From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: duplicate email lists..
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:52:35 +1100
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Dear all,

could people please check their email settings so that they don't send out
duplicate copies of the same email - the first (apparently) being ascii
text, and the second html. For those of us who receive the list in a digest
form, often more than 50% of the email volume on a given day can be
"illegible" html.

On matters weather, we scored our second thunderstorm for the month
yesterday in Box Hill, thanks to some unforecasted (and probably not
forecastable) storms which tracked northwest, then northeast over the
eastern suburbs of Melbourne. Only received 3mm, but their have been
unconfirmed reports of upto 40mm.
Of course today we return to strato-cu city... 

Regards,

David.
                                                              
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Media reporting of NSW floods
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It's a pity that Media Watch has closed down for the year, otherwise
ABC radio could be taken to task for claiming, ludicrously, that
'one-third of New South Wales is under water' on this morning's
news.

(It is reasonable to say that one-third of NSW is affected by floods
in the sense that some or all of its major transport links are
blocked - but on that definition Melbourne is also affected, as the
only available Melbourne-Brisbane route to my knowledge is via Sydney
and the Pacific Highway, several hours longer than the Newell).

Brickbats also to those Sydney-centric members of the media who
refer to Tamworth as being in north-western New South Wales. Whilst
some of these people think anything west of Penrith is 'western New
South Wales', Tamworth doesn't even meet that qualification (it's on
the same longitude as Parramatta).

Blair
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The confusion regarding the geographical position of Tamworth arises because
it is located in the Northwest Slopes and Plains weather district. This is
often abbreviated by media here as the Northwest. The same happens with
Wagga Wagga being referred to being in Southwest NSW because it is in the
Southwest Slope district.
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>From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: Media reporting of NSW floods
>Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:03
>

> It's a pity that Media Watch has closed down for the year, otherwise
> ABC radio could be taken to task for claiming, ludicrously, that
> 'one-third of New South Wales is under water' on this morning's
> news.
>
> (It is reasonable to say that one-third of NSW is affected by floods
> in the sense that some or all of its major transport links are
> blocked - but on that definition Melbourne is also affected, as the
> only available Melbourne-Brisbane route to my knowledge is via Sydney
> and the Pacific Highway, several hours longer than the Newell).
>
> Brickbats also to those Sydney-centric members of the media who
> refer to Tamworth as being in north-western New South Wales. Whilst
> some of these people think anything west of Penrith is 'western New
> South Wales', Tamworth doesn't even meet that qualification (it's on
> the same longitude as Parramatta).
>
> Blair
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Subject: aus-wx: FWD: Sydney tornado
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<x-flowed>
Matt Smith's photo of the wall cloud (Sydney tornadic supercell 3/11) has 
been well received on the wx-chase list. The below comments posted to that 
list came from one of the Canadian guys who was working with the BoM on the 
day.

------Wx-chase---
McCarthy,Patrick wrote:
"Coincidentally, I was also in Sydney, participating in a WMO workshop
on
nowcasting, at the time of the tornado.  In fact I was in the Bureau of
Meteorology (the Australian Weather Service)forecast office during the
event
and we had a good view of the supercell.  It was a classic (except it
was
all backwards) supercell, terrific hook, persistent meso, beaver's
tail,
great wall cloud, etc.

We could see the RFD wrap around (blasting up a huge curl of dust/dirt
from
a nearby quarry) and help spin up the first of 3 tornadoes (though
there was
little in the way of condensation funnels).  I was asked to help lead a
storm investigation team (I'm a senior storm investigator here in
Canada)
the next day, along with another experienced Canadian investigator, and
a
meteorologist from the UK and another from Melbourne.  We found one F1
path
and a second F0 path.  A second survey a couple of days later found the
third tornado (F0) path.

My first southern hemisphere tornado!"
<snip rest>
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regards,  David
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi Blair

Hi Blair

You beat me to the writing of this E Mail. I was going to write about the
1/3 issue too, its was plain sensationlist to the extreme. Other gems from
from Nine Network were including the 'Hunter' in the flood crisis, agreed
that some parts of the upper Hunter have been affected but not the whole
valley.

The best I saw was the map drawn to show the flood areas. The Hunter River
was drawn running almost east to west from approx Port Stephens to
Mussellbrook. The map would have had the Hunter River slicing through the
1400m Barrington Tops -  ( I did not know the floods were that bad.)

Of course there are those that will race and defend the media, but truly is
it a great lesson in geography for anybody watching. Bearing in mind that
most viewers will not have the geographic knowledge of the folk on this
group, therefore they will accept that that is the true path of the Hunter
River.

Monty in his weather segment also had a slight pause before he eluded to the
floods, the pause must have been the gather his thoughts of exactly where
the floods were, finally stating the Hunter and Northern Tablelands.

Michael


> It's a pity that Media Watch has closed down for the year, otherwise
> ABC radio could be taken to task for claiming, ludicrously, that
> 'one-third of New South Wales is under water' on this morning's
> news.
>
> (It is reasonable to say that one-third of NSW is affected by floods
> in the sense that some or all of its major transport links are
> blocked - but on that definition Melbourne is also affected, as the
> only available Melbourne-Brisbane route to my knowledge is via Sydney
> and the Pacific Highway, several hours longer than the Newell).
>
> Brickbats also to those Sydney-centric members of the media who
> refer to Tamworth as being in north-western New South Wales. Whilst
> some of these people think anything west of Penrith is 'western New
> South Wales', Tamworth doesn't even meet that qualification (it's on
> the same longitude as Parramatta).
>
> Blair
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From: Harald Richter <hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov>
Subject: aus-wx: OUTLOOK TDY
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Hi!

A vigorous mid-level cyclone is parked over S WA.  Its counterpart is
a weak broad mid-level anticyclone centred NE of Cape York Peninsula.
Most of Australia is in a general W flow inbetween the two closed circulation
centres.  A weaker disturbance of no further consequence to AUS
is slithering off into the Tasman Sea.

Incredible moisture has moved into NE QLD with dewpoints exceeding 
25 C!  This region is likely to see deep convection again, just
as it did yesterday, the day before, the day before that etc. etc.
The convection should produce lightning and a lot of rain, and not
much more as the mid-levels are quite warm, and the flow is quite weak
close to the centre of the anticyclone.

Further S the low level moisture has gained some definition compared
to a few days ago.  A distinct moisture axis has set up from W and SW 
of Charleville to W of Cobar, with a distinct cyclonic wind shift
and enhanced surface moisture gradient just W and SW of Cobar.  
A generally tighter surface pressure gradient 
towards the S is associated with stronger surface flow in NSW as
opposed to S QLD.  The 18Z AVN hints at a weak cyclonic circulation
over NSW by 06Z reducing the mid-level flow.  It also hints at
pockets of up to 30 knots, which might yield marginal shear
for supercells in regions of decent easterly surface flow.

M-LAPS shows a surface cyclone N of Cunnamulla bu 03 Z.
It breaks out heavy precip over most of QLD except for the SW 
corner.  I would play that dry-rainy interface from SW 
QLD sloping NW to SE.

The AVN also depicts a 200 hPa flow axis by 06Z just N of the QLD/NSW
border.  My nonlinear hunch is that early convection might 
contribute to mixing some of that upper-level 
momentum down to lower levels, somehow enhancing the 0-6 km shear.

Cloud cover is a problem once again in the absence of capping
at lower levels.  QLD is more likely to see the sun which should contribute
to firing up a line of convection in W QLD later.   
An area (way) W of Charleville looks like a good starting point
to me before fine-tuning the details regarding backed 
surface flow and holes on the cloud cover (roads??).  

Another region of (intellectual) interest is the N WA/SA border. The W flow along 
the northern periphery of the mid-level cyclone is reinforced by the 
general WNW flow further N, leading to a progged speed max
overlaying a PBL with decent moisture.  I expect deep convection
in this highly accessible region later.  This convection might  
form a broken line all the way back to Port Hedland (WA).  

Good luck to today's lucky ones,

Harald


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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Media reporting of NSW floods
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> 
> The confusion regarding the geographical position of Tamworth arises because
> it is located in the Northwest Slopes and Plains weather district. This is
> often abbreviated by media here as the Northwest. The same happens with
> Wagga Wagga being referred to being in Southwest NSW because it is in the
> Southwest Slope district.
> 
Valid point, but I've heard places like Tamworth reported as being
in 'western NSW' in contexts that have nothing to do with meteorology.

(Not having much experience of the Brisbane media, do they refer to
anything north of Noosa as 'north Queensland?')

Blair
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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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When we get a large well-documented and videoed F4 Wedge tornado near say
Tamworth, they will probably show a map indicating that it covered the whole
distance from Tamworth to Canberra and with a 200km wide track!

David

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>
> The confusion regarding the geographical position of Tamworth arises
because
> it is located in the Northwest Slopes and Plains weather district. This is
> often abbreviated by media here as the Northwest. The same happens with
> Wagga Wagga being referred to being in Southwest NSW because it is in the
> Southwest Slope district.
>
Valid point, but I've heard places like Tamworth reported as being
in 'western NSW' in contexts that have nothing to do with meteorology.

(Not having much experience of the Brisbane media, do they refer to
anything north of Noosa as 'north Queensland?')

Blair
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At 10:44 21/11/2000 +1000, you wrote:
>When we get a large well-documented and videoed F4 Wedge tornado near say
>Tamworth, they will probably show a map indicating that it covered the whole
>distance from Tamworth to Canberra and with a 200km wide track!
>
>David

...And of course it will be labeled a "freak storm" and "mini-tornado" or 
worse "mini-cyclone".

Cheers
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Well strange that you should ask,

Last nights ABC weather managed to get Toowoomba in North Queensland.  I
wondered if NSW had been renamed Southern Queensland...

John.
>snip

>
> The confusion regarding the geographical position of Tamworth arises
because
> it is located in the Northwest Slopes and Plains weather district. This is
> often abbreviated by media here as the Northwest. The same happens with
> Wagga Wagga being referred to being in Southwest NSW because it is in the
> Southwest Slope district.
>
Valid point, but I've heard places like Tamworth reported as being
in 'western NSW' in contexts that have nothing to do with meteorology.

(Not having much experience of the Brisbane media, do they refer to
anything north of Noosa as 'north Queensland?')

Blair

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone, just got this email from a friend of 
mine (into storms btw and yes I have mentioned ASWA etc to her &lt;g&gt; she 
found me, after a couple of years of no contact, on MSC I think) who also saw 
some great stuff on Saturday night in Vic. She is located around 50km west of 
Shepparton. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g'day chris, i know you're busy, but i thought i'd 
send you a quick note to <BR>tell you about the amazing sky on sat. night up 
here.&nbsp; we were having a bbq <BR>down the road, and on the way the sky was 
just thunder clouds everywhere, <BR>and one patch had this huge (high)thunder 
cloud that had the white spewing <BR>out the top, a full rainbow to the left, 
and a funnel dropping on the <BR>right!!&nbsp; we watched the funnel drop and 
thin out - it never got close to the <BR>ground - it was just unreal.&nbsp; none 
of us had seen a funnel before.&nbsp; it was <BR>to the north east.&nbsp; later 
that evening on dusk, i saw the best sky i have <BR>seen in years (if not 
ever).&nbsp; it was absolutely breathtaking - you know when <BR>you're afraid to 
look away in case you miss something.&nbsp; the horizon at the <BR>hill was a 
beautiful sunset of thunderclouds, yellows, pinks and oranges, <BR>the horizon 
to the north was thunder storms with lightening, greys, greens, <BR>blues and 
blacks, and the horizon to the east was purple and pink.&nbsp; the rest <BR>of 
the sky was flittered with sweeping long clouds of pinks, orange and 
<BR>yellows, interspersed with sky blue clear sky.&nbsp; just indescribable how 
<BR>beautiful it actually was.&nbsp; wish we had a video camera - didn't even 
have my <BR>standard camera.&nbsp; just unreal.<BR>jacq.<BR><BR>Pretty good 
description - we always talked about storms during our summers of farm work a 
few years ago - can't wait to get any more details - sounds like Saturday was a 
great set up over Nth Vic. One more thing, good reason as to lack of a camera 
but I deleted it :) not appropriate lol</FONT></DIV>
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Sorry folks but as someone who lived in Tamworth for the first 20 years of my life for you to suggest that Tamworth is NOT in North West NSW would come as a great surprise to many living in Tamworth.  It may seem a warped world view to those not living in the area but the regionalisation of NSW is not as simple as the position on a map.  You have to forget that the coastline and the Great Diving Range head off in a North Easterly direction, instead think of the coastline as being simply North-South. Tamworth is then North West of Sydney, being West of the Great Dividing Range.  So for people in Tamworth places like Bourke are in the "Far West" or "Outback NSW".

So on the position of Tamworth don't be to harsh on the media, they may have been talking to the locals - who all think they live in North West NSW, West of the Dividing Range.

Rhett Blanch
St Leonards (formerly of Tamworth)


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Well strange that you should ask,

Last nights ABC weather managed to get Toowoomba in North Queensland.  I
wondered if NSW had been renamed Southern Queensland...

John.
>snip

>
> The confusion regarding the geographical position of Tamworth arises
because
> it is located in the Northwest Slopes and Plains weather district. 
<snip>
Valid point, but I've heard places like Tamworth reported as being
in 'western NSW' in contexts that have nothing to do with meteorology.
<snip>

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Hi,

All the chasers have arrived in Rockhampton QLD after an active and 
successful chase day today.

Jimmy reports activity started around noon and hasn't let up. An 
anti-clockwise rotating wall cloud was observed as well as another 
unconfirmed wall cloud. Storms were generally high precipitation.

They anticipate moving back inland tomorrow but will check the data in the 
morning.

regards, Michael


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Hi every1,

I'm heading off to Ballina tomorrow and have heard that the Newell Highway 
may be cut (I'm guessing Narrabri way)...

Can anybody give me any info on where the roads may be cut between here and 
Ballina??

Sorry this is a bit off topic...however I'm hoping to get some great pix of 
storms up that way! :))

Cheers,

Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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You could try

http://www.nrma.com.au/Page/Public?PageId=TM_ART_Road_ConditionsP

but perhaps somebody should tell them that conditions have altered.

Michael

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> Hi every1,
>
> I'm heading off to Ballina tomorrow and have heard that the Newell Highway
> may be cut (I'm guessing Narrabri way)...
>
> Can anybody give me any info on where the roads may be cut between here
and
> Ballina??
>
> Sorry this is a bit off topic...however I'm hoping to get some great pix
of
> storms up that way! :))
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I&nbsp;don't know if you can help me but I keep 
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most oresome some go over .We had 14m of rain in just 15min.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:42:00 +0000
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Media reporting of NSW floods
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In message <200011202303.KAA26113 at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>, Blair
Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au> writes
>It's a pity that Media Watch has closed down for the year, otherwise
>ABC radio could be taken to task for claiming, ludicrously, that
>'one-third of New South Wales is under water' on this morning's
>news.
>
>(It is reasonable to say that one-third of NSW is affected by floods
>in the sense that some or all of its major transport links are
>blocked - but on that definition Melbourne is also affected, as the
>only available Melbourne-Brisbane route to my knowledge is via Sydney
>and the Pacific Highway, several hours longer than the Newell).
>
>Brickbats also to those Sydney-centric members of the media who
>refer to Tamworth as being in north-western New South Wales. Whilst
>some of these people think anything west of Penrith is 'western New
>South Wales', Tamworth doesn't even meet that qualification (it's on
>the same longitude as Parramatta).
>
>Blair

The BBC News in the UK this morning was reporting that one-third of NSW
was under water. I did wonder if that was something of an exaggeration.
The footage shown of the floods was pretty spectacular.

Looks like we've got more of the same coming in UK with plenty more rain
probable in the next 10 days as the endless run of deep lows continues.

Norman.
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Subject: aus-wx: Wall Cloud Rotation...
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 22:03:03 +1100
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Hi everyone,
Just thought I would add this remark about the orientation of southern
hemisphere mesocyclones...
I would expect that, when viewed from below, most southern hemisphere
mesocyclones would be seen to be rotating anti-clockwise.   As
anti-clockwise from below translates to a cyclonic rotation within the storm
when viewed from above and this would be favoured by a wind profile in which
there is "backing" as opposed to "veering".  However, that is not to say
that it can't happen the other way...It depends on the wind profile, of
course.  I guess the other thing is, when viewing a storm, it probably
depends on where you are as to how you perceive the rotation - that is,
anit-clockwise or clockwise...If you are right underneath, certainly it will
appear anti-clockwise, but if you are some distance away, you may perceive
it as if you were looking down and then you will be thinking: "clockwise"...

Paul G.

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> unconfirmed wall cloud. Storms were generally high precipitation...
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At 09:42 21/11/00 +0000, you wrote:
>In message <200011202303.KAA26113 at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>, Blair
>Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au> writes
>>It's a pity that Media Watch has closed down for the year, otherwise
>>ABC radio could be taken to task for claiming, ludicrously, that
>>'one-third of New South Wales is under water' on this morning's
>>news.
>>
>>(It is reasonable to say that one-third of NSW is affected by floods
>>in the sense that some or all of its major transport links are
>>blocked - but on that definition Melbourne is also affected, as the
>>only available Melbourne-Brisbane route to my knowledge is via Sydney
>>and the Pacific Highway, several hours longer than the Newell).
>>
>>Brickbats also to those Sydney-centric members of the media who
>>refer to Tamworth as being in north-western New South Wales. Whilst
>>some of these people think anything west of Penrith is 'western New
>>South Wales', Tamworth doesn't even meet that qualification (it's on
>>the same longitude as Parramatta).
>>
>>Blair


&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^
&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&


The media here also said that one third of NSW was under water which seemed
to be of an exaggeration from what I saw of the footage of the flooded areas.
Good sattelite imagery tonight shows good storms over Eastern Australia
better than the flood producing pictures of recent.
I was in the area late November. I hope the flood plains around Morpeth are OK
The distrurbed SW flow still covers the East Coast of the SI here. More
thunderstorms tomorrow here. Will keep you posted
BRING THEM ON !!!!!!!!!??!?!?!?!?

John Gaul
NZ Thunderstorm Soc
NZTS - more than just thunder

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hi all. 
a friend doing work experience at northpower in grafton directed me to this
site. 
a tracker for teh northern region of NSW
http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html
Steve Baynham
http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany

Australian Severe Weather Association
http://www.severeweather.asn.au

Brisbane Storm Chasers
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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<DIV>Hi Evelyn, everyone</DIV>
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<DIV>If anyone has problems like this when trying to acess radar, i highly 
reccomend restarting your computer - especially if you use Internet 
Explorer.</DIV>
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<DIV>One thing i have noticed myself -&nbsp;sometimes if you have a few radar 
windows open, and you go to open another one, it tries to appear in a previously 
loaded window (as opposed to a new window) and doesn't fully load.&nbsp; Try 
closing down all the radar windows you have open, and then load a QLD 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=hoyle at austarnet.com.au 
  href="mailto:hoyle at austarnet.com.au">evelyn&amp;wayne</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:47 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: trouble with radar</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I&nbsp;don't know if you can help me but I keep 
  having trouble with the radar of Queensland.I just will not load. Every other 
  radar in the states works apart from the Queensland. I'm also having trouble 
  getting&nbsp; forcasts for our district-Northern Queensland.We"ve just had the 
  most oresome some go over .We had 14m of rain in just 15min.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope&nbsp;someone can help me,as it went down the 
  other night as well but was back on line after about six hours.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Pearce" <rpearce2 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: TD2K Update - Biggest day yet!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the delay in providing updates for today 
but being a Telstra BigPond customer, I have been without net access all day, 
and have been forced to spend my day doing extremely mundane things like 
studying for exams starting this week and not watching all the action through 
Queensland :(</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, to add further to Michael's comments, I 
spent 15 mins talking to a very hyped-up Anthony this evening, who I think was 
still on a high after "possibly the best day's chasing" he has ever been 
on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They left Chinchilla this morning around 9am I 
think, possibly earlier, and their plan was to head north towards the general 
Emerald area, where incidentally it was 28/21 at 8am. From this point on I was 
basically without net access and they were out of mobile range until about 2pm 
when I spoke to them near Theodore in central eastern Qld. They reported 
numerous storms with close CGs. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I then got a broken phone call around 4:30pm from a 
very excited Anthony informing me they were watching a supercell just to their 
SE around the same area, but the connection dropped out after about 30 secs so I 
never found out anymore. I didn't get the full report until about 6:30pm tonight 
where they were on their way to Rockhampton:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As Michael reported they got a rotating wall cloud, 
with reports of the rotation actually being quite strong, and a very turbulent 
looking base to the storm. Wind shear once again was not remarkable so this was 
probably a result of the very high CAPE that was present out there today. 
However, they were on the verge of the SE change most of the day. They got a 
nice lowering out of this wall cloud, but perhaps the most interesting thing was 
that the rotation was anticyclonic. This may have had something to do with the 
interaction with the SE surface wind? The lowering was quite long lasting, being 
visible to them for about 20 minutes to half an hour, and possibly more as I 
don't think they saw it when it first became visible. Of course, there were 
plenty of CGs around while all this was happening.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of interest was the fact that the wall cloud was to 
their southeast, and they were experiencing lightning to their NW. This means 
that they were obviously very close to the core of this supercell, and Macca 
estimated approximately 500m to 1km from the wall cloud at one point...a little 
close for my comfort! They said that the thunder was almost instantaneous. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The closest town to the storm was Banana, which is 
45km SW of Biloela. They then progressed eastwards towards the coast over the 
ranges, where Anthony reported minor landslides, possibly caused by the heavy 
rain. A flat tyre was suffered by one of the cars at this point and I think they 
were in the process of repairing it while I was speaking to them. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, I think those are all the main points and I 
will leave all the details for the guys to tell you when they get a 
chance...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, Anthony told me to tell the list : "We are 
having real problems reaching our target areas because supercells keep getting 
in the way of us"...Why do I feel no sympathy??? :P</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That is now their 3rd day in a row of supercells, 
and it looks good again for tomorrow in roughly the same area.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry for the length of this email but hopefully it 
is of interest to some</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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