From: "Lyle Pakula" <remote at leski.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:09:27 +1000
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Hi Leslie,

Oh for sure snow impedes visability. In my expereince, I would say that a
similar precipitation rate in snow will impede visablitiy less than if it
were rain/hail. I have to say I have never heard the term 'thundersnow' but
beleive I have experienced it. Last year in New Zealand, rates of 10cm/hr
was continous for about 10 hours - biggest dump in 25 years they said, looks
like the freak storms follow a Westerly Pattern ;) Though, what I noticed
with that event was the size of the flakes - HUGE! I have photo's of this
and you can clearly see the flakes as well as all the people in the town
having the biggest snowball fight in 25 years!

I just spoke to a friend from Colorado who also agreed that he had never
experienced serious visability reduction in high rate snow falls with little
wind. I guess this is the big point, when there's wind, all hell brakes
loose and you just hope you live !

Regardless of all this, you explination of the electrical reflectivity
outweighs all this nonsense observations!

Cheers, Lyle.


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> Lyle wrote:
>
> > on simply observations of snow I have seen through the years. Even the
> > heaviest snow fall does not impede visibility like a rain/hail storm -
> hence
> > I assumed the radar would 'see' less.
>
> This is a very interesting statement.  Snowfall intensity is typically
> gauged by the amount of visibility *reduction* caused by the snow!   For
> example, snowfall here in the US that permits surface visibilities of
> greater than or equal to ~ 3/4 of a mile is noted as "light snow".  When
> visibility drops to ~1/2 mile in snow, the snow is moderate and will often
> amount to a snowfall rate of 1" (2.5 cm) per hour.  When visibility is
less
> than about 3/8 of a mile the snow is said to be heavy and snowfall rates
> are often > ~ 1 1/2 " (3.7 cm) per hour.  We sometimes have "thundersnow"
> which can result in visibilities of 0 and snowfall rates up to 4" (10 cm)
> per hour or even more!!  I have personally seen this and it is an awesome
> experience for snow lovers like me!!  One difficulty in estimating
snowfall
> intensity by visibility is that almost always when snow fall is still
light
> (~ 1/4" to 1/2" per hour) fog is present.  So sometimes it is not clear
how
> much the fog is responsible and how much the snowfall is responsible for
> limiting the surface visibility.
>
> Measurements of accumulated snow is also difficult, especially if there
has
> been any wind which scourers and drifts snow.  Normally, efforts are made
> to limit the wind around an area where they will attempt to average snow
> measurements taken from several different locations.  Finally, some
> rainfall sensors will be heated so as to melt the snow and obtain a liquid
> equivalent of the snow.  Then a liquid to snow accumulation ratio will be
> attempted.  Here it is often said that, on average, 0.1 " of liquid will
> result in 1" of snow.  But, that ratio can vary widely.
>
> Les
>
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That picture works fine for me.
Is this as thick as the cover got? I was out in the same area, to the south
of Oberon, just under a year ago. The queen's birthday long weekend I
think. Everything was all white. The trees where covered in snow, you
couldn't see any bare ground. There was a 15cm+ cover everywhere, including
the road. And drifts of 30-40cm or more with small cornices. It was a
magnificent sight to see.

Ben Munro



At 21:50 28-05-00 +1000, you wrote:
>Excellent video stills. Great snow out that way.
>
>However, if I am imagining correctly, the 42 still is corrupted or something
>
>http://www.geocities.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/DSC00042.JPG
>
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>
>At 21:20 28/05/00 +1000, you wrote:
>>Hi Everyone,
>>
>>Here are a selection of digital camera pics which I took of the snow near 
>>Oberon today.
>>
>><http://www.geocities.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/>http://www.geoci 
>>ties.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/
>>
>>I must say I thoroughly enjoyed the snow as it was some of the best I have 
>>ever seen. The best bit was walking through the pine forest with James 
>>Harris and Matt Smith. It was like we were in another world with 
>>everything covered in a thick mantle of white and the only sound being 
>>that of the snow squeaking as you trod in it and the rustle of the 
>>branches with the wind.
>>
>>By the way when I got back home today at around 2pm there was a blackout 
>>as soon as I walked in the door. The winds were very strong at that time 
>>(around 60kph on my anemometer) and must of brought down a tree somewhere 
>>onto the powerlines. All up the power was off for 2hrs.
>>
>>Matthew Piper
>>
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <remote at leski.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Mt Donna Buang - Rain/Sleet/Snow/Police/Park Rangers/Bogs
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Hi All,

Well, allthough I'm heading off to the deep stuff (well over 1m now in
Alps), I decided to show my girlfriend what snow was, she has never seen it
before. More importantly, I wanted her to see it snowing - a pretty rare
occurrence in oz, even on the high peaks!

We started off late, 3:30pm. My first goal was the Dandenongs but I could
see from the road that the snowline today was definatly above the summit -
no white trees to be seen. I asked a local how deep it was yesterday and
assumed that most of it would be washed away after todays rain. Even if not,
I didn't see the point in playing in snow while it rains.

So now it's 4ish and I check the melways and decide to take some backroads
through Emrald and Gembrook to Warburton. The road did not elevate too much
but there was still some snow on the sides here and there. One very
interesting occurence was an anabatic flow of fog up a gully. This had
clearly been going on all day as the snow on the ground was well preserved
here - still nothing amazing and not snowing.

Reach Warburton with signs reading;

Mt Donna Buang - "Excellent Snow Cover"
Road Open To   - "1st Car Park"

You beauty! Drive on another ~15km to the base of DB. "Road Closed" Trees
down. *shit*. In 2 minutes, 6 or more cars come behind us, u-turn and head
back. Well I hadn't come this far for nothing so when no cars were around, I
belt through the road block and start climbing. Further up, another road
block, this time across the entire road "ROAD CLOSED". Starts raining. Still
not perturbed, on to the grass and continue on up. Em's a bit worreied
until, as always with mountains, we turn a corner onto a south facing slope
and are greeted with a nice 10cm cover - She goes nuts. Snow is very heavy -
it's clearly been raining most of the day here. Keep On driving, now
sleeting/snowing. I go up further untill we are now totally in snow, I'm
guessing at about no more than 5-700m, it's getting dark and cold in the
shadows of all the surroudning hills, hence the snow is comming down here. I
decide to stop and turn around, no point going up further without chains.
BTW: There were some twigs on the road to pass 8-)

Just as we turn arround to get out and have some fun, two cars come down
from the summit direction, Police and Park Ranger. The police let us go but
not the ranger. A nice guy, Told him that we were from Melb and I was
showing Emily snow for the first time (he didn't beleive that). But I said I
had decided to head back because the snow was comming in and I understood
the risks, he agreed. He was even nice enough to let us keep playing a bit
more and wait to escort us down. I asked him about the summit tempts and
coverage, he said there were a lot of trees down and no one had summited
yet, but he had heard reports of -2C/25cm at the summit (1200m+) - Not sure
about that, not really inline with what I was seeing here and with
observations from nearby mountains. There was now a good 15-20cm everywhere,
and that's rain effected.

So we start heading down with the big Pajero headlights behind us when we
pass a 4WD comming up. He must have seen the police and try turn quickly but
got himself stuck in the ditch. Common mistake in snow covered areas, not
realising the snow covered side of the road is really a 30cm pit of snow.
Anyway, the ranger stops to help him out so the next corner, we get out and
continue playing, knowing we have another good 10 minutes before they get
him out.

The day ends with the rain now *pouring* down at the base - it must be
really dumping up there! The drive back home is filled with aqua plaining
and your regular sights of people being bloody idiots in the weather and
nearly killing all that are around them.

A fun day, especially brining a white christmas in May to someone special!

Cheers, Lyle.


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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:40:36 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
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Lyle wrote the following:

> Oh for sure snow impedes visibility. In my experience, I would say that a
> similar precipitation rate in snow will impede visibility less than if it
> were rain/hail. I have to say I have never heard the term 'thundersnow'
but
> believe I have experienced it. Last year in New Zealand, rates of 10
cm/hr

I guess I should have elaborated a bit on thundersnow.  As the name
suggests, it is snow accompanied by thunder and lightning.  This is usually
associated with strong warm air advection.  (As I mentioned sometime ago,
you can have strong warm advection but the temperature does not rise.  That
is because it is associated with upward vertical motion.)  So, the
instability becomes so strong that there is not only slant-wise vertical
motion but convection creating thunderstorms associated with heavy snow. 
The thunder is almost muffled by the snow and when occurring at night, the
lightning flashes seem to be in-cloud.  Visibilities are greatly reduced
even without wind in these cases and is often near 0.  In fact, the ceiling
is 0 and visibility is 0 very often.  Also, in these cases the flakes can
be very large, 1 to 2 cm across.  Radar reflectivity with these very large
flakes (usually wet snow) are very high, as high sometimes as hail storms.

Snow can and does reduce visibilities substantially.  Especially with wind
and with the often accompanying fog.  We have during blizzard conditions
what are known as "white-outs" when, as above, the ceiling and visibility
are both 0 such that all that is visible is white.  White everywhere and
all objects are obscured, even objects a meter or two away.  The very few
times I have seen anything like this, it is like I have died and gone to
heaven......I just love it!  But, for obvious reasons, this situation can
be extremely dangerous.  People become easily disoriented and lose their
way and can become stranded.

Les
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:52:14 +1000
From: Ross Wilson <ross at cww.octec.org.au>
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Hi everyone

Well, it all happened late yesterday, and overnight.
Bathurst and Orange appear to be cut off from the east and west, by
road, after very extensive snowfalls.
Police reported that the Great Western Highway was cut late Sunday in
several places to the east of Bathurst with 100s of vehicles being
turned back to Bathurst overnight.  The highway between Bathurst and
Orange is open with caution, with ice on the road.
Here in Orange most roads to the west are closed, and all local roads
closed.  Many schools are closed today.
Extensive power blackouts occurred last night in and around Orange, with
outages of over 4  hours common.  We were without power from 6.30pm
owing to trees over the lines somewhere.
Received about 2-3 inches yesterday afternoon, with another inch or so
overnight.  Strong W/SW winds overnight, though only light at the
moment.
Temperature at 0730 minus 1C.   More snow forecast for today.  Cloudbase
here about 3500ft.  Barometer has risen to 1012Hpa.  Visibility ok at
about 1/2 km, but probably less at lower altitudes.
A lovely view outside with extensive snow across the valley, and quite
high in drifts.  No traffic on the road except a few 4wds.  The snow by
the way is that lovely powder stuff, that doesn't soak in, but just
clings on the outside.
Sitting tight!!

Ross
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> Normally the polar jet
>remains further south, but has been known to occassionally "join" the
>sub-tropical jet.


That's interesting.  What effects on the ground could/would that have?

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>From Halden Boyd at ABC North Coast:


Motorists are warned to drive with care in the higher
parts of the hinterland on the north coast due to
widespread snowfalls overnight and icy conditions
today.

The road between Walcha and Armidale west of
Kempsey is closed due to 300 millimetres of snow and
black ice has been reported between Bendemere and
Walcha on the Oxley highway.

Police were alerted to icy conditions on the top of the
Moonbi's by truck drivers and say icy winds coupled
with falls of rain may cause ice to form on the road.

Snow has also fallen between Dorrigo-Ebor and
Armidale and north at Gyra, Ben Loman and Glen
Innes.

To the south there have falls in the Barrington Tops
near Gloucester with more falls forecast until
Wednesday, and snow is predicted at Tenterfield
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:30:02 -0700
From: Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
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Monday 9:30 or thereabouts. 3/8 cloud cover with some passing light snow
flurries.

G'day all,

I've been off line for almost 24 hours due to ISP problems, wht a time
to have them for the first time in 3 years, well its rare for my ISP
anyway.

Sheez, what can I say that hasn't been said already?


Snow everywhere here with still quite a few cm's on the ground with no
bare patches.
I was on the phone to Laurier this morning and Jimmy too, feeling a
little left out as my partner was away in Sydney, my ISP was down (so no
interaction with the list) and also the door blew shut when I ducked
outside last night and locked me out for half an hour! Luckily the
neighbours saw me and inivited me in for tea.

I'd have to say one of the best things in this outbreak for me is that
the Sydney guys got to see the snow, some of you for the first time. So
glad I rang you Jimmy and that you got to see it, its a special thing
when it falls like this. It's most gratifying when others can see it
first hand rather than me/Laurier telling you about it for once.

Sorry I missed the guys out Oberon way, we were there early as my
passenger had to be at work by lunchtime or so. We did look for you but
as i don't have a mobile, it was a bit tricky.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce


PS: Want to know the quickest way to make a snowman? Pull a beanie down
over your face and stick your sunnies over the outside of the beanie and
then roll in the snow for a minute or two, works every time :-) But it
frightens the kids.







Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> I've just driven into Blackheath to get a few extra supplies in case
> we're isolated for a while, and the scene in the town is remarkable.
> Only the servo is open (and just about to close when the run of locals
> stocking up finishes). The Great Western Highway has been closed and
> only the occasional local is driving at 20/30km/h around the deserted
> streets, getting home (or getting supplies). With the absence of
> traffic, the highway is now fully covered in snow and becoming
> slippery in spots. Fog is reducing visibility to about 500m -- good,
> because it means there's now good moisture around, therefore more
> snow. The snow is deep enough to create a smooth, white cover over
> everything, and is 6 to 8cm deep on parked cars. There's continuous
> light snow or ice crystals, shimmering in the streetlights, and every
> few minutes a short period of large flakes. The wind has dropped off
> remarkably -- only 5 to 10 knots at most, occasionally getting up to
> 15, so I'm suspicious that something's going on. Why this calm after
> two days of 25 to 40 knot westerlies?
> 
> I drove cautiously to Mt Boyce. There's at least a 5cm snow cover
> there, giving the lie to the AWS rainfall total of 0.0 -- obviously
> doesn't have a rain gauge heater! The 7pm observation there is:
> 
> >63 METAR MTBO Mt Boyce   0528 1900 27014G23KT  M01.2/M01.2   //////  RF00.0/000.0
> 
> So temp and dew point minus 1.2.
> 
> Laurier
> 
> On Sun, 28 May 2000 08:37:57 GMT, wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier
> Williams) wrote:
> 
> >As at 6.30pm. My temp -0.2 but -0.9 at Mt Boyce. Snow began falling at
> >my place in Blackheath (about 1.5km NE of the town) at 14.45,
> >increasing to moderate by 15.15. It stayed moderate through to around
> >16.30, and I had 2.3mm melted snow in the gauge at 17.00. Accumulation
> >began around 16.00, and there's now 5cm on my level "measuring board".
> >Light snow showers continued between 16.30 and 18.00, since when we've
> >had more moderate snow. As Daniel commented, the cloud around 4pm was
> >very heavy -- although over an hour before sunset, it had the feel
> >that the sun had already set. Still fully overcast now, and wind has
> >dropped to around 25km/h and comes in bursts with complete calms in
> >between. The snow is still wet, so that the snowflakes are very large
> >in the heavier falls and are sticking to everything. There's been
> >virtually no snowmelt, except on paths and roadways, so even a modest
> >precipitation total overnight could see some good depths by dawn.
> >
> >The 6pm obs show that Bowral had sleet then snow from 16.30 (6pm temp
> >0.9). Also the AWS's at Orange, Bathurst, Goulburn, Canberra, Cooma
> >and Bombala all cold enough for precip to be snow.
> >
> >Laurier
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:43:05 -0400
From: "Leslie R. Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
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Ross wrote:

> Hi everyone
> 
> Well, it all happened late yesterday, and overnight.
> Bathurst and Orange appear to be cut off from the east and west, by
> road, after very extensive snowfalls.
> Police reported that the Great Western Highway was cut late Sunday in
> several places to the east of Bathurst with 100s of vehicles being
> turned back to Bathurst overnight.  The highway between Bathurst and
> Orange is open with caution, with ice on the road.
> Here in Orange most roads to the west are closed, and all local roads
> closed.  Many schools are closed today.

This is just terrific.....if you get by the power outages and don't have
any accidents.  Sounds like lots of wx excitement.  I am happy for you all!
 I do enjoy the pics and chase accounts.  I hope all drive carefully!

Les
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Leslie R. Lemon <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Aus-wx: Central West NSW isolated!


> Ross wrote:
> 
> > Hi everyone
> > 
> > Well, it all happened late yesterday, and overnight.
> > Bathurst and Orange appear to be cut off from the east and west

Wow - looks like you guys are having some SERIOUS snow!

Happy chasing and be careful with the brakes.

Les (UK)

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: aus-wx: Canberra maximum temperature yesterday
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I'll have much, much more to say on the subject of this cold outbreak
later in the day, but one note to start with; 

Canberra's maximum yesterday was 4.3. This is:

- the lowest on record for May (previously 6.0 in 1949)
- the lowest in any month since 2.8 on June 28, 1966
- the equal eighth-lowest on record for any month

The top 10 is:

2.1	25/6/1949
2.5	19/7/1949
2.8	28/6/1966
3.4	22/7/1943
3.5	7/8/1965
3.6	23/6/1940
3.9	7/7/1964
4.3	19/6/1946
4.3	28/5/2000
4.4	20/7/1951

More to come, including an account of my experiences in Beechworth
yesterday, later.

Blair
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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
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HI,

Yes still having alot of power problems in Orange & Bathurst areas.  Last
night
we took 3500 calls upto 9pm..

When I finally left work I had a listen to Police on scanner. Sounds like
there are alot
of nit wits (police talk) who decided they wanted to disobey the road signs
leaving
Bathurst, which caused eventually 300 cars stuck towards Lithgow..  A
grader was
brought in and was moving snow off the road. Upto 11pm last night still 100
people
were stranded on road between Bathurst and Lithgow.. Accomodation was being
setup for these people by Police and SES in Bathurst..

Areas still affected
Barry, Cargo, Newbridge,
 Blayney, (Isolated)
 Mt David, Issabella, Judds Creek,
Canobalas Rd Orange ( road inpassable out since yesterday afternoon will
get to asap)
Mullian Range Road Orange
Isalated jobs in Orange

Ross, I hope you were not without power for too long.. We had reports of
trees down all around the Orange
area..

Dave

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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:42:10 PDT
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Hi everyone,
           Just wondering if anyone has any information on snow depths in 
Tasmania - say at Ben Lomond?  Would be appreciated.
Cheers,
      Paul.
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 05:02:09 -0700
From: Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
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Monday 12pm

Hi all,

Howling up here, and still barely above zero.

Some light flurries around and there's quite a bit of snow around still
although the wind is eating into it. Our back yard still has an inch or
two as its shaded. Looks like more cloud coming in just now. Bit more
snow as I speak.

Lindsay Pearce

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From: Malcolm Ninnes <NinnesM at franklins.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Maxy boy building snowmen
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Hey all,

Just got a few SMS messages from Max King, he wants everyone to know that
he's stuck in Mudgee and can't get back to Sydney for work due to road
closures from snowfalls (what a good excuse for the boss!).

It's been great reading all the snowfall reports and seeing the pics (even
the ones on tv!) - keep 'em coming :)





Malcolm Ninnes
Unix Systems Admin / Operations Support
National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
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At 06:42 PM 28-05-2000 PDT, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>           Just wondering if anyone has any information on snow depths in 
>Tasmania - say at Ben Lomond?  Would be appreciated.
>Cheers,
>      Paul.

I doubt there would be many people up there to say.

Here in Hobart, it's still snowing on Mt Wellington, but I'd say 25 cm
tops, except in drifts. However, further west, such as in Mt Field, I
wouldn't be surprised if there has been up to 50 cm-1m of snow. We've
missed on the bulk of the cold air so far

Miguel de Salas

 School of Plant Science,
 University of Tasmania,
 PO Box 252-55, Sandy Bay, Hobart
 Tasmania, Australia, 7001.

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Hi all,

I have been looking with interest at a low circulation
apparent on the satellite charts which at 0030z is just
to the SW of Tasmania. It has been moving steadily north
and seems headed for the mainland. It seems to me
that it has the potential to be a re-run of yesterday
- what do others think?

Actually I've noticed the BOM has picked this up on their
ACT forecast for Canberra. The 11.30am issue now suggests
snow is again possible tomorrow in Canberra

A.C.T. FORECAST:  For the rest of today and Tuesday
Cold and windy but mainly fine this afternoon apart
from some snow showers on western ranges. A few showers
are expected tonight and tomorrow with snow on
ranges and possibly in Canberra at times.
Fresh and gusty west to northwest
winds, tending southerly later tomorrow.

Forecast Temperatures:
Tuesday   Min:  -1 Max:  7

At 12 noon on Monday, Canberra still has pathes of snow on the
ground in some of the higher areas. Snow showers seem to be
increasing on the ranges to the west - but the rain shadow
effect is giving Canberra sunny conditions and a
windy 5 degrees. Although a bank of showers with
snow and sleet has now moved off the ranges and is
advancing over the surburbs.

An interesting observation at the moment is that Cooma
(altitude 800m) is on 8 degrees, Goulburn and Canberra
at 600m are on 4 and 5 respectively and even Wagga at
200m is on 6.

I presume that either the air to the NW of Cooma is
much colder or more likely that winds from a westerly
direction are giving Cooma a strong foehn effect which
is being augmented by strong sunshine that the other
centres with a greater westerly exposure would not
be experiencing.

Looking forward to tomorrow's potential show..

Patrick
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From: "Ben Quinn" <bodie at flatrate.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Sunset Pictures
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:46:06 +1000
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Hi Everyone,

I have uploaded a handfull of sunset pictures taken on May 20, and yesterday
May 28.. yesterdays sunset was quite spectacular!!

http://www.bsch.simplenet.com/products/recent-events-gallery/2000/29-05-2000
.html


Bloody cold up here today - temp at Brisbane airport is about 17c at the
moment, but the windchill is about about 11c (i think).. brrrrrrrrrrrrr

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On Sun, 28 May 2000 19:09:22 PDT, "Patrick Tobin"
<pdtobin at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have been looking with interest at a low circulation
>apparent on the satellite charts which at 0030z is just
>to the SW of Tasmania. It has been moving steadily north
>and seems headed for the mainland. It seems to me
>that it has the potential to be a re-run of yesterday
>- what do others think?
>
I heard a NSW RFC spokesman on the ABC on the 10am news say that
another surge of southern air was approaching Victoria and expected to
give NSW a fresh lot of snow on Tuesday. It can be seen very clearly
on any animated IR satpix, with a tongue of cold air, similar to the
one that moved NE across NSW yesterday, only this one is shooting due
north just west of Tassie. This corresponds with all of the computer
guidance, which has a substantial (>60kts) southerly jet developing in
the same location and lasting through to Tuesday night.

All the guidance is for another burst of colder weather to move
northwards through eastern NSW Tues/Wed, but the EC and US progs both
make much more of developments in the Tasman. The US develops a
substantial closed low east of NSW by late Tuesday, whilst the EC has
a sharp surface trough lying NW towards NSW from a parent low well
south of NZ South Island. Both have the effect of turning surface
winds onshore, which, with thicknesses in the low 530s, would be a
most interesting scenario for the coastal side of the ranges. GASP and
the latest (00z) GASP both develop a low in the Tasman, but keep it
too far south to turn the winds onshore until after the thicknesses
have risen. All the progs go for moderation by either 12z Wed or 00z
Thursday, though with low thicknesses (~540) persisting over southern
Qld, where there could be some interesting minima which, sadly for
Blair's record books, will probably occur on 1 June rather than in
May.

Laurier



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On Mon, 29 May 2000 05:02:09 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
wrote:

>Monday 12pm
>
>Hi all,
>
>Howling up here, and still barely above zero.
>
>Some light flurries around and there's quite a bit of snow around still
>although the wind is eating into it. Our back yard still has an inch or
>two as its shaded. Looks like more cloud coming in just now. Bit more
>snow as I speak.
>
There's certainly snow in the air, but I think most of it is being
dislodged from trees. The wet snowfall yesterday plastered every
surface it landed on with several cm of fluffy stuff, and the wind
today is shaking it loose. As it's relatively powdery still, it often
fills the air with snow crystals, and has been coming down for hours.
It gives me a new appreciation of the weight of water (in snow form)
that trees must have to bear in such an event. 

Describing the big 1905 snowfall in the Kanimbla Valley, just west of
the Blue Mountains, Bernard O'Reilly described the eerie sound of
great branches and whole trees splitting and falling in the dead
silence of a calm snowfall. At first he couldn't work out what was
happening, until he realised that the weight of snow accumulating on
the trees was cracking them apart.

Laurier

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: aus-wx: Beechworth: at ground zero of the May 2000 cold outbreak
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As will have been obvious during the last week, I was anticipating
the weekend's cold outbreak as keenly as anyone. Unlike many of you,
I wasn't actively chasing snow on the weekend, being otherwise 
engaged with orienteering competitions in north-eastern Victoria
on Saturday and Sunday, but it found me anyway :-)

Saturday wasn't too bad a day as it turned out. I was organising
Saturday's event and had been very apprehensive midweek about the
likely conditions (we were at an elevation of around 400m on the 
Warby Range west of Wangaratta), but after going through very heavy
rain at times on the way up there (and some brief sleet on the
range itself around 10.30), it stayed dry for most of the day, with
temperatures around 6-7 - not bad running conditions. It was
apparent, however, that the really cold air was yet to arrive...

We stayed in Wangaratta on the Saturday night, with Sunday's competition
near Beechworth. It started raining heavily in Wangaratta at about 
7.30 a.m. on Sunday. With the temperature at 2 degrees (radio station
report) it was obvious that we weren't too far away from the snow
level and that the run would be unpleasant to say the least. 

The road to Beechworth climbs gradually out of the Ovens valley. By
the 250-metre level (Wangaratta is at 150) some snow was becoming 
mixed with the rain hitting the windscreen. By 300 it was all snow, and
by 350 it was starting to settle heavily. Closer to Beechworth (550)
it had begun to settle heavily on the road and the last 5km was hard
going, although I have 4WD and the cover was not yet deep enough to
impede progress - the main hazard was lack of traction.

In Beechworth itself it was snowing heavily with visibility down to 
about 500 metres; by this stage 2WD vehicles were getting stuck 
trying to get up hills. The main street was blocked by stranded cars,
so we took a side street to get into the centre of town, with the
aim of (a) finding a parking spot which didn't involve an uphill
exit and therefore gave us a reasonable chance of being able to move
off again (b) ringing the Victorian Regional Office to tell them 
what was going on and (c) heading for the traditional post-race
gathering place of orienteers when they're in Beechworth, the bakery,
to find out if anyone was there and if so, whether they knew whether 
the event was still on. All of these were accomplished. By this 
stage the snow cover in places where it wasn't being disturbed by
traffic was around the 5cm mark. 

It was clear at this point that the snow wasn't going to stop in a 
hurry and that we would have difficulty getting out if we didn't do
it fast. I also needed to go to the event site; I'd assumed that it
would be off, but had some gear that needed to be dropped off to that
day's organisers, plus it was along the Chiltern road, which loses 
about 200m elevation quickly on leaving Beechworth, and was therefore
the most likely option to get out of heavy snow. 

Somewhat to my surprise, the driving on the way out was universally
sensible, edging along at 20-30 km/h in a convoy of half a dozen cars
or so. At the bottom of the hill it was still snowing just as heavily 
as it had been in Beechworth; so much for that idea. There were a
couple of large branches down across part of the road by now.

The turnoff to the event was at the top of the Pilot Range, probably
about 450 metres. A semi-trailer was stopped, presumably because the
driver wasn't confident of being able to handle the steep descent
ahead. This was also where we were to turn off on a gravel road to
the event site. Some other competitors pulled up behind; they were
in a 2WD and decided not to attempt to go in. We turned into the
forest for the last 1.5k; somewhat to my surprise, the forest road 
(very well-made) was no harder to drive on than the bitumen was.

Rather more to my surprise was the discovery that an event of sorts 
was still going ahead. Having seen what conditions were like in
Beechworth (and as a member of the state association's board, which
means that I'd be one of the ones to get sued if anything happened)
this seemed a distinctly silly decision and I suggested fairly 
strongly to the event organiser that it be called off forthwith.
He agreed. The snow itself, per se, wasn't really the problem - dry
snow is not as slippery to run on as one might expect, and I've run  
in far more severe cold in Canada in winter, but the access road was
becoming a problem and falling trees posed a real danger (as was 
tragically demonstrated elsewhere in Victoria later on in the day).

This done it was time to get out while we still could; a couple of 
trees were already dangling very precariously over the road in (it 
turned out that the police had closed the roads into Beechworth by
this stage). Dropping down towards Chiltern we were out of snow around
the 300-metre level, and the real excitement for the day was over.
The trip back to Melbourne was fairly meteorologically mundane, with
just a few showers (and some good views of snow on the Strathbogie 
Ranges).

It seems that the Beechworth area was the centre of low-elevation
snow activity in this event. Beechworth eventually got 30 centimetres
for the day, one of their two heaviest falls of the last century
(along with July 1966). There was also snow in Bright, Myrtleford,
and Yackandandah (all in the 200-320 metre range). I heard news
reports of snow in the Albury-Wodonga area but don't know if it 
settled.

The cold outbreak as a whole probably ranks just behind that of May
31, 1977 (although it was locally more severe in parts of north-
eastern Victoria and south-eastern NSW) as the most severe in May
in the last 50 years (at least).

Quite a few of my colleagues made trips to places like Lake Mountain
with varying degrees of success; at last report David Jones was
still stuck in Marysville (at least our employer is one that should
have some understanding of being stranded by extreme weather!).

Blair Trewin
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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst - Roads
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Hi all..

Just heard on scanner that all roads from Orange to Lithgow to Syd via
Katoomba only are open.
BX to Oberon is closed, and Bells line Rd is also closed.. .

Weather is getting worst west of Bathurst,  looks like another night of
hundreds of ph calls.

Dave

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Subject: aus-wx: Free Skiing at Mt Hotham/Falls Creek
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Hi All,

Mt Hotham/Falls Creek are opening up the lifts for *free* before the season
starts, due to all the snow they have. From media reports, Falls/Hotham have
received the most snow (1m+), which is consistant with a W-SW outbreak. My
guess is that by tommorow morning, they will have 1.5m+. Thredbo has 80cm,
by reports.

It should be noted that they will probably only being able to open up some
beginner slopes due to the skeleton crew that is up there. Still nice of
them, about time they give something back to us!

We're still all systems go for a tour of Mt Makay and the soroudning Falls
Creek backcountry, should be good. Avalanche danger will be high, although
there is no official Australian organisation to warn of this. Will have to
stay clear of the 30-45deg lee slopes.

Cheers, Lyle.

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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Coldest Day for Bathurst
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HI.

Could anyone pls let me know of the coldest ever day recorded for
Bathurst..

THanks



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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: aus-wx: Low temperatures nationwide
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To show the extent of low temperatures nationwide, out of 600-odd
reporting sites in Australia, only eight reported above-average
maximum temperatures yesterday: seven in far north Queensland
(Horn Island, Coen, Weipa, Cooktown, Cairns, Mareeba and Cardwell),
plus Carnarvon in Western Australia.

Largest positive anomaly was 2.1 degrees at Horn Island (in the 
Torres Strait). At the other end of the scale, there were extensive
areas of >8 below average through the eastern half of Australia,
with anomalies below -10 over much of the ranges from central NSW
southwards (-14 at Tumbarumba).

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coldest Day for Bathurst
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> 
> HI.
> 
> Could anyone pls let me know of the coldest ever day recorded for
> Bathurst..
> 
> THanks
> 

At the current site (the Ag. Research Station, opened 1908) it's 0.0
on July 17, 1932. I imagine the old Bathurst Gaol site must have gone
pretty close to this on the day in July 1900 when they got 50-60 cm
of snow.

The May record is 5.1 on May 31, 1977.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow in Terang, Vic?
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> 
> Hi All.
> 
> Been forwarding many of the aus-wx snow/cold-outbreak emails to my brother
> Phil in Hong Kong who has in interest in these things, and I have pasted a
> reply from him below.
> 
> Does anyone know anything about the 'cold snap' he refers to in 1949 or '50?

There were major cold outbreaks (probably the most notable Victorian
ones of the post-1901 period) in 1949 and 1951, but not 1950 as far
as I know.

Both winters were marked by repeated cold outbreaks; in 1951 snow
settled in the suburbs of Melbourne twice in the space of three weeks
(something that hasn't happened once since, never mind twice in the 
same year), whilst, until the May record was broken yesterday,
Canberra's record lowest maxima for May, June and July were all set
in 1949. The July outbreak was particularly severe (20cm snow in
Canberra) and brought extensive, long-lived snow cover across the
higher ground in Victoria - some areas around Omeo were reportedly 
snowed in for weeks.


> Does anyone know if snow was / is being recorded in Terang, Victoria, in
> the current cold outbreak?

I don't think so but am not 100% certain; it seems to have been just
a little too far east for the really low-level snow. Snow was 
recorded at elevations below 200m in places like Hamilton and 
Casterton on Saturday morning.

Blair Trewin

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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:09:50 +1000
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After a break through the day, light snow falling again now here
(3300ft). Temperature maxed at +1C today ... wind is W at 15/20 kts.

Roads are open east and west, with only local higher altitude roads
still difficult to access.  Deep snow drifts above 900 metres.  

The city of Orange had lots of snow around, though the roads are clear. 
Snowmen by the dozen around town, as many schools did not open today.

The Towac Valley, at the base of Mt Canobolas, where we live, is like
fairyland.  Deep snow right across the valley, and even though cloudbase
has been well down all day, Mt Canobolas is sure to have fairly decent
snowfalls.  The police have closed the mountain road, as too many
inexperienced drivers get into trouble.  Even 4wd driving is difficult
there.

Maybe more snow tonight .... one  thing is for sure, it's going to be
very, very cold!

Dave ... power off until 10.30pm last nite, but many other outlying
areas still without power well into Monday.

Ross
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From: paulmoss at tpgi.com.au
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This is an amazing event.

If the air stays a gentle SE';er tonight , Darwin could be looking at 
breaking its all-time May record for the coldest night - 14 is 
forecast (ouuccch) and the record is 13.8 - if the record is broken, 
surely this could be a 1 - 50yr , maybe 1 - 100yr event?

Another interesting point is that the outbreak has also given the 
monsoon in the Northern half a real kick with another active trough 
just on PNG/Irian Jaya.

Paul in Darwin
(Where it is relatively cool!! )
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU>
Subject: aus-wx: Record low Australian max for May
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A new Australian record for May was set yesterday for the lowest 
daily maximum temperature when Crackenback topped out at -6.0.

This broke the previous record of -5.0 set at Hotham Heights on
24 May, 1968. Mount Hotham (-5.7) and Falls Creek (-5.2) also broke
the previous record.

Obviously, the Crackenback and Mount Hotham obs are new NSW and 
Victorian state records respectively. Mount Lofty (3.5 on Saturday)
also set an SA state record. The Queensland record is 6.9 and could
well come under threat over the next couple of days (9 today at
Stanthorpe), as could the rather modest NT minimum record of -2.7
at Alice Springs.

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From: "McDonald" <mcdonald at one.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey pples...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Back from QLD and I'm heading up Mt Dandenong 
tonight for a snow chase!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; Snow reports today from the higher 
levels in the high buildings in the city centre but falling as rain/sleet in the 
city itself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gotta go - getting bloody cold!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh - Clyve reported a temperature drop from 11C to 
6C in 30 mins with hail and thunder.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi guys and gals

Here is the first installment of my Canberra pix from the 28th of May

http://stoli.one.net.au/~paulrands/photos/weather/


>From the mind of Paul Rands       (E-mail: paulrands at one.net.au - prands at efter-stormen.com - ICQ: 1254371)

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Looking at the last hours radar and a band of rain has moved north from the
Victorian border towards Wagga / Gundagai. This I take a punt at is
associated with the next icey blast.

Could be interesting for Canberra around midnight, especially if conditions
have been clear since sunset, this may allow temps to plummet below zero,
although the AWS reading of 6C at 0900 UTC is not encouraging.

I will keep an eye on the system and may head up to Robertson for an early
morning chase.

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:08:52 -0700
From: Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
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Monday 8pm

Fascinating stuff, its actually gone up here in Blackheath to around 1.5
at least on the three thermometers that I use. It was zero at 5pm.

Looking forward to the next front.

Anybody else having problems getting sat pics? When I download the Npmoc
Gms-5 pic it stops at about 30%. Can't get the full picture, weird.

Anyone got any good links for sat pics?

Lindsay

McDonald wrote:
> 
> Hey pples...
> 
> Back from QLD and I'm heading up Mt Dandenong tonight for a snow
> chase!!!!   Snow reports today from the higher levels in the high
> buildings in the city centre but falling as rain/sleet in the city
> itself.
> 
> Gotta go - getting bloody cold!!!
> 
> Oh - Clyve reported a temperature drop from 11C to 6C in 30 mins with
> hail and thunder.
> 
> Seeyas
> 
> Macca

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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold snap - where to next?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;It seems this current (very) cold snap over 
southeastern Australia is lasting some time. I mean the situation for tomorrow 
looks similar to that of Sunday. What next?. All&nbsp;the models still seem to 
suggest a cold outbreak&nbsp;spreading over NZ (or at least the South Island) by 
late in the week - most suggesting it takes the form of a southwesterly airflow. 
However NZ MetService in its latest long-range outlook isn't predicting anything 
more than a weak 'cool' southerly to follow in the wake of a trough/ low on 
Thursaday/ Friday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;BTW, how low&nbsp;has the snow really fallen 
so far in NSW and Victoria?. The BOM report for recent weather on Sunday 
mentioned snow to near sea-level in eastern Victoria. And what about Tasmania?. 
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getting even more severe wintry weather (eg snow to sea-level) than further 
north, but apparently this hasn't been the case.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ben Tichborne</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:55:13 +1000
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Speaking of altocumulus, I guess most Sydney people noticed the pile of
plate clouds Sunday afternoon? They would have been over Camden or
thereabouts? They didn't last long but I haven't seen them stacked like
that for yonks.Must have been 10000 feet high (ie from their base, not 
above sea level).

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> You would find it almost impossible to break a cold temperature record in
> Sydney with even 1 hour of sunshine in the middle of the day, let alone
> several. Would have been interesting if a altostratus lenticular hung over
> Sydney all day, I though one was developing early this morning. You would
> find that the colder May maximums would have been all associated with
> showery days with the wind parallel to the coast S/SW, on these days snow
> may not of even fallen anywhere in NSW.
> 
> Michael
> 
> > While I think we would all agree that without a doubt this is a pretty
> > remarkable cold outbreak that we are having, my data show it's not
> > necessarily all that unusual. Today's max of 14.6 is only the 8th lowest
> > for May (over 24 years) which represents a  1 in 3.8 year event.
> > But at 5pm it was only 9.6, on an equal par with 31st May 1977.
> > I hate winter as well, because it brings all the respiratory infections
> > etc..
> > Some cracking frosts on the way for inland Sydney, unless that low
> > pressure develops in the northern Tasman at the end of the week, as
> > suggested by GASP...maybe we'll get a rain event? (sorry snow lovers,
> > but we do need some rain here)....
> >
> > Susan Puddifer wrote:
> > >
> > > Just heard on the 6pm news on the radio that temperatures here in Sydney
> > > are down to 10C and expected to drop further.   I've always hated winter
> > > - this isn't helping the cause :)
> > >
> > > Susan
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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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These clouds were also about about noon today SSE of Blaxland.

================================
Daniel Weatherhead
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================================


> Speaking of altocumulus, I guess most Sydney people noticed the pile of
> plate clouds Sunday afternoon? They would have been over Camden or
> thereabouts? They didn't last long but I haven't seen them stacked like
> that for yonks.Must have been 10000 feet high (ie from their base, not
> above sea level).
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > You would find it almost impossible to break a cold temperature record
in
> > Sydney with even 1 hour of sunshine in the middle of the day, let alone
> > several. Would have been interesting if a altostratus lenticular hung
over
> > Sydney all day, I though one was developing early this morning. You
would
> > find that the colder May maximums would have been all associated with
> > showery days with the wind parallel to the coast S/SW, on these days
snow
> > may not of even fallen anywhere in NSW.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > While I think we would all agree that without a doubt this is a pretty
> > > remarkable cold outbreak that we are having, my data show it's not
> > > necessarily all that unusual. Today's max of 14.6 is only the 8th
lowest
> > > for May (over 24 years) which represents a  1 in 3.8 year event.
> > > But at 5pm it was only 9.6, on an equal par with 31st May 1977.
> > > I hate winter as well, because it brings all the respiratory
infections
> > > etc..
> > > Some cracking frosts on the way for inland Sydney, unless that low
> > > pressure develops in the northern Tasman at the end of the week, as
> > > suggested by GASP...maybe we'll get a rain event? (sorry snow lovers,
> > > but we do need some rain here)....
> > >
> > > Susan Puddifer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just heard on the 6pm news on the radio that temperatures here in
Sydney
> > > > are down to 10C and expected to drop further.   I've always hated
winter
> > > > - this isn't helping the cause :)
> > > >
> > > > Susan
> > > >
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 11:27 AM
Subject: Storm Chase pictures from Northumberland


Whilst you guys have been chasing snow in the south, I've been getting
something just as infrequent here in my part of the northern hemi!

Please have a look and drool.

> Some pix of yesterdays action up on website;
>
> www.uksevereweather.org.uk
>
> follow the "Mostly from the UK" link.
>
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From: "Matthew Piper" <mjpiper at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi Ben and All,

The cover didnt get much thicker than what you see in the pics. Id say the
deepest drifts would of been 20cm at a guess with most of the cover being
around 5cm or so. However a few hours after we left the situation would of
rapidly changed with the onset of last nights heavy snow. It was lucky we
left when we did as we could still be out there like all those people who
were stranded between Bathurst and Lithgow.

Matthew Piper

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> That picture works fine for me.
> Is this as thick as the cover got? I was out in the same area, to the
south
> of Oberon, just under a year ago. The queen's birthday long weekend I
> think. Everything was all white. The trees where covered in snow, you
> couldn't see any bare ground. There was a 15cm+ cover everywhere,
including
> the road. And drifts of 30-40cm or more with small cornices. It was a
> magnificent sight to see.
>
> Ben Munro
>
>
>
> At 21:50 28-05-00 +1000, you wrote:
> >Excellent video stills. Great snow out that way.
> >
> >However, if I am imagining correctly, the 42 still is corrupted or
something
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/DSC00042.JPG
> >
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
> >
> >
> >At 21:20 28/05/00 +1000, you wrote:
> >>Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >>Here are a selection of digital camera pics which I took of the snow
near
> >>Oberon today.
> >>
>
>><http://www.geocities.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/>http://www.geoc
i
> >>ties.com/eastcoastlow2000/may28snowchase/
> >>
> >>I must say I thoroughly enjoyed the snow as it was some of the best I
have
> >>ever seen. The best bit was walking through the pine forest with James
> >>Harris and Matt Smith. It was like we were in another world with
> >>everything covered in a thick mantle of white and the only sound being
> >>that of the snow squeaking as you trod in it and the rustle of the
> >>branches with the wind.
> >>
> >>By the way when I got back home today at around 2pm there was a blackout
> >>as soon as I walked in the door. The winds were very strong at that time
> >>(around 60kph on my anemometer) and must of brought down a tree
somewhere
> >>onto the powerlines. All up the power was off for 2hrs.
> >>
> >>Matthew Piper
> >>
> >
>
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Hi all

Just thought I'd mention that at around 21:25 there was a rather large
deluge of hail pellets of about 1-2mm in diameter here at Monash Uni at
Clayton. I went outside and at least 60% of the ground was covered with
the pellets after the 1-2 minute duration. This was accompanied by heavy
rain, at least greater than 20mm/hr and now some 5 minutes later all is
quiet. 

And for Lindsay, check out my website:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/weather.html
which, if you scroll down the main window, you'll find various links
to satellite images which I took from other websites. I find it's
convenient for me, but I'm sure if you look through the links I've
provided, you may/will find better sites.

Ooops, looks like some more hail and heavy rain now.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:45:15 +1000
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Hi all,

Just talked to Andrew Mcdonald on his snow chase - he heard a report of
2.0C and sleet/hail at Sunburry!  (To the NW of Melbourne).  He's now
heading out to Warburton in the hope to see snow.  A near nedless stream
of cold air showers/Cb's moving through off Bass Strait - it stretches
all the way down to NW Tassie!!


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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold Outbreak in the Late eighties?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey&nbsp;Fellow Weatherians, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Prompted by this cold outbreak and reading 
everybody's accounts of it, I have remembered a cold outbreak or something like 
it in the Late eighties between 1986-87 that occurred in Melbourne. I was born 
in Melbourne and lived there for 9 years when moved to Sydney. I 
remember&nbsp;going to school early in the morning getting into the car when it 
began to snow. I lived in Mulgrave then, south east of Melbourne, about a 
kilometre away from Waverley Park. I remember it snowing all day, coming home to 
snow thickly covering everything. My father who lived in Melbourne all his life 
'til we moved here said he could only remember one other day when the snow fell 
and stayed on ground. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway, I was wondering whether anyone had any 
accounts and figures of this day. I am pretty sure it was '87, but it maybe 
could have been '86</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dann</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>================================<BR>Daniel 
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From: "Nick Sykes" <nsykes22 at optushome.com.au>
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Been a wild night in Melbourne so far. Firstly had another front move
through between 6 and 7, very heavy rain, squally winds and hail mixed in.
Now the cold air pool behind the front is moving through, cold air cb's are
popping up in a manner of minutes. 3 hail showers now, the last one produced
very heavy hail. Got a nice cover on the lawn. The hailstones were a good
size for cold air Cb's. Got some pics with an instant camera, no idea if
they will come out. Looking at the sat pic there is cold air pool  to move
through. Wont be surprised to see snow falling to very low levels tonight.

Temp here is 4.9

We keep updated.

Nick from Clayton South

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:53:24 +1000
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Hi all,

Another call from Andrew - hail/sleet where he is at the moment (and I'm
a great messanger, I forget where he is currently located!)  But he said
there's unconfirmed reports of snow at Alfa, which is several km north
of Greensborough in Melbourne.

About 20mins ago it was 4.2C  at  Melbourne AP!!!  But now it's 4.7C!  No
doubt a fun night for the Vic's!
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Dann, I am wondering whether it was the same outbreak we got our snow sleet 
in Sydney  July 1986 I mentioned earlier on the weekend. That was one hell 
of a cold blast. It was on a Friday.

Jimmy Deguara

At 21:51 29/05/00 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey Fellow Weatherians,
>
>Prompted by this cold outbreak and reading everybody's accounts of it, I 
>have remembered a cold outbreak or something like it in the Late eighties 
>between 1986-87 that occurred in Melbourne. I was born in Melbourne and 
>lived there for 9 years when moved to Sydney. I remember going to school 
>early in the morning getting into the car when it began to snow. I lived 
>in Mulgrave then, south east of Melbourne, about a kilometre away from 
>Waverley Park. I remember it snowing all day, coming home to snow thickly 
>covering everything. My father who lived in Melbourne all his life 'til we 
>moved here said he could only remember one other day when the snow fell 
>and stayed on ground.
>
>Anyway, I was wondering whether anyone had any accounts and figures of 
>this day. I am pretty sure it was '87, but it maybe could have been '86
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>Dann
>================================
>Daniel Weatherhead
><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>Sydney Storm Chasers
><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
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From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>At 2200 we have very heavy rainshowers and a 
temp of 5.4 at my place (it was 4 degrees at 1600). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I was up at Mt Ainslie about 30 min ago and the 
rain up there (812m) was still</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>pure liquid (no trace of any sleet on the 
windsreen). The cloud base was just under the summit at around 
800m.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>The radar looks pretty impressive to the west. I 
would have to say that given the intensity of precipitation I wouldn't be 
surprised to hear of another 50cm or more of snow falling tonight at anywhere 
above 1300m. It will be interesting to see how low the snow eventually gets. I 
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On Mon, 29 May 2000 13:08:52 -0700, Lindsay <writer at lisp.com.au>
wrote:
>
>Anyone got any good links for sat pics?
>
Lindsay, from my front page at http://ausweather.simplenet.com select
Current and Recent Weather --> Cloud Images, then try the US Navy
images listed at item 6. I find them best for watching southern ocean
developments, and they have the singular advantage that IR, water
vapour and visible images are all available at the same scale and
projection. They're hourly, with an archive which varies between a day
and a week (it gets cleaned out each Monday morning.) I normally
download them 3-hourly, but during this event I've been getting the IR
and vis pix hourly -- they are excellent for animating using a
graphics viewer.

Laurier

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:14:30 +1000
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Spent a couple of hours on top of Mt Dandenong this evening - sleet,
hail & snow (heavy enough to lie on the ground & cars - until <sigh> we
got thrown off by the Ranger at 10pm...) - a couple of great flashes of
lightning just to the west of the city in the middle of Senior
Forecaster Terry Ryan's discussion on the cold outbreak on 3LO!!!! He
later confirmed that tops of the cells going acrosss the city were only
getting to 16-18,000'.


Sleet & hail has been reported from all over the Melbourne metropolitan
area tonight.....2.2C on the mountain - the carpark isn't as exposed or
as high as Dunn's Hill (which is at One Tree Hill) where the temperature
dropped to 1.4C while I was up there - thanks Anthony, got your
messages.


Jane
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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On Mon, 29 May 2000 20:21:15 +1000, "Michael Thompson"
<michaelt at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Looking at the last hours radar and a band of rain has moved north from the
>Victorian border towards Wagga / Gundagai. This I take a punt at is
>associated with the next icey blast.
>
>Could be interesting for Canberra around midnight, especially if conditions
>have been clear since sunset, this may allow temps to plummet below zero,
>although the AWS reading of 6C at 0900 UTC is not encouraging.
>
Most of the progs have been going for a warming late today before
dropping temps again rapidly, presumably as the new southern pulse
hits. The latest MRF has 500hPa temps of -30 or more over much of NSW
tomorrow. A quick check of a few scattered NSW AWS's indicates a
general rise of 1 to 3 degrees between 5 and 11pm. However, note that
Melbourne Airport was 4.4 with a 25kt SW at 9pm (down 5.5 on its 6pm
temp) and Kilmore Gap 1.7 SW 18. All the western Victorian 9pm winds
have swung to between S and SSW, though the coastal temps are ~7 or 8,
but Lookout Hill (965m, north of Beaufort) is minus 0.9 with S/24kts. 

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Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:42:33 +1000
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I guess your reffering to the lenticular type clouds? Me and James Harris saw them
around 2pm comming down through penrith.. quiet amazing!!
Matt Smith

Keith Barnett wrote:

> Speaking of altocumulus, I guess most Sydney people noticed the pile of
> plate clouds Sunday afternoon? They would have been over Camden or
> thereabouts? They didn't last long but I haven't seen them stacked like
> that for yonks.Must have been 10000 feet high (ie from their base, not
> above sea level).
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > You would find it almost impossible to break a cold temperature record in
> > Sydney with even 1 hour of sunshine in the middle of the day, let alone
> > several. Would have been interesting if a altostratus lenticular hung over
> > Sydney all day, I though one was developing early this morning. You would
> > find that the colder May maximums would have been all associated with
> > showery days with the wind parallel to the coast S/SW, on these days snow
> > may not of even fallen anywhere in NSW.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > > While I think we would all agree that without a doubt this is a pretty
> > > remarkable cold outbreak that we are having, my data show it's not
> > > necessarily all that unusual. Today's max of 14.6 is only the 8th lowest
> > > for May (over 24 years) which represents a  1 in 3.8 year event.
> > > But at 5pm it was only 9.6, on an equal par with 31st May 1977.
> > > I hate winter as well, because it brings all the respiratory infections
> > > etc..
> > > Some cracking frosts on the way for inland Sydney, unless that low
> > > pressure develops in the northern Tasman at the end of the week, as
> > > suggested by GASP...maybe we'll get a rain event? (sorry snow lovers,
> > > but we do need some rain here)....
> > >
> > > Susan Puddifer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just heard on the 6pm news on the radio that temperatures here in Sydney
> > > > are down to 10C and expected to drop further.   I've always hated winter
> > > > - this isn't helping the cause :)
> > > >
> > > > Susan
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On Mon, 29 May 2000 22:44:35 +1200, "Ben Tichborne"
<tich at netaccess.co.nz> wrote:

> BTW, how low has the snow really fallen so far in NSW and Victoria?. The BOM report for recent weather on Sunday mentioned snow to near sea-level in eastern Victoria. 

Ben, Latrobe Valley Airport (elev 55m), just east of Morwell, reported
snow showers at midday Sunday. Also, the Albury/Wodonga newspaper The
Border Mail reckons snow fell in Baraduda, 7km SE of Wodonga at an
elevation of about 160m on Sunday afternoon, and that there was
settling snow in the Yackandandah valley nearby, and not much higher.

>And what about Tasmania?. You'd think from the recent (Today and yesterday) situation maps, they'd be getting even more severe wintry weather (eg snow to sea-level) than further north, but apparently this hasn't been the case.

Most of the cold air has been shooting northwards to the west of
Tassie. Adelaide and western Vic got the first blast on Friday, the
second pulse on Sunday moved NNE of the Tassie west coast, and the
third pulse has moved due N today, again west of Tassie, and appears
to be turning NNE now as it crosses Victoria.

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