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Hi all

In my study of the morning glory, I have come across a few papers
regarding the inland penetration of sea breezes. These look at some
observations and compare them with the results from numerical models.
Unfortunately, in these papers there is no Bendigo specific study, but
the case of the 'Goondiwindi breeze' may be applicable, which springs up
on many summer evenings.

Goondiwindi is located 315km inland from the central Queensland coast,
latitude ~28S, and about 120km inland from the coast there is a 600m high
ridge. The eastern side is steeper while the western side tapers off.
The explanation given here was developed from the numerical modelling
results of this sea breeze.

During the day the sea breeze moves inland but stalls against the ridge
where it loses its identity. Just after midday a sea breeze like
disturbance develops in the lee of the ridge. So basically, you could
think of it as the sea breeze 'jumping' up the ridge, but probably due to
anabatic effects.

This new sea breeze in the lee continues to develop through the afternoon
and propagates down the hill and reaches Goondiwindi by ~2100 local time,
where its speed of propagation is around 8m/s (~30km/h). A model run
without the ridge present resulted in a weaker sea breeze which arrived
over an hour later at Goondiwindi. So, the presence of the hill speeds up
and intensifies the sea breeze. 

To confirm that the air arriving at Goodiwindi indeed originated from the
sea, tracer particles were put into the model, and this showed that this
air did originate from the sea.


A study was also done on the Canberra sea breeze. In this case,
observations were carried out in the 1940s during summer by following the
sea breeze by car and/or plane. The sea breeze has been recorded past
Canberra (114km from east coast), to Jugiong (191km inland) and Wagga
Wagga (270km). The 'idealised' topography used in the model, shows the
diving range rising up steeply on the eastern side to a height of ~600m in
50km (of which Canberra is just west of the peak) and then tapering off to
the west. The times of arrival of the sea breeze at Canberra seems to be
around 1700->1900. The limited model output shown in this paper seems to
show a similar process that that explained above.


In my modelling simulations of sea breezes, I have found that an
assisting geostrophic flow (in this case an easterly), increases the
depth of inflow into the sea breeze. Without this aiding geostrophic flow,
for my case this inflow is just over 500m in depth. 
[I state 'my case' as the surface heating I used, which is for Cape York
Peninsula, would be slightly higher than from the Canberra region, which
would result in a more intense sea breeze.]
With an aiding geostrophic flow of 5m/s (18km/h), the inflow increases
to a depth of about 1km. 

Looking at the wind profiles taken from the observations taken at
Canberra shows that inflow depths did indeed range from 300m -> ~800m
depending on the direction of the geostrophic flow (smaller heights for
opposing geostrophic flow).

If the aiding flow is above ~10m/s then this tends to have adverse effects
on the sea breeze head reducing the temperature contrast and velocity
change that occurs at the 'front'.


In another study, the Coorong-Renmark area was looked at in January 1959
and 1961. During 1961 a line of 9 stations aligned perpendicular to the
coast and reaching 165km inland were manned. Here it was found that the
sea breeze moves inland at increasing speed until 2200hr (local time)
where deceleration occurs and it may even reach Mildura (310km inland).
In fact propagation speeds of sea breezes are found to increase in speed
after sunset which is believed due to the cessation of daytime convection.

The distance the sea breeze is penetrates inland is thought to be
primarily governed by the Coriolis force which is dependent on the
rotation rate of Earth and the latitude. So, at lower latitudes, the sea
breeze can propagate larger distances. In the morning glory case, the east
coast sea breeze that develops on the eastern side of Cape York
Peninsula travels around 400km from the east side through to the west side. 


However, there is one thing to note about the penetration of sea breezes
inland. This is shown in the following study on the Kalgoorlie sea breeze,
and to some extent in my morning glory simulations. There are occassions
where the propagating sea breeze actually generates wave like disturbances
at low levels which move ahead of the sea breeze even after it has 'died'. 
It is possible that observations may not be able to distinguish between
the two cases, ie a bona-fide sea breeze, and these wave disturbances. At
the moment, I'm not going to touch on these wave disturbances as this
email is bloody well long enough :-p
 
Data on the Kalgoorlie sea breeze was obtained by the person driving his
car along the Esperance-Norseman-Kalgoorlie road and following this
sea breeze. He found that in summer the sea breeze not infrequently
penetrated as far as Kalgoorlie, which is a distance of 350km. It
typically arrived around 2210->2335 (local time). However, numerical
modelling showed that when parcels of air were tracked, any sea breeze air
was lost after about 250km. The disturbance that continued was thus a wave
and not a strict sea breeze.

> 
> The thought of this phenomenon being a sea breeze is one that has also
> crossed my mind in the past. It may be beneficial for someone like my 
> self to study and investigate this further, for as far as I know little
> study has been undertaken, in this part of the world at least, on how
> far sea breezes actually penetrate inland. (Perhaps because most of the
> country's population lives on or near the coast??) The closest point of
> the sea, which is Port Phillip Bay, is approximately 160 kilometres,
> which is a fair distance inland for a sea breeze front to travel. 
>

Gees I'm tired. Heading home now.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:16:26 -0700
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G'day Matthew,

Sorry mate, I should have started a new paragraph when I was talking
about Friday's forecast temp as being 15. That was taken from Channel
Ten and their 7 day forecast, and was not connected to the Bom's
forecasts or charts. Sorry for the confusion. 

Lindsay

The Weather Co. wrote:
> 
> Hi Lindsay
> 
> Just interested to know where you found out that the BoM max temp for Sydney
> is forecast to be 15? As far as I know, the official forecasts only go out
> to Wednesday...
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Matthew Pearce
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From: "macdonald" <sclmacdonald at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: snow records Guyra 94,96,84
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:41:00 +1000
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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>My Brothers went to Springbrook Thursday, they missed the snow falling, 
though it was 2C at 2pm.&nbsp; My brothers recorded the news footage of 
it.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Records of snow at Guyra</DIV>
<DIV><U>1994&nbsp; April 20th</U></DIV>
<UL>
  <LI>The lowest max for April is on the 12th at 7.5C</LI>
  <LI>Earliest snow fall for years, some residents commenting it was the first 
  fall of snow before Anzac Day for over 20yrs.</LI>
  <LI>snow extended to Black Mt, Bald Blair, and Ben Lomond.</LI>
  <LI>widespread snow 2-6cm.</LI></UL>
<DIV><U>1996 July </U></DIV>
<UL>
  <LI>Biggest fall of snow since 1984</LI>
  <LI>Devil's Pitch was closed for more than 14hrs</LI>
  <LI>time of going to press, Moday evening ( 14th July) snow was still falling 
  in eddies around the street lights, it remains to see if records will be 
  broken.</LI></UL>
<DIV><U>1984 3rd July</U></DIV>
<UL>
  <LI>Post Office recorded 25cm, but it was deeper in many parts of the district 
  and drifts were reported up to 1.5metres</LI>
  <LI>even a week later banked up snow remains</LI>
  <LI>Council eqipment was extra busy during the week, graders cleared snow from 
  many of the roads of the district.&nbsp; Guyra itself council used front end 
  loaders to clear away deep drifts and tonnes of snow and ice were carted 
  away&nbsp; in tip trucks to be dumped in less inconvenient places.&nbsp; They 
  ran out of places and used a gravel section of a street.</LI>
  <LI>P.O's Kerry Gittoes - remembered how he had to make his way down to 
  Armidale, with only the tops of the guide posts to show the way.&nbsp; At that 
  time&nbsp; snow drifts had reached 6ft.</LI></UL>
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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
<DIV>Just got back.&nbsp; There was still patches of snow around as I left Guyra 
at 9:00am, and also at Ben Lomond Range.&nbsp; Temp 3.9C at 8:30.&nbsp; Now for 
the Guyra story:-</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thursday </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;fine all morning, previous day the cab drive said they had 13mm of 
rain </DIV>
<DIV>at around 2:30pm light snow (melted on the ground 3.3C) </DIV>
<DIV>Went down to the Library to view some snow records at approx 3:00pm, on the 
way down there were more snow flurries ( sticking to my Driza-Bone).&nbsp; 
Looked at the records for 84,94,96.&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>At about 4:00 ish I looked outside from the Library - saw snow falling, it 
was starting to cover the ground, then it stopped and the sun came out - I 
decided to head back to the caravan park ( highest caravan park in Australia) 
</DIV>
<DIV>At 5:00 (temp 0.8C) - I saw small ice pellets(sleet) coming down outside my 
van. </DIV>
<DIV>At 7:00(temp -1.0C) - I stepped out, and to my astonishment - there was 
snow everywhere, I didn't hear anything!&nbsp;&nbsp; It was blowing snow - snow 
all over the cars in the undercover shelter. F&amp;*%ing freezing winds( cut me 
like a knife) </DIV>
<DIV>Went to bed early about 9:30. </DIV>
<DIV>Woke up at midnight - it was blowing snow (very very cold -2.7C) , snow was 
deep about 4cm - about 12cm.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Friday -</DIV>
<DIV>Woke up at 5:00am, snowing lightly </DIV>
<DIV>At 6:00 (when it was light) - I was greeted by the sight which I had 
travelled to see.&nbsp; The New England highway was completely white - snow was 
about 2/3cm on highway and about 4-12cm everywhere else, except the drains along 
the highway where the snow was about 20+cm. </DIV>
<DIV>At 7:00 temp -1.4 </DIV>
<DIV>At 8am - 11:00am I walked the town taking photos -roads, roofs, 
cattle,sheep.trees etc all white.&nbsp; Snow at the park at Mother of Duck 
lagoon was thick about 10cm - 30cm. </DIV>
<DIV>Main street&nbsp; - footpaths, bowling green(white!) was covered. </DIV>
<DIV>Noon - 6:00 - started to thaw as the sun was out.&nbsp; People made 
snowpersons(politically correct!) - one in particular was over 6ft.&nbsp; It was 
going into the local paper. </DIV>
<DIV>Highway was closed Thursday, I never heard any trucks! </DIV></BODY></HTML>
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How bout these,

the Wagga Wagga Willy Willy.
the Fannie Bay Funnel.


:)

Andrew

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow.
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:43:07 +1000
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I can relate to this. One of the reef breaks I used to surf 20 years we near
always called it 6-8ft when it was huge. It never sunk until somebody took
some film and we watched it later and realised these 6-8ft waves were
twice - thrice overhead of a standing surfer.,

Of course that all pales to Hawaii macho were even on surf videos the locals
are  calling 10ft tubes 3-4ft.

michael




> estimates of 3cm or 4cm of snow might have been a bit conservative (a
> result of my surfing days when it was "macho" to underestimate wave
> height!) as there seemed to be a fair bit more than 3cm on the courts,
> although it could have been under the influence of an eddy etc, as all
> three courts are well fenced up to about ten feet in height. Then again,
> we had little wind.
>
> The Bom has another front on the way later next week, although it looks
> to have the high sitting above the bight a bit more, maybe. Not sure if
> it will reach us although Sydney's temp is forecast as 15 for Friday.
>



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Hi Laurier.
I am rather interested in the "species" of snow that moved across N.S.W from
the south to the north last week and of it being dry and small. Its
interesting to note that reports of this type of precipitation were rather
general. The cloud band producing the falls looked interesting also as it
moved northward across the state. It would be good to check soundings for an
explanation in regards to the generation of this rather unusual type of
snow.
                      regards Clyve Herbert.










----- Original Message -----
From: Laurier Williams <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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> I took a ride from Blackheath to Jenolan Caves --> Edith --> Shooters
> Hill --> Black Springs --> Oberon --> Blackheath this afternoon to see
> what remnants of snow were about. I often find it instructive to do
> this after a reasonable dump, because the remaining snow in sheltered,
> south-facing areas allows a reasonably comparable estimate of snowfall
> to be made that is far more detailed than the raingauge network
> permits.
>
> What struck me was the even distribution of remaining snow. From
> before Hampton and right around the 150km loop I was making, there
> were virtually the same amounts of remaining snow anywhere above 900m.
> Normally, higher areas like Shooters Hill and Mt Trickett at >1200m
> have noticeably more snow lying than areas such as Hampton to Oberon
> (1000 to 1100m). The only place with significantly more snow was an
> area about 10km south of Black Springs, where most fields, even those
> in full sunlight, still had a >50% cover. As yesterday and today have
> been uniformly sunny with 5 to 10kt winds evening out the temperature
> distribution, I can only conclude that this area had the heaviest
> snow, and it coincides with my observation when driving through the
> area on Wednesday night.
>
> For anyone in Sydney desperate to see some snow tomorrow, Sunday,
> there are still some good drifts just past Hampton on the Oberon Road,
> just after it turns off the Jenolan Caves road. In fact, the "Ice on
> Road" signs were still out at 4 this afternoon, and very much needed,
> as the compressed remnants of several larger drifts still lay across
> the road.
>
> Laurier
>
>
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:31 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >Blackheath: Saturday 1205pm
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Still a few small drifts of snow around here. The house in the shady,
> >south facing valley at the back of our property still has a full cover
> >of snow on the lawn. The bottom of Links Rd has some snow and hazardous
> >ice and various pockets around this area are similar. No snow around on
> >the highway though, to exposed.
> >
> snip
>
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Hi Clyve,

The snow flakes were rather small but the ones under the cumulonimbus at 
Cherry Tree Hill were larger in fact at least 10cm size with some larger 
flakes mixed in. That was at an altitude of 1100m and also fell during the 
heaviest of the snow - visibility < 500m.

Jimmy Deguara

At 01:18 AM 30/07/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Laurier.
>I am rather interested in the "species" of snow that moved across N.S.W from
>the south to the north last week and of it being dry and small. Its
>interesting to note that reports of this type of precipitation were rather
>general. The cloud band producing the falls looked interesting also as it
>moved northward across the state. It would be good to check soundings for an
>explanation in regards to the generation of this rather unusual type of
>snow.
>                       regards Clyve Herbert.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Laurier Williams <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 7:18 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow.
>
>
> > I took a ride from Blackheath to Jenolan Caves --> Edith --> Shooters
> > Hill --> Black Springs --> Oberon --> Blackheath this afternoon to see
> > what remnants of snow were about. I often find it instructive to do
> > this after a reasonable dump, because the remaining snow in sheltered,
> > south-facing areas allows a reasonably comparable estimate of snowfall
> > to be made that is far more detailed than the raingauge network
> > permits.
> >
> > What struck me was the even distribution of remaining snow. From
> > before Hampton and right around the 150km loop I was making, there
> > were virtually the same amounts of remaining snow anywhere above 900m.
> > Normally, higher areas like Shooters Hill and Mt Trickett at >1200m
> > have noticeably more snow lying than areas such as Hampton to Oberon
> > (1000 to 1100m). The only place with significantly more snow was an
> > area about 10km south of Black Springs, where most fields, even those
> > in full sunlight, still had a >50% cover. As yesterday and today have
> > been uniformly sunny with 5 to 10kt winds evening out the temperature
> > distribution, I can only conclude that this area had the heaviest
> > snow, and it coincides with my observation when driving through the
> > area on Wednesday night.
> >
> > For anyone in Sydney desperate to see some snow tomorrow, Sunday,
> > there are still some good drifts just past Hampton on the Oberon Road,
> > just after it turns off the Jenolan Caves road. In fact, the "Ice on
> > Road" signs were still out at 4 this afternoon, and very much needed,
> > as the compressed remnants of several larger drifts still lay across
> > the road.
> >
> > Laurier
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:31 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Blackheath: Saturday 1205pm
> > >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >Still a few small drifts of snow around here. The house in the shady,
> > >south facing valley at the back of our property still has a full cover
> > >of snow on the lawn. The bottom of Links Rd has some snow and hazardous
> > >ice and various pockets around this area are similar. No snow around on
> > >the highway though, to exposed.
> > >
> > snip
> >
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Jimmy -- do you really mean 10cm? That's 4 inches across? 

Clyve, I'm going to do a more thorough study of this snow event, but
my early thoughts are that most of the snowfall north of the Snowy
Mountains came from two events -- snowshowers with the "front" that
swept up the divide during Wednesday, and the secondary trough that
moved up the coast on Thursday afternoon and evening, swinging the
lower/middle atmosphere winds east of south and generating a
slow-moving cloudband from which the fine-grained snow fell. There
were some local falls that don't fit this pattern and have yet to be
explained, but I think these were the two main broadscale events.

The Wednesday event produced pretty typical snow, and I had the good
fortune to be driving north along the divide more or less with (or a
short distance behind) the front all the way from Orbost to
Blackheath. The snow this produced was "normal" -- i.e. flakes from 5
to 10mm, tending larger when falling as wet snow with the temp around
1 to 2, and smaller as the stream cooled to 0 and below and the snow
fell dry. 

In the Thursday event, the snow at Blackheath could almost be
described as drizzle-snow, and may well have been formed by the same
mechanism that produces drizzle on the Blue Mountains -- i.e. a
relatively thin but well mixed moist southeasterly. It also fell in
completely calm conditions, at least at ground level, with surface
temps around -1, so that coalescence would have been minimised. It
fell consistently and moderately for a little over an hour at my
place, then intermittently and lightly for another two hours, yielding
a depth of 4cm, and melted in the raingauge to yield 1.9mm, so density
on the ground was much less than the normal 1:~1.3 that I'd expect
here. Also of interest is that it produced snow west of Lithgow as
well, rather unusual for a sou'easter where the rain cuts off sharply
west of Mt Victoria. 

I'll be interested to go through the data, especially the uppers. I
have the AMDAR data from aircraft into and out of Sydney Airport,
which will give some interesting time/height temperature profiles, and
perhaps explain why the cloudband seemed to stall over the area for
several hours, prolonging the event over the Illawarra escarpment and
into the Blue Mountains.

Laurier


On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:22:46 +1000, Jimmy Deguara
<jdeguara at ihug.com.au> wrote:

>Hi Clyve,
>
>The snow flakes were rather small but the ones under the cumulonimbus at 
>Cherry Tree Hill were larger in fact at least 10cm size with some larger 
>flakes mixed in. That was at an altitude of 1100m and also fell during the 
>heaviest of the snow - visibility < 500m.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 01:18 AM 30/07/00 +1000, you wrote:
>>Hi Laurier.
>>I am rather interested in the "species" of snow that moved across N.S.W from
>>the south to the north last week and of it being dry and small. Its
>>interesting to note that reports of this type of precipitation were rather
>>general. The cloud band producing the falls looked interesting also as it
>>moved northward across the state. It would be good to check soundings for an
>>explanation in regards to the generation of this rather unusual type of
>>snow.
>>                       regards Clyve Herbert.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Laurier Williams <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
>>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 7:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lingering snow drifts and shovelling snow.
>>
>>
>> > I took a ride from Blackheath to Jenolan Caves --> Edith --> Shooters
>> > Hill --> Black Springs --> Oberon --> Blackheath this afternoon to see
>> > what remnants of snow were about. I often find it instructive to do
>> > this after a reasonable dump, because the remaining snow in sheltered,
>> > south-facing areas allows a reasonably comparable estimate of snowfall
>> > to be made that is far more detailed than the raingauge network
>> > permits.
>> >
>> > What struck me was the even distribution of remaining snow. From
>> > before Hampton and right around the 150km loop I was making, there
>> > were virtually the same amounts of remaining snow anywhere above 900m.
>> > Normally, higher areas like Shooters Hill and Mt Trickett at >1200m
>> > have noticeably more snow lying than areas such as Hampton to Oberon
>> > (1000 to 1100m). The only place with significantly more snow was an
>> > area about 10km south of Black Springs, where most fields, even those
>> > in full sunlight, still had a >50% cover. As yesterday and today have
>> > been uniformly sunny with 5 to 10kt winds evening out the temperature
>> > distribution, I can only conclude that this area had the heaviest
>> > snow, and it coincides with my observation when driving through the
>> > area on Wednesday night.
>> >
>> > For anyone in Sydney desperate to see some snow tomorrow, Sunday,
>> > there are still some good drifts just past Hampton on the Oberon Road,
>> > just after it turns off the Jenolan Caves road. In fact, the "Ice on
>> > Road" signs were still out at 4 this afternoon, and very much needed,
>> > as the compressed remnants of several larger drifts still lay across
>> > the road.
>> >
>> > Laurier
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:31 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >Blackheath: Saturday 1205pm
>> > >
>> > >Hi all,
>> > >
>> > >Still a few small drifts of snow around here. The house in the shady,
>> > >south facing valley at the back of our property still has a full cover
>> > >of snow on the lawn. The bottom of Links Rd has some snow and hazardous
>> > >ice and various pockets around this area are similar. No snow around on
>> > >the highway though, to exposed.
>> > >
>> > snip
>> >
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:42:02 GMT
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Don, I'm receiving a fairly normal load for the list. I have noticed,
however, just a few very late postings -- i.e. ones that appear to
have been stuck in the system for ~24 hours. Ozemail has been making
changes to its mail servers for a few days, and there is more work to
be done, so the problems may be limited to Ozemail users and may vary
depending on the mail server you are assigned to.

Laurier


On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:16:43 +1000, Don White
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>Has anything been posted to this list this week end?
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: snowfall at Guyra
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:49:41 GMT
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Excellent report, Sam -- really detailed and descriptive. And some
nice detective work at the library in your other post.

Laurier


On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:52:02 +1000, "macdonald"
<sclmacdonald at bigpond.com> wrote:

>Hi All
>Just got back.  There was still patches of snow around as I left Guyra at 9:00am, and also at Ben Lomond Range.  Temp 3.9C at 8:30.  Now for the Guyra story:-
>
>Thursday 
> fine all morning, previous day the cab drive said they had 13mm of rain 
>at around 2:30pm light snow (melted on the ground 3.3C) 
>Went down to the Library to view some snow records at approx 3:00pm, on the way down there were more snow flurries ( sticking to my Driza-Bone).  Looked at the records for 84,94,96.  
>At about 4:00 ish I looked outside from the Library - saw snow falling, it was starting to cover the ground, then it stopped and the sun came out - I decided to head back to the caravan park ( highest caravan park in Australia) 
>At 5:00 (temp 0.8C) - I saw small ice pellets(sleet) coming down outside my van. 
>At 7:00(temp -1.0C) - I stepped out, and to my astonishment - there was snow everywhere, I didn't hear anything!   It was blowing snow - snow all over the cars in the undercover shelter. F&*%ing freezing winds( cut me like a knife) 
>Went to bed early about 9:30. 
>Woke up at midnight - it was blowing snow (very very cold -2.7C) , snow was deep about 4cm - about 12cm.
>
>Friday -
>Woke up at 5:00am, snowing lightly 
>At 6:00 (when it was light) - I was greeted by the sight which I had travelled to see.  The New England highway was completely white - snow was about 2/3cm on highway and about 4-12cm everywhere else, except the drains along the highway where the snow was about 20+cm. 
>At 7:00 temp -1.4 
>At 8am - 11:00am I walked the town taking photos -roads, roofs, cattle,sheep.trees etc all white.  Snow at the park at Mother of Duck lagoon was thick about 10cm - 30cm. 
>Main street  - footpaths, bowling green(white!) was covered. 
>Noon - 6:00 - started to thaw as the sun was out.  People made snowpersons(politically correct!) - one in particular was over 6ft.  It was going into the local paper. 
>Highway was closed Thursday, I never heard any trucks! 

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What's going on! This is the 20th copy of this I have got.

David Findlay

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Is it just me or is there an echo in here? :)


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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: USA humour
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Love that second one !!!

Michael



> How bout these,
>
> the Wagga Wagga Willy Willy.
> the Fannie Bay Funnel.
>
>
> :)
>
> Andrew
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: ASWA AGM Videos - Please read if attending AGM
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Just a reminder about the videos.

It would be preferred that you bring a video of no more than  15 mins per
person. You will surprised just how much  action you can squeeze into 15
mins.

It notice that the proposed meeting structure has time allocated for each
state, so we should get to see many videos.

Just let me know if you intend to show video, no need to reply if you
already have. This is so we can get an idea on numbers.

If we have time left we can show longer tapes at the end.

Michael Thompson
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Hi all,

I think karratha's email must contain some kind of self copy virues within. 
Once it send to all the list in aus-wx , it will copy itself until the system over flow 
or till your email address's capacity FULL..

Help...!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hi all,

I got around to doing a report and adding some video captures.  Please
don't laugh too hard of what I had to do to survive the initial cold :) 
I didn't tell anyone at first due to embarrassment, but I thought what
the heck - give people a bit of a laugh :)

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/storm-chasing/chasestories/2000/28-07-2000.htm

-- 
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I liked it too. But was too scared to touch that one......

Bussy
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> Love that second one !!!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > How bout these,
> >
> > the Wagga Wagga Willy Willy.
> > the Fannie Bay Funnel.
> >
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Andrew
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:05:09 +1000
From: MSC - Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Evening all,

MSC - Melbourne Storm Chasers has had an address change.  Listed below
are the most commonly accessed pages.
If you would like to rebookmark those pages, just click on them, go to
the page & add it to your Favourites list saving over the link you
already have.

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com
MSC's Cafe (loads of forecasting & links sites)
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/forecasting.htm
July Forecast Outlook, Discussion & Report Page
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/july2000.htm
Why is it So?????
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/why.htm

Please let me know if you find an image which won't load, or a link that
goes nowhere, or to the wrong place....I can recommend different ways of
spending a Sunday afternoon than duplicating a website *this* big!!!!!
<sigh>

My email address has also changed but the old one will continue to work.

Jane
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Hi

it looks like they have a auto responder set to warn of an email 
change so that everytime the list echos their message back Keiths 
bot replys saying the addres has changed .. which gets echoed 
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