain >> later in the week. It is very very dry ! >> >> >> Regards >> Simon >> > >-- > >_______________________________________________ >Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com >http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > >Have you downloaded the latest calling software from Net2Phone? Click here to get it now! >http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=NH211JK&url=http://com mcenter.net2phone.com/ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:20:42 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC01S Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tom, Its possible to be both at the same time! A tropical depression of insufficient intensity to be named is nevertheless still a Tropical Cyclone and hence is given a number by JTWC. Yes, it is a very hazy area, and of course there are hardly ever any direct observations, but a tropical disturbance is considered to have become a tropical depression (and hence a TC) when it becomes self-sustaining; that is, not dependent on continued environmental forcing to survive. This often occurs with the max wind speeds still below 35 knots. Jonty. On Sun, 7 Oct 2001, Iain T. Johnstone wrote: > > > Tropical Cyclone in S. Indian Ocean now being reported by JTWC: > > https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt > > BOM still calling it a low: > > http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW10900.txt > > Tom > Madison, WI, USA > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:31:58 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com looks like some nice anthropogenic forcing in that last photo ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:27 AM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian chase - Gippsland > Evening all, > > Highly successful chase out towards Yarragon & Morwell this afternoon. > Pics coming - but I thought I'd just share with you something that I > discovered while reversing at speed up a road on the outskirts of > Yarragon & I'm sure it's been bugging the heck out of you all for > ages.... > > What is at the end of a rainbow? > > No, it isn't a pot of gold because I got a photo today that proves it - > it's a herd of cows!!!!! Hey Jimmy don't you love it - at the bottom of > this rainbow was a herd of black & white cows! Now you know why I was > death-defyingly reversing up a public street. > > Pics will be available at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/06_10_01.htm by > 10pm - a wonderful frontal passage 1 - 1.5cm hail being blown > horizontally, winds rocking the car, a panoramic view, cgs all round!! > > aaah, spring!! > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:30:18 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Clyve, I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for TOR's in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne for, way to go Murphy! Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hello Lyle. > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed down > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the Sands > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. From > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto Corio > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards > Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyle Pakula > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic source > of > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harald Richter" > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his own > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian press. > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional Office, > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news bulletins. > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the funnel > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript storm: > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 > km > > AGL > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > northernmost > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > patte > > rn > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > > low-topped > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a surface > > trough/wind shift > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, and > > the wind > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm probably > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL moisture > > quickly > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground up > > to > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground level, > > and > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) sounding > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat running > > into > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot SW > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the 23 > > UTC > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along the > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > mid-level > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in > the > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > > Leopold > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from each > > other. > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in a > > disconnected > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > > Ballarat > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > advected > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on > the > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > combination > > led > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated in > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > vorticity > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > Ratio) > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > proven > > wrong on > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that made > > this > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > tornadic > > are > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne Airport). > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area around > > 1810 LT, > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > level > > of > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > > Harald Richter > > > BMRC > > > PO Box 1289K > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > Australia > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tina Jones" To: Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:37:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good Morning Everyone, I have a question for you all. I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape Processes). I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it by Distance Education if possible. Any takers??? Thanking you in advance. Tina :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:04:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Seona, Yes I watched the same clouds - at one stage I was in the pool with the sun directly behind one the clouds - beautiful rainbow effects around the perimeter. John -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Spacegirl . Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 12:39 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Hot westerly change - Brisbane Up at Mt Coo-tha yesterday afternoon - I observed some very nice looking altocumulus lenticularis forming west of the mountain and disappearing as they crossed the city. The only clouds in the sky! Hopefully my photos worked! Very hot, dry day though! Seona +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) From: Rhett Blanch To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 11:03:55 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Images from 2nd October in Sydney ...and some others Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, I've finally got around to getting some film developed and doing some video caps as well. Video captures from Artarmon NSW looking West on the evening of 2nd October as the storms moved through Sydney. http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/20011002_sydney.htm Images of a storm behind Brisbane from Brisbane airport while waiting for a flight back in April. http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/20010426_brisbane.htm Some sunset photos I took while on a flight from Tamowrth to Sydney late one afternoon some months back. http://www.wilgatree.com/gallery/inland_sunsets.htm Rhett +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:31:54 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vorticity southwest Vic. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. How lucky you are to have 'lovely' weather together with the tormado last Tuesday. We are waiting for our 'thunderstorm season' to begin. It's been warm here in Christchurch, interesting yesterday with official readings at the airport reading 25C whereas I was only 19c and my friend down the road only 20C. Lovely spring over here despite the low rainfall totals, come on quite quickly owing to the recent warm temperatures. As the anticyclone to the east of us looses strength and the low off the coast of Tasmania starts heading our way, we may hope for some 'better' weather, or probably not? It has been a bit warmer here for the time of year and if we get some colder air moving over us, there will a better chance of thunderstorms to develop. At the moment there has been no thunder development or by the charts no indication of any thunderstorm development over NZ with the passing trough. Thunderstorm activity has been quite slack here in eastern districts so far this spring! Wednesday , here may have some hope but we will will see what happens. JohnGaul NZTS - more than just thunder At 19:13 6/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all. >It seems at the moment the area of vorticity associated with the developing >low has come ashore at Portland Vic, the cold air pool is very cold and not >a bad field of cold air following behind....We had another thunderstorm here >at Leopold today with a wind gust of 82kph at 1421 and another 8.2mm in just >8 minutes, this is the 5th thunder day in about 10 days..regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: ASWA group in the ACT Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 12:22:39 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 02:22:40.0173 (UTC) FILETIME=[44F43DD0:01C15069] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

I'm trying to convene an Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) group in the ACT. Currently ACT members are part of the larger NSW group.  If there are enough people interested in being in the ASWA and meeting in the ACT on a regular or ad hoc basis to talk about weather on a formal or informal basis, then could they drop me a line at 'mskikey at hotmail.com' and let me know what sort of group they might be interested in participating in. This group may also be of interest to people who live in the Southern Tablelands or thereabouts. To find out more details about the ASWA, go the website at: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/

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From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:39:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tina, I have just finished a degree in Applied Mathematics and Physics at UNSW, and I specialised in Oceanography and Atmospheric modelling. This sounds scary, but in the process, I did a few excellent subjects in Meteorology - Introduction to Meteorology and Oceanography and Atmospheric Physics. They are second year subjects (maths and physics respectively) but are designed to introduce students to the field. They don't focus heavily on the mathematics or physics. I did these subjects and they actually got me interested in weather as a possible career. If you would like any more info, let me know and I can put you in contact with the relevant people. Cheers, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Tina Jones To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? > Good Morning Everyone, > > I have a question for you all. > > I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a > weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape > Processes). > > I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I > had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it > by Distance Education if possible. > > Any takers??? > > Thanking you in advance. > > Tina :-) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 12:41:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 02:42:27.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[08955920:01C1506C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lyle. I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Pakula To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hey Clyve, > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for TOR's > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne for, > way to go Murphy! > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hello Lyle. > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees and > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > down > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > Sands > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter etc, > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that they > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > From > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > Corio > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. regards > > Clyve Herbert. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Lyle Pakula > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > source > > of > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet to > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > own > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > press. > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > Office, > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > bulletins. > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > funnel > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in the > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > storm: > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the storm > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at 1 > > km > > > AGL > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > northernmost > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated with > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > patte > > > rn > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would be > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's extremely > > > low-topped > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > surface > > > trough/wind shift > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > and > > > the wind > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > probably > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > moisture > > > quickly > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the ground > up > > > to > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > level, > > > and > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > sounding > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > running > > > into > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 knot > SW > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form the > 23 > > > UTC > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > the > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > mid-level > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds in > > the > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW of > > > Leopold > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too shallow > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > each > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded in > a > > > disconnected > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong to > > > Ballarat > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > advected > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture on > > the > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > combination > > > led > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be accomodated > in > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > vorticity > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > Ratio) > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > proven > > > wrong on > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > made > > > this > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > tornadic > > > are > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse rates > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > Airport). > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > around > > > 1810 LT, > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > level > > > of > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > Harald Richter > > > > BMRC > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > Australia > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------- > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Daley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New chase equipment Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:07:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All I can say, sorry for the short message, I Wish. I don't think I would be able to talk my wife out of buying a house to fund a new video camera, had enough trouble convincing her to let me buy the video camera I have and that was 1/40th the price. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:10 PM Subject: aus-wx: New chase equipment > Hey all, > > Just got shown this, and thought I'd give you all a look. > Remember, it's in US dollars too, but this has to be the > ultimate chase video camera > > http://www.cameraworld.com/cwc/products/product_detail.jsp?P > RODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=590323&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=139525&bmUID > =1002525541770 > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA > Editor - ASWA Online Newsletter > Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA > Cell # - +61 418 369 256 > Home# - +61 35 385 2699 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p438-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.184] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:48:10 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve and all, Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. Just serving as a warning. Jimmy Deguara At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Lyle. >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Lyle Pakula >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for >TOR's > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne >for, > > way to go Murphy! > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "clyve herbert" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees >and > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > down > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > Sands > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter >etc, > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that >they > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > From > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > Corio > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. >regards > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > source > > > of > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet >to > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > own > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > press. > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > Office, > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > bulletins. > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > funnel > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in >the > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the >storm > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at >1 > > > km > > > > AGL > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > northernmost > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated >with > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > patte > > > > rn > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would >be > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's >extremely > > > > low-topped > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > surface > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > and > > > > the wind > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > probably > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > moisture > > > > quickly > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the >ground > > up > > > > to > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > level, > > > > and > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > sounding > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > running > > > > into > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 >knot > > SW > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form >the > > 23 > > > > UTC > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > the > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > mid-level > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds >in > > > the > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW >of > > > > Leopold > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too >shallow > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded >in > > a > > > > disconnected > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong >to > > > > Ballarat > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > advected > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture >on > > > the > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > combination > > > > led > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be >accomodated > > in > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > vorticity > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > Ratio) > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > proven > > > > wrong on > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > made > > > > this > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > tornadic > > > > are > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse >rates > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > Airport). > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > around > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > level > > > > of > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > BMRC > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > Australia > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > url: >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 17:51:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Nothing more than a trace where I live for 36 days. A drought looming. Bushfires flaring.
 
I think drought is probably going to become a very serious weather issue in SE QLD very soon if we don't get substantial widespread spring rains soon.
 
Nothing too optimistic on the horizon though.
 
 
 
Simon
From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:31:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 13:32:19.0942 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1F67060:01C150C6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy. Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Clyve and all, > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > Just serving as a warning. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Lyle. > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Lyle Pakula > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > >TOR's > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > >for, > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees > >and > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > > down > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > > Sands > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > >etc, > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > >they > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > > From > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > > Corio > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > >regards > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > source > > > > of > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet > >to > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > > own > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > press. > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > Office, > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > bulletins. > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > > funnel > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in > >the > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > >storm > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at > >1 > > > > km > > > > > AGL > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated > >with > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > > patte > > > > > rn > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would > >be > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > >extremely > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > surface > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > > and > > > > > the wind > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > probably > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > moisture > > > > > quickly > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > >ground > > > up > > > > > to > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > > level, > > > > > and > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > sounding > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > running > > > > > into > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > >knot > > > SW > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form > >the > > > 23 > > > > > UTC > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > > the > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds > >in > > > > the > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW > >of > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > >shallow > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > > each > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded > >in > > > a > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong > >to > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > > advected > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture > >on > > > > the > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > combination > > > > > led > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > >accomodated > > > in > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > vorticity > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > > proven > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > > made > > > > > this > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > tornadic > > > > > are > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > >rates > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > Airport). > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > around > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > > level > > > > > of > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------- > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > BMRC > > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > > Australia > > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > > url: > >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > > your > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > >your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2001 13:50:33.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DB77FC0:01C150C9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and all. Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the typical mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n 160e central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus today. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p438-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.184] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 00:21:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, Excellent stuff but I advise you and anyone never to give original tapes. Go in with them to the station or even so go to a person who can dub to beta digital as a copy of this footage and let them pay of course. In answer to Macca's request I will see what I can do but no promises made on this. I am no professional but from past experiences, some of my tapes are lost in the universe. Thank God I didn't send original tape. Jimmy Deguara At 11:31 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Jimmy. >Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back >today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. >regards Clyve Herbert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hi Clyve and all, > > > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > > > Just serving as a warning. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Lyle. > > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing >a > > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available >on > > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm >chasers > > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say >is > > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Lyle Pakula > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page >of > > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no >landspout: > > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res >stuff if > > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > > >TOR's > > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > > >for, > > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few >trees > > >and > > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first >toughed > > > > down > > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to >the > > > > Sands > > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > > >etc, > > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock >was > > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > > >they > > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further >east > > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing >significant. > > > > From > > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved >onto > > > > Corio > > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a >large > > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > > >regards > > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > > source > > > > > of > > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis >yet > > >to > > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into >his > > > > own > > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > > press. > > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > > Office, > > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > > bulletins. > > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what >the > > > > funnel > > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base >in > > >the > > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the >tornado, > > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > > >storm > > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) >centred at > > >1 > > > > > km > > > > > > AGL > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was >associated > > >with > > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the >reflectivity > > > > > patte > > > > > > rn > > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR >would > > >be > > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > > >extremely > > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any >lower-topped > > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > > surface > > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were >higher, > > > > and > > > > > > the wind > > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > > probably > > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > > moisture > > > > > > quickly > > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > > >ground > > > > up > > > > > > to > > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at >ground > > > > level, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > > sounding > > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > > running > > > > > > into > > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has >tightened up > > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > > >knot > > > > SW > > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised >form > > >the > > > > 23 > > > > > > UTC > > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been >along > > > > the > > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a >25kt > > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level >winds > > >in > > > > > the > > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and >SW > > >of > > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > > >shallow > > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. >This > > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart >from > > > > each > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was >embedded > > >in > > > > a > > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to >Geelong > > >to > > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to >have > > > > > > advected > > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface >boundary > > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL >moisture > > >on > > > > > the > > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > > combination > > > > > > led > > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > > >accomodated > > > > in > > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > > vorticity > > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched >it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False >Alarm > > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than >being > > > > > proven > > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors >that > > > > made > > > > > > this > > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > > tornadic > > > > > > are > > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > > >rates > > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > > Airport). > > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > > around > > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having >this > > > > > level > > > > > > of > > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > > BMRC > > 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-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:37:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey Tina, which CSU is that? Cheers, Lyle (Colorado State University) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Jones" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:37 PM Subject: aus-wx: Meteorology - Uni Courses?? Off Topic? > Good Morning Everyone, > > I have a question for you all. > > I am currently studying at CSU, applied science. I would like to pick up a > weather subject but CSU has none (other than included in Landscape > Processes). > > I only want a subject, not a degree, does anyone have any suggestions??? I > had been told Armidale (UNE) & Adelaide by someone. I would like to do it > by Distance Education if possible. > > Any takers??? > > Thanking you in advance. > > Tina :-) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:39:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com can't wait to see some nice captures! cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Lyle. > I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a > detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on > the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers > site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is > that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lyle Pakula > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > TOR's > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > for, > > way to go Murphy! > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "clyve herbert" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees > and > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed > > down > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the > > Sands > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > etc, > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > they > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. > > From > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto > > Corio > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > regards > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > source > > > of > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet > to > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his > > own > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > press. > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > Office, > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > bulletins. > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the > > funnel > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in > the > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > storm > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at > 1 > > > km > > > > AGL > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > northernmost > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated > with > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity > > > patte > > > > rn > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would > be > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > extremely > > > > low-topped > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > surface > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, > > and > > > > the wind > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > probably > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > moisture > > > > quickly > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > ground > > up > > > > to > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground > > level, > > > > and > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > sounding > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > running > > > > into > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > knot > > SW > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form > the > > 23 > > > > UTC > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along > > the > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt > > > > mid-level > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds > in > > > the > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW > of > > > > Leopold > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > shallow > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from > > each > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded > in > > a > > > > disconnected > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong > to > > > > Ballarat > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have > > > > advected > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture > on > > > the > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > combination > > > > led > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > accomodated > > in > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > vorticity > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm > > > Ratio) > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being > > > proven > > > > wrong on > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that > > made > > > > this > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > tornadic > > > > are > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > rates > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > Airport). > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > around > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this > > > level > > > > of > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > BMRC > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > Australia > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > url: > http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:13:03 -0400 (EDT) From: David Hart Apparently-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls1.std.com [199.172.62.103]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03183 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scan.pnc.com.au (scan.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.123]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA31522 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 05:49:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200110090949.FAA31522 at TheWorld.com> Received: (qmail 17636 invoked by uid 84); 9 Oct 2001 09:49:59 -0000 Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (HELO ?203.91.251.67?) (203.13.174.1) by 0 with SMTP; 9 Oct 2001 09:49:56 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:49:14 +0000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at world.std.com Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id FAA03216 Hi I'm Brian Wilson ^Ë new to the crew in Syndey and as I work in television and radio I'd suggest rule 21 - NEVER part with the master tapes. Also make sure you cover issues such copyright, credits and pooling. (your grab could be traded with other networks with the source station getting the $ and you getting only a warm feeling when 5 seconds of a week's work is used as overlay vision.) Comments re BOM getting it wrong are so true - our radio station collates data from all sites and combined with local spotters across the mountains the common credo amongst the announcers is "don't read the BOM forecast unless you look out the window first." Any breaking weather issues always welcome on air 0600 to 0900 weekdays Tel 0296231900 or fax to 0296234799 email news at airfm.com.au Brian Wilson ---------- >From: Jimmy Deguara >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 07:48 > > Hi Clyve and all, > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > Just serving as a warning. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Lyle. >>I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 >>minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I >>will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected >>points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing a >>detailed report over the next several months and that will be available on >>the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm chasers >>site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one >>stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) >>passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say is >>that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Lyle Pakula >>To: >>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> >> >> > Hey Clyve, >> > >> > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page of >> > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no landspout: >> > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res stuff if >> > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for >>TOR's >> > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne >>for, >> > way to go Murphy! >> > >> > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "clyve herbert" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM >> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > >> > >> > > Hello Lyle. >> > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few trees >>and >> > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first toughed >> > down >> > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to the >> > Sands >> > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter >>etc, >> > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock was >> > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that >>they >> > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further east >> > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing significant. >> > From >> > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved onto >> > Corio >> > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the >> > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this >> > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a large >> > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. >>regards >> > > Clyve Herbert. >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: Lyle Pakula >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM >> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Harald, >> > > > >> > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic >> > source >> > > of >> > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis yet >>to >> > > > detmine wind speeds? >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, Lyle >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Harald Richter" >> > > > To: "Aussie Weather" >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM >> > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Folks: >> > > > > >> > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into his >> > own >> > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian >> > press. >> > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional >> > Office, >> > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news >> > bulletins. >> > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! >> > > > > >> > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what the >> > funnel >> > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base in >>the >> > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the >> > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the tornado, >> > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript >> > storm: >> > > > > >> > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL >> > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; >> > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL >> > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the >>storm >> > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) centred at >>1 >> > > km >> > > > AGL >> > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL >> > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! >> > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL >> > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the >> > > > northernmost >> > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was associated >>with >> > > > Clyve's TOR) >> > > > > >> > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: >> > > > > >> > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the reflectivity >> > > patte >> > > > rn >> > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR would >>be >> > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" >> > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's >>extremely >> > > > low-topped >> > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any lower-topped >> > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a >> > surface >> > > > trough/wind shift >> > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were higher, >> > and >> > > > the wind >> > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm >> > probably >> > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL >> > moisture >> > > > quickly >> > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the >>ground >> > up >> > > > to >> > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at ground >> > level, >> > > > and >> > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) >> > sounding >> > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat >> > running >> > > > into >> > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has tightened up >> > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 >>knot >> > SW >> > > > > around 500 hPa. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised form >>the >> > 23 >> > > > UTC >> > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been along >> > the >> > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a 25kt >> > > > mid-level >> > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level winds >>in >> > > the >> > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and SW >>of >> > > > Leopold >> > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too >>shallow >> > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. This >> > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart from >> > each >> > > > other. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was embedded >>in >> > a >> > > > disconnected >> > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to Geelong >>to >> > > > Ballarat >> > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to have >> > > > advected >> > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface boundary >> > > > mentioned above. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse >> > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL moisture >>on >> > > the >> > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This >> > > combination >> > > > led >> > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be >>accomodated >> > in >> > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and >> > > vorticity >> > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched it. >> > > > > >> > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False Alarm >> > > Ratio) >> > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than being >> > > proven >> > > > wrong on >> > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors that >> > made >> > > > this >> > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) >> > > tornadic >> > > > are >> > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse >>rates >> > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne >> > Airport). >> > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area >> > around >> > > > 1810 LT, >> > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having this >> > > level >> > > > of >> > > > > info available operationally). >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. >> > > > > Harald >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > ------- >> > > > > Harald Richter >> > > > > BMRC >> > > > > PO Box 1289K >> > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 >> > > > > Australia >> > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >> > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >> > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >> > > > > url: >>http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > ------- >> > > > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > > your >> > > > > message. >> > > > >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >> > to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >> > your >> > > > message. >> > > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >>your >> > > message. >> > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 05:32:18 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep. Cirrus was there. The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan or what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying to figure out the weather. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > typical > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n > 160e > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > today. > regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil, the chopping off of the satpic happened yesterday afternoon here - we lost all of sector-c of JCU which covers most of Australia, Indonesia & all of the Indian Ocean - although..... - now you come to mention it - the timing is rathter interesting as it has never happened before. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Yep. Cirrus was there. The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan or what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying to figure out the weather. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > typical > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat (37n > 160e > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the typical > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > today. > regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:15:53 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, Sumner. More 'TDU 2000' footage will be shown and there will be an opportunity to watch the AGM 2001 introductory video/purchase a copy again for those who were unable to do so at the last meeting. As well as the usual features of recent storm footage, week in review and a look into the future. Our feature presentation will be from fellow ASWA member John Woodbridge. It will cover three topics: 1. The Stradbroke Island Waterspout - Analysis, why it cocurred 2. Storm 3/7/01 - Things that are not what they seem to be 3. Cold Front 26/8/01 - Video The Stradbroke Island waterspout was an unusual event as the conditions on that day did not seem overly conducive to waterspout development! Other items on the agenda are thoughts on Storm News and the new ASWA website (http://www.severeweather.asn.au) if you haven't seen it! Sure to be an interesting meeting, the details in brief: Date: Saturday, 20th of October Time: 10am Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner Presentation: "Stradbroke Island Waterspout Analysis & Other Interesting Weather Phenomena What to bring: $4 for pizza & drinks, photos and videos you might want to share, whatever else you think appropriate. Hope to see you there! If you can come a quick email would be great for numbers, but not essential. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 From: "David Carroll" Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:52 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 10/10/2001 09:36:53 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI All .. Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to sat images and BOM radar.. Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Country Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:04:07 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Oklahoma is producing ... Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). Check out http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif Haraldveryimpressedindeed -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:59:44 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com FANTASTIC !!!!! I love that 100km grid overlay, and it will be easy to pinpoint towns etc whilst out chasing! Matt Smith David Carroll wrote: > HI All .. > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > ##################################################################################### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:28:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Simon.
 
Day 39 at at Mt Crosby, the last measurable fall being Sep 1.  Now very close to last year's record (well for me anyway) 43 day dry spell at this time.
 
Trees throughout the Western suburbs, particularly Brush Box and Red Ash are now showing signs of severe water stress, and leaf fall rate from Spotted Gum and Ironbark has rapidly accelerated.  The last few days of abnormally dry air has greatly exacerbated the situation.  It is curious how rainforest species planted on grass verges appear to tolerate this condition better than many Eucalypts. 
 
John.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Simon Clarke
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:51 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane

Hi all
 
Nothing more than a trace where I live for 36 days. A drought looming. Bushfires flaring.
 
I think drought is probably going to become a very serious weather issue in SE QLD very soon if we don't get substantial widespread spring rains soon.
 
Nothing too optimistic on the horizon though.
 
 
 
Simon
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:50:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey that's a great storm tracking map. Now how about bringing on some storms so I can watch them from here! ATM the tracker is as dead as the Hong Kong one at http://www.weather.org.hk/lightning/ which is currently showing no activity at all. The local one here is very handy as it is located 250 metres from our head office and only a few km from the office I am in today. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "David Carroll" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:36:52 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker > HI All .. > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm > Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also > to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave > > > > > ####################################################################### > ############## > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > ####################################################################### > ############## > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:01:17 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The satpics are back to normal again now, not that they reveal anything to get excited about for us over here. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:52:18 +1000 Subject: RE: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. Satpics chopped off. > > Phil, > > the chopping off of the satpic happened yesterday afternoon here - we > lost > all of sector-c of JCU which covers most of Australia, Indonesia & all > of > the Indian Ocean - although..... - now you come to mention it - the > timing > is rathter interesting as it has never happened before. > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > > Yep. Cirrus was there. > The satpics this morning are all chopped off north of about 15degN. Is > the US military doing this to hide what they are up to in Afghanistan > or > what? If they keep that business up, it will be no help to us trying > to > figure out the weather. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 23:49:20 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: tropo stuff NH. > > > Hi Phil and all. > > Interesting sat pic of the north Pacific this evening showing two low > > pressure systems near to 37 north, both showing a totally different > > structural character. A low near to the Gulf of Chihli showing the > > typical > > mid lat type structure and a former Typhoon almost on the same lat > (37n > > 160e > > central north Pacific) and moving rapidly NE still showing the > typical > > signature of a tropical system. Looks like you had a bit of cirrus > > today. > > regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:13:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Hey that's a great storm tracking map. Now how about > bringing on some > storms so I can watch them from here! http://www.northpower.com.au/ss/s_tracker.html is the actual page it sits on, for those who like to bookmark. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Just when I'm getting a grip on something, Fate comes along and jumps on my fingers. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Day 36 without rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:13:46 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:28, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as John Woodbridge asserted this: > Hi Simon. > > Day 39 at at Mt Crosby, the last measurable fall being Sep 1. Now very > close to last year's record (well for me anyway) 43 day dry spell at this > time. > > Trees throughout the Western suburbs, particularly Brush Box and Red Ash > are now showing signs of severe water stress, and leaf fall rate from > Spotted Gum and Ironbark has rapidly accelerated. The last few days of > abnormally dry air has greatly exacerbated the situation. It is curious > how rainforest species planted on grass verges appear to tolerate this > condition better than many Eucalypts. I got some rain at Rothwell last night. The ground was quite wet this morning. I also drove through a little bit of a shower near Albany Creek earlier this morning. So it may just be lifting the drought. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p220-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.147.220] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:12:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes - good point Matt. Looks great. Can't wait for lightning activity to show on it. Jimmy Deguara At 09:59 AM 10/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >FANTASTIC !!!!! I love that 100km grid overlay, and it will be easy to >pinpoint towns etc >whilst out chasing! > >Matt Smith > >David Carroll wrote: > > > HI All .. > > > > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > > sat images and BOM radar.. > > > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > > > Dave > > > > > ##################################################################################### > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender, and are > > not necessarily the views of Country Energy. > > > ##################################################################################### > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:19:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald Some amazing pics available on the net. Here is a couple that the guys on #usweather directed me to. http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=502095 The video on that site is sensational. Obviously the quicker your connection is, the more you will enjoy these videos. THe view from the chopper is worth looking at, as is the link that follows the tornado along the ground. Here is Gary England's NEWS9 stream (9:28secs) http://idirector.media.ibeamglobal.net/real/news001/o9torn1.rm Enjoy :) dann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > Check out > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Day 37 and no rain - Brisbane Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:14:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Just a trace - one or two spots only in Cleveland - (Bayside Brisbane) - looked more promising today for a few coastal showers.
 
The forecast is for a 'little' rain Thursday night and Sunday, looking forward to a forecast that says 'loads' of rain.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:29:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Do you have a street name for that meeting? Rosalina > Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place > on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, > Sumner. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:00:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I must admit that I gave a UK company a tape ( copy luckily ) about 2 years, with the promise to return and it never came back. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2001 0:21 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > Hi Clyve, > > Excellent stuff but I advise you and anyone never to give original tapes. > Go in with them to the station or even so go to a person who can dub to > beta digital as a copy of this footage and let them pay of course. > > In answer to Macca's request I will see what I can do but no promises made > on this. I am no professional but from past experiences, some of my tapes > are lost in the universe. Thank God I didn't send original tape. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 11:31 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Jimmy. > >Thank you for the advice, however I have now received the original tape back > >today by special registered courier( that was my agreement),and all is well. > >regards Clyve Herbert. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:48 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > Hi Clyve and all, > > > > > > Please don't tell me you gave channel 7 the original video tape. When I > > > gave channel 9 my tapes ie VHS tapes it took them months to return them. > > > Please never, at any cost, give originals unless you are there with them. > > > > > > Just serving as a warning. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > At 12:41 PM 9/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > >Hi Lyle. > > > >I am still waiting for the original tape (about 5min all up and about 3 > > > >minutes of the tornado at max intensity) to arrive back from ch 7 Mel. I > > > >will then make arrangements to have frame grabs obtained from selected > > > >points of the tape, this may take a little time. I will be also preparing > >a > > > >detailed report over the next several months and that will be available > >on > > > >the net in full possibly through the ASWA site and Melbourne storm > >chasers > > > >site. No it was not a so called 'landspout' type, I was astounded at one > > > >stage of the tape (only short) with the tornado (then over Corio Bay) > > > >passing behind some houses when it was about 4 km away and all I can say > >is > > > >that at that stage it was a monster!.regards Clyve Herbert. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: Lyle Pakula > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 6:30 AM > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Clyve, > > > > > > > > > > I finally saw a photo from one fo the sites that linked the front page > >of > > > > > the herald-sun. Wasn't very clear but surly didn't look like no > >landspout: > > > > > low base, very thick wedge - would be cool to see some higher res > >stuff if > > > > > you ahve any available? Either way, thats the second year in a row for > > > >TOR's > > > > > in Vic, of course, thats the exact period i haven't lived in Melbourne > > > >for, > > > > > way to go Murphy! > > > > > > > > > > Congrats on the chase...cheers, lyle > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "clyve herbert" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:35 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lyle. > > > > > > Most of the area affected by the tornado is grassland with a few > >trees > > > >and > > > > > > also private property with guard dogs!?.When this funnel first > >toughed > > > > > down > > > > > > it was rather weak, however I did find minor track damage near to > >the > > > > > Sands > > > > > > caravan park with branches broken and on the ground also leaf litter > > > >etc, > > > > > > this appeared over a narrow track, also grass in the nearby paddock > >was > > > > > > showing a chaotic appearance. The locals I talked too indicated that > > > >they > > > > > > heard some noise about 1800 but could not be sure. A little further > >east > > > > > > about 500m I found some tea trees snapped off but nothing > >significant. > > > > > From > > > > > > this point it seems the tornado skirted the coast and then moved > >onto > > > > > Corio > > > > > > Bay. I will continue further investigation today. In respect to the > > > > > > description as a 'land spout' type this tornado did not exhibit this > > > > > > appearance, at its maximum (ex Video) it had an appearance of a > >large > > > > > > tornado almost wedge like complete with large rotating wall cloud. > > > >regards > > > > > > Clyve Herbert. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Lyle Pakula > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 3:47 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harald, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounds like your analysis (and inclinaton) is towards a baroclinic > > > > > source > > > > > > of > > > > > > > vorticity (landspout catagory) - has the been any damage analysis > >yet > > > >to > > > > > > > detmine wind speeds? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, Lyle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Harald Richter" > > > > > > > To: "Aussie Weather" > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 8:04 PM > > > > > > > Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado (Analysis) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears Clyve had a rather successful gentleman's chase into > >his > > > > > own > > > > > > > > backyard last night, and in the process activated the Victorian > > > > > press. > > > > > > > > Cameras and producers are also swarming through the VIC Regional > > > > > Office, > > > > > > > > hopefully producing some handsome footage for tonight's news > > > > > bulletins. > > > > > > > > Congrats on your catch, ol' man! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) It is hard to judge from the "Geelong Info" picture what > >the > > > > > funnel > > > > > > > > is actually attached to. There seems to be a low rainfree base > >in > > > >the > > > > > > > > background, but there's also a lighter-coloured lowering in the > > > > > > > > foreground. Clyve, was that lowering rotating with the > >tornado, > > > > > > > > i.e. could that be indicative of a low-level mesocyclone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) The Laverton radar volume scans reveal a rather nondescript > > > > > storm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1800 LT: 43 dBZ core extends from ground to ~1 km AGL > > > > > > > > 1810 LT: 61 dBZ core developed centred around 2 km AGL; > > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ reflectivity extending from 1 to 3 km AGL > > > > > > > > Formation of an echo overhang on the N side of the > > > >storm > > > > > > > > 1820 LT: 62.5 dBZ core (c.f. "red" starts at 55 dBZ) > >centred at > > > >1 > > > > > > km > > > > > > > AGL > > > > > > > > 50+ dBZ extend from ground -> 2.5 km AGL > > > > > > > > 40+ dBZs remain below 4 km AGL at all times !! > > > > > > > > 1830 LT: max dBZ ~ 51 dBZ at 1.5 km AGL > > > > > > > > 1840 LT: a new 60 dBZ core appears near the ground from the > > > > > > > northernmost > > > > > > > > of 3 reflectivity cores ( the S core was > >associated > > > >with > > > > > > > Clyve's TOR) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing upshot of the reflectivity pattern is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (a) the storm does not look like a supercell in the > >reflectivity > > > > > > patte > > > > > > > rn > > > > > > > > IF this was the final word on the storm type, the TOR > >would > > > >be > > > > > > > > a "landspout" or "non-supercell tornado" > > > > > > > > (b) the 40 dBZ echo top never exceeded 4 km AGL - that's > > > >extremely > > > > > > > low-topped > > > > > > > > for a tornadic storm (I am not sure whether any > >lower-topped > > > > > > > > tornadic storm has ever been documented) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) Surface mesoscale data (which I haven't seen yet) showed a > > > > > surface > > > > > > > trough/wind shift > > > > > > > > line in the region. Behind (W of) that line dewpoints were > >higher, > > > > > and > > > > > > > the wind > > > > > > > > direction changed from SW to W across the boundary. The storm > > > > > probably > > > > > > > > crossed / rode along that boundary around its tornadic phase. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (4) The MML 23/2 UTC (0900 LT) sounding showed about 5 g/kg LL > > > > > moisture > > > > > > > quickly > > > > > > > > dropping off with height, a dry adiabatic lapse rate from the > > > >ground > > > > > up > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ~750 hPa (!) and a lacklustre wind field with near calm at > >ground > > > > > level, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 20 knot westerlies around 500 hPa. The MML 11/3 UTC (2100 LT) > > > > > sounding > > > > > > > > had 6-6.5 g/kg of moisture up to ~920 hPa, and had a dry adiabat > > > > > running > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > the surface parcel LCL at ~920 hPa! The wind field has > >tightened up > > > > > > > > considerably with 10-20 knot W/SW near the surface turning to 40 > > > >knot > > > > > SW > > > > > > > > around 500 hPa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (5) The 23 UTC MesoLAPS run showed a cold pool (initialised > >form > > > >the > > > > > 23 > > > > > > > UTC > > > > > > > > MML sounding) that slowly drifted E. Leopold would have been > >along > > > > > the > > > > > > > > back edge of the coldest mid-level air. MesoLAPS also showed a > >25kt > > > > > > > mid-level > > > > > > > > flow at 2200 LT, which is a little weaker than the mid-level > >winds > > > >in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11 UTC MML sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (6) The lightning network showed only a couple of strikes W and > >SW > > > >of > > > > > > > Leopold > > > > > > > > between 1800-1810 LT. Maybe the tornadic cell was simply too > > > >shallow > > > > > > > > to produce all the microphysiscs needed for a lightning show. > >This > > > > > > > > also shows that lightning and tornadogenesis can happen apart > >from > > > > > each > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (7) The 0532 UTC VIS GMS-5 image shows that the cell was > >embedded > > > >in > > > > > a > > > > > > > disconnected > > > > > > > > line of cells arching counter-clockwise from King Island to > >Geelong > > > >to > > > > > > > Ballarat > > > > > > > > to Horsham. A mesolow between King Island and Colac seems to > >have > > > > > > > advected > > > > > > > > "useful" air across Cape Otway into VIC behind the surface > >boundary > > > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My current hypothesis is that we had deep, dry adiabatic lapse > > > > > > > > rates from the ground up, combined with an increase in LL > >moisture > > > >on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > NW periphery of a parent surface low somewhere E of TAS. This > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > led > > > > > > > > to a short fat CAPE profile in the LL, and hence could be > > > >accomodated > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a short fat storm. The surface boundary supplied extra lift and > > > > > > vorticity > > > > > > > > to the updraft, which took the vorticty, tilted and stretched > >it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forecasting an event like this with an acceptable FAR (False > >Alarm > > > > > > Ratio) > > > > > > > > is beyond anyone's capability ATM. I wish nothing more than > >being > > > > > > proven > > > > > > > wrong on > > > > > > > > this statement! I suppose that the "discriminating " factors > >that > > > > > made > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > overgrown Cumulus :) (rememeber: 40 dBZ cloud top at 4 km AGL) > > > > > > tornadic > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > tucked away into small time and spatial scales such as LL lapse > > > >rates > > > > > > > > at 1800 LT E of Geelong (not 11 UTC, not 23 UTC, not Melbourne > > > > > Airport). > > > > > > > > I would like to know more about what boundaries were in the area > > > > > around > > > > > > > 1810 LT, > > > > > > > > and what their vertical structure was (``fat chance'' of having > >this > > > > > > level > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > info available operationally). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have some extra insights, please let me know. > > > > > > > > Harald > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > Harald Richter > > > > > > > > BMRC > > > > > > > > PO Box 1289K > > > > > > > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > > > > > > > Australia > > > > > > > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > > > > > > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > > > > > > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > > > > > > > url: > > > >http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the > >body of > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:33:12 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Rosalina, It's in the full details at the bottom of the email :) Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner AC Rosalina Champion wrote: > > Hi Anthony, > > Do you have a street name for that meeting? > > Rosalina > > > Just a note to let you know that the next ASWA meeting will take place > > on Saturday the 20th of October, commencing at 10am at Pixel Components, > > Sumner. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p894-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.143.132] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:15:23 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print journalist). The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, not even to take a leak, nothing, period. Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and investigated. My two bobs worth. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:37:13 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com there was some brilliant footage of the TOR on the news last nite. I'm just a bit peeved that Colorado missed it's secondary max in climatology for SUP's - were already getitng snow showers. cheers, lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harald Richter" To: "Aussie Weather" Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > Check out > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: , "Jane ONeill" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:00:22 +0100 Organization: Chaotic X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does anyone know what's happened to Les Lemon?? Les (UK) "Alphas work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever." - Brave New World == Les Crossan and Christine Challen, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W les.crossan at virgin.net www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm === Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system before leaving minerva.domain (www.grisoft.com) engine: 6.0.285 / Virus Database: 151 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "dann weatherhead" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 3:19 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > Hi Harald > Some amazing pics available on the net. > > Here is a couple that the guys on #usweather directed me to. > > http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=502095 > > The video on that site is sensational. Obviously the quicker your connection > is, the more you will enjoy these videos. > THe view from the chopper is worth looking at, as is the link that follows > the tornado along the ground. > > Here is Gary England's NEWS9 stream (9:28secs) > http://idirector.media.ibeamglobal.net/real/news001/o9torn1.rm > > Enjoy :) > > dann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harald Richter" > To: "Aussie Weather" > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: aus-wx: Tornadic Supercell in OK > > > > > > Oklahoma is producing ... > > > > Massive tornadic supercell now moving through Caddo County (OK). > > There has been footage/reports of _large_ tornadoes in > > Elk City (OK) and Cordell (OK). > > > > Check out > > > > http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/images/DS.p19r0/SI.ktlx/latest.gif > > > > Haraldveryimpressedindeed > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > Harald Richter > > BMRC > > PO Box 1289K > > Melbourne VIC 3001 > > Australia > > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:48:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Great stuff Dave. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > Just thought you should all know that Country Energy have a Storm Tracker > avail at http://www.countryenergy.com.au/ . This site has links also to > sat images and BOM radar.. > > Pls check itr out and let me know what you think. > > Dave +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:15:20 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Getting Wetter in Wollongong

Hi list,

Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.)

Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden change in location for all the good action from the southern state to Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on 0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert Park.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

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From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Next QLD ASWA Meeting Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:00:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Thanks. I will try to make it. Rosalina > > Place: "Pixel Components" Unit 9/14 Argon St. Sumner > > AC > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:01:02 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Working at a uni that trains journalists, I would have to say that this is some of the best non-WX advice I have seen on this list. Live it. Love it. Phil >A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago >(not video or picture related, but an interview with a print >journalist). > >The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self >interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop >of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good >story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in >their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get >tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless >of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into >handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with >next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they >profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any >means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they >please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the >basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good >story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > >As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is >the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice >is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing >with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good >professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that >they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce >grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet >the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want >it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an >exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to >someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on >sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > >My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be >interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the >electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look >in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance >that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure >that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along >with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. >Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any >circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while >at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, >regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and >walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that >video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they >have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours >some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust >anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always >hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave >nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, >not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > >Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed >away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR >copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. >Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or >expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media >should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a >suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could >do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, >not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and >investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.2509 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:38:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. From: David To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As a writer (not a journo) who deals with intellectual property and copyright on a regular basis - I agree wholeheartedly. Davo > A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago > (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print > journalist). > > The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self > interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop > of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good > story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in > their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get > tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless > of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into > handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with > next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they > profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any > means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they > please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the > basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good > story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > > As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is > the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice > is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing > with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good > professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that > they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce > grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet > the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want > it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an > exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to > someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on > sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > > My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be > interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the > electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look > in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance > that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure > that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along > with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. > Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any > circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while > at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, > regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and > walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that > video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they > have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours > some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust > anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always > hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave > nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, > not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > > Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed > away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR > copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. > Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or > expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media > should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a > suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could > do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, > not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and > investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > ------------------ If it looks like rain it usually is -------------------- DAVID SIMPSON 100%CONTENT content creation management and monitoring internet multimedia print direct broadcast 39 Park Street South Melbourne VIC 3205 T 9686 6722 F 9686 6004 M 0419 230 666 E david at 100content.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:17:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil & others, I've placed a copy of a Non-exclusive licence on the link below (copied from the Copyright Council website). This is what the owner of the image could give to the organisation wishing to use their image (**not the other way around**). Under no circumstances should you ever give anyone the exclusive rights to your image, becasue that means that you can't use it either without a) their permission & b) paying for the priviledge (would seem a bit odd to have to pay for your own image!! - that's why you should never sell them outright) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/image_licence.htm also see Australian Copyright Council for more info at http://www.copyright.org.au Now, the next thing we need to know is what the going rate (per second / per minute) is both for stills & videography. Anyone have any clues? Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Working at a uni that trains journalists, I would have to say that this is some of the best non-WX advice I have seen on this list. Live it. Love it. Phil >A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago >(not video or picture related, but an interview with a print >journalist). > >The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self >interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop >of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good >story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in >their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get >tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless >of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into >handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with >next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they >profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any >means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they >please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the >basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good >story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > >As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is >the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice >is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing >with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good >professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that >they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce >grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet >the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want >it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an >exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to >someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on >sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > >My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be >interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the >electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look >in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance >that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure >that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along >with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. >Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any >circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while >at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, >regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and >walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that >video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they >have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours >some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust >anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always >hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave >nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, >not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > >Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed >away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR >copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. >Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or >expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media >should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a >suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could >do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, >not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and >investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Low SW Mt Gambier. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:42:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:43:58.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFF2F630:01C151ED] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. A very nice looking depression south west of Mt Gambier this morning complete with a dry inflow band, also the strengthening of the 300hpa trough running through eastern Aus has allowed the incursion of tropical activity to get close to the north of QLD,also a thermal trough just west of Adelaide may be worth keeping a look at over the next 6 to 12 hours. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:38:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:39:28.0585 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F4E6390:01C151ED] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and all. A nice large splotch of cloud near 133 east and 17 north (east of the Philippines) has started to show some weak outflow tendencies and moving westward at the moment, looks a little to far north to affect your area at this time. This development is interesting with a sought of connection to a large narrow thunderstorm band extending to a now intense extra tropical low in the north pacific which was formally a typhoon. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cold Front. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:47:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 00:48:48.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[7CD1E000:01C151EE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. The cold front moving across Western Vic has just come into view west of Geelong (1045hrs) apart from an overcast mid level cloud deck and some light rain it is also marked by a band of low cu that is just starting to form a sought of shelf type line,the surface front is also moving from the west northwest showing that the frontal boundary is starting to pivot around the low southwest of Vic.regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:35:46 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Thread-Index: AcFR08cFpsO4vZN8QGy91MwaY6PVtwAB/fRg From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA14629 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Godsman, Andrew AG [mailto:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 7:15 To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Hi list, Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.) Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden change in location for all the good action from the southern state to Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on 0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert Park. Cheers Andrew Godsman EOM NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information that is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for use by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and that any dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein. 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From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com good advice Peter, the only thing is that you've really only got a maximum of 2-3 hours to do all the cutting (assuming an early morning event) otherwise the story is cold and worth significantly less. The other aspect is that your hard work and money spent cutting the tape will in most prabability go to waste as the vision length will change according to the producer, bulletin and a host of other factors. The solution is simply to have a contract ready and to just dub the camera tape. The Assoc could also look at watermarking members work to build 'brand' credability or it may as you said just look at a contract. Bear in mind though the many exemptions from the copyright act applicable for the reporting of news and........ that even if proven that the contract is breached the remedies in NSW, QLD and VIC are the equity division of the Supreme Court which means most newsroom chief of staffs realise the courts are well beyound the financial means of most mortals. I think its also a matter of defining the goal...money or recognition? the former will mean that you'll always be haggling and treated as a one off, the latter is more achievable and usually asists in getting at least a little of the money. My advice as someone in the industry, find who is your local pool crew (usually freelance) and build a relationship with them. The best way to gain revenue however is to build a storm chasers archive with varying levels of subscription for media outlets including one off's etc., The access can be on line or via a broadband delivery system (not your average webserver). Watermarking is the only thing that works for the networks so the reality is if they can't win the battle of news vision against each other what hope does an individual have! Regards Brian Wilson -- Intentional Pty Limited PO Box 271 Emu Plains NSW 2750 Australia Fax: 61 2 4735 7278 admin at intentional.com.au Tel: 61 2 4735 2960 Mobile: 61 0410 413 010 Media & Business Solutions ---------- >From: Peter Creswick >To: aussie-weather >Subject: aus-wx: Tapes and photographs - physical retention of originals and all rights to use of copies. >Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:15 > > A few thoughts, based on a bitter experience with the media long ago > (not video or picture related, but an interview with a print > journalist). > > The media vary in their integrity, but most are very one eyed, self > interested, and will exploit your good nature and innocence at the drop > of a hat without batting an eye. What they are interested in is a good > story, not necessarily "the" story. They are also only interested in > their outcomes, not yours, they are not YOUR agent, and don't get > tricked into believing they will look after your interests, regardless > of what they tell you at the time. All they want is to trick you into > handing over the tapes, after that you are effectively high and dry with > next to no come back. After all, as far as they are concerned, they > profess to have the right to collect whatever they can obtain by any > means, legal, moral or otherwise, and subsequently use it any way they > please, in context, out of context or otherwise. They operate on the > basis that they should never let the truth get in the way of a good > story, after all, it might hurt the ratings. > > As for individual citizens or organizations doing interviews or as is > the particular case here, supplying tapes to the media, the short advice > is simple - don't, unless you know exactly what you are doing. Dealing > with the media is not a game for amateurs. They are very good > professional tricksters when they want to be. They will often say that > they need your original VHS to preserve quality of image, reduce > grainage etc. on converting to beta, and it HAS TO BE DONE NOW to meet > the deadlines or whatever. That is a ruse, pure and simple. They want > it so they are the only people that have it. First up, it gives them an > exclusive, i.e., once you have given it to them you can't give it to > someone else now can you. They can (and do) then syndicate it and on > sell it without your knowledge or permission. You are hung out to dry. > > My advice, if you take / have video that the media is or may be > interested in, either now or in the future, is to edit it yourself (the > electronic kits to do this are cheap and readily available - just look > in the electronics magazines), and or suss out a video house in advance > that can do it for you. If you take the latter track, first, ensure > that your name or logo or something distinguishing is overlaid along > with time date and location along the bottom, or better, the top. > Second, never surrender the tapes, never the original VHS under any > circumstances, and never the original beta master. That includes while > at the video house too. Stay with the operator while he does it, > regardless of what they say, and if they bullshit you, just get up and > walk out without a word, and go somewhere else. Also, remember that > video houses do work for lots of people, and lets just say that they > have their ties to the media too, you scratch my back - I scratch yours > some day - kind of deal. In essence, you can not implicitly trust > anyone in this or related businesses. Many have "other" agendas, always > hidden of course. As I said before, guard your tapes in person, leave > nothing with anyone - no matter what the pretext, overnight, over lunch, > not even to take a leak, nothing, period. > > Then, after you have your VHS original and master beta safely stashed > away, you only distribute the beta copies to the media, with YOUR > copyright contract, NOT theirs. This brings us to the next point. > Those who shoot video and or film with a significant likelihood or > expectation of eventual publication of some of their work in the media > should think along the lines of a professional photographer, and have a > suitable release document drawn up by a solicitor. Perhaps ASWA could > do this as a cover for it's members. I don't know the details of this, > not being a legal eagle, but perhaps it should be considered and > investigated. My two bobs worth. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:39:23 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from > Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. > > Allison > ...but the Melbourne rain repellent is still alive and well - only a trace here so far. (This is not an uncommon scenario in humid pre- frontal northerlies, from which Melbourne is in a local rainshadow, but normally the action is a bit closer to the northern side of the ranges than Echuca/Kyabram). Action will need to be taken to remove the aforementioned rain repellent by a time-honoured method - namely the erection of two sets of three wooden poles 20 metres apart in the middle of an area of open ground. It is definitely a worry that, even last week when the catchments got above-average rainfall for the week, streamflow was still only around 50% of normal. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 From: "David Carroll" Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:26:40 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 11/10/2001 12:26:40 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI all. If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving EAST.. We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. 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Looking at the animated satpic it seems to be drifting towards the Luzon Strait which might mean it could end up here. It's a bit early to say yet though. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:38:12 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH. > Hi Phil and all. > A nice large splotch of cloud near 133 east and 17 north (east of the > Philippines) has started to show some weak outflow tendencies and > moving > westward at the moment, looks a little to far north to affect your area > at > this time. This development is interesting with a sought of connection > to a > large narrow thunderstorm band extending to a now intense extra > tropical low > in the north pacific which was formally a typhoon. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:34:13 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal cold pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed through Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with some red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst and small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shining 15m before and 15m after the passage. All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast to Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. Cheers Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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David,

With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we get some action later if the storm activity increases during its travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.

Andrew Godsman
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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst


HI all.

If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving
EAST..

We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..

Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was reported in
Dubbo area and moving fast.

Dave




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The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and > catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat. > > Andrew Godsman > Camera at the ready > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst > > HI all. > > If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & > Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front > moving > EAST.. > > We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. > > Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was > reported in > Dubbo area and moving fast. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain > confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it > and notify the > sender. 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Don't know when it started initially, it was wet outside when I got out of bed at noon, but it has been raining constantly since about 12:40. PC David Carroll wrote: > HI all. > > If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange & > Bathurst.. Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front moving > EAST.. > > We have had 3 mm in last hr.. Still falling quite heavy.. > > Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was reported in > Dubbo area and moving fast. > > Dave > > ##################################################################################### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. 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Hi Andrew,

Using my powerful skills in deduction I can probably accurately predict the timing of the heaviest falls to coincide with my ride home from work, so sometime around 4pm EST. Although if the line was at Wagga at 1pm ansd somewhere near Dubbo around the same time, then it could be a good lightshow for Wollongong after nightfall. Me no complain at any rate.

Andrew Godsman
Wollongong

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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 1:35 PM
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst


Andrew,

Storms seem to be with and just ahead of the front, which was passing
through Wagga at 03Z and moving east. Wagga reported heavy rain at 03Z
(31 mm/hr), no doubt with a storm.

Widespread rain ahead of the front.

Another Andrew.


> "Godsman, Andrew AG" wrote:
>
> David,
>
> With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the
> storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we
> get some action later if the storm activity increases during its
> travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and
> catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.
>
> Andrew Godsman
> Camera at the ready
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst
>
> HI all.
>
> If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
> Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front
> moving
> EAST..
>
> We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..
>
> Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was
> reported in
> Dubbo area and moving fast.
>
> Dave
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:53:27 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I wouldnt hold your breath waiting for storms Andrew, this is more of a rain event, nothing significant anywhere on the latest tracker image, or radar. Of course the odd cell may pop up on the ranges as the front gets closer.. but yeah i dont hold too much hope.

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Hi Andrew,

Using my powerful skills in deduction I can probably accurately predict the timing of the heaviest falls to coincide with my ride home from work, so sometime around 4pm EST. Although if the line was at Wagga at 1pm ansd somewhere near Dubbo around the same time, then it could be a good lightshow for Wollongong after nightfall. Me no complain at any rate.

Andrew Godsman
Wollongong

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Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 1:35 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Andrew,

Storms seem to be with and just ahead of the front, which was passing
through Wagga at 03Z and moving east. Wagga reported heavy rain at 03Z
(31 mm/hr), no doubt with a storm.

Widespread rain ahead of the front.

Another Andrew.

> "Godsman, Andrew AG" wrote:
>
> David,
>
> With no access to radar and not knowing what is coming through, is the
> storm associated with a clearing edge or just the trough? Hopefully we
> get some action later if the storm activity increases during its
> travel east. The high cloud and light rain is nice for the farmers and
> catchment but s couple of storms would go down a treat.
>
> Andrew Godsman
> Camera at the ready
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Carroll [mailto:David.Carroll at CountryEnergy.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 12:27 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Wet in Bathurst
>
> HI all.
>
> If anyone has seen radar recently would know its very wet in Orange &
> Bathurst..   Sydney is going to get wet very soon also.. this front
> moving
> EAST..
>
> We have had 3 mm in last hr..  Still falling quite heavy..
>
> Many outages in the Orange area have been reported, a storm was
> reported in
> Dubbo area and moving fast.
>
> Dave
>
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From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Victorian chase - West and South west Gippsland Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:09:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ben, LOL. Also for me. The severe wx always seems to be where I am not. Maybe this is just my guardian angel looking after me.... Or maybe there really is such a thing as a 'Rain God' in which case one could theorise that conversely there is such a thing as an 'Anti-Rain God'. Given the depressingly small amount of moisture hitting the ground in Mt. Crosby in recent years, I am definitely in the latter category - hell, I have even seen severe storms heading directly toward me split just 5kms from my place and miss it almost completely, while smashing everything a fews kms either side. Of course, I could put this down to the local mountain range screwing up the inflow - but the Anti-Rain God theory sounds far more plausable :( John. >snip That sounds like one of my chases Tony - whenever i chase thinking i'll be better off than here at home Redcliffe gets slaughtered December 16 , 1998 - 5cm hail and a spectacular shelf cloud from a northward moving supercell - i was out of town, saw no storm features, got a few drops of rain and drove into 1 (yes ONE) hailstone, which cracked my windscreen July 10, 200 - a good winter chase SW of Brisbane but while sitting at a lookout feeling pretty happy with the day a storm was dropping 8cm hail NW of Redcliffe and eventually a spectacular laminar shelf cloud moved practically right over my house January 17, 2001 - An awesome evening chase but early the next morning i decided to chase a developing storm which was moving NE - i went NW to intercept it, the storm turned E 10 minutes after i walked out the door and dropped tennis ball hail 3km's south of my house (mind you i did get photos of the hail and saw plenty of lightning) I should let the BOM know when i'm going out on a chase - they could prepare the storm warning for Redcliffe in advance :-) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:46:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> >> Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from >> Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. >> >> Allison >> >...but the Melbourne rain repellent is still alive and well - only >a trace here so far. (This is not an uncommon scenario in humid pre- >frontal northerlies, from which Melbourne is in a local rainshadow, >but normally the action is a bit closer to the northern side of the >ranges than Echuca/Kyabram). > >Action will need to be taken to remove the aforementioned rain >repellent by a time-honoured method - namely the erection of two sets >of three wooden poles 20 metres apart in the middle of an area of >open ground. > >It is definitely a worry that, even last week when the catchments >got above-average rainfall for the week, streamflow was still only >around 50% of normal. > >Blair I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. Regards, David d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:32:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, Images of the front passing through Melbourne early this afternoon (and a couple of shots of cirrus yesterday) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/10_10_01.htm At the bottom of The Hill (Mt Dandenong), Bayswater has struggled to get just 7mm. But it looked like this earlier this afternoon http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02926.jpg Jane PS: David, could you keep up with the fencing please, we have a few dams that need filling in the area or I'm going to spend all summer hand watering my rhododendrons instead of stormchasing! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought > we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes > outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny > Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time > (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially > sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we > have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three > days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... > > We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable > September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. > > Regards, > > David > > d.jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:08:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 06:09:42.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[5180E180:01C1521B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil B, I would call it a thermal trough,I noticed this trough in the sat pics this morning then over the Eyre Peninsular. The term thermal always used to confuse me as I would associate this terminology with warm air, however this trough that passed your region is associated with colder air aloft often at 500hpa level (18,500ft). With the passing of this 'thermal trough over a location the overriding cold air aloft results in increased lapse rates through a good depth of the atmosphere, usually there is a wind change with this type of system, but not a great direction change, normally i.e. northwest to west or southwest etc. The passing of this trough also usually marks the axis of the coldest air. Such troughs can at times produce severe weather especially in coastal regions,they can also be a source of vorticity and can on occasions develop into low pressure systems (cold lows).The above is my understanding and there is probably a lot more . regards Clyve Herbert ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Bagust To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide > Hi all > > Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal cold > pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed through > Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with some > red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst and > small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shining > 15m before and 15m after the passage. > > All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast to > Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. > > Cheers > > Phil > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Teeming down in Melbourne's east.. Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:05:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hell! 100mm for the month already. I thought I was being smart at 37.4 for the month but still a long way behind the average. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > I know it is only a drop in the ocean, compared to the four years of drought > we have endured in Melbourne, but it has been raining heavily in Melbournes > outer east now for a good 2.5 hours, with 24mm clocked up here at Ferny > Creek. A classic case of being in the right place at the right time > (wrong?), with a briefly intensified (but narrow) rain band substantially > sliding along its axis. I take full responsibility, as today a fencer who we > have contracted to build a fence on our property finally turned up (three > days late), only to be rained off after 3 hours of post digging.... > > We are fast approaching 100m for the month so far, after a miserable > September total (from Dunns Hill AWS) of about 80mm. > > Regards, > > David > > d.jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:04:42 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate very light precip around the place. Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a yellow/brown sea. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Tichborne" To: Subject: aus-wx: Stormy days Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:17:04 +1300 Organization: Private X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's approaching the first anniversery of last year's big southerly storm that blasted Christchurch and surrounds with heavy rain and storm-force winds. And now a deep low has formed to the east of NZ again. But it's not as bad this time here - in fact the southerly rain is welcomed by farmers (and skiers - fresh snow on the high country), as the last few months have been very dry. There have been severe gales - this time further north around Cook Strait, stopping interislander ferries. Plus, there was a tornado in the far north on Tuesday (9th) doing a fair amount of damage to a small seaside settlement. What a change from last week's warm anticylonic conditions. Typically spring. Ben Christchurch NZ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: New ASWA site Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:22:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The New ASWA site. It's great.  Congratulations to all those who worked so hard to put this together. It looks great and a vast improvement on the old one. I look forward to exploring the site fully.
 
Also everyone that contributed to the making of the last Storm News - very professional and  a very enjoyable read.
 
 
Your enthusiasm is enthusing and very much appreciated !
 
Regards
Simon
 
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:34:56 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Light rain here now! Interesting line of showers/convection west of Moree sitting behind the cloud band. AC Anthony Cornelius wrote: > > It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type > storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to > mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through > from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn > my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of > simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so > that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate > very light precip around the place. > > Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, > stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in > the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the > seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I > was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) > what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and > please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." > > This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something > heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba > with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a > yellow/brown sea. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:30:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony I am not washing my car - just letting the dust cake on day by day. Like you I think a distinct change is on the way. Its 7.30 pm here and that light rain on the radar hasn't reached Moreton Bay yet. When it does I might go out and a bit of a rain dance to try and bring on Sunday's predicted rain to produce a bit more gusto !. Just as well its dark - I wouldn't want the neighbours to see. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times > It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type > storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to > mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through > from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn > my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of > simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so > that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate > very light precip around the place. > > Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, > stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in > the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the > seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I > was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) > what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and > please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." > > This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something > heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba > with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a > yellow/brown sea. > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:48:38 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: New Zealand Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A trough passed over mainly the North Island over the last few days delivering good rainfalls to parched areas. Although the weather was cool and boring here in Christchurch , it was quite thundery in the North Island with one or two tornado or waterspouts reported. Not much detail is noted of the tornado/waterspouts from what I can gather. Cook Strait got a bit of a southerly battering today with sea-swells up to 8 metres. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:30:08 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id GAA13234 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere Australia Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... Hope you enjoy them. Sel >Dear friends fom Australia, >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > >SPRING >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > >SUMMER >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > >AUTUMN >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in >winter." >2. "November wind - brother of winter." >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > >WINTER >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > >Hi, >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech >republic. > > > >----- >SMS na mobily v¹ech tøí operátorù - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:25:14 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ditto, My car looks like a rugged outdoor interpretation of the little urban 4WD that it is... A few light spots here in Elimbah tonight - enough to make me use my wipers but only just barely. Evaporated, Sel At 19:30 11/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >Anthony > >I am not washing my car - just letting the dust cake on day by day. Like you >I think a distinct change is on the way. > >Its 7.30 pm here and that light rain on the radar hasn't reached Moreton Bay >yet. When it does I might go out and a bit of a rain dance to try and bring >on Sunday's predicted rain to produce a bit more gusto !. Just as well its >dark - I wouldn't want the neighbours to see. > > >Regards >Simon > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anthony Cornelius" >To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 7:04 PM >Subject: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times > > >> It's hard times now - no storms for over a month, no "summer-type >> storms" since March/April - bringing unprecedented bouts of SDS, not to >> mention with the lack of rain (although a light rain band moving through >> from our west at the moment). But this afternoon I was forced to turn >> my wiper washers on for over a minute just to get some joy out of >> simulating rain *sigh* - it was completely overcast in the afternoon, so >> that worked well for that - and the bit of haze around helped immiate >> very light precip around the place. >> >> Anyway - I am thinking we might just about be seeing the end of our dry, >> stormless spell. Over the past week there's been a distinct change in >> the air - just the feeling in the winds, and the different smells of the >> seasons. Not to mention the different variety of birds chirping and I >> was visited by my first Christmas beetle tonight! I told him (or her) >> what I always tell the Christmas beetles - "I've been a good boy, and >> please tell Santa I'd like a week of storms over Christmas." >> >> This approaching rain will be very welcoming, and hopefully something >> heavier on Sunday - I'd like to drive between Brisbane and Toowoomba >> with at least seeing some sort of natural green, rather than a >> yellow/brown sea. >> -- >> Anthony Cornelius >> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >> (07) 3390 4812 >> http://www.severeweather.asn.au >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port7.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.71] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:47:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane Sat pics and cloud heights... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello all, The latest images on NASA's Earth Observatory page are worth a look: Hurricanes - one featuring cloud height image as captured by the Multi-angle Imaging SpectroRadiometer (MISR) on September 26, 2001. http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/images.php3?img_id=5176 Beautiful and what I wouldn't give to be able to see these storms from above for myself! Sel. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:37:08 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of brisbane. It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:22:54 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmmmmmm. Interesting. Is somebody going to try an interpretation?? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Sel Kerans To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:30:08 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic > Hello all, > > Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere > Australia > Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... > > Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? > > 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... > > Hope you enjoy them. > > Sel > > > > >Dear friends fom Australia, > >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > > > >SPRING > >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." > >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." > >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." > >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." > >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > > > >SUMMER > >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." > >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." > >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > > > >AUTUMN > >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in > >winter." > >2. "November wind - brother of winter." > >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > > > >WINTER > >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." > >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." > >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." > >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > > > >Hi, > >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech > >republic. > > > > > > > >----- > >SMS na mobily v¹ech tøí operátorù - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [129.42.241.30] From: "Stephen Assad" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:52:43 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 12:52:43.0651 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E68B530:01C15253] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Allison: I believe you are very wet, all the way! S. >From: "Allison Cunnington" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong >Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:35:46 +1000 > >Very wet in Northern Vic at the moment. Rain all the way to work from >Echuca to Kyabram and it is still very heavy. > >Allison > >-----Original Message----- >From: Godsman, Andrew AG [mailto:Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com] >Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2001 7:15 >To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' >Subject: aus-wx: Getting Wetter in Wollongong > > > >Hi list, > >Nice and wet in Wollongong this morning with steady light rain for the >last two hours now with NW winds picking up, 8/8 cover of high based >cloud. This would seem to be the first time in a while we've had a NW >cloudband with rain like this. (That I remember anyway.) > >Driving down to Melbourne tonight so I'm sure there will be a sudden >change in location for all the good action from the southern state to >Wollongong/Sydney. Pack the cameras and film guys. Also still hoping for >any wind on Sunday morning in Melbourne to have a good south component >to it, last check of forecast showed SW swinging through W to NW for >Sunday, so hopefully the SW'ly lasts until at least 10am. If there is >any good chasing going on over Fri-Sun around Melbourne, let me know on >0418 671 851. I'm staying at St Kilda, just a short hop away from Albert >Park. > >Cheers >Andrew Godsman > >EOM > >NOTICE - This message and any attached files may contain information >that is confidential and/or subject of legal privilege intended only for >use by the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or >the person responsible for delivering the message to the intended >recipient, be advised that you have received this message in error and >that any dissemination, copying or use of this message or attachment is >strictly forbidden, as is the disclosure of the information therein. 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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:43:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0.2mm in the guage to midnight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dry lasted 40 days & 40 nights... John. >snip We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of brisbane. It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 06:55:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Different! I'll have to pass on the interpretation. I go home with nothing...... Reminds me of a local one for here that the old farmers used to say. If we got a fog in February then it wont rain for another three months. It tested true many years ago when a plane crashed in fog in sthn NSW somewhere in Feb and it never rained again until late May. Will stand corrected, as usual, as I was only young when I heard that one. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sel Kerans" To: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic > Hello all, > > Some proverbs from Czech Repubklic sent in to Project Atmsophere Australia > Online - always interesting to read new stuff like this... > > Anyone care to try interpret/explain some of the less obvious ones? > > 'Medard's Hood' is a nice little mystery.... > > Hope you enjoy them. > > Sel > > > > >Dear friends fom Australia, > >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > > > >SPRING > >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." > >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." > >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." > >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." > >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > > > >SUMMER > >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." > >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." > >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > > > >AUTUMN > >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in > >winter." > >2. "November wind - brother of winter." > >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > > > >WINTER > >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." > >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." > >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." > >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > > > >Hi, > >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech > >republic. > > > > > > > >----- > >SMS na mobily v¹ech tøí operátorù - www.posliSMS.cz > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 07:55:07 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: TS Today? Re: aus-wx: These Are Hard Times Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, There may actually be the chance of TS around SE QLD today - I know the SW change is expected to push through, but it's quite weak and hopefully it will not dry out things too much (we've had some rain around the place, so that will also help). But NE'lies should push back through this afternoon - there is a weak (-13C at 500mb) upper trough looking to woffle through, some mid level instability evident somewhat around the place. Currently 23/17 here...23/18 in the city, DPs 16-17 in the Downs at the moment - but there are no hideously low DPs behind it, even those currently in the SW airstream are in the low-mid double figures, or though they should dry out somewhat during the course of the day. Just my opinion... -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 08:28:01 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, Thanks for that. I take it that this thermal trough, which may or may not actually develop into a surface feature, is also the comma shaped cloud often seen on satpics riding 500-1000km behind a leading cold front and often followed by a field of distinct cold air Cb's???? Phil >Hi Phil B, >I would call it a thermal trough,I noticed this trough in the sat pics this >morning then over the Eyre Peninsular. The term thermal always used to >confuse me as I would associate this terminology with warm air, however this >trough that passed your region is associated with colder air aloft often at >500hpa level (18,500ft). With the passing of this 'thermal trough over a >location the overriding cold air aloft results in increased lapse rates >through a good depth of the atmosphere, usually there is a wind change with >this type of system, but not a great direction change, normally i.e. >northwest to west or southwest etc. The passing of this trough also usually >marks the axis of the coldest air. Such troughs can at times produce severe >weather especially in coastal regions,they can also be a source of vorticity >and can on occasions develop into low pressure systems (cold lows).The above >is my understanding and there is probably a lot more . regards Clyve Herbert >----- Original Message ----- >From: Phil Bagust >To: >Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:04 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trough just passed through Adelaide > > >> Hi all >> >> Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal cold >> pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed through >> Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with some >> red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst and >> small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shining >> 15m before and 15m after the passage. >> >> All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast to >> Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil >> >> >> Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au >> - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - >> "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:01:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 01:03:01.0295 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3C293F0:01C152B9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all kite flyers. A very nice gale blowing as I type here at Leopold (1055hrs),sustained winds of 30knots over past 5 minutes and gusts to 47knots as this low squeezes through Bass Strait. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Weather/SEQ Weather Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:53:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 00:55:11.0798 (UTC) FILETIME=[8BEB0560:01C152B8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
Potential for an interesting day in central and southern Victoria today with a nice low level upper system crossing the region.  Again the cold air is only reaching about 450mb but with temperatures forecast to hit 19C it could make things a little interesting.  We should see some fast moving showers and possibly a thunderstorm or two later this morning and throughout the afternoon with the chance of hail with thunderstorms.  Radar shows an area of showers developing around Mlebourne and moving at about 80-90km/h in a generally easterly direction (with one cell pulsing into the pink briefly).  Low - mid level speed shear is quite nice with 30knts near the surface increasing to 50knts at about 18,000ft (hence the fast movement of the cells).  I'd love to see a little more mositure but in the NW'ly airstream we are currently sitting in I doubt it will increase much beyond what it is now.  Still something to keep the Victorians occupied (I can tell you now its a great distraction from writing tax research papers).
 
And now one for the QLD'ers (finally)......
 
It seems as though there is a chance of storms in SEQ today as per Anthony's email earlier on.  Sat pics look nice in the region but that is about all I've had time to look at.  Hope you guys get something as I know its been a while between storms.
 
Hope everyone has a nice day :-)
 
Andrew McDonald
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 10:04:44 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I remember a wonderful green hilltop near Wallington, not far from Leopold, where my Grandfather first taught me to fly kites in 1949. It used to have wonderful kite-flying winds back then too! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:01:45 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > Hi all kite flyers. > A very nice gale blowing as I type here at Leopold (1055hrs),sustained > winds of 30knots over past 5 minutes and gusts to 47knots as this low > squeezes through Bass Strait. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:17:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, Here is the 1st large image of the Leopold tornado (& there should be lots more to follow). Please note this is a video capture: http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Leopoldtornado0030.jpg Please note that all images that appear of this tornado anywhere, are & will remain copyright Clyve Herbert (ASWA Archive). Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:25:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 02:26:49.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[589B1D00:01C152C5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. My house backs onto a farm on the far south side of Leopold overlooking Reedy lake,when the cows are not in the paddock I sometimes take the boys for a bit of kite flying, but due to the rather impressive winds we get here at times it usually ends up with an untangle rope lesson... normally with me left to untangle while the boys disappear somewhere else. regards Clyve H. From: Phil Smith To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > I remember a wonderful green hilltop near Wallington, not far from > Leopold, where my Grandfather first taught me to fly kites in 1949. > It used to have wonderful kite-flying winds back then too! > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:01:45 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > > > Hi all kite flyers. > > A very nice gale blowing as I type here at Leopold (1055hrs),sustained > > winds of 30knots over past 5 minutes and gusts to 47knots as this low > > squeezes through Bass Strait. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Vic Wx Update Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 12:33:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 02:35:25.0228 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C339EC0:01C152C6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Afternoon all,
 
As per the BoM (and blatantly obvious on our sounding) the atmosphere has rapidly stabilized above 500mb.  I would speculate that the warmer air aloft has probably wrapped around the low and come back again - I guess you could call it an upper warm front of sorts (??).  It is still interesting around central and southern area with some moderate-heavy showers/cb's around and some quite gusty winds as mentioned earlier by Clyve.  Air presure at Wilsons Prom is down to 996hPa too which is quite nice.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
Subject: aus-wx: Vic Wx Update (fwd) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:15:50 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Macca transmitted: > As per the BoM (and blatantly obvious on our sounding) the atmosphere = > has rapidly stabilized above 500mb. I would speculate that the warmer = > air aloft has probably wrapped around the low and come back again - I = > guess you could call it an upper warm front of sorts (??). It is still = > interesting around central and southern area with some moderate-heavy = > showers/cb's around and some quite gusty winds as mentioned earlier by = > Clyve. Air presure at Wilsons Prom is down to 996hPa too which is quite = > nice. The 23Z MML sounding is peculiar - with nice lapse rates from the surface up to about 550 hPa, and some moisture, partially from the evaporation of yesterday's rain. An unusually strong inversion sits unusually low, between 550 and 500 hPa. But, the most amazing feature is the wind field. MML had strong flow and good turning all the way up to this inversion/tropopause hybrid at mid-levels. We had 85 knots at 500 hPa!! The Li of +8.7 in the MML sounding is fairly menaingless (another classic example). The 18Z AVN has MML in the rear left quadrant of a departing 500 hPa jet, suggesting support for lift in case you subscribe to the quadropole model. VIC needs some bigger holes in that cloud cover that keeps hanging around. The "play:" look for eddies (i.e. backed flow) in the surface obs, combined with radiative heating. What to expect: showers with cloud tops at 510.85 hPa, little or no lightning, and a downburst if you hit the jackpot. After recent events (Ballarat, Wonthaggi, Clyvetown) this kind of setup might be good for one of those unforcastable downburts/spin-ups. We just need an aus-wx: observer every 100 km^2, thanks. Harald PS: QLD coast, maybe? -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic Wx Update (fwd) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:51:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Oct 2001 03:53:40.0088 (UTC) FILETIME=[7A8E6780:01C152D1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Harald and others, It is an extremely peculiar "inversion" of sorts. It is as if our sounding is cut in half with surface to 510mb part of the sounding being typical of cold outbreak situations and then the other half from 510mb upwards being much more like a summer type sounding (apart from the shear of course). The fact that there is such a well defined "line" (talking in the horizontal sense here if you know what i mean) between the two airmasses makes it that much more impressive. It is not just a layer of warmer air but a compeletely separate airmass. Hope all the Vics are enjoying this blustery weather :-) Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Harald Richter To: Aussie Weather Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: aus-wx: Vic Wx Update (fwd) > > Macca transmitted: > > > As per the BoM (and blatantly obvious on our sounding) the atmosphere = > > has rapidly stabilized above 500mb. I would speculate that the warmer = > > air aloft has probably wrapped around the low and come back again - I = > > guess you could call it an upper warm front of sorts (??). It is still = > > interesting around central and southern area with some moderate-heavy = > > showers/cb's around and some quite gusty winds as mentioned earlier by = > > Clyve. Air presure at Wilsons Prom is down to 996hPa too which is quite = > > nice. > > The 23Z MML sounding is peculiar - with nice lapse rates from the surface > up to about 550 hPa, and some moisture, partially from the evaporation > of yesterday's rain. An unusually strong inversion sits unusually low, > between 550 and 500 hPa. But, the most amazing feature is the wind field. > MML had strong flow and good turning all the way up to this inversion/tropopause > hybrid at mid-levels. We had 85 knots at 500 hPa!! The Li of +8.7 in > the MML sounding is fairly menaingless (another classic example). > > The 18Z AVN has MML in the rear left quadrant of a departing 500 hPa jet, > suggesting support for lift in case you subscribe to the quadropole model. > VIC needs some bigger holes in that cloud cover that keeps hanging > around. The "play:" look for eddies (i.e. backed flow) in the surface > obs, combined with radiative heating. What to expect: showers with cloud tops > at 510.85 hPa, little or no lightning, and a downburst if you hit the jackpot. > > After recent events (Ballarat, Wonthaggi, Clyvetown) this kind of setup > might be good for one of those unforcastable downburts/spin-ups. > We just need an aus-wx: observer every 100 km^2, thanks. > > Harald > > PS: QLD coast, maybe? > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:18:33 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Thread-Index: AcFSu1aA3457lvwHTqOP+WrP4yfrMgAADTMA From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id VAA20904 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Very wet and windy night in Echuca last night. Thunder was heard, as well. Very windy in Kyabram at the moment. No rain, but it is a cold & overcast day here. Allison -----Original Message----- From: clyve herbert [mailto:mesof5 at iprimus.com.au] Sent: Friday, 12 October 2001 11:02 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Hi all kite flyers. A very nice gale blowing as I type here at Leopold (1055hrs),sustained winds of 30knots over past 5 minutes and gusts to 47knots as this low squeezes through Bass Strait. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ##################################################################################### Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information and copyright material. Before opening any attachments, please check for viruses and defects. 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If you go re-naming Leopold as "Clyvetown" you might get poor Clyve run out of town by his neighbours! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 13:15:50 +1000 (EST) Subject: aus-wx: Vic Wx Update (fwd) > After recent events (Ballarat, Wonthaggi, Clyvetown) this kind of setup > might be good for one of those unforcastable downburts/spin-ups. > We just need an aus-wx: observer every 100 km^2, thanks. > > Harald > > PS: QLD coast, maybe? > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port26.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.90] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 20:34:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Only very light drizzle near Caboolture...no difference and lawn still brown and dry... Send some of that Rothwell rain up the Deception Bay Road to us, thanks! Here's hoping for Sunday. Sel At 07:37 11/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of brisbane. >It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think >the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? > >David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 21:37:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com One word. "Dad" Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > Hi Phil. > My house backs onto a farm on the far south side of Leopold overlooking > Reedy lake,when the cows are not in the paddock I sometimes take the boys > for a bit of kite flying, but due to the rather impressive winds we get here > at times it usually ends up with an untangle rope lesson... normally with me > left to untangle while the boys disappear somewhere else. regards Clyve H. > > > > From: Phil Smith > To: > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:04 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > > > > I remember a wonderful green hilltop near Wallington, not far from > > Leopold, where my Grandfather first taught me to fly kites in 1949. > > It used to have wonderful kite-flying winds back then too! > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "clyve herbert" > > To: > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 11:01:45 +1000 > > Subject: aus-wx: Windy-Southern Vic. > > > > > Hi all kite flyers. > > > A very nice gale blowing as I type here at Leopold (1055hrs),sustained > > > winds of 30knots over past 5 minutes and gusts to 47knots as this low > > > squeezes through Bass Strait. regards Clyve H. > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > + > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > - > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 23:48:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? London, Paris & Thargomindah First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:15:49 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All have good and bad sides of town, exciting night life, and..... inbread deformed dogs wondering the streets? Matt Smith Jane ONeill wrote: > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p788-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.143.26] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 00:20:20 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, Jane ONeill Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Easy Jane, "" It is said that Thargomindah was the third town in the world to have electric street lighting, behind only London and Paris. " PC Jane ONeill wrote: > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:53:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This tracker is sweet!!!! i like the town names and the grid now lets see some storms pop up on it!!! Simon Angell Canberra ACT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:13 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: NEW Lightning Tracker > > Hey that's a great storm tracking map. Now how about > > bringing on some > > storms so I can watch them from here! > > http://www.northpower.com.au/ss/s_tracker.html is the actual page it > sits on, for those who like to bookmark. > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Just when I'm getting a grip on something, > Fate comes along and jumps on my fingers. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Rhett Blanch & AJ Leong" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:33:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think they are wrong there with the street lights. Tamworth NSW was the first city in the Southern Hemisphere to have electric street lighting - I remember going to several 100th anniversary functions of this (and I even have a fridge magnet) back in 1988. I just went and looked it up in my trusty Tamworth history book - in fact Tamworth had electric street lights from 9 November 1888, so that places it before the the 1893 seemingly claimed by Thargo. Sorry, they don't event have that one to claim. Tamworth's power was definitely not as "green" as Thargo's - Tamworth's lights were using coal fired electricity. Rhett -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Peter Creswick Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2001 12:20 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com; Jane ONeill Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Easy Jane, "" It is said that Thargomindah was the third town in the world to have electric street lighting, behind only London and Paris. " PC Jane ONeill wrote: > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Low SE Australia? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:42:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2001 02:43:36.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB59B550:01C15390] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Looks to be another area of vorticity developing over se Aus this weekend with the large baroclinic cloud band over NSW which seems to be taking shape. Still some cold air to mix in yet, although the 500hpa thermal trough does not seem all that strong just to the west....better than a high though...regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 14:52:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Reply from Les Lemon:- Please forgive the long time it has taken me to answer this. But I will take a shot here at attempting to add to the discussion. I find that Malcolm has got it just about right. Yes, radar can detect smoke plumes. Much of the detection capability is due to backscattered power from particulates such as ash of all sizes. At times refractive index gradients can backscatter power. These gradients are due to relatively sharp boundaries of temperature and/or moisture. But reflectivity values are below 0 dBZ when refractive index gradients are the cause of reflected radar radiation. Those above 0 dBZ are due to particulates of some type. Many airmass boundaries of all types are detected by NEXRAD or similar radars due to an increase in insect (and bird) concentrations. Those increases in concentrations are often related to the "convergence" along the boundary. In other words on one side of the boundary the wind is from the northwest and on the other side from the southeast and the airflow is said to be convergent. But those same winds carry insects and other particles whose concentrations increase owing to the airmass convergence along the boundary. Insects are essentially small "bubbles" of water and water is an excellent reflector of microwaves (radar waves). Where there are concentrations in insects then birds (predators) follow. Those birds are themselves larger "bubbles" of water and are effective reflectors themselves. Thus the radar can illuminate these increased concentrations and in turn the boundaries. Yes, Don Burgess and myself did indeed analyze the radar data from the bombing in Oklahoma City and found that there was a signal even though the radar did not scan at the proper elevation angle and azimuth for a few minutes after the explosion. But again, ash such as that from fireworks will be detected by the low noise and high sensitivity of certain radar systems like that of NEXRAD. Anomalous propagation (AP) is often caused by an inversion on the upper surface of an airmass such as rain-cooled outflow. Radar illuminating and skipping along this surface is similar to skipping rocks off the surface of water. If the rock strikes the surface with a very shallow angle, it will skip. Similarly, radar waves will skip off these inversions, reflect to the ground and then backscatter along the same path back to the radar. If one increases the elevation angle of the radar then the microwaves penetrate the inversion just as a rock striking the surface of the water will penetrate the water surface rather than skip when the angle of intercept is increased. But illumination of boundaries does not normally have anything to do with AP at all. Normally AP occurs as a concentration of very small "popcorn-like" echoes with very high reflectivity cores. They do not move appreciably but can change frequently. The mean velocities are normally zero because the energy is backscattered from the ground, which is not moving. I hope this helps. But as you see, in general Malcolm was right on target! Les Leslie R. Lemon Basic Commerce and Industries, Inc. Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Tel: 816-373-3533, Cell: 816-213-3237 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > NinnesM at franklins.com.au > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 4:52 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > Hi Dave,Ben and others, > > I have seen examples of smoke plumes being detected on radar (namely USA > NEXRAD systems), even insect swarms along atmospheric boundaries such as > seabreeze fronts, gust fronts, etc. NEXRAD systems use S-Band doppler > radars AFAIK, similar to the Grafton wavelength (S-Band ~10cm wavelength). > > I recall reading something by Les Lemon or Don Burgess once how the Oklahoma > City radar actually detected the smoke from the bombing a few years ago. A > bad example though. :( > > Also possible is "Anomalous Propagation" (AP) of the radar beam. Sharp > gradients in temperatures and humidity (such as those on the boundary of a > fire, or even a true 'inversion) could cause the radar beam to 'skip' off > the inversion-type setup (especially when the beam is at a low angle, ie. > <1degree), and then illuminate the ground. The backscattered power then > returns to the radar site along the same path, showing on the screen as a > line of echos, usually close to the antenna. I think reflectivity due to > smoke particles is more likely though, but hey, I am no radar expert. :) > > Best Regards, > Malcolm Ninnes > (Western Sydney) > > > > ---------- > > From: Ben Quinn[SMTP:benquinn at optushome.com.au] > > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2001 16:16 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > G'day Dave > > > > I noticed something simiilar here yesterday. There were several large > > fires to the north in the pine forests between Brisbane and Caloundra and > > furthern NW in the southern Sunshine Coast hinterland - the smoke from > > these fires was streaming ESE forming an anvil like appearance, and radar > > was showing a reasonably narrow line of precipitation in the same > > area. It was incredibly dry and i don't think there would have been any > > pyro Cu/Cb's around (i can't be sure because there were fires all over the > > shop and there could have been pyro's developing above the bigger fires > > further N and NW being hidden by the smoke from the smaller fires closer > > to me) so my question is the same as yours - can smoke be thick enough to > > produce echo's on radar? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dave > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 3:40 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Fire on Radar?? > > > > Hi All, > > I've noticed a heap of smoke filling all the sky down south of here > > (Wollongbar, NE NSW). It's been there all day. I've noticed on Grafton > > local radar there has been a small 'line' of precipitation all day, and > > was wondering if this could be the fire? There is still a high fire danger > > in the district with hot, dry winds easing thisarvo. Thanks > > > > Dave Ellem > > Wollongbar > > Northern Rivers > > NE NSW +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:04:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > Jane > Top 3 entries on the bin Laden target list? :-) Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "James Chambers" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:16:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Not quite "a fair bit of rain" here, or anywhere in fact. The best in Brisbane was 5mm at Kelvin Grove while at my place in Logan, only 1.8mm fell. It settled the dust until this afternoon when those damn westerlies came through. The temp reached a dry 31C here. At 5.01pm the seabreeze arrived, cooling us down a little and increasing the moisture. Earlier it looked okay for storms but it wasn't to be. Hopefully the system coming for us later in the weekend will do as forecast and drop some solid rain over us. It might be good for a distant storm later Saturday. Anyway that's all from me. Regards James Chambers Brisbane Storms: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/ > > WOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > 0.2mm in the guage to midnight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dry lasted 40 days & 40 > nights... > > John. > >snip > > We got a fair bit of rain here overnight, at Rothwell just north of > brisbane. > It still looks rainy to the east, so I think we may get some more. I think > the drought here at least has broken, what about elsewhere? > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 08:29:05 +0100 Organization: Chaotic X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wasn't Newcastle the first place to have electric (street) lighting?? The invention of the electric light bulb is now jointly credited to both Joseph Swan and Edison with Swan taking out a patent ten years BEFORE Edison and demonstrating his invention in Newcastle upon Tyne. Lord Armstrong had green electricity at Cragside, Rothbury in the 1860's - powered by hydroelectricity. Les "Besides, even Epsilons perform indispensable services." - Brave New World == Les Crossan and Christine Challen, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W les.crossan at virgin.net www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm === Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system before leaving minerva.domain (www.grisoft.com) engine: 6.0.285 / Virus Database: 151 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhett Blanch & AJ Leong" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:33 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > I think they are wrong there with the street lights. Tamworth NSW was the > first city in the Southern Hemisphere to have electric street lighting - I > remember going to several 100th anniversary functions of this (and I even > have a fridge magnet) back in 1988. I just went and looked it up in my > trusty Tamworth history book - in fact Tamworth had electric street lights > from 9 November 1888, so that places it before the the 1893 seemingly > claimed by Thargo. Sorry, they don't event have that one to claim. > Tamworth's power was definitely not as "green" as Thargo's - Tamworth's > lights were using coal fired electricity. > Rhett > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Peter > Creswick > Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2001 12:20 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com; Jane ONeill > Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > > > Easy Jane, > "" It is said that Thargomindah was the third town in the world to have > electric street lighting, behind only London and Paris. " > PC > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:04:18 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: QLD Wx Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Some interesting happenings in QLD. A nice little line of storms is currently in the W Downs giving off a bit of lightning according to tracker. This line appears to be an extension of the rainband to the south, and then also extends an area of showers to the north. West of this is another area of storms, both evident on radar/tracker in the Cunnamulla/Quilpie area. Hopefully we'll see some lightning later on tonight from that line in the W Downs. Quite warm and pleasant here, 23/20. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 19:36:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, In my travels I found the following information - so much for what I thought was a simple question ... and I still don't know what the correct answer is, but I found these snippets. "In 1878 Joseph Swan, a British scientist, invented the incandescent filament lamp and within twelve months Edison made a similar discovery in America. Swan and Edison later set up a joint company to produce the first practical filament lamp. Prior to this, electric lighting had been my crude arc lamps. Edison used his DC generator to provide electricity to light his laboratory and later to illuminate the first New York street to be lit by electric lamps, in September 1882." (http://www.codecheck.com/pp_elect.html) "Probably the first generating station in the world to serve private consumers was the Holborn Viaduct in London, which started up in 1882, supplying about 60 kilowatts of power. Also in 1882, Brighton in England had its first public supply and that year the Crystal Palace London, had its first demonstration of electric light. The Pearl Street Central Power Station in New York, was the first recorded station in America in 1882." (http://www.scholzelectrical.com.au/electricity.htm#1) "Australia was not left behind when it came to the use of electricity and it is recorded that Brisbane was one of the first cities in Australia to use electricity commercially, in 1882, making it an important event in Australian history. Looking at the map of Australia, it seems strange, that a number of country towns or cities had electricity before most of the capital cities. The town of Nhill, in the central west of Victoria had a private supply in 1888, until taken over by the Shire Council in 1921. In 1888, Tamworth supplied electricity initially for street lighting, which incidentally was the first town in Australia to use electricity for street lighting. Then in 1888, Young in the southwest portion of New South Wales, had their supply followed by Penrith, west of Sydney in 1889. In 1890 Broken Hill was next with Newcastle in 1894. The capital cities that followed after Brisbane, were Melbourne and Perth in 1894, Adelaide in 1899, Sydney 1904 and Hobart in 1905." (http://www.scholzelectrical.com.au/electricity.htm#australia) **Thargomindah - Hydro Electric Plant** "In 1893, the Bulloo Shire Council embarked on a project of drilling an artesian bore, for the town water supply. The water pressure was over 120 lbs per square inch and so it was decided that they could also take the opportunity to harness this initial and cheap source of energy, to drive a generating plant, for the supply of electricity to the town. Which formed the Thargomindah Hydro Electric Plant, 210 km west of Cunnamulla in Western Queensland. They engaged Barton & White of Brisbane, to manufacture and install two dynamos that were driven by a water wheel, made by a local blacksmith and was encased in a split ship's tank. The one inch water nozzle gave up to 20 hp and the installation was a 3-wire d.c 200/400 volts DC system and the ammeters and voltmeters were also manufactured by Barton & White. These dynamos gave a supply to about 15 consumers and came into existence prior to the passing of any relevant Queensland Legislation, but later an Order-in-Council was granted in 1899, to the Bulloo Shire Council, the fourth under the act. This effort by the Bulloo Shire Council gave Thargomindah the distinction of being the first town in Australia, to have a hydroelectric plant, supplied by an Electric Authority and to realise that this was only five years after Brisbane had an Electric Authority in 1888. Thargomindah was also the first town in Queensland to have electricity outside Brisbane. " (http://www.scholzelectrical.com.au/electricity.htm#australia) ...and a little tongue-in-cheek (but the logic makes you think twice before discounting it) "But Edison's greatest achievement came in 1879, when he invented the electric company. Edison's design was a brilliant adaptation of the simple electric circuit: The electric company sends electricity through a wire to a customer, then immediately gets the electricity back through another wire, then (this is the brilliant part) sends it right back to the customer again. This means the electric company can sell a customer the same batch of electricity thousands of times a day and never get caught, since very few customers take the time to examine their electricity closely. In fact the last year any new electricity was generated in the United States was 1937;" (http://www.cam-orl.co.uk/~fms/electricity.html) No ideas from me ...... anyone like to come up with 'the' answer? Jane > Wasn't Newcastle the first place to have electric (street) lighting?? The > invention of the electric light bulb is now jointly credited to both Joseph > Swan and Edison with Swan taking out a patent ten years BEFORE Edison and > demonstrating his invention in Newcastle upon Tyne. > > Lord Armstrong had green electricity at Cragside, Rothbury in the 1860's - > powered by hydroelectricity. > > Les > > "Besides, even Epsilons perform indispensable services." - Brave New World > == > Les Crossan and Christine Challen, > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W > les.crossan at virgin.net > www.uksevereweather.org.uk > Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm > === > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system before leaving minerva.domain > (www.grisoft.com) > engine: 6.0.285 / Virus Database: 151 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rhett Blanch & AJ Leong" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 1:33 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > > > > I think they are wrong there with the street lights. Tamworth NSW was the > > first city in the Southern Hemisphere to have electric street lighting - I > > remember going to several 100th anniversary functions of this (and I even > > have a fridge magnet) back in 1988. I just went and looked it up in my > > trusty Tamworth history book - in fact Tamworth had electric street lights > > from 9 November 1888, so that places it before the the 1893 seemingly > > claimed by Thargo. Sorry, they don't event have that one to claim. > > Tamworth's power was definitely not as "green" as Thargo's - Tamworth's > > lights were using coal fired electricity. > > Rhett > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Peter > > Creswick > > Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2001 12:20 AM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com; Jane ONeill > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > > > > > > Easy Jane, > > "" It is said that Thargomindah was the third town in the world to have > > electric street lighting, behind only London and Paris. " > > PC > > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > > > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > > > > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > > > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > > > > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port21.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.85] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 21:42:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic Cc: paa-lore at rite.ed.qut.edu.au X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id HAA12504 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Some further on the Czech proverbs and in particular "Medard's Hood" (from a search in Google.) Sel ******************** WEATHER The weather is racing towards its summer idleness and the thermometer mercury occasionally jumps over 30 degrees Celsius/86 degrees Fahrenheit. People drag themselves along in the shadows of buildings and more than one longs for only a frosty mug of good beer. Not even the leaves are moving and the deadly stuffy air can be survived only at swimming pools or lakes. Flies are falling from the heat, sometimes even planes... The first June week overwhelmed the almost 200-year-old temperature record for those days. June 6 saw 34 degrees Celsius/93 degrees Fahrenheit in Prague's Clementinum, and in Plzen 36.6 degrees Celsius/97.9 degrees Fahrenheit. On June 7 the temperature was also over 30 degrees Celsius/86 degrees Fahrenheit, so the atmosphere had to be cooled down by a storm. Nobody seemed to care that the rain came on Medard's Day. June 9's sunny weather proved wrong the old saying that rain on Medard's Day means rain for 40 days, but every other day this week has been visited by squalls. Milan Eisenhammer/Ivona Pulkrabkova >> >> >> >Dear friends fom Australia, >> >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? >> > >> >SPRING >> >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." >> >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." >> >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." >> >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." >> >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." >> > >> >SUMMER >> >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." >> >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." >> >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." >> > >> >AUTUMN >> >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in >> >winter." >> >2. "November wind - brother of winter." >> >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." >> > >> >WINTER >> >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." >> >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." >> >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." >> >4. "February white, field´s become strong." >> > >> >Hi, >> >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech >> >republic. >> > >> > >> > >> >----- >> >SMS na mobily v¹ech tøí operátorù - www.posliSMS.cz >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> Sel Kerans >> Coordinator \|/ &&&&& >> Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" >> WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ >> Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ >> EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v >> >> ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 >> >> *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** >> *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 12:52:21 +0100 Organization: Chaotic X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Edison was credited with inventing the electric chair amongst other things. His downfall was the adherance to direct current - which is not transmissable over long distances, you have to thank Tesla for persuading the electricity utility companies to use alternating current. Les "Besides, even Epsilons perform indispensable services." - Brave New World == Les Crossan and Christine Challen, Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W les.crossan at virgin.net www.uksevereweather.org.uk Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm === Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system before leaving minerva.domain (www.grisoft.com) engine: 6.0.285 / Virus Database: 151 - Release Date: 5/10/2001 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 23:55:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good stuff. But I still can't stop wondering who Medard is? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sel Kerans" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 9:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: FW Weather Proverbs from Czech Republic > Hi all, > > Some further on the Czech proverbs and in particular "Medard's Hood" (from > a search in Google.) > > Sel > > ******************** > > WEATHER > The weather is racing towards its summer idleness and the > thermometer mercury occasionally jumps over 30 degrees Celsius/86 > degrees Fahrenheit. People drag themselves along in the shadows of > buildings and more than one longs for only a frosty mug of good beer. > Not even the leaves are moving and the deadly stuffy air can be survived > only at swimming pools or lakes. Flies are falling from the heat, > sometimes even planes... > The first June week overwhelmed the almost 200-year-old temperature > record for those days. June 6 saw 34 degrees Celsius/93 degrees > Fahrenheit in Prague's Clementinum, and in Plzen 36.6 degrees > Celsius/97.9 degrees Fahrenheit. On June 7 the temperature was also over > 30 degrees Celsius/86 degrees Fahrenheit, so the atmosphere had to be > cooled down by a storm. Nobody seemed to care that the rain came on > Medard's Day. June 9's sunny weather proved wrong the old saying that > rain on Medard's Day means rain for 40 days, but every other day this > week has been visited by squalls. > Milan Eisenhammer/Ivona Pulkrabkova > > >> > >> > >> >Dear friends fom Australia, > >> >we send you some proverbs about the weather. Do you like them? > >> > > >> >SPRING > >> >1. "The March sun has got short arms and a long coat." > >> >2. "April is confused by winter and summer." > >> >3. "The weather in April is a good and a bad time together." > >> >4. "If June is rainy, the grain is lodged." > >> >5. "Medard´s hood, forty days drip." > >> > > >> >SUMMER > >> >1. "Saints Anne, chilly from stroke." > >> >2. "If in August it booms a lot, long snow winter will come." > >> >3. "In September the sunshines enough yet." > >> > > >> >AUTUMN > >> >1. "If there is in October much snow, it will be much snow in > >> >winter." > >> >2. "November wind - brother of winter." > >> >3. "November goes on the spotted hack." > >> > > >> >WINTER > >> >1. "January friends - snowstorm and frost." > >> >2. "January is beginning of the year, but summit of winter." > >> >3. "If February sparkles frost, it preaches time of future." > >> >4. "February white, field´s become strong." > >> > > >> >Hi, > >> >students from secondary school of postal service in Pilsen, Czech > >> >republic. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >----- > >> >SMS na mobily v¹ech tøí operátorù - www.posliSMS.cz > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> > >> Sel Kerans > >> Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > >> Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > >> WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > >> Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > >> EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > >> > >> ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > >> > >> *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > >> *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Sel Kerans > Coordinator \|/ &&&&& > Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" > WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ > Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ > EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v > > ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 > > *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** > *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.109.252.19] From: "steven williams" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: New Zealand Storms Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 07:26:31 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2001 07:26:31.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[6156C950:01C153B8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi john, The weather looks a bit rough in Christchurch today.(Saturday) Did you see the tornado damage over Northland on the TV news.(Tuesday) The damage was F1. The storms avoided Auckland but I could see big cells about. Bob McDavitt was telling me NZ averages 30 F1 tornados a year. The last tornado to hit Metro Auckland was back in 1991, F2 with 1 fatality. Cheers Steven Williams Auckland Weather Watcher _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p173-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.173] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 10:07:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Joy Farnan please check for virus Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Joy Farnan if you are on aissue-weather list please do not use e-mail program or internet until you you fix virus problem. You are automatically sending a virus to other's without knowing. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:02:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Total of 4.3mm at Mt. Crosby from the Sunday system from midnight to 11:00am, which is all that we will get as it is now rapidly clearing from the West. Better than nothing but still disappointing compared to Toowoomba/Oakey figures which were around 40mm. Really isn't much left in these westerly systems by the time they reach Brisbane. John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:24:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmm... In fact it is not so much the alternating current (AC) which is transmittable, but high voltage - because the higher the voltage the lower is the current required to transmit the same amount of power. And the lower the current, the less power loss due to wire resistance occurs over distance (power loss being proportional to the square of the current). There are in fact many high voltage direct current (DC) electric trains in the world (6KV to 30KV). The real advantage of AC is the practical ease with which it is converted efficiently from low to high voltage and vice versa via a simple transformer. John >snip Edison was credited with inventing the electric chair amongst other things. His downfall was the adherance to direct current - which is not transmissable over long distances, you have to thank Tesla for persuading the electricity utility companies to use alternating current. Les +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:40:48 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, We managed to get 16mm most of which fell between 6am and 8am today. But unlike western Brisbane, it has not been such a dry spell on the NSW North Coast - there have been light falls here and there, longest dry spell would have been about 10 days. regards, Michael At 11:02 AM 14/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Total of 4.3mm at Mt. Crosby from the Sunday system from midnight to 11:00am, >which is all that we will get as it is now rapidly clearing from the West. >Better than nothing but still disappointing compared to Toowoomba/Oakey >figures which were around 40mm. Really isn't much left in these westerly >systems by the time they reach Brisbane. > >John. =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 12:08:10 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, It was disappointing for Brisbane but wow at how much the rainfall dropped off between you and our farm, although a sizable difference (50km or so), they received 25mm - my parents were ecstatic, as it's been costly having to feed the cattle hay due to limited grass. Most of the rain originated in the N Downs and moved SE and missed Brisbane. AC John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi All, > > Total of 4.3mm at Mt. Crosby from the Sunday system from midnight to 11:00am, > which is all that we will get as it is now rapidly clearing from the West. > Better than nothing but still disappointing compared to Toowoomba/Oakey > figures which were around 40mm. Really isn't much left in these westerly > systems by the time they reach Brisbane. > > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 16:29:15 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Zealand Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Stephen. The weather yesterday was one of those typical horrible blustery ENE days in Christchurch with low cloud off Pegasus Bay spoiling the day. Temp only around 13C. Mind you I was morris dancing 32kms inland at Darfield, it was sunny for a while, the easterlies managed to get up there and conditions were not much better. Today the weather is much more pleasant but I think changes are in foot for the rest of the week with back to north-westerly/south-westerly conditions which may produce some interesting weather for us -- AT LAST, here's hoping !!!! Re those tornadoes up Northland way, it's a shame that no-one was on hand to record the event at Mangonui. There are lots of tornadoes (or 'mini' tornadoes as the Press/Media prefer to call them) per year around places like Northland / BOP / Taranaki and the West Coast of the South Island. Christchurch had a F1 tornado in 1983 in the suburb of Halswell. No fatalities but caused about NZ$3,000,000 of damage. Typically, I missed the storm as I was away at the time. Unfortunately, we haven't had a tornado since! It's been one year since the Southerly Storm did a lot of damage to a poorly constructed boat-marina in the Lyttelton Harbour. It was what I describe as a "Boringly Interesting" storm as it looked good on paper but nothing visually eventful of it to record as an event. Just grey nimbo-stratus, a lot of wind and rain with the normal effects resulting from it. JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc. At 07:26 13/10/01 +0000, you wrote: >Hi john, >The weather looks a bit rough in Christchurch today.(Saturday) >Did you see the tornado damage over Northland on the TV news.(Tuesday) >The damage was F1. The storms avoided Auckland but I could see >big cells about. Bob McDavitt was telling me NZ averages 30 F1 >tornados a year. The last tornado to hit Metro Auckland was back >in 1991, F2 with 1 fatality. >Cheers >Steven Williams >Auckland Weather Watcher +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 18:32:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com John 3mm from last Thursdays "event" and 7 mm from last night here in Bayside, Cleveland. Interesting to see the build up of sea-breeze scud type cloud Sat afternoon though - not seen that for a long long time. Why are all these weather systems peaking inland and dying before they reach the coast ? Next Wednesday's is expected to be similar. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Woodbridge" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! > Hi All, > > Total of 4.3mm at Mt. Crosby from the Sunday system from midnight to 11:00am, > which is all that we will get as it is now rapidly clearing from the West. > Better than nothing but still disappointing compared to Toowoomba/Oakey > figures which were around 40mm. Really isn't much left in these westerly > systems by the time they reach Brisbane. > > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an MCC / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it happening here? http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif (will show it if you are on tonight) http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port2.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.66] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:16:59 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Same story here near Caboolture - estimate about 5mm of rain - looked hopeful but didn't deliver. Sel At 18:32 14/10/01 +1000, you wrote: >John > >3mm from last Thursdays "event" and 7 mm from last night here in Bayside, >Cleveland. Interesting to see the build up of sea-breeze scud type cloud Sat >afternoon though - not seen that for a long long time. > >Why are all these weather systems peaking inland and dying before they reach >the coast ? > >Next Wednesday's is expected to be similar. > > > >Regards >Simon > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Woodbridge" >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:02 AM >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! > > >> Hi All, >> >> Total of 4.3mm at Mt. Crosby from the Sunday system from midnight to >11:00am, >> which is all that we will get as it is now rapidly clearing from the West. >> Better than nothing but still disappointing compared to Toowoomba/Oakey >> figures which were around 40mm. Really isn't much left in these westerly >> systems by the time they reach Brisbane. >> >> John. >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 20:45:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane, I don't have weather lingo or much techno understanding. BUT I'm watching what you're watching. It certainly looks exciting and I can't wait for someone else to write in and say what is going on. Rosalina > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an MCC > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > happening here? > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > Jane +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 21:00:29 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I may be a bit late but http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR633.shtml shows it all just going off the edge of the screen right now. There are a few patches at 10-20 yellow, the rest are blue. The satpics make it look pretty heavy, whatever it is. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > Evening all, > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an > MCC > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > happening here? > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > Jane > > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff,NH. Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:04:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2001 13:06:11.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF6745E0:01C154B0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil. Nice looking tropical storm east of the Philippines (21north 130 east) seems to be strengthening and not moving too fast although edging north-westward,an impressive outflow band as well seems to have better upper divergence at the moment.regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:19:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2001 13:21:34.0355 (UTC) FILETIME=[253A6E30:01C154B3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey there pples, Well - I've heard of a ring of fire but never a ring of thunderstorms! Awesome stuff there in the NT. Large storm complex formed in a ring. You can't explain it, you can't predict it (well - maybe you can explain it but I just wanted to use the lines....hehe). I have no idea what's going on up there but I sure wish i'd been sitting in the middle of that ring! Regards, Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Rosalina Champion To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > Hi Jane, > > I don't have weather lingo or much techno understanding. BUT I'm watching > what you're watching. > > It certainly looks exciting and I can't wait for someone else to write in > and say what is going on. > > Rosalina > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an MCC > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > happening here? > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > Jane > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:29:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've uploaded a loop (I missed one frame in the middle) but you'll see what I was talking about - hope it displays ok - it's the first one I've ever attempted (runs from 1037 to 1247UTC). http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/nt1014gif.gif Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > I may be a bit late but http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR633.shtml > shows it all just going off the edge of the screen right now. There are > a few patches at 10-20 yellow, the rest are blue. > The satpics make it look pretty heavy, whatever it is. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: "Aussie-wx" > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 > Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > Evening all, > > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an > > MCC > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > happening here? > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > Jane > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:59:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com How we all wish we were there in the middle somewhere!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > I've uploaded a loop (I missed one frame in the middle) but you'll see > what I was talking about - hope it displays ok - it's the first one I've > ever attempted (runs from 1037 to 1247UTC). > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/nt1014gif.gif > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > I may be a bit late but http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR633.shtml > > shows it all just going off the edge of the screen right now. There > are > > a few patches at 10-20 yellow, the rest are blue. > > The satpics make it look pretty heavy, whatever it is. > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > To: "Aussie-wx" > > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 > > Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > > > Evening all, > > > > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an > > > MCC > > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > > happening here? > > > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > + > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > - > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 05:50:34 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff,NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, JMA have named it "Haiyan" (Chinese for the seabird we call a Petrel) a couple of days ago and it has now reached Typhoon strength. I have a whole bunch of links to info on it at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm but will probably soon remove the Hong Kong related links if it keeps going North. Typhoon Haiyan seems to be confusing all the forecasters because it keeps wanting to go in different directions. JTWC are opting for a forecast track which will take it in a wide S bend neatly around all countries until it eventually hits Japan or Korea. JMA still insists it will go west and endanger Taiwan. PAGASA for some reason haven't updated their page for two days. HKO are saying nothing more specific than "the sea areas east of Taiwan" for its destination. Meanwhile, the prediction for here is that we will receive a Northerly Monsoon which will give us possible gale-force winds under a clear and sunny blue sky. It is therefore unlikely that the typhoon can approach us here. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:04:59 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff,NH. > Hi Phil. > Nice looking tropical storm east of the Philippines (21north 130 east) > seems > to be strengthening and not moving too fast although edging > north-westward,an impressive outflow band as well seems to have better > upper > divergence at the moment.regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 06:00:37 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Wow, that loop shows an impressive "ring of fire" as someone else said. It does look to me remarkably like the shape of the centre of a TC as they usually appear on radar, but is of course headed in the "wrong" direction. It also is lacking the bands around it. I'll be very interested if someone can interpret this. What are your thoughts on it, Clyve? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:29:15 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > I've uploaded a loop (I missed one frame in the middle) but you'll see > what I was talking about - hope it displays ok - it's the first one > I've > ever attempted (runs from 1037 to 1247UTC). > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/nt1014gif.gif > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > I may be a bit late but > http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR633.shtml > > shows it all just going off the edge of the screen right now. There > are > > a few patches at 10-20 yellow, the rest are blue. > > The satpics make it look pretty heavy, whatever it is. > > > > Phil > > <>< > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > To: "Aussie-wx" > > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 > > Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > > > Evening all, > > > > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is > an > > > MCC > > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > > happening here? > > > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > + > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > - > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc.. Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 09:26:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> Hi all >> >> Very nice little convergence zone / trough line in the post frontal co= ld >> pool [just what DO we call these things? Clyve??] has just passed thr= ough >> Adelaide as a tight line of small anvils. Looked sweet on radar with = some >> red action 50-80km south of Adelaide. A nice little 30kn downburst an= d >> small hail with the band and a few mm in the gauge. The sun was shini= ng >> 15m before and 15m after the passage. >> >> All dams in the Adelaide area bar one are now full. What a contrast t= o >> Melbourne [amazing the difference 800km makes]. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Phil, I know that this only goes part of the way to explaining the difference, but quite remarkably if you look at the rainfall which has fallen in Melbourne (CBD site 86071) and at Kent Town Adelaide (23090) for the five months May through September (basically the prime runoff period) you have 175mm versus 477mm! Of course, the situation in the catchments is not exactly the same, but basically, you go from above to very much above rainfall(top 10 to 30% of historical like periods) around Adelaide to very much below rainfall (lowest ~10% of historical like periods) around Melbourne. Here in Melbourne, this has been manifested in major rain events getting lost somewhere between Adelaide and Melbourne time and time again! BTW it is still earlier days, but the major models are all falling into line, in suggesting a major cold outbreak late Wednesday into Thursday for SE Aus parts. 1000-500hPa thickness values are progged to get down to about 530gpdm over southern Victoria, and into the 524-528 range over Tasmania; imply snow showers widely down to the ~500m mark, if not a little lower. With the ocean temperatures around southern Australia now significantly warmer than they were during mid-winter (see http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/temps.html) one would expect some strong shower activity with this situation, with hail and thunderstorms (cold air variety) being likely. Regards, David Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Rain Rain Rain!!!!! Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 10:38:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And what is worse, the strong dry westerly which followed the rain dried it up in record time. By 6:00pm there was no trace of rainfall left. Also was hot at Mt. Crosby on Sat, peaking at 33.7C which is the first time we have beaten Amberley in a while. John >snip Hi, Same story here near Caboolture - estimate about 5mm of rain - looked hopeful but didn't deliver. Sel +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc.. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:51:25 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > BTW it is still earlier days, but the major models are all falling into > line, in suggesting a major cold outbreak late Wednesday into Thursday for > SE Aus parts. 1000-500hPa thickness values are progged to get down to about > 530gpdm over southern Victoria, and into the 524-528 range over Tasmania; > imply snow showers widely down to the ~500m mark, if not a little lower. > With the ocean temperatures around southern Australia now significantly > warmer than they were during mid-winter (see > http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/temps.html) one would expect > some strong shower activity with this situation, with hail and thunderstorms > (cold air variety) being likely. > Also interesting if GASP comes off is the SE trajectory over southern NSW on Friday and Saturday - which makes for, potentially, a heavy snow event on the eastern side of the NSW ranges if the air stays cold enough. Some of the ranges SE of Canberra could be particularly interesting - there are numerous peaks above 1200m in this region, which could well be above the snow level. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glenn Will" To: Subject: aus-wx: kalgoorlie thunderstorms/w.a low Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:25:15 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
         Storms on the way this arvo-and not too far away!Visual observation confirms what the bureau's radar is showing-dark towering thunderheads and rain are the order for the afternoon-I have been lucky for the last couple of days,though-and have even managed to get a couple of games of golf in!
                                                                               Regards,               
                                                                                            Glenn.
From: "Andrew Godsman" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc.. Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:07:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Hopefully GASP will be right. I'll be in the middle of running a marathon at Fitzroy Falls at the time and would love to get some white stuff just to really set the scene. Although it would have to be awfully cold to get snow to that level this time of year. Just returned from Melbourne this evening. The countryside looks quite green from around the border north. All the smaller dams on properties are full with swamps by the roadsides full as well. It was quite interesting watching the rain event starting to get underway on Friday morning as we drove south into Vic. It seemed like there was some reasonable falls during the three days of showers until last night. Also, in the end after being pretty concerned about the wind direction on Sat evening, Sun morning started cool and wet with a good SW wind blowing which made the marathon course from Frankston to Albert Park a little easier. (All exept for around Beaumoris and then the last five kms!!) Cheers Andrew Godsman +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Place to be Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 19:53:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com SW corner of NT looks like the place to be at present. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "thewatherman" To: Subject: aus-wx: New Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:03:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi there ppl. i'm new to this sort of stuff so could some 1 plz help me out... thanks Jason +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:14:37 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Welcome to the list, Jason. We all started by just watching whatever everybody else wrote to get an idea of how the list works and then, when we got over our initial fears we started to answer other posts to the list and started to initiate our own. For starters everyone would love to hear who you are, where you are, and how you got interested in weather, and of course your own observations of the weather in your district. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "thewatherman" To: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:03:15 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: New > hi there ppl. > i'm new to this sort of stuff so could some 1 plz help me out... > thanks > Jason > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p876-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.143.114] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 23:24:12 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jason, Welcome to the list. Perhaps you would like to ask specifically what you want help on? That's the easiest way. Jimmy Deguara At 09:03 PM 15/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >hi there ppl. >i'm new to this sort of stuff so could some 1 plz help me out... >thanks >Jason > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:20:34 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, i only saw that uploaded radar loop but some interesting things. The ring seemd to expand and rotate anti-cylconically, like some sort of barolcinic gradient (front) was forcing some motion. Maybe some sort of inertial oscillation could cause this but the time is wrong for these things, plus this is very large scale. I think the ring seems to have broken down, some synoptic charts and wind obs could help to see if maybe an equatorial wave closed off or soemthing like that???? No clue, lyle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 3:00 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > Wow, that loop shows an impressive "ring of fire" as someone else said. > It does look to me remarkably like the shape of the centre of a TC as > they usually appear on radar, but is of course headed in the "wrong" > direction. It also is lacking the bands around it. > I'll be very interested if someone can interpret this. What are your > thoughts on it, Clyve? > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jane ONeill" > To: > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:29:15 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > I've uploaded a loop (I missed one frame in the middle) but you'll see > > what I was talking about - hope it displays ok - it's the first one > > I've > > ever attempted (runs from 1037 to 1247UTC). > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/nt1014gif.gif > > > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > I may be a bit late but > > http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR633.shtml > > > shows it all just going off the edge of the screen right now. There > > are > > > a few patches at 10-20 yellow, the rest are blue. > > > The satpics make it look pretty heavy, whatever it is. > > > > > > Phil > > > <>< > > > > > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > > > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > > > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > > > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Jane ONeill" > > > To: "Aussie-wx" > > > Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 22:00:27 +1000 > > > Subject: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > > > > > Evening all, > > > > > > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is > > an > > > > MCC > > > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > > > happening here? > > > > > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > > > > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > > + > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- > > -- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 02:19:29.0242 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC0ABBA0:01C155E8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Morning all,
 
The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one.  There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list.  It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm.  It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever.  Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. 
 
I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think).  I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes.  At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later.  We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors.  Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house.  During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too.  I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close.  Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:49:38 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Andrew asserted this: > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy > this topic. The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved shelf cloud. I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft high. That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm or deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there wasn't much else to the storm. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: hdewit at mail.sa.bom.gov.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:32:55 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Hank de Wit Subject: aus-wx: Splitting storms in SA Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com As some of you think the list has been a bit quiet of late you might be interested in a splitting storm observed on satellite imagery over the NW corner of SA yesterday. I have saved some of the satellite images, sounding and hodographs on a web page: http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/hdewit/split_storm/index.html I hope to add more data including radar data and improve the text as soon as I have a few spare minutes. Cheers Hank +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 13:39:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 10km and then some - i can't find the radar loop for that day (November 6, 2000) but from memory the strongest part of the squall line was a good 30-40k's long and from my vantage point at Bracken Ridge the shelf cloud stretched along the whole western horizon http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_08.shtml a pan of the best looking part of the line with one cell starting to 'buldge out' http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml 10 minutes later ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > Andrew asserted this: > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy > > this topic. > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved shelf > cloud. > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft high. > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm or > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:16:40 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 04:16:40.0930 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B412C20:01C155F9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Thanks for suggesting this topic Andrew

The most memorable storm was when I was young, maybe 8, in a place called Katandra West.  From the west came a gathering darkness, the like I'd only experienced before with the onset of night.  Lightning doesn't figure in my memory of this event, only the gloom and then the heavy rain - 3 inches in an hour, which was a huge amount for that part of the world.  Such were the torrents unleashed that the shire decided our little village needed kerb and guttering.  It was like the storm presaged the settlement growing up into a town.


 



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From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:22:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 05:19:55.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[30F12D40:01C15602] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi all, I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going as I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I find it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in Terrey Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying with my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it looked pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all the horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the fire was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay so he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house & advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where unaware that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & volcanoes etc after going thru this. Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the neighbours house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my heart pounding. So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a huge barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Andrew asserted this: > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy > this topic. The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved shelf cloud. I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft high. That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm or deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there wasn't much else to the storm. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail.dat" Subject: aus-wx: SA/NT Border To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:33:07 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hank tripped the convective alarm system with the word > left-mover precipitating a dive into today's data for a chase country that offers N=1 road options - the SA/NT border region. With some good will the Giles and Coober Pedy (and surrounding) surface data can be taken to indicate a surface low somwhere in NW SA. Surface dewpoints in the region are 15+ C, with the pre-system moisture depth (in NE SA) being anyone's guess. The 23/15 UTC Giles sounding from this morning shows a nervous straight-line hodograph (as opposed to yesterday's fine-looking anti-clockwise turning beast). Flow aloft is still stout along a deep-layer baroclinic zone that is draped across most of the continent. CAPE is present and confined to the lower levels. VIS and lightning tracker show some large storms aligned parallel to the baroclinic zone from WNW - ESE. Hank, did you receive any reports yesterday/today regarding these storms? Armchair chasing continues ... Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:57:05 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:22, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as TJ asserted this: > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > volcanoes etc after going thru this. Was the damage and debris converging in random directions, in a fairly straight line of damage? If so that could be tornadic damage. To get a trampoline up that high you would need something pretty good. Any more experience wx watchers want to confirm or deny this? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: hdewit at mail.sa.bom.gov.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:38:22 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Hank de Wit Subject: Re: aus-wx: SA/NT Border Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 03:33 PM 16/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hank tripped the convective alarm system with the word > > > left-mover > >precipitating a dive into today's data for a chase country that offers >N=1 road options - the SA/NT border region. > >With some good will the Giles and Coober Pedy (and surrounding) surface >data can be >taken to indicate a surface low somwhere in NW SA. Surface dewpoints in >the region are 15+ C, >with the pre-system moisture depth (in NE SA) being anyone's guess. > >The 23/15 UTC Giles sounding from this morning shows a nervous >straight-line hodograph >(as opposed to yesterday's fine-looking anti-clockwise turning >beast). Flow aloft is still stout >along a deep-layer baroclinic zone that is draped across most of the >continent. >CAPE is present and confined to the lower levels. > >VIS and lightning tracker show some large storms aligned parallel to the >baroclinic >zone from WNW - ESE. > >Hank, did you receive any reports yesterday/today regarding these storms? > >Armchair chasing continues ... Harald Hi Harald, Only a report of hail at Giles itself at 0421, but that's miles to the NW from the splitting storm. The area is too sparsely populated. I've collected some radar imagery but there is some missing reports at about the time in question, and then the radar goes into wind-find and there is a BIG gap. Cheers Hank +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave Ellem" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:20:19 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 06:20:19.0931 (UTC) FILETIME=[A152E2B0:01C1560A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi! Well, I've only been storm chasing 5 times now, but my 3rd chase is my best so far. January 17th 2001, Casino NE NSW. I got to sit between 2 supercells. One a Classic Supercell(or LP, I'm not sure what the experts called it): http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de24.jpg One a monster HP Supercell, which really hammered Casino: http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg Was certainly amazing, and even more amazing to get caught in the middle of it! Fortuneatley we only got golf ball hail where we stopped in the storm. In Casino we found 7cm hail! I'm sure it will remain my most memorable for quite some time! Dave Ellem Wollongbar, Northern Rivers, NE NSW _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:11:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 07:09:34.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[823504B0:01C15611] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com sorry for my ignorance in this department, but I am not entirely sure of the difference between cyclone & tornado activity, but the debris was scattered everywhere. It happened in 1990 or 91? -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 3:57 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:22, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as TJ asserted this: > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > volcanoes etc after going thru this. Was the damage and debris converging in random directions, in a fairly straight line of damage? If so that could be tornadic damage. To get a trampoline up that high you would need something pretty good. Any more experience wx watchers want to confirm or deny this? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [198.142.252.205] From: "Shaun Whelan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:49:50 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 07:49:50.0324 (UTC) FILETIME=[2253D340:01C15617] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Howdy all. The one that sticks in my mind most was around 88/89/90 (can't remember which year exactly) when I was on my way home from work at Mascot to Wollongong.As soon as I left work I could see this storm and thought to myself, "that's a big bugger." It was. I don't think you could of not seen it from the whole Sydney basin. Anyway, I'd just gone through Heathcote and the front of it was just about over the top of me. Big. High. Ugly. Black. Very, very black. Did I mention it was black. So, onto the F6 and it's on with the lights. Not used to turning on the lights mid-afternoon (3ish). Black. Driving under it and craning my head up I could still see the front wall of it. Damn near vertical. As I got right under it I thought "maybe this wasn't such a good idea". Looked in the rear view mirror, half the sky is black (did I mention that ?), 1/4 blue and the rest the road and trees. At that time I didn't know about mammatus and such so I can't really describe any features except for the colour (guess). I thought about pulling over under a bridge but I thought I'd be asking for a rear ender if I did that. Anyway, I made it home and went to the pub (Fountain on the Mountain) for an ale or three. The news comes on and there's been a massive pile up on the F6 near the Princes Highway bridge at the Darkes Forest turn off.Hail like you wouldn't believe. I didn't hear of any other damage anywhere, probably because it was moving towards the Royal National Park and the ocean. But the hail was still there 24 hours later about 2-3 inches deep for about 1 kilometer. Does anybody remember this storm? Exact dates ?. Number of cars involved ?. I'll always remember it for being black and bloody high.Enough rambling. Gotta go cook dinner. Cheers Wheels Nowra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p340-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.86] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:52:33 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew, Good topic. Was that by any chance November 10th 1997. Great week I must say. Well obviously, without sticking my head out, I have to say the experience on the 29th May 2001 in the US still gives me one hell of a buzz. I actually tremble watching the video - now on CD. And I know David Croan is the same. To see a probable F4 tornado (well I believe it to be) and not to go the US expect such is when hell of an inspiring experience. I can only recommend others to go the US - hopefully the situation would be a little quieter by then and the exchange rate be a little friendlier. Anyway that is my best experience which will stay with me forever. Jimmy Deguara At 12:17 PM 16/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Morning all, > >The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an >interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm >experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there >amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't >necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, >firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for >a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will >enjoy this topic. > >I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens >of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my >mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home >with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting >my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which >produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes. At >about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were >watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the >booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were inside at the >time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen >doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore >through the house. During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive >amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and >we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too. I don't know for >sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away >could've been the culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't >remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in >eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near >Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p340-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.86] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:13:21 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Shaun, I am wondering whether the storm you are talking about was in late winter or Spring 1987. There was a hail drift then that piled on the freeway to about 10cm. It fits well the description blackness - hail and in that area. This storm just missed my area of my work at Auburn at the time. It may have been another storm though. But I have checked the database and it seems the date of your storm is: 23 Nov 1988 - occurring over the Bowral area. 2.5cm hail reported and many cars damaged.... This occurred during the infamous week of severe hailstorms to which I can attribute my failure of second year Physics course even though I had about a week to study. Well you what I was doing... It was at that time, I realised I had a real problem. Even though I closed the blinds to study and almost chained myself to the chair. I kid you not, I simply could not study knowing what was going on out there. And basically I gave up. Jimmy Deguara At 05:49 PM 16/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Howdy all. > The one that sticks in my mind most was around 88/89/90 (can't > remember which year exactly) when I was on my way home from work at > Mascot to Wollongong.As soon as I left work I could see this storm and > thought to myself, "that's a big bugger." It was. I don't think you could > of not seen it from the whole Sydney basin. Anyway, I'd just gone through > Heathcote and the front of it was just about over the top of me. Big. > High. Ugly. Black. Very, very black. Did I mention it was black. So, onto > the F6 and it's on with the lights. Not used to turning on the lights > mid-afternoon (3ish). Black. Driving under it and craning my head up I > could still see the front wall of it. Damn near vertical. As I got right > under it I thought "maybe this wasn't such a good idea". Looked in the > rear view mirror, half the sky is black (did I mention that ?), 1/4 blue > and the rest the road and trees. At that time I didn't know about > mammatus and such so I can't really describe any features except for the > colour (guess). I thought about pulling over under a bridge but I thought > I'd be asking for a rear ender if I did that. Anyway, I made it home and > went to the pub (Fountain on the Mountain) for an ale or three. The news > comes on and there's been a massive pile up on the F6 near the Princes > Highway bridge at the Darkes Forest turn off.Hail like you wouldn't > believe. I didn't hear of any other damage anywhere, probably because it > was moving towards the Royal National Park and the ocean. But the hail > was still there 24 hours later about 2-3 inches deep for about 1 > kilometer. Does anybody remember this storm? Exact dates ?. Number of > cars involved ?. I'll always remember it for being black and bloody > high.Enough rambling. Gotta go cook dinner. > > Cheers Wheels Nowra > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p340-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.86] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:32:46 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Coming AMOS functions - please read X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id GAA12661 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com NEWSLETTER No. 2001/4 October 2001 Sydney Centre Committee for 2001: Chair Milton Speer BoM Vice Chair Elly Spark BoM Secretary Michael Box Uni of New South Wales Treasurer Angela Maharaj Macquarie University Committee Gail Box Uni of New South Wales Julie Evans BoM Paul Graham Macquarie University Neil Holbrook Macquarie University Neale Moodie BoM Alan Williams Sydney Uni (retired). This Newsletter has much more information than usual, so please note carefully. Item 1: October Meeting. The speaker for this month’s meeting is Dr Bruce Buckley who will be talking about the Weather Channel. The meeting will be held at the Bureau of Meteorology. See attached sheet for details. Item 2: Committee Positions, 2002. We call now for your nominations for positions on the Centre Committee for 2001. We would especially like to broaden our representation from just Universities and BoM. Nominations should go to Milton Speer, M.Speer at bom.gov.au. Item 3: Christmas Function. The Christmas function and AGM will held on December 7th in the Jade Room of the Silver Spring Chinese restaurant, 1477 Pitt St., at cnr Hay St., Haymarket. See attached sheet for details. NOTICE OF OCTOBER SCIENTIFIC MEETING The next meeting of the AMOS Sydney Centre will be held on Wednesday 24 October, 2001. Venue: Bureau of Meteorology Corner of 300 Elizabeth, and Foveaux Streets, Sydney. Time: 6:15 pm for a 6:30 pm start. Please note the following · Because of security considerations in the BoM building, it is advisable to arrive by 6:15pm. However, someone will come down to check for any late-comers at both 6:30 and 6:45pm. · The Speaker will be joining the Committee for dinner after the talk at Taylor’s hotel and bistro, across the street. All members of the audience are invited to join them. The program includes announcements, the current weather situation and forecasts for the week. This will be followed by a presentation by; Dr. Bruce Buckley The Weather Channel: Now and in the Future The Weather Channel, broadcast via satellite to Austar’s 1.4 million viewers across all States and Territories except WA, is Australia’s only television channel dedicated to the broadcast of weather and climate information to the Australian public. This places the Channel in an excellent position to work in closely with the Bureau of Meteorology, Research Institutions and Emergency Services to deliver the best possible weather warning services to the Australian community. What the Channel is currently delivering, how the Channel interacts with the Australian Public, and what is likely to be provided in coming years will be discussed. CHRISTMAS FUNCTION The 2001 Christmas function/AGM will be held in Friday December 7. It will be a Chinese banquet, see menu below. There will also be an after diner speaker. Venue: Jade Room Silver Spring Chinese Restaurant 1477 Pitt Street, Sydney. (corner Hay St., Haymarket.) Time: 7.30 pm Cost: Full price per person $29.50 AMOS Student members $19.50 New AMOS Student Members $29.50 (includes 1 year free AMOS membership) Retirees/pensioners $19.50 This is for the meal only. AMOS will subsidise wine and beer up to $150. Booking: RSVP by 4th December Dr Michael Box Phone: 9385 4545 Email: mab at newt.phys.unsw.edu.au School of Physics University of New South Wales UNSW SYDNEY NSW 2052 MENU Steamed Seafood Dim Sum Platter (prawn dumpling, scallop dumpling & veg dumpling) Peking Duck (pancake roll crispy roast duck skin) Chilli Prawn (moderately hot served with poached cabbage) Dice Fillet Steak with black pepper (stir fried prime steak with soy sauce and broccoli) Deep fried Calamari with salt and pepper Silver Spring Eggplant (fried and stew eggplant strips with red chilli, onion special sauce, mild, hot and good flavour) Fish Fillet in Clay Pot (fried and baked with ginger & shallot, onion, prime soy sauce, served in hot pot) Fried Rice & Boiled Rice Fresh fruit Platter Coffee or Tea ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [198.142.252.61] From: "Shaun Whelan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:54:51 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 10:54:51.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB689A80:01C15630] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, It was definately '88 or onwards.Hail was thick on the ground a day later. Too many schooners since then to recollect specifics but Nov sounds familiar. Thanks Wheels Nowra _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Godsman" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:07:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Probably my best memorable storm experience was one time as about a 13-14 year old (I think) in Wollongong. A typical mid-eighties southerly buster arose about 7:30-8pm. It had been very hot and I was just sitting out on the back step watching what was just a featureless high blanket of cloud. Further west there was a linr of storm activity which was moving north at a great rate with lightning behind the rain curtain flashing away every second.
 
As I watched a small scuddy cloud started drifting north from just south of Oak Flats. A s it travelled the original spawning site of the scud kept producing, but as that little scud travelled north in grew and grew and then the top disppeared into the high cloud. Before I knew it another line of storms was moving north, parallel to the first further west. Lightning became very frequent but I don't remember much rain. I ended up being quarantined indoors as more storms occurred overhead from. But my most vivid memory comes later that night, gazing out the bedroom window and seeing what could almost have been mistaken for UFO activity as small areas of cloud were lit up by lightning, sometimes going in circles around the sky, 5-6 cloud bases in a circular pattern. It was amazing and the constant thunder that night threatened to never let me get to sleep. I also remember hearing a warning over the Wollongong local radio advising against travelling by car up the escarpment as lightning was striking everything that moved. Absolutely awesome night, and just so lovely to watch such a storm grow from a tiny scuddy cloud drifting north.
 
My modern day bests would have to be catching the snowfalls at Robertson on July 27th 2000, it was great to hear of the possibility via this list, then to check the radar on the ASWA site and see the cold air and rain moving north, then to arrive at the right spot just before it all happened. And for storms and rainfall it was the flooding of October 24th 1999 again in Wollongong, where for a second consecutive year people who probably haven't seen water in their yards for 20-30 years were completely flooded out again. Unfortunately. Watching it unfold and then being cut off from Wollongong is something that I never thought possible.
 
Cheers
Andrew Godsman
X-Originating-IP: [198.142.252.61] From: "Shaun Whelan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Question Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 21:32:26 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 11:32:27.0103 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B968EF0:01C15636] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com With the new BoM radar access for everyone, I was wondering if you can access the broadscale radar loops. I tried using the password and username that's available but it seems to only show 1 frame even though the counter is showing more. If I'm stuffing up somewhere please let me know as it's a pain going through my login details from work (5 screens I think).Please try this loop with the details you can get from the net and let me know if it works or not.It should show a cell to the east of Moruya that appears to be rotating. I'm not available on the list during working hours but can recieve mail at shaun.whelan at defence.gov.au. Sorry for being a pain Wheels Nowra http://www.bom.gov.au/defence/radar/IDR031.loop.shtml _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Man" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Question Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 22:11:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The only thing I can think of is the version of Internet browser you are using????? The best is to use Internet Explorer 5 , 5.5 or higher... Jason º¿º ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Whelan" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:32 PM Subject: aus-wx: Question > With the new BoM radar access for everyone, I was wondering if you can > access the broadscale radar loops. I tried using the password and username > that's available but it seems to only show 1 frame even though the counter > is showing more. If I'm stuffing up somewhere please let me know as it's a > pain going through my login details from work (5 screens I think).Please try > this loop with the details you can get from the net and let me know if it > works or not.It should show a cell to the east of Moruya that appears to be > rotating. I'm not available on the list during working hours but can recieve > mail at > shaun.whelan at defence.gov.au. > Sorry for being a pain > Wheels Nowra > > http://www.bom.gov.au/defence/radar/IDR031.loop.shtml > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:52:46 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Thread-Index: AcFV/IKg8OnxCOCVTzy/WUNcu76yuAAAHggw From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id AAA28320 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This reminds me of a storm when I was in early high school, in a place called Bamawm. It was a Saturday morning, in the summer, and in a very short space of time the sky above produced this amazing hail storm. Our whole front yard (and being on a farm - it was big) was white. The hail stones were quite large too and took a little while to melt. What surprised us more was that when we rang up to see if Tennis was cancelled due to the storm, they asked why? It was nice and sunny and they hadn't seen a drop of rain! and this was only 3 blocks from our house! Allison -----Original Message----- From: michael king [mailto:mskikey at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 2:17 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Thanks for suggesting this topic Andrew The most memorable storm was when I was young, maybe 8, in a place called Katandra West. From the west came a gathering darkness, the like I'd only experienced before with the onset of night. Lightning doesn't figure in my memory of this event, only the gloom and then the heavy rain - 3 inches in an hour, which was a huge amount for that part of the world. Such were the torrents unleashed that the shire decided our little village needed kerb and guttering. It was like the storm presaged the settlement growing up into a town. _____ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ##################################################################################### Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. 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Cloud has increased and getting very dark. No rain yet though. Has been reasonably humid for most of the day. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Andrew [mailto:macca_wx at iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:17 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Morning all, The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful. Regards, Andrew McDonald ##################################################################################### Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information and copyright material. Before opening any attachments, please check for viruses and defects. 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27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Morning all,
 
The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one.  There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list.  It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm.  It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever.  Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. 
 
I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think).  I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes.  At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later.  We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors.  Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house.  During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too.  I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close.  Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:33:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2001 22:36:04.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0515300:01C15692] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Bussie,
 
You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more info on that storm?
 
I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January but I for some reason November stuck in my head.  Ah well - thanks for that anyway!
 
Macca
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussie
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Morning all,
 
The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one.  There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list.  It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm.  It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever.  Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. 
 
I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think).  I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes.  At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later.  We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors.  Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house.  During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too.  I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close.  Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:52:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all, Yeah, it was in January Macca. When you said November, I thought it may have been a different storm, but I remembered Ray Kollmorgen at the BoM telling me of it as it also happened the same day as my Halls Gap supercell and associated tornado. PaulY -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Andrew Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 08:34 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Bussie, You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more info on that storm? I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January but I for some reason November stuck in my head. Ah well - thanks for that anyway! Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Bussie To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms 27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Morning all, The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful. Regards, Andrew McDonald +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:47:58 +1000 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Thread-Index: AcFV7P23vidMaiuaSMWT0jmefZgypwAAJr8gACmEXhA= From: "Allison Cunnington" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id SAA10110 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I mentioned that things were looking interesting in Kyabram yesterday, well on my way home (about 5:30pm) it was very hard to concentrate on the road ahead of me. There was this amazing cell. Now I am still a novice at this and are not fully aware of all the technical terminology; but the updraft was very clear, the colours in it were astonishing and it was the most awesome thing that I have ever seen. I just had to race home and get my camera. I did get a few shots, but wishing that I had a much better camera to truly capture this amazing sight. It was heading in a north east towards Nathalia and I could have watched it for ages, but unfortunately I didn't have the time last night to do so. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Allison Cunnington Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 3:32 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Looks interesting here in Kyabram at the moment. Cloud has increased and getting very dark. No rain yet though. Has been reasonably humid for most of the day. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Andrew [mailto:macca_wx at iprimus.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:17 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Morning all, The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful. Regards, Andrew McDonald ######################################################################## ############# Notice: If you are not an authorised recipient of this e-mail, please contact Dawes & Vary immediately by return e-mail or by telephone on (03) 5852 1055 and destroy any copies of the e-mail. This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may contain legally privileged information and copyright material. Before opening any attachments, please check for viruses and defects. 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Hi all
 
The most memorable storm Ive ever been through was in 1995 when I was 12.
 
It was late October in Mareeba (Nth QLD) and we were looking at the possibility of our first thunderstorm of the season. The first one on the Atherton Tablelands (North Queensland) is always great. Anyway, surprisingly that afternoon the towering cumulus clouds began developing to the East of us on the Great Dividing Range. (This hardly ever happens in Mareeba, they usually develop on the actual tablelands to the South or west of them)
 
I was out playing backyard cricket at a neighbours place during the afternoon, and in typical 12 year old style once I got out I threw a tantrum and left the game. On my way across the road to get back home, I noticed a slight greenish tinge in the sky to the East where the storm was really approaching a mature stage, the green was followed by a the blackest Cumulonimbus underbelly,with lightning easily being seen despite the sun still shining from the west. What a site, it would've made a great photo.
 
As I got inside the house I began hearing the low rumbles, I was the only one home, my parents had gone to Cairns for the day, so I set about shutting the garage and doing all the usual stuff you do before a storm hits. The heat gave way to a cold Easterly wind which intensified steadily. I noticed that the people from the cricket game I was just at, just stood and looked at the sky, as did a few other neighbours ( I don't remember the sky ever turning green in Mareeba before or since this storm) Suddenly and without notice all the lights and power came off, the wind was really howling now, large raindrops began to fall. I hurried to get my rain guage set up and secured. Up until this point, the sun was still out, but an eery darkness now occured as the sun fell behind the top of the CB cloud.
 
Large rain gave way to hail which was falling almost horizontally, then the brightest lightning strike I'd ever seen struck the ground, not more than 15 metres away from my window. It was a strange red, then orange then yellow (To this day, I dont know why all three colours were seen) followed by the loudest CRACK and then roar of thunder, it was a deafening roar which seemed to go on for ever. The rain pounded on for more than an hour. As the storm was almost over and a brilliant light blue appeared to the East we were once again pounded by some more hail (hail was quite small, but it occurs about once every 5 years in Mareeba so it was quite a sight).
 
Just as suddenly as it started, it stopped. I went outside to be greeted with a light Westerly wind and some very light drizzle. I looked to the West where I thought the storm would have traveled towards, but all I saw was the whispy Cirrus clouds. and the sun was shining with a halo around it. There were puddles everywhere and my little creek in the backyard was overflowing. Surprisingly only two small trees were downed in my backyard, but a large tree fell on a car down the road in another person's yard.
 
My rain guage read 137.5mm in just over an hour, the confirmed figures though were: 28.6mm from Mareeba QWRC  and 54.7mm from Mareeba Airport (Closer to my place) the storm was very localised and there were uncomfirmed reports in the paper of a mini tornado which blew the roof off two houses in the Northern part of mareeba.
 
This was my most vivid memory of a storm, I can remember it better than the couple of recent cyclones that hit Townsville, or the floods of Townsville in 1998, or the Hailstorm of Sydney in 1988 (admittedly I was very young in 1988). This probably sounds like an average storm for you Southerners, but for us in NQ it was unique and I have never seen anything else like it since.
 
Hopefully Townsville might see our first for this season this arvie or tomorrow.
 
CHEERS: Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Bussie,
 
You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more info on that storm?
 
I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January but I for some reason November stuck in my head.  Ah well - thanks for that anyway!
 
Macca
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussie
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Morning all,
 
The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one.  There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list.  It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm.  It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever.  Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. 
 
I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think).  I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes.  At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later.  We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors.  Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house.  During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too.  I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close.  Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: weather humour Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:14:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Saw some of Jane's weather humour on the weatherzone forum the other day, so was inspired to write this (took about 2 minutes, so spare the criticism) :) Also helps if you know the original tune... Why Does It Always Rain On Me? (was Travis) ------------------------------------------- I can't sleep tonight Everybody saying everything's alright Still I can't close my eyes I'm seeing a funnel at the end of all these lights Sunny days Where have you gone? I get the strangest feeling you belong Why does it always rain on me? Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? Why does it always rain on me? Even when the sun is shining I still hunt for lightning I can't stand myself I'm being held up by an invisible man Still life on a shelf when I got my mind on something else Sunny days Where have you gone? I get the strangest feeling you belong Why does it always rain on me? Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? Why does it always rain on me? Even when the sun is shining I still hunt for lightning Oh, where did the blue skies go? Not near that meso, It's so cold I can't sleep tonight Everybody's saying GASP and AVN is all right Still I can't close my eyes I'm seeing a funnel at the end of the lights Sunny days Where have you gone? I get the strangest feeling you belong Why does it always rain on me? Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? Even when the sun is shining I still hunt for lightning Oh, where did the blue skies go? And why is it raining so? It's so cold Why does it always rain on me? Why does it always rain on.... ------- Rest assured, I won't give up my day job... :) Malcolm Ninnes Unix Systems Admin National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd Ph. (02) 9722-1862 ninnesm at franklins.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:27:45 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Most memorable storm would have been in 90/91. In Burwood (Sydney) we had never had large hail as far as the neighbours could remember, and since then we still have not had it. We had 2cm hail. Now you may all think woopy, 2cm big deal. But i was about 11/12 years old and the memory of hail falling out of a cloud above me whist the sun was shining at the same time was amazing. I guess most people remember storms with large hail, or a CG that hit very close to their location. I cant really single out any 1 memborable storm. All are special in their own unique way, and thats why so many are memorable. Matthew Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc.. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:25:42 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi all, > > Hopefully GASP will be right. I'll be in the middle of running a marathon at > Fitzroy Falls at the time and would love to get some white stuff just to > really set the scene. Although it would have to be awfully cold to get snow > to that level this time of year. > > Just returned from Melbourne this evening. The countryside looks quite green > from around the border north. All the smaller dams on properties are full > with swamps by the roadsides full as well. It was quite interesting watching > the rain event starting to get underway on Friday morning as we drove south > into Vic. It seemed like there was some reasonable falls during the three > days of showers until last night. Also, in the end after being pretty > concerned about the wind direction on Sat evening, Sun morning started cool > and wet with a good SW wind blowing which made the marathon course from > Frankston to Albert Park a little easier. (All exept for around Beaumoris > and then the last five kms!!) > > Cheers > Andrew Godsman > Are you really planning to run marathons on successive weekends? I'm impressed - it took me about 10 days to recover to a reasonable state last time and I gather that's faster than most. How was your time in Melbourne? (Can't imagine that the Fitzroy Falls course will be any faster). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:51:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 00:54:11.0189 (UTC) FILETIME=[3BDB9250:01C156A6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Pauly, Thanks for that. I have always wondered whether the BoM had recognised that tornado. Its not in their severe weather summaries but I am under the impression that not every report makes it into those summaries. I will now be able to add that one to the tornado map I have on my bedroom wall.....the way we are going Victoria is going to end up just one big red pin (red pins = tornadoes on my map) . As you can see from this topic we have brought out some of the lurkers on the list to tell their stories yet I haven't heard too much from the regulars - Clyve, Jane, Anthony, David Croan, Harald, Pauly, Phil, Sel, Bussie and many others. Comon guys and gals - lets get it all out in the open.....hehe. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Yole To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Hey all, > > Yeah, it was in January Macca. When you said November, I > thought it may have been a different storm, but I remembered > Ray Kollmorgen at the BoM telling me of it as it also > happened the same day as my Halls Gap supercell and > associated tornado. > > PaulY > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > Andrew > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 08:34 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Bussie, > > You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more > info on that storm? > > I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January > but I for some reason November stuck in my head. Ah well - > thanks for that anyway! > > Macca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bussie > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > 27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm. > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Morning all, > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start > a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their > most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be > some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people > that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be > a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, > blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the > list that will enjoy this topic. > > I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through > chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one > particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was > sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my > younger sister and I had either just finished or was just > starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us > at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few > close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second > storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching > torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the > booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were > inside at the time and standing at our back door which is > one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash > and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. > During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts > of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there > is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time > too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think > the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the > culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber > the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in > eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which > is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the > date gap I would be very grateful. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc.. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:57:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc..

Blair,

This weekends marathon is more of an enjoyable event whereas last weekend was an outright race. Being all on walking and firetrails means you can much more easily switch off and cruise, although I'm sure my legs will remind me at some early stage that maybe I should be taking it easier. Anyway, you've got to do what you enjoy.

My time in Melbourne was 2:49:01, but I'm awaiting the official results to be posted on the net today to see whether it places me in the top 20 or not. this weekend I'd be more than happy to finish feeling happy and with a time anywhere under 3:30.

Andrew

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From: Blair Trewin [mailto:blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 11:26 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dams around Melbourne etc..


>
> Hi all,
>
> Hopefully GASP will be right. I'll be in the middle of running a marathon at
> Fitzroy Falls at the time and would love to get some white stuff just to
> really set the scene. Although it would have to be awfully cold to get snow
> to that level this time of year.
>
> Just returned from Melbourne this evening. The countryside looks quite green
> from around the border north. All the smaller dams on properties are full
> with swamps by the roadsides full as well. It was quite interesting watching
> the rain event starting to get underway on Friday morning as we drove south
> into Vic. It seemed like there was some reasonable falls during the three
> days of showers until last night. Also, in the end after being pretty
> concerned about the wind direction on Sat evening, Sun morning started cool
> and wet with a good SW wind blowing which made the marathon course from
> Frankston to Albert Park a little easier. (All exept for around Beaumoris
> and then the last five kms!!)
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Godsman
>

Are you really planning to run marathons on successive weekends? I'm
impressed - it took me about 10 days to recover to a reasonable state
last time and I gather that's faster than most. How was your time in
Melbourne? (Can't imagine that the Fitzroy Falls course will be any
faster).

Blair
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From: "Andrew" To: Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Weather Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:00:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 05:02:22.0936 (UTC) FILETIME=[E807D580:01C156C8] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Afternoon all,
 
Nice rain/storm event in SEQ today.  Brisbane itself is up to 48mm since 9am and Oakey out on the Downs had 35mm in an hour between 10:30am and 11:30am earlier today.  A few weak storms have popped up in the Rockhampton area too.
 
Just checked again and some places around Brisbane have cracked the 50mm mark since 9am - I think Gatton is one of them.  Be interested to hear from the Brisbanites to hear how they faired in terms of rainfall.  Rain seems to be easing according to radar at the moment but the chance for more rain later today could push some rainfall totals up close to 70mm of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Weather To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:26:07 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C1571C.6C106880 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="Windows-1252" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Afternoon all, > > Nice rain/storm event in SEQ today. Brisbane itself is up to 48mm since = > 9am and Oakey out on the Downs had 35mm in an hour between 10:30am and = > 11:30am earlier today. A few weak storms have popped up in the = > Rockhampton area too. > > Just checked again and some places around Brisbane have cracked the 50mm = > mark since 9am - I think Gatton is one of them. Be interested to hear = > from the Brisbanites to hear how they faired in terms of rainfall. Rain = > seems to be easing according to radar at the moment but the chance for = > more rain later today could push some rainfall totals up close to 70mm = > of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain. > Once again, it has been proven that the most effective way to break a drought is to erect two sets of three wooden poles 22 yards apart in the middle of an open area of ground - today is the opening day of the first-class cricket season. Definitely useful rain, particularly on the Darling Downs. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather humour Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:36:29 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 06:36:29.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DDDBBF0:01C156D6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Any discussion of weather, humour and poetry isn't complete without
this famous Australian poem.
Said Hanrahan
by John O'Brien
(1878 - 1952)
"We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
  In accents most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
  One frosty Sunday morn.

The congregation stood about, Coat-collars to the ears, And talked of stock, and crops, and drought, As it had done for years.
"It's looking crook," said Daniel Croke; "Bedad, it's cruke, me lad, For never since the banks went broke Has seasons been so bad."
"It's dry, all right," said young O'Neil, With which astute remark He squatted down upon his heel And chewed a piece of bark.
And so around the chorus ran "It's keepin' dry, no doubt." "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."
"The crops are done; ye'll have your work To save one bag of grain; From here way out to Back-o'-Bourke They're singin' out for rain.
"They're singin' out for rain," he said, "And all the tanks are dry." The congregation scratched its head, And gazed around the sky.
"There won't be grass, in any case, Enough to feed an ass; There's not a blade on Casey's place As I came down to Mass."
"If rain don't come this month," said Dan, And cleared his throat to speak - "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "If rain don't come this week."
A heavy silence seemed to steal On all at this remark; And each man squatted on his heel, And chewed a piece of bark.
"We want an inch of rain, we do," O'Neil observed at last; But Croke "maintained" we wanted two To put the danger past.
"If we don't get three inches, man, Or four to break this drought, We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."
In God's good time down came the rain; And all the afternoon On iron roof and window-pane It drummed a homely tune.
And through the night it pattered still, And lightsome, gladsome elves On dripping spout and window-sill Kept talking to themselves.
It pelted, pelted all day long, A-singing at its work, Till every heart took up the song Way out to Back-o'-Bourke.
And every creek a banker ran, And dams filled overtop; "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "If this rain doesn't stop."
And stop it did, in God's good time; And spring came in to fold A mantle o'er the hills sublime Of green and pink and gold.
And days went by on dancing feet, With harvest-hopes immense, And laughing eyes beheld the wheat Nid-nodding o'er the fence.
And, oh, the smiles on every face, As happy lad and lass Through grass knee-deep on Casey's place Went riding down to Mass.
While round the church in clothes genteel Discoursed the men of mark, And each man squatted on his heel, And chewed his piece of bark.
"There'll be bush-fires for sure, me man, There will, without a doubt; We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."

 





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Hi Andrew,
 
Steady soaking rain here in Brisbane for most of the day.  Very welcome and my passionfruit vines are loving it.
 
Rosalina
 
Just checked again and some places around Brisbane have cracked the 50mm mark since 9am - I think Gatton is one of them.  Be interested to hear from the Brisbanites to hear how they faired in terms of rainfall.  Rain seems to be easing according to radar at the moment but the chance for more rain later today could push some rainfall totals up close to 70mm of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather humour Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:19:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Michael,
 
Just loved that poem.  So Aussie.
 
Rosalina 
(1878 - 1952)
"We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
  In accents most forlorn,
Outside the church, ere Mass began,
  One frosty Sunday morn.

The congregation stood about, Coat-collars to the ears, And talked of stock, and crops, and drought, As it had done for years.
"It's looking crook," said Daniel Croke; "Bedad, it's cruke, me lad, For never since the banks went broke Has seasons been so bad."
"It's dry, all right," said young O'Neil, With which astute remark He squatted down upon his heel And chewed a piece of bark.
And so around the chorus ran "It's keepin' dry, no doubt." "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."
"The crops are done; ye'll have your work To save one bag of grain; From here way out to Back-o'-Bourke They're singin' out for rain.
"They're singin' out for rain," he said, "And all the tanks are dry." The congregation scratched its head, And gazed around the sky.
"There won't be grass, in any case, Enough to feed an ass; There's not a blade on Casey's place As I came down to Mass."
"If rain don't come this month," said Dan, And cleared his throat to speak - "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "If rain don't come this week."
A heavy silence seemed to steal On all at this remark; And each man squatted on his heel, And chewed a piece of bark.
"We want an inch of rain, we do," O'Neil observed at last; But Croke "maintained" we wanted two To put the danger past.
"If we don't get three inches, man, Or four to break this drought, We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."
In God's good time down came the rain; And all the afternoon On iron roof and window-pane It drummed a homely tune.
And through the night it pattered still, And lightsome, gladsome elves On dripping spout and window-sill Kept talking to themselves.
It pelted, pelted all day long, A-singing at its work, Till every heart took up the song Way out to Back-o'-Bourke.
And every creek a banker ran, And dams filled overtop; "We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "If this rain doesn't stop."
And stop it did, in God's good time; And spring came in to fold A mantle o'er the hills sublime Of green and pink and gold.
And days went by on dancing feet, With harvest-hopes immense, And laughing eyes beheld the wheat Nid-nodding o'er the fence.
And, oh, the smiles on every face, As happy lad and lass Through grass knee-deep on Casey's place Went riding down to Mass.
While round the church in clothes genteel Discoursed the men of mark, And each man squatted on his heel, And chewed his piece of bark.
"There'll be bush-fires for sure, me man, There will, without a doubt; We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan, "Before the year is out."
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:33:45 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.0 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good topic Macca. Here's my memory of a totally different kind of a storm - a firestorm. It was January 1965 with a hot Northerly wind blowing, a day of "Acute Fire Danger" declared for the whole state of Victoria and towards evening all of East Gippsland went up. My dad was the manager of Pioneer Concrete and concrete agitator trucks make excellent water-carrying devices. He was also a volunteer fireman of many years standing. We filled all the trucks with water and headed for the fires. We worked the first part of the night around Briagolong, each concrete truck teamed up with a small water-pumping bushfire truck. Later in the night some of us were sent in along a long, slow and winding bush track to where there were a couple of isolated farms in the path of a major fire. We burned breaks right around the farms and back-burned towards the approaching fire front. My main task was to operate two portable two-way radio stations (one from CFA and one from Pioneer) and coordinate the various vehicles and what they were doing. Suddenly we were contacted by Control on the CFA two-way radio. The gist of the message was: "Get out of there quickly or you'll all be burned alive - there's a firestorm approaching." Then almost immediately all radio contact was blocked out. We ascertained where it was and how fast it was moving (40 to 70 miles per hour were the estimates given) and quickly decided that if we attempted the long winding track out (at least 30 minutes) the firestorm would overtake us (it was due here in 15 minutes) and we would all be burnt anyway. We all decided to stay where we were and go through the fire when it arrived. We wet ourselves thoroughly and wet some woollen blankets and waited as the firestorm approached with a noise greater than an express train. The sky became brighter and brighter red and then orange-yellow as it approached. Then we saw it. It was like an enormous tornado, bright orange-red to yellow, almost too bright to look at, spinning at an incredible speed and towering up high into the sky. When the radiant heat from it became too much to stand we squirted the houses, trucks and ourselves one last time and lay on the ground under the heavy, sodden blankets. The wind became incredible as everything movable was sucked into the bottom of the storm. The noise was greater than the wind of any typhoon I have been through (and I have been through dozens of them). The towering pillar of fire moved past us with its base missing our position by about 200 metres. The radiant heat from this monster was so great that the sap in the gum trees would boil and, as it turned into a gas, whole trees would just explode like bombs going off. As each tree exploded you could feel a shock wave similar to the wave you feel when a bomb goes off nearby. (You younger ones won't remember how that feels). When the explosions had stopped we crawled out from under our blankets which had changed from heavy, soggy, wet things to completely dry and very hot. All around us in every direction the bush was now burning fiercely, fed by the wind which always blew strongly in towards the base of the firestorm which was now racing away from us in the opposite direction to that from which it had approached. We accounted for everything and discovered that nobody was seriously injured, no buildings were lost and no vehicles were damaged. Those of us that had peeped out from under our blankets had burns similar to sunburn on our faces. The paint on the walls of the farmhouses had blistered, but not burned. We quickly put out several small fires that had started inside our 250 metre wide circle of firebreaks. We had to wait for several hours until the bushfire all around us had burned down enough for us to be able to drive out through it to safety. Now that was a memorable storm - one I never, ever want to see again from that close up. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Andrew" To: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17:19 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Morning all, > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are > hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the > list that will enjoy this topic. > > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: baygate.cth.com.au: Host port22.mdts.cab.cth.com.au [216.252.223.86] claimed to be zenith X-Sender: skerans at mail.cth.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:38:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Sel Kerans Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Slow steady rain near Caboolture all day - very light mostly though and only part of the solution of breaking the dry...about 27 mm according to the news. Very welcome nonetheless - traffic chaos here all day from people unused to driving in the rain tho'. (It's been so long!) Tow trucks and dented cars everywhere... Sel At 17:10 17/10/01 +1000, you wrote: > Hi Andrew, Very welcome and my passionfruit vines are loving it. >Rosalina Rain seems to be easing according to radar at the >moment but the chance for more rain later today could push some rainfall >totals up close to 70mm of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain. >Regards, Andrew McDonald > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sel Kerans Coordinator \|/ &&&&& Project Atmosphere Australia On-line -0- .--_|\ "/" WWW: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa /|\ / \ \ Email: skerans at mail.cth.com.au \_.--\_/ EQ: sel.kerans at qed.qld.gov.au v ph 07 3881 9623 fax 07 3881 9640 *** Now taking registrations from schools around the world *** *** On-line activities scheduled for June, September 2001 *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather humour Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:10:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Grin. Well thought up. Umm, yes, don't give up your day job as I don't really think it'll make it into the top ten :-)) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: aus-wx: weather humour > Hi all, > Saw some of Jane's weather humour on the weatherzone forum the other day, so > was inspired to write this (took about 2 minutes, so spare the criticism) > :) Also helps if you know the original tune... > > > Why Does It Always Rain On Me? (was Travis) > ------------------------------------------- > > I can't sleep tonight > Everybody saying everything's alright > Still I can't close my eyes > I'm seeing a funnel at the end of all these lights > > Sunny days > Where have you gone? > I get the strangest feeling you belong > Why does it always rain on me? > Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? > Why does it always rain on me? > Even when the sun is shining > I still hunt for lightning > > I can't stand myself > I'm being held up by an invisible man > Still life on a shelf when > I got my mind on something else > > Sunny days > Where have you gone? > I get the strangest feeling you belong > Why does it always rain on me? > Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? > Why does it always rain on me? > Even when the sun is shining > I still hunt for lightning > > Oh, where did the blue skies go? > Not near that meso, > It's so cold > > I can't sleep tonight > Everybody's saying GASP and AVN is all right > Still I can't close my eyes > I'm seeing a funnel at the end of the lights > > Sunny days > Where have you gone? > I get the strangest feeling you belong > Why does it always rain on me? > Is it because I chased when I was seventeen? > Even when the sun is shining > I still hunt for lightning > Oh, where did the blue skies go? > And why is it raining so? > It's so cold > Why does it always rain on me? > Why does it always rain on.... > > > ------- > > Rest assured, I won't give up my day job... > :) > > > Malcolm Ninnes > Unix Systems Admin > National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd > Ph. (02) 9722-1862 > ninnesm at franklins.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:07:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
No more. Just have a snippet of info on hand and that's all :-)
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:33 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Bussie,
 
You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more info on that storm?
 
I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January but I for some reason November stuck in my head.  Ah well - thanks for that anyway!
 
Macca
----- Original Message -----
From: Bussie
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

Morning all,
 
The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm experience - just one.  There must be some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list.  It doesn't necessarily have to be a thunderstorm.  It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, blizzard, whatever.  Given that many of us are hanging out for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy this topic. 
 
I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was sometime in November 1997 (i think).  I was at home with my younger sister and I had either just finished or was just starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few close lightning strikes.  At about 2:30 or 3pm a second storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the booming thunder which followed a few seconds later.  We were inside at the time and standing at our back door which is one of those security screen doors.  Suddenly a HUGE flash and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house.  During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time too.  I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the culprit) but boy was it close.  Even though I can't remeber the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the date gap I would be very grateful.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:17:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The best storm here was the one of Nov 95 and I think a lot of the readers have already seen the video etc. Two storms collided over here and produced very heavy rainfall and hail with some of the hail so big that it actually pierced the roof of a mate's home not far from here and caused $100,000 damage to his home. Basically, bloody destroyed it. Do you wish to take over here Jane :-) Gotta find the photo's again! Vic ASWA has seen the video but not sure who else. Exactly twelve months later another severe storm lashed us but this time from the other way and caused my family's properties a fair bit of damage. Once again. Do you still have the photo's Jane. I've mis-placed most in my recent move. Still got them I'm sure but they're in a box somewhere........ Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Pauly, > > Thanks for that. I have always wondered whether the BoM had recognised that > tornado. Its not in their severe weather summaries but I am under the > impression that not every report makes it into those summaries. > > I will now be able to add that one to the tornado map I have on my bedroom > wall.....the way we are going Victoria is going to end up just one big red > pin (red pins = tornadoes on my map) . > > As you can see from this topic we have brought out some of the lurkers on > the list to tell their stories yet I haven't heard too much from the > regulars - Clyve, Jane, Anthony, David Croan, Harald, Pauly, Phil, Sel, > Bussie and many others. Comon guys and gals - lets get it all out in the > open.....hehe. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Yole > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:52 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > Hey all, > > > > Yeah, it was in January Macca. When you said November, I > > thought it may have been a different storm, but I remembered > > Ray Kollmorgen at the BoM telling me of it as it also > > happened the same day as my Halls Gap supercell and > > associated tornado. > > > > PaulY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > > Andrew > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 08:34 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Bussie, > > > > You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more > > info on that storm? > > > > I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January > > but I for some reason November stuck in my head. Ah well - > > thanks for that anyway! > > > > Macca > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bussie > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > 27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm. > > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Andrew > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Morning all, > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start > > a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their > > most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be > > some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people > > that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be > > a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, > > blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the > > list that will enjoy this topic. > > > > I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through > > chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one > > particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was > > sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my > > younger sister and I had either just finished or was just > > starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us > > at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few > > close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second > > storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching > > torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the > > booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were > > inside at the time and standing at our back door which is > > one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash > > and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. > > During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts > > of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there > > is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time > > too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think > > the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the > > culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber > > the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in > > eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which > > is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the > > date gap I would be very grateful. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:08:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tanya, Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > hi all, > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going as > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I find > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in Terrey > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying with > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it looked > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all the > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the fire > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay so > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house & > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where unaware > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & volcanoes > etc after going thru this. > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the neighbours > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > heart pounding. > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a huge > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > Andrew asserted this: > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for > a > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy > > this topic. > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > shelf > cloud. > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > high. > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm or > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:50:25 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 17:11, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as TJ asserted this: > sorry for my ignorance in this department, but I am not entirely sure of > the difference between cyclone & tornado activity, but the debris was > scattered everywhere. It happened in 1990 or 91? Basically a tornado is between 10 metres and 1km wide, and has very intense winds. A tornado descends from a strong thunderstorm. A cyclone is a large tropical storm that comes in from the sea, with strong winds. Cyclones are usually 500km's or more wide, with a well defined eye. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Weather Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:35:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Andrew, all
 
Some very nice totals around the place - i think some places have had more rain in a few hours today than they've had in the last 2 or 3 months! Some current totals from the BOM's flood services map :
 
Ithaca 65mm
O Reileys Weir 65mm
Three Ways (just north of Ipswich) 62mm (23mm of that falling in an hour between 10 and 11am)
Everton Hills 61mm
Enoggera 61mm
Sandgate 61mm (30mm of that falling in two hours between 1 and 3pm)
Bowen Hills 60mm
Toombul 57mm
Lowood 51mm
 
32mm in my guage to 7pm (western side of Redcliffe), an inch or so of that falling between about 11am and 3pm
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Weather

Afternoon all,
 
Nice rain/storm event in SEQ today.  Brisbane itself is up to 48mm since 9am and Oakey out on the Downs had 35mm in an hour between 10:30am and 11:30am earlier today.  A few weak storms have popped up in the Rockhampton area too.
 
Just checked again and some places around Brisbane have cracked the 50mm mark since 9am - I think Gatton is one of them.  Be interested to hear from the Brisbanites to hear how they faired in terms of rainfall.  Rain seems to be easing according to radar at the moment but the chance for more rain later today could push some rainfall totals up close to 70mm of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Greg Curtis" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Weather Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:14:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Andrew,
 
Steady rain all day at Bardon, which is just to the SW of the centre of Brisbane. I recorded 6.5mm till 9:00am this morning and then a further 53 mm till 3:00pm and it has continued to rain after 3:00 p.m.
 
A couple of nice rumbles (very loud actually) of thunder this morning around 7:50 am. Just about all finished for the time being the weather looks to have cleared to Amberley on the latest radar picture.
 
Don't worry about the cricket being the cause of this rain, I think the secret is to get a rostered day off work and plan to paint your deck.
 
Regards
 
Greg Curtis
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 3:00 PM
Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Weather

Afternoon all,
 
Nice rain/storm event in SEQ today.  Brisbane itself is up to 48mm since 9am and Oakey out on the Downs had 35mm in an hour between 10:30am and 11:30am earlier today.  A few weak storms have popped up in the Rockhampton area too.
 
Just checked again and some places around Brisbane have cracked the 50mm mark since 9am - I think Gatton is one of them.  Be interested to hear from the Brisbanites to hear how they faired in terms of rainfall.  Rain seems to be easing according to radar at the moment but the chance for more rain later today could push some rainfall totals up close to 70mm of what i'm sure is much welcomed rain.
 
Regards,
 
Andrew McDonald
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado update Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:03:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, 4 more images of the Leopold tornado added - the cell approaching Leopold (1), the tornado (2) & the cell receding over Port Phillip Bay (1). The page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm will be updated with new images & information as it becomes available. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "evelyn&wayne" To: "weather" Subject: aus-wx: storm for townsville Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 16:08:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Folks,
Great excitement here in Townsville this afternoon. Yes, a storm, and what a storm it was. Got 9.5mls of rain out of it, in a space of about 15 minutes. A bit of lightning and thunder, hopefully more on the way as it is very dry here at the moment.
Regards
 
Evelyn
 
 
From: "Keith Barnett" To: "Weather list" Subject: aus-wx: Memorable storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:02:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
The one I remember the most was the storm of 13th(or thereabouts)  December 1959 in the inner suburbs of Sydney. I was only 12 and it was lunchtime in the playground of Dulwich Hill Primary School. The amazing part of this storm was ,not the wind, the rain or the hail but the clouds and turbulence. This wasn't mammatocumulus; the whole sky turned itself inside out with a seething, boiling mass of grey cloud of various shades.Cloud appeared to be coming down out of the sky and going back in again. I almost felt I could hear the wind in the clouds overhead.I don't think we got much rain,and I saw no hail, but later the Bureau reported winds of 50 knots in some suburbs. I remember my father saying it's what monsoons look like (I'm not sure if that's really the case!). The Sun afternoon newspaper had a front page headline describing it as 'a tropical storm'. I think it only lasted 20 minutes; I remember the sky remaining cloudy or 'lumpy looking' while the receding storm could be seen as a black 'shadow' retreating away to the east or northeast, hidden by the remaining cloud after it passed. I guess only a video could adequately describe the whole event.
Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\Keith Barnett (home).vcf" X-Originating-IP: [203.35.254.2] From: "David Croan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:03:52 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 11:03:53.0733 (UTC) FILETIME=[68C0CB50:01C156FB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Macca and all: I cant avoid a long winded post on this - I love stormy trips down memory lane :) My most memorable storms would be the December 1989 squall line and the March 1990 HP supercell, both in Sydney. At that time I knew very little about storms other than very basic principles of convection: but, iike most storm buffs, I had already distinguished between the short lived garbage storms, the mediocre often severe ones and the nasty looking ones: of course I now know these as pulse storms, mult-eye-cells and squall lines / supercells (Since most of our supercells are of the HP variety around here the two aren’t always easy to tell apart for a novice observer: I do remember those that seemed to stretch across the horizon and generally weren’t as nasty as I expected and those that had a more pronounced curvature, mostly tracked NE and were really nasty). Anyways:- That 1989 squall line was amazing. I remember watching the afternoon unfold from our upstairs snooker room. I recall seeing a very large cell to our west – looking back I suspect it may have become a split pair as one storm moved SE the other moved by to our NE, or thereabouts – who knows. I was thinking ..bugger it.. we’ve missed out. In between shots, I would glance out the window - the western horizon remained dark and ominous. A few minutes later I couldn’t believe it; an absolutely awesome line, running north-south as far as the eye could see, was moving in rapidly: it was just so exciting; I knew then that we were going to cop it!! I’ll never forget that gusfront - it was just about on the ground, there was a wicked olive-green colour behind it and was rolling in like a locomotive. I noticed some spectacular pics of the 28/02/01 Sydney squall line recently posted on ASW . These kind of resemble it eg: http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0228ss02.jpg http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0228ss04.jpg But without exagerating these dont come close to the menacing appearance of the 89 storm. You could see stratocumulus racing in from the E and curling up into the gustfront. I remember that we had only recently bought our first camcorder - I contemplated videoing it although in the end I didn’t bother (at the time I thought ‘who will ever see it’). When it hit it was quite intense with severe winds, and very heavy rain. This stopped and then came the most awesome CG lightning show I have probably ever witnessed – almost every second, thick pulsating bolts were dropping within view of our window – I would say the bolts were as intense and certainly more frequent than the stuff some of you have seen on our US chase video. . There is a pic of this line nearer the coast - MB saved the day! - although by then the storm was clearly gusting out and not nearly as spectacular. http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1989/1211mb02.jpg http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1989/1211mb03.jpg The 1990 HP supercell was equally spectacular in appearance and as the history books will tell you – it did deliver. Living in the general area at the time, I was watching my brother play soccer at Bass Hill in the south west of the city. It was a quite overcast day at times and I remember even then the spectacular differential motion of the different clouds levels before the storm. Looking back, I guess there was quite good directional shear. The storm cleared everything out before 3:00pm. There were strong winds feeding into the storm, again something you instinctively learn to associate with the ‘big’ storms, without really knowing jack squat. Before long, forget about soccer – there was a massive gustfront looming to our west. It was a very ‘rare’ looking storm – I haven’t seen anything quite like it since, either here or the US - a mixture of green precip curtains, ink blue base and white shelf / scud all violently mixing around. CGs were intense from the onset and before long ice-rocks, to 6 cm max (measured to 8cm a few kms to out north), were pounding the pavement. Soccer was obviously cancelled, in fact it was cancelled just before the storm hit, I guess due to the lightning and just the exceptional appearance of this storm: many people had scattered and drove off in their cars – I think the warning service was operational then too so perhaps people heeded the BoMs advice. The rest of us huddled in the club house and kiosk area. Winds were extremely strong for a time and it was quite deafening for a bit. The storm seemed quite long lasting, particularly the lightning although I didn’t note the time. Afterwards my brother was shitting himself because the car (mum’s car) was hail damaged – it had already been to the smash repairs for hail damage twice in about 4 years although this was by far the worst, since there was some giant hail thrown in. Still… not a write-off unlike most of those in the path only 1 km to our north. Of course there are memorable storms to be had each year :-) Dave _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" Subject: aus-wx: re:Place to be Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 18:32:29 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Bussie and others... SW corner of the N.T. and generally all of central Australia has been treated to some great storms in the last few days, with very high humidity, great lightning shows, huge towers and some very heavy, although short lived downpours. Numery, a station on the edge of the Simpson Desert, got 58mm, the highest reported for around here. But as the area is so sparsely populated, there would have been much higher totals elsewhere, looking at the radar. The best storms around Alice occured right when the radar was on wind finding duties. Bummer, that. No hail reported yet. So far Alice has received over 40mm this month - not bad for this part of the world. All the fires have been put out, and the grass is starting to green up again. Cheers, Duncan Alice Springs +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:38:38 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 11:38:38.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[4363E040:01C15700] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all. I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing lightning in an almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all the way to central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east coast that also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you miss this spectacular event. Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies & a question Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:32:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Bit behind with this one but, all the ones I've seen go counter-clockwise. Why is it that our "rough" weather goes in a counter-clockwise direction in the Southern hemisphere and clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere? Same applies to water going down a plug hole. Gravity have something to do with it? Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies > G'day all > My wife is a Historian/Librarian for the local Alice Springs Library. She > was looking at a 1950's CSIRO book, and found some interesting experiments > they undertook at the time. > One of them was to determine what direction whirlywinds spun around in. To > measure this, the scientists had to grab bits of screwed up paper whenever a > whirlywind went > past, chase after it and toss the paper in, then watch which way the paper > spun around! 90% of the time it was anti-clockwise!! The book said that they > quite often couldn't catch up with the whirlywinds, and obviously they never > knew when they were coming, so it was just a casual experiment. > > On more current matters, hundreds of fires have been burning in and around > Alice Springs for the past few months, creating a smoke plume everyday. > Nearly all have been deliberately lit, and not for environmental reasons. > The entire Simpson Gap Park has been burnt out, and thousands of hectares of > pastoral land which had plenty of feed from recent rains is now black and > crispy. This is the 'Windy' season at the moment, so not good for the > control of fires. > I don't really know why it is always so windy at this time if the year, but > many old time pastoralists and aboriginal elders always tell stories of > continous dust storms at this time of the year. Maybe it has something to do > with Central Australia falling on the extremes of heat lows coming down from > the North, and Dry Highs coming up from the South. > > Cheers, > Duncan (equal second in the Weather List Footy Tips Comp. - dgt. > Congratulations to Crows Forever for winning - and what a great team to name > your tipping name after!) > Alice Springs > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p250-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.147.250] claimed to be jdeguara.ihug.com.au X-Sender: gthurtel at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:46:28 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Geoff Thurtell Subject: aus-wx: Some old chase photos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, It has been a long time since I have sent a post to the list. Mainly work and a general lack of time have prevented this. At any rate, when I have had some spare time I have managed to fit in a few chases with Jimmy. Michael Bath and Jimmy have kindly let me display some of my photos on their site and the links are listed below. Please enjoy... >Supercell Wyong 1/09/2001 > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/super06.htm > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/super07.htm > > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/fire01.htm bushfire at >Parklea 8/09/2001 bottom of this page > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/pyrocu01.htm pyrocumulus >above a bushfire in the Blue Mountains 22/09/2001, bottom of this page > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/wall03.htm bottom of >this page for inflow stinger 22/04/2001 near Willow Tree > >http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/sunris03.htm sunrise >Schofields early June 2001, also the bottom of the page Geoff Thurtell Schofields NSW +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:58:14 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Liam, Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the strikes 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... AC Liam Domanski wrote: > > Evening all. > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing lightning in an > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all the way to > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east coast that > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you miss this > spectacular event. > > Liam > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:19:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of > you miss this > spectacular event. Most of me is saying it's a glitch, but part of me remembers a line of storms in Victoria about 6 years ago that was close to a straight line from south of Melb to north of Mildura... Had some fun times doing storm cleanup after that one. 9:42 image is still showing the line. -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Hammering a square peg very, very hard into a round hole until it fits. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [129.42.241.30] From: "Stephen Williams" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: hi Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:28:56 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 13:28:56.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC05C5F0:01C1570F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Allison... I must have been "hard" to keep you eyes on the road thinking about how big and hard I am...I know you are new at this, but once you feel me inside you, you will want it again and again S. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:20:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Since ive used Weatherzone lightning tracker I thought there may be "fake" strikes as I sometimes see the odd strike in the middle of NSW, load up the radar and SAT, and nothing!!! Also now that we can use country energy tracker and compare it with WZ these "fakes" do not appear on CE, how ever the other night WZ was showing a lightning active cell east of Albury and radar show rain, SAT showed a possible anvil BUT CE did not show any lightning near there, infact it only showed some in S/central QLD. And also last night there was a very strong cell off Southern NSW coat, it appeared on WZ, Radar and SAT, while CE showed 1 strike within the last hour (WZ had lots and some in the past 15mins also). So what am I saying. well I will still use WZ until CE appears to be running Ok and then draw my own conclusions by looking at the various info available. I would also like to know why these "fake" strikes appear? Any thoughts?? Simon Angell Canberra ACT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > Hi Liam, > > Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the strikes > 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... > > AC > > Liam Domanski wrote: > > > > Evening all. > > > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing lightning in an > > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all the way to > > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east coast that > > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you miss this > > spectacular event. > > > > Liam > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:49:03 +1000 Organization: Hotkey X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI Simon.. A very valid point here, I was also taking notice of both trackers to see the effectiveness of the new CE tracker. The CE tracker was originally Northpowers tracker which only showed the NW NSW and parts of SE QLD strikes.. Im unsure as yet if the full function has been seen, we do need a good storm to see this. I will ask tomorrow to see if this tracker is up and running in all areas of NSW and not just top part of NSW. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > Since ive used Weatherzone lightning tracker I thought there may be "fake" > strikes as I sometimes see the odd strike in the middle of NSW, load up the > radar and SAT, and nothing!!! > Also now that we can use country energy tracker and compare it with WZ these > "fakes" do not appear on CE, how ever the other night WZ was showing a > lightning active cell east of Albury and radar show rain, SAT showed a > possible anvil BUT CE did not show any lightning near there, infact it only > showed some in S/central QLD. > And also last night there was a very strong cell off Southern NSW coat, it > appeared on WZ, Radar and SAT, while CE showed 1 strike within the last hour > (WZ had lots and some in the past 15mins also). > > So what am I saying. > well I will still use WZ until CE appears to be running Ok and then draw my > own conclusions by looking at the various info available. > > I would also like to know why these "fake" strikes appear? Any thoughts?? > > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Cornelius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > Hi Liam, > > > > Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the strikes > > 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... > > > > AC > > > > Liam Domanski wrote: > > > > > > Evening all. > > > > > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > > > > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing lightning > in an > > > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all the way > to > > > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east coast > that > > > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > > > > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you miss > this > > > spectacular event. > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 23:23:03 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: hi Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everyone, I've just removed the person (snowstormbos at hotmail.com) from the list who just sent that offensive email. This sort of behaviour wont be tolerated. After I removed him from the list, I emailed Dave (who is the other co-owner) and we will keep an eye on any new subscriptions, as he might try to subscribe with another address. If we find one that is suspicious, we wont approve it. This list has been around for over 3 years now and its the first time I've seen something that offensive on here. Jacob (List Co-owner) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies & a question Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:11:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com i'm not sure if this is a question, but i think your refering to the coriollis force (or apparent force, depending on your inclination). Whirly winds are hardly effected by this, as with bath tub vortices, except under special conditions. Weather gravity existed or not would not affect this phenemonea associated with rotating fluids. cheer,s lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bussie" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:32 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies & a question > Bit behind with this one but, all the ones I've seen go counter-clockwise. > Why is it that our "rough" weather goes in a counter-clockwise direction in > the Southern hemisphere and clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere? > Same applies to water going down a plug hole. > Gravity have something to do with it? > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Duncan & Mandy" > To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 7:04 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Whirly Whirlies > > > > G'day all > > My wife is a Historian/Librarian for the local Alice Springs Library. She > > was looking at a 1950's CSIRO book, and found some interesting experiments > > they undertook at the time. > > One of them was to determine what direction whirlywinds spun around in. To > > measure this, the scientists had to grab bits of screwed up paper whenever > a > > whirlywind went > > past, chase after it and toss the paper in, then watch which way the paper > > spun around! 90% of the time it was anti-clockwise!! The book said that > they > > quite often couldn't catch up with the whirlywinds, and obviously they > never > > knew when they were coming, so it was just a casual experiment. > > > > On more current matters, hundreds of fires have been burning in and around > > Alice Springs for the past few months, creating a smoke plume everyday. > > Nearly all have been deliberately lit, and not for environmental reasons. > > The entire Simpson Gap Park has been burnt out, and thousands of hectares > of > > pastoral land which had plenty of feed from recent rains is now black and > > crispy. This is the 'Windy' season at the moment, so not good for the > > control of fires. > > I don't really know why it is always so windy at this time if the year, > but > > many old time pastoralists and aboriginal elders always tell stories of > > continous dust storms at this time of the year. Maybe it has something to > do > > with Central Australia falling on the extremes of heat lows coming down > from > > the North, and Dry Highs coming up from the South. > > > > Cheers, > > Duncan (equal second in the Weather List Footy Tips Comp. - dgt. > > Congratulations to Crows Forever for winning - and what a great team to > name > > your tipping name after!) > > Alice Springs > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p57-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.249] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:30:52 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: hi Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jacob and all, I was half awake when I tried to make sense of it wondering is this really happening. I reread it in various ways to try make sense of any possible ambiguity. Good to remove such people but I must say I am surprised about Steve Williams having done this? Was it him or someone else using his machine? This is a reminder to make sure each person has full control of their machine and e-mails. Why do I say this. I know of one situation on ICQ though when I started to talk to someone and it wasn't that person. In other words, the machine was left free (admitted later). Of course, this does not mean he didn't do it.... Also please note that if this happened from an ASWA member, then "discussions" would have been taking place whether they should be allowed to remain as member - of course based on the ASWA "code of conduct." Wierd. Jimmy Deguara At 11:23 PM 17/10/2001 +0800, you wrote: >Hi Everyone, > >I've just removed the person (snowstormbos at hotmail.com) from the list who >just sent that offensive email. > >This sort of behaviour wont be tolerated. After I removed him from the >list, I emailed Dave (who is the other co-owner) and we will keep an eye on >any new subscriptions, as he might try to subscribe with another address. >If we find one that is suspicious, we wont approve it. > >This list has been around for over 3 years now and its the first time I've >seen something that offensive on here. > >Jacob (List Co-owner) > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p57-max5.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.157.249] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 06:53:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Stephens e-mail Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I must say I am sorry for responding to the e-mail from Stephen Williams by replying which in effect recirculated the e-mail's offensive part. But I would like to re-emphasise my point from the earlier e-mail: what if this was written from another person. This type of e-mail was totally out of character from what Steve normally wrote. What if he was on the phone and his friends came over to go out or something and played a joke on him without his knowledge - can happen to anyone.... He now logs on and may or may not even read his own e-mail as he has been struck off? Does this mean he is banned for good? Imagine if it happened to me or anyone else on this list whom I assume are decent? Will you be struck off for good? I must say I found just as offensive e-mails say from the likes of Ira and others in the past and they were never struck off - whether there were rules back then or not. It was a commonsense mechanism to use. Suspension is a god way to break through in this modern society. What about the accidental e-mail to Jane from David Hart. David came one and apologised which I think was the appropriate way to deal with the matter. What I am saying is - Stephen should have been suspended until such time he accepts responsibility and apologise to the list perhaps explain what happened. I think this e-mail was totally out of character for the type of e-mails Stephen normally sends. These are my thoughts anyway - now that I am slightly awake. And Allison not saying that this type of e-mail is acceptable. Jimmy Deguara >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:48:16 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Stephens e-mail Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy and all, This is >NOT< the same Steven Williams who normally posts here, a) this person has his name spelt Stephen rather than Steven, and b) the email addresses are different. I for one am happy with the action taken, I was totally appalled at the behaviour, and agree that it should >NOT< be tolerated. AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi all, > > I must say I am sorry for responding to the e-mail from Stephen Williams by > replying which in effect recirculated the e-mail's offensive part. > > But I would like to re-emphasise my point from the earlier e-mail: what if > this was written from another person. This type of e-mail was totally out > of character from what Steve normally wrote. What if he was on the phone > and his friends came over to go out or something and played a joke on him > without his knowledge - can happen to anyone.... He now logs on and may or > may not even read his own e-mail as he has been struck off? Does this mean > he is banned for good? Imagine if it happened to me or anyone else on this > list whom I assume are decent? Will you be struck off for good? I must say > I found just as offensive e-mails say from the likes of Ira and others in > the past and they were never struck off - whether there were rules back > then or not. It was a commonsense mechanism to use. Suspension is a god way > to break through in this modern society. What about the accidental e-mail > to Jane from David Hart. David came one and apologised which I think was > the appropriate way to deal with the matter. > > What I am saying is - Stephen should have been suspended until such time he > accepts responsibility and apologise to the list perhaps explain what > happened. I think this e-mail was totally out of character for the type of > e-mails Stephen normally sends. > > These are my thoughts anyway - now that I am slightly awake. And Allison > not saying that this type of e-mail is acceptable. > > Jimmy Deguara > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:36:55 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I was told that the town of Young was the first town (as in; not a city) in australia to have electricity network, but as for the street lights???? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhett Blanch & AJ Leong" To: Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: RE: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > I think they are wrong there with the street lights. Tamworth NSW was the > first city in the Southern Hemisphere to have electric street lighting - I > remember going to several 100th anniversary functions of this (and I even > have a fridge magnet) back in 1988. I just went and looked it up in my > trusty Tamworth history book - in fact Tamworth had electric street lights > from 9 November 1888, so that places it before the the 1893 seemingly > claimed by Thargo. Sorry, they don't event have that one to claim. > Tamworth's power was definitely not as "green" as Thargo's - Tamworth's > lights were using coal fired electricity. > Rhett > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Peter > Creswick > Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2001 12:20 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com; Jane ONeill > Subject: Re: aus-wx: SORT OF OFF-TOPIC: Thargomindah > > > Easy Jane, > "" It is said that Thargomindah was the third town in the world to have > electric street lighting, behind only London and Paris. " > PC > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Quick quiz for the weekend (in between storm chases) > > > > These 3 towns had something in common. What was it? > > London, Paris & Thargomindah > > > > First correct answer gets a quality all-weather ASWA car sticker. > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Wedding rice hail. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 23:06:59.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CAB3100:01C15760] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Just had a shower of hail 0845, all of which lasted about 3 minutes, it was interesting to note the shape of the hail was similar to 'long rice'....indicates the arrival of the expected cold air mass, the CB responsible was very low topped at around 10 to 12,000ft showing some significant cold air between 850hpa and 700hpa, there are bigger tops out over Bass Strait, things should get more interesting later this morning with increasing surface heating and still colder air to arrive. regards Clyve H.. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I think you'll find the reason for the lightning tracker producing the straight lines of lightning for stormns in the NT and WA is because nearly all the detectors are clustered in the southeast corner of Australia. This means that strikes in the southeast have an excellent chance of being pinpointed, but the system will have alot of trouble ranging strikes from storms much further away. As for the occasional fake strike, I'm still trying to think of how they may occur Cheers, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:20 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > Since ive used Weatherzone lightning tracker I thought there may be "fake" > strikes as I sometimes see the odd strike in the middle of NSW, load up the > radar and SAT, and nothing!!! > Also now that we can use country energy tracker and compare it with WZ these > "fakes" do not appear on CE, how ever the other night WZ was showing a > lightning active cell east of Albury and radar show rain, SAT showed a > possible anvil BUT CE did not show any lightning near there, infact it only > showed some in S/central QLD. > And also last night there was a very strong cell off Southern NSW coat, it > appeared on WZ, Radar and SAT, while CE showed 1 strike within the last hour > (WZ had lots and some in the past 15mins also). > > So what am I saying. > well I will still use WZ until CE appears to be running Ok and then draw my > own conclusions by looking at the various info available. > > I would also like to know why these "fake" strikes appear? Any thoughts?? > > Simon Angell > Canberra ACT > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Cornelius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > Hi Liam, > > > > Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the strikes > > 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... > > > > AC > > > > Liam Domanski wrote: > > > > > > Evening all. > > > > > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > > > > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing lightning > in an > > > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all the way > to > > > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east coast > that > > > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > > > > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you miss > this > > > spectacular event. > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > -- > > Anthony Cornelius > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > (07) 3390 4812 > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff NH,SH. Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:16:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Oct 2001 23:17:44.0201 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECF50790:01C15761] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Phil and tropo's. Still looks rather quiet around your part of the world, there's an interesting tropical low at 10 Nth 160 east which has started to show some organised structure been there for a couple of days, also there is a weaker 'mirrored' system at 10 Sth 160 east,both interconnected across the equator,regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: "WX highlights" Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:18:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >As you can see from this topic we have brought out some of the lurkers on >the list to tell their stories yet I haven't heard too much from the >regulars - Clyve, Jane, Anthony, David Croan, Harald, Pauly, Phil, Sel, >Bussie and many others. Comon guys and gals - lets get it all out in the >open.....hehe. > >Regards, > >Andrew McDonald Macca, it may be a sorry comment on my lack of chasing experience, but to tell the truth the storms I have seen pale into insignificance when compared to some of the accounts that appear on this and similar lists.... To tell the truth I have never experience "large" hail.. and indeed only once can I recall seeing hail larger than 2cm diameter and then only briefly in a rather rare (for SE South Australia) "severe" storm in Millicent (near Mt Gambier). If I was to pick the highlights, for a storm, the Boxing Day afternoon storms in Melbourne in 1999 would rate highly for rain and reduced visibility (we had ~75mm all up in a 10 hour period), and a similar series of storms in November 1988 when I recorded 90mm in a 12 hour period at Templestowe in Melbourne's east. Across all weather events, though, the highlight would be the cold outbreak and blizzards during May last year. On the Sunday of that event, we had the "unfortunate" experience of getting stuck overnight at the Black Spur in the ranges east of Melbourne (despite having chains and a 4wheel drive. In the space of about 4 hours, I would estimate about 20cm of snow fell to as low as ~200m. The unusualness of this event could be gauged by the near continuos sound of crashing trees all night... At one stage, the roads were so bad that it took us ~1 and 1/2 hours to drive 18kms, and even at speeds of ~10km/hour we "fish-tailed" the car innumerable times.. Cheers, David Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:39:12 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 2 memories for me. 1.] Novemeber 1979. Adelaide. I was just home from school. A massive multi layer guster approached ringed by red raised dust. Behind the guster, [which was very!, bringing down a large tree in our yard] an incredibly low base of green very turbulent rotating clouds. It got so dark I could not read a newspaper! [true! It was amazing - never seen anything like it since]. Then 2cm hail [not large you the eatsern states but very large for Adelaide] which destroyed our patio. That day there were tornados reported in many areas. Clearly there were supercells around, although I didn't know what the word meant then. I still have the MSL chart for that day - it shows a cluster of lows over the Eyre peninsula and a front near Adelaide. 2.] The day after Ash Wednesday in 1983, I had to work in the hills. The freeway had just been reopened. The forest had been reduced to little black sticks and ash - absolute destruction. But my most amazing memory was the sight of those large green freeway signs that had been reduced to curled up charred lumps by the heat. Scary....Now 18 years on you wouldn't know that the forest had been burnt. Isn't the Aussie bush wondeful? Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ashton H Anderson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Lurker coming out ! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:40:03 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Everybody
 
I must confess I have been hanging about for a couple of weeks now, thoroughly enjoying the emails.
To be truthful I have been a little intimidated.  You are all so well informed.
I thought best to declare my presence in light of that abhorrent mail received this morning. 
My name is Ashton Anderson and I am from Sydney. Well, Sydney is where I call home.  I left Sydney in 1988 to live in WA until 1999.  Since then I have been in Tasmania.
Down here I live at Collins Cap which is on the North Western boundary of Wellington Range.  The elevation at home is approx 550m.
At present we are experiencing a fairly major cold front which has produced snow to around 700/600m overnight and this morning.  Frequent patches of sunshine are burning it fairly quickly.  Tonight and tomorrow should see a major front pass which may produce quite decent falls.  I notice Clyve mentioned rice snow earlier.  I have 2 black labs which I walk each day (they are my snow guages) and at times on our walk today their coats were covered with tiny (2mm) balls of frozen ice.  It is now blowing quite impressively from WSW and the pressure sits at 998hPA.
Thanks again, I do enjoy your emails.
 
Ashton
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 08:14:14 +0000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com totally approve the action to remove. Pls maintain the integrity & standards of decency Brian Wilson -- Intentional Pty Limited PO Box 271 Emu Plains NSW 2750 Australia Fax: 61 2 4735 7278 admin at intentional.com.au Tel: 61 2 4735 2960 Mobile: 61 0410 413 010 Media Solutions +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: SEQ Weather Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 12:29:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
 
Total of 42mm at Mt. Crosby for this event.  Very nice steady soaking rain with very little run off, just perfect!  Also nice to wake up to the sound of distant rumbles to the NW shortly after 7:00am.  And didn't the frogs love it... 4 different species noted around the house in the evening (Green tree frogs, Bleating tree frogs, Broad-palmed rocketfrogs & one Ornate burrowing frog) and needless to say, endless Bufo's.
 
John.
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-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Greg Curtis
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:14 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Weather

Hi Andrew,
 
Steady rain all day at Bardon, which is just to the SW of the centre of Brisbane. I recorded 6.5mm till 9:00am this morning and then a further 53 mm till 3:00pm and it has continued to rain after 3:00 p.m.
 
A couple of nice rumbles (very loud actually) of thunder this morning around 7:50 am. Just about all finished for the time being the weather looks to have cleared to Amberley on the latest radar picture.
 
Don't worry about the cricket being the cause of this rain, I think the secret is to get a rostered day off work and plan to paint your deck.
 
Regards
 
Greg Curtis
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:00:29 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Macca and all, I don't really have that many "great storm experiences" as others do...possibly might be better to reflect on a few. Perhaps the most recent would be March 12, 2001 - I was totally shocked as a rather nice gust front formed in front of my eyes - essentially in a couple of minutes! It went from this: http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/anthony/120301_08.shtml To: http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/anthony/120301_07.shtml In just three minutes! I only wish now in hindsight that I had gotten a tripod and videoed it constantly, rather than also videoing some of the updrafts at the back. Would have made a great time lapse! This storm was surprisingly weak, with very little thunder/wind - it did have some mod-heavy rain behind it though, but the gustfront was moving ahead of the storm quite rapidly. Going back a little... I remember my first stormchase, ended up being a supercell in the Downs - we didn't get under it, but had a nice view of the base and very rounded mesocyclone, certainly was very memorable being my first ever chase! http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/anthony/250199_06.shtml Then a bit before that - on holidays celebrating the end of school, I got my first ever "good photo" type shot, with another rather nice gust front at Noosa! http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/anthony/241198_06.shtml This produced two gustnadoes as it moved out to sea - the edge/bottom of the gustfront was going *just* above all the other units (3-4 stories high), it was incredibly low!!! I couldn't believe this, I didn't know quite as much about weather back then, and was running out of film rapidly so I didn't take that many photos - as I was afraid there wouldn't be any film left to photograph the roof off our unit blown off, 100m away...but it was a relatively calm beast - a short gust of 40-50km/h and some moderate rain. Although a nice flang hit the beach. I also remember Oct 13 '98 - the storm followed our schoolbus for a while - I was taking great delight in watching CGs strike through an awesome gust front! (Very smooth, like one of MB's photos David Croan posted recently). Our bus was heading due east, before it took a southward path. This was when we intercepted the storm - the hail and rain came - only on one side of the bus, it was horrizontal and torrential! The bus was rocking from the winds! We continued on, and passed a row of shops - cars were driving onto the footpath to get underneath the awnings of the shops to escape the hail/rain/wind. We slowed persisted to the Carindale Bus Terminal (where I normally transfered buses). It was eerie - the noise was deafening, I nearly got blown over when I got out of the bus! (And this was under shelter!) I ran back further in the shelter - and looked back at Carindale St, it looked as if our bus was the only one who decided to 'brave' the storm - the normally busy street was totally deserted, and I lost sight of the bus very quickly in a cloud of rain and mist, the mist was from the water on the ground being whipped up back into the air! Meanwhile, there were garden planters in the carpark above us. You could see leaves/branches falling down from above as hail/wind stripped them bear. This storm basically caused everything to be at a standstill. My transfer bus was 20mins late in arriving, and so was everything else! The bus ride back home showed branches/small trees down all over the place with some small haildrifts on some people's lawns! The hail wasn't overly large, about 2cm. But a tornado occurred over the Brisbane CBD, and unconfirmed reports of brick sized hail were also reported. A friend of mine reported hail the size of her fist in Norman Park. I also remember our family going on camp in 1991 I think...it would have been Feb/March, we were up near Gympie, it was actually a work function. We had decided to hire a campervan, given that hiring a campervan was cheaper than buying a tent etc equipment. Anyway, we heard that there were severe thunderstorm warnings for down south, and they had gradually been extended further north. The sky to our SW later that night was flickering with frequent lightning (every sec or so). The storm moved through later that night (not sure what time), but I remember the winds - it was amazing! It went dark, as latterns got knocked over/fires gradually put out and the main power went out. I couldn't see much, but I just remember the wind and rain and the odd flang - which was deafening! Our campervan was OK, but boy did it rock... The morning showed that many people's tents were destroyed/ripped apart - some caught up in trees. Other trees were snapped off/blown over, branches and leaves everywhere! We were near a lake (100m), I went down - it's a freshwater lake, but there was erosion on the sand! The waves had come up about 2 to 2.5 metres up on the beach! I was amazed, consider that previously the only thing you got was ripples, but here from a storm - the waves must have been upwards towards a metre??? Which I think anyway, is quite amazing given that the storm only lasted 15mins or so, so there wouldn't be much time for the waves to form... My first ever memory of a storm was an event I wasn't even present for. January 18, 1985 - I was just 2 years old, we were in Melbourne, but I remember us having to phone relatives in Brisbane to see if the house was OK. And also remember watching the lightning footage on TV and calling it a "blue storm" (hey, I was only two...) and from then on I thought a "blue storm" was the worst type of storm, and was always watching out for them/watching for lightning after that! Hope I didn't bore... AC Andrew wrote: > > Pauly, > > Thanks for that. I have always wondered whether the BoM had recognised that > tornado. Its not in their severe weather summaries but I am under the > impression that not every report makes it into those summaries. > > I will now be able to add that one to the tornado map I have on my bedroom > wall.....the way we are going Victoria is going to end up just one big red > pin (red pins = tornadoes on my map) . > > As you can see from this topic we have brought out some of the lurkers on > the list to tell their stories yet I haven't heard too much from the > regulars - Clyve, Jane, Anthony, David Croan, Harald, Pauly, Phil, Sel, > Bussie and many others. Comon guys and gals - lets get it all out in the > open.....hehe. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Yole > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:52 AM > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Hey all, > > > > Yeah, it was in January Macca. When you said November, I > > thought it may have been a different storm, but I remembered > > Ray Kollmorgen at the BoM telling me of it as it also > > happened the same day as my Halls Gap supercell and > > associated tornado. > > > > PaulY > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of > > Andrew > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 08:34 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Bussie, > > > > You seem to know more than you are letting on.....any more > > info on that storm? > > > > I always had the suspicion that it may've been in January > > but I for some reason November stuck in my head. Ah well - > > thanks for that anyway! > > > > Macca > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bussie > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:45 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > 27/1/97 Benambra at 6.40pm. > > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Andrew > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:17 PM > > Subject: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Morning all, > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start > > a bit of an interesting topic and ask people to list their > > most memorable storm experience - just one. There must be > > some awesome stories out there amongst the 250 or so people > > that reside on this list. It doesn't necessarily have to be > > a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, firestorm, > > blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > for a decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the > > list that will enjoy this topic. > > > > I have seen LOTS of storms in the last 3 or 4 years through > > chasing tens of thousands of kilometres yet the one > > particular storm that sticks in my mind so vividly was > > sometime in November 1997 (i think). I was at home with my > > younger sister and I had either just finished or was just > > starting my final VCE exams and we had a storm pass over us > > at about 1pm which produced some heavy rain and quite a few > > close lightning strikes. At about 2:30 or 3pm a second > > storm moved overhead and my sister and I were watching > > torrential rain, bright flashes of lightning and hearing the > > booming thunder which followed a few seconds later. We were > > inside at the time and standing at our back door which is > > one of those security screen doors. Suddenly a HUGE flash > > and insantaneous CRACK of thunder tore through the house. > > During this flang, both my sister and I felt massive amounts > > of static on the hairs on our arms (what little hair there > > is) and we felt blast of heat from the strike at the time > > too. I don't know for sure what it hit (although I think > > the pine tree which was about 20m away could've been the > > culprit) but boy was it close. Even though I can't remeber > > the date, I do know there was a tornado reported that day in > > eastern Victoria at a place called Benambra (i think) which > > is out near Omeo so if anyone can help by filling in the > > date gap I would be very grateful. > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew McDonald > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:30:24 +1100 From: Chas & Helen Osborn Organization: UniDial Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wedding rice hail. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Everyone clyve herbert wrote: > Hi all. > Just had a shower of hail 0845, all of which lasted about 3 minutes, it was > interesting to note the shape of the hail was similar to 'long > rice'....indicates the arrival of the expected cold air mass, the CB > responsible was very low topped at around 10 to 12,000ft showing some > significant cold air between 850hpa and 700hpa, there are bigger tops out > over Bass Strait, things should get more interesting later this morning with > increasing surface heating and still colder air to arrive. regards Clyve H.. > I have just returned from a day trip to Burnie. On the way up the snow line looked about 600m. On the way south pure snow started at a estimated 400m near Hampshire. As we headed further south the showers turned to sleet then rain so it was warming up even though we where rising in altitude. It appears the coldest air has clipped the NW corner of Tasmania. Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:14:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 06:12:06.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFDFE9B0:01C1579B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing to see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your in the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Hi Tanya, Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > hi all, > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going as > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I find > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in Terrey > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying with > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it looked > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all the > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the fire > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay so > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house & > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where unaware > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & volcanoes > etc after going thru this. > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the neighbours > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > heart pounding. > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a huge > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > Andrew asserted this: > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out for > a > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will enjoy > > this topic. > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > shelf > cloud. > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > high. > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm or > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:29:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000005A7569AC5CB8D1119D3C0000E8300C9E64823A00 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi TJ, This was the famous 'Turramurra' storm of Jan 1991, see also: http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/21jan91.shtml The storm caused such incredible damage that there has been widespread conjecture as to whether a tornado was involved, however, this has never been substantiated. The storm itself was fast moving at 60-80kmh, and this coupled with a severe downburst caused extreme straight line winds over a considerable area, with a damage path at least 5km wide. John. >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:10 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > so I am guessing that it was more likely a tornado, never the less it > still did massive damaged, I think that it went from pymble to terrey > hills. > Thanks for the info David, now I have the distinction between the 2. It's > funny I have watched that many programs on tornadoes & cyclones, & been > thru 1 but never understood the difference between them. > > TJ > Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail2.dat" Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:07:34 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There are odd strikes recorded here on our lightning tracker in Hong Kong when there are no storms around and I once sat down and did some plotting and discovered that a bunch of strokes where where a bridge was being built. Is it picking up an arc welder perhaps? The other place I pinpointed "strikes" when there wasn't a cloud in the sky was exactly along the route of the tramline - are there arcs between the trolley pole and the overhead wire that are being picked up? Neither of these is going to explain your line of fake strikes but they are interesting cases of fake strikes. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Craig Arthur" To: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:09 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > Hi all, > > I think you'll find the reason for the lightning tracker producing the > straight lines of lightning for stormns in the NT and WA is because > nearly > all the detectors are clustered in the southeast corner of Australia. > This > means that strikes in the southeast have an excellent chance of being > pinpointed, but the system will have alot of trouble ranging strikes > from > storms much further away. As for the occasional fake strike, I'm still > trying to think of how they may occur > > Cheers, Craig > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Angell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:20 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > Since ive used Weatherzone lightning tracker I thought there may be > "fake" > > strikes as I sometimes see the odd strike in the middle of NSW, load > up > the > > radar and SAT, and nothing!!! > > Also now that we can use country energy tracker and compare it with > WZ > these > > "fakes" do not appear on CE, how ever the other night WZ was showing > a > > lightning active cell east of Albury and radar show rain, SAT showed > a > > possible anvil BUT CE did not show any lightning near there, infact > it > only > > showed some in S/central QLD. > > And also last night there was a very strong cell off Southern NSW > coat, it > > appeared on WZ, Radar and SAT, while CE showed 1 strike within the > last > hour > > (WZ had lots and some in the past 15mins also). > > > > So what am I saying. > > well I will still use WZ until CE appears to be running Ok and then > draw > my > > own conclusions by looking at the various info available. > > > > I would also like to know why these "fake" strikes appear? Any > thoughts?? > > > > Simon Angell > > Canberra ACT > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anthony Cornelius" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:58 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > > > > Hi Liam, > > > > > > Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the > strikes > > > 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... > > > > > > AC > > > > > > Liam Domanski wrote: > > > > > > > > Evening all. > > > > > > > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > > > > > > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing > lightning > > in an > > > > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all > the > way > > to > > > > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east > coast > > that > > > > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > > > > > > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you > miss > > this > > > > spectacular event. > > > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > -- > > > Anthony Cornelius > > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > > (07) 3390 4812 > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.4] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:31:14 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 07:31:15.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE85C1A0:01C157A6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com "WARNING, LONG EMAIL"! Gday list, i have a few storm memories that have brought out a serious passion, fear, and excitement in me, which for me is what its all about. The ultimate for me in life is the feeling that a monster storm coming towards me brings, one of total awe, excitement, respect, and shitting of ones pants. The moment in which a storm such as this is just far enough away to enjoy, yet close enough to feel its breath, the feeling and sensation at that point is too surreal. One moment like this that i will always remember was in December 19th? (Jimmy you know this date) 1997 or 98. It was a hot day with t'storms forecast so I had started work at 4am so i could finish at 2pm. On my way home a distinct line of dark haze stretched a well defined line over the entire western horizon, my car was stinking hot and I stopped off for a couple of VB longnecks. Anticipation was high!. At home i packed my bag and rushed to our 'spot' overlooking the blue mountains in the Maroota State Forest, the haze was moving closer and their were large cumulus towers to the north west moving south east. Deep rumbles were frequent from the haze (nothing beats the bass of deep thunder), soon after the towers to the northwest had matured to awesome looking storms with lighting at about 20 k's and louder thunder whilst the deep booms continued from the haze, which now was producing visible flashes within it and rain encroaching over the edge of the mountains. 'The' storm, though, was now developing just to my west northwest. An exploding updraught right there in front of me, it was building just off the mountains some 12 k's away yet i was looking almost straight up to see it's top. It was very lightning active. It was hot, the boom guy was going, my beer was ice cold and this was the greatest thing I had seen. At this moment nothing else mattered. Although I wasn't fearful this soon changed as the storms momentum all of a sudden propogated my way, the haze had taken away what blue sky remained and this storm with a freakish gustfront was approaching fast. Thick, sickly bolts lit up in front of it. I thought to run home but something kept me up there, I think it was storm nirvana, a large line of pine trees 200 metres away suddenly disappeared behind a white wall and the sound of hail through the forest grew louder, i grabbed a big yellow plastic seat we have at the spot and sheltered under it, next thing the wind just shot up and blew the chair from me, dumping it across Old Northern Rd some 200 mtrs away. I retreated to an area in the bush with no tall trees and medium shrub and haunched there for 30 odd minutes on the balls of my feet. I had my fingers firmly on my ears, the lighting was all around and very close. Every time a bolt hit near me the hail would intensify briefly, i managed to grab some larger pieces (4-5 cm) and put it in my beer. For some reason My heart will go on by Celine dion was running through my head during it all (I hate that song!). At the end I was just shaking and in awe, my back was aching from the hail, and I trudged home all wet and bruised but on a major high!, Cheers, Rune _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Craig Arthur" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 17:25:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have heard of lightning detectors (not trackers) picking up arc welding from up to 3 km away. I guess if the welding was close enough to a tracker detector, it could be picked up, but I have seen random strikes out in the middle of QLD, nowhere near a detector. Certainly a topic for further investigation Craig Arthur ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > There are odd strikes recorded here on our lightning tracker in Hong Kong > when there are no storms around and I once sat down and did some plotting > and discovered that a bunch of strokes where where a bridge was being > built. Is it picking up an arc welder perhaps? > The other place I pinpointed "strikes" when there wasn't a cloud in the > sky was exactly along the route of the tramline - are there arcs between > the trolley pole and the overhead wire that are being picked up? > Neither of these is going to explain your line of fake strikes but they > are interesting cases of fake strikes. > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Craig Arthur" > To: > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:09 +1000 > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > Hi all, > > > > I think you'll find the reason for the lightning tracker producing the > > straight lines of lightning for stormns in the NT and WA is because > > nearly > > all the detectors are clustered in the southeast corner of Australia. > > This > > means that strikes in the southeast have an excellent chance of being > > pinpointed, but the system will have alot of trouble ranging strikes > > from > > storms much further away. As for the occasional fake strike, I'm still > > trying to think of how they may occur > > > > Cheers, Craig > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Simon Angell" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:20 AM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > > > > Since ive used Weatherzone lightning tracker I thought there may be > > "fake" > > > strikes as I sometimes see the odd strike in the middle of NSW, load > > up > > the > > > radar and SAT, and nothing!!! > > > Also now that we can use country energy tracker and compare it with > > WZ > > these > > > "fakes" do not appear on CE, how ever the other night WZ was showing > > a > > > lightning active cell east of Albury and radar show rain, SAT showed > > a > > > possible anvil BUT CE did not show any lightning near there, infact > > it > > only > > > showed some in S/central QLD. > > > And also last night there was a very strong cell off Southern NSW > > coat, it > > > appeared on WZ, Radar and SAT, while CE showed 1 strike within the > > last > > hour > > > (WZ had lots and some in the past 15mins also). > > > > > > So what am I saying. > > > well I will still use WZ until CE appears to be running Ok and then > > draw > > my > > > own conclusions by looking at the various info available. > > > > > > I would also like to know why these "fake" strikes appear? Any > > thoughts?? > > > > > > Simon Angell > > > Canberra ACT > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Anthony Cornelius" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Line of lightning! > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liam, > > > > > > > > Looking at the sat pic it appears to be fake :( I'd say the > > strikes > > > > 'belong' to the NT cluster of storms... > > > > > > > > AC > > > > > > > > Liam Domanski wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Evening all. > > > > > > > > > > I just noticed something cool on the Aus Lightning tracker. > > > > > > > > > > The storm systems in Nth and central Australia are producing > > lightning > > > in an > > > > > almost perfectly straight line, running from Nth of Darwin, all > > the > > way > > > to > > > > > central QLD. There are even spots of lightning off the VIC east > > coast > > > that > > > > > also seem to line up with the ones in the line in Nth Aus! > > > > > > > > > > I've saved the 21:12 Aus lightning image, just in case any of you > > miss > > > this > > > > > spectacular event. > > > > > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Anthony Cornelius > > > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > > > (07) 3390 4812 > > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body > > of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p745-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.142.237] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:11:23 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The date was on the 19th December 1997 http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1997/index10.html has all the photographs we took of the afternoon in case people liked to have a look. http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1997/docs/9712-02.htm Paul Graham's article and also photographs. http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1997/docs/9712-03.htm David Croan's article and photograph. I never even wrote up a story on that day - suppose I am not as impressed by squall lines - usually in the developing stages when they hit our area out west of Sydney. I also hate the waste of CAPE.... CAPE is better utilised in Supercells and strong Multicells :)) Jimmy Deguara At 05:31 PM 18/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >"WARNING, LONG EMAIL"! > Gday list, i have a few storm memories that have brought out a serious > passion, fear, and excitement in me, which for me is what its all about. >The ultimate for me in life is the feeling that a monster storm coming >towards me brings, one of total awe, excitement, respect, and shitting of >ones pants. The moment in which a storm such as this is just far enough >away to enjoy, yet close enough to feel its breath, the feeling and >sensation at that point is too surreal. One moment like this that i will >always remember was in December 19th? (Jimmy you know this date) 1997 or >98. It was a hot day with t'storms forecast so I had started work at 4am >so i could finish at 2pm. On my way home a distinct line of dark haze >stretched a well defined line over the entire western horizon, my car was >stinking hot and I stopped off for a couple of VB longnecks. Anticipation >was high!. At home i packed my bag and rushed to our 'spot' overlooking >the blue mountains in the Maroota State Forest, the haze was moving closer >and their were large cumulus towers to the north west moving south >east. Deep rumbles were frequent from the haze (nothing beats the bass of >deep thunder), soon after the towers to the northwest had matured to >awesome looking storms with lighting at about 20 k's and louder thunder >whilst the deep booms continued from the haze, which now was producing >visible flashes within it and rain encroaching over the edge of the >mountains. 'The' storm, though, was now developing just to my west >northwest. An exploding updraught right there in front of me, it was >building just off the mountains some 12 k's away yet i was looking almost >straight up to see it's top. It was very lightning active. It was hot, the >boom guy was going, my beer was ice cold and this was the greatest thing I >had seen. At this moment nothing else mattered. >Although I wasn't fearful this soon changed as the storms momentum all of >a sudden propogated my way, the haze had taken away what blue sky remained >and this storm with a freakish gustfront was approaching fast. Thick, >sickly bolts lit up in front of it. I thought to run home but something >kept me up there, I think it was storm nirvana, a large line of pine trees >200 metres away suddenly disappeared behind a white wall and the sound of >hail through the forest grew louder, i grabbed a big yellow plastic seat >we have at the spot and sheltered under it, next thing the wind just shot >up and blew the chair from me, dumping it across Old Northern Rd some 200 >mtrs away. I retreated to an area in the bush with no tall trees and >medium shrub and haunched there for 30 odd minutes on the balls of my >feet. I had my fingers firmly on my ears, the lighting was all around and >very close. Every time a bolt hit near me the hail would intensify >briefly, i managed to grab some larger pieces (4-5 cm) and put it in my >beer. For some reason My heart will go on by Celine dion was running >through my head during it all (I hate that song!). At the end I was just >shaking and in awe, my back was aching from the hail, and I trudged home >all wet and bruised but on a major high!, Cheers, Rune > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 23:35:49 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If it wasn't showing on the satpic I'd say it was the dust from a meteor strike! LOL. Andrew. Andrew wrote: > > Hey there pples, > > Well - I've heard of a ring of fire but never a ring of thunderstorms! > Awesome stuff there in the NT. Large storm complex formed in a ring. You > can't explain it, you can't predict it (well - maybe you can explain it but > I just wanted to use the lines....hehe). I have no idea what's going on up > there but I sure wish i'd been sitting in the middle of that ring! > > Regards, > > Macca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rosalina Champion > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: MCS / MCC > > > Hi Jane, > > > > I don't have weather lingo or much techno understanding. BUT I'm watching > > what you're watching. > > > > It certainly looks exciting and I can't wait for someone else to write in > > and say what is going on. > > > > Rosalina > > > > > Dive onto whatever radar you use & have a look at the Darwin 512km > > > loop!!! I'm not sure whethere it is the radar or whether that is an MCC > > > / MCS which is expanding...... Can someone please explain what it > > > happening here? > > > > > > http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif > > > (will show it if you are on tonight) > > > > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/web-NT-sat-latest.JPG > > > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. WxProfiler: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p745-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.142.237] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:33:42 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Non Weather related Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, For those who watched or are still to watch the Current Affair, the Maths program article has one of my students from my ex-school Bidwill. Gee I hope she is not suggesting my teaching was stuffed when I was there... Cheers. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold tornado Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:23:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, I have started a 'Discussion, Comments & Analysis' page so that all of the relevant information can be found in one place. It is linked off the main Leopold tornado page (where the visual information is currently being housed). http://www.stormchasers.au.com/0310discussion.htm If you have any analysis or discussion of this event that you feel merits inclusion, please send me an email. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:13:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website ( at base of message ). I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was similar to storm chasing. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Hi Michael, > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing to > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your in > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Hi Tanya, > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > hi all, > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going > as > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > find > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > Terrey > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > with > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > looked > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > the > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > fire > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > so > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house > & > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > unaware > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > up > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > volcanoes > > etc after going thru this. > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > neighbours > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > heart pounding. > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > huge > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Andrew asserted this: > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > for > > a > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > enjoy > > > this topic. > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > shelf > > cloud. > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > high. > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm > or > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:13:55 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael I was talking to Chris Gibben from VIC on IRC when this program was on, and we were both blown away by the footage of rocks falling on the building the volcano chasers were in. It was just like they were storm chasing, and the hot rocks falling were like large hail battering the building, even the ash clouds looked like massive updraughts with a thick anvil. The footage of them standing not far from the exploding top of the volcano, whilst winds blew the ash the opposite direction was probably the best volcano footage ive seen. It was clearly obvious the same thing that drives storm chasers. drives these guys as well. Watching nature at its most dynamic and extreme. The program was deffinatly the best docco on volcanos I have seen, and one of the guys who was in it was aussie =) Matt Smith Michael Thompson wrote: > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > ( at base of message ). > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > similar to storm chasing. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Hi Michael, > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > to > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > in > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > Thompson > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TJ" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > hi all, > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > going > > as > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > find > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > Terrey > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > with > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > looked > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > > the > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > fire > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > > so > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > house > > & > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > to > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us > & > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > unaware > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > have > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > > up > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > the > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > like > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > sounds > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > volcanoes > > > etc after going thru this. > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > neighbours > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > it > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > > heart pounding. > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > be > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > be > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > huge > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > my > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > Tanya > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > as > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > an > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > storm, > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > for > > > a > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > enjoy > > > > this topic. > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > shelf > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > high. > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > confirm > > or > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:33:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 12:30:58.0160 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD2AD700:01C157D0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com yeah I saw that one too, it was the best volcano show that I have seen. I love checking the discovery & national geographic channels they always have some good storm chasing stuff too. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 9:13 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website ( at base of message ). I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was similar to storm chasing. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Hi Michael, > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing to > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your in > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Hi Tanya, > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > hi all, > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going > as > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > find > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > Terrey > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > with > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > looked > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > the > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > fire > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > so > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house > & > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > unaware > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > up > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > volcanoes > > etc after going thru this. > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > neighbours > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > heart pounding. > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > huge > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Andrew asserted this: > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > for > > a > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > enjoy > > > this topic. > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > shelf > > cloud. > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > high. > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm > or > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail.dat" From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:36:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 12:34:34.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E6089A0:01C157D1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com which is your website Michael? -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 9:13 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website ( at base of message ). I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was similar to storm chasing. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Hi Michael, > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing to > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your in > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > Tanya > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > Hi Tanya, > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > hi all, > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's going > as > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > find > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > Terrey > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > with > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > looked > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > the > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > fire > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > so > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the house > & > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able to > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us & > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > unaware > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I have > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > up > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > volcanoes > > etc after going thru this. > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > neighbours > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & it > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > heart pounding. > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to be > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will be > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > huge > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it my > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Andrew asserted this: > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of an > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust storm, > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > for > > a > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > enjoy > > > this topic. > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > shelf > > cloud. > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > high. > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may confirm > or > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:42:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 12:40:36.0887 (UTC) FILETIME=[161D9270:01C157D2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi John, don't know if that was the storm or not? It doesn't sound fierce enough, it could be though. That storm wasn't officially a tornado was it? I'm pretty sure the classed the one I went thru as a mini tornado?? I tried looking it up on the bom site, but had no luck, I did check out the Turramurra one. Tanya > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 4:30 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > Hi TJ, > > This was the famous 'Turramurra' storm of Jan 1991, see also: > http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/21jan91.shtml > > The storm caused such incredible damage that there has been widespread > conjecture as to whether a tornado was involved, however, this has never > been substantiated. The storm itself was fast moving at 60-80kmh, and > this coupled with a severe downburst caused extreme straight line winds > over a considerable area, with a damage path at least 5km wide. > > John. > >snip > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:10 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > so I am guessing that it was more likely a tornado, never the less > it still did massive damaged, I think that it went from pymble to terrey > hills. > Thanks for the info David, now I have the distinction between the 2. > It's funny I have watched that many programs on tornadoes & cyclones, & > been thru 1 but never understood the difference between them. > > TJ > Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p745-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.142.237] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:42:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt and all, I have taken up an interest to volcanic activity when I saw the Phillipines Mt Pinatabu (i think). The footage of the cloud structure as well as the lightning footage was incredible. They definitely are fascinating, and of course so are the structure of bushfires and larger pyrocumulus. However, I did not get to see this last program you are discussing. Jimmy Deguara At 10:13 PM 18/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Michael > >I was talking to Chris Gibben from VIC on IRC when this program was on, and we >were both blown away by the footage of rocks falling on the building the >volcano >chasers were in. It was just like they were storm chasing, and the hot rocks >falling were like large hail battering the building, even the ash clouds >looked >like massive updraughts with a thick anvil. The footage of them standing >not far >from the exploding top of the volcano, whilst winds blew the ash the opposite >direction was probably the best volcano footage ive seen. It was clearly >obvious >the same thing that drives storm chasers. drives these guys as well. Watching >nature at its most dynamic and extreme. The program was deffinatly the best >docco on volcanos I have seen, and one of the guys who was in it was aussie =) > >Matt Smith > >Michael Thompson wrote: > > > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > > > ( at base of message ). > > > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > > similar to storm chasing. > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TJ" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > > to > > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > > in > > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close > as I > > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > > > Tanya > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > > Thompson > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the > storms > > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TJ" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > > going > > > as > > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > > find > > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > > Terrey > > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > > with > > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > > looked > > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next > thing all > > > the > > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > > fire > > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to > stay > > > so > > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > > house > > > & > > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > > to > > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley > towards us > > & > > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > > unaware > > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > > have > > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline > 20ft > > > up > > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were > 200km & > > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > > the > > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > > like > > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > > sounds > > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > > volcanoes > > > > etc after going thru this. > > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > > neighbours > > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > > it > > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & > left my > > > > heart pounding. > > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > > be > > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > > be > > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > > huge > > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > > my > > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting > also. So > > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone > else's. > > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > > Tanya > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David > Findlay > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > > as > > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > > an > > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > > storm, > > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > > for > > > > a > > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > > enjoy > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > > shelf > > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > > high. > > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > > confirm > > > or > > > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although > there > > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [213.38.89.28] From: "jr" To: Subject: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:13:24 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 13:13:25.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABA59D20:01C157D6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Geoff Macley also chases storms and I think he was the guy holding on to a rope (when Tropical Cyclone Vance hit Exmouth) that was shown on Australian Television.
 
regards,
 
John Roenfeldt
X-Originating-IP: [213.38.89.28] From: "jr" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:08:45 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 13:08:51.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[08478FD0:01C157D6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I managed to visit the crater of Mt Etna in Sicily in 1999 and it was awesome. I have a few photos from my visit but do not have them scanned. A few months later was when it erupted again. I think the documentary you must have seen is the one made by Geoff Mackay (New Zealander). His website is at http://www.rambocam.com/ . regards, John Roenfeldt ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > Hi Matt and all, > > I have taken up an interest to volcanic activity when I saw the Phillipines > Mt Pinatabu (i think). The footage of the cloud structure as well as the > lightning footage was incredible. They definitely are fascinating, and of > course so are the structure of bushfires and larger pyrocumulus. > > However, I did not get to see this last program you are discussing. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 10:13 PM 18/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Michael > > > >I was talking to Chris Gibben from VIC on IRC when this program was on, and we > >were both blown away by the footage of rocks falling on the building the > >volcano > >chasers were in. It was just like they were storm chasing, and the hot rocks > >falling were like large hail battering the building, even the ash clouds > >looked > >like massive updraughts with a thick anvil. The footage of them standing > >not far > >from the exploding top of the volcano, whilst winds blew the ash the opposite > >direction was probably the best volcano footage ive seen. It was clearly > >obvious > >the same thing that drives storm chasers. drives these guys as well. Watching > >nature at its most dynamic and extreme. The program was deffinatly the best > >docco on volcanos I have seen, and one of the guys who was in it was aussie =) > > > >Matt Smith > > > >Michael Thompson wrote: > > > > > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > > > > > ( at base of message ). > > > > > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > > > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > > > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > > > similar to storm chasing. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TJ" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > > > to > > > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > > > in > > > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close > > as I > > > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > > > > > Tanya > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > > > Thompson > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the > > storms > > > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "TJ" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > > > going > > > > as > > > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > > > find > > > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > > > Terrey > > > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > > > with > > > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > > > looked > > > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next > > thing all > > > > the > > > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > > > fire > > > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to > > stay > > > > so > > > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > > > house > > > > & > > > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > > > to > > > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley > > towards us > > > & > > > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > > > unaware > > > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > > > have > > > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline > > 20ft > > > > up > > > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were > > 200km & > > > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > > > the > > > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > > > like > > > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > > > sounds > > > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > > > volcanoes > > > > > etc after going thru this. > > > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > > > neighbours > > > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > > > it > > > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & > > left my > > > > > heart pounding. > > > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > > > be > > > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > > > be > > > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > > > huge > > > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > > > my > > > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting > > also. So > > > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone > > else's. > > > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > > > Tanya > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David > > Findlay > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > > > as > > > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > > > an > > > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > > > storm, > > > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > > > enjoy > > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > > > shelf > > > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > > > high. > > > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > > > confirm > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although > > there > > > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > > your > > > > > message. > > > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:42:55 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thats the guy !!!

Check these photos everyone : http://www.rambocam.com/etna.html
The last 2 down the bottom, these were on the docco, smoke rings put out by the volcano, estimated to be bigger than the MCG, absolutly brilliant stuff.

Matt Smith

jr wrote:

Geoff Macley also chases storms and I think he was the guy holding on to a rope (when Tropical Cyclone Vance hit Exmouth) that was shown on Australian Television. regards, John Roenfeldt
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:16:07 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Cold in Tassie Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Current obs are showing the arrival of cold air over Tasmania. The highest temperature at any of the AWSs in the state was 8C at 14Z, but the average looks to be about 4C. Andrew. -- Real Programmers: never work 9 to 5. If any Real Programmers are around at 9AM, it's because they were up all night. WxProfiler: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: "aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:33:29 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Phil Bagust and others, Great to hear your updates from Adelaide - after being born and raised there for 25 years I have more than a passing interest in the activities of the great city. Although not a storm, I will never forget 1983 Ash Wednesday either. I remember living in the foothills sitting on the roof on the Wednesday night watching massive rings of fire in the Greenhill area. The next day I found out we were watching the terrible destruction of Yarrabee Road. I also saw a guy run a police road block on Greenhill road that night, and a few days later the same car was pictured as a burnt wreck in the paper. The occupants had perished. On the storm front, early in the 1990s (I think) there was a massive hail storm one morning, probably a Saturday or Sunday, that completely blanketed the ground like snow. I've never seen anything like it before or since. Fine here in Alice Springs for now, but looking at that Low in W.A., looks like we're in for more stormy stuff in a few days. Cheers, Duncan Treloar Alice Springs +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 16:43:25 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com That would have been "the storm"in Sydney's north on 21 January 1991. Duffys Forest probably copped the worst - all reports were striaght line winds major down burst to 230 km/hr estimated. Not much fun when loaded with hail stones the size of cricket balls ! Don White David Findlay wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:22, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as TJ > asserted this: > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > volcanoes etc after going thru this. > > Was the damage and debris converging in random directions, in a fairly > straight line of damage? If so that could be tornadic damage. To get a > trampoline up that high you would need something pretty good. Any more > experience wx watchers want to confirm or deny this? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 03:34:13 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. The following account was written some years back and well after the events occured, so I apologise for any errors that may have crept in - the wind speeds etc. are mainly from my memory of BoM warnings broadcast over the ABC at the time. Regards, Carl. Although I have always had a fascination with the weather (as an important issue regarding astronomical observations), my interest really underwent a revolution back in the '70s, during which time I sat through Category 5 Tropical Cyclone Joan at Port Hedland, WA. I had a gut feeling the storm was going to hit Port Hedland many days before the event when the storm first formed up near Darwin, and this feeling stayed with me. From the time the storm first came to my attention I fell in to the habit of regularly sitting with an atlas on the bed of my motel unit on the beachfront and plotting the regular 6 hourly updates, and putting up with the inevitable smart remarks from the group of sales-people I was travelling with. My focus was firmly planted on the transistor radio, listening to the ABC with an ever increasing sense of interest as the reports of the building storm came through, and it soon became apparent that this was a monster cyclone. The gale force winds were some 500 kms ahead of the eye and arrived a full 2 days before it hit, with 30ft waves crashing in on the beach and washing up over the road in places, and continued throughout the night and morning. The 100km/hr cyclone strength winds arrived early in the afternoon and the radio updates became 3 hourly. The wind was gusting up to around 110kms/hr at 4pm when we saw several either brave or foolish cops in police cars driving around the nearby streets with PA's blaring telling all that martial law had been declared and that any person found on the street would be immediately arrested! We were quite amused by this as it was so windy that only someone with a screw loose would venture out! This form of authoritarian madness had ceased by around 5pm as the wind gusts approached perhaps 125 km/hr and driving a vehicle had become obviously impossible. I continued plotting the updates as the intensifying storm with wind gusts to 240km/hr near it's centre first passed us by well out to sea around 8pm with the wind gusting to around 140km/hr locally, and there was discussion in our group that perhaps we had seen the worst of it, but my guts was telling me otherwise. Then the radio told us that still intensifying storm changed direction and was headed directly towards us. By midnight the wind was gusting to around 180 km/hr and I found myself wondering how the motel was going to stand up to the pounding, as salt water spray from the ocean and an assortment of small crabs was blowing in through the crack beneath the door. The cyclone had continued to intensify with the radio telling us it had maximum gusts of around 280 km/hr, and about 2:30 am with the wind gusting well over 200 km/hr the door blew open - the wind was so strong that the door had flexed sufficiently under the pressure for the 'peg' to pop out of it's 'hole' followed immediately by the window on the other side of the unit doing the same! The wind was roaring through our unit, and fortunately there was a momentary drop in the intensity of the wind and the 6 of us in there managed to get the door shut and jam a couple of wardrobes up against it, and then shut the window that fortunately had not broken or been ripped off! We sat through the next couple of hours of near total darkness with the noise of the wind sounding like lots of jet aircraft were taking off right next to us, and hearing frequent loud crashes as something big was hitting the roof. We later realised the crashes were the red housebricks making up the wall around the swimming pool which had been picked up by the wind and flung onto the roof smashing the tiles. As first light came a little after 4am, we could see large cracks running down the courses of 'besser' type concrete blocks making up walls in the unit extending further down the walls with each strong gust, and upon entering the toilet, looked up and could see sky, as the ceiling and roof tiles were missing! There is no accurate record of the wind speed in Port Hedland that morning (the nearest official recording of around 242 km/hr was from the airport near South Hedland a fair way to the SE), although I was later told by a port authority officer who had been on duty that the wind speed was gusting to over 240 km/hr around 4 am when the equipment on top of the port control tower was cleaned up by debris! As the daylight got brighter, the wind direction had started to change, and it was no longer blowing straight on to the door. Some time after 5 am we removed the wardrobes and dared to open the door. I will never forget the sight of airborne sea-water flying in over the sea-front units to our left, making a clearly visible line with sea water above it, down to the now visible swimming pool that had had a 6 foot high red house brick fence around it the night before, and a stream of chlorinated, bluish-coloured water being picked up from the the pool and streaming out above a clearly defined line, up and over the roof of the units to our right! (Later, when the wind had died down, we saw that the previously full swimming pool now had a mixture of sand and small sea creatures in the 2 inches of salty water left in it!) Awesome! We were able to stand in an eerie calmness outside under the 5' wide walkway along front of the units with the wind absolutely roaring past, and when extending a hand out past the roofline it was like it was hit by an express train! As we watched rows of roof tiles were stripped off the roof to our right and were being flung around like playing cards, being thrown down around the pool area with some being smashed to smithereens by the impact, and many being picked back up again to hit the roof opposite - wherever they hit more rows of tiles would be stripped off to dissappear over the roofline! When the realisation of the danger of our situation overcame our fascination with the spectacle unfolding before us we quickly moved back inside to a safer environment. The wind seemed to continue to strengthen up until about 6 am, and I can only guess that it gusted to near or beyond 280 kms/hr! The eye crossed the coast at about 7am in an isolated area approx. 50 km SW of Port Hedland, where nothing was left standing of the few buildings there except stumps! We had only just been spared the most destructive part of the storm where the eye goes over head and after a period of calm the wind comes back from the other direction and picks up the debris of the first half of the storm and throws it back at you! (Part of me felt ripped off by not having experienced the eye passage of this monster cyclone). I was absolutely fascinated by the awesome power of the storm, and around 7:30am as the wind began to weaken I was watching from the relatively safe vantage point in the motel walkway (everything that could blow away had already long gone) looking downwind over the town from the highest part of the foreshore as bits and pieces of houses and other debris looking like sheets of paper were flying in the wind and filling the lower atmosphere to a height of at least 500 metres, and looking out the window on the other side we could see the ocean waves and foam were crashing some 200 metres inland just down the road. Fortunately it was low tide at the time, or the $22 million damage bill would have been far higher, and many could have drowned! I have had a fascination with tropical storms and other weather phenomena ever since, and have sat through many cyclones, although I have never since experienced one of that severity! ~~~~~~~~~~ Carl Smith. Gold Coast. Queensland. Australia. Email: carls at qldnet.com.au Internet: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/ Current Tropical Cyclone information : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm Tropical Cyclone Tracking Maps : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/TCMaps.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:18:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I have many memories, I rather like individual events within storms.
 
I have been very close to lightning twice.
 
Once I was looking at a very active storm from my front veranda at home when lightning struck the chimney of a house across the road. The canon blast thunder made a funny vibration under the veranda roof.
 
Another time in the late 1970's I went chasing near Mona Vale in Sydney. I pulled up on small exposed headland.  At almost the same minute that I thought how exposed I was there was a blinding flash and bang. I do not know whether it struck  the car or ground nearby, but it was blinding and ear shattering.
 
Michael
  
From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Non Weather related Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:56:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I saw it Jimmy. If it works as claimed its a brilliant program. Maybe I should brush up on mine. :-) Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: aus-wx: Non Weather related > Hi all, > > For those who watched or are still to watch the Current Affair, the Maths > program article has one of my students from my ex-school Bidwill. Gee I > hope she is not suggesting my teaching was stuffed when I was there... > > Cheers. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.4] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: just a bit of wind Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:17:25 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 21:17:25.0508 (UTC) FILETIME=[48B1A440:01C1581A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve and the kite flying club, As you may know we are no stranger to strong winds,rain and hail here on the SW Gippsland coast, Wonthaggi actually is aboriginal for 'wind and rain' - heheee. Not that this event is unsual or severe but last night around 3am i was awoken by a couple reasonable squalls associated with a couple of showers and a tiny bit of hail,i estimated the winds to be around 80km/h or so here near Wonthaggi and on parts of the coast 100km/h would not be out of the question. a check of radar showed only blue reflectivity. then i checked AWS data for Rhyll and the Prom (approx. 120km apart and i'm located between the 2)to check wind gusts and barometric pressures as often winds recorded at the prom are very indicative or similar to other exposed sections of the coast here.The AWS obs show a sharp little fall in pressure around 3am at the prom creating a nice little pressure gradient of 5.9hPa and also a wind gust of 104km/h at the prom. Rhyll 19 03:52 9.0 5.4 78 SW 28 15 59 32 1010.8 8.6 19 03:00 8.2 5.1 81 SW 26 14 39 21 1010.3 8.4 19 02:00 7.6 5.2 85 SW 20 11 39 21 1010.4 7.6 Wilsons Promontory 19 04:01 8.5 2.8 67 SW 59 32 80 43 1006.9 2.0 19 02:54 8.4 3.5 71 WSW 94 51 104 56 1004.4 2.0 19 01:55 6.9 3.4 78 WSW 68 37 98 53 1007.0 1.6 anyway just thought you may find some interest in that... regards Tony Middleton http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: , "Aussie weather" Subject: Re: aus-wx: hi Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:06:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Let me be the first!!!! FIRSTLY.....If you are going to reply to a message in such a fashion PLS do not send it to the list where a ton of people will see it. AND SECONDLY......Why r u replying like that any way, Allison gave a great description of what she saw and if any thing in there got u HORNY (u would be damn sick if it did, unless your got images of storms in ya head, like me) than keep it to your self!!!!! Thats my 2 thoughts Simon Angell Canberra ACT +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: hi Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 01:57:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Good on ya., i sent a message to him and to the list (12;06am), but it hasn't arrived on the list yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:23 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: hi > > Hi Everyone, > > I've just removed the person (snowstormbos at hotmail.com) from the list who > just sent that offensive email. > > This sort of behaviour wont be tolerated. After I removed him from the > list, I emailed Dave (who is the other co-owner) and we will keep an eye on > any new subscriptions, as he might try to subscribe with another address. > If we find one that is suspicious, we wont approve it. > > This list has been around for over 3 years now and its the first time I've > seen something that offensive on here. > > Jacob (List Co-owner) > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:53:16 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all While we are making a diversion into volcanos.... There's an amazing photograph, taken in the 1930s I believe, of Rabaul [sp?] Harbour in PNG [where the same volcano complex had a smaller eruption a few years back]. The photograph was taken in the middle of the day, but the sky is as black as midnight. The entire scene is only lit by the multiple lightning bolts generated in the ash cloud of the volcano, illuminating the ruined town and stripped trees in the foreground. That shot raised the hairs on my neck - its the closed thing to a vision of hell I've seen. The other thing is that the Mt Gambier [SE SA] complex's last eruption is only something like 2000years BP, meaning that the area is technically dormant, not extinct. Local Aboriginal tribes preserve the legend of the giant Kraitbul, who lit his ovens in the crater, only to have them quenched by rising water. While I'm not preying for an eruption that would obviously destroy the town, I believe seismic indications suggest that the latest area of activity has moved west off the coast south of Beachport. Underwater eruption anyone??? ;) I'd chase that! Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: Re: aus-wx: Supercell debate To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:43:01 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'Day Jimmy, I do enjoy the supercell discussion - folk like us have the best chance of feeding reliable severe weather reports back to the forecasters, so it is important that we have a good understanding what we're looking at when we look at a storm (it does influence the warning process). [snip] > He [Rob Webb] suggested just as John Woodbridge suggested that a supercell as a more > substantial updraught with that rotates all the way up. Most mesocyclones are first observed at midlevels (visually and on Doppler). At that stage the storm is usually classified as a supercell. Without going into too much detail, the way _I_ determine the degree of supercellularity [what a word] is by means of a hierachy/pyramid of observations. At the bottom of the pyramid are weak indicators that a storm is a supercell, e.g. very high radar reflectivity for a while. If all I have on a storm are weak indicators, I would need _many_ of those to classify the storm in question as a supercell. At the top of the pyramid you have the undisputable signs of supercellularity, e.g. a long-lived violent tornado or a long-lived intense radar-indicated shear couplet. Now a single piece of this strong evidence would convince me. > Not all supercells cause severity. I would put it as "supercell = high probability of the occurence of severe weather", where the quantification of "high" is another matter. > I was surprised when questioning the 2nd October outbreak, > that no real excitement re supercells were recognised. Without reliable ground truth and/or Doppler radar, reflectivity signatures of distant storms using a C-band radar is not much to go by. [more snip] > Those that attend the next ASWA tour of the Bureau may get a chance to view > some of the recent examples such as the 3rd November tornado radar example > hook (a great example) and also the 5th November 2001 Coffs Harbour example > which I think also had a hook. Should be great to see these. Tell me when, I'll be there. :) Back to work, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: C QLD coast To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:43:29 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Here comes today's stab in the dark: For lunch (and afterwards) I like the area enclosed by lines connecting Bundaberg - Emerald - Townsville - Bundaberg along the scenic coastline. Despite westerly pushes N and S, this area is hanging onto its abundant low-level moisture. The morning sounding out of BRK shows impressive CAPE, and decent flow above the disorganised lowest levels. VIS already shows towering Cu, but the tracker shows no lightning (yet). Monitoring ... Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:07:15 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: C QLD coast Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald, You beat me to it! This is what I just posted on the TWC Forum in response to a discussion on NSW winter TS today: Hi all, In regards to winter TS, I think there is a chance along the NSW coast, and even into SE QLD despite the dry surface with low DPs. The air is extremely cold for this time of year, but the surface is still relatively warm. In fact, it's 29C here in Brisbane at the moment, 30-31C in other places of SE QLD with -18C at 500mb! NE NSW is similar, with slightly cooler upper temps, with a whopping -24C at 500mb for Sydney/Hunter area. However, while the coldest air is over this area, I would actually think that towards NE NSW/SE QLD may be the better chance of winter type TS, as for an increase of 4-6C in the upper levels, you get an increase of 8-10C in the surface, and DP of increase of a further couple of degrees. Perhaps the best chance may be tomorrow, the upper level trough looks like it will hang around, and I wouldn't be surprised if it strengthened a little over the SE QLD/NE NSW area. Winds should swing around more to the SE, giving some moisture - although temps around SE QLD/NE NSW will be a little cooler near the surface. AVN suggests getting down to -20C at 500mb, with LI's of -2 to -4 over the SE QLD region tomorrow. Any showers or TS tomorrow in this region would definately have hail. Perhaps tonight we'll see some storms develop out to sea and give a possible lightning show? Sometimes in cases like there where the higher moisture values lie just off the coast, storms will form out to sea at night. We can only hope. Also, there may be a chance of (nicer) TS in the Central QLD coast. Rocky sounding is nice (-14C at 500mb, -6 LIs and est CAPE of 1500 or so), the only concern is that is may dry out - if it does, then there'll be no overly cold air to carry it through. If it doesn't, it would be a nice place to be. AC Harald Richter wrote: > > Here comes today's stab in the dark: > > For lunch (and afterwards) I like the area enclosed by lines connecting > Bundaberg - Emerald - Townsville - Bundaberg along the scenic coastline. > > Despite westerly pushes N and S, this > area is hanging onto its abundant low-level moisture. The morning sounding > out of BRK shows impressive CAPE, and decent flow above the disorganised > lowest levels. VIS already shows towering Cu, but the tracker shows no > lightning (yet). > > Monitoring ... > > Harald > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: s371200 at student.uq.edu.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:28:36 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Powell Subject: aus-wx: HUMOUR: hail joke Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A blonde was driving home after a game, and got caught in a really bad hailstorm. Her car was covered with dents, so the next day she took it to a repair shop. The shop owner saw that she was a blonde, so he decided to have some fun. He told her just to go home and blow into the tail pipe really hard, and all the dents would pop out. So, the blonde went home,got down on her hands and knees and started blowing into her tailpipe. Nothing happened. She blew a little harder, and still nothing happened. Her roommate, another blonde, came home and said, "What are you doing? The first blonde told her how the repairman had instructed her to blow into the tailpipe in order to get all the dents to pop out. Her blonde roommate rolled her eyes and said, "Uh, like hello! You need to roll up the windows first!" +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: vasquez.zip.com.au: Host foobar at ppp183.dyn248.pacific.net.au [203.143.248.183] claimed to be ADSL-Server From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:00:19 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Friday 19 October 2001 09:23, you wrote: > Hi all > > While we are making a diversion into volcanos.... > > There's an amazing photograph, taken in the 1930s I believe, of Rabaul > [sp?] Harbour in PNG [where the same volcano complex had a smaller eruption > a few years back]. The photograph was taken in the middle of the day, but > the sky is as black as midnight. The entire scene is only lit by the > multiple lightning bolts generated in the ash cloud of the volcano, > illuminating the ruined town and stripped trees in the foreground. That > shot raised the hairs on my neck - its the closed thing to a vision of hell > I've seen. > > The other thing is that the Mt Gambier [SE SA] complex's last eruption is > only something like 2000years BP, meaning that the area is technically > dormant, not extinct. Local Aboriginal tribes preserve the legend of the > giant Kraitbul, who lit his ovens in the crater, only to have them quenched > by rising water. While I'm not preying for an eruption that would > obviously destroy the town, I believe seismic indications suggest that the > latest area of activity has moved west off the coast south of Beachport. > > Underwater eruption anyone??? ;) I'd chase that! Oooer that would be interesting. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:15:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 04:13:14.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F854070:01C15854] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com wow.....that must have been an awesome experience Carl! I think going thru storms tends to get some people fascinated with them for life, I know my experiences have left me fascinated with mother nature. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Carl Smith Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 3:34 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Hi All. The following account was written some years back and well after the events occured, so I apologise for any errors that may have crept in - the wind speeds etc. are mainly from my memory of BoM warnings broadcast over the ABC at the time. Regards, Carl. Although I have always had a fascination with the weather (as an important issue regarding astronomical observations), my interest really underwent a revolution back in the '70s, during which time I sat through Category 5 Tropical Cyclone Joan at Port Hedland, WA. I had a gut feeling the storm was going to hit Port Hedland many days before the event when the storm first formed up near Darwin, and this feeling stayed with me. From the time the storm first came to my attention I fell in to the habit of regularly sitting with an atlas on the bed of my motel unit on the beachfront and plotting the regular 6 hourly updates, and putting up with the inevitable smart remarks from the group of sales-people I was travelling with. My focus was firmly planted on the transistor radio, listening to the ABC with an ever increasing sense of interest as the reports of the building storm came through, and it soon became apparent that this was a monster cyclone. The gale force winds were some 500 kms ahead of the eye and arrived a full 2 days before it hit, with 30ft waves crashing in on the beach and washing up over the road in places, and continued throughout the night and morning. The 100km/hr cyclone strength winds arrived early in the afternoon and the radio updates became 3 hourly. The wind was gusting up to around 110kms/hr at 4pm when we saw several either brave or foolish cops in police cars driving around the nearby streets with PA's blaring telling all that martial law had been declared and that any person found on the street would be immediately arrested! We were quite amused by this as it was so windy that only someone with a screw loose would venture out! This form of authoritarian madness had ceased by around 5pm as the wind gusts approached perhaps 125 km/hr and driving a vehicle had become obviously impossible. I continued plotting the updates as the intensifying storm with wind gusts to 240km/hr near it's centre first passed us by well out to sea around 8pm with the wind gusting to around 140km/hr locally, and there was discussion in our group that perhaps we had seen the worst of it, but my guts was telling me otherwise. Then the radio told us that still intensifying storm changed direction and was headed directly towards us. By midnight the wind was gusting to around 180 km/hr and I found myself wondering how the motel was going to stand up to the pounding, as salt water spray from the ocean and an assortment of small crabs was blowing in through the crack beneath the door. The cyclone had continued to intensify with the radio telling us it had maximum gusts of around 280 km/hr, and about 2:30 am with the wind gusting well over 200 km/hr the door blew open - the wind was so strong that the door had flexed sufficiently under the pressure for the 'peg' to pop out of it's 'hole' followed immediately by the window on the other side of the unit doing the same! The wind was roaring through our unit, and fortunately there was a momentary drop in the intensity of the wind and the 6 of us in there managed to get the door shut and jam a couple of wardrobes up against it, and then shut the window that fortunately had not broken or been ripped off! We sat through the next couple of hours of near total darkness with the noise of the wind sounding like lots of jet aircraft were taking off right next to us, and hearing frequent loud crashes as something big was hitting the roof. We later realised the crashes were the red housebricks making up the wall around the swimming pool which had been picked up by the wind and flung onto the roof smashing the tiles. As first light came a little after 4am, we could see large cracks running down the courses of 'besser' type concrete blocks making up walls in the unit extending further down the walls with each strong gust, and upon entering the toilet, looked up and could see sky, as the ceiling and roof tiles were missing! There is no accurate record of the wind speed in Port Hedland that morning (the nearest official recording of around 242 km/hr was from the airport near South Hedland a fair way to the SE), although I was later told by a port authority officer who had been on duty that the wind speed was gusting to over 240 km/hr around 4 am when the equipment on top of the port control tower was cleaned up by debris! As the daylight got brighter, the wind direction had started to change, and it was no longer blowing straight on to the door. Some time after 5 am we removed the wardrobes and dared to open the door. I will never forget the sight of airborne sea-water flying in over the sea-front units to our left, making a clearly visible line with sea water above it, down to the now visible swimming pool that had had a 6 foot high red house brick fence around it the night before, and a stream of chlorinated, bluish-coloured water being picked up from the the pool and streaming out above a clearly defined line, up and over the roof of the units to our right! (Later, when the wind had died down, we saw that the previously full swimming pool now had a mixture of sand and small sea creatures in the 2 inches of salty water left in it!) Awesome! We were able to stand in an eerie calmness outside under the 5' wide walkway along front of the units with the wind absolutely roaring past, and when extending a hand out past the roofline it was like it was hit by an express train! As we watched rows of roof tiles were stripped off the roof to our right and were being flung around like playing cards, being thrown down around the pool area with some being smashed to smithereens by the impact, and many being picked back up again to hit the roof opposite - wherever they hit more rows of tiles would be stripped off to dissappear over the roofline! When the realisation of the danger of our situation overcame our fascination with the spectacle unfolding before us we quickly moved back inside to a safer environment. The wind seemed to continue to strengthen up until about 6 am, and I can only guess that it gusted to near or beyond 280 kms/hr! The eye crossed the coast at about 7am in an isolated area approx. 50 km SW of Port Hedland, where nothing was left standing of the few buildings there except stumps! We had only just been spared the most destructive part of the storm where the eye goes over head and after a period of calm the wind comes back from the other direction and picks up the debris of the first half of the storm and throws it back at you! (Part of me felt ripped off by not having experienced the eye passage of this monster cyclone). I was absolutely fascinated by the awesome power of the storm, and around 7:30am as the wind began to weaken I was watching from the relatively safe vantage point in the motel walkway (everything that could blow away had already long gone) looking downwind over the town from the highest part of the foreshore as bits and pieces of houses and other debris looking like sheets of paper were flying in the wind and filling the lower atmosphere to a height of at least 500 metres, and looking out the window on the other side we could see the ocean waves and foam were crashing some 200 metres inland just down the road. Fortunately it was low tide at the time, or the $22 million damage bill would have been far higher, and many could have drowned! I have had a fascination with tropical storms and other weather phenomena ever since, and have sat through many cyclones, although I have never since experienced one of that severity! ~~~~~~~~~~ Carl Smith. Gold Coast. Queensland. Australia. Email: carls at qldnet.com.au Internet: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/ Current Tropical Cyclone information : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm Tropical Cyclone Tracking Maps : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/TCMaps.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:22:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 04:19:53.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[4D5512D0:01C15855] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com those wnd speeds sound pretty accurate, & duffys forest is the next suburb from terrey hills & we were right on top of the plateau overlooking national park. It was an intense storm, my cousins horse was freaking out & we were trying to get it out of the stables while these huge hail balls come rocketing thru opening up the top of the stables & they were so loud as they hit the corrigated iron roof. It was amazing to see trees rip out of the ground. I go thru it again anyday. Tanya (TJ) -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Don White Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 4:43 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms That would have been "the storm"in Sydney's north on 21 January 1991. Duffys Forest probably copped the worst - all reports were striaght line winds major down burst to 230 km/hr estimated. Not much fun when loaded with hail stones the size of cricket balls ! Don White David Findlay wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:22, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as TJ > asserted this: > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft up > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from the > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees like > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the sounds > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > volcanoes etc after going thru this. > > Was the damage and debris converging in random directions, in a fairly > straight line of damage? If so that could be tornadic damage. To get a > trampoline up that high you would need something pretty good. Any more > experience wx watchers want to confirm or deny this? > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" From: Blair Trewin Subject: aus-wx: Cold October so far in much of Australia To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:32:35 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It has been a pretty cold October so far in much of Australia - although, in the best recent tradition of major climate anomalies happening everywhere except where people live (the very wet 2000 being a particular case in point, when all major cities other than Adelaide and Darwin fell within the 5% of the country that had below-average rainfall), the largest anomalies have been in south- central Australia, particularly northern SA, the southern NT and eastern WA. Eyeballing the maps, the all-Australian maximum temperature anomaly is running at around -1.7 +/- 0.2 degrees. This is obviously pretty low, although there have been 6 Octobers since 1950 (most recently 1976) with anomalies lower than that, including -2.68 in 1975. Adelaide's mean max for the month so far is 18.1. It won't be a record (if you throw in the pre-1979 West Terrace obs) - 1905's 17.4 will take some beating - but the next in line is 18.6 in 1932 and 1976, so there is a reasonable chance that 2001 will be the second-lowest. The lack of warm days has also been notable - highest for the month so far is 23.2 (although that should change in the next few days). Again 1905 leads the way here - highest for that month was only 24.1. (It has failed to reach 30 in 19 Octobers out of a 114-year record). Melbourne has also failed to reach 25 so far in October, although this has happened 7 times in full octobers (and it should get to 25 on Monday). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:31:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 04:29:07.0140 (UTC) FILETIME=[97450840:01C15856] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does anyone know how long Mt Warning has been dormant/extinct for? -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 10:00 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos On Friday 19 October 2001 09:23, you wrote: > Hi all > > While we are making a diversion into volcanos.... > > There's an amazing photograph, taken in the 1930s I believe, of Rabaul > [sp?] Harbour in PNG [where the same volcano complex had a smaller eruption > a few years back]. The photograph was taken in the middle of the day, but > the sky is as black as midnight. The entire scene is only lit by the > multiple lightning bolts generated in the ash cloud of the volcano, > illuminating the ruined town and stripped trees in the foreground. That > shot raised the hairs on my neck - its the closed thing to a vision of hell > I've seen. > > The other thing is that the Mt Gambier [SE SA] complex's last eruption is > only something like 2000years BP, meaning that the area is technically > dormant, not extinct. Local Aboriginal tribes preserve the legend of the > giant Kraitbul, who lit his ovens in the crater, only to have them quenched > by rising water. While I'm not preying for an eruption that would > obviously destroy the town, I believe seismic indications suggest that the > latest area of activity has moved west off the coast south of Beachport. > > Underwater eruption anyone??? ;) I'd chase that! Oooer that would be interesting. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:33:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 04:31:06.0108 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE2E1BC0:01C15856] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, also an island popped up not long ago off the coast of QLD sometime last year (?), from a volcanic eruption. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Bagust Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 9:23 AM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Hi all While we are making a diversion into volcanos.... There's an amazing photograph, taken in the 1930s I believe, of Rabaul [sp?] Harbour in PNG [where the same volcano complex had a smaller eruption a few years back]. The photograph was taken in the middle of the day, but the sky is as black as midnight. The entire scene is only lit by the multiple lightning bolts generated in the ash cloud of the volcano, illuminating the ruined town and stripped trees in the foreground. That shot raised the hairs on my neck - its the closed thing to a vision of hell I've seen. The other thing is that the Mt Gambier [SE SA] complex's last eruption is only something like 2000years BP, meaning that the area is technically dormant, not extinct. Local Aboriginal tribes preserve the legend of the giant Kraitbul, who lit his ovens in the crater, only to have them quenched by rising water. While I'm not preying for an eruption that would obviously destroy the town, I believe seismic indications suggest that the latest area of activity has moved west off the coast south of Beachport. Underwater eruption anyone??? ;) I'd chase that! Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:28:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 04:26:47.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[43DA0D40:01C15856] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Jimmy & All, Mt Pinitubu has been erupting continuosly for ages now, & in that documentary this guy walks to the top with his video camera & when he gets there it starts erupting & he's going for his life down the mountain. Mt St.Helens was the best eruption I have seen footage of though, the pyroclastic cloud was phenomonal, I have some good pictures of it, not taken personally. That last show about volcanoes is definetly the best one that has ever been shown on tv! Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 10:43 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Hi Matt and all, I have taken up an interest to volcanic activity when I saw the Phillipines Mt Pinatabu (i think). The footage of the cloud structure as well as the lightning footage was incredible. They definitely are fascinating, and of course so are the structure of bushfires and larger pyrocumulus. However, I did not get to see this last program you are discussing. Jimmy Deguara At 10:13 PM 18/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Michael > >I was talking to Chris Gibben from VIC on IRC when this program was on, and we >were both blown away by the footage of rocks falling on the building the >volcano >chasers were in. It was just like they were storm chasing, and the hot rocks >falling were like large hail battering the building, even the ash clouds >looked >like massive updraughts with a thick anvil. The footage of them standing >not far >from the exploding top of the volcano, whilst winds blew the ash the opposite >direction was probably the best volcano footage ive seen. It was clearly >obvious >the same thing that drives storm chasers. drives these guys as well. Watching >nature at its most dynamic and extreme. The program was deffinatly the best >docco on volcanos I have seen, and one of the guys who was in it was aussie =) > >Matt Smith > >Michael Thompson wrote: > > > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > > > ( at base of message ). > > > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > > similar to storm chasing. > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TJ" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > > to > > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > > in > > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close > as I > > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > > > Tanya > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > > Thompson > > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the > storms > > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "TJ" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > hi all, > > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > > going > > > as > > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > > find > > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > > Terrey > > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > > with > > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > > looked > > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next > thing all > > > the > > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > > fire > > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to > stay > > > so > > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > > house > > > & > > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > > to > > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley > towards us > > & > > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > > unaware > > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > > have > > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline > 20ft > > > up > > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were > 200km & > > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > > the > > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > > like > > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > > sounds > > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > > volcanoes > > > > etc after going thru this. > > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > > neighbours > > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > > it > > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & > left my > > > > heart pounding. > > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > > be > > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > > be > > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > > huge > > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > > my > > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting > also. So > > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone > else's. > > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > > Tanya > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David > Findlay > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > > as > > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > > an > > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > > storm, > > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > > for > > > > a > > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > > enjoy > > > > > this topic. > > > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > > shelf > > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > > high. > > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > > confirm > > > or > > > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although > there > > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > > > > David > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > > > message. > > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail2.dat" X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wedding rice hail. Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 06:39:41 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2001 06:39:42.0357 (UTC) FILETIME=[D56C4450:01C15868] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes Clyve there has been some nice Cold Cbs here in ballarat over the past couple of days with some nice rain falls of 7 and 6.5mm respectivly unfortunatally I failed to get any on the digi cam because they were not very photogenic, doh! Ohh Please note people I now have a mobile phone the number is 0439 990 628 >From: "clyve herbert" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Wedding rice hail. >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:05:42 +1000 > >Hi all. >Just had a shower of hail 0845, all of which lasted about 3 minutes, it was >interesting to note the shape of the hail was similar to 'long >rice'....indicates the arrival of the expected cold air mass, the CB >responsible was very low topped at around 10 to 12,000ft showing some >significant cold air between 850hpa and 700hpa, there are bigger tops out >over Bass Strait, things should get more interesting later this morning >with >increasing surface heating and still colder air to arrive. regards Clyve >H.. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lurker coming out ! Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 21:00:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Thanks for your E Mail Ashton. I am glad to tell you that I have been on this group since day 1 and this is the first time that this sort of E Mail has occurred. In the past we have had 1 or 2 weather related discussions get out of hand, but nothing like todays.
 
Never feel intimidated by the knowledge some of us "seem" to have. You will be surprised how quick you will learn.
 
Good to see you getting some weather, here it is dry and 22-23C at 8pm, but a change is only about an hour away.
 
Michael
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 10:40
Subject: aus-wx: Lurker coming out !

Hi Everybody
 
I must confess I have been hanging about for a couple of weeks now, thoroughly enjoying the emails.
To be truthful I have been a little intimidated.  You are all so well informed.
I thought best to declare my presence in light of that abhorrent mail received this morning. 
My name is Ashton Anderson and I am from Sydney. Well, Sydney is where I call home.  I left Sydney in 1988 to live in WA until 1999.  Since then I have been in Tasmania.
Down here I live at Collins Cap which is on the North Western boundary of Wellington Range.  The elevation at home is approx 550m.
At present we are experiencing a fairly major cold front which has produced snow to around 700/600m overnight and this morning.  Frequent patches of sunshine are burning it fairly quickly.  Tonight and tomorrow should see a major front pass which may produce quite decent falls.  I notice Clyve mentioned rice snow earlier.  I have 2 black labs which I walk each day (they are my snow guages) and at times on our walk today their coats were covered with tiny (2mm) balls of frozen ice.  It is now blowing quite impressively from WSW and the pressure sits at 998hPA.
Thanks again, I do enjoy your emails.
 
Ashton
Subject: aus-wx: C QLD coast To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:47:30 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well, A single storm with a long thin anvil streaming off to the E has gone up N of Rockhampton. The storm seemes to have formed right on the beach, possibly riding the convergence zone between an NE sea breeze and a SW synoptic push. The tracker hasn't picked up any lightning from the storm as of 4:27 pm EST. Why haven't we seen more "action" up there? Upper-level support? My enemy of old - synoptic-scale subsidence and his best friend - the CAPE robber? Could someone save the 23 UTC 19 Oct 2001 BRK (Rockhampton) sounding, please? Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:22:24 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: C QLD coast Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Harald, Radar showed a couple of cells popping up, but nothing further than ~20km inland. I think it dried out as the SW'lies pushed through. I don't think there would have been too much subsidence though? But definately it would have dried out significantly above the surface. AC Harald Richter wrote: > > Well, > > A single storm with a long thin anvil streaming off to the E has gone up N of Rockhampton. > The storm seemes to have formed right on the beach, possibly riding the convergence > zone between an NE sea breeze and a SW synoptic push. > The tracker hasn't picked up any lightning from the storm as of 4:27 pm EST. > > Why haven't we seen more "action" up there? Upper-level support? > My enemy of old - synoptic-scale subsidence and his best friend - the > CAPE robber? > > Could someone save the 23 UTC 19 Oct 2001 BRK (Rockhampton) sounding, please? > > Harald > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Harald Richter > BMRC > PO Box 1289K > Melbourne VIC 3001 > Australia > ph: +61 3 9669 4501 > fax: +61 3 9669 4660 > email: h.richter at bom.gov.au > url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: vasquez.zip.com.au: Host foobar at ppp171.dyn249.pacific.net.au [203.143.249.171] claimed to be ADSL-Server From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:47:40 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Friday 19 October 2001 14:33, you wrote: > Hi all, > also an island popped up not long ago off the coast of QLD sometime last > year (?), from a volcanic eruption. Do you know the location? The only ones I've heard of recently was south east of Haymay in the north sea. I'd be interested in knowing some more about that..... sound pretty cool! David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Stephens e-mail Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:06:51 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 6 months suspension then straight back onto "P" plates! Just kidding Jim. I agree that whoever sent this email was a disgraceful act! I wouldn't even send something like that to someone I knew, even as a joke! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Deguara" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Stephens e-mail > Hi all, > > Well if it is not the same Steve (coincidence), then yes knock them off > particularly if they were obviously lurkers and recent subscribers. I no > doubt was also appalled by the actions. > > But the question remains that if it was the same person should they be > knocked off permanently without being contacted or given the reason why > such an action occurred and to apologise? I am also questioning the need > for consistency in terms of action. For instance, the use of "f" words on > this list tends to upset some people as well. Should that be dealt with as > well? That also affects the integrity of the list.... > > I feel if the latter was the case, a suspension based on the seriousness of > the incident should suffice. Expulsion is then considered if there was a > reoccurrence. > > But never mind, it is over now. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 07:48 AM 18/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Jimmy and all, > > > >This is >NOT< the same Steven Williams who normally posts here, a) this > >person has his name spelt Stephen rather than Steven, and b) the email > >addresses are different. > > > >I for one am happy with the action taken, I was totally appalled at the > >behaviour, and agree that it should >NOT< be tolerated. > > > >AC > > > >Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I must say I am sorry for responding to the e-mail from Stephen Williams by > > > replying which in effect recirculated the e-mail's offensive part. > > > > > > But I would like to re-emphasise my point from the earlier e-mail: what if > > > this was written from another person. This type of e-mail was totally out > > > of character from what Steve normally wrote. What if he was on the phone > > > and his friends came over to go out or something and played a joke on him > > > without his knowledge - can happen to anyone.... He now logs on and may or > > > may not even read his own e-mail as he has been struck off? Does this mean > > > he is banned for good? Imagine if it happened to me or anyone else on this > > > list whom I assume are decent? Will you be struck off for good? I must say > > > I found just as offensive e-mails say from the likes of Ira and others in > > > the past and they were never struck off - whether there were rules back > > > then or not. It was a commonsense mechanism to use. Suspension is a god way > > > to break through in this modern society. What about the accidental e-mail > > > to Jane from David Hart. David came one and apologised which I think was > > > the appropriate way to deal with the matter. > > > > > > What I am saying is - Stephen should have been suspended until such time he > > > accepts responsibility and apologise to the list perhaps explain what > > > happened. I think this e-mail was totally out of character for the type of > > > e-mails Stephen normally sends. > > > > > > These are my thoughts anyway - now that I am slightly awake. And Allison > > > not saying that this type of e-mail is acceptable. > > > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > >message. > > > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > > > from > > > Schofields, Sydney > > > NSW Australia > > > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:23:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I believe Krakatoa once erupted (?10000 years ago?) with such force that the last one in the 1800s was a Sunday School picnic by comparison. The earlier one I think sent smoke 130,000 feet up.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:00 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos > On Friday 19 October 2001 09:23, you wrote: > > Hi all > > > > While we are making a diversion into volcanos.... > > > > There's an amazing photograph, taken in the 1930s I believe, of Rabaul > > [sp?] Harbour in PNG [where the same volcano complex had a smaller eruption > > a few years back]. The photograph was taken in the middle of the day, but > > the sky is as black as midnight. The entire scene is only lit by the > > multiple lightning bolts generated in the ash cloud of the volcano, > > illuminating the ruined town and stripped trees in the foreground. That > > shot raised the hairs on my neck - its the closed thing to a vision of hell > > I've seen. > > > > The other thing is that the Mt Gambier [SE SA] complex's last eruption is > > only something like 2000years BP, meaning that the area is technically > > dormant, not extinct. Local Aboriginal tribes preserve the legend of the > > giant Kraitbul, who lit his ovens in the crater, only to have them quenched > > by rising water. While I'm not preying for an eruption that would > > obviously destroy the town, I believe seismic indications suggest that the > > latest area of activity has moved west off the coast south of Beachport. > > > > Underwater eruption anyone??? ;) I'd chase that! > > Oooer that would be interesting. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: vasquez.zip.com.au: Host foobar at ppp171.dyn249.pacific.net.au [203.143.249.171] claimed to be ADSL-Server From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:05:26 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Friday 19 October 2001 14:31, you wrote: > Does anyone know how long Mt Warning has been dormant/extinct for? 65 million years. The lava dome has collapsed forming the tweed valley. It is totally extinct, as it is no longer on top of the hotspot, and can thus never erupt again. The same goes for the glasshouse mountains. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p62-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.62] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:47:26 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 08:23 PM 19/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >I believe Krakatoa once erupted (?10000 years ago?) with such force that the >last one in the 1800s was a Sunday School picnic by comparison. The earlier >one I think sent smoke 130,000 feet up.. You mean to say that the man on the moon was coughing?? Sorry, could not resist. Weather related? I was quite interested in the convergence line that developed this afternoon as the wind swung around with scud rising into the bases. It is quite interesting to see the interactions when such a shear line occurs visibly. Jimmy Deguara ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p62-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.62] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:46:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Supercell debate Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry and thanks Harald. I mentioned John Woodbridge but there were others that also suggested characteristics of supercells such as yourself. I meant to be more general. Now I know I tend to slightly overcall supercells which is not a good example of science. But I suppose a debate on such a forum is a good way to both resolve and also learn more on how to recognise such features. Having said that, I do recognise that features on October 3rd are definitely supercellular. Though I am questioning or perhaps asking about 2nd October. There were more storms that day and some characteristics did exist and I suppose there was good wind shear. However, due to perhaps not such a strong cap, the storms were not as long lived. What are people's thoughts on this? Jimmy Deguara At 10:43 AM 19/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >G'Day Jimmy, > >I do enjoy the supercell discussion - folk like us have the best chance of >feeding reliable severe weather reports back to the forecasters, so it is >important that we have a good understanding what we're looking at when >we look at a storm (it does influence the warning process). > >[snip] > > > He [Rob Webb] suggested just as John Woodbridge suggested that a > supercell as a more > > substantial updraught with that rotates all the way up. > >Most mesocyclones are first observed at midlevels (visually and on Doppler). >At that stage the storm is usually classified as a supercell. > >Without going into too much detail, the way _I_ determine the degree of >supercellularity >[what a word] is by means of a hierachy/pyramid of observations. At the >bottom of the >pyramid are weak indicators that a storm is a supercell, e.g. very high >radar reflectivity >for a while. If all I have on a storm are weak indicators, I would need >_many_ of those to >classify the storm in question as a supercell. At the top of the pyramid >you have the >undisputable signs of supercellularity, e.g. a long-lived violent tornado >or a >long-lived intense radar-indicated shear couplet. Now a single piece of >this strong >evidence would convince me. > > > Not all supercells cause severity. > >I would put it as "supercell = high probability of the occurence of severe >weather", >where the quantification of "high" is another matter. > > > I was surprised when questioning the 2nd October outbreak, > > that no real excitement re supercells were recognised. > >Without reliable ground truth and/or Doppler radar, reflectivity signatures >of distant storms using a C-band radar is not much to go by. > >[more snip] > > > Those that attend the next ASWA tour of the Bureau may get a chance to > view > > some of the recent examples such as the 3rd November tornado radar example > > hook (a great example) and also the 5th November 2001 Coffs Harbour > example > > which I think also had a hook. Should be great to see these. > >Tell me when, I'll be there. :) > >Back to work, Harald > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:50:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Evening all,
 
Like Michael I have experienced a number of memorable storms & can't choose between them because each of then holds images that I can recall instantly even 30 years later ('retina retention' was Clyve's term for it)
 
There was snow in 1966 (they skiied down the street we lived in in Yaralumla & guess who had the mumps & couldn't go out & play in it), the storm that caused the Woden Valley floods in Canberra (1969?), the gustfront which appeared to be about 50' off the ground roaring in from the NW (1973), my first vehicular stormchase in Aunt's VW (with the Snoopy decals on it) on the same day I got my drivers' licence (1973) - I drove up Red Hill in Canberra in amongst a rain of cg's that rendered the landscape bright pink - these were the first 5kms of the goodness knows how many million I have done since, the snow chases around Tharwa & Tidbinbilla (no snow fell while we were there, there was no storm but the image of a million kangaroos remains as if it were yesterday), a storm in 1980 in Sydney which caused all traffic (bar taxis) to get off Parramatta Road and onto the footpaths under the awnings - I can't remember the size of the hail, but I'd dived under the awning of the Shell servo in Wentworthville before it even hit when the hair on the back of my neck started rising while I was driving!!!
 
Last year's storm in Glen Innes with the flang that moved Clyve's car sideways & gave Michael Thompson the view of molten 'balls' rolling off his bonnet & caused me to say something unrepeatable on the CB radio, & later the cg just across the road that the horses had known about before it even hit the spot where they'd been standing just seconds before........and the lightning on the beach from the headland in Pottsville had to be the most amazing lightning I've ever seen in my life.
 
Then there was the February storm in northern Victoria this year where I got up close & personal with that amazing gustfront, the storm in April where I sat and listened to my am radio SCREAM in the most electrically active storm I've ever been through in my life...... the passage of the cold front that I sat through at Yarragon earlier this month which had (amongst other things horizontal hail) ............
 
How many more images would you like?
 
Jane
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms

I have many memories, I rather like individual events within storms.
 
I have been very close to lightning twice.
 
Once I was looking at a very active storm from my front veranda at home when lightning struck the chimney of a house across the road. The canon blast thunder made a funny vibration under the veranda roof.
 
Another time in the late 1970's I went chasing near Mona Vale in Sydney. I pulled up on small exposed headland.  At almost the same minute that I thought how exposed I was there was a blinding flash and bang. I do not know whether it struck  the car or ground nearby, but it was blinding and ear shattering.
 
Michael
  
From: "Rhett Blanch" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Supercell debate Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:07:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Haralds mail got me thinking (hang in there I will get to the point). While I was at uni I did soil science. Like meteorology, soil science suffers from the fact that is a study of the natural environment where classifying something is difficult because there are no distinct boundaries between different soils (or for the purpose of the list types of storms). Some soils could be said to be of one particular type, but they still exhibit characteristics of others. To address this issue soils are classified by the use of a "key", this comes in the form of a book where you basically ask a set of questions to determine what type of soil is which. Its sort of like "a choose your own adventure" book (for people that remember them). So for example, the first step might be to ask whether the soil is divided into different levels or horizons. If yes, then you might then ask how many horizons...then what colour are the horizons, and so on until you run out of options and your soil has been classified. I was considering how possible it would be to develop a similar system to classify storms, a "key" of sorts not unlike Haralds pyramid. Not just to determine whether a storm is a supercell but to classify other types of storms, as well as "keying out" the characteristics that define say a classic super cell, a LP, and a HP etc. Maybe some type of formal/informal key would help with the definitional problems experienced in determining which storms are which. Rhett -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 8:47 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Supercell debate Sorry and thanks Harald. I mentioned John Woodbridge but there were others that also suggested characteristics of supercells such as yourself. I meant to be more general. Now I know I tend to slightly overcall supercells which is not a good example of science. But I suppose a debate on such a forum is a good way to both resolve and also learn more on how to recognise such features. Having said that, I do recognise that features on October 3rd are definitely supercellular. Though I am questioning or perhaps asking about 2nd October. There were more storms that day and some characteristics did exist and I suppose there was good wind shear. However, due to perhaps not such a strong cap, the storms were not as long lived. What are people's thoughts on this? Jimmy Deguara At 10:43 AM 19/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >G'Day Jimmy, > >I do enjoy the supercell discussion - folk like us have the best chance of >feeding reliable severe weather reports back to the forecasters, so it is >important that we have a good understanding what we're looking at when >we look at a storm (it does influence the warning process). > >[snip] > > > He [Rob Webb] suggested just as John Woodbridge suggested that a > supercell as a more > > substantial updraught with that rotates all the way up. > >Most mesocyclones are first observed at midlevels (visually and on Doppler). >At that stage the storm is usually classified as a supercell. > >Without going into too much detail, the way _I_ determine the degree of >supercellularity >[what a word] is by means of a hierachy/pyramid of observations. At the >bottom of the >pyramid are weak indicators that a storm is a supercell, e.g. very high >radar reflectivity >for a while. If all I have on a storm are weak indicators, I would need >_many_ of those to >classify the storm in question as a supercell. At the top of the pyramid >you have the >undisputable signs of supercellularity, e.g. a long-lived violent tornado >or a >long-lived intense radar-indicated shear couplet. Now a single piece of >this strong >evidence would convince me. > > > Not all supercells cause severity. > >I would put it as "supercell = high probability of the occurence of severe >weather", >where the quantification of "high" is another matter. > > > I was surprised when questioning the 2nd October outbreak, > > that no real excitement re supercells were recognised. > >Without reliable ground truth and/or Doppler radar, reflectivity signatures >of distant storms using a C-band radar is not much to go by. > >[more snip] > > > Those that attend the next ASWA tour of the Bureau may get a chance to > view > > some of the recent examples such as the 3rd November tornado radar example > > hook (a great example) and also the 5th November 2001 Coffs Harbour > example > > which I think also had a hook. Should be great to see these. > >Tell me when, I'll be there. :) > >Back to work, Harald > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://thryp.ho.bom.gov.au/external/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: aus-wx: hail near Newcastle Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:42:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Just talking to someone from Lemon Tree Passage north of Newcastle,and they said that they had just had some hail there.  Was wondering if anyone else up that way had any.
 
Carolyn
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 02:43:28 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: SE QLD/NE NSW Lightning Show Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I decided to go for a short drive (100km) to Coolongatta, near the border. Well worth it! Sat at Coolongatta for over an hour watching lightning, about one flash per second, increeasing periodically to 2-3 flashes per second at times! Was certainly a fantastic little lightning show!!!!!!!!!! Couple of nice CGs and bolts, with some good very solid multicell structure being lit up! I'll try and get some time to do some captures etc in the near future. -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:16:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
 
I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather Stats from BirdCage Software.  It is a free download from
 it is suppose to let you track local weather conditions.  I was wondering if anyone has seen or used this one before.  I can't remember anyone mentioning it since I have been on the list.
 
Carolyn
From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:42:01 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Carolyn,
I've been using this program for a number of months - I normally have the temperature of Dunns Hill showing on the taskbar (502m) - currently 8.2C, while here (100m) it is 14.3C.
 
Jane
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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com
 
Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
 
ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: aus-wx: weather stats

Hi All,
 
I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather Stats from BirdCage Software.  It is a free download from
 it is suppose to let you track local weather conditions.  I was wondering if anyone has seen or used this one before.  I can't remember anyone mentioning it since I have been on the list.
 
Carolyn
From: "Tina Jones" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:40:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
I have a copy of weather stats.  I find it useful, but only so I know what it's doing up at Thredbo (I live in Jindy).  It only works on BoM AWS locations.
 
It's not bad
Tina :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: aus-wx: weather stats

Hi All,
 
I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather Stats from BirdCage Software.  It is a free download from
 it is suppose to let you track local weather conditions.  I was wondering if anyone has seen or used this one before.  I can't remember anyone mentioning it since I have been on the list.
 
Carolyn
From: "Chris Nitso" To: "Aussie-Weather at World.Std.Com" Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:05:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi
 
Just a question, why is Townsville and Cairns 2 of the 4 biggest Queensland cities not on this thing meanwhile Dotswood (pop 500 odd) is?
 
Otherwise its a good, nifty little program.
 
CHEERS: Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Tina Jones
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats

I have a copy of weather stats.  I find it useful, but only so I know what it's doing up at Thredbo (I live in Jindy).  It only works on BoM AWS locations.
 
It's not bad
Tina :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: aus-wx: weather stats

Hi All,
 
I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather Stats from BirdCage Software.  It is a free download from
 it is suppose to let you track local weather conditions.  I was wondering if anyone has seen or used this one before.  I can't remember anyone mentioning it since I have been on the list.
 
Carolyn
From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:25:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Jane and all
thanks for that, will now have a real look at it and see just what it can do.  Thanks
 
Carolyn
X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:06:15 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2001 07:06:15.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5B71D60:01C15935] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've been using this prog for ages too. I edited the weather.ini file so I have my own personalised radar and lightning images, warnings, aviation forcasts etc instead of using the standard ones that come with the program. The other program I'm using is WetSock. It decodes ARFOR and TAF information and displays it in quickly readable info, and also displays an image of the current conditions in the task bar. There are a few other good ones such as Weather1, Weather2000 etc that I have run in the past. These two seem to be the best. The only thing I wish they did was display a flashing icon or something when warnings are issued. This works for US cities, but not for Australia. Liam >From: "Carolyn" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:25:48 +1000 > >Jane and all >thanks for that, will now have a real look at it and see just what it can >do. Thanks > >Carolyn _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:09:44 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Gees it's cold in Melbourne!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Well, I'm back from the heat and humidity of Darwin/Katherine and into the cold of Melbourne. 9 days of shorts, sweat and storms....the best ingredients. When I have time I'll get my 6 rolls of film developed, and slowly sift through the 7 hours of video tape that I took. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the best lightning displays on video due to work or lack of sheltered views. However, the lack of middle level cloud meant that there were some awesome shots of storms! I'd like to thank Jane for her updates, and for allowing me to continuously pay her out about all the storms I was seeing while she was back in dreary Melbourne.....although I'm yet to go through the 300+ emails which may reveal otherwise. Pics and an account will eventually be put up, but I have to start preparing for a talk which I have to give on Tuesday. My next trip back to Darwin, and this time Melville Island, will be Nov 15-20 and I can't wait!!!! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:24:28 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Gees it's cold in Melbourne!!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fantastic Robert !!! It will be great to finally see some pictures from the top end (apart from jason's photos on BSCH from last season) Glad you had a good trip, have fun in a months time ! :) Matt Smith Robert Goler wrote: > Hi all > > Well, I'm back from the heat and humidity of Darwin/Katherine and into the > cold of Melbourne. 9 days of shorts, sweat and storms....the best > ingredients. When I have time I'll get my 6 rolls of film developed, and > slowly sift through the 7 hours of video tape that I took. Unfortunately, > I couldn't get the best lightning displays on video due to work or lack of > sheltered views. However, the lack of middle level cloud meant that there > were some awesome shots of storms! > > I'd like to thank Jane for her updates, and for allowing me to > continuously pay her out about all the storms I was seeing while she was > back in dreary Melbourne.....although I'm yet to go through the 300+ > emails which may reveal otherwise. > > Pics and an account will eventually be put up, but I have to start > preparing for a talk which I have to give on Tuesday. > > My next trip back to Darwin, and this time Melville Island, will be > Nov 15-20 and I can't wait!!!! > > Cheers > > -- > > Robert A. Goler > > School of Mathematical Sciences > Monash University > Clayton, Vic 3800 > Australia > > ph. +61 3 9905 4424 > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > > -- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman Islands Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:16:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Gee, it's tempting to think that there is a potential tropical TC twin developing over the Solomon Islands at present. 
 
Late October would be very early for the Coral Sea tropical cyclone season commencement. But I suppose anything can happen - worth watching.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "The Weather Man" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman Islands Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:44:44 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey Simon,
I guees your right, I have been watching it as well, but by the look of things its not going to have any impact on QLD coast.
Regards
Jason
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:16 PM
Subject: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman Islands

Hi all
 
Gee, it's tempting to think that there is a potential tropical TC twin developing over the Solomon Islands at present. 
 
Late October would be very early for the Coral Sea tropical cyclone season commencement. But I suppose anything can happen - worth watching.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: USA forecast discussion Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:43:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, from a forecast discussion in the northeast of the USA.......how high is the fence along Interstate 94????? DISCUSSION... A COLD FRONT WILL PROGRESS INTO THE STATE FROM THE WEST OVERNIGHT...AND SWEEP EAST OF THE AREA SUNDAY MORNING. SCATTERED SHOWERS CAN BE EXPECTED ALONG THE FRONT...WITH THUNDERSTORMS BEING RATHER ISOLATED. MOISTURE APPEARS TO BE A BIT MEAGER FOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT. IF STORMS DO DEVELOP THEY WILL BE ALONG AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 94. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:59:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tanya http://ozthunder.com Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 22:36 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > which is your website Michael? > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 9:13 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > ( at base of message ). > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > similar to storm chasing. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > Hi Michael, > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > to > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > in > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > Thompson > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TJ" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > hi all, > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > going > > as > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > find > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > Terrey > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > with > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > looked > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > > the > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > fire > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > > so > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > house > > & > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > to > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us > & > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > unaware > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > have > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > > up > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > the > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > like > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > sounds > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > volcanoes > > > etc after going thru this. > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > neighbours > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > it > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > > heart pounding. > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > be > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > be > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > huge > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > my > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > Tanya > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > as > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > an > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > storm, > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > for > > > a > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > enjoy > > > > this topic. > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > shelf > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > high. > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > confirm > > or > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:04:07 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman Islands X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com JTWC are keeping an eye on it but describing it as "poor" in ABPW. Looking at the satpics, there just doesn't seem to be quite enough moisture in it. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "The Weather Man" To: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:44:44 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman Islands > Hey Simon, > I guees your right, I have been watching it as well, but by the look of > things its not going to have any impact on QLD coast. > Regards > Jason > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Simon Clarke > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 8:16 PM > Subject: aus-wx: TS Podul's potential twin circulation - Soloman > Islands > > > Hi all > > Gee, it's tempting to think that there is a potential tropical TC > twin developing over the Solomon Islands at present. > > Late October would be very early for the Coral Sea tropical cyclone > season commencement. But I suppose anything can happen - worth > watching. > > > Regards > Simon > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 06:00:49 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA forecast discussion X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I should imagine the storms will develop along the Interstate 94 from the pyrocumulus which develops from all those truck exhausts! I dunno about the ones to the South, though. Any other explanations? Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:43:18 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: USA forecast discussion > Evening all, > > from a forecast discussion in the northeast of the USA.......how high > is > the fence along Interstate 94????? > > DISCUSSION... > > A COLD FRONT WILL PROGRESS INTO THE STATE FROM THE WEST OVERNIGHT...AND > SWEEP EAST OF THE AREA SUNDAY MORNING. SCATTERED SHOWERS CAN BE > EXPECTED > ALONG THE FRONT...WITH THUNDERSTORMS BEING RATHER ISOLATED. MOISTURE > APPEARS TO BE A BIT MEAGER FOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT. IF STORMS DO > DEVELOP THEY > WILL BE ALONG AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 94. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: MSC - Updates Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:37:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, I'm pleased to report that we have only had 3 non-rain days this month!! I'm not pleased to report that I have only had 1 thunder day though. I've put together a collection of some amazing images taken in a state that a few of you 'non-believers' think has no weather whatsoever - have a look at these & realign your thinking - it's not just NSW & Queensland that get 'weather' you know..... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/vicimages.htm As it's getting to that time of year, I've also added a Tropical Resource section to the MSC Cafe http://www.stormchasers.au.com/forecasting.htm The Leopold tornado page is being updated with new images every couple of days - anyone have a 3D image (or 3) they'd like to donate? http://www.stormchasers.au.com/3_10_01.htm REQUEST FOR HELP: I'm rewriting the MSC Mobile Information links page http://www.stormchasers.au.com/ontheroad.htm for those of you travelling & wanting quick wx links on one page without images to slow you down - if you have any suggestions of what specifc pages (rather than sites) you would like to see included please let me know & I'll add them. Enjoy! Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:49:36 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: small funnels off southern Gold Coast 20/10 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, On the way to the Brisbane ASWA meeting yesterday, Dave Ellem, Rodney Wallbridge and I spotted a nice wedge shaped funnel at the base of congesting cumulus near Gold Coast Airport. We quickly detoured to the beach (and of course the big one dissipated before getting the video out), but in the 15 minutes we had available we saw some small funnels, probably about 5 or 6 different ones in that time. After we left, more were observed from a distance with one pencil shaped one half way to the water ! This is what we saw at the beach at Tugun between 0829 and 0843: http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/20011020.htm The cumulus weren't particularly high, only 2km I'd say. regards, Michael =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: small funnels off southern Gold Coast 20/10 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 12:16:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2001 02:19:01.0104 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF55F700:01C159D6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Excellent stuff Michael, David and Rodney!!!! These events are great. Perfect case of being in the right place at the right time. Good to see SE QLD is taking a leaf out of Victoria's book re: funnels . Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Bath To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: aus-wx: small funnels off southern Gold Coast 20/10 > Hi All, > > On the way to the Brisbane ASWA meeting yesterday, Dave Ellem, Rodney > Wallbridge and I spotted a nice wedge shaped funnel at the base of > congesting cumulus near Gold Coast Airport. > > We quickly detoured to the beach (and of course the big one dissipated > before getting the video out), but in the 15 minutes we had available we > saw some small funnels, probably about 5 or 6 different ones in that time. > After we left, more were observed from a distance with one pencil shaped > one half way to the water ! > > This is what we saw at the beach at Tugun between 0829 and 0843: > > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/20011020.htm > > The cumulus weren't particularly high, only 2km I'd say. > > regards, Michael > > > =============================================================== > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ > North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ > Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > =============================================================== > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: dactyl at world.std.com To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:28:43 -0400 Subject: aus-wx: awesome images X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi I must compliment Jane for the work on her website. I really enjoyed the photo collections, and the page on the Leopold tornado...looks awesome! I'd also like to praise all the great photographers out there who share their images with me, some on a daily basis - Many of these people I am going to list helped calm me on the morning of September 11, and for that I am eternally grateful..... Below is a list of some great Australian weather photographers who don't get enough credit for the work that they do....... Tony Middleton, Matt Smith, Ben Quinn, Andrew McDonald, Anthony Cornelius, James Chambers, Jason Rainforest, Steve Baynham, Daniel Weatherhead, Nick Sykes, Chris Gribben, Andrew Wall, Lindsay Pearce, Paul Yole, Paul Miracki, Jason Bush, Mark Dwyer, Greg Spencer, Narelle Bowmaker, and last but not least Nathan Thompson If I left out anyone, I sincerely apologize :) Tara Usually lurking from the US http://world.std.com/~dactyl/HomePage +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: awesome images Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:52:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tara, Thank you for your very kind words. There are very many outstanding photographers in Australia. I'd like to congratulate them also because they raise the standard for the rest of us ..... Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- > Hi > > I must compliment Jane for the work on her website. I really > enjoyed the photo collections, and the page on the Leopold > tornado...looks awesome! > > I'd also like to praise all the great photographers out there who > share their images with me, some on a daily basis - > > Many of these people I am going to list helped calm me on the > morning of September 11, and for that I am eternally grateful..... > > Below is a list of some great Australian weather photographers who > don't get enough credit for the work that they do....... > > Tony Middleton, Matt Smith, Ben Quinn, Andrew McDonald, > Anthony Cornelius, James Chambers, Jason Rainforest, Steve > Baynham, Daniel Weatherhead, Nick Sykes, Chris Gribben, > Andrew Wall, Lindsay Pearce, Paul Yole, Paul Miracki, Jason > Bush, Mark Dwyer, Greg Spencer, Narelle Bowmaker, and last but > not least Nathan Thompson > > If I left out anyone, I sincerely apologize :) > > > Tara > > Usually lurking from the US > > http://world.std.com/~dactyl/HomePage > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: dactyl at world.std.com To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:16:07 -0400 Subject: aus-wx: memorable storms X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi While I am here I figured I would share my most memorable storms here in the US. The plains probably gets some of the best severe weather however, us Yanks on the east coast get the best WINTER weather with some moisture from the tropics thrown in every now and then :-) My first most memorable storm here in the United States would be the East coast blizzard of 1978. Although I was only 13 years old, I will always remember the howling winds and blinding snow, and the 6 foot snow banks, and the snow drifts up to the window - it took about week to unbury ourselves. you can read about it here if you wish: http://www.boston.com/globe/metro/packages/blizzard/ good photos here: http://projo.com/special/blizzard/gallery.htm my photos are buried at Mom's house in Connecticut - I need to scan them My second most memorable storm Tropical Storm Floyd - September 16-17, 1999 When this happened I had just moved from Massachusetts to the New York City area. I always (and still do) joke about how New York City never gets any good weather - I was certainly wrong on this day.... Just north of New York City along the Hudson River, about 52 km north of the city, we received 14 inches of rain less than 24 hours. I spent a great deal of this storm in my car, trying to get home from work that evening and was too scared to attempt to take photos (I bad). This was probably the second most terrifying time in my life - the first being the morning of September 11 of this year. Anyway, my supervisors urged me to leave work early on the afternoon of September 16, 1999. I was thinking "how hard can it be to drive in heavy rain, I'll just go slow." NEVER underestimate, Ma (Mum) Nature! When I finally did leave work I decided to NOT take the highway home - (BIG MISTAKE) - and took secondary roads. These secondary roads were horribly flooded. (RainX works awesome in tropical storms BTW) Anthony Cornelius, Ben Quinn and Tony Middleton have taken a lot of flood photos that remind me of this night. I was on a four lane road with a guard rail in the middle with two lanes going north and two south. You can imagine what the visibility was like with extremely heavy rain with AT LEAST 30-40 mph gusts. Going north, the road was barely driveable. It was rush hour and I crawled along the road with the rest of the traffic at a snail's pace. Looking on the southbound side, the road appeared to a raging river and was undriveable. I watched people wade thru waist deep water to safety after their cars had stalled out. (The next morning, news photos showed this road looking like a parking lot, as people went to retrieve their cars). Eventually I was forced off this road by flooding. By some miracle, and with the help of volunteer fire-fighters who were guiding people around flooded roads, I was able to battle my way back to the main highway. I still don't know how I did it. After I got on the highway I had to cross the Hudson River on a 3 mile bridge. I turned on my emergency flashers and felt my way thru the fog using vehicles in front of me as my guiding light. The winds were amazing on that bridge. I really had to hold on to the steering wheel to control the car properly. After I got off the highway, I narrowly escaped an accident as a large tree had JUST fallen across the road. Had I been going in this direction a few minutes earlier, my car would have been crushed. Luckily I had a small car and was able to drive around the end of the tree and continue on. I didn't get far as the roads ahead were barely passable and some NOT passable. I tried all sorts of short cuts and nearly swamped my car in one of them. I couldn't believe I was able to drive thru water with it reaching the hood or bonnet. After spending two hours and deciding I couldn't get home, I figured I would wait out the storm. I tried to call home but cellular (mobiles) was not working. One of the things that makes me laugh now is my recollection of me standing in a foot of water at a pay phone trying to reach my boyfriend to let him know I was okay. I had an umbrella which broke and bent almost immediately. By this time it was pitch dark out. After trying to use the phone, I was TIRED and needed a rest. I figured I would wait and see if the rain let up so I could at least see easier, since it was dark. I parked in parking lot, high above ground and watched gusty winds, 40-70 mph, twist trees and snap power lines. What I thought was lightning were transformers on utility poles blowing. When the rain had let up I was finally able to continue the 6 or so miles left i had to travel to get home. After I got thru one deep area of water and figured I was home free. It was one of the best feelings ever to know I was FINALLY home. Little did I know I still had more work to do. At the time I lived in a wooded area, and after leaving the main road, i had to stop the car every 1000 feet and move fall trees to the side of the road. I think I had to make about 8 or 9 stops. I could not believe my car was still going. Finally I reach my street. I was about 500 feet from my house and there was a tree that was just way too big for me to move. I parked the car to the side as best as I could and walked up to the house. I will NEVER ever forget that drive home or Tropical Storm Floyd. Macca - thanks for starting this "thread" - been VERY interesting Tara aka dactyl aka dacca http://world.std.com/~dactyl/HomePage +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: 1500km of cirrus Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:18:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, An amazing line of cirrus stretching from Queensland to NW of Tasmania has held together & travelled eastwards all day - shows up here http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausvlast.gif and here http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/10210721csironsw.gif Could someone give us an explanation of why? Does it mark the 300hPa trough that has been developing? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Podul's non-twin Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:21:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Jason and Phil et al
 
Evening Sunday - Looks like a last gasp from yesterday's nice upper swirl (near the Solomon Islands). I don't expect much more from this one now.
 
Typhoon Podul looks like he (she or it) could have a bit of grunt in the next few days - well clear of land fortunately.
 
Regards
Simon 
From: "Paul Rands" To: "Aus Wx" Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35:32 +1000 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2360) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) Subject: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi gang Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: Storm victims afraid of clouds STEELE TALLON 21oct01 QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. A State Government investigation into the "once-in-a-century" storm that hit the state's southeast in March found widespread psychological fallout among victims. But none of the victims surveyed had sought counselling. A boy, 12, and man, 50, drowned in flash flooding in the March storms as more than 250mm of rain in a few hours and 100km/h wind gusts lashed Brisbane and the Gold and Sunshine Coasts. Water levels in parts of Brisbane were higher than the 1974 floods. "Many victims related stories of emotional debilitation and some indicated a deterioration in their level of daily functioning, which they directly attributed to the emotional effects of the storm," the report said. "Most are still traumatised at times of heavy cloud and forecasts of rain. Actual rainstorms make many people extremely anxious." The report recommended more be done to help with the emotional and psychological well-being of victims. "A focus on the 'whole situation' . . . might provide a useful starting point in the initiation of community disaster recovery," it said. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Rands prands at efter-stormen.com - ICQ UIN: 1254371 "If you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains is the answer no matter how improbable it may appear." All e-mail is scanned by the latest version of Norton Anti-Virus 2002. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: If you thought TC Steve was amazing.. then ! Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:38:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Then check out TC Katrina/Victor/Cindy in 1998 ( a 50 day system that wandered through 6 areas of TC responsibility, starting in QLD, into New Guinea, then Fiji, back to QLD across NT then WA then into La Reunion) and the first to be given three names (as far as I can recall)
 
Not a TC all the way, but nevertheless a continuous identifiable circulation.
 
For more info check out the all new, improved and excellent Australian Severe Weather Association Website.
 
Sorry no good at giving you direct connections, but I'm sure most of you know where (or will be able) to find it.
 
 
Regards
Simon
From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:50:35 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Paul Rands asserted this: > Hi gang > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > STEELE TALLON > 21oct01 > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Rands" To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:24:02 +1000 X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2360) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;2) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all >> QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. > >Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. > I thought the same when I read it, thought it'd be interesting to post either way. I just finsihed reading about the 1985 storm in Brisbane, that sounded fully huge. Anyone got photos or know where to look at em? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Rands prands at efter-stormen.com - ICQ UIN: 1254371 "If you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains is the answer no matter how improbable it may appear." All e-mail is scanned by the latest version of Norton Anti-Virus 2002. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:42:25 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I doubt this is fiction at all. You'd be surprised at the number of people who are afraid of storms, a lot of people cower in their cupboards as soon as there's the faintest rumble of thunder. And no doubt this would have been a traumatic experience for anyone who was effected by it, especially since you wonder "Will it happen again?" I know this event touched me fairly deeply when I was driving around the damaged areas, it really made me feel sad for those who lost so much. AC David Findlay wrote: > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > Paul Rands asserted this: > > Hi gang > > > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > > STEELE TALLON > > 21oct01 > > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. > > Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Man" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Podul's non-twin Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:41:16 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Simon,
Yes I would have to agree with your there as its looking very ordinary....
Can any one tell me if they are having trouble accessing the radar from BOM?? or is it my Computer.
regards
Jason
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:21 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Podul's non-twin

Jason and Phil et al
 
Evening Sunday - Looks like a last gasp from yesterday's nice upper swirl (near the Solomon Islands). I don't expect much more from this one now.
 
Typhoon Podul looks like he (she or it) could have a bit of grunt in the next few days - well clear of land fortunately.
 
Regards
Simon 
X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p416-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.162] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony and all, On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. I wonder if storm chasing is a possible way of curing these people in light of the examples we have here. Jimmy Deguara At 08:42 PM 21/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >I doubt this is fiction at all. You'd be surprised at the number of >people who are afraid of storms, a lot of people cower in their >cupboards as soon as there's the faintest rumble of thunder. And no >doubt this would have been a traumatic experience for anyone who was >effected by it, especially since you wonder "Will it happen again?" I >know this event touched me fairly deeply when I was driving around the >damaged areas, it really made me feel sad for those who lost so much. > >AC > >David Findlay wrote: > > > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Paul Rands asserted this: > > > Hi gang > > > > > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > > > > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > > > STEELE TALLON > > > 21oct01 > > > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark > clouds. > > > > Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Man" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:07:39 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, Sorry Missed a few of your other emails, what program was it you were using it sounds very interesting. regards Jason º¿º ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liam Domanski" To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > I've been using this prog for ages too. > > I edited the weather.ini file so I have my own personalised radar and > lightning images, warnings, aviation forcasts etc instead of using the > standard ones that come with the program. > > The other program I'm using is WetSock. > > It decodes ARFOR and TAF information and displays it in quickly readable > info, and also displays an image of the current conditions in the task bar. > > There are a few other good ones such as Weather1, Weather2000 etc that I > have run in the past. These two seem to be the best. > > The only thing I wish they did was display a flashing icon or something when > warnings are issued. This works for US cities, but not for Australia. > > > Liam > > > >From: "Carolyn" > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:25:48 +1000 > > > >Jane and all > >thanks for that, will now have a real look at it and see just what it can > >do. Thanks > > > >Carolyn > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:24:19 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, Phobias often turn into fascinations...I'm petrified of spiders, but I'm fascinated by them and if I see a documentary on spiders, it'll be something I'll definately watch. AC Jimmy Deguara wrote: > > Hi Anthony and all, > > On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will > not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into > fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > > I wonder if storm chasing is a possible way of curing these people in light > of the examples we have here. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 08:42 PM 21/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >I doubt this is fiction at all. You'd be surprised at the number of > >people who are afraid of storms, a lot of people cower in their > >cupboards as soon as there's the faintest rumble of thunder. And no > >doubt this would have been a traumatic experience for anyone who was > >effected by it, especially since you wonder "Will it happen again?" I > >know this event touched me fairly deeply when I was driving around the > >damaged areas, it really made me feel sad for those who lost so much. > > > >AC > > > >David Findlay wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > > Paul Rands asserted this: > > > > Hi gang > > > > > > > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > > > > > > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > > > > STEELE TALLON > > > > 21oct01 > > > > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark > > clouds. > > > > > > Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. > > > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:30:12 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jason, this is part of the original message I posted... I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather Stats from BirdCage Software. It is a free download from www.birdcagesoft.com/index1.html Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Weather Man" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:07 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > Hi, > Sorry Missed a few of your other emails, what program was it you were using > it sounds very interesting. > regards > Jason > º¿º > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liam Domanski" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > > > > I've been using this prog for ages too. > > > > I edited the weather.ini file so I have my own personalised radar and > > lightning images, warnings, aviation forcasts etc instead of using the > > standard ones that come with the program. > > > > The other program I'm using is WetSock. > > > > It decodes ARFOR and TAF information and displays it in quickly readable > > info, and also displays an image of the current conditions in the task > bar. > > > > There are a few other good ones such as Weather1, Weather2000 etc that I > > have run in the past. These two seem to be the best. > > > > The only thing I wish they did was display a flashing icon or something > when > > warnings are issued. This works for US cities, but not for Australia. > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > >From: "Carolyn" > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:25:48 +1000 > > > > > >Jane and all > > >thanks for that, will now have a real look at it and see just what it can > > >do. Thanks > > > > > >Carolyn > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:00:37 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Jimmy Deguara asserted this: > On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will > not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into > fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. I don't disbelieve the existance of storm phobia's, but I don't think anyone would be so emotionally disturbed as the article portrays. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Man" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:54:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ok thanks. jason º¿º ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > Jason, > this is part of the original message I posted... > I have just been reading Icon, and saw a review of a program called Weather > Stats from BirdCage Software. It is a free download from > www.birdcagesoft.com/index1.html > > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Weather Man" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > > > > Hi, > > Sorry Missed a few of your other emails, what program was it you were > using > > it sounds very interesting. > > regards > > Jason > > º¿º > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Liam Domanski" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:06 PM > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > > > > > > > I've been using this prog for ages too. > > > > > > I edited the weather.ini file so I have my own personalised radar and > > > lightning images, warnings, aviation forcasts etc instead of using the > > > standard ones that come with the program. > > > > > > The other program I'm using is WetSock. > > > > > > It decodes ARFOR and TAF information and displays it in quickly readable > > > info, and also displays an image of the current conditions in the task > > bar. > > > > > > There are a few other good ones such as Weather1, Weather2000 etc that I > > > have run in the past. These two seem to be the best. > > > > > > The only thing I wish they did was display a flashing icon or something > > when > > > warnings are issued. This works for US cities, but not for Australia. > > > > > > > > > Liam > > > > > > > > > >From: "Carolyn" > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: weather stats > > > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:25:48 +1000 > > > > > > > >Jane and all > > > >thanks for that, will now have a real look at it and see just what it > can > > > >do. Thanks > > > > > > > >Carolyn > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p416-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.162] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:34:02 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Haven't posted lots of pics for a while... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Just to ease the boredom and get some more discussion, I thought I would post the last roll of film which has the last part of the photos of the 3rd October Bulahdelah event. http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20011021.html Now I have also been experimenting on the use of videos and come up with some samples. I have included 6 samples of the 5th November Coffs Harbour supercell chase for those who did not see the video. Please excuse my lack of control of the video camera - oh well I was excited. Check in the updated article: http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/index.html top article on this page as follows: http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0011-05.htm Coffs Harbour supercell chase is further down the article and has the videos placed in the appropriate place within the article. There are siz video clips. Another article has also been updated with Tim Pascoe's waterspout picture included - towards the bottom which is his account in the article. http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200108-01.htm ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p416-tnt8.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.148.162] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:32:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, I never read the article but what Anthony suggested earlier is correct as the Bureau gets phone calls every time they have storms in the forecast. I suppose it is a measure of the degree of severity of the phobias. But those at the severe end really do go through a lot of anxiety particularly as the storm approaches. People going under the bed and in cupboards is totally real. Pets do the same thing. Our dog trembles with the first signs of audible thunder. So I know humans would go through the same type of reactions. I know of two people who suffered storm phobias and they thought I was mad chasing storms. They described their feelings to me. Both were different though: one had a fairly good knowledge of when storms were coming which provided a challenge for me at an earlier age. He had an experience when a lightning bolt struck very close to his brother and him at an earlier age knocking them over just from the sonic boom. The other is petrified and locks herself in the cupboard or goes under the bed. Jimmy Deguara At 10:00 PM 21/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as >Jimmy Deguara asserted this: > > On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > > chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will > > not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into > > fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > >I don't disbelieve the existance of storm phobia's, but I don't think anyone >would be so emotionally disturbed as the article portrays. > >David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:46:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2001 12:48:53.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD2D42A0:01C15A2E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David and others, When I did work experience at the BoM in Melbourne a few years back I spent a day up in the public call in centre and they had a person who called up numerous (like 15+) times a day totally terrified to leave her house in case there was a thunderstorm so she'd call the BoM and ask if there was any storms. She was truely petrified and this was on a day when there was merely weak showers and absolutely no chance of storms what so ever. I'd hate to see how this person would behave on a big storm day. Some people can and will be seriously emotially scarred by such significant events (just think how the people of Jarrell TX, Moore OK and the like would feel every time they see a storm coming....). You shouldn't underestimate the power of both mother nature and also the mind. Regards, Andrew McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: David Findlay To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > Jimmy Deguara asserted this: > > On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > > chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will > > not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into > > fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > > I don't disbelieve the existance of storm phobia's, but I don't think anyone > would be so emotionally disturbed as the article portrays. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at xenios.qldnet.com.au Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:28:58 +1000 To: Aussie Weather List From: Carl Smith Subject: aus-wx: Fwd: Weather ezine 21st October 2001 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id KAA06400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All. Thought I would post this issue of Ken Ring's Weather Ezine to the list, as it poses some interesting topics for discussion. Ken Ring is a long-range weather forecaster. NZ list members may like to check to see how accurate his long-range forecasts are. Regards, Carl. From: Ken Ring Subject: Weather ezine 21st October 2001 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:57:14 +1300 Reply-To: ken at weatherman.co.nz List-Subscribe: Greetings Moon Position High winds Last week's earthquake Why do we have a metservice? Looking Way Ahead for Farmers Moon Link Submissions and Global Warming again Fishing Tuvalu Cons the Kiwis Drought Archives Correspondence Contact ================================ GREETINGS Hi, if you have just joined this newsletter, which looks behind the weather and way ahead, and at the way the MOON creates our climate. This revives the ancient mathematical system of longrange weather forecasting; in vogue before fancy satellites and pretty computer pictures came along to get it wrong. ================================ MOON'S POSITION on Sunday 21st October Declination: Over the next two days the moon is at the southern declination, with it's maximum southern point reached this evening at 6.45pm). Apsidal: Today is 6 days after perigee. Phase: Three days before 1st Q (on 24th). ================================ HIGH WINDS IN TWO DAYS? High winds in two days usually follow a northern or southern declination. These winds will become southerly. ================================== LAST WEEK'S EARTHQUAKE (From the last ezine) .. "The potential is set for a large earthquake, in or near Peru and possibly also NZ, between 15th and 18th October. The most likely time will be early morning or late evening, NZ time." The time predicted, moon set or rise time, is when most earthquakes occur. As if like clockwork, the Napier shake came on the 15th and measured 5.9 on the Richter scale, occurring at 4.49pm - close enough to moonset at Napier which was about half an hour away at 5.20pm. What about Peru? On 15th there were two earthquakes near the coast of central Chile, the next day one in the Dominican Republic, one on the Chile/Bolivia Border, one in southern Bolivia, one in southern Peru and on the 17th a big one in Argentina. TV3 made a big fuss and ran a piece that evening about the prediction 4 days beforehand. But most major newspapers who had also received press releases on the 11th, stayed silent. Today is also earthquake-likely. Southern declinations bring them on, too. ====================================== WHY DO WE HAVE A METSERVICE? October is so far fulfilling its wet promise. From last week .. "(13th- 20th) Most areas of the country could receive substantial rainfalls. ..while Northland and parts of Canterbury will receive less than half their average rainfalls most areas look likely to receive up to twice their average.." And we've certainly had rain in some quantity, mainly at night, which is what you get in a New Moon phase. Did the meteorologists pick it? For Auckland, their extended listing on the 12th on the following website http://www.weather.com/weather/local/NZXX0003 said only 16th and 19th would see showers. On the 16th, which was mostly fine, they had changed to "16th windy and the 20th showers. They missed the 18th which saw rain all day. So on the 19th we read "19th: rain, (yes!) and 21st rain.. Today was the 21st. I didn't see rain anywhere and I was on the harbour all day. Tomorrow? "Northland to Coromandel Peninsula - Occasional showers or thunderstorms becoming frequent and heavier for a time on Monday" I'm picking mainly dry daytime weather and only some overnight showers. In fact I'm picking mainly dry weather right till the end of the month for Auckland. NIWA is just as bad. They are the government's SOE and research arm. They are always so sure about global warming. Here's what they put into their 'Outlooks', with web references if you want to check them Outlook SEPTEMBER TO NOVEMBER(Report #27) Ref http://www.niwa.cri.nz/ncc/images/cu200109.pdf "Average-above average rainfalls are expected except in the EAST of the North Island where drier conditions are likely.." Next month's report on the previous month - Outlook OCTOBER (Report # 28) Ref http://www.niwa.cri.nz/ncc/month.html "New Zealand Climate in September 2001: Exceptionally dry start to spring: September rainfalls were down from normal by 50% or more over much of New Zealand. Wanganui and Levin recorded their lowest September rainfalls since records began in 1890 and 1895 respectively. Other parts of the west and south of the North Island, and the north of the South Island, received their lowest September rainfalls in 30 years. Some districts north of Auckland and in EASTERN BAY OF PLENTY had above average rainfall during September" I repeat - do we NEED a metservice? I rest my case. ======================================================== LOOKING WAY AHEAD FOR FARMERS Next week,(22nd-26th) Rainfall slightly below average. Although Canterbury and the W Coast could receive about 30% above their average and the Waikato and Bay of Plenty average falls, the rest of the country are likely to receive about half their average. Gisborne and Napier have 25% above average rain toward the end of this period while the Whakatane area receives no rain and Kawerau records a very small amount. Christchurch and Timaru also have little or no rain while the remainder of Otago and Southland look like getting well below normal. ============================================= The following week of 26th-29th Most areas will have anticyclonic weather. Fortnight of Oct 31st- November 12th Southland: fine weather Otago: Mixed weather with rain heavy at times, enough to lift river levels and delay cultivation but not flood the land. Ground conditions wet. South Canterbury: Wet weather saturates soils and delays need for irrigation. Mid Canterbury: Warm spring temps and high moisture levels prompt strong spring growth. North Canterbury: Feed situation not good. Mild weather, reasonably moist nights and only a few hot nor'wester days. West Coast: Marked improvement in weather. Marlborough: Storm. Nelson: Banks of Takaka River may break due to heavy rainfall. Wairarapa: Good pasture growth with continual rain, reasonable sunshine levels and less wind than last year. Manawhatu: A lot of rain but won't create a problem. Temps lift and growth starts. Taranaki: Continuous rain gives steady pasture growth although not too excessive. Hawkes Bay: Warm with frequent showers and rivers back high, with some flash flooding. Chance of one slight frost but soil temps above average. Bay of Plenty/Central Plateau: Heavy rainfalls may cause some farms to be flooded in Galatea and the lower reaches of the Whakatane River. King Country: Warm wet weather. Pastures would benefit from sunshine. Waikato: Widespread rains make good pasture growth. Auckland: Rainfall about 70% above normal. Northland: Regular heavy showers. MOON LINK Getting back to NIWA; one mustn't be too unkind - they have a very informative site. Did you know that over the last 20 years "Areas that have become wetter are the west coast of South Is, Nelson and Marlborough (8% wetter). Ref: http://www.niwa.cri.nz/mr/media98/sld008.htm And all this time we all thought Marlborough was getting drier. And that "Franz Josef Glacier has been growing since 1984. It is now back up to the length it was in 1959. Ref: http://www.niwa.cri.nz/mr/media98/sld012.htm So the glaciers aren't receding then? If they looked carefully at their own evidence, they'd see a lunar link to climate change over the last 20 years. Ref: http://www.niwa.cri.nz/mr/media98/sld019.htm This page explains how sea surface temps were down in 1969, 1979, 1983, 1987, 1992 and 1996. Those familiar with the moon orbit facts will know that 1968 was the 28deg year of Maximum Declination of the moon, when it has spread the atmosphere like butter over the greatest area of the earth. 1979 was the 18deg year of Minimum Declination, the other end of the cycle, or the year of the atmosphere being spread over the smallest latitude range. 1987 once again saw the 28deg year and 1996 again the18deg year. So this falls in line exactly the 18.6 year 'Nodal' Cycle of the moon. Then there's the page describing how The South Pacific Convergence Zone assumed a new eastward position just after 1978, again the 18deg moon year. Ref: http://www.niwa.cri.nz/mr/media98/sld021.htm And yet again - "it is apparent that 1977 was a key year in which significant changes in climate occurred in the Pacific Basin. An abrupt shift in the climate of North America also occurred. Global average temperatures, which showed little change from 1940 to 1977, then warmed 0.3°C by 1997." (Apart from the fact that they are lying, because 1940-1980 showed a global DECREASE in temperature which they never publicise, 1978 the reference is once again to the moon's 18deg year. Ref: http://www.niwa.cri.nz/mr/aug6_98.html ============================================== SUBMISSIONS AND GLOBAL WARMING AGAIN Minister of Energy Pete Hodgson has called for public submissions before introducing the buy-the-Greens'-vote Carbon Tax . Send them in, even though, he said on Thursday "the science of climate change is undeniable.." Clearly the government has already made up its mind. Actually the science of climate change is nonexistent, except in the mind of the dummy who first thought it up and the other dummies who have come along later to nod their heads and collect research funds. 1. CO2 is heavier than air. Most of it is at ground level. Same with CO. So it can't form any greenhouse cover because it just aint there. 2. Keeping forests as carbon sinks is a waste of time as mature trees don't absorb CO2; only growing trees do. CO2 discharges very rapidly into the marine environment. Of all the carbon in the world (49000 billion metric tonnes), fossil carbon is believed to constitute 22% in the form of rocks and fuels. The oceans hold 71%, as carbonates and bicarbonate ions. 3% is in dead organic matter and phyloplankton. Terrestrial ecosystems, of which forests are the main reservoir, hold ONLY 3% of the total carbon. The remaining 1% is held in the atmosphere and used in plant photosynthesis. Atmospheric CO2 is readily dissolved in both rainwater (2gms/litre at 10degC) and seawater. It only has to rain and CO2 is GONE from the atmosphere. 3. Methane is inflammable and burns off in lightning. Farmland is diminishing anyway, and our stock numbers dwindling due to lower meat prices and land forestation. 4. All the hype comes from the IPCC, which is not composed of scientists but of "nations" with a political agenda. They have concentrated on surface temperatures, which are unreliable because of clouds, and which totally ignore satellite data from the last 18 years showing no global temperature increases. (ref science at NASA.com) The IPCC have been accused and petitioned against by genuine scientists because to bolster their nonfactual claims they have been found to have falsified scientific reports, to show human influence in climate change where no evidence exists for it. Ref: http://www.john-daly.com/ ============================================= FISHING Best days in the coming week ..all okay except next Sunday and Monday, 28th and 29th. ========================================== TUVALU CONS THE KIWIS (17 Oct 2001) again from http://www.john-daly.com/ Tuvalu, an island nation of 10,000 people on nine low lying atolls in the South Pacific, have now conned the New Zealand government into accepting an annual quota of Tuvaluans as `environmental refugees', citing rising sea levels from climate change as their justification. In concluding the agreement, the Tuvalu government condemned Australia and the USA for not embracing the Kyoto Protocol and for not joining with New Zealand in accepting `responsibility' for Tuvalu's real or imagined fate. Since the total area of Tuvalu is only 26 square kilometres, that makes the population density of the islands nearly 400 people per sq. km. (a high density figure by world standards). The capital of Tuvalu is Funafuti, and it has had a tide gauge installed there for years, its data being checked by the National Tidal Facility in Adelaide, Australia. There is no sea level rise, merely periodic falls in sea level during El Nino events. Tuvalu has merely taken the forward predictions of the IPCC and is pretending they are happening now. The environmental media (and apparently the New Zealand government) clearly cannot tell the difference between an observed event in the present and one projected for some future time. Tuvalu has exploited that uncritical mindset to press their claim that they were already victims of sea level rise, when in fact they are not. But the reported `plight' of the Tuvaluans is not about sea level rise at all - it's about over-population. With such a high population density, the fresh water table on the atolls is subject to rapid depletion, especially in dry years. In addition, the development which would follow from such a high density will bring the inevitable coastal erosion, a problem which the Tuvalu government falsely blames on climate change and sea level rise. Tide gauge data from all around the South Pacific shows the same pattern as the one at Funafuti - no sea level rise. It is, and always was, a bogus claim, with few in the outside world bothering to check the accuracy of the claim. Radio Australia blew the whistle on the scam, reporting that the latest sea level result for June 2001 shows a sea level actually a few centimetres below what it was in March 1993 when a new high-tech tide gauge was installed. During El Nino events sea level drops about 30 centimetres. Of course, the Tuvaluans in their bid to get international refugee status may be pulling the old statisticians trick - claiming a sea level rise on the basis of a very selective time frame, say from mid-1998 to the present, a period when sea level merely recovered from the temporary low of the 1998 El Nino to the normal level of today. In spite of these easily verifiable facts, environmental journalists continue to recycle the bogus claims about sea level rise at Tuvalu, without ever checking the bona fides of the claims. If Tuvalu wants migration rights for their citizens to New Zealand and Australia, they should at least be honest about the reasons - over-population, erosion etc., instead of using this deception about a non-existent sea level rise. . ================================================ DROUGHT REPORT As I have already said, October will be wetter than September was and November and December will be wetter still, in terms of total rainfall figures. There should be more intermittent showers in November in Marlborough plus a big dump a week before Xmas which should bring soil moisture up. Enough water should fall in Marlborough before January to allay drought fears. So where will the droughts be? Although average rainfall will be down over summer, average temperatures should also be below average, which is good news. But should they not fall enough, droughts this summer will be in Otago, Poverty and Hawkes Bays and Palmerston North. Otago will face drought danger again in the summer of 2002/3, along with Canterbury. The driest month to watch out for over most areas of NZ will be next April. ======================================= ARCHIVES My friend Carl Smith in Australia has kindly put all the back issues of these ezines online at: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/ezines/ezineindex.htm (thanks Carl) I'm told another way to get them is through http://www.topica.com/lists/weather/read ======================================== CORRESPONDENCE Dear Ken Firstly I'd like to say thanks for your emails there really useful. Im writing in regards to the surf conditions over the Christmas period and were wondering what the predominant wind direction would be. The tropical cyclones that drift southwards from the tropics increase the swell and we were wondering what the chances were of these occurring. thanx for your reply Andrew G. (A lot have asked me that, Andrew, so I have put the following article on my website. On the 16th October 2001 the NZ Herald ran this piece.. "Cyclone Risk Low: New Zealand is likely to escape being hit by a tropical cyclone this summer, says the National Institute of Water and Atmosphere Research(NIWA). It believes the chances of cyclone activity between November and January are low for most of the South Pacific." Yep, NIWA again. Spare me! Looks like they're making ANOTHER prediction based on zilch.The moon is responsible for cyclones, in the US called hurricanes and in Asian countries typhoons. Cyclones develop only when the seas reach a temperature of about 28degC and this usually occurs when the sun is over a particular hemisphere and close to or past its solstice position of that tropic, which will allow sufficient time for the sun's rays to heat the sea to that critical temperature. The heating process will continue after the moon has crossed the equator and into the other hemisphere. The build-up of heat will be speeded to that level during a Full Moon phase and into the Last Quarter because that is the time for the low atmospheric tide, both from the moon being a night moon and because the moon is over the opposite hemisphere. Also, if the moon is at perigee, the atmospheric tide will be even lower because of the greater gravitation effect from the moon in that period. So what cyclones and wind systems could be coming? Studying past moon cycles, one finds that tropical cyclones will form on or about the Last Quarter moon of this December, meaning 8th - 16th, the Last Quarter moon of January which will be 10th-18th, and the Last Quarter moon of February (9th). There will be bad weather during those time windows, fed by the tropical cyclonic systems. Over the Christmas season I think we can look forward to predominant winds mostly from the southwest but with northerlies between December 13th-21st, January 6th-8th, 16th-18th, 21st-23rd and 28th-31st. The worst hit areas will be, as usual, the northern part of the North Island followed by eastern districts. Each cyclone will take a couple of days for effects to reach NZ. Resulting storm systems will be: In the North Island December 14th-20th, January 22nd-23rd, and February 12th-14th. In the South Island December 19th-21st, January 22nd-25th, and February 13th-14th. So my view is that NZ will not escape cyclone activity this summer. - K) ======================================== Weather Almanac 2002 is now available. New format, daily weather predictions two days per page including weather maps and Moon information, for every day of 2002. Individual towns listed for every day, plus inventory for each month and 5-year ahead monthly rainfall projections for all areas up to and including year 2006. 230 pages, A5 paperback size. $NZ27 + 2 postage. To order yours, please send cheque to Ken Ring, P.O.Box 60197 Titirangi, Auckland. Sorry, no credit cards. CONTACT Editor: Ken Ring, ph. 09-817-7625, fax. 09-817-2203, mobile 021 970-696 e-mail ken at weatherman.co.nz Postal: P.O.Box 60197 Titirangi, Auckland 7, New Zealand. No responsibility will be undertaken by the editor for actions or outcomes on the part of readers as a result of information printed. This e-zine is subject to international copyright laws but may be freely distributed to all interested parties; except for purposes of unauthorized commercial gain. All Rights Reserved (c) Ken Ring 2001 www.predictweather.com ~~~~~~~~~~ Carl Smith. Gold Coast. Queensland. Australia. Email: carls at qldnet.com.au Internet: http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/ Current Tropical Cyclone information : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/current.htm Tropical Cyclone Tracking Maps : http://users.qldnet.com.au/~carls/TCMaps.htm +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Hourly data archive for Victoria Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:55:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I've been a bit out of things lately, so someone may have already posted about this. The Current AWS observations for Victoria at http://www.bom.GOV.AU/products/IDV65119.shtml has sprouted clickable 72-hour archives for each station to bring them in line with NSW and SA. I notice, too, that the SA AWS obs archive has been extended from 48 to 72 hours. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: Snowing at Bombala and in East Gippsland? Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 22:51:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The AWS at Bombala has been reporting around 1mm/hour for the past 4 hours (6 to 10pm) during which time the temp has hovered between 1.4 and 2.8, so I'd imagine some of that is snow. Bombala AWS is in fact some 10km south of town and 55m higher than the Post Office at 760m. Over the border in Victoria, Combienbar and Gelantipy, at 640 and 760m respectively, are both reporting temps between 3 and 4 degrees with steady precipitation around the same intensity. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:34:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jane wrote: >>There was snow in 1966 (they skiied down the street we lived in in Yaralumla & guess who had the mumps & couldn't go out & play in it Ah, Jane, that brings back some magic memories for me. That snow event coincided with a weekend during which a mate and I caught the train down to Cooma followed by a bus to Smiggin Holes for a naughty weekend skiing and chasing snow bunnies. We didn't possess cars at that time, so the old Kosciusko Skiers Express, hauled by two 32 class steam engines from Goulburn to Cooma, seemed a more exciting alternative to a long bus trip. We ran into snow somewhere around Bungendore on the Friday night, and by Queanbeyan it was thick on the ground and falling steadily. In the steely light of dawn at Cooma, nothing in town stirred, including the bus that was supposed to connect with the train and take us on to Smiggin Holes. We warmed ourselves with mugs of tea from the Railway Refreshment Room which provided breakfast at the station until the bus slithered to a halt in the car park about an hour later. The drive through continuous snow cover to Smiggins was a thrilling affair, with the bus sliding all over the road, and barely making it over the range west of Berriedale and up the long haul to Smiggins. I doubt that today's nanny-state authorities would allow it to happen, but the driver then seemed to regard it as a personal challenge that comes rarely in a lifetime. I can't recall much of what happened at Smiggins, except that blizzard conditions forced us to stay at the bar all Saturday and Sunday, and that snow bunnies were thin on the ground. But the real magic of the weekend was the return journey on Sunday night. The skies had cleared and a full moon was shining. From Cooma to Goulburn the snow cover was continuous, and I'll never forget the extraordinary experience of watching for some 200km as silvery, snow-covered landscape slid past the carriage window, with clouds of steam from the locomotives drifting away on a light breeze. The firemen on the two locos would periodically open the firebox doors to shovel in more coal, painting the underside of the steam and smoke with a brilliant orange/yellow glare that reflected away across the sparkling snow. It's an image I'll never forget, and never see again. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.22.86.227] From: "Dave" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:18:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2001 21:19:12.0681 (UTC) FILETIME=[07D03190:01C15A76] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, I for one had a HUGE phobia of storms up until about 1997. I only found out last week that it seems to have come from very early childhood. The first time my parents left me with a babysitter was the night of a HUGE storm in Lismore, NSW. The power went out, and the babysitter had no idea where torches, candles etc. were, and couldn't find me in the dark as I was in another part of the house. I apparently screamd all night, evern after mum and dad returned, I was so traumatised. From then on whenever there was a storm I would hold onto mum or dad and make them cover my ears and eyes so I couldn't hear or sea the storm. The last time I remember being scared of a storm was December 24/25 1997 (the storm started christmas eve and continued through to the next day). A bolt of lightning hit just outside our place. I was terriefied, but after that, I could handle storms. Then I started to enjoy getting storms, now I chase storms!! So I can assure you, there is such thing as storm phobias, and that you can overcome them =) Dave Ellem Wollongbar Northen Rivers NE NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:46 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > David and others, > > When I did work experience at the BoM in Melbourne a few years back I spent > a day up in the public call in centre and they had a person who called up > numerous (like 15+) times a day totally terrified to leave her house in case > there was a thunderstorm so she'd call the BoM and ask if there was any > storms. She was truely petrified and this was on a day when there was > merely weak showers and absolutely no chance of storms what so ever. I'd > hate to see how this person would behave on a big storm day. Some people > can and will be seriously emotially scarred by such significant events (just > think how the people of Jarrell TX, Moore OK and the like would feel every > time they see a storm coming....). You shouldn't underestimate the power of > both mother nature and also the mind. > > Regards, > > Andrew McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Findlay > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > > > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Jimmy Deguara asserted this: > > > On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > > > chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names > will > > > not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear > into > > > fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > > > > I don't disbelieve the existance of storm phobia's, but I don't think > anyone > > would be so emotionally disturbed as the article portrays. > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:01:13 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2001 23:01:13.0244 (UTC) FILETIME=[47F3FDC0:01C15A84] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com



Hi All
 
I have no doubt a phobia of storms could cause the reactions the newspaper story refers to.  In fact I've no doubt they could be worse than most other phobic reactions, because with most other phobias you can remove yourself from the cause of the phobia (eg: don't climb heights or don't go near spiders) whereas with storms, it is quite difficult (sometimes impossible) to get to a place where you are not aware of all of the scary accompaniments of the storm.  So getting into a cupboard would make perfect sense to a storm phobic.
 
As to the earlier point about becoming a chaser to overcome the phobia.  One method of treating phobias is called 'flooding'.  The truamatised phobic is literally flooded with the phobic stimuli.  So if someone could be cured of their phobia this way it is not impossible they would progress/graduate to chasing storms.
 
My 2 cents worth.
 
Michael


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From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:35:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Well reading the below, I for one am feeling extremely storm-phobic and as such feel the only cure is to be dragged kicking and screaming to the US Mid-west during the full height of a tornadic outbreak and being forced to endure watching several F-4 or F-5 tornadoes, while taking numerous rolls of film and video to keep the flooding experience for repeats at a later date. Of course this cure is for medical purposes only, so Medicare will receive the bill shortly.
 
I wish!! But I do know my mum has always been extremely storm shy, using ear-plugs and running for cover if the thunder was getting too loud. This actually started my storm interests as I'd press my face to the window to watch lightning strikes just to do the opposite of her pleas. The nice son.
 
Cheers
Andrew Godsman
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From: michael king [mailto:mskikey at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 22 October 2001 9:01 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Hi All
 
I have no doubt a phobia of storms could cause the reactions the newspaper story refers to.  In fact I've no doubt they could be worse than most other phobic reactions, because with most other phobias you can remove yourself from the cause of the phobia (eg: don't climb heights or don't go near spiders) whereas with storms, it is quite difficult (sometimes impossible) to get to a place where you are not aware of all of the scary accompaniments of the storm.  So getting into a cupboard would make perfect sense to a storm phobic.
 
As to the earlier point about becoming a chaser to overcome the phobia.  One method of treating phobias is called 'flooding'.  The truamatised phobic is literally flooded with the phobic stimuli.  So if someone could be cured of their phobia this way it is not impossible they would progress/graduate to chasing storms.
 
My 2 cents worth.
 
Michael


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X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.17] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:18:44 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 00:18:44.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C71AE80:01C15A8F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy et al, I was also a junior storm-phobic. Thunderstorms scared the crap out of me as a kid, however, while still fairly leery of them, my fascination for their dynamics and beauty has generally outweighed my innate nervousness. Storm phobia is a real phenomenon and is quite serious for those thus afflicted. Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. >From: Jimmy Deguara >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56:07 +1000 > >Hi Anthony and all, > >On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of >chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will >not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into >fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > >I wonder if storm chasing is a possible way of curing these people in light >of the examples we have here. > >Jimmy Deguara _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: hdewit at mail.sa.bom.gov.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:51:36 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Hank de Wit Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hourly data archive for Victoria Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 10:55 PM 19/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >I've been a bit out of things lately, so someone may have already posted >about this. > >The Current AWS observations for Victoria at >http://www.bom.GOV.AU/products/IDV65119.shtml has sprouted clickable 72-hour >archives for each station to bring them in line with NSW and SA. I notice, >too, that the SA AWS obs archive has been extended from 48 to 72 hours. I think WA are also in the process of implementing one as well. Cheers Hank +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nathan Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Warning and advice for South Australia Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:37:54 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi,
 
There is warning and advice for South Australia:
 
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BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 11:10 am on Monday, 22 October 2001
For people in the West Coast east of Ceduna, Eastern Eyre Peninsula, Yorke
Peninsula north of Maitland and the Northwest Pastoral district.

Severe winds and large hailstones are possible with thunderstorms in these
districts this afternoon. 

If thunderstorms develop in your area, localised damage may occur. The State
Emergency Service advises that people should keep a lookout and if thunderstorms
approach, secure loose outside objects and move vehicles under cover, then stay
indoors until the storms have passed. Driving conditions may be hazardous.

These thunderstorms may affect areas further east later this afternoon.
 
and warning is:
 
IDS20202
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

PRIORITY THUNDERSQUALL WARNING
for Gulf Waters.
Thundersquall Warning continues for the West Coast.
Issued at 1055 hours on Monday, 22 October 2001

IMPORTANT INFORMATION
* Wind speed refers to the average speed over a 10-minute period. Gusts may be
up to 40 per cent stronger than the average speed.
* Wave and swell heights refer to 'significant wave heights', representing the
average of the highest one third of the waves. The likely maximum wave height
can be up to twice the significant wave height.

WARNING
Thunderstorms with squalls in excess of 40 knots are possible over the West
coast and Gulf Waters today.  Seas rising to 2 to 3 metres with the squalls. 

Although thunderstorms may still occur over the Far West Coast, squalls in
excess of 40 knots are no longer expected.
 
Although only possible thunderstorms being forecast for Adelaide. There were way too much clouds over here this morning in Adelaide. Hope the altostratus die out or better lack next time then.
 
From Nathan.
X-Originating-IP: [202.5.161.4] From: "David Sercombe" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:38:20 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 04:38:20.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[605084E0:01C15AB3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just to add to the comments about people who were scared of storms and then change to love them, I would come under that list a well. I used to be pretty scared of storms, especially at night when i couldn't see them coming. Anyhow, when i got to tha age of 13-14, my family got the internet, and my previous small interest in the weather broadened. Now, as soon as I hear a rumble of thunder outside, I race outside to see what ther is out there, and whether it is photogenic or not. Interesting to see how many people are/were like this though. David Sercombe Coffs Harbour NSW _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:06:46 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 05:06:46.0537 (UTC) FILETIME=[5936E790:01C15AB7] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I must also confess that I was terrified of storms as a young kid. If there was loud thunder at night, sometimes I used to yell out to mum or dad, or go and hide in their bed! There was also this one time when I was being naughty as usual, and mum or dad locked me outside. There was a HUGE clap of thunder, and I freaked and kicked a glass pannel in the back door with my bare feet, and smashed it! Seems really funny now! Can't get enough of them!!!!!!!!!! Liam >From: "David Sercombe" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma >Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:38:20 +0000 > >Just to add to the comments about people who were scared of storms and then >change to love them, I would come under that list a well. I used to be >pretty scared of storms, especially at night when i couldn't see them >coming. Anyhow, when i got to tha age of 13-14, my family got the internet, >and my previous small interest in the weather broadened. > >Now, as soon as I hear a rumble of thunder outside, I race outside to see >what ther is out there, and whether it is photogenic or not. > >Interesting to see how many people are/were like this though. > >David Sercombe >Coffs Harbour NSW > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:20:42 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 05:20:42.0390 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B6BF360:01C15AB9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all My most memorable storm would be when I was a kid, living in Canberra. It was late spring I think, and this massive storm came in from the west. Mum remembers the clouds being dark green in colour (a sign of things to come!) and highly lightning active. There were also warnings on the radio and TV. The storm hit, with little rain, and LOTS of hail, up to golf ball sized. The hail was hitting the windows so hard, Mum thought they were going to smash! There was 100% ground coverage, and I have the photos to prove it. Some Vic ASWA members may have seen them. After the storm moved over, we went outside. I remember an eerie feeling, and it being very still, with a fair bit of pink lightning around. The kids next door and I built a hail man!!! Mum and Dad also remember the clouds swirling around overhead (perhaps a rotating wall cloud!!!) and mum is pretty sure she remembers hearing something about a tornado later. This was about 1984-85. Not sure on that exactly. There was lots of damage due to clogged downpipes, smashed windows and broken roof tiles. Our house had hardly anything damaged, but dad was pissed off because it shredded all his veggies! Liam >From: "Laurier Williams" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms >Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:34:30 +1000 > >Jane wrote: > > >>There was snow in 1966 (they skiied down the street we lived in in >Yaralumla & guess who had the mumps & couldn't go out & play in it > >Ah, Jane, that brings back some magic memories for me. That snow event >coincided with a weekend during which a mate and I caught the train down to >Cooma followed by a bus to Smiggin Holes for a naughty weekend skiing and >chasing snow bunnies. We didn't possess cars at that time, so the old >Kosciusko Skiers Express, hauled by two 32 class steam engines from >Goulburn >to Cooma, seemed a more exciting alternative to a long bus trip. > >We ran into snow somewhere around Bungendore on the Friday night, and by >Queanbeyan it was thick on the ground and falling steadily. In the steely >light of dawn at Cooma, nothing in town stirred, including the bus that was >supposed to connect with the train and take us on to Smiggin Holes. We >warmed ourselves with mugs of tea from the Railway Refreshment Room which >provided breakfast at the station until the bus slithered to a halt in the >car park about an hour later. The drive through continuous snow cover to >Smiggins was a thrilling affair, with the bus sliding all over the road, >and >barely making it over the range west of Berriedale and up the long haul to >Smiggins. I doubt that today's nanny-state authorities would allow it to >happen, but the driver then seemed to regard it as a personal challenge >that >comes rarely in a lifetime. > >I can't recall much of what happened at Smiggins, except that blizzard >conditions forced us to stay at the bar all Saturday and Sunday, and that >snow bunnies were thin on the ground. > >But the real magic of the weekend was the return journey on Sunday night. >The skies had cleared and a full moon was shining. From Cooma to Goulburn >the snow cover was continuous, and I'll never forget the extraordinary >experience of watching for some 200km as silvery, snow-covered landscape >slid past the carriage window, with clouds of steam from the locomotives >drifting away on a light breeze. The firemen on the two locos would >periodically open the firebox doors to shovel in more coal, painting the >underside of the steam and smoke with a brilliant orange/yellow glare that >reflected away across the sparkling snow. It's an image I'll never forget, >and never see again. > >Laurier > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p393-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.139] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:49:49 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Michael, Would you like to reveal your background work practice? :) Your e-mail reminded me of it. Thanks for your input. Jimmy Deguara At 09:01 AM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All > >I have no doubt a phobia of storms could cause the reactions the newspaper >story refers to. In fact I've no doubt they could be worse than most >other phobic reactions, because with most other phobias you can remove >yourself from the cause of the phobia (eg: don't climb heights or don't go >near spiders) whereas with storms, it is quite difficult (sometimes >impossible) to get to a place where you are not aware of all of the scary >accompaniments of the storm. So getting into a cupboard would make >perfect sense to a storm phobic. > >As to the earlier point about becoming a chaser to overcome the >phobia. One method of treating phobias is called 'flooding'. The >truamatised phobic is literally flooded with the phobic stimuli. So if >someone could be cured of their phobia this way it is not impossible they >would progress/graduate to chasing storms. > >My 2 cents worth. > >Michael > > >---------- >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To >unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:08:56 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 09:01, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as michael king asserted this: >
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Hi All
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I have no doubt a phobia of storms could cause the reactions the > newspaper story refers to.  In fact I've no doubt they could be worse > than most other phobic reactions, because with most other phobias you can > remove yourself from the cause of the phobia (eg: don't climb heights or > don't go near spiders) whereas with storms, it is quite difficult > (sometimes impossible) to get to a place where you are not aware of all of > the scary accompaniments of the storm.  So getting into a cupboard > would make perfect sense to a storm phobic. If there was a tornado coming, then you would definately get into a cupboard or something, and that doesn't make you storm phobic :-P. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p393-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.135.139] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:46:56 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, I must admit this Storm Phobia discussion has been quite interesting. And the fact that various people have suggested they had phobias earlier in their lives is also interesting. I also have to confess that I would dare to stay outside during the thunderstorm and watch the lightning but because of what I read in books etc, when lightning hit a km or so or if it was around, I ran inside. Now one cannot keep me away from it. Not only that the nighttime tornado possible chase, I went sadistic..... At one stage I thought I was going to turn into forest gump and chase it on foot:)))) Anyway, interesting thread - thanks for the contributions. Jimmy Deguara At 03:06 PM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >I must also confess that I was terrified of storms as a young kid. If >there was loud thunder at night, sometimes I used to yell out to mum or >dad, or go and hide in their bed! > >There was also this one time when I was being naughty as usual, and mum or >dad locked me outside. There was a HUGE clap of thunder, and I freaked >and kicked a glass pannel in the back door with my bare feet, and smashed it! > >Seems really funny now! Can't get enough of them!!!!!!!!!! > > >Liam > > > >>From: "David Sercombe" >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma >>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:38:20 +0000 >> >>Just to add to the comments about people who were scared of storms and then >>change to love them, I would come under that list a well. I used to be >>pretty scared of storms, especially at night when i couldn't see them >>coming. Anyhow, when i got to tha age of 13-14, my family got the internet, >>and my previous small interest in the weather broadened. >> >>Now, as soon as I hear a rumble of thunder outside, I race outside to see >>what ther is out there, and whether it is photogenic or not. >> >>Interesting to see how many people are/were like this though. >> >>David Sercombe >>Coffs Harbour NSW >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >>message. >>-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Some surprising weather related phobias Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:41:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul I saw the story and thought it was not very informative. So here are some more interesting weather related phobias to cut out and keep: Aerophobia : Fear of moving air currents. Nephophobia : Fear of Clouds Hygrophobia : Fear of Damp conditions / Moisture Antlophobia : Fear of Floods Homichlophobia : Fear of Fog Cryophobia : Fear of Frost & Ice Astraphobia : Fear of Lightning & Storms Ombrophobia : Fear of Rain Chionophobia : Fear of Snow Heliophobia : Fear of the Sun Brontophobia & Keraunophobia : Fear of Thunder Anemophobia : Fear of wind (not sure if this is meteorological wind though ????) Personally its 'spiders': any 'food that is the colour purple': and 'stepping on cracks in concrete' that set me on edge. How weird is that ? Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Rands" To: "Aus Wx" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:35 PM Subject: aus-wx: Storm trauma > Hi gang > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > STEELE TALLON > 21oct01 > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. > > A State Government investigation into the "once-in-a-century" storm that hit the state's southeast in March found widespread psychological fallout among victims. But > none of the victims surveyed had sought counselling. > A boy, 12, and man, 50, drowned in flash flooding in the March storms as more than 250mm of rain in a few hours and 100km/h wind gusts lashed Brisbane and the > Gold and Sunshine Coasts. > Water levels in parts of Brisbane were higher than the 1974 floods. > "Many victims related stories of emotional debilitation and some indicated a deterioration in their level of daily functioning, which they directly attributed to the > emotional effects of the storm," the report said. > "Most are still traumatised at times of heavy cloud and forecasts of rain. Actual rainstorms make many people extremely anxious." > The report recommended more be done to help with the emotional and psychological well-being of victims. > "A focus on the 'whole situation' . . . might provide a useful starting point in the initiation of community disaster recovery," it said. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- > Paul Rands > > prands at efter-stormen.com - ICQ UIN: 1254371 > "If you eliminate all other possibilities, what remains is the answer no matter how improbable it may appear." > > All e-mail is scanned by the latest version of Norton Anti-Virus 2002. > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:31:50 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, While at work today, I got into a conversation with some one at work, they told me that he had just gotten off the phone with a friend of his that was boating on Saturday and reported several waterspouts! Unsure how many, but it was more than 1... This comes after MB witnessed several funnels - MB, did you look at that possible waterspout capture? Is it a mark, or actually a disturbance on the water? -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:42:06 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi AC, I believe it was a mark on the video lens - that just coincides nicely with where you'd expect the funnel to be touching the water ! access the 1 min video from here: http://australiasevereweather.com/video/ If you playback on a zoom capable viewer like PowerDVD you can see what I mean. regards, Michael At 07:31 PM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all, > >While at work today, I got into a conversation with some one at work, >they told me that he had just gotten off the phone with a friend of his >that was boating on Saturday and reported several waterspouts! Unsure >how many, but it was more than 1... > >This comes after MB witnessed several funnels - MB, did you look at that >possible waterspout capture? Is it a mark, or actually a disturbance on >the water? >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [198.142.93.131] From: "Shaun Whelan" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:59:15 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 09:59:17.0449 (UTC) FILETIME=[365F8B90:01C15AE0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Laurier, you should have been a poet. Wheels Nowra >>From: "Laurier Williams" >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>To: >>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms >>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:34:30 +1000 >> >>Jane wrote: >> >> >>There was snow in 1966 (they skiied down the street we lived in in >>Yaralumla & guess who had the mumps & couldn't go out & play in it >> >>Ah, Jane, that brings back some magic memories for me. That snow event >>coincided with a weekend during which a mate and I caught the train down >>to >>Cooma followed by a bus to Smiggin Holes for a naughty weekend skiing and >>chasing snow bunnies. We didn't possess cars at that time, so the old >>Kosciusko Skiers Express, hauled by two 32 class steam engines from >>Goulburn >>to Cooma, seemed a more exciting alternative to a long bus trip. >> >>We ran into snow somewhere around Bungendore on the Friday night, and by >>Queanbeyan it was thick on the ground and falling steadily. In the steely >>light of dawn at Cooma, nothing in town stirred, including the bus that >>was >>supposed to connect with the train and take us on to Smiggin Holes. We >>warmed ourselves with mugs of tea from the Railway Refreshment Room which >>provided breakfast at the station until the bus slithered to a halt in the >>car park about an hour later. The drive through continuous snow cover to >>Smiggins was a thrilling affair, with the bus sliding all over the road, >>and >>barely making it over the range west of Berriedale and up the long haul to >>Smiggins. I doubt that today's nanny-state authorities would allow it to >>happen, but the driver then seemed to regard it as a personal challenge >>that >>comes rarely in a lifetime. >> >>I can't recall much of what happened at Smiggins, except that blizzard >>conditions forced us to stay at the bar all Saturday and Sunday, and that >>snow bunnies were thin on the ground. >> >>But the real magic of the weekend was the return journey on Sunday night. >>The skies had cleared and a full moon was shining. From Cooma to Goulburn >>the snow cover was continuous, and I'll never forget the extraordinary >>experience of watching for some 200km as silvery, snow-covered landscape >>slid past the carriage window, with clouds of steam from the locomotives >>drifting away on a light breeze. The firemen on the two locos would >>periodically open the firebox doors to shovel in more coal, painting the >>underside of the steam and smoke with a brilliant orange/yellow glare that >>reflected away across the sparkling snow. It's an image I'll never forget, >>and never see again. >> >>Laurier >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >>to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Nice trough Australia. Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:20:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 10:22:23.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[704F8460:01C15AE3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. The trough running north south through central Aus to SA has certainly stepped up in activity over the past 12 hours with some nice inflow if mid level moisture mixing in, should be ok for the eastern states over the next 2 to 3 days, also noticed what seems to be a dry line running north-south through inland QLD from near the Gulf area and southward into the interior.best wishes Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:24:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 10:25:59.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[F171D610:01C15AE3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Belated congrats to MB. On one capture there appears to be at least 3 vapour vortices operating from an area of vorticity within the CJ base, there is also some evidence of base erosion in that area, interesting stuff. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Cornelius To: Australian Weather Mailing List Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday > Hi all, > > While at work today, I got into a conversation with some one at work, > they told me that he had just gotten off the phone with a friend of his > that was boating on Saturday and reported several waterspouts! Unsure > how many, but it was more than 1... > > This comes after MB witnessed several funnels - MB, did you look at that > possible waterspout capture? Is it a mark, or actually a disturbance on > the water? > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:33:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 10:35:11.0579 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A55B2B0:01C15AE5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all trauma victims. I attended a BBQ in Melbourne a few years ago, it was FEB and there had been a cold air outbreak with lots of CJ's and occasional cold air CB's. After arriving in Williamstown and near to Port Phillip bay I noticed a cone lowering under a CJ about 2 klm off shore and moving north east, after about 2 minutes this cone lowering developed into a nice funnel! I dived into my car boot to get the video I thought I had put in there.....yep you know what I found ,,,,....no camera not even a disposable. I watched the funnel drift NE for ten minutes,I rang the BOM who could have seen it from their 26th floor but yep....they had no camera either. I suffered from post no camera trauma for about 6 months and even now when I am in that location the traumatic event comes back to haunt me, I never go anywhere without a camera since then.best wishes Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:46 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > Hi all, > > I must admit this Storm Phobia discussion has been quite interesting. > > And the fact that various people have suggested they had phobias earlier in > their lives is also interesting. > > I also have to confess that I would dare to stay outside during the > thunderstorm and watch the lightning but because of what I read in books > etc, when lightning hit a km or so or if it was around, I ran inside. Now > one cannot keep me away from it. Not only that the nighttime tornado > possible chase, I went sadistic..... At one stage I thought I was going to > turn into forest gump and chase it on foot:)))) > > Anyway, interesting thread - thanks for the contributions. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 03:06 PM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi all > > > >I must also confess that I was terrified of storms as a young kid. If > >there was loud thunder at night, sometimes I used to yell out to mum or > >dad, or go and hide in their bed! > > > >There was also this one time when I was being naughty as usual, and mum or > >dad locked me outside. There was a HUGE clap of thunder, and I freaked > >and kicked a glass pannel in the back door with my bare feet, and smashed it! > > > >Seems really funny now! Can't get enough of them!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > >Liam > > > > > > > >>From: "David Sercombe" > >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > >>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:38:20 +0000 > >> > >>Just to add to the comments about people who were scared of storms and then > >>change to love them, I would come under that list a well. I used to be > >>pretty scared of storms, especially at night when i couldn't see them > >>coming. Anyhow, when i got to tha age of 13-14, my family got the internet, > >>and my previous small interest in the weather broadened. > >> > >>Now, as soon as I hear a rumble of thunder outside, I race outside to see > >>what ther is out there, and whether it is photogenic or not. > >> > >>Interesting to see how many people are/were like this though. > >> > >>David Sercombe > >>Coffs Harbour NSW > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >> > >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >>message. > >>-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >message. > >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:31:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I can relate to that also..fear of storms is no fiction..after the storm of 21st January 1991 in Sydney I lived in fear of another direct lightning hit on the house ..eventually I pulled down the tower and the wind equipment. OK..I had something up there to draw it (although it was the fact that the UHF aerial wasn't unplugged, silly me),but this storm had 9000 lightning strikes in less than an hour, winds in excess of 110 km and 60 mm of rain in 30 minutes. The fear is not negated by anything we do..fear is still fear, whatever the cause.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Cornelius" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > I doubt this is fiction at all. You'd be surprised at the number of > people who are afraid of storms, a lot of people cower in their > cupboards as soon as there's the faintest rumble of thunder. And no > doubt this would have been a traumatic experience for anyone who was > effected by it, especially since you wonder "Will it happen again?" I > know this event touched me fairly deeply when I was driving around the > damaged areas, it really made me feel sad for those who lost so much. > > AC > > David Findlay wrote: > > > > On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > > Paul Rands asserted this: > > > Hi gang > > > > > > Whilst reading Brisbane's Sunday Mail, I stumbled across this: > > > > > > Storm victims afraid of clouds > > > STEELE TALLON > > > 21oct01 > > > QUEENSLAND storm victims have been traumatised by the sight of dark clouds. > > > > Sounds like a case of a slow news day, it's a pretty good piece of fiction. > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > -- > Anthony Cornelius > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > (07) 3390 4812 > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA forecast discussion Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:31:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com i'm not sure if this is a joke but if not, there implying a warning boundary rather than inferring initiation due to it. It is common for them to use interstates to define boundaries because evryone knows them. On the other hand, we do know that highway's are a source of vorticity generation and, hence, tonado observation density coinsides with the interstates too. cheers, lyle p.s. thats at AT100 question ;> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 6:43 AM Subject: aus-wx: USA forecast discussion > Evening all, > > from a forecast discussion in the northeast of the USA.......how high is > the fence along Interstate 94????? > > DISCUSSION... > > A COLD FRONT WILL PROGRESS INTO THE STATE FROM THE WEST OVERNIGHT...AND > SWEEP EAST OF THE AREA SUNDAY MORNING. SCATTERED SHOWERS CAN BE EXPECTED > ALONG THE FRONT...WITH THUNDERSTORMS BEING RATHER ISOLATED. MOISTURE > APPEARS TO BE A BIT MEAGER FOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT. IF STORMS DO > DEVELOP THEY > WILL BE ALONG AND SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 94. > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au (Unverified) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:07:01 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Current MSL chart Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Just look at that big occlusion spinning around south of Oz, don't see that every day! In Adelaide the line of forecast storms has not arrived, but perhaps we can expect more action as the low moves by. I can see a few more trough lines in this system forming. One question about the recent MSL charts. A frontal symbol with the 'teeth' joined by crosses rather that a solid line. What exactly does this indicate? 1.A weak or decaying front? 2. A feature located only by photographic interpretation? 3. A transient feature? Cheers Phil Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:06:14 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:33, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as clyve herbert asserted this: > Hi all trauma victims. > I attended a BBQ in Melbourne a few years ago, it was FEB and there had > been a cold air outbreak with lots of CJ's and occasional cold air CB's. > After arriving in Williamstown and near to Port Phillip bay I noticed a > cone lowering under a CJ about 2 klm off shore and moving north east, after > about 2 minutes this cone lowering developed into a nice funnel! I dived > into my car boot to get the video I thought I had put in there.....yep you > know what I found ,,,,....no camera not even a disposable. I watched the > funnel drift NE for ten minutes,I rang the BOM who could have seen it from > their 26th floor but yep....they had no camera either. I suffered from post > no camera trauma for about 6 months and even now when I am in that location > the traumatic event comes back to haunt me, I never go anywhere without a > camera since then.best wishes Clyve Herbert. LOL. I've seen a couple of possible funnels, and had no camera. I've even ridden my push bike through a big dust devil(except it came from the sea on a really windy rainy day), but had no camera with me. Anyone know if those tiny little film cameras are any good? The film is that really small format, and I could put the camera for one of them easily on my keychain. Anyone know if they are useful for storms? David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:28:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, Yes, can fully understand this. I was so close to NOT taking the camera gear with me to the Brisbane ASWA meeting on Saturday so would have missed those Gold Coast funnels. But it is rare for me not to take cameras everywhere. The only disaster I've had in about 15 years of capturing the weather on film is the storm last year on 25/10/2000. Both my video camera batteries failed when this awesome structure developed: http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0010-04.htm and I thought a tornado was forming ! This is the only time I have wished that a tornado did NOT occur :-) and back to the original thread, I cannot recall ever being scared of thunderstorms, but maybe it's because I spent my younger years in Melbourne (been in NSW since 1981) and there wasn't much severe weather to be scared of . regards, Michael At 08:33 PM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all trauma victims. >I attended a BBQ in Melbourne a few years ago, it was FEB and there had been >a cold air outbreak with lots of CJ's and occasional cold air CB's. After >arriving in Williamstown and near to Port Phillip bay I noticed a cone >lowering under a CJ about 2 klm off shore and moving north east, after about >2 minutes this cone lowering developed into a nice funnel! I dived into my >car boot to get the video I thought I had put in there.....yep you know what >I found ,,,,....no camera not even a disposable. I watched the funnel drift >NE for ten minutes,I rang the BOM who could have seen it from their 26th >floor but yep....they had no camera either. I suffered from post no camera >trauma for about 6 months and even now when I am in that location the >traumatic event comes back to haunt me, I never go anywhere without a camera >since then.best wishes Clyve Herbert. =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [152.91.9.46] From: "michael king" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:15:16 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2001 23:15:16.0876 (UTC) FILETIME=[6935C4C0:01C15B4F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

Hi Jimmy et al

Time to out myself.  Was a psychologist. Now even more scary - a public servant.

My only phobia - meetings.

Cheers

Michael

>From: Jimmy Deguara
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma
>Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:49:49 +1000
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>Would you like to reveal your background work practice? :) Your
>e-mail
>reminded me of it.
>
>Thanks for your input.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 09:01 AM 22/10/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hi All
>>
>>I have no doubt a phobia of storms could cause the reactions the
>>newspaper
>>story refers to. In fact I've no doubt they could be worse than
>>most
>>other phobic reactions, because with most other phobias you can
>>remove
>>yourself from the cause of the phobia (eg: don't climb heights or
>>don't go
>>near spiders) whereas with storms, it is quite difficult (sometimes
>>impossible) to get to a place where you are not aware of all of the
>>scary
>>accompaniments of the storm. So getting into a cupboard would make
>>perfect sense to a storm phobic.
>>
>>As to the earlier point about becoming a chaser to overcome the
>>phobia. One method of treating phobias is called 'flooding'. The
>>truamatised phobic is literally flooded with the phobic stimuli.
>>So if
>>someone could be cured of their phobia this way it is not
>>impossible they
>>would progress/graduate to chasing storms.
>>
>>My 2 cents worth.
>>
>>Michael
>>
>>
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>
>-----------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
>Web Page with Michael Bath
>
>Australian Severe Weather Home Page
>http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
>President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:20:34 +1000 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: country energy tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The new country energy tracker is showing up the strikes in west NSW nicely, and with the town names on the map its pretty easy to pinpoint area's. www.countryenergy.com.au Matt Smith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p344-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.90] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:57:23 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: country energy tracker Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The time on the display is an hour ahead ! They didn't change their daylight saving dates in the program by the looks of it !! Even so, it updates very quickly and is dam good ! PC Matthew Smith wrote: > The new country energy tracker is showing up the strikes in west NSW > nicely, and with the town names on the map its pretty easy to pinpoint > area's. > www.countryenergy.com.au > > Matt Smith > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: country energy tracker Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:55:44 +1000 Organization: Hotkey X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt. Some nice action indeed, about 50km SW of Cobar.. Im not at work today, but will find out as much as possiible.. Already work are gearing up with more staff for later tonight. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: aus-wx: country energy tracker > The new country energy tracker is showing up the strikes in west NSW > nicely, and with the town names on the map its pretty easy to pinpoint > area's. > www.countryenergy.com.au > > Matt Smith > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: country energy tracker Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:28:29 +1000 Organization: Hotkey X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Peter.. Wont matter about time in a few days.. daylight saving starts on Sunday.. Its certainly has the goods, we needed a good storm to see how is works. I was told it updates every 7 mins. Will have to check that. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Creswick" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: country energy tracker > The time on the display is an hour ahead ! They didn't change their > daylight saving dates in the program by the looks of it !! Even so, it > updates very quickly and is dam good ! > PC > > Matthew Smith wrote: > > > The new country energy tracker is showing up the strikes in west NSW > > nicely, and with the town names on the map its pretty easy to pinpoint > > area's. > > www.countryenergy.com.au > > > > Matt Smith > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:21:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, What is interesting about Sat, is that the setup was not dissimilar to 11th June, when the huge spout of South Stradbroke island was captured. Coincidentally this event was analysed at Saturday's QLD ASWA meeting and it was interesting to see the comparison in conditions on MB's video. Both events featured a long North/South cloud street off the coast, marking a convergence line between inshore surface SSW and offshore SE. The Skew-T for both events features unstable atmosphere below 2000m with a cap at 2000m (rather weaker cap on Sat 20th). Both events have wind gradually shearing from SE to SW/W at 2000m assisting cyclonic rotation in updrafts. Both days featured very low CAPE (0.0 on June 11th and 13.8 on Sat 20th), and positive LI's (+13 on June 11th), highlighting the fact that all the action was in the lower atmosphere. Further it seems that the setup is not unusual and frequently occurs along the E coast during the morning of days when a high is edging into the Tasman. This should be relatively easy to predict from conditions the day before, meaning likely successful spout chase days are possible!! John. >snip Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Hi all. Belated congrats to MB. On one capture there appears to be at least 3 vapour vortices operating from an area of vorticity within the CJ base, there is also some evidence of base erosion in that area, interesting stuff. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:49:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 03:51:15.0360 (UTC) FILETIME=[F6D5EA00:01C15B75] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi tropo's and Phil. Typhoon/hurricane Podul has been a little odd since its early stages showing very little serious movement except a slow northward drift,at midday today(Aus time) it has finally developed an eye and looks very intense, still seems to be drifting slowly to the north. Poduls early twin in the southern hemisphere can still be found at the top of an upper mid level trough in the same Longitude. Podul has developed good divergence aloft, in the early stages there also seemed to be some interaction with an equatorward cold pool low to the northeast. The sub tropical jet is well to the north so Podul's is also well away from the shearing affect. It will be interesting to keep an eye on its progress,also, I noticed your area missed out on that tropical disturbance that moved into North Vietnam and Laos over the past two days. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:28:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 04:30:16.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A0F30D0:01C15B7B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. It seems that the LI's have rather limited application when applied to this type of atmospheric profile,however there have been a number of sightings of waterspouts/funnels in similar conditions along the east coast of Australia,so lets look at the operating conditions on the day, similar relative conditions have also been documented in Bass Strait and a number of photo's are available. Such tornadic/waterspouts/funnels are a significant occurrence under what could be described as rather perceived stable conditions. So it would be a good idea to apply any other atmospheric indices or develop a new one to possibly predict the risk of such developments especially in view of the number of small craft operating over these Australian waters. Another interesting factor is that it is probable these extremes of weather are not fully diurnally based but can occur at any time day or night.The conditions as pointed out in the soundings are recognisable, i.e. Low level instability coupled with low level moisture,off shore convergence lines and capping at rather low levels...you will also find rather steep lapse rates below 700hpa which increase with warmer sea surface temps, such airmasses are usually of southern origin,above the cap the air is usually very dry, (often extremely dry) but the congesting cumulus also show marked penetration of this cap and showers may also occur. The evaporating potential of the dry air layer is an important ingredient required to expel the updraft and increase low level parcel upward motion (energy converson),the convergence lines also play an important convergence zone providing intensified low level inflow and increased micro vorticity.all very interesting stuff..... 'but its the updraft strength that counts'.... regards Clyve Herbert. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodbridge To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday > Hi All, > > What is interesting about Sat, is that the setup was not dissimilar to 11th > June, when the huge spout of South Stradbroke island was captured. > Coincidentally this event was analysed at Saturday's QLD ASWA meeting and it > was interesting to see the comparison in conditions on MB's video. Both > events featured a long North/South cloud street off the coast, marking a > convergence line between inshore surface SSW and offshore SE. The Skew-T > for both events features unstable atmosphere below 2000m with a cap at 2000m > (rather weaker cap on Sat 20th). Both events have wind gradually shearing > from SE to SW/W at 2000m assisting cyclonic rotation in updrafts. Both days > featured very low CAPE (0.0 on June 11th and 13.8 on Sat 20th), and positive > LI's (+13 on June 11th), highlighting the fact that all the action was in > the lower atmosphere. > > Further it seems that the setup is not unusual and frequently occurs along > the E coast during the morning of days when a high is edging into the > Tasman. This should be relatively easy to predict from conditions the day > before, meaning likely successful spout chase days are possible!! > > John. > >snip > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Waterspouts off the QLD Coast Saturday > > > Hi all. > Belated congrats to MB. On one capture there appears to be at least 3 vapour > vortices operating from an area of vorticity within the CJ base, there is > also some evidence of base erosion in that area, interesting stuff. regards > Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: country energy tracker Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:14:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 05:17:49.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EDF5D00:01C15B82] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Once Again WZ tracker shows a very distinc line of lightning in western NSW, how ever CE is showing 10 to 20 strikes in the same areas but they are over 120 minutes old???? Simon Angell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:20 AM Subject: aus-wx: country energy tracker > The new country energy tracker is showing up the strikes in west NSW > nicely, and with the town names on the map its pretty easy to pinpoint > area's. > www.countryenergy.com.au > > Matt Smith > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Subject: aus-wx: New image Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:55:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough? -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:06:31 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago. Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mirtschin Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com Subject: aus-wx: New image http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough? -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:24:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago. I must say I'm impressed... Any more that are/will be uploaded? Although if you keep it up, it will make my page of images obsolete. www.nothingdesign.com.au/weather.html -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Designer - Writer paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:23:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve Podul looks very impressive on latest sat pics. Does anyone know if the term 'super' typhoon is used anymore ? Seems as though it is not used now. That twin is persistent - still suffering from disorganisation and sheering - but may break free. Doubtful though. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. > Hi tropo's and Phil. > Typhoon/hurricane Podul has been a little odd since its early stages showing > very little serious movement except a slow northward drift,at midday > today(Aus time) it has finally developed an eye and looks very intense, > still seems to be drifting slowly to the north. Poduls early twin in the > southern hemisphere can still be found at the top of an upper mid level > trough in the same Longitude. Podul has developed good divergence aloft, in > the early stages there also seemed to be some interaction with an > equatorward cold pool low to the northeast. The sub tropical jet is well to > the north so Podul's is also well away from the shearing affect. It will be > interesting to keep an eye on its progress,also, I noticed your area missed > out on that tropical disturbance that moved into North Vietnam and Laos over > the past two days. regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:49:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com New stuff. Wasn't like that a few hours ago. I like it!! Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: aus-wx: New image > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg > > Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... > > Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough? > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:01:40 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes the term "super typhoon" is very much still in use by the JTWC. However super typhoons are not all that common. I just went to look up a page which lists them all and it is not on-line right now so I can't give you the exact details of how a super typhoon is defined. I'll get back on this one later. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Clarke" To: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:23:52 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. > Clyve > > Podul looks very impressive on latest sat pics. > > Does anyone know if the term 'super' typhoon is used anymore ? > > Seems as though it is not used now. > > That twin is persistent - still suffering from disorganisation and > sheering - but may break free. Doubtful though. > > > Regards > Simon +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 23 Oct 01 20:19:02 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Liam! 22 Oct 01 15:06, you wrote to All: LD> I must also confess that I was terrified of storms as a young kid. If LD> there was loud thunder at night, sometimes I used to yell out to mum LD> or dad, or go and hide in their bed! Join the club! :-) Now, I like a good storm. :) Tony, VK3JED .. A seminar on Time Travel will be held 2 weeks ago -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:44:26 +1000 Organization: Hotkey X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Mark.. What gave you the idea to upgrade the image, was it from Country Energy's new lightning tracker, or had Weather Company been in process of this for sometime. Just interested. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hardy" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image > No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago. > > Mark Hardy > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. > http://www.theweather.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Mirtschin > Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com > Subject: aus-wx: New image > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg > > Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... > > Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough? > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:19:57 +1000 (AEST) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon, Yes, the term super typhoon is still used. The threshold is 1 minute maximum sustained winds of 130 knots. Cheers, Jonty. On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Simon Clarke wrote: > Clyve > > Podul looks very impressive on latest sat pics. > > Does anyone know if the term 'super' typhoon is used anymore ? > > Seems as though it is not used now. > > That twin is persistent - still suffering from disorganisation and > sheering - but may break free. Doubtful though. > > > Regards > Simon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:49 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. NH. > > > > Hi tropo's and Phil. > > Typhoon/hurricane Podul has been a little odd since its early stages > showing > > very little serious movement except a slow northward drift,at midday > > today(Aus time) it has finally developed an eye and looks very intense, > > still seems to be drifting slowly to the north. Poduls early twin in the > > southern hemisphere can still be found at the top of an upper mid level > > trough in the same Longitude. Podul has developed good divergence aloft, > in > > the early stages there also seemed to be some interaction with an > > equatorward cold pool low to the northeast. The sub tropical jet is well > to > > the north so Podul's is also well away from the shearing affect. It will > be > > interesting to keep an eye on its progress,also, I noticed your area > missed > > out on that tropical disturbance that moved into North Vietnam and Laos > over > > the past two days. regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p458-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.204] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:59:21 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: From thoughts of storm chasing to storm dodging ! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com [Fwd: Solo across australia] Path: news.tig.com.au!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!nntp.cifnet.net!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newsfeed.iinet.net.au!news.iinet.net.au!not-for-mail From: tailwind at eyeeyenetblotnetblotau.useless.decoys (Stealth Pilot) Newsgroups: aus.aviation Subject: Solo across australia Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 13:41:07 GMT Message-ID: <3bd559f0.2303780 at news.iinet.net.au> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: i194-077.nv.iinet.net.au X-Trace: news.iinet.net.au 1003844661 371 203.59.194.77 Xref: news.tig.com.au aus.aviation:76185 MIME-Version: 1.0 I landed at 4:30 local time after crossing australia. I knew that it was a fatiguing flight, departing Penong just after first light and flying via Forrest, Kalgoorlie and on to Perth. 15 knot (or so it seemed) headwinds all the way. one or two legs were over 4 hours. I am still pinching my self at what the total is saying. 11 hours 54 minutes of tacho time flown today. I may write this up more fully later but here goes for a draft. Departed Thursday at crack of Dawn and flew with slight tailwinds to Kalgoorlie, refuelled, then on to Forrest, refuelled, then trecked out across to Ceduna to overnight in one of the motels there. 8 hrs 30 mins of flying. Friday, pretty damn early I set off and flew at low level under cloud to Port Pirie. I remember encountering Iron Knob and having to climb like hell to get up over it. Walls of Cloud, mist and rain forced me to skirt Whyalla to the south and track out over the water for something like 40 nautical to reach Port Pirie, refuelled, then across the desert to Swan Hill at 500ft under a cover of cloud at 750-1000ft. Just near loxton I recall peering ahead into the gloom and seeing a tower reaching up above me into the cloud. It turns out to be 721ft high. Across Sunset County I was down on the deck and visual out the window, receiving quite a hammering from the turbulence. From Ouyen in it cleared and was actually quite plesant flying into Swan Hill , refuelled, then on to Albury under a 1500ft cloud cover. 6 hrs 25 mins flying time. spent a day talking to the oldies. Sunday early I set off in crystal clear skys for Temora and the combined NSW SAAA Chapters flyin and the SAAA AGM. Was duely relected as National Secretary. Took one of the other National Councillors out for a fly in the Tailwind as a prelude to his first flight in his near completed Dragonfly. He'll have no problems in test flying his new machine. I had intended overnighting at Temora and setting off back to Perth at crack of dawn but I discovered that everyone was flying home that afternoon so I decided to head back to Albury to see the oldies for one last night. 1 hr 25 mins flying time. (this has certainly fixed mum for the teary farewells. I always seem to be back the next night :-) so now they are just a "ok see you mate") Parked the aeroplane out in the open that night so that I didnt wake my friend with the hangar too early. Managed a 3am wakeup on monday and was out with the aircraft prepped and waiting for departure 15 mins after crack of dawn. Headed out into crystal clear sky for the leg to Swan Hill, refuelled and set off to do business with the fronts sweeping in across South Australia. By this time the wind was 15 knots, at times bang on the nose. About Loxton I encountered a general wall of rain with some breaks. heading toward the breaks showed that the rain was moving back in the direction of Adelaide at about half my speed so I turned around and flew back to Renmark to sit for a while and wait. Half an hour later the horizon looked more promising so I took off only to find ahead of me a wall of rain extending from the Murray River area south to the Coast. I found amazingly a corridor through the rain on the direct track to Port Pirie so I took it. Down to 1000ft to fly under the fingers of cloud and out over the deserts north of Wakerie. 15 knots on the nose and quite turbulent. The flight time on this leg was up from 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours with the turbulence over the ranges near Burra requiring a throttle back to increase the strength margins. The rolling turbulence near Crystal Brook is common I'm told but was the stuff of full aileron recoverys. An absolute roller coater ride with the seat belts really snugged down. This turbulence continued in a gradually abating manner all the way to Port Pirie. After battling through the circuit I managed to put the wheels down so gradually that I couldnt feel whether they were on the gravel. I used up half the runway in a tail low wheeler not game to change focus in case they werent on the deck. Over Whyalla at this point was a dark black wall that must have extended up to 35,000ft. I managed to get the loan of a corner of the huge hangar and left the aircraft to have a walk around Port Pirie. The Pub put on a wonderful counter lunch which I washed down with a few squashes. Crossing one of the Port Pirie streets while having a walk I noticed that the sky to the west was high stratus. a call to the airservices met guys showed that it was indeed improving. I walked the hour and a half back to the airport watching it improve all the while. Looking at the weather there was akin to looking out at Canberra and deciding on weather in Sydney so another call for met info was made. It looked flyable. The aircraft was dragged from the hangar, prepped and we were off to discover that Whyalla and the areas north were still under the dense black cloud. I think I tracked half an hour out across the water to cross the coast south of Whyalla. the iron knob area was covered by a huge thunderstorm. Watching active lightning in the storm was just a trifle unnerving so the track was made well to the south of it. The GPS here was absolutely vital as cloud obscured most useful navigation marks. I think I skirted it by tracking well to the south of Kimba. Around Wudinna there was miles of low cloud and rain but I managed to find gaps and press on. About 100 miles out from Ceduna I noticed a really thick cloud formation forming over the ocean and seeping inland. it seemed to extend from 3 ~ 400ft to miles up. That last 100 was a race against the cloud making note of fall back positions where I could still land and sit it out iff I lost the race. After skirting clouds for quite some distance off track I managed it into Ceduna and was amazed to see that to the west was clear. after a lightning fast refuel I rang Nullabor for an out the window look. it proved to be sunny with about 7 knots from the north. I'd have to do the flight time calc airborne and if they saw me I'd overnight if not, well sorry. Airborne the GPS gave me the bad news, headwinds meant getting there half an hour after last light. Well Penong would have to do. 5 hours 18 mins flying for the day. after landing at Penong I met a local pilot and received an invite for the night. I accepted and took them out for tea in return. After a very nice night's sleep I managed a start just an hour after first light. I tracked around lots of clouds to the west of Penong and finally encountered heavy cloud near the top of the bight. I think I spent most of the next hour around 600ft skirting through gaps in the rain showers. Eventually I passed to the north of Nullabor with the Station just visible through the gloom. I think eventually I skirted rain for some 200 miles to get through into a layer of low lumpy cloud that extended right through to Forrest. With the headwind that leg extended out to nearly 4 1/2 hours. A lightning fast refuel was made by Max at Forrest. It was then off to Kalgoorlie at low level and bugger the headwind. Another quick refuel at Kalgoorlie and off into another headwind. The clouds were higher after Kalgoorlie but the headwind remained. Out over Marvel Lock, Quairading, Beverley and finally the ranges and Perth's tiger country came into view. The final landing was a bit average due to fatigue but the aircraft is locked away in the hangar in one piece. 33 1/2 hours to fly solo across Australia and back, with just 6 minutes shy of 12 hours done today. I think I'm off to crash for the night. It is back to the day job tommorrow ....but wearing a Forrest Airport "Travelling Across Australia" cap just for the memories :-) regards all Stealth Pilot (oh btw, after the disasters of the last across australia flight I didnt have to put a spanner to anything on the aircraft this time. just one little panel screw worked loose during the entire flight.) From: "Bussie" To: "weather list" Subject: aus-wx: October? Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 06:42:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It is late October isn't it? Thick fog here this morning. 39mm of very welcome rain fell starting from yesterday about lunch time until early this morning. At 12.20 this morning 7mm fell in only 3 minutes. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Two lows. Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:44:04 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2001 22:45:25.0794 (UTC) FILETIME=[680E1820:01C15C14] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Nice looking complex low south west of Mt Gambier at 0400,after the rain band crossed Vic last night left us in a 'returning' airmass of southern origin which is conditionally unstable although lacking 'proper' moisture, never the less as the trough over eastern SA moves in today there is some marginal possibility of the odd storm popping up, a bit of a wish forecast, but you never know your luck in a big country. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: V Good rain in eastern Vic/One for the models/forecasters.. Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:41:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Title says it all. Being one who often bags the forecasters/models when they get things wrong, yesterdays event was very well forecasted. The predictions of heavy falls in the NE of Vic in particular came off very well with upto 77mm reported at Mt Hotham, and widespread 25 to 50mm falls covering most of Northern Victoria and southern NSW east of Bendigo (http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/vic/). Many rivers in this region are now near or at flood levels (eg http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDV36050.txt). With further showers and thunderstorms in coming days, and another rain event looking likely for late on the weekend, things could get a bit interesting. This is the second October in a row which has seen good rains for Victoria, once again going towards relieving rainfall deficiencies/"drought conditions associated with poor winter rains. Closer to home, a further 27mm to report from Melbourne's eastern suburbs last night (Ferny Creek) bring us to just short of 170mm for the month. Also a stand-out for the month is how the Melbourne CBD rain repellent is working as good as ever.. the city gauge recorded just 3mm, and sits on ~53mm for the month (well below normal), while sites in the suburbs east and west are above/well above average. Happy WX watching, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:10:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 02:08:05.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[B81516E0:01C15C30] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanks Michael I'll check it out. Take care, Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 7:00 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms Hi Tanya http://ozthunder.com Regards Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" To: Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 22:36 Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > which is your website Michael? > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > Thompson > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 9:13 PM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > I have had plenty of storm experience if you look at my website > > ( at base of message ). > > I never really was impressed by Volcanoes until last week on TV. These guys > were so close that the rock bombs were crashing all round, on the roof of > their shelter , etc. In a way for the first time I thought that it was > similar to storm chasing. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TJ" > To: > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 16:14 > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > Hi Michael, > > I totally understand wanting to pass on the fire, but it was just amazing > to > > see mother nature at her best, so many things go thru your head when your > in > > the midst of it, but I have to admit that it gets the adrenalin going & > > that's what I love about it all, I'd even love to go into or as close as I > > could to a volcano one day, I think that would be an experience & a half. > > Hope you too one day will get to experience some amazing storms. > > > > Tanya > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > Thompson > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 7:09 PM > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > Hi Tanya, > > > > Those are some memorable experiences. I would live to have seen the storms > > you mention, but I'll pass on the fire. > > > > Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "TJ" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 15:22 > > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > hi all, > > > I usually just lurk in the background & keep up to date with what's > going > > as > > > I don't really know much about the technical aspects of weather, but I > > find > > > it fascinating. Storms I find the most fascinating! > > > Anyway I thought I would share my experience of the 1979 firestorm in > > Terrey > > > Hills (NSW), as it was an extremely memorable experience. I was staying > > with > > > my cousin for the holidays on their acreage where they had a wholesale > > > nursery, we could see the fire in the distance at Duffys Forest & it > > looked > > > pretty intense & it was raging in the opposite direction, next thing all > > the > > > horses had bolted & the chooks were going bezerk & we noticed that the > > fire > > > was coming right at us & it was travelling fast. My uncle wanted to stay > > so > > > he could protect the business & the house. A fire truck come to the > house > > & > > > advised us to get out now as all the phones are down & we won't be able > to > > > call for help. So we stayed, we watched it race up the valley towards us > & > > > surround the house, fireballs were jumping the road, you could hear the > > > trees cracking & exploding, we had nowhere to go & at the time where > > unaware > > > that nobody could get to us either. It was the most frightening day I > have > > > lived thru & also the most amazing thing to see happen. > > > We also had cyclone up there, just a freak one that left trampoline 20ft > > up > > > trees & ripped out 2 enormous palm trees, I think the winds were 200km & > > > hailstones the size of softballs & smashed the entire glasshouses from > the > > > nursery into small shards like sharp blades. The wind bent the trees > like > > > they were twigs ripped off parts of houses, it was amazing but the > sounds > > > are quite frightening. I became even more fascinated with storms & > > volcanoes > > > etc after going thru this. > > > Also one Christmas as we were sitting on the front balcony of the > > neighbours > > > house, a storm hit, & next thing a bolt of lightning struck the road & > it > > > sounded like the loudest horse whip cracking, it was deafening & left my > > > heart pounding. > > > So they are a few of the great moments that I have been lucky enough to > be > > > so close to nature & marvel at her power & I am hoping that there will > be > > > more to come! Oh I also saw that freakish cloud band that looked like a > > huge > > > barrel in the sky for as far as the eye could see, I think that was in > > > November last year? I was in scone nsw, I've never seen a cloud like it > my > > > life. I have also gone thru 2 floods which were really exciting also. So > > > these are my memorable moments, look forward to reading everyone else's. > > > Take care & thanks for keeping me up to date. > > > Tanya > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:50 PM > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Memorable Storms > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 12:17, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief > as > > > Andrew asserted this: > > > > The list has been a bit quiet of late so I thought I'd start a bit of > an > > > > interesting topic and ask people to list their most memorable storm > > > > experience - just one. There must be some awesome stories out there > > > > amongst the 250 or so people that reside on this list. It doesn't > > > > necessarily have to be a thunderstorm. It can be a cyclone, dust > storm, > > > > firestorm, blizzard, whatever. Given that many of us are hanging out > > for > > > a > > > > decent storm I'm sure there is a lot of people on the list that will > > enjoy > > > > this topic. > > > > > > The most awesome storm I've seen is the one that had the massive curved > > > shelf > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > I think it would have been up to ten kilometers long, and around 1500ft > > > high. > > > That's just a rough guess. I think Ben Quinn saw it too so he may > confirm > > or > > > > > > deny this. It was absolutely massive and very impressive, although there > > > wasn't much else to the storm. > > > > > > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: volcanos Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:36:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 02:33:56.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[54179150:01C15C34] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey David, I apologise for not replying sooner but I had to go away for a couple of days! I'm not exactly sure of the location, but I will find out, as I know where it is I just can't remember the name of the place. Take care, Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay Sent: Friday, 19 October 2001 2:48 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: volcanos On Friday 19 October 2001 14:33, you wrote: > Hi all, > also an island popped up not long ago off the coast of QLD sometime last > year (?), from a volcanic eruption. Do you know the location? The only ones I've heard of recently was south east of Haymay in the north sea. I'd be interested in knowing some more about that..... sound pretty cool! David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail1.dat" From: "TJ" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:28:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 02:26:40.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[5062E330:01C15C33] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I used to be petrified of storms when I was young, but then when I grew up a little I made myself sit at my window & watch the lightning & thunder & now I love storms. Tanya -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tony Langdon Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 8:19 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Hello Liam! 22 Oct 01 15:06, you wrote to All: LD> I must also confess that I was terrified of storms as a young kid. If LD> there was loud thunder at night, sometimes I used to yell out to mum LD> or dad, or go and hide in their bed! Join the club! :-) Now, I like a good storm. :) Tony, VK3JED .. A seminar on Time Travel will be held 2 weeks ago -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail2.dat" X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:49:39 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, A lot of you would have seen my video footage of the incredible high precipitation supercell which slammed into Casino in NE NSW on 17th January this year. I have finally got my act together with using the video capture card and prepared seven movie clips. If you only have a dial up connection, I'd suggest clip 4 and 7 are the most worthwhile, especially if you haven't seen such a base structure or large hail before. Please visit this page: http://australiasevereweather.com/video/ to find the seven links to wmv files. There is also a page of stills to highlight parts of the movies: http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/20010117.htm regards, Michael =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Weather List Aussie" Subject: aus-wx: Hello Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:04:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello again people, I have finally subscribed back again to the weather list. I am now located at Krambach, near Taree on the Mid North Coast of NSW. Any observations from here can be found on my page at www.linx.iwarp.com and don't worry, the site is clean. It is extremely dry here and the last drop of rain we had was a few days ago at 1.75mm. The most rain we have had in around the last month is about 6mm. There appears to be some water in the cloudcover today so with a bit of luck something will fall. We have been running sprinklers 24/7 to try and keep the gardens alive and the creek is just about dried up by everyone else doing the same. The ground is that hard that one cannot even drive the spikes for the sprinklers in properly. Any, heres to the upcoming front. Cheers. ----------------------------------- Glen O'Riley www.linx.iwarp.com Storm Chaser ACREM Member NSW State Emergency Services Member NSW Rural Fire Service Member Computer Technician Rail/Computer/Electronic Enthusiest ------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:11:52 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com David, There is not that much similarity between our images and Country Energy one's are there? The only one I can see at a glance is that they are both on a 2D topographic background, but a lot of weather images are like that. Since we launched the 3D lightning tracker images a year ago we have had loads of feedback. Two requests that kept coming at us: 1 Put the image in 2D, they are much easier to analyse. 2 Put town names on the map, so we can see where it's happening. To answer your question YES, we have been working on these images for some time - a few months on and off. Our clients have had access to this for about a year. This is part of the broader project to get all our weather imagery on the same projection so that we can more easily combine various data types. The fruits of this are obvious now with the addition of composite radar to the lightning images. I know not exactly ground-breaking innovation but I have not seen similar images elsewhere. We are also working on new satellite images that will be on the same backgrounds allowing radar and satellite to be readily comparable. Of course we are always listening to feedback to provide better stuff for weather freaks (like us). Of course these images would not be possible without the fantastic services provided by the Bureau of Meteorology and Kattron Lightning Detection. Thanks for your interest. Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of David Carroll Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 9:44 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image Mark.. What gave you the idea to upgrade the image, was it from Country Energy's new lightning tracker, or had Weather Company been in process of this for sometime. Just interested. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hardy" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image > No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago. > > Mark Hardy > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. > http://www.theweather.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Mirtschin > Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com > Subject: aus-wx: New image > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg > > Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... > > Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often > enough? > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Designer - Writer > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:13:31 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Some very good footage there. Good to hear fair dinkum Aussie voices after being so long away too! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: Michael Bath To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 12:49:39 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos > Hi all, > > A lot of you would have seen my video footage of the incredible high > precipitation supercell which slammed into Casino in NE NSW on 17th > January > this year. > > I have finally got my act together with using the video capture card > and > prepared seven movie clips. If you only have a dial up connection, I'd > suggest clip 4 and 7 are the most worthwhile, especially if you haven't > seen such a base structure or large hail before. > > Please visit this page: > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/ > to find the seven links to wmv files. > > There is also a page of stills to highlight parts of the movies: > http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/20010117.htm > > regards, Michael > > > =============================================================== > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ > North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ > Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > =============================================================== > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:05:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 13:06:42.0655 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9DD4EF0:01C15C8C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Greeting Phil. I would have to say the appearance of Podul in the central Pacific is looking magnificent, with an almost perfect eye and the outflow looks stunning, still not going anywhere fast.....how would you be stuck on an atoll with that spinning around you for 5 days. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:57:18 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Wind Effect Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, An interesting large-scale wind effect this morning - in the strong northerly flow over NSW the winds on the coast and west of the ranges are strong NElys, but on the ranges themselves are more light and variable. This is illustrated in the plot at http://members.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/wind.gif Can anyone offer an explanation for this? Andrew. -- Real Programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand and harder to modify. WxProfiler: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Laurier Williams" To: Subject: Delayed messages (was RE: aus-wx: Snowing at Bombala and in East Gippsland?) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:57:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I posted this and two other messages around 10pm Friday; they finally came through the system back to me at 7am today Monday. !!!! Laurier > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier > Williams > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:51 > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com > Subject: aus-wx: Snowing at Bombala and in East Gippsland? > > > The AWS at Bombala has been reporting around 1mm/hour for the past 4 hours > (6 to 10pm) during which time the temp has hovered between 1.4 and 2.8, so > I'd imagine some of that is snow. Bombala AWS is in fact some > 10km south of > town and 55m higher than the Post Office at 760m. > > Over the border in Victoria, Combienbar and Gelantipy, at 640 and 760m > respectively, are both reporting temps between 3 and 4 degrees with steady > precipitation around the same intensity. > > Laurier > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:37:25 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's great to see that so many people who have experienced this problem are on this list because I think developing an understanding of what one fears is the best cure for a phobia. It's the same with flying. Alot of people might be less afraid to fly if only they had a basic understanding of why it is that a wing generates lift if it has air moving over it...etc. Andrew. Kevin Phyland wrote: > > Hi Jimmy et al, > > I was also a junior storm-phobic. Thunderstorms scared the crap out of me as > a kid, however, while still fairly leery of them, my fascination for their > dynamics and beauty has generally outweighed my innate nervousness. > > Storm phobia is a real phenomenon and is quite serious for those thus > afflicted. > > Cheers, > Kevin from Wycheproof. > > >From: Jimmy Deguara > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:56:07 +1000 > > > >Hi Anthony and all, > > > >On top of that Anthony, nothing against them, but there are a couple of > >chasers who also had fobias of storms at a younger age. (Their names will > >not be mentioned.) I suppose they have found a way to turn their fear into > >fascination of storms. So don't doubt it at all. > > > >I wonder if storm chasing is a possible way of curing these people in light > >of the examples we have here. > > > >Jimmy Deguara > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Real Programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand and harder to modify. WxProfiler: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/WxProfiler Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:00:13 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yikes! I'd have been s***ing myself! ;) Amazing footage! Phil >Hi all, > >A lot of you would have seen my video footage of the incredible high >precipitation supercell which slammed into Casino in NE NSW on 17th January >this year. > >I have finally got my act together with using the video capture card and >prepared seven movie clips. If you only have a dial up connection, I'd >suggest clip 4 and 7 are the most worthwhile, especially if you haven't >seen such a base structure or large hail before. > >Please visit this page: >http://australiasevereweather.com/video/ >to find the seven links to wmv files. > >There is also a page of stills to highlight parts of the movies: >http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/20010117.htm > >regards, Michael > > > =============================================================== > Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au > McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ > North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ > Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > =============================================================== > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." Noel Coward +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:03:16 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boskell Subject: aus-wx: Cb cells building NW Tas. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day All, Nice Cb's growing over the NW Coast this morning producing some heavy showers. Forecast is for thundery showers so it will be interesting to see if this low can produce the goods. Regards, Andrew. ===== Andrew Boskell "Some people are weather wise, others are otherwise!" ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.4] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victoria looking better. Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:50:27 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 23:50:27.0605 (UTC) FILETIME=[A820F450:01C15CE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I have a wish forecast for central coast NSW, severe thunderstorms possible this afternoon, Sydney to get some early action also, with cumulus growing steadily now to the west, any other thoughts? >From: "clyve herbert" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: aus-wx: Victoria looking better. >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 09:11:22 +1000 > >Hi all. >Victoria is looking better today with increased instability, surface >moisture is higher and its colder than yesterday above 700hpa to 400hpa, >also the low pressure system seems to be drifting east rather than south. >With a bit of heating things may become a little interesting later today as >a trough associated with the low moves across the state, any wish forecasts >out there. regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:51:17 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes Clyve, it's had "Super Typhoon" strength (1-minute wind speed of 130 knots plus) for a couple of days now and looks set for another day or two yet. It's a good job it's not approaching anywhere inhabited for a while. As far as the concept of being on an atoll under it, I reckon one would have been blown away by now. If one had a good solid building there that had been built according to our standards here, it would be a very exciting place to be. What about surfing onto the beach using those 30- foot waves though! Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:05:19 +1000 Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff. > Greeting Phil. > I would have to say the appearance of Podul in the central Pacific is > looking magnificent, with an almost perfect eye and the outflow looks > stunning, still not going anywhere fast.....how would you be stuck on > an > atoll with that spinning around you for 5 days. regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.4] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: Delayed messages (was RE: aus-wx: Snowing at Bombala and in East Gippsland?) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 23:46:40 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2001 23:46:40.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[20C6FDB0:01C15CE6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just to provide some delayed feedback to some delayed messages... I have been told by some bushwalking friends that snow was encountered by them whilst descending Brown Mtn (between Nimmatabel and Bega)at around 7pm last Friday. The snow was falling quite heavily and there appeared to be several centimeters visibly settled on the side of the road (hard to be more specific as it was dark at the time). Patrick > >I posted this and two other messages around 10pm Friday; they finally came >through the system back to me at 7am today Monday. > >!!!! > >Laurier > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier > > Williams > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 10:51 > > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com > > Subject: aus-wx: Snowing at Bombala and in East Gippsland? > > > > > > The AWS at Bombala has been reporting around 1mm/hour for the past 4 >hours > > (6 to 10pm) during which time the temp has hovered between 1.4 and 2.8, >so > > I'd imagine some of that is snow. Bombala AWS is in fact some > > 10km south of > > town and 55m higher than the Post Office at 760m. > > > > Over the border in Victoria, Combienbar and Gelantipy, at 640 and 760m > > respectively, are both reporting temps between 3 and 4 degrees with >steady > > precipitation around the same intensity. > > > > Laurier > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victoria looking better. Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:51:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Spot on mate. Few bolts and thunder about 1.30 with a heavy shower and some very small hail. Another an hour earlier just to the north of here. 2.4mm in a few minutes and it was all over. Heading SE towards the ranges. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 9:11 AM Subject: aus-wx: Victoria looking better. > Hi all. > Victoria is looking better today with increased instability, surface > moisture is higher and its colder than yesterday above 700hpa to 400hpa, > also the low pressure system seems to be drifting east rather than south. > With a bit of heating things may become a little interesting later today as > a trough associated with the low moves across the state, any wish forecasts > out there. regards Clyve Herbert. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p320-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.66] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:20:16 +1000 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather Subject: aus-wx: Sydney 2:15pm Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A few spits at Clemton park. Clouded up from 1 to 5 octa in 30 mins - but cloud base is high +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Sydney 2:15pm Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:48:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com RE: aus-wx: Sydney 2:15pm

Peter,

It had darkened right up down here, as per my earlier email. Looking outside at 14:45 though there is a decent shower to my north which we are just copping the edge of. Large drops and as before, the wind is quite cool, that feeling it has from the outflow behind a thunderstorm that breaks the heat of a day. Behind us now though it is much more patchy cloud cover and looking warmer again.

Andrew G

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Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 2:20 PM
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney 2:15pm


A few spits at Clemton park.  Clouded up from 1 to 5 octa in 30 mins -
but cloud base is high

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From: simon at fearby.com To: Subject: aus-wx: Storm's appearing in the North West Slopes and Plaines, NSW X-Originating-Ip: [153.107.47.12] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.4 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:01:16 -0700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The BOM radar images (http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR532.shtml) of Northern NSW are showing recent developments of rain/storm like falls. The North Power Storm Tracker (http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html) is showing no lightning in NSW at the moment? Can anyone veryfy storms in Northern NSW? I am in Tamworth and the rain/storms are coming this way, I guess I will find out in an hour or so. Simon Fearby simon at fearby.com Tamworth, NSW http://www.fearby.com http://www.fearby.com/weather/ ___________________________________ NOCC, http://nocc.sourceforge.net +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Rosalina Champion" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong wind gusts in Brisbane Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:07:09 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, Can anyone tell me what that huge arc of cloud is to the North East of Northern Qld? It looks spectacular to me and we are experiences some random wind gusts in Brisbane. Regards, Rosalina +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:43:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com General rule is the smaller the film the lower resolution the photo. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Findlay" To: Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 8:06 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm trauma > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:33, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as > clyve herbert asserted this: > > Hi all trauma victims. > > I attended a BBQ in Melbourne a few years ago, it was FEB and there had > > been a cold air outbreak with lots of CJ's and occasional cold air CB's. > > After arriving in Williamstown and near to Port Phillip bay I noticed a > > cone lowering under a CJ about 2 klm off shore and moving north east, after > > about 2 minutes this cone lowering developed into a nice funnel! I dived > > into my car boot to get the video I thought I had put in there.....yep you > > know what I found ,,,,....no camera not even a disposable. I watched the > > funnel drift NE for ten minutes,I rang the BOM who could have seen it from > > their 26th floor but yep....they had no camera either. I suffered from post > > no camera trauma for about 6 months and even now when I am in that location > > the traumatic event comes back to haunt me, I never go anywhere without a > > camera since then.best wishes Clyve Herbert. > > LOL. I've seen a couple of possible funnels, and had no camera. I've even > ridden my push bike through a big dust devil(except it came from the sea on a > really windy rainy day), but had no camera with me. > > Anyone know if those tiny little film cameras are any good? The film is that > really small format, and I could put the camera for one of them easily on my > keychain. 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The same broken teeth without the crosses indicates frontogenesis or a front in an indeterminate phase. Laurier > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Phil Bagust > Sent: Tuesday, 23 October, 2001 7:37 AM > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Current MSL chart > > > Hi all > > Just look at that big occlusion spinning around south of Oz, > don't see that > every day! In Adelaide the line of forecast storms has not arrived, but > perhaps we can expect more action as the low moves by. I can see a few > more trough lines in this system forming. > > One question about the recent MSL charts. A frontal symbol with the > 'teeth' joined by crosses rather that a solid line. What exactly > does this > indicate? > 1.A weak or decaying front? > 2. A feature located only by photographic interpretation? > 3. A transient feature? > > Cheers > > Phil > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - > "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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Hi Everybody
 
Can anyone help with sites that may help me better read/understand Satellite pics.
I'm not really understanding all I'm looking at when I study the GMS-5 pics, or others for that matter. 
It would be appreciated.
Thank-you
 
Ashton
From: "Ashton H Anderson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:30:54 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Dave
 
I assume Mark Hardy will respond personally but this upgrade was mooted by Mark on TWC Forum during May when he said they were at that time working on the composite.
At that stage, I believe he said it was about a month away from release and I have been waiting patiently until now!!
I hope this helps.
 
Ashton
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image

Mark..

What gave you the idea to upgrade the image, was it from Country Energy's
new lightning
tracker, or had Weather Company been in process of this for sometime.  Just
interested.

Dave


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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:06 PM
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> No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago.
>
> Mark Hardy
> The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> http://www.theweather.com.au
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> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM
> To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
> Subject: aus-wx: New image
>
>
> http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg
>
> Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay...
>
> Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough?
>
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From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Warm but not much else Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 14:32:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Warm but not much else

Wollongong 14:20 EST,

Well it has beeen pretty much a summers day down here. Warm and humid since early with plenty of decent cumulous around. It seems to have formed a bit of a strato-cu deck from the portion of the sky I can see, which seems to be the result of some pretty decent capping. I'm not holding out much hope of anything as it would seem that the action for today will be to the NE of NSW and by the sounds, to the Vics and Tasmania. Maybe a light splash of rain will suffice as it is looking pretty dark to the west.

The temp this morning at 5am when I left for work was 20.3, up from 19.7 when I got up 15 minutes earlier. The wind has been mostly from the N and NW, but around 11am it was blowing reasonably from the E for a period until about 11pm. The wind though now seems N-NW and is a little cooler. So maybe something might happen, you never know. Yesterday as I ran home there was an area of better convection which was slowly moving north along the shoreline towards the Royal and Sydney. All around there was cumulous which seemed to be hitting a good hard cap, but in this small area there was some good grunty action happening with the interaction of the NE seabreeze and warmer, dryer W'ly. But later as the NE'ly died out the sky became almost completely clear (around 6pm), but around 6:30-7 good cumulous began growing north of Wollongong and was the only cloud in the sky. I didn't see anything forming an anvil from this side, but there was 1-2 flashes around this time. So fingers rossed, if not we could always move to Vic, they get all the action....

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

EOM

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From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Storm's appearing in the North West Slopes and Plaines, NSW Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:41:03 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com There is certainly plenty of activity showing on our lightning tracker around Tamworth. Seems to be intensifying too. http://beta.weatherzone.com.au/currentweather/lightning.jsp Mark Hardy The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. http://www.theweather.com.au -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of simon at fearby.com Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 5:01 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Storm's appearing in the North West Slopes and Plaines, NSW The BOM radar images (http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR532.shtml) of Northern NSW are showing recent developments of rain/storm like falls. The North Power Storm Tracker (http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html) is showing no lightning in NSW at the moment? Can anyone veryfy storms in Northern NSW? I am in Tamworth and the rain/storms are coming this way, I guess I will find out in an hour or so. Simon Fearby simon at fearby.com Tamworth, NSW http://www.fearby.com http://www.fearby.com/weather/ ___________________________________ NOCC, http://nocc.sourceforge.net +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:43:54 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
Hi Ashton
I responded yesterday. Possibly some people didn't receive it - not to worry. Yes, it took longer than expected to get it up and running. Not that it was particularly difficult - other things just kept jumping up and getting in the way. Still, we're getting there, slowly...
 
Cheers
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Ashton H Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2001 6:31 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image

Hi Dave
 
I assume Mark Hardy will respond personally but this upgrade was mooted by Mark on TWC Forum during May when he said they were at that time working on the composite.
At that stage, I believe he said it was about a month away from release and I have been waiting patiently until now!!
I hope this helps.
 
Ashton
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image

Mark..

What gave you the idea to upgrade the image, was it from Country Energy's
new lightning
tracker, or had Weather Company been in process of this for sometime.  Just
interested.

Dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image


> No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago.
>
> Mark Hardy
> The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> http://www.theweather.com.au
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Mirtschin
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM
> To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
> Subject: aus-wx: New image
>
>
> http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg
>
> Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay...
>
> Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough?
>
>   --------------------------------------
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>     Designer - Writer
>     paul at nothingdesign.com.au
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X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Peninsula funnel Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:00:21 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2001 08:00:21.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[183D1E00:01C15D2B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. I was up flying today, over Cranbourne way, and a few nice small CB's moving across Melb. One out Sunbury way, and the other moved across the bay, then over the peninsula towards French Is. The peninsula one looked to have 2 or so anvils (very fibrous though) potruding through the rest of the cloud structure, and a small lowering appeared when it moved over the land. About 5 minutes later, a small funnel formed, but quickly dissipated. Let's hope for something bigger and meaner soon!!!! Liam _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 From: "David Carroll" Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:59:51 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.7 |March 21, 2001) at 25/10/2001 05:59:50 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id EAA26721 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com HI Ashton and Mark.. Thanks for the feedback in relation to the new Lightning trackers.. Its great that we have such great access now coming upto Storm season.. We all here at work at gearing up.. Many countless hrs spent organising plans for major outages.. We all know they happen. It was great to read the difference between LPATS and GPATS.. Cheers Dave "Ashton H Anderson" To: Sent by: cc: aussie-weather-approval at wor Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image ld.std.com 24/10/2001 06:30 AM Please respond to aussie-weather Hi Dave I assume Mark Hardy will respond personally but this upgrade was mooted by Mark on TWC Forum during May when he said they were at that time working on the composite. At that stage, I believe he said it was about a month away from release and I have been waiting patiently until now!! I hope this helps. Ashton ----- Original Message ----- From: David Carroll To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: New image Mark.. What gave you the idea to upgrade the image, was it from Country Energy's new lightning tracker, or had Weather Company been in process of this for sometime. Just interested. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hardy" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: New image > No Paul. We put these up about an hour ago. > > Mark Hardy > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. > http://www.theweather.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Paul > Mirtschin > Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2001 5:56 PM > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com > Subject: aus-wx: New image > > > http://www.weatherzone.com.au/weatherzone-latest/NSW_Lightning.jpg > > Nice... Rain, lightning, town/city overlay... > > Is this new or haven't I been looking through my bookmarks often enough? > >   -------------------------------------- >     Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 >     Designer - Writer >     paul at nothingdesign.com.au >     www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Does this coffee taste a little anthraxy to you? > >  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >  To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com  with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your  message. >  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >  To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >  with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >  message. >  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >  +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+  To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com  with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your  message.  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. 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Oh well, you were lucky, we got about 0.5 mm yesterday and today we didn't even get enough rain to measure. My grandfather heard a light clap  but I did not hear a thing. I wish we could get some decent rainfall here.
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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Godsman, Andrew AG
Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 2:49 PM
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Peter,

It had darkened right up down here, as per my earlier email. Looking outside at 14:45 though there is a decent shower to my north which we are just copping the edge of. Large drops and as before, the wind is quite cool, that feeling it has from the outflow behind a thunderstorm that breaks the heat of a day. Behind us now though it is much more patchy cloud cover and looking warmer again.

Andrew G

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Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 2:20 PM
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney 2:15pm


A few spits at Clemton park.  Clouded up from 1 to 5 octa in 30 mins -
but cloud base is high

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From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Weather List Aussie" Subject: aus-wx: Re Reciepts Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:35:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My apologies about the message wanting receipts, I had ticked the option in Outlook before I thought about rejoining Aus WX List ----------------------------------- Glen O'Riley www.linx.iwarp.com Storm Chaser ACREM Member NSW State Emergency Services Member NSW Rural Fire Service Member Computer Technician Rail/Computer/Electronic Enthusiest ------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:02:13 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My favourite is Michael's young boy wanting to go home. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [213.38.89.28] From: "jr" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Casino supercells and hail videos Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:17:03 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2001 10:17:04.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[31DBABC0:01C15D3E] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thats my favourite too, Michael. John R > My favourite is Michael's young boy wanting to go home. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Today's weather in Melbourne Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:19:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Images from today's pleasant weather in Melbourne...... lunchtime - looking NE http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02938.jpg from the roof http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02941.jpg shower north of the city about 5.30pm http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02942.jpg nice Cb to the north http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02943.jpg shower has got to the CBD - moving from the NW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02944.jpg I love this!! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02946.jpg sunset in Melbourne http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02947.jpg heavy shower to the N of Melbourne http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02948.jpg showers, showers & more showers http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02949.jpg Enjoy!! -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p440-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.186] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:03:53 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Just in brief, I took the day off - was sort of feeling sick. I waited around until I thought there was some more certainty of thunderstorms to develop. Observationally, the cumulus were looking reasonable early but seem to not keep going. The air was drying out. But the air in the Hunter at this stage was still moist. I picked up Rune and we headed for the region near Raymond Terrace. Yet again, things were drying out!!!!! Winds had turned W-NW. There was some consolidating cloud to the N again near Karuh. Yes a convergence line. Thanks for the update from Paul Graham, Rune and I headed N. The storm was showing the usual structure indicative of convergence lines. The storm grew rapidly and showed some impressive structure. It may have been briefly severe. Certainly some heavy rain out of it as we headed through it from the rear. By the time though that we tried to find a good lookout or a beach the storm had moved rapidly off the coast and also collapsed...... After a wait of an hour or so, we headed back to Sydney. Not much footage but I am glad Rune got some. I suppose it had to be a storm to get me into the Forster area where I don't think I have been since 1982... ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:48:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com howdy Jimmy, I am glad you found something as there was nothing over here, if you were over at Forster, I am dissapointed you didn't visit but never mind. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 10:04 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Hi all, Just in brief, I took the day off - was sort of feeling sick. I waited around until I thought there was some more certainty of thunderstorms to develop. Observationally, the cumulus were looking reasonable early but seem to not keep going. The air was drying out. But the air in the Hunter at this stage was still moist. I picked up Rune and we headed for the region near Raymond Terrace. Yet again, things were drying out!!!!! Winds had turned W-NW. There was some consolidating cloud to the N again near Karuh. Yes a convergence line. Thanks for the update from Paul Graham, Rune and I headed N. The storm was showing the usual structure indicative of convergence lines. The storm grew rapidly and showed some impressive structure. It may have been briefly severe. Certainly some heavy rain out of it as we headed through it from the rear. By the time though that we tried to find a good lookout or a beach the storm had moved rapidly off the coast and also collapsed...... After a wait of an hour or so, we headed back to Sydney. Not much footage but I am glad Rune got some. I suppose it had to be a storm to get me into the Forster area where I don't think I have been since 1982... ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [144.132.45.8] From: "Liam Domanski" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Peninsula funnel Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:44:03 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Oct 2001 13:44:03.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C3866B0:01C15D5B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tony. I was doing an endorsement flight in the Moorabbin training area (bounded by Moorabbin, Pakenham, Koo Wee Rup and Tyabb.) This was approx 16:00 I was overhead about Cranbourne. The CB had tracked over the bay, and had just come on land over the peninsula when I noticed a lowering. The funnel formed about 5 or so mins later. It lasted for about 1 - 1.5 mins Naturally the flying instructor and I stayed well clear of the CB, as it was visibly raining and windy. Would have been nice to fly up and take a close look though!!! Liam >From: "T Middleton" >To: gashband at hotmail.com >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Peninsula funnel >Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:41:53 > >Hi Liam, >about what time of the day was this? and where exactly did you fly over? (i >saw a few planes - hehee i was watching cells from near'ish/east of >Phillip Island most of the day. > >regards Tony >http://bigmax.yi.org/users/anvils > > > >>From: "Liam Domanski" >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >>Subject: aus-wx: Peninsula funnel >>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:00:21 +1000 >> >>Hi all. >> >>I was up flying today, over Cranbourne way, and a few nice small CB's >>moving >>across Melb. One out Sunbury way, and the other moved across the bay, >>then >>over the peninsula towards French Is. >> >>The peninsula one looked to have 2 or so anvils (very fibrous though) >>potruding through the rest of the cloud structure, and a small lowering >>appeared when it moved over the land. About 5 minutes later, a small >>funnel >>formed, but quickly dissipated. >> >>Let's hope for something bigger and meaner soon!!!! >> >>Liam >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >> >>+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >>To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >>with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >>message. >>-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:49:36 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Dearest list, If you like a large number of blue, green and red dots, you might be interested to peruse yesterday's Storm Prediction Center storm reports. Mainly the Midwest of the U.S. generated 20 tornado, 100 hail and 446 wind reports. For October that is a proud number. So far the trough over E AUS has been disappointing, but its slow progression keeps my hope alive for severe convective delights. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:04:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Currently overcast with persistant light to very light drizzle in Brisbane :( John >sniip Dearest list, If you like a large number of blue, green and red dots, you might be interested to peruse yesterday's Storm Prediction Center storm reports. Mainly the Midwest of the U.S. generated 20 tornado, 100 hail and 446 wind reports. For October that is a proud number. So far the trough over E AUS has been disappointing, but its slow progression keeps my hope alive for severe convective delights. Cheers, Harald +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:34:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, After an SMS from Nick Sykes about Cjs & Cbs over the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, I felt that it was an approriate time to go & collect the mail . From the first intersection 1 got a pic of "short stack" Cb (ie: not very tall) near Mt Dandenong, from the next I got a view of a very, very dark area to the south. Up the hill on the way back to the office, a quick scout around & another photo.....today continues to look "interesting". Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- Dearest list, If you like a large number of blue, green and red dots, you might be interested to peruse yesterday's Storm Prediction Center storm reports. Mainly the Midwest of the U.S. generated 20 tornado, 100 hail and 446 wind reports. For October that is a proud number. So far the trough over E AUS has been disappointing, but its slow progression keeps my hope alive for severe convective delights. Cheers, Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [202.139.125.41] From: "stuart hely" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:59:39 +0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 01:59:40.0577 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFAC5910:01C15DC1] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Harald, How can I get hold of the US Storm Prediction Center storm reports? S >From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) >Subject: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast >Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:49:36 +1000 (EST) > > >Dearest list, > >If you like a large number of blue, green and red dots, you might be >interested to peruse yesterday's Storm Prediction Center storm reports. >Mainly the Midwest of the U.S. generated 20 tornado, 100 hail and >446 wind reports. For October that is a proud number. > >So far the trough over E AUS has been disappointing, but its slow >progression keeps my hope alive for severe convective delights. > >Cheers, Harald > >-- >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Harald Richter >BMRC >PO Box 1289K >Melbourne VIC 3001 >Australia >ph: +61 3 9669 4501 >fax: +61 3 9669 4660 >email: h.richter at bom.gov.au >url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm >--------------------------------------------------------------- > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:31:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a quickie email to you all know we are having a rather active electrical storm in the Dandenong ranges ATM (~30km east of Melbourne CBD). Have counted 7 near lightnening strikes in past 10-15 minutes. Some brief heavy rain and small hail... though nothing too spectacular (~5 mm in total in 15 minutes(). Still, makes for 3 thunder days, and 5 hail days for the month. Again I claim full responsibility... having scheduled the lopping of a dead tree near our house today, only to have the "tree surgeon" rained off!%# Looking at the radar and progs through to months end, we should be able to crack 200mm for the month. Happy WX watching. David Jones d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:56:44 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I managed to capture a CG on video just as the storm passed over Clayton: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_26/image1.jpg (small) http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_10_26/image2.jpg (large) This was looking east from Monash Uni. The loud rumble of thunder that followed was brilliant!! On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, David Jones wrote: > Just a quickie email to you all know we are having a rather active > electrical storm in the Dandenong ranges ATM (~30km east of Melbourne CBD). > Have counted 7 near lightnening strikes in past 10-15 minutes. Some brief > heavy rain and small hail... though nothing too spectacular (~5 mm in total > in 15 minutes(). Still, makes for 3 thunder days, and 5 hail days for the > month. Again I claim full responsibility... having scheduled the lopping of > a dead tree near our house today, only to have the "tree surgeon" rained > off!%# > Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: Yesterday's US Feast (addendum) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:16:32 +1000 (EST) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My apologies. I should have added the URL for the SPC's storm reports: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html There ya go, Harald PS: There's a remarkable storm E of TAS! The storms flash rate and anvil shape look encouraging. > How can I get hold of the US Storm Prediction Center storm reports? > > >Dearest list, > > > >If you like a large number of blue, green and red dots, you might be > >interested to peruse yesterday's Storm Prediction Center storm reports. > >Mainly the Midwest of the U.S. generated 20 tornado, 100 hail and > >446 wind reports. For October that is a proud number. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Nitso" To: Subject: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:35:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi guys:
 
Finally action time in the North.
 
In the Indian Ocean around 95 degrees east there is a low that has been given moderate potential for development in three days, but unfortunately is expected to move West. It'll be interesting to see todays forecast.
 
Closer to home, is a weak low in the Coral Sea which is quite Impressive on Willis Island radar (this is coming from someone who has seen about 15mm of rain in four months) The low on radar is moving SW or SSW, the Bureau on its High seas forecast says its weakening. If it hits the coast north of Townsville it could cause some great rainfall (e.g falls between 100 to 300mm) Fingers crossed all you North Queenslanders.
However I don't know why the bureau is not mentioning it on any of their forecasts outside the High Seas forecast.
 
The origin of the Low seems to me to be from that cloud cluster that was around the Solomons and then steadily moved West to be just east of PNG, this low seems to have broken away from that cloud. (meanwhile that cloud cluster also appears to have broken up considerably.)
 
It looks to be a relatively interesting 24 - 48 hours up here.
 
CHEERS (from a dryish Townsville)
Chris
X-Sender: johnstone at psyphw.psych.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:07:21 -0500 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Tom Johnstone Subject: aus-wx: possible TC activity in Indian Ocean Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Latest JTWC bulletin has upgraded chances of TC formation to good for the system in the southern Indian Ocean: https://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/abioweb.txt BOM has it rated as moderate for development within 72 hours: http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW10900.txt Meanwhile, here in the midwest USA, we're having our first blast of winter. Temperature here in Madison is about 1.5C with strong, cold winds from the NW. Further north they've been having their first blizzard of the season. Our local National Weather Service weather station was put out of action by lightning the other day. You can actually see the "glitch" on the humidity readings at the time of the strike: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/mkx/mtrmkx.html So it's all happening in this part of the world! Tom +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:49:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am glad that someone is getting something, we have had a couple of very light rumbles here and it died again. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Jones Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 12:32 PM To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Just a quickie email to you all know we are having a rather active electrical storm in the Dandenong ranges ATM (~30km east of Melbourne CBD). Have counted 7 near lightnening strikes in past 10-15 minutes. Some brief heavy rain and small hail... though nothing too spectacular (~5 mm in total in 15 minutes(). Still, makes for 3 thunder days, and 5 hail days for the month. Again I claim full responsibility... having scheduled the lopping of a dead tree near our house today, only to have the "tree surgeon" rained off!%# Looking at the radar and progs through to months end, we should be able to crack 200mm for the month. Happy WX watching. David Jones d.jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Nice Couple of Days Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:13:30 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 06:13:30.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[555D33F0:01C15DE5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Everyone The last 2 days have been intersting with nice Cu Towers and the odd Cb developing in the late afternoon, although none that I saw were electricly active. Had some nice heavy showers today and one of the showers surprised me as it went flash and a couple of nice deep rumbles but that was all from it. Currently it's raining lightly with Cu everywhere Cheers Les Baxter Ballarat Weather _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Weather List Aussie" Subject: aus-wx: Virus Alert Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:47:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I recieved an alert from my anti virus off Les Baxters email titled Nice couple of days, the virus was reported as I-Worm.Hybris.B. Just though I would warm all other folks. ----------------------------------- Glen O'Riley www.linx.iwarp.com Storm Chaser ACREM Member NSW State Emergency Services Member NSW Rural Fire Service Member Computer Technician Rail/Computer/Electronic Enthusiest ------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "dann weatherhead" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victoria looking better. Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:09:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve/Rune, As i am travelling to Victoria this afternoon/evening, i would like to see persistent thunderstorms along the hume hwy from 5pm over the following 9 hours. It would certainly make the trip down interesting and quite quick!! At the moment to my north and northeast, there are some quite impressive CB's. These aren't looking as good as they did about 15 minutes ago, but hopefully this is a precursor to some action later on. :) dann +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "evelyn&wayne" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 18:20:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Chris,
Glad to see someone else from Townsville.
Regards,
 
Evelyn
From Kelso
----- Original Message -----
Sent: October 26, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean

Hi guys:
 
Finally action time in the North.
 
In the Indian Ocean around 95 degrees east there is a low that has been given moderate potential for development in three days, but unfortunately is expected to move West. It'll be interesting to see todays forecast.
 
Closer to home, is a weak low in the Coral Sea which is quite Impressive on Willis Island radar (this is coming from someone who has seen about 15mm of rain in four months) The low on radar is moving SW or SSW, the Bureau on its High seas forecast says its weakening. If it hits the coast north of Townsville it could cause some great rainfall (e.g falls between 100 to 300mm) Fingers crossed all you North Queenslanders.
However I don't know why the bureau is not mentioning it on any of their forecasts outside the High Seas forecast.
 
The origin of the Low seems to me to be from that cloud cluster that was around the Solomons and then steadily moved West to be just east of PNG, this low seems to have broken away from that cloud. (meanwhile that cloud cluster also appears to have broken up considerably.)
 
It looks to be a relatively interesting 24 - 48 hours up here.
 
CHEERS (from a dryish Townsville)
Chris
X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p591-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.142.83] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:39:35 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: RE: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Glen, By the time you finish the chase, it is time to get home and Rune had to get home for work the next day. But when I am able to do it on a Saturday, then that is a different story. Cheers. Jimmy Deguara At 10:48 PM 25/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >howdy Jimmy, I am glad you found something as there was nothing over here, >if you were over at Forster, I am dissapointed you didn't visit but never >mind. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 10:04 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase > > >Hi all, > >Just in brief, I took the day off - was sort of feeling sick. I waited >around until I thought there was some more certainty of thunderstorms to >develop. Observationally, the cumulus were looking reasonable early but >seem to not keep going. The air was drying out. But the air in the Hunter >at this stage was still moist. > >I picked up Rune and we headed for the region near Raymond Terrace. Yet >again, things were drying out!!!!! Winds had turned W-NW. There was some >consolidating cloud to the N again near Karuh. Yes a convergence line. >Thanks for the update from Paul Graham, Rune and I headed N. > >The storm was showing the usual structure indicative of convergence lines. >The storm grew rapidly and showed some impressive structure. It may have >been briefly severe. Certainly some heavy rain out of it as we headed >through it from the rear. By the time though that we tried to find a good >lookout or a beach the storm had moved rapidly off the coast and also >collapsed...... > >After a wait of an hour or so, we headed back to Sydney. Not much footage >but I am glad Rune got some. I suppose it had to be a storm to get me into >the Forster area where I don't think I have been since 1982... > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:27:28 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of responsibility.
 
With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea).
 
 
 
Regards
Simon 
From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:25:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am just mucking, don't worry too much but it would be good to see you folks come visit. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 6:40 PM To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: RE: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase Hi Glen, By the time you finish the chase, it is time to get home and Rune had to get home for work the next day. But when I am able to do it on a Saturday, then that is a different story. Cheers. Jimmy Deguara At 10:48 PM 25/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: >howdy Jimmy, I am glad you found something as there was nothing over here, >if you were over at Forster, I am dissapointed you didn't visit but never >mind. > >-----Original Message----- >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara >Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2001 10:04 PM >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: Back form a storm chase > > >Hi all, > >Just in brief, I took the day off - was sort of feeling sick. I waited >around until I thought there was some more certainty of thunderstorms to >develop. Observationally, the cumulus were looking reasonable early but >seem to not keep going. The air was drying out. But the air in the Hunter >at this stage was still moist. > >I picked up Rune and we headed for the region near Raymond Terrace. Yet >again, things were drying out!!!!! Winds had turned W-NW. There was some >consolidating cloud to the N again near Karuh. Yes a convergence line. >Thanks for the update from Paul Graham, Rune and I headed N. > >The storm was showing the usual structure indicative of convergence lines. >The storm grew rapidly and showed some impressive structure. It may have >been briefly severe. Certainly some heavy rain out of it as we headed >through it from the rear. By the time though that we tried to find a good >lookout or a beach the storm had moved rapidly off the coast and also >collapsed...... > >After a wait of an hour or so, we headed back to Sydney. Not much footage >but I am glad Rune got some. I suppose it had to be a storm to get me into >the Forster area where I don't think I have been since 1982... > >----------------------------------------- >Jimmy Deguara >Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > >from >Schofields, Sydney >NSW Australia > >e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > >Web Page with Michael Bath > >Australian Severe Weather Home Page >http://www.australiasevereweather.com > >President of the Australian Severe Weather Association >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:06:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 10:04:42.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[A1E82E80:01C15E05] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey All Two storms passed over work during the course of the day, and i managed to see a close CG (i think it may have been the one robert caught, as i work a km or so east of monash). Some very loud thunder and pouring rain (no hail). At lunch i managed to catch the tail end of the storm, it's anvil clearly visable to the east. Then over the course of 15-20min I watched some moderately size Cu grow into a beast Cb tower,, at which one stage took on a corkscrew appearance with lots of interesting scudy action down below. I think this cell was the one that moved through FTG and brought torrential rain and some fantastic CG's and thunder (my mum was very animated on the phone so it must have been good). anyway i took 70 pics with the digi cam today, and have uploaded 40 off them the better pics are these ones http://www.pbase.com/image/463220 http://www.pbase.com/image/463221 http://www.pbase.com/image/463232 http://www.pbase.com/image/463311 http://www.pbase.com/image/463314 http://www.pbase.com/image/463316 http://www.pbase.com/image/463317 http://www.pbase.com/image/463318 http://www.pbase.com/image/463319 http://www.pbase.com/image/463320 http://www.pbase.com/image/463322 all of the pics can be viewed here http://www.pbase.com/njsykes/photo_diary_-_october_26th_2001&page=all Nick Sykes +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:10:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 10:08:02.0226 (UTC) FILETIME=[18D12920:01C15E06] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I forgot to add the link to a merged picture This is 3 photos combined, showing the flanking line and then the billowing Cb tower, pitty i missed the top of the cb ): http://www.pbase.com/image/463330 Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. > I am glad that someone is getting something, we have had a couple of very > light rumbles here and it died again. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Jones > Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 12:32 PM > To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' > Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms.. > > > Just a quickie email to you all know we are having a rather active > electrical storm in the Dandenong ranges ATM (~30km east of Melbourne CBD). > Have counted 7 near lightnening strikes in past 10-15 minutes. Some brief > heavy rain and small hail... though nothing too spectacular (~5 mm in total > in 15 minutes(). Still, makes for 3 thunder days, and 5 hail days for the > month. Again I claim full responsibility... having scheduled the lopping of > a dead tree near our house today, only to have the "tree surgeon" rained > off!%# > > Looking at the radar and progs through to months end, we should be able to > crack 200mm for the month. > > Happy WX watching. > > David Jones > d.jones at bom.gov.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: No wx forecast for Qld for tomorrow - pack up & come south guys!! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:00:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, Just thought that you needed to be aware of the fact that in Queensland (according to the forecast) "No weather is expected over the southern inland with this next trough ........................................................................ ............. but as moisture levels build up in far eastern districts, isolated showers or thunderstorms are possible before clearing Tuesday night." Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne storms Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 00:15:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Today's pics (BTW, we don't get storms Ants......) (I'll put them up with thumbnails over the weekend) a lurking early Cb to the east http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02950.jpg looking south http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02951.jpg shower over the city http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02952.jpg mid afternoon - looking NW & N http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02955.jpg looking west towards what is heading our way http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02957.jpg convection http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02958.jpg more convection http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02959.jpg looking west http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02960.jpg heavy shower SW of the city http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02961.jpg and to the S http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02962.jpg starting to look very interesting....... http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02963.jpg shower to the NW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02965.jpg fractus http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02968.jpg to the NW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02969.jpg shower to the SW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02970.jpg looking north with an interesting lowering of sorts that did nothing http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02971.jpg darker to the NW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02972.jpg interesting rain curtain to the N, clear air & then very heavy shower to NW http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02973.jpg nice anvil snowing out - the blue strip is the top of my windscreen http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02974.jpg the look of summer!!! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/Dcp02975.jpg Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:05:29 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie Weather Subject: aus-wx: small storm cells in Sydney Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Two storms in Sydney's north today... first at 10.30 am gave 4.2 mm in a couple of minuters at turramurra and 2nd at 3.20-3.40 with quite a few CGs and tiny hail in brief heavy shower - both moving at 50 knots + to the east. All gone now. Better than nothing and a bit of a surprise. Sydney's temp reached 30 early - down to 2.5 at 4 pm, then 25.5 at 4.40 and 27.7 at 4.50 still only 19-20 on coast. don White +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nicholas Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne storms Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:14:36 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2001 23:11:53.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[99729D80:01C15E73] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ended up with 30mm from yesterdays stroms and rain overnight here in FTG. This brings our total to 158mm on 19 rain days, not too bad at all. With only a few days left in the month, 200mm looks out of reach, unless this front due tomorrow and resulting sw stream pulls something out (the way this month has gone i wont discount it, lol). Hopefully the catchments are doing well. The models seem a bit confused pass the weekend, i would like to see wednesday/thursday GASP come off :) Nick Sykes +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne wx pics Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:14:19 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, .........the past couple of days of Melbourne weather. http://www.stormchasers.au.com/25_10_01.htm http://www.stormchasers.au.com/26_10_01.htm Next please....whoever organised this ridge, would they kindly remove it!! I'm ready to go chasing again Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: No wx forecast for Qld for tomorrow - pack up & come south guys!! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:44:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com My next door neighbour is heading up there today. Better go and warn them :-) Little bit of low flying clouds here at present similar to a breaking fog. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:00 AM Subject: aus-wx: No wx forecast for Qld for tomorrow - pack up & come south guys!! > Evening all, > > Just thought that you needed to be aware of the fact that in Queensland > (according to the forecast) > > "No weather is expected over the southern inland with this next trough > ........................................................................ > ............. > but as moisture levels build up in far eastern districts, isolated > showers or thunderstorms are possible before clearing Tuesday night." > > Jane > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:54:05 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
That's interesting Simon, because the SOI has been neutral for a long while now and last summer's Coral Sea cyclone count was well down on the usual.However the long term outlook is going for above average rain in Queensland..so will be interesting whatever the cause. I hope you are right and we get some monsoonal depressions coming into NSW from the remnants of Coral Sea cyclones or whatever. Lately the 'rain depressions' in summer have been staying up there mostly.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first !

Hi all
 
So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of responsibility.
 
With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea).
 
 
 
Regards
Simon 
From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:27:18 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 02:28:37.0754 (UTC) FILETIME=[158645A0:01C15E8F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all Tropos.
I presume in the Australian region that a tropical low pressure system can be named even if the sustained strongest winds do not reach 'hurricane' force,I was surprised to hear of this low being named 'Alex', but with sustained winds near the centre of just 35 knots! and gusts to 45knots.I would except the system being named tropical storm Alex to define it as being below tropical cyclonic intensity as they are else where in the world,according to the world excepted standard the defined speed to Qualify as a tropical cyclone/Typhoon/Hurricane is winds greater than 66knots, could someone put me right on this one regards Clyve Herbert.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first !

Hi all
 
So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of responsibility.
 
With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea).
 
 
 
Regards
Simon 
X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:59:51 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve, As I understand it, a category 1 and 2 cyclone on the Australian scale is equivalent to a tropical storm on the Pacific and American scale. A "severe" tropical cyclone is when it reaches category 3, which is equivalent to a Hurricane/Typhoon category 1 and 2 on the Pacific and American scale. Jacob At 12:27 PM 27/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > Hi all Tropos. > I presume in the Australian region that a tropical low pressure system can be > named even if the sustained strongest winds do not reach 'hurricane' force,I > was surprised to hear of this low being named 'Alex', but with sustained > winds near the centre of just 35 knots! and gusts to 45knots.I would except > the system being named tropical storm Alex to define it as being below > tropical cyclonic intensity as they are else where in the world,according to > the world excepted standard the defined speed to Qualify as a tropical > cyclone/Typhoon/Hurricane is winds greater than 66knots, could someone put me > right on this one regards Clyve Herbert. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Simon Clarke >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM >> Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! >> >> Hi all >> >> So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season >> being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further >> now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of >> responsibility. >> >> With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above >> average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea). >> >> >> >> Regards >> Simon > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Mark Hardy" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:42:59 +1000 Organization: The Weather Company X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Message
clyve
I believe that most parts of the world have the convention of naming the storm as cat 1 if winds reach gale force in all 4 quadrants.
 
 
Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of clyve herbert
Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2001 12:27 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first !

Hi all Tropos.
I presume in the Australian region that a tropical low pressure system can be named even if the sustained strongest winds do not reach 'hurricane' force,I was surprised to hear of this low being named 'Alex', but with sustained winds near the centre of just 35 knots! and gusts to 45knots.I would except the system being named tropical storm Alex to define it as being below tropical cyclonic intensity as they are else where in the world,according to the world excepted standard the defined speed to Qualify as a tropical cyclone/Typhoon/Hurricane is winds greater than 66knots, could someone put me right on this one regards Clyve Herbert.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first !

Hi all
 
So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of responsibility.
 
With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea).
 
 
 
Regards
Simon 
From: "Chris Nitso" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Indian Ocean Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:48:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Its Finally happened, Tropical Cyclone Alex:
 
Tropical Cyclone Alex with central pressure 992HPA located at 1600UTC
within 30 nautical miles of
Latitude eight decimal zero south [8.0S]
Longitude ninety three decimal five east  [093.5E]
moving west at 05 knots.


AREA AFFECTED
Tropical cyclone causing rough to very rough seas, moderate swell and 30/45 knot
winds within 75 nautical miles of centre.


FORECAST
At 0400UTC 27 October.  8.2 south  93.0 east  992hPa
At 1600UTC 27 October.  8.3 south  92.3 east  992hPa

Next warning issued at 2300 UTC 26 October 2001
 
Next update at 9AM EST
 
Meanwhile that low has all but dissipated in the Coral Sea. the bureau got it right. :(
 
CHEERS: Chris


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean

Hi Chris,
Glad to see someone else from Townsville.
Regards,
 
Evelyn
From Kelso
----- Original Message -----
Sent: October 26, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean

Hi guys:
 
Finally action time in the North.
 
In the Indian Ocean around 95 degrees east there is a low that has been given moderate potential for development in three days, but unfortunately is expected to move West. It'll be interesting to see todays forecast.
 
Closer to home, is a weak low in the Coral Sea which is quite Impressive on Willis Island radar (this is coming from someone who has seen about 15mm of rain in four months) The low on radar is moving SW or SSW, the Bureau on its High seas forecast says its weakening. If it hits the coast north of Townsville it could cause some great rainfall (e.g falls between 100 to 300mm) Fingers crossed all you North Queenslanders.
However I don't know why the bureau is not mentioning it on any of their forecasts outside the High Seas forecast.
 
The origin of the Low seems to me to be from that cloud cluster that was around the Solomons and then steadily moved West to be just east of PNG, this low seems to have broken away from that cloud. (meanwhile that cloud cluster also appears to have broken up considerably.)
 
It looks to be a relatively interesting 24 - 48 hours up here.
 
CHEERS (from a dryish Townsville)
Chris
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:28:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Clyve. Naming of tropical cyclones in most areas of the world is done when the system first achieves a sustained wind speed near the centre of 35 knots. However, this is not as simple as it might appear, as different authorities have different definitions of a 35-knot sustained wind speed. Basically the Americans, (JTWC, NHC, etc.) all use a one-minute average speed to define the speed. Most of the rest of the world uses a ten- minute average speed to define the speed. And at least one station I know of uses a sixty-minute average speed. In the Philippines AOR, however, the storm is named as soon as it becomes a Tropical Depression (what BoM calls a "Tropical Low") with wind speeds of around 20 knots near the centre. Storms in the North Indian are numbered but never named. Now that just takes care of the naming. What the storms are classified as also varies from place to place. The JTWC and other American agencies use the terms "Tropical Depression" (up to 35KT), "Tropical Storm" (35-65KT), "Typhoon" (65-130KT) and "Super Typhoon" (130KT and higher) - all measured on the 1-minute method. Elsewhere in Asia the terms are "Tropical Depression" (up to 62km/h), "Tropical Storm" (63-87km/h), "Severe Tropical Storm" (88- 117km/h) and "Typhoon" (118km/h and higher) - all measured on the 10- minute method. In the Australian region the BoM calls all such storms "Tropical Cyclones" (34-63KN) or "Intense Tropical Cyclones" (64KN and higher) and gives them categories from 1 to 5 based on the strongest gusts. They are Category 1 (up to 125km/h), cat2 (125-170km/h), cat3 (170-225km/h), cat4 (225-280km/h) and cat5 (280km/h and higher). Note that these categories are NOT the same as the categories used for Hurricanes in the US. So as you can see, whether it's naming or numbering, the whole business gets very complicated. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:27:18 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! > Hi all Tropos. > I presume in the Australian region that a tropical low pressure system > can be named even if the sustained strongest winds do not reach > 'hurricane' force,I was surprised to hear of this low being named > 'Alex', but with sustained winds near the centre of just 35 knots! and > gusts to 45knots.I would except the system being named tropical storm > Alex to define it as being below tropical cyclonic intensity as they > are else where in the world,according to the world excepted standard > the defined speed to Qualify as a tropical cyclone/Typhoon/Hurricane is > winds greater than 66knots, could someone put me right on this one > regards Clyve Herbert. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Simon Clarke > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM > Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! > > > Hi all > > So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie > season being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop > any further now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA > area of responsibility. > > With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an > above average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea). > > > > Regards > Simon > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 16:03:30 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Darwin/Katherine Photos Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all I've finally sifted through my video footage, and scanned in my photos from my trip to Darwin and Katherine. Day 1 can be found here: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/Dawex/Day1/today.html with subsequent days up to Day 9 found by clicking on the link at the bottom of each page. There is a lot of stuff there so the pages may be slow to load. Also, there is a bit of non-weather stuff there but hopefully it may still be of interest. If you can make it to Day 8, you will be duly rewarded as this was the highlight of the event. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:01:25 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 07:02:44.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[60A174D0:01C15EB5] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all Thank you all for the clarification I am a bit old fashioned and like to hang onto the old style descriptions, rules and regs etc,thank goodness there is a sought of world standard for tornadoes.......except mini varieties! regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jacob To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! > > Hi Clyve, > > As I understand it, a category 1 and 2 cyclone on the Australian scale is > equivalent to a tropical storm on the Pacific and American scale. > > A "severe" tropical cyclone is when it reaches category 3, which is equivalent > to a Hurricane/Typhoon category 1 and 2 on the Pacific and American scale. > > Jacob > > At 12:27 PM 27/10/2001 +1000, you wrote: > > > > Hi all Tropos. > > I presume in the Australian region that a tropical low pressure system can be > > named even if the sustained strongest winds do not reach 'hurricane' force,I > > was surprised to hear of this low being named 'Alex', but with sustained > > winds near the centre of just 35 knots! and gusts to 45knots.I would except > > the system being named tropical storm Alex to define it as being below > > tropical cyclonic intensity as they are else where in the world,according to > > the world excepted standard the defined speed to Qualify as a tropical > > cyclone/Typhoon/Hurricane is winds greater than 66knots, could someone put me > > right on this one regards Clyve Herbert. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Simon Clarke > >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 7:27 PM > >> Subject: aus-wx: So Alex is the first ! > >> > >> Hi all > >> > >> So despite some conjecture about the first named TC of the Aussie season > >> being initiated in the northern Coral Sea (not likely to develop any further > >> now), TC Alex has formed near the Cocos Islands in the WA area of > >> responsibility. > >> > >> With the SOI being fairly neutral at present, I am anticipating an above > >> average Australian TC season this year (esp. in the Coral Sea). > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> Simon > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Doll house gusher. Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:07:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2001 07:08:58.0976 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FC10E00:01C15EB6] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all. Had a decent shower here at about 1230 today lasted 1 minute! and got 2mm of rain, after the shower had moved on I went out the back to look at its structure,just a rather small congesting cu with tops no more than 12.000ft and no sign of glaciation. Not liking the word 'mini' I christened it a 'doll house gusher'!.....anyway 2mm looks good when it comes down in one minute. regards Clyve Herbert. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Vic meeting reminder Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:12:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a quick reminder for those of you organising your weekends..... Details of the next meeting of ASWA Victoria Where: meeting room of the Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster When: Saturday 3rd November starting at ~8.30am with breakfast & bragging, photos & the occasional tornado video!! Full agenda will be emailed on Tuesday night. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Paul Yole - Murtoa pyole at australia.edu ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Chris Nitso" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Indian Ocean Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:48:42 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MDMail-Server: MDaemon v2.0 rU b1 32 X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
 
Its Finally happened, Tropical Cyclone Alex:
 
Tropical Cyclone Alex with central pressure 992HPA located at 1600UTC
within 30 nautical miles of
Latitude eight decimal zero south [8.0S]
Longitude ninety three decimal five east  [093.5E]
moving west at 05 knots.


AREA AFFECTED
Tropical cyclone causing rough to very rough seas, moderate swell and 30/45 knot
winds within 75 nautical miles of centre.


FORECAST
At 0400UTC 27 October.  8.2 south  93.0 east  992hPa
At 1600UTC 27 October.  8.3 south  92.3 east  992hPa

Next warning issued at 2300 UTC 26 October 2001
 
Next update at 9AM EST
 
Meanwhile that low has all but dissipated in the Coral Sea. the bureau got it right. :(
 
CHEERS: Chris


----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 1980 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean

Hi Chris,
Glad to see someone else from Townsville.
Regards,
 
Evelyn
From Kelso
----- Original Message -----
Sent: October 26, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Weak Low Coral Sea/ TC possible Idian Ocean

Hi guys:
 
Finally action time in the North.
 
In the Indian Ocean around 95 degrees east there is a low that has been given moderate potential for development in three days, but unfortunately is expected to move West. It'll be interesting to see todays forecast.
 
Closer to home, is a weak low in the Coral Sea which is quite Impressive on Willis Island radar (this is coming from someone who has seen about 15mm of rain in four months) The low on radar is moving SW or SSW, the Bureau on its High seas forecast says its weakening. If it hits the coast north of Townsville it could cause some great rainfall (e.g falls between 100 to 300mm) Fingers crossed all you North Queenslanders.
However I don't know why the bureau is not mentioning it on any of their forecasts outside the High Seas forecast.
 
The origin of the Low seems to me to be from that cloud cluster that was around the Solomons and then steadily moved West to be just east of PNG, this low seems to have broken away from that cloud. (meanwhile that cloud cluster also appears to have broken up considerably.)
 
It looks to be a relatively interesting 24 - 48 hours up here.
 
CHEERS (from a dryish Townsville)
Chris
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Daylight savings Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:22:07 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, Welcome to Daylight Savings (some of us). If you live in a state which was granted conversion from AEDT to AEDST at 2am this morning and now have teach yourself to to reconvert Z time & UTC time to local time (by adding 11 hours) - this might just be a help http://www.stormchasers.au.com/time.htm The Minties clock is real - it was spotted in a cafe in Cunnamulla in 1999! Welcome to the season of more daylight to chase storms in, but no extra curtain fading Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Webcam update Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:58:18 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Surfing this morning, I've found a couple of useful links to surfcams. The ones in South Australia are great as they have a lot of sky & one has sky only (must have been organised by one of us)! Surfcams around the country (and elsewhere) http://www.realsurf.com/ (links on the bottom left of the page) South Australian surfcams http://www.southcam.com.au/v2_frameset.htm (links under "South Ozcams") I've linked them both to http://www.stormchasers.au.com/forecasting.htm & I've added a lot of new stuff over the past few weeks including a Tropical section. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley2 at mail.chariot.net.au Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 09:31:03 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: Webcam update Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jane You are a marvel! The Outer Harbour and West Beach cams especially will be very useful! Don't know why I'd never thought of searching for these. Anyway, thanx a bunch from Adelaide! Phil >Surfing this morning, > >I've found a couple of useful links to surfcams. The ones in South >Australia are great as they have a lot of sky & one has sky only (must >have been organised by one of us)! > >Surfcams around the country (and elsewhere) >http://www.realsurf.com/ >(links on the bottom left of the page) >South Australian surfcams >http://www.southcam.com.au/v2_frameset.htm >(links under "South Ozcams") > >I've linked them both to http://www.stormchasers.au.com/forecasting.htm >& I've added a lot of new stuff over the past few weeks including a >Tropical section. > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Melbourne Storm Chasers >http://www.stormchasers.au.com > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au - - - - - - - 'The Playpen' at www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - - "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..." 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Day 1 can be found here: > >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/Dawex/Day1/today.html > >with subsequent days up to Day 9 found by clicking on the link at the >bottom of each page. > >There is a lot of stuff there so the pages may be slow to load. Also, >there is a bit of non-weather stuff there but hopefully it may still be of >interest. If you can make it to Day 8, you will be duly rewarded as this >was the highlight of the event. > > >Cheers > >-- > >Robert A. Goler > >School of Mathematical Sciences >Monash University >Clayton, Vic 3800 >Australia > >ph. +61 3 9905 4424 >email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au >http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ > >-- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ =============================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ =============================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "David Carroll" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: Frankston Hail Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 14:28:40 +1100 Organization: Hotkey X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
HI all.
 
Just getting reports of very heavy Rain and small hail in Frankston area of Vic..  
 
Could anyone supply me with Nick Sykes mobile no.
 
Thanks.
Dave
 
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 15:17:19 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: Is It Hot or Cold in Brisbane? & TS Potential Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Certainly difficult to get comfortable, with fairly warm temperatures (low 30s) during the day, but very cold minimums! I got down to 12C here last night, 11C at the AP. 10C at Amberley, and a blistering cold (for October), 5C at Stanthorpe! The culprit is the drier W'lies, so the diurnal range has been quite great. At 6am it had warmed up a little at my place to 14C, 7am 21C, 8am 25c, 8:30am 28C, 9:30am 30C. It's hovered around the high 20's to 30C here for most of the day. I would much rather 18-27C than 12C-31C. Hopefully the DPs will increase this evening with the seabreeze (they should, in theory - get up to the mid-high teens) - we can only hope. If we do get that moisture, and it isn't too shallow - and winds persist N-NE tomorrow, that does (IMO) open up the possibility for storms in SE QLD/NE NSW tomorrow. The BoM at 11am were going for fine tomorrow, chance of a storm in the SE Coast district on Tuesday. Both have a chance I think, although Tuesday has the potential of becoming too dry. The air tomorrow will be a little cooler, around -13/-14C at 500mb. I noticed that AVN was suggesting LIs of -2/-3 - it was interesting, however it was going for 14-16g/kg of moisture in the area, perhaps a little too high. If we get the moisture, I do think there is a good possibility of at least something on the ranges though tomorrow. And Tuesday depends largely on whether the winds go W/NW or N/NW or NW/NE (the latter two being preferable), if it gets too dry - it might be another bay/ocean storm night! -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: Victorian Storms Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:03:25 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2001 08:00:38.0014 (UTC) FILETIME=[A15679E0:01C15F86] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey all Another day, another storm day in Victoria. Storms started to go up over the SE melbourne suburbs early afternoon and I was quickly out the door with digi cam in hand. Heading down to Narre Warren heading for the freeway. Got to Narre Warren and it was looking !!! to the SW, SE. Went up a hill and set up the camera. Saw a great CG, CC as I was setting up, nice purple colour :) A couple more bits of lightning occurred but missed them on the cam. Some great outflow developed from one of the cells. Any other enjoying the view I headed down to pakenam, watching further cells develop. Got word that north of pakenam was getting dumped on with pink and red so decided to head up to Cookatoo. On the way got slammed by 100mm/hr rain and hail, only small stuff ): Got treed in so heading back to pak, then headed east to warrigul. The whole time I could see this droolable cell to the north, in the hills ): access up that way is a beep, so headed to warrigul. By the time I got there the stroms showed marked weakening so decided to call it a day. Overall a great day, and another storm day for Vic :) I would like to thank Chris Gribben, Peter Creswick, David Carroll, Robert Goler, Paul Yole and Mum & Dad for updates sorry if i forgot anyone), they were much appreciated. You can view all of the pics from here http://www.pbase.com/njsykes/photo_diary__october_28th_2001&page=all My favs http://www.pbase.com/image/471182 http://www.pbase.com/image/471193 http://www.pbase.com/image/471198 http://www.pbase.com/image/471172 http://www.pbase.com/image/471183 Enjoy Nick +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 28 Oct 01 19:59:20 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Daylight savings Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Jane! 28 Oct 01 09:22, you wrote to Aussie-wx: JO> Welcome to Daylight Savings (some of us). If you live in a state JO> which was granted conversion from AEDT to AEDST at 2am this morning JO> and now have teach yourself to to reconvert Z time & UTC time to local JO> time (by adding 11 hours) - this might just be a If the conversion becomes a problem, why not get yourself a set of Local and UTC clocks. I have a set (actually, a door prize at a "hamfest"), and they're vary handy. I just look up at the "UTC" clock for UTC time (and no, that one never gets turned forward or back! :) ). JO> Welcome to the season of more daylight to chase storms in, but no JO> extra curtain fading But don't the cows get confused in the morning? ;-) Tony, VK3JED .. own as sissies? -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:02:01 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Amazing Trough Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We have had a trough system move over New Zealand with lots of cloud and lots of patchy rain in a lot of areas but no storms. Amazing. It just shows you that weather systems these days are producing less vigour. Is that because of global warming?? JohnGaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p123-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.123] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:40:15 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: US video still and also movies of the tornadoes Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, I have attached a video still the only one frame that had that brief lightning flash in the background. Very nice indeed as you can see the beautiful cone shape. The videos are also online http://australiasevereweather.com/video/index.html further down Last of these has Sam Barricklow and Tim Marshall vehicles in frame.... http://australiasevereweather.com/video/stills/2001/0529jd01.jpg Enjoy from David Croan and Jimmy Deguara no doubt more to come ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Subject: aus-wx: Alex - Andre Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:56:09 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Morning all, Reading the warning below, can anyone tell me why Alex has had a name change?? TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 02S (ALEX-ANDRE), LOCATED IN THE SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN, HAS BEEN TRACKING SOUTHWESTWARD AT 07 KNOTS DURING THE PAST SIX HOURS. THE WARNING POSITION IS BASED ON 2817300Z1 INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 55 AND 65 KNOTS. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES PULSING DEEP CONVECTION AND SHEARING OF THE SYSTEM TO THE SOUTHWEST. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT TC 02S IS SITUATED EQUATORWARD OF THE SUBTROPICAL RIDGE IN A REGION OF MODERATE NORTHEASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. TC 02S IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TRACKING WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD UNDER THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF A MID-LEVEL RIDGE SITUATED TO THE SOUTH. TC 02S IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE INTENSIFY SLOWLY. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 291800Z0 IS 15 FEET. Jane --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:03:57 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Alex - Andre X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes, Jane. It is the problem of the cyclone having moved from one AOR to another. In the Australian region, the BoM quite sensibly leave the same name with the same storm so Steve was named in Brisbane AOR, crossed Darwin AOR and travelled through Perth AOR. However where the authorities related to neighbouring AORs are unrelated to each other each has its own naming system. Therefore when 02S formed it was named ALEX by Perth as it was within the Perth AOR. When it crossed into Reunion's AOR during the weekend, it was renamed ANDRE. Fortunately other authorities such as JTWC retain both names when referring to it so we have some hope of telling which storm is which. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aus Wx" Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:56:09 +1100 Subject: aus-wx: Alex - Andre > Morning all, > > Reading the warning below, can anyone tell me why Alex has had a name > change?? > > TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 02S (ALEX-ANDRE), LOCATED IN THE SOUTH INDIAN > OCEAN, HAS BEEN TRACKING SOUTHWESTWARD AT 07 KNOTS DURING THE PAST > SIX HOURS. THE WARNING POSITION IS BASED ON 2817300Z1 INFRARED > SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE > CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 55 AND 65 KNOTS. ANIMATED > INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES PULSING DEEP CONVECTION AND > SHEARING OF THE SYSTEM TO THE SOUTHWEST. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS > INDICATES THAT TC 02S IS SITUATED EQUATORWARD OF THE SUBTROPICAL > RIDGE IN A REGION OF MODERATE NORTHEASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. TC > 02S IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE TRACKING WEST-SOUTHWESTWARD UNDER THE > STEERING INFLUENCE OF A MID-LEVEL RIDGE SITUATED TO THE SOUTH. TC > 02S IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE INTENSIFY SLOWLY. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT > WAVE HEIGHT AT 291800Z0 IS 15 FEET. > > Jane > --------------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > --------------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tim Grugeon" To: Subject: aus-wx: My website has moved Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:20:38 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all,
 
Just letting you know that my website, Hunter Valley Weather, has moved to http://www.hunterweather.com. I finally got around to getting my own domain before it got too big and too serious. :o) You may find that it has changed a little to my old site and a little more stuff has been added. I am getting there slowly. Please update bookmarks. 
 
Cheers,
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com
From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold October so far in much of Australia To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:11:40 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Adelaide's mean max for the month so far is 18.1. It won't be a record > (if you throw in the pre-1979 West Terrace obs) - 1905's 17.4 will > take some beating - but the next in line is 18.6 in 1932 and 1976, so > there is a reasonable chance that 2001 will be the second-lowest. > The lack of warm days has also been notable - highest for the month > so far is 23.2 (although that should change in the next few days). > Again 1905 leads the way here - highest for that month was only > 24.1. (It has failed to reach 30 in 19 Octobers out of a 114-year > record). Melbourne has also failed to reach 25 so far in October, > although this has happened 7 times in full octobers (and it should > get to 25 on Monday). > An update on this: Adelaide's mean is currently sitting on 18.8, and if forecasts for the next two days are correct it's unlikely to budge from this by more than 0.1. The continent has started to heat up over the last couple of days (going by the maps, yesterday was the first day for ages where the all-Australian daily max temp anomaly would have been positive), but I'd still be surprised if the national monthly anomaly gets any higher than -1.5. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Tim Grugeon" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10% Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:15:14 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi All,
 
Currently there is three large bushfires that are visible from my place in the lower Hunter. There is one near Kurri Kurri, Karuah and the other appears to be near Mt Sugarloaf. There is some pyro Cu's about due to the fire. The current winds are blowing from the WNW at 28kts, temp is 32°C, RH just 10% and DP is -2°C. As a result from these conditions, the evaporation levels are very high!!! It has been a while since we have experienced such conditions around this area. The drying conditions can be noticed by the paddocks. It appears as though the grass has been scorched since this morning.
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com
From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10% Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:58:54 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi Tim,
I think there are about 3 near Kurri, Weston and out near Greta.  The have been burning most of the day.  Fire engines are still going out to them.
 
Carolyn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%

Hi All,
 
Currently there is three large bushfires that are visible from my place in the lower Hunter. There is one near Kurri Kurri, Karuah and the other appears to be near Mt Sugarloaf. There is some pyro Cu's about due to the fire. The current winds are blowing from the WNW at 28kts, temp is 32°C, RH just 10% and DP is -2°C. As a result from these conditions, the evaporation levels are very high!!! It has been a while since we have experienced such conditions around this area. The drying conditions can be noticed by the paddocks. It appears as though the grass has been scorched since this morning.
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com
From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:51:56 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Details of the next meeting of ASWA Victoria Where: meeting room of the Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster When: Saturday 3rd November starting at ~8.30am with breakfast & bragging, photos & video!! Note: ASWA AGM videos can be ordered for $12 incl p& h ASWA car stickers are currently available at $4 incl p & h General Business ASWA caps ASWA Victorian state rep election Discussions & video: Recent weather (Victoria & NT) Guest speaker: Don Whitford (BoM) Topic: 'Forecasting the 2001 London - Sydney Air Race'. Visitors welcome!! Bring your appetite, storm footage & photos. See you all on Saturday!! Please RSVP so we have an idea of numbers. -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Paul Yole - Murtoa pyole at australia.edu ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Debbie Parker" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:04:58 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gee I wish you'd stop having meetings on weekends I can't go on! I'll be on the high seas on Saturday........ hoping for a northerly .... should be by then but not for Friday night unfortunately. With any luck that will change. Guess I'll catch the next meeting. Think I might owe some money though - did I pay the last membership?? Cheers Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:51 PM Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting > Details of the next meeting of ASWA Victoria > > Where: > meeting room of the Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster > When: > Saturday 3rd November starting at ~8.30am with breakfast & bragging, > photos & video!! > > Note: > ASWA AGM videos can be ordered for $12 incl p& h > ASWA car stickers are currently available at $4 incl p & h > > General Business > ASWA caps > ASWA Victorian state rep election > > Discussions & video: > Recent weather (Victoria & NT) > > Guest speaker: Don Whitford (BoM) > Topic: 'Forecasting the 2001 London - Sydney Air Race'. > > Visitors welcome!! Bring your appetite, storm footage & photos. > > See you all on Saturday!! > > Please RSVP so we have an idea of numbers. > > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Paul Yole - Murtoa > pyole at australia.edu > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:23:05 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com um - no idea - can't get into the admin part of the site to check ....can you still get into the ASWA site? that will tell us Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Parker" To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 8:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting > Gee I wish you'd stop having meetings on weekends I can't go on! > I'll be on the high seas on Saturday........ hoping for a northerly .... > should be by then but not for Friday night unfortunately. With any luck that > will change. > Guess I'll catch the next meeting. > Think I might owe some money though - did I pay the last membership?? > Cheers > Debbie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane ONeill > To: Aussie-wx > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 7:51 PM > Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting > > > > Details of the next meeting of ASWA Victoria > > > > Where: > > meeting room of the Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster > > When: > > Saturday 3rd November starting at ~8.30am with breakfast & bragging, > > photos & video!! > > > > Note: > > ASWA AGM videos can be ordered for $12 incl p& h > > ASWA car stickers are currently available at $4 incl p & h > > > > General Business > > ASWA caps > > ASWA Victorian state rep election > > > > Discussions & video: > > Recent weather (Victoria & NT) > > > > Guest speaker: Don Whitford (BoM) > > Topic: 'Forecasting the 2001 London - Sydney Air Race'. > > > > Visitors welcome!! Bring your appetite, storm footage & photos. > > > > See you all on Saturday!! > > > > Please RSVP so we have an idea of numbers. > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Paul Yole - Murtoa > > pyole at australia.edu > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- - > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au---------------------------- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:27:53 +1300 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: Re: aus-wx: Amazing Trough Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 23:02 28/10/01 +1300, you wrote: >We have had a trough system move over New Zealand with lots of cloud and >lots of patchy rain in a lot of areas but no storms. Amazing. >It just shows you that weather systems these days are producing less >vigour. Is that because of global warming?? > > >JohnGaul >NZ Thunderstorm Soc. Sorry about this I must eat my words. We have had inland thunderstorms today here in Canterbury but nothing startling really. JG NZTS +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10% Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:45:39 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
There are a few big fires currently in the Greater Taree area, one at Coopernook (just north of Taree), one near Old Bar which has surrounded some houses (east of Taree) and one at Tiperary which had trapped 1-3 tankers who luckily got out (located  South West of Taree), the Tiperary one just called though to control to state that they have just spotted another fire near to them. Tomorrows weather expected: 28c RH17% West 35-50kn High Fire Danger, Max temperature near my house today was 37c, I am located very close to Tiperary and my local unit is controlling it. One of the scenes has just called though as I am writing this to state that more houses are under threat. Winds here today have been gusting around 30-50kn and the RH is approximately 10-20%.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tim Grugeon
Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 3:15 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%

Hi All,
 
Currently there is three large bushfires that are visible from my place in the lower Hunter. There is one near Kurri Kurri, Karuah and the other appears to be near Mt Sugarloaf. There is some pyro Cu's about due to the fire. The current winds are blowing from the WNW at 28kts, temp is 32°C, RH just 10% and DP is -2°C. As a result from these conditions, the evaporation levels are very high!!! It has been a while since we have experienced such conditions around this area. The drying conditions can be noticed by the paddocks. It appears as though the grass has been scorched since this morning.
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com
From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Dry Line? Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:23:36 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there was a line of some sort of front passing through. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:06 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2001 11:04:56.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B2E6270:01C16069] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi sub tropo's (and Phil!) Have you checked the length of a mid and upper cloud band developing along the sub tropical jet extending from the Bay of Bengal all the way across China and off across the Pacific then north-eastward to the near Arctic! not bad one of the longest I have seen,looks as though Hong Kong will miss this one too Phil , regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:44:38 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Line? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, David Findlay wrote: > Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western > half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern > side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? > YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there > was a line of some sort of front passing through. > Yeah, I noticed this in the Sydney obs as well, although I think you have the wind directions switched around. The eastern side has more moisture with an easterly flow, which is probably the sea breeze. On the western side the wind has a westerly component and is much drier. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler School of Mathematical Sciences Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia ph. +61 3 9905 4424 email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p211-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.211] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:51:21 +1100 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Line? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Looks like penetration of the sea breeze. David Findlay wrote: > Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western > half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern > side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? > YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there > was a line of some sort of front passing through. > > David > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: aus-wx: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:48:37 +1100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Thread-Index: AcFgPaiwgzXa1MwkEdWc9wBQBOOBdA== From: "Craig Geddes" To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com

For information to all - Craig

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

TOTAL FIRE BAN

The Commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service has declared a Total Fire Ban in the following Weather Forecast Districts:

Metropolitan, Hunter, North West Plains and Northern Rivers Weather Regions

The weather forecast for this area is very high temperature, low humidity and moderate to strong winds.  These conditions are conducive to fire activity and the community is urged to take particular care.

Fire danger in this area will be extreme or approaching extreme.

      The Total Fire Ban will become effective from midnight TONIGHT for the 24 hours of Tuesday, October 20, 2001

During a Total Fire Ban no fire of any kind may be lit in the open.  This includes incinerators and barbecues which burn solid fuel, e.g. wood or charcoal.  You may use a gas or electric barbecue, but only if......

  • It is on residential property within 20m of the house or dwelling;
  • It is under the direct control of a responsible adult;
  • The ground around the barbecue is cleared for 3m of all material which could burn;
  • You have a continuous supply of running water.

"There is a very real danger of high fire activity in this area.  I urge the community to take extreme care and be particularly diligent during this dangerous period."  Commissioner Koperberg said.

For more information or interviews regarding fire danger & fire safety:
Duty Media Officer 02 9898 1855

John Winter
Director, Corporate Communications
NSW Rural Fire Service
Phone:        (02) 8845 3515 /  (0414) 533 133
Facsimile:    (02) 9638 4671
Email:          john.winter at bushfire.nsw.gov.au

Media Information:
24 hour Media Duty Officer: (02) 9898 1855
Incident Update Recorded Line: (02) 9898 1225
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Supt. Craig Geddes
Warringah Pittwater Rural Fire District
NSW Rural Fire Service

Business : 9450.3000
Mobile :     0417 265 173
Pager:       9430.6620
Email:       craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au

 
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:12:33 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires From: "Intentional Server 1" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Re: aus-wx: Fires Yep
very high evap levels. - fires in Sydney's west were showing the fickle winds and the effects of the airflows off the ranges. On the fire scene the winds were  NW, WNW and SW with strong squals. At on stage the gusts swung right around to be SSE at about 35kts ...great shots and effcts for the live cross but a little unsettling to feel the heat.

Total Fire Ban tomorrow
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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:58


Hi Tim,
I think there are about 3 near Kurri, Weston and out near Greta.  The have been burning most of the day.  Fire engines are still going out to them.
 
Carolyn
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Grugeon <mailto:timg at cnn.net.au>  
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%

Hi All,
 
Currently there is three large bushfires that are visible from my place in the lower Hunter. There is one near Kurri Kurri, Karuah and the other appears to be near Mt Sugarloaf. There is some pyro Cu's about due to the fire. The current winds are blowing from the WNW at 28kts, temp is 32°C, RH just 10% and DP is -2°C. As a result from these conditions, the evaporation levels are very high!!! It has been a while since we have experienced such conditions around this area. The drying conditions can be noticed by the paddocks. It appears as though the grass has been scorched since this morning.
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:20:49 +1100 From: Matthew Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Line? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep I would also say seabreeze finally penetrating after the NW winds dominated all day. Matt Smith Peter Creswick wrote: > Looks like penetration of the sea breeze. > > David Findlay wrote: > > > Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western > > half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern > > side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? > > YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there > > was a line of some sort of front passing through. > > > > David > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p337-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.141.83] claimed to be jimmy.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:12:32 +1100 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Before others reply, there is a mistake on the date so perhaps people need to fix that up!!!! 30th October it should read. Jimmy Deguara At 04:48 PM 29/10/2001 +1100, you wrote: >For information to all - Craig > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >TOTAL FIRE BAN > >The Commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service has declared a Total Fire >Ban in the following Weather Forecast Districts: > >Metropolitan, Hunter, North West Plains and Northern Rivers Weather Regions > >The weather forecast for this area is very high temperature, low humidity >and moderate to strong winds. These conditions are conducive to fire >activity and the community is urged to take particular care. > >Fire danger in this area will be extreme or approaching extreme. >The Total Fire Ban will become effective from midnight TONIGHT for the 24 >hours of Tuesday, October 20, 2001 > >During a Total Fire Ban no fire of any kind may be lit in the open. This >includes incinerators and barbecues which burn solid fuel, e.g. wood or >charcoal. You may use a gas or electric barbecue, but only if...... > * It is on residential property within 20m of the house or dwelling; > * It is under the direct control of a responsible adult; > * The ground around the barbecue is cleared for 3m of all material > which could burn; > * You have a continuous supply of running water. >"There is a very real danger of high fire activity in this area. I urge >the community to take extreme care and be particularly diligent during >this dangerous period." Commissioner Koperberg said. > >For more information or interviews regarding fire danger & fire safety: >Duty Media Officer 02 9898 1855 > >John Winter >Director, Corporate Communications >NSW Rural Fire Service >Phone: (02) 8845 3515 / (0414) 533 133 >Facsimile: (02) 9638 4671 >Email: john.winter at bushfire.nsw.gov.au > >Media Information: >24 hour Media Duty Officer: (02) 9898 1855 >Incident Update Recorded Line: (02) 9898 1225 >----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Visit the RFS website at www.rfs.nsw.gov.au >Get RFS NewsFlash Email News Alerts - email to >NSWRFS-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > >Supt. Craig Geddes >Warringah Pittwater Rural Fire District >NSW Rural Fire Service > >Business : 9450.3000 >Mobile : 0417 265 173 >Pager: 9430.6620 >Email: craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au > ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: smtp3.ihug.com.au: Host p211-apx1.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.140.211] claimed to be ihug.com.au Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 23:41:25 +1100 From: Peter Creswick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Line? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com PS, I also cheated, I was outside when it came through. Matthew Smith wrote: > Yep I would also say seabreeze finally penetrating after the NW winds dominated all > day. > > Matt Smith > > Peter Creswick wrote: > > > Looks like penetration of the sea breeze. > > > > David Findlay wrote: > > > > > Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western > > > half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern > > > side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? > > > YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there > > > was a line of some sort of front passing through. > > > > > > David > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: RE: aus-wx: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:35:49 +1100 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: aus-wx: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Thread-Index: AcFgdlFKQq65+HnTSZCpFGmkkibmGwAKdW7w From: "Craig Geddes" To: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id MAA16618 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry Guys and Gals about the date ! I will let our Media people know to be a bit more careful. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Deguara [mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au] Sent: Monday, 29 October 2001 23:13 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: TOTAL FIRE BAN TUESDAY Before others reply, there is a mistake on the date so perhaps people need to fix that up!!!! 30th October it should read. Jimmy Deguara At 04:48 PM 29/10/2001 +1100, you wrote: >For information to all - Craig > > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >TOTAL FIRE BAN > >The Commissioner of the NSW Rural Fire Service has declared a Total Fire >Ban in the following Weather Forecast Districts: > >Metropolitan, Hunter, North West Plains and Northern Rivers Weather Regions > >The weather forecast for this area is very high temperature, low humidity >and moderate to strong winds. These conditions are conducive to fire >activity and the community is urged to take particular care. > >Fire danger in this area will be extreme or approaching extreme. >The Total Fire Ban will become effective from midnight TONIGHT for the 24 >hours of Tuesday, October 20, 2001 > >During a Total Fire Ban no fire of any kind may be lit in the open. This >includes incinerators and barbecues which burn solid fuel, e.g. wood or >charcoal. You may use a gas or electric barbecue, but only if...... > * It is on residential property within 20m of the house or dwelling; > * It is under the direct control of a responsible adult; > * The ground around the barbecue is cleared for 3m of all material > which could burn; > * You have a continuous supply of running water. >"There is a very real danger of high fire activity in this area. I urge >the community to take extreme care and be particularly diligent during >this dangerous period." Commissioner Koperberg said. > >For more information or interviews regarding fire danger & fire safety: >Duty Media Officer 02 9898 1855 > >John Winter >Director, Corporate Communications >NSW Rural Fire Service >Phone: (02) 8845 3515 / (0414) 533 133 >Facsimile: (02) 9638 4671 >Email: john.winter at bushfire.nsw.gov.au > >Media Information: >24 hour Media Duty Officer: (02) 9898 1855 >Incident Update Recorded Line: (02) 9898 1225 >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ > >Visit the RFS website at www.rfs.nsw.gov.au >Get RFS NewsFlash Email News Alerts - email to >NSWRFS-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > >Supt. Craig Geddes >Warringah Pittwater Rural Fire District >NSW Rural Fire Service > >Business : 9450.3000 >Mobile : 0417 265 173 >Pager: 9430.6620 >Email: craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au > ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Line? Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:39:28 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:41, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Peter Creswick asserted this: > PS, I also cheated, I was outside when it came through. > > Matthew Smith wrote: > > Yep I would also say seabreeze finally penetrating after the NW winds > > dominated all day. Wow. That's amazing to be able to see that on a computer program so easily. I was just wondering though, aren't the barbs supposed to point the same direction as a wind sock would in the winds? I'm just wondering if there's a bug in WxProfiler, but of course I could be wrong. :-) David P.S. How are you going with WxProfiler, Andrew? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:18:42 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I think the light rain we are already getting may be from it. It certainly is a long band. Of great interest at the moment is the Tropical Cyclone (TD 15L) formed over land in Nicaragua, predicted to be inland for the next several positions but which might well threaten Florida in a week or so. It is just unusual to see the US Navy going full bore on all their cyclone products for a system that is overland. However, its cloud system already covers most of Central America as well as the whole Western Caribbean, so we could well see a major relocation in the next hours. I have a bunch of links for those who like to follow it on my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "clyve herbert" To: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:06 +1100 Subject: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. > Hi sub tropo's (and Phil!) > Have you checked the length of a mid and upper cloud band developing > along > the sub tropical jet extending from the Bay of Bengal all the way > across > China and off across the Pacific then north-eastward to the near > Arctic! > not bad one of the longest I have seen,looks as though Hong Kong will > miss > this one too Phil , regards Clyve H. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > + > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > - > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Subject: Re: aus-wx: dryline (late submission) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com (Aussie Weather) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:51:42 +1100 (EDT) From: h.richter at bom.gov.au (Harald Richter) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, David Findlay wrote: > > > Is there a dry line passing central sydney now? On WxProfiler the western > > half of sydney is very dry, and the winds are from the east. In the Eastern > > side of sydney it's very moist and winds are westerly. Is this a dry line? > > YSCN has a RH of 34% but HOLS has a RH of 71%. You can almost see as if there > > was a line of some sort of front passing through. > > > ... then a certain PhD student wrote afterwards: > > Yeah, I noticed this in the Sydney obs as well, although I think you have > the wind directions switched around. The eastern side has more moisture > with an easterly flow, which is probably the sea breeze. On the western > side the wind has a westerly component and is much drier. Without having seen the original obs, I agree with the list's consensus that a seabreeze has worked its way inland against a (weakening?) larger-scale westerly surface flow. Such a "dryline" would then be a sea breeze front. Robert G. Fovell at UCLA is doing some interesting research on what a sea breeze front can do when it intersects Horizontal Convective Rolls (a boundary layer instability mode). The "classic dryline" is a larger-scale confluence zone (2 airstreams coming together, then running alongside each other) between a drier continental airmass and a more humid (tropical) maritime airmass. The original definition was specific to the Southern Plains dryline of the U.S., 500-1000 km away from the nearest coast. Such a dryline is presently draped across NE QLD, but its identification is limited by the large distances between surface observation sites. Harald -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Harald Richter BMRC PO Box 1289K Melbourne VIC 3001 Australia ph: +61 3 9669 4501 fax: +61 3 9669 4660 email: h.richter at bom.gov.au url: http://www.bom.gov.au/bmrc/wefor/wfstaff/hrichter.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane-wx Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:10:47 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000005A7569AC5CB8D1119D3C0000E8300C9E44C63A00 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, Hot & Dry in Brisbane, 34.7C Max at Mt. Crosby yesterday, and already at 32C by 9:30am this morning. Looking for a max out there today around 38C I think. Yesterday's sounding looked hopefull with an LI of -4.5 and surface temps around 33C+ but the cap was too good. Nice congesting Cu over the Brisbane valley this morning, looks a bit more encouraging and DP's are a bit higher. John. Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\winmail.dat" From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: dryline (late submission) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:34:05 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:51, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Harald Richter asserted this: > Without having seen the original obs, I agree with the list's consensus > that a seabreeze has worked its way inland against a (weakening?) > larger-scale westerly surface flow. Such a "dryline" would then be a sea > breeze front. Robert G. Fovell at UCLA is doing some interesting research > on what a sea breeze front can do when it intersects Horizontal Convective > Rolls (a boundary layer instability mode). Okay thanks. When the moist sea breeze hits the dry westerly, would the moist air rise, creating clouds or possibly storms? Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:22:28 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Re: aus-wx: Fires
The Byram-Keetch drought index (used to measure fire danger or fuel ratings) at my place is now over 105mm (out of a possible 208).
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires

Yep
very high evap levels. - fires in Sydney's west were showing the fickle winds and the effects of the airflows off the ranges. On the fire scene the winds were  NW, WNW and SW with strong squals. At on stage the gusts swung right around to be SSE at about 35kts ...great shots and effcts for the live cross but a little unsettling to feel the heat.

Total Fire Ban tomorrow
Brian Wilson

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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:58


Hi Tim,
I think there are about 3 near Kurri, Weston and out near Greta.  The have been burning most of the day.  Fire engines are still going out to them.
 
Carolyn
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Grugeon <mailto:timg at cnn.net.au>  
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:15 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fires in the Lower Hunter, RH just 10%

Hi All,
 
Currently there is three large bushfires that are visible from my place in the lower Hunter. There is one near Kurri Kurri, Karuah and the other appears to be near Mt Sugarloaf. There is some pyro Cu's about due to the fire. The current winds are blowing from the WNW at 28kts, temp is 32°C, RH just 10% and DP is -2°C. As a result from these conditions, the evaporation levels are very high!!! It has been a while since we have experienced such conditions around this area. The drying conditions can be noticed by the paddocks. It appears as though the grass has been scorched since this morning.
 
Tim Grugeon
Maitland, NSW
http://www.hunterweather.com

X-Originating-IP: [141.132.11.4] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: ASWA Vic meeting reminder Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:18:55 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 05:18:56.0300 (UTC) FILETIME=[5F7DE6C0:01C16102] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sorry folks I won't be able to go because I'm playing cricket cheers Les Ballarat Weather Oh and it's winter again, cold wet and showery >From: "Jane ONeill" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: "Aussie-wx" >Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Vic meeting reminder >Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:12:21 +1000 > >Just a quick reminder for those of you organising your weekends..... > >Details of the next meeting of ASWA Victoria >Where: meeting room of the Pancake Parlour, Doncaster Road, Doncaster >When: Saturday 3rd November starting at ~8.30am with breakfast & >bragging, photos & the occasional tornado video!! > >Full agenda will be emailed on Tuesday night. > >Jane > >-------------------------------- >Jane ONeill - Melbourne >cadence at stormchasers.au.com > >Paul Yole - Murtoa >pyole at australia.edu > >ASWA - Victoria >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >-------------------------------- > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Andrew Godsman" To: Subject: aus-wx: My Web Page Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 16:52:00 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi list,
 
Finally, after many false starts, lots of planning/procrastinating, and then time questioning how it looked, etc, I have uploaded my first attempt at a webpage to:
 
 
Please feel free to have a squiz and pass any criticisms or comments my way. I have just used Microsoft Publisher to construct the page, and I hope it is only the beginning. I will gradually add some more images and reports to the page, along with constructing a photo album. Any tips will be much appreciated, and I'd like to add links to others' personal pages who use this list. Please let me know if you have any serious objections to this. Oh, and I hope the page isn't too slow to open or anything like that.
 
Cheers
Andrew Godsman
 
From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: My Web Page Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:12:41 +1100 Organization: SIMONS Thunder Down Under 2001 (www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001) X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 06:13:41.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[057697F0:01C1610A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Very Good first Attempt ther andrew,
With a bit more time you will be able to develop it more.
 
On a side Note My Webpage will under go somemore development over the next few days as i have got the time to do it.
Some new photos of that severe storm on 3/10/01 and some pics from last friday, where the convection really tried to start but alas NOTHING, still it should be worthwhile to look at them. Also a new Structure will be written to be more like http://www.australiasevereweather.com/ with its format (picture gallery, storm reports. Rather than the way it it now)
 
Simon Angell
Canberra ACT
www.geocities.com/simons_tdu2001/
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: aus-wx: My Web Page

Hi list,
 
Finally, after many false starts, lots of planning/procrastinating, and then time questioning how it looked, etc, I have uploaded my first attempt at a webpage to:
 
 
Please feel free to have a squiz and pass any criticisms or comments my way. I have just used Microsoft Publisher to construct the page, and I hope it is only the beginning. I will gradually add some more images and reports to the page, along with constructing a photo album. Any tips will be much appreciated, and I'd like to add links to others' personal pages who use this list. Please let me know if you have any serious objections to this. Oh, and I hope the page isn't too slow to open or anything like that.
 
Cheers
Andrew Godsman
 
From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Subject: aus-wx: Fires and Bans Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:03:31 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com After a day of fighting fires, I found out that in the Greater Taree area, all fire permits have been suspended and it sounds as though there is a fire ban for most of NSW tomorrow. Max temp here today was 34c. ----------------------------------- Glen O'Riley www.linx.iwarp.com Storm Chaser ACREM Member NSW State Emergency Services Member NSW Rural Fire Service Member Computer Technician Rail/Computer/Electronic Enthusiest ------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:35:49 +1100 From: Chas & Helen Osborn Organization: UniDial Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Australian Weather Mailing List Subject: aus-wx: help - xplanet for windows Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Everyone Has anybody got xplanet to work with windows? I have downloaded it and it puts the map on the desktop but nothing else happens. Chas Strahan Tasmania +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Tasman Sea activity Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:06:43 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Evening all, There is a trough crossing the Tasman Sea, warm advection from the NW at 850hPa, and the area is (correct me please) the right exit of the sub-tropical jet........have a look at this image!!! http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Oct01/GOES08322001303I9sSI3.jpg Could someone please tell us what is happening & the dynamics behind it? Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Leopold Tornado Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:22:05 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Leopold Tornado - Discussion, Comments & Analysis page has been updated with a question from Bill Hark (USA) http://www.stormchasers.au.com/0310discussion.htm Thoughts? -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Findlay Organization: Davsoft To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: help - xplanet for windows Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:42:27 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:35, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Chas & Helen Osborn asserted this: > Hello Everyone > > Has anybody got xplanet to work with windows? I have downloaded it and > it puts the map on the desktop but nothing else happens. Okay, that's what it's supposed to do. :-) I assume that you want to do a similiar thing to my desktop display. You will need a program to download the wx data. I use a perl script, but that may be a bit difficult in windows. Maybe someone who knows Windows programming could knock one up? Anyway If someone wants to see my program, give me an email and I'll send it and it's data file through to you. You will have to edit the command line options to get it to display whatever sort of globe you want. The commands are listed on the website. To get the clouds you will need to set up a scheduled job to download the clouds background file every three hours from the Xplanet website. XPlanet can then display the clouds on the globe. David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:46:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 09:46:20.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA793910:01C16127] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Phil Is a numbered tropical depression a tropical cyclone (as we Aussies know it) ? I suspect not given the way the US categorises its storms. My interest is that we have two new potential names to officially add to the history of US storms with midget TS Lorenzo (replacing Luis) and a potential Michelle in the TD you note (replacing Marilyn). I find the six year repetition cycle of names very tedious when we have such a wealth of names to use. Perhaps even more tedious than the array of potential typhoon fruit, vegetables and favourite dishes that now menace the western northern Pacific. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. > I think the light rain we are already getting may be from it. It > certainly is a long band. > > Of great interest at the moment is the Tropical Cyclone (TD 15L) formed > over land in Nicaragua, predicted to be inland for the next several > positions but which might well threaten Florida in a week or so. It is > just unusual to see the US Navy going full bore on all their cyclone > products for a system that is overland. However, its cloud system > already covers most of Central America as well as the whole Western > Caribbean, so we could well see a major relocation in the next hours. > I have a bunch of links for those who like to follow it on my page at > http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > Phil > <>< > > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk > Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk > Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "clyve herbert" > To: > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:05:06 +1100 > Subject: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. > > > Hi sub tropo's (and Phil!) > > Have you checked the length of a mid and upper cloud band developing > > along > > the sub tropical jet extending from the Bay of Bengal all the way > > across > > China and off across the Pacific then north-eastward to the near > > Arctic! > > not bad one of the longest I have seen,looks as though Hong Kong will > > miss > > this one too Phil , regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > > your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au----------------------------- > > - > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hot Hot - Dry - Hot in Brisbane Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:28:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2001 09:28:43.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[4474E400:01C16125] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Very hot today in Brisbane - suspect a few October records may have been broken. I understand it was up to 37 degrees on the Sunshine Coast today and a very hot 34 degrees here in Bayside, Cleveland after 4.30pm. That sort of temp is very rare in Cleveland (even in Nov, Dec, and Jan due to our sea breezes). Anyone got some temp records to report ? Regards Simon +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: " Craig Arthur" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: dryline (late submission) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:20:01 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, That's right. The sea breeze front is sometimes marked by a line of small cumulus. It is possible form storms to develop long the sea breeze front, but you need an unstable atmosphere. The front just act as a convergence line. This will generally lead to small storms riding the front slowly inland, but if upper winds are strong enough, the cells can be pushed back seawards, breaking the inversion created by the sea breeze and taking off due to increased moisture) or dying off (due to lack of warm air to maintain convection). I haven't had a chance to look through Monday's obs, but certainly Sunday was a great sea breeze day. Light westerly till about 2pm then a 180 degree shift to an easterly coming in at 15 kts and building to 20 kts a bit later. I had a great 2 hour sail on Botany Bay in near-perfect conditions. :D Craig Arthur -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Findlay Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 12:34 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: dryline (late submission) On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:51, thousands of scientists watched in disbelief as Harald Richter asserted this: > Without having seen the original obs, I agree with the list's consensus > that a seabreeze has worked its way inland against a (weakening?) > larger-scale westerly surface flow. Such a "dryline" would then be a sea > breeze front. Robert G. Fovell at UCLA is doing some interesting research > on what a sea breeze front can do when it intersects Horizontal Convective > Rolls (a boundary layer instability mode). Okay thanks. When the moist sea breeze hits the dry westerly, would the moist air rise, creating clouds or possibly storms? Thanks, David +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 22:09:37 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.1 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com A Tropical Depression that gets a number from the US military is already a bona fide tropical cyclone. BoM uses the term "Tropical Low" to refer to a similar sort of storm. Both US and BoM give names at 35 Knots, but they have different methods of measuring the 35 Knots. At 35 Knots the US call it a "Tropical Storm" while BoM calls it a "Tropical Cyclone Cat 1" Regarding all the fruit and vegies blowing across the NWP, I think everyone here would love to go back to using "real" names, but it is politically impossible. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Clarke" To: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:46:29 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sub tropo stuff,NH. > Phil > > Is a numbered tropical depression a tropical cyclone (as we Aussies > know it) > ? I suspect not given the way the US categorises its storms. > > My interest is that we have two new potential names to officially add > to the > history of US storms with midget TS Lorenzo (replacing Luis) and a > potential > Michelle in the TD you note (replacing Marilyn). I find the six year > repetition cycle of names very tedious when we have such a wealth of > names > to use. Perhaps even more tedious than the array of potential typhoon > fruit, > vegetables and favourite dishes that now menace the western northern > Pacific. > > > > Regards > Simon > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fires and Bans Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 06:55:56 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Glen fires are still going around Cessnock and have been for 3 days. Rain needed but doubt that that is going to happen. Temp yesterday was lower about 27 and the same forecast for today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen O'Riley" To: "Aussie Weather List" Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: aus-wx: Fires and Bans > After a day of fighting fires, I found out that in the Greater Taree area, > all fire permits have been suspended and it sounds as though there is a fire > ban for most of NSW tomorrow. Max temp here today was 34c. > > ----------------------------------- > Glen O'Riley > www.linx.iwarp.com > Storm Chaser > ACREM Member > NSW State Emergency Services Member > NSW Rural Fire Service Member > Computer Technician > Rail/Computer/Electronic Enthusiest > ------------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:52:12 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Hot - Dry - Hot in Brisbane Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon, Got to 37C here, as did the AP/CBD etc - some of the maxes occurred after 3pm. The AP was about 28C at 2:30pm, but 3:30pm it was 37C! Redcliffe got to 36C, which breaks the previous record of 34C (the 34C doesn't seem inline as the Sept record is 33.5C and Nov 40C...but that's what it has on the BoM site). AC Simon Clarke wrote: > > Very hot today in Brisbane - suspect a few October records may have been > broken. I understand it was up to 37 degrees on the Sunshine Coast today > and a very hot 34 degrees here in Bayside, Cleveland after 4.30pm. > > That sort of temp is very rare in Cleveland (even in Nov, Dec, and Jan due > to our sea breezes). > > Anyone got some temp records to report ? > > Regards > Simon > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dorrell's" To: Subject: aus-wx: wind Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:01:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Its fine sunny and warm 28 atm I hope it does'nt get as windy as the attachment. Keith. Buckendoon Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\aviso.jpg" From: "Peter Konnecke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: wind Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:33:41 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Where are you located ? Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorrell's" To: Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2001 11:01 Subject: aus-wx: wind > Its fine sunny and warm 28 atm I hope it does'nt get as windy as the > attachment. > Keith. > Buckendoon > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Hot - Dry - Hot in Brisbane To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:01:19 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Simon, > > Got to 37C here, as did the AP/CBD etc - some of the maxes occurred > after 3pm. The AP was about 28C at 2:30pm, but 3:30pm it was 37C! > Redcliffe got to 36C, which breaks the previous record of 34C (the 34C > doesn't seem inline as the Sept record is 33.5C and Nov 40C...but that's > what it has on the BoM site). > > AC > Haven't analysed things in detail yet, but where you have a climate where one or two events stand out above all others in the record, any station that wasn't open for those events will have anomalous extremes. As an example, Brisbane Airport's highest October temps (up until yesterday) were: 39.1 (1957) 36.7 (1958) 36.6 (1971) 35.3 (1979) so any station with a similar climate that wasn't open until after 1958 (or particularly until after 1971) would have a much lower record high than a station which was open at that time. 1958 is the standout October heatwave in the record in this region (except at a few coastal sites where 1957 was hotter). 1957 was a real standout at the airport - even Amberley 'only' got to 38.3. I doubt if too many sites with a sufficient length of record will have surpassed 1957/58 this year, but 2001 has claims to rank as the hottest event in Brisbane in October since then. Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:44:22 -0500 From: David Hart To: Subject: aus-wx: science report (fwd) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 30 Oct 2001 18:54:25 -0000 From: h5codyj at gaggle.net To: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Cc: h5codyj at gaggle.net Subject: science report hi my name is jordan and I am having trouble with my report it is on storm chasers can you please help if so please email the info and where you got the info to my email or just links i need the type of clothes a stormchaser wears the safety of a stormchaser and the education requirements of a stormchaser PLEASE HELP SINCERELY JORDAN CODY ---------- http://www.gaggle.net Safe email for students and teachers +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:24:57 +0000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Norman Lynagh Subject: aus-wx: Observations from Lae, PNG X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does anyone know if weather observations are made at Lae, PNG? If so, is there an archive available anywhere? They are missing from any archives I currently have access to. I would like to get hold of hourly obs (SYNOP or METAR) from Lae for 19th, 20th and 21st May 1999. In my days as a Weather Officer at Lae (a very long time ago!) SYNOPS were done every 3 hours and METARS were done hourly during the hours the airport was open. Has the system collapsed more recently? I have tried to contact the PNG meteorological service direct but the WMO Guide to Meteorological Services of the World doesn't list a fax number or e-mail address. It does give 2 telephone numbers but when I ring them all I get is Digital Dorothy saying "the number you have dialled has not been recognised". Does anyone have fax or e-mail contact details. Best wishes to everyone from a very summery late autumn in Pommieland. Norman =================================================================== Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy Chalfont St. Giles Buckinghamshire E-mail:norman at weather-consultancy.com England =================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:46:28 +1100 (AEDT) From: Jonty Hall To: aussie-weather Subject: Re: aus-wx: Observations from Lae, PNG (fwd) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Norman, I just tried to sent the following to your email address, and it bounced... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:42:32 +1100 (AEDT) From: Jonty Hall To: Norman Lynagh Subject: Re: aus-wx: Observations from Lae, PNG Hi Norman, I'm a forecaster with the Bureau of Meteorology in Brisbane. I can tell you one thing for sure, and that is we do still get at least SYNOPs from Lae, as they are plotted on our charts. Not too sure about METARs, but I can try and find out for you. I can also get you a contact number for the mets in PNG. Unfortunately you happen to have written just as I start a three day break! But I can get the info for you when I go back in on Saturday. If you get what you're after before then, no worries, but please drop me an email to tell me so. Cheers, Jonty. On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Norman Lynagh wrote: > Does anyone know if weather observations are made at Lae, PNG? If so, is > there an archive available anywhere? They are missing from any archives > I currently have access to. > > I would like to get hold of hourly obs (SYNOP or METAR) from Lae for > 19th, 20th and 21st May 1999. > > In my days as a Weather Officer at Lae (a very long time ago!) SYNOPS > were done every 3 hours and METARS were done hourly during the hours the > airport was open. Has the system collapsed more recently? > > I have tried to contact the PNG meteorological service direct but the > WMO Guide to Meteorological Services of the World doesn't list a fax > number or e-mail address. It does give 2 telephone numbers but when I > ring them all I get is Digital Dorothy saying "the number you have > dialled has not been recognised". Does anyone have fax or e-mail contact > details. > > Best wishes to everyone from a very summery late autumn in Pommieland. > > Norman > =================================================================== > Norman Lynagh Weather Consultancy > Chalfont St. Giles > Buckinghamshire E-mail:norman at weather-consultancy.com > England > =================================================================== > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: WX in Melbourne Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:54:08 +1100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 08:52:12 +1000 >From: Anthony Cornelius >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hot Hot - Dry - Hot in Brisbane With the terrible conditions being suffered by those to our north (HEAT/bushfires), it is noteworthy that the cool drizzly weather today in Melbourne caps a quite remarkable month of "miserable" weather in southern Victoria (particular the eastern half). In particular, for many stations in Melbourne's east, October will come in as one of the wettest Octobers on record (at least in 50 years). Among these, Scoresby with 51 years of records breaks it previous October record by ~15mm, as does Dunns Hill by a remarkable 110mm (though record is just 7 years long). Many stations in Melbourne's east easily exceeded 150mm for the month, with most stations near the ranges east of the city cracking the 200mm mark - Dunns Hill 246mm (an estimate, as one days obs were missed), Mt Dandenong (township) 241mm. My obs for Ferny Creek show 228mm. My back of the envelope estimate is that monthly rainfall totals of this magnitude are about a one in 2-5 year event for any month, and about 1 in 20-50 years for October. Still... these high values pale against October 1937 (can't say I remember it... maybe Blair does?), when rainfall in these same areas exceeded 350mm (and likely 400mm), only to be followed by the driest November in approximately 100 years. The progs hold out for a very pleasant weekend in Melbourne (mid 20s Saturday, higher 20s Sunday), then a return to cooler wetter weather next week. Some models (NOGAPS, ECMWF) are suggesting the possibility of further significant rain in the SE next week as the cloud over southern WA interacts with a substantial mid/upper level trough next week, but this is a long long way into the future. Regards, David PS Jane, had hoped to make it to this month's meeting, but something has cropped up and won't be able to make it. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: aus-wx: off topic - virus Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 17:57:58 +1100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Sorry for this, but I just got an email from a Danny Koutoulas and it is infected with the win32/SirCam virus.  I do not know this person, and this is about the only place that I could think that this email address is on.  I tried to email him and tell him but the email was returned due to his server being full.
 
Carolyn