From: "bussie" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: MSC address change Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:00:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com They all seem to work ok. Bussy ----- Original Message ----- From: MSC - Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 11:05 PM Subject: aus-wx: MSC address change > Evening all, > > MSC - Melbourne Storm Chasers has had an address change. Listed below > are the most commonly accessed pages. > If you would like to rebookmark those pages, just click on them, go to > the page & add it to your Favourites list saving over the link you > already have. > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > MSC's Cafe (loads of forecasting & links sites) > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/forecasting.htm > July Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report Page > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/july2000.htm > Why is it So????? > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/why.htm > > Please let me know if you find an image which won't load, or a link that > goes nowhere, or to the wrong place....I can recommend different ways of > spending a Sunday afternoon than duplicating a website *this* big!!!!! > > > My email address has also changed but the old one will continue to work. > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow. Cherry Tre e Hill?? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:53:07 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Clyve, Jimmy, Similar experience between the hours of 4:45 - 5:45pm at Robertson, (around 700m) with very large, dry flakes to around 10cm in size falling. This allowed for a very dry, compactable build-up of 3-4cm of snow on the ground in this time. Zero on ground beforehand. Andrew > ---------- > From: Jimmy Deguara[SMTP:jdeguara at ihug.com.au] > Reply To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Sent: Sunday, 30 July 2000 1:22 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow. Cherry Tree Hill?? > > Hi Clyve, > > The snow flakes were rather small but the ones under the cumulonimbus at > Cherry Tree Hill were larger in fact at least 10cm size with some larger > flakes mixed in. That was at an altitude of 1100m and also fell during the > heaviest of the snow - visibility < 500m. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 01:18 AM 30/07/00 +1000, you wrote: > >Hi Laurier. > >I am rather interested in the "species" of snow that moved across N.S.W from > >the south to the north last week and of it being dry and small. Its > >interesting to note that reports of this type of precipitation were rather > >general. The cloud band producing the falls looked interesting also as it > >moved northward across the state. It would be good to check soundings for an > >explanation in regards to the generation of this rather unusual type of > >snow. > > regards Clyve Herbert. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Laurier Williams > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 7:18 PM > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow. > > > > > > > I took a ride from Blackheath to Jenolan Caves --> Edith --> Shooters > > > Hill --> Black Springs --> Oberon --> Blackheath this afternoon to see > > > what remnants of snow were about. I often find it instructive to do > > > this after a reasonable dump, because the remaining snow in sheltered, > > > south-facing areas allows a reasonably comparable estimate of snowfall > > > to be made that is far more detailed than the raingauge network > > > permits. > > > > > > What struck me was the even distribution of remaining snow. From > > > before Hampton and right around the 150km loop I was making, there > > > were virtually the same amounts of remaining snow anywhere above 900m. > > > Normally, higher areas like Shooters Hill and Mt Trickett at >1200m > > > have noticeably more snow lying than areas such as Hampton to Oberon > > > (1000 to 1100m). The only place with significantly more snow was an > > > area about 10km south of Black Springs, where most fields, even those > > > in full sunlight, still had a >50% cover. As yesterday and today have > > > been uniformly sunny with 5 to 10kt winds evening out the temperature > > > distribution, I can only conclude that this area had the heaviest > > > snow, and it coincides with my observation when driving through the > > > area on Wednesday night. > > > > > > For anyone in Sydney desperate to see some snow tomorrow, Sunday, > > > there are still some good drifts just past Hampton on the Oberon Road, > > > just after it turns off the Jenolan Caves road. In fact, the "Ice on > > > Road" signs were still out at 4 this afternoon, and very much needed, > > > as the compressed remnants of several larger drifts still lay across > > > the road. > > > > > > Laurier > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:31 -0700, Lindsay > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Blackheath: Saturday 1205pm > > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > > > >Still a few small drifts of snow around here. The house in the shady, > > > >south facing valley at the back of our property still has a full cover > > > >of snow on the lawn. The bottom of Links Rd has some snow and hazardous > > > >ice and various pockets around this area are similar. No snow around on> > > > >the highway though, to exposed. > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at bhp.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:31:35 -0700 From: Lindsay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Hawaiin Machismo and snow depth, there is a relationship. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com G'day Michael and all, Yes, this is so true. Using the Hawaiin rule of thumb we probably only had "light sleet" the other day! Some of the best surfs I've ever had were from beautiful low induced ground swells down Ulladulla way with 6 to 10 feet faces at Golf Course and Burril Pines, not to mention the sharks down that way. I eventually just started describing waves by their "Face" size, ie: 10 feet faces at low tide" etc to get some sanity going. The lightning shows off the coast down that way could be fantastic too. I remember one show that went on for what seemed like hours one evening as I sat there nestled into the dunes, it was just insane. Bye the way, can any folk tell me (privately if you want) of some good surf breaks on the NSW/Vic coast from say, Bega around to Melbourne? I'm heading that way for a 10 day sabbatical in August sometime, having not done the coast road before. Thanks, Lindsay Pearce Michael Thompson wrote: > > I can relate to this. One of the reef breaks I used to surf 20 years we near > always called it 6-8ft when it was huge. It never sunk until somebody took > some film and we watched it later and realised these 6-8ft waves were > twice - thrice overhead of a standing surfer., > > Of course that all pales to Hawaii macho were even on surf videos the locals > are calling 10ft tubes 3-4ft. > > michael > > > estimates of 3cm or 4cm of snow might have been a bit conservative (a > > result of my surfing days when it was "macho" to underestimate wave > > height!) as there seemed to be a fair bit more than 3cm on the courts, > > although it could have been under the influence of an eddy etc, as all > > three courts are well fenced up to about ten feet in height. Then again, > > we had little wind. > > > > The Bom has another front on the way later next week, although it looks > > to have the high sitting above the bight a bit more, maybe. Not sure if > > it will reach us although Sydney's temp is forecast as 15 for Friday. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [141.132.128.10] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: currnet ballarat weather Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:12:31 GMT X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jul 2000 23:12:31.0188 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2FA0940:01BFFA7B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi people It's fine here, a little early morning high clouds, me thinks there could be a small upper level trough developing. Cumulus clouds yesterday, but nothing looking threating, no wind or lack off. High Ac at the moment Les ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "MSC - Jane ONeill" To: "Aussie Weather" Subject: aus-wx: ASWA in the Australian Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:47:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy wasn't kidding when he said that ASWA would be in The Australian on Monday - there we are on page 15 of the Victorian edition. ........time to rush out & buy a copy for posterity!!!!! Jane ONeill --------------------------------------- Jane ONeill ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com --------------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" To: "'aussie-weather at world.std.com'" Subject: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:31:29 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello, Well, after being up on the Illawarra escarpment during all the excitement last week, I have gone out and brought temperature probes and display for the car. This way I can begin to participate more seriously with other chasers, and not respond to questions on temperature with answers like, "don't know but my hand holding the mobile phone feels like it's gonna fall off!!" About time too, also brought some gear for home so I really splashed out yesterday. Anyway, I know we went through this only about a month ago, but where is the best place on a car to stick one of these babies?? I've got around 3 metres of lead, and my car is a current model Mitsu Magna. Like everybody I want to minimise the effects of engine/exhaust heat and wind chill from the car travelling. Thank you in advance for your help. Cheers Andrew Godsman EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at bhp.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Re: Local effects - sea breezes Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:05:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, Good Post. My Aussie weather book notes 250km as being about the maximum penetration of sea breezes. It mentions collision of sea-breezes from the West coast and South coast of W.A. as being a trigger for late evening thunderstorms in the inland parts of SW W.A. It also describes the morning glory as being a wave disturbance arising from collision of Easterly and Westerley sea breezes over Cape York peninsular. At Mt. Crosby, I am not that far from the ocean, which is about 45km to the NE. However I am at the southern end of the D'Aguilar range which extends Northwards to about Gympie. Elevation just North of my location (elevation 50m), is around 400m rising to 650m further North. We commonly get an interesting phenomenon, being a very strong Northerly breeze that commences around 8:30pm and lasts for about 2 hours. This can occur at any time during the year but is most prevalent in late spring and early summer. This follows a typical warm to hot day with afternoon NE sea breezes. The sea breeze itself dies off around dusk and it becomes calm. The later Northerly breeze starts quite abruptly and is cool and moist and is much stronger than the afternoon seabreeze, strong enough in break twigs off trees. It generally quits quite abruptly also. I have contacted a freind during one of these episodes who lives at Chapel Hill, about half way to coast. He had no wind, so it appears to be very local event. I suspect the breeze is a result of afternoon sea breeze air sitting on top of the ranges and cooling to become dense. In the evening this overcomes the anabatic flow up the range from daytime heating, resulting in a katabatic flow displacing residual warm air in the Brisbane valley. One side effect is to kill off any approaching storm from the South West as the air is evidently not at all bouyant. Regards, John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [141.132.128.10] From: "Leslie Baxter" To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Subject: aus-wx: ballarat; Avo Cu Towers? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:55:36 GMT X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2000 03:55:36.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F034560:01BFFAA3] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Hi people, hmmm nice thermals developing Cumulus Tower Streets developing. Can anyone confirm this????? Les ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.36.248.18] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Subject: aus-wx: Complete Index of Internal BoM site... Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:58:14 EST X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2000 05:58:14.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[50F27EF0:01BFFAB4] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Hi every1, This is probably old news but the following link looks interesting: http://www.bom.gov.au/auto_index.shtml Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof P.S. We had a few little Ac towers here too this afternoon! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Rands" To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:39:31 +1000 X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.10.67766446) Subject: Re: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM hi guys >Well, after being up on the Illawarra escarpment during all the excitement last week, I have gone out and brought temperature probes and display for the car. This There are several cars that do have ambient temperature gauges, my 1986 model Volvo has one, which seems to be quite accurate. Quite handy actually. The gauge is made by VDO and uses a Bosch sensor The sensor is mounted in behind the front part of the left front wheel arch From the mind of Paul Rands (E-mail: paulrands at one.net.au - prands at efter-stormen.com - ICQ: 1254371) Personal Site: http://www2.one.net.au/~paulrands/ Canberra On-line: http://www2.one.net.au/~paulrands/canberra/ Australian Volvo Internet Centre: http://www2.one.net.au/~paulrands/ausvolvo/ Ofwerman on IRC (DAL Net) +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Yole" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ballarat; Avo Cu Towers? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:20:02 +1000 Organization: ASWA Victoria X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Alot of upper level misture moving in from the NW here in Horsham Les, with alot of small cu developing Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie Baxter To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: aus-wx: ballarat; Avo Cu Towers? > > > Hi people, hmmm nice thermals developing > > Cumulus Tower Streets developing. Can anyone confirm this????? > > Les > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.7] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ballarat; Avo Cu Towers? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:52:21 EST X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jul 2000 06:52:21.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[E04D64A0:01BFFABB] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM absolutely poured rain in Wonthaggi(Vic.)between 3:45 -4:10 just got home and looked at radar and intensity was only grey/blue???? .maybe its the relatively low base and distance from radar? some nice'ish cu/cb about and very weak anvil remnants about so i'm off to the beach for a better look and perhaps some photos. >From: "Leslie Baxter" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: ballarat; Avo Cu Towers? >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 03:55:36 GMT > > > >Hi people, hmmm nice thermals developing > >Cumulus Tower Streets developing. Can anyone confirm this????? > >Les >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >message. >-----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:21:37 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Hi Andrew I have found the best place for the probe is on the right hand bumper underneath and protected in some way but with plenty of airflow i used superglue which worked fine. You will still get some engine heat when stationary or moving slowly also some surface road heat may raise the temp a little but on the other side on cold nights you will be measuring the lower ground temp which may be several degrees lower than the air temp good luck. regards Clyve H ----- Original Message ----- From: Godsman, Andrew AG To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars > Hello, > > Well, after being up on the Illawarra escarpment during all the excitement last week, I have gone out and brought temperature probes and display for the car. This way I can begin to participate more seriously with other chasers, and not respond to questions on temperature with answers like, "don't know but my hand holding the mobile phone feels like it's gonna fall off!!" About time too, also brought some gear for home so I really splashed out yesterday. > > Anyway, I know we went through this only about a month ago, but where is the best place on a car to stick one of these babies?? I've got around 3 metres of lead, and my car is a current model Mitsu Magna. Like everybody I want to minimise the effects of engine/exhaust heat and wind chill from the car travelling. Thank you in advance for your help. > > Cheers > Andrew Godsman > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at bhp.com. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:36:17 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM Hi Andrew, Wind chill is not something that affects temperature probes unless thet are wet. We only feel wind chill because moisture can be evaporated from our skin. Really you want good air flow past it to remove any effects of heating associated with the car, so anywhere will do, but I would recommend as high up as possible but obviously shaded from the sun, rather than low down to remove effects of ground temp or road heating during daylight hours. Taping the probe to the underside of a Wing mirror might be the go. John. -----Original Message----- From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Godsman, Andrew AG Sent: Monday, 31 July 2000 11:31 To: 'aussie-weather at world.std.com' Subject: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Hello, Well, after being up on the Illawarra escarpment during all the excitement last week, I have gone out and brought temperature probes and display for the car. This way I can begin to participate more seriously with other chasers, and not respond to questions on temperature with answers like, "don't know but my hand holding the mobile phone feels like it's gonna fall off!!" About time too, also brought some gear for home so I really splashed out yesterday. Anyway, I know we went through this only about a month ago, but where is the best place on a car to stick one of these babies?? I've got around 3 metres of lead, and my car is a current model Mitsu Magna. Like everybody I want to minimise the effects of engine/exhaust heat and wind chill from the car travelling. Thank you in advance for your help. Cheers Andrew Godsman EOM NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at bhp.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:43:21 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: aus-wx: A real barnstormer day in Adelaide. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Clear skies for most of the day today. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:41:27 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Temperature probes in cars Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Andrew, all, I guess it depends on what you're "allowed" to do to your car (ie permanent fixtures etc). You have to find a permanent place to: a) Mount the temperature probe b) Mount the actual display unit I was restricted with what I could do with my car, as technically it's not mine (yet) - still belongs to my parents, so of course I have to obey their rules (and they don't see how mounting a temperature sensor and compass adds to the value of the car :) Given this - and the golden rule "don't mount adhesives onto the vinyl of the dash" - I was restricted. What I ended up doing, was getting a plastic ruler, and using adhesive velcro to mount that to the top of my steering wheel like so: http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/Car/KS180.JPG I superglued the temperature mount to the plastic ruler, which was still removable (after all, a bit of metho and elbow grease will easily remove any marks left on the plastic). I actually had to "double-tier" the ruler at different angles, so I got the display unit to look inline with the dashboard (so I didn't have to lean over or anything, and each time I checked the speedo, I could quickly glance down at the thermometer :) I also took the opportunity to mount a cheap (but good enough) car compass. Also noting that the compass does not measure accurately due to the magnetism of the car, but is 45 degrees off - but I work around that by adjusting the 45 degree direction in my head when I decide what direction I'm heading in. I had the sensor lead go out through the door, and ran it through the line under my bonnet (you can also run the sensor through and underneath the dashboard, but it was a lot easier for me to have about 2cm of thermo sensor wire showing on the outside of the car, then to open up underneath the dash). I used magnetic tape to secure the wire down the side (so it doesn't move) I superglued the tape to the sensor wire - works quite well too! NOTE: Do NOT shut the bonnet until the superglue DRIES! Not that I did that, but I imagine it'd be a slightly messy situation :) I dropped the sensor down behind the headlight and underneath the car (away from the hot parts of the car, excuse technical jargon). Where the sensor daggled underneath the car. It couldn't stay like this of course, or it'd blow back up into the car (possible into the engine). It had to be secured, so I got 4 magnetic boxes ($1.50 each) and took the magnets out of two of them, and joined them to the other magnetic box to give it a fairly good strong grip on metal (they're quite a strong magnet actually for $1.50 worth!) I superglued the box shut, and glued the sensor (with about 1.5-2 inches of wire still dangling) underneath to the modified magnetic box. Hasn't come off yet (been there for a month or so). And when I check it (every week now), it hasn't even budged. See: http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/Car/KS181.JPG It's very basic I know - but it does the job, and I have tested it around the house on the road here with my external thermo in the backyard, and they're nearly always within 0.1C of each other! Which is pretty good I thought. In regards to John's comments on heat off the road, I'm yet to get any effects from the road while moving - if you're doing more then 40km/h, it's generally sufficient to bring in enough air to keep the sensor at the "true" air temperature. But while you're stopped, you're always going to get the heat from the road/engine then, so if you're at lights/stuck in traffic you'll need to drive around for 30-60seconds (pending how wrong the sensor is now), to get it to stablilize to the "true" temperature. As John said, you don't get a windchill factor - it only exists for us mammals :) But if it's wet, you will get a cooling effect on the thermo - that depends on how much moisture is in the air (ie, driving in rain will give a neglible effect as the air is nearly/is at 100% RH). If you're wondering what car I drive, it's an '89 Ford Telstar - and of course, I have a capture of that too :) http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/anthony/Car/Chase%20Mobile.jpg (taken sometime in March-April). Hope this helps you and anyone else who wants to put a thermo in their car. It really is a great thing to have, it's great seeing the temperature fluctuations! (IE, on my snow chase the temperature dropped 6C over 1km to -5.3C just outside of Warwick). And you see lots of temperature variations in the valleys, hills, flats, forrests etc. I have a light on my thermometer, which is handy for night use! If not, you can use the interior light in the car. I have to push the button for the thermo though, and it's sometimes difficult to read at night - so I'm contemplating looking at putting a very dull light on the dash to shine up the thermo, but we'll see what happens! Anthony Cornelius "Godsman, Andrew AG" wrote: > > Hello, > > Well, after being up on the Illawarra escarpment during all the excitement last week, I have gone out and brought temperature probes and display for the car. This way I can begin to participate more seriously with other chasers, and not respond to questions on temperature with answers like, "don't know but my hand holding the mobile phone feels like it's gonna fall off!!" About time too, also brought some gear for home so I really splashed out yesterday. > > Anyway, I know we went through this only about a month ago, but where is the best place on a car to stick one of these babies?? I've got around 3 metres of lead, and my car is a current model Mitsu Magna. Like everybody I want to minimise the effects of engine/exhaust heat and wind chill from the car travelling. Thank you in advance for your help. > > Cheers > Andrew Godsman > > EOM > > NOTICE - This message contains information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. It may also be confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify postmaster at bhp.com. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:43:59 +1200 To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Another Disappointment Sender: aussie-weather-approval at WORLD.STD.COM Reply-To: aussie-weather at WORLD.STD.COM A cold front went through Christchurch NZ at 1 40pm local time. New Zealand Met Service forecasted, earlier in the day, thunder and hail Nothing really interesting happened except for a normal cold front passage. Isolated showers, bit of snow on the Alps. A weak hail shower perhaps! I was really disappointed as I had cameras, T-shirt and car full of petrol looking forward to a bit of a chase. Unfortunately, back into the cupboard until the next time. At least a return to more winter conditions. It's been very mild over here with very spring like conditions over the last week or so. Lots of buds out, daffodils and even some newly born lambs running around the paddocks. August is coming up, could be an interesting month over here !?!?!? Maybe Christchurch could be in for the most dramatic thunderstorms for ages !?!?!? Here hoping. Oh dear, the borometer is up to 1019 hPa, any more interesting weather becoming more non existent ... how sad John Gaul NZ Thunderstorm Soc +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow. Cherry Tree Hill?? Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:29:03 +1000 Organization: X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I first noticed this trough at 10am from Wollongong, just Cb's on the SE/E horizon. Was able to watch it all day move up the coast. MIchael > swept up the divide during Wednesday, and the secondary trough that > moved up the coast on Thursday afternoon and evening, swinging the > lower/middle atmosphere winds east of south and generating a > slow-moving cloudband from which the fine-grained snow fell. There > were some local falls that don't fit this pattern and have yet to be > explained, but I think these were the two main broadscale events. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------