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Hi All.

<snip>
>Incredible tornado footage in the suburbs of Melbourne, footage of the
>waterspout in Japan and footage of fire-devils in the states!!! All in
>the one bulletin of Nightline!
>
>The world's going 'nader-crazy!
>
>Andrew.
>

Yes, saw the Melbourne tornado footage on Ch 9's Nightline as well - also I
DID NOT hear them use that dreaded M word in front tornado it at any stage
in the report!

Of course, the footage showed what was unmistakably a tornado, with the
funnel coming down from the cloud base, and you could see transformers or
something exploding in showers of sparks on the ground.

Those that missed it may get another look on the morning TV news, as it is
good enough footage for them to air it more than once.

Regards,
Carl.

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Here is a loop I constructed with the hourly enhanced IR images of
Victoria. It runs from 3pm EST through to midnight.

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_08_08/EnhancedIR/irloop.html


Cheers

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Hi all,

I saw the footage of the tornadoes in Melbourne - very impressive!!! 
The funnel was not reaching the ground (although you could see the
rotation at the bottom), and the power flashes were amongst the best
that I've ever seen!!!  That person videoing was perhaps a little too
close for comfort!

Sky News also showed more footage of (another?) tornado taken from
inside a car - it looks quite different to the other tornado (the funnel
was reaching the ground here).

Perhaps some of the Vic ASWA members can ring up the TV stations and
track down the person who took the footage?  (Jane?  Macca?)  I'm sure
there's plenty more footage then what they showed on the news!!!

I did some radar loops off my radar archives:
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Broad.gif
http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Local.gif

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(ASWA)
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i just saw the footage, ooooooooooooo so kewl! they looked great, also
great that no one was seriously hurt. Its great for naders to be captured
on film here, im stoked!!! Did any vic ppl chase? Fill us in, ta

Ira

At 00:43 9/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I saw the footage of the tornadoes in Melbourne - very impressive!!! 
>The funnel was not reaching the ground (although you could see the
>rotation at the bottom), and the power flashes were amongst the best
>that I've ever seen!!!  That person videoing was perhaps a little too
>close for comfort!
>
>Sky News also showed more footage of (another?) tornado taken from
>inside a car - it looks quite different to the other tornado (the funnel
>was reaching the ground here).
>
>Perhaps some of the Vic ASWA members can ring up the TV stations and
>track down the person who took the footage?  (Jane?  Macca?)  I'm sure
>there's plenty more footage then what they showed on the news!!!
>
>I did some radar loops off my radar archives:
>http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Broad.gif
>http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Local.gif
>
>-- 
>Anthony Cornelius
>Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>(ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>14 Kinsella St
>Belmont, Brisbane
>QLD, 4153
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Can people please have a squiz at the 12Z shot in this IR Loop and tell
me if the hook in the clouds just north and east of Melbourne, centred
around a spot of higher intensity is the tornadic storm I think it is??
To my untrained eye it looks like a great sat pic!

Andrew.

Robert Goler wrote:
> 
> Here is a loop I constructed with the hourly enhanced IR images of
> Victoria. It runs from 3pm EST through to midnight.
> 
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_08_08/EnhancedIR/irloop.html
> 
> Cheers
> 
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> 
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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Blackouts, - Lightning
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2.19am 09/08/2000

HI all.

I was called in about 1.15am this morning. Blackouts all around Advance
Energy's area.

So far, Carcoar, Blayney, Burraga (near Oberon) , Neville, Cowra.
Coonabarabran.
Lightning in all these areas. Trees on power lines. Insulators blown from
poles also.
Its going to be an interesting morning.

Dave

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heya Deano,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Howzit going over there in the far Eastern town of 
Monbulk.....(j/k).&nbsp; For those who don't know Sunbury is actually a suburb 
to the NW of the city out past the airport.&nbsp; I'm not too sure how you came 
to the conclusion of straight line winds from the very little information given 
but due to the lack of directional shear in the atmosphere today I would tend to 
agree.&nbsp; Plenty of speed shear has allowed some of these storms to be 
particularly long living.&nbsp; Probably severe multicells.&nbsp; The cell which 
effected Sunbury first pooped up on radar NW of Daylesford and it went from 
nothing to pink in just 30 mins (this was at about 3:30pm).&nbsp; From here it 
pulsed in and out of the highest intensity (red) for about 30 mins and then 
after that it remained "in the red" for a very long time with the cell 
eventually passing just N of the CBD (while I was in the bloody doctors surgery 
getting the rest of the week off for flu).&nbsp; It continued to maintain its 
intensity while tracking over the E and SE suburbs and finally disapated not all 
that long ago (about 8pm).&nbsp; The trough which caused this is now heading out 
to the east with a severe storm advice still out for the Northern Country.&nbsp; 
Thunderstorms are forecast to continue until the actual front passes and there 
is also a chance of storms W of the front for a while as well.&nbsp; The front 
is estimated to be crossing Melbourne at about 11pm tonight.&nbsp; <PRE><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is the latest metar for Melbourne.  They are not going for any more storms but the latest sat pic and radar shows the potential</FONT></PRE><PRE><FONT face=Arial size=2> is still there for some action.  </FONT></PRE></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><PRE>10:37 UTC, 08/08/2000
TTF METAR YMML 1030Z 34008KT 9999 VCSH FEW030 SCT045 BKN110 12/09
     Q1007 RMK RF00.0/006.8 LIGHTNING TO SOUTH
     FM1130 27012KT 9999 SHRA FEW015 SCT030
     INTER 1030/1330 5000 +SHRA BKN012
     FM1030 MOD TURB BLW 5000FT
</PRE><PRE><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;</PRE><PRE><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew McDOnald</FONT></PRE><PRE>&nbsp;</PRE><PRE>&nbsp;</PRE></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I just received word of a 
  severe storm that has just caused damage to the north-western Victorian town 
  of Sunbury. A basketball stadium was destroyed and a number of homes unroofed. 
  There is very little information to go by, however, at this stage it appears 
  that the phenomenon may fit the category of straight-line winds. </FONT></DIV>
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Hello all.
The tornado footage looked strangely similar to an American tornado i saw
earlier in July! I will check into it.
regards Clyve H
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> Hi all,
>
> I saw the footage of the tornadoes in Melbourne - very impressive!!!
> The funnel was not reaching the ground (although you could see the
> rotation at the bottom), and the power flashes were amongst the best
> that I've ever seen!!!  That person videoing was perhaps a little too
> close for comfort!
>
> Sky News also showed more footage of (another?) tornado taken from
> inside a car - it looks quite different to the other tornado (the funnel
> was reaching the ground here).
>
> Perhaps some of the Vic ASWA members can ring up the TV stations and
> track down the person who took the footage?  (Jane?  Macca?)  I'm sure
> there's plenty more footage then what they showed on the news!!!
>
> I did some radar loops off my radar archives:
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Broad.gif
> http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Local.gif
>
> --
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> (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
> 14 Kinsella St
> Belmont, Brisbane
> QLD, 4153
> Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm
> reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Back again,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Ryan from the Melbourne Bureau was on 774 and 
suggested wind gusts to 150km/h were possible this afternoon.&nbsp; 774 3LO 
(local radio) also had people ring in earlier reporting funnel/spout cloud type 
features (his words) in Sunbury AND near Ballarat as well.&nbsp; This would 
initially instill thoughts of tornadoes (note the plural) into people minds 
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From: "David Findlay" <nedz at bigpond.com>
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>Just saw sensational footage of a tornado in Melb. on Nightline. What's
>happening down there and who chased it???

Anyone got screen captures or real photos, please post them somewhere! What
was it on the Fujita scale, and was there much damage?

David Findlay

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Jane

Its Kosher!

Haven't you heard the latest news. 

The Bureau  has  announced it is opening up access to
all its data for free before the Olympics.  It was
supossed have happened on by 1 August, but they had
some stuff up.


The guy at the Bureau said just use

student             p32remud

 until they solve some technical contractor stuff up
and can make the data free. 

 He wasn't interested in trying  to register me
properly.

Frank
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>Haven't you heard the latest news.

>The Bureau  has  announced it is opening up access to
>all its data for free before the Olympics.  It was
>supossed have happened on by 1 August, but they had
>some stuff up.

>The guy at the Bureau said just use
>student             p32remud

Is this for real and forever? Will I be able to load the data into Digital
Atmosphere for interpretation?

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>Yes, saw the Melbourne tornado footage on Ch 9's Nightline as well - also I
>DID NOT hear them use that dreaded M word in front tornado it at any stage
>in the report!

You know, they did not use the M word in SA yesterday in regards to the
Robe tornado.  I've got a feeling that perhaps the Australian media is
starting to put that word to bed - in no small part thanks to the good work
of certain ASWA members!

That Melbourne footage is awesome!!  Has anyone saved a radar loop?

From a jealous and uneventful Adelaide  ;(

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Trough arrived around 2.00am with a period of heavy showers and strong
winds - but no lightning/thunder.

28mm in my guage this morning for last 24hrs. Current (8am) temp of 7.7,
moderate westerly winds and light showers (which might help restore some of
the snow losses from the heavy rain in the alpine over the last day).

Patrick


>At 10.50pm the Wagga radar is back on line.Shows a pretty solid area of
>storms arriving in the Wagga area (storms confirmed by the METAR).
>
>Should arrive in Canberra about 1.00am...??
>
>Looking forward to the show..and who knows they may even get across the
>Tasman to the Sth Island for the truly storm deprived??
>
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Hi all,

This morning on Channel 9 Today news, I have seen a news about torando in
Melbourne include footage of tornado with powerline explosion and footage
of damage property. Sound scary and interesting.

I am wondering if anyone have seen on this Today news this morning. :)

From Nathan.
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Hi every1,

Went up to the top of Mt. Wycheproof (43 m above surrounding plain <g>) to 
take some happy snaps of a building puppy to the south-west about 3.45 p.m. 
yesterday. Got some nice structure shots and was impressed by the speed at 
which the Cbs were developing. No lightning observed however and the storms 
seemed to be building much more impressively to the east and south.

Later on heard about the Melbourne tornado!!! Footage was unreal and looked 
to be taken from a chaser (shots through windscreen-wipers). Anybody know 
who bagged this puppy??

Great stuff for early August! Bring on springtime proper!

Cheers,
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class=670313522-08082000>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Channel 9 
8.30 news this morning talked of a tornado, showing a pic of a definate funnel. 
The report did not say where it was, and the pic was taken from a tall building. 
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  and suggested wind gusts to 150km/h were possible this afternoon.&nbsp; 774 
  3LO (local radio) also had people ring in earlier reporting funnel/spout cloud 
  type features (his words) in Sunbury AND near Ballarat as well.&nbsp; This 
  would initially instill thoughts of tornadoes (note the plural) into people 
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>This morning on Channel 9 Today news, I have seen a news about torando in
>Melbourne include footage of tornado with powerline explosion and footage
>of damage property. Sound scary and interesting.
>I am wondering if anyone have seen on this Today news this morning. :)

I just saw it. The funnel didn't seem to reach the ground. But I think i saw
a slight debris cloud. Was it an F2?

David Findlay

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Here are a few articles regarding the recent events:

NINEMSN (Re:Sunbury)
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/01_national/story_7808.asp

HERALD-SUN (Re:Sunbury)
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,1048075%255E1243,00.html

THE ADVERTISER (Re:Robe)
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,1047417%255E421,00.html

Cya!
Simon

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Son of a Bitch, Melbourne get's stroms and a tornado, urgh and we got zitch! 
Oh well I did say there would be storms on my b-day, hehehehehe.

How was it Melbournites?? I watched those storms develop all day! Two huge 
Cb Clavious' colided and formed probably the Supercell that produced that 
twister, It was amazing, pitty I didn't have my camera with me, I do today 
though, could be a carbon copy, wind is light from the north and there is 
heavy dew which was evedent yesterday.

Well I have a pic for some of you, of a winter Cb
http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/storm1.jpg
and this is the Ballarat Storm watcher; me.
http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/thestormwatcher.jpg

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From: Harald Richter <hrichter at enterprise.nssl.noaa.gov>
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Hi Andrew:

The "hook" on the image

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2000_08_08/EnhancedIR/1200.gif

looks the wrong scale to me.  Hook echoes from supercells
usually measure about 1-2 kilometres (or less) across.
They are commonly detected using a low-level radar slice,
not IR satellite cloud top temperature.
Also, the IR satellite image has a resolution of 1 km (or 4 km),
which is at least the size of a standard hook itself.

Compare the 12Z IR image with the 12Z frame of

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Broad.gif

The IR hook is a line of showers and storms extending WNW
towards Bendigo, I think.

Only supercells of the outtathisworld category allegedly show a hook
throughout the depth of the storm which can be observed
from a satellite.  The Wichita Falls storm which produced
an F5 tornado in 1979 was such a beast.

Congrats to the Victorian contingent for improving the VIC
tornado statistics.

Harald


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According to eye-witness reports,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/state/vic/metvic-9aug2000-2.htm
it appears the damage in Sunbury last night was associated with a tornado.

Have to say I can't recall seeing such a dramatic wintertime electrical
display in Melbourne before. At its peak, there would have been a visible
discharge every 5 seconds or so in Box Hill. The wind was also impressive
(down drafts), with gusts which I would estimate to be around 35 knots. All
up 10mm from the first (major) storm with some small hail.

Cheers,

David

                                                              
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>From: "McDonald" <mcdonald at one.net.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER REPORT: two tornadoes in Vic
>Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 21:51:17 +1000
>
>Back again,
>
>Terry Ryan from the Melbourne Bureau was on 774 and suggested wind gusts to 
>150km/h were possible this afternoon.  774 3LO (local radio) also had 
>people ring in earlier reporting funnel/spout cloud type features (his 
>words) in Sunbury AND near Ballarat as well.  This would initially instill 
>thoughts of tornadoes (note the plural) into people minds (mine too - i 
>take back what i said before about it being unlikely).  They intend to 
>investigate tomorrow.  I'll keep you all updated as information comes to 
>hand.
>
>Andrew McDonald
>
>
Near Ballarat???? All I saw all day was Storms developing to my NE-E and 
swiftly moving away, and I thought to myself, self, Melbourne or/and Geelong 
are going to cop it.

It was Mostly Fine here. "Sun" Shower every now and then, Damn I wish the 
storms had of developed more towards the west of north. Doh!

Les

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What I saw of the twister on the news, on the F scale prob F2?

The storms could have been worse I think if they had of hit early afternoon 
or late morning, as the sun would have kept them alive longer.
As soon as the sun went so did the storms.

Is spring finally here?? Could we see more tornadic storms???

Les


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> >Just saw sensational footage of a tornado in Melb. on Nightline. What's
> >happening down there and who chased it???
>
>Anyone got screen captures or real photos, please post them somewhere! What
>was it on the Fujita scale, and was there much damage?
>
>David Findlay
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I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the ninemsn.com.au 
web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. IT'S a 
DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*

Get is right newspeople.


>From: Phil Bagust <paisley at cobweb.com.au>
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>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:53:05 +0930
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>
> >Yes, saw the Melbourne tornado footage on Ch 9's Nightline as well - also 
>I
> >DID NOT hear them use that dreaded M word in front tornado it at any 
>stage
> >in the report!
>
>You know, they did not use the M word in SA yesterday in regards to the
>Robe tornado.  I've got a feeling that perhaps the Australian media is
>starting to put that word to bed - in no small part thanks to the good work
>of certain ASWA members!
>
>That Melbourne footage is awesome!!  Has anyone saved a radar loop?
>
>From a jealous and uneventful Adelaide  ;(
>
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>I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the ninemsn.com.au
>web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. IT'S a
>DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*

Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
people they will say it was a mini tornado!

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What have we got to do to get an ASWA rep. on the panel, or some other
such panel of people who make themselves look as if they know nothing
about anything?

...Andrew.

David Findlay wrote:
> 
> >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the ninemsn.com.au
> >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. IT'S a
> >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
> 
> Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
> people they will say it was a mini tornado!
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I work with 150 people from just about every Wollongong suburb and the best
hailstone reported was a little over 1cm, but lots and lots of them. The BOM
warning had hail large enough to damage cars at Corrimal, but I have a box
of hailstones somebody brought in from Corrimal as a present and they are
all 1cm or less.

After several coups in the forecast department at work, with the cold fronts
early this winter, this storm had dinged my reputation as I did predict it
an hour or so out, but said it was very weak. Of course the ' very weak '
was the sole comment that everybody remembers me for.

Michael


> line photo, also the Wollongong (possible) supercell. I wonder if there
> were more reports from this event as people heard of media reports of
> tennis ball sized hail.... I wish someone could confirm or disprove it..
>



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Not sure on my chasing situation this year and probably won't know until a
week or so out. I too share Clyve's thoughts about chasing SE Queensland.
Gympie and the that area draw me, although terrain isn't chase friendly.
Ideal situation would be to get a three day event starting in the Hunter,
than onto the tablelands or Darling Downs, then over to the Wide Bay area.

Such events have happened ! Perhaps a 4 day event for Clyve starting on the
border of NSW/VIC

Michael


> Hi Jimmy and all.
> I think the window period is as you said last week of Nov and first week
of
> Dec .Im not sure how many are coming from Vic I am trying to arrange about
a
> week at this time and i am looking forward to hitting the road although i
> will be giving Thargominda a miss! Hopefully north east N.S.W and
southeast
> Q.L.D.will be firering up. regards Clyve.
> ----- Original Message -----



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Never mind pileus
What about castellanus ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

A number of us from around the country have been discussing the
pronounciation of the word PILEUS for a long time, so before I get into the
normal summer conversations that I have with severe-wx at the BoM which
usually goes " there was pileus at about 18,000' " " oh, you mean pileus "
(and their pronounciation depends on who you are talking to) I thought I'd
get it worked out now.

So far we have come up with the following phonetic pronounciations.... (and
as I don't have a keyboard that will display long & short vowels & emphases
I hope you can work out what I'm getting at) Double capitals show both
emphasis and long vowels, gaps show syllables.

PS: warn the family before they find you sitting there repeating these
words to your computer <g>
pill AA us

 pIIle EEus

 pillius

 Thanx for yor help and I hOp that yor familEE dusnt larf at yoo too mutch.

 JAAn
 --------------------------------
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From: Malcolm Ninnes <NinnesM at franklins.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000
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My ears tweak to the sounds of 'Wide Bay'....we can all drop in at my
parents place in Maryborough and setup a new base and chase from there,
hehehe...wonder what they would say if I mentioned it to them, hmm....prolly
freak out :)


Mal.

> ----------
> From: 	Michael Thompson[SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, 9 August 2000 10:22
> To: 	aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: 	Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000
> 
> Not sure on my chasing situation this year and probably won't know until a
> week or so out. I too share Clyve's thoughts about chasing SE Queensland.
> Gympie and the that area draw me, although terrain isn't chase friendly.
> Ideal situation would be to get a three day event starting in the Hunter,
> than onto the tablelands or Darling Downs, then over to the Wide Bay area.
> 
> Such events have happened ! Perhaps a 4 day event for Clyve starting on
> the
> border of NSW/VIC
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> > Hi Jimmy and all.
> > I think the window period is as you said last week of Nov and first week
> of
> > Dec .Im not sure how many are coming from Vic I am trying to arrange
> about
> a
> > week at this time and i am looking forward to hitting the road although
> i
> > will be giving Thargominda a miss! Hopefully north east N.S.W and
> southeast
> > Q.L.D.will be firering up. regards Clyve.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
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Subject: aus-wx: VIC TORNADO
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morning All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well if you haven't yet seen the footage of this 
tornado I urge you all to watch your news tonight (channel 9 had the best 
footage here but it may vary from state to state).&nbsp; There were two separate 
locations and two very different funnel shapes.&nbsp; I'm not saying there was 
two separate funnels - just two different stages.&nbsp; One was about 3/4 of the 
way to the ground - taken from inside a car at a distance of about 7km (rough 
estimate) but you cannot see the ground so no touchdown could be confirmed - the 
funnel was cone shaped close to cloud base and then narrows rapidly futher 
down.&nbsp; The other footage is taken from a hill NW of Melbourne and you can 
see the funnel extending about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way down but underneath there 
is clear and definite contact with the ground.&nbsp; The funnel is cone shaped 
here.&nbsp; Power flashes with sparks spiraling into the funnel are so clear, 
basically confirming&nbsp;the touchdown and hence then tornado.&nbsp; There was 
also some more footage on Channel 10 last night from the same hill which showed 
a different shape funel again.&nbsp; This was more elephant trunk type - 
imagine&nbsp;a full elephant trunk tornado on the ground and then cut the bottom 
3/4 off and that's what it looked like.&nbsp; There are reports of damage from 
Sunbury, Tullamarine, Airport West and Essendon.&nbsp; The distance from Sunbury 
to Essendon is about 20km.....it'll be interesting to hear from the BoM later 
today - they are doing a damage survey this morning.&nbsp; I am going to head 
out today for a short drive to see if i can find the place where the footage was 
taken from and also out past Sunbury to see if the damage starts further out 
(there are a few dirt roads out there which I know of).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have taped all the&nbsp;above mentioned news 
reports and will bring it along to the next Vic ASWA meeting (9th September - 
Doncaster Pancake Parlour) as well as my footage of the earlier storms and 
lightning footage.&nbsp; Unfortunately I was unable to chase as I have the flu 
and had a doctors appointment at 5:45pm (just 5 mins after the tornado).&nbsp; 
Chris Gribben was able to chase after work but he'll fill us in later as to how 
he went.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway - to top it off there is a slight chance of 
weak thunderstorms again here later today (but these will be definite cold air 
CB's).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep an eye on the MSC page for the report of 
yesterday's storms...it'll probably be up later in the week or the 
weekend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Enjoy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew McDonald</FONT></DIV>
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Could the ASWA please send a definition sheet to all newsreaders and
producers in Australia? They would need to explain gust, tornado, cyclone,
wind, hurricane, mini, storm, cloud, etc. I just saw a channel 10 news
report that used all of those terms interchangably to descibe an F2 tornado
in Melbourne. Do they actually consult the dictionary?

At least the BOM guy used the correct terminology.

David Findlay

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Never mind pileus
What about castellanus ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


John & other grammaticians, 

kast ell arn us is my vote

Jane
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Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 11:07:32 +1000
From: Geelong Weather Services <gws at pipeline.com.au>
Subject: Geelong report

Last night's storm through Sunbury and Melb happened at the same time as a
much smaller, narrower band through North Geelong, the eastern suburbs and
Bellarine Peninsula.  To date I've heard of no major damage or interesting
sightings.  Rainfall was between 5-10 mm over most parts and hail around 1
cm was reported at Clifton Springs.  Geelong AWS, south of the city only got
3 mm, Avalon (North) 1 mm.  No Highton Tornado this time! Lindsay Smail.


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I nominate myself for the job. Anyone wanna second it???
I'll tell them what we think.


>From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:46:59 +1000
>
>What have we got to do to get an ASWA rep. on the panel, or some other
>such panel of people who make themselves look as if they know nothing
>about anything?
>
>...Andrew.
>
>David Findlay wrote:
> >
> > >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the 
>ninemsn.com.au
> > >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. 
>IT'S a
> > >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
> >
> > Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
> > people they will say it was a mini tornado!
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From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Is your mum's name Meg? :-)

People can also stay at my house (if I'm here, I'll be chasing myself
for 2 weeks)...we can also stay at the farm Mon-Thurs (not Fri-Sun
though).

But it'll generally be for those I chase with.



Malcolm Ninnes wrote:
> 
> My ears tweak to the sounds of 'Wide Bay'....we can all drop in at my
> parents place in Maryborough and setup a new base and chase from there,
> hehehe...wonder what they would say if I mentioned it to them, hmm....prolly
> freak out :)
> 
> Mal.
> 
> > ----------
> > From:         Michael Thompson[SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
> > Sent:         Wednesday, 9 August 2000 10:22
> > To:   aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject:      Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000
> >
> > Not sure on my chasing situation this year and probably won't know until a
> > week or so out. I too share Clyve's thoughts about chasing SE Queensland.
> > Gympie and the that area draw me, although terrain isn't chase friendly.
> > Ideal situation would be to get a three day event starting in the Hunter,
> > than onto the tablelands or Darling Downs, then over to the Wide Bay area.
> >
> > Such events have happened ! Perhaps a 4 day event for Clyve starting on
> > the
> > border of NSW/VIC
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jimmy and all.
> > > I think the window period is as you said last week of Nov and first week
> > of
> > > Dec .Im not sure how many are coming from Vic I am trying to arrange
> > about
> > a
> > > week at this time and i am looking forward to hitting the road although
> > i
> > > will be giving Thargominda a miss! Hopefully north east N.S.W and
> > southeast
> > > Q.L.D.will be firering up. regards Clyve.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
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Les,

We have had this discussion at committee level.  I think at this point the
discussion about terminology and reporting should be referred to the ASWA
President Jimmy Deguara.

Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria


I nominate myself for the job. Anyone wanna second it???
I'll tell them what we think.


>From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:46:59 +1000
>
>What have we got to do to get an ASWA rep. on the panel, or some other
>such panel of people who make themselves look as if they know nothing
>about anything?
>
>...Andrew.
>
>David Findlay wrote:
> >
> > >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the
>ninemsn.com.au
> > >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over.
>IT'S a
> > >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
> >
> > Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
> > people they will say it was a mini tornado!
> >
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:50:02 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Leslie,

You're not an ASWA member!!!!!!!!  So you can't do things on behalf of
ASWA!

And just for some clarrification, all public announcements/activites in
regards to ASWA must be cleared by your state representative before they
can proceed.  If neccessary, your state representative will explore the
neccessary avenues to gain approval/disproval of the public
announcement/activity.

Thought I'd better mention it...

If people have ideas of what they'd like to do in regards to ASWA - they
should inform their state representative also, and then they will look
at the idea (and probably bring it up at the next state meeting).

Just remember, this is not an ASWA mailing list, an Aussie-weather one
:-)

Anthony Cornelius

Leslie Baxter wrote:
> 
> I nominate myself for the job. Anyone wanna second it???
> I'll tell them what we think.
> 
> >From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Tornado on Nightline!!
> >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:46:59 +1000
> >
> >What have we got to do to get an ASWA rep. on the panel, or some other
> >such panel of people who make themselves look as if they know nothing
> >about anything?
> >
> >...Andrew.
> >
> >David Findlay wrote:
> > >
> > > >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the
> >ninemsn.com.au
> > > >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over.
> >IT'S a
> > > >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
> > >
> > > Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
> > > people they will say it was a mini tornado!
> > >
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I agree with Michael. I was in my car at the top of the Illawarra escarpment and saw the hail from the main hail shower on the ground, and then experienced a second hail fall. They certainly were not any bigger than 6-7mm up there, with a photo comparing them with a ten cent coin taken. This is available on the chase report on Jimmy and Michael B's Storm News website.

Andrew Godsman

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> From: 	Michael Thompson[SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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> 
> I work with 150 people from just about every Wollongong suburb and the best
> hailstone reported was a little over 1cm, but lots and lots of them. The BOM
> warning had hail large enough to damage cars at Corrimal, but I have a box
> of hailstones somebody brought in from Corrimal as a present and they are
> all 1cm or less.
> 
> After several coups in the forecast department at work, with the cold fronts
> early this winter, this storm had dinged my reputation as I did predict it
> an hour or so out, but said it was very weak. Of course the ' very weak '
> was the sole comment that everybody remembers me for.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> > line photo, also the Wollongong (possible) supercell. I wonder if there
> > were more reports from this event as people heard of media reports of
> > tennis ball sized hail.... I wish someone could confirm or disprove it..
> >
> 
> 
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I checked "Results of Rainfall Observations made in NSW", published
1948, and its list of tornadoes only goes back to 1914. I don't know
if this is the volume you had in mind, Blair?

Laurier

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:30:50 +1000 (EST), Blair Trewin
<blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au> wrote:

>> Also does anyone have any info on a Torando in Deniliquin in 1890 ? all
>> i know is that it damaged 200 houses. I guess im asking BoM people here,
>> i doubt anyone else has any info.
>> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance
>
>I imagine there would be something in the old 'rain and river observations'
>volumes in the Bureau library. I'll have a look when I get back next week.
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On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:05:49 +1000, "W.A. (Bill) Webb"
<billwebb at tpgi.com.au> wrote:

>Hello to all on the list,
>
>For those interested in climate outlooks, the Qld Center for Climate
>Applications publishes a weekly climate outlook.
>
>This can be found at
>www.qcca.qld.gov.au
>
Bill, I couldn't find any weekly climate outlook at this address or
the links there. Is this the right address?

Laurier

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On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:18:59 +1000, Jimmy Deguara
<jdeguara at ihug.com.au> wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>I would refer people (again) to the document written about ball lightning 
>by an Australian scientist studying in this field.
>
>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/index.html    go to the second 
>and third links for theories on lightning.
>
Jimmy, which are the second and third links? There are several
hundred, and I can't find the ones you're referring to.

Laurier

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----- Original Message -----
From: David Findlay <nedz at bigpond.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Melbourne Tornado on Nightline!!


> >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the
ninemsn.com.au
> >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. IT'S
a
> >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
>
> Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
> people they will say it was a mini tornado!
>

Naah! That'd be a MAXI tornado


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Laurier,

The direct links are here:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0006-02.htm
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2000/docs/0006-03.htm

They are linked to from the Storm News index next to this heading:
'Latest Severe Weather and Storm Chase Reports'

regards, Michael


At 04:07 09/08/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:18:59 +1000, Jimmy Deguara
><jdeguara at ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>I would refer people (again) to the document written about ball lightning 
>>by an Australian scientist studying in this field.
>>
>>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/index.html    go to the second 
>>and third links for theories on lightning.
>>
>Jimmy, which are the second and third links? There are several
>hundred, and I can't find the ones you're referring to.
>
>Laurier


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>From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Tornado on Nightline!!
>Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 12:50:02 +1000
>
>Leslie,
>
>You're not an ASWA member!!!!!!!!  So you can't do things on behalf of
>ASWA!

Y bloody well not???? I'll join yaz up, just send me the forms.
Then I'll do it, hehehehe

>And just for some clarrification, all public announcements/activites in
>regards to ASWA must be cleared by your state representative before they
>can proceed.  If neccessary, your state representative will explore the
>neccessary avenues to gain approval/disproval of the public
>announcement/activity.
>
>Thought I'd better mention it...
>
>If people have ideas of what they'd like to do in regards to ASWA - they
>should inform their state representative also, and then they will look
>at the idea (and probably bring it up at the next state meeting).
>
>Just remember, this is not an ASWA mailing list, an Aussie-weather one
>:-)
>
>Anthony Cornelius
>
>Leslie Baxter wrote:
> >
> > I nominate myself for the job. Anyone wanna second it???
> > I'll tell them what we think.
> >
> > >From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Tornado on Nightline!!
> > >Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:46:59 +1000
> > >
> > >What have we got to do to get an ASWA rep. on the panel, or some other
> > >such panel of people who make themselves look as if they know nothing
> > >about anything?
> > >
> > >...Andrew.
> > >
> > >David Findlay wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the
> > >ninemsn.com.au
> > > > >web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over.
> > >IT'S a
> > > > >DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
> > > >
> > > > Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen 
>million
> > > > people they will say it was a mini tornado!
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The Bureau has showers and drizzle for us tonight/tomorrow now but still
cold. Don't know if this is just the person on duty using different
terms as it was "snow on higher ground" this morning.

Has this system backed off at all? Or will the wording be different
again, that is back to "Snow on higher ground" at the 4:30pm forecast, I
wonder.

Any thoughts, Laurier or others.

Thanks,

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----- Original Message -----
From: Laurier Williams <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Climate Outlooks


> >www.qcca.qld.gov.au
> >

> Bill, I couldn't find any weekly climate outlook at this address or
> the links there. Is this the right address?
>
> Laurier

Hey Laurier and list

That it is not the right address is too true!

The information I was given was "in error". I didn't bother to check because
I get it e-mailed anyway. Maybe they intend to put a link there sometime.

Anyway, here is the latest
<<<
The following message has been sent by
Allyson williams (Queensland Centre for Climate Applications (QDPI))
--------------------------------------------
Subject: Weekly Climate Note

Dr Allyson Williams, Queensland Centre for
Climate Applications, Toowoomba

Date: 7th August 2000
Next Update: 21st August 2000

PLEASE NOTE: a verion of this with more pleasant formating and more detail
is available. Contact me if you`d like it emailed to you.


Key point:   The 30-50 day oscillation is next due in the first week in
September. The 40-day wave, as it is commonly called, passed over Queensland
between the 4th and 8th August. Generally, reasonable falls (1 to 3 inches)
were recorded from Enerald/Duaringa south through Roma, petering out towards
the border.
The "shadow wave" which often brings rain events 2 weeks after the passing
of the "main wave" is therefore due around 18th - 21st August.

· The SOI phase for the June-July period is a Consistently Near Zero Phase.
The monthly SOI for July was -4.0 and -6.5 for June.

The 30-day average value of the SOI up to Monday 7th August is -3.9.

Atmospheric circulation patterns:
· As daily weather systems pass Darwin & Tahiti the pressure anomalies at
each also vary. The current slightly negative 30-day average value of the
SOI is because the atmospheric pressure at Darwin is slightly higher than
the long-term average.
· Surface-level easterly winds across the Equatorial Pacific Ocean are still
slightly stronger than the long-term average. This is a remnant of the
1998-2000 La Niņa event.
· The northwest cloudbands that sometimes bring rainfall to southern
Queensland have been relatively absent this year.

Ocean temperature patterns:
· In the key areas of the equatorial Pacific Ocean SSTs are close to the
long-term average. There are however still a few features of the La Niņa
persisting.
· The development of patterns of ocean temperature over the next 6 months
will be very important in determining summer rainfall probabilities.

· The rainfall outlook for the August-September-October period is calculated
using the June-July SOI phase.

Generally speaking, the chances of above-`normal` rainfall for much of
Queensland and the eastern states for the August-September-October period
are mostly between 40 and 50%. This means there are equal chances of it
being an unusually "wet" or a "dry" 3 months.

There are however exceptions. In northern and central Queensland districts,
probabilities of above-median rainfall are slightly lower at between 20% and
40% for this three month period.

Also, in the extreme south-east of Queensland and northern NSW chances of
exceeding median rainfall for the August-September-October period are
between 50% and 70%.

Since last months outlook, the probabilities of exceeding median rainfall
have decreased slightly across most of the state.

· Other climate indicators are also suggesting that CQ has high chances of
being dry. The position of the high pressure cells have been unusually high
this winter which has contributed to the dry conditions. This will also
affect other areas of eastern Queensland.


Important
· There is a high degree of variability between many locations, so try to
get the forecast for your particular location.  More detailed rainfall
probabilities are at the end of this message (also see the Long Paddock
internet site and Australian Rainman).

· The rainfall outlook is of probabilities of above median rainfall for the
total 3 month period, not a single month of during those 3 months.


· Looking at the climate in the years where climate indicators were similar
to present may help readers understand the climate picture. These analogue
years include 1971, 1963, 1962, 1957, 1929, 1925.

Future developments
· Most computer simulation models that develop forecasts of the La Niņa / El
Niņo are suggesting that the neutral pattern that we are entering into will
last for another 6 months.

However, many of the neutral forecasts are leaning towards warmer rather
than cooler SSTs (eg the ECMWF model). Therefore the possibility of an El
Niņo developing is not ruled out.

These SST predictions change as the information fed into them is updated,
hence we recommend keeping a close track of these forecasts.

A summary of these model outputs can be found at:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/ENSO-summary.shtml

Another good website providing an update of conditions in the equatorial
Pacific Ocean is:
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/toga-tao/el-nino/forecasts.html#enso

The Department of Primary Industries regularly holds "Managing for Climate"
workshops. Anyone can attend a workshop. They are designed to give you a
thorough understanding of weather and climate. They should enable you to
become proficient in reading weather maps and satellite pictures, and in
understanding how climate forecasts are produced and how to interpret
forecast maps of rainfall and sea surface temperatures, to name but a few
highlights. Workshops will next be held in Oakey on August 23th and Dalby
August 24th (note the change in date). Workshops are also being planned for
Blackall and Winton on August 30/31st. Contact Damien O`Sullivan for more
details on (07) 4160 0717.

KEY WORLD FORECASTS

· Using the June-July SOI phase, the following world regions show a reduced
chance of getting their normal (median) rainfall for the
August-September-October period:
Much of Brazil, eastern Europe, northern India, central China, Indonesia,
North Korea. New Zealand Sth Island.

· The following world regions currently show a reasonably high probability
of above median rain for the August to October period this year:
Chile, Mexico, Mozambique, northern Russia, Thailand.


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Hello Leslie,

Nice pix. Maybe you should join the NZ Thunderstorm Society if you don't
feel as though you are getting a good deal from the ASWA of which you
"aren't a a member"

YES. I hate the term MINI in front of a tornado description. We have the
odd "mimi" tornado here in NZ, mostly on the West Coast and around
Northland/Auckland/Waikato areas.
By the way  - Wasts a Strom???

John Gaul
NZ Thunderstorm Scoiety


At 23:03 8/08/00 GMT, you wrote:
>Son of a Bitch, Melbourne get's stroms and a tornado, urgh and we got zitch! 
>Oh well I did say there would be storms on my b-day, hehehehehe.
>
>How was it Melbournites?? I watched those storms develop all day! Two huge 
>Cb Clavious' colided and formed probably the Supercell that produced that 
>twister, It was amazing, pitty I didn't have my camera with me, I do today 
>though, could be a carbon copy, wind is light from the north and there is 
>heavy dew which was evedent yesterday.
>
>Well I have a pic for some of you, of a winter Cb
>http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/storm1.jpg
>and this is the Ballarat Storm watcher; me.
>http://www.geocities.com/mister_t1000/thestormwatcher.jpg
>
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At 11:48 9/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>
>Never mind pileus
>What about castellanus ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
>
>John & other grammaticians, 
>
>kast ell arn us is my vote
>
>Jane

I have changed the word to castellatus
It sounds much nicer
Cast - eee - lartus


Hi Jane and welcome from Christchurch NZ

How lucky (or unlucky depending on how one interptrets inclement weather)
to get those thunderstorms/ tornado last night. The "Mini" tornado was
shown on TVNZ news here this evening the media here also describing it as
"MINI".  Not as spectacular as 'elephant trunk' waterspout in Tokyo Harbour
yesterday, saying it was rare for Japan to experience those things.

You have probably heard me moan about the lack of interesting weather I get
here in ChCh when you all are out storm-chasing. Lets hope this front
delivers here in NZ but not around the Auckland area, they seem to get most
storms. Maybe the Southern Alps could benefit!

Here in Canterbury it has nearly been a year since thunder has been heard. 

The winter has been so mild over here. Hardly any frosts in July but we
have had a few so far this month. Spring is truely well here. Lambs and
daffodils - Yea !!!



John Gaul
NZ Thunderstorm Society


> Jane ONeill
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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>
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At 09:50 9/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>>I'm affraid the M word is still alive and well. on both the ninemsn.com.au
>>web page and abc.net.au page, the used the m word, many times over. IT'S a
>>DAMN TORNADO, how the HELL can you GET mini! *LOL*
>
>Maybe the day we get an F5 in downtown Brisbane, killing umteen million
>people they will say it was a mini tornado!


NO. they would say it was  "a castastrophe" !!!!

John Gaul
NZ THunderstorm Soc

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Hi all
I have had a look at some footage and a rather spectacular photo of the
Sunbury tornado, the system appears to be a severe multicell with very
vigourous pulses , there is evedence of cold advection at 500 to 300hpa and
progressive surface warming through the day. the photograph appeared in the
2nd edition of the Sun Herald and distincktly shows a good sized rotating
wall cloud  with a nice  funnel embedded, the video sequence shows the
funnel almost on the ground and Andrew Mcdonald has advised that debri was
being lifted at the surface.The BOM has rated the event at f0 or f1 and
indicated the track was about 9klm long and on the ground for about 10min ,
however Macka has been investigating the track for most of the day dispite
being sick! and has notched up more than 20ks of damage extending from west
of Sunbury to Bulla,looking forward to his video and report.regards to all
Clyve H.       --- Original Message -----
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> Hello all.
> The tornado footage looked strangely similar to an American tornado i saw
> earlier in July! I will check into it.
> regards Clyve H
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 12:43 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne Tornadoes
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I saw the footage of the tornadoes in Melbourne - very impressive!!!
> > The funnel was not reaching the ground (although you could see the
> > rotation at the bottom), and the power flashes were amongst the best
> > that I've ever seen!!!  That person videoing was perhaps a little too
> > close for comfort!
> >
> > Sky News also showed more footage of (another?) tornado taken from
> > inside a car - it looks quite different to the other tornado (the funnel
> > was reaching the ground here).
> >
> > Perhaps some of the Vic ASWA members can ring up the TV stations and
> > track down the person who took the footage?  (Jane?  Macca?)  I'm sure
> > there's plenty more footage then what they showed on the news!!!
> >
> > I did some radar loops off my radar archives:
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Broad.gif
> > http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/August%209/Melbourne%20Local.gif
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Cornelius
> > Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> > (ASWA)
> > (07) 3390 4812
> > 14 Kinsella St
> > Belmont, Brisbane
> > QLD, 4153
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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've been having trouble getting through.&nbsp;Anyway my pics are now in 
the members gallery at the Brisbane Storm Chasers site.&nbsp; 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have also just contacted the Guyra Hospital, and talked to Ray, he's the 
person who records the temps etc for Guyra.&nbsp;&nbsp; He said it was the best 
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After all these posts today im still not clear if any of the vic ppl chased
and saw this event, if someone could fill me that would be great, ta


			Ira Fehlberg

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Hi Ira
Most of the Vic chasers like myself were at work or had family commitments,
however i noticed on radar at 1600 a severe cell near Daylesford about 80ks
north west of Mel this appears to have been the start of the whole process
it  had what appears to be a notch inflow on the north west flank which may
have been a bounded weak echo region, Andrew Mcdonald has spent all day
investigating the track. regards Clyve Herbert
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> After all these posts today im still not clear if any of the vic ppl
chased
> and saw this event, if someone could fill me that would be great, ta
>
>
> Ira Fehlberg
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I had a fantastic time on Mt Dandenong (the opposite side of the city to
Sunbury) with Jane O'Neil watching the lightning, totally oblivious to the
tornado.

Chris

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> BLOODY HELL!!
>
> Just saw sensational footage of a tornado in Melb. on Nightline. What's
> happening down there and who chased it???
>
> Talk to me!!
>
> Andrew.
>
> --
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The word mini almost pales compared to the local Wollongong WIN TV. During a
recent waterspout footage they described it as a small cyclone ( I suppose
technically ? ) over water associated with summer thunderstorms.

Funny thing is most true waterspouts occur from congestus that can be
electrical or in most cases not, also I would say winter - spring would be
the prime waterspout seasons, not summer.

Michael


> Could the ASWA please send a definition sheet to all newsreaders and
> producers in Australia? They would need to explain gust, tornado, cyclone,
> wind, hurricane, mini, storm, cloud, etc. I just saw a channel 10 news
> report that used all of those terms interchangably to descibe an F2
tornado
> in Melbourne. Do they actually consult the dictionary?
>
> At least the BOM guy used the correct terminology.
>
> David Findlay
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I think that the SE Queensland area north from Brisbane to say Bundaberg is
one of Australia's tornado hotspots. Anybody have any idea on how many -
Anthony, James ??

Michael



> My ears tweak to the sounds of 'Wide Bay'....we can all drop in at my
> parents place in Maryborough and setup a new base and chase from there,
> hehehe...wonder what they would say if I mentioned it to them,
hmm....prolly
> freak out :)
>
>
> Mal.
>
> > ----------
> > From: Michael Thompson[SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2000 10:22
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000
> >
> > Not sure on my chasing situation this year and probably won't know until
a
> > week or so out. I too share Clyve's thoughts about chasing SE
Queensland.
> > Gympie and the that area draw me, although terrain isn't chase friendly.
> > Ideal situation would be to get a three day event starting in the
Hunter,
> > than onto the tablelands or Darling Downs, then over to the Wide Bay
area.
> >
> > Such events have happened ! Perhaps a 4 day event for Clyve starting on
> > the
> > border of NSW/VIC
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > Hi Jimmy and all.
> > > I think the window period is as you said last week of Nov and first
week
> > of
> > > Dec .Im not sure how many are coming from Vic I am trying to arrange
> > about
> > a
> > > week at this time and i am looking forward to hitting the road
although
> > i
> > > will be giving Thargominda a miss! Hopefully north east N.S.W and
> > southeast
> > > Q.L.D.will be firering up. regards Clyve.
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From: "Chris G" <zosowx at ihug.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Certainly a fantastic evening and night last night. 
I managed a small but quite successful chase in the early evening.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The day was quite mild and had a feel to it as 
early as 10-11am. During the early afternoon a few nice looking TCu towers shot 
up over the bay so the atmosphere was conditionally unstable. Unfortunately I 
was at work so a chase then was impossible, but as my work involves driving I 
could keep half (or maybe both &lt;g&gt;) my eye on the sky to see what was 
developing. Towards the NW as I drove over the Burnley street ramp I could see 
very "scatty" Cb and TCu tops but they had a great look to them none the 
less.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My driving stint finished at around 3pm or so and I 
had to work inside for the next 45 mins, when I went back outside to load a 
truck I was awestruck to see a dark Cb anvil stretching across a fair bit of the 
western horizon. I wanted to leave immediately but couldn't, lucky for me I only 
live 2mins from my work. At 5pm I literally ran out the door and raced home to 
have a quick look at radar and an even quicker chat on IRC to see where the best 
way to go was. Although suggestions were made to go towards Seymour, I thought 
the cells were moving too quickly for me to get up there in time and so decided 
to head out the Western Hwy towards Ballarat.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I left home about 5.15pm and after using some 
colourful language driving through the city (don't ppl know that others may want 
to get a close up look of a storm?!?!?! &lt;g&gt;), and helped by my knowledge 
of Melb roads&nbsp;to which I am thankful to the job I do &lt;g&gt;, I made 
reasonably good time out through Nth Melb, past Flemington and towards Sunshine. 
The lighning by this stage was every 3-4 secs to my priority was to get to a 
vantage point. I could see flashes over the top of buildings and tried to think 
of the best way to get to Highpoint shopping centre in the mid NW suburbs. I got 
to Epsom rd and then the rain started pelting down, huge drops combined with 
awesome pulsing lightning in the distance. A left turn into Maribynong Rd saw a 
further increase in the rain and then the great, but also scary sound, of clunk 
clunk on top of the car!!!!!! The hail had me excited and it was 1-2cms in size. 
I must have got the edge of the precipitation core because it didn't last very 
long. The driving conditions had become very hazardous by now so&nbsp;somewhat 
luckily was close to Highpoint and cover by now and as the rain had managed to 
get yet harder I positioned myself undercover with a view towards the N (Melb 
AP) and NE (Broadmeadows direction). The lightning was truly amazing for August, 
and the video camera was surprisingly steady considering the adrenalin that was 
present. The sound&nbsp;we all adore, great deep booming longlasting thunder was 
abound and I was in heaven. The rain was more like something you would see in 
the tropics during the wet and though there was quite a bit of breeze I saw 
nothing severe wind wise. The storms were moving quite quickly and so after 
10-15 mins I decided to follow the cell into the city. Problem was that there 
had been considerable flooding on the roads which obviously slowed down the 
traffic. I saw some huge strikes on the way home but by the time I got back to 
Richmond the lightning was well off into the distance and starting to get 
obscured. Through the evening very heavy showers and some thunderstorms affected 
most suburbs and I saw a few more strikes over about St Kilda at 9pm or so I 
think. A great day and not too bad a chase either, hope it is a precursor to the 
rest of the season.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope everyone else in Melb and close to Melb 
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Evening all,

I'll put a summary of all information received on the Sunbury tornado to
date on the MSC August page at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/august2000.htm later tonight.  If you
have any links that you would like included, or facts or observations
please email them to me at
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Many thanks,

Jane
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Check out the MSC Cafe at
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Hi Michael
Today I heard Tony Bannister of severe weather section telling our local ABC
announcer on 3LO about the problem of the press using the "Mini" word ,it
appears the BOM are going out of their way here in Mel to educate this word
out of descriptive reporting by the press, and not too soon either.
Personally the only mini cyclones i watch are the spin upps in the bath when
dispensing with the old bath water and that's where this silly and often
used analogy should go "down the drain". in respect to this years chase the
area around Bundaberg sounds ok when are you thinking of going .?
                                               regards Clyve
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> The word mini almost pales compared to the local Wollongong WIN TV. During
a
> recent waterspout footage they described it as a small cyclone ( I suppose
> technically ? ) over water associated with summer thunderstorms.
>
> Funny thing is most true waterspouts occur from congestus that can be
> electrical or in most cases not, also I would say winter - spring would be
> the prime waterspout seasons, not summer.
>
> Michael
>
>
> > Could the ASWA please send a definition sheet to all newsreaders and
> > producers in Australia? They would need to explain gust, tornado,
cyclone,
> > wind, hurricane, mini, storm, cloud, etc. I just saw a channel 10 news
> > report that used all of those terms interchangably to descibe an F2
> tornado
> > in Melbourne. Do they actually consult the dictionary?
> >
> > At least the BOM guy used the correct terminology.
> >
> > David Findlay
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Great report cant wait to see the video its 
apparant you were the only chaser able to tag this sytem accross Melbourne let 
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:zosowx at ihug.com.au" title=zosowx at ihug.com.au>Chris G</A> 
</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-wx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 09, 2000 6:48 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: My Melb chase</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi everyone, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Certainly a fantastic evening and night last 
  night. I managed a small but quite successful chase in the early 
  evening.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The day was quite mild and had a feel to it as 
  early as 10-11am. During the early afternoon a few nice looking TCu towers 
  shot up over the bay so the atmosphere was conditionally unstable. 
  Unfortunately I was at work so a chase then was impossible, but as my work 
  involves driving I could keep half (or maybe both &lt;g&gt;) my eye on the sky 
  to see what was developing. Towards the NW as I drove over the Burnley street 
  ramp I could see very "scatty" Cb and TCu tops but they had a great look to 
  them none the less.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My driving stint finished at around 3pm or so and 
  I had to work inside for the next 45 mins, when I went back outside to load a 
  truck I was awestruck to see a dark Cb anvil stretching across a fair bit of 
  the western horizon. I wanted to leave immediately but couldn't, lucky for me 
  I only live 2mins from my work. At 5pm I literally ran out the door and raced 
  home to have a quick look at radar and an even quicker chat on IRC to see 
  where the best way to go was. Although suggestions were made to go towards 
  Seymour, I thought the cells were moving too quickly for me to get up there in 
  time and so decided to head out the Western Hwy towards Ballarat.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I left home about 5.15pm and after using some 
  colourful language driving through the city (don't ppl know that others may 
  want to get a close up look of a storm?!?!?! &lt;g&gt;), and helped by my 
  knowledge of Melb roads&nbsp;to which I am thankful to the job I do &lt;g&gt;, 
  I made reasonably good time out through Nth Melb, past Flemington and towards 
  Sunshine. The lighning by this stage was every 3-4 secs to my priority was to 
  get to a vantage point. I could see flashes over the top of buildings and 
  tried to think of the best way to get to Highpoint shopping centre in the mid 
  NW suburbs. I got to Epsom rd and then the rain started pelting down, huge 
  drops combined with awesome pulsing lightning in the distance. A left turn 
  into Maribynong Rd saw a further increase in the rain and then the great, but 
  also scary sound, of clunk clunk on top of the car!!!!!! The hail had me 
  excited and it was 1-2cms in size. I must have got the edge of the 
  precipitation core because it didn't last very long. The driving conditions 
  had become very hazardous by now so&nbsp;somewhat luckily was close to 
  Highpoint and cover by now and as the rain had managed to get yet harder I 
  positioned myself undercover with a view towards the N (Melb AP) and NE 
  (Broadmeadows direction). The lightning was truly amazing for August, and the 
  video camera was surprisingly steady considering the adrenalin that was 
  present. The sound&nbsp;we all adore, great deep booming longlasting thunder 
  was abound and I was in heaven. The rain was more like something you would see 
  in the tropics during the wet and though there was quite a bit of breeze I saw 
  nothing severe wind wise. The storms were moving quite quickly and so after 
  10-15 mins I decided to follow the cell into the city. Problem was that there 
  had been considerable flooding on the roads which obviously slowed down the 
  traffic. I saw some huge strikes on the way home but by the time I got back to 
  Richmond the lightning was well off into the distance and starting to get 
  obscured. Through the evening very heavy showers and some thunderstorms 
  affected most suburbs and I saw a few more strikes over about St Kilda at 9pm 
  or so I think. A great day and not too bad a chase either, hope it is a 
  precursor to the rest of the season.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope everyone else in Melb and close to Melb 
  enjoyed it</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris Gribben (goes back into lurk mode till next 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hello Michael and all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I thought I would just shed some light 
concerning the topic of the End of Year Chase and the frequency of tornadoes in 
various parts of Australia. Perhaps the greatest hotspot for tornado occurrences 
is the Sydney Metropolitan Area itself. According to Bart Geerts (University of 
Alabama and Huntsville) and Mosese Noke-Raico (Macquarie University), the Sydney 
CBD and outer suburbs has the highest tornado density in Australia. Within a 
half circle with a radius of 50km around Sydney, a total of 6 tornadoes per year 
per 23,000 square kilometres occurred for the period 1960-1992. This is 
approximately the same as the tornado density in the central Great Plains states 
of the USA and half the density in the tornado alley in Central Oklahoma 
(Davies-Jones, 1985). Hereafter, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide bare 
frequencies not lagging far behind that of Sydney. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When you compare the frequency of tornado 
occurrences with that of the population density, the prominant reason why 
tornadoes are considered rare can be seen, (after Minor et al.) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <STRONG>The Queensland Highlands</STRONG> 
has a tornado occurrence of 1.2 per 100,000 square kilometres. The population 
density for the same area is 0.3 per square kilometre. When the tornado 
occurrences are joined with the population density, the number of occurrences 
per 100,000 people is 4.0. This is quite an extraordinary figure considering the 
population. If you compare this with Oklahoma in the US, which has a tornado 
occurrence of 22.0 per 100,000 square kilometres and a population density of 
11.2 per square kilometre, the occurrence of tornadoes once joined with the 
density of population comes out to 2.0. This is a remarkable figure considering, 
just proving the point that in some cases, Australia is the home of tornado 
occurrences equal to, if not greater than that of the US is some areas. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Other 
areas of significance are the <STRONG>Western Australia Agricultural Belt and 
Goldfields</STRONG> which has an tornado occurrence of 0.65, a population of 
0.27 per square kilometre and the number of occurrence per 100,000 people is 
2.4; still, quite a large number considering the population.The 
<STRONG>Victorian Western Highlands </STRONG>have a tornado occurrence of 5.6 
and a population density of 5.6, leaving a rather small number of tornado 
occurrences per 100,000 people: 1.0. Finally the <STRONG>New South Wales Slopes 
</STRONG>have a tornado occurrence of 1.1, population density of 1.3 and an 
occurrence per 100,000 persons of just 0.9. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000 size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; However, 
using the figures of past tornado occurrences, the population of this 
ever-growing country proves a major dilemma and investigators problem when 
attempting to determine the climatology of Australian tornadoes. The large 
growth in population over the past decade (not taking into consideration 
environmental factors), the increase in population is single handedly 
responsible for the increase in tornado reports and hence, the frequency. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Dean AL Sgarbossa</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Michael 
Thompson &lt;<A 
href="mailto:michaelt at ozemail.com.au">michaelt at ozemail.com.au</A>&gt;<BR>To: <A 
href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
&lt;<A 
href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>Date: 
Wednesday, 9 August 2000 19:03<BR>Subject: Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 
2000<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>&gt;I think that the SE Queensland area north from 
Brisbane to say Bundaberg is<BR>&gt;one of Australia's tornado hotspots. Anybody 
have any idea on how many -<BR>&gt;Anthony, James 
??<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Michael<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; My ears tweak to 
the sounds of 'Wide Bay'....we can all drop in at my<BR>&gt;&gt; parents place 
in Maryborough and setup a new base and chase from there,<BR>&gt;&gt; 
hehehe...wonder what they would say if I mentioned it to 
them,<BR>&gt;hmm....prolly<BR>&gt;&gt; freak out 
:)<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Mal.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; 
----------<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; From: Michael Thompson[<A 
href="mailto:SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au">SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au</A>]<BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2000 10:22<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; To: <A 
href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A><BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt; Subject: Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt; Not sure on my chasing situation this year and probably won't know 
until<BR>&gt;a<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; week or so out. I too share Clyve's thoughts 
about chasing SE<BR>&gt;Queensland.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Gympie and the that area 
draw me, although terrain isn't chase friendly.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Ideal situation 
would be to get a three day event starting in the<BR>&gt;Hunter,<BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt; than onto the tablelands or Darling Downs, then over to the Wide 
Bay<BR>&gt;area.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Such events have happened ! 
Perhaps a 4 day event for Clyve starting on<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt; border of NSW/VIC<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; Michael<BR>&gt;&gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Jimmy and all.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; 
&gt; I think the window period is as you said last week of Nov and 
first<BR>&gt;week<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; of<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Dec .Im not sure how 
many are coming from Vic I am trying to arrange<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; 
about<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; a<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; week at this time and i am 
looking forward to hitting the road<BR>&gt;although<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; 
i<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; will be giving Thargominda a miss! Hopefully north east 
N.S.W and<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; southeast<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Q.L.D.will be 
firering up. regards Clyve.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; ----- Original Message 
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Hi,

I was just sent this link, some of you may be interested.

http://lightning.pwr.eng.osaka-u.ac.jp/lrg/temp/plane.html

regards
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Mandurah, just to the south of Perth, would probably be the tornado hotspot
town in Australia, Barry Hanstrum from the WA Severe Weather Section has also
stated this before.

Mandurah has had many tornadoes over the years, why it does they are not sure,
but it maybe something to do with how the coast is in that area as strong cold
fronts hit the coast.

Jacob

At 08:17 9/08/00 +1000, you wrote: 
>
> Hello Michael and all,
>     I thought I would just shed some light concerning the topic of the End of
> Year Chase and the frequency of tornadoes in various parts of Australia.
> Perhaps the greatest hotspot for tornado occurrences is the Sydney
> Metropolitan Area itself. According to Bart Geerts (University of Alabama and
> Huntsville) and Mosese Noke-Raico (Macquarie University), the Sydney CBD and
> outer suburbs has the highest tornado density in Australia. Within a half
> circle with a radius of 50km around Sydney, a total of 6 tornadoes per year
> per 23,000 square kilometres occurred for the period 1960-1992. This is
> approximately the same as the tornado density in the central Great Plains
> states of the USA and half the density in the tornado alley in Central
> Oklahoma (Davies-Jones, 1985). Hereafter, Brisbane, Melbourne, Perth and
> Adelaide bare frequencies not lagging far behind that of Sydney. 
>     When you compare the frequency of tornado occurrences with that of the
> population density, the prominant reason why tornadoes are considered rare
> can be seen, (after Minor et al.) 
>     The Queensland Highlands has a tornado occurrence of 1.2 per 100,000
> square kilometres. The population density for the same area is 0.3 per square
> kilometre. When the tornado occurrences are joined with the population
> density, the number of occurrences per 100,000 people is 4.0. This is quite
> an extraordinary figure considering the population. If you compare this with
> Oklahoma in the US, which has a tornado occurrence of 22.0 per 100,000 square
> kilometres and a population density of 11.2 per square kilometre, the
> occurrence of tornadoes once joined with the density of population comes out
> to 2.0. This is a remarkable figure considering, just proving the point that
> in some cases, Australia is the home of tornado occurrences equal to, if not
> greater than that of the US is some areas. 
>     Other areas of significance are the Western Australia Agricultural Belt
> and Goldfields which has an tornado occurrence of 0.65, a population of 0.27
> per square kilometre and the number of occurrence per 100,000 people is 2.4;
> still, quite a large number considering the population.The Victorian Western
> Highlands have a tornado occurrence of 5.6 and a population density of 5.6,
> leaving a rather small number of tornado occurrences per 100,000 people: 1.0.
> Finally the New South Wales Slopes have a tornado occurrence of 1.1,
> population density of 1.3 and an occurrence per 100,000 persons of just 0.9. 
>     However, using the figures of past tornado occurrences, the population of
> this ever-growing country proves a major dilemma and investigators problem
> when attempting to determine the climatology of Australian tornadoes. The
> large growth in population over the past decade (not taking into
> consideration environmental factors), the increase in population is single
> handedly responsible for the increase in tornado reports and hence, the
> frequency. 
>  
> Cheers,
> Dean AL Sgarbossa
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Thompson
> <<mailto:michaelt at ozemail.com.au>michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
> <<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 9 August 2000 19:03
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: End of Year Chase 2000
>
> >I think that the SE Queensland area north from Brisbane to say Bundaberg is
> >one of Australia's tornado hotspots. Anybody have any idea on how many -
> >Anthony, James ??
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >


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Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER DATA: All bom registered user data available free; was STORMS: Vic storms satpics!
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT), Frank Burns
<frank_burns25 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>The Bureau  has  announced it is opening up access to
>all its data for free before the Olympics.  It was
>supossed have happened on by 1 August, but they had
>some stuff up.
>
>
>The guy at the Bureau said just use
>
>student             p32remud
>
I've just done a quick check on satpix, radar, models and data, and
it's true -- this id/pw work with them all. 

Laurier

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Apart from a distinct lack of moisture, I don't think it will get cold
enough, Lindsay. A few flurries on the high ground south of Oberon,
perhaps. The latest mesoscale laps keeps thickness around 540 over
central NSW, while the forecast 500hPa temps from several models don't
get much colder than -26, consequently not much uplift, either. 

4.8C with a 40km/h wind gusting to 70 at Mt Boyce as it has for the
whole day.

Laurier


On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:28:05 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
wrote:

>The Bureau has showers and drizzle for us tonight/tomorrow now but still
>cold. Don't know if this is just the person on duty using different
>terms as it was "snow on higher ground" this morning.
>
>Has this system backed off at all? Or will the wording be different
>again, that is back to "Snow on higher ground" at the 4:30pm forecast, I
>wonder.
>
>Any thoughts, Laurier or others.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>
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Michael,

I have heard again of reports of tennis ball sized hail from a storm on 
that day with damage to cars. I don't think this was just a dumping of a 
lot of little stuff. I think there must have been a band of larger stuff. 
Did anyone watch the media reports on it... The storm occurred on the 
afternoon of the 1st August...

Some of the updraughts were very powerful. But who knows

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:34 AM 9/08/00 +1000, you wrote:
>I work with 150 people from just about every Wollongong suburb and the best
>hailstone reported was a little over 1cm, but lots and lots of them. The BOM
>warning had hail large enough to damage cars at Corrimal, but I have a box
>of hailstones somebody brought in from Corrimal as a present and they are
>all 1cm or less.
>
>After several coups in the forecast department at work, with the cold fronts
>early this winter, this storm had dinged my reputation as I did predict it
>an hour or so out, but said it was very weak. Of course the ' very weak '
>was the sole comment that everybody remembers me for.
>
>Michael
>
>
> > line photo, also the Wollongong (possible) supercell. I wonder if there
> > were more reports from this event as people heard of media reports of
> > tennis ball sized hail.... I wish someone could confirm or disprove it..
> >
>
>
>
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