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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:20:55 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Snapshot of the Buster

Hi all,

I have put an image of the temperature, wind direction, wind speed and
air pressure records for the last 24 hours from Lucas Heights at the
following address.

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~amiskelly/buster.gif

Fantastic snapshot of the Southerlay Buster!

Andrew.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:23:56 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Aren't the airport meteorologists using the Doppler radar by now to avoid 
situations like that ???

Michael


At 10:48 16/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>I went out to Cronulla to watch the buster come up the coast. It was
>interesting to see an Ansett Airbus very abruptly abort its final
>approach to one of the runway 34s at about the time the front would have
>hit the airport!
>
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 11:48:19 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Not sure. Sure enough, five minutes later they were taking off over me
rather than approaching! It did seem like a slightly inefficient way to
do things.

Andrew.

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> Aren't the airport meteorologists using the Doppler radar by now to avoid
> situations like that ???
> 
> Michael
> 
> At 10:48 16/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
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> >interesting to see an Ansett Airbus very abruptly abort its final
> >approach to one of the runway 34s at about the time the front would have
> >hit the airport!
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> >Andrew.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Not topical, but for those interested in climate change modelling.

Title:  An abrupt climate event in a coupled ocean–atmosphere
simulation without external forcing.
Subject:  Modelling of what happens to the atmosphere when a
significant invasion of cold water occurs in the ocean near Greenland,
and the dramatic effect it has on the region's climate.

Have a look at this:  It is one of the longest URL's ever.  Be careful
to get it all.

http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v409/n6817/full/409171a0_fs.html

Or get the full PDF file at:

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:56:20 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Hi Phil,

Essentially the amount of moisture in the air in front of the
advancing cold air.
When it is very humid, the uplifted air in front of the cold wedge
condenses and sometimes forms what looks like a cigar shaped roll
cloud, which was what I was hoping for, but it was very dry here
yesterday, so not much condensation at low level, so no roll cloud,
bummer.

Regards,
PC

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] *drool*

WOW! that was a beautiful picture of that thunderstorm. i can't wait for
our severe storm season to begin! :)

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TS develpping around QLD NSW border regions. Currently observing from 
Warwick humid weather with claming Easterly and good developemt to S 
and SW. Anvils and rear anvils also present and lots of heat haze.

Post more if anything happens

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Subject: [aussie-weather] monsoon trough and cyclone development

It's instructive,how this year (in ACT/NSW) the BoM are identifying the 
monsoon trough on the synoptic and prognostic chart.

Does anyone know whether the formation of cyclones is more likely to happen 
during the strengthening and consolidation phase of the monsoon trough's 
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trough phase?

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HI Michael,

Yes it is a national initiative (or directive as the Darwin BOM say!) of the
BOM to include the monsoon trough in their analysis charts.

The trough when in an active phase provides the right ingredients to aide in
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When its in a weak or "decaying" phase its just a pain in the ass!

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It's instructive,how this year (in ACT/NSW) the BoM are identifying the
monsoon trough on the synoptic and prognostic chart.

Does anyone know whether the formation of cyclones is more likely to happen
during the strengthening and consolidation phase of the monsoon trough's
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Joke

Hello everyone,
Helen found this one, hope you like it.
Chas,
Strahan Tasmania

During the first part of Autumn, the Indians asked their Chief if the
winter was going to be cold or mild. Not really knowing the answer,
the
chief replied that the winter was going to be very cold and that the
members of the village were to collect wood to be prepared.

Being a good leader, he then went to a phone booth, called the
National
Weather Service and asked, "Is this winter going to be cold?" The man
on
the phone responded, "Yes, this winter will be quite cold indeed."

Hearing that, the Chief went back to speed up his people in their
efforts of collecting wood so that they would be prepared for the
coming
season.

A week later he again called the National Weather Service and asked,
"Is
it going to be a cold winter?" "Yes," the man replied, "it's going to
be
a very cold winter."

The Chief goes back to his people and orders them to go and find
every
scrap of wood they can find. Two weeks later he calls the National
Weather Service again: "Are you absolutely sure, without a doubt,
that
this winter is going to be very cold?"

"Absolutely" the man replies, "the Indians are collecting wood like
crazy!"





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I am a new member of the group. I joined today. My name is Daniel 
Lester and I'm 19 and live in Tasmania (Hobart) though we may be 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW January Storms...

This is a reminder for those in Sydney who have forgotten.  Next 
Saturday is the 10th anniversary of the January 1991 storm that 
damaged the northwestern and northern suburbs of Sydney.  Damage 
estimates were around the $560 million mark making it one of the most 
costly storms in Sydney's history.  Its main features were large hail 
(to around 7cm), destructive winds (up to the 230 km/hr mark) and 
extreme rainfall.  Some stations recorded in excess of 30mm in 6 
minutes, setting records.  There will be a weatherwatch meeting at 
Macquarie University on wednesday, January 31 for those interest.
While on the topic of storms, tomorrow's trough in eastern NSW looks 
like one to watch for severe storms.
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:46:19 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Peter Creswick wrote:
>Hi Phil,
>
>Essentially the amount of moisture in the air in front of the
>advancing cold air.
>When it is very humid, the uplifted air in front of the cold wedge
>condenses and sometimes forms what looks like a cigar shaped roll
>cloud, which was what I was hoping for, but it was very dry here
>yesterday, so not much condensation at low level, so no roll cloud,
>bummer.

Dry yesterday? It was actually pretty humid, especially for a day with
temperatures over 40. Matt Smith noted that at one stage Quakers Hill had
an air temp of 42, and a dewpoint of 21!


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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:43:00 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Heatwave & Southerly Buster

Matthew,
How did you produce the graph ie with what software, and did the data
come from an automatic weather station of some kind?

Matthew Piper wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Well what a day its been. First extreme heat then I come home and get caught
> up in one of the strongest southerly busters I can ever remember. I was in
> the train at Penrith when it hit and dust, leaves, branches and other
> assorted crap was going everywhere. It was still windy when I got back to
> Blaxland and on monitoring my radio scanner found out that all hell had
> broken loose over the city with wires and trees down all over the place.
> There is also a 10 hectare fire not far from home which is still uncontained
> as I type.
> 
> The top temperature I recorded in Blaxland today was 43.8 at 3:55pm. This is
> the highest temperature I have ever recorded with the previous highest being
> around 43 in Dec 1994.
> 
> I have put up a graph of Blaxland's temperature and barometric pressure obs
> today.
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/eastcoastlow2000/January/Blaxland_Obs_15th_Jan_2001
> .gif
> 
> As you can see with the arrival of the southerly buster at 7pm there is a
> rapid fall in temperature and an equally rapid rise in barometric pressure.
> I havent included my wind data as I am protected from the south and
> consequently the obs just dont do the true wind speed justice.
> 
> Matthew Piper
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:46:43 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

At 5.30pm (Seven Hills) it was the same.

Ben Munro wrote:
> 
> Peter Creswick wrote:
> >Hi Phil,
> >
> >Essentially the amount of moisture in the air in front of the
> >advancing cold air.
> >When it is very humid, the uplifted air in front of the cold wedge
> >condenses and sometimes forms what looks like a cigar shaped roll
> >cloud, which was what I was hoping for, but it was very dry here
> >yesterday, so not much condensation at low level, so no roll cloud,
> >bummer.
> 
> Dry yesterday? It was actually pretty humid, especially for a day with
> temperatures over 40. Matt Smith noted that at one stage Quakers Hill had
> an air temp of 42, and a dewpoint of 21!
> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:31:32 +1030
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Hi Daniel,

Welcome to the list, any questions regarding the weather or anything just 
fire away...

I hope your stay on the list is a long an fruitful experience.

Regards

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>Lester and I'm 19 and live in Tasmania (Hobart) though we may be
>moving to the country 20 min from Hobart in a months time. I have a
>strong interest in the weather and trust that I can learn something
>here and at the same time keep you informed of unusual weather events
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:47:31 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Well, a dewpoint of 21C at 1015mb is about 15g/kg.
At 42C at 1015mb saturation is 55g/Kg.
So, humidity is 15/55 = 27.3%.
I would call that dry.


Ben Munro wrote:
> 
> Peter Creswick wrote:
> >Hi Phil,
> >
> >Essentially the amount of moisture in the air in front of the
> >advancing cold air.
> >When it is very humid, the uplifted air in front of the cold wedge
> >condenses and sometimes forms what looks like a cigar shaped roll
> >cloud, which was what I was hoping for, but it was very dry here
> >yesterday, so not much condensation at low level, so no roll cloud,
> >bummer.
> 
> Dry yesterday? It was actually pretty humid, especially for a day with
> temperatures over 40. Matt Smith noted that at one stage Quakers Hill had
> an air temp of 42, and a dewpoint of 21!
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G'day Adam + All, just a quick addition to Adams posting. The storms through
northern  NSW were indeed quite big around 5pm, with several tops in the
50000'+ bracket. Spotted several significantly overshooting tops and
backshearing anvils. These extended from south of Charleville to near
Stanthorpe. Hopefully things may indeed work out for SE Qld tomorrow.
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> TS develpping around QLD NSW border regions. Currently observing from
> Warwick humid weather with claming Easterly and good developemt to S
> and SW. Anvils and rear anvils also present and lots of heat haze.
>
> Post more if anything happens
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:01:17 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Wednesday outlook?

I noticed that the BoM are now going for chance of a storm in Sydney for
Wednesday (which will be today in a few minutes!), latest AVN (9pm) has the
following progged for 6Z:

Sydney Metro:
1500 J/kg CAPE 
-4 to -6 LI

Although the real winner is between Glen Innes and Kempsey...
2700 J/kg CAPE
-8 LI
500mb temp is -11
20-30% RH at 500mb
80-90% RH at 850mb

Not sure about the winds yet, I will check with the next AVN run in the
morning.

However, may I please quote the usual 'BRING IT ON'?  :)




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Yep, tomorrow certainly looks interesting for vast areas of eastern
Australia. I think Sydney definitely has the potential to go off, but it
will depend on what the cloud does overnight. If we wake up to clear skies
or at least clearing skies, then tomorrow afternoon is going to be one to
remember.

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:41:47 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

At 21:04 16-01-01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Ben,
>
>While others might disagree with me, I thought the Sydney PBL was dryish
>(although not hugely dry).  But I would not consider 20C DP's an
>accurate representation of the PBL moisture in Sydney yesterday.

Publishing and Broadcasting Limited?
Some kind of boundary layer I presume.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:56:57 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Guess who got sprung again!!!!!............

Hi All.

Guess who got sprung trying to sneak another media segment by without us
noticing!
?
<grin>
?
A hint - he tried it before with a TV appearance and I sprung him that time
as well!!!
?
<bigger grin>
?
Bet he has been sitting there at his computer watching the aus-wx emails
coming through and quietly growing in confidence he had managed to sneak
that one through without any of us finding out!
?
Until he sees this one that is!!!!!
?
<big cheezy grin>
?
Have the rest of you figured out who I am writing about yet?????
?
?
?
OK, enough of the games:

Caught an interesting radio segment a little before 6pm on ABC Brisbane 4QR
late this afternoon featuring - Anthony Cornelius - Storm Chaser - with
over 10 minutes of air time!

Actually, he did a great job, with some nice plugs for the ASWA, including
the website URL, and the Brisbane Storm Chasers website, plenty of
informative discussion of various aspects of storm chasing and severe
weather, including the value of good liason between storm chasers and the
BoM to allow severe thunderstorm warnings to be issued quickly and to add
to the knowledge base about severe weather.

All in all a very good segment!

Keep up the good work!

Regards,
Carl.



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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:04:58 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney Southerly Buster.

Hi Ben,

While others might disagree with me, I thought the Sydney PBL was dryish
(although not hugely dry).  But I would not consider 20C DP's an
accurate representation of the PBL moisture in Sydney yesterday.

AC

Ben Munro wrote:
> 
> Peter Creswick wrote:
> >Hi Phil,
> >
> >Essentially the amount of moisture in the air in front of the
> >advancing cold air.
> >When it is very humid, the uplifted air in front of the cold wedge
> >condenses and sometimes forms what looks like a cigar shaped roll
> >cloud, which was what I was hoping for, but it was very dry here
> >yesterday, so not much condensation at low level, so no roll cloud,
> >bummer.
> 
> Dry yesterday? It was actually pretty humid, especially for a day with
> temperatures over 40. Matt Smith noted that at one stage Quakers Hill had
> an air temp of 42, and a dewpoint of 21!
> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:30:22 -0000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] 'New' Meteorological Parameters 

Greetings to you all. This is my first posting. I have been a keen 
amateur in all things meteorological since the late sixties and I 
think that these groups are a fantastic thing.

What I have wondered for many years is why can't other 
characteristics of the weather be presented apart from the usual 
max/min temps, rain and wind data etc.?

When I lived in the Middle East I was very interested to note that 
the daily papers there always published, along with the usual weather 
stats, daily max and min HUMIDITY readings. I have never seen such 
figures in Australia or New Zealand.

Australian Bureau of Meteorology climate data always gives the 
highest minima and the lowest maxima for any period, whereas in New 
Zealand the weather office did (or does?) not. I wish I knew why 
because 'coldest day' and 'warmest night' data is always of interest 
to me.

I would also like to see data on the highest temperature during which 
rainfall of, say, one millimetre or more falls in a given place. In 
other words, how WARM can actual rain get sometimes?

And what about chilly but sunny days in December thru March? 
Forgetting the cold and cloudy summer days, it interests me how cool 
some of the sunny ones can be here in Melbourne, for example, given 
the huge amounts of solar radiation available at that time of year.

Conversely, of course, I wonder just how hot it can get without 
sunshine in the summertime? A few days ago, for example, Melbourne 
reached 36 degrees under a cloudy-to-overcast sky. I found that 
intriguing. This one would also be of interest in wintertime, of 
course.

I'm also interested in the percentage of rain that falls in still air 
compared to that which falls in windy conditions. There's a bit of 
weather lore in some places that says it can't (or won't) rain much 
when it's windy too. I know that's not always true, but is it even 
partially true?

The number of days per year when the normal diurnal variation is 
reversed, with maximum temps being recorded in the small hours and 
minimum temps being registered in the afternoon, would also be 
interesting to know about. Linked to this, figures on actual 
temperature RISES between sunset and sunrise would be noteworthy.

The highest temperature during which snow or snow flakes are observed 
to fall would be another one. (I remember once in NZ when, in very 
dry air, light snowflakes fell on me in a temperature of +7 degrees 
C!)    

There's probably a few more I haven't remembered, but maybe some 
other members might like to add their bit and/or comments too.

BILL LEES.


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Thanks for the welcome 

Hello
and thanks for the welcome , My name is Raechel , but i go by Red
I have only just found the group , and i am very pleased to have done so

I live in port hedland western australia , so we do get some severe weather 
up here , i have always had an interest in the weather , but since moving to 
western australia 3 years ago , to an area that has cyclones , i become even 
more interested ......
I don`t know much , but i am hoping to learn
thanks for having me
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Wednesday outlook?

The approaching jetstream is rapidly destabilising the middle levels 
over eastern NSW. Thunderstorms are likely to be numerous even if it 
remains fairly cloudy. If we so get the extra warming then severe 
storms look very likely.

--- In aussie-weather at egroups.com, "Pearce" <rpearce2 at b...> wrote:
> Yep, tomorrow certainly looks interesting for vast areas of eastern
> Australia. I think Sydney definitely has the potential to go off, 
but it
> will depend on what the cloud does overnight. If we wake up to 
clear skies
> or at least clearing skies, then tomorrow afternoon is going to be 
one to
> remember.
> 
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:48:53 +1100
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AVN has the upper trough dropping the 500 temps by 4 degrees from -10 to
-14 this evening over Syd Met/Hunter.
This would explain the -9 LI forecast this evening over the place....and
the Jet looks great !
Should be very interesting !!!
Woohoo !

Matt Smith

"The Weather Company Pty. Ltd. www.theweather.com.au" wrote:

> The approaching jetstream is rapidly destabilising the middle levels
> over eastern NSW. Thunderstorms are likely to be numerous even if it
> remains fairly cloudy. If we so get the extra warming then severe
> storms look very likely.
>
> --- In aussie-weather at egroups.com, "Pearce" <rpearce2 at b...> wrote:
> > Yep, tomorrow certainly looks interesting for vast areas of eastern
> > Australia. I think Sydney definitely has the potential to go off,
> but it
> > will depend on what the cloud does overnight. If we wake up to
> clear skies
> > or at least clearing skies, then tomorrow afternoon is going to be
> one to
> > remember.
> >
> > Matt
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Subject: [aussie-weather] MY Wedding Vs. Saturday!

This Saturday, I'm taking the vows!

I'm looking at the weather predictions for this Saturday and am wondering 
what people think it's gonna be like. I personally, don't mind it being too 
warm... but the "possible thunderstorms" will have to go. We'll be married 
in Kilsyth, Victoria (near the Dandenong mountains).

Anyone got any extra predicted details other than those displayed at the BOM 
site?
(ie:
Saturday
Mainly fine.                                Min 20    Max 36
)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 09:35:35 +1030
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Congratulations Simon, may you and your new wife have a happy and enjoyable 
stormy wedding :)

Nah seriously I hope the day turns out as well as ours did.

By the way I have no idea whats going to happen on Saturday :)

regards Andrew Wall



At 09:10 AM 1/17/01 +1100, you wrote:
>This Saturday, I'm taking the vows!
>
>I'm looking at the weather predictions for this Saturday and am wondering
>what people think it's gonna be like. I personally, don't mind it being too
>warm... but the "possible thunderstorms" will have to go. We'll be married
>in Kilsyth, Victoria (near the Dandenong mountains).
>
>Anyone got any extra predicted details other than those displayed at the BOM
>site?
>(ie:
>Saturday
>Mainly fine.                                Min 20    Max 36
>)
>
>Thanks!
>Simon "gonna have a ring on my finger" 
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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:49:05 -0000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] MY Wedding Vs. Saturday!

A Whirlwind Romance????

Back on group at last.

Les (UK)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:24:30 +0800
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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] Thanks for the welcome 

Welcome Red,

There are a few of us here in WA more so in Perth and surrounding areas.
Your local weathernut is JJ in Karratha. www.karrathaweather.org
He is nearly always on the chats in #weather and chases often. He regularly
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> and thanks for the welcome , My name is Raechel , but i go by Red
> I have only just found the group , and i am very pleased to have done so
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> I live in port hedland western australia , so we do get some
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] MY Wedding Vs. Saturday!

At 05:49 PM 1/16/01, you wrote:
>A Whirlwind Romance????
>
>Back on group at last.
>
>Les (UK)


Oh dear - that's a corny one.

Well Simon,

Remember, if you see a huge overhanging tower with enormous overshoot go up 
outside just as you're about to make your vows, before you jump into your 
car and leave the bride stranded, ask yourself whether the storm you chase 
will be worth the storm you'll face when you get back ;-)

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Hello all,

Wednesday 11.15 am - storm cell developing to the west of the Glasshouse
Mountains, SE QLD. I can see it from my back door. May be worth a check on
radar during the afternoon.

Perhaps a chase and some pics today.

Anyone coming up, let me know.

I will take some shots and put them up later. Here's hoping it's a good one!

0408 746696

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More cloudy weather for Wednesday with a high near 33ºF and some snow
flurries possible. Thursday will be cloudy and a few flurries or drizzle
possible. We are closely watching a possible storm for Friday and
Saturday. 

FACTOID: The Winter so far has been well below normal with temperatures
well below normal with precipitation (melted snow and rain) and above
normal for far with snow. 

TONIGHT: 
Mostly cloudy with a light wind and cool. Temp:  28ºF 

WEDNESDAY:
Cloudy with snow flurries and chilly.
Temp:  33ºF 

WEDNESDAY NIGHT: 
Mostly cloudy with snow flurries and cool. Temp:  28ºF 

THURSDAY: 
Mostly cloudy with a 30% chance of light snow or drizzle. Temp: 
36ºF 

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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW STA

Storms have very quickly developed on the ranges SW of Grafton and should 
track NE. I will be out chasing with Dave Ellem shortly (my mobile 0412 145 
710).

Jimmy is out on the Northern Tablelands somewhere (0408 020 468)

regards, Michael


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Issued at 1336 on Wednesday the 17th of January 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Tablelands
Northern Rivers
Mid-North Coast

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
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and very heavy rainfall.

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keep us posted. i'd be interested to hear what you guys see. since i am
in the united states with snow on the ground. :)

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Subject: [aussie-weather] high Queensland obs..

Certainly worth looking at the 3pm Queensland Bulletin today, as the
Queensland record
January high maximum temperature of 
48.0C	Birdsville	22 January, 1988 could be under very real pressure
(47C last two days
at Thargomindah Ap), with temperatures running a little ahead of yesterday. 
The all months record of 49.5	Birdsville	24 December, 1972 looks
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:59:15 +1000
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Hi all

A thunderstorm is situated on the Border Ranges WNW of Kyogle and is moving
roughly NE.  This *could* be the start of bigger things.

Oh yeah...the BoM just issued us an STA:

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
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PRIORITY
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
at 3:38pm EST on Wednesday the 17th of January 2001

for the South-east Coast district.

The Bureau of Meteorology advises people of the possibility of severe
thunderstorms with damaging winds and possible hail to pass across the
South-east
Coast district overnight.

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issued.

Updated information will be issued throughout the [6] on radio and will be
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Righto...might be time to get out of work-mode and into chaser-mode!!!

Regards

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Hi Folks

I've made a major change to the national weather extremes statistics
presented on each day's news page on Australian Weather News. This
section is now computer generated, and carries much more information
than before. 

The sections on heavy rainfall and peak wind gusts are the most
improved.

All 24 hour rainfall reports nationwide exceeding 50mm are now listed,
while the new "High short duration rainfall" section provides a very
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hours. It is drawn from over 20,000 observations received each day
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station network.

Winds likely to cause damage are now listed in the "Highest wind
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or more (gale force) is listed for each station. Monday's southerly
buster up the NSW coast gave this new section a real workout.

The automation of the National Weather Extremes makes it easier to
update with the all- important postal rainfall returns sent in to the
Bureau by over 5000 volunteer observers each month. I have found this
task impossible to do manually. Though these readings are not
available until a month or two after the event, they provide a
fascinating insight into locally heavy rainfall, and I don't think
most list members have access to them, or even know they exist. These
important readings, which have had very limited distribution in the
past, will now be available thanks to the Bureau of Meteorology's SILO
system and the new AWN program.

Place names are now listed with their area name, which will help users
who don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of Australian geography. A
quality control tag at the top of each day's National Weather Extremes
indicates what stage of accuracy and detail the data has reached. Take
care with early data -- the same programs that find extreme weather
values are also very good at picking up observer errors and AWS
malfunctions!

I hope to get the program working automatically soon, to make the
information available in real time. The real-time synoptic and AWS
observations are still available, but only have a one-week archive.
This new summary will stay in the daily archives, and I'll gradually
extend the information backwards in time.

Any comments on ways this section can be improved would be keenly
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 16:25:25 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] SE Qld STA

Hi All.

This one is growing very fast on the radar with 2 red areas in it, and
looks like it may head towards the Gold Coast.

Regards,
Carl.

>Hi all
>
>A thunderstorm is situated on the Border Ranges WNW of Kyogle and is moving
>roughly NE.  This *could* be the start of bigger things.
>
>Oh yeah...the BoM just issued us an STA:
>
>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>Queensland Region
>Brisbane Office
>
>PRIORITY
>SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
>Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
>at 3:38pm EST on Wednesday the 17th of January 2001
>
>for the South-east Coast district.
>
>The Bureau of Meteorology advises people of the possibility of severe
>thunderstorms with damaging winds and possible hail to pass across the
>South-east
>Coast district overnight.
>
>If severe thunderstorms develop then severe thunderstorm warnings will be
>issued.
>
>Updated information will be issued throughout the [6] on radio and will be
>available by telephone on
>1196 for the cost of a local call and on 1900 969 921 at 77 cents per
>minute.
>
>People in the threatened areas should consider what action they may need to
>take
>to prevent injuries and minimise damage if severe thunderstorms develop.
>
>
>--------------------------
>
>Righto...might be time to get out of work-mode and into chaser-mode!!!
>
>Regards
>
>James Chambers
>The Brisbane & SE Qld Storm Site
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)

Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that the
township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing reflectivity
in the 100mm/hr range...

STW in effect for the area between Rathdowney and the Gold Coast.




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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 18:36:36 +1000
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This storm has exploded to epic proportions visually from here - absolutely
amazing structure! There will no doubt be 1000 photos of this thing by the
end of the day

The severe storm that dissipated around Beaudesert before looked excellent
visually as well

There are 2 or 3 chasers around the Beaudesert area


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> Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that the
> township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing reflectivity
> in the 100mm/hr range...
>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] ~190mm/h rain rate and 44 knot winds at Casino (was Kyogle (7pm AEDT)


Casion has been slaughtered by a severe storm, with the AWS reporting a rain
rate close to 190mm/h and 44 knot wind gusts.  I can't get radar from either
the BOM or ASWA, but the storm that just crossed the NSW/QLD border appears
to be weakening, however more storms are going up as i write this email!

BRING IT
ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> This storm has exploded to epic proportions visually from here -
absolutely
> amazing structure! There will no doubt be 1000 photos of this thing by the
> end of the day
>
> The severe storm that dissipated around Beaudesert before looked excellent
> visually as well
>
> There are 2 or 3 chasers around the Beaudesert area
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:22 PM
> Subject: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
>
>
> > Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that the
> > township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing
reflectivity
> > in the 100mm/hr range...
> >
> > STW in effect for the area between Rathdowney and the Gold Coast.
> >
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] CASINO MONSTER!!!


Hi all!!
Well I’ve just gotten back from a HUGE storm at Casino in NE NSW. Went on 
the chase with Michael Bath so he can give you all the technical jargon 
later (as I’m new to this all) but I can tell you this. I was one big 
storm!!!!! The gust front was amazing and the structure was excellent. To 
the NE of this storm was another which was a supercell that had split. 
Anyway, we raced through Casino trying to avoid the storm but it was just 
too big and too quick!!! Initially we got hit with strong winds and rain but 
the rain got heavy even though we thought we were getting away. Debris from 
trees began falling and hitting the car! We stopped as we couldn’t see very 
far in front and then the real wind began! It was really gusting and then we 
heard the loud clangs of what turned out to be 5-7cm hail (poor MB’s car!). 
This ended up persisting for about 15mins. I jumped out of the car to get a 
hail stone before it melted too much which was a little silly as all the 
rain ended up in MB’s car! The wind at one stage began to lift the car. As 
the storm began to leave the damage was revealed! Trees down, powerlines 
down, even houses without rooves!!!! We stooped of to measure hail and check 
out the damage. One incredible storm! Here’s some pics with my cheapo digi 
but nothing really of the actually storm! Sorry for this very untechnical 
report but I’m sure Michael will fill you in.
Dave Ellem


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>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:08:56 +1000
>
>
>Casion has been slaughtered by a severe storm, with the AWS reporting a 
>rain
>rate close to 190mm/h and 44 knot wind gusts.  I can't get radar from 
>either
>the BOM or ASWA, but the storm that just crossed the NSW/QLD border appears
>to be weakening, however more storms are going up as i write this email!
>
>BRING IT
>ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just not TOO severe please)
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
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>
> > This storm has exploded to epic proportions visually from here -
>absolutely
> > amazing structure! There will no doubt be 1000 photos of this thing by 
>the
> > end of the day
> >
> > The severe storm that dissipated around Beaudesert before looked 
>excellent
> > visually as well
> >
> > There are 2 or 3 chasers around the Beaudesert area
> >
> >
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> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:22 PM
> > Subject: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
> >
> >
> > > Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that the
> > > township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing
>reflectivity
> > > in the 100mm/hr range...
> > >
> > > STW in effect for the area between Rathdowney and the Gold Coast.
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 21:13:57 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Interesting Sydney tonight

Hi all

Sorry for the duplicate email for those on both lists - I typed in the wrong
address before...

For those that may not be able to access Sydney radar at the moment, it is
looking very very interesting to the south of the city. Storms are rapidly
developing on the south coast and moving northwards, with heavy showers
developing all over the Illawarra. These are forming on the axis of a
secondary upper level trough, and are being aided by convergence of very
moist E/NE winds onto the NSW coast. In my opinion, and sorry to be the one
to have to do this again, this has been very poorly detected by the BoM, as
this upper trough has been on the cards for at least a day. Evening storms
were looking very likely to me since at least yesterday as in my email last
night. It is going to be a very interesting next few hours in Sydney town,
and I feel that some quite useful totals of rain will have amounted by this
time tomorrow.

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Constant lightning since about 10.00pm. We are talking flickering light type
stuff,  I have not seem stuff like this in years. Spoilt by a low cloud
cover. There are CG's in as I went for drive and saw plenty.

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Hi Michael.
The stratocu rolled in across Geelong at about 2000hrs,here at Leopold we
even got about 3 spots of drizzle!,so far our summer could be described as
hideous even he alto cu has been developing above 20,000ft.regards Clive H.
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> Constant lightning since about 10.00pm. We are talking flickering light
type
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> cover. There are CG's in as I went for drive and saw plenty.
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Large scale upper divergence.

Hi all tropoholics.
There is an interesting very large area of upper divergence (350 to 200hpa)
across northern WA tonight and moving westward,the low to mid convergence is
rather weak and disorganised at the moment,it will be interesting to see how
this area of upper divergence will react with any intensified lower level
convergence areas over open sea northwest of WA during the next 24 to 48
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Heyas,

Well a great night in Sydney. Has been the first widespread storm system of
the year here. Actually it is the first for awhile. The lighting as you
heard has been great. I have returned from a drive where i observed some
very strobey lighting and lots of mountain mist being sucked up into the
storm.
At Blaxland we have recieved a few downpours, at Matt said. I recieved some
pea size hail a few times, and it has been raining solidly for an hour.
Reports of 3-4cm hail have been drifting in on radio from the Ryde area from
an earlier storm. Looks like a thundery night ahead.
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> I have the scanner on, City police have traffic chaos re major
> flooding on Moore Park Road and lights are out and busses are stopped
> for some reason.  Sounds like they had a downpour.
> Despatcher calling for additional city east general duty and highway
> patrol cars to assist.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] SE Qld Thunderstorms

Hi all

What a brilliant day/night!!!!!!

Words can't express how good it was.

4pm: Left for Beaudesert - on the way a backsheared anvil on the Border
Ranges just got better and better and better
(here's a shot sent in to me:
http://www.bsch.au.com/seqstorms/photos2/170101/Picture%20016.jpg)
- south of Beaudesert I saw the rotating wall cloud and very fast upward
moving scud, numerous CGs
- soon in torrential rain - couldn't see;  hail up to 1.5cm - would have
been bigger by the sound other stones made on the car; winds about 45kn;
awesome rainbow; trees uprooted (as reported to me by Anthony C)
- storm weakened coming off the ranges

Met up with Anthony soon after and went to a back road watching the
activity - looked brilliant towards sunset...some weak activity cleared and
there it was - a chunky/crispy backsheared anvil over NW NSW (the Casino
cell).  The anvil exhibited signs of rotation.  Pics galore.
- this storm soon produced a brilliant lightshow with heaps of CAs and
several CGs.

At that time congestus was going up to the west and NW...

Soon lightning was apparent in that direction, and also the S, SSE, SE, ENE,
E, NE, N

A couple of hours later lightning was seen to the SSW (lightning was in
almost every other direction too) and soon the lightning overhead and to the
SSW increased to epic proportions.  Honestly, there wasn't a moment when
lightning was not occurring.  It was continuous.  I got word of a STW for
this line and as it got close I went to a servo at Beaudesert.

The magnificent shelf cloud was soon upon the area and winds steadily
increased from the SSW, but then it hit - torrential rain, small hail and
winds of at least 45kn once again.  I was undercover but the sideways-rain
soaked me instantly!  Flangs (damn close CGs) were occurring every 5-10
seconds.  After 8-10mins of this it eased off, but the awesome lightning
remained.  At this time my camcorder battery died and I went back out to try
some lightning stills.

All the way back home along the Mt Lindsay Highway there were
branches/leaves, and one stray dog which I luckily avoided :-)

Lightning is still occurring as I type this.  Wow what a day!

Hopefully a thousand piccies and some video captures soon in a huge yellow
pages-type chase report!

Regards
James Chambers

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] SE Qld Thunderstorms

Hi James, everyone

Just now (2:30am) i am sitting in my computer chair watching an electrical
storm go nuts about 15-20km's to my ENE.  In the last 5 minutes i have seen
half a dozen CLEAR AIR cg's from the very top of the storm striking the
ground well away from the storm itself.  Lightning frequency is around 1
every 1-2 seconds.

There is also another line of storms currently moving through Toowoomba
heading eastish - my view in the direction is poor, but i can see flashes up
to 3 times a second (strobing) and increasing

The electrical storm Jason Rainforest and i experienced near the Gold Coast
tonight cannot be explained in words.  The lightning was SO FREQUENT that it
was like daytime.  Mind blowing

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but some sleep would be nice BRING IT ON
ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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> Hi all
>
> What a brilliant day/night!!!!!!
>
> Words can't express how good it was.
>
> 4pm: Left for Beaudesert - on the way a backsheared anvil on the Border
> Ranges just got better and better and better
> (here's a shot sent in to me:
> http://www.bsch.au.com/seqstorms/photos2/170101/Picture%20016.jpg)
> - south of Beaudesert I saw the rotating wall cloud and very fast upward
> moving scud, numerous CGs
> - soon in torrential rain - couldn't see;  hail up to 1.5cm - would have
> been bigger by the sound other stones made on the car; winds about 45kn;
> awesome rainbow; trees uprooted (as reported to me by Anthony C)
> - storm weakened coming off the ranges
>
> Met up with Anthony soon after and went to a back road watching the
> activity - looked brilliant towards sunset...some weak activity cleared
and
> there it was - a chunky/crispy backsheared anvil over NW NSW (the Casino
> cell).  The anvil exhibited signs of rotation.  Pics galore.
> - this storm soon produced a brilliant lightshow with heaps of CAs and
> several CGs.
>
> At that time congestus was going up to the west and NW...
>
> Soon lightning was apparent in that direction, and also the S, SSE, SE,
ENE,
> E, NE, N
>
> A couple of hours later lightning was seen to the SSW (lightning was in
> almost every other direction too) and soon the lightning overhead and to
the
> SSW increased to epic proportions.  Honestly, there wasn't a moment when
> lightning was not occurring.  It was continuous.  I got word of a STW for
> this line and as it got close I went to a servo at Beaudesert.
>
> The magnificent shelf cloud was soon upon the area and winds steadily
> increased from the SSW, but then it hit - torrential rain, small hail and
> winds of at least 45kn once again.  I was undercover but the sideways-rain
> soaked me instantly!  Flangs (damn close CGs) were occurring every 5-10
> seconds.  After 8-10mins of this it eased off, but the awesome lightning
> remained.  At this time my camcorder battery died and I went back out to
try
> some lightning stills.
>
> All the way back home along the Mt Lindsay Highway there were
> branches/leaves, and one stray dog which I luckily avoided :-)
>
> Lightning is still occurring as I type this.  Wow what a day!
>
> Hopefully a thousand piccies and some video captures soon in a huge yellow
> pages-type chase report!
>
> Regards
> James Chambers
>
> http://www.qldstorms.com
> The Brisbane & SE Qld Storm Site
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Interesting Sydney tonight

Yes Matt, it is surprising that this was the outlook just before 6pm:

IDF77N00
GREATER SYDNEY WEATHER SERVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 5:43pm on Wednesday the 17th of January 2001
TEXT REVISED HOURLY BETWEEN 6AM AND 7PM

WARNINGS:
Nil

WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW:
Cloudy .Radar shows areas of light showers over Blue Mountains. 
Moderate to
fresh northeasterly winds on the coast, light and variable inland.

CURRENT WEATHER DETAILS:
Weather
City Cloudy, but dry.
Mascot Cloudy, but dry.
Richmond Cloudy, but dry.
Bankstown Cloudy ,but dry.

Sea swell 1.3 metres from the southeast.

WEATHER FOR THE NEXT FEW HOURS:
Remaining cloudy . Moderate northeast winds on the coast, light 
inland. 


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> Hi all
> 
> Sorry for the duplicate email for those on both lists - I typed in 
the wrong
> address before...
> 
> For those that may not be able to access Sydney radar at the 
moment, it is
> looking very very interesting to the south of the city. Storms are 
rapidly
> developing on the south coast and moving northwards, with heavy 
showers
> developing all over the Illawarra. These are forming on the axis of 
a
> secondary upper level trough, and are being aided by convergence of 
very
> moist E/NE winds onto the NSW coast. In my opinion, and sorry to be 
the one
> to have to do this again, this has been very poorly detected by the 
BoM, as
> this upper trough has been on the cards for at least a day. Evening 
storms
> were looking very likely to me since at least yesterday as in my 
email last
> night. It is going to be a very interesting next few hours in 
Sydney town,
> and I feel that some quite useful totals of rain will have amounted 
by this
> time tomorrow.
> 
> Matt


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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:46:03 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Severe Hailstorm

Hi Everyone,

During the early hours of this morning a wild hailstorm carved a path of
damage through the SE suburbs of Redcliffe.   Hail up to TENNIS BALL size
was reported by several residents.  There was also evidence of very strong
winds and heavy rainfall.

One house has had ALL of its windows smashed.

I photographed 5cm hail myself, over 45 minutes after the hail fell !

I was at Caboulture when the storm struck, and the lightning was once again
mind blowing, with flashes and or strokes up to  3 times a second.




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> Alright, Severe tstorm warning for sydney now. Cells coming in from the
> east, south east all over the place now, getting some quite close bolts
here
> now, stuff to the south looks great, few big drops here now. Time to get
out
> the extra strong coffee beans again. Thanx heaps for those radar saves
> Anthony, BOM working for now,
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Redcliffe

I didn't have any large hail at my place, although at times it sound like
some small stuff was hitting the roof. As I was driving down Elizabeth ave
this morning I could definetly see a line where it went from a no damage
area, to one where there had been hail, thanks to the leaves on the road. I
also think there may have been a tornadic damage path about 100m long
crossing Elizabeth Avenue near the southern end of Clontarf Beach State high
School.

Note the branches down on the corner of the street nearby.

There was a lot of lightning strikes, some within 500m of my location.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] CASINO HAILSTORM & more hail

Hi all,

Just a brief note to say I experienced, along with Dave Ellem the most 
violent storm I can every remember yesterday afternoon at Casino in NE NSW.

We were chasing and were in an ideal position between the (soon to become) 
supercell coming up from the Clarence (to the S) and the splitting storm 
pair (identified by Jonty on radar) NW of us (likely another supercell). 
However our options were limited when this cell to our south developed into 
one of the largest I've ever observed, rapidly intensifying and spreading 
in a more northerly track from its original NE one. The guster on it was 
truly awesome, almost touching the ground over a 10km front from E to W. We 
tried to keep ahead of it, but it caught us and we were slammed on the 
cell's N then W flank from 6.10pm.  At first the winds were up to 50 knots 
from the S and SSW as the gust front ripped into town - we were very 
quickly heading north out of town at the time. Immediately branches, dust 
and debris hit our car following by intense bursts of rain. We stopped a 
few ks up the Summerland Way in an area free of trees because visibility 
was just so low - less than 5 metres at times. Hail then struck from the 
same direction, up to about 4cm at our location but with some larger stones 
I think. Lightning was very close, very hard to tell though - there were 
'flangs' but it was just so noisy from the intense rain and hail, the 
thunder was barely audible, just the flashes were glimpsed.

It was amazing how long the severe weather lasted. Over 15 minutes of 
intense bursts of rain and hail with winds now swinging to the NE and much 
stronger, over 120km/h I estimate with branches flying everywhere and some 
trees down, and visibility almost zero at times. We had edged S a bit 
hoping to get out of the cell sooner, but it seemed to last for ages and 
was quite scary at times. As Dave said it felt like the car was going to 
tip over at one stage. We did keep clear of large gum trees.

When it finally eased we drove south back into town and witnessed the 
devastation, with most of the houses in town affected by hail, water 
damage, roofs off or damaged by falling trees and limbs. There was roofing 
iron ripped off and wrapped around trees and other objects. We collected 
hailstones from a few locations and measured it as 6cm diameter. Reports 
this morning indicate hail up to 10cm fell nearby. On the eastern part of 
Casino, powerlines were down on the Bruxner Highway near where a house had 
its roof missing. We managed to pass the lines and return home though.

I'll provide much more detailed descriptions of the storm structure later 
with the photos, but needless to say it was a very large High Precipitation 
supercell.

During the evening another large area of storm activity spread in with 
another gust front about 9pm. Lightning was several per second. Rainfall 
rates have been huge from this with over 100mm at some Northern Rivers 
sites, but I don't know if any hail fell in this second storm.

This morning at 6.10am a cell shot up over my place at McLeans Ridges 
spitting out enormous raindrops and brief intense rain followed by 1-1.5cm 
diameter hail out the back as the storm edged ENE !!

regards, Michael

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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane area folks: QLD Storms later today??
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:47:01 +1000
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Hi Sel,

Indeed there was, lightning activity was observed all around Brisbane
all through the night, from 6:00pm to 6:00am.  Peak local activity
at Mt. Crosby was around 3:45am with a very impressive almost continuous
display overhead.  The kind of lightning you can read a book by.  A few
massive CG's just to complement the overall effect.

Only 13.6mm of rain though, which is rather less than I might have
expected in the circumstances.  I'm sure many other suburbs would
have done much better.  Most of the Gold Coast seemed to get 3 to
4 inches out the storms there.

Reckon we are on again this arvo.

John.
>snip

Hello all,

Wednesday 11.15 am - storm cell developing to the west of the Glasshouse
Mountains, SE QLD. I can see it from my back door. May be worth a check on
radar during the afternoon.

Perhaps a chase and some pics today.

Anyone coming up, let me know.

I will take some shots and put them up later. Here's hoping it's a good one!

0408 746696

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:07:16 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Damage reports now filtering in - nasty nasty storms

Hi Everyone,

For those interested, here are some stats on last nights storms

1 person was killed after walking on a live powerline, and 18 others have
been injured (most by hail i'm guessing?)

Approx 120 houses on the Gold Coast damaged by hail or strong winds.  Areas
suffering the most damage include Palm Beach, Nerang and Ashmore.

27 homes at Woody Point (SE suburb of Redcliffe) suffered hail damage.  One
of these houses, which i personally saw, had almost every single window
broken.  I spoke at length with the owners, and they were confident that the
hail was at least tennis ball size.  The house is right on the extreme SE
edge of Redcliffe, and going by radar i would think it's possible that
bigger hail was falling offshore, and they were unlucky enough to get the
edge of it.

23 homes in the Mt Nebo and Samford area suffered hail damage.  Hail size in
this area is unknown, but you would think it would have to be of a decent
size to damage houses!

A scattering of reports from Beenleigh, SE Logan and Beaudesert including
flooding, water entering houses and extensive tree damage.

Some photos i took of the hail at Woody Point this morning

http://bsch.au.com/temp/freezer2.jpg
http://bsch.au.com/temp/ruler.jpg

The max size there is 4cm.  I found plenty of 5cm stones, but in all the
excitement i managed to stuff up half the close up shots, like this one

http://bsch.au.com/temp/hail10.jpg

There are quite a few shots in this directory

http://bsch.au.com/temp/

Including a very nice shelf cloud on a hail storm around 7am this morning

Of course every man and his dog was out taking photos, and these will be
added or linked to from BSCH over the next few days as they come in



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Hi all.
A small tropical storm can be seen developing at  12 south 83 east (approx),
has some marked anticyclonic outflow on the western edge should move
southwest away from the Australian region, an area worth watching though is
the region west of Broome with a marked upper divergence field and a better
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Severe storms in Nthn NSW this week

Included below are two newspaper reports (from the 18/1/2001 Northern 
Daily Leader - Tamworth) on severe storms in Northern Inland NSW this 
week.

Rhett Blanch

Freak hail storm hits Nundle
Donna Hurley 
STORMS continued to threaten Nundle late yesterday as SES emergency 
workers worked to mop up from a wild downpour which took the town by 
surprise earlier that day. 

A quick call around to local residents revealed reports of broken 
branches, leaking rooves and heavy hail falls with stones measuring 
up to ten centimetres in diametre.

South Nundle resident Max Middlebrook said he has lived in the

community for 32 years and it was the worst he has seen.

"In a space of about 12 to 15 minutes the rain gauge reached 50 
millimetres.

"Boy did it rip it down, the wind with it was between 80 to 100 miles 
and hour.

"It bent our rows of corn growing out the back and the ground was 
fully covered in hail, it banked up to three and four inches in 
places," he said.

"To me, although only short lived, it was the most severe I've seen," 
he said.

Nundle SES deputy controller Joy Carr said the back door of the SES 
headquarters was blown in when the storm raged into the town at 
around 3.30pm.

"We've had some damage to rooves and water damage reported and there 
was a lot of hail which caused the roads to ice which on its own can 
be a problem.

"We've had about five reports of water getting into houses but 
another storm could be coming in it's still rumbling around out there.

"We're trying to secure rooves so water can't get in," she said.

Mrs Carr said the wind blew the rain in a horizontal direction and 
while the gauge read 27 millimetres she estimated considerably more 
had fallen due to observations of running water. 

Thunderstorms do damage
By Rhonda Turner 
A LIGHTNING and thunder spectacle in Moree and district on Tuesday 
night has acted as a timely reminder the region is in the midst of 
its severe thunderstorm season.

NorthPower spokesman John Sheather said the electrical storm, which 
originated near Inverell at 4pm before moving towards Moree and on to 
Goondiwindi, was the worst experienced in the region this season.

Mr Sheather said a number of customers had been left without power 
after the storm affected eight feeder lines, broke cross arms and 
sent conductors crashing to the ground.

Although only a few fallen trees were reported to the Moree State 
Emergency Service, Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) officer-in-charge at 
Moree Don Rooke said the storm had delivered 38 knot winds before 
shutting the office's weather system down.

Mr Rooke said determining the maximum wind speed produced was 
therefore impossible but high-speed winds, including up to 67 knots 
measured on January 6, had been recorded during recent storms in the 
area.

According to Moree-based BOM observer Daniel Hayes, the dramatic 
display peaked with welcomed rain shortly after 11pm.

Significant falls were recorded throughout the region including 50mm 
at Mungindi, 36mm at Croppa Creek, 35mm at Boggabilla, 31mm at Boomi 
and 30mm at Warialda. Unfortunately he said Moree received just 11mm 
for its pains.

The violent storm was also responsible for igniting two grass fires 
near the hamlet of Gurley south of Moree.

Moree Rural Fire Service inspector Matthew Smith said the Gurley Fire 
Brigade had attended both fires with a total of 25ha burnt out before 
the fires were extinguished.

Constable Michael Kelly of the Mungindi police said very strong winds 
had blown down some trees in the town with council spending most of 
yesterday removing debris left by the storm.

The BOM said the forecast for the north-west slopes and plains today 
was for isolated showers and thunderstorms mainly in the east. 

There was no mention of severe storms.


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STW just being issued as I write for cells developing to the northwest of
Brisbane and heading into the Sunshine Coast hinterland. Stay tuned...

Jonty.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:34:39 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Gold Coast Storms

Hi All.

As already mentioned by others, we had some ripper storms come through the
Gold Coast last night.

The afternoon one that started near Kyogle bypassed us here and died up
near Beaudesert somewhere, however the view S was quite spectacular, and
continued to become more so as light was fading - this was the storm
hitting Casino.

As the storms were closing in a little before 7, the lightning show was
truly spectacular, with lots of neat lightning fingers crawling over the
approaching clouds, and lots of ground strikes as it got closer.

About 7pm, the storm system seemed to divide, with large cells passing E
and W of us, but putting on a great show all the same, with lots of ground
strikes from both directions, many hitting within a km or so.

When this lot had all gone past it was obvious another lot was coming up
from the S.

By 8:30, the huge cloud mass spanning the southern sky was lit with
virtually continuous lightning and the thunder was an interesting mix of
continuous rumbles and thumps - the approaching storm was really firing up!

Soon, with it looking wierdly like fluctuating daylight outside and the
ongoing symphony of continuous noise, I could not resist the temptation,
and went outside into the driveway to have a last quick look at the sky
before it hit, and with the strong winds pouring out from under the storm
whipping the trees, what an awesome sight it was with a continuous display
of thousands of lightning fingers streaming up across the faces of the
cloud masses spanning the S and extending out along the overhanging anvil
well beyond overhead!

After an all too brief eyeball at this amazing light and sound show my
self-preservation instincts started to kick in and I thought that it might
be a good idea to get back into the house, and becoming aware I could feel
electricity in the air I started towards the house in rather a hurry, when
suddenly I saw a bright flash, felt the shock wave, and heard the really
loud crash - don't know what it hit but it seemed to somewhere in the
grounds of the neighbouring complex, possibly a metal light pole about 30
metres from our house - I just about did a power-dump in my pants and got
back into the house in record time!

Then the torrential rain arrived - I guess we had several inches in the
next 30 minutes - and the lightning show continued to be truly spectacular,
even though much of it was more in the nature of nearly continuous vista of
rose, orange, or blue coloured glowing areas through the rain, however
there were many nearby strikes I could see through the rain and afterwards,
with some hitting in the adjacent park and one really spectacular one that
hit a cyclone fence about 100 metres away between our complex and the park
- dozens of streamers seemed to be coming up from the fence area and
stretching hundreds of feet into the air and converging and the big one hit
the fence in the middle of it all with a huge crash.

At one point I looked out the main doorway of the house towards the
driveway, and suddenly there was a simultaneous flash and crash - I saw it
hit the metal street light pole right outside the house! (just about time
for another change of underdaks!)

There seemed to be at least 3 waves of thunderstorms in this last group, as
one lot was retreating N the next lot would arrive, continuing until around
10, and the retreating storms put on a great lightning show for a long time
afterwards.

I am sure the reports from the lads that went chasing in SE Qld will have
some interesting stories and some stunning images as they get them all
uploaded.

Regards,
Carl.



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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Severe storms in Nthn NSW this week

Hi Rhett and everyone

Myself and James Harris went chasing yesterday, and ended up at Quirindi
where we watched the first tower for the day explode and develope just
South of town. It developed and we chased it towards Nundle and arrived at
the town about 30 minutes after it had hit. Widespread hail drifts all
through town, and I commented to James how it was odd that hail cores
always seem to dump on a town in the middle of no where, and no where else
:P
Hail was found to 2cm, but no doubt  it was probably 3 or so before we got
there. (This is peanuts compared to what Michael Bath encountered!) Tree
litter was everywhere in the town, as to be expected. We also came across
severe microburst damage in some fields, with tree's snapped off  1/3 of
the way up, and many large branches down across fields and on the road we
were driving on. All were facing the same direction, hence the conclusion
of a microburst.

As we approached the storm we saw an awesome dust devil whip up on a dirt
area on the side of a road.It woould have been only 50 metres away. It
must have spun up as outflow gusting to 27 knots (measured with the
kestral) came across the town we were in at the time. Rotation was extreme
on the ground and would easily have done damage to tree's/house/whatever
if it had hit anything. No photos as it lasted about 10 seconds. doh !

Anyway im glad the upper trough came through like the models said last
night and gave some thunder and lightning to most area's, (not much rain
here in burwood, seems the storms mainly developed on the ranges around
the metro area.)

Ill write a more detailed chase report later for those that want to read
it.

Matt Smith
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com



rhett_blanch at mail.com wrote:

> Included below are two newspaper reports (from the 18/1/2001 Northern
> Daily Leader - Tamworth) on severe storms in Northern Inland NSW this
> week.
>
> Rhett Blanch
>
> Freak hail storm hits Nundle
> Donna Hurley
> STORMS continued to threaten Nundle late yesterday as SES emergency
> workers worked to mop up from a wild downpour which took the town by
> surprise earlier that day.
>
> A quick call around to local residents revealed reports of broken
> branches, leaking rooves and heavy hail falls with stones measuring
> up to ten centimetres in diametre.
>
> South Nundle resident Max Middlebrook said he has lived in the
>
> community for 32 years and it was the worst he has seen.
>
> "In a space of about 12 to 15 minutes the rain gauge reached 50
> millimetres.
>
> "Boy did it rip it down, the wind with it was between 80 to 100 miles
> and hour.
>
> "It bent our rows of corn growing out the back and the ground was
> fully covered in hail, it banked up to three and four inches in
> places," he said.
>
> "To me, although only short lived, it was the most severe I've seen,"
> he said.
>
> Nundle SES deputy controller Joy Carr said the back door of the SES
> headquarters was blown in when the storm raged into the town at
> around 3.30pm.
>
> "We've had some damage to rooves and water damage reported and there
> was a lot of hail which caused the roads to ice which on its own can
> be a problem.
>
> "We've had about five reports of water getting into houses but
> another storm could be coming in it's still rumbling around out there.
>
> "We're trying to secure rooves so water can't get in," she said.
>
> Mrs Carr said the wind blew the rain in a horizontal direction and
> while the gauge read 27 millimetres she estimated considerably more
> had fallen due to observations of running water.
>
> Thunderstorms do damage
> By Rhonda Turner
> A LIGHTNING and thunder spectacle in Moree and district on Tuesday
> night has acted as a timely reminder the region is in the midst of
> its severe thunderstorm season.
>
> NorthPower spokesman John Sheather said the electrical storm, which
> originated near Inverell at 4pm before moving towards Moree and on to
> Goondiwindi, was the worst experienced in the region this season.
>
> Mr Sheather said a number of customers had been left without power
> after the storm affected eight feeder lines, broke cross arms and
> sent conductors crashing to the ground.
>
> Although only a few fallen trees were reported to the Moree State
> Emergency Service, Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) officer-in-charge at
> Moree Don Rooke said the storm had delivered 38 knot winds before
> shutting the office's weather system down.
>
> Mr Rooke said determining the maximum wind speed produced was
> therefore impossible but high-speed winds, including up to 67 knots
> measured on January 6, had been recorded during recent storms in the
> area.
>
> According to Moree-based BOM observer Daniel Hayes, the dramatic
> display peaked with welcomed rain shortly after 11pm.
>
> Significant falls were recorded throughout the region including 50mm
> at Mungindi, 36mm at Croppa Creek, 35mm at Boggabilla, 31mm at Boomi
> and 30mm at Warialda. Unfortunately he said Moree received just 11mm
> for its pains.
>
> The violent storm was also responsible for igniting two grass fires
> near the hamlet of Gurley south of Moree.
>
> Moree Rural Fire Service inspector Matthew Smith said the Gurley Fire
> Brigade had attended both fires with a total of 25ha burnt out before
> the fires were extinguished.
>
> Constable Michael Kelly of the Mungindi police said very strong winds
> had blown down some trees in the town with council spending most of
> yesterday removing debris left by the storm.
>
> The BOM said the forecast for the north-west slopes and plains today
> was for isolated showers and thunderstorms mainly in the east.
>
> There was no mention of severe storms.
>
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Nundle has been the unluckiest little town in the middle of nowhere 
for the past few months, hammered by the storm this week and nearly 
washed away in November. I'm surprised you got there actually, most 
of the bridges have been washed away in that area.  The main bridge  
between Nundle to Tamworth was last seen floating in Chaffey Dam.

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> 
> Myself and James Harris went chasing yesterday, and ended up at 
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>cores always seem to dump on a town in the middle of no where, and 
>no where else:P



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hullo all,
heres my photos from last night.
oh what a beautiful night

http://bsch.simplenet.com/products/reports/2001/17/index.html



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Steves excellent photos can be viewed in full size on the new BSCH server at

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/steve/170101_01.shtml

You can use the previous and next buttons to scroll through the photos.
These will of course all be thumbnailed in the report when it's done


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> hullo all,
> heres my photos from last night.
> oh what a beautiful night
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> http://bsch.simplenet.com/products/reports/2001/17/index.html
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Hey everyone,
I'm new to all this, but my name is Michael Flood. I'm from Wauchope just 
near Port Macquarie. Heard from Dave Carroll that you lot need someone up 
here to keep you up to date with the weather, hehe.

Look forward to hearing about storms and god knows what else throughout my 
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] ~190mm/h rain rate and 44 knot winds at Casino (was Kyogle (7pm AEDT)

Highest measured rainfall rate at Casino Airport was 284mm/h when
14.2mm fell in 3 minutes to 6.23pm. This was followed by 7.2mm in 2
minutes (216mm/h) to 6.25pm -- so 21.4mm fell in 5 minutes. The
Bureau's Hydro section's list of notable point rainfall events in NSW
at http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/has/notables.shtml gives two 5-minute
figures, 25mm at Jimenbuen (in the Southern Tablelands I think) on 16
Mar 1895 and 20mm in the Sydney suburb of Eastwood on 19 Jan1958, so
Casino's effort is pretty impressive. 

The strongest wind gust at Casino Airport was 109km/h (58 knots) at
6.15pm, with a sustained windspeed of 82km/h. Evans Head reported a
gust of 135 (sustained 100) at 8.22pm. 

There are some more interesting wind and rain figures at
http://www.australianweathernews.com/news/news.html -- click on 17 or
18 January 2001 in the index at left. For example Archerfield,
Brisbane had 11.4mm in 7 minutes to 7.07 this morning, with 2.6mm
falling in 1 minute.

Laurier


On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:08:56 +1000, "Ben Quinn"
<benquinn at optushome.com.au> wrote:

>
>Casion has been slaughtered by a severe storm, with the AWS reporting a rain
>rate close to 190mm/h and 44 knot wind gusts.  I can't get radar from either
>the BOM or ASWA, but the storm that just crossed the NSW/QLD border appears
>to be weakening, however more storms are going up as i write this email!
>
>BRING IT
>ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just not TOO severe please)
>
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
>
>
>> This storm has exploded to epic proportions visually from here -
>absolutely
>> amazing structure! There will no doubt be 1000 photos of this thing by the
>> end of the day
>>
>> The severe storm that dissipated around Beaudesert before looked excellent
>> visually as well
>>
>> There are 2 or 3 chasers around the Beaudesert area
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mal Ninnes" <bueno at tig.com.au>
>> To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:22 PM
>> Subject: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
>>
>>
>> > Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that the
>> > township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing
>reflectivity
>> > in the 100mm/hr range...
>> >
>> > STW in effect for the area between Rathdowney and the Gold Coast.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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HI all..  

QLD Radar Images from Jan 17th Storm are up..  also have fixed Sydney 
images. 

http://www.nia.net.au/~davidkc/qldjan17.html

http://www.nia.net.au/~davidkc/sydjan17.html 

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 22:04:49 +1100 (AEDT)
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Subject: [aussie-weather] SE Qld storms - and ball lightning?

Hi all,

Certainly was a very hectic day in the Brisbane regional office yesterday. 
An extremely dynamic situation!! On top of the severe thunderstorms, we
also had to work pretty hard on this developing low off the east coast
which NWP models were handling very differently and conceptually it was a 
little difficult to choose between the two camps. 

Given the recent debate on this list about Bom/spotter/chaser interaction,
I am extremely pleased to report a good, and benificial interaction in
this case. Michael Bath's observations from near Lismore of the Border
Range cell were extremely valuable, as the supercellular nature of the
cell was not obvious on radar at the time. Although warnings for SE
Qld were already out at this time, we were much more confident in them
after receiving this ob. (Can't blame Michael for abandonning this cell in
favour of the Casino cell either, what a beast...). We received other
spotter reports during the afternoon that were similarly invaluable. Well,
its a start, but I feel there is certainly room for closer ties still,
that would be benificial to both sets of folks. I am more than keen to
share real time volumetric data with chasers (and doppler data if we ever 
get it up here in Brisbane), and I would definitely encourage as many
spotting obs as possible as they really are appreciated and invaluable.

On a slightly different note, I received two reports today of "strange" 
light or lightning activity during these storms. The first, from a lady in
Capalaba (a southern suburb of Brisbane), described the whole house being
"continuously lit up like disco lights" for a period of about 10-15
minutes at around 10 pm that night. As ducumented elsewhere, these storms
were extremely lightning active, but this seemed to be something slightly
more than that. I must admit to being slightly sceptical, but then a few
hours later another report came in from the Mt Tamborine area. This one
was from a storm at about 5 am in which the lady described her bedroom
being lit up very brightly and continuously (hardly any flickering), and
when she walked outside (brave lady), she looked up and saw a large,
bright red or orange ball, very bright (she said it was like daylight). 
Apparently it lasted several minutes before fading. Of course I
immediately thought of ball lightning, something I've read a little, but
don't pretend to know too much about. I was up on Mt Coot-tha last night
at about 10 pm and I noted at the time how orange or even red in colour a
lot of the distant lightning (both CC and CG) to the south and southeast
looked. Quite frankly it looked a little strange, and I mentioned this to
the person I was with. I put it down to looking at the lightning through a
fair distance of city pollution, but now I'm not so sure. Quite
interesting.  Anyone on the list know much about ball lightning? 

Cheers,

Jonty.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 21:47:37 +1030
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Subject: [aussie-weather] A few Lightning images from SA (yes storms in South Australia)

hi all

here are a few lightning pictures taken last week 10th of January 2001...

http://sastorms.virtualave.net/images/100101/cg1.jpg
http://sastorms.virtualave.net/images/100101/cc.jpg
http://sastorms.virtualave.net/images/100101/cacg1.jpg
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I hope you enjoy, I have another roll of film waiting to be developed, will 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] NEW  PHOTOS!!!

hi everyone,
sorry for delays but my server has been down for a while so consequently i 
haven't been able to upload anything til now. Anyway here's some photos and 
a brief word from 2 seperate storms in Victoria on the 4th of Jan. 2001.
http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils/Thursday4.1.2001.htm

enjoy.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] SE-QLD 1500 strikes in 5 minutes 


Hello All,

I was able to get a few glances at the GPATS at work this afternoon.  The
image at 15:02 (local) show 1,430 (from memory) strikes in the previous 5
minutes.  The activity from two cells around Kingaroy appeared to smoothly
ramp up to this level and then smoothly ramp down.

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Hi All,

this is my first message to this group, but I have been seeing the info for
a while thanks to Dave Carroll. I told him I wasn't going to do this, and I
wasn't going to give him the details of storms in the Hunter Valley
anymore!!!

Yes I live in the Hunter Valley, Cessnock to be exact.  It appears that the
storms that head this way tend to split and go around Cessnock.  The main
area that is hit is Singleton.

Looking forward to getting more info here.

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 23:35:04 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Summary of lllawarra storm / flash floods ( 17Th Jan ) 

As reported last night this storm had some of the most intense lightning I
have witnessed in many years. It started with mostly CC lightning. The CC's
were in the forward anvil which was obscured by a veil of thin stratocumulus
feeding in from the ocean towards the storms core. The Stratocu actually
diffused the lightning acting almost like a white sheet in front of a
projector if you know what I mean. I stood at Kiama blowhole around 10pm
simply fascinated by the almost constant flickering.

At this stage there was little rain and I was having trouble getting
bearings as to where the actual storm core was. I drove home through
Jamberoo where there were some CG's. At home I checked the radar and
realised that the system was actually moving N/NE and the most active parts
were still over the escarpment.

I was happy to watch the system from home, but around 11.30pm the rain
started in earnest. After 15 mins of torrential rain I knew flash flooding
was on the cards so I drove to the Albion Park area. Water was rushing
across the Princes Hwy in 2 sections near the Albion Park airport ( home of
the Wollongong AWS, actually 15 kms SW of Wollongong ). Things were starting
to look serious with several cars stalled in deep water and some residents
with flooded yards starting to move their cars to higher ground. The rain
stopped suddenly around 12.15am, just as well. CG's in the Albion Park area
were frequent and strong.

The AWS recorded 98mm of rain, and most of this fell within the period of
the storm


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Ball Lightning.

Hi Jonty and all
Nice to read your encouraging report re storm spotters,in respect to Ball
lightning about 10 years ago I found an old book dedicated to ball lightning
and Bead lightning, apparently the Russians were very interested in the
phenomena and managed to reproduce what they thought was ball lightning in
some experiments,anyway I will dig up the book and see what I can find out
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Summary of lllawarra storm / flash floods ( 17Th  Jan )

Michael and other...
The intense rain was concentrated in the hills behind Albion Park.
Yellow Rock Road AWS recorded 184 mm in the 24 hours to 9 am including
132 mm in the hour fropm 11.10 pm ! north Macquarie had 153 mm in 24
hoous including 96 mm in 1 hour from 11.05 pm and Upper calderwood 163
mm including 97 mm in the hour  from 10.35 pm. A little to the north Mt
Kembla had 81 mm in the hour from 12.05 am.
Another storm cell to the NNW of Gosford (west of Wyong) brought 114 mm
to Whitmans Ridge in the area including 64 mm in the hour from 11 35 pm.

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> As reported last night this storm had some of the most intense lightning I
> have witnessed in many years. It started with mostly CC lightning. The CC's
> were in the forward anvil which was obscured by a veil of thin stratocumulus
> feeding in from the ocean towards the storms core. The Stratocu actually
> diffused the lightning acting almost like a white sheet in front of a
> projector if you know what I mean. I stood at Kiama blowhole around 10pm
> simply fascinated by the almost constant flickering.
> 
> At this stage there was little rain and I was having trouble getting
> bearings as to where the actual storm core was. I drove home through
> Jamberoo where there were some CG's. At home I checked the radar and
> realised that the system was actually moving N/NE and the most active parts
> were still over the escarpment.
> 
> I was happy to watch the system from home, but around 11.30pm the rain
> started in earnest. After 15 mins of torrential rain I knew flash flooding
> was on the cards so I drove to the Albion Park area. Water was rushing
> across the Princes Hwy in 2 sections near the Albion Park airport ( home of
> the Wollongong AWS, actually 15 kms SW of Wollongong ). Things were starting
> to look serious with several cars stalled in deep water and some residents
> with flooded yards starting to move their cars to higher ground. The rain
> stopped suddenly around 12.15am, just as well. CG's in the Albion Park area
> were frequent and strong.
> 
> The AWS recorded 98mm of rain, and most of this fell within the period of
> the storm
> 
> Michael Thompson
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] CASINO MONSTER!!!

Here's the the photos. I think the info with them is right.......

Storm Development to the SW
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image1.jpg

Storm Development to the NW
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image12.jpg

Storm to our SW a little ways out of lismore
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image5.jpg

Storm to our SW closer to Lismore
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image13.jpg

Front of storm coming near Casino
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image14.jpg

Hail up to 6cm and my feet in Casino
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image17.jpg

Storm to the N that hit the Gold Coast Region at aroun 7am thismorning
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/image2.jpg


>From: "Dave Ellem" <stormboy2003 at hotmail.com>
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>To: aussie-weather at egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] CASINO MONSTER!!!
>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:46:08 +1100
>
>Sorry, can't attach photos. will do so soon!!!
>
>
> >From: "Dave Ellem" <stormboy2003 at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at egroups.com
> >To: aussie-weather at egroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] CASINO MONSTER!!!
> >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:37:36 +1100
> >
> >
> >Hi all!!
> >Well I’ve just gotten back from a HUGE storm at Casino in NE NSW. Went on
> >the chase with Michael Bath so he can give you all the technical jargon
> >later (as I’m new to this all) but I can tell you this. I was one big
> >storm!!!!! The gust front was amazing and the structure was excellent. To
> >the NE of this storm was another which was a supercell that had split.
> >Anyway, we raced through Casino trying to avoid the storm but it was just
> >too big and too quick!!! Initially we got hit with strong winds and rain
> >but
> >the rain got heavy even though we thought we were getting away. Debris 
>from
> >trees began falling and hitting the car! We stopped as we couldn’t see 
>very
> >far in front and then the real wind began! It was really gusting and then
> >we
> >heard the loud clangs of what turned out to be 5-7cm hail (poor MB’s 
>car!).
> >This ended up persisting for about 15mins. I jumped out of the car to get 
>a
> >hail stone before it melted too much which was a little silly as all the
> >rain ended up in MB’s car! The wind at one stage began to lift the car. 
>As
> >the storm began to leave the damage was revealed! Trees down, powerlines
> >down, even houses without rooves!!!! We stooped of to measure hail and
> >check
> >out the damage. One incredible storm! Here’s some pics with my cheapo 
>digi
> >but nothing really of the actually storm! Sorry for this very untechnical
> >report but I’m sure Michael will fill you in.
> >Dave Ellem
> >
> >
> > >From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at egroups.com
> > >To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] ~190mm/h rain rate and 44 knot winds at
> > >Casino (was Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
> > >Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 19:08:56 +1000
> > >
> > >
> > >Casion has been slaughtered by a severe storm, with the AWS reporting a
> > >rain
> > >rate close to 190mm/h and 44 knot wind gusts.  I can't get radar from
> > >either
> > >the BOM or ASWA, but the storm that just crossed the NSW/QLD border
> >appears
> > >to be weakening, however more storms are going up as i write this 
>email!
> > >
> > >BRING IT
> > 
> >ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (just not TOO severe please)
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
> > >To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:36 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
> > >
> > >
> > > > This storm has exploded to epic proportions visually from here -
> > >absolutely
> > > > amazing structure! There will no doubt be 1000 photos of this thing 
>by
> > >the
> > > > end of the day
> > > >
> > > > The severe storm that dissipated around Beaudesert before looked
> > >excellent
> > > > visually as well
> > > >
> > > > There are 2 or 3 chasers around the Beaudesert area
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mal Ninnes" <bueno at tig.com.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:22 PM
> > > > Subject: [aussie-weather] Kyogle (7pm AEDT)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just looking at Brisbane local scale precip radar, it appears that
> >the
> > > > > township of Kyogle is copping a hiding.  Large areas showing
> > >reflectivity
> > > > > in the 100mm/hr range...
> > > > >
> > > > > STW in effect for the area between Rathdowney and the Gold Coast.
> > > > >
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Subject: [aussie-weather] CASINO HAILSTORM & more hail

Hi All:

> Just a brief note to say I experienced, along with Dave Ellem the most 
> violent storm I can every remember yesterday afternoon at Casino in NE
NSW.

I wanted to mention that a few minutes ago during Fox News, I saw video of
the hail storm - looked like baseball hail with very strong winds.  I am
very impressed!!!  Nothing "mini" about that storm!

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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 10:57:24 +1100
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Here you go, sounds like a scary storm ...


linda at sfdt.com wrote:

> Hi everyone I am new to this group, I found it after the big storm
> tried to blow away our town (Casino). After a nice day of fishing at
> Ballina with plenty of fish caught we arrived home 5.45pm, the kids
> started to clean the fish while I put things away and my husband
> started to do the greyhounds. In the distant were storm clouds that
> seemed quite normal looking. Thinking that they would just past over
> like they normally do when you need rain I went to have a shower then
> a coffee while huband had his shower before going to pick up our
> little daughter from his mothers place were I have got my horse.
> While my husband was in still in the shower the clouds started to
> loom over, big and black they got lower and lower and started to
> swirl around. The hail started the size of tennis balls, wind started
> picking up, husband still in shower, our big garden shed started
> rocking with the wind, I panic and scream to hubby to get out of the
> shower quickly. My husband then runs up to the shed to try and hold
> it but the wind just kept getting stronger and to dangerous so he
> came back down to the house not long after the shed blew over and
> crashed into the gate which in turn broke off its hinges.
> Then the roofs started to come off the two small dog kennels, husband
> runs up to get one of the dogs. Now I had my husband, three boys, one
> retired greyhound and one racing greyhound all huddled in the kitchen
> watching the wind and hail distroy my backyard.
> Next the hail descided to smash three of my front windows with a big
> explosion, while this was happening another racing dog came running
> down to the back door so I opened the door to quickly let him in and
> panicking he run through the glass that blew into the dining room.
> One dog was still left up the back but we thought that he would be
> safe as his big kennel was made out of steel and was very heavy, but
> not to be , my husband looked out of the kitchen window while I was
> hold they three dogs try to comfort them and the children when he saw
> the kennel lift like a helicopter, the next thing a yellow/brown haze
> came over and you couldn't see anything.
> When things started to ease we found the kennel in a backyard a few
> doors up and started to panic about the dog thinking that he would be
> injured or even dead. Next thing when we all went out the back to dog
> trotted out from around the side all wet and shaking with fright so
> that was one relief.
> We had our budgie aviary blow over and we lost most of them bar five,
> others flew away or died. The roof blew off they chook cage but they
> were fine just wet and unhappy.
> Cars windscreen cracked in a few places by the hail stones and a few
> dents but it still seems happy HA HA.
> We looked around town the next day and we can be thankful for our bit
> of damage as other people had their roofs taken right off their
> houses. The town was a big mess with all the tin and wood laying
> around and smashed windows.
> Sorry for the long story but I had to get it off my chest as it was
> very frightning and I can't stop thinking about it.
>         Linda.
>
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Hello folks,

Can anyone help with info on joining the other egroups list?

I had purged all my old mail in readiness for the new year.

Cheers,

Sel

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Hi Sel

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/aussiewx.htm

try here for instructions.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:57 AM 20/01/01 +1000, you wrote:
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> >
> >
> >
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> >>Jacob wrote:
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Sydney Southerly Buster.

Data from Sydney's Macquarie University AWS for 15 Jan 2001

http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/AUSmet/20010115Southerly/Buster
.zip

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:13:14 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Advance Energy Media Release 16th Jan Storms. 

                       Media Release
                       16 January 2001

                       Storms cause outages in Advance network


                       Strong winds and lightning lashed the Advance
Energy franchise area last night
                       causing power supply outages in Mudgee,
Gilgandra, Coonabarabran and Gulgong.

                       Advance Energy crews worked quickly to restore
power to the Mudgee, Gilgandra
                       and Gulgong areas with the majority of power
restored overnight.

                       Lightning strikes and a ground fire 15 km north
of Dunedoo, which affected the 66kV
                       line to Coonabarabran, caused a major outage in
the Coonabarabran Shire. Advance
                       Energy worked closely with the local fire crews
to control the blaze and restored
                       supply by 10.30pm.

                       Peter Cady, Advance Energy's manager network
control said, 'The greatest
                       challenge faced by Advance Energy yesterday was
the total fire ban enforced across
                       the region.'

                       'Total fire bans require that Advance Energy
emergency crews physically patrol
                       power lines for faults before attempting to
restore power supply to an area,' said
                       Peter. 'Unfortunately, this can result in some
delays in restoring supply.'

                       'Advance Energy apologies for the inconvenience
caused to customers in the
                       affected areas, and would like to extend its
thanks to those customers who called its
                       emergency number to alert us to power supply
problems.'

                       'These calls help us to pinpoint faults
immediately, and we can rectify the problems
                       with minimal discomfort to our customers,' said
Peter.

                       In the event of a power failure, Advance Energy
encourages customers to contact the
                       emergency number 13 28 30. All other inquiries
should be directed to Customer Service
                       Advisers on 13 27 95.


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Media Release 

Sorry about the formatting of last email..

http://www.advanceenergy.com.au/internet/aeweb.nsf/Webpages/MR162

This is the link for Media Release

Dave
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Next AMOS meeting

AUSTRALIAN METEOROLOGICAL & OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY,

A.M.O.S.  SYDNEY CENTRE   -   WEATHERWATCH GROUP

NEWSLETTER NUMBER 01-01   -    JANUARY  2001

The Next Meeting of the AMOS Weatherwatch Group will be on
Wednesday 31st January 2001 at 7:30pm (19:30) at
Macquarie University, Building E5A, Room 143 (E5A-143).
Expensive Parking is available in University Car-Parks see notes below.

Theme:-  The Tenth Anniversary of the Great Storm 21st Jan. 1991

Mr. Paul Graham will be co-ordinating the meeting.

Dr. Alan Williams will present data and observations of the event.

This meeting will be an opportunity to present records, photographs, maps, 
notes, video, scrap-books, and publications describing the Great Storm of 
1991 at Pymble, Turramurra, Wahroonga, St.Ives, and environs.

Other events worth mentioning are the mysterious Parramatta Storm of Friday 
5th January 2001, the disastrous Dubbo Storm of Saturday 6th of January, 
and Another Severe Storm of Sunday 7th January which caused damage to crops 
in the Orange, Bathurst, Mudgee Districts, also the Hot Day and the 
Destructive Buster of  Mon. 15th January in Sydney & South.

Storm Spotters are welcome to present reports on any recent storms. Bring 
photos, video, and data from any recent outings. ASWA members are welcome. 
Jimmy will answer questions about ASWA and its activities.
Visitors are very welcome. Discussion will follow the presentation, and 
light refreshments will be available during the meeting.
                                                                                       PTO  
PTO >>>

At this meeting of Weatherwatch be careful about your
parking, fees have changed to be $1.00 for the first hour, then three more 
dollars for two, three or four hours, and a MAXIMUM OF $5.00 If you want to 
stay until midnight. Sorry folks, it will cost you $4.00.
You can run outside and pay a dollar every hour if you wish.

IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION about the big storm of 21st January 1991, including 
news, data, or photographs, PLEASE PARTICIPATE.

Enquiries

Alan Williams   (02)9488.9975   Paul Graham     (02)9888.2527
Jimmy Deguara   (02)9627.1943   Roger Nurse     (02)9449.1473

Future dates of the next AMOS Weatherwatch Meetings for 2001 will be 
discussed. Probably Wednesday 28th March 2001 at this stage. There should 
be a few more storms in the meantime. Other later 2001 Weatherwatch Meeting 
Dates could be discussed. Please bring any suggestions to this January 
Meeting. Dr. Alan Williams will be attending the AMOS Conference in Hobart 
in February and will be able to report at the next meeting of Weatherwatch.

Recent Meetings. At the last Weatherwatch Meeting on Wednesday 13th 
December, Jimmy Deguara brought us photos and video from three weeks in 
Northern New South Wales and news of the recent floods.
The  AMOS Picnic at the Observatory Hill Park was very pleasant but poorly 
attended. The ASWA Meeting at North Sydney on Sat. 6th Jan was interesting 
and early birds could see the Dubbo Storm on Radar & on the lightning display.

Recent Weather
Dry December and January, hot December in Sydney, but Annual Rainfall well 
below average. Floods moving towards Wilcannia. Floods at Normanton but 
generally the monsoon has quietened down. Snow in Tasmania, hiker still 
missing. Bushfires in NSW especially near Cobar.

Blizzards and drought in Manchuria. Cold and famine in North Korea.
Snow in USA.

Wishing all our members and friends a safe, interesting Summer season.

Regards           Roger T. Nurse, News Editor       17th January 2001


-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Subject: [aussie-weather] PHOTOS from 21.12.200

heya everyone,
in addition to Liam Domanskis straightline wind damage report on the 
21.12.2000 in Craigieburn/Melbourne, i have a few photos of the storm 
aproaching Phillip Island and some minor damage photos at Rhyll (Phillip 
Island) where the AWS recorded a wind gust of 64kn!!!
http://www.crosswinds.net/~anvils\Rhyll_storm.htm

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 07:35:11 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Climate; Global warming,

Written offline: Monday 7:30am

Hi all,

Haven't been around much lately, my local ISP is having compatibility
problems with my new computer's modem, so I am getting cut off very few
minutes or so, even if I do now have unlimited hours :-(. Anyone know of
Conexant modems? It's an internal one from a topline computer company.Works
fine on their own server but not my local ISP.

Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about global warming and the
reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring us colder winters not
just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's current winter etc. Didn't
get any replies, that's cool :-)

Does anyone have any links or thoughts as to why Global Warming may indeed
present us with more severe winters? I'd appreciate your input. I could say
I'm preparing an article for our local paper or that I'm presenting a talk
at our local school but to be honest, I just wanna know, coz I like cold
weather, :-) Winter...Bring it on! LOL




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Jeez guys and gals, I was wondering why the Excite group was a little dry!!
8-0

Serves me right for negelecting my in-box.

Avo Ohanian
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:54:12 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Casino hailstorm chase report

Hi all,

the evolving report is available from here:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/

Comments and feedback most welcome. I will be adding more material.

cheers, Michael
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 13:37:36 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Casino hailstorm chase report

Hi Michael,

I thought the report was excellent - as are all reports on Australian Severe
Weather!

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de32.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg

I have to say that is the nastiest guster i've ever seen photographed in
Australia





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>
> the evolving report is available from here:
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>
> Comments and feedback most welcome. I will be adding more material.
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> cheers, Michael
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>   ASWA Secretary    http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 04:05:52 -0000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Be careful on country dirt roads

Hmmm,

What type of car do you drive Jimmy? Does it have an Independant Rear 
Suspension setup? Generally a Rear Wheel Drive car with IRS is better 
behaved than a live-axled car because
- each wheel has less unsprung weight (the differential is bolted 
onto the chassis with a fully IRS RWD car, whereas it is part of the 
suspended axle on a live-axled car) thus it is easier to stop the 
sprung momentum after the wheel hits a pothole. Result, more 
consistent road holding.
- by each wheel being independant, if the right wheel hits a pothole, 
it will not (theoretically) affect the left. A live axled car has 
both wheels connected thus a pothole on the right causes the left 
wheel to react as well.

BUT

- it is generally noted that some IRS RWD cars can be tricky in the 
wet due to camber (variation in angle of the wheel when viewed from, 
say, the back of the car as the wheel moves up and down) changes.

I drive an '89 Mazda 929 V6 with an LSD and IRS rear end. It has a 
heap of grip in the dry (purly relative of course for such a heavy 
softly sprung highly damped beast), but the combination of excessive 
camber change and the Limited Slip Diff makes it bloody fun in the 
wet. However, it is extremely predicatable and easy to catch when it 
lets go. Not enough power and wider uni-directional tyres see to that.
I know that wider tyres should theoretically produce more 
aquaplaning, but the Bridgestone G-Grids (205/60) are far better than 
the Regno (195/65) OEMs in the wet....

Judging by your description, I reckon you have a higher powered RWD 
live-axled car... Perhaps a Falcon or pre-VT Commode? Then again, I 
could be wrong :-) Check your tyre pressures. On gravel and sand, you 
may even want to lower them a touch (I generally keep mine at 34 psi 
all round, but when we go to the Myall Lakes and all that mud I drop 
them to 30 psi, otherwise I am in slush city...... (I empathise with 
the person who replyed that was screaming about finding the 
traction.... hehe). Just remember to add air again before going on 
the freeway as you may have a blow-out by driving without enough air 
in the tyres (they get bloody hot when they are underinflated).

As for driving like in Twister the movie, I am surprised they didn't 
roll the Jeep near the beginning taking the corner off the bitumen at 
full stride!!! 

Sorry for rambling on, but I looove cars, especially suspension 
design and theory. Maybe I should give up IT. It's so boring..... 
Become a twister chaser/car mechanic....  

Avo Ohanian
IT Support
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:44:09 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Sydney - Baro Dropping Fast - here's hopeing

Date: 22 Jan 2001
Time: 15:33 Local Time (UTC +11:00)
Dry bulb temperature          :       32.0 degrees C
Wet bulb temperature          :       32.0 degrees C
Relative humidity             :        100 %
Wind speed                    :        2.9 m/s
Wind direction                :         52 degrees
Global short wave radiation   :      772.2 W/m**2
Diffuse short wave radiation  :       75.8 W/m**2
Net (all wave) radiation      :      533.8 W/m**2
Reflected short wave radiation:      143.3 W/m**2
Sunshine duration             :        100 %
Pressure                      :       1003 HPa
Vapour pressure               :       4.75 kPa
Saturated vapour pressure     :        4.
 kPa
Soil temperature              :       37.9 degrees C
Soil heat flux at 5 cm        :        0.0 W/m**2
Soil heat flux at 10 cm       :        0.0 W/m**2

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:03:15 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Weather: Heat - A nightmare forecast

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey All</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I pity the poor Melbourne bereau in the coming 
days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today was just a highlight of the nightmare to 
come. In Melbourne this morning there was total cloud cover and some light rain 
and a light northerly with an inversion over the city, temps in the Dandenongs 
4C higher than the suburbs. A forecasted max of 27 looked good. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>By mid morning, the cloud had rapidly broken, 
letting through strong sun, which in turn broke the inversion. Temps rapidily 
rose, the BOM thought, hmm, 27 looks dodge, we'll pop her up to 36. An hour or 
so later the strong heating of the city basan had resulted in the strengthing of 
the sea breeze, this blew in over the city, restricting the temp to 32. This 
seabreeze arrived later in the Northern Suburbs where the temp reach 39 at 
Viewbank. Then just after lunch the cloud thickened again and the sea breeze 
took control. Now it's hovering around 21-22 with a thick cover of middle level 
cloud and patchy rain. I think the forecasters would have been pulling their 
hair out today trying to get the temp right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And it looks like the next 3 days could hold a 
similar secronio. The models are forecasting some very hot air over the SE, with 
850 temps +24. This hot air pool produced low-mid 40's temps over SA, NW Vic and 
Southern NSW today. The models have this hot air moving south over Southern Vic 
on Wednesday and Thursday (some pretty damn hot air tomorrow as well) as a low 
forms at the head of the bight. With a decent amount of sun Melbourne and many 
Vic centres could be seeing temps in the low 40's. But the big ? is cloud cover. 
Mositure in the middle levels is producing a large amount of cloud over SE 
Australia, with a nice patch south of SA atm. Now the thing is this seems to be 
associated with a trough. What could happen is the way stronger low/trough 
expected to form over near WA will allow the northerly to fresehen and drag 
dryer air from the interiors south, and therefore destroy or at least disapate 
the cloud and trough. But another factor is the possible formation of cloud with 
the new trough system. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....&nbsp; To further complicate matters 
will be the seabreeze factor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good Luck BOM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's my early tips (safety after been burnt a 
couple of Sundays back)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If there is good clearance of the cloud 
(SUNNY)&nbsp;Melbourne Wednesday = 42 (seabreeze will be interesting) Thursday = 
41. BOM going for 37, 39 at this stage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If cloudy or been really safe, anywhere from the 
mid 20's :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, storms look pretty good as this system 
appraoches if the moisture in the middle levels goes while a rain event could 
occur.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Certainly not a boring week coming up.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mildura is currently appraoching 44, with Loxton 
and Renmark already there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nick Sykes</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 23:40:15 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Climate; Global warming,


hi lindsay, I read a book titled "the coming global
superstorm"  basically it says that global warming
COULD trigger an ice age.And I quote " Global warming
is about to cause the North Atlantic Current,which
pumps warm water into the arctic, to suddenly drop to
a more southerly route.This will cause an explosive
change in climate, spawning a massive storm as cold
arctic air is freed to pour south, clashing with
overheated air in temperate zones.What will it be
like?
Blizzard conditions,sustained winds in excess of
100mph
massive snowfalls.Death rates appraoching 100% beneath
the interior of the storm.If it happens in the summer,
massive flooding will occur.If it happens during the
winter, it will bring the dawn of a new ice age." End
quote. Might sound like a load of crap but it was a
very entertaining read :)  In the book it explains all
the details and technicalities of how it might
happen.Most good bookshops should stock it.Have a read
and maybe a chuckle.......could open your mind to any
new ideas. cya
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Haven't been around much lately, my local ISP is
> having compatibility
> problems with my new computer's modem, so I am
> getting cut off very few
> minutes or so, even if I do now have unlimited hours
> :-(. Anyone know of
> Conexant modems? It's an internal one from a topline
> computer company.Works
> fine on their own server but not my local ISP.
> 
> Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about
> global warming and the
> reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring
> us colder winters not
> just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's
> current winter etc. Didn't
> get any replies, that's cool :-)
> 
> Does anyone have any links or thoughts as to why
> Global Warming may indeed
> present us with more severe winters? I'd appreciate
> your input. I could say
> I'm preparing an article for our local paper or that
> I'm presenting a talk
> at our local school but to be honest, I just wanna
> know, coz I like cold
> weather, :-) Winter...Bring it on! LOL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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sorry i posted the wrong URL earlier in the previous post.   :-(
it was late  <G>
anyway here's the correct link; 
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Hi all.

Did anyone notice the amazing disappearing trick near the SW WA Coast
between last night & This afternoon??

I was watching the satpic loops - and the cloudmass that was attached to the
Low & Front and brought nice rain falls to WA Coast, just disappeared in the
space of 2 hours!!

Almost like that TC off the NE QLD Coast 2 years ago that went from a Cat 2
(If i remember) to nuthing in mins!! (well almost....)

Must eb some real nice dry air permeating in WA.

Here - monsoonal pulse came in this arvo (rare) bringing storms and isolated
heavy rain. The next few days could be interesting depending on the trough +
next Madden-Julian pulse due soon.....

But its has been VERY humid with temps of 32 with DP's of 26 / 27 the last
few days making it sticky..... 

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For those wanting to chat live to other Australians about the weather, but
you cant download mIRC or PIRCH, just go to:

http://chat.pacific.net.sg/cgi-bin/javairc.pl?mychann=weather&mystartbutt=no

When it loads up, just type in your nickname, and it will connect you to
two rooms.

One will be #weather (which we are all on) and the other will be #livechat
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So if you haven't been on before because you dont have an IRC client, come
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Just looking at the cloud mass on the radar in CQ.  I'm surprised not 
to see an upper atmosphere low on the synoptic ???..
What are your thoughts on the progress of this "system" ?

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Heya Stu,

.....funny you should mention an upper low - there's one sitting right
there where you thought it was!!
http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_aus.gif

The 300hPa chart is top right.  You won't see it on the MSL because
that's only surface, but the 850hPa & the 300hPa analyses can be *very*
useful as can the water vapour image at
http://207.133.112.37/gms5/austwv.jpg where the circulation shows up
beautifully.

Jane

phrstu at northnet.com.au wrote:

> Just looking at the cloud mass on the radar in CQ.  I'm surprised not
> to see an upper atmosphere low on the synoptic ???..
> What are your thoughts on the progress of this "system" ?

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Thanks for the links. The water vapour realy shows it well. Any 
prognosis as to when of if it may produce rain for Nth NSW or Sth 
Qld. 
No rain at Gunnedah since the 14/12/2000. The crops are realy 
starting to stress badly

stu





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> Heya Stu,
> 
> .....funny you should mention an upper low - there's one sitting 
right
> there where you thought it was!!
> http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_aus.gif
> 
> The 300hPa chart is top right.  You won't see it on the MSL because
> that's only surface, but the 850hPa & the 300hPa analyses can be 
*very*
> useful as can the water vapour image at
> http://207.133.112.37/gms5/austwv.jpg where the circulation shows up
> beautifully.
> 
> Jane
> 
> phrstu at n... wrote:
> 
> > Just looking at the cloud mass on the radar in CQ.  I'm surprised 
not
> > to see an upper atmosphere low on the synoptic ???..
> > What are your thoughts on the progress of this "system" ?
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at s...
> 
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:16:59 +1100
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Stu and others,

this page will give you a loop of infra red images on the area you are
interested in (you can do the same thing by going to the water vapour
equivalent)
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html

Set your controls as follows before you click on the image.....
animation of say 15 images
width = 800
height = 600
ignore the rest of the settings - now left click on that upper low that
has taken your interest (actually the fact you can see it on the infra red
image means that it's also in the middle layers of the atmosphere between
500 & 600hPa as well as in the upper layers)

The loop will take a while to load but it'll be absolutely worth the
wait!!

Jane


phrstu at northnet.com.au wrote:

> Thanks for the links. The water vapour realy shows it well. Any
> prognosis as to when of if it may produce rain for Nth NSW or Sth
> Qld.
> No rain at Gunnedah since the 14/12/2000. The crops are realy
> starting to stress badly
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:03:38 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

Hi Jonty and all,

I am very encouraged that the visual info provided to Jonty was of 
assistance in verifying a severe thunderstorm warning in Queensland.

By providing a quick message on this discussion group on my likely location 
and mobile number, the BoM was able to quickly gather information from the 
field.

How I wish this had happened over all the years I've been chasing. Jimmy 
and I have seen plenty of severe storms and could have provided valuable 
observations, yet the NSW BoM has had little interest in our activities 
except on a non-committal basis after the event at a few AMOS meetings.

The forecasters and severe weather personnel have all the radar in front of 
them and as has been demonstrated here, a single quick phone call can 
provide very important information to verify what radar may suggest as a 
developing severe situation.

I know I could have phoned the BoM when observing something severe, but 
this pro-active call to ME was great to receive, indicating my observations 
were of value and reliable.

I would like to see:
- BoM severe weather personnel monitoring this discussion group for anyone 
heading out (I believe this group was monitored before, but I'm unsure now, 
except for QLD BoM)
- BoM to phone those people on the chance they may be near a developing 
situation

This would encourage chasers in the field to actively provide information 
as well, but it won't happen unless it is ** two way **. There should be 
dedicated state BoM phone numbers to provide this info, whether they be 
spotter 1800 numbers or not, but if it is a 1800 number it HAS to accept 
mobiles. Geez people, nearly the whole population has one !!!

I would also like to see summaries of severe weather reports from spotters 
sent to this list promptly by the BoM. At present we have to wait months to 
see this in the monthly summaries and by then we have forgotten what 
happened on the day. I believe Anthony Cornelius receives timely reports 
from the QLD BoM.

What would the BoM like from chasers?
What do other people think on this issue?

regards, Michael


At 22:04 18/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>[snip]
>
>Given the recent debate on this list about Bom/spotter/chaser interaction,
>I am extremely pleased to report a good, and benificial interaction in
>this case. Michael Bath's observations from near Lismore of the Border
>Range cell were extremely valuable, as the supercellular nature of the
>cell was not obvious on radar at the time. Although warnings for SE
>Qld were already out at this time, we were much more confident in them
>after receiving this ob. (Can't blame Michael for abandonning this cell in
>favour of the Casino cell either, what a beast...). We received other
>spotter reports during the afternoon that were similarly invaluable. Well,
>its a start, but I feel there is certainly room for closer ties still,
>that would be benificial to both sets of folks. I am more than keen to
>share real time volumetric data with chasers (and doppler data if we ever
>get it up here in Brisbane), and I would definitely encourage as many
>spotting obs as possible as they really are appreciated and invaluable.

[snip]


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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 21:25:12 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

Michael & all,

I guess a lot of what happens at the BoM's end depends on how many phones they
are answering & tasks they are carrying out at the time.  This is where I think
that spotters ringing in is so incredibly useful - there's a fair chance that
the BoM guys don't have much of a chance to ring out.  On at least one day when
I rang Severe Wx (Melb) to report large hail near Tallarook on behalf of Macca,
they (the guys in Severe Wx) wouldn't have had time to ring out as at the time
they were hard pressed to
a) answer the incoming calls,
b) brief the SES on the situation, and
c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order)

I think the main priority is for registered storm spotters to contact the BoM
(not the other way around) - I think Paul Yole's idea of putting the contact
numbers for each state up on the ASWA page is an excellent one).

Certainly, if the BoM has half a chance and they are aware of someone in the
area of interest, they can contact them (as has happened in Victoria more than
once) to ask that if they observe a particular area or suspected development
could they report it in immediately, but it depends on the manpower available
and the situation.

Maybe if anyone is going to be out in the field that they make the Severe Wx
area in their state aware of this when they let the list know (do the Severe Wx
areas in each state have a dedicated email address? and would they be
interested?)  I ring BoM Severe Wx in Victoria if I'm going out in the field
and there is a likelihood of encountering severe weather to let them know & and
this has always been appreciated.

Jane

Michael Bath wrote:
<snip>

>
> What would the BoM like from chasers?
> What do other people think on this issue?
>
> regards, Michael
>

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Subject: [aussie-weather] The coming week

The coming week is looking very interesting for the southern areas of 
Australia, all the way from around Perth to the southeast.  Of course the 
north and interior will continue in their normal summer wet period.  Here in 
Adelaide yesterday evening it was very humid and channel seven's weather 
report said it was mainly due to above average sea surface temperatures in 
the Gulf regions, therefore hotter more humid weather because the sea breeze 
has little impact.  Normally high than average sea surface temps around 
Adelaide can produce increased rainfall, right?  Hopefully this could be 
what happens with the coming change.  This change has a lot of potential and 
will signal and end to the hot spell over SA and the 28 day dry spell in 
Adelaide, thank god! (although Kent Town reported a Tce the other day 
nothing fell where I am)  Mention of increasing moisture from the northeast 
has me interested on Wednesday.  Monsoonal activity and increased moisture 
is occuring up in Queensland and looking very interesting. Storms reaching 
as far south as Adelaide late in the day on Wednesday are not out of the 
question but not all that likely either.  The positioning of the low in the 
Bight is also obviously going to impact on the weather behind this system.  
Thursday is obviously looking wet in Adelaide, (not good for the cricket 
test) although I couldn't care less we need rain!  I wonder if Australia Day 
could also be a little wet as well? (not good for the sell out cricket test 
on that day.  I am wondering if a rainband may also develop late Wednesday, 
early Thursday, or will that happen further east?  The east is probably more 
likely.  Anyway whatever happens I am keeping my eyes firmly gripped to the 
skies this week.



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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:18:58 +0930
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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

I agree with Michael - Ian (Severe Wx Darwin BOM) reguarly rings me with
reports of severe storms & damage. He is very keen to try and work
together - and is always attempting to encourage his fellow forecasters etc
to take people seriously when calling.

It is a 2way street - the BOM people are being paid - while us chasers are
not. Its time that the effort that people put in for free is acknowledged
and accepted - and not just as a token gesture in order to keep us quiet.

Good email MB!!!

Paul.

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Michael & all,

I guess a lot of what happens at the BoM's end depends on how many phones
they
are answering & tasks they are carrying out at the time.  This is where I
think
that spotters ringing in is so incredibly useful - there's a fair chance
that
the BoM guys don't have much of a chance to ring out.  On at least one day
when
I rang Severe Wx (Melb) to report large hail near Tallarook on behalf of
Macca,
they (the guys in Severe Wx) wouldn't have had time to ring out as at the
time
they were hard pressed to
a) answer the incoming calls,
b) brief the SES on the situation, and
c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order)

I think the main priority is for registered storm spotters to contact the
BoM
(not the other way around) - I think Paul Yole's idea of putting the contact
numbers for each state up on the ASWA page is an excellent one).

Certainly, if the BoM has half a chance and they are aware of someone in the
area of interest, they can contact them (as has happened in Victoria more
than
once) to ask that if they observe a particular area or suspected development
could they report it in immediately, but it depends on the manpower
available
and the situation.

Maybe if anyone is going to be out in the field that they make the Severe Wx
area in their state aware of this when they let the list know (do the Severe
Wx
areas in each state have a dedicated email address? and would they be
interested?)  I ring BoM Severe Wx in Victoria if I'm going out in the field
and there is a likelihood of encountering severe weather to let them know &
and
this has always been appreciated.

Jane

Michael Bath wrote:
<snip>

>
> What would the BoM like from chasers?
> What do other people think on this issue?
>
> regards, Michael
>

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

Hi Jane,

I will comment on your e-mail in sections

At 09:25 PM 22/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Michael & all,
>
>I guess a lot of what happens at the BoM's end depends on how many phones they
>are answering & tasks they are carrying out at the time.  This is where I 
>think
>that spotters ringing in is so incredibly useful - there's a fair chance that
>the BoM guys don't have much of a chance to ring out.  On at least one day 
>when
>I rang Severe Wx (Melb) to report large hail near Tallarook on behalf of 
>Macca,
>they (the guys in Severe Wx) wouldn't have had time to ring out as at the time
>they were hard pressed to
>a) answer the incoming calls,
>b) brief the SES on the situation, and
>c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order)


I do understand that the Sydney Severe Weather Section personnel "believe 
or perhaps joke about" (and perhaps they are) the busiest in the nation. So 
they have to "direct their resources" as you mention above and we have to 
contact them. This can prove difficult as if I am in pursuit and out of 
range of mobile, then I may not be able to. This is when the storm is in 
operation.. I have in a couple of occasions relayed information via someone 
else to send through.. However, what about in the developing stage. I think 
a lot can be gained from interaction between both parties here.

>I think the main priority is for registered storm spotters to contact the BoM
>(not the other way around) - I think Paul Yole's idea of putting the contact
>numbers for each state up on the ASWA page is an excellent one).
>
>Certainly, if the BoM has half a chance and they are aware of someone in the
>area of interest, they can contact them (as has happened in Victoria more than
>once) to ask that if they observe a particular area or suspected development
>could they report it in immediately, but it depends on the manpower available
>and the situation.

I can tell you now Jane, policies differ in different states. I will throw 
a party if the BoM Severe Weather Section in Sydney EVER contact a storm 
chaser (mobile storm spotter). The legal liability is the reason they give 
which is fair enough. However, I don't expect them to ring us to tell us 
where to go. I have said this time and time again. I believe just receiving 
reports from a mobile storm spotter basis is so helpful and covers more 
territory as Michael has suggested. But I don't think they will even do 
this. This is a shame as the amount of reports I have handed to the Bureau 
is minimal. I have to "direct my resources" in writing up reports etc and 
chasing storms. They have available detailed information in the reports 
after the events. But are they supporting storm chasing by getting 
information off storm chasers' sites? Do they have the time? Should we put 
together a summary and send them or do we send a hell of a lot of spotter 
cards for each storm we experience. Now if we don't experience it then it 
cannot be included ie very heavy rainfall, large hail, very strong winds. 
It is the aftermath that may help. But again is this encouraged?

It is the real time data though that is what they need more of. I think the 
development stage is so crucial. But is our judgement trusted? I sometimes 
wonder. Do we get these wall clouds we have claimed particularly in the 
last couple of years? I think turning up to ASWA meetings or perhaps 
arranging special meetings when they are available during the season or the 
off-season will help prove or disprove this. I am quite happy to do that...

As to the real time data, I think the idea of setting up a radio network as 
Glen O'Riley suggested that can cover the entire state for those that can 
afford it is an excellent way of disseminating information to the Bureau. 
The Bureau here in Sydney were going to do it some years back but I suppose 
funding is the problem. ASWA can set it up if we decide this is the go, but 
is the Bureau interested in having this information and some sort of 
receiver given to them so that they know what is going on. Well I will 
leave this up to them to comment. I think a phone number separate from the 
normal 1800 number is another  possibility and it should be separate from 
their personal ones or others that are available.


>Maybe if anyone is going to be out in the field that they make the Severe Wx
>area in their state aware of this when they let the list know (do the 
>Severe Wx
>areas in each state have a dedicated email address? and would they be
>interested?)  I ring BoM Severe Wx in Victoria if I'm going out in the field
>and there is a likelihood of encountering severe weather to let them know 
>& and
>this has always been appreciated.

I will ring the BoM here if they have an interest but at this stage like I 
said, they legally aren't... not "field information" just spotter reports 
as they feel they are condoning storm chasing. I seriously just don't have 
the time to send reports of spotter cards. I think the information 
mentioned on this list and in our reports are far more detailed and give a 
better picture than what is mentioned on spotter cards.

>Jane
>
>Michael Bath wrote:
><snip>

I seriously don't know what is the answer to all this. The radio idea 
mentioned above? I know for a fact we are dedicated spotters and storm 
chasers. What works well in the United States which is where this concept came?

I recall Blair mentioning and also you Jane in this e-mail, the problem of 
having too many phone calls coming through. Is it a good idea to have too 
many spotters especially in any one town? I think this is the issue as 
worked out in Queensland. Those that are not interested in spotting should 
be wiped off the spotter list - a survey will help in this regards. But you 
have to keep in contact with those that maintain an interest. Apparently, 
this is now being looked into which is encouraging.

Like I said in a previous e-mail, it would be great if a committee be set 
up between the Bureau, AMOS and ASWA members to try and think of ways to 
improve the spotter network.

Jimmy Deguara


> >
> > What would the BoM like from chasers?
> > What do other people think on this issue?
> >
> > regards, Michael
> >
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
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Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

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Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:56:08 -0000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: south-east united states hit with severe weather

--- In aussie-weather at egroups.com, Jason216 at w... wrote:
> hi gang,
> 
> well, parts of the south-east united states had unusual severe t-
storm
> weather for this time of year. parts of georgia, alabama & northern
> florida reported severe weather friday. while north part of the 
weather
> system brought heavy snow into the states of kentucky, virginia & 
west
> virginia.
> 
> i wished we had t-storms in indiana. it would be nice. 
> 
> jason j.

Another report from the region:

I'm currently in Asheville (western North Carolina) and have been in 
the general area since Friday afternoon. Asheville was a bit too far 
north to see anything other than steady rain on Friday; the real 
action was further south. There was a tornado on the southern fringe 
of Atlanta (several injuries but none serious) and numerous severe 
thunderstorms. I definitely drew the long straw going from 
Albuquerque to Asheville; the options are via Cincinnati (light snow, 
but nothing to cause major holdups at the airport) or via Atlanta, 
which would have been horrendous.

A deep low spun up off the Virginia coast on Saturday and moved 
rapidly north-east. It snowed on and off here on Saturday, but 
accumulations were not terribly great, ranging from a dusting at 300 
metres to about 5 centimetres at 600 metres. The heaviest snow was 
further north-east, with 10-30 centimetres quite widely through the 
Washington-New York-Boston corridor. (The Presidential inauguration 
was over just before the snow got under way in earnest).

Gorgeous day today - just like a classic Canberra July day - clear 
and about 8 after -6 overnight.

One thing which caught my interest (given the well-deserved 
reputation of the Australian commercial media for being reluctant to 
disseminate warnings); here TV stations actually have as a selling 
point that they will be the first with the news on storms!

Blair


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Mild speculation about this afternoon

Hi all

Just churning through some various data from this morning, I am mildly
speculating on the possibility of something in Sydney this afternoon. Now,
it is quite a marginal setup, so it would be a risk to forecast late storms,
and I guess that is why the BoM has not done so, but the potential is there
for the following reasons, and I think it is worth keeping an eye on.

Firstly, there is a weak southerly change moving up the coast. As I have
stated before, I have a soft spot for weak southerlies drifiting up the NSW
coast, as they often seem to do something a bit unexpected. The BoM have now
sensibly rethought last night's forecast of the southerly coming through in
the morning, and have it in the afternoon for a brief time before returning
to the NE. Personally, I'm not even entirely sure it will make it as far as
Sydney at the surface, mainly due to the NE flow which should be intensified
during the day with the seabreeze development. However, if it does, it will
be weak and short lived...probably around 2pm or so.

There is also a bit of low level shear, not much mind you, thanks to the NE
surface wind/seabreeze, and light W/SW winds at 850. I wouldn't factor too
much importance into this, but it is there, so worth remembering. AVN has
the NE becoming dominant right up to 850 by 8pm tonight.

There is also the weakest hint of an upper trough arriving during the
afternoon with the southerly change, with 500 temps progged to drop
to -8C...not extremely cold by any stretch of the imagination, but that is
just the model run and it is a small scale feature.

With all these positives, come the negatives however. Low level moisture is
going to be a problem. Despite the fact surface DPs are around 20C this
morning, they drop off rapidly just above the surface as would be expected
with seabreeze-induced moisture. This, to me, is the biggest hindrance to
today. I will be waiting for the 6am sounding to see what low level moisture
has done overnight, but I imagine it will still be a problem. Middle level
cloud may also become an issue later, depending on what that stuff over Vic
does. I would imagine it will stay over Vic, and not present a great problem
as the NW jet is still in place to the south, but some may spill up the NSW
coast at times...we'll see.

Finally, and I put this last for a reason, for those that are interested in
the LI, they are progged to get down to -3 at 5pm this afternoon over
Sydney.

In summary, I would put the chances of a storm in Sydney this afternoon at
around 40%, so it is still more likely that there won't be one, and hence
IMO the BoM forecast is pretty good now for today. Just keep an eye out for
that 40% though :)

Matt Pearce
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Mild speculation about this afternoon

Spot on Matthew - the hint of a weak upper few hours after the change is
worth noting.. also the change may effect any weak low level inversion
that may form and  reduce  storm potential. I would put probability at
least a 50-50 chance but more for this evening but any thing is likely
to be fairly weak.
don W.

"The Weather Co." wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Just churning through some various data from this morning, I am mildly
> speculating on the possibility of something in Sydney this afternoon. Now,
> it is quite a marginal setup, so it would be a risk to forecast late storms,
> and I guess that is why the BoM has not done so, but the potential is there
> for the following reasons, and I think it is worth keeping an eye on.
> 
> Firstly, there is a weak southerly change moving up the coast. As I have
> stated before, I have a soft spot for weak southerlies drifiting up the NSW
> coast, as they often seem to do something a bit unexpected. The BoM have now
> sensibly rethought last night's forecast of the southerly coming through in
> the morning, and have it in the afternoon for a brief time before returning
> to the NE. Personally, I'm not even entirely sure it will make it as far as
> Sydney at the surface, mainly due to the NE flow which should be intensified
> during the day with the seabreeze development. However, if it does, it will
> be weak and short lived...probably around 2pm or so.
> 
> There is also a bit of low level shear, not much mind you, thanks to the NE
> surface wind/seabreeze, and light W/SW winds at 850. I wouldn't factor too
> much importance into this, but it is there, so worth remembering. AVN has
> the NE becoming dominant right up to 850 by 8pm tonight.
> 
> There is also the weakest hint of an upper trough arriving during the
> afternoon with the southerly change, with 500 temps progged to drop
> to -8C...not extremely cold by any stretch of the imagination, but that is
> just the model run and it is a small scale feature.
> 
> With all these positives, come the negatives however. Low level moisture is
> going to be a problem. Despite the fact surface DPs are around 20C this
> morning, they drop off rapidly just above the surface as would be expected
> with seabreeze-induced moisture. This, to me, is the biggest hindrance to
> today. I will be waiting for the 6am sounding to see what low level moisture
> has done overnight, but I imagine it will still be a problem. Middle level
> cloud may also become an issue later, depending on what that stuff over Vic
> does. I would imagine it will stay over Vic, and not present a great problem
> as the NW jet is still in place to the south, but some may spill up the NSW
> coast at times...we'll see.
> 
> Finally, and I put this last for a reason, for those that are interested in
> the LI, they are progged to get down to -3 at 5pm this afternoon over
> Sydney.
> 
> In summary, I would put the chances of a storm in Sydney this afternoon at
> around 40%, so it is still more likely that there won't be one, and hence
> IMO the BoM forecast is pretty good now for today. Just keep an eye out for
> that 40% though :)
> 
> Matt Pearce
> ____________________
> The Weather Company
> Level 2, 7 West Street
> North Sydney 2060
> Phone: (02) 9955 7704
> Fax: (02) 9955 1536
> http://www.theweather.com.au
> 
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I heard last night that the NWS operates a shortwave radio station. Could
someone tell me the frequency - I would like to try and pick it up.

David

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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] Syd - Channel 7 TV - Now - Rageing Planet - US Lightning Research /  Experiments.

Cool tornado pictures - When are we going to see video of Aussie tornadoes
on shows like this?

David

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

<x-html>
<html><DIV>
<P><BR><BR></P>Hi all, </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>BOM/Chaser interaction should be encouraged by the Bom after all they're getting something for nothing. My view is that we/you should ring the Bom at times when the weather has become nasty and they are occupied doing other things like:</DIV>
<DIV>a) answer the incoming calls, 
<DIV></DIV>b) brief the SES on the situation, and 
<DIV></DIV>c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order) </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>But a better system of working would be to catch possible severe weather before it strikes by using the spotters and chasers for specific info, thus resources could be organized and deployed&nbsp;before or as the weather strikes instead of taking extra time after the event. This way people badly affected with storm damaged would have help on hand almost immeadiately. On top of this more specific warnings could be issued and more detailed info could be passed onto the general public. This would enable people to be better prepared as most people take the attitude "It won't happen to me" but if a Severe Thunderstorm Warning was issued for certain towns then more people would take notice and do something about it would would cut the damage bill.</DIV>
<DIV>I have managed to sway the Bom&nbsp;once, I could tell it was snowing lower than there road weather alert warned of so I emailed them, within the hour the warning had changed. I wasn't sure whether it would have an effect on them but I was pleased to see they were prepared to listen.</DIV>
<DIV>So I reckon the best solution is to use the spotters to pick where the weather is likely to hit and work from there rather than waiting for something to happen then taking reports to help them update there forecasts. Obviously reports as the storms strike are still useful in monotoring whats happening but in many cases it may be too late for some people to find out about possible severe storms just as a storm hits them.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Daniel</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Jimmy Deguara <JDEGUARA at IHUG.COM.AU>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: aussie-weather at egroups.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: aussie-weather at egroups.com 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:50:15 +1100 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hi Jane, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I will comment on your e-mail in sections 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;At 09:25 PM 22/01/01 +1100, you wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Michael &amp; all, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I guess a lot of what happens at the BoM's end depends on how many phones they 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;are answering &amp; tasks they are carrying out at the time. This is where I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;think 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;that spotters ringing in is so incredibly useful - there's a fair chance that 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;the BoM guys don't have much of a chance to ring out. On at least one day 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;when 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I rang Severe Wx (Melb) to report large hail near Tallarook on behalf of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Macca, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;they (the guys in Severe Wx) wouldn't have had time to ring out as at the time 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;they were hard pressed to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;a) answer the incoming calls, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;b) brief the SES on the situation, and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I do understand that the Sydney Severe Weather Section personnel "believe 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;or perhaps joke about" (and perhaps they are) the busiest in the nation. So 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;they have to "direct their resources" as you mention above and we have to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;contact them. This can prove difficult as if I am in pursuit and out of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;range of mobile, then I may not be able to. This is when the storm is in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;operation.. I have in a couple of occasions relayed information via someone 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;else to send through.. However, what about in the developing stage. I think 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;a lot can be gained from interaction between both parties here. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I think the main priority is for registered storm spotters to contact the BoM 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;(not the other way around) - I think Paul Yole's idea of putting the contact 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;numbers for each state up on the ASWA page is an excellent one). 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Certainly, if the BoM has half a chance and they are aware of someone in the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;area of interest, they can contact them (as has happened in Victoria more than 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;once) to ask that if they observe a particular area or suspected development 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;could they report it in immediately, but it depends on the manpower available 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and the situation. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I can tell you now Jane, policies differ in different states. I will throw 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;a party if the BoM Severe Weather Section in Sydney EVER contact a storm 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;chaser (mobile storm spotter). The legal liability is the reason they give 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;which is fair enough. However, I don't expect them to ring us to tell us 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;where to go. I have said this time and time again. I believe just receiving 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;reports from a mobile storm spotter basis is so helpful and covers more 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;territory as Michael has suggested. But I don't think they will even do 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;this. This is a shame as the amount of reports I have handed to the Bureau 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;is minimal. I have to "direct my resources" in writing up reports etc and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;chasing storms. They have available detailed information in the reports 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;after the events. But are they supporting storm chasing by getting 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;information off storm chasers' sites? Do they have the time? Should we put 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;together a summary and send them or do we send a hell of a lot of spotter 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;cards for each storm we experience. Now if we don't experience it then it 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;cannot be included ie very heavy rainfall, large hail, very strong winds. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;It is the aftermath that may help. But again is this encouraged? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;It is the real time data though that is what they need more of. I think the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;development stage is so crucial. But is our judgement trusted? I sometimes 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;wonder. Do we get these wall clouds we have claimed particularly in the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;last couple of years? I think turning up to ASWA meetings or perhaps 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;arranging special meetings when they are available during the season or the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;off-season will help prove or disprove this. I am quite happy to do that... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;As to the real time data, I think the idea of setting up a radio network as 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Glen O'Riley suggested that can cover the entire state for those that can 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;afford it is an excellent way of disseminating information to the Bureau. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The Bureau here in Sydney were going to do it some years back but I suppose 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;funding is the problem. ASWA can set it up if we decide this is the go, but 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;is the Bureau interested in having this information and some sort of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;receiver given to them so that they know what is going on. Well I will 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;leave this up to them to comment. I think a phone number separate from the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;normal 1800 number is another possibility and it should be separate from 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;their personal ones or others that are available. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Maybe if anyone is going to be out in the field that they make the Severe Wx 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;area in their state aware of this when they let the list know (do the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Severe Wx 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;areas in each state have a dedicated email address? and would they be 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;interested?) I ring BoM Severe Wx in Victoria if I'm going out in the field 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and there is a likelihood of encountering severe weather to let them know 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&amp; and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;this has always been appreciated. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I will ring the BoM here if they have an interest but at this stage like I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;said, they legally aren't... not "field information" just spotter reports 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;as they feel they are condoning storm chasing. I seriously just don't have 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;the time to send reports of spotter cards. I think the information 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;mentioned on this list and in our reports are far more detailed and give a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;better picture than what is mentioned on spotter cards. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Jane 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Michael Bath wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;<SNIP> 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I seriously don't know what is the answer to all this. The radio idea 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;mentioned above? I know for a fact we are dedicated spotters and storm 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;chasers. What works well in the United States which is where this concept came? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I recall Blair mentioning and also you Jane in this e-mail, the problem of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;having too many phone calls coming through. Is it a good idea to have too 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;many spotters especially in any one town? I think this is the issue as 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;worked out in Queensland. Those that are not interested in spotting should 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;be wiped off the spotter list - a survey will help in this regards. But you 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;have to keep in contact with those that maintain an interest. Apparently, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;this is now being looked into which is encouraging. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Like I said in a previous e-mail, it would be great if a committee be set 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;up between the Bureau, AMOS and ASWA members to try and think of ways to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;improve the spotter network. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Jimmy Deguara 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; What would the BoM like from chasers? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; What do other people think on this issue? 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; regards, Michael 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-------------------------------- 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Jane ONeill - Melbourne 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;cadence at stormchasers.au.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Melbourne Storm Chasers 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.stormchasers.au.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;ASWA - Victoria 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.severeweather.asn.au 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;from 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Schofields, Sydney 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;NSW Australia 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Web Page with Michael Bath 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Australian Severe Weather Home Page 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.australiasevereweather.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://www.severeweather.asn.au 
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Hi People, how is everyone's summer going, good??

Well Vic's weather is set to look interesting, I'm in Colac at the moment, 
had some nice Cumulus Towers loom overhead, had a quick burst of large drops 
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anyway good hunting.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] New Lightning Photos

Hi Everyone,

Andrew Maben has scanned in some lightning photos he took during the early
hours of the morning January 18 - and there are some pearlers!  You can view
them thumbnailed in the report

http://www.bsch.au.com/reports/17-18_01_01.shtml

Or scroll through them full size

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/andrew/180101_01.shtml

The higher the number the better they get! ie.

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/andrew/180101_06.shtml  *drool*

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/andrew/180101_07.shtml *drool!!!!!*

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/andrew/180101_11.shtml  *drool*


Also, Jason Rainforest managed to capture a few bolts on film.  His photos
are also in the above report, or you can view them fullsize here

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/lem/170101_01.shtml

One of my favourites from Jason is this one

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/lem/170101_05.shtml

When i cam home from chasing around midnight-1am (guessing), i saw at least
half a dozen clear air anvil-ground strikes like the one above over a period
of about 5 mins - some of them were strobing!!! this is something i don't
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Subject: [aussie-weather] my weather forecast from WTWO-TV 2

A cold front will move in Tuesday and bring more clouds but a SW wind in
advance of the front will bump the temp to near 42ºF. Behind the front
on Wednesday, it will be cooler with a high near 32ºF and a few
flurries possible. 

FACTOID: The only measurable snow here at WTWO-TV NewsChannel 2 during
January was 1.5" early on News Year's Day! What a change from December! 

TONIGHT: 
Fair with a SW wind at 5-10 mph and cool. Temp:  23ºF
 
TUESDAY: 
More clouds with a SW wind at 10-15 mph and mild. Temp:  42ºF
 
TUESDAY NIGHT: 
Partly cloudy with a NW breeze and cool. Temp:  23 ºF

WEDNESDAY: 
Mostly cloudy with flurries possible and a little cooler. Temp: 
34ºF

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Subject: [aussie-weather] severe thunderstorm warnings

Hi all,

This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something that's 
been bugging me for a while:

In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? I believe 
the Grafton radar is the same type as used in Sydney, so must be generating 
the same high resolution scans. It covers from Coffs Harbour to Byron Bay 
and from the eastern Great Divide to the coast very well, and we get plenty 
of severe storms!

We are fortunate in the Lismore area to have 2 radio stations 2LM on AM and 
2ZZZ on FM who both read the ADVICES regularly when one is issued (ABC 2NR 
is also based in Lismore but has statewide, not local content during the 
afternoon). I'm sure 2LM and 2ZZZ would read a more important warning if it 
was issued. Even the TV (NBN at least) broadcast the advices up here, 
unlike metro areas.

Why is it so?

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<DIV><FONT size=2>Quite interesting to look at the current Sydney obs and see 
the differences in DP's and temp. South West of Sydney its topping near the 
38&nbsp;degree mark with Dp's of around 16-19. West of Sydney&nbsp;the temos are 
a fraction lower but the DP's are higher, about 19-22. On the coast temps are a 
little&nbsp;lower and DP's are around the 22 mark. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The point of this obscure email is that i was looking at the 
Terry Hills temp and DP of 33/25 noting that is considerable higher than most 
places from the seabreeze perhaps. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>But here in Blaxland, roughly the same evelvation ( perhaps a 
little higher 350m) the temp is 37 and the DP is 26 which is the highest i have 
seen it in a dry situation (i.e. when its not been raining nor than thick humid 
drizzle) Anyway, just an interesting range of figures, and some great DPs with 
high temps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Thick moisture haze out west with some 'suspicious'looking cu 
to my SW</FONT></DIV>
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Sorry Michael,

The cynic has just appeared.  It is obvious to anyone who has lived beyond
the Great Divide and outside the Sydney Metro Area, that you do not exist
other than for the greater glory for Sydney.  This is despite the fact that
some of the best information comes from these areas.  It is rather a strange
thing!!!!!

Carolyn


> Hi all,
>
> This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something that's
> been bugging me for a while:
>
> In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? I believe
> the Grafton radar is the same type as used in Sydney, so must be
generating
> the same high resolution scans. It covers from Coffs Harbour to Byron Bay
> and from the eastern Great Divide to the coast very well, and we get
plenty
> of severe storms!
>
> We are fortunate in the Lismore area to have 2 radio stations 2LM on AM
and
> 2ZZZ on FM who both read the ADVICES regularly when one is issued (ABC 2NR
> is also based in Lismore but has statewide, not local content during the
> afternoon). I'm sure 2LM and 2ZZZ would read a more important warning if
it
> was issued. Even the TV (NBN at least) broadcast the advices up here,
> unlike metro areas.
>
> Why is it so?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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>   McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
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Hi MB,

The BoM have set areas stating where they're allowed to issue warnings
and advices for.  For example, in QLD warnings will only be issued for
SE QLD, Wide Bay and Capricornia.  Sometimes when things are really
hotting up elsewhere, since they're not "allowed" to issue a severe
thunderstorm warning, they'll issue a severe weather warning instead.

From my understanding, this is more so Bureau policy then what the
forecasters actually want.

AC

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something that's
> been bugging me for a while:
> 
> In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? I believe
> the Grafton radar is the same type as used in Sydney, so must be generating
> the same high resolution scans. It covers from Coffs Harbour to Byron Bay
> and from the eastern Great Divide to the coast very well, and we get plenty
> of severe storms!
> 
> We are fortunate in the Lismore area to have 2 radio stations 2LM on AM and
> 2ZZZ on FM who both read the ADVICES regularly when one is issued (ABC 2NR
> is also based in Lismore but has statewide, not local content during the
> afternoon). I'm sure 2LM and 2ZZZ would read a more important warning if it
> was issued. Even the TV (NBN at least) broadcast the advices up here,
> unlike metro areas.
> 
> Why is it so?
> 
> Michael
> 
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:41:47 +1100
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Basically, anywhere outside a capital city doesn't get these, but you get
used to it after a while.....It's the same as out here in the Wimmera in the
West of Vic. Had some awsome storms out here, but with barely any radar
coverage, I guess you can't expect too much.

Paul

> Sorry Michael,
>
> The cynic has just appeared.  It is obvious to anyone who has lived beyond
> the Great Divide and outside the Sydney Metro Area, that you do not exist
> other than for the greater glory for Sydney.  This is despite the fact
that
> some of the best information comes from these areas.  It is rather a
strange
> thing!!!!!
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something
that's
> > been bugging me for a while:
> >
> > In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? I
believe
> > the Grafton radar is the same type as used in Sydney, so must be
> generating
> > the same high resolution scans. It covers from Coffs Harbour to Byron
Bay
> > and from the eastern Great Divide to the coast very well, and we get
> plenty
> > of severe storms!
> >
> > We are fortunate in the Lismore area to have 2 radio stations 2LM on AM
> and
> > 2ZZZ on FM who both read the ADVICES regularly when one is issued (ABC
2NR
> > is also based in Lismore but has statewide, not local content during the
> > afternoon). I'm sure 2LM and 2ZZZ would read a more important warning if
> it
> > was issued. Even the TV (NBN at least) broadcast the advices up here,
> > unlike metro areas.
> >
> > Why is it so?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >   =============================================================
> >   Michael Bath      mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au
> >   McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
> >   NE NSW Australia  http://www.lightningphotography.com/
> >   ASWA Secretary    http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
> >   =============================================================
> >
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The weather should really begin to become interesting in Adelaide tomorrow 
(Wednesday).  Severe thunderstorms in the afternoon and evening are a good 
possibility, heavy falls are expected north of Adelaide, possibly extending 
into the Adelaide area.  Moisture will definately not be a problem and a 
very deep trough will develop to the west hopefully aiding some good 
development.  Hopefully some sunshine will develop around the middle of the 
day so it will be easier to spot some good convection and take some good 
pictures.  This is the best chance Adelaide has had for thunderstorms in 
ages.  I can't wait!!! I can only hope it comes true.  Were dissapointed 
many times last year.  I am dying to hear the sound of thunder and hopefully 
see some lightning.  It has been so long!  I suppose other South 
Australian's will be out chasing tomorrow.  Good luck!



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Subject: [aussie-weather] warming world... response to Lindsay.

Lindsay Pearce, wrote..

>Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about global warming and the
>reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring us colder winters not
>just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's current winter etc. Didn't
>get any replies, that's cool :-)

Must admit I thought about replying, but couldn't think of a good reference
source at the time.
Anyway, gone back and chased up a couple of reports. So here goes-

There are indeed places which have shown some cooling, against a backdrop of
rather general warming (which globally has amounted to around 0.8C over the
past century). The rate of warming/cooling varies quite substantially from
place to place (as you would expect given the noisiness of climate), and
also varies depending on which season you look at, and whether you look at
max, min, or mean temperature.
Of course, as the greenhouse signal become stronger, the noise will become
less and less important, and regions of cooling will become fewer and fewer.

Anyway, concentrating on annual average temperatures,

For max temperature the eastern sea board of Canada and the USA have shown
modest cooling, as has a small region around the Mediterranean, far east
Asia (particularly around China), and parts of southern South America. Parts
of NSW (and a few other isolated regions around the globe have also shown
limited cooling). Interestingly, the largest areas of cooling substantially
coincide with those regions where aerosol pollution/haze/smog is greatest,
and indeed at least anecdotally it appears that much of the cooling is
attributable to this pollution. We don't know why parts of NSW have shown
slight cooling, though this is probably due to slight changes in the
preferred location of highs - for example at the same time NZ has shown very
strong warming.

For minimum temperatures very few regions have shown cooling. The "main"
exceptions being parts of Canada (indeed this may be an artefacts of
observational practice changing), eastern China, and parts of the middle
east.

Over the oceans, "max" and "min" temperatures are not measured, and are
pretty meaningless, but in the "mean" the north Pacific has shown a cooling
as has the west North Atlantic near Iceland. You really can't say much about
the southern Oceans because the observational data is so sparse, though the
rapid shrinkage of glaciers at places like southern Patagonia, Heard Island,
and Antarctic Peninsula suggest quite general warming.

The cooling in the north Atlantic and north Pacific Oceans seems to
substantially reflect a strengthening in the general mid latitude westerlies
of the northern hemisphere this century (commonly measured or referred to as
the Atlantic Oscillation or North American - North Atlantic Oscillation),
with the stronger than normal winds having cause local cooling through
greater mixing (of cool water up/warm water down) and enhanced evaporation.
This same strengthening substantially explains why certain areas have warmed
very rapidly this past century - such as Siberia and Artic Canada because
the westerlies have meant a substantial erosion of the "climatological"
surface inversions which occur over these areas, and a very substantial
warming in winter as a result. This is not quite the story the sceptics give
- where there lack of understanding - is highlighted by the fact they claim
Siberia has warmed so much because of fraudulent reading of temperatures to
increase coal/energy allocations.... Dynamical changes - ie changes in
circulation of the atmosphere or ocean - largely explain the variation in
the rate of increase/decrease across much of the globe, but cannot explain
the overall global tendency for warming.

>Does anyone have any links or thoughts as to why Global Warming may indeed
>present us with more severe winters? I'd appreciate your input. I could say
>I'm preparing an article for our local paper or that I'm presenting a talk
>at our local school but to be honest, I just wanna know, coz I like cold
>weather, :-) Winter...Bring it on! LOL

Hate to say it but you are pretty much out of luck. The atmosphere is just
too zonal across most of the Southern Hemisphere to foster some of the
"wild" swings in climate which have been postulated in the Northern
Hemisphere. To have a cooling we really require a substantial and persistent
change in our local atmospheric circulation. Such things have been
postulated for the Northern Hemisphere gulf stream and similar areas of the
globe, but really are very very unlikely in our region in the long term -
one possibility is a change to the El Nino phenomenon which would not impact
substantially on temperatures (compared to the "greenhouse effect") but
could forcibly have a very big impact on rainfall.

I guess a point to note in all this is that while their is an easily
detected, statistically significant, and indeed historically unprecedented
rise in global temperatures of, say, 0.8C since 1900, temperature
variability outside of the tropics is so great that we will still see cold
extremes on daily and monthly times scales for many years to come. For
example, if you look at Melbourne, a reasonable estimate of the range of
maximum temperatures we are likely to see in the course of a century for
winter is around 5C through to 27C (under current climate). Add a
climatologically large warming of 1C, and we still will see temperatures
down to 6C - in most people's thinking not very different from 5C - ie damn
cold. Of course, climatologically this means that "temperature zones" for
fauna/flora are effectively moved 150m up hill, or 150km closer to the
pole.... a very substantial change indeed.
It is to be expected that temperature records of all types will fall in a
warming world, but with an increasing tendency for these to be on the warm
side, rather than the cold.

Cheers,

David.

                                                              
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Also Michael, when is the Sydney BOM going to give the same level of
specific information as their counterparts in SE Queensland... they
rarely state where any storms are and where/how/speed etc of movement.
No excuses for this.... hope the new Director will make a difference,
but when?
Don W

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something that's
> been bugging me for a while:
> 
> In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? I believe
> the Grafton radar is the same type as used in Sydney, so must be generating
> the same high resolution scans. It covers from Coffs Harbour to Byron Bay
> and from the eastern Great Divide to the coast very well, and we get plenty
> of severe storms!
> 
> We are fortunate in the Lismore area to have 2 radio stations 2LM on AM and
> 2ZZZ on FM who both read the ADVICES regularly when one is issued (ABC 2NR
> is also based in Lismore but has statewide, not local content during the
> afternoon). I'm sure 2LM and 2ZZZ would read a more important warning if it
> was issued. Even the TV (NBN at least) broadcast the advices up here,
> unlike metro areas.
> 
> Why is it so?
> 
> Michael
> 
>   =============================================================
>   Michael Bath      mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au
>   McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
>   NE NSW Australia  http://www.lightningphotography.com/
>   ASWA Secretary    http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
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Hi group,

Michael Bath asked:
>This discussion on chaser/BoM interaction reminded me of something that's
>been bugging me for a while:
>
>In NSW why are only WARNINGS issued for the greater Sydney area? <snip>

Probably since there are well over 4 million taxpayers crammed into a small 
area which has recorded some of the most extreme severe weather phenemona, 
and hence costliest storms, in the country!

Michael, I see the main reason for the absence of warnings in regional areas 
as being to provide some uniformity across the state, which I suppose has 
political roots. Even though many regional radars would be suitable as the 
basis of a warning service, it would be difficult to justify blatantly 
giving some regional areas a higher priority service than others. For 
example, you could imagine if the BoM put out warnings for the Northern 
rivers then people on the Northern tablelands, would start wondering why 
Armidale wasn't warned more specifically before it got pummelled. Logically 
I would think that the Hunter Valley, if anywhere, would be next on the 
warning agenda, partly because, as a forecast district, it cops major storms 
probably more often than most other areas of the state, partly because it 
contains a major population centre, and also since a chunk of the lower 
Hunter, which is part of Greater Sydney politically, is already covered by 
the Sydney warning service.

Hopefully things will one day evolve to a point where warnings will be 
issued widely and with accuracy.

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Climate; Global warming,

Written offline: 5pm Tuesday.

Hi all,

Wow, it is humid up here today. Can't imagine what its like in Sydney
tonight, must be muggy. I recorded 33.1 degrees today.
There was quite a few folk fanning themselves in town today and that's not a
common sight up here.

It'll be interesting to see what sort of minimum we get overnight.

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>
> hi lindsay, I read a book titled "the coming global
> superstorm"  basically it says that global warming
> COULD trigger an ice age.And I quote " Global warming
> is about to cause the North Atlantic Current,which
> pumps warm water into the arctic, to suddenly drop to
> a more southerly route.This will cause an explosive
> change in climate, spawning a massive storm as cold
> arctic air is freed to pour south, clashing with
> overheated air in temperate zones.What will it be
> like?
> Blizzard conditions,sustained winds in excess of
> 100mph
> massive snowfalls.Death rates appraoching 100% beneath
> the interior of the storm.If it happens in the summer,
> massive flooding will occur.If it happens during the
> winter, it will bring the dawn of a new ice age." End
> quote. Might sound like a load of crap but it was a
> very entertaining read :)  In the book it explains all
> the details and technicalities of how it might
> happen.Most good bookshops should stock it.Have a read
> and maybe a chuckle.......could open your mind to any
> new ideas. cya
> --- Lindsay Pearce <writer at lisp.com.au> wrote: >
> Written offline: Monday 7:30am
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Haven't been around much lately, my local ISP is
> > having compatibility
> > problems with my new computer's modem, so I am
> > getting cut off very few
> > minutes or so, even if I do now have unlimited hours
> > :-(. Anyone know of
> > Conexant modems? It's an internal one from a topline
> > computer company.Works
> > fine on their own server but not my local ISP.
> >
> > Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about
> > global warming and the
> > reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring
> > us colder winters not
> > just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's
> > current winter etc. Didn't
> > get any replies, that's cool :-)
> >
> > Does anyone have any links or thoughts as to why
> > Global Warming may indeed
> > present us with more severe winters? I'd appreciate
> > your input. I could say
> > I'm preparing an article for our local paper or that
> > I'm presenting a talk
> > at our local school but to be honest, I just wanna
> > know, coz I like cold
> > weather, :-) Winter...Bring it on! LOL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lindsay Pearce
> > Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> > Email: writer at lisp.com.au
> >
> >
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Bathurst Info 

23/01/2001 6:50pm.

Info from my Weather Station located in Bathurst

Max Temp 40.6

Now 36

Pressure 1011 and falling

Dew Point 10

Humidity 20 %

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Wave cloud / Vic weather

Afternoon all,

I've put up a few shots of the 'change' that went through Melbourne on
Saturday, primarily so I can get someone who knows to give me a name to
put to the first shot of the wave cloud - absolutely stunning but I
don't know what to call it..... could someone please give it a name?

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/20_01_01.htm

That low in the middle & upper levels that's been meandering around
Queensland for the past few days and is now in northern SA looks set to
drift S - SE  & swing towards Victoria. Couple that with a long wave
trough strengthening to the SW of WA, a very steep temperature gradient
to the W of Vic & the SW of SA at 850hPa, strengthening northerly winds
over Vic, increasing water vapour, and we could have an interesting few
days coming up probably from Thursday if everything happens at around
the same time.  We've had AcCas & floccus every day for almost a week
(aaaah, feel that subtropical air....), middle level showers, some
sparks about the place from embedded Cb's this morning that really
haven't got anyone's attention...yet!! - now if we could have a couple
of clear patches to allow convection to get going, we could really enjoy
ourselves!!!

Looking forward to the next few days.....

Jane

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----- Original Message -----
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> Afternoon all,
>
> I've put up a few shots of the 'change' that went through Melbourne on
> Saturday, primarily so I can get someone who knows to give me a name to
> put to the first shot of the wave cloud - absolutely stunning but I
> don't know what to call it..... could someone please give it a name?
>
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/20_01_01.htm
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Hi Jane + All, I would suggest that the cloud was somewhere around the
20-25000' height and a high form of Altocumulus  (despite the textbook
altitude cutoff for Ac) or low form of cirrus. It appears cirriform to me
owing to its ''brightness''. Thus I would name it Cirrocumulus undulatus
lacunosus. This banded structure occurs when the cloud forms in a region of
focused vertical shear, commonly associated with a jetstream. The lacunosus
structure being visible in the collection of small clear holes in the top
right of the cloud. Anyhow - hope I'm right..  Damien.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Mobile Doppler Radiation - was Raging Planet


Hello All,

Caught Raging Planet last light.  First time I have seen this particular
episode.  Must have been at Uni the other nights it was on.

One thing that struck me was how close people stood near the Doppler radar
when it was running.  I always understood that these things are powerful
enough to cook one medium rare.  ( I have been told some grizzly 'death by
microwave' stories.)

Does anyone know the power output of these devices?  Maybe a good web page
with some stats?  And could the QLD ASWA rep sneak one in through customs as
a mobile carousel?

BTW, what ever happened to the helicopter idea?

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Hey SG,

I cannot chase tomorrow due to lack of "go juice" in the car, but yes 
tomorrow does look promising, lets hope something comes out of it, hell we 
need the rain, and the lightning and thunder will be an extra bonus, a 
little something for us waiting all this time, maybe a supercell would be 
nice as a break in the drought. Ahhh can only dream :) btw heaps of static 
on the HF radio tonight, shows there is quite a bit of activity around.



regards

Andrew


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>The weather should really begin to become interesting in Adelaide tomorrow 
>(Wednesday).  Severe thunderstorms in the afternoon and evening are a good 
>possibility, heavy falls are expected north of Adelaide, possibly 
>extending into the Adelaide area.  Moisture will definately not be a 
>problem and a very deep trough will develop to the west hopefully aiding 
>some good development.  Hopefully some sunshine will develop around the 
>middle of the day so it will be easier to spot some good convection and 
>take some good pictures.  This is the best chance Adelaide has had for 
>thunderstorms in ages.  I can't wait!!! I can only hope it comes 
>true.  Were dissapointed many times last year.  I am dying to hear the 
>sound of thunder and hopefully see some lightning.  It has been so 
>long!  I suppose other South Australian's will be out chasing 
>tomorrow.  Good luck!
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A weak southerly change has drifted into Sydney bringing cloud so low 
that most of the cities buildings have dissapeared from view. Even 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>G'day all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>as a relative newcomer to this forum I have a few 
questions to ask re BOM and the probs that seem to exist, at least from the 
group's point of view.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Has anyone approached BOM in an "OFFICIAL" way about 
the "problems" that exist? I'm not talking about getting on the phone and giving 
them a serve, or giving them a serve over the Email either. I'm talking 
about&nbsp;setting up a meeting with a view to providing a solution, or maybe 
tabling a document&nbsp;p</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>resenting the problems, 
offering&nbsp;solutions and then illustrating the benefits of the solution/s. 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>-</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>It seems obvious to me that 
the BOM is of the opinion that "if it aint broke, don't fix it". It seems that 
i</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>n their eyes they do the job well, so what do they 
need this group for? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- In their eyes, it seems, they see it as more 
(unnecessary) work. Government Depts DESPISE spending money, unless they can see 
a monetary benefit in it, why should they spend money on building an 
infrastructure for communication (etc) where one (in their opinion) is not 
required?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Why should they have to maybe put on another person 
or three (remembering storms occur over the whole 24 hours in a day) to answer 
phone calls from spotters/chasers, etc, when they can do the job by sussing out 
the radar/Doppler screens? What do they do with the person/s in the 
"off-season"?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- How many times do they get it SO wrong that by having 
had us out in the field would&nbsp;have saved lives/property? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Do they have the budget&nbsp;to spend money on such 
an infrastructure? and Do the benefits of setting up such an infrastructure 
outweigh the costs? Remember, by not meeting budgets the Powers-that-be possibly 
get an arse-kicking (a cut in their bonuses, maybe?) not too many of us would 
sacrifice our bonuses.... or like our butts kicked!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- This group needs to&nbsp;PROVE to BOM that&nbsp;THEY 
would benefit from an ALLIANCE with us. Is there a benefit to BOM in setting up 
contacts/contact numbers/24 hour access, etc?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I am not trying to be offensive (nor am I going into 
bat for&nbsp;BOM) I am just&nbsp;asking the question. I hope I haven't offended 
anyone, but it was getting to the stage that all the BOM bashing was getting a 
bit ho-hum, whether it was warranted or not. Providing a solution is better than 
dwelling on the problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I may, as a new kid on the block, with&nbsp;no 
experience in this matter, cop a bit of a serve for asking the above, but these 
were just a few things that were going through my mind. I welcome answers to the 
above by any who care to provide them. I can almost guarantee I will get 
differing opinions/answers.... maybe that is&nbsp;part of the prob... no 
consolidated approach to the BOM.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Food for thought....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Thrax</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>(in a very boring Latrobe Valley... for storms 
anyway!)</FONT></DIV>
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WOW, what a list of questions. But all very good ones. For my sake as well, 
there's a few in there that I wouldn't mind knowing the answers to, so 
anyone who knows go ahead and post it here.

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>***THANK YOU***THANK YOU***
>
>Hello to all you weather lovers its WW here and i have a few questions for 
>people...
>
>***I want to say in advance to save your time in replying...If you know of 
>a website to teach people about monitoring***
>***or observing weather then let me know instead of replying***
>
>You dont have to post to the group just to faerinelda at hotmail.com I know i 
>am an ignoramus but just really want to know what you are talking about 
>when you speak and for my own hobby sake as I love it and would like to 
>know more about it. i hope this isnt a pain just want to learn more is all. 
>Hope you are all well and want you to know i really appreciate your help 
>(in advance)
>
>I have been monitoring the emails here for a while now and would like to 
>ask the following questions...
>
>What is CG lightning?
>           How is it formed?
>           Where will i see it?
>           What other lightnings will i see and where?
>Does a lower Himidity cause more electricity?
>Thunderstorm formation requires...
>           Cumulo nimbus cloud (aka CB clouds) right?
>           Humidities above 50%?
>           hot weather with a cool change?
>           a certain altitude?
>           (what else?)
>Now...DP is short for Dew point but what is Dew Point and its significance 
>with weather?
>           Is it better to have lower DP per temp or higher?
>Is Doppler a more specialised form of Radar?
>How do I measure the mm of rainfall at home?
>           does anyone konw of any websites I can go to for home weather 
>kits etc like making your own wind measure or rain gauge?
>When the wind is blowing from the NE do we say it is a NEasterly or a 
>SWesterly?
>How does the altitude of a cloud dictate the weather patterns to be 
>followed or vice versa?
>This was kind of explained to me by Jane (thank you Jane) but I have lost 
>that e-mail (computer issues) and want to know what is Altocumulus 
>Castellatus?
>What is hPa?
>Is it associated with the pressure systems? the little isobar thingys?
>What are the lines with numbers in/on them and how are they relevant? are 
>they synopt's? (i dont think so tim) um isobars?
>What is an LI?
>What is/are Cgs?
>What is ASWA?
>What is an Inversion?
>What frequency on the AM radio can I hear the lightning?
>What is mB?
>What is AWS? (as in Frankston AWS were...)
>Does anyone know where I can find a conversion chart from Knots to Kms and 
>F to C in temp?
>&
>What is wind shear, how is it caused, where will I see it???
>Do downdraughts have any accompaniements?
>
>Ok well this is a large kettle of fish you may be opening but i have to 
>ask. in clarification of a statement i made in my intro about chasing (i 
>want to say i didnt mean to chase with a group of people i meant to tag 
>along and pay but ive decided ... No!)
>
>thanks for your help (no more big q's i promise)
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:37:18 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] BOM interaction

Hello all.

How about approaching the BOM for something along these lines.

An ASWA member 'performing duty' or on call in the Bureau Office on a day
when a STA issued or T/storms are likely. The person has either a mobile
phone or a designated number that chasers / spotters only, could call in on.
Call/s comes in from spotter 'duty person' walks to other end of hallway and
presents standard handwritten observations or info into the in tray. 'Duty
person' knows so and so is out in the field rings spotter / chaser again
presents information. No need to drag BOM staff away from their duty to
answer phone but information is still coming in and the BOM have access if
required to some real time reliable observations in the field.

Yes, the duty person will have to be diplomatic at times and some offices
will knock it right on the head to begin with but would it be worth putting
forward a proposal in some states that have a positive and keen severe
weather section?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:45:27 +0800
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Hi Catherine,

Well were do we start on this list <g>, a Few URL's u can try are :-
on my and other ASWA members in WA site  at 
http://www.dsw.au.com/education/glossary/glossary.htm , which is biased
towards Australian terminology and condition's. Please bare in mind it
isn't totally complete as yet but a lot of terms are already there.
Other Sources of Weather information can be sort from these following
URL's u can try are :-
Meteorology Guide: the online guides
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/home.rxml
A Guide to the Lifted Index
http://www.nemas.net/edu/liftedindex/liftedindex.htm
Weather Glossary for Storm Spotters
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/severewx/branick2d.html#Glossary

Some Answer's for your questions below have been answered, but I would
advise you to check out the above url’s as they will be more acturate
will give you a lot more infomation for you to sift through. As will
other ppl that are on this list.


Catherine Elliott wrote:

>   I have been monitoring the emails here for a while now and would
> like to ask the following questions... What is CG lightning? <--  is
> an acronym for a cloud to ground lightning stroke.How is it formed?
> <-- the same as all lightning a build up of opposite electrical
> charge(s) with in the Thunderstorm ( Cumulonimbus Cloud ) that once it
> reaches such a level at which it over comes the insulating effect of
> air ( it breaks down ) it conduct's electricity which we see as the "
> flash ".Where will i see it? <-- Referring to a CG ?, if so With a CG
> this is more common from the base of the cloud to the ground with the
> cloud base negatively charged and this inducing a positive charge on
> the Ground and in the anvil of the storm. Or not quite as common and
> what’s called a Positive stroke where the CG comes out of the anvil of
> the storm and hit's the ground.What other lightnings will i see and
> where? <--  more than 90% of lightning is either in the cloud ( sheet
> lightning ) or between the different clouds ( cloud to cloud ( CC's )
> )Does a lower Himidity cause more electricity?Thunderstorm formation
> requires...Cumulo nimbus cloud (aka CB clouds) right? <-- yes, in the
> end result it does but all storms form from cumulus clouds of one form
> or another which are all cumuliform ( or convective ) types of clouds
> But other Certian conditions are also required to be present such as a
> trigger to initiate the Air to rise upward that is generally warmer
> moist air near the surface to lift and form convective clouds. If the
> conditions are right and the convection ( updrafts ) that are/is
> taking place are deep/strong enough Storms may form. There are many
> variations to these conditions that must be present also.Humidities
> above 50%? <-- not always, but higher humidity  at  the surface does help
> most of the time but other certain conditions must also be present.hot
> weather with a cool change?<-- yes you can but not always other
> certain conditions must also be present.a certain altitude? <--
> anywhere from the surface up to the mid-levels I think ? anyone else
> like to or care to comment ?(what else?)Now...DP is short for Dew
> point but what is Dew Point and its significance with weather?Is it
> better to have lower DP per temp or higher?<-- Higher means that there
> is more water vapour in the air ( more moisture ), if you were after
> possible storm development. The lower the DP temperature is the drier
> the air is ( the less moisture it holds ).Is Doppler a more
> specialised form of Radar? <-- when compared to conventional radar ?,
> yes it is as Doppler Radar and see the wind speed/direction in a storm
> or ( cloud ) and if it is moving towards or away from the radar. Les
> Lemon is the best person to answer this question , care to comment Les
> ?.How do I measure the mm of rainfall at home?does anyone konw of any
> websites I can go to for home weather kits etc like making your own
> wind measure or rain gauge? <-- as for building your own no. But there
> are companies out there that sell weather stations and other equipment
> related to them such as Rain Gauges, Anemometers ect…When the wind is
> blowing from the NE do we say it is a NEasterly or a SWesterly?<--
> Wind Direction is always given to the direction of the wind is coming
> or originating from. Some for your eg here it is a North Easterly.How
> does the altitude of a cloud dictate the weather patterns to be
> followed or vice versa?This was kind of explained to me by Jane (thank
> you Jane) but I have lost that e-mail (computer issues) and want to
> know what is Altocumulus Castellatus? <--  ( ACCAS ) Clouds are a
> mid-level based cloud that generally occur at an altitude of 6,500 ft
> - 16,5000 ft ( 2,000 - 5,000 M ). These clouds are often taller than
> they are wide and appear to have a Cumulus type structure to there
> development. With these clouds also often being a sign of Instability
> aloft due to the colder air that is above and may even precede the
> development of Thunderstorms.What is hPa?<-- is the acronym for
> Hectopascals , Which is a Metric Unit used to measure Atmospheric
> Pressure, normally expressed in Hectopascals and comes from the words
> Hecto meaning (1 x 10 to the power of 2 ) and Pascal which is the unit
> used to measure Pressure. Same as Millibars ( mB ).Is it associated
> with the pressure systems? the little isobar thingys? <-- Yes.What are
> the lines with numbers in/on them and how are they relevant? are they
> synopt's? (i dont think so tim) um isobars? <-- yes they are isobars
> if you are referring to them as on a synoptic chart ( such as one for
> msl ) a line connecting points of equal pressure. Air flows outward's
> and downwards in a Anticyclonic direction and away from area's of High
> Pressure towards area's of Low Pressure where it flow's inward and
> upward in a Cyclonic mannor in the Southern hemisphere.What is an LI?
> <-- is short for Lifted Index, are a common method used measure of
> atmospheric Instability. With negative values indicating an Unstable
> atmosphere and a more + LI value indicating a more Stable atmosphere,
> Thus the more negative its value is the more unstable it is and the
> stronger the updrafts are likely to be with any developing
> Thunderstorms. The opposite is also true the more positive the value
> is the more stable the air is. These values are obtained by computing
> the Temperature that air near the ground would have if it were lifted
> to some higher level and comparing that computed temperature to the
> actual temperature at that level.What is/are Cgs? <-- with reference
> to Lightning ? if so that would be numerous or more than one CG.What
> is ASWA? <-- is the Australian Severe Weather Association see our web
> address http://www.severeweather.asn.au/What is an Inversion? <-- is a
> Layer of Air were the Temperature increase with height a reversal of
> the normal atmospheric temperature gradient with height. An inversion
> will suppress convection of any clouds that may form as the Air above
> the inversion is warmer than the air below and normally drier also.
> Inversions normally occur anywhere between 300M and 3000M above ground
> level. The best example of an inversion is the Tropopause.What
> frequency on the AM radio can I hear the lightning? <-- try a low
> frequency on the AM band one that is off station for weeker and or
> distant Lightning. If you use a Frequency that has an AM radio station
> on it you will only hear the more stronger or closer Strike's. Andy
> care to comment further ?.What is mB? <-- same as hPa.What is AWS? (as
> in Frankston AWS were...) <-- is short for Automatic Weather
> StationDoes anyone know where I can find a conversion chart from Knots
> to Kms and F to C in temp?&What is wind shear, how is it caused, where
> will I see it??? <--  the motion ( Vertical ) that usually results
> from the change in either the wind speed / direction or both with
> height.Do downdraughts have any accompaniements? <-- yes they do, here
> is a few of the more common ones Microbursts both of the wet and dry
> types. RFD Rear Flank downdraft in a Supercell Thunderstorm are just a
> few of them. Ok well this is a large kettle of fish you may be opening
> but i have to ask. in clarification of a statement i made in my intro
> about chasing (i want to say i didnt mean to chase with a group of
> people i meant to tag along and pay but ive decided ... No!) thanks
> for your help (no more big q's i promise)WWCatherine

Mark Dwyer

Storm Chaser, Photographer & Webmaster of:
Downunder Severe Weather
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:04:17 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Weather:Nice Inversion in Melbourne

Well today is shaping up as a day of what ifs in Melbourne?

What if the cloud breaks up??, what if the invserion breaks??, what if the
seabreeze comes in??

Looking at the current Melbourne obs at 5.30am (yes i'm a nut), it is
currently 29 at Dunns Hill in the Dandenongs (about 600m) with a northerly
blowing, while down in the suburbs it's about 20 with light winds. Temps at
other higher altitude locations are also up, Ballarat, Mt Hotham, Baw Baw
and Falls Creek all warmer than Melbourne. North of the state the NW wind is
blowing at the surface, with Mildura sitting on 33.8!!!! The rest of the
mallee 30+  Not bad for 5am.

Now the big ? is whether the cloud going to break up enough to mix the
northerly down and give Melbourne a northerly??

I have no idea, the cloud cover has thickened and thinned throughout the
last few days, there is some clearance over NW Vic and eastern SA, so you
never know.

If Melbourne does get good breakage, some extreme temps are possible.

Could also be a major day of contrasts with very high temps in the northern
suburbs and low temps near the coast. A difficuit day for the BOM.

Will have a better idea at about 10am.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:59:25 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Weather: Cloud Movemnet

Hey All

6.30 update

Well after looking at a satellite picture loop it looks like the cloud is
moving down from the north, it's been directed by the upper level low over
SA. Some storms near the NSW/VIC border atm which look to be weakening, and
for once i hope they do to get some clearance, will help the temp and storms
later today :)

The temp at Dunns Hill continues to rise, up to 30.5 at 6.45am!!!

Some sunny patches around, but still mostly cloudy, if the invserion there
will be a huge temp jump.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 08:54:06 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] climate change...

Lindsay Pearce, wrote..

>Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about global warming and the
>reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring us colder winters not
>just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's current winter etc. Didn't
>get any replies, that's cool :-)

Had a couple of further thoughts on this after reading the latest
assessments of the IPCC which can be found at
http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf (this is very recent and slow to
download, presumably because of a lot of media interest). Australian "geeks"
may have seen a piece about this on the 7:30 report last night...

Anyway, those who doubt the potential severity of climate change should take
time to read this report.
The range of estimated global temperature change by 2100 is 1.4 to 5.8C
(extrapolation of current trends gives a value of ~2.5c) - the range
substantially reflects uncertainty in the future emissions - though
worryingly the higher values match our current rates of growth of CO2
emissions! Put simply, this report accepted by governments world wide as the
best estimate of climate change shows that under current practice, the world
will experience very substantial temperature increases - the magnitude tied
exactly to how much more greenhouse gasses we produce. It is hard to imagine
the consequences for the natural and human environment of a warming of ~6C,
which is projected as possible. At the very least snow would become an
extreme rarity for Lindsay - probably about a 1 in 500 year event... but
more generally one has to question how many of the present natural
ecosystems would continue to be viable under such a change.

Cheers,

David

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:16:07 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] severe thunderstorm warnings

Hi all,

At 12:26 23/01/2001 +1000, Anthony Cornelius wrote:

>The BoM have set areas stating where they're allowed to issue warnings
>and advices for.  For example, in QLD warnings will only be issued for
>SE QLD, Wide Bay and Capricornia.  Sometimes when things are really
>hotting up elsewhere, since they're not "allowed" to issue a severe
>thunderstorm warning, they'll issue a severe weather warning instead.
>
> From my understanding, this is more so Bureau policy then what the
>forecasters actually want.

I find this extraordinary: not allowed to issued warnings !  Can someone 
from the BoM explain this policy please?

I thought the BoM were the only agency allowed under federal law to issue 
warnings to the public, but I'm surprised there is a policy not to issue 
them for some sections of the community.  Do private forecasters have 
thoughts on this.  We are not allowed to issue, say ASWA TS warnings, but 
the BoM will not - hmmmmmm

At 16:43 23/01/2001 +1100, David Croan wrote:
[snip]

 >Michael, I see the main reason for the absence of warnings in regional areas
 >as being to provide some uniformity across the state, which I suppose has
 >political roots. Even though many regional radars would be suitable as the
 >basis of a warning service, it would be difficult to justify blatantly
 >giving some regional areas a higher priority service than others. For
 >example, you could imagine if the BoM put out warnings for the Northern
 >rivers then people on the Northern tablelands, would start wondering why
 >Armidale wasn't warned more specifically before it got pummelled. Logically
 >I would think that the Hunter Valley, if anywhere, would be next on the
 >warning agenda, partly because, as a forecast district, it cops major storms
 >probably more often than most other areas of the state, partly because it
 >contains a major population centre, and also since a chunk of the lower
 >Hunter, which is part of Greater Sydney politically, is already covered by
 >the Sydney warning service.

I understand your point, though I don't see why issuing warnings where the 
hardware is in place shouldn't be occurring right now. They can just expand 
the warnings as more radars are brought online. Why wait until the whole 
state has full doppler coverage (!!!!) before implementing this?  It's the 
same for any infrastructure, roads, mobile phones, whatever, some 
communities have to wait longer than others. The Grafton (and other NSW 
radars - eg. Hunter) radar is there and generating images that can be used 
to issue warnings. I guess this ties in with Anthony's point of not being 
allowed to issue warnings to some areas, but if the equipment is there ...

Just think what happened last Wednesday: a massive and very obvious 
supercell on radar heading north towards Casino, and not a warning in sight !

regards, Michael



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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:01:32 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Huge temp range in Melbourne

Hey all

There is a massive temperature range across Melbourne suburbs atm. At the
airport, north of the city, it is 36.1 at 9.40am, the inversion broke there
about 8am, in the city it's about 30 with light winds, slightly southerly,
and in the southern suburbs it's in the low 20's with a moderate southerly.
Going to be a war between the northerly and seabreeze today, with some
northern suburbs looking at 40+ while others struggle in the 20's. At my
place I am near the border, the temp and wind has increased and decreased
over the last hour. Atm though the southerly seem to have taken control at
my place):

Cloud cover is patchy.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Energex Lightning Tracker Archive - 17/01/01

Hi all,

For those who would have liked to witnessed the incredible and 
spectacular lightning activity around SE QLD and NE NSW on the night of 
17/18 January, Energex has archived its GPATS images for that date on 
the following link:

http://www.energex.com.au/weather/storm_animation.html

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:54:45 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Bathurst Weather 

10:55am 24/01 

Temp Now : 41.5 (Radio station says 38 top). 

Pressure: 1014

Dew Point:  17 

Humidity: 23%

Its a stinking hot day, think I will stay inside all day. 

Dave
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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 19:17:52 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: [aussie-weather] my weather forecast 1/23/01

is egroups being slow tonight?

jason j.

A cold front will bring a little cooler weather to the area on Wednesday
with a NW wind at 10-15 mph. It will be cool on Thursday but nothing
drastic with a high near 34ºF. Our next chance for precipitation will
come Friday with another stronger storm early next week. 

FACTOID: Fifteen of the first 23 days this month, the temp has been at
or 
above the freezing mark 32ºF! Not bad for January. 

TONIGHT: 
Partly cloudy with a West breeze and cool. Temp:  23ºF
 
WEDNESDAY: 
Partly sunny with a NW wind at 10-15 mph and cooler. Temp:  35ºF
 
WEDNESDAY NIGHT: 
Partly cloudy with a NW wind at 10-15 mph and a little cooler. Temp: 
18ºF 

THURSDAY:
Partly sunny with a NW breeze and cool.
Temp:  34ºF 


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Weather:Melbourne storms

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well the weather in Melbourne continues to 
surprise</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems the southerly that pushed up this morning 
was associated with a shallow surface trough, it hasn't effected Dunns Hill yet. 
This trough has added a nice trigger to the atmosphere and a number of high 
based Cb's have gone up around the metro area. I had a bit of thunder before and 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>North of the trough temperatures are soaring where 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Could be an interesting afternoon.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ohhh, STA just issued for SA.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Upper Blue Mountains hotter than some parts of Sydney!

Hi all,

 Midday obs of Sydney region show Mount Boyce (roughly 1100 ASL) at around
34C as being hotter than a lot of places in Sydney. The wind seems to have
more north in it here, how often is that the case, that we are so warm
compared to Sydney?

Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:05:01 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change...

Hi David and all,

Thanks David for your thoughts, it's really appreciated. Thank God we had a
nice snow season last year, is all I can say :-)

One of the things that prompted me to talk about the impact of climate
change on our winters here was a piece Don White wrote on 2/1 in The Daily
Telegraph and there he mentioned in the last paragraph on the WEATHER page,
"Hotter summers, colder winters and more severe storms, cyclones and freak
weather events might have to be something we come to terms with in the 21st
century."

Being a "Coldie", I liked the thought of more severe winters but wasn't sure
how that could be (Maybe in Europe, North America, it could happen? ie: more
snow but not colder...). I'm also not so obsessive with winter/snow that i
want to ignore the data and reality of global warming.

The stuff you wrote is really helpful David, you see, as a weather
enthusiast but obviously not a scientist, it's helpful for me to add such
good information to the discussions on global warming in the local
community, which are pretty common at the moment with our run of warm
weather. It's pretty much the first time in around two years we've had
REALLY warm weather here, so everyone starts talking about how hot it is.

Thanks again, your time is appreciated.

Lindsay Pearce
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Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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Subject: [aussie-weather] climate change...


> Lindsay Pearce, wrote..
>
> >Also, I posted an email a few weeks back about global warming and the
> >reasons as to why such a phenomenon might also bring us colder winters
not
> >just warmer summers, ie: our last winter, USA's current winter etc.
Didn't
> >get any replies, that's cool :-)
>
> Had a couple of further thoughts on this after reading the latest
> assessments of the IPCC which can be found at
> http://www.ipcc.ch/pub/spm22-01.pdf (this is very recent and slow to
> download, presumably because of a lot of media interest). Australian
"geeks"
> may have seen a piece about this on the 7:30 report last night...
>
> Anyway, those who doubt the potential severity of climate change should
take
> time to read this report.
> The range of estimated global temperature change by 2100 is 1.4 to 5.8C
> (extrapolation of current trends gives a value of ~2.5c) - the range
> substantially reflects uncertainty in the future emissions - though
> worryingly the higher values match our current rates of growth of CO2
> emissions! Put simply, this report accepted by governments world wide as
the
> best estimate of climate change shows that under current practice, the
world
> will experience very substantial temperature increases - the magnitude
tied
> exactly to how much more greenhouse gasses we produce. It is hard to
imagine
> the consequences for the natural and human environment of a warming of
~6C,
> which is projected as possible. At the very least snow would become an
> extreme rarity for Lindsay - probably about a 1 in 500 year event... but
> more generally one has to question how many of the present natural
> ecosystems would continue to be viable under such a change.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Adelaide storms!!!

Massive cells shooting up in the northern suburbs, STA just issued 
for Adelaide as well, mentioning storms over the Barossa.  They look 
great on radar, some hail included.  Lots of sunshine too here in 
Adelaide, great time for photos.  As I speak a large cell with a very 
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 04:37:29 GMT
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Upper Blue Mountains hotter than some parts of Sydney!

May be a lingering inversion, or the hotter northwesterlies taking
their time to mix down. By 3pm, Mt Boyce is still on 34.9 while
Penrith has gone up to 39.5, and most of Sydney west of Homebush is
>35. Bega is the interesting one with a 3pm temp of 42.2, only
surpassed (in NSW) by Nyngan on 42.4. By contrast, Sale, Bairnsdale
and Orbost are in the 23 to 25 range with light southeasterlies.

Patchy storm activity showing up on the radar SW of Sydney and moving
SE. I just had a bang of thunder to the N of Blackheath, but the only
thing on the radar is a pockmark or 2 of yellow well north of us but
heading S!

Anyone else finding the radar very slow to load at present? Both the
public and subscription radars are slow for me.

Laurier


On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:14:58 +1100, "Lindsay Pearce"
<writer at lisp.com.au> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
> Midday obs of Sydney region show Mount Boyce (roughly 1100 ASL) at around
>34C as being hotter than a lot of places in Sydney. The wind seems to have
>more north in it here, how often is that the case, that we are so warm
>compared to Sydney?
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
>Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Storms on the Central Tablelands, Illawarra ranges

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Upper Blue Mountains hotter than some parts of  Sydney!

I am watching Adelaide - starting to look interesting - radar is very
slow.

PC

wbc at ozemail.com.au wrote:
> 
> May be a lingering inversion, or the hotter northwesterlies taking
> their time to mix down. By 3pm, Mt Boyce is still on 34.9 while
> Penrith has gone up to 39.5, and most of Sydney west of Homebush is
> >35. Bega is the interesting one with a 3pm temp of 42.2, only
> surpassed (in NSW) by Nyngan on 42.4. By contrast, Sale, Bairnsdale
> and Orbost are in the 23 to 25 range with light southeasterlies.
> 
> Patchy storm activity showing up on the radar SW of Sydney and moving
> SE. I just had a bang of thunder to the N of Blackheath, but the only
> thing on the radar is a pockmark or 2 of yellow well north of us but
> heading S!
> 
> Anyone else finding the radar very slow to load at present? Both the
> public and subscription radars are slow for me.
> 
> Laurier
> 
> On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:14:58 +1100, "Lindsay Pearce"
> <writer at lisp.com.au> wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> > Midday obs of Sydney region show Mount Boyce (roughly 1100 ASL) at around
> >34C as being hotter than a lot of places in Sydney. The wind seems to have
> >more north in it here, how often is that the case, that we are so warm
> >compared to Sydney?
> >
> >Lindsay Pearce
> >Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> >Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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Subject: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Gust front just passed over Clayton, Melbourne


Hi all

Just telling ya'll that the most awesome gust front passed over Clayton
here. It was stretched out north-south and came from the west. Resulted in
strong winds ~60km/hr?, but now is calm with some rain on the way from the
northwest. Seeing it come from the west was just the most fantastic sight,
and there appeared to be a wave pattern on the top of it, that is, instead
of it having a smooth top, there were peaks along it. Currently have
the soft sound of thunder with the odd flash of lightning to calm me down.


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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] Mobile Doppler Radiation 

The mobile doppler units punch out 250 kW of peak power at ~ 9.370 GHz. 

I am pretty sure that the WSR-88D land-based doppler that the NWS uses has a
peak power of ~ 750kW.   

Anyhow I feel like I am stealing Les Lemon's thunder (no pun intended) so
I'd better stop!  :)


Mal Ninnes,
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P.S.   What exactly is the 'helicopter idea'?


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> From: 	Anthony Spierings[SMTP:as029 at bigpond.net.au]
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> Subject: 	[aussie-weather] Mobile Doppler Radiation - was Raging
> Planet
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Caught Raging Planet last light.  First time I have seen this particular
> episode.  Must have been at Uni the other nights it was on.
> 
> One thing that struck me was how close people stood near the Doppler radar
> when it was running.  I always understood that these things are powerful
> enough to cook one medium rare.  ( I have been told some grizzly 'death by
> microwave' stories.)
> 
> Does anyone know the power output of these devices?  Maybe a good web page
> with some stats?  And could the QLD ASWA rep sneak one in through customs
> as
> a mobile carousel?
> 
> BTW, what ever happened to the helicopter idea?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Anthony Spierings
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Subject: [aussie-weather] BoM and Weatherzone Down due to Overuse?

Hi all,

Been struggling to get images from the BoM for the past hour now, and
those I do get are slow.  Weatherzone has been even worse, and now I
get:

403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected

This error can be caused if the Web server is busy and cannot process
your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.

Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.

Anyone else having these problems?  Are both the servers problems due to
them not being able to cope with the demand?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:10:41 +1100
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Hi Anthony,

I finally got Sydney wide loop but it is only running 0340 - 0440
zulu.
I had Adelaide wide for a while but it dropped out, and Adelaide local
loop only loaded one frame and died.

PC

Anthony Cornelius wrote:
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.
> 
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> 
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> them not being able to cope with the demand?
> 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Way out west

The Northpower stormtraker is looking good out west of the ridge. 
Here's hoping for a cooler night at Gunnedah, just hope it can make 
it in time. Talking to a guy at Baradine just west of Coonabarabran 
about 3.00pm he said it was 39.7 on his verandah, just off a bit from 
the 40.1 at 2.00pm.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:08:38 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Gust front just passed over Clayton, Melbourne

Hi Robert & All,

Just back from watching some great CG's around Mooroolbark.

That gust front was the best I have ever seen.....  Hang on, it's the only
one I have ever seen.  From where I was standing on Manchester Rd. it went
from horizon to horizon.  It was huge.  Once it had passed overhead it
started to break up and then the real fun started.  CG's were going off
everywhere, saw one pulse 6 times.  Listening to the trusty old AM radio and
it was one bolt every second on average.  The high tension lines at the
north end of Edwards Lane got hit by a massive bolt and another struck round
the Croydon Hills area.  Unfortunately, the rain got too heavy to stay out
with the camera and parking under power lines probably wasn't the greatest
idea I have had.

It is now 17:08 and we still have the occasional rumble.

Chris
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>
> Hi all
>
> Just telling ya'll that the most awesome gust front passed over Clayton
> here. It was stretched out north-south and came from the west. Resulted in
> strong winds ~60km/hr?, but now is calm with some rain on the way from the
> northwest. Seeing it come from the west was just the most fantastic sight,
> and there appeared to be a wave pattern on the top of it, that is, instead
> of it having a smooth top, there were peaks along it. Currently have
> the soft sound of thunder with the odd flash of lightning to calm me down.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:06:03 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM and Weatherzone Down due to Overuse?

Hi Guys,

Try using the BOM's 'mirror site' - it's working fine for me now

http://mirror.bom.gov.au/


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> Hi Anthony,
>
> I finally got Sydney wide loop but it is only running 0340 - 0440
> zulu.
> I had Adelaide wide for a while but it dropped out, and Adelaide local
> loop only loaded one frame and died.
>
> PC
>
> Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Been struggling to get images from the BoM for the past hour now, and
> > those I do get are slow.  Weatherzone has been even worse, and now I
> > get:
> >
> > 403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
> >
> > This error can be caused if the Web server is busy and cannot process
> > your request due to heavy traffic. Please try to connect again later.
> >
> > Please contact the Web server's administrator if the problem persists.
> >
> > Anyone else having these problems?  Are both the servers problems due to
> > them not being able to cope with the demand?
> >
> > AC
> > --
> > Anthony Cornelius
> > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> > (07) 3390 4812
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Gust front just passed over Clayton, M

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi Cat,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I got two groups of four photo's of the gust front from 
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
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  <DIV>Oh My God...</DIV>
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  <DIV>I'm in frankston as you know and at about 340 i saw this masssive cloud i 
  mean it was huge and translucent but thick. it was really really low cloud as 
  well it was flurrying about a bit almost looked like funnels forming or the 
  like over the bay. it also appeared to be moving up and down as it went 
  towards the ENE. (i think that was the direction anyway). i want photos if 
  anyone got any let me know please i didnt have enough time to get my camera 
  from home so i sat at the pier. it was awesome. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>ok bye</DIV>
  <DIV>WW</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:16:04 +1000
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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] Mobile Doppler Radiation - was Raging Planet

If you buy one for each member of this group, you should be able to get them
half price! :-)

David

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Hello All,

Caught Raging Planet last light.  First time I have seen this particular
episode.  Must have been at Uni the other nights it was on.

One thing that struck me was how close people stood near the Doppler radar
when it was running.  I always understood that these things are powerful
enough to cook one medium rare.  ( I have been told some grizzly 'death by
microwave' stories.)

Does anyone know the power output of these devices?  Maybe a good web page
with some stats?  And could the QLD ASWA rep sneak one in through customs as
a mobile carousel?

BTW, what ever happened to the helicopter idea?

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Subject: RE: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Gust front just passed over Clayton, M

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  <DIV>I'm in frankston as you know and at about 340 i saw this masssive cloud i 
  mean it was huge and translucent but thick. it was really really low cloud as 
  well it was flurrying about a bit almost looked like funnels forming or the 
  like over the bay. it also appeared to be moving up and down as it went 
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  anyone got any let me know please i didnt have enough time to get my camera 
  from home so i sat at the pier. it was awesome. </DIV>
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  <DIV>WW</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:11:59 +0930
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] WEATHER: Adelaide Hills go off!

Hi all

Great little afternoon chase to the eastern edge of the Adelaide hills.
The low level trough cloud cover slowed convection this morning but by
midday it was clear, F***ing hot [again!] and the cells were starting to
pop up on radar to the north and east of adelaide.  Left work at 1.45 and
headed into the hills.  A mature anvil over the Mt Pleasant area and more
cells congesting to the north.  Given the southward nature of the cells
movement, I decided to head past Mt Pleasant to the Lofties eastern scarp
for action on the northern flank.

Past Mt Pleasant cells and lowerings were going off in all directions!  I
saw a small rope momentarily drop from a zone of turbulence at the back
edge of the aforementioned anvil, but it retreated before I could stop the
car.  Once parked on a rise, I had for the next hour the most beautiful
view of the next cell to the north west pulse through its entire life
cycle.  I got shots of rising scud, lowerings, prongs, a nice detached
arcus and more precip cascades than you could poke a lightning rod at.
Speaking of which, once the edge of the cell started to dump on me as it
skidded by to the west, it got really ligtning active and numerous strobing
CG's plopped down in the 1-2km range from me, one just missing a high
voltage pylon.  I was on a hill surrounded by shallow valleys, granite tors
and few trees, and the sound of the echoing thunder was constant [maybe we
should start to tape the sounds of storms so we can put the wav etc files
up on the net??????]

Heaps of new convection was being stoked up by outflow - took a shot of a
lowering under a new tower before I ran out of film! [note: take spare pack
dickhead!]

I've just heard an unnoficial report that Truro, some 40km north of my
location, received 100mm of rain, and it may have been from the storm I
photographed, if you can trust that slightly sus figure.

Anyways - just pulse stuff, but good fun and outflow winds sure do feel
good after 16 days of +35 degrees [a new recored for adelaide BTW....ouch]

Andrew etc - get up in them hills cause there are some primo CG's on offer
if the whole lot doesn't collapse at sundown.......

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TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1826 on Wednesday the 24th of January 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Riverina
South West Slopes

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon and
evening. Some of these are expected to be severe bringing damaging
winds
and very heavy rainfall. 

The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people
should:
  * put vehicles under cover 
  * move indoors away from windows

During and after the storm people should:
  * beware of fallen trees and power lines 
  * keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away 
  
The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & wipers on & slow
down in
the wet.
 
If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132
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emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm. 

TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for the Riverina and
Southwest
Slopes weather forecast district.

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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
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Issued at 1601 on Wednesday the 24th of January 2001

This advice replaces the advice issued at 1525 hrs. It affects people
in
the following weather districts:

Illawarra west of Picton to Kiama
Central Tablelands south of Lithgow to Cowra
Southern Tablelands east of a line Yass to Braidwood

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some
of
these are expected to be severe bringing damaging winds, heavy rain
and
large hailstones.

The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people
should:
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  * move indoors away from windows

During and after the storm people should:
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  * Keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away. 
   
The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & wipers on & slow
down in
the wet.
 
If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132
500 for
emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm. 

TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for parts of the
Illawarra,
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Thunder in Adelaide.  About time.  Going off line.  Praying to the rain gods.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Country yarns

Gday list,
    Just got back from a holiday driving around to places i've never been, 
coffs to tamworth, narrabri to walgett, coonabarabran etc,, man was it hot! 
i was loving it, 42-46C.  Great to see all these places that you always hear 
about from others storm chases and weather reports. Went to Colleranabri 
just because it sometimes gets the states top temps :). Anyway, most of the 
nights on the trip was spent talking to locals about there storm 
experiences, and i dont know whether they were talking yarns or exaggerating 
(some most probably!), but many said they were aware of and had experienced 
tornadic conditions.  While in  Lightning Ridge got told by 4 different 
people of a storm that occurred around the time of the Sydney hailstorm, 
50k's north of Lightning Ridge in which a large tornado was witnessed by 
many, which went on to destroy the township of Hellem (i think, just over 
the qld border). It took out a newly built community hall and its roof was 
found on a property 40kms away, it also shifted a 20 mtr diametre water tank 
over 5 kms down the highway. Many more stories, too many to mention, whens 
the NSW video night on, can't wait to see everyones stuff :) cheers, Rune
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Adelaide 6.30CST

So far no thunder or rain at my location 30 ks south of Adelaide yet, it
actually looks as though most of it is sticking to the Eastern side of the
ranges. The latest radar image shows some heavy falls occuring in the
northern suburbs but moving south very quickly. 
So far only a few reports of trees down and lots of small grass fires
started by lightning.

Cheers

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:51:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change...

Lindsay Pearce wrote:

> Thanks David for your thoughts, it's really appreciated. Thank God we had
a
> nice snow season last year, is all I can say :-)
> 
> One of the things that prompted me to talk about the impact of climate
> change on our winters here was a piece Don White wrote on 2/1 in The
Daily
> Telegraph and there he mentioned in the last paragraph on the WEATHER
page,
> "Hotter summers, colder winters and more severe storms, cyclones and
freak
> weather events might have to be something we come to terms with in the
21st
> century."

I want to mention that this report was issued at a politically 'crucial'
time and for a political goal.  While I failed to hear exactly what all the
politics involved were, I did understand that it was issued for a specific
political purpose both in timing and in content.  That really bothers me
very much.  So much of the scientific nature of these arguments have ended
up as a political football and have been done in such a manner so as to
present the 'spin' that is needed by one side or the other.  Yes, there is
truth here in some form and to some degree.  But, IMHO, we must be careful
that we do not jump into "the sky is falling" side without realizing that
at the very least, some of this is written as it is for shock value and to
truly scare people.  Others claim that there has been no net warming in the
last 25 years or that satellite measurements indicate, if anything,
cooling!!

Moreover, we are now asked to believe that global warming leads to colder
winters... .hummmmm.....and hotter summers and much more severe storms. 
This even when the middle atmosphere is to warm substantially, even over
the surface warming.  Keep in mind that mid-level warming in this manner
will lead to a more stable atmosphere and NOT to more severe storms and to
more rain or snow.  So, all I ask is that we keep in mind that domes day is
not about to arrive right now and that we do not take all the claims we
read as "TRUTH".  Finally, the fossil record indicates that in times past
there were no polar ice caps at all.  Rather, a tropical airmass covered
the earth in times past...even without man.  Talk about global warming!!! 
While I am a "Lemon" I am not a "Lemming" and I will not run into the sea
and drown myself at this awful, sky-is-falling, news.  <S>

Les
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:53:46 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Weather:Melbourne storms

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<DIV>Have just been talking to someone from Woodend Victoria, storm just hitting 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well the weather in Melbourne continues to 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems the southerly that pushed up this 
  morning was associated with a shallow surface trough, it hasn't effected Dunns 
  Hill yet. This trough has added a nice trigger to the atmosphere and a number 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>North of the trough temperatures are soaring 
  where there is no cloud. Interesting to note that Melbourne Airport was 37.7 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Could be an interesting afternoon.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ohhh, STA just issued for SA.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:22:19 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change...

Can I just add my 1 cent's worth?
Like David, I take seriously any threat that global warming of that
magnitude would bring.However, again, where is the conclusive evidence
that the warming will occur? If, as appears to be the case:
1.there is one camp saying the climate's not warming
2.there's another saying it is
3.there has been a drastic revision upward of the warming trend, or at
least an expansion of the range it MAY (not will) cover
then how accurate is the science that is making the predictions?
Again, as Les points out, politics have taken precedence.Was it issued
to coincide with the inauguration of President Bush?
Or is it just the latest version of the distorted scare mongering we are
so used to? The Sydney Morning Herald, predictably, was notably
deficient in its reporting of the opposite point of view in its front
page article the other day.
I have never advocated 'doing nothing' about greenhouse gas emissions
etc but people with similar views to mine are either accused of being
greenhouse skeptics or just plain complacent, simply because we don't
run around the world with a red flag and a blowtorch setting the rest of
the world on fire because it doesn't do what we say, as some of the more
extreme environmentalists seem to do.
But then, scientists have said it haven't they, and therefore they must
be right (I'm talking tongue-in-cheek here).To hell with the rest of us
who are intelligent enough to know we are possibly being tricked, but
perceived as lower on the 'evolutionary ladder' because we haven't been
to university or because in the estimate of some, healthy skepticism is
a treasonable offense punishable by death.
This is not to be taken as a personal attack on the point of view of
anyone in this forum, and maybe I'm being a bit too sensitive ,but the
thing that gets me is the corruption of truth with greedy politics, and
the put downs those with different points of view,especially those who
have the courage to stand up for themselves, have to suffer from the
media, environmentalists and some sections of the international
scientific community. 
Now that I've added some more hot carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, I'll
cease and desist.....

We have so much 

"Leslie R. Lemon" wrote:
> 
> Lindsay Pearce wrote:
> 
> > Thanks David for your thoughts, it's really appreciated. Thank God we had
> a
> > nice snow season last year, is all I can say :-)
> >
> > One of the things that prompted me to talk about the impact of climate
> > change on our winters here was a piece Don White wrote on 2/1 in The
> Daily
> > Telegraph and there he mentioned in the last paragraph on the WEATHER
> page,
> > "Hotter summers, colder winters and more severe storms, cyclones and
> freak
> > weather events might have to be something we come to terms with in the
> 21st
> > century."
> 
> I want to mention that this report was issued at a politically 'crucial'
> time and for a political goal.  While I failed to hear exactly what all the
> politics involved were, I did understand that it was issued for a specific
> political purpose both in timing and in content.  That really bothers me
> very much.  So much of the scientific nature of these arguments have ended
> up as a political football and have been done in such a manner so as to
> present the 'spin' that is needed by one side or the other.  Yes, there is
> truth here in some form and to some degree.  But, IMHO, we must be careful
> that we do not jump into "the sky is falling" side without realizing that
> at the very least, some of this is written as it is for shock value and to
> truly scare people.  Others claim that there has been no net warming in the
> last 25 years or that satellite measurements indicate, if anything,
> cooling!!
> 
> Moreover, we are now asked to believe that global warming leads to colder
> winters... .hummmmm.....and hotter summers and much more severe storms.
> This even when the middle atmosphere is to warm substantially, even over
> the surface warming.  Keep in mind that mid-level warming in this manner
> will lead to a more stable atmosphere and NOT to more severe storms and to
> more rain or snow.  So, all I ask is that we keep in mind that domes day is
> not about to arrive right now and that we do not take all the claims we
> read as "TRUTH".  Finally, the fossil record indicates that in times past
> there were no polar ice caps at all.  Rather, a tropical airmass covered
> the earth in times past...even without man.  Talk about global warming!!!
> While I am a "Lemon" I am not a "Lemming" and I will not run into the sea
> and drown myself at this awful, sky-is-falling, news.  <S>
> 
> Les
> ************************
> Leslie R. Lemon
> Basic Commerce and Industries, Inc.
> Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist
> Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237
> E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 19:49 +1000
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Subject: Re: Re: [aussie-weather] Adelaide 6.30CST

7:14pm CDST

Looks like the current showers/storms moving through Adelaide's
northern suburbs have dissipated very quickly. A couple of faint
rumbles of thunder and 1mm of rain in 15 mins. Seems to be all blue
sky now to the north.
Anyone still thinking that there's a possibility of storms still
tonight for Adelaide? I'm doubting it. :(



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>
>So far no thunder or rain at my location 30 ks south of Adelaide yet,
it
>actually looks as though most of it is sticking to the Eastern side
of the
>ranges. The latest radar image shows some heavy falls occuring in the
>northern suburbs but moving south very quickly. 
>So far only a few reports of trees down and lots of small grass fires
>started by lightning.
>
>Cheers
>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] B.O.M

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<DIV><FONT size=2>The long history of BOM vs chaser relations is a long one. I 
say chaser as I think there lays the real problem in my mind. Quite rightfully 
the BOM does not&nbsp; want to be seen encouraging&nbsp;chaser activity. That 
may open a minefield of public litigation should a chaser be injured or killed. 
On the other hand the BOM is missing a vital early warning resource, in fact at 
times the attitude borders on contempt. I think they need to study the USA setup 
of chaser&nbsp;and NWS relationship which is healthy and 2 way. Afterall if the 
home of&nbsp;lawsuits and legal litigation can work it out, surely Australia 
can.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>As far as the Government aspect goes you will find them BOM 
expected to do more with less $$$ every year. Believe it or not the Public 
Service of the 1970's is gone forever, there are exceptions but most senior 
government employees work long hours, sometimes for no overtime, simply flex 
hours which are never redeemed and lost.&nbsp; Having said that a relationship 
with experienced chasers can only be seen as ' free ' employees if used 
correctly.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Has anyone approached BOM in an "OFFICIAL" way 
  about the "problems" that exist? I'm not talking about getting on the phone 
  and giving them a serve, or giving them a serve over the Email either. I'm 
  talking about&nbsp;setting up a meeting with a view to providing a solution, 
  or maybe tabling a document&nbsp;p</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>resenting the 
  problems, offering&nbsp;solutions and then illustrating the benefits of the 
  solution/s. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>-</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>It seems obvious to me 
  that the BOM is of the opinion that "if it aint broke, don't fix it". It seems 
  that i</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>n their eyes they do the job well, so what do 
  they need this group for? </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- In their eyes, it seems, they see it as more 
  (unnecessary) work. Government Depts DESPISE spending money, unless they can 
  see a monetary benefit in it, why should they spend money on building an 
  infrastructure for communication (etc) where one (in their opinion) is not 
  required?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Why should they have to maybe put on another person 
  or three (remembering storms occur over the whole 24 hours in a day) to answer 
  phone calls from spotters/chasers, etc, when they can do the job by sussing 
  out the radar/Doppler screens? What do they do with the person/s in the 
  "off-season"?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- How many times do they get it SO wrong that by 
  having had us out in the field would&nbsp;have saved lives/property? 
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- Do they have the budget&nbsp;to spend money on such 
  an infrastructure? and Do the benefits of setting up such an infrastructure 
  outweigh the costs? Remember, by not meeting budgets the Powers-that-be 
  possibly get an arse-kicking (a cut in their bonuses, maybe?) not too many of 
  us would sacrifice our bonuses.... or like our butts kicked!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>- This group needs to&nbsp;PROVE to BOM 
  that&nbsp;THEY would benefit from an ALLIANCE with us. Is there a benefit to 
  BOM in setting up contacts/contact numbers/24 hour access, etc?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I am not trying to be offensive (nor am I going into 
  bat for&nbsp;BOM) I am just&nbsp;asking the question. I hope I haven't 
  offended anyone, but it was getting to the stage that all the BOM bashing was 
  getting a bit ho-hum, whether it was warranted or not. Providing a solution is 
  better than dwelling on the problem.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>I may, as a new kid on the block, with&nbsp;no 
  experience in this matter, cop a bit of a serve for asking the above, but 
  these were just a few things that were going through my mind. I welcome 
  answers to the above by any who care to provide them. I can almost guarantee I 
  will get differing opinions/answers.... maybe that is&nbsp;part of the prob... 
  no consolidated approach to the BOM.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Food for thought....</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>Thrax</FONT></DIV>
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Basically, YES. For several hours this afternoon Weatherzone was 
receiving more traffic than the server could physically handle. We 
expect similar afternoon performance as the heatwave extends towards 
the weekend. We are in the process of moving Weatherzone to a new 
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> 
> Been struggling to get images from the BoM for the past hour now, 
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>Just think what happened last Wednesday: a massive and very obvious
>supercell on radar heading north towards Casino, and not a warning in sight 
>!
>

I do agree totally with you Michael - but after working in a Fed Govt 
research lab for four years I know too well the political bullshit that 
stands in the way of pragmatism and progress. Other than sheer laziness on 
the BoMs part (which I sincerely hope is not the case) I cannot think of any 
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eg SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at xxxx on day yyy of January 2001

This advice replaces the advice issued at 1500 hrs. It affects people in the 
following weather districts:

Northern Rivers

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of 
these are expected to be severe bringing damaging winds, heavy rain and 
large hailstones.

A particularly large and dangerous storm is located 30km southwest of Casino 
and is tracking northeast at 40 km/h. Towns in the path of this storm 
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I am sure that more specific messages in such an advice would be promptly 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Southern Tablelands Storms 

10pm 24/01.

Reports of power lines down in Cowra, as reported by Cowra Police.
Canowindra areas also high winds causing trees down on roads.  Lewis Ponds,
Emu Swamp, Lucknow areas near  Orange also report very strong winds,
several large tree down.

Currently have power outages in the above these areas.

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We're not all ASWA people but there are certainly a lot of ASWA 
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Humidty in Adelaide seems very extreme this morning.  Cloud cover has been 
extensive with some odd light showers adding to the humidity.  Cloud is now 
breaking up which is great for possible severe thunderstorms this arvo.  Sea 
breeze seems to be playing havoc as well hopefully this will not wreck 
chances for t'storms.  Covection did occur at one stage in the middle 
layers, some lower level cloud has also showed signs of convection 
especially to the east and north of Adelaide.  BOM's forecast is modest with 
only a thundery shoer or two expected hopefully this will be wrong, I will 
be interested in the 11:30am forecast soon.  Obviously further east and 
north thunderstorms are far more likely but I hope they develop here too.  
Weather Co. does mention storms becoming more widespread this arvo and with 
humidity so high this does not suprise me.  Hope to see an STA out for SA 
later on.


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>Hey all
>
>There is a massive temperature range across Melbourne suburbs atm. At the
>airport, north of the city, it is 36.1 at 9.40am, the inversion broke there
>about 8am, in the city it's about 30 with light winds, slightly southerly,
>and in the southern suburbs it's in the low 20's with a moderate southerly.
>Going to be a war between the northerly and seabreeze today, with some
>northern suburbs looking at 40+ while others struggle in the 20's. At my
>place I am near the border, the temp and wind has increased and decreased
>over the last hour. Atm though the southerly seem to have taken control at
>my place):
>
>Cloud cover is patchy.
>
>Nick Sykes
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:38:29 GMT
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Subject: [aussie-weather] OBS: Downpour in Marree SA

Those storms on the radar across western NSW/eastern SA seemed to be
missing all the raingauges, but one finally scored -- at Marree
Airport, a few hundred km north of Port Augusta a short while ago.
56.8mm fell in 40 minutes to 22.14 CDST, with 17.6 in 10 minutes to
22.01, and a highest reported intensity of 115.2mm/h with 9.6mm in 5
minutes to 22.01. Wind gusted to 93km/h. 

Given that Marree PO's average rainfall for the whole of summer is
only 55mm (median is 17.1), this is quite an extraordinary fall. It's
quite close to the line connecting highest recorded falls for various
periods in SA, too. Coonalpyn recorded 22mm in 8mins in 1963, and
Woomera 30mm in 12mins in 1977. Mt Remarkable (SE of Port Augusta I
think) recorded 80mm in 46mins in 1978. 

The AWS obs are:

                date   time   winddir/spd  temp/dp      QNH
RF10min/since 9am

17 SPECI 0124 2100 07021KT     35.9/18.1     Q1003.1 RF00.0/000.0
17 METAR 0124 2153 08019KT     31.3/21.8     Q1005.2 RF00.0/000.0
17 SPECI 0124 2209 13012KT     27.5/22.9     Q1007.2 RF02.6/002.6
17 SPECI 0124 2213 18017KT     25.3/23.9     Q1006.8 RF06.2/006.2
17 SPECI 0124 2214 24032KT     25.2/24.2     Q1007.4 RF07.4/007.4
17 SPECI 0124 2226 28017KT     24.2/23.7     Q1008.6 RF15.8/025.4
17 SPECI 0124 2231 31020KT     24.0/23.5     Q1008.4 RF17.6/035.0
17 SPECI 0124 2244 01021KT     24.4/23.7     Q1007.1 RF15.6/056.8
17 SPECI 0124 2245 06015KT     24.6/24.0     Q1006.9 RF13.4/057.2
17 SPECI 0124 2251 06015KT     25.8/25.0     Q1006.4 RF05.2/059.8
17 SPECI 0124 2254 03020KT     25.0/24.0     Q1006.4 RF03.6/060.4



Earlier, Thargomindah (SW Qld) managed 8.6mm in 4 minutes to 17.17
EST, while in western Victoria, Walpeup reported a gust of 107.5km/h
at 18.07 edst.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] southwest slopes and riverina

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<DIV>i am a newcomer to this group and take great interest in severe thunderstorms - as you all do (heck who doesn't!) but i am really only a novice in terms of understanding and forecasting the weather - most of my severe weather interest usually revolves around tornadoes and supercells - i have, in my findings found much and information (books, articles, magazines etc)on the australian tornado and i have been following the australian severe weather site since '96 </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>anyway, enough rambling. I would like to know what the severe weather situation is for the southwest slopes and riverina&nbsp; regions of NSW - especially in terms of tornadoes - more specifically, i would like to know what the frequency of tornadoes is for the area - and are such statistics demographically affected or simply a case of different weather conditions to that of say Tamworth.&nbsp;&nbsp; i know that this region can get tornadoes - i have read of tornado touchdowns in the wagga wagga area every year since '97 and i have seen a filmed wall cloud pass over the same city, i have also seen some massive and stunning supercells pass around my home town of Junee.&nbsp;&nbsp;why i say all this is because despite all this, i have not seen a tornado yet no matter how hard i have tried and lately the whole region has been very poor in delivering any types of thunderstorms, let alone supercells.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>do any of you who stormchase, ever travel down these parts or do you all see it as a "don't bother zone"? -&nbsp;please reply,  i would like to know</DIV>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] severe thunderstorm warnings

In the US warnings are the most important responsibility of the NWS.  That
is, the protection of life and property through accurate and timely
warnings ranks above all other responsibilities of the agency.  However,
this may differ from the BoM.  Their responsibilities many differ owing to
available resources, population density, or cultural differences.  I am
sure that the BoM is far more limited in what they can do within their
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probably lives with relative riches even though they don't see it that way
at all.

Les

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Morning all,

Victoria has a road weather alert for reduced visibility in mist & fog
this morning (before convection gets started for the day <g>)).  I don't
remember ever seeeing a road weather alert for Victoria before (ACT &
NSW yes, but not Victoria).  Has 'road weather' a new alert for the
state or have I forgotten?

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Hey Jane,

Remember the snow storm of June last year? How could we forget! Anyway,
there were road weather alerts then.
Cheers, Lyle

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> Morning all,
>
> Victoria has a road weather alert for reduced visibility in mist & fog
> this morning (before convection gets started for the day <g>)).  I don't
> remember ever seeeing a road weather alert for Victoria before (ACT &
> NSW yes, but not Victoria).  Has 'road weather' a new alert for the
> state or have I forgotten?
>
> Jane
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Adelaide today

Today should be interesting again.  At 6:30am, where I am there is 
absolutely no cloud.  Humidity is considerably high, dew point just 
above 19 degrees.  BOM mentioned in their notes "exteremely high 
surface moisture levels", they are definately around.  Most of the 
thunderstorm action will probably be to the east and north again 
today.  It would be good if the skies could stay clear here this 
morning but cloud moving in from the west may wreck this.  At least 
if nothing much develops today there should be at least a shower with 
the change this evening or tonight!  Yesterday was fairly 
dissapointing in the end although there were some good cloud 
displays.  The action sempt to be more in the middle layers of the 
atmosphere here in Adelaide?  Not so much low level stuff?  Is this 
right?  The thunderstorm at 6:30pm last night was pretty pathetic but 
at least there was a rumble or two of thunder.  61mm at Marre and 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Weather:Storms could go off in Vic!!!!!!!!

Good Morning people

And what a good morning it is. Waking up to 21 DP's, mist and fog in the
air, a bit of altocumulus through the breaks and sunny patches and a
northerly.

Today over Victoria looks absolutely primmed for thunderstorm activity.
After last nights storms major clearance has occurred from the west which
will allow very nice heating today. This coupled with DP's above 20 over the
whole state (22 in parts, crazy for Victoria) and a beautiful trough sitting
on the state; storms look highly likely.

The BOM forecast for Victoria is...

Victoria
Thursday:  Morning fog areas in the south. Scattered showers and
thunderstorms
will become more extensive across the state during the day and will tend to
rain
areas particularly in the east and near the ranges with locally heavy falls.
Sultry conditions with moderate north to northwest wind but milder
seabreezes
will affect the coast.

and Melbourne

Forecast for Melbourne
Thursday
Sultry. Morning mist and fog areas. Showers becoming more widespread in the
afternoon with thunderstorms likely. Generally light wind tending northerly
and
afternoon seabreezes.
 Max 33

The Aviation forecast is very enjoyable :)

AMD OVERVIEW:
        NORTHERLY SURFACE FLOW INLAND TENDING NE'LY TO SE'LY OVER COAST/SEA.
        SCATTERED SHOWERS/RAIN AND ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS BECOMING MORE
        WIDESPREAD AFTER 02Z.

AMD CLOUD:
        ISOL EMBD CB 4000/40000 IN AREAS BKN ACAS ABOVE 10000.

...............

Tops to 40,000 feet!!!!   and the bases have lowered since yesterday with
the high DP's.

The CFA fire estimates also read well....

A LAL (likelihood of lightning) of 2 is forecast for the central district
(very nice, not often forecasted) and a figure of 3 for the NorthCentral
district (the highest value on the scale). Very rare to see 3.  (2)= a few,
(3)= numerous strikes over a district.

The rest of SE Australia also looks great for storms, BRING IT ON!!!!!!

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Not new but not common either. Previous one issued was December 99

IDW14V00

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

Priority Road Weather Alert
Issued at 0509 on Friday the 3rd of December 1999
for Friday morning. 

Motorists are advised that rain this morning after more than a week 
of dry
weather may result in increased driving hazards. 

--- In aussie-weather at egroups.com, Jane ONeill <cadence at s...> wrote:
> Morning all,
> 
> Victoria has a road weather alert for reduced visibility in mist & 
fog
> this morning (before convection gets started for the day <g>)).  I 
don't
> remember ever seeeing a road weather alert for Victoria before (ACT 
&
> NSW yes, but not Victoria).  Has 'road weather' a new alert for the
> state or have I forgotten?
> 
> Jane
> --------------------------------
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Thanks for the update, but can you please take me off the e-mail list.

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		We're not all ASWA people but there are certainly a lot of
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HI all.. 

Just saw add on tv for a show called Anatomy of Disaster - Hurricane
Force. It will be shown this Saturday on Ch 9 at 7.30pm. EDT 

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Subject: [aussie-weather] climate change.

>Keith Barnett
>Can I just add my 1 cent's worth?

Absolutely!

>Like David, I take seriously any threat that global warming of that
>magnitude would bring. However, again, where is the conclusive evidence
>that the warming will occur? If, as appears to be the case:
>1.there is one camp saying the climate's not warming

There certainly is and this camp is almost entirely funded by large
industry. 
There arguments are not grounded in fact, and they deliberately
miss-represent facts to
perpetuate this myth. A couple of classics come to mind...
1) Here in Australia the Cape Otway temperature series (stations details are
here) http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/map/stations/90015.shtml
is one of the "best" and longest series of its type dating back to the 1860s
- a "perfect" spot to detect uninterrupted the greenhouse signal over the
southern ocean. Indeed if you look at the record since ~1910 it shows a slow
but steady warming trend (as does most of Australia and the globe) amounting
to about 1C. Conveniently for the sceptic, around 1900 there is a cooling of
about 2C which is 100% due to a change in instrumentation from a Glaisher
thermometer enclosure to a Stevenson Screen, so if you use the entire series
you have "proof" that the so-posed greenhouse warming hasn't really occurred
- and that it is just a recover of temperatures back to what they were last
(err. 19th) century!
Anyway, the temperature discontinuity is well known, and anybody who has an
unbiased interest in using this station series ensures that this change is
removed or corrected for (and the true change is a warming of about 1C,
rather than a cooling of about 1C) - but alas the "sceptic" have frequently
used this entire non-corrected series in letters and submissions to prove
the non-existence of greenhouse warming.
2) The satellite series are often used to proved the non-existence of
warming and indeed to claim cooling. Earlier sets of these data did show
cooling, simply because they were wrong - the scientists responsible for
these data had not corrected the series for the decay of the satellite
orbits due to friction on the atmosphere. Fix this problem, and these also
show warming, despite the fact that they are heavily contaminated by
stratospheric effects.

>3.there has been a drastic revision upward of the warming trend, or at
>least an expansion of the range it MAY (not will) cover
>then how accurate is the science that is making the predictions?

Most of the revision in the coming 3rd assessment (IPCC report) reflects
greater uncertainty in how much carbon dioxide we as humans are going to
pump in the next 100 years. This is not uncertainty in the climate science,
but uncertainty in the socio-economic science. By 2100 the range of CO2
concentrations goes from 500 to 1000 parts per million (against a pre
industrial value of 280), meaning by 2100 that we will have done anything
from double to nearly quadruple concentrations. We as humans decide entirely
what value we want in 100 years. Interestingly, to limit ourselves to an
approximate doubling we have to have our emissions in 2020 down to the
levels seen in 1990, and thereafter reduce to fraction of 1990 levels.
Current rates of emission growths suggest that we will have almost double
1990 emissions by 2020 (across the globe), and for this reason groups such
as CSIRO are talking much more about triple CO2 change scenario's because it
is going to be almost impossible for us to stop at a doubling...

Personally, I don't view this as an issue of the sky falling in - humans
have a long history of rising to challenges, but rather as a wake up call
that their is a potentially very serious problem which we must act on. I
would expect climate change only to be a major problem if we act as if there
is no problem.

>Again, as Les points out, politics have taken precedence. Was it issued
>to coincide with the inauguration of President Bush?

There has certainly be some politics going-on. There is no doubt that some
releases have been opportunistic, others coincident - the time-frame for the
IPCC revision process was decide many years ago, so to feign a concerted
time conspiracy is a bit rich. That said, there is some suspicion that green
groups or delegates sympathetic to green groups may have prompted releases
by leaking contents. 

>I have never advocated 'doing nothing' about greenhouse gas emissions
>etc but people with similar views to mine are either accused of being
>greenhouse sceptics or just plain complacent, simply because we don't
>run around the world with a red flag and a blowtorch setting the rest of
>the world on fire because it doesn't do what we say, as some of the more
>extreme environmentalists seem to do.
>But then, scientists have said it haven't they, and therefore they must
>be right (I'm talking tongue-in-cheek here). To hell with the rest of us
>who are intelligent enough to know we are possibly being tricked, but
>perceived as lower on the 'evolutionary ladder' because we haven't been
>to university or because in the estimate of some, healthy scepticism is
>a treasonable offence punishable by death.

A good dose of cynicism goes a long way. I know people who have spends 10+
years at university, and are in the purest sense very very very intelligent
but would struggle to tie their shoe laces! 
Whether you have a degree or not should be irrelevant to this kind of
debate.

I have always had a green leaning - I guess tied into my bush walking etc -
but used to be very cynical about the whole climate change thing myself. The
trouble is the evidence for some very real and potentially very serious
changes already happening is just so obvious. Studying glaciology and seeing
the enormous wastage of glaciers over the past 100 years, which is only
explainable by a warming of 1C, the almost 40% decline in low elevation snow
cover in Australia since the 1950s, and the recent mass killing of coral
globally in 1997/98 etc etc. really suggests something very real is going
on.

Cheers,

David

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>So, all I ask is that we keep in mind that domes day is
> not about to arrive right now and that we do not take all the claims we
> read as "TRUTH".  Finally, the fossil record indicates that in times past
> there were no polar ice caps at all.  Rather, a tropical airmass covered
> the earth in times past...even without man.

Les. this might be true... but your last line is the important one. Climate
has been very different in the past, but these changes have usually occurred
slowly and there were no people.
By 2020 there will be about 7,000,000,000 of us, and most of "nature" will
be confined to small fenced-in parks unable to migrate to more suitable
climate.

Sure the climate has been very different in pre-historical times, but to us
it would totally unrecognisable, and so too would the planet. We simply do
not know the details of how the new climate might look.. it might be over
all better, but equally it might be overall worse - in all likelihood there
will be winners and losers. Without a doubt a big looser will be the natural
environment - and what right do we as humans have to leave future
generations a world with an unknown climate, and an impoverished eco-system?

Cheers,

David.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Melbourne Thunderstorm drought..

Looks like today is really shaping up for widespread storm activity in the
SE of Aus. Already SLI are well into negative territory, with exceptionally
humid low levels (dp 20-25C) - we even had fog around Melbourne this morning
with a temperature of 22C. The surface heating through the broken mid level
cloud and an approaching trough should provide the necessary triggers. Model
guidance suggests very widespread storm activity by 4pm this arvo, with some
potential for down burst and flash flooding. There is little shear at
present, so whatever storms we get are unlikely to be super-cellular.

Cheers,

David.
                                                              
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:56:54 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change..

There are compelling arguements that past climatic change was not as
gradual as we once believed - and that major events that instantaneously
created widespread extinctions may have been instantaneouis - means
occurring within 1 season rather than over 1000s of years. 
For opposing viewpoints and food for though for anyone interested in
this topic  a book worth reading is:
 Felix, Robert  (1997) Not by Fire but by Ice. (Discover what killed the
Dinosaurs... and why it could soon kill us!)
Its ISBN is 0-9648746-9-5 and published by Sugarhouse Publishing,
Washington (state), USA.
Aalternatively, one of the best written books on the topic is Gale
Christianson's 1999 book : Greenhouse: The 200-year Story of Global
Warming. She combines nicely an historian background with a scientific
bent - Published by Walker and Co NY ISBN0-8027-1346-7.

and David Jones - I would love to hear your opinions on Robert Felix's
book if you have read it or if you get a chance. His arguemnts are
thorough and compelling but obviously selective but definitely
stimulating to the thinker.

Footnote - There are a range of other excellent "reads" for those
seeking expressions of interest without too much scientific analysis...
such as
HH Lamb (1995 edition) Climate, History & The Modern World, published by
Routledge, London.
Erik Durschmied (2000) The Weather Factor - How Nature has Changed
History - published by Hodder & Stoughton
Thomas Levenson (1989) IceTime - Climate, Science and Life on Earth -
published by Harper Row (New York)
and for the Lindsay'Pearce's of the world  a local production: "Snow - A
natural History - an uncertain Future. - Published in January1998 by the
Australian Alps Liason committe, Canberra. (I have address).

Happy Reading and good debating.
Cheers,
Don White 

7 si

David Jones wrote:
> 
> >So, all I ask is that we keep in mind that domes day is
> > not about to arrive right now and that we do not take all the claims we
> > read as "TRUTH".  Finally, the fossil record indicates that in times past
> > there were no polar ice caps at all.  Rather, a tropical airmass covered
> > the earth in times past...even without man.
> 
> Les. this might be true... but your last line is the important one. Climate
> has been very different in the past, but these changes have usually occurred
> slowly and there were no people.
> By 2020 there will be about 7,000,000,000 of us, and most of "nature" will
> be confined to small fenced-in parks unable to migrate to more suitable
> climate.
> 
> Sure the climate has been very different in pre-historical times, but to us
> it would totally unrecognisable, and so too would the planet. We simply do
> not know the details of how the new climate might look.. it might be over
> all better, but equally it might be overall worse - in all likelihood there
> will be winners and losers. Without a doubt a big looser will be the natural
> environment - and what right do we as humans have to leave future
> generations a world with an unknown climate, and an impoverished eco-system?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David.
> 
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Hi Dr David,

I actually thought shear was reasonable - not as good as yesterday's
40kn  at  850 & 925mb (high shear tornadoes would have been quite likely
IMO yesterday).  You could tell there was great shear around yesterday
just by looking at the speed the storms were moving.  Depending on what
happens of course...but last nights Melbourne sounding showed 20kn from
NNW  at  850mb, 30-40kn throughout the mid levels from the NW, changing to
50-60kn from the WNW.  Now, the directional shear may not be present too
much - but if winds at the surface swing to the NE, given 700mb is from
WNW - it's not too bad.  You don't always need the 180 degree perfect
setup, especially when the instability is there.  And with higher than
normal surface moisture (although I think if you mixed the PBL, you
would get DP's in the high teens), then I think that supercells would
not so much be "unlikely."

Just my thoughts though...I would have thought supercells would be a
reasonable chance.

On another topic, you can see the NSW-QLD corridor that will go off
today on sat pics.  Look forward to watching them as they develop too!

AC

David Jones wrote:
> 
> Looks like today is really shaping up for widespread storm activity in the
> SE of Aus. Already SLI are well into negative territory, with exceptionally
> humid low levels (dp 20-25C) - we even had fog around Melbourne this morning
> with a temperature of 22C. The surface heating through the broken mid level
> cloud and an approaching trough should provide the necessary triggers. Model
> guidance suggests very widespread storm activity by 4pm this arvo, with some
> potential for down burst and flash flooding. There is little shear at
> present, so whatever storms we get are unlikely to be super-cellular.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David.
> 
> Dr David Jones
> 
> Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
> Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9898 4425
> email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
> 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Going off west of Adelaide

Thunderstorms have developed west of Adelaide, mainly over Eyre Pen. 
and down near Kangaroo Island where it looks like some good falls are 
happening.  Squalls are possible in the Gulf waters according to BOM 
with thunderstorms, suggesting these storms could be rather lively if 
they were to hit Adelaide.  It is still very humid here which could 
increase these storms impact, (if they reach here).  I'll be 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Storms info Dubbo 6th Jan 

HI all..

I have some info re the storms at Dubbo 6th Jan.. If anyone would like this
please email me and I will send it
through.. File size is too big to send as attachment..

I may also upload stories and picture later on tonight..


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here we go!!! Towers are starting to shoot up to 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today in Melbourne it&nbsp;has that "it's going to 
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Anyone else noticed the winds are SE throughout most of Sydney? Has some
thing gone unanalysed by the BoM? It isnt mentioned on their forecast.
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/wwrp/wwrp_anal.shtml

you can see it clearly there.
Any comments ?

Matt Smith

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:34:32 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: [aussie-weather] scanner frequencies?

hi all,

i was just wondering if you guys in australia have a skywarn amateur
radio net frequencies that i can listen to? i am on webtv & i can get
most scanner frequencies on windows media player or other. but, you guys
are getting severe weather down there & i'd would love to hear chase
reports.

what we have here in terre haute, indiana (u.s.a.) is called the illiana
skywarn net, which broadcast on frequency 146.850 here. the skywarn net
is only used during severe t-storms conditions.

so, just wondering if you guys have something like that?

thanks gang,
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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:38:08 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: [aussie-weather] WTWO TV-2 WEATHER EMAIL

Colder air is moving into Valley with sunshine Thursday. The high will
only climb into the upper 20's. The next storm system will move in
Friday and will bring some snow and snow/rain mix with it. 

FACTOID: The first named tropical system in the Atlantic this year will
be named "Allison". 

TONIGHT: 
Mostly cloudy with a few flurries and colder. Temp: 14ºF
 
THURSDAY: 
Mostly sunny with winds to the SW and colder. Temp: 28ºF
 
THURSDAY NIGHT: 
Increasing clouds with a SW wind and cold. Temp: 18ºF 

FRIDAY: 
Snow developing and may mix with some rain. Temp: 35ºF 

http://www.wtwo.com

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Hi folks
Well today is set again to be an interesting day, of more possible storm 
action, although here in Colac and the south west we only got a small storm, 
with a very very close CG strike, hehehe the whole living room when white 
and well the there was the BAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNG, and the pussy cats 
scattered for the avo :o)
Cricket trainign this avo, hopefully it want be a repeat of a couple of 
weeks back :o)
good hunting
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:09:28 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] storms.

>Just my thoughts though...I would have thought supercells would be a
>reasonable chance.
>
>On another topic, you can see the NSW-QLD corridor that will go off
>today on sat pics.  Look forward to watching them as they develop too!
>
>AC

My interpretation is substantially based on model diagnostics which have 
estimates of storm relative helicity to determine if super cells are likely.
I guess 
there is no fast rule as to what is enough... but the diagnostics I looked
at suggested 
that there was probably not enough shear. I guess through Murphy's law we
can now expect a few to pop up.

Cheers,

David

                                                              
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Subject: [aussie-weather] VERY Frustrating Times for Wx Lovers Ahead it Seems...

Looks like all sites can't cope with the traffic again *sigh* - BoM site
has been totally inaccessible for me over the past 40mins.  Weatherzone
also very very slow - periodically inaccessible, so is the new site.

I tried phoning the BoM in Melbourne to find out what is happening (in
regards to the BoM site) - but (surprise surprise), no one was there in
the section I needed to talk to.  Hopefully that is because they are out
there increasing the web server capacity/fixing whatever problem they
have.  I have left a message, and asked them to call me back - will
report back if I find out any sort of news.

In the meanwhile...we will all sit here and grit our teeth as we watch a
4000km line of storms explode this afternoon, and not be able to see
anything (even obs!)

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] VERY Frustrating Times for Wx Lovers Ahead it  Seems...

Pretty ordinary for those of us who pay to access radar that since it
has become freely available, we can't get at it anymore!

Andrew.

Anthony Cornelius wrote:
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> Looks like all sites can't cope with the traffic again *sigh* - BoM site
> has been totally inaccessible for me over the past 40mins.  Weatherzone
> also very very slow - periodically inaccessible, so is the new site.
> 
> I tried phoning the BoM in Melbourne to find out what is happening (in
> regards to the BoM site) - but (surprise surprise), no one was there in
> the section I needed to talk to.  Hopefully that is because they are out
> there increasing the web server capacity/fixing whatever problem they
> have.  I have left a message, and asked them to call me back - will
> report back if I find out any sort of news.
> 
> In the meanwhile...we will all sit here and grit our teeth as we watch a
> 4000km line of storms explode this afternoon, and not be able to see
> anything (even obs!)
> 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Right Mover for Syd.

Hi list,
      Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern 
highlands and has only recently taken a nice sharp turn to the right.Hook 
echo evident.
     Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
A monster!!!!
Regards
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] left  Mover for Syd.

Looks like i dont know my left from right!


>From: "James P" <severewxoz at hotmail.com>
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>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:30:49 +1100
>
>Hi list,
>       Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern
>highlands and has only recently taken a nice sharp turn to the right.Hook
>echo evident.
>      Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
>A monster!!!!
>Regards
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:52:09 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] New Lightning Photos

Hi Everyone,

The latest lightning photos are courtesy of Marty Pouwelse and Adam Cole -
and once again there are some awesome shots

A sunset Cb, and a few  <1km lightning strikes from Jan 17 this year
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/marty/170101_01.shtml
1 through to 6

And also some lightning shots from the October 26 (2000) electrical storms
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/marty/261000_01.shtml
1 through to 9

Adam Cole took some great lightning shots in late October last year
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/adam/281000_01.shtml
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And also a series of photos showing a severe storm approaching Warwick on
October 25, 2000
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(it's a great series)





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Subject: [aussie-weather] Anvilus Maximus

Huge round anvil to the west of and over Wollongong, like a A-bomb cloud.
Jet streams are obviously light, this storm must have push at the updraft
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Intense storms near Adelaide

Amazing area of stroms just to the north east of Adelaide.  
Conditions are becoming very storm like here.  Cloud thickening, 
winds are variable.  BOM only has STA for north east of Adelaide 
Metro but the activity is to close to call I think.  Large cumulo. 
just east of here.  Adelaide may be lucky enough to see rain from the 
eastern edge of this area of intense storms.  Cells are moving in a 
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Indeed !
Katoomba is going to get a pasting in about 10 to 30 minutes.
Radar shows TWO cells aligned NNW / SSE.  NW cell currently 50K NNWW
of Appin and advancing north with lots of red area >100mm/hr and a
fair amount of pink.  The SE cell currently west of Camden / Appin.
Loop from 4:10 to 5:10 pm indicates moving about due north at about 50
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> 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Record cold in Perth


A new city record was established in Perth this morning, the city got down
to 8.9C, it beat the old January record of 9.2C with was recorded on the
20th January, 1925. But the city site has changed over the years, so they
are not directly comparable.

Perth Airport got down to 6C (rounded), so its possible it may have beaten
their January record of 6.0C
Jandakot, a southern Perth suburb, got down to 5C.

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Hey Group,

ONYA JAMES P. :)

Bring it on I say.

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> Hi list,
>       Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern
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> echo evident.
>      Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
> A monster!!!!
> Regards
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Massive stroms hit Adelaide!!!

Wow!!!  Huge storm just cleared Adelaide and now there's another one 
going over right now.  Gutters flooed as well as roads, constant 
thunder and some lightning here and there, windy at times.  At least 
30mm in my gauge after this second storm.  Watched the whole thing 
develop from outside at 4:30pm it was great watching some massive 
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Anvilus Maximus

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Check out the US Navy website.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Anvilus Maximus comes up as a large circular 
white blob on the 0630 IR photo- it seems to stretch from about Nowra to the 
Central Coast.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am in the inner west of Sydney and it is already 
almost (but not quite) on the northern horizon&nbsp;at 0740UTC (6.40pm summer 
time)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Grant Searle</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:ventus45 at ihug.com.au" title=ventus45 at ihug.com.au>Peter 
  Creswick</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 25, 2001 5:31 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aussie-weather] Anvilus 
  Maximus</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Indeed !<BR>Katoomba is going to get a pasting in about 10 
  to 30 minutes.<BR>Radar shows TWO cells aligned NNW / SSE.&nbsp; NW cell 
  currently 50K NNWW<BR>of Appin and advancing north with lots of red area 
  &gt;100mm/hr and a<BR>fair amount of pink.&nbsp; The SE cell currently west of 
  Camden / Appin.<BR>Loop from 4:10 to 5:10 pm indicates moving about due north 
  at about 50<BR>KPH.<BR><BR>Michael Thompson wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Huge round 
  anvil to the west of and over Wollongong, like a A-bomb cloud.<BR>&gt; Jet 
  streams are obviously light, this storm must have push at the updraft<BR>&gt; 
  area as this anvil has spread over a huge area of sky.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
  Michael Thompson<BR>&gt; <A 
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:36:22 +0930
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] 'Hammer of God' Adelaide stormchase!

Yeeee Haaaaaa!

One of my best days out ever.  For nearly the first time I just about got
everything right.

The start of the chase was a repeat of yesterday, I left work at 1.45pm
when the first hints of red appeared over the north eastern Mt Lofties
[pretty much our 'storm engine' such as it is].  Once again I headed out
past Mt Pleasant.  At first the view didn't seem as inspiring as yesterday,
but as I passed the eastern scarp of the lofties convection to the north
east simply exploded and within 10 minutes I was hfacing absolute cloud
mountains an a real black beast over the Truro area.  Pretty soon I noticed
that the winds were blowing from the south quite strongly - presumably
inflow towards this monster!

I was determined to core punch, so headed north from Sanderston to Cambrai
on the Murray Plains and 5 minutes later ran into, just as it was forming,
one of the most turbulent, colourful gusters I've ever seen.  The rose
light was just superb.  I saw a dusty spin-up in a paddock.

Snap, snap, snap!........

Then the rain arrived.  Pretty soon the whole landscape was streaming and I
was having trouble staying on the road there was so much water around.
Incredible.  Things eased off as I drove into Keyneton and I thought that
was it.  Got ready to drive home via Eden Valley.  Boy was I wrong.

As i drove south I noticed scud moving very rapidly from west to east only
a few hundred feet above my head.  What the?  Then I saw it as i came over
hill.  The opposite [western] flank of the monster [or the next in line -
convection was popping off everywhere] I'd punched was heading my way with
one of the nastiest looking gusters I've ever seen.  Took a few shots but I
was in hilly country so I'm not sure how they'll turn out.  Then it hit.
The next 30 minutes were kinda scary.  For a start 40-50knot gusts and I
was on a road lined with giant River Red Gums.  Almost instantly there was
large debris everywhere.  A biggish tree fell only a few hundred metres in
front of me.  As I crawled into Springton the rain began, and what rain!
Pretty soon everything in sight was streaming again.  I took some shots of
the drainage system not coping at all.  It got much cooler and small hail
started to fall.  Must have had 20-30mm in that half hour.  Finally it
eased a little and the water on the road drained a little so I headed very
slowly back to town.

But even then the guster followed me!  At Gumeracha I shot a superb
twisting updraft than then proceeded to dump on some unfortunate/fortunate
[its been VERY dry] souls.  Some very close CG's here.  Finally got back to
Adelaide to see that there was another little storm in progress right over
the town that stopped play in the cricket.

I was pleased to see the BoM's initial severe weather warning for the Mt
Lofties North east of Mt Pleasant.  That's the kind of localised forecast
we need.

Two great chases in two great days.  I hope others were chasing 'cause I
just scratched the surface.   Can't wait for the photos!

Out

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Severe Thunderstorm Warning 

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The latest Severe Thunderstorm Warning for the Blue 
Mountains / Central Tablelands. It looks like Lithgow is copping it from the 
latest radar</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;<SPAN id=__#Ath#SignaturePos__></SPAN>&nbsp;IDW10N00<BR>TOP PRIORITY 
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST<BR>SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING<BR>BUREAU OF 
METEOROLOGY<BR>NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE&nbsp; Issued at 1903 on Thursday 
the 25th of<BR>January 2001<BR>This warning affects people in the following 
Local Government Areas:<BR>Blue Mountains</DIV>
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<DIV>This warning is current from 7:00pm until 8:00pm</DIV>
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<DIV>Storms are currently extend from Lithgow to Katoomba and are moving 
very<BR>slowly northwards and will be north of the Blue Mountains Local 
Government<BR>area within the next hour. Very heavy rain has been reported from 
these<BR>storms. </DIV>
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<DIV>Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are 
possible.</DIV>
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<DIV>The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people 
should:<BR>&nbsp; * put vehicles under cover <BR>&nbsp; * move indoors away from 
windows</DIV>
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<DIV>During and after the storm people should:<BR>&nbsp; * beware of fallen 
trees and power lines <BR>&nbsp; * keep away from creeks and drains as you may 
be swept away <BR>&nbsp;<BR>The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights 
&amp; wipers on &amp; slow down in<BR>the wet.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>If your house is 
damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132 500 for<BR>emergency 
assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm. </DIV>
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<DIV>TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Warning current for the Blue Mountains 
Local<BR>Government area.</DIV>
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<DIV>NOT FOR BROADCAST: This is the final warning for the Blue Mountains 
Local<BR>Government area. A Severe Thunderstorm Advice will remain current for 
the<BR>Central Tablelands district until 9pm.&nbsp; The Bureau and SES would 
appreciate<BR>it being broadcast regularly during this 
period.</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:20:57 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change.

Thanks David. The arguments for and against are many and sometimes
involved, aren't they?
Looking at the observations for where I live I would have expected a
warming trend (I only have them from 1965 to date)..the maxima remain
static while minima rise slightly (using a linear trend line anyway).And
I've even heard that statistical rounding off of the readings has been
used by either side of the debate to 'score a point or two', so to
speak. A new way to lie with statistics! 
If all the observing sites in the world were as good as Cape Otway's
maybe I'd be more easily persuaded, but like Les, I'm not going to do
something like calling on the mountains to fall down on me so I escape
the coming cataclysm. I think it's impossible to reach an inescapable
conclusion when the data quality are not all the same. But I agree with
you fully that we need to limit the gas emissions..perhaps only from the
point of view, not of climate change, but just plain, good,
old-fashioned commonsense management of the planet that we humans ,as
the highest form of life here, have been put in charge of. I am ashamed
of humanity the way it has stuffed things up..not only environmentally
but everything else, but this is not a forum for philosophising.
Another thing people might like to think about is the ozone hole.
The other night on Raging Planet there was a documentary on lightning to
which I think someone else on the list has already referred this week.
Anyway it mentioned the creation of ozone by lightning discharges.Now,
these storms are very effective in transporting heat, moisture
and..ozone..to the top of the troposphere. I would like someone to tell
me ,given that there are 1000(?) thunderstorms going on at any one
moment around the world, how many storms would it take to keep the ozone
in balance? Probably not much at all if it wasn't for the CFCs. Again I
have a problem with that..have we adequately measured the input from
natural events..no-one ever mentions that there is a volcano (Mt Erebus)
sitting right under the ozone hole ,pumping chlorine compounds into it.
And no-one mentions that, as far as cancer-causing radiation goes,the
hole forms (and for the most part appears to remain) at high latitudes
and seeing that in this hemisphere the sun doesn't come further south
that Lat.22 degrees or so, how can its rays pass straight through the
hole except at such low angles that the atmosphere would have scattered
them and diluted the severity of the UV etc.(similar effect to sunburn
warnings when we are told to wear a hat during the middle of the day but
at other times it's safer)?
Again thanks for your response, as usual it is well considered and most
helpful.

Cheers...Keith

David Jones wrote:
> 
> >Keith Barnett
> >Can I just add my 1 cent's worth?
> 
> Absolutely!
> 
> >Like David, I take seriously any threat that global warming of that
> >magnitude would bring. However, again, where is the conclusive evidence
> >that the warming will occur? If, as appears to be the case:
> >1.there is one camp saying the climate's not warming
> 
> There certainly is and this camp is almost entirely funded by large
> industry.
> There arguments are not grounded in fact, and they deliberately
> miss-represent facts to
> perpetuate this myth. A couple of classics come to mind...
> 1) Here in Australia the Cape Otway temperature series (stations details are
> here) http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/map/stations/90015.shtml
> is one of the "best" and longest series of its type dating back to the 1860s
> - a "perfect" spot to detect uninterrupted the greenhouse signal over the
> southern ocean. Indeed if you look at the record since ~1910 it shows a slow
> but steady warming trend (as does most of Australia and the globe) amounting
> to about 1C. Conveniently for the sceptic, around 1900 there is a cooling of
> about 2C which is 100% due to a change in instrumentation from a Glaisher
> thermometer enclosure to a Stevenson Screen, so if you use the entire series
> you have "proof" that the so-posed greenhouse warming hasn't really occurred
> - and that it is just a recover of temperatures back to what they were last
> (err. 19th) century!
> Anyway, the temperature discontinuity is well known, and anybody who has an
> unbiased interest in using this station series ensures that this change is
> removed or corrected for (and the true change is a warming of about 1C,
> rather than a cooling of about 1C) - but alas the "sceptic" have frequently
> used this entire non-corrected series in letters and submissions to prove
> the non-existence of greenhouse warming.
> 2) The satellite series are often used to proved the non-existence of
> warming and indeed to claim cooling. Earlier sets of these data did show
> cooling, simply because they were wrong - the scientists responsible for
> these data had not corrected the series for the decay of the satellite
> orbits due to friction on the atmosphere. Fix this problem, and these also
> show warming, despite the fact that they are heavily contaminated by
> stratospheric effects.
> 
> >3.there has been a drastic revision upward of the warming trend, or at
> >least an expansion of the range it MAY (not will) cover
> >then how accurate is the science that is making the predictions?
> 
> Most of the revision in the coming 3rd assessment (IPCC report) reflects
> greater uncertainty in how much carbon dioxide we as humans are going to
> pump in the next 100 years. This is not uncertainty in the climate science,
> but uncertainty in the socio-economic science. By 2100 the range of CO2
> concentrations goes from 500 to 1000 parts per million (against a pre
> industrial value of 280), meaning by 2100 that we will have done anything
> from double to nearly quadruple concentrations. We as humans decide entirely
> what value we want in 100 years. Interestingly, to limit ourselves to an
> approximate doubling we have to have our emissions in 2020 down to the
> levels seen in 1990, and thereafter reduce to fraction of 1990 levels.
> Current rates of emission growths suggest that we will have almost double
> 1990 emissions by 2020 (across the globe), and for this reason groups such
> as CSIRO are talking much more about triple CO2 change scenario's because it
> is going to be almost impossible for us to stop at a doubling...
> 
> Personally, I don't view this as an issue of the sky falling in - humans
> have a long history of rising to challenges, but rather as a wake up call
> that their is a potentially very serious problem which we must act on. I
> would expect climate change only to be a major problem if we act as if there
> is no problem.
> 
> >Again, as Les points out, politics have taken precedence. Was it issued
> >to coincide with the inauguration of President Bush?
> 
> There has certainly be some politics going-on. There is no doubt that some
> releases have been opportunistic, others coincident - the time-frame for the
> IPCC revision process was decide many years ago, so to feign a concerted
> time conspiracy is a bit rich. That said, there is some suspicion that green
> groups or delegates sympathetic to green groups may have prompted releases
> by leaking contents.
> 
> >I have never advocated 'doing nothing' about greenhouse gas emissions
> >etc but people with similar views to mine are either accused of being
> >greenhouse sceptics or just plain complacent, simply because we don't
> >run around the world with a red flag and a blowtorch setting the rest of
> >the world on fire because it doesn't do what we say, as some of the more
> >extreme environmentalists seem to do.
> >But then, scientists have said it haven't they, and therefore they must
> >be right (I'm talking tongue-in-cheek here). To hell with the rest of us
> >who are intelligent enough to know we are possibly being tricked, but
> >perceived as lower on the 'evolutionary ladder' because we haven't been
> >to university or because in the estimate of some, healthy scepticism is
> >a treasonable offence punishable by death.
> 
> A good dose of cynicism goes a long way. I know people who have spends 10+
> years at university, and are in the purest sense very very very intelligent
> but would struggle to tie their shoe laces!
> Whether you have a degree or not should be irrelevant to this kind of
> debate.
> 
> I have always had a green leaning - I guess tied into my bush walking etc -
> but used to be very cynical about the whole climate change thing myself. The
> trouble is the evidence for some very real and potentially very serious
> changes already happening is just so obvious. Studying glaciology and seeing
> the enormous wastage of glaciers over the past 100 years, which is only
> explainable by a warming of 1C, the almost 40% decline in low elevation snow
> cover in Australia since the 1950s, and the recent mass killing of coral
> globally in 1997/98 etc etc. really suggests something very real is going
> on.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] southwest slopes and riverina

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<DIV><FONT size=2>The southwest slopes and riverina is not so much a no go zone, 
but simply a long drive for the majority of Sydney based chasers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The slopes area would see its share of supercells over the 
years, but&nbsp; things generally get better the further north you go. Part of 
the reason is that fronts hardly ever stall in your area, they cause instability 
for 24 hours or so&nbsp;but always&nbsp;move on through. Another feature is that 
troughs in your part of the world have a harder time accessing moisture than 
troughs in the north of the state.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Having said that last year I noted many storm, especially 
squall lines pass through the Wagga area.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 25 January 2001 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [aussie-weather] southwest 
  slopes and riverina</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>hi all</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>i am a newcomer to this group and take great interest in severe 
  thunderstorms - as you all do (heck who doesn't!) but i am really only a 
  novice in terms of understanding and forecasting the weather - most of my 
  severe weather interest usually revolves around tornadoes and supercells - i 
  have, in my findings found much and information (books, articles, magazines 
  etc)on the australian tornado and i have been following the australian severe 
  weather site since '96 </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>anyway, enough rambling. I would like to know what the severe weather 
  situation is for the southwest slopes and riverina&nbsp; regions of NSW - 
  especially in terms of tornadoes - more specifically, i would like to know 
  what the frequency of tornadoes is for the area - and are such statistics 
  demographically affected or simply a case of different weather conditions to 
  that of say Tamworth.&nbsp;&nbsp; i know that this region can get tornadoes - 
  i have read of tornado touchdowns in the wagga wagga area every year since '97 
  and i have seen a filmed wall cloud pass over the same city, i have also seen 
  some massive and stunning supercells pass around my home town of 
  Junee.&nbsp;&nbsp;why i say all this is because despite all this, i have not 
  seen a tornado yet no matter how hard i have tried and lately the whole region 
  has been very poor in delivering any types of thunderstorms, let alone 
  supercells.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>do any of you who stormchase, ever travel down these parts or do you all 
  see it as a "don't bother zone"? -&nbsp;please reply, i would like to 
  know</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>danke</DIV>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] climate change..

I once heard this described in a very interesting way. It's like comparing a
dimmer switch to an ordinary switch. With a dimmer switch you apply x amount
of energy to operate the switch and you get a rather uniform and constant
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] left  Mover for Syd.

Written 17.00 edst, sent 21.00 edst when phone lines working.

Just had very heavy rain and intense electrical activity here at
Blackheath. 19.2mm in 20 mins between 6.15 and 6.35pm edst as the deep
red part of the storm on radar passed directly over -- no hint of
hail, though. Over about 15 minutes before the heavy rain arrived,
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:42:29 +1100, "James P" <severewxoz at hotmail.com>
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>Looks like i dont know my left from right!
>
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>>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:30:49 +1100
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>>Hi list,
>>       Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern
>>highlands and has only recently taken a nice sharp turn to the right.Hook
>>echo evident.
>>      Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
>>A monster!!!!
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Subject: [aussie-weather] OBS: Heavy rain

Mount Boyce, about 3km from where I measured the rain below, had
substantially heavier rain. Between 6 and 7pm, Mt Boyce recorded
31.6mm (I had 21.2). The heaviest rain was 19.4mm in 10 minutes to
6.26pm (116.4mm/h!). 

Some other heavy storm falls today, mostly in SA:

Coonawarra 34.8mm in 30 mins to 18.00 cdst
Adelaide (Kent Town) 13.8mm in 12 mins to 17.42 cdst
Mt Isa Qld 29.6mm in 30 mins to 20.00 est

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:09:21 GMT, wbc at ozemail.com.au wrote:

>Written 17.00 edst, sent 21.00 edst when phone lines working.
>
>Just had very heavy rain and intense electrical activity here at
>Blackheath. 19.2mm in 20 mins between 6.15 and 6.35pm edst as the deep
>red part of the storm on radar passed directly over -- no hint of
>hail, though. Over about 15 minutes before the heavy rain arrived,
>there were several dozen CG's within half a km (2 seconds to thunder),
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>>>Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:30:49 +1100
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>>>Hi list,
>>>       Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern
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>>>echo evident.
>>>      Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
>>>A monster!!!!
>>>Regards
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Two Happy Victorians at Echuca

Hi all!

Chris and Macca were out chasing this afternoon and evening - they got a
few nice cells around Bendigo.  But the best event was actually near
Echuca from a very nice lightning show!  For about thirty minutes it was
strobe lightning, with a few CG's within 2-3km.  Some of them gave very
nice cracks of thunder (as they played them down the phone line!)  While
going through the video footage, they actually discovered they have
three streamers coming from 2 CG's!  One of the CG's gave 2 streamers,
another gave a single streamer - all from a fence several metres beside
them!!!!!!!  It is on both video cameras, and they've checked very
closely to make sure there's no optical illusions.  One of the
interesting things is that in one of them, when played frame by frame,
the streamer actually occurs just before the strike!

They look to be in a good position to chase in the southern central
region of NSW tomorrow.  Lets hope the cloud moves off, and nother else
develops to clutter it up!
-- 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] SUMMARY: October TC Summary-Part 1

                  MONTHLY GLOBAL TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY

                              OCTOBER, 2000

  (For general comments about the nature of these summaries, as well as
  information on how to download the tabular cyclone track files, see
  the Author's Note at the end of this summary.)

  NOTE:  The October summary is being disseminated in two parts.  The
  first installment covers the Northwest Pacific and North Indian
  Ocean basins.   The second will cover the Atlantic and Northeast
  Pacific basins.   The final (third) installment of the September
  summary has not yet been completed but should be ready in just a few
  days.

  ***********************************************************************

                          OCTOBER HIGHLIGHTS

  --> Western Atlantic subtropics very active
  --> Significant typhoon rakes Philippines and Taiwan
  --> First North Indian Ocean cyclones of year develop

  ***********************************************************************

              ***** Topic of the Month for October *****

  NOTE!!!  This feature will appear in Part 2 of the October summary.

  ***********************************************************************

                           ACTIVITY BY BASINS

  ATLANTIC (ATL) - North Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean Sea, Gulf of Mexico

  Activity for October:  2 tropical storms
                         1 hurricane
                         1 subtropical storm
                         1 hybrid (possibly subtropical) storm

  NOTE!!!  Atlantic basin activity will be covered in Part 2 of the
           October summary.

  ***********************************************************************

  NORTHEAST PACIFIC (NEP) - North Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 180

  Activity for October:  2 tropical storms

  NOTE!!!  Northeast Pacific basin activity will be covered in Part 2
           of the October summary.

*************************************************************************

  NORTHWEST PACIFIC (NWP) - North Pacific Ocean West of Longitude 180

  Activity for October:  2 tropical storms **
                         2 typhoons

  ** - one of these was treated as a tropical storm only by JTWC, and
       another is included based upon Mark Lander's assessment that it
       reached tropical storm intensity

  NOTE: Most of the information on each cyclone's history presented in
  the narrative will be based upon JTWC's advisories, and references to
  winds should be understood as a 1-min avg MSW unless otherwise noted.
  However, in the accompanying tracking document I have made comparisons
  of coordinates with JMA (Japan) and the Philippines (PAGASA) when their
  positions differed from JTWC's by usually 40-50 nm or more.  A special
  thanks to Michael V. Padua, owner of the Typhoon 2000 website, for
  sending me the PAGASA and JMA tracks.

     In the title line for each storm I plan to reference all the cyclone
  names/numbers I have available:    JTWC's depression number, the
  JMA-assigned name (if any), JMA's tropical storm numeric designator,
  and PAGASA's name for systems forming in or passing through their area
  of responsibility.


               Northwest Pacific Tropical Activity for October
               -----------------------------------------------

     In marked contrast to August and September, the Northwest Pacific
  basin was much quieter in October, at least until the closing days of
  the month when two typhoons formed.  Typhoon Yagi threatened Taiwan
  but ran into an unfavorable environment and dissipated between Taiwan
  and Okinawa.  (Note: JMA did not classify Yagi as a typhoon, but PAGASA
  did upgrade the storm to typhoon status.)   Whereas Yagi formed as a
  small, TUTT cell-induced system in the northern edge of the tropics,
  Typhoon Xangsane formed as a monsoon depression very deep in the
  tropics east of Mindanao.   Xangsane crossed Luzon and later brushed
  Taiwan and was responsible for several fatalities and significant
  damage in both countries.

     In addition to the named cyclones there were two other systems which
  are discussed below.  Tropical Storm 28W was a weak tropical cyclone
  which roamed the western South China Sea for over a week early in the
  month.   JMA classified this system as a tropical depression only, but
  synoptic observations in the 35-40 kt range seem to support JTWC's
  decision to upgrade the system to a tropical storm.    Also, I have
  included some information supplied by Mark Lander on another very
  small TUTT cell-induced LOW which he considers to have been an unnamed,
  unnumbered tropical storm.  I have dubbed this cyclone with the Greek
  letter "Xi" for identification purposes.

     Finally, another tropical depression (31W) formed on the final day
  of October east of Mindanao almost exactly where Typhoon Xangsane had
  taken shape a few days earlier.  This system developed into Typhoon
  Bebinca and followed a track across the central Philippines almost
  identical to that taken by the earlier storm.  Bebinca will be covered
  in the November summary.


                         Tropical Storm  (TC-28W)
                              6 - 14 October
                         ------------------------

     Tropical Storm 28W was a relatively weak system which roamed the
  western South China Sea for a week in early October.   JTWC classified
  the system as a tropical storm on 8 and 9 October and again very
  briefly before it dissipated on the 13th, but JMA treated the LOW as
  a tropical depression throughout its lifetime: hence, no name was
  assigned.  The cyclone also remained to the west of PAGASA's AOR so
  never received a name from that agency.    A persistent although
  disorganized area of convection was located in the Sulu Sea early on
  4 October.   Vertical shear was weak and the area was located beneath
  a ridge axis.  As the day progressed convection developed farther to
  the west--to the southwest of Palawan Island--with improving
  organization.  A LLCC was evident and JTWC assigned a Fair development
  potential rating to the disturbance.

     By early on 6 October the broad, poorly-defined LLCC was located
  about 200 nm off the Vietnamese coast and, with moderate upper-level
  easterlies over the area, appeared to be weakening, so the development
  potential was downgraded to Poor.   However, as the day progressed
  animated satellite imagery indicated an increase in convective
  organization and a ship in the area reported an observation of 30-kt
  winds, so at 1800 UTC JTWC initiated warnings on TD-28W, located about
  100 nm east-northeast of Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam.  The MSW was estimated
  at 30 kts, and the depression was initially forecast to move westward
  and inland without further strengthening.  Visible pictures on the 7th,
  however, revealed that the depression's center was farther east than
  previously analyzed, resulting in a relocation of about 65 nm to the
  east of the previous warning position.

     The depression subsequently drifted slowly in a general eastward
  direction, gradually curving to the north on the 8th.  As early as
  0600 UTC on the 7th some satellite intensity estimates were reaching
  35 kts and by 08/0600 UTC had reached 45 kts.  This, in conjunction
  with a land observation of 35-kt winds (WMO 59995), led to JTWC's
  upgrading the depression to a tropical storm at 0600 UTC.  The cyclone
  was still experiencing moderate easterly vertical shear, resulting in
  a fully-exposed LLCC with deep convection sheared around 40 nm to the
  west.  (JMA had classified the system as a tropical depression at
  1800 UTC on the 7th but never upgraded it to a tropical storm.)  The
  weak storm drifted slowly northward on the 8th, then began to turn
  to the northwest on the 9th as a low- to mid-level ridge began to
  build to the northeast.  The MSW was increased to the peak value of
  40 kts at 08/1800 UTC based upon satellite intensity estimates of
  35 and 45 kts.   An increase in convection had occurred near the
  LLCC during the night.

     The peak intensity of 40 kts was maintained for about 30 hours.
  Moderate shear remained over the cyclone as it moved slowly northward
  and northwestward, and the center was partially-exposed.  A synoptic
  ship report of 40-kt winds was received sometime before 09/0600 UTC,
  confirming the MSW estimate.  By 1800 UTC on 9 October the center of
  the weak tropical storm was located about 215 nm east-southeast of
  Da Nang, Vietman, and moving northwestward at 6 kts.  Satellite current
  intensity estimates were still ranging from 35 to 55 kts, but the
  center had become exposed with the LLCC displaced about 75 nm to the
  east of the deep convection.  The majority of the convection associated
  with the system had moved over the Vietnamese coast.  A ship located
  approximately 50 nm west-southwest of the center reported 35-kt winds
  (10-min avg) from the west-northwest with an attendant SLP of 999.5 mb.
  Again, on the 10th, the first visible pictures resulted in a relocation
  of the center.   The 10/0000 UTC position was about 90 nm southwest of
  the previous warning position, and the storm was downgraded to a
  tropical depression.

    TD-28W was forecast to move inland and dissipate, but instead the
  system began to track northeastward under the steering influence of
  monsoon trough winds to its south.  Over the next couple of days the
  weak depression drifted slowly generally in a northeastward direction,
  remaining a fully-exposed LLCC with little to no associated deep
  convection.  This made the center very difficult to follow in night-
  time infrared imagery, and the track appears somewhat erratic.  The
  estimated MSW, which had been decreased to 25 kts at 1200 UTC on
  10 October, was bumped up slightly to 30 kts at 12/0000 UTC as micro-
  wave imagery revealed two cells of deep convection forming near the
  center.   Dvorak intensity estimates began to slowly increase on the
  12th--by 1200 UTC a new area of convection had developed over the
  estimated position of the LLCC.

     The depression was once more upgraded to a tropical storm at 0000
  UTC on 13 October when the location of the center was estimated to be
  about 245 nm east-northeast of Da Nang.  The exact location of the
  LLCC, however, was difficult to pinpoint.   Convection covered the
  entire northern South China Sea and there was some evidence of multiple
  circulation centers.  Satellite intensity estimates were 35 kts, and
  a strong band of convection had begun to organize to the north and
  east of the estimated center.  The rejuvenated tropical storm had
  also turned toward the northwest and was forecast to make landfall
  along the east coast of Hainan Island.    However, six hours later
  animated satellite imagery showed a decrease in the intensity of
  the convection and the LLCC was difficult to locate.  JTWC once more
  downgraded the cyclone to a depression at 13/0600 UTC and issued
  the final warning, placing the dissipating center about 175 nm east-
  northeast of Da Nang.  A secondary LLCC with some weak convection was
  noted about 150 nm to the south of the primary center but no further
  development was noted with this system.


                          Tropical Cyclone "Xi"
                             15 - 19 October
                          ---------------------

     The material presented on this system was gleaned from information
  sent to the author by Dr. Mark Lander of the University of Guam and
  from some STWO's issued by JTWC.   The track prepared by Mark locates
  a small, weak circulation center about 475 nm east-southeast of Iwo
  Jima at 0000 UTC on 15 October.   Over the next couple of days the
  system moved generally west-northwestward, passing approximately 50 nm
  south of Iwo Jima around 1200 UTC on the 16th.    The area was first
  mentioned by JTWC in a STWO issued at 16/0600 UTC and was described as
  a fully-exposed LLCC with convection sheared southwest of the center
  and embedded in an inverted trough.   Mark's track depicts the LOW
  reaching its point of recurvature about 50 nm west-northwest of Iwo
  Jima around 17/0000 UTC and thereafter turning to the north and later
  to the east.   Mark's MSW estimate at this point is 30 kts, but the
  17/0600 UTC STWO from JTWC indicates that the system had disspated.

     In Mark's opinion the system reached tropical storm intensity around
  1200 UTC on the 17th at a point about 100 nm north-northwest of Iwo
  Jima and reached its peak intensity of 40 kts twelve hours later when
  it was centered 200 nm north of the island.   That the system appeared
  better developed is evidenced by the issuance of a Formation Alert by
  JTWC at 18/0200 UTC.   The remarks indicated that a 17/2030 UTC Quik-
  Scat pass showed 15-20 kt winds and troughing in the area, but also
  noted that the circulation might be too small for the satellite to
  resolve.  The areal extent of the system was only about 100 nm and it
  was located on the end of a shear line.  The small cyclone moved off
  to the east and had weakened to a depression (per Mark's track) by
  1800 UTC on the 18th.   JTWC cancelled the Formation Alert at 1400 UTC
  and reported that the system had begun to move rapidly eastward and was
  weakening under increasing vertical shear as it neared a cold front
  moving off Japan.   By 19/0000 UTC the LOW had apparently been absorbed
  into the front about 300 nm northeast of Iwo Jima.

     Mark Lander elaborated a bit on the subject of these small, TUTT
  cell-induced tropical cyclones in the subtropics when he sent me the
  track.  I thought that his remarks might be of interest to some readers
  so I am including them here verbatim:

    "I think these small tropical cyclones that develop in the subtropics
  in association with TUTT cells are important because of their very
  delimited and easily followed genesis that is clearly related to the
  forcing of the upper-level vortex on the distribution of convection,
  stability and wind shear.  These types of small TCs tend to form in the
  northeast quadrant of the TUTT cell in pre-existing low-level easterly
  flow, unlike the majority of WESTPAC TCs that form in the monsoon
  trough.

    "The subject tropical storm formed only a few days before the next
  TUTT cell to move west across the WESTPAC basin produced another TC
  that became Typhoon Yagi.  Images of Yagi forming in its TUTT cell
  environment look identical to images of the subject unnamed, unnumbered
  tropical storm at the same point of development in its TUTT cell
  environment.

    "TUTT cell-induced TC genesis in the subtropics of the WESTPAC basin
  is the closest thing that we have to what might be considered a 'wave
  in the easterlies.'   As the incipient TC develops from its parent
  MCS, there is a brief stage where an inverted trough appears in the
  easterly flow.

    "Another rule of thumb that has emerged from a study of these small
  TUTT cell-induced TCs:  they tend to peak after recurvature.  Some of
  the more intense ones (like Yagi, which followed this guy by only a
  few days, and Jelawat in early August) keep moving westward and peak
  at typhoon (intensity) before recurvature.

    "A more thorough examination of a satellite picture archive like that
  of Jeff Hawkins at NRL Monterey might yield a more accurate best
  track, so my purpose here is simply to point out the existence of an
  unnumbered, unnamed tropical storm, and those really interested in
  following up, or doing more research, on it can use my best track as
  a reference for a more in-depth search."  (Quote from personal e-mail
  received from Mark Lander.)



                Typhoon Yagi  (TC-29W / STS 0019 / Paring)
                              21 - 28 October
                ------------------------------------------

  Yagi: contributed by Japan, is the Japanese word for goat

     Typhoon Yagi was a compact typhoon which formed in the upper tropics
  about 200 nm southwest of Iwo Jima and traveled westward for several
  days in the general direction of northern Taiwan.  As Yagi approached
  Taiwan it intensified rather quickly into a fairly intense typhoon
  (based upon JTWC warnings) and was forecast to strike the island, but
  it ran into an environment of vertical wind shear and drier air and
  began to steadily weaken.  The storm eventually made a clockwise loop
  east of northern Taiwan as it dissipated.  It should be pointed out
  that JMA never upgraded Yagi to a typhoon.  At the warning time when
  JTWC's estimated MSW reached its peak value of 105 kts (24/1800 UTC),
  JMA's maximum 10-min avg wind estimate was only 55 kts.  JMA did
  increase the 10-min avg wind to 60 kts at 25/0000 and 25/0600 UTC.
  However, PAGASA (which called the storm Paring) did upgrade Yagi to a
  65-kt typhoon (10-min avg) at 24/0600 UTC and maintained that intensity
  until the storm moved out of their AOR after 25/0000 UTC.

     Yagi's beginnings can be traced to an area of convection which had
  developed by early on 20 October about 400 nm north-northeast of Guam.
  A partially-exposed weak LLCC could be seen in animated satellite
  imagery with persistent, isolated convection north of the center.  The
  disturbance was embedded within an inverted trough with convergent flow
  displaced north and east of the center; vertical shear was light to
  moderate.  The development potential was upgraded to Fair later in the
  day as convection increased in areal extent.  A Formation Alert was
  issued at 0800 UTC on the 21st when the LLCC was centered approximately
  325 nm south-southeast of Iwo Jima.   The system had been moving rather
  rapidly westward under the steering influence of the subtropical ridge
  to the north.  The initial warning on TD-29W was issued at 1800 UTC on
  21 October and placed the center about 225 nm south-southwest of Iwo
  Jima or approximately 740 nm east-southeast of Okinawa.   (JMA had
  classified the system as a tropical depression beginning at 0000 UTC.)
  TD-29W was moving rather quickly west-northwestward at 17 kts and was
  already near tropical storm intensity.

     JTWC upgraded the depression to a tropical storm on the second
  warning (22/0000 UTC) when satellite intensity estimates had reached
  35 kts, and JMA did so six hours later, naming the system Yagi.  Based
  upon JTWC warnings Yagi remained a minimal tropical storm for 24 hours
  after being upgraded as it sailed rather quickly toward the west.  (JMA
  increased the maximum 10-min avg wind estimate to 40 kts at 1200 UTC.)
  The 1200 UTC warning from JTWC, while indicating that convection had
  consolidated around a small LLCC, also noted that a recent QuikScat
  pass had not been able to resolve a circulation center beneath the
  convection.   JTWC increased the MSW to 45 kts at 23/0000 UTC with the
  small cyclone centered about 360 nm southeast of Naha, Okinawa.  Yagi's
  forward motion had slowed to 9 kts by 1200 UTC and the MSW was upped
  to 60 kts at 1800 UTC.  Satellite intensity estimates were 45 and 55
  kts, but infrared imagery showed possible eye development.  A 23/1228
  UTC SSM/I pass depicted tightly curved convective bands with the
  deepest convection north of the system's center.

     JTWC upgraded Yagi to a typhoon at 0000 UTC on 24 October when the
  storm was located just under 200 nm south of Okinawa.  Animated water
  vapor imagery indicated that a new outflow channel had formed on the
  north side of the system, thus supporting the increase in intensity.
  (PAGASA upgraded Yagi/Paring to a 65-kt typhoon at 0600 UTC but the
  storm was not considered a typhoon by JMA.)   The storm continued to
  rapidly intensify and reached its peak estimated MSW (per JTWC's
  warnings) of 105 kts at 1800 UTC when it was centered approximately
  215 nm east-southeast of Taipei and 20 nm south of Miyako Island.)
  The warning intensity was based upon satellite intensity estimates of
  102 and 115 kts.  Miyako Island (WMO 47927) reported sustained 28-kt
  winds, so Yagi was characterized by a very tight wind field.  Satellite
  imagery revealed a 20-nm cloud-filled eye with the radius of 50-kt
  winds estimated to be only 25 nm.  Gales covered an area less than
  150 nm in diameter.

     Interestingly, before reaching its peak intensity, Yagi had been
  forecast to make landfall in Taiwan.  But by the time the storm peaked,
  landfall was no longer forecast and the typhoon was expected to
  encounter vertical shear and begin to weaken quickly after about 24 to
  36 hours.  At 25/0000 UTC Miyako Island reported 10-min avg sustained
  winds of 59 kts with gusts to 78 kts.     Some shearing was already
  beginning to affect Yagi and convection was weakening.    The MSW
  was lowered to 90 kts at 0600 UTC with the cyclone moving north-
  northwestward at only 4 kts from a position 140 nm east of Taipei.
  The forecast weakening trend continued: by 0000 UTC on 26 October
  Yagi's winds were down to 75 kts, and JTWC downgraded the cyclone to
  a tropical storm at 1200 UTC.  At 26/0000 UTC Yagi was located about
  140 nm west of Okinawa and was tracking slowly eastward.  The storm
  was located beneath 30-40 kt upper southwesterlies and cold, dry air
  was being entrained into the system.   The strong shear began to
  decouple the convection from the LLCC, and the 1200 UTC warning noted
  that the convection appeared to be rotating anti-cyclonically if at
  all.  Radar imagery also indicated a band of strong convection moving
  eastward without any rotation evident.

     The weakening Yagi approached to within about 40 nm of Naha before
  turning back to the west-southwest.     At 27/0000 UTC the MSW was
  estimated at 45 kts by JTWC, but JMA downgraded Yagi to a dissipating
  depression and issued their last tropical cyclone bulletin on the
  system.  Convection was sheared about 185 nm to the northeast of the
  LLCC.  A building ridge over the East China Sea forced the sheared
  cyclone to the south and then back to the west as it dissipated,
  describing a clockwise loop in the process.   JTWC downgraded Yagi to
  a tropical depression at 1200 UTC on the 27th when the LLCC was located
  about 125 nm southwest of Okinawa.  At 28/0000 UTC a ship located about
  55 nm south-southwest of the depression's center reported north-
  northwest winds of 26 kts.      By this time there was no significant
  convection associated with the system.  The final warning on Yagi was
  issued at 28/0600 UTC and placed the center with only 20-kt winds
  about 90 nm east of Taipei, Taiwan.  Animation of visible satellite
  imagery revealed a vast stratocumulus deck with a convection-free,
  fully-exposed low-level circulation center.  The author has received
  no reports of any casualties or damage associated with Typhoon Yagi.



              Typhoon Xangsane  (TC-30W / TY 0020 / Reming)
                         25 October - 2 November
              ---------------------------------------------

  Xangsane: contributed by Lao People's Democratic Republic (Laos), is
            the Laotian word for elephant


     In contrast to Typhoon Yagi, which was a small, TUTT cell-induced
  system forming in the upper tropics, Typhoon Xangsane developed in
  the monsoon trough very deep in the tropics east of the southern
  Philippines.   Although the storm developed into a typhoon of only
  moderate intensity (90 kts), it left a trail of death and destruction
  in the Philippines and Taiwan.   An area of convection had developed
  by early on 24 October almost 300 nm southeast of Yap.  A sudden burst
  of convection had appeared in satellite imagery and synoptic data
  indicated a weak LLCC embedded in the monsoon trough extending eastward
  from Mindanao.   The disturbance moved westward with slowly increasing
  organization and pressure falls of 2 to 4 mb in the area.  JTWC issued
  a Formation Alert at 0500 UTC on the 25th when the center was located
  about 75 nm south of Yap.  Deep convection had begun to develop near
  the LLCC and the development potential was rated as Good.  PAGASA
  classified the LOW as a tropical depression at 0200 UTC and initiated
  warnings, naming the depression Reming.

     JTWC issued the first warning on TD-30W at 25/1200 UTC with the
  center estimated to be about 140 nm northeast of Palau.  The system
  was moving on a west-northwestward course from which it never
  significantly deviated until after it had crossed Luzon and recurved
  sharply to the north-northeast in the South China Sea.  Deep convection
  continued to develop near 30W/Reming's center but organization of the
  convection proceeded somewhat slowly.   PAGASA upgraded Reming to a
  40-kt tropical storm at 0000 UTC on 26 October when the system was
  centered approximately 175 nm northwest of Palau.  Both JTWC and JMA
  upgraded the system to a tropical storm at 0600 UTC with JMA assigning
  the name Xangsane (the second "elephant" of the year: the name of the
  first typhoon back in May--Damrey--is the Cambodian word for elephant).
  Tropical Storm Xangsane steadily intensified as it marched toward the
  central Philippines.  Vertical shear was weak and the convection became
  increasingly intense and organized around the circulation center.
  MSW estimates had reached 55 kts from both JTWC and PAGASA by 1800 UTC,
  and JTWC upgraded Xangsane to a typhoon at 27/0000 UTC with the center
  located about 200 nm northeast of Surigao (on the extreme northern tip
  of Mindanao).   PAGASA's 10-min avg wind estimate was 60 kts, but JMA's
  was somewhat lower at 50 kts.

     Xangsane/Reming continued to increase in intensity until it made
  landfall in extreme southeastern Luzon shortly before 1800 UTC.  JTWC
  estimated the MSW at 75 kts (based on satellite intensity estimates
  of 65 and 77 kts), but PAGASA's and JMA's maximum 10-min avg wind
  estimates were 60 kts, just shy of typhoon intensity.  The center of
  the cyclone passed just south of Catanduanes Island, up the Lagonoy
  Gulf and into southeastern Luzon.   At 1800 UTC the center of Xangsane/
  Reming was located approximately 135 nm east of Manila.  This location
  is only 25 nm (45 km) northeast of Naga City where one of my "helpers",
  Michael Padua, lives.  Although convection had continued to organize
  around the center, it weakened in the bands northwest of the eye as
  they rotated over Luzon.  A SSM/I pass at 27/1310 UTC revealed a 30-nm
  round eye with excellent banding features.  Also, animated water vapor
  imagery depicted good outflow above the storm.

     Michael Padua sent me a log of his personal observations as Reming
  passed over Naga City (which was in the eye of the typhoon).  The
  maximum sustained wind Mike recorded was a north-northeast wind of
  43 kts (80 kph) at 3:00 and 3:30 AM local time.  This was before the
  eye reached Naga City around 4:00 AM when the winds began to diminish
  rapidly.   The peak gust of 53 kts (98 kph) was recorded at 1:00 AM,
  although a nearby PAGASA station recorded a gust of 59 kts (108 kph)
  at 6:00 AM, after the eye had passed by.  The minimum pressure recorded
  by Mike in the eye was 977 mb at 4:30 AM.  Mike's complete Observations
  Log can be found at the following URL:

    <http://www.geocities.com/taifun00/xangsane_obs.htm>

  By clicking on the "Show Graph" button one can view a very nice and
  informative graphical representation of the time histories of the
  pressure, sustained wind, and peak gusts which Mike recorded on his
  instruments.   By using colored bars for pressure and two different
  colored lines for the two windspeed parameters, Mike has created a
  very impressive-looking and easy-to-read chart of his observations.

     Typhoon Xangsane/Reming crossed the southern portion of Luzon,
  passing about 80 km south of Manila around 0600 UTC on 28 October.
  The 28/0000 UTC observation from WMO 98440 indicated 40-kt sustained
  winds (10-min avg) and a SLP of 990.4 mb.     The MSW had decreased
  to 55 kts by the time the center emerged into the South China Sea
  (around 1800 UTC).   While the storm was still over Luzon, at 0600 UTC,
  a ship 75 nm to the northwest of the center reported sustained north-
  erly winds of 45 kts.   Deep convection persisted near the center while
  the storm was over land.   By 1800 UTC the center of Xangsane was over
  the South China Sea about 85 nm northwest of Manila and moving north-
  westward at 10 kts.   The storm became quasi-stationary on the 29th
  about 200 nm northwest of Manila.  The MSW remained at 55 kts but
  around 29/1200 UTC the convection had weakened due to some erosion
  by dry air in the western semicircle.  However, by 1800 UTC the storm
  had re-intensified with a developing banding eye apparent, so Xangsane
  was upgraded once more to typhoon status with 65-kt winds.  (JMA's
  maximum 10-min avg wind was 60 kts at this juncture, but both JMA and
  PAGASA upgraded the storm to a typhoon at 30/0000 UTC.)  A TRMM pass
  at 29/1517 UTC depicted improving organization with a solid ring of
  eyewall convection.

     Xangsane reached its peak intensity of 90 kts (per JTWC) at 0000 UTC
  on 30 October.  The storm was still quasi-stationary about 200 nm from
  Manila or about 360 nm south-southwest of the southern tip of Taiwan.
  (JMA's maximum 10-min avg wind for the storm's history was 75 kts from
  30/0600 to 31/1200 UTC.)  A ragged eye 28-nm in diameter was visible,
  and the typhoon exhibited excellent outflow in all quadrants.
  Convection over the northeastern quadrant more or less disappeared due
  to interaction with the west coast of Luzon, but a fulldisk infrared
  image showed a large feeder band extending from Malaysia into the
  center of Xangsane.    By 1800 UTC on the 30th the storm was located
  approximately 65 nm west of Laoag on northwestern Luzon and was moving
  north-northeastward at 8 kts.  An approaching upper-level trough caused
  the typhoon to accelerate toward the north-northeast and also increased
  the shear over the storm.   At 31/1200 UTC the 30-nm diameter eye was
  centered about 65 nm south of the southern tip of Taiwan and was moving
  north-northeastward at 13 kts.    By 1800 UTC on the 31st Xangsane was
  brushing the southeastern coast of Taiwan and had accelerated to
  19 kts.   The MSW had dropped to 80 kts (70 kts from JMA) and the
  typhoon was beginning to slowly transition into an extratropical storm.

     Typhoon Xangsane continued to slowly weaken and lose its tropical
  characteristics as it sped north-northeastward just off the east coast
  of Taiwan.   The storm passed about 65 nm east of Taipei around 0000
  UTC on 1 November and by 0600 UTC was only a minimal 65-kt typhoon
  located about 100 nm northeast of the city.  (JMA at this point down-
  graded Xangsane to a 50-kt tropical storm.)  JTWC downgraded the system
  to a tropical storm at 01/1200 UTC and issued their final warning at
  1800 UTC.  Xangsane was located about 100 nm southwest of the Japanese
  island of Kyushu (or about 375 nm east of Shanghai, China) and was
  racing northeastward at 37 kts.  The rapidly weakening convection was
  being sheared northeast of the center and satellite imagery indicated
  significant entrainment of cooler, drier air with an extensive strato-
  cumulus field from southwest to northwest of the system.  The by-now
  extratropical gale continued to move northeastward across southwestern
  Japan.  The final position available to the author (from JMA's High
  Seas Bulletins) placed the LOW in the vicinity of Osaka at 0600 UTC
  on 2 November.

     A press report indicated that Typhoon Xangsane/Reming left at least
  26 dead in the Philippines with 50 additional persons missing at the
  time of the report, most of these fishermen missing at sea.  The storm
  caused 30,000 families to have to evacuate their homes and 100,000
  persons were left homeless.   Hundreds of homes were damaged due to
  flooding in Manila and nearby provinces.  Total damage to property and
  crops was placed at 1.4 billion pesos, or $27.45 million.  The Filipino
  Department of Agriculture reported that 275,672 hectares of rice
  paddies were flooded, resulting in an estimated loss of 112,211 tons
  of unmilled rice.

     In Taiwan Xangsane was reportedly the most destructive typhoon to
  strike the island since Typhoon Herb in 1996.   The death toll reached
  at least 59 with 30 persons missing.  In the northern port city of
  Keelung, 21 persons were drowned after being caught in buildings that
  flooded rapidly.  Heavy rains triggered landslides near Taiwan, and
  schools and government offices in several cities and counties closed
  due to the storm.  Flooding was reported to be the worst on Taiwan in
  30 years.  The Council of Agriculture estimated initial agricultural
  losses at $62.5 million.

     There was also an air disaster which was indirectly due to the
  typhoon.  A Boeing 747 owned by Singapore Airlines crashed on takeoff
  from Taipei's Chang Kai Shek International Airport on 31 October with
  the loss of 82 lives out of the 179 on board.    At the time of the
  crash Typhoon Xangsane was near the southern tip of the island and
  moving quickly north-northeastward.   Winds at the airport were 37 kts
  from the north-northeast gusting to 56 kts, and visibility was 400 m in
  heavy rain.   A subsequent investigation of the accident revealed that
  the flight crew mistakenly attempted takeoff on the wrong runway, one
  which was closed for repairs.   The airplane struck some of the
  construction equipment while traveling at 140 kts, breaking the
  fuselage into three parts and igniting a large post-crash fire.  More
  details on the accident can be found at the following website:

     <http://www.airdisaster.com>

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  NORTH INDIAN OCEAN (NIO) - Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea

  Activity for October:  2 tropical cyclones of gale intensity

  NOTE:  The tracking and intensity information for North Indian Ocean
  Basin tropical cyclones is based primarily upon operational warnings
  from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center of the U. S. Air Force and Navy
  (JTWC) at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.  Occasionally some information may
  be gleaned from the daily Tropical Weather Outlooks and other bulletins
  issued by the Indian Meteorological Department (IMD), which is the
  WMO's RSMC for the basin.

     The MSW are based on a 1-min averaging period, which is used by
  all U. S. civilian and military weather services for tropical cyclone
  warnings.  For synoptic observations in the North Indian region,
  both 10-min and 3-min average winds are employed, but IMD makes no
  attempt to modify the Dvorak scale for estimating tropical cyclone
  intensity; hence, a 1-min avg MSW is implied.  In the North Indian
  basin JTWC usually does not initiate warnings until a system is
  well-organized and likely to attain tropical storm status within
  48 hours.


                        Tropical Cyclone  (TC-01B)
                             15 - 18 October
                        --------------------------

     On 12 October an area of convection developed in the east-central
  Bay of Bengal roughly 500 nm south-southeast of Calcutta.  Synoptic
  data and microwave imagery indicated a possible LLCC associated with
  the convection.  By the 14th the disturbance had moved farther to the
  west and lay over the central Bay.  Satellite imagery revealed a fully-
  exposed LLCC with persistent deep convection about 75 nm west-northwest
  of the center.   The MSW was estimated at 25 kts--a tropical depression
  by NWP basin warning criteria.   The Indian Meteorological Department
  (IMD) did classify the developing system as a depression at 0600 UTC on
  15 October when it was centered approximately 350 nm east-southeast of
  Visakhapatnam, India.   Also, at 15/0600 UTC JTWC issued a Formation
  Alert for the disturbance.  A 15/0117 UTC TRMM pass depicted improved
  curvature and developing convective bands northwest of the LLCC.  Water
  vapor imagery also revealed good outflow over the system.  By 1800 UTC
  IMD had increased the intensity estimate to 30 kts--a deep depression
  by their terminology.  The depression had continued to move westward
  and the center was located approximately 225 nm southeast of the city
  of Visakhapatnam.

     JTWC issued the first warning on TC-01B at 0000 UTC on 16 October.
  The initial MSW was 35 kts and the center was located about 320 nm
  east-southeast of Vijayavada, India, moving westward at 8 kts.  The
  current satellite intensity estimate was 30 kts, but QuikScat data
  indicated that winds of 35 kts were occurring, primarily in the north-
  western quadrant.  The center was partially-exposed with the deep
  convection situated to the west of the vortex.  The cyclone was in
  an environment of light to moderate vertical shear.   The system's
  forward progress had slowed to 3 kts by 1200 UTC and the center was
  fully-exposed with the deep convection sheared about 50 nm west of
  the LLCC.

     The minimal tropical storm continued to move slowly in a general
  westerly direction toward southeastern India on 17 and 18 October but
  never made landfall.  JTWC temporarily downgraded the system to a 30-kt
  depression at 17/1200 UTC but IMD continued to refer to it as a
  cyclonic storm in their bulletins.    Satellite imagery revealed a
  fully-exposed circulation with convection sheared 85 nm to the west
  of the LLCC.     By 18/0000 UTC, though, satellite intensity estimates
  had jumped a little as the center had moved near the edge of the
  convection, so JTWC re-upgraded TC-01B to a minimal tropical storm
  located about 160 nm east-southeast of Masulipatnam, India.   However,
  twelve hours later the convection had weakened and moved well to the
  west of the LLCC, which had become difficult to locate.  JTWC down-
  graded the cyclone once more to a depression and issued their last
  warning, placing the center with 25-kt winds about 115 nm east-
  southeast of Masulipatnam.  (IMD, however, was still carrying the
  system as a cyclonic storm at 1800 UTC but had downgraded it to a
  low-pressure area by the following day.)

     There were no reported human fatalities in India from this weak
  tropical cyclone, but a press report indicated that gale-force winds
  in the Srikakulam district killed at least 100 pelican chicks by
  blowing them out of their nests.



                        Tropical Cyclone  (TC-02B)
                              26 - 28 October
                        --------------------------

     The second North Indian Ocean tropical cyclone of the month (and
  also of the year) had its roots in an area of convection which
  developed about 200 nm west-northwest of the Andaman Islands late on
  24 October.  Synoptic data indicated the presence of a weak cyclonic
  circulation with good outflow aloft.  JTWC upgraded the development
  potential of the disturbance to Fair at 1800 UTC on the 25th.  IMD
  classified the system as a depression with 25-kt winds at 0600 UTC
  on 26 October when it was located about 500 nm south-southeast of
  Calcutta.  By 1800 UTC the disturbance had moved farther west into
  the central Bay of Bengal.   Convection was intense at times but did
  not sustain itself.   JTWC estimated the winds at 20-30 kts and issued
  a Formation Alert.

     By 1200 UTC on 27 October the depression had moved northward toward
  the head of the Bay.  Since the system was moving into a region of
  increased shear, and also since the majority of the associated deep
  convection lay over land, JTWC cancelled the Formation Alert at 1500
  UTC.  A 27/1454 UTC SSM/I pass indicated a convective band east of the
  system wrapping into the LLCC.  The STWO issued by JTWC at 1800 UTC
  estimated the MSW at 25-30 kts (a tropical depression by NWP warning
  criteria) and downgraded the development potential to Fair.   However,
  shortly thereafter the first warning was issued on TC-02B based upon
  satellite intensity estimates of 35 and 55 kts.   Animated satellite
  imagery depicted increased organization with the convective band noted
  above wrapping into the LLCC.  Convection was also re-developing over
  the center and increasing in areal extent.  The cyclone was centered
  about 125 nm south-southwest of Calcutta and moving northward at 6 kts.
  The MSW was estimated at 35 kts.  IMD also upgraded the system to a
  cyclonic storm, thereby implying winds of at least gale force.

     The center of TC-02B crossed the northeastern coast of India about
  85 km southeast of Calcutta at approximately 27/2300 UTC.  By 0600 UTC
  on the 28th the storm was a weakening depression centered about 65 km
  southwest of Dhaka, Bangladesh, tracking northeastward at 15 kts.
  Strong upper-level southwesterlies had pushed the convection to the
  northern Bangladesh border.

     There were media reports of casualties associated with this tropical
  cyclone in Bangladesh.   At least 30 persons were reported dead and
  200 fishermen were missing.   Winds reportedly reached 55 kts (likely
  in gusts, although this is not certain) and caused damage to homes,
  crops, trees and electrical lines.

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  SOUTHWEST INDIAN OCEAN (SWI) - South Indian Ocean West of Longitude 90E

  Activity for October:  No tropical cyclones

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  NORTHWEST AUSTRALIA/SOUTHEAST INDIAN OCEAN (AUW) - From 90E to 135E

  Activity for October:  No tropical cyclones

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  NORTHEAST AUSTRALIA/CORAL SEA (AUE) - From 135E to 160E

  Activity for October:  1 non-tropical (possibly hybrid) LOW

  NOTE!!!  This system will be briefly mentioned in Part 2 of the October
           summary.

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  SOUTH PACIFIC OCEAN (SPA) - South Pacific Ocean East of Longitude 160E

  Activity for October:  No tropical cyclones

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                              EXTRA FEATURE

     In order to shorten the amount of typing in preparing the narrative
  material, I have been in the habit of freely using abbreviations and
  acronyms.   I have tried to define most of these with the first usage
  in a given summary, but I may have missed one now and then.  Most of
  these are probably understood by a majority of readers but perhaps a
  few aren't clear to some.  To remedy this I developed a Glossary of
  Abbreviations and Acronyms which I first included in the July, 1998
  summary.  I don't normally include the Glossary in most months in
  order to help keep them from being too long.  If anyone would like to
  receive a copy of the Glossary, please e-mail me and I'll be happy
  to send them a copy.

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  AUTHOR'S NOTE:  This summary should be considered a very preliminary
  overview of the tropical cyclones that occur in each month. The cyclone
  tracks (provided separately) will generally be based upon operational
  warnings issued by the various tropical cyclone warning centers.  The
  information contained therein may differ somewhat from the tracking and
  intensity information obtained from a "best-track" file which is based
  on a detailed post-seasonal analysis of all available data. Information
  on where to find official "best-track" files from the various warning
  centers will be passed along from time to time.

    The track files are not being sent via e-mail.  They can be retrieved
  in the following manner:

       (a) FTP to:  hrd-type42.nhc.noaa.gov [140.90.176.206]
       (b) Login as: anonymous
       (c) For a password use your e-mail address
       (d) Go to "data" subdirectory (Type: cd data)
       (e) Set file type to ASCII (Type: ascii)
       (f) Transfer file (Type: get remote_file_name local_file_name )
           (The files will be named with an obvious nomenclature--using
           October as an example:   oct00.tracks)
       (g) To exit FTP, type: quit

    Both the summaries and the track files are standard text files
  created in DOS editor.  Download to disk and use a viewer such as
  Notepad or DOS editor to view the files.

     The first summary in this series covered the month of October,
  1997.   If anyone wishes to retrieve any of the previous summaries,
  they may be downloaded from the aforementioned FTP site at HRD.  The
  summary files are catalogued with the nomenclature:  oct00.sum, for
  example.

    Back issues can also be obtained from the following websites
  (courtesy of Michael Bath, Michael V. Padua, Tom Berg, Michael
  Pitt, and Rich Henning):

    <http://australiasevereweather.com/cyclones/>
    <http://www.typhoon2000.com> OR <http://www.geocities.com/taifun00/>
    <http://www.hurricanealley.net/>
    <http://www.qisfl.net/home/hurricanemike>
    <http://www.met.fsu.edu/gsc/Docs/Grads/henning/cyclones/>

     Another website where much information about tropical cyclones may
  be found is the website for the UK Meteorological Office.  Their site
  contains a lot of statistical information about tropical cyclones
  globally on a monthly basis.  The URL is:

    <http://www.met-office.gov.uk/sec2/sec2cyclone/sec2cyclone.html>


                   TROPICAL CYCLONE REPORTS AVAILABLE

     I have discovered that JTWC now has available on its website the
  complete Annual Tropical Cyclone Report (ATCR) for 1999 (1998-1999
  season for the Southern Hemisphere).  Also, ATCRs for earlier years
  are available also.

     The URL is:  <http://199.10.200.33/jtwc.html>

     Also, TPC/NHC has available on its webpage nice "technicolor"
  tracking charts for the 1999 Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific
  tropical cyclones; also, preliminary storm reports for all the 1999
  Atlantic and Eastern North Pacific cyclones are now available.  In
  addition storm reports are now available for some of the Atlantic
  tropical cyclones in 2000.

     The URL is:  <http://www.nhc.noaa.gov>

  Prepared by: Gary Padgett
  E-mail:  garyp at alaweb.com
  Phone:  334-222-5327 (nights & weekends) / 850-882-2594 (weekdays)

  ***********************************************************************
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Thunderstorms in Adelaide this morning.....26/01/01

Hi all,

Just been out watching a thundery shower move across north of Adelaide this 
morning. I was awaoken at 2:30am with aphone call saying there was storms 
about to cross the coast line, no sooner had I got the sleep out of my eyes 
and ran around the house looking for the videocamera and tripod it was 
almost ontop of us, several nice looking CC's came out of it, but it moved 
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Hey Ben,

That's a really nice anvil photo. Haven't seen one now for a few months.

Wx Today, 0C with snow showers and the chance of thunder snow (here in Ft
Collins). Vail's looking good for this weekend, with about a foot of powder
expected ;) It's funny to note that at 5000FT here, there is no snow pack,
unless there is an exceptional winter. Not like NZ where there'd be glaciers
everywhere. All because the air is so dry and the snow is so light that,
anything that falls evaporates before the next storm.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] New Lightning Photos


> Hi Everyone,
>
> The latest lightning photos are courtesy of Marty Pouwelse and Adam Cole -
> and once again there are some awesome shots
>
> A sunset Cb, and a few  <1km lightning strikes from Jan 17 this year
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/marty/170101_01.shtml
> 1 through to 6
>
> And also some lightning shots from the October 26 (2000) electrical storms
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/marty/261000_01.shtml
> 1 through to 9
>
> Adam Cole took some great lightning shots in late October last year
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/adam/281000_01.shtml
> 1 through to 4
>
> And also a series of photos showing a severe storm approaching Warwick on
> October 25, 2000
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/adam/251000_01.shtml
> 1 through to 11
> (it's a great series)
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:31:20 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've seen.

Written offlline, Friday 7:25am

Hi all,

I'm sure its all been said, but the storm we had last night was one of the
most electrically active I've ever seen. Whilst the hail was infrequent and
small, the intensity, closeness  and frequency of the lightning was amazing.

We were incredulous at one stage, when our neighbours came outside with
their one year old twins, standing in the middle of their yard, oblivious to
the danger. I was about to rush over and tell them to get inside when a bolt
literally hit over our street and scared the living daylights out of them
and forced them inside.

It was an absolutely amazing storm. I had a headache from the piercing
thunder, it was THAT loud.

Lindsay Pearce

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Wow....what a great storm.  But you probably should speak to them about
lightning safety.

Les

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:11:12 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've seen.

Heya Linsday.

I made it up that way to on a chase of sorts. Thanks to a phonecall from
Anthony Cornelius i was able to intercept the storm west of Katoomba. I was
actually on my way to Camden, hoping for some lighting, but after seeing
this redevelopment, and getting this piece of info from Anthony i picked up
a friend from Penrith and we shooted up the mountains. You are right in
saying this storm was electrically active. There were bold leaping over my
head at Blaxland and all the way up to Blackheath. I received 1-2cm hail,
which was infrequent but was hitting the car particularly hard. This storm
had an inflow tail or 'beaver' tail like none i have ever seen, stretching
probably 80 or 90 kms from the storm.
I suspect the most instense part of the storm was a little further west. I
observed 4 funnels from a lowering which was swirling pretty damn furiously.
However this was hidden by rain soon after. A massive sunlit CB finished off
my chase quite nicely.

dann

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> Written offlline, Friday 7:25am
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure its all been said, but the storm we had last night was one of the
> most electrically active I've ever seen. Whilst the hail was infrequent
and
> small, the intensity, closeness  and frequency of the lightning was
amazing.
>
> We were incredulous at one stage, when our neighbours came outside with
> their one year old twins, standing in the middle of their yard, oblivious
to
> the danger. I was about to rush over and tell them to get inside when a
bolt
> literally hit over our street and scared the living daylights out of them
> and forced them inside.
>
> It was an absolutely amazing storm. I had a headache from the piercing
> thunder, it was THAT loud.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
>
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:54:18 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Right Mover for Syd.

Hi Matthew,

I don't believe this was a supercell but a severe multicell complex. It is 
not the first time I have seen this happen.

Last time was 12th March 1999 and another time I can't seem to find it. 
Michael Bath chased it and it went along the ranges dropping hail to golf 
ball size at Blackheath a few years ago - couldn't find the date.

Unfortunately, yesterday the low level wind shear was too strong for the 
lower to mid-level wind shear. So this mean that the storms would develop 
rapidly along the flanking line not allowing any cells to last in maturity 
sufficiently to be maintained long enough for supercell characteristics. 
Matt Smith suggested he saw a cloud looking like a wall cloud and that is 
possible as I have one on video but it did not last more than 10 minutes 
under a developing cell. Despite this, it was a pretty mean cell with some 
strong gusts and also hail to 2cm in patches and very heavy rainfall at 
Lithgow.

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:30 PM 25/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi list,
>       Well, it seems that a nice cell has developed over the southern
>highlands and has only recently taken a nice sharp turn to the right.Hook
>echo evident.
>      Sydneys west look out!! Wentworthville i mean!!Hehehe
>A monster!!!!
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:00:12 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Anvilus Maximus

Hi Michael,

The reason I believe there was a large anvil is because of the relatively 
weak wind shear aloft. It was over the Bowral and spread all the way back 
towards and beyond Lithgow moving generally N. Please bear in mind the 
upper level winds were from the NW and it MOVED N as a system.

I really enjoyed this chase. And yes I thought I was going to bust on this 
one. 5:00pm and nothing happening. We knew there was something along the 
flanking line and I knew it was supposed to develop along the flanking line 
but I was still sitting on the edge of my seat. It dissipated beyond 
Lithgow....

What I did get wrong was the steering winds and I was wondering what the 
hell as was going on. I forgot or mistook the winds at 500hPa as being SW 
rather than NW. But the flanking line observation/prediction and movement 
saved us as well as the 500hPa winds being rather light.

I am all sunburnt.

Jimmy Deguara

At 05:25 PM 25/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Huge round anvil to the west of and over Wollongong, like a A-bomb cloud.
>Jet streams are obviously light, this storm must have push at the updraft
>area as this anvil has spread over a huge area of sky.
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:04:48 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] southwest slopes and riverina

Hi Danke Mitchell,

You have point there. I have not chased much south of Sydney because the 
conditions when I have been available have been better to the N. I think 
you guys have suffered in the past few years from unusually low storm 
situations.

However, I do recall in 1995 (there was a tornado down there) and before 
that some excellent storms. I am awaiting for the ideal situation to start 
chasing there. I do think they have significant tornadoes in the right 
conditions.

The country I suppose is clear and good for chasing although there are some 
hills. When the conditions are right, I will chase that area.

Jimmy Deguara

At 12:46 AM 25/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>hi all
>
>i am a newcomer to this group and take great interest in severe 
>thunderstorms - as you all do (heck who doesn't!) but i am really only a 
>novice in terms of understanding and forecasting the weather - most of my 
>severe weather interest usually revolves around tornadoes and supercells - 
>i have, in my findings found much and information (books, articles, 
>magazines etc)on the australian tornado and i have been following the 
>australian severe weather site since '96
>
>anyway, enough rambling. I would like to know what the severe weather 
>situation is for the southwest slopes and riverina  regions of NSW - 
>especially in terms of tornadoes - more specifically, i would like to know 
>what the frequency of tornadoes is for the area - and are such statistics 
>demographically affected or simply a case of different weather conditions 
>to that of say Tamworth.   i know that this region can get tornadoes - i 
>have read of tornado touchdowns in the wagga wagga area every year since 
>'97 and i have seen a filmed wall cloud pass over the same city, i have 
>also seen some massive and stunning supercells pass around my home town of 
>Junee.  why i say all this is because despite all this, i have not seen a 
>tornado yet no matter how hard i have tried and lately the whole region 
>has been very poor in delivering any types of thunderstorms, let alone 
>supercells.
>
>do any of you who stormchase, ever travel down these parts or do you all 
>see it as a "don't bother zone"? - please reply, i would like to know
>
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:13:16 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've seen.

Hi Dann,

Yes I say excellent storm. The Cg's and thunder were very impressive.

Just one note, I observed that "inflow band from the w end. I am wondering 
if it was a gust front feature and perhaps rolling as a roll cloud. I know 
I said inflow band to you Dann but the wind was going across the cloud not 
parallel to it..

Anyone like to comment.

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:11 AM 26/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Heya Linsday.
>
>I made it up that way to on a chase of sorts. Thanks to a phonecall from
>Anthony Cornelius i was able to intercept the storm west of Katoomba. I was
>actually on my way to Camden, hoping for some lighting, but after seeing
>this redevelopment, and getting this piece of info from Anthony i picked up
>a friend from Penrith and we shooted up the mountains. You are right in
>saying this storm was electrically active. There were bold leaping over my
>head at Blaxland and all the way up to Blackheath. I received 1-2cm hail,
>which was infrequent but was hitting the car particularly hard. This storm
>had an inflow tail or 'beaver' tail like none i have ever seen, stretching
>probably 80 or 90 kms from the storm.
>I suspect the most instense part of the storm was a little further west. I
>observed 4 funnels from a lowering which was swirling pretty damn furiously.
>However this was hidden by rain soon after. A massive sunlit CB finished off
>my chase quite nicely.
>
>dann
>
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
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>
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>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 7:31 AM
>Subject: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've seen.
>
>
> > Written offlline, Friday 7:25am
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm sure its all been said, but the storm we had last night was one of the
> > most electrically active I've ever seen. Whilst the hail was infrequent
>and
> > small, the intensity, closeness  and frequency of the lightning was
>amazing.
> >
> > We were incredulous at one stage, when our neighbours came outside with
> > their one year old twins, standing in the middle of their yard, oblivious
>to
> > the danger. I was about to rush over and tell them to get inside when a
>bolt
> > literally hit over our street and scared the living daylights out of them
> > and forced them inside.
> >
> > It was an absolutely amazing storm. I had a headache from the piercing
> > thunder, it was THAT loud.
> >
> > Lindsay Pearce
> >
> > Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> > Email: writer at lisp.com.au
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Subject: [aussie-weather] more snow in the forecast

A Storm system moving through Friday will bring some snow that may mix
with rain at times. That system will move out and leave a dry and cool
weekend with highs in the 30's. Snowfall will be 1"-3" from Terre Haute
to Northern Indiana and 1"-2" in Southern Indiana. 

FACTOID: Twenty-three years ago, we were in the Blizzard of '78. It
started 
on January 25th, 1978 and lasted until January 27th, 1978. 

TONIGHT: 
Clouds will arrive late guided by a Southern breeze and cold overall.
Temp:  18ºF 

FRIDAY: 
Snow developing and may mix with some rain. Temp:  35ºF 

FRIDAY NIGHT: 
Light snow ending with NW winds at 10-15 mph and cool. Temp:  24ºF 

SATURDAY: 
Becoming partly sunny with NW winds at 10-20 and cool. Temp:  34ºF 

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Storm Chase past couple of days

Hi all,

I have been away for the past couple of days hence the density of posts to 
the list.

I chose the area around the Oberon area hoping for activity to develop in 
that area but also as an experiment. I was aware of the strong cap that 
existed at around 500hPa, and in the case yesterday further down.

24th January 2001 provided us with some great structure pulse storms 
although more cells developed to the W and SW. I took fancy of a storm just 
east of our area in the unihabited areas. There is one dirt road that goes 
through the Wombeyan Caves area and this would have gone through the storm. 
But I didn't judge it as well worth the travels. Again I thought we would 
bust, but the predicted convergence right along the ranges by the models 
did help break the cap for some impressive structured cells but nothing 
severe. We had tiny hail, probably because of the elevation we were at 
~1200m. It was incredible to note that the cumulus began to develop and 
then broke the cap just before 5pm near Oberon and then cells took off 
along the same convergence line and then other areas. I found that 
experience worth while. So this meant we needed two triggers: convergence 
and the elevation of the Oberon area to break the cap and so late!!!

Storms moved from the N as expected based on the steering winds.


25th January 2001  I knew this day had less available moisture but didn't 
really seem too much different from the previous day but I suppose just 
that little difference meant the cap was not going to break. Well there was 
a trough line coming up the coast and this meant that it would break the 
cap if it came on time and it seemed it would arrive around 5pm or 
thereabouts...based on the models

I tell you what though, this day proved to be a patience tester and I know 
that some would have gone home on this day well before any activity would 
have taken off!!! The cap observed by the cumulus was strong in a few 
layers though so it meant that cumulus were trying to take off but 
wouldn't. It was not surprising that the storm took off along the trough 
line which acted as the trigger. However, as I said in the previous 
e-mails, I was wondering why the storm was drifting away to the E!!! My 
mistake based on 90 degree error in the steering winds - nothing much. I 
just read it wrong in my mind. However, there was supposed to be more 
developing along the line once some moisture would be pumped inland due to 
the enhancement of the SE. This did happen as mentioned earlier as the 
trough neared.

There was supposed to be (yet again) a convergence zone along the ranges 
which would team up with the trough too produce some severe weather around 
the ranges near Lithgow 150degree longitude line. We remained around Oberon 
because of the steering winds error and also it is a good lookout (one for 
the ASWA lookout database - 360 degrees view near the mobile tower). But I 
knew that we would eventually make it to Lithgow. Once I noticed the error 
we were on the way to Lithgow anyway based on what was happening.

As mentioned earlier, we did eventually run into some very strong winds and 
very heavy rainfall and some hail.

What topped off this chase was that earlier, we saw two dust devils at the 
Oberon Lookout within one minute. No camera or video available but one went 
straight over us and we experienced winds from all directions. Then it went 
towards the car and dragged the dust  and slammed all four doors which we 
left open.

I really enjoyed this chase and the motto is - don't give up on your plan.

Jimmy Deguara


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Blue Mtns Storm Inflow Band

Hi Jimmy,

I observed that thunderstorm from Blaxland and noticed it had a definite
inflow band. I took some video footage of this and will put some captures up
on the net when I get home from work this evening.

Matthew Piper

P.S. I saw a fantastic pulsating lightning strike yesterday. It looked like
it was in slow motion it was pulsating so slowly.  Unfortunately Murphys law
struck and I didnt get the damn thing on film


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
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Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've
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> Hi Dann,
>
> Yes I say excellent storm. The Cg's and thunder were very impressive.
>
> Just one note, I observed that "inflow band from the w end. I am wondering
> if it was a gust front feature and perhaps rolling as a roll cloud. I know
> I said inflow band to you Dann but the wind was going across the cloud not
> parallel to it..
>
> Anyone like to comment.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 09:11 AM 26/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
> >Heya Linsday.
> >
> >I made it up that way to on a chase of sorts. Thanks to a phonecall from
> >Anthony Cornelius i was able to intercept the storm west of Katoomba. I
was
> >actually on my way to Camden, hoping for some lighting, but after seeing
> >this redevelopment, and getting this piece of info from Anthony i picked
up
> >a friend from Penrith and we shooted up the mountains. You are right in
> >saying this storm was electrically active. There were bold leaping over
my
> >head at Blaxland and all the way up to Blackheath. I received 1-2cm hail,
> >which was infrequent but was hitting the car particularly hard. This
storm
> >had an inflow tail or 'beaver' tail like none i have ever seen,
stretching
> >probably 80 or 90 kms from the storm.
> >I suspect the most instense part of the storm was a little further west.
I
> >observed 4 funnels from a lowering which was swirling pretty damn
furiously.
> >However this was hidden by rain soon after. A massive sunlit CB finished
off
> >my chase quite nicely.
> >
> >dann
> >
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Lindsay Pearce" <writer at lisp.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
> >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 7:31 AM
> >Subject: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've
seen.
> >
> >
> > > Written offlline, Friday 7:25am
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm sure its all been said, but the storm we had last night was one of
the
> > > most electrically active I've ever seen. Whilst the hail was
infrequent
> >and
> > > small, the intensity, closeness  and frequency of the lightning was
> >amazing.
> > >
> > > We were incredulous at one stage, when our neighbours came outside
with
> > > their one year old twins, standing in the middle of their yard,
oblivious
> >to
> > > the danger. I was about to rush over and tell them to get inside when
a
> >bolt
> > > literally hit over our street and scared the living daylights out of
them
> > > and forced them inside.
> > >
> > > It was an absolutely amazing storm. I had a headache from the piercing
> > > thunder, it was THAT loud.
> > >
> > > Lindsay Pearce
> > >
> > > Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> > > Email: writer at lisp.com.au
> > >
> > >
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> NSW Australia
>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Blue Mtns Storm Inflow Band

Hi Matt and all,

I have it the "inflow band" on video as well. However, I am wondering that 
since the propagation was NW and N it may have been along and attached to 
the gust front. I thought inflow band first and it was a long one but now I 
believe it was a detached roll cloud as the SE wind was pushing inland. It 
was attached to the gust front and not an updraught tower. I recall when we 
in the meeting for ASWA in November that a similar photograph Jane had in 
Victoria. The Canadian present at the meeting also commented on the fact it 
was a roll cloud. One must be careful in labelling inflow bands which are 
attached to wall clouds.. IMO.

Jimmy Deguara

At 11:24 AM 26/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy,
>
>I observed that thunderstorm from Blaxland and noticed it had a definite
>inflow band. I took some video footage of this and will put some captures up
>on the net when I get home from work this evening.
>
>Matthew Piper
>
>P.S. I saw a fantastic pulsating lightning strike yesterday. It looked like
>it was in slow motion it was pulsating so slowly.  Unfortunately Murphys law
>struck and I didnt get the damn thing on film
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've
>seen.
>
>
> > Hi Dann,
> >
> > Yes I say excellent storm. The Cg's and thunder were very impressive.
> >
> > Just one note, I observed that "inflow band from the w end. I am wondering
> > if it was a gust front feature and perhaps rolling as a roll cloud. I know
> > I said inflow band to you Dann but the wind was going across the cloud not
> > parallel to it..
> >
> > Anyone like to comment.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 09:11 AM 26/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
> > >Heya Linsday.
> > >
> > >I made it up that way to on a chase of sorts. Thanks to a phonecall from
> > >Anthony Cornelius i was able to intercept the storm west of Katoomba. I
>was
> > >actually on my way to Camden, hoping for some lighting, but after seeing
> > >this redevelopment, and getting this piece of info from Anthony i picked
>up
> > >a friend from Penrith and we shooted up the mountains. You are right in
> > >saying this storm was electrically active. There were bold leaping over
>my
> > >head at Blaxland and all the way up to Blackheath. I received 1-2cm hail,
> > >which was infrequent but was hitting the car particularly hard. This
>storm
> > >had an inflow tail or 'beaver' tail like none i have ever seen,
>stretching
> > >probably 80 or 90 kms from the storm.
> > >I suspect the most instense part of the storm was a little further west.
>I
> > >observed 4 funnels from a lowering which was swirling pretty damn
>furiously.
> > >However this was hidden by rain soon after. A massive sunlit CB finished
>off
> > >my chase quite nicely.
> > >
> > >dann
> > >
> > >__________________________
> > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > >Blaxland, NSW
> > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Lindsay Pearce" <writer at lisp.com.au>
> > >To: <aussie-weather at egroups.com>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 7:31 AM
> > >Subject: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've
>seen.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Written offlline, Friday 7:25am
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure its all been said, but the storm we had last night was one of
>the
> > > > most electrically active I've ever seen. Whilst the hail was
>infrequent
> > >and
> > > > small, the intensity, closeness  and frequency of the lightning was
> > >amazing.
> > > >
> > > > We were incredulous at one stage, when our neighbours came outside
>with
> > > > their one year old twins, standing in the middle of their yard,
>oblivious
> > >to
> > > > the danger. I was about to rush over and tell them to get inside when
>a
> > >bolt
> > > > literally hit over our street and scared the living daylights out of
>them
> > > > and forced them inside.
> > > >
> > > > It was an absolutely amazing storm. I had a headache from the piercing
> > > > thunder, it was THAT loud.
> > > >
> > > > Lindsay Pearce
> > > >
> > > > Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> > > > Email: writer at lisp.com.au
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
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> >
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> >
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

I recorded 27mm of rain out of yesterday afternoon's thunderstorm.  
(about 10mm more than Kent Town) I'm situated about 3-4km south east 
of Kent Town.  Places further south east of me recorded about 36mm.  
Yesterday's thunderstorm was definately severe.  I know this sounds 
dramatic but from where I was the thunderstorm seemed like a 
supercell!  Maybe it was just an extremely strong thunderstorm and 
not quite a supercell.  At about 4:30pm right over my house 
convection was increasing dramatically,  cumulonimbus clouds 
everywhere!  To the north about 3km away the devlopment didn't look 
so severe.  Well I went outside (sheltered under the carport, 
excellent view of the whole thing)  The area where I am seemed to 
have the core of the storm right above me, the flanking lines had 
huge amounts of rotation to them, (they were about 4km apart and in a 
large circle looking state.  Amazing seeing all the lower level 
moisture being sucked into these areas.  The storm's cracking thunder 
and lightning arrived and then a huge downpour began.  The wind 
picked up very quickly.  Almost blowing the rain horizontally.  
Watching leaves and everything go flying by.  Gutters overflowling 
everywhere, road totally covered in water, the side of my house was 
covered in water from the overflowing gutters (like a waterfall) not 
the wind blowing the rain onto it!  It was amazing!  I saved the 
radar image of the storm and the red area (the core I presume) seemed 
to be right near the area where I live.  The storm then ended and 
seemed to move away to the south east over the hills.  I noticed that 
the impact of this storm in rain terms wasn't much at  Adelaide 
Airport or further north at Parafield.  So can anyone tell me if they 
think this may have been a supercell???  I am wondering if this was 
the same storm that hit Springton?


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>So can anyone tell me if they
>think this may have been a supercell???  I am wondering if this was
>the same storm that hit Springton?


I think you'll find, the way that Adelaide storm appeared out of no-where,
that it was kicked up by outflow from the Springton storm.  The radar loop
might be able to confirm this.  I've saved that loop at 6.00pm CST, but we
need earlier loops from about 1.00pm to stitch this all together.  Andrew,
did you save the Adelaid elocal loops yesterday??

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Adelaide radar pic at the time of the thunderstorm

I'm not sure if this attachment will work Phil but I have tried to attach 
the radar image (single only sorry) at the time of the Adelaide storm.  
Previous to this radar pic there was basically nothing in the Adelaide area 
especially around 3:00pm.  It all popped up very suddenly.  There was a 
large rather wide line of pink and red to the north east at about 3:00pm 
onwards, obviously that's where you were.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:02:46 +1030
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

Hi Phil and all,

Sorry didn't save anything from yesterday, was only at the computer a short 
time.

Andrew..


At 12:54 PM 1/26/01 +0930, you wrote:
> >So can anyone tell me if they
> >think this may have been a supercell???  I am wondering if this was
> >the same storm that hit Springton?
>
>
>I think you'll find, the way that Adelaide storm appeared out of no-where,
>that it was kicked up by outflow from the Springton storm.  The radar loop
>might be able to confirm this.  I've saved that loop at 6.00pm CST, but we
>need earlier loops from about 1.00pm to stitch this all together.  Andrew,
>did you save the Adelaid elocal loops yesterday??
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Grafton event- tornadic??

Hi all,

I was suspecting that when I went to Casino that it looked that the damage 
that was severe was very localised and along a path. I told Michael that I 
had no time to look but it would be worth looking more into. It seems word 
through a reporter who interviewed me on the day for the Good Weekend 
article has told me he was told from Rob Webb that there was a tornado at 
Casino.

Now I wouldn't be surprised. Would have been great if the BoM had told us 
directly....another way of sharing information. That is if it is true....


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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:36:09 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] One of the most violent thunder storms I've seen.

Hi all,

Another story (or two) on the great storm that hit the Upper Mountains
yesterday...

I have a young friend that works at the Hydro Majestic (a famous old hotel
in the upper mountains for those unfamiliar with it)
and he watched in amazment as a bolt hit a tree in Megalong Valley, went
straight to the bottom of it, and then exploded in brilliant red
sparks/flames, splitting the tree in half. He said it was one of the most
fantastic things he has ever seen. Bolt after bolt continued to strike the
ridges and lower valley. Suffice to say, he's taking the camera today. He's
not exactly sure of the spot where the tree is, but I'm going to try and
track the tree down, if we get a chance.

I might just add that this young fella is a very laid back type, not given
to exaggeration. He usually says about 20 words in an hour, so hearing him
speak at length about this storm was quite something.

Another fellow at tennis saw a bolt that he said continued to glow
brilliantly without fading for what seemed a very long time, unlike he said,
your usual lightning bolt. It just seemed to glow and glow forever, he said.
Any thoughts on that one? Thunderstorms aren't my forte. I said this to my
tennis buddies and that I would put there observations to the group. The
local Mitre 10 owner (another tennis player) said his computer system was
blown up, he was there until midnight fixing it all.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
PS: I have to say again, it was amazing here, 33.5 mm and small hail at
times but the thunder and lightning was insane. Non stop chip packet static
on the am radio, for half an hour or more. And yes Leslie, I will chat to my
neighbours about lightning safety etc.

Lindsay Pearce
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 17:16:53 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW STA 

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
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This advice cancels and replaces the advice issued earlier at 13:35.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] South Australian page update. For all South Australians.

Hi all,

This email is mainly for all the South Australians on the list, but also 
other people can look too.

I have Updated the South Australian Severe Weather page and now includes 
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Evening all,

Have put up images taken in Melbourne on the 24th Jan, & to the north of
Melbourne yesterday.

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/25_01_01.htm

Will include more info on the afternoon of the 24th over the next couple
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Read the administrative post from Yahoo! groups pasted below my email.

Yahoo has now taken over eGroups.    :-(

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HI all.. 

Please check this URL for pics from damage during high winds 
at Dubbo on the 06 th Jan.. 

Also a report from the Advance Energy Monthly Magazine.  

http://www.nia.net.au/~davidkc/dubbo06.html 

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Hi Everyone,

I have uploaded a pic of the inflow band which I saw yesterday. To 
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Sorry I am not sure how you do this.

Would be best to put on your web page I suppose.. But tell me how anyway 
Matt. Please don't all respond to this people - just allow Matt to do so as 
we will get cluttered e-mail about the same thing.

I have been looking into inflow bands and it seems I got one things wrong 
-- the inflow bands don't join to the wall clouds but to the cloud base 
above the wall clouds. Tail clouds however are attached to the base of wall 
clouds... see below

the definitions are from 
http://kitty.net.tripod.com/321/tornadoterminology.html

Tail Cloud
A low tail-shaped cloud extending outward from the northern quadrant of a 
wall cloud. Motions in the tail cloud are toward the wall cloud with rapid 
updraft at the junction of tail and wall cloud. This horizontal cloud is 
not a funnel or tornado.

Inflow bands
" Inflow Bands, or Feeder Bands as they are sometimes called, are bands of 
low clouds, arranged parallel to the low-level winds and moving into or 
toward a thunderstorm. They may indicate the strength of the inflow of 
moist air into the storm, and, hence, its potential for severity. Inflow 
bands that are curved in a manner suggesting cyclonic rotation can be a 
good indication of a mesocyclone. "


Roll cloud definition

"Roll Cloud
A relatively rare, low-level horizontal, tube-shaped accessory cloud 
completely detached from the cumulonimbus base. When present, it is located 
along the gust front and most frequently observed on the leading edge of a 
line of thunderstorms. The roll cloud will appear to be slowly "rolling" 
about its horizontal axis. Roll clouds are not and do not produce tornadoes "

We shall call this roll cloud or inflow band a "feature"

I still believe it was a roll cloud as this best fits the description 
especially if the "feature" was moving side ways with the gust front. 
Please understand that there were east to southeast winds along the coast 
and westerly winds inland around Lithgow and Oberon. So this means that 
since the cloud "feature" was aligned northeast, it was cross wind and NOT 
parallel to the inflow winds as is the case of inflow bands.

That's my view. I tell you what, it was the best roll cloud I have ever 
observed.

Jimmy Deguara

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>I have uploaded a pic of the inflow band which I saw yesterday. To
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>pic titled "25th Jan Inflow Band"
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:35:37 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Thunder Down Under 2000 Chase report finally up

Hi all,

For those of you who don't know what the Thunder Down Under chase was, it 
was a chase period spanning 3 weeks. Chasers joined at will and chased the 
storms of their choice and it was a great success.

Here is the report of my team was involved with: some things you may have 
seen, others you haven't. Please note Michael Bath will add radar imagery, 
satellite pictures and model data wherever possible. I will leave that to 
him so you can either wait a little longer or come back again.

It is divided into 3 episodes: 1, 2 and 3

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0011-08.htm  this is 
the first

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0011-09.htm

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0011-10.htm    they 
are all interlinked of course.


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from
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NSW Australia

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Dear list members (particularly aimed at NSW and ACT people or those who 
will be here at the times mentioned),

The next NSW ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday 10th February 2001.

The venue will be The Weather Company 7 West Street North Sydney please 
remember this phone number to call if you have problems getting in: 02 9955 
7704

Time: about 6:30pm (or when you can arrive or occasionally later if there 
is a storm chase on but I will keep people posted. Just check the e-mails 
on the day)

Members and visitors are welcome to attend. Remember the purpose of these 
meetings is to talk about significant weather. Everyone's experiences are 
important and don't feel what you have to say is not good enough.



The discussion for this meeting will be "Supercells of the past and 
Supercell characteristics".

Presenters Jimmy Deguara and Paul Graham

Paul Graham will give a brief run down on the 21st January event in 
conjunction with how it fits the supercell characteristics. Jimmy Deguara 
will be presenting some aspects of supercells and relate this to supercells 
observed in the past, particularly the Thunder Down Under Chase events. I 
think this will be an eye opener as much has been and is still being 
learned about the characteristics of supercells.

As usual bring some nibblies and drinks and also money for the pizza if you 
so wish. Just come and have fun, these meetings are very open and not very 
formal so it helps people relax and fit in very easily.

Jimmy Deguara







Just a reminder about the AMOS meeting which is next Wednesday at Macquarie 
University

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 05:16:28 +1100 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???


Hi Phil and other SA weather watches

I've put together a loop of Adelaide local images I saved, which goes from
1220CDT through to 1920CDT. Unfortunately, due to the BoM site problems
with it being so congested during that time, not all the radar images
could be obtained. Check out the loop here:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_01_25/Adelaidelocal1220_1920CDT.gif

Hope this helps.


Cheers

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Phil Bagust wrote:

> >So can anyone tell me if they
> >think this may have been a supercell???  I am wondering if this was
> >the same storm that hit Springton?
> 
> 
> I think you'll find, the way that Adelaide storm appeared out of no-where,
> that it was kicked up by outflow from the Springton storm.  The radar loop
> might be able to confirm this.  I've saved that loop at 6.00pm CST, but we
> need earlier loops from about 1.00pm to stitch this all together.  Andrew,
> did you save the Adelaid elocal loops yesterday??
> 
> Phil
> 

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Adelaide weather

Humidty in Adelaide seems very extreme this morning.  Cloud cover has been 
extensive with some odd light showers adding to the humidity.  Cloud is now 
breaking up which is great for possible severe thunderstorms this arvo.  Sea 
breeze seems to be playing havoc as well hopefully this will not wreck 
chances for t'storms.  Covection did occur at one stage in the middle 
layers, some lower level cloud has also showed signs of convection 
especially to the east and north of Adelaide.  BOM's forecast is modest with 
only a thundery shoer or two expected hopefully this will be wrong, I will 
be interested in the 11:30am forecast soon.  Obviously further east and 
north thunderstorms are far more likely but I hope they develop here too.  
Weather Co. does mention storms becoming more widespread this arvo and with 
humidity so high this does not suprise me.  Hope to see an STA out for SA 
later on.


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>Subject: [aussie-weather] Huge temp range in Melbourne
>Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:01:32 +1100
>
>Hey all
>
>There is a massive temperature range across Melbourne suburbs atm. At the
>airport, north of the city, it is 36.1 at 9.40am, the inversion broke there
>about 8am, in the city it's about 30 with light winds, slightly southerly,
>and in the southern suburbs it's in the low 20's with a moderate southerly.
>Going to be a war between the northerly and seabreeze today, with some
>northern suburbs looking at 40+ while others struggle in the 20's. At my
>place I am near the border, the temp and wind has increased and decreased
>over the last hour. Atm though the southerly seem to have taken control at
>my place):
>
>Cloud cover is patchy.
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

>Hi Phil and other SA weather watches
>
>I've put together a loop of Adelaide local images I saved, which goes from
>1220CDT through to 1920CDT. Unfortunately, due to the BoM site problems
>with it being so congested during that time, not all the radar images
>could be obtained. Check out the loop here:
>
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_01_25/Adelaidelocal1220_192
>0CDT.gif
>
>Hope this helps.


Thanks robert

BTW, since a reply of mine got lost in the system yesterday, I'll try
again.  Re: Supercells in Adelaide on Thursday.  Thunderday191 - I think
not.  Did it demonstrate large scale rotation or a persistent wall cloud?
Was the storm exeptionally long lived [several hours]?  Did it move to the
right or left of the mean wind?  I think because the answer to all 3 is
probably no, so that storm was possibly a pulse severe[ish] storm.  Just
look at the recent discussion about that nasty storm near Oberon in NSW.
Great storm, but seemingly not a supercell. [comments about pulse severe
storms and how they can briefly exhibit all manner of nasty features from
the eastern states?]  The Springton storm again, while quite nasty, didn't
really demonstrate supercellular charateristics - i'd say, based on the way
it was propagating, it was maybe part of a multicell line.  I'd be very
careful about call ing any storm near Adelaide a supercell without clear
reports of tornados and or large hail etc....

My 0.02c [+GST]

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

>>Hi Phil and other SA weather watches
>>
>>I've put together a loop of Adelaide local images I saved, which goes from
>>1220CDT through to 1920CDT. Unfortunately, due to the BoM site problems
>>with it being so congested during that time, not all the radar images
>>could be obtained. Check out the loop here:
>>
>>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_01_25/Adelaidelocal1220_19
>>2
>>0CDT.gif
>>
>>Hope this helps.


Well,

That is interesting.  After seeing the loop. the Springton storm [starting
to the north east of the Williamstown/Birdwood area for those unfamiliar
with Adelaide geography] seems to be propagating way to the right of the
mean wind [a northerly on that day].  I believe a multicell line will
propagate somewhat to the right of the mean wind, or are we actually
dealing with a supercell?

Any comments from the eastern states [who have more experience with this
sort of thing]????

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Hi Phil,

I thought that looking at the radar was weird. It took me some time but I 
agree with you: it looks like a multicell complex however it seems to have 
a squall line structure as well early on. My observation from radar is that 
the mean level steering wind seems to be NW rather than N.

My attention seems to focus on the slower moving large cell near Murray 
Bridge. I am more inclined to say that it seems more likely to be a 
supercell at least briefly but there seems to be some images missing which 
doesn't help. I think it then becomes a multicell complex or it seems that 
way. Did anyone photgraph the Murray Bridge storm from a distance?

Anyway, it is great to see you guys have got some much needed action. No 
doubt, there would have been some great pictures.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:07 AM 27/01/01 +0930, you wrote:
> >>Hi Phil and other SA weather watches
> >>
> >>I've put together a loop of Adelaide local images I saved, which goes from
> >>1220CDT through to 1920CDT. Unfortunately, due to the BoM site problems
> >>with it being so congested during that time, not all the radar images
> >>could be obtained. Check out the loop here:
> >>
> >>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_01_25/Adelaidelocal1 
> 220_19
> >>2
> >>0CDT.gif
> >>
> >>Hope this helps.
>
>
>Well,
>
>That is interesting.  After seeing the loop. the Springton storm [starting
>to the north east of the Williamstown/Birdwood area for those unfamiliar
>with Adelaide geography] seems to be propagating way to the right of the
>mean wind [a northerly on that day].  I believe a multicell line will
>propagate somewhat to the right of the mean wind, or are we actually
>dealing with a supercell?
>
>Any comments from the eastern states [who have more experience with this
>sort of thing]????
>
>Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Link for Blue Mtns Inflow Band Pic

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>Hi Phil,
>
>I thought that looking at the radar was weird. It took me some time but I
>agree with you: it looks like a multicell complex however it seems to have
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Yep.  And yes, there do seem to be some missing frames as well.  Pity.

Jimmy, just read your TDU chase report.  Very entertaining.  But there's
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Hi all,

I wasn't going to comment on this storm system, basically because I was not 
right under it, but by looking at the radar images and my own video of the 
storm I will ad my own personal thoughts.

Although the cell looked quite large it did have several multicell 
features, one being there was more than one storm in the cluster at the 
time. If I had a capture card I could show you this. There was a few 
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Storms were relatively short lived storms only lasting for an hour or so, 
but due to other cells developing along the same line and quite close to 
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cells to the South over the suburban areas of Adelaide were basically fed 
from the main system, producing quite warm winds which I gather from 
previous observations on the 2nd and 4th of January, these winds were 
aiding in the development of these storms. I could not see any rotation at 
all from the large cell, when I put the video into fastforward (>>). The 
only thing I did notice was the large cell developed quite quickly, then 
basically turned into a rain event with only the occasional lightning 
strike from it.

Do you think due to the terrain in that area, being hilly, there would be 
some Orographic lifting involved? While perched on top of wynn vale lookout 
to the east of Parafield we were in a constant Southerly wind which was 
basically going straight along the hill line to the larger storm, this wind 
might have given the orographic lift the storm needed to become quite large.

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Hi,

I've been on your list for a long time, but I'm just a lurker. I don't know
anything about the weather so I don't contribute.

I've noticed there hasn't been as much talk about Brisbane weather of late -
perhaps because we haven't had much to talk about :-)

I've been hanging out for a decent storm for awhile now and noticed there
had been one forcasted for this afternoon. But today when I've looked at the
BOM, they aren't forecasting one.

Is there any chance of one today or tomorrow?

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Hi all,

At the moment looks like cells are popping up all over the place - 3:57pm 
tracker shows fairly isolated lightning strikes throughout Victoria and NSW, 
and more intense stuff in SA and outback Qld upwards to the gulf. The only 
stand out storm though, based on the lightning tracker (and radar) is a 
monster (in terms of area of red and pink) about 40km due west of 
Wollongong. Quite huge, quite isolated and a warning is out for it. Seems to 
be moving slowly towards the NE. Latest scan (5:20UTC) suggested a split at 
first glance although i suspect a distinct new updraft has pushed up on the 
NW flank - this new cell has immediately gone into the red.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW STA

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
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Issued at 1416 on Saturday the 27th of January 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Tablelands 
Central Tablelands, 
Hunter, 
Metropolitan west of a line from Terrey Hills to Ryde to Bankstown to
Campbelltown, 
Mid-north Coast inland from the Pacific Highway

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area for this afternoon.
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Hi

>Morning,
>is it really such a big deal Carl? My (limited) understanding of
>cookies is that they only contain browser identification settings.
>Many large websites use cookies these days in order to provide
>personalised features and to streamline the idenification process. I
>don't believe the cookie is capable of obtaining any information
>external to the browser itself - can anyone confirm this? So worst
>case it can only pass on what you are prepared to put in
>your "internet options" (I assume).

I do not know what info they get, but in theory any cookie on your HDD can
get whatever info is on it and send it back to them. It is entirely up to
the cookie writer what info it gets and sends back. There is nothing to
stop them scanning your HDD to see what you have installed, or to send the
contents of any file to them, or even the entire contents of your HDD if
desired. In many ways cookies are are like computer viruses.

The new Eudora Pro also uses similar technology, in this case to scan your
mailboxes and send them the subject line and email addresses of all your
incoming and outgoing emails everytime you go online for the purposes of
onselling demographic information to advertisers. If you buy Eudora Pro you
are also paying to have your privacy invaded and get heaps of junk email.
Many more software companies are starting to behave this way now.

This kind of disregard for privacy is becoming increasingly common as the
unscrupulous realise there is big bucks in it they can sell advertising
companies personal information.

>I don't see the onselling of personal details important because you
>don't need to reveal any personal information to use the service. You
>could register as Nostradamus and the system will accept you. The
>truly paranoid can create any fake identity they like and use the
>service in total security.

Whilst you can indeed tell pork pies whilst registering, you cannot fudge
your email address - how many MB per week of unsolicited advertising do you
want coming through your email?

>Yahoo's claim to IP over the actual posts is a little more concerning
>and I wonder to what extent they intend to use this. For example,
>will Yahoo publish a storm chasing book based soley on information
>gleaned from the aussie-weather mailing list? I don't think so.
>However, it is worth deciding for ourselves individually whether we
>are giving up too much to obtain this service. Remembering of course
>the alternatives aren't much more appealing.

There is nothing to stop them putting out a book on storm chasing or
anything else using info from any of their lists - whether they actually do
so or not is simply a matter of whether there is any money in it or not,
and concievably a chapter on storm chasing could be a commercially viable
inclusion in a book on severe weather gleaned entirely from other peoples
work. You have absolutely no say in the matter as to how or if your
material is used. This is my main objection.

The old aussie-weather at world.std.com has none of these issues.

It is my opinion that a move back to world.std is a far safer option, and
as yahoo continues to consume all it comes in contact with, service quality
and speed will undoubtably suffer.

<snip repeat of my earlier post>

Regards,
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As far as I knew, a cookie only sits on your HD until you go back to the
page that it came from, then IE or Netscape looks to see if you have a
cookie from that page, if you do it uses the settings from the cookie to
load the page using any settings you used last time.  For example, you visit
a page and go to an article of interest, the page puts a cookie on your HD
and the next time you go to the same page, instead of having to go through
the main page, the cookie takes you straight to the last page you read.

The thing with Eudora isn't a cookie, it is part of the program itself, much
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As far as I knew, cookies cannot send any details of anything on your
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> Hi
>
> >Morning,
> >is it really such a big deal Carl? My (limited) understanding of
> >cookies is that they only contain browser identification settings.
> >Many large websites use cookies these days in order to provide
> >personalised features and to streamline the idenification process. I
> >don't believe the cookie is capable of obtaining any information
> >external to the browser itself - can anyone confirm this? So worst
> >case it can only pass on what you are prepared to put in
> >your "internet options" (I assume).
>
> I do not know what info they get, but in theory any cookie on your HDD can
> get whatever info is on it and send it back to them. It is entirely up to
> the cookie writer what info it gets and sends back. There is nothing to
> stop them scanning your HDD to see what you have installed, or to send the
> contents of any file to them, or even the entire contents of your HDD if
> desired. In many ways cookies are are like computer viruses.
>
> The new Eudora Pro also uses similar technology, in this case to scan your
> mailboxes and send them the subject line and email addresses of all your
> incoming and outgoing emails everytime you go online for the purposes of
> onselling demographic information to advertisers. If you buy Eudora Pro
you
> are also paying to have your privacy invaded and get heaps of junk email.
> Many more software companies are starting to behave this way now.
>
> This kind of disregard for privacy is becoming increasingly common as the
> unscrupulous realise there is big bucks in it they can sell advertising
> companies personal information.
>
> >I don't see the onselling of personal details important because you
> >don't need to reveal any personal information to use the service. You
> >could register as Nostradamus and the system will accept you. The
> >truly paranoid can create any fake identity they like and use the
> >service in total security.
>
> Whilst you can indeed tell pork pies whilst registering, you cannot fudge
> your email address - how many MB per week of unsolicited advertising do
you
> want coming through your email?
>
> >Yahoo's claim to IP over the actual posts is a little more concerning
> >and I wonder to what extent they intend to use this. For example,
> >will Yahoo publish a storm chasing book based soley on information
> >gleaned from the aussie-weather mailing list? I don't think so.
> >However, it is worth deciding for ourselves individually whether we
> >are giving up too much to obtain this service. Remembering of course
> >the alternatives aren't much more appealing.
>
> There is nothing to stop them putting out a book on storm chasing or
> anything else using info from any of their lists - whether they actually
do
> so or not is simply a matter of whether there is any money in it or not,
> and concievably a chapter on storm chasing could be a commercially viable
> inclusion in a book on severe weather gleaned entirely from other peoples
> work. You have absolutely no say in the matter as to how or if your
> material is used. This is my main objection.
>
> The old aussie-weather at world.std.com has none of these issues.
>
> It is my opinion that a move back to world.std is a far safer option, and
> as yahoo continues to consume all it comes in contact with, service
quality
> and speed will undoubtably suffer.
>
> <snip repeat of my earlier post>
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
>
>
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>
>
>


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Carl,
one point that has been missed here, is also the fact that Yahoo is one of
the providers that is considering charging users to use it's services.  This
fact has become a hidden adjenda in it's take over of other services.

Yes new software producers are developing products that can read your HDD
and send information back for research purposes and yes for advertising
purposes.  As with anything, it is an individual's choice as to whether they
purchase the product or obtain a third product that will block this action.
However, having said that we have choices, by making products that access
personal information within your HDD, that compromises most privacy acts.

It is a difficult choice.  I for one do not want my information passed on
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Storms today

Hi Tessa.

>Hi,
>
>I've been on your list for a long time, but I'm just a lurker. I don't know
>anything about the weather so I don't contribute.
>
>I've noticed there hasn't been as much talk about Brisbane weather of late -
>perhaps because we haven't had much to talk about :-)
>
>I've been hanging out for a decent storm for awhile now and noticed there
>had been one forcasted for this afternoon. But today when I've looked at the
>BOM, they aren't forecasting one.
>
>Is there any chance of one today or tomorrow?
>
>Thanks
>Tessa in Redcliffe

If you look at the Brisbane radar at
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR503.shtml, you can see storms
developing in the area between Kyogle and Warwick. Some of this activity
seems to be moving NE towards Beaudesert, so there it is likely the BoM
will issue a STA for SE Qld. soon if this development continues.

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<DIV>well there has been some activity in the Hunter at the moment....some rain 
and thunder in Cessnock, but mainly towards Broke and Singleton way....as 
usual.&nbsp; No electrical activity to speak of, but that could happen 
later.</DIV>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Strainght line wind damage in Victoria.

Hi all,

I have just been speaking to my parents who have just arrived home after a 
trip into Victoria. They were travelling along the Borung Hwy between 
Warracknabeal and Dimboola when they came across some storm damage. A huge 
1.5 meter plus fully mature living gum tree had been snapped near the base 
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Anyway just thought I would let everyone know, btw the storm would have 
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Hi Carl,

I advised certain persons some time back that I considered the eGroups
requirements to be in violation of Oz privacy laws and hence refused to
join the new list.  All any list should require is your email address
which should be kept totally confidential and not used for any other
purpose.  No location, age, or any other information should be required,
and certainly not on the basis that it may be used to spam you with 
unwanted advertising.

Just to keep this weather related, looks like a really decent t'storm 
is now brewing to the SW of Brissy.

Regards,
John.
>snip

Hi All.

Read the administrative post from Yahoo! groups pasted below my email.

Yahoo has now taken over eGroups.    :-(

For confirmation that this is not a hoax look at the new addresses in the
headers:
eg Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com.

For some reason, this information has not been posted on the aussie-weather
list yet even though it effects all of you (I recieved it on another list).

I apologise for reposting if it has been posted but I did not recieve it -
this sometimes happens with eGroups list emails.

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Yahoo claims the legal right to republish anything posted through any of
their lists any time they want in whatever manner they want without need to
consult with or seek permission from the original author by right of
providing the publishing avenue - ie the list.

They also require personal information from you in order for you to get a
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I will certainly not be logging on to their web-based services as I
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Sydney Basin Storms

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heyas, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7:45pm</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well today has been quite interesting in Western 
Sydney. A line of storms moved off the Blue Mountains at about 5:30pm bringing 
heavy falls here (North of Penrith). The storms were pretty feature-less in 
terms of cloud formations, but the falls and hail have been great. We had 1cm 
hail for about 5 minutes here and since&nbsp;5:30pm have had 48mm. The lighting 
was fairly frequent with&nbsp;the strikes being very fibrous (lots of littler 
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 20:10:17 +1000
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From: Sel Kerans <skerans at mail.cth.com.au>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: IMPORTANT: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
  ????#### at  at  at  at ****!!!!
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Hello all,

I am not on the egroups list yet and would also prefer to stay with what we
have on the aus-wx list that seems to be serving us just fine still. 

Sel Kerans

At 16:02 27/01/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Carl,
>
>I advised certain persons some time back that I considered the eGroups
>requirements to be in violation of Oz privacy laws and hence refused to
>join the new list.  All any list should require is your email address
>which should be kept totally confidential and not used for any other
>purpose.  No location, age, or any other information should be required,
>and certainly not on the basis that it may be used to spam you with 
>unwanted advertising.
>
>Just to keep this weather related, looks like a really decent t'storm 
>is now brewing to the SW of Brissy.
>
>Regards,
>John.
>>snip
>
>Hi All.
>
>Read the administrative post from Yahoo! groups pasted below my email.
>
>Yahoo has now taken over eGroups.    :-(
>
>For confirmation that this is not a hoax look at the new addresses in the
>headers:
>eg Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com.
>
>For some reason, this information has not been posted on the aussie-weather
>list yet even though it effects all of you (I recieved it on another list).
>
>I apologise for reposting if it has been posted but I did not recieve it -
>this sometimes happens with eGroups list emails.
>
>IMPORTANT NOTE:
>
>Yahoo claims the legal right to republish anything posted through any of
>their lists any time they want in whatever manner they want without need to
>consult with or seek permission from the original author by right of
>providing the publishing avenue - ie the list.
>
>They also require personal information from you in order for you to get a
>Yahoo ID so you can access the web based archives, chat rooms, etc., and
>they claim the right to use any information so gathered in any way they see
>fit, including on-selling it to anyone.
>
>Web based access will also require you to accept a cookie when you log on
>that sends information from your HDD back to them - you have no way of
>knowing what they have gathered from your computer - and they also claim
>the right to use any information so gathered in whatever way they choose.
>
>If you wish to find out for yourself go and wade through the rather lengthy
>Yahoo! Terms Of Service Agreement and READ IT VERY CAREFULLY.
>
>I will certainly not be logging on to their web-based services as I
>consider the Yahoo policies on these issues to be highly unethical.
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Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 4:20 AM
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> Hi All.
>
> Read the administrative post from Yahoo! groups pasted below my email.
>
> Yahoo has now taken over eGroups.    :-(
>
> For confirmation that this is not a hoax look at the new addresses in the
> headers:
> eg Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com.
>
> For some reason, this information has not been posted on the
aussie-weather
> list yet even though it effects all of you (I recieved it on another
list).
>
> I apologise for reposting if it has been posted but I did not recieve it -
> this sometimes happens with eGroups list emails.
>
> IMPORTANT NOTE:
>
> Yahoo claims the legal right to republish anything posted through any of
> their lists any time they want in whatever manner they want without need
to
> consult with or seek permission from the original author by right of
> providing the publishing avenue - ie the list.
>
> They also require personal information from you in order for you to get a
> Yahoo ID so you can access the web based archives, chat rooms, etc., and
> they claim the right to use any information so gathered in any way they
see
> fit, including on-selling it to anyone.
>
> Web based access will also require you to accept a cookie when you log on
> that sends information from your HDD back to them - you have no way of
> knowing what they have gathered from your computer - and they also claim
> the right to use any information so gathered in whatever way they choose.
>
> If you wish to find out for yourself go and wade through the rather
lengthy
> Yahoo! Terms Of Service Agreement and READ IT VERY CAREFULLY.
>
> I will certainly not be logging on to their web-based services as I
> consider the Yahoo policies on these issues to be highly unethical.
>
> Meanwhile, the following email addresses will help you manage your account
> without logging on to the website if you do not wish to do so until you
> make up your minds as to where you stand....
>

Hi Carl, Everybody,

I agree with you about the cookies left on your hdd....they can be used for
spam, etc & now you HAVE to have a yahoo ID to get in........NO WAY!!!
Even though I have a yahoo email a.d, why should anyone else get one just to
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Time for me to unsubscribe from the egroups/yahoo list.....
John from Ballina
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I must admit the irony of the new group was partially to do with lost/late
posts. The irony being that this never happened to me in isolation on
AUS-WX, yet this new Egroups decided to not bother sending 3 days of posts
last  week.



> Hi All.
>
> Read the administrative post from Yahoo! groups pasted below my email.
>
> Yahoo has now taken over eGroups.    :-(
>
> For confirmation that this is not a hoax look at the new addresses in the
> headers:
> eg Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com.
>
> For some reason, this information has not been posted on the
aussie-weather
> list yet even though it effects all of you (I recieved it on another
list).
>
> I apologise for reposting if it has been posted but I did not recieve it -
> this sometimes happens with eGroups list emails.
>
> IMPORTANT NOTE:
>
> Yahoo claims the legal right to republish anything posted through any of
> their lists any time they want in whatever manner they want without need
to
> consult with or seek permission from the original author by right of
> providing the publishing avenue - ie the list.
>
> They also require personal information from you in order for you to get a
> Yahoo ID so you can access the web based archives, chat rooms, etc., and
> they claim the right to use any information so gathered in any way they
see
> fit, including on-selling it to anyone.
>
> Web based access will also require you to accept a cookie when you log on
> that sends information from your HDD back to them - you have no way of
> knowing what they have gathered from your computer - and they also claim
> the right to use any information so gathered in whatever way they choose.
>
> If you wish to find out for yourself go and wade through the rather
lengthy
> Yahoo! Terms Of Service Agreement and READ IT VERY CAREFULLY.
>
> I will certainly not be logging on to their web-based services as I
> consider the Yahoo policies on these issues to be highly unethical.
>
> Meanwhile, the following email addresses will help you manage your account
> without logging on to the website if you do not wish to do so until you
> make up your minds as to where you stand....
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
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>
> You can use these commands on any former eGroups list by substituting the
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>  at egroups.com.
>
> Perhaps aussie-weather ADMIN could see fit to consider modifying the
footer
> on all list emails to give you these options.
>
> I think the rush to get on to eGroups was ill considered in the first
place
> and seemed to be something initiated by a few without due consideration of
> all the issues raised, and most just followed along like sheep.
>
> Whilst the slightly faster service is undoubtably desirable in some
> situations it now comes with highly undesirable strings attached.
>
> I am seriously considering unsubscribing from all former eGroups lists at
> this moment. I am torn between wanting to be in communication on several
> lists, whilst at the same time I want nothing to do with unethical
> businesses such as Yahoo.........
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
> >*******************************************
> >Subject: [eGs] Yahoo! Groups is Coming
> >Date:     Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:23:03 -0800
> >
> >
> >When: Jan 25th 7:15pm PST (-0800 GMT)
> >
> >Just a heads up to all of our friends and customers out there, we're
> >starting work on the actual transition from eGroups to Yahoo! Groups.
> >Hopefully, this transition will be a smooth one, with a minimum of down
> >time.  Current engineering estimate for down time is in the 15 minute
> >range around 9pm (PST), but you know what they say about engineering
> >estimates...
> >
> >For more information, and up-to-date news regarding this transition,
> >keep your eyes peeled at this page:
> >
> >Before the site changes over:
> >http://beta.groups.yahoo.com/local/news.html
> >
> >After the site changes over:
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/local/news.html
> >
> >For help on the Yahoo! Groups site:
> >http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups
> >
> >In particular:
> >- How do I use the Conversion Wizard?
> >  http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/groups-37.html
> >- What does it mean to convert my account:
> >  http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/groups-34.html
> >
> >If you haven't yet, you can check out what the site will be at
> >http://beta.groups.yahoo.com/
> >
> >Onward!
> >
> >Brandon
> >--
> >  Yahoo! Groups Engineering
>
>
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:39:18 +1100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Everyone,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Further to Daniels e-mail I have received 56mm at 
Blaxland from this line of storms. Unfortunately I dont have any rainfall rate 
data available as the battery backup on my weatherstation failed :( 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the way home from work I encountered torrential 
rain all the way from Blacktown to Emu Plains. The rain was that heavy in parts 
that the storm water drains were close to overflowing. Some of them looked like 
white water rapids there was that much water in them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matthew Piper</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heyas, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>7:45pm</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well today has been quite interesting in Western 
  Sydney. A line of storms moved off the Blue Mountains at about 5:30pm bringing 
  heavy falls here (North of Penrith). The storms were pretty feature-less in 
  terms of cloud formations, but the falls and hail have been great. We had 1cm 
  hail for about 5 minutes here and since&nbsp;5:30pm have had 48mm. The 
  lighting was fairly frequent with&nbsp;the strikes being very fibrous (lots of 
  littler streemers off the main strike)&nbsp;Seems to be more storms developing 
  west&nbsp;and the system is currently hitting the CBD. Some nice rainfalls 
  finally hitting the Sydney Basin. </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GMSD looks great too!</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 21:39:01 +1100
From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Hi Sel,

except that you are missing out on 99% of the traffic - there have been hundreds
of messages on the egroups / yahoo list over the past few days.....

Jane

Sel Kerans wrote:

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Hi all,

I am not having a go at the BoM but it goes to show that you have to submit 
your spotter cards or your reports may not be included in the significant 
weather...

http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/services_policy/public/sigwxsum/sigw1100.shtml

My Coffs supercell (with inflow band, wall clouds, funnel cloud and 
possible tornado) is not included except for the 2.5cm hail at Corindi 
Beach on the 5th November 2000

The funnel cloud (possible tornado) at Mudgee during the night on the 26th 
September 2000 is also not included.

Oh well. It looks as though the reports that are phoned in may be lost and 
therefore no included, so get your spotter cards in. In my case, I think I 
will let the Bureau staff read the reports off the web site. I think that 
is extremely important as it is far more detailed and has information that 
simply cannot fit on a spotter card.

Cheers

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Dear Group,
                   Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of the
window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck so i
did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the bang
was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why it
happens ?

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:41:51 +1100
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Hi Phil,

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg

That is a good question. I might need confirmation of Maccas video footage 
for that. Whilst they were coming from near Singleton, they observed about 
this time a possible tornado (tornado or gustnado). Paul Graham suggests 
there was a hook echo possible around this time. The storm after this 
becomes outflow dominated.

At the time however, I thought that it was more scud. But in the vertical 
position??? There was rotation observed clearly in the cloud above it at 
the time. Now earlier in the history of that storm as mentioned in the 
article, the funnel cloud observed was quite prominent.

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd09.jpg   3pm

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd10.jpg   3:04pm

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd11.jpg   3:04pm

In fact it is mentioned that a wall cloud that changes rapidly is a very 
dangerous sign.

This feature you mentioned is linked to the same base of the mesocyclone 
but occurred later. Now the time I have of the white column of scud is 
approx 3:50pm. Maccas video footage of the possible tornado as just before 
4pm which matches closely to this. I hope Macca can confirm this.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:57 AM 27/01/01 +0930, you wrote:
> >Hi Phil,
> >
> >I thought that looking at the radar was weird. It took me some time but I
> >agree with you: it looks like a multicell complex however it seems to have
> >a squall line structure as well early on. My observation from radar is that
> >the mean level steering wind seems to be NW rather than N.
>
>
>Yep.  And yes, there do seem to be some missing frames as well.  Pity.
>
>Jimmy, just read your TDU chase report.  Very entertaining.  But there's
>one question I've been meaning to ask you.  What is going on in image
>1206jd23.jpg?
>Is this a microburst, a funnel, a gustnado or what?  It's very spectacular
>whatever it is.........
>
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Dean,

you've experienced one of the best warning signals Mother Nature will ever give
you - if you feel that - DUCK ****IMMEDIATELY**** if you can't dive indoors or
into a car......it'll keep you alive.

Jane

Dean McWhinney wrote:

> Dear Group,
>                    Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
> Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
> going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of the
> window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
> BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck so i
> did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the bang
> was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why it
> happens ?
>
> Regards DEANO
>
>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Lightning And Hair !

Dean,

Basically, the thunderstorm becomes charged such that there are a whole
lot of "little negatives (-ves)" at the bottom of the cloud (the reasons
for this are still not 100% clear). Then in turn, all the little +ves
are attracted from the surrounding ground electromagnetically. Then,
this concentration gets stronger until like the snapping of a rubber
band the charge is evened out in the form of a CG (this happens over and
over).

So, you as part of the ground become charged and get magnetically sucked
towards the -ves in the cloud (ie. hair points towards the cloud) and
are lucky that you were not the medium for the evening out process!

Andrew.


Dean McWhinney wrote:
> 
> Dear Group,
>                    Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
> Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
> going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of the
> window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
> BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck so i
> did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the bang
> was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why it
> happens ?
> 
> Regards DEANO
> 
> 
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Evening all,

Have finally got myself vaguely organised and put the images of
Victorian weather onto one page....

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/vicwx.htm

Jane

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Lightning And Hair !

At 22:32 27/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Dear Group,
>                   Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
>Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
>going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of the
>window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
>BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck so i
>did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the bang
>was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why it
>happens ?
>
>Regards DEANO
>

I had a similar experience to that in England in 1993 when i was observing
a thunderstorm along the banks of the Thames near Pangbourne in England. 
I did feel that my hair 'rose to the occasion' and rushed inside.
Not long after a lightning bolt came down about 200 metres from me and
struck a tree in Basildon Park, not far away from where I was standing. 
Poor tree was rather scorched but did not catch fire,
The thunder was so loud my ears rang.
That was the only time that lightning has given me a bit of a scare.

John Gaul
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Lightning And Hair !

> you've experienced one of the best warning signals Mother Nature 
will ever give
> you - if you feel that - DUCK ****IMMEDIATELY**** if you can't dive 
indoors or
> into a car......it'll keep you alive.

Remember to keep your feet together when you crouch down.

I read a case study once at uni where scientists were trying to 
determine why some cows were dying in a field where there was a large 
steel high tension power structure. Originally it was thought that 
there was a link to EMF radiation, but....

They came to this conclusion,

If the cows were facing directly towards or away from the structure 
at a close distance and a cg hit it, due to the distance between the 
forward and hind legs and the dispersion of electricity through the 
structure and ground they found the cows had quite a difference in 
electric potential (I can't remember the figures, but it was 
potentially many hundereds of volts) within their body.

Result, they got electrocuted even though it was an indirect strike. 
They were fine if they were standing sideways (not much distance 
between the left and right legs).

So, if you spread out on the ground and a cg is close by, you can 
still get quite a zaaapppp. The Raging Planet thing last week 
recommends crouching down as tightly as possible.....

Still, what if a streamer happens to emenate from your butt and 
connects with an active feeler (on hindsight, probably not a good 
choice of words :-) ). Sheesh-kebabed derierre!


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Hi Dean and all,

At Grafton last year on TD2K, I was standing beside my tripod when I
felt a fuzzy feeling on my head/hair while watching a storm to the W and
S.  I quickly ducked into the car, with a confused Macca sitting beside
me wondering why I jumped in so quickly - I explained and admittedly was
nervous getting the tripod back into the car!

AC

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> Dear Group,
>                    Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
> Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
> going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of the
> window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
> BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck so i
> did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the bang
> was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why it
> happens ?
> 
> Regards DEANO
> 
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Everyone -

This happend to us chasing in the UK -

If your hair stands on end:

A lightning strike is imminent.

Get into a little ball, feet together, knees together, only feet touching
the ground hopefully the lightning'll pick something else.... in our case it
was a nearby tree.

If lightning hits DRY ground the flash keeps going into the ground,
producing fulgarites in the process. If it hits WET ground then the current
spreads across the surface, there's sufficient voltage drop and current
through the length of a say, cow, to turn it into medium rare.

There isn't time to leg it into a car - if there's a strike on the ground
whilst your feet are apart your nervous system gets fried from one foot to
the other, this usually isn't permanent but it'll take months to recover.

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Hi all,

More on the "cookies " debate a lot of it as already been discussed, But the
use of  " Cookies " isn't all bad news most of the time there use by the
website(s) owners is as some sites don't work properly if you don't enable the
use of the cookie. But the use of these Cookies where they are used is a good
sense ( e.g., they remember preferences need for certain sites that you visit
so when you visit next time it remember how you like the site to be displayed,
where you were last on that site, for password protected sites ect... the list
goes on ). Basically from my understanding of them they can remain on your HDD
for a number of reasons some of them are legitimate some aren't. But that all
depends on for what purpose it was wrote and by whom it was wrote. ( General
rule is only to accept cookie that originate for the websites you are
visiting's server, generally you will be safe but not always. This is based on
what i have both heard and read about the use of Cookies ).
But there have been increasing reports of Companies or People ( masking /
pretenting to be a company ) that place cookie's on there sites to gather
information on A:) how often you visit that particular site that's not so bad,
but from there after that's is where it can get out of hand. B:) they can from
that single " Cookie " that Carl has already touched on in his previous email
 <snip>
I do not know what info they get, but in theory any cookie on your HDD can
get whatever info is on it and send it back to them. It is entirely up to
the cookie writer what info it gets and sends back. There is nothing to
stop them scanning your HDD to see what you have installed, or to send the
contents of any file to them, or even the entire contents of your HDD if
desired. In many ways cookies are are like computer viruses.
<end snip>

As an Example, ( supposed good source )
How do you people on the list that have either Win98 ( first release or SE ) or
Windows ME ( through a more advanced version of a " Cookie " that is in the O/S
some were ), think that when you check for updates ( either through visiting
there website and checking manually or by the automatic version in Win ME )
know what updates that you have already installed, which ones you don't have or
according to M/Soft need to install to keep you O/S up to date. These are
normally Bug fixes or patches that fix security holes that where a problem in
some Microsoft product's namely IE 5 and Outlook Express. Which were widely
known about and received a lot of publicity about, but at least we know that
they are a reputable company ( think what you like here, we all bag them still
tho <g> ).

( Bad Source )
Some Cookie's can be used in the way some Virus do, like the Password, User
name type that find these and send the information back to the supposed owner
of it, with all these details. That then can be used for malicious activity and
thus cause they have the password, login details to gain entry, the buck would
stop with you until investigated if it was you or not. So basically it could
possible that it be used as a back door in to your personal system or any
companies network, Recent case :- Microsoft Corp., hacker gained entry through
the use of an employee's user login / password and had a good look at
Microsoft's yet to be released software source code on there internal network,
the software doesn't even have an official name yet as it is still been
researched.

But through the use of  " Cookies " which is most annoying they can send
information back to the people/companies ( or affiliates that the company may
have with other companies or third parties ) that wrote them in the first
place, some of this is for legitimate research on there product's / website in
how popular they are. But they can also be used for gathering Information for
use in Advertising ( campaigns targeting a specific section of the population
).
<snip>
The new Eudora Pro also uses similar technology, in this case to scan your
mailboxes and send them the subject line and email addresses of all your
incoming and outgoing emails everytime you go online for the purposes of
onselling demographic information to advertisers. If you buy Eudora Pro you
are also paying to have your privacy invaded and get heaps of junk email.
Many more software companies are starting to behave this way now.

Whilst you can indeed tell pork pies whilst registering, you cannot fudge
your email address - how many MB per week of unsolicited advertising do you
want coming through your email?
<end snip>

Personal INFORMATION that is all gathered from the seemingly harmless cookie.
Information on your Personal Browsing habit's are when you are online is a
prime example,
which could include:-
What pages you Visit, How often you Visit them and for how long your there each
time.
The Content of these pages ect....

Such information to some people could be a very sensitive issue ? and rightly
so, specially if they shouldn't be looking at certain web pages that have
according to what some people and governments consider to be " Sensitive
Information or Content on the specified website your looking at ", which in
some countries could be anything from Porn sites through to Bomb making
information.

as for this <snip>
>I don't see the onselling of personal details important because you
>don't need to reveal any personal information to use the service. You
>could register as Nostradamus and the system will accept you. The
>truly paranoid can create any fake identity they like and use the
>service in total security.
<endsnip>

They can trace you through your IP address which is unique to every computer "
i.e. no two same computers can have the same IP address ", which every computer
connected to the Internet has to have as the " Net or WWW " is a simply a very
big TCP/IP Network. How do you think they trace/track Hackers and the like down
some time Hacker will try to mask there IP address as if they are a different
computer somewhere else in the world. Tho they use more sophisticated programs
that do the tracking for them, first narrow it down to a country of origin,
then to the ISP and finally to the IP number that is allocated to your
Computer. So in making that statement it is somewhat false cause if they want
to find you they will, highly unlikely that some one like Yahoo will but other
Organizations will, whether they be of government origin or not.


And finally on the other issue of Yahoo
<snip>
>Yahoo's claim to IP over the actual posts is a little more concerning
>and I wonder to what extent they intend to use this. For example,
>will Yahoo publish a storm chasing book based soley on information
>gleaned from the aussie-weather mailing list? I don't think so.
>However, it is worth deciding for ourselves individually whether we
>are giving up too much to obtain this service. Remembering of course
>the alternatives aren't much more appealing.
<endsnip>
For which IP in this case i believe means " Intellectual Property ", simply
speaking that they in this case " Yahoo " Own any information that is hosted,
used on or by there Servers. That means they can do what ever they like with it
which in the above E.g., was on the issue of them Publishing a book on Storm
Chasing from the information that is in the emails that we all send to the
Aus-Wx list via Egroups. And guess what there isn't a thing that we can do
about it, even tho potential Individual Copyright Issues ( Personal Photo's /
Information that most of us on the list all have of in our case Weather
Phenomenon ) will arise if they chose to do this. So any potential Moines that
could have been made by the original owner is lost and you don't have leg to
stand on. If you were to fight it it would be a David and Goliath battle and
they have more money/better lawyers ect... so i think you all know what happens
there in the end.

So i think a Move back to the World.std List would be a better option, yes
granted they have had problems but which isp dosn't ? and i have also not
recieved emails from the " Egroups " list untill many day's latter, if at all.
at least with the World.std  we didn't loss any emails when there Email Servers
where under exstream load for one reason or another ( often cause if a D.O.S. "
Denial Of Service " attack via Email, which my own isp has had happen to them
in the past, simply they the person or persons responible for this DOS attack
send millions of emails at there target with radom names followed by  at which
ever ISP.com there attacking ) It dosen't matter how powerfull the Server is,
if it happens to be attacked and thus over loaded it will slow down for a while
or in extreme cases crash. I think you are all awere of what happend to
Amazon.com, Yahoo, e-bay and a few other's last year when they got hit by a
D.O.S. attack and the damage it did.

I may/may not be totally correct on this if so some one else can correct me if
that is the case, but this is my opinion only on this matter.

Mark Dwyer.

Storm Chaser, Photographer & Webmaster of:
Downunder Severe Weather
http://dsw.au.com

and a Member of the Australian Severe Weather Association Inc.
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All:

>                    Today I was watching a storm come over my home in
> Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the cgs
> going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of
the
> window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later flash
> BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck
so i
> did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the
bang
> was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why
it

A very popular subject on the list, I see.  I have a photo of a ~30 year
old women in Colorado who was on the side of a mountain at the time showing
her long straight hair standing on end from the middle of her head.  She
had a big smile on her face.  Immediately following the photo she was
struck and killed by lightning.  But not all lightning strikes kill.  Many
do not but the victim is often left with permanent brain and central
nervous system damage.  They often find it hard or impossible to
concentrate and find it impossible to work.  Thus, permanent disability is
the result.  As has been pointed out, it often can be the lateral
discharges that radiate outward from a struck object that can do the
damage.

Many times it is the first lightning strike from a storm that kills or
injures because everyone is thinking that this is simply a rain shower,
thus golfers, tennis players, swimmers, etc.  They will remain outside
especially if it has not begun to rain.  It is recommended that people
remain indoors until 30 to 45 minutes after the last thunder is heard 
There is a recently adopted saying here: "If you can see it, flee it!  If
you can hear it clear it!"  This was coined by a medical doctor in the
states that specializes in lighting injuries.  I have seen her give
presentations twice at meteorological conferences here.  Lightning is often
the greatest killer, meteorologically, each year here in the states.  But
we hear little because most of the deaths occur singularly and thus, not
much is made of  it.  Clearly, lightning is something to be respected and
avoided.

Les
************************
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Years ago, around 1970 I think, although it might have been any time from 
1970 to 1972, I was struck by lightning while riding a motorbike and 
sidecar on the Princes Highway near Morwell in Victoria during a 
drenching thunderstorm.  Even though I had a helmet on which prevented my 
hair standing on end, there was a brief tingling sensation for about half 
a second before I was struck.
At the moment of the strike I didn't actually realise it was lightning, 
the driver of the car behind me stopped and told me what had happened.
There was this tingling feeling and then I went instantly totally blind - 
absolute white then absolute black with multicoloured flashes and felt 
pain all over my face - so I pulled in the clutch and stepped on the 
brakes and steered vaguely left where I remembered there was flat open 
grass area beside the road and came to a stop.
At the time my outer layer of water-proof clothing was absolutely soaked 
through, so I guess the lightning went to ground around me rather than 
through me.
The driver of the following car said that both me and the motorbike had 
become "lit up as bright as the lightning" at the moment of the strike 
and that the simultaneous bang of thunder was so loud it almost made him 
wet himself.  He was quite sure he would find me dead.
It is interesting that I did not hear, or at least was not aware of 
hearing, the initial bang of the thunder (perhaps because I was in the 
middle of the flash and the sound was moving outwards away from me), 
although I was aware of the echoing thunder as I was stopping the bike.
My only injury was the part of my face not covered by the helmet which 
was burned about the colour of severe sunburn.  Over the next few days it 
blistered and peeled.
There were a couple of burn marks on the motorbike and one of the wires 
from the magneto had been fried.
I believe God protected me that day.  Most are not so fortunate.  If 
there's a storm around and you feel that tingling ... GET DOWN INSTANTLY!

Phil
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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 22:32:54 +1100
Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Lightning And Hair !

> Dear Group,
>                    Today i was watching a storm come over my home in
> Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the
> cgs
> going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of
> the
> window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later
> flash
> BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck
> so i
> did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the
> bang
> was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and
> why it
> happens ?
> 
> Regards DEANO
> 
> 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Mid North Coast Storm

Good morning everyone,
Well as Dave Carroll posted out there was a severe thunderstorm warning for 
my area last night I got excited. Hadn't seen a good storm for over a week.

Well, the storm didn't arrive until about 10:00pm. But once it did I was out 
watching it. Saw some of the most spectacular CG's I've seen in ages. As 
well as some good CC's. Unfourtanately no photo's last night. But I was out 
watching it until about 11:30pm when it got very quiet in the way of 
lightning.

Also a couple of nights ago way out to the west of my place there was a VERY 
large cell tormenting people out there. I could see it quite clearly from my 
place and the lightning off that was great. Also some very good CC's off 
that one.

That's it from me for now.

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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 12:06:36 +1030
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

Phil and Andrew,

As I wrote in my small report on Friday, where I live which is about 2-3km 
or so SSE of BOM's Kent Town's office very large scale rotation began to 
develop from about 4:30pm onwards on Thursday.  I looked about 3km to the 
north and the activity was pathetic, mostly smooth cloud cover, but right 
over the area where I was large scale rotation was taking place, I would 
estimate the whole circle of rotation was about 3kms wide.  This 
thunderstorm was not sever[ish] it was SEVERE!  It dumped over 25mm in an 
hour where I am and about 45mm at Unley!  I think according to BOM this 
makes this a severe thunderstorm.  Flash flooding was extensive around this 
area especially at Unley where they got most of the runoff from the storm 
here as well as a lot of rain there.  There was no hail though.  The storm 
was not all that long lived.  Winds were very strong at times though.  I 
agree that orographic elements may have contributed to the strength of this 
storm.  The hills are only about 1km away from here and rainfall is often 
heavier than Kent Town in winter and much heavier than the Adelaide Airport. 
  According to BOM's 'Map of Meteorological Districts' I am almost located 
in the 23C district where rainfall is often higher than 23A area(most of 
Adelaide).  Getting back to Thursday's storm.  I do admit this storm was 
most likely not supercell but it was definately a severe thunderstorm, 
probably as you say a pulse thunderstorm.  The view from the northern 
suburbs of this storm would have been pretty poor I presume seeing as when I 
looked at the back edge of the storm, after it moved through all I saw was 
rain and low cloud.  This would not have done it justice in showing it's 
strength.  The large scale rotation I observed that happened right overhead 
was my main reason for considering the possibility of a supercell.




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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW North Coast chase

Hi all,

I'm heading out very soon with Dave Ellem on chase. Updates from Grafton 
local scale radar would be appreciated to 0412 145 710

Yesterday some large cells developed in very low shear along the Richmond 
Range about 50-70ks to my west but I was unable to head out. Radar 
indicated some very heavy falls and possible hail but they were not moving 
much and mainly towards the north. Today shear is much better and I'd 
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Lightning And Hair !

Phil wrote and much more...

> Years ago, around 1970 I think, although it might have been any time from

> 1970 to 1972, I was struck by lightning while riding a motorbike and 
> sidecar on the Princes Highway near Morwell in Victoria during a 
> drenching thunderstorm.  Even though I had a helmet on which prevented my

> hair standing on end, there was a brief tingling sensation for about half

> a second before I was struck.

This was fascinating!  Yes, you were most lucky.  Here recently on a
national TV program (can't remember the name of it) there was a story
concerning the fact that four people in the same family had been struck by
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 But, as you can imagine, the angle on the story was why this family is
favored for lightning.

Interesting......

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Car Site found with travel planner 

Hi all,

Just found this website thought it may interest a few people who would like 
to get from point A to point B in the shortest amount of distance and time.

http://www.theride.com

you can register for free with them and add your car details too, pretty 
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Hi all,

Try this site too has petrol pricing around AU for the month.

http://www.informedsources.com.au/petrol/

regards

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At 01:33 PM 1/28/01 +1030, you wrote:
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>
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>to get from point A to point B in the shortest amount of distance and time.
>
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>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] NSW STA 

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
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Issued at 1417 on Sunday the 28th of January 2001

This advice cancels and replaces the earlier advice issued at 12:14pm
and
now affects people in the following weather districts:

Mid-North Coast
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HI all..  

Some interesting weather patterns as advised by Air Services.  

http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avreq?area=20 

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Don't suppose you took any photos or videos did you SG?


>Phil and Andrew,
>
>As I wrote in my small report on Friday, where I live which is about 2-3km
>or so SSE of BOM's Kent Town's office very large scale rotation began to
>develop from about 4:30pm onwards on Thursday.  I looked about 3km to the
>north and the activity was pathetic, mostly smooth cloud cover, but right
>over the area where I was large scale rotation was taking place, I would
>estimate the whole circle of rotation was about 3kms wide.  This
>thunderstorm was not sever[ish] it was SEVERE!  It dumped over 25mm in an
>hour where I am and about 45mm at Unley!  I think according to BOM this
>makes this a severe thunderstorm.  Flash flooding was extensive around this
>area especially at Unley where they got most of the runoff from the storm
>here as well as a lot of rain there.  There was no hail though.  The storm
>was not all that long lived.  Winds were very strong at times though.  I
>agree that orographic elements may have contributed to the strength of this
>storm.  The hills are only about 1km away from here and rainfall is often
>heavier than Kent Town in winter and much heavier than the Adelaide Airport.
>  According to BOM's 'Map of Meteorological Districts' I am almost located
>in the 23C district where rainfall is often higher than 23A area(most of
>Adelaide).  Getting back to Thursday's storm.  I do admit this storm was
>most likely not supercell but it was definately a severe thunderstorm,
>probably as you say a pulse thunderstorm.  The view from the northern
>suburbs of this storm would have been pretty poor I presume seeing as when I
>looked at the back edge of the storm, after it moved through all I saw was
>rain and low cloud.  This would not have done it justice in showing it's
>strength.  The large scale rotation I observed that happened right overhead
>was my main reason for considering the possibility of a supercell.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:18:36 +1030
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I was unable to take any photos because my camera ran out of film the day 
before.  I did get some video footage though, but not much only the 
rotation.  My VCR is not working at the moment so I am unable to see the 
qualitly of the small amount of footage I took.  If it is good quality I 
will try to transfer it to the internet, this may take quite a while if my 
VCR doesn't start to work!  By the way is there anyway of transfering video 
footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just have a 
sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a 
digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!



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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

S G,

there's a little beast called a 'Snappy' which will transfer from your video
camera to a jpeg file....someone in SA might have one & be able to do the
transfer for you.  There are a few around the group so something should be able
to be organised.

S G wrote:

> <snip> By the way is there anyway of transfering video
> footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just have a
> sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
> digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!<snip>

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Hi SG,

Take it to an ASWA meeting SG. I am sure they would certainly appreciate it 
:). Well I will leave that up to Andrew and Kathy.

Weatherwise, there are storms to the N but it seems that although there is 
a little more likelihood of hail, the conditions are more of the same as we 
had in Sydney yesterday. My believe that a drier air aloft is extremely 
important feature related to severe storms - particularly hail producing 
storms. It seems hail is falling in most of the elevated regions and this 
is where most storms are developing. I also think that the SE wind has 
spoilt the chance for ideal thunderstorms in the Northern Rivers - I 
suppose good rainfall is possible. Don't quote me as I haven't checked the 
models today.

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:18 PM 28/01/01 +1030, you wrote:
>I was unable to take any photos because my camera ran out of film the day
>before.  I did get some video footage though, but not much only the
>rotation.  My VCR is not working at the moment so I am unable to see the
>qualitly of the small amount of footage I took.  If it is good quality I
>will try to transfer it to the internet, this may take quite a while if my
>VCR doesn't start to work!  By the way is there anyway of transfering video
>footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just have a
>sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
>digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!
>
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Goodbye aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com

Hi All.

I would just like to say that now Yahoo! has completed it's takeover of
eGroups, this is my final post to the aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com list,
and I am now unscribing.

I have considered the issues carefully, and weighed things up -
specifically, wanting to keep in touch with a group of people I have grown
quite fond of whilst at the same time not wanting to use an avenue that
blatently stomps on the rights of individuals in it's own pursuit of profit.

In the end, my moral obligation is to unsubscribe to all lists taken over
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Whilst I could (only just) accept the eGroups terms on the use of
information given to them and intellectual copyright policies, Yahoo!'s
policy regarding personal information and intellectual copyright policy is
completely unacceptable to me.

It is my understanding that under Australian privacy laws, it is illegal to
use personal information for any purpose other than that for which it was
originally given, and the transfer of personal information to third parties
without express permission is also illegal.

It is also my understang that Australian copyright law also considers that
intellectual copyright belongs to the author unless such rights are
specifically given to another party by way of a legally binding contract
signed by the author, and transfer or use of such material without express
consent to a third party is illegal.

Both these legal situations should also apply to every business or company
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to every breach of these laws.

Whilst my eGroups posts were not published through Yahoo!, it would seem
that when eGroups sold out to Yahoo! my right to claim intellectual
copyright on my own work was not considered, and now that Yahoo! has my
past work in an archive on one of it's servers there is not a damn thing I
can do about it without signing on and giving up my rights!

I had (wrongly) assumed that we would have been given a final date for when
the move to Yahoo! would be made, however this was not done, so my personal
details and intellectual property were given by eGroups to Yahoo without my
permission and in clear violation of Australian law.

I suggest to ADMIN that they consider the deletion or removal of all
material in the archive prior to the actual transfer to Yahoo! so as to
comply with Australian law, as the moderator, whilst not directly
responsible for the transfer from Yahoo! to eGroups, is an Australian
living in Australia and is therefore bound by Australian law to take such
steps as are possible to rectify the situation, even if Yahoo! is not so
obligated, and by so doing to preserve the intellectual copyright of all
those who have posted material in good faith on aussie-weather through
eGroups, or get written permission from every list member if they wish to
retain their material in the archive.

Well, it is with much regret that I now say goodbye those of you who have
signed off the old aussie-weather at world.std.com list, however I will
continue to use the old list and any who choose to remain on it or to
resubscribe to it can continue our great conversations and information
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Regards,
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SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT 
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS INDIANA
SAT JAN 27 2001 

...SOME WINTER WEATHER MAY MOVE INTO INDIANA SUNDAY NIGHT... 
LOW PRESSURE MOVING OUT OF THE SOUTHWEST MAY SPREAD SOME FREEZING RAIN
AND SLEET INTO INDIANA LATE SUNDAY NIGHT OR MONDAY MORNING. HIGH CLOUDS
FROM THIS SYSTEM ARE ALREADY SPREADING INTO INDIANA. SKIES WILL BE
MOSTLY CLOUDY ON SUNDAY. THESE CLOUDS WILL HOLD TEMPERATURES DOWN SOME. 

AT THE PRESENT TIME THE WINTER WEATHER SHOULD NOT MOVE INTO CENTRAL
INDIANA UNTIL AROUND MIDNIGHT. THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE A FEW DEGREE
DIFFERENCE IN TEMPERATURES AND THE SPEED THE MOISTURE MOVES IN WILL
GREATLY EFFECT THE TYPE OF PRECIPITATION. THE BEST CHANCE FOR FREEZING
RAIN AND SLEET WILL BE IN THE CENTRAL AND NORTH. 

WARMER AIR WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE IN ON MONDAY CAUSING THE FREEZING RAIN
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:16:22 +1030
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Goodbye aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com

See ya Carl


At 04:17 PM 1/28/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi All.
>
>I would just like to say that now Yahoo! has completed it's takeover of
>eGroups, this is my final post to the aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com list,
>and I am now unscribing.
>
>I have considered the issues carefully, and weighed things up -
>specifically, wanting to keep in touch with a group of people I have grown
>quite fond of whilst at the same time not wanting to use an avenue that
>blatently stomps on the rights of individuals in it's own pursuit of profit.
>
>In the end, my moral obligation is to unsubscribe to all lists taken over
>by Yahoo!.
>
>Whilst I could (only just) accept the eGroups terms on the use of
>information given to them and intellectual copyright policies, Yahoo!'s
>policy regarding personal information and intellectual copyright policy is
>completely unacceptable to me.
>
>It is my understanding that under Australian privacy laws, it is illegal to
>use personal information for any purpose other than that for which it was
>originally given, and the transfer of personal information to third parties
>without express permission is also illegal.
>
>It is also my understang that Australian copyright law also considers that
>intellectual copyright belongs to the author unless such rights are
>specifically given to another party by way of a legally binding contract
>signed by the author, and transfer or use of such material without express
>consent to a third party is illegal.
>
>Both these legal situations should also apply to every business or company
>that accepts/transmits information from any person in Australia, and if
>this was the case, very large fines and/or lengthy jail terms would apply
>to every breach of these laws.
>
>Whilst my eGroups posts were not published through Yahoo!, it would seem
>that when eGroups sold out to Yahoo! my right to claim intellectual
>copyright on my own work was not considered, and now that Yahoo! has my
>past work in an archive on one of it's servers there is not a damn thing I
>can do about it without signing on and giving up my rights!
>
>I had (wrongly) assumed that we would have been given a final date for when
>the move to Yahoo! would be made, however this was not done, so my personal
>details and intellectual property were given by eGroups to Yahoo without my
>permission and in clear violation of Australian law.
>
>I suggest to ADMIN that they consider the deletion or removal of all
>material in the archive prior to the actual transfer to Yahoo! so as to
>comply with Australian law, as the moderator, whilst not directly
>responsible for the transfer from Yahoo! to eGroups, is an Australian
>living in Australia and is therefore bound by Australian law to take such
>steps as are possible to rectify the situation, even if Yahoo! is not so
>obligated, and by so doing to preserve the intellectual copyright of all
>those who have posted material in good faith on aussie-weather through
>eGroups, or get written permission from every list member if they wish to
>retain their material in the archive.
>
>Well, it is with much regret that I now say goodbye those of you who have
>signed off the old aussie-weather at world.std.com list, however I will
>continue to use the old list and any who choose to remain on it or to
>resubscribe to it can continue our great conversations and information
>sharing.
>
>Regards,
>Carl.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:56:19 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Severe Storms in the Wide Bay and Burnett District

Hi Everyone,

I just got word of a very nasty storm from my dad at Cinnabar
(http://www.auslig.gov.au/cgi-bin/gazdraw?6798555) - 20-25k's (esitmate) NE
of Goomeri in the Wide Bay and Burnett district of SE QLD.

He described the storm as "frightening" for a period of five minutes - with
ferocious lightning and deafening thunder.  There are trees down all over
the place, some of which have landed on his caravan - I don't think there
was any major damage to the caravan though.  He also said the lightning
after the storm had passed was amazing - with constant booming thunder for
quite some time.

Luckily this area is sparsely populated - with some distance between each
farm house, with the exception of the small population centers of Goomeri
and Woolooga (both of which are small - especially Woolooga).

The lightning tracker has been going right off for most of the afternoon -
showing over 700 Cg's in a 5 minute period around the time my dad
experienced the storm.





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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:42:11 +1030
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???

Hi Jane,

Whats this Snappy thing you are referring too, where can I obtain one and 
how much does it cost :)


Regards

Andrew





At 04:56 PM 1/28/01 +1100, you wrote:
>S G,
>
>there's a little beast called a 'Snappy' which will transfer from your video
>camera to a jpeg file....someone in SA might have one & be able to do the
>transfer for you.  There are a few around the group so something should be 
>able
>to be organised.
>
>S G wrote:
>
> > <snip> By the way is there anyway of transfering video
> > footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just 
> have a
> > sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
> > digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!<snip>
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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>
>
>
>
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Andrew,

they are around the $350 mark (or were before they invented GST) - and some of
the larger software suppliers can get hold of it for you.  It's a piece of
software with accompanying hardware to take stills from video...made by 'Play
Incorporated' - see www.play.com.  I got mine through my ISP who tracked it down
for me.

Jane

Andrew Wall wrote:

> Hi Jane,
>
> Whats this Snappy thing you are referring too, where can I obtain one and
> how much does it cost :)
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew
>
> At 04:56 PM 1/28/01 +1100, you wrote:
> >S G,
> >
> >there's a little beast called a 'Snappy' which will transfer from your video
> >camera to a jpeg file....someone in SA might have one & be able to do the
> >transfer for you.  There are a few around the group so something should be
> >able
> >to be organised.
> >
> >S G wrote:
> >
> > > <snip> By the way is there anyway of transfering video
> > > footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just
> > have a
> > > sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
> > > digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!<snip>
> >
> >Jane
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >ASWA - Victoria
> >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> >--------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
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ASWA - Victoria
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Hi Andrew and others

>Whats this Snappy thing you are referring too, where can I obtain one and
>how much does it cost :)

go to >> http://cf.play.com/play/snappy/ for the info from the manufacturer. 
These are a must for people using SVHS/VHS-C or video-8/Hi 8 and dont plan 
going digital in a hurry. Based on the captures I have seen you end up with 
very good quality images.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] The old list

Carl
From what I can tell, the old list stil has many subscribers but the list
itself is largely inactive. I am sure that given enough enthusiasm there
will be plenty of hot weather discussion to kepp you happy. We will continue
to post to both lists.
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:05:57 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Severe Storms in the Wide Bay and Burnett District


Further to this, he recorded 60 points (15mm) of rain in approx 2 mins from
the storm.  This works out to be a 450mm/h rainrate - this would sound like
bullshit to most i guess, but from the way he explained everything i have no
trouble believing it - or something around that rate

He also described it as "a total white out" - ie. the rain and wind was that
fierce was that heavy he couldn't see the ground a few feet in front of him


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Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 4:56 PM
Subject: [aussie-weather] Severe Storms in the Wide Bay and Burnett District


> Hi Everyone,
>
> I just got word of a very nasty storm from my dad at Cinnabar
> (http://www.auslig.gov.au/cgi-bin/gazdraw?6798555) - 20-25k's (esitmate)
NE
> of Goomeri in the Wide Bay and Burnett district of SE QLD.
>
> He described the storm as "frightening" for a period of five minutes -
with
> ferocious lightning and deafening thunder.  There are trees down all over
> the place, some of which have landed on his caravan - I don't think there
> was any major damage to the caravan though.  He also said the lightning
> after the storm had passed was amazing - with constant booming thunder for
> quite some time.
>
> Luckily this area is sparsely populated - with some distance between each
> farm house, with the exception of the small population centers of Goomeri
> and Woolooga (both of which are small - especially Woolooga).
>
> The lightning tracker has been going right off for most of the afternoon -
> showing over 700 Cg's in a 5 minute period around the time my dad
> experienced the storm.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:37:40 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List

From the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, re the tropical low off the coast
of WA.......

1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN 150 NM
EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 14.7S2 128.2E3 TO 14.8S3 122.9E4 WITHIN THE
NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF
NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS IN THE AREA ARE
ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 272330Z7 INDICATES
THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 15.1S7 127.4E4. THE SYSTEM IS
MOVING WEST- NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS.

2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED OVER NORTHWESTERN  AUSTRALIA
HAS CONTINUED TO PERSIST AND BECOME MORE ORGANIZED OVER  THE LAST 6
HOURS. ANIMATED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES STRONG  CONVECTION LOCATED
OVER THE TIMOR SEA. RECENT SYNOPTIC DATA AND  QUICKSCATT DATA INDICATE A
LOOSELY DEFINED AND PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW  LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
(LLCC) LOCATED INLAND OVER THE KIMBERLY
PENINSULA. UW-CIMSS SATELLITE DERIVED WIND PRODUCTS INDICATE A
FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS THE LLCC
CONTINUES MOVING TOWARD THE COAST. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK TO MODERATE
VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND MODERATE SPEED DIVERGENCE ALOFT  NORTH OF THE
SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS  ESTIMATED TO BE
NEAR 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A  SIGNIFICANT
TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.


............................................

BTW, I'm not going anywhere - I like the current list & the speed it
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spam mail or any problems whatsoever - so I'm staying put!!

Jane

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This is directed more so to Brisbanites/SE QLD chasers...

Now, I hope I don't stuff this up for everyone by informing people
this.  But for chasing, depending on where you head...petrol is normally
cheapest at Amberly on the Cunningham Hwy...near the turnoff to
Rosewood.  This is where I fill for chases, both while going out to
chase and when possible, returning from a chase.  There are three petrol
stations, a Oz Fuels, Burmah and a Mobil.  Oz Fuels and Burmah normally
have cheaper fuel, so in order for Mobil to compete they decrease their
prices.  It's on the route to most chasing starting areas...so it's
conveinient!

AC

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> Hi all,
> 
> Try this site too has petrol pricing around AU for the month.
> 
> http://www.informedsources.com.au/petrol/
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> regards
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> Andrew
> 
> At 01:33 PM 1/28/01 +1030, you wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Just found this website thought it may interest a few people who would like
> >to get from point A to point B in the shortest amount of distance and time.
> >
> >http://www.theride.com
> >
> >you can register for free with them and add your car details too, pretty
> >good site actually.
> >
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I had a slightly scary experience while chasing today.  I was heading
south of Mulgowrie near the ranges, south of Laidley.  Anyway, the rain
was torrential, you could hardly see - the speed limit was 100, I was
sitting on 60-70.  There was an unmarked floodway, and it was hidden by
a large dip in the road, and with the rain being so heavy, I didn't even
see it full of raging water until it was too late.  I hit it at about
60-70km/h, and found myself being dragged across the road slightly,
while shoving it into 1st and struggling to get out.  I later checked
the inside of the car, and I have mud on the inside of the door about
40cm off the ground.  I've also done some damage to the car - lost a
hubcap, one of the car badges is gone, I had to re-bend the number plate
back into place and the current ripped the sensor off my external thermo
cord.  I hope I have not done any damage to the engine...it was
spluttering for a bit afterwards.  Not to mention no brakes!

The floodway was unmarked...quite dangerous actually!  I think the creek
that normally goes under it was blocked...hence why it was going across
the road.

I also observed a nice rounded guster north of Gatton with frequent CG's
(average of one every 5 seconds).

Laidley had branches down across most of the town, but nothing huge.

Yesterday I got a possible funnel cloud with strong rotation at Boonah,
and a nice guster near Beaudesert.  It was quite microbursty yesterday,
and I got some nice 70km/h winds - just strong enough to take down small
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With the discussion about super cells/pulse cells, I think an important
point to make is that super-cells are not defined in terms of the severity
of the weather they produce, but rather by the dynamics/organisation. A
super cells is simply "a thunderstorm with an intense, deep and persistent
rotating updraft" The rotation of the storms comes out of the shear in the
environment and allows the separation of the up and down drafts, allowing
the storm to exist much longer than the average non super cell which kills
its self through the interference between up and down drafts. 

In Aus. pulse storms, which are ordinary storms which briefly exhibit strong
updrafts (often greater than 30m/s) are responsible for a lot of the
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as bad or worse than that produced by a super cell, but the lack of
organisation in a pulse storm means these do not last very long.

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hi ya`s
Well, it looks like i have an interesting couple of days coming up
anyone have any thoughts????

Raechel
Port Hedland
Western Austrailia

TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and 
Wallal,
which includes the communities at Derby and Broome.

At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of Cockatoo
Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving Westsouthwest 
at 8
kilometres per hour.

The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify into a
tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas
during the day today however gales could develop overnight.

Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST.

  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
                       Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East.
  Recent movement    : Westsouthwest  at 8 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 999 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : Not yet a Tropical Cyclone




>From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
>To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:37:40 +1100
>
>From the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, re the tropical low off the coast
>of WA.......
>
>1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN 150 NM
>EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 14.7S2 128.2E3 TO 14.8S3 122.9E4 WITHIN THE
>NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF
>NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS IN THE AREA ARE
>ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 272330Z7 INDICATES
>THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 15.1S7 127.4E4. THE SYSTEM IS
>MOVING WEST- NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS.
>
>2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED OVER NORTHWESTERN  AUSTRALIA
>HAS CONTINUED TO PERSIST AND BECOME MORE ORGANIZED OVER  THE LAST 6
>HOURS. ANIMATED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES STRONG  CONVECTION LOCATED
>OVER THE TIMOR SEA. RECENT SYNOPTIC DATA AND  QUICKSCATT DATA INDICATE A
>LOOSELY DEFINED AND PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW  LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
>(LLCC) LOCATED INLAND OVER THE KIMBERLY
>PENINSULA. UW-CIMSS SATELLITE DERIVED WIND PRODUCTS INDICATE A
>FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS THE LLCC
>CONTINUES MOVING TOWARD THE COAST. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK TO MODERATE
>VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND MODERATE SPEED DIVERGENCE ALOFT  NORTH OF THE
>SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS  ESTIMATED TO BE
>NEAR 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A  SIGNIFICANT
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.
>
>
>............................................
>
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>operates at & the fact that I can check back through the days messages,
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>do (the email you want ot reply to is always on a different computer to
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>fussed if they know I'm female, live in Melbourne & was born in 1972
><g>.  If they start charging $$ then I'll think about it.  I've had no
>spam mail or any problems whatsoever - so I'm staying put!!
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
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>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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>
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Hi Raechel.
The are of activity is looking better by the hour,this development west of
Broome has rather good mid and low level convergence,although in its earlier
stages the upper divergence field was rather weak, this has now improved
with what appears to be a strengthening high level divergence potential,also
an upper level mid latitude trough at 300hpa (30.000ft) is moving to the
south of this potential TC this will aid the outflow south of the TC, all
this put together means a possible severe TC may  result. Regards Clyve
Herbert.
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> hi ya`s
> Well, it looks like i have an interesting couple of days coming up
> anyone have any thoughts????
>
> Raechel
> Port Hedland
> Western Austrailia
>
> TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
> Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001
> BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
> A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and
> Wallal,
> which includes the communities at Derby and Broome.
>
> At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of
Cockatoo
> Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving
Westsouthwest
> at 8
> kilometres per hour.
>
> The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify into a
> tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas
> during the day today however gales could develop overnight.
>
> Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST.
>
>   Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
>                        Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East.
>   Recent movement    : Westsouthwest  at 8 kilometres per hour.
>   Central Pressure   : 999 hPa.
>   Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>   Severity category  : Not yet a Tropical Cyclone
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> >To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
> >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:37:40 +1100
> >
> >From the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, re the tropical low off the coast
> >of WA.......
> >
> >1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN 150 NM
> >EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 14.7S2 128.2E3 TO 14.8S3 122.9E4 WITHIN THE
> >NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF
> >NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS IN THE AREA ARE
> >ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 272330Z7 INDICATES
> >THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 15.1S7 127.4E4. THE SYSTEM IS
> >MOVING WEST- NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS.
> >
> >2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED OVER NORTHWESTERN  AUSTRALIA
> >HAS CONTINUED TO PERSIST AND BECOME MORE ORGANIZED OVER  THE LAST 6
> >HOURS. ANIMATED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES STRONG  CONVECTION LOCATED
> >OVER THE TIMOR SEA. RECENT SYNOPTIC DATA AND  QUICKSCATT DATA INDICATE A
> >LOOSELY DEFINED AND PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW  LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
> >(LLCC) LOCATED INLAND OVER THE KIMBERLY
> >PENINSULA. UW-CIMSS SATELLITE DERIVED WIND PRODUCTS INDICATE A
> >FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS THE LLCC
> >CONTINUES MOVING TOWARD THE COAST. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK TO MODERATE
> >VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND MODERATE SPEED DIVERGENCE ALOFT  NORTH OF THE
> >SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS  ESTIMATED TO BE
> >NEAR 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A  SIGNIFICANT
> >TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.
> >
> >
> >............................................
> >
> >BTW, I'm not going anywhere - I like the current list & the speed it
> >operates at & the fact that I can check back through the days messages,
> >which is invaluable for someone who changes computers as frequently as I
> >do (the email you want ot reply to is always on a different computer to
> >the one you are sitting at at the time - Murphy's law!!) & I'm not
> >fussed if they know I'm female, live in Melbourne & was born in 1972
> ><g>.  If they start charging $$ then I'll think about it.  I've had no
> >spam mail or any problems whatsoever - so I'm staying put!!
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
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> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
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Hi Anthony.
Take it easy out there!, glad to see otherwise you saw some good
stuff.regards Clyve H.
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Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: [aussie-weather] SEQ Storm Chase


> I had a slightly scary experience while chasing today.  I was heading
> south of Mulgowrie near the ranges, south of Laidley.  Anyway, the rain
> was torrential, you could hardly see - the speed limit was 100, I was
> sitting on 60-70.  There was an unmarked floodway, and it was hidden by
> a large dip in the road, and with the rain being so heavy, I didn't even
> see it full of raging water until it was too late.  I hit it at about
> 60-70km/h, and found myself being dragged across the road slightly,
> while shoving it into 1st and struggling to get out.  I later checked
> the inside of the car, and I have mud on the inside of the door about
> 40cm off the ground.  I've also done some damage to the car - lost a
> hubcap, one of the car badges is gone, I had to re-bend the number plate
> back into place and the current ripped the sensor off my external thermo
> cord.  I hope I have not done any damage to the engine...it was
> spluttering for a bit afterwards.  Not to mention no brakes!
>
> The floodway was unmarked...quite dangerous actually!  I think the creek
> that normally goes under it was blocked...hence why it was going across
> the road.
>
> I also observed a nice rounded guster north of Gatton with frequent CG's
> (average of one every 5 seconds).
>
> Laidley had branches down across most of the town, but nothing huge.
>
> Yesterday I got a possible funnel cloud with strong rotation at Boonah,
> and a nice guster near Beaudesert.  It was quite microbursty yesterday,
> and I got some nice 70km/h winds - just strong enough to take down small
> branches.
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>
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Hi Clyve
thankx , that is about what i thought was happening
i`m just not very confident in myself yet
anyway , i`ve just been told that BoM will be up grading it from a tropical 
low to a cyclone at lunch time today
so i`ll be watching
bye for now
Raechel


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>Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:46:03 +1100
>
>Hi Raechel.
>The are of activity is looking better by the hour,this development west of
>Broome has rather good mid and low level convergence,although in its 
>earlier
>stages the upper divergence field was rather weak, this has now improved
>with what appears to be a strengthening high level divergence 
>potential,also
>an upper level mid latitude trough at 300hpa (30.000ft) is moving to the
>south of this potential TC this will aid the outflow south of the TC, all
>this put together means a possible severe TC may  result. Regards Clyve
>Herbert.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Raechel Watts <redraech at hotmail.com>
>To: <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
>
>
> > hi ya`s
> > Well, it looks like i have an interesting couple of days coming up
> > anyone have any thoughts????
> >
> > Raechel
> > Port Hedland
> > Western Austrailia
> >
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
> > Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001
> > BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
> >
> > A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and
> > Wallal,
> > which includes the communities at Derby and Broome.
> >
> > At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of
>Cockatoo
> > Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving
>Westsouthwest
> > at 8
> > kilometres per hour.
> >
> > The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify into 
>a
> > tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal 
>areas
> > during the day today however gales could develop overnight.
> >
> > Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST.
> >
> >   Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
> >                        Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East.
> >   Recent movement    : Westsouthwest  at 8 kilometres per hour.
> >   Central Pressure   : 999 hPa.
> >   Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> >   Severity category  : Not yet a Tropical Cyclone
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
> > >Subject: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
> > >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:37:40 +1100
> > >
> > >From the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, re the tropical low off the 
>coast
> > >of WA.......
> > >
> > >1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN 150 
>NM
> > >EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 14.7S2 128.2E3 TO 14.8S3 122.9E4 WITHIN THE
> > >NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF
> > >NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS IN THE AREA ARE
> > >ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 272330Z7 INDICATES
> > >THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 15.1S7 127.4E4. THE SYSTEM IS
> > >MOVING WEST- NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS.
> > >
> > >2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED OVER NORTHWESTERN  AUSTRALIA
> > >HAS CONTINUED TO PERSIST AND BECOME MORE ORGANIZED OVER  THE LAST 6
> > >HOURS. ANIMATED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES STRONG  CONVECTION LOCATED
> > >OVER THE TIMOR SEA. RECENT SYNOPTIC DATA AND  QUICKSCATT DATA INDICATE 
>A
> > >LOOSELY DEFINED AND PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW  LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
> > >(LLCC) LOCATED INLAND OVER THE KIMBERLY
> > >PENINSULA. UW-CIMSS SATELLITE DERIVED WIND PRODUCTS INDICATE A
> > >FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS THE LLCC
> > >CONTINUES MOVING TOWARD THE COAST. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK TO MODERATE
> > >VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND MODERATE SPEED DIVERGENCE ALOFT  NORTH OF THE
> > >SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS  ESTIMATED TO BE
> > >NEAR 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A  SIGNIFICANT
> > >TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.
> > >
> > >
> > >............................................
> > >
> > >BTW, I'm not going anywhere - I like the current list & the speed it
> > >operates at & the fact that I can check back through the days messages,
> > >which is invaluable for someone who changes computers as frequently as 
>I
> > >do (the email you want ot reply to is always on a different computer to
> > >the one you are sitting at at the time - Murphy's law!!) & I'm not
> > >fussed if they know I'm female, live in Melbourne & was born in 1972
> > ><g>.  If they start charging $$ then I'll think about it.  I've had no
> > >spam mail or any problems whatsoever - so I'm staying put!!
> > >
> > >Jane
> > >
> > >--------------------------------
> > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > >ASWA - Victoria
> > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > >--------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> > 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] low off NW coast.

After an extended lull in the Australian tropics, things seem to be firing
up quite generally (indeed coinciding with what appears to be an active
phase of the MJO/40-50 day wave). There is now a deep low 999hPa, and a TC
watch for parts of NW Australia. 

Interestingly, the models have this system rapidly being absorbed into the
westerlies later in the week and moving SE across the continent to be near
Victoria by the weekend. If this were to occur it could results in a
substantial rainfall event... something that is long long long over due. Of
course this is a long way out, but it does at least hold out some hope.

Cheers,

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Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and
Wallal,
which includes the communities at Derby and Broome.

At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of Cockatoo
Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving Westsouthwest
at 8
kilometres per hour.

The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify into a
tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas
during the day today however gales could develop overnight. 

Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST.

  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
                       Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East.
  Recent movement    : Westsouthwest  at 8 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 999 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] BOM response on possible supercell storm in Adelaide

I wrote an e-mail to BOM the day after the thunderstorm developed in 
Adelaide to find out the cause and if the thunderstorm could have been a 
supercell.  Jenny Dickins replied today by saying "the thunderstorms in the 
Adelaide area were certainly severe and dumped torrential rain in certain 
areas causing flash flooding...".  Jenny described the storm near Springton 
as showing "supercell characteristics on radar and was quite slow moving"  
There was a report of hail to the northeast of Springton as well.  The most 
interesting part of Jenny's reply was....

"It was effectively the outflow from the Springton storm combined with the 
convergence between southeast winds coming over the Hills from Strathalbyn 
and southwest winds on the Adelaide Plains, that initiated the thunderstorms 
in Adelaide.  These storms were short lived, but intense and slow 
moving....with the updrafts building rapidly, (something I, S.G, definatley 
noticed) and then dumping their contents equally quickly".

This qualifies what people such as Phil and Andrew were saying about the 
Adelaide thunderstorms being caused by outflow from the Springton storms.  
The Adelaide storm was not a supercell although obviously close to one as it 
became extremely intense.  Regarding my video footage which I finally 
viewed, there is not much of it, the quality is reasonable and I am very 
interested in this snappy thing.  It would make life a lot easier.  I would 
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> 
> 
> A new city record was established in Perth this morning, the city got down
> to 8.9C, it beat the old January record of 9.2C with was recorded on the
> 20th January, 1925. But the city site has changed over the years, so they
> are not directly comparable.
> 
> Perth Airport got down to 6C (rounded), so its possible it may have beaten
> their January record of 6.0C

Actually, the 6.0 is not rounded, so the record has been equalled.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Tornado Sightning NE NSW

Hi All,
Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 2kms S 
from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a lowering 
toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good story 
about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked back 
in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my 
excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his 
daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I 
found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the 
whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the ground so 
it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you want 
to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into 
the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to 
school tomorrow :(
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Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !

I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in 
front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft being 
perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort of 
wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a dump 
of rain to relieve the oppressive humidity, but that wasn't to be as it was 
very slowly tracking north. The cell had grown to about 7-8km in height but 
not producing any lightning that I could detect. It dumped rain on the 
hills and in the valley just to the north and the subsequent outflow winds 
had reversed the whole surface appearance to the NW. Low cloud was now 
moving towards the SW instead of perviously from it.

At 3.54pm I glanced out the window to the NNW and was amazed to see a 
funnel of cloud from the SW side of the cell all the way to the ground on a 
hill facing me approximately 5-6km away. The parent "storm" had a backshear 
at around 6-7km in height with the funnel occurring on the flanking line 
which spread SW towards more large cumulus cells.

The tornado must have been 200-300 metres in length at the most, but it 
persisted for a good five minutes (almost all on video) evolving through 
various contortions, becoming thicker and thinner at times, with other 
scuds very noticeably wrapping around the funnel. It moved towards the NNW, 
with the wall cloud maintaining its features for quite some time after the 
funnel dissipated. I'd say this tornado was in the landspout category, with 
mostly low level vorticity causing it, and the high humidity (DP/temp 
~23/26) making it visible.

The radar loop is here:
http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/200101290520.gif
not showing anything particularly exciting, but does show a small hook echo 
just above the 're' in Lismore at 0500z. Maybe just a coincidence.

0500z IR satpic also shows a weak anvil over the area.

regards, Michael




At 16:21 29/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 2kms S
>from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a lowering
>toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good story
>about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked back
>in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my
>excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his
>daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I
>found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the
>whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the ground so
>it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you want
>to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into
>the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to
>school tomorrow :(
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:05:08 +1100 (EST)
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Weather:Nice Inversion in Melbourne

> 
> Well today is shaping up as a day of what ifs in Melbourne?
> 
> What if the cloud breaks up??, what if the invserion breaks??, what if the
> seabreeze comes in??
> 
> Looking at the current Melbourne obs at 5.30am (yes i'm a nut), it is
> currently 29 at Dunns Hill in the Dandenongs (about 600m) with a northerly
> blowing, while down in the suburbs it's about 20 with light winds. Temps at
> other higher altitude locations are also up, Ballarat, Mt Hotham, Baw Baw
> and Falls Creek all warmer than Melbourne. North of the state the NW wind is
> blowing at the surface, with Mildura sitting on 33.8!!!! The rest of the
> mallee 30+  Not bad for 5am.
> 

Mildura ended up with a minimum of 30.9 on this morning (24/1). This
appears to be a new state record for Victoria, although we need to
check a few details before being 100% sure.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:12:56 +1100 (EST)
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> 
> Michael, I see the main reason for the absence of warnings in regional areas 
> as being to provide some uniformity across the state, which I suppose has 
> political roots. Even though many regional radars would be suitable as the 
> basis of a warning service, it would be difficult to justify blatantly 
> giving some regional areas a higher priority service than others. For 
> example, you could imagine if the BoM put out warnings for the Northern 
> rivers then people on the Northern tablelands, would start wondering why 
> Armidale wasn't warned more specifically before it got pummelled. Logically 
> I would think that the Hunter Valley, if anywhere, would be next on the 
> warning agenda, partly because, as a forecast district, it cops major storms 
> probably more often than most other areas of the state, partly because it 
> contains a major population centre, and also since a chunk of the lower 
> Hunter, which is part of Greater Sydney politically, is already covered by 
> the Sydney warning service.

(Disclaimer: I have nothing whatsoever to do with forecast policy,
other than reading the documents every now and again).

I think David's hit the nail on the head here - as long as we don't have 
100% radar coverage of any given state there would be problems of
regional consistency - you could issue warnings for areas where
there was good radar coverage (which certainly applies to the NSW
North Coast) but this creates problems with areas that don't have it.

The NSW approach seems a reasonable compromise to me (more so than
Queensland). I'll be interested to see if there's any change to
Victorian warning policy when the NE Victorian radar goes in (at
which point there will be reasonable radar coverage pretty well
everywhere in Victoria except for essentially unpopulated parts of
the eastern mountains).

Blair
> Hopefully things will one day evolve to a point where warnings will be 
> issued widely and with accuracy.
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on 1/29/01 5:05 PM, Blair Trewin at blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au wrote:

>> 
>> Well today is shaping up as a day of what ifs in Melbourne?
>> 
>> What if the cloud breaks up??, what if the invserion breaks??, what if the
>> seabreeze comes in??
>> 
>> Looking at the current Melbourne obs at 5.30am (yes i'm a nut), it is
>> currently 29 at Dunns Hill in the Dandenongs (about 600m) with a northerly
>> blowing, while down in the suburbs it's about 20 with light winds. Temps at
>> other higher altitude locations are also up, Ballarat, Mt Hotham, Baw Baw
>> and Falls Creek all warmer than Melbourne. North of the state the NW wind is
>> blowing at the surface, with Mildura sitting on 33.8!!!! The rest of the
>> mallee 30+  Not bad for 5am.
>> 
> 
> Mildura ended up with a minimum of 30.9 on this morning (24/1). This
> appears to be a new state record for Victoria, although we need to
> check a few details before being 100% sure.
> 
> Blair
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It (30.9) was said to be a record in all the local media sources but the
36.7 at 3 am was the real clincher for the night. I guess it is 'coldest'
just before dawn. 

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> It (30.9) was said to be a record in all the local media sources but the
> 36.7 at 3 am was the real clincher for the night. I guess it is 'coldest'
> just before dawn. 
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Hi all,

Just a teaser beore I get all the piccies back.  This is a series from the
Thursday chase to Mt Pleasant [the 'small' day not the 'big' day].  They're
in a temporary position until full reports get submitted to Andrew Wall's
SA storms site.

The series goes http://www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/MtPleasant24101-1sm.jpg
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the development of a detached arcus as it becomes outflow dominant and
starts dumping rain in a big way.

more pics up from this day and the big multicell day [friday] tomorrow.....

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Hi all,

One more showing a new updraft with lowering:
http://www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/MtPleasant24101-7sm.jpg

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Thats excellent about the tornado/landspout !!!!! Glad you both had your eyes on
the sky !!!

Was there any damage? could you see any derbri being lifted up?

Matt Smith

Michael Bath wrote:

> Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !
>
> I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in
> front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft being
> perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort of
> wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a dump
> of rain to relieve the oppressive humidity, but that wasn't to be as it was
> very slowly tracking north. The cell had grown to about 7-8km in height but
> not producing any lightning that I could detect. It dumped rain on the
> hills and in the valley just to the north and the subsequent outflow winds
> had reversed the whole surface appearance to the NW. Low cloud was now
> moving towards the SW instead of perviously from it.
>
> At 3.54pm I glanced out the window to the NNW and was amazed to see a
> funnel of cloud from the SW side of the cell all the way to the ground on a
> hill facing me approximately 5-6km away. The parent "storm" had a backshear
> at around 6-7km in height with the funnel occurring on the flanking line
> which spread SW towards more large cumulus cells.
>
> The tornado must have been 200-300 metres in length at the most, but it
> persisted for a good five minutes (almost all on video) evolving through
> various contortions, becoming thicker and thinner at times, with other
> scuds very noticeably wrapping around the funnel. It moved towards the NNW,
> with the wall cloud maintaining its features for quite some time after the
> funnel dissipated. I'd say this tornado was in the landspout category, with
> mostly low level vorticity causing it, and the high humidity (DP/temp
> ~23/26) making it visible.
>
> The radar loop is here:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/200101290520.gif
> not showing anything particularly exciting, but does show a small hook echo
> just above the 're' in Lismore at 0500z. Maybe just a coincidence.
>
> 0500z IR satpic also shows a weak anvil over the area.
>
> regards, Michael
>
> At 16:21 29/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 2kms S
> >from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a lowering
> >toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good story
> >about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked back
> >in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my
> >excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his
> >daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I
> >found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the
> >whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the ground so
> >it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you want
> >to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into
> >the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to
> >school tomorrow :(
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Yes I would like to reiterate Matt's congrats.

I know just how your heart pumps with adrenalin hen something like this 
happens let alone so close to home.

Well done.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:35 PM 29/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Thats excellent about the tornado/landspout !!!!! Glad you both had your 
>eyes on
>the sky !!!
>
>Was there any damage? could you see any derbri being lifted up?
>
>Matt Smith
>
>Michael Bath wrote:
>
> > Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !
> >
> > I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in
> > front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft being
> > perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort of
> > wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a dump
> > of rain to relieve the oppressive humidity, but that wasn't to be as it was
> > very slowly tracking north. The cell had grown to about 7-8km in height but
> > not producing any lightning that I could detect. It dumped rain on the
> > hills and in the valley just to the north and the subsequent outflow winds
> > had reversed the whole surface appearance to the NW. Low cloud was now
> > moving towards the SW instead of perviously from it.
> >
> > At 3.54pm I glanced out the window to the NNW and was amazed to see a
> > funnel of cloud from the SW side of the cell all the way to the ground on a
> > hill facing me approximately 5-6km away. The parent "storm" had a backshear
> > at around 6-7km in height with the funnel occurring on the flanking line
> > which spread SW towards more large cumulus cells.
> >
> > The tornado must have been 200-300 metres in length at the most, but it
> > persisted for a good five minutes (almost all on video) evolving through
> > various contortions, becoming thicker and thinner at times, with other
> > scuds very noticeably wrapping around the funnel. It moved towards the NNW,
> > with the wall cloud maintaining its features for quite some time after the
> > funnel dissipated. I'd say this tornado was in the landspout category, with
> > mostly low level vorticity causing it, and the high humidity (DP/temp
> > ~23/26) making it visible.
> >
> > The radar loop is here:
> > http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/200101290520.gif
> > not showing anything particularly exciting, but does show a small hook echo
> > just above the 're' in Lismore at 0500z. Maybe just a coincidence.
> >
> > 0500z IR satpic also shows a weak anvil over the area.
> >
> > regards, Michael
> >
> > At 16:21 29/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
> > >Hi All,
> > >Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 
> 2kms S
> > >from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a 
> lowering
> > >toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good story
> > >about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked back
> > >in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my
> > >excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his
> > >daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I
> > >found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the
> > >whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the 
> ground so
> > >it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you want
> > >to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into
> > >the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to
> > >school tomorrow :(
> > >_________________________________________________________________________
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> > >
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<P>David</P>
<P>Would be an interesting scenario if it played out.</P>
<P>Here in the Canberra, the last substantial rain event we had at this time of the year, happened in January 1995 when a large low (in area, not central pressure) that formed in the the Gulf of Carpentaria, it would seem in the Monsoonal trough, drifted south south east and brought rain to a broad swathe of Southern Queenland, NSW and Eastern Victoria.&nbsp; We received about 100 mm out of the event, here in Canberra (about the last time they closed Coppins Crossing) and as I recall places in Eastern Victoria received almost twice that.</P>
<P>A large low, following that trajectory has not been repeated since, and its apparent unusual character and behaviour makes me curious about what caused it to follow such a seemingly unusual course.</P>
<P>Does anyone else remember this January 1995 event and have any theories about it?<BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: David Jones<D.JONES at BOM.GOV.AU> 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: [aussie-weather] low off NW coast. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:02:12 +1100 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;After an extended lull in the Australian tropics, things seem to be firing 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;up quite generally (indeed coinciding with what appears to be an active 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;phase of the MJO/40-50 day wave). There is now a deep low 999hPa, and a TC 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;watch for parts of NW Australia. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Interestingly, the models have this system rapidly being absorbed into the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;westerlies later in the week and moving SE across the continent to be near 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Victoria by the weekend. If this were to occur it could results in a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;substantial rainfall event... something that is long long long over due. Of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;course this is a long way out, but it does at least hold out some hope. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Cheers, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;David. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Wallal, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;which includes the communities at Derby and Broome. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of Cockatoo 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving Westsouthwest 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;at 8 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;kilometres per hour. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify into a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;during the day today however gales could develop overnight. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Recent movement : Westsouthwest at 8 kilometres per hour. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Central Pressure : 999 hPa. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; Severity category : Not yet a Tropical Cyclone 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The next advice will be issued at 1:00 pm this afternoon. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. 
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<P>Hi Michael</P>
<P>What a month you've had! Casino, an appearance on ABC radio and now this!&nbsp; Congratulations on the interview on the James O'Brien show. Very polished performance.</P>
<P>When I read the line in your email ending in 'dump', I almost got the wrong idea about what sort of dump you were referring to.</P>
<P>Michael K.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:54:40 +1100 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true ! 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft being 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort of 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a dump 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;of rain to relieve the oppressive humidity, but that wasn't to be as it was 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;very slowly tracking north. The cell had grown to about 7-8km in height but 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;not producing any lightning that I could detect. It dumped rain on the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;hills and in the valley just to the north and the subsequent outflow winds 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;had reversed the whole surface appearance to the NW. Low cloud was now 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;moving towards the SW instead of perviously from it. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;At 3.54pm I glanced out the window to the NNW and was amazed to see a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;funnel of cloud from the SW side of the cell all the way to the ground on a 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;hill facing me approximately 5-6km away. The parent &quot;storm&quot; had a backshear 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;at around 6-7km in height with the funnel occurring on the flanking line 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;which spread SW towards more large cumulus cells. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The tornado must have been 200-300 metres in length at the most, but it 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;persisted for a good five minutes (almost all on video) evolving through 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;various contortions, becoming thicker and thinner at times, with other 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;scuds very noticeably wrapping around the funnel. It moved towards the NNW, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;with the wall cloud maintaining its features for quite some time after the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;funnel dissipated. I'd say this tornado was in the landspout category, with 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;mostly low level vorticity causing it, and the high humidity (DP/temp 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;~23/26) making it visible. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The radar loop is here: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/200101290520.gif 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;not showing anything particularly exciting, but does show a small hook echo 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;just above the 're' in Lismore at 0500z. Maybe just a coincidence. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;0500z IR satpic also shows a weak anvil over the area. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;regards, Michael 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;At 16:21 29/01/2001 +1100, you wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Hi All, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 2kms S 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a lowering 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good story 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked back 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the ground so 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you want 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;school tomorrow :( 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Cows killed in Illawarra storm - 17th January 2001

I have been told by several people now about a local news story involving
several prize cows being killed indirectly by lightning at Albion Park.

I say indirectly as the cows were spooked and went charging into a fence
that live power lines had fallen onto.

This storm as I mentioned in a previous posts was one of the most lightning
intense I have seen. I do not doubt the story as I witnessed many CG's  hit
the ground in the area.

The farmer said that this was the final straw as with milk deregulation his
income has halved.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 20:54:34 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] super cell definitions.

Hi David et al,

 From reading the literature, I think the cutoff for supercell and 
non-supercell becomes quite blurred. I am not trying to get my photographs 
up on this list but for the interest of this e-mail please bare with me.

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd02.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd03.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd04.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd05.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd06.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd07.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd08.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd09.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd10.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0107jd11.jpg

These photographs were taken on a day (near Oberon) when wind speed 
(velocity) shear was not great but directional wind shear was reasonably 
good. This storm according to Geoff Thurtell split an hour or so earlier 
and this was the left mover. Now from a distance, I am pretty sure they 
would look like pulse storm events but I think the directional shear helped 
so much on this day. The storm cells were not moving that fast at all again 
due to the the low wind speed shear.

My point is that on a day when one would have expected pulse storm events, 
(as I have seen in the past and these storms never or rarely enter the 
Sydney basin), these storms exploded to massive heights and maintained 
themselves relatively close to each other. Of course they didn't last 3 
hours or more like some supercells but this has made me realise that such 
days are worth not ignoring and can be quite dangerous events.

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:07 AM 29/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>With the discussion about super cells/pulse cells, I think an important
>point to make is that super-cells are not defined in terms of the severity
>of the weather they produce, but rather by the dynamics/organisation. A
>super cells is simply "a thunderstorm with an intense, deep and persistent
>rotating updraft" The rotation of the storms comes out of the shear in the
>environment and allows the separation of the up and down drafts, allowing
>the storm to exist much longer than the average non super cell which kills
>its self through the interference between up and down drafts.
>
>In Aus. pulse storms, which are ordinary storms which briefly exhibit strong
>updrafts (often greater than 30m/s) are responsible for a lot of the
>reported storm damage, and are particularly prone to produce large hail and
>damaging straight line winds. The weather produced by a pulse storm can be
>as bad or worse than that produced by a super cell, but the lack of
>organisation in a pulse storm means these do not last very long.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David
>
>
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>
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>
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:00:28 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Cows killed in Illawarra storm - 17th January 2001

Hi Michael,

What a sad story this is about the farmer. I am so passionate about severe 
storms in their beauty as a part of nature but I do realise the effect is 
has on people's lives. I think this was most realised in the Sydney 
hailstorm when the unusual happened: a second storm came through and dumped 
rain within the opened roofs. I still have not come to terms with this part 
of the event. I could not even start to imagine what it would be like 
having my possessions wrecked after a storm had passed through my home.

Certainly a touching and sad story. I wish people were able to get some 
form of advice to help such things not happening. Could the cows have been 
put under shelter? I really wished others in this world could at least 
recognise when there is a potentially dangerous situation and react 
accordingly.

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:00 PM 29/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>I have been told by several people now about a local news story involving
>several prize cows being killed indirectly by lightning at Albion Park.
>
>I say indirectly as the cows were spooked and went charging into a fence
>that live power lines had fallen onto.
>
>This storm as I mentioned in a previous posts was one of the most lightning
>intense I have seen. I do not doubt the story as I witnessed many CG's  hit
>the ground in the area.
>
>The farmer said that this was the final straw as with milk deregulation his
>income has halved.
>
>Michael Thompson
>http://ozthunder.com
>
>
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Yahoo...... etc

Well - after reading the various posts from people about Yahoo etc (not
wanting to rehash the debate) - I thought I would make my own mind up.

However in the last 24 hours I have been spammed 6 times!! I deliberately
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Yahoo are spam city people.

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Hey SG.  You realise you're gonna have to come to the next ASWA meeting and
show us that footage, dont you?  ;)

>This qualifies what people such as Phil and Andrew were saying about the
>Adelaide thunderstorms being caused by outflow from the Springton storms.
>The Adelaide storm was not a supercell although obviously close to one as it
>became extremely intense.  Regarding my video footage which I finally
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Cows killed in Illawarra storm - 17th January 2001

Jimmy,

it is a very unfortunate situation when livestock (or any animal, for that
matter) is killed for whatever reason, however, most "farmers" have more
than just a few cows and trying to fit 50 - 700 cows in some sort of
shelter.... well, I'm sure you get my meaning....

Cheers
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Lightning And Hair !

Phil,

do you know if that was reported in the local paper or not?? As a local I
would be love to see if this was reported in the local rag (maybe a pic of a
burnt face with frazzled hair like they show in the cartoons??), the
"Latrobe Valley Express" or it might have been "The Advertiser" back then.

Cheers
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Cows killed in Illawarra storm - 17th January 2001

Hi Anthony,

Yes I know what you mean but these were prized cattle. And perhaps it would 
be ok to have several sheds on a property as shelters. In respect to the 
loss that may now have put him out of business, then it may have been worth 
it in the long run.

Consider the apple industry for instance, I am sure they used to think oh 
well I am just unlucky and the storm claimed this year's crops. Well what 
they have done now is put netting over a lot of various crops - even car 
yards to minimise or prevent damage from hail.

Just a thought

I know it is difficult but better management is needed in Australia in many 
cases.

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:09 PM 29/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Jimmy,
>
>it is a very unfortunate situation when livestock (or any animal, for that
>matter) is killed for whatever reason, however, most "farmers" have more
>than just a few cows and trying to fit 50 - 700 cows in some sort of
>shelter.... well, I'm sure you get my meaning....
>
>Cheers
>Thrax
>
>
>
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Subject: [aussie-weather] CG hitting chaser car - Real video

I thought the following link shows an interesting piece of video - CG 
hitting a chaser car in the US. I just love the transition from a what was a 
composed chaser synopsis...(sourced from wx-chase a few weeks back: it is 
about 2.5 megs and is in Real video format).

http://www.lightningboy.com/video/f_ing_lightning.rm

On a few occasions this season, when the lightning has been quite 
incredible, I have often wondered, if ever I were to score a direct hit, 
what would happen to the resin part of my 4WD (ie the bit above my head). 
None more so than a few weeks back (day of the Casino storm) when on a chase 
with Paul Graham. On the way to Walcha when we were at over 1000 metres 
elevation and driving on a treeless ridgetop, I saw a pulling CG strike in 
the valley not more than 1 km away directly up the road which was a little 
scary.

Incidentally, I strongly recommend that chasers heading to the Northern 
tablelands from Sydney give the Nowendoc road a go. There are some steep 
ascents and windy bits but, in general, it is a very good road with some 
excellent lookouts about 1/2 way along (around 1000m); panoramic views of 
the northwest slopes.
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Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:35:37 +1030
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Absolutely coming down in Alice Springs at the moment. After no rain since
Christmas, we've had around 150mm in 2 days. On Sunday afternoon all roads
were like rivers, while on Friday Morning we had a big thunderstorm with
masses of lightning, which unfortunately hit some communication centres,
causing all sorts of troubles on the first working day after the long
weekend. The Todd river is rising slowly, and if this rain keeps up (it's
pouring at the moment) it may flood. Although we like our rain here, we
don't like it that much. All this is from a trough that has formed in
central Aust., and we may get more from the looming cyclone off the
Kimberley coast. All very interesting.
Cheers,
Duncan
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Subject: [aussie-weather] 13 year old perspective of the Casino storm

The following account is a 13 year old perspective of the Casino storm... 
take deep breathes when reading.

---------------
Hi,

Thanks for the reply. It must have been pretty fightening chasing it but
kinda exciting at the same time if you know what i mean. There hasn't really
been much talk about it being a tornado just a mini cylone because of the
wind and everything and that it didn't leave the path of a tornado just a
cyclone and only a mini one at that. But in the paper it said people had had
sightings of funnels so yeah. I didn't get any photos or anything i wish i
could have but we were out at the time but i was inside when i obserbed the
storm. I did have some hail but it was unfrozen during the night because of
the black out and everything but yeah i could ask a few friends if they had
any pictures. The hail was pretty bad like you could see it falling and u
could just hear it thuding on the roof. What are the supercells? are they
the pink on the radar that cause a cyclone or tornado? Well actually i am
interested in storm events i find it really interesting. From my
observations i can't exactly say that i saw a funnel or anything but here is
what i saw.
We were (my parents and I) were standing outside looking at the sky which
was a nearly black color though i didn't really see any green to indicate
the hail and it was coming from the South from my memory and yeah we were
standing out there and the storm looked a far way away and we just barly got
inside before it hit. It hit thick and fast you could see the hail falling
to the ground and the sound on the roof was just bang bang bang as the hail
hit and it and one after another 3 windows smashed and even though the
windows were shut the water was still coming through. It went on for a while
just this heavy raining and hail yet not all that much lightening or
thunder. I was looking outside but you couldn't  see anything cause of the
rain and winds were so strong you could see the trees swaying. It stoped and
i went outside to check where our car was parked and it was parked along
with 5 cars everyone of them got their windscreen smashed. And then it began
again coming from the east i dunno if that was the eye or the storm or what
(i have researched storms a bit in school) and people have said that two
storms hit each other and from what i can remeber if two winds or storms
meet then that is what causes a tornado or cylone and then it started again
the winds were the same and hail was just as big as we drove home with no
side window and a cracked windscreen we crossed our fingers that our ouse
would be fine down town the main street was blocked off and we drove past
houses with no roof's i think pretty much every house in our street got
broken windows or worse.

Anyway i hope this helps a little bit i am really interested in storms and
things and yeah do tornado's leave like a path of destruction well that is
what i was wondering cause it is just all over here.
Anyway i am looking forward to a reply
Amalie


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Subject: [aussie-weather] Another WA TC and it's " TERRI "

Hi all,

Yet another WA TC has just been named by the Perth BoM, the info on it
is below. Number 2 for the season now let's see how this one pan's out
in the coming day's.

IDW50W05
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this
warning.

PRIORITY

TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 8
Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 30 January 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Broome and
Roebourne,
which includes the communities at Broome and Port Hedland.

The CYCLONE WATCH between Cockatoo Island and Broome has been cancelled.

At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Terri was estimated to be 220
kilometres
northwest of Broome and 440 kilometres northnortheast of Port Hedland
and was
moving westsouthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.

It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas within the next 24
hours,
however gales could develop within 48 hours.

Details of tropical cyclone Terri at midnight WST.

  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
                       Latitude 16.8 South Longitude 120.6 East.
  Recent movement    : Westsouthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : 1

The next advice will be issued at 7:00 am.
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210.

--
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Subject: [aussie-weather] TC Terri forms NNE of Port Hedland - How SEVERE will this one be ???

Hi all,

Well after almost 2 months since our last Cyclone in Australian waters we
finally have TC # 2 of the season.  The BoM have just upgraded the Tropical
Low NW of Broome to Tropical Cyclone Terri.  Don't know where they got the
name from because it's on none of the cyclone name lists I have....anyone
know ?
Looks like Port Hedland may have a Cat 3 bearing down on them on Wednesday
night or early Thursday morning as the mid latitude trough steers the TC
more southward as it approaches.

JTWC has landfall west of Dampier:
http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/sh0701.gif

Latest BoM Advice:

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.

PRIORITY

TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 8
Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 30 January 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Broome and
Roebourne,
which includes the communities at Broome and Port Hedland.

The CYCLONE WATCH between Cockatoo Island and Broome has been cancelled.

At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Terri was estimated to be 220 kilometres
northwest of Broome and 440 kilometres northnortheast of Port Hedland and
was
moving westsouthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.

It is not expected to cause gales in coastal areas within the next 24 hours,
however gales could develop within 48 hours.

Details of tropical cyclone Terri at midnight WST.

  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
                       Latitude 16.8 South Longitude 120.6 East.
  Recent movement    : Westsouthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : 1

The next advice will be issued at 7:00 am.
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210.

JTWC had the low as a cyclone  at  5pm WST Monday:

WTXS31 PGTW 290900
1. TROPICAL CYCLONE 07S WARNING NR 001
   01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
    ---
   WARNING POSITION:
   290600Z7 --- NEAR 15.9S5 122.1E6
     MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 240 DEGREES AT 10 KTS
     POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
     POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
   PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 030 KT, GUSTS 040 KT
   REPEAT POSIT: 15.9S5 122.1E6
    ---
   FORECASTS:
   12 HRS, VALID AT:
   291800Z0 --- 16.4S1 119.8E9
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
   VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 240 DEG/ 09 KTS
    ---
   24 HRS, VALID AT:
   300600Z9 --- 17.3S1 118.2E2
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
   VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 220 DEG/ 08 KTS
    ---
   36 HRS, VALID AT:
   301800Z2 --- 18.5S4 117.1E0
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 065 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
                            050 NM ELSEWHERE
   VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 195 DEG/ 08 KTS
    ---
   EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
   48 HRS, VALID AT:
   310600Z0 --- 20.0S2 116.6E4
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 065 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
                                   OVER WATER
                            050 NM ELSEWHERE
   VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 195 DEG/ 06 KTS
    ---
   72 HRS, VALID AT:
   010600Z7 --- 22.2S6 115.9E6
   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
   DISSIPATING AS A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER LAND
    ---
REMARKS:
290900Z0 POSITION NEAR 16.0S7 121.5E9.
TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 07S, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 600NM
NORTHEAST OF LEARMONTH, AUSTRALIA HAS TRACKED WEST-SOUTHWEST AT 10
KNOTS DURING THE PAST 6 HOURS. THE WARNING POSITION IS
BASED ON 290530Z9 INFRARED AND VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY.
THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE CURRENT ESTIMATES
OF 25 AND 30 KNOTS. ANIMATED INFRARED SATELLITE IMAGERY
SHOWS ORGANIZING CONVECTION ABOUT A POSSIBLE LOW LEVEL THE
CIRCULATION CENTER. UW-CIMSS ANALYSIS PRODUCT INDICATES THE
SYSTEM IS IN AN AREA OF WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR WITH FAVORABLE
OUTFLOW ALOFT. THE SYSTEM IS EXPECT TO TRACK WESTWARD UNDER
THE STEERING INFLUENCE OF A MIDLEVEL RIDGE SOUTH OF THE SYSTEM.
AFTER THE 24HR PERIOD THE SYSTEM WILL TRACK SOUTHWESTWARD
RESPONDING TO A WEAKNESS IN THE MID LEVEL RIDGE. TC 07S IS
EXPECTED TO WEAKEN AS IT ENCOUNTERS LAND SHORTLY AFTER THE 48HR
PERIOD. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 290600Z7 IS 9 FEET.
THIS WARNING SUPERSEDES AND CANCELS REF A, NAVPACMETOCCEN 290121Z
JAN 01 TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (WTXS21 PGTW 290130Z)
NEXT WARNINGS AT 292100Z4 (DTG 291951Z7) AND 300900Z2 (DTG
300751Z6).//

Regards
JJ
From a very hot and humid Karratha W.A
Temperatures have been in the high 30's for the past couple of days and DP's
in the high 20's with the Heat Index  hovering around 50C !!!
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hey Les,

That photo of the Colorado woman is in my physcis text book. If other people
are interested (it also gives a case study of the electric field around her
head ;)), check out "Fundamentals Of Physics" Halliday, Resnick & Walker. In
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> All:
>
> >                    Today I was watching a storm come over my home in
> > Petersham (Sydney) it strengthened as it came near i was watching the
cgs
> > going down beetween 200 and 400 meteres away i just had my head out of
> the
> > window slightly and i felt my hair rise and about 3-5 seconds later
flash
> > BANG i luckly heard somewhere if your hair stands up in a storm to duck
> so i
> > did luckily i had a roof over me the flash blinded me for a sec but the
> bang
> > was huge i would like to know of anyone with similar experiences and why
> it
>
> A very popular subject on the list, I see.  I have a photo of a ~30 year
> old women in Colorado who was on the side of a mountain at the time
showing
> her long straight hair standing on end from the middle of her head.  She
> had a big smile on her face.  Immediately following the photo she was
> struck and killed by lightning.  But not all lightning strikes kill.  Many
> do not but the victim is often left with permanent brain and central
> nervous system damage.  They often find it hard or impossible to
> concentrate and find it impossible to work.  Thus, permanent disability is
> the result.  As has been pointed out, it often can be the lateral
> discharges that radiate outward from a struck object that can do the
> damage.
>
> Many times it is the first lightning strike from a storm that kills or
> injures because everyone is thinking that this is simply a rain shower,
> thus golfers, tennis players, swimmers, etc.  They will remain outside
> especially if it has not begun to rain.  It is recommended that people
> remain indoors until 30 to 45 minutes after the last thunder is heard
> There is a recently adopted saying here: "If you can see it, flee it!  If
> you can hear it clear it!"  This was coined by a medical doctor in the
> states that specializes in lighting injuries.  I have seen her give
> presentations twice at meteorological conferences here.  Lightning is
often
> the greatest killer, meteorologically, each year here in the states.  But
> we hear little because most of the deaths occur singularly and thus, not
> much is made of  it.  Clearly, lightning is something to be respected and
> avoided.
>
> Les
> ************************
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HI all ..

May I ask who is  located around Port Hedland area and on this list.. ?

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<DIV>looks like there could be some wet weather in the Hunter again.&nbsp; 
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Hi all,

Just a quick not that meand Paul Mclean will be out on the rd very
shortly for another WA chase , Storms already moving in from the NW as
we speak, Lightning has already been reported from a Perth Radio station
to the NW of Perth. Any Updates will be greatly appreciated on Mobile #
Mine 040 7991213 or 0419198121 Pauls, SMS's or leave a msg if were out
of range, cya's

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List

Hi Raechel.
I just had a look at TC Terri, this system still has potential for
approaching the severe category over the next 24 hours although an eye is
not clear the TC may "tighten up"in the next 6 to 12 hours .  At 1300hrs
(local time MEL) the storm is moving SW at about 15 kph watch for the
recurving possibility especially if the advancing speed slows to below 5 or
8 kph, if this occurs the TC may then recurve towards the south or southeast
which may bring the system onto the northwest coast between Port Headland
and Onslow. There are other favourable tracks TC's tend to follow in this
area and these are moving "around the corner" near Exmouth and drifting
directly towards the west southwest and then to dissipate over the Indian
ocean all interesting stuff! .regards Clyve Herbert.
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> Hi Clyve
> thankx , that is about what i thought was happening
> i`m just not very confident in myself yet
> anyway , i`ve just been told that BoM will be up grading it from a
tropical
> low to a cyclone at lunch time today
> so i`ll be watching
> bye for now
> Raechel
>
>
> >From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
> >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:46:03 +1100
> >
> >Hi Raechel.
> >The are of activity is looking better by the hour,this development west
of
> >Broome has rather good mid and low level convergence,although in its
> >earlier
> >stages the upper divergence field was rather weak, this has now improved
> >with what appears to be a strengthening high level divergence
> >potential,also
> >an upper level mid latitude trough at 300hpa (30.000ft) is moving to the
> >south of this potential TC this will aid the outflow south of the TC, all
> >this put together means a possible severe TC may  result. Regards Clyve
> >Herbert.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Raechel Watts <redraech at hotmail.com>
> >To: <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:06 PM
> >Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
> >
> >
> > > hi ya`s
> > > Well, it looks like i have an interesting couple of days coming up
> > > anyone have any thoughts????
> > >
> > > Raechel
> > > Port Hedland
> > > Western Austrailia
> > >
> > > TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
> > > Issued at 6:50 am WST on Monday, 29 January 2001
> > > BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > > TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
> > >
> > > A CYCLONE WATCH is now current for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and
> > > Wallal,
> > > which includes the communities at Derby and Broome.
> > >
> > > At 6am WST a Tropical Low was estimated to be 70 kilometres west of
> >Cockatoo
> > > Island and 235 kilometres northnortheast of Broome and moving
> >Westsouthwest
> > > at 8
> > > kilometres per hour.
> > >
> > > The tropical low is expected to deepen steadily, and may intensify
into
> >a
> > > tropical cyclone today. It is not expected to cause gales in coastal
> >areas
> > > during the day today however gales could develop overnight.
> > >
> > > Details of the Tropical Low at 6am WST.
> > >
> > >   Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
> > >                        Latitude 16.0 South Longitude 123.0 East.
> > >   Recent movement    : Westsouthwest  at 8 kilometres per hour.
> > >   Central Pressure   : 999 hPa.
> > >   Maximum wind gusts : 70 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> > >   Severity category  : Not yet a Tropical Cyclone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
> > > >Subject: [aussie-weather] TC for WA? / The List
> > > >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:37:40 +1100
> > > >
> > > >From the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre, re the tropical low off the
> >coast
> > > >of WA.......
> > > >
> > > >1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN 150
> >NM
> > > >EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 14.7S2 128.2E3 TO 14.8S3 122.9E4 WITHIN
THE
> > > >NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY ISSUANCE OF
> > > >NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME. WINDS IN THE AREA
ARE
> > > >ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT IMAGERY AT 272330Z7 INDICATES
> > > >THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED NEAR 15.1S7 127.4E4. THE SYSTEM
IS
> > > >MOVING WEST- NORTHWESTWARD AT 08 KNOTS.
> > > >
> > > >2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED OVER NORTHWESTERN
AUSTRALIA
> > > >HAS CONTINUED TO PERSIST AND BECOME MORE ORGANIZED OVER  THE LAST 6
> > > >HOURS. ANIMATED SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES STRONG  CONVECTION
LOCATED
> > > >OVER THE TIMOR SEA. RECENT SYNOPTIC DATA AND  QUICKSCATT DATA
INDICATE
> >A
> > > >LOOSELY DEFINED AND PARTIALLY EXPOSED LOW  LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER
> > > >(LLCC) LOCATED INLAND OVER THE KIMBERLY
> > > >PENINSULA. UW-CIMSS SATELLITE DERIVED WIND PRODUCTS INDICATE A
> > > >FAVORABLE UPPER LEVEL ENVIRONMENT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS THE LLCC
> > > >CONTINUES MOVING TOWARD THE COAST. THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK TO
MODERATE
> > > >VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND MODERATE SPEED DIVERGENCE ALOFT  NORTH OF THE
> > > >SUBTROPICAL RIDGE AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS  ESTIMATED TO
BE
> > > >NEAR 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A  SIGNIFICANT
> > > >TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >............................................
> > > >
> > > >BTW, I'm not going anywhere - I like the current list & the speed it
> > > >operates at & the fact that I can check back through the days
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> > > ><g>.  If they start charging $$ then I'll think about it.  I've had
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> > > >spam mail or any problems whatsoever - so I'm staying put!!
> > > >
> > > >Jane
> > > >
> > > >--------------------------------
> > > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > > >
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Hi every1,

It seems that Fortunecity have changed the format for addressing pages and 
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It seems that Fortunecity have changed the format for addressing pages and 
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Ultra mini Perth Chase

Perth has received it's First Lightning Storm for the season that has not
been 250Km inland and has actualy passed / reached the Perth CBD.
At 8:30am at work I noticed that the loops showed a cell approaching from
the NW towards the CBD and had a listen on the old AM tracker, sure enough I
could hear some static.
I jumped into the trusty local area chase vehicle <Doc Martins> and headed
up to the highest point around. Kings Park. From infront of Durack House I
could just see to the NW and there were some nice CG's and some streamers
that travelled about 8-10Km from the rain curtain out over my head in some
cases. Quite brief but quite spectacular all the same.

It has pretty much died out now but we hope that it will arc up again this
afternoon with some heating and the active broad trough...

Forcast Top temp for Pth is 39 deg C Current 24 DP 18.3deg
Quite dry air aloft 0-10% with lower level RH at 40%. 450mb Temps are -17,
500 at -11, 550mb at -6deg. LFTX is -2 So some possibility for this arvo.

TC watch is still active for the area between Wallal and Whim creek
including Port Headland. Currently 990 Hpa and Cat 1 expected to deepen.

Fingers crossed for an arv after work chase....

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Clyve,
I understand that favourable conditions for the continued survival /
formation of TC's include low shear and good upper level divergence.
Is this divergence as shown at

 http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/shemi/winds/wgmsdvSW.html

what allows for upper level outflow? ie So the cyclone can continually draw
in air at the lower levels and pump it out at the top so to speak,
divergence allowing this air to escape and not interfere with the TC.

Is it also correct to say that the low shear environment allows the
structure and organisation of the TC to form?

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3.07pm 30/01

Hi all ..

Have very heavy rain in Bathurst right now,, thunder & lightning..  We have
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More storms in sydney again, slow moving storms with plenty of thunder
around.
Nothing photogenic, STA/STW out for a few area's, all for flash
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3:40pm EDT - Sydney

Yep, heavy rainfall clearing to the N now, the odd rumble now and then over
the last hour.  3:30pm BoM forecast has heavy local falls and flooding
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hi guys,

well, i heard some thunder for the first time this new year. it was only
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi group,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i was just having a look at the broad loop radar 
from Broome and Dampier (4.45PM AEST). While only a CAT 1 or 2 storm, Terri 
appears to cover a huge area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyways, I used my famous (if not rather Dodgy) 
Ruler on the screen trigonometry technique and worked out that if She stays on 
here current course, It looks set to come ashore near poor old Whim Creek again. 
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:28:50 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Tornado photos

Hi all,

My pics are up:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-02.htm

quite an evolution in size over a couple of minutes.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:38:22 +1100 (EST)
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Hottest day in Western Sydney since when?

Checking the data for Richmond, there was no day over 40 in the summer
of 1980/81 (although there were two in November 1980). 

In January 1979 there was 42.9 on the 9th of January and 44.1 on
the 10th (and two other days over 40). In 1980 there was a 43.4 on
21 February, a 41.6 on the 1st and 41.2 on January 18. However, none
of these days was a Monday, so I'm at a bit of a loss to reconcile
Jimmy's comments with the data.

The only plausible Monday candidate around this time would seem
to be 25 January 1982 (41.6 at Richmond).

Blair

> No Keith I recall those days when I was still in Primary school - extremely 
> hot. I still recall the news bulletin. But this was in 1981 definite about 
> that and it was  Monday. I recall my father and uncle having to come home 
> as they used to work out as labourers. They had the tools in the water and 
> it was too hot to handle them they were asked to go home.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 08:57 PM 15/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
> >Jimmy,
> >Would you be thinking of January 1979, when there were 2 consecutive
> >days over 40? Here I recorded 43.6 and 44.3 on the 9th and 10th January
> >1979 respectively, as well as 42.5 on the 6th and 40.5 on the 14th,
> >although I think I only had a slatted screen in those days so they're
> >probably off by a degree or so. Don't know about other places.
> >Today of course that record was broken (I wouldn't say shattered)..44.9
> >which according to my calcs is a 1 in 34 year event for January.
> >The southerly has brought branches and other assorted debris down (as
> >noted already elsewhere) and here I recorded a barometer rise of 7 Hpa
> >in about 30 minutes.
> >Wind is starting to ease off.
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It seems we have matched it with the best in the state today here in
> > > Western Sydney. Temperatures got to around 46C if you take precautions of
> > > measuring the temperature in the shade away from buildings and over grass.
> > > Of course if you measure in areas affected by buildings or the hot ground
> > > it would get higher.
> > >
> > > What I wanted to know was what was the high temperature in 1981 when it hit
> > > an extreme similar to today. Was it higher or lower than today. What was
> > > the record in Sydney and also the eastern side of the ranges..
> > >
> > > I always wanted to know.
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
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> > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> > >
> > > from
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> > > NSW Australia
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> 
> A bit of a cliff-hanger. White Cliffs reported a max temp to 3pm of
> 48. It holds the record for highest temp in NSW at 48.6 (accepting
> Blair's practice of not recognising the non-standard 51.7 measured at
> Bourke). We won't know until tomorrow whether the temp rose further,
> and what the decimal point is, as White Cliffs is a 9 and 3 manual
> reporting station. Temperatures at Tibooburra and Wilcannia, the only
> AWSs vaguely in the same area, both dropped after 3pm, but Cobar Town
> AWS rose from 45.0 at 3pm to 46.3 half an hour later, before dropping
> slowly away. 
> 

A minor correction: I discount the 51.7 because of a clerical error
(on the paper documents you can clearly see the 125 F crossed out
and replaced with 112, which matches with the 110 at 3 p.m.), not
because of non-standard instruments (Bourke had a Stevenson screen
by 1909). There is also a 52.8 at Bourke in 1877 (from memory) which
was measured under very non-standard conditions (like under a tin
verandah, a common practice in NSW at the time).

On reading the diaries of Henry Russell (the NSW government 
meteorologist at the time), there were also some other very high
measurements made around this time, including one of 53.3 at
Wanaaring in 1891. Russell didn't take these terribly seriously
and neither do I. (In fact, he had quite a bit to say in various
newspaper articles - there was a lengthy exchange of correspondence
in the 'Echo' in around 1882 - about the effect of instrument 
exposure on measured temperature).

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hi dave
i`m in port hedland
sitting here waiting , hoping that it comes here this time
Raechel

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Hi Michael.
I checked out your impressive photos and congratulations.This development is
definitley a tornado and can be seen on the ground I agree it is weak but
vorticity has developed  under a large and rapidly growing CJ , there
appears to be a high moisture content and possibly high relative cape it
does not look like a "land spout" variety,but forming under a brief but
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> Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !
>
> I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in
> front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft being
> perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort of
> wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a
dump
> of rain to relieve the oppressive humidity, but that wasn't to be as it
was
> very slowly tracking north. The cell had grown to about 7-8km in height
but
> not producing any lightning that I could detect. It dumped rain on the
> hills and in the valley just to the north and the subsequent outflow winds
> had reversed the whole surface appearance to the NW. Low cloud was now
> moving towards the SW instead of perviously from it.
>
> At 3.54pm I glanced out the window to the NNW and was amazed to see a
> funnel of cloud from the SW side of the cell all the way to the ground on
a
> hill facing me approximately 5-6km away. The parent "storm" had a
backshear
> at around 6-7km in height with the funnel occurring on the flanking line
> which spread SW towards more large cumulus cells.
>
> The tornado must have been 200-300 metres in length at the most, but it
> persisted for a good five minutes (almost all on video) evolving through
> various contortions, becoming thicker and thinner at times, with other
> scuds very noticeably wrapping around the funnel. It moved towards the
NNW,
> with the wall cloud maintaining its features for quite some time after the
> funnel dissipated. I'd say this tornado was in the landspout category,
with
> mostly low level vorticity causing it, and the high humidity (DP/temp
> ~23/26) making it visible.
>
> The radar loop is here:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/temp/200101290520.gif
> not showing anything particularly exciting, but does show a small hook
echo
> just above the 're' in Lismore at 0500z. Maybe just a coincidence.
>
> 0500z IR satpic also shows a weak anvil over the area.
>
> regards, Michael
>
>
>
>
> At 16:21 29/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
> >Hi All,
> >Just wondering in to my kitchen which faces north (I live in NE NSW, 2kms
S
> >from Michael Bath's house) and saw a large cumulus cloud that had a
lowering
> >toughing the ground! I took a photo (thinking I could make up a good
story
> >about a tornado) and wondered back inside. About 3mins later I walked
back
> >in and it had become thinner and looked exactley like a tornado!!! In my
> >excitiment I rang Michael to tell him to look out his window and his
> >daughter said he would ring me back (I thought he was busy working). As I
> >found out when he rang me back a few mins later, he had been filming the
> >whole thing!!! He had identified rotation and it was touching the ground
so
> >it was a tornado (although very weak!!). The tornado (or whatever you
want
> >to call it) was on the ground for about 5mins before retracting back into
> >the cloud. A very exciting finish to the school holidays as I'm back to
> >school tomorrow :(
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:07:02 +1100
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Hi Blair,

That is interesting. It must have been the 1982 day. I find that very 
unusual as I recall my father coming home on one of those days as it was 
way way too hot working on the roads. This had never happened knowing the 
tolerances such worked have for heat and not going home. The day before we 
were at Bulli and it was quite hot as well.

Now if it weren't a Monday, were there any extremely hot days in later 
January 1981, 1980, 1982 that seems to match the observations. Perhaps I 
got it wrong and thought it was much hotter than it really was. My belief 
was that there was not much in the way of winds that day but the radiation 
and heat was extremely intense. The reason I said perhaps not Monday is it 
may have been a public holiday perhaps Australia Day and the hot day was a 
day after.

Now, more importantly, what was the record maximum temperature for the 
Sydney region and and east of the Great Dividing Range.

Jimmy Deguara

At 05:38 PM 30/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Checking the data for Richmond, there was no day over 40 in the summer
>of 1980/81 (although there were two in November 1980).
>
>In January 1979 there was 42.9 on the 9th of January and 44.1 on
>the 10th (and two other days over 40). In 1980 there was a 43.4 on
>21 February, a 41.6 on the 1st and 41.2 on January 18. However, none
>of these days was a Monday, so I'm at a bit of a loss to reconcile
>Jimmy's comments with the data.
>
>The only plausible Monday candidate around this time would seem
>to be 25 January 1982 (41.6 at Richmond).
>
>Blair
>
> > No Keith I recall those days when I was still in Primary school - 
> extremely
> > hot. I still recall the news bulletin. But this was in 1981 definite about
> > that and it was  Monday. I recall my father and uncle having to come home
> > as they used to work out as labourers. They had the tools in the water and
> > it was too hot to handle them they were asked to go home.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 08:57 PM 15/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
> > >Jimmy,
> > >Would you be thinking of January 1979, when there were 2 consecutive
> > >days over 40? Here I recorded 43.6 and 44.3 on the 9th and 10th January
> > >1979 respectively, as well as 42.5 on the 6th and 40.5 on the 14th,
> > >although I think I only had a slatted screen in those days so they're
> > >probably off by a degree or so. Don't know about other places.
> > >Today of course that record was broken (I wouldn't say shattered)..44.9
> > >which according to my calcs is a 1 in 34 year event for January.
> > >The southerly has brought branches and other assorted debris down (as
> > >noted already elsewhere) and here I recorded a barometer rise of 7 Hpa
> > >in about 30 minutes.
> > >Wind is starting to ease off.
> > >
> > >Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > It seems we have matched it with the best in the state today here in
> > > > Western Sydney. Temperatures got to around 46C if you take 
> precautions of
> > > > measuring the temperature in the shade away from buildings and over 
> grass.
> > > > Of course if you measure in areas affected by buildings or the hot 
> ground
> > > > it would get higher.
> > > >
> > > > What I wanted to know was what was the high temperature in 1981 
> when it hit
> > > > an extreme similar to today. Was it higher or lower than today. 
> What was
> > > > the record in Sydney and also the eastern side of the ranges..
> > > >
> > > > I always wanted to know.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > > NSW Australia
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:23:11 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] hail falls

Jimmy,

I think you will find that the dry air you refer to is associated with
cooler air as well which would of course aid in hail development.

As for the hail falling in elevated regions, Anthony Cornelius pointed out
to me something quite obvious a few weeks ago which I had never really
thought about.  In a nutshell, if you are at 1000m above sea level you have
basically reduced the freezing level where you are by 3000ft (or 1000m).
Thus, when the lower layers are relatively warm, the hail ususally melts
before reaching the ground, but 3000ft up the hail has less distance to fall
and doesn't melt and hail falls to the ground.  (i think this is right -
please correct me if not).

Regards,

Andrew McDonald



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> Hi SG,
>
> Take it to an ASWA meeting SG. I am sure they would certainly appreciate
it
> :). Well I will leave that up to Andrew and Kathy.
>
> Weatherwise, there are storms to the N but it seems that although there is
> a little more likelihood of hail, the conditions are more of the same as
we
> had in Sydney yesterday. My believe that a drier air aloft is extremely
> important feature related to severe storms - particularly hail producing
> storms. It seems hail is falling in most of the elevated regions and this
> is where most storms are developing. I also think that the SE wind has
> spoilt the chance for ideal thunderstorms in the Northern Rivers - I
> suppose good rainfall is possible. Don't quote me as I haven't checked the
> models today.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 04:18 PM 28/01/01 +1030, you wrote:
> >I was unable to take any photos because my camera ran out of film the day
> >before.  I did get some video footage though, but not much only the
> >rotation.  My VCR is not working at the moment so I am unable to see the
> >qualitly of the small amount of footage I took.  If it is good quality I
> >will try to transfer it to the internet, this may take quite a while if
my
> >VCR doesn't start to work!  By the way is there anyway of transfering
video
> >footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just
have a
> >sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
> >digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:37:08 +1000
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Tornado photos

Holy f***ing hell!!!  IT'S A MONSTER MB!!!!!!!!!

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AC

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My pics are up:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-02.htm
> 
> quite an evolution in size over a couple of minutes.
> 
> regards, Michael
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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 19:43:25 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a quick example of a situation.&nbsp; Matt 
Smith, Anthony Cornelius and myself were chasing on the 6th December 2000 and we 
encountered a hailstorm on the Putty Road (which runs from Western Sydney to 
Singleton in the Hunter) with hail ranging from 1-3.5cm and then later 
encountered hail up to 4.5cm on the sides of the road.&nbsp; We made it off the 
Putty Road before the storm and we had the message to the Bureau before the 
storm hit any populated areas.&nbsp; I have no idea whether this information was 
used in a timely manner but you can see from this that had the storm hit 
Singleton for example the Bureau would've been able to alert an SES team to the 
fact that hailstones large enough to smash windows etc had been reported and to 
expect some calls of damage in the next hour or so.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Unfortunately there are also expamles where the BoM 
didn't use the information provided to them (one being April 14 event) but I 
think they have learnt from this type of event to take a little more notice of 
spotter reports.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Macca.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:Lester_Daniel at Hotmail.com" 
  title=Lester_Daniel at Hotmail.com>Daniel Lester</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at egroups.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at egroups.com>aussie-weather at egroups.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:39 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / 
  chaser interaction</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P><BR><BR></P>Hi all, </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>BOM/Chaser interaction should be encouraged by the Bom after all they're 
  getting something for nothing. My view is that we/you should ring the Bom at 
  times when the weather has become nasty and they are occupied doing other 
  things like:</DIV>
  <DIV>a) answer the incoming calls, 
  <DIV></DIV>b) brief the SES on the situation, and 
  <DIV></DIV>c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order) </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>But a better system of working would be to catch possible severe weather 
  before it strikes by using the spotters and chasers for specific info, thus 
  resources could be organized and deployed&nbsp;before or as the weather 
  strikes instead of taking extra time after the event. This way people badly 
  affected with storm damaged would have help on hand almost immeadiately. On 
  top of this more specific warnings could be issued and more detailed info 
  could be passed onto the general public. This would enable people to be better 
  prepared as most people take the attitude "It won't happen to me" but if a 
  Severe Thunderstorm Warning was issued for certain towns then more people 
  would take notice and do something about it would would cut the damage 
  bill.</DIV>
  <DIV>I have managed to sway the Bom&nbsp;once, I could tell it was snowing 
  lower than there road weather alert warned of so I emailed them, within the 
  hour the warning had changed. I wasn't sure whether it would have an effect on 
  them but I was pleased to see they were prepared to listen.</DIV>
  <DIV>So I reckon the best solution is to use the spotters to pick where the 
  weather is likely to hit and work from there rather than waiting for something 
  to happen then taking reports to help them update there forecasts. Obviously 
  reports as the storms strike are still useful in monotoring whats happening 
  but in many cases it may be too late for some people to find out about 
  possible severe storms just as a storm hits them.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Daniel</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: Jimmy Deguara <JDEGUARA at IHUG.COM.AU>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: aussie-weather at egroups.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: aussie-weather at egroups.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] BoM / chaser interaction 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:50:15 +1100 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Hi Jane, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I will comment on your e-mail in sections 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;At 09:25 PM 22/01/01 +1100, you wrote: 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Michael &amp; all, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I guess a lot of what happens at the BoM's end depends on 
  how many phones they 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;are answering &amp; tasks they are carrying out at the 
  time. This is where I 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;think 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;that spotters ringing in is so incredibly useful - there's 
  a fair chance that 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;the BoM guys don't have much of a chance to ring out. On 
  at least one day 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;when 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I rang Severe Wx (Melb) to report large hail near 
  Tallarook on behalf of 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Macca, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;they (the guys in Severe Wx) wouldn't have had time to 
  ring out as at the time 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;they were hard pressed to 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;a) answer the incoming calls, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;b) brief the SES on the situation, and 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;c) monitor the situation (not necessarily in that order) 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I do understand that the Sydney Severe Weather Section 
  personnel "believe 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;or perhaps joke about" (and perhaps they are) the busiest in 
  the nation. So 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;they have to "direct their resources" as you mention above and 
  we have to 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;contact them. This can prove difficult as if I am in pursuit 
  and out of 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;range of mobile, then I may not be able to. This is when the 
  storm is in 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;operation.. I have in a couple of occasions relayed information 
  via someone 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;else to send through.. However, what about in the developing 
  stage. I think 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;a lot can be gained from interaction between both parties here. 

  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;I think the main priority is for registered storm spotters 
  to contact the BoM 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;(not the other way around) - I think Paul Yole's idea of 
  putting the contact 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;numbers for each state up on the ASWA page is an excellent 
  one). 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Certainly, if the BoM has half a chance and they are aware 
  of someone in the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;area of interest, they can contact them (as has happened 
  in Victoria more than 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;once) to ask that if they observe a particular area or 
  suspected development 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;could they report it in immediately, but it depends on the 
  manpower available 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and the situation. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I can tell you now Jane, policies differ in different states. I 
  will throw 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;a party if the BoM Severe Weather Section in Sydney EVER 
  contact a storm 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;chaser (mobile storm spotter). The legal liability is the 
  reason they give 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;which is fair enough. However, I don't expect them to ring us 
  to tell us 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;where to go. I have said this time and time again. I believe 
  just receiving 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;reports from a mobile storm spotter basis is so helpful and 
  covers more 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;territory as Michael has suggested. But I don't think they will 
  even do 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;this. This is a shame as the amount of reports I have handed to 
  the Bureau 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;is minimal. I have to "direct my resources" in writing up 
  reports etc and 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;chasing storms. They have available detailed information in the 
  reports 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;after the events. But are they supporting storm chasing by 
  getting 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;information off storm chasers' sites? Do they have the time? 
  Should we put 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;together a summary and send them or do we send a hell of a lot 
  of spotter 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;cards for each storm we experience. Now if we don't experience 
  it then it 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;cannot be included ie very heavy rainfall, large hail, very 
  strong winds. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;It is the aftermath that may help. But again is this 
  encouraged? 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;It is the real time data though that is what they need more of. 
  I think the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;development stage is so crucial. But is our judgement trusted? 
  I sometimes 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;wonder. Do we get these wall clouds we have claimed 
  particularly in the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;last couple of years? I think turning up to ASWA meetings or 
  perhaps 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;arranging special meetings when they are available during the 
  season or the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;off-season will help prove or disprove this. I am quite happy 
  to do that... 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;As to the real time data, I think the idea of setting up a 
  radio network as 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Glen O'Riley suggested that can cover the entire state for 
  those that can 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;afford it is an excellent way of disseminating information to 
  the Bureau. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;The Bureau here in Sydney were going to do it some years back 
  but I suppose 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;funding is the problem. ASWA can set it up if we decide this is 
  the go, but 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;is the Bureau interested in having this information and some 
  sort of 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;receiver given to them so that they know what is going on. Well 
  I will 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;leave this up to them to comment. I think a phone number 
  separate from the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;normal 1800 number is another possibility and it should be 
  separate from 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;their personal ones or others that are available. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Maybe if anyone is going to be out in the field that they 
  make the Severe Wx 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;area in their state aware of this when they let the list 
  know (do the 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Severe Wx 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;areas in each state have a dedicated email address? and 
  would they be 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;interested?) I ring BoM Severe Wx in Victoria if I'm going 
  out in the field 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;and there is a likelihood of encountering severe weather 
  to let them know 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&amp; and 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;this has always been appreciated. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I will ring the BoM here if they have an interest but at this 
  stage like I 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;said, they legally aren't... not "field information" just 
  spotter reports 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;as they feel they are condoning storm chasing. I seriously just 
  don't have 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;the time to send reports of spotter cards. I think the 
  information 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;mentioned on this list and in our reports are far more detailed 
  and give a 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;better picture than what is mentioned on spotter cards. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Jane 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Michael Bath wrote: 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;<SNIP> 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I seriously don't know what is the answer to all this. The 
  radio idea 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;mentioned above? I know for a fact we are dedicated spotters 
  and storm 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;chasers. What works well in the United States which is where 
  this concept came? 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I recall Blair mentioning and also you Jane in this e-mail, the 
  problem of 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;having too many phone calls coming through. Is it a good idea 
  to have too 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;many spotters especially in any one town? I think this is the 
  issue as 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;worked out in Queensland. Those that are not interested in 
  spotting should 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;be wiped off the spotter list - a survey will help in this 
  regards. But you 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;have to keep in contact with those that maintain an interest. 
  Apparently, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;this is now being looked into which is encouraging. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Like I said in a previous e-mail, it would be great if a 
  committee be set 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;up between the Bureau, AMOS and ASWA members to try and think 
  of ways to 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;improve the spotter network. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Jimmy Deguara 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; What would the BoM like from chasers? 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; What do other people think on this issue? 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; regards, Michael 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;-------------------------------- 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Jane ONeill - Melbourne 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;cadence at stormchasers.au.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;Melbourne Storm Chasers 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.stormchasers.au.com 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;ASWA - Victoria 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;http://www.severeweather.asn.au 
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;----------------------------------------- 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Jimmy Deguara 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;from 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Schofields, Sydney 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;NSW Australia 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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Hi all,

just checking out the Cyclone in WA and noticed something I thought a bit
funny. I've always believed that Cyclones have high rain rates associated
with them. If this is the case, why does the radar image of Terri only show
rain rates of no more than 10 mm/hr??? Are the massive dumps of rain only
associated with some Cyclones? OPnly Cyclones of certain intensities??

Cheers
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Brad,

I saw this cell developing at around 7:30 this morning just before I headed off
to work. Lightning was visible at around 7:50am. I started work at 8 and did the
usual early morning stuff and cause it was such a quiet day I headed up onto the
rooftop carpark of the shopping centre and sat there watching it for a hour of
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jump across the base of 3 separate cells, was awesome hearing thunder coming
from all directions :-))

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] OBS: NSW heat and records -- and the buster

Bourke reported 52.8 on 17 January 1877 - now discounted; Brewarrina and
condobolin both have listed as a record temp  48.9 - dates unknown? Any
comments Blair?
Cambelltown has 45.8 on 10 January 1979 as a pretty hot day in the
Sydney basin. 
The bureau also lists 48.4 at Richmond Ag college and Jerty's Plains
49.2 as record east of ranges temp - both undated - any comments, Blair? 
What do we know about Walgett's 50.1 on 2 January 1903, Wilcannia's 50.1
on 11 Jan 1939 (feasible given the date) or the listed and undated 51.1
at White Cliffs!
Finally, Liverpool's 45.8 on 1 Feb 1977 always seemed too high but was
it substantiated?

Don White

Blair Trewin wrote:
> 
> >
> > A bit of a cliff-hanger. White Cliffs reported a max temp to 3pm of
> > 48. It holds the record for highest temp in NSW at 48.6 (accepting
> > Blair's practice of not recognising the non-standard 51.7 measured at
> > Bourke). We won't know until tomorrow whether the temp rose further,
> > and what the decimal point is, as White Cliffs is a 9 and 3 manual
> > reporting station. Temperatures at Tibooburra and Wilcannia, the only
> > AWSs vaguely in the same area, both dropped after 3pm, but Cobar Town
> > AWS rose from 45.0 at 3pm to 46.3 half an hour later, before dropping
> > slowly away.
> >
> 
> A minor correction: I discount the 51.7 because of a clerical error
> (on the paper documents you can clearly see the 125 F crossed out
> and replaced with 112, which matches with the 110 at 3 p.m.), not
> because of non-standard instruments (Bourke had a Stevenson screen
> by 1909). There is also a 52.8 at Bourke in 1877 (from memory) which
> was measured under very non-standard conditions (like under a tin
> verandah, a common practice in NSW at the time).
> 
> On reading the diaries of Henry Russell (the NSW government
> meteorologist at the time), there were also some other very high
> measurements made around this time, including one of 53.3 at
> Wanaaring in 1891. Russell didn't take these terribly seriously
> and neither do I. (In fact, he had quite a bit to say in various
> newspaper articles - there was a lengthy exchange of correspondence
> in the 'Echo' in around 1882 - about the effect of instrument
> exposure on measured temperature).
> 
> Blair
> 
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Cyclones - rain rates

Hi group........

9.50pm Eastern Time Tuesday night 30 Jan.............and looking at the Port
Headland loop Terri seems to be almost stationary, but showing erratic
movements to the Sth-West and South. The current dodgy ruler on the screen
trick says that the folks around Roebourne  should beware :)

Max


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> Hi all,
>
> just checking out the Cyclone in WA and noticed something I thought a bit
> funny. I've always believed that Cyclones have high rain rates associated
> with them. If this is the case, why does the radar image of Terri only
show
> rain rates of no more than 10 mm/hr??? Are the massive dumps of rain only
> associated with some Cyclones? OPnly Cyclones of certain intensities??
>
> Cheers
> Thrax
>
>
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Michael,
Those are AMAZING pictures!!!!!!!!  Have you managed to do a damage
track over the other side of the valley?

...and on another note after Jimmy's email re reporting severe
weather...do people fill out the BoM report cards when you report a
storm to the BoM - do you ring as well or just post in your report?

I forget to fill in BoM report cards, but I do report in by phone at the
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Howdy all. Seeing all the comments etc re: yahoo groups and takeovers etc,
The Weather Company has offered a mail server for a Aussie Weather Mailing
list. The reply times are instantaneous!! There are no complicated
intellectual property issues - and best of all we are supporting a Aussie
Weather Company!!!

They will not moderate the list - they are providing this facility
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The subscription address is:

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Right...the same people who flamed me for taking charge of something I
was given permission to do, have now gone ahead and done the same thing
and trying to take over the aus-wx list???

Oh - I'm just mildly annoyed...(understatement of the century)

Unmoderated list?  That's asking for trouble.

What the HELL is going on???

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> The Weather Company has offered a mail server for a Aussie Weather Mailing
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> 
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> 
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> 
> aussie-weather-subscribe at theweather.com.au
> 
> Its easy, free & quick!! Gotta like that!! And it requires NONE of your
> personal details!! Its us weather freaks all by ourselves!!
> 
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HI Anthony -

1stly - I didn't flame you about anything to do with the egroups list. I
seem to remember I was in the 1st 10 people to join..... and did so quite
happily.

2ndly - dont shoot the messenger. I did not have anything to do with the
start of this list or the management of it. I was just asked to make it
known - to ascertain the viability of it. It just presents an alternative
that is worthy of consideration......

Thats all.

Paul in Darwin.

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Right...the same people who flamed me for taking charge of something I
was given permission to do, have now gone ahead and done the same thing
and trying to take over the aus-wx list???

Oh - I'm just mildly annoyed...(understatement of the century)

Unmoderated list?  That's asking for trouble.

What the HELL is going on???

Paul Mossman wrote:
>
> Howdy all. Seeing all the comments etc re: yahoo groups and takeovers etc,
> The Weather Company has offered a mail server for a Aussie Weather Mailing
> list. The reply times are instantaneous!! There are no complicated
> intellectual property issues - and best of all we are supporting a Aussie
> Weather Company!!!
>
> They will not moderate the list - they are providing this facility
> free-of-charge!!
>
> The subscription address is:
>
> aussie-weather-subscribe at theweather.com.au
>
> Its easy, free & quick!! Gotta like that!! And it requires NONE of your
> personal details!! Its us weather freaks all by ourselves!!
>
> Cmon & support an Australian company!!
>
> Rgds, Paul.
>
>
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Paul:

This was NOT directed at you, more so Mark Hardy/TWC - I was quite aware
you were asked to do this, no one would have done this on their own
accord.

Everyone talks about Yahoo taking over everything...what about TWC??? 
Trying to become very monopolistic with Australia's weather data/sources
by taking control.  Yet no one has complained about them.  

Please note these thoughts have NOTHING to do with any organisations I
am associated with.  They are my own individual thoughts.

Thanks for correcting my topic spelling.

AC

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> HI Anthony -
> 
> 1stly - I didn't flame you about anything to do with the egroups list. I
> seem to remember I was in the 1st 10 people to join..... and did so quite
> happily.
> 
> 2ndly - dont shoot the messenger. I did not have anything to do with the
> start of this list or the management of it. I was just asked to make it
> known - to ascertain the viability of it. It just presents an alternative
> that is worthy of consideration......
> 
> Thats all.
> 
> Paul in Darwin.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Cornelius [mailto:cyclone at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2001 10:11 PM
> To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [aussie-weather] Talk about hipocrits
> 
> Right...the same people who flamed me for taking charge of something I
> was given permission to do, have now gone ahead and done the same thing
> and trying to take over the aus-wx list???
> 
> Oh - I'm just mildly annoyed...(understatement of the century)
> 
> Unmoderated list?  That's asking for trouble.
> 
> What the HELL is going on???
> 
> Paul Mossman wrote:
> >
> > Howdy all. Seeing all the comments etc re: yahoo groups and takeovers etc,
> > The Weather Company has offered a mail server for a Aussie Weather Mailing
> > list. The reply times are instantaneous!! There are no complicated
> > intellectual property issues - and best of all we are supporting a Aussie
> > Weather Company!!!
> >
> > They will not moderate the list - they are providing this facility
> > free-of-charge!!
> >
> > The subscription address is:
> >
> > aussie-weather-subscribe at theweather.com.au
> >
> > Its easy, free & quick!! Gotta like that!! And it requires NONE of your
> > personal details!! Its us weather freaks all by ourselves!!
> >
> > Cmon & support an Australian company!!
> >
> > Rgds, Paul.
> >
> >
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Hi Anthony,

Your welcome! (re: spelling)

:)

Rgds, Paul.

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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Talk about hypocrites


Paul:

This was NOT directed at you, more so Mark Hardy/TWC - I was quite aware
you were asked to do this, no one would have done this on their own
accord.

Everyone talks about Yahoo taking over everything...what about TWC???
Trying to become very monopolistic with Australia's weather data/sources
by taking control.  Yet no one has complained about them.

Please note these thoughts have NOTHING to do with any organisations I
am associated with.  They are my own individual thoughts.

Thanks for correcting my topic spelling.

AC

Paul Mossman wrote:
>
> HI Anthony -
>
> 1stly - I didn't flame you about anything to do with the egroups list. I
> seem to remember I was in the 1st 10 people to join..... and did so quite
> happily.
>
> 2ndly - dont shoot the messenger. I did not have anything to do with the
> start of this list or the management of it. I was just asked to make it
> known - to ascertain the viability of it. It just presents an alternative
> that is worthy of consideration......
>
> Thats all.
>
> Paul in Darwin.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Cornelius [mailto:cyclone at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2001 10:11 PM
> To: aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [aussie-weather] Talk about hipocrits
>
> Right...the same people who flamed me for taking charge of something I
> was given permission to do, have now gone ahead and done the same thing
> and trying to take over the aus-wx list???
>
> Oh - I'm just mildly annoyed...(understatement of the century)
>
> Unmoderated list?  That's asking for trouble.
>
> What the HELL is going on???
>
> Paul Mossman wrote:
> >
> > Howdy all. Seeing all the comments etc re: yahoo groups and takeovers
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To everyone who has read this - after cooling down a little I apologise
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Hi All.

TC Terri is continuing to intensify and looks like it is headed for Port
Hedland - see latest BoM warning below.

Regards,
Carl.

>IDW50W05
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>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
>
>PRIORITY
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>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 14
>Issued at 9:55 pm WST on Tuesday, 30 January 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A CYCLONE WARNING is current for coastal areas between Wallal and Dampier.
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>At 9pm WST Tropical Cyclone Terri was located 245 kilometres northnortheast of
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>southsouthwest at
>15 kilometres per hour.
>
>The cyclone is expected to intensify and move closer to the Pilbara coast
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>Details of Tropical Cyclone Terri at 9pm WST.
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>  Location of centre : within 60 kilometres of
>                       Latitude 18.2 South Longitude 119.2 East.
>  Recent movement    : Southsouthwest at 15 kilometres per hour.
>  Central Pressure   : 980 hPa.
>  Maximum wind gusts : 140 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>  Severity category  : 2
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Michael Bath wrote:

> > Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !
> >
> > I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in
> > front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft
being
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                        >>and much more.....

Indeed, a great series of photos!!  The environment dose appear to be one
characterized by a low LFC (Level of Free Convection), which, as you
remember is the environmental parameter most correlated with tornado
occurrence.

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Andrew McDonald wrote:

> I think you will find that the dry air you refer to is associated with
> cooler air as well which would of course aid in hail development.

Falling hailstones experience what is called the wet bulb temperature owing
to evaporating ice from the surface of the hailstones.  The environment
most conducive to large surface hail is one with a wet bulb zero (wet bulb
at freezing [or below for that matter]) between 10,500 feet and about 7000
feet.  If it is too low, the environment is too cold for strong updrafts
and if it is too high then hail will melt appreciably as it falls.

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> > Hi all,
> > 
> > My pics are up:
> > http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-02.htm
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> > quite an evolution in size over a couple of minutes.

The radar loop was revealing.  The "storm" you note is anything but
supercellular.  The "hook echo" you note is created by two adjacent shower
echoes.  In all likelihood, owing to the distance to the echoes and radar
horizon, the radar is illuminating the shower aloft above the location of
what is a "landspout" tornado.  What is unusual about this when considering
this as a landspout is the existence of a funnel extending to the surface
and the size of the funnel.  Both are unusual for a "landspout".  

Les

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What's the deal?  This sounds like a great idea to me.  Why get into this
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This is great!  Can we do this instead?  If so, how quickly and when do we
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Anthony wrote:

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> 
> Apologies once more.
> 
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Thank you for this apology.  Handling it in private and diplomatically is
definitely the best.

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Hi Andrew,

Yes you are correct about that observation hail being more probable in 
elevated regions. But drier air aloft to me is an extremely important 
attribute for spectacular and most severe storms particularly involving 
hail as it enhances cooling due to evaporative cooling. I mean, Casino is 
not that elevated and it copped hail size of cricket balls. Of course the 
updraughts were extremely strong but enhanced evaporative cooling is 
significant in severe thunderstorms particularly those with hail. Of course 
if the air aloft was extremely cold and you have thunderstorms, hail is 
still probable.

Just a thought. This was another reason I believe why the BoM did not 
expect too much in the way of hail in the storms as well as the warmer 
conditions aloft. Now Sydney also copped storms this afternoon 30th January 
and I believe the air at 500 was cooler than in the environment causing the 
storms on Sunday 28th. I would say that hail was less likely due to too 
much moisture within the mid layers and we copped a lot of rain instead.

Jimmy Deguara


At 06:23 PM 30/01/01 +1100, you wrote:
>Jimmy,
>
>I think you will find that the dry air you refer to is associated with
>cooler air as well which would of course aid in hail development.
>
>As for the hail falling in elevated regions, Anthony Cornelius pointed out
>to me something quite obvious a few weeks ago which I had never really
>thought about.  In a nutshell, if you are at 1000m above sea level you have
>basically reduced the freezing level where you are by 3000ft (or 1000m).
>Thus, when the lower layers are relatively warm, the hail ususally melts
>before reaching the ground, but 3000ft up the hail has less distance to fall
>and doesn't melt and hail falls to the ground.  (i think this is right -
>please correct me if not).
>
>Regards,
>
>Andrew McDonald
>
>
>
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>From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
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>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 4:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Possible supercell yesterday in Adelaide???
>
>
> > Hi SG,
> >
> > Take it to an ASWA meeting SG. I am sure they would certainly appreciate
>it
> > :). Well I will leave that up to Andrew and Kathy.
> >
> > Weatherwise, there are storms to the N but it seems that although there is
> > a little more likelihood of hail, the conditions are more of the same as
>we
> > had in Sydney yesterday. My believe that a drier air aloft is extremely
> > important feature related to severe storms - particularly hail producing
> > storms. It seems hail is falling in most of the elevated regions and this
> > is where most storms are developing. I also think that the SE wind has
> > spoilt the chance for ideal thunderstorms in the Northern Rivers - I
> > suppose good rainfall is possible. Don't quote me as I haven't checked the
> > models today.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 04:18 PM 28/01/01 +1030, you wrote:
> > >I was unable to take any photos because my camera ran out of film the day
> > >before.  I did get some video footage though, but not much only the
> > >rotation.  My VCR is not working at the moment so I am unable to see the
> > >qualitly of the small amount of footage I took.  If it is good quality I
> > >will try to transfer it to the internet, this may take quite a while if
>my
> > >VCR doesn't start to work!  By the way is there anyway of transfering
>video
> > >footage to your computer if your video camera is not digital?  I just
>have a
> > >sony handycam and I doubt transfer is possible.  I really wish I had a
> > >digital photo taking camera it would make things really easy!
> > >
> > >
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> > NSW Australia
> >
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> >
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> >
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At 10:40 AM 30/01/01 -0500, you wrote:
>> Howdy all. Seeing all the comments etc re: yahoo groups and takeovers
>etc,
>Paul wrote:
>
>> The Weather Company has offered a mail server for a Aussie Weather
>Mailing
>> list. The reply times are instantaneous!! There are no complicated
>> intellectual property issues - and best of all we are supporting a Aussie
>> Weather Company!!!
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>> They will not moderate the list - they are providing this facility
>> free-of-charge!!
>> 
>> The subscription address is:
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>> aussie-weather-subscribe at theweather.com.au
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>> Its easy, free & quick!! Gotta like that!! And it requires NONE of your
>> personal details!! Its us weather freaks all by ourselves!!
>> 
>> Cmon & support an Australian company!!
>> 
>> Rgds, Paul.
>
>This is great!  Can we do this instead?  If so, how quickly and when do we
>use the above subscription?
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Its bad enough with 2 lists, the last thing we need is another one.

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>
>Its bad enough with 2 lists, the last thing we need is another one.
>
>Jacob

I partially agree with this - it wouldn't be so great to have 3 lists going 
at once. Wouldn't it be preferable to have some sort of vote amongst 
members of the list as to which option we should follow, and then go with 
the majority decision? Before having the vote, a short period of debate as 
to the alternatives would be a good idea.

As for my opinion, I can totally understand people's problems with the way 
yahoo is doing business, and I for one do not wish to support such a 
company. There is no reasonable justification for their rules regarding 
ownership of copyright, registration etc. On the other hand, before rushing 
to accept the offer from theweather.com.au we should consider possible 
problems that might come up there. For example, how would theweather.com.au 
respond to people on the aussie-weather list criticising the company? If we 
could make a list of such concerns, and have them addressed by someone from 
theweather.com.au, that would put us in a better place to make a decision.

The last thing we want is to fragment this great weather list into multiple 
parts, but in making a decision as to where to host the list, we do not 
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that the grass was not, in fact, greener on the other side of the fence.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] Sydney Rainfall and Flash Flooding

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<DIV><FONT size=2>Well i am not sure if many know, but sydney has been 
absolutely pounded with torrential rain overnight, some centres recording 80mm 
or so. THere is widespread flashflooding, landslides, 12 car pile ups. 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>I can't remember rain figures quite like these.</FONT></DIV>
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    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>99</TD>
    <TD align=middle>S</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>5</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1017.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>125.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1017.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>131.6</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:49</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>99</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SSW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>29</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>43</TD>
    <TD align=middle>23</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>21.4</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Camden Ap AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>99</TD>
    <TD align=middle>S</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1016.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.0</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Canberra Ap AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>80</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1020.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Cannae Pt AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>5</TD>
    <TD align=middle>3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Canterbury R/Crse</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>97</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>107.8</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Clarke Is AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>31</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Gosford AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>99</TD>
    <TD align=middle>N</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>21.4</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Helensburg AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>- -</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Holsworthy AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SSW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>5</TD>
    <TD align=middle>3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>125.6</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Homebush AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>95</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>26</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>97.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Horsley Pk EC AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>- -</TD>
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    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Kurnell AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Little Bay AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Lucas Hts <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:45</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SSE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1017.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>124.0</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Mangrove Mt AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98</TD>
    <TD align=middle>S</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>5</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16.6</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Middle Hd AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Mt Boyce AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>100</TD>
    <TD align=middle>E</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>28</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>29.6</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Norah Hd AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>91</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SSE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1015.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.2</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>North Hd AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>29</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>44</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Observatory Hill</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1016.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>104.4</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Penrith AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>100</TD>
    <TD align=middle>WSW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>72.8</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Quakers Hill AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>- -</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Richmond Ap AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>100</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SSW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1016.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24.0</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Shark Is AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>25</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>33</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>South Hd AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>E</TD>
    <TD align=middle>29</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>41</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Sydney Ap AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:49</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>94</TD>
    <TD align=middle>SE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>28</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1015.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98.0</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Sydney Hb AWS</TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:50</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>ESE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>25</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>31</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=left noWrap>Terrey Hills AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>- -</TD>
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    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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    <TD align=left noWrap>Tuggeranong AWS <SUP><B>×</B></SUP></TD>
    <TD align=middle noWrap>31 06:30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>77</TD>
    <TD align=middle>E</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1019.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>____________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead<BR><A 
href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>============================<BR>SYDNEY 
STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
href="http://www.sydneystormchasers.com">http://www.sydneystormchasers.com</A><BR>============================</FONT></DIV>
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Paul,

This is the first that I have seen of this list, but given the split that the aussie weather community has seemed to have in recent times it certainly should give us a chance to get back onto one list. I for one am in big favour of this list, and am very appreciative of the weather company for it's support in setting it up for us. As soon as others start to sign up, I'll be there with bells on. Looking forward to seeing one list.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] super cell definitions.


David wrote:

> With the discussion about super cells/pulse cells, I think an important
> point to make is that super-cells are not defined in terms of the
severity
> of the weather they produce, but rather by the dynamics/organisation. A
> super cells is simply "a thunderstorm with an intense, deep and
persistent
> rotating updraft" The rotation of the storms comes out of the shear in
the
> environment and allows the separation of the up and down drafts, allowing
> the storm to exist much longer than the average non super cell which
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> its self through the interference between up and down drafts. 
> 

All, 

David is correct.  With one exception, in my opinion.  The supercell is a
thunderstorm having a deep persistent mesocyclone.  The difference is that
the mesocyclone *is not* a rotating updraft.  The warm sector, ahead of the
gust front and on the front side of the mesocyclone is the updraft.  To the
rear of the gust front structure and on the back side of the mesocyclone is
the rear flank downdraft.  You will note that my paper that Jane posted on
her web site discuses this analog between the extra-tropical cyclone and
the mesocyclone.  Lemon and Doswell (1979) discusses this in detail as
well.  However, despite these papers and considerably more evidence, the
"rotating updraft" is still the paradigm most often cited, almost as a
"knee Jerk" response.  This, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

When I am able I will get Lemon and Doswell up on the web and that should
help elucidate this and the supercell definition.  Characteristics of the
supercell include a low-level echo exhibiting rather high reflectivities,
the echo core commonly displaced toward a storm flank.  That flank is thus
characterized by a strong reflectivity gradient and is sometimes concaved
being open to the direction from which the storm relative low-level winds
approach the storm.  In the northern hemisphere this is often the
right-rear echo flank, or the southwest portion of the echo.  In the
southern hemisphere these characteristics are commonly found on the
left-rear or northwest echo flank.  The echo summit is most often found
above the strong reflectivity gradient or the apex of the notch as well as
a "Weak Echo Region".  Of course, these characteristics can not be located
and verified unless the radar is operated in a "volume scanning" mode.

Please see the following urls showing the northern hemisphere model:

http://weather.cod.edu/sirvatka/lt.html  but also please look at the other
notes:

http://weather.cod.edu/notes/es115.outline.html

South Africa has the schematics shown for the southern hemisphere. 
However, the url is not now working.  When I find the working url for the
radar schematics, I will post that.

But please note, the BWER is not associated with rotation.  That is
sometimes stated.  Supercell storms do not have to have long lives to be
noted as such nor must they be 'steady state'.  Actually supercells are
more often long lived but there are so many other environmental and
internal storm scale controls of storm sustenance, that life time can not
be part of the definition.  In fact, a very important stage in a supercells
life is its 'collapse stage'.  During the collapse phase the well defined
reflectivity structures including the BWER and hook echo disappear and the
echo top subsides markedly.  But it is during that stage when the storm is
most likely to produce large damaging tornadoes and very strong downbursts.

> In Aus. pulse storms, which are ordinary storms which briefly exhibit
strong
> updrafts (often greater than 30m/s) are responsible for a lot of the
> reported storm damage, and are particularly prone to produce large hail
and
> damaging straight line winds. The weather produced by a pulse storm can
be
> as bad or worse than that produced by a super cell, but the lack of
> organisation in a pulse storm means these do not last very long.

I am somewhat confused about what are called "pulse storms" on this list
and that we call pulse storms here.  Don Burgess and myself coined that
term to apply to a class of storms that occur in an environment
characterized by deep moisture, weak environmental shear throughout the
storm bearing layer, and rather large CAPE.  These are truly short lived,
especially the severe events which may last only 10 to 15 minutes.  The
pulse may be a member of a multicellular complex or cluster.  However, in
cases where the shear is greater and significant, the most common severe
storm is the multicellular cluster.  The environment is characterized by
considerable low level moist, unstable air (moderate to high CAPE) and deep
layer shear.  Not uncommonly the mid-levels are dry and have steep lapse
rates sometimes near dry adiabatic.  Severe weather is episodic, occurring
with each new cumulus tower which matures on the updraft flank of the
storm.

I have also written a tech memo and conference papers dealing with the
structure and life cycles of varying storm types.  In addition, my radar
and severe storm seminar contains this and much more information.

Les

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Thanks for everyone's comments on this. Pretty weird seeing it come out of 
a large congetus / weak Cb calvus rather than the beasts we all love to chase!

I have not been over to the hill yet due to illness, but will. The big 
problem is the location where the tornado is touching the hill there are no 
roads, but I'll check what can be seen closer up.

Phone call severe weather reports to the NSW BoM do NOT end up in their 
database as far as I can tell - only the card reports are :-(
I put URLs with the card reports but never receive any comment so don't 
know if they look.

MB


At 22:24 30/01/2001 +1100, you wrote:
>Michael,
>Those are AMAZING pictures!!!!!!!!  Have you managed to do a damage
>track over the other side of the valley?
>
>...and on another note after Jimmy's email re reporting severe
>weather...do people fill out the BoM report cards when you report a
>storm to the BoM - do you ring as well or just post in your report?
>
>I forget to fill in BoM report cards, but I do report in by phone at the
>time & they've never missed filing any of my reports (or anyone else's
>in Victoria that I'm aware of).  I also send them the URL of any reports
>of severe weather that appear on the MSC site & I know that they do
>check them out (both from the Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page
>& the reports & photos that we put up).
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
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>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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Unfortunately this has grown out of control from what was intended.

The Weather Companys idea here was to set up a small trial to see if our
mail server could handle the load of also providing the list as a service to
the Australian weather community. If this trial was succesful we were
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Anyone else find funny the note at the bottom of the WA observations page? 
It says:

* This is an automatic weather station which does not report weather or cloud

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>Michael Bath wrote:
>
>> > Yes, I'm shocked by this but it's true !
>> >
>> > I was watching a very large cumulus cell develop in the valley just in
>> > front of our house at McLeans Ridges around 3.30pm, the main updraft
>being
>> > perhaps 1.5km north. Inflow was very obvious from the SW and SE, sort
>of
>> > wrapping around the hill behind us. I was more interested in getting a
>> dump
>                        >>and much more.....

Hi Michael,

Apart form the photos. which are VERY intresting - you live in a pretty
spectacular location with a great view!  Ever thought about setting up a
weather-webcam??? ;)

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<p>Yep widespread 100mm falls throughout since 3pm yesterday.. it rained
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Michael and others,

As an ex member of the NSW severe weather section, the reports that you
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> Phone call severe weather reports to the NSW BoM do NOT end up in their
> database as far as I can tell - only the card reports are :-(
> I put URLs with the card reports but never receive any comment so don't
> know if they look.
>

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>But please note, the BWER is not associated with rotation.  That is
>sometimes stated.  Supercell storms do not have to have long lives to be
>noted as such nor must they be 'steady state'.  Actually supercells are
>more often long lived but there are so many other environmental and
>internal storm scale controls of storm sustenance, that life time can not
>be part of the definition.  In fact, a very important stage in a supercells
>life is its 'collapse stage'.  During the collapse phase the well defined
>reflectivity structures including the BWER and hook echo disappear and the
>echo top subsides markedly.  But it is during that stage when the storm is
>most likely to produce large damaging tornadoes and very strong downbursts.

Thanks for setting that straight Leslie.  I for one had the wrong
impression about things, always thinking that a storm that lasted for say 4
hours must be a supercell [and ergo a storm that only lasted an hour
COULDN'T be one]


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>As for the hail falling in elevated regions, Anthony Cornelius pointed out
>to me something quite obvious a few weeks ago which I had never really
>thought about.  In a nutshell, if you are at 1000m above sea level you have
>basically reduced the freezing level where you are by 3000ft (or 1000m).
>Thus, when the lower layers are relatively warm, the hail usually melts
>before reaching the ground, but 3000ft up the hail has less distance to
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>and doesn't melt and hail falls to the ground.  (i think this is right -
>please correct me if not).
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>Andrew McDonald

Macca

a classic place to observe this around Melbourne is the Dandenongs (often go
up there on weekends). In winter it is very common to see hail (either alone
or mixed with rain) fall from innocuous looking clouds - the likes of which
would not yield hail, only 450m lower in elevation in Box Hill. 

Having read reports from climbers (and brief glaciology/weather expeditions)
in the mountains of New Guinea and West Papua it appears that hail is almost
a daily occurrence at elevations of 4-5000m in this region during the wet
season, whereas at sea level it is almost unheard of - probably once in 10
or 20 year event. One would expect similarly frequent hail in parts of South
America and equatorial Africa, and indeed I've heard of mountain nous
locations in Kenya which reputably have hail on 200 or more days a year.

Cheers,

David.
                                                              
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Hi Raechel and all.
The partially rain wrapped eye of TC Terri is moving southwest towards Port
Headland,the tracking is rather difficult to follow due to the poor
development at the moment of the centre eye region, however a definite
vortex centre can be identified,from past discussion on the list it has been
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the high amount of warm rain generation within the circulation.Batten down
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>
> hi dave
> i`m in port hedland
> sitting here waiting , hoping that it comes here this time
> Raechel
>
> >From: David Carroll <davidkc at nia.net.au>
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> >
> >HI all ..
> >
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People,

can I suggest that some people test TWC offer before we make a whole sale
shift again, just to ensure that this will suit our needs. Personally, I
don't really care who hosts our list, but I have found the service provided
by egroups err.. yahoo (with its archive, web access etc.) to be preferable
to the old major-domo site. If TWC can offer web access, an archive, and a
digest facility then I'm happy to change, if others are.. I don't really
share the concerns of many others about providing limited personal details
to yahoo. I guess I realise there is already an enormous amount of
information already floating around out there on the web/elsewhere about my
spending habits (through credit card companies), by viewing habits (through
foxtel), my webbing habits (through work and other ISP's), and what's on my
hard disk (through cookies down loaded from sites I have visited/utitlies I
have run), and "personal" details (through software registration, email
accounts on ski.com.au, netcentre, hotmail), that to have yahoo have my
details makes little difference - anyway you can always lie! People on this
list already know I'm a bit nuttie... but hey anybody who subscribes to a
list about weather has to be.

Of course if they try to implement a charge for service, I would be the
first to quit their service!!!

On the shift to TWC.... I do have concerns about the (perceived or
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of meteorological services in Australia. For this reason I would NOT
advocate us using the BOM facilities. I don't know whether this is an issue
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to Australia (not surprising given the staff they have been able to
recruit!). Certainly, some of us use a list on ski.com.au not unlike
aussie-wx to discuss snow? so there is a precedent for using a list hosted
by a company...

I guess one final concern would be about ownership/dilution of the list. The
relatively small, but active group of subscribers/nutters to aussie-wx with
a common bond of interest in things meteorological is something we would not
want to loose. If we were to place this on TWC would we suddenly find
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Bankstown has just cracked 150.6mm just before 9am (whats that about 6
inches to our american friends?)

9am totals will be interesting. Roads flooded all over the shop, traffic
is chaos, cars konked out in water, roads closed due to flooding, you
name it its all happening. Ok enough posts by me.

Matt

Matt Smith wrote:

> Hey Dann !
>
> Yep widespread 100mm falls throughout since 3pm yesterday.. it rained
> all night and still raining now! And poor Matt Pearce has shot up to
> QLD missing the storms yesterday, and the biggest rain event in a
> while ! Maybe he should leave more often ;)
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> Matt Smith
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>
>
> dann weatherhead wrote:
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>> Well i am not sure if many know, but sydney has been absolutely
>> pounded with torrential rain overnight, some centres recording 80mm
>> or so. THere is widespread flashflooding, landslides, 12 car pile
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<p>9am totals will be interesting. Roads flooded all over the shop, traffic
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Hi David,

I was thinking of emailing the list again...but no need to, you took the
words write out of my mouth (or hands!) in regards to the list and the
difference in service, the indepdenent current owner of the list
(Jacob), and also if we had too many subscribers.

AC

David Jones wrote:
> 
> People,
> 
> can I suggest that some people test TWC offer before we make a whole sale
> shift again, just to ensure that this will suit our needs. Personally, I
> don't really care who hosts our list, but I have found the service provided
> by egroups err.. yahoo (with its archive, web access etc.) to be preferable
> to the old major-domo site. If TWC can offer web access, an archive, and a
> digest facility then I'm happy to change, if others are.. I don't really
> share the concerns of many others about providing limited personal details
> to yahoo. I guess I realise there is already an enormous amount of
> information already floating around out there on the web/elsewhere about my
> spending habits (through credit card companies), by viewing habits (through
> foxtel), my webbing habits (through work and other ISP's), and what's on my
> hard disk (through cookies down loaded from sites I have visited/utitlies I
> have run), and "personal" details (through software registration, email
> accounts on ski.com.au, netcentre, hotmail), that to have yahoo have my
> details makes little difference - anyway you can always lie! People on this
> list already know I'm a bit nuttie... but hey anybody who subscribes to a
> list about weather has to be.
> 
> Of course if they try to implement a charge for service, I would be the
> first to quit their service!!!
> 
> On the shift to TWC.... I do have concerns about the (perceived or
> otherwise?) issue of our independent list being hosted by an active provider
> of meteorological services in Australia. For this reason I would NOT
> advocate us using the BOM facilities. I don't know whether this is an issue
> or not? TWC provide an exceptional service, and to be honest I think they
> provide a role model for the provision of value added meteorological service
> to Australia (not surprising given the staff they have been able to
> recruit!). Certainly, some of us use a list on ski.com.au not unlike
> aussie-wx to discuss snow? so there is a precedent for using a list hosted
> by a company...
> 
> I guess one final concern would be about ownership/dilution of the list. The
> relatively small, but active group of subscribers/nutters to aussie-wx with
> a common bond of interest in things meteorological is something we would not
> want to loose. If we were to place this on TWC would we suddenly find
> ourselves swamped by new subscribers? loosing the "intimacy" of our list -
> people who may well bore us with their requests of forecasts for the coming
> weekend etc. etc. etc. - this kinda thing happens quite often on the
> ski.com.au list above.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David.
> 
> 
> 
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I agree with David's sentiments on the list and the Weather Company.  
I think the current list on Yahoo offers quite a bit more than the 
previous list and probably the proposed new list.  I can access it 
anywhere, it keeps a good archive, and I don't have to have all the 
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All:

> The partially rain wrapped eye of TC Terri is moving southwest towards
Port
> Headland,the tracking is rather difficult to follow due to the poor
> development at the moment of the centre eye region, however a definite
> vortex centre can be identified,from past discussion on the list it has
been
> found that TC,s often show poor reflectivity this is apparently related
to
> the high amount of warm rain generation within the circulation.Batten
down
> the hatches everyone in Port H, regards Clyve H.

I addressed this problem of low reflectivity several months ago.  Radar
reflectivity is dominated by the diameter of the rain drops.  Tropical
storms have small drop sizes in contrast to extratropical thunderstorms or
showers.  Thus, tropical storms have relatively low reflectivities.

Les

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All:

I had promised you a URL for the supercell structure schematic for the
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It about 10.45am and I'm currently in Balmain.  It has been 
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help the flooding situation this morning.  Quite a few sirens going 
at the moment, probably a crash up on Victoria Road just to add to 
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] OBS: NSW heat and records -- and the buster

> 
> Bourke reported 52.8 on 17 January 1877 - now discounted; Brewarrina and
> condobolin both have listed as a record temp  48.9 - dates unknown? Any
> comments Blair?

Haven't looked closely at the Brewarrina and Condobolin obs because
there are two undisputed ones in NSW that are higher (50.0 at
Wilcannia on 11 January 1939 and 49.7 at Menindee on 10 January 1939).

> Cambelltown has 45.8 on 10 January 1979 as a pretty hot day in the
> Sydney basin. 
> The bureau also lists 48.4 at Richmond Ag college and Jerty's Plains
> 49.2 as record east of ranges temp - both undated - any comments, Blair? 
Jerrys Plains was on 14 January 1939 and I presume Richmond was too.
The Jerrys Plains screen had no door at the time, introducing a bias
of 1-2 C. We haven't yet taken a decision on it, but given the large
number of other legitimate obs in NSW in the 48-49 range it seems
hard to justify recognising the Jerrys Plains figure as the third-
highest in NSW. (Other Hunter readings on this day included 46.3
at Scone, 45.7 at Cessnock and 46.1 at East Maitland).

I haven't checked the Richmond situation as yet.

> What do we know about Walgett's 50.1 on 2 January 1903, Wilcannia's 50.1
> on 11 Jan 1939 (feasible given the date) or the listed and undated 51.1
> at White Cliffs!

See above re Wilcannia. Walgett was a non-standard exposure (and a
particularly poor one, with a likely bias of 4-5 C). I have been
unable to find any evidence of a date for the White Cliffs observation;
however, the screen there is known to have been non-standard until
1947.

> Finally, Liverpool's 45.8 on 1 Feb 1977 always seemed too high but was
> it substantiated?

I've just run a check on it myself and whilst it looks a couple of
degrees high relative to both its own 1500 temperature (42.5) and
the obs at Richmond (43.7) and Bankstown (43.3), I couldn't rule it
out on that evidence alone without signs of a systematic instrument
problem or similar.

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:52:18 +1100
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Hail in low latitudes.

Hi all.
On recent trip to far north QLD extensive thunderstorms on the 19.01.01
produced hail at places on the coast north from Cardwell,there were however
numerous reports of large hail from the Atherton Tablelands  (mean elevation
about 500m) on the same day,some causing damage,no large hail was reported
on the coast,the freezing level was about 15.000ft which is comparable to
mean freezing levels within the tropics, conditions aloft were different
with colder air at 35.000ft and above (colder than average). I recall seeing
a documentary of an expedition to the New Guinea highlands and I was
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precipitation falling as hail mostly of a rather small uniform size,such
precipitation may also explain the relationship to static build up and
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Outlook for NENSW and SE QLD

Hi Everyone,

It looks like we could be in for a significant rain event in NE NSW and SE
QLD over the next few days.  Both AVN and GASP have extremely heavy rain
totals for most of NE NSW and eastern parts of SE QLD from tonight through
to Friday - infact i would say it's forecast at flood rain intensity.

The culprit is a deep upper level trough currently amplifying into SE
Australia, which should drag the surface trough currently over inland
southern QLD closer to the coast.  With a high moving into the Tasman sea,
strengthening the onshore flow along the southern QLD coast, it will provide
for some very wet and windy weather.

I would not be surprised if we saw 48 hour totals in the 2-300mm+ range at
places like Springbrook, Natural Bridge etc in the Gold Coast hinterland.

This system has obviously produced a lot of rain already, and it hasn't
peaked yet!

BTW - one interesting thing to note is that AVN has the upper trough
becoming an upper low during Thursday, then drifting NW (!) towards the Gulf
of Carpentaria overnight Thursday and during Friday - which is something i
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Hi Leslie.
There is often a rather vague line when observing an overshooting severe
multicell complex and a supercell and then making  a comparison, a single
photo of  an overshooting multi cell often looks like a supercell,however
from personal study I have found a rather odd structure to true supercells
and that's the very short and strong pulse rate within the supercell often
appearing as a continuos updraft but careful analysis seems to show distinct
rapid pulses. I watched a very interesting video taken by  a fellow storm
chaser from Brisbane of a night storm southeast of that city,this storm was
regarded as a supercell ,the lightning was almost strobe like and
illuminating the overshoot almost continuously, the top of the overshoot
showed a very close ribbing affect which may have indicated the very short
pulse rate of the updraft,also of interest was the rather uniform spacing of
the ribbing separating each pulse. many regards Clyve Herbert.
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> All:
>
> I had promised you a URL for the supercell structure schematic for the
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>
> Les
>
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Adelaide 25/1 Springton pic up...

Hi all,

Got the pics from last Thurs back, and unfortunately, it looks like my
battery was dieing as many are badly underexposed.  Am trying to massage a
few into shape digitally however.

Here's a goodie though.  Barber pole updraft NE of Gumeracha advancing
ahead of the multicell front.  Looks a bit like some of the LP supercell
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Outlook for NENSW and SE QLD

Hi Ben.
All looks rather interesting,I have been watching a sympathetic development
over the north Island of New Zealand which shows this mass of cloud moving
south/south-westward over the past two days and this rather unusual motion
may be in relation to the development of a possible low off the NSW coast
over the next 12 hours or so,it will be interesting to see how all this pans
out,regards Clyve Herbert.
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> Hi Everyone,
>
> It looks like we could be in for a significant rain event in NE NSW and SE
> QLD over the next few days.  Both AVN and GASP have extremely heavy rain
> totals for most of NE NSW and eastern parts of SE QLD from tonight through
> to Friday - infact i would say it's forecast at flood rain intensity.
>
> The culprit is a deep upper level trough currently amplifying into SE
> Australia, which should drag the surface trough currently over inland
> southern QLD closer to the coast.  With a high moving into the Tasman sea,
> strengthening the onshore flow along the southern QLD coast, it will
provide
> for some very wet and windy weather.
>
> I would not be surprised if we saw 48 hour totals in the 2-300mm+ range at
> places like Springbrook, Natural Bridge etc in the Gold Coast hinterland.
>
> This system has obviously produced a lot of rain already, and it hasn't
> peaked yet!
>
> BTW - one interesting thing to note is that AVN has the upper trough
> becoming an upper low during Thursday, then drifting NW (!) towards the
Gulf
> of Carpentaria overnight Thursday and during Friday - which is something i
> have never seen forecast before
>
>
>
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Hi Ben,

...and the AVN is not on its own here - all the globals do this, including
the EC and UK. The EC has this upper low performing a large (and rather
rapid) anticyclonic curve over northern Australia to be located somewhere
over the central NT by 12Z on the 5th. Interesting indeed.

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> 
> BTW - one interesting thing to note is that AVN has the upper trough
> becoming an upper low during Thursday, then drifting NW (!) towards the Gulf
> of Carpentaria overnight Thursday and during Friday - which is something i
> have never seen forecast before
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 12:24:11 +1000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Anyone want a digital camera?

Hi Everyone,

Appologies for treating the list like a classifieds, but i though this might
be of interest to some

I am selling my Kodak DC240 digital camera $450.  It was purchased April 26
2000 for $800, which makes it around 9 months old.  There is 3 months left
on the warranty.

It's in near perfect condition (only a few tiny scratches, and you have to
look pretty hard to find them!), and comes with 4 long live NiMh  batteries,
a backup set of NiCd batteries (both sets rechargeable), a 4 hour battery
charger, USB, serial and TV cables and a 4mb memory card.  The memory card
can hole over 50 weather images and19 general photography images at max
resolution or  over 300 weather/128 general at standard resolution  (file
size depends on what's in the frame).

It has 1.3mp resolution with several quality options as described above, and
a 36-117mm optical zoom lens (F2.8-4.5), with 2 times digital zoom on top of
that.

You can see more specs here

http://www.kodak.com/US/en/digital/cameras/dc240/

For general photography, the camera delivers outstanding image quality, with
colour depth and image clarity unmatched by any other camera in it's price
range.  There are several focus and exposure modes that help deliver this
quality.

It also performs quite well for weather photography.  As with most low end
digital cameras, image quality tends to decrease in low light conditions or
when you're photographing dark features, but this can be reversed somewhat
simply by changing a few settings.

Some photos taken with the camera:

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/311000_02.shtml
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Hi all,

I have just been interviewed by the ABC in a pre-recording - only a few 
minutes. It would be great if someone could tape it so I can hear how bad I 
sounded. I hope all went well. No silly questions I suppose. It should be 
played tonight although I will be at an AMOS meeting.

That would ba appreciated.

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Subject: [aussie-weather] monthly summary for Tallai

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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It is currently (3:57) 23.5C and overcast with light rain. Rainfall to 9am 
3.5mm.</DIV>
<DIV>January 2001</DIV>
<DIV>Av Max 29.5</DIV>
<DIV>Av Min 20.9 </DIV>
<DIV>Rain days 9 </DIV>
<DIV>Rainfall 71.7</DIV>
<DIV>Days&gt;/=30.0 13</DIV>
<DIV>Days&gt;/=35.0 nil</DIV>
<DIV>Highest max was on the 27th at 34.0 degrees</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest max was on the 31st at 25.2 degrees</DIV>
<DIV>Highest min was 25.9degrees on the 29th</DIV>
<DIV>Lowest min was 16.5 degrees on the 5th</DIV>
<DIV>There were 3 thunderstorms:</DIV>
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<DIV>The storms on the night of the 17th :- the rainfall from both of these 
storms 43.0mm</DIV>
<DIV>1st one happened around 8pm - heavy rain and occasional lightning</DIV>
<DIV>2nd storm happened around 11pm - strong wind/ heavy rain and very frequent 
lightning.</DIV>
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<DIV>The storm on the 27th happened around 4pm was very brief - strong wind, 
some thunder and very little rain - only 1.2mm from it.</DIV>
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<DIV>The creek is need of a flush out - come on rains!&nbsp; </DIV>
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<DIV>Sam</DIV>
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I have never been able to access via their web page, keeps forgetting my
password. But I go for the E  Mail anyway.

I did miss 3 days of posts for no apparent reason and like another user has
commented my spam rate has almost doubled. I now have filters to dump any E
Mails that contain the words 'money, $, rich, snow white,"

Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: "TWC" <twc at theweather.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>; "Weather Junkies"
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<aussie-weather at theweather.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2001 22:45
Subject: [aussie-weather] Aussie Weather


> Hi everyone,
> Since egroups have been swallowed by yahoo, I have not been able to log
into
> my account to check aussie-weather. Has anyone else had any problems? This
> is despite having followed their procedures by having my account
translated
> and then setting up a yahoo ID.
>
> Mark Hardy
> The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> http://www.theweather.com.au
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:27:47 +1100
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Re: NE NSW tornado / BoM storm reports

I beg to differ here Jane.....upon reading the November severe weather
summary they forgot one report which I gave them which may or may not be
considered significant.....SEVEN FUNNEL CLOUDS!!!!!!!!!!....all captured on
video and reported at the time to the BoM......

Just a small example.

Macca

----- Original Message -----
From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:24 PM
Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: NE NSW tornado / BoM storm reports


> Michael,
> Those are AMAZING pictures!!!!!!!!  Have you managed to do a damage
> track over the other side of the valley?
>
> ...and on another note after Jimmy's email re reporting severe
> weather...do people fill out the BoM report cards when you report a
> storm to the BoM - do you ring as well or just post in your report?
>
> I forget to fill in BoM report cards, but I do report in by phone at the
> time & they've never missed filing any of my reports (or anyone else's
> in Victoria that I'm aware of).  I also send them the URL of any reports
> of severe weather that appear on the MSC site & I know that they do
> check them out (both from the Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report page
> & the reports & photos that we put up).
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:10:05 -0000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Anyone want a digital camera?

Hey Ben,

Can you do time lapse photos on it?

Also, is the memory card removable so you can whack in another and 
keep shooting?

Regards,

Liam


--- In aussie-weather at y..., "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at o...> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Appologies for treating the list like a classifieds, but i though 
this might
> be of interest to some
> 
> I am selling my Kodak DC240 digital camera $450.  It was purchased 
April 26
> 2000 for $800, which makes it around 9 months old.  There is 3 
months left
> on the warranty.
> 
> It's in near perfect condition (only a few tiny scratches, and you 
have to
> look pretty hard to find them!), and comes with 4 long live NiMh  
batteries,
> a backup set of NiCd batteries (both sets rechargeable), a 4 hour 
battery
> charger, USB, serial and TV cables and a 4mb memory card.  The 
memory card
> can hole over 50 weather images and19 general photography images at 
max
> resolution or  over 300 weather/128 general at standard resolution  
(file
> size depends on what's in the frame).
> 
> It has 1.3mp resolution with several quality options as described 
above, and
> a 36-117mm optical zoom lens (F2.8-4.5), with 2 times digital zoom 
on top of
> that.
> 
> You can see more specs here
> 
> http://www.kodak.com/US/en/digital/cameras/dc240/
> 
> For general photography, the camera delivers outstanding image 
quality, with
> colour depth and image clarity unmatched by any other camera in 
it's price
> range.  There are several focus and exposure modes that help 
deliver this
> quality.
> 
> It also performs quite well for weather photography.  As with most 
low end
> digital cameras, image quality tends to decrease in low light 
conditions or
> when you're photographing dark features, but this can be reversed 
somewhat
> simply by changing a few settings.
> 
> Some photos taken with the camera:
> 
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/311000_02.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_09.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/061100_08.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/080700_05.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/270900_09.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/251000_04.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/general/fires_07.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/general/11-09fire_01.shtml
> http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/ben/170600_01.shtml
> 
> 
> Please contact me ASAP if you are interested in buying the camera - 
i
> haven't advertised it yet, but when i do it will more than likely 
be snapped
> up very quickly - it's quite a popular camera.


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:21:28 -0000
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: Aussie Weather

Hi Mark, Michael,

Until Yahoo took over it was working fine for me but now I don't get 
all the posts via email (miss a few, sometimes more)and I also get 
all the posts to a yahoo address that isn't set as the address to 
recieve them! I loved some of the options that egroups had but its 
getting ridiculous now...

Lindsay P.

--- In aussie-weather at y..., "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at o...> wrote:
> I have never been able to access via their web page, keeps 
forgetting my
> password. But I go for the E  Mail anyway.
> 
> I did miss 3 days of posts for no apparent reason and like another 
user has
> commented my spam rate has almost doubled. I now have filters to 
dump any E
> Mails that contain the words 'money, $, rich, snow white,"
> 
> Michael
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TWC" <twc at t...>
> To: <aussie-weather at y...>; "Weather Junkies"
> <aussie-weather at w...>; "Aussie Weather Mailing List"
> <aussie-weather at t...>
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2001 22:45
> Subject: [aussie-weather] Aussie Weather
> 
> 
> > Hi everyone,
> > Since egroups have been swallowed by yahoo, I have not been able 
to log
> into
> > my account to check aussie-weather. Has anyone else had any 
problems? This
> > is despite having followed their procedures by having my account
> translated
> > and then setting up a yahoo ID.
> >
> > Mark Hardy
> > The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
> > http://www.theweather.com.au
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > aussie-weather-unsubscribe at egroups.com
> >
> >
> >


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