From: "John Graham" <gorzzzz at Dingoblue.net.au>
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From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Recommendation for Storm Chasers


> Hi all,
>
> While around lightning active storms, I don't believe there was much
> trouble with CB communication.  I think CB radios are easier and cheaper
> - and would be the best way for people to "start off" - and then as
> convoy chases get more organised and have more people (if they ever do),
> then things such as UHF and Ham would be things to look into in the
> future.
>
> But for the purpose (communication between cars on TDU chases, weekend
> chases and day chases with other people) - the AM CB radios are perfect,
> and are generally quite affordable within the average storm chasers
> budget (assumption :-)
>
> >From what I understand of it - quite a few people have CB radios already
> - just need to get the other 'keen chases' to do the same, and we'll
> finally have a good communication network between cars without having to
> stop continuously - and of course, everyone on TDU99 will vouch for this
> - it's much more fun having 4/6/8 however many people in a conversation
> than two!
>
> AC
>
I agree with Anthony here.....CB is a cheap form of comms, but I think a SSB
radio would be better (12 watts compared to 4), but it depends on what you
can afford........2nd hand SSB CB's can be had from $80 -200, you might get
one cheaper if you look hard enough......
The best thing to have is 2 radios in the car (HF & UHF) plus a scanner to
listen in to those men dressed in blue who *love* taking pictures of
cars.............that's what I had in the car when it was on the road & it
saved my arse a few times......
Just my 2.5 c (inc GST) worth.......
John from Ballina

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Hello Glen!

31 Aug 00 00:23, you wrote to All:

 GR> I have never really used the AM broadcast band to check but with a
 GR> standard 27Mhz CB setup with a base antenna in a base location, one
 GR> can generally tell the difference between up to 30km away, up to 100km
 GR> away and miles away. Miles away can just be a pain in the ass when
 GR> trying to listen to weak skip.  If your UHF CB starts complaining then
 GR> get the camera out and consider ear plugs if you have sensitive ears.

Well, AM broadcast frequencies are _much_ more sensitive to static.  Good early
warning system. :)

Tony, VK3JED

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Hello David!

31 Aug 00 09:58, you wrote to All:

 DF> I have been thinking about this for a while and also talking to a few
 DF> people, and the dicussion of HAM radio for storm chasing has reminded
 DF> me of it. What would be good is if amateur radio people and storm
 DF> chasers and watchers got together and build an amateur radio packet
 DF> data network. This would allow sharing of weather data from lightning
 DF> trackers, auto weather stations and SMS observations. All that would
 DF> be required would be a computer, radio, TNC and amateur liscence.

APRS has a lot of promise here.  Chasers could, if equipped with suitable gear,
plot a storm cell directly onto the APRS maps, or they could pass the
co-ordinates to someone who could do the plotting for them.  Once plotted, the
object is visible to everyone on the APRS network.

GPS can be used to automatically keep track of vehicles.

 DF> To join the network, a requirement could be set that you would have to
 DF> have some data to share, whether from a automatic weather station or
 DF> lightning tracker. Software could then be used to process this data
 DF> and combine it into something of use to chasers and watchers. Mobile
 DF> access would also be possible. It would have to run of 70cm band. I
 DF> have some designs for the circuits for all this stuff. Over time such
 DF> a datasharing network could grow to expand to the whole east coast of
 DF> Australia, if everyone could cooperate.

Again, have a look at APRS.  There are already a few private WX stations on the
Victorian network.

 DF> The network would allow APRS(allowing others to see where you are in
 DF> you car), SMS(short messages), and email as well as some html and
 DF> graphic content(webcams). Any ideas? Would ASWA help? We would

The graphic stuff would be impractical on today's packet networks, and the
development of high speed backbones is a long way off yet.  APRS can also
handle the SMS functionality already.

 DF> probably have to get some other HAM radio association invovled too so
 DF> we could use their repeaters. In such a way we could build our own
 DF> mobile internet for datasharing. Ideas? and I stupid to suggest this?
 DF> Please don't send email bombs or flames!

I think the basic idea is a good one.  I have another suggestion.  Would
someone from ASWA be prepared to give talks at radio clubs.  The first step is
to generate interest.

Tony, VK3JED

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Hello Anthony!

31 Aug 00 08:31, you wrote to All:

 AC> While around lightning active storms, I don't believe there was much
 AC> trouble with CB communication.  I think CB radios are easier and
 AC> cheaper - and would be the best way for people to "start off" - and
 AC> then as convoy chases get more organised and have more people (if they
 AC> ever do),
 AC> then things such as UHF and Ham would be things to look into in the
 AC> future.

Fortunately, 27 MHz if high enough in frequency to escape the worst of the
lightning static.  However, the range of AM can be limited to 10-15km under
some conditions, UHF will generally do better, with the option of repeaters to
extend range (repeaters are really useful in country areas, but inhabited by
the brain dead in the bigger cities).

Tony, VK3JED

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Date: 01 Sep 00 00:28:34 +1000
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Hello Kevin!

31 Aug 00 19:54, you wrote to All:

 KP> [2] The shorter-scale influences seem to be well and truly a mystery.
 KP> The cooling of the globe prior to the mid-18th century is
 KP> well-documented historically but to say that we were headed towards a
 KP> new ice age seems to be drawing a long bow. Within the time-scales
 KP> that accurate wx data have been recorded it seems hubris to suspect
 KP> that variations such as a "sudden" warming on century scales is not
 KP> within the "normal" fluctuations of climatic variation! We simply have
 KP> too little reliable data to confirm such a suggestion.

There is a theory that the "mini Ice Age" of around 1600 AD may have been
caused by an unusual decline in solar activity.  Apparently, the sunspot cycle
paused for a few decades during this period, IIRC.

 KP> I'm playing scientific Devil's advocate here...I'm NOT saying that
 KP> human influences have not/will not affect Earth's climate...I'm saying
 KP> that from a factual/scientific standpoint the jury is out.

I agree, while it's good to be aware of possible human influences, and to watch
them, there's no conclusive proof (IMHO) that the current climate trends are
caused by human activity (or are not caused by same).

Tony, VK3JED

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Date: 01 Sep 00 00:32:58 +1000
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Hello Glen!

31 Aug 00 13:40, you wrote to All:

 GR> OK, so I take it that everyone is happy with the static discharges,
 GR> that is fine and can be helpfull. As for amaeture, I don't really
 GR> think it is worth going that far, if needed the group could probably
 GR> VERY cheaply obtain its own piece of spectrum for ASWA members only.

Hmm, not sure of the prices for commercial licencing, and then you have to use
transceivers which are type approved.

 GR> But more expensive (still not as expensive as amateur) for the
 GR> equipment. If folks in the Sydney area want their antenna tuned, I

Not necessarily, remember amateurs can use anything, provided they can operate
it within band limits...  No need to go out and buy a purpose built Icom or
Kenwood.

 GR> I suggest that if you go out and pruchase a new set, if you can find
 GR> one, get either a GME TX2000 which is AM only but has the added
 GR> benifit of a front fire speaker instead of having to stick ones head
 GR> on the floor to hear it or if you want side band, consider either GME
 GR> or any other comany than Uniden. If the set is older than five years

GME/Electrophone are pretty good radios on both 27 MHz and UHF.  I've seen a
few, and all have been good.

 GR> condition then it went. If you can get one of the older PC122 side
 GR> bands, not the newer 122XLs that are being sold, if it is under $150,

The AX144 was another good Uniden classic.  I had one which was faultless.

 GR> manufacture plants moved to the Phillipines. The really old 18channel
 GR> sets are also very good and can be EASILY modified to do nearly
 GR> anything. But down in Sydney they are probably worth a fortune.

Careful here.  The 18 channel sets are technically illegal (no longer type
approved as they contain 2 non CB channels in today's 40 channel band), and
unauthorised modifications void any type approval that may have existed.
Everyone does it, but do we want to give chasers a bad reputation?

i.e. Modify at your own risk...

Tony, VK3JED

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From: "The Weather Co." <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Very Active Lightning!!!
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Hi Everyone,
                  Spring is here at 5:45am.  Very active lightning through
South Australia this morning - more like a summer's afternoon than a spring
morning!!  Looks like a very good thunderstorm situation is brewing as this
front moves east!!
Paul G.
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From: Harald Richter <hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: prediction
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Hi climate folks,

Kevin from Wycheproof [where is Wycheproof?] exclaimed:

> [2] The shorter-scale influences seem to be well and truly a mystery. The 
> cooling of the globe prior to the mid-18th century is well-documented 
> historically but to say that we were headed towards a new ice age seems to 
> be drawing a long bow. Within the time-scales that accurate wx data have 
> been recorded it seems hubris to suspect that variations such as a "sudden" 
> warming on century scales is not within the "normal" fluctuations of 
> climatic variation! We simply have too little reliable data to confirm such 
> a suggestion.

Here is a popular problem - what is "normal?"   
In regard to "normal climatic variability",  a major
issue appears to be that we are comparing a high-resolution modern
dataset with relatively reasonably well-known error characteristics
(e.g. the human-observed temperature record) 
to a lower-resolution paleoclimate dataset with not-so-well-known (??) 
error characteristics.

Kevin implies that the "modern" dataset is too small (time period not long
enough) for a meaningful comparison to paleodata. 
My question is:  What time resolution do polar ice cores (for example) allow? 
How many years of human-observed temperature data would allow a meaningful
"temperature trend" comparison to ice core data?


Kevin added: 
[snip]
> much like the debate over cloud-seeding. If I seed a cloud and it 
> rains...did I cause it? Maybe it would have happened anyway... 

Cause and effect in highly complex nonlinear systems is a house
of horrors.  The setup is often something like this:  
human perturbs nature;  nature shows some ``effects'';  
human wonders whether ``effects'' are attributable to ``human'', 
or whether they would have happened anyway.
Almost all opinions I have heard on these issues are based on emotions
or profit interests.  

One common way of making inroads here is statistics,  as the physical 
complexity might be too large for any kind of more deterministic 
model.  The key lies in understanding what can and what cannot 
be said when examining the data.  
I can construct an ``easy'' (and sufficiently stupid) artificial example  
w.r.t. cloud seeding.  IF 1 out of 100 quasi-identical cumulus 
clouds is seeded at 1800 UTC,  and IF only that one seeded cumulus
cloud starts raining at 1803 UTC, THEN it seems unlikely [and stats 
could tell you HOW unlikely] that the rain would have happended
anyway.  Yes, real cases are more complex,  but some inroads 
are generally possible.   

I think it is a MISTAKE to say that things are too complicated
so that we cannot say anything about anything - folks, that is a form of 
scientific laziness.  It is an even BIGGER MISTAKE to *isolate*
a favourite cause-and-effect logical filament and say that
``A caused B'' just because it could do so logically in the
absence off ALL other ingredients. 

Cheers,  
Harald

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Perth received 497.2mm this winter

June: 123.2mm on 15 days (average 182mm)
July: 231.0mm on 23 days (average 173mm)
August: 143.0mm on 20 days (average 135mm) 


At 10:13  31/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Have some of our rain! 94mm this month alone. Wet as........
>
>Bussy (NE Victoria)
>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:04 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winter & Bushfires
>
>
>> I must admit that the bushfire season may sneak up on us with a nasty
>shock.
>> The Illawarra had far less rain in March than Sydney, Sydney seemed to be
>> the southern cut off point for a lot of coastal rainfalls from February -
>> May.
>>
>>  There was a bushfire today at Mt Kembla, only small but clearly fast
>> moving.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
>> To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 6:37
>> Subject: aus-wx: Dry Winter
>>
>>
>> > Sydney's rainfall in Winter which ends at 9 am this morning was 81.6 mm.
>> > The only drier Winter in the last 100 years was 1970 when 78.7 mm fell
>> > although in 1905 the total was also 81.6 mm.
>> > Sydney's driest ever Winters occurred last century with just 43.2 mm in
>> > 1895 and 50.3 mm in 1880.
>> >
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 You might wonder if NZ was in the northern hemisphere yesterday - at 3PM it
was 17 C at Puseyger Point at the far southwest, and 13.7 C at Cape Reinga!.
The former's high temperature was due 'fohn' northeasterly winds crossing
Fiordland's mountains.
 Relentless, drizzly rain has been the order of the week in Christchurch.
I'm beginning to prefer the idea of a nuclear holocaust, rather than this
s***.

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Well it's been a pretty dry and warmer than usual winter here, didn't have 
many days/weeks of 8degs or less.
I hope spring will be different, warm with lots of storms would be nice.
Les

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>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:13:12 +1000
>
>Have some of our rain! 94mm this month alone. Wet as........
>
>Bussy (NE Victoria)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:04 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winter & Bushfires
>
>
> > I must admit that the bushfire season may sneak up on us with a nasty
>shock.
> > The Illawarra had far less rain in March than Sydney, Sydney seemed to 
>be
> > the southern cut off point for a lot of coastal rainfalls from February 
>-
> > May.
> >
> >  There was a bushfire today at Mt Kembla, only small but clearly fast
> > moving.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 6:37
> > Subject: aus-wx: Dry Winter
> >
> >
> > > Sydney's rainfall in Winter which ends at 9 am this morning was 81.6 
>mm.
> > > The only drier Winter in the last 100 years was 1970 when 78.7 mm fell
> > > although in 1905 the total was also 81.6 mm.
> > > Sydney's driest ever Winters occurred last century with just 43.2 mm 
>in
> > > 1895 and 50.3 mm in 1880.
> > >
> > > don White
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:02:23 +1000
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Mt. Crosby QLD, Total Winter Rainfall: 73.0mm
   June: 49.5
   July: 13.0
 August: 10.5
>snip

Perth received 497.2mm this winter

June: 123.2mm on 15 days (average 182mm)
July: 231.0mm on 23 days (average 173mm)
August: 143.0mm on 20 days (average 135mm) 


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Hi David,

If one were to make a gross assumption that the Earths average temp was
directly dependent and linearly proportional to insolation (obviously it 
is not), i.e., if no Sun, temp would approach absolute zero.  Then 
assuming a current average temp of 20C (another gross assumption), then
a change in insolation of 0.2% in fact represents 293K x .002 = 0.58K.
Possibly a significant value on a global climatological scale.

Regards,
John.
>snip

This surface warming is supported by the shorter
radiosonde record from ~1965 which shows a strong warming of ~0.5C, a
warming which cannot be attributed to urban heat islands.... Anyway getting
a bit of track here.

On shorter time scales, there is evidence that the 11 year solar cycle
influences climate, but that the influence is not sufficient to be useful
for climate forecasting. This is probably not surprising given that this
much beat-up periodicity only amounts to a 0.1-0.2% variation in solar
output (from peak to trough), amounting to about 1W/m**2...
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McLeans Ridges, north coast NSW

June:   156.8  (85 percent of which fell in the 72 hours of the June long
weekend)
July:    19.2
August:  21.8
TOTAL   197.8 

YTD: 986.0mm on 113 days

compare with Wollongbar, NSW (my old site 3km S of Mcleans Ridges) for 1999:

June:    382.0
July:    282.8
August:  131.4
TOTAL    796.2

I don't have the total figure for this site, but Ballina 15km to the E had
about 3,100mm in 1999.

No wonder there are bushfires all over the place in this part of the world.

cheeers,
Michael


At 10:02 01/09/2000 +1000, you wrote:
>Mt. Crosby QLD, Total Winter Rainfall: 73.0mm
>   June: 49.5
>   July: 13.0
> August: 10.5
>>snip
>
>Perth received 497.2mm this winter
>
>June: 123.2mm on 15 days (average 182mm)
>July: 231.0mm on 23 days (average 173mm)
>August: 143.0mm on 20 days (average 135mm) 
>
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(Written offline, Friday 9:45am)

Yes, and my area (Blackheath) has only had 191.5mm since April which
isn't great. With only 40mm for August and the prospect of the
westerlies continuing, it may well be a bushfire worry come summer. Our
last bad season was summer 97/98, with plenty of thunderstorms and
plenty of fires. I remember numerous days where it "rained" ash up here
that season, covering everything. It was a little scary at times. Still,
a lot can happen between now and say, October/November.

Here's hoping for some rain.


Lindsay Pearce




Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> I must admit that the bushfire season may sneak up on us with a nasty shock.
> The Illawarra had far less rain in March than Sydney, Sydney seemed to be
> the southern cut off point for a lot of coastal rainfalls from February -
> May.
> 
>  There was a bushfire today at Mt Kembla, only small but clearly fast
> moving.
> 
> Michael
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 6:37
> Subject: aus-wx: Dry Winter
> 
> > Sydney's rainfall in Winter which ends at 9 am this morning was 81.6 mm.
> > The only drier Winter in the last 100 years was 1970 when 78.7 mm fell
> > although in 1905 the total was also 81.6 mm.
> > Sydney's driest ever Winters occurred last century with just 43.2 mm in
> > 1895 and 50.3 mm in 1880.
> >

Snip...

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Hi,

Here the result of winter rainfall for Golden Grove, Northeastern suburbs,
Adelaide, South Australia:
June: 84.4mm average 79mm
July 52.8mm average 75mm
August 73.6mm average 69mm
Grand Total: 210.8mm. Average from June to August: 223mm. Bit of below average so
far this winter.

From Nathan.

Jacob wrote:

> Perth received 497.2mm this winter
> June: 123.2mm on 15 days (average 182mm)
> July: 231.0mm on 23 days (average 173mm)
> August: 143.0mm on 20 days (average 135mm)
>
> At 10:13  31/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
> >Have some of our rain! 94mm this month alone. Wet as........
> >
> >Bussy (NE Victoria)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:04 PM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winter & Bushfires
> >
> >
> >> I must admit that the bushfire season may sneak up on us with a nasty
> >shock.
> >> The Illawarra had far less rain in March than Sydney, Sydney seemed to be
> >> the southern cut off point for a lot of coastal rainfalls from February -
> >> May.
> >>
> >>  There was a bushfire today at Mt Kembla, only small but clearly fast
> >> moving.
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> >> To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 6:37
> >> Subject: aus-wx: Dry Winter
> >>
> >>
> >> > Sydney's rainfall in Winter which ends at 9 am this morning was 81.6 mm.
> >> > The only drier Winter in the last 100 years was 1970 when 78.7 mm fell
> >> > although in 1905 the total was also 81.6 mm.
> >> > Sydney's driest ever Winters occurred last century with just 43.2 mm in
> >> > 1895 and 50.3 mm in 1880.
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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>[2] The shorter-scale influences seem to be well and truly a mystery. The 
>cooling of the globe prior to the mid-18th century is well-documented 
>historically but to say that we were headed towards a new ice age seems to 
>be drawing a long bow. Within the time-scales that accurate wx data have 
>been recorded it seems hubris to suspect that variations such as a "sudden"

>warming on century scales is not within the "normal" fluctuations of 
>climatic variation! We simply have too little reliable data to confirm such

>a suggestion.

Kevin, I would really have to disagree RE the lack of data. The paleodata
base is really at the stage of providing very good indications of past
climate, often down to annual (particularly for the last millennium) time
scales at high spatial resolutions. These data are also tied to very
different physical responses to climate variations. To name a few, there are
the ice cores which provide indications of temperature through the (most
commonly) oxygen isotopes ratios, but also continental aridity through dust
loadings, and southern ocean storminess through salt loadings (ie linked to
sea spray). The bore holes which are used for temperature reconstruction.
Glacial moraines which are used to examine local glacial mass balance =>
precipitation and temperature, coral cores which provide information on
temperature, water acidity => atmospheric CO2 concentrations etc etc. Plant
growth rings which give an indication of the optimality of the growing
season, which can inturn be related to temperature/rainfall depending on
species. Sediments which can be used to detect changes in pollen, aquatic
life etc from species which are temperature dependent... The list really
does go on. It is incomprehensible to believe that the researcher who have
compiled these data have some how massaged these to fit a politically line,
as some ill-informed commentators would have you believe.

Anyway, I won't go into much detail RE warming/ice age etc but refer you to
the figure at,

http://www.wmo.ch/web/wcp/wcdmp/statement/html/913-1999.html

This figure for the Northern Hemisphere (Southern Hemisphere data will come
with time), shows the temperature variability over the past millennium. It
is very difficult given this compilation from three independent sources
developed by some truly brilliant mathematicians/scientists (take a look at
some of their personal web pages if you doubt their intelligence!), to
believe that something truly strange is not going on with the global
climate. The series prior to about 1800 shows a quite steady decrease in
temperature, which is consistent with the expectation that the current
interglacial (being the longest in 400,000 years is coming to an end). A
figure like this also really shows the non-sense in trying to refute climate
change on the basis of the patched very short MSU satellite record, which
has become the last leg on which the greenhouse sceptics stand (conveniently
ignoring that this data has indeed warmed anyway, and is commences to late
to "see" the very rapid warming of the 1960s/70s evident in glaciological
and balloon data).

Regards,

David
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Rutherglen Vic. 212mm for the winter.

June 64mm
July 54mm
August 94mm

Bussy

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> Mt. Crosby QLD, Total Winter Rainfall: 73.0mm
>    June: 49.5
>    July: 13.0
>  August: 10.5
> >snip
>
> Perth received 497.2mm this winter
>
> June: 123.2mm on 15 days (average 182mm)
> July: 231.0mm on 23 days (average 173mm)
> August: 143.0mm on 20 days (average 135mm)
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Heavy rainfall occurring in Adelaide at the moment as an intense rainband 
passes.  Seems to also be interacting with a middle level trough near SA/NSW 
border with strong convergance, should be good for the soth-east of 
Austrailai tonight.  Low ,not visible on the synoptic chart is also 
developing far north of Adelaide.  Total wash-out of the Royal Adelaide 
Show!!!  One of the best rainbands for a while and for once it is passing 
during the day.  Most shower periods or rainbands this year have seemed to 
have passed during the night.  Hope this weather keeps up for a while 
longer.
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>There is considerable evidence that CO2 levels in the atmosphere have 
>dramatically increased (on decade scales no less) many times during
Earth's..

Sorry Kevin, couldn't help responding also to this one also.... To quote the
Vostok ice core work.. "Present day atmospheric burdens of these two
important greenhouse gasses (CO2 and methane) seem to have been (sic)
unprecedented during the past 420,000 years."  That is.... the present day
concentrations of these greenhouses gases have not occurred previously in
the past (nearly) 500,000 years! 

I realise that your playing the Devil's advocate on this Kevin, which really
is good.. I often play the same role! I certainly do not share the gloom and
doom view on climate that many conservation groups have, but at the same
time, I find the level of miss-information a real concern.

BTW on more weather time scale, the current batch of progs hold out the
prospect of a record deep snow pack at Spencers Creek in the Snowy
Mountains. The previous record (1981) is 361.0cm which occurred in early
September. The most recent report for Charlotte Pass (near Spencers Creek)
reveals a depth of 295cm. Well within striking distance of a record.

Cheers,

David.

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Hi Harald et al...

My purpose of the email was not to set up straw-men and knock them down - my 
cloud-seeding analogy may have been poorly chosen (as are most analogies) 
but I couldn't think of another example where effects may not linearly 
follow from causes.

Yes, it would be scientific laziness to assume it's "too hard" and leave it 
at that - but I hardly think I said that! It's also poor science to be too 
simplistic in one's approach to look at complex interacting systems and say 
"A caused B".

My last paragraph was obviously not taken seriously enough...I'm NOT 
advocating any sort of "give up - it's hopeless" OR "it doesn't matter what 
we do - it won't affect anything" approaches.

My whole point of the email was highlighting how much there is left to know 
- not how much man was NOT meant to know...

Cheers,
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But it doesn't seem to be updated very frequently. Is it 6 hourly?
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Hi Everyone :)
The BoM have put a gale/severe squall warning out for almost every
district in NSW for overnight and tomorrow morning. (see below)
Also ive done a small report on the August 8 tornadoes in Victoria, with
scans from the newspapers of damage and a photo of the Sunbury Tornado.
If anyone has any more info, please email me personally, so as to not
clog up the list with lots of emails directed at 1 person. *hint hint*
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/tornadoarchive/pictures/08-08-00/index.htm

Matt Smith

PRIORITY
WIND WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1557 on Friday the 1st of September 2000
A strong cold front approaching the western border expected  to cross
inland NSW overnight and reach the coast Saturday morning. It
is expected to cause gale force  northwest to southwest  winds with
severe
squalls in the following districts
HUNTER
METROPOLITAN
ILLAWARRA AND SOUTH COAST
NORTHERN TABLELANDS
CENTRAL TABLELANDS
SOUTHERN TABLELANDS
NORTHWEST SLOPES AND PLAINS
CENTRAL WEST SLOPES AND PLAINS
SOUTH WEST SLOPES
RIVERINA AND MIA
UPPER WESTERN
LOWER WESTERN

overnight or Saturday morning.

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Howdy all.

Well it wont be long now...........

Some effervescent cells started popping up on the Oenpelli / 
Arnhem land ranges this arvo, followed by an appearance of Hector 
- with the arrival of the sea-breeze front.

Major inversion going on in the higher atmosphere - most of the 
cells died upon reaching it. However new ones are still popping up 
so they are trying!

Paul in a Warm & Humid Darwin.
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From: "Pearce" <rpearce2 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: INFO: New BoM Sydney Olympic Site
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:18:58 +1000
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Hi all

Just a quick note to let you all know about the BoM's new Olympic Site
running for the next few weeks...if you haven't found it already. Its under
Olympic Weather, then forecasts. They are putting up forecasts for every 3
hour period every day for all the Olympic Venues. I am not for one moment
saying these are necessarilly accurate, but they may be worth keeping an eye
on for expected timings of changes, rain bands etc. Anyway, have a look if
you get the chance.

Matt Pearce

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From: "Dane Newman" <dpn at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Winter Rainfall
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For the fourth winter in a row rainfall was below average in Kilsyth (outer
eastern suburbs of Melbourne) as it was in all Victorian districts except
the northeast where it was close to average.
Here in Kilsyth we had 76.6mm in June (ave 93.1mm)
68.6mm in July  (ave 86.9mm)
54.2mm in August (ave 78.2mm)
Total 199.4mm (ave 258.2mm)  Dane.

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Evening all,

Thank you to the NSW chasers for sacrificing Dann Weatherhead (and
sending him down here) so that we may have thunderstorms to entertain
him whilst he is in Melbourne<g>.

This is the bit where I get to say "I HOPE IT RAINS ON THE GRAND FINAL
TOMORROW"....and then run like heck (off to chase storms while you are
all locked away) ..............

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
VICTORIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
Thunderstorm Warning
Issued at 8:08pm on Friday the 1st of September 2000 for the Melbourne
Metropolitan Area
Thunderstorms are developing to the north of the city and are possible
over the Melbourne Metropolitan area tonight.


Pressure fell from 1007hPa to 998hPa (0600AEDST to 1800AEDST with the
steepest drop of 7hPa between 1500 & 1700) today & wind has been gusting
enough to make it difficult to stand still for a while in the middle of
the day.  13.1C currently with a NNW breeze of 3kmh gusting to 18kmh at
times.

Jane

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9pm Friday 

Moderate and persistant rain here now, large drops.

Temp is 6.5 degrees. Curiously, very little wind after fresh winds
earlier.

Lindsay P.

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From: "Glen O'Riley" <glen.oriley at linx.iwarp.com>
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According to theory the lower the frequency, the more susceptable to
lightening interference. I know a couple of amateurs who actually use 5mhz
to test the air. I am a big fan of FM radio and never leave the dial, it
always sits in the same place. 106.5Mhz which I would be very worried if I
got lightening static through that and would be backing the computer up
quickly.


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>
> Hello Glen!
>
> 31 Aug 00 00:23, you wrote to All:
>
>  GR> I have never really used the AM broadcast band to check but with a
>  GR> standard 27Mhz CB setup with a base antenna in a base location, one
>  GR> can generally tell the difference between up to 30km away, up to
100km
>  GR> away and miles away. Miles away can just be a pain in the ass when
>  GR> trying to listen to weak skip.  If your UHF CB starts complaining
then
>  GR> get the camera out and consider ear plugs if you have sensitive ears.
>
> Well, AM broadcast frequencies are _much_ more sensitive to static.  Good
early
> warning system. :)
>
> Tony, VK3JED
>
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <glen.oriley at linx.iwarp.com>
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Yes modify at own risk I forgot to add but 18channels that were type
approved are still and will always be legal, I specially asked the comms
authority about that, you have a point about the amateur gear but I for one
am not sitting at my desk under any circumstances and building 15
transeivers for everyone and I don't know anyone who has the patients to do
so. The earlier AX144 sets were good but they had the same setup as the
122s, the later ones are s# at thouse as they are also like every other Uniden
made in the Phillipines. GME is alledgedly made in Australia and the company
is Australian owned. Some of the older Philips radios were Australian
made/owned. My last 18ch o2a set could get nearly anywhere I told it to go
with a couple of stainless dpdt switches. I was upset a couple of weeks
after I sold it that I had done so and have been chasing after a 40ch 858pll
series radio to have a bit of fun with, thinking FM and digi, maybe addition
of Motorola finals for 30w.
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>
> Hello Glen!
>
> 31 Aug 00 13:40, you wrote to All:
>
>  GR> OK, so I take it that everyone is happy with the static discharges,
>  GR> that is fine and can be helpfull. As for amaeture, I don't really
>  GR> think it is worth going that far, if needed the group could probably
>  GR> VERY cheaply obtain its own piece of spectrum for ASWA members only.
>
> Hmm, not sure of the prices for commercial licencing, and then you have to
use
> transceivers which are type approved.
>
>  GR> But more expensive (still not as expensive as amateur) for the
>  GR> equipment. If folks in the Sydney area want their antenna tuned, I
>
> Not necessarily, remember amateurs can use anything, provided they can
operate
> it within band limits...  No need to go out and buy a purpose built Icom
or
> Kenwood.
>
>  GR> I suggest that if you go out and pruchase a new set, if you can find
>  GR> one, get either a GME TX2000 which is AM only but has the added
>  GR> benifit of a front fire speaker instead of having to stick ones head
>  GR> on the floor to hear it or if you want side band, consider either GME
>  GR> or any other comany than Uniden. If the set is older than five years
>
> GME/Electrophone are pretty good radios on both 27 MHz and UHF.  I've seen
a
> few, and all have been good.
>
>  GR> condition then it went. If you can get one of the older PC122 side
>  GR> bands, not the newer 122XLs that are being sold, if it is under $150,
>
> The AX144 was another good Uniden classic.  I had one which was faultless.
>
>  GR> manufacture plants moved to the Phillipines. The really old 18channel
>  GR> sets are also very good and can be EASILY modified to do nearly
>  GR> anything. But down in Sydney they are probably worth a fortune.
>
> Careful here.  The 18 channel sets are technically illegal (no longer type
> approved as they contain 2 non CB channels in today's 40 channel band),
and
> unauthorised modifications void any type approval that may have existed.
> Everyone does it, but do we want to give chasers a bad reputation?
>
> i.e. Modify at your own risk...
>
> Tony, VK3JED
>
> .. What do you MEAN my tagline expired?!
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winter & Bushfires
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Well normally our rainfall would leave you in the dust so to speak. But we
seem to amble from flash flood to flash flood with little in between.

Michael




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> Have some of our rain! 94mm this month alone. Wet as........
>
> Bussy (NE Victoria)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 8:04 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dry Winter & Bushfires
>
>
> > I must admit that the bushfire season may sneak up on us with a nasty
> shock.
> > The Illawarra had far less rain in March than Sydney, Sydney seemed to
be
> > the southern cut off point for a lot of coastal rainfalls from
February -
> > May.
> >
> >  There was a bushfire today at Mt Kembla, only small but clearly fast
> > moving.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: Aussie Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2000 6:37
> > Subject: aus-wx: Dry Winter
> >
> >
> > > Sydney's rainfall in Winter which ends at 9 am this morning was 81.6
mm.
> > > The only drier Winter in the last 100 years was 1970 when 78.7 mm fell
> > > although in 1905 the total was also 81.6 mm.
> > > Sydney's driest ever Winters occurred last century with just 43.2 mm
in
> > > 1895 and 50.3 mm in 1880.
> > >
> > > don White
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Anyone who is on the net & interested - have a look at Darwin 
Radar. Looks more like wet season radar already.............

Lots yellows / Greens around with hopefully good sokaing rains 
ushering in the start of the wet later this month.

On that topic all old timers are begining to say that we will have a 
long wet this year............

Paul in Darwin.

PS - no lightning visible at the moment
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:39:00 +1000
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Evening all,

Does anyone have any information or photographs of the snowfall at Ayers
Rock on 11th July 1997?????

Would love to get hold of  anything at all that you might have (pics,
video, eyewitness reports, satpics, loops etc etc etc) on the southern
Alice Springs region and Ayers Rock on that particular date (also Kings
Canyon)).  BTW, I think there were a couple of books published with pics
of the event in them but I can't remember titles or publishers & I think
the Australian Womens Weekly also had an article on it with photos - any
scanning or memory jogging you might like to do here would be very
greatly appreciated.

Now, I know this is asking a bit much but you never know......the
Centralian Advocate published a pic of 'snow' on a railing at Ayers Rock
taken by a lady who lives in Geelong by the name of Erica Wiener.  Does
anyone down that way know of anyone by this name? (yeah, ok, so that's a
bit of a long shot)

Many thanks for your help,

Jane
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting night in Sydney
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Hi all

Active rain band moving through Sydney currently with some embedded thunder.
Very infrequent lightning(about every 4-5mins), but the stuff there is is
very impressive. Nice deep rumbles of thunder. Could be a fun night ahead...

Matt

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