From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 00:19:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, Well tonight looks like being the coldest so far, with the temp into single figures by 10:00pm and.. no wind - which means Jack will most likely visit sometime around dawn. Forecast for Ipswich (Amberley) is -1C, so we should be around 5C based on recent obs. Meantime, did I hear correctly... Last nights Ch 7 news made mention of SNOW sitings in the ranges behind MACKAY overnight on Thursday. Surely not?? John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: "aus-wx" Subject: aus-wx: Wallsend StormCam Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:46:31 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 13:26:21 -0400 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" Subject: Re: aus-wx: ICQ (again) To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id NAA18776 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I am impressed! What a machine! > Now running PIII-600 on an ABit motherboard overclocked at 150 * 4.5 thats 675MHz, laugh at that ((: > ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com essage text written by INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com >Now running PIII-600 on an ABit motherboard overclocked at 150 * 4.5 thats 675MHz, laugh at that ((: < +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: ICQ (again) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:43:04 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Leslie R. Lemon To: Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 6:26 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: ICQ (again) > I am impressed! What a machine yeah, now fully restored! I'm going to try and get you with ICQ, TC Georgina in an ASWA tee follows... Les +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 09:57:16 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi John, I thought we'd get down very low last night where I was, but at midnight it had only fallen 0.3C in 70mins to 9.3C, and then at 2:15am after a rude awakening from finding ANOTHER pin in my new PJ's, the temperature was 8.3C. Checking the min this morning - we only reached 8.1C! Meanwhile, the Brisbane AP bottomed out at 4C - I've had temps quite close to the AP's for the past 5-6 days, but last night was different. Perhaps it's because the placing of my thermo is not ideal, and requires wind to keep the temperature accurate - last night was calm. Now, if only I could get rid of that clothsline and put a Stevenson Screen there... The new Brisbane site was 7C (even higher then the new bodgy site - eek! ) Amberly was -2C! The peanut town (Kingaroy), got to -2C, Monto, Warwick, Stanthorpe, Oakey got to -3C, Miles -2C, Dalby and Texas got -1C, Biloela (Capricornia), 0C, Proserpine was 5C again - how are you guys liking the cold? :-) Most of the Maranoa reporting stations were also below 0C, (-1 or -2C), and Mt Isa got 1C, with Julia Creek and Cloncurry getting 4C and 5C respectively. I don't think the reports of snow near Mackay are correct - the air was not cold enough in the low-mid levels up in the Capricornia district for snow (although the ranges have had snow before). John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi Anthony, > > Well tonight looks like being the coldest so far, with the temp > into single figures by 10:00pm and.. no wind - which means Jack will > most likely visit sometime around dawn. Forecast for Ipswich > (Amberley) is -1C, so we should be around 5C based on recent obs. > > Meantime, did I hear correctly... Last nights Ch 7 news made > mention of SNOW sitings in the ranges behind MACKAY overnight on > Thursday. Surely not?? > > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Anthony Spierings" To: Subject: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 11:22:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony & John, > rude awakening from finding ANOTHER pin in my new PJ's, the temperature > was 8.3C. Ouch: Not because of the pin, but having to get out of bed to remove it. > > The new Brisbane site was 7C (even higher then the new bodgy site - eek! > ) Amberly was -2C! The peanut town (Kingaroy), got to -2C, Monto, > Warwick, Stanthorpe, Oakey got to -3C, Miles -2C, Dalby and Texas got > -1C, Biloela (Capricornia), 0C, Proserpine was 5C again - how are you > guys liking the cold? :-) I must have missed the memorandum, where again is the new site located? I think that the two Brisbane sites are also causing inconsistency in reporting by the local media. I keep hearing a forecast/recorded minimum on one TV/radio station (take your pick) only to hear another forecast/recorded minimum on another not 30 minutes later! Comments. Regards, Anthony Spierings +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 01:31:46 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id VAA03942 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I'm finding all NPMOC satpix very slow this morning. Is it my ISP or is anyone else having this problem? The uppers for Mt Gambier this morning are cold -- -13 at 700 and -30 at 500. I notice the SkewT's on the new Bureau site are available much earlier than the Wyoming ones. Presumably the Bureau ones are being done as soon as the data comes in from the airports, while the Wyoming ones have to wait for the scheduled broadcast over the GTS, which is, I think, at 11.30am/pm EST. The Bureau ones were already there at 11.10am and may have been earlier. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 11:52:40 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, Laurier Williams wrote: > > I'm finding all NPMOC satpix very slow this morning. Is it my ISP or > is anyone else having this problem? Not your ISP, everyone is having the same problem. I've been downloading for 2.5hrs now, and have only receved 23% of the GMSD :-( > The uppers for Mt Gambier this morning are cold -- -13 at 700 and -30 > at 500. I notice the SkewT's on the new Bureau site are available much > earlier than the Wyoming ones. Presumably the Bureau ones are being > done as soon as the data comes in from the airports, while the Wyoming > ones have to wait for the scheduled broadcast over the GTS, which is, > I think, at 11.30am/pm EST. The Bureau ones were already there at > 11.10am and may have been earlier. This site is fantastic Laurier! I love it! The Skew's are much larger, and hence easier to read. I'm currently doing a revamp of my old skew-t explanation page. Not sure when it'll be finished though - but it'll still be based on Wyoming, as they have the archive and it's much easier to find examples through the archive. > Laurier > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 11:41:42 -0700 From: Lindsay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's very slow for me too Laurier. I use Lisp, as my isp. Not even 4 degrees here at Blackheath at midday which is pretty cold considering it was expected to get to around 10, I think. Laurier Williams wrote: > > I'm finding all NPMOC satpix very slow this morning. Is it my ISP or > is anyone else having this problem? > > The uppers for Mt Gambier this morning are cold -- -13 at 700 and -30 > at 500. I notice the SkewT's on the new Bureau site are available much > earlier than the Wyoming ones. Presumably the Bureau ones are being > done as soon as the data comes in from the airports, while the Wyoming > ones have to wait for the scheduled broadcast over the GTS, which is, > I think, at 11.30am/pm EST. The Bureau ones were already there at > 11.10am and may have been earlier. > > Laurier > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:10:10 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony, (always strange addressing some one with the same name :-) Anthony Spierings wrote: > > I must have missed the memorandum, where again is the new site located? > > I think that the two Brisbane sites are also causing inconsistency in > reporting by the local media. I keep hearing a forecast/recorded minimum on > one TV/radio station (take your pick) only to hear another forecast/recorded > minimum on another not 30 minutes later! Comments. The new site is located at Kangaroo Point. It certainly does provide some confusion - essentially, it was thought that the Brisbane AP was not representative of Brisbane itself, because it could be a pleasant 27C at the AP, but be in the low 30's in the suburbs. And with winter, it was thought that the mins at the AP were too high, as it was colder in the suburbs. Well, we'll find out if the first is true when summer comes, but it certainly doesn't seem to be true for winter mins! The first thought that came into my mind was thinking back to micro-climates (eg, New York 'heat island effect.') But I wouldn't have thought that Brisbane was large enough to create that! But Kangaroo Point is surrounded by highrises apartment buildings that overlook the CBD onto the river. My guess is probably that the temperatures are probably moderated from the Brisbane River - but that will depend on how close it is the river. Also - if it is near highrise buildings, then perhaps the highrise buildings do emit some heat from heating etc. This is just pure speculation though. Blair, do you know exactly where the Brisbane site is located? No doubt I agree with you about confusion occuring from the media - which site do they use, the Brisbane AP, or the Brisbane CBD? Well - no doubt the media will use this to the advantage. In cold snaps, there'll just reports the lowest of the two, and in heat waves they'll just report the highest of the two. So that'll give the public the wrong perception. They may even go so far as to mix results, eg - hypothetical situation: Brisbane AP: 26/37 Brisbane CBD: 24/41 They may say "Brisbane had a min of 26C and a max of 41C" - which will essentially be correct - but misleading. The best thing that could happen, is that the two be given completely different names as to try and eliminate ambiguity - but which station is the "proper" one? To my knowledge, the Brisbane AP still remains as the official recording site of Brisbane - but the Brisbane CBD one is just so people will stop complaining that the temperatures at the AP are not representative of the "actual" temperature in the suburbs. Unfortunately, people don't understand the measurement system of temperatures (ie in a Stevenson screen), and think that because they got 40C on their verandah with a tin roof, that it was 5C hotter then the AP which recorded 35C - thus the AP temperature to them is wrong. As you already said - confusion has already started with different sets of mins and maxes being given out! (Unless of course this took place over a time when the BoM updated their temperature forecasts). The BoM should really hold media briefings to educate the media, but I guess that all comes down to money - something that IMHO the BoM doesn't have enough of :-( -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:13:00 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep Laurier the Navy sat pic site is as slow as a dog this morning, taking me 25min to download the pic with cable Looks like a nice cold outbreak in the wings for SE Australia. The latest sat pics show a nice pool of cold air off SE SA and SW Vic. Some nice Cu going up here in Melbourne, looks like an interesting afternoon. Those having trouble accessing the navy sat pic I will put a link to it on my site once i have it downloaded. go to http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ oh, gusty shower here now Nick from Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurier Williams" To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier > I'm finding all NPMOC satpix very slow this morning. Is it my ISP or > is anyone else having this problem? > > The uppers for Mt Gambier this morning are cold -- -13 at 700 and -30 > at 500. I notice the SkewT's on the new Bureau site are available much > earlier than the Wyoming ones. Presumably the Bureau ones are being > done as soon as the data comes in from the airports, while the Wyoming > ones have to wait for the scheduled broadcast over the GTS, which is, > I think, at 11.30am/pm EST. The Bureau ones were already there at > 11.10am and may have been earlier. > > Laurier > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: aus-wx: Hail in Melbourne!!! Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:23:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just had a hail shower go through my place, very cold now. Cb's are popping up all over the place now, looks like it will be a very interesting afternoon. Temp, 8.9, wind westerly Nick from Clayton, Melbourne http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:50:20 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id WAA11163 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Vic BoM forecasts have snow down to 600m. Tassie is going for 700m. The NSW BoM forecasts have "snow on higher ground", a cop-out terminology that was used throughout last week's episode, despite widespread snow to lower levels along the tablelands and SW Slopes. What is "higher ground"? NSW RFC always gave estimates of snow level up to last winter, so the new terminology appears to be a deliberate policy of fuzzying the information when the decisions are difficult on the part of the NSW RFC. Laurier +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:58:42 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Laurier, I am not acting in defence of the Bureau but I was under the impression that even during the summer with its (BoM) summer forecasts and now you mention the snow forecasts, this generalising may be the product of the advice from the US forecasters. I know Chuck Doswell gave some advice on forecasting based on probabilities. I am not sure if this is related: perhaps Blair or some others from the Bureau may want to make some comments. Just my thoughts... Jimmy Deguara At 02:50 4/06/00 +0000, you wrote: >The Vic BoM forecasts have snow down to 600m. Tassie is going for >700m. The NSW BoM forecasts have "snow on higher ground", a cop-out >terminology that was used throughout last week's episode, despite >widespread snow to lower levels along the tablelands and SW Slopes. >What is "higher ground"? > >NSW RFC always gave estimates of snow level up to last winter, so the >new terminology appears to be a deliberate policy of fuzzying the >information when the decisions are difficult on the part of the NSW >RFC. > >Laurier > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Jimmy Deguara from Schofields, Sydney President of Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. (ASWA) http://severeweather.asn.au e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au homepage with Michael Bath note new URL http://australiasevereweather.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ To: "Australian Weather Mailing List" Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 12:24:43 +1000 From: "Michael Powell" X-Sent-Mail: on X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? X-Sender-Ip: 203.147.160.43 Organization: MailCity (http://www.mailcity.lycos.com:80) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Greetings to Brisbanites and list, Whilst the mercury did not plunge on the bayside, the western suburbs definitely felt the cold snap overnight. The air had a distinct sharpness to it, with or without pins in the PJ's. Definitely felt the coldest for Brisbanites this winter. As Anthony mentioned, the new Brisbane site recorded a min of 7. Here at suburban Ashgrove, which is just 6 km away, I recorded 4.7, making a degree change for each 2 km you travel. Tonight's forecast makes for little change, with daytime temps edging 20. Winds starting to pickup again tomorrow afternoon varying SW/NW. Michael Hi John, I thought we'd get down very low last night where I was, but at midnight it had only fallen 0.3C in 70mins to 9.3C, and then at 2:15am after a rude awakening from finding ANOTHER pin in my new PJ's, the temperature was 8.3C. Checking the min this morning - we only reached 8.1C! Meanwhile, the Brisbane AP bottomed out at 4C - I've had temps quite close to the AP's for the past 5-6 days, but last night was different. Perhaps it's because the placing of my thermo is not ideal, and requires wind to keep the temperature accurate - last night was calm. Now, if only I could get rid of that clothsline and put a Stevenson Screen there... The new Brisbane site was 7C (even higher then the new bodgy site - eek!) Amberly was -2C! The peanut town (Kingaroy), got to -2C, Monto, Warwick, Stanthorpe, Oakey got to -3C, Miles -2C, Dalby and Texas got -1C, Biloela (Capricornia), 0C, Proserpine was 5C again - how are you guys liking the cold? :-) Most of the Maranoa reporting stations were also below 0C, (-1 or -2C), and Mt Isa got 1C, with Julia Creek and Cloncurry getting 4C and 5C respectively. I don't think the reports of snow near Mackay are correct - the air was not cold enough in the low-mid levels up in the Capricornia district for snow (although the ranges have had snow before). John Woodbridge wrote: > > Hi Anthony, > > Well tonight looks like being the coldest so far, with the temp into single figures by 10:00pm and.. no wind - which means Jack will most likely visit sometime around dawn. Forecast for Ipswich (Amberley) is -1C, so we should be around 5C based on recent obs. > > Meantime, did I hear correctly... Last nights Ch 7 news made > mention of SNOW sitings in the ranges behind MACKAY overnight on > Thursday. Surely not?? > > John. Send FREE Greetings for Father's Day--or any day! Click here: http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/fathers_day.rdct +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 13:23:37 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Cold morning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, It was definitely the coldest morning this year so far. Frost was widespread and "severe" in terms of Sydney's standard. Very picturesque!! From my observations, it looked and felt like -3C. When we get frost on higher ground that is widespread as well as on roofs and the cars, then it is unusually cold and a -3 is in order. Anything below this and ice is observed in puddles etc outside!!! Loved the 1986 severe winter. Actually this brings on the recent discussion on the Friday July 25th 1986 brief cold snap. Don suggested that the temps recorded across Sydney could not sustain snow nor sleet but light hail. It seemed to me here at Schofields elevation (64 metres) that we had sleet: don't think it was light hail. What I observed was very cold wind and light ice droplets floating to the ground with the wind more or less. There were several reports of snow on higher grounds that afternoon. I even recall seeing snow on the backs of car windshields in TV reports that evening and was under the impression it was the higher regions of the northern suburbs but I could be wrong. Rune suggested there was snow based on the reports from locals in his area and he lives at a fairly high elevation compared to the rest of Sydney. Perhaps briefly under the cumulus, the downdraughts produced sufficient cold air due to evaporative cooling for sleet and perhaps even snow on higher ground - 200m elevation or more. We missed out on the main precipitation cloud and the cloud seemed to be dissipating which is why it did not last long. Geoff Thurtell has more to say on this subject as to what he observed over the SW suburbs. I know for a fact that the lower Blue Mountains and parts of Wollongong also observed snow during this event as mentioned in recent e-mails. Jimmy Deguara ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Jimmy Deguara from Schofields, Sydney President of Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. (ASWA) http://severeweather.asn.au e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au homepage with Michael Bath note new URL http://australiasevereweather.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:54:20 -0400 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id XAA18393 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Anthony wrote: > Hi John, > > I thought we'd get down very low last night where I was, but at midnight > it had only fallen 0.3C in 70mins to 9.3C, and then at 2:15am after a > rude awakening from finding ANOTHER pin in my new PJ's, the temperature > was 8.3C. Checking the min this morning - we only reached 8.1C! I have continued to watch this cold spell and snowy airmass sweep the populated areas of Australia and compare it to the US winter, just past. Here, in the central plains and for much of the country we failed to have an Arctic airmass intrusion into the states all winter.....not one! That is very rare. Because of that we failed to even approach 0 degrees F (- 17 C) as we usually do. In fact, some days we normally have a high temp for the day of about 0 F. We also usually have at least one night when we will get down to at least ~ -5 F (~ -20 C). In, the late 80's (89?) we had one two consecutive days in which we had low temps of -23 F (-30.5 C), and one day we had a high temp of ~ -15 F (-26 C). But this past winter we averaged well above normal and less than average snow. It was pathetic!! Les ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 14:42:11 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: HAIL IN ADELAIDE!!! Re: aus-wx: Hail in Melbourne!!! Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com We just had a couple of cells go through, I headed for the coast (i figured if anything is going to drop out of them, the coast would be a good place to start) I took shelter near some public toilets, saved me getting wet. Took some stills and video of it coming in, got pretty damn windy too at least 40knts easy, wind was howling like a starving dog. Hail was brief, size only about 5mm still not bad for a passing shower. More on the way, just recharging the video batteries. At 12:23 PM 6/4/00 +1000, you wrote: >Just had a hail shower go through my place, very cold now. > >Cb's are popping up all over the place now, looks like it will be a very >interesting afternoon. > >Temp, 8.9, wind westerly > >Nick from Clayton, Melbourne > > >http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:09:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Anthony. Add a 6.0C min from Mt. Crosby, and no evidence of Jack after all. It was however, the coldest night so far. I suspect the amount of vegetation (I recall your yard as being well vegetated) close to the theromometer on still dry air nights influences the local DP quite a bit, hence the warmer than expected reading as the air doesn't cool quite so quickly. Certainly seems to be my case, combined with a ridge top elevation advantage. I will mount a thermometer at the bottom of my drive way at -15m altitude compared to the house and see what derives tonight. John. >snip Hi John, I thought we'd get down very low last night where I was, but at midnight it had only fallen 0.3C in 70mins to 9.3C, and then at 2:15am after a rude awakening from finding ANOTHER pin in my new PJ's, the temperature was 8.3C. Checking the min this morning - we only reached 8.1C! Meanwhile, the Brisbane AP bottomed out at 4C - I've had temps quite close to the AP's for the past 5-6 days, but last night was different. Perhaps it's because the placing of my thermo is not ideal, and requires wind to keep the temperature accurate - last night was calm. Now, if only I could get rid of that clothsline and put a Stevenson Screen there... The new Brisbane site was 7C (even higher then the new bodgy site - eek! ) Amberly was -2C! The peanut town (Kingaroy), got to -2C, Monto, Warwick, Stanthorpe, Oakey got to -3C, Miles -2C, Dalby and Texas got -1C, Biloela (Capricornia), 0C, Proserpine was 5C again - how are you guys liking the cold? :-) Most of the Maranoa reporting stations were also below 0C, (-1 or -2C), and Mt Isa got 1C, with Julia Creek and Cloncurry getting 4C and 5C respectively. I don't think the reports of snow near Mackay are correct - the air was not cold enough in the low-mid levels up in the Capricornia district for snow (although the ranges have had snow before). +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Nick Sykes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:32:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com goto here to get gmsd http://members.xoom.com/nsykes/gmsd.jpg Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Sykes" To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier > Yep Laurier the Navy sat pic site is as slow as a dog this morning, taking > me 25min to download the pic with cable > > Looks like a nice cold outbreak in the wings for SE Australia. The latest > sat pics show a nice pool of cold air off SE SA and SW Vic. Some nice Cu > going up here in Melbourne, looks like an interesting afternoon. > > Those having trouble accessing the navy sat pic I will put a link to it on > my site once i have it downloaded. > > go to > > http://seaustraliasatpics.virtualave.net/ > > oh, gusty shower here now > > Nick from Melbourne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurier Williams" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 11:31 AM > Subject: aus-wx: NPMOC slow? Cold over Mt Gambier > > > > I'm finding all NPMOC satpix very slow this morning. Is it my ISP or > > is anyone else having this problem? > > > > The uppers for Mt Gambier this morning are cold -- -13 at 700 and -30 > > at 500. I notice the SkewT's on the new Bureau site are available much > > earlier than the Wyoming ones. Presumably the Bureau ones are being > > done as soon as the data comes in from the airports, while the Wyoming > > ones have to wait for the scheduled broadcast over the GTS, which is, > > I think, at 11.30am/pm EST. The Bureau ones were already there at > > 11.10am and may have been earlier. > > > > Laurier > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:58:02 +1000 (EST) From: Geoffrey Thurtell Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold morning To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Jimmy is referring to my observations on this event from where I was working at the time (Villawood). My desk was facing a whole south-facing wall of glass in the lab I was working in. I was sitting down writing up some work and not really taking much notice of the heavy rain beating against the glass as the cold front passed through. Suddenly, all went quiet so I looked up and saw what definitely looked like snow flakes falling. I was known to frequent the slopes in the Snowy's at that time, so I was aware of what snow looks like! The flurry only lasted a short time, less than a minute, before rain started falling again. In that short time, I did notice that the flakes were not sticking to the glass so I equated it to the fact that you know when you are driving in snow and not sleet by the fact that you don't need to use the windscreen wipers very often once you have "dry" snow falling. My boss (who had not seen snow before) came running into the lab and said "Did I just see snow then??". Without really thinking about it I said yes, as I had already made up my mind that it was snow. I was a little amazed at seeing it, as Villawood is at a low elevation (~30 metres?). The next day, the man in the garage down the street asked me if I saw the snow and other people from different suburbs commented on seeing snow falling. The anecdotal evidence is strongly in favour of snow actually falling in that event. >From what I saw on that day, it is plausible that at the higher elevations on the North Shore, some snow showers would have fallen. What is even stronger in my memory is the flood event two weeks later. Now that was another thing altogether...! Geoff Thurtell --- Jimmy Deguara wrote: > Hi everyone, > Geoff Thurtell > has more to say on this > subject as to what he observed over the SW suburbs. > > I know for a fact that the lower Blue Mountains and > parts of Wollongong > also observed snow during this event as mentioned in > recent e-mails. > > Jimmy Deguara > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------- > Jimmy Deguara > from Schofields, Sydney > President of Australian Severe Weather Association > Inc. (ASWA) > http://severeweather.asn.au > e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au > homepage with Michael Bath > note new URL > http://australiasevereweather.com/ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather > your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________________ http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Australia & NZ Movies - Find out what's on at the local cinema with Yahoo! Movies +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Patrick Tobin" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:24:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Laurier, I have also noticed a recent absence in the BoM's ACT forecasts to refer to a specific snow level. Although they are chancing their hand for tomorrow by suggesting snow is possible in Canberra (at a known elevation of ~600m or 576m at lake level). Extract from tomorrow's forecast below: Patrick A.C.T. FORECAST: For tonight and Monday Cold and cloudy with a few showers developing, falling as snow on nearby ranges, and the city at times. Cold and showery conditions should continue tomorrow. Moderate to fresh and gusty northwest to west winds, tending west to southwesterly tomorrow. Forecast Temperatures: Monday Min: 1 Max: 7 UV Index: 2 [Moderate] Headline : Showers/snow Probability of rain: 60% -----Original Message----- From: Laurier Williams To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Sunday, 4 June 2000 12:52 Subject: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts >The Vic BoM forecasts have snow down to 600m. Tassie is going for >700m. The NSW BoM forecasts have "snow on higher ground", a cop-out >terminology that was used throughout last week's episode, despite >widespread snow to lower levels along the tablelands and SW Slopes. >What is "higher ground"? > >NSW RFC always gave estimates of snow level up to last winter, so the >new terminology appears to be a deliberate policy of fuzzying the >information when the decisions are difficult on the part of the NSW >RFC. > >Laurier > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:13:07 -0700 From: Lindsay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Glad to hear someone mention it who knows a lot more than I do. I was wondering about the "snow on higher ground" too. Is it something that has been designated for the Central Tablelands and further north? Lindsay Pearce Laurier Williams wrote: > > The Vic BoM forecasts have snow down to 600m. Tassie is going for > 700m. The NSW BoM forecasts have "snow on higher ground", a cop-out > terminology that was used throughout last week's episode, despite > widespread snow to lower levels along the tablelands and SW Slopes. > What is "higher ground"? > > NSW RFC always gave estimates of snow level up to last winter, so the > new terminology appears to be a deliberate policy of fuzzying the > information when the decisions are difficult on the part of the NSW > RFC. > > Laurier > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Greg Curtis" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:48:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Spierings To: Sent: 04 June, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? > > (snip) That new Brisbane BOM site is in Raymond Park Kangaroo Point see: http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/qld/000410.shtml which by the map looks to run between Baines and Sinclair Streets Kangaroo Point. Regards Greg Curtis Brisbane > > I must have missed the memorandum, where again is the new site located? > > I think that the two Brisbane sites are also causing inconsistency in > reporting by the local media. I keep hearing a forecast/recorded minimum on > one TV/radio station (take your pick) only to hear another forecast/recorded > minimum on another not 30 minutes later! Comments. > > > Regards, > > Anthony Spierings > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: alex coates To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" X-Originating-IP: [150.101.30.4] Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 17:04:31 +1000 X-mailer: AspMail 2.62 (SMTP85107B) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, At Paralowie, 20kms north of Adelaide, i have had very heravy rain go through between 5am and 8am this morning bringing 12mm and heavy showers every hour or so all day including some hail(7mm) and sleet. My Station is at 12 metres. Alex in Adelaide. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own free web email at http://www.looksmart.com.au LookSmart Australia +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: astroman at mail.chariot.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:47:50 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Andrew Wall Subject: aus-wx: Re: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Alex, I am also in Paralowie, I was observing the weather from St Kilda at the time of my last post. Was very wet and cold there too :) At 05:04 PM 6/4/00 +1000, you wrote: >Hi All, At Paralowie, 20kms north of Adelaide, i have had very heravy >rain go through between 5am and 8am this morning bringing 12mm and >heavy showers every hour or so all day including some hail(7mm) and >sleet. My Station is at 12 metres. >Alex in Adelaide. > >__________________________________________________________________ >Get your own free web email at http://www.looksmart.com.au >LookSmart Australia > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:22:22 +1000 From: Tony Rance X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Snow in Blue Mountains Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Sunday 28th May I experienced 6 - 8 centimetres of snow in Katoomba NSW. I would be interested in hearing other peoples experiences who live in the Central West / Blue Mountains Regions Damian +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:09:15 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ahhhmmm.. And the fact that the two sites now report different readings probably justifies the concern would you not say? >snip ... The best thing that could happen, is that the two be given completely different names as to try and eliminate ambiguity - but which station is the "proper" one? To my knowledge, the Brisbane AP still remains as the official recording site of Brisbane - but the Brisbane CBD one is just so people will stop complaining that the temperatures at the AP are not representative of the "actual" temperature in the suburbs. ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: New BOM BNE Site: Was- Cold snap moves on?? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:13:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi again, Methinks the river and location may have something to do with this. It sounds like it may parallel the location at Observatory Hill in Sydney, which, I recall reading somehere, has yet to record a frost. >snip... Well, we'll find out if the first is true when summer comes, but it certainly doesn't seem to be true for winter mins! The first thought that came into my mind was thinking back to micro-climates (eg, New York 'heat island effect.') But I wouldn't have thought that Brisbane was large enough to create that! But Kangaroo Point is surrounded by highrises apartment buildings that overlook the CBD onto the river. My guess is probably that the temperatures are probably moderated from the Brisbane River - but that will depend on how close it is the river. ... +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean Sgarbossa" To: Subject: aus-wx: Fish Rain Supreme Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:50:49 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hello all, despite all the "freak weather" we have been witnessing, it appears we are not the only ones in the world. Take for example below, an article from the Melbourne Herald Sun (Saturday June 3, 2000):
 
"ADDIS ABABA-Drought-stricken peasant farmers tending their fields in southern Ethiopia got a nasty shock when the heavens opened and they were pelted by thousands of fish.
    The unusual downpour of dead and live fish created panic among the mostly religious farmers.
    Saloto Sodoro, a fish expert in the region, attributes the phenomenon to heavy storms in the Indian Ocean, which swept up the fish before shedding them on the unsuspecting farmers.
    Southern Ethiopia has been in drought for two years. Aid officials say the drought threatens the lives of up to eight million people."
 
    It appears that Ethiopia experienced quit a nice waterspout or tornado. Hopefully someone actually caught a pic or footage if we are lucky.
 
                        Dean Antonio Sgarbossa
From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fish Rain Supreme Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 10:01:48 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:50 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Fish Rain Supreme

Hello all, despite all the "freak weather" we have been witnessing, it appears we are not the only ones in the world. Take for example below, an article from the Melbourne Herald Sun (Saturday June 3, 2000):
 
"ADDIS ABABA-Drought-stricken peasant farmers tending their fields in southern Ethiopia got a nasty shock when the heavens opened and they were pelted by thousands of fish.
    The unusual downpour of dead and live fish created panic among the mostly religious farmers.
    Saloto Sodoro, a fish expert in the region, attributes the phenomenon to heavy storms in the Indian Ocean
 
There's been a waterspout somewhere - but the distance between the Indian Ocean and Ethiopia is quite substantial - must have been a more local event.
 
Les
From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold morning Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:36:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com If snow fell in Wollongong during this event I missed it and I was outside observing every last drop of cold rain as the temperature which had been 17C earlier in day had plummeted to 4C, this is about as cold as it gets here even on cold clear nights ( like last night ), let alone mid afternoon. There was no snow in the rain I saw. I drove to Robertson and snow was on the side of the road from about half way up Macquarie Pass, at about 400m, so flurries would have went lower. There was snow reported from the F6 tollway booths at Waterfall and by motorists along various parts of the F6, but we are talking 250 -400m elevation. Other reports in the area was snow at Mount Keira, again 450m odd high and at Yellow Rock a small village near Macquarie Pass, but again at least 200m elevation. Michael > > > > I know for a fact that the lower Blue Mountains and > > parts of Wollongong > > also observed snow during this event as mentioned in > > recent e-mails. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:18:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com On Friday the VIC forecast for NE Victoria on Sunday was snow to low levels, whilst the NSW forecast for Southern Tablelands was snow on the higher peaks. But to jump to the BOM's defence the southern tablelands is a very large geographic area, perhaps I would be better to divide the forecast into south of Canberra, and north of Canberra. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurier Williams To: Sent: Sunday, 4 June 2000 12:50 Subject: aus-wx: Fuzzy forecasts > The Vic BoM forecasts have snow down to 600m. Tassie is going for > 700m. The NSW BoM forecasts have "snow on higher ground", a cop-out > terminology that was used throughout last week's episode, despite > widespread snow to lower levels along the tablelands and SW Slopes. > What is "higher ground"? > > NSW RFC always gave estimates of snow level up to last winter, so the > new terminology appears to be a deliberate policy of fuzzying the > information when the decisions are difficult on the part of the NSW > RFC. > > Laurier > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 21:03:43 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cold snap moves on?? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Leslie and John, I'll reply to both emails here. Firstly, Leslie's. "Leslie R. Lemon" wrote: Interestingly, I've heard a few people say that this storm season has a bit of a flop in the US. Are these people being sourpusses or is their some truth to their claim? I do not recall seeing as much US tornado footage on AU TV this year then in previous years - although there was some nice footage of some tornadoes to the north of the plains. What strikes me as interesting, are a few 'sayings' that relate winter and summer, as well as Australia and the US. For example: - A cold winter means an active thunderstorm season - A warm winter means a poor thunerstorm season - A good US season means a poor AU season - A poor US season means a good AU season Only thing is, aside from May 3 - I wouldn't have called 1999 "exceptional" - but perhaps I'm wrong? What are your thoughts Leslie? I know they're generalisations - but cold winters and active thunderstorm seasons do seem to have some truth to them here. But perhaps leaning more towards the synopic situations that result in them - and certainly not just because it was "cold." I'm not a huge fan on the explanation of colder upper levels - as this can change in a matter of 24hrs with thermal advection. Perhaps the US and AU correlations are just a matter of co-incidence. But I'm just interested in your thoughts. In regards to John's email - the front yard is quite well vegetated, but the back yard isn't quite as vegetated. No doubt there, where it is is quite sheltered, and can get some warmth from the house. Thanks for pointing that out though! -- Anthony Cornelius Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 14 Kinsella St Belmont, Brisbane QLD, 4153 Please report severe thunderstorms on our Queensland severe thunderstorm reporting line on (07) 3390 4218 or by going to our homepage at http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: aus-wx: Ski Weekend Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:33:33 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hey all,
 
After hearing on Wednesday last week that Hotham and Falls were offering FREE lift passes, I organised a trip to the snow with a friend from work.  We had all the plans made by Thursday and we left after work on Friday afternoon for Mt Hotham in her dad's Toyota Prado (awesome car) and it was a great trip up with hardly any ice on the road at all but snow still sitting on the ground at about 500m still from the prior week's cold blast.  We got to the top and had plenty of snow and we were looking forward to a great day of skiing the next day.  Unfortunately we were the first people in the lodge so we had to dig out the 80cm drift blocking the door before we could go in.  And as we were the first people in there we had to light the heating system - and yep - we couldn't light it...we were in for a cold night - all the taps and toliets were frozen from the -7C temps from the previous few nights.  Thankfully other people turned up and together we lit the pilot and the heating was on by 1am.  It was still below 10C when we got up Saturday morning at 9am.  We skiied on some awesome but somewhat crowded fresh snow adn had a wonderful day just fooling around.  As the day went on we watched a cloud bank slowly spill over the ranges below us as it advanced towards us.  By 5pm the cloud was encircling the mountain - it was great to watch - it was like a sea of cloud filling the valleys and slowly rising up the sides of the higher peaks.  By 7pm it was fully cloudy and visiblity was very low and the wind was up to about 25-30knts.  After quite a few drinks at the lodge and a few more at the pub we did a quick temperature check and worked out the temperature with wind chill factor applied to be about -20C (a lot chilly - not a little....)  This morning saw total white-out conditions on the slopes so we decided to bail and head back early this afternoon.  It was snowing heavily when we left with snow falling down to about 1000m.  It was a very slippery drive down the mountain even in the 4WD and at one stage we lost control for a few seconds but some great driving by my skiing partner, Liz, and some encouragement from me we were back on the road and heading down again.  Harrietville and Bright were fairly sodden with heavyish rain falling (and looked to have been falling for a while) but once we had cleared the ranges the sky opened up to display some awesome cold air CB's with great structure - text book with flanking line, overshoot and anvil.  The drive down the Hume Hwy was great for viewing the storms and some took on a pretty severe look as they marched across the plains.  One storm was awesome with a long flanking line curving into the core with a spectacular lowering  which persisted for well over 20 mins.  I really wish I had taken my camera but it was still awesome to watch as we treked home along the highway.  All in all a great weekend and its good to see some more snow falling - preparing the slopes for a BIG opening weekend.
 
Macca
X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 00:08:34 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Cyclonic weather Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello you all from New Zealand where the weather is finally becoming interesting after months of REALLY BORING WEATHER 522 lightning strikes is not bad for a Wellington automatic weather station over the last 36 hous John Gaul New Zealand Thunderstorm Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 22:16:24 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: good weather learning link Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone, In searching for stuff over the net, I cam across this link. I think those who are not sure about certain parts of meteorology will find the way this material is presented very helpful and easy to understand. http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/ugrads/classes/win99/win99_3/screens.html Cold night ahead but I would say it won't be as cold as Sunday morning's -3C tomorrow morning. Jimmy Deguara ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Jimmy Deguara from Schofields, Sydney President of Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. (ASWA) http://severeweather.asn.au e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au homepage with Michael Bath note new URL http://australiasevereweather.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Jason Smith To: "'Australian Weather Mailing List'" Subject: aus-wx: Kangeroo Pt Temps Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 22:50:47 +1000 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id IAA01726 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I know when I used to ride to rockcliming at KP in the winter, the temp increased by maybe 4-6 degrees as soon as you drop down to the river. It went from bloody cold (on a pushie) to a reasonably pleasant temp. The difference was more pronounced the colder and stiller the night was. Although the new station is back a bit from the river, it surrounds it on 3 sides. You'd think the BOM would have tested the site and realised how dodgy it is. Using the temps from Archerfield might have been a better idea. Roll on summer Pommy +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: good weather learning link Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:41:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jimmy, everyone.. I searched the net for pages like this myself last year - and was surprised at how many universities provide online course material.. i bookmarked all the good ones, and i'm in the process of linking to these kinds of sites from the weather education links section of BSCH.. http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/weathereducation/educationslinks.htm For anyone who is new to the weather thing, these pages will be a HUGE help.. not all of them are as well layed out/as easy to understand as the one jimmy as posted, but there is something there for people at all different stages of learning.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 10:16 PM Subject: aus-wx: good weather learning link > Hi everyone, > > In searching for stuff over the net, I cam across this link. I think those > who are not sure about certain parts of meteorology will find the way this > material is presented very helpful and easy to understand. > > http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/ugrads/classes/win99/win99_3/screens.html > > Cold night ahead but I would say it won't be as cold as Sunday > morning's -3C tomorrow morning. > > Jimmy Deguara > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------------- > Jimmy Deguara > from Schofields, Sydney > President of Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. (ASWA) > http://severeweather.asn.au > e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au > homepage with Michael Bath > note new URL > http://australiasevereweather.com/ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------