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I agree to leaving things alone!  I think that even if it were to be 
successful in one area - perhaps the target area, it's bound to have 
negative repercussions in some other area.  Still, I suppose it'd be an 
interesting experiment, albeit, very costly!
Paul G.

>
>Well, just speaking for me. Leave nature alone. Storms and any weather in
>general are here/there for a reason. As far as I can ascertain, it's 
>natures
>way of trying to balance the temperatures across the entire globe. LEAVE IT
>ALONE. As frightening as a tornado or any severe storm may be.
>
>Bussy
>
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>From: Paul Graham <v_notch at hotmail.com>
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>Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:22 PM
>Subject: aus-wx: RESEARCH: Bad News for Storm Chasers!
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >             Take a look at the latest New Scientist.  Bad news for storm
> > chasers, good news for storm haters!  It's feature article is on how to
>bust
> > tornadoes before they can cause damage.  An American scientist by the 
>name
> > of Ben Eastlund has proposed a scheme that might kill a tornado before 
>it
> > can form and cause damage.  The method is to heat the developing 
>downdraft
> > of a storm using microwaves beamed from a solar powered satellite from
>space
> > since the downdraft of the storm is believed to be crucial in tornado
> > formation.
> > Initial computer simulations have provided favourable results.
> > However, dealing with a chaotic system means it may be impossible to say
> > whether the results of such a scheme can be verified.  But the whole 
>idea
> > rests on chaos - a small change such as heating the downdraft may lead 
>to
> > the demise of a developing tornado.
> > In many ways, the idea of controlling nature in this way parallels with
>the
> > recent advances in gene technology and will raise a lot of questions 
>about
> > whether it may do more harm than good.
> > - Paul G.
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Hi Carl + everyone,
                  The estimate proposed in the article is to have an 
irradiance of around 1w/cm^2 in the region where the downdraft is being 
generated, roughly what you would obtain inside a microwave oven.  So you 
wouldn't want to be under the beam.  On the other hand, it is calculated 
that the irradiance at ground level would be neglible as most of the 
radiation would have been absorbed in the downdraft.
Apparently, the satellite would also be able to detect aircraft about to fly 
under the beam and temprorily switch off until they have passed.
- Paul G.


>
>Hi All.
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >            Take a look at the latest New Scientist.  Bad news for storm
> >chasers, good news for storm haters!  It's feature article is on how to 
>bust
> >tornadoes before they can cause damage.  An American scientist by the 
>name
> >of Ben Eastlund has proposed a scheme that might kill a tornado before it
> >can form and cause damage.  The method is to heat the developing 
>downdraft
> >of a storm using microwaves beamed from a solar powered satellite from 
>space
> >since the downdraft of the storm is believed to be crucial in tornado
> >formation.
> >Initial computer simulations have provided favourable results.
> >However, dealing with a chaotic system means it may be impossible to say
> >whether the results of such a scheme can be verified.  But the whole idea
> >rests on chaos - a small change such as heating the downdraft may lead to
> >the demise of a developing tornado.
> >In many ways, the idea of controlling nature in this way parallels with 
>the
> >recent advances in gene technology and will raise a lot of questions 
>about
> >whether it may do more harm than good.
> >- Paul G.
><snip>
>
>Would not want to be anywhere on the ground near where this microwave beam
>is being directed - if it is of sufficient power to heat an airmass, what
>will it do in terms of cooking humans?
>
>Regards,
>Carl.
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:49:20 -0400
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A message with the subject line:
	
	aus-wx: conditions

from: Dane Newman <dpn at bigpond.com>

It also was in aussie-weather-digest V1 #690

It has an attachment which is a Visual Basic script that will virus
computers with MS-Outlook5. Don't open it (if it's not to late). If you
have opened it, read:

	http://www.pchell.com/internet/kakworm.shtml

Let us resolve in the future to send no attachments to the list. I
encourage everyone to have current anti-virus software on their computers.
The way most of these viruses work now is to attach to your e-mail and
infect everyone to whom you send e-mail. A mailing list can really spread
the virus fast, so let's all practice safe e-mail.

David Hart
aussie-weather mailing list administrator


On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, John Graham wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Just d/l my email & someone on the list has the WScript.KakWorm
> virus....don't know who sent it as I deleted it...
> The subject of the email was "conditions", so check ya virus scanners
> everyone............
> Sorry to annoy everyone....  :-(((
> John from Ballina
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Starting with the name - TORNADOES (:</FONT></DIV>
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Hi All.

>Hi All,
>
>Just d/l my email & someone on the list has the WScript.KakWorm
>virus....don't know who sent it as I deleted it...
>The subject of the email was "conditions", so check ya virus scanners
>everyone............
>Sorry to annoy everyone....  :-(((
>John from Ballina
<snip>

I have a Mac, so viruses are not usually problematic to me - the email
refered to above was sent by Dane Newman, and contained the message:

" Down to 0.6c here in Kilsyth this morning Clyve. Dane."

This is followed by several K's of code, that on trying to fathom it, does
appear to include instructions to create some text files called kak, one
with the suffix reg, another with the suffix txt, and another with the
suffix hta.

I suggest that Dane takes steps to deal with this situation, and all those
using Windows who recieved the infected email without your virus scanners
picking it up take steps to clear your computers of it and update your
virus software.

The email from the system administrator, David Hart, just came in as I am
writing this - please note that I did not get an attachment with the
infected email, the virus code was contained in the body of the email
itself.

Regards,
Carl.


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Good stuff! If you get sucked up in a tornado then the law should state that
anything you can grab in there is yours. Or, everyone talks about the
weather, but no-one does anything about it.

Bussy
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> Hello all,
>
> Some weather humour from the students at Bukit View Secondary School,
> Singapore.
>
> There are more jokes from students and teachers around the world on the
> Project Atmosphere Australia Online site at:
>
> http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/jokes.htm
>
> Sel Kerans.
>
> ______________
>
> Don't knock the weather; nine out of ten people couldn't start a
> conversation if it didn't change once in awhile!
>
> Probably the last completely accurate forecast was when God told Noah
there
> was a 100 percent chance of precipitation.
>
> If you see a heat wave, should you wave back???
>
> Why not move the political conventions to one of the winter months, so all
> the hot air won't go to waste???
>
> And now, for your extended forecast: "Foooorrrcaaaasssstt"
>
> What's worse than raining cats and dogs??? HAILING TAXIS!!!
>
> It was raining cats and dogs one day last week, and I got my shoes all wet
> when I stepped in a poodle!!!
>
> Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.
>
> Into each life some rain must fall, especially if you left the car windows
> open.
>
> Most books say our sun is a star. But it still knows how to change back
> into a sun in the daytime.
>
> Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I have
never
> been able to make out the numbers.
>
> Clouds are highflying fogs.
>
> I am not sure how clouds get formed. But the clouds know how to do it, and
> that is the important thing.
>
> Clouds just keep circling the earth around and around. And around. There
is
> not much else to do.
>
> Water vapour gets together in a cloud. When it is big enough to be called
a
> drop, it does.
>
> Humidity is the experience of looking for air and finding water.
>
> Rain is saved up in cloudbanks.
>
> A blizzard is when it snows sideways.
>
> Thunder is a rich source of loudness.
>
> Isotherms and isobars are even more important than their names sound.
>
> It is so hot in some places that the people there have to live in other
> places.
>
> The wind is like the air, only pushier.
>
> You can listen to thunder after lightning and tell how close you came to
> getting hit. If you don't hear it, you got hit, so never mind.
>
>
>
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I got it here too.

Bussy

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> Hi All,
>
> Just d/l my email & someone on the list has the WScript.KakWorm
> virus....don't know who sent it as I deleted it...
> The subject of the email was "conditions", so check ya virus scanners
> everyone............
> Sorry to annoy everyone....  :-(((
> John from Ballina
>
____________________________________________________________________________
> _____________
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> ICQ# 25440353
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Hi all,

Whenever I think of 'coldies', I think of the thermal trough that often
follows about 12-18 hours behind a cold front, very cold air aloft, only
moderate vertical development, glaciation of most of the cloud leading to
very fibrous anvils, no severe weather, but as Les says, maybe a single
crack of thunder and a little gust front that can lower the temp to not
much over freezing, small hail of course, and in South Australia, if you're
lucky and over 500m asl, maybe some snowshowers.

Here's a nice recent Adelaide example.......

http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/WBColdie1.jpg



Bye..........

_________________________________________________________________________
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Hey everyone!

I'm currently in the process of re-vamping my webpage, the rest is down, but 
I've made the severe weather page accessable even though the rest is down.

My fiance is from Florida and I am from Melbourne so most references on the 
site are for the USA and Australia.

Unfortunately, I've had a few problems finding a lot of info for Australia, 
so if you know of some great aussie sites, please let me know so I can 
through some links on.

My website is:   http://www.tastyworm.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:35:03 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: MSC pics
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Jane:

I am just now getting through from here in Huntsville, AL.  I am on travel
and have been having problems connecting to the internet.  These are good
pics but appear to be made up of small squares or a grid across the photos.
 But despite that, these are great pics!

Les

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Bagust <paisley at cobweb.com.au>
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold Air Cells


> Hi all,
>
> Whenever I think of 'coldies', I think of the thermal trough that often
> follows about 12-18 hours behind a cold front, very cold air aloft, only
> moderate vertical development, glaciation of most of the cloud leading to
> very fibrous anvils, no severe weather, but as Les says, maybe a single
> crack of thunder and a little gust front that can lower the temp to not
> much over freezing

That's the kind of thing - in the UK these single cell babies can
occasionally be tornadic with short lived F0 / T2.... the less lucky can get
a good dusting of pea sized hail, snow grains and occasionally blizzards
(but I'm at 55N!) with visibilities down to 50 yards....

I've a similar example at:

http://freespace.virgin.net/les.crossan/ukstorms.htm

about half way down

Les (UK)

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:55:29 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Cold Air Cells
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These cold air cbs are prevalent over the UK because of the relatively warm
water (the gulf stream) which leads to a very steep lapse rate and with the
added instability from the relatively high water vapor content of the
thermals.

Les

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:57:41 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mini/weak tornadoes
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These tornadoes are listed as of unknown intensity if it can be verified
that a tornado occurred at all.

Les

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Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:12:00 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Small single cell
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> An example of a small single cell in deep cold air - there was a cold
incursion of -30C at 10000 feet - NW polar maritime airmass.

Those airmasses ( polar maritime airmasses) particularly encourage this
type of convection.

Les

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Jet Stream / The Weather Machine Program
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Yeah we have Jet Stream focasty thing. goto http://www.theweather.com.au and 
have a browse, you'll find it.


>From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:25:42 +0930
>
>HI all - just finished watching the Weather Machine on Channel 7 -
>not a bad program at all!
>
>One thing I got out of it was the importance of the Jet Stream -
>always knew that it played a part but not as significant as the show
>made out! Do we have models etc that forecast jet stream
>movement / direction?
>
>Also - Darwins doppler is situated at Gunn POint which is about 30
>- 50kms North of the Airport. This is also a research doppler
>looking at a few issues:
>
>a. Sea Breeze convergance (on Bathurst / Melville Island - the
>Hector storm has been known to produce tornado's )
>
>b. Tropical airmasses & improving forecast accuracy.
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OE spit the dummy at this email and said that ActiveX wouldn't load the
page. I saw the text though. I have AVP loaded on my system as I have found
that it is slightly better than Norton 2000 and the pair kick over all else
and Vet is just pathetic! My a/v never told me anything but may have kicked
in without notifying me. It is as good as a full version, no time limits,
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> I got it here too.
>
> Bussy
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> > Just d/l my email & someone on the list has the WScript.KakWorm
> > virus....don't know who sent it as I deleted it...
> > The subject of the email was "conditions", so check ya virus scanners
> > everyone............
> > Sorry to annoy everyone....  :-(((
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From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Inbound/Outbound Radar patterns
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David Findlay wrote:
> Can inbound outbound wind formations that form tornadoes be detected on
> reflectivity radar, without doppler? Does the BOM have doppler radar in
> australia?

Just getting back on line.....and going through these messages
chronologically....if the circulation is sufficiently strong and persistent
it can so distort the echo (precipitation region) that it can be detected. 
Additionally, reflectivity purtibations can be manually or even in an
automated fashion, tracked.  It is often assumed that the typical "hook
echo" detected for periods of time with supercells is generated by the
mesocyclone rotation.  Browning demonstrated that the hook echo, a "giant
precipitation streamer" descending from the echo overhang, can result not
from mesocyclone rotation but by the sheared, horizontal wind field through
which the streamer descends.   However, keep in mind that the three
dimensional reflectivity structure is critical in identifying a supercell
(a storm containing a mesocyclone).  This is determined by radar *volume
scanning*, there is not substitute for that.  Another thing that must be
kept in mind is that the storm is a process and not a "thing".  The rain
and hail that makes up the radar echo during one radar scan is not the same
as is detected during each subsequent radar scan.  That precip falls out,
develops, dissipates, advects, and is replaced by a new ensemble of precip
particles each scan/volume scan of the radar.  The precip echo is
dynamically changing continuously.

Some of this may be redundant with other posts that I have not yet read.

Les
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From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
Subject: aus-wx: RESEARCH: Bad News for Storm Chasers!
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What balderdash!!!   Les (UK) also commented how really stupid this is! 
This guy has been into the "sauce" a little too much....and so have the
editors that accepted this for publication!!!

Les

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Hello Everyone

Im back on the list after a four month break!!

Can I add to the list, for those who do not have required viewing for 2 year
olds in the house, Teletubbies 7.30am ABC. I test my cloud identification while
the young bloke keeps up with the coloured furry friends.
Les from UK do you know where they do the outside filming?

Frost here this morning.

Chas
Strahan Tasmania

Ben Jerrems wrote:

> My thoughts exactly Jane!
>
> Ben
> MSC
>
> >From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: RE: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: Cricket!
> >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:43:47 +1000
> >
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >I thought it was the fact that you got to see a constant supply of the sky
> >&
> >storms in other parts of Australia - do you mean that you actually watch
> >the
> >sport????? - (says she while being guilty of the fact that they couldn't
> >get
> >me out on Sunday when I was batting in Sydney <g>) - I have always enjoyed
> >watching cricket in Brisbane (great storms) & Perth ( great storms like
> >last
> >year <g>) - but strangely enough, when the cricket is in Hobart I can't be
> >dragged anywhere near a TV - ok, so I'll watch English soccer mid-season
> >too
> >for the snow flurries, and then there's the Formula 1 if there's any
> >weather
> >present too ...it's got nothing to do with the sport being played at the
> >bottom of the screen - it's the sky at the top that I'm interested in.....
> >
> >ahem - 1027hPa here and blue sky............eyes to the west......
> >
> >
> >Jane
> >---------------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >ASWA - Victoria
> >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> >---------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >Robert - ever noted how many weather enthusiasts and interested in
> >cricket?
> >Perphas it is the endless supply of statistics /trivia /records that
> >both supply.
> >I luv ém both
> >don W
> >
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Hi

Does anyone have MSLP charts for Sept 22 1999 ?
Email me privatly if you do
thanks in advance

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>Just getting back on line.....and going through these messages
>chronologically....if the circulation is sufficiently strong and persistent
>it can so distort the echo (precipitation region) that it can be detected.
>Additionally, reflectivity purtibations can be manually or even in an
>automated fashion, tracked.  It is often assumed that the typical "hook
>echo" detected for periods of time with supercells is generated by the
>mesocyclone rotation.  Browning demonstrated that the hook echo, a "giant
>precipitation streamer" descending from the echo overhang, can result not
>from mesocyclone rotation but by the sheared, horizontal wind field through
>which the streamer descends.   However, keep in mind that the three
>dimensional reflectivity structure is critical in identifying a supercell
>(a storm containing a mesocyclone).  This is determined by radar *volume
>scanning*, there is not substitute for that.  Another thing that must be
>kept in mind is that the storm is a process and not a "thing".  The rain
>and hail that makes up the radar echo during one radar scan is not the same
>as is detected during each subsequent radar scan.  That precip falls out,
>develops, dissipates, advects, and is replaced by a new ensemble of precip
>particles each scan/volume scan of the radar.  The precip echo is
>dynamically changing continuously.

Okay.... I won't even pretend to understand all of that. Does this mean that
you can detect rotation or not? Anyway what I was looking for this for is to
possibly write some software. I am still figuring out the idea of building a
lightning tracker unit. I would write software that could take the gif radar
images then convert the reflectivity images to data which could be
processed. It would combine this with data from the lightning tracker and
then be able to detect the intensity of various storm cells. What I was
looking for is a way to detect the inbound/outbound patterns that can turn
into tornadoes and display them. It would allow detection tornadoes from
existing types of radar. But thinking about it wouldn't the BOM do this if
it was possible?

Is it possible? Can you detect the inbound/outbounds?

David Findlay

P.S. Please send a reply in English ;-)

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HI All. 

I hope someone can help me here. Due to most people on this list sending
emails as HTML files I for some reason cannot view them. I installed
Office 97 Professional last night, which I believe has something to do
with it. 

If anyone has any ideas on how adjust Netscape Messenger to allow Html
emails pls email me
on davidkc at nia.net.au or ICQ 64538477.  

Thanks 

David 

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Hi list!
  The avn models at this stage are forecasting LI of 
 -4 to -6 for NE NSW for sunday! I hope it maintains
these or better. Gentlemen, start your engines!!
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 Motorists at Lake Tekapo are trapped by about 30cm of snow, as the winter
storm pounds the South Island. Lower down, flooding affects South and
Central Canterbury roads. Over on the West Coast, southeasterly gales have
done some damage, and Wellington awaits southerly gales. All this shouldn't
be particularly unusual for winter, but it's been settled down here for such
a long time, so people have been shocked somewhat. (it's a reality check you
might say)

 Wet all day in Christchurch, not too cold - 9-10 C (relative to average),
and snow isn't expected lower than about 500 metres. Could be a very cold
southerly outbreak (ECMW models) early next week though.

Ben
Christchurch
NZ



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Not sure about Sunday but Tuesday is looking good!
Paul G.

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>Hi list!
>   The avn models at this stage are forecasting LI of
>  -4 to -6 for NE NSW for sunday! I hope it maintains
>these or better. Gentlemen, start your engines!!
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Hi all

I just got my lightning photos back of the storm that hit Melbourne on
the 8th this month and, to be honest, they came out crap. Now, I'm not
complaining about the photo developer I take my film to. I think the
technique that I use to take the shots is fine as I took two really good
ones last year on the 9th of October using the same setup. 

At the moment I'm sort of concluding that the storm itself didn't conspire
to produce good shots, and I'm wondering how other peoples photos came
out. 

The problem for me is that the background clouds are too lit up, and so
the stroke gets 'lost' in all the light. I'm sort of thinking that there
was too much rain which reflected the light from the lightning hence
giving poor results. Now if other peoples photos came out good, then I may
have to make some changes of my own. But if the storm itself was at fault,
then I can rest easy. 
As Milli Vanilli would lip sync: 
"Gotta blame it on something
 Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling
 ....
 Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
 Blame it on the rain yeah yeah"
[Whoa, I think I know too much of that song 8-P ]

For those interested, my shots that had bolts in them are at:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2000/Aug/august_pictures.html
while the better ones taken last year are:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/1999/Oct/09oct01.jpg
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/1999/Oct/10oct03.jpg

...09oct01.jpg was taken from my room like those from 08 Aug and so if you
look at the foreground lights you can compare their brightness and see
that the exposure was longer in the ...09oct01.jpg case than for 08 Aug,
and yet the lightning bolt is clearly visible. 
 
Any thoughts?


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

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http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

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Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
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> These cold air cbs are prevalent over the UK

They can be as long as there isn't a hint of returning polar maritime air -
the NW airstream must be direct... then radar / satellite can show a rash of
cloud covering the UK....

Les

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Hi Robert,

Sorry to say, mine came out the same.

I was a bit further from the storm than it looks like you were, from your
photos.  In mine I think the problem was that the cloud was lower than I am
used to and the very heavy rain which was between the lightning and where I
was.

Maybe next time.

Chris


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>
> Hi all
>
> I just got my lightning photos back of the storm that hit Melbourne on
> the 8th this month and, to be honest, they came out crap. Now, I'm not
> complaining about the photo developer I take my film to. I think the
> technique that I use to take the shots is fine as I took two really good
> ones last year on the 9th of October using the same setup.
>
> At the moment I'm sort of concluding that the storm itself didn't conspire
> to produce good shots, and I'm wondering how other peoples photos came
> out.
>
> The problem for me is that the background clouds are too lit up, and so
> the stroke gets 'lost' in all the light. I'm sort of thinking that there
> was too much rain which reflected the light from the lightning hence
> giving poor results. Now if other peoples photos came out good, then I may
> have to make some changes of my own. But if the storm itself was at fault,
> then I can rest easy.
> As Milli Vanilli would lip sync:
> "Gotta blame it on something
>  Blame it on the rain that was falling, falling
>  ....
>  Whatever you do don't put the blame on you
>  Blame it on the rain yeah yeah"
> [Whoa, I think I know too much of that song 8-P ]
>
> For those interested, my shots that had bolts in them are at:
>
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2000/Aug/august_pictures.htm
l
> while the better ones taken last year are:
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/1999/Oct/09oct01.jpg
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/1999/Oct/10oct03.jpg
>
> ...09oct01.jpg was taken from my room like those from 08 Aug and so if you
> look at the foreground lights you can compare their brightness and see
> that the exposure was longer in the ...09oct01.jpg case than for 08 Aug,
> and yet the lightning bolt is clearly visible.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
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From: "bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: SLIGHTLY OFFTOPIC All about tornado's
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:59:38 +1000
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From: "Ben Jerrems" <beanzvision at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: Peoples lightning photos from Melb storm - 08 Aug
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Hi Robert,
          Ben Jerrems (MSC),Saw your photo's, not to bad! Is it because of 
the sky being to bright? Try stopping it down to about F-11 if the bolts 
look close or F- 5.6, 4.5 if it seems distant!
         Good luck!!

P.S. the crawler bolt is close! the other one is distant!
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 18:59:27 +1000
From: Susan Puddifer <susanpud at healey.com.au>
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Susan From Balmain

Today my brother sent me this warning re new virus.  Can anyone please
remind me what the site addy was for checking out if warnings about a
new virus were accurate and that there really is a new virus or if it is

just spam mail - I seem to have misplaced the address.

1. There is a new virus - WOBBLER. It will arrive on e-mail titled
CALIFORNIA. IBM and AOL have announced that it is very powerful, more so

than Melissa, there is no remedy. It will eat all your information on
the hard drive and also destroys Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
Internet Explorer. Do not open anything with this title and please pass
this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses your e-mail
facility. Not many people seem to know about this yet so propagate it as

fast as possible.
 2. If you receive an e-mail titled "Win A. Holiday" DO NOT open it. It
will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter to as many

people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning
from Microsoft.



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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:25:45 +1000
From: Keith Barnett <weather at ozemail.com.au>
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Seems the Sydney Weather Bureau is planning to work late, without any
liquid refreshment:

FORECAST FOR Tonight and Saturday  
Cloudy periods. Chance of an early morning, otherwise dry. Cool day. 
Light to moderate southwest to southeast winds.
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 19:52:15 +1000
From: David Carroll <davidkc at nia.net.au>
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HI Susan.. 

Yes i got that warning as well.. Dont pay any attention to it.. 

The site is called http://www.f-secure.com/virus-info/hoax/

Hope this helps./. 

Dave
Bathurst NSW 
ICQ # 64538477

Susan Puddifer wrote:
> 
> Susan From Balmain
> 
> Today my brother sent me this warning re new virus.  Can anyone please
> remind me what the site addy was for checking out if warnings about a
> new virus were accurate and that there really is a new virus or if it is
> 
> just spam mail - I seem to have misplaced the address.
> 
> 1. There is a new virus - WOBBLER. It will arrive on e-mail titled
> CALIFORNIA. IBM and AOL have announced that it is very powerful, more so
> 
> than Melissa, there is no remedy. It will eat all your information on
> the hard drive and also destroys Netscape Navigator and Microsoft
> Internet Explorer. Do not open anything with this title and please pass
> this message on to all your contacts and anyone who uses your e-mail
> facility. Not many people seem to know about this yet so propagate it as
> 
> fast as possible.
>  2. If you receive an e-mail titled "Win A. Holiday" DO NOT open it. It
> will erase everything on your hard drive. Forward this letter to as many
> 
> people as you can. This is a new, very malicious virus and not many
> people know about it. This information was announced yesterday morning
> from Microsoft.
> 
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Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:33:48 +1000
From: Susan Puddifer <susanpud at healey.com.au>
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Thanks for the site info, I was pretty sure it was another hoax and had
already told my brother thats most likely what it was.
Anyway as a Mac user I dont get too worried about all these 'virus'
warnings

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From: "John Graham" <gorzzzz at Dingoblue.net.au>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Glen O'Riley <glen.oriley at linx.iwarp.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 10:46 AM
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> OE spit the dummy at this email and said that ActiveX wouldn't load the
> page. I saw the text though. I have AVP loaded on my system as I have
found
> that it is slightly better than Norton 2000 and the pair kick over all
else
> and Vet is just pathetic! My a/v never told me anything but may have
kicked
> in without notifying me. It is as good as a full version, no time limits,
> was free and has free updates on the internet. AVP even send me warning
> emails for such things as Love Letter before most are even aware of the
> situation.
>
I use Norton AV 2000 here, that's how I found it...........I don't know if
AVP has email protection, but I'm bloody happy it works...........
John

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Subject: aus-wx: FORECAST:  Severe Storms NSW Tuesday 22nd?
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Hi everyone,
           Looks like a really exciting storm system is developing for next 
Tuesday afternoon for central to northern NSW.  Let's just hope we don't end 
up with another rainband.  Certainly it looks like it will be an excellent 
severe storm situation if it stays clear and in fact, I wonder if there may 
even be some tornadic thunderstorms around given some of the prog's showing 
a sharp upper trough following a strong surface trough with a mid level low 
situated around Adelaide.  It looks like it is forming into similar pattern 
that in the past has brought tornadic supercells to northern and eastern NSW 
and south-east QLD.
- Paul G.
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