From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:09:59 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a small comment, I have frequently heard the explanation re latitude, but so also I have experienced on more than one occasion in wintertime Sydney, classic warm front obs over a 24 hour period followed 24 hours later again by a cold front. None of these events were marked as a warm front on the BoM charts but I at least, am convinced that is indeed what they were. John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar Loop (was: STA out for WA's SW) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:53:24 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Ira, The said Sister & family have now arrived in Brisbane for the quick break from Perth Autumn :), and fortunately brought a super 8 tape of the storm taken with a Sony handicam. The estimation of 3 - 4 cm depth was a little exaggerated, but it did cover the ground. Stone size estimate of 15mm appeared to be good, and some may have been larger. Sister's hubby (another John) said that it was the size of the hail which he thought unusual not the occurrence, as he is used to the pea sized stuff common in winter. Anyway, certainly better hail than anything I have had this summer. (Anthony, you should check it out, might help with the SDS) Regards, John. >snip Subject: RE: aus-wx: Radar Loop (was: STA out for WA's SW) I was lucky enough to see this cell as i was working in Westfield yesterday, you could see the hail coming in with it from a fair way away, good coverage but only small stones, max size was maybe one inch. Also John it was funny to read that your sister said this was unusual for Perth. Most ppl dont take much notice of what happens outside their suburb i spose. My sister lives north of Geraldton where they get good storms regulary and she says the same sort of stuff. Ira Fehlberg +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "John Woodbridge" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: Latest GASP run Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:25:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi All, The latest GASP run has one of the largest High's I have ever seen sitting in the Bight from Wed on next week. It covers all of continental Aust and a 1000K's of ocean on either side as well. Will this really be I wonder? John. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:40:46 -0400 From: "Leslie R. Lemon" Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts To: "INTERNET:aussie-weather at world.std.com" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id LAA17715 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Warm fronts here in the US are very important. Nearly all the US experience them. In fact, just north of the warm front is an ideal place where we see tornadic storms form. In fact, we are finding that warm fronts are usually more important to tornado formation than are cold fronts. This is similar to the UK as the Les C. pointed out. Moreover, we also see the "over-running" rains (and snows) play a very important role in supplying much of the annual precip for much of the central and northern US. The warm front often plays an important role in flooding rains and what we call "Derecho's" or long lived severe squall lines and bow echoes. All these weather events have their origins north of the warm front. One point however, they are not as 'distinct' or sharp a demarcation zone (boundary) in surface parameters.. Fronts are closely associated with long wave troughs in the mid and upper levels of the atmosphere. Often, when the cold front is left in the wake of one "short wave trough", a second short wave trough following behind and following the general flow in the long wave trough will, in two or three days, create another low pressure center along the trailing front. This upper air disturbance creates a surface "wave" (another low pressure center) along this cold (or by now, stationery) front. The portion of the front ahead of this "wave" is the warm front region. It is the area where the once cold front discontinuity moves back northward (in the northern hemisphere, south in the southern hemisphere). As the low pressure center or wave along the front, which is also called an "extra-tropical cyclone", moves by a location, the front will move south ( in the north, north in the south) becoming a cold front once again. Of course, all this is applicable to the extra-tropical "baroclinic" or cold-core disturbance but not to the tropical disturbance. Tropical disturbances are not associated with strong temperature differences in the atmosphere (baroclinic systems) and thus they are not associated with fronts, but rather are "warm-core" disturbances. Les > This warm front "problem" is one I believe southern hemisphere > meteorologists have been grappling with for many years. It is true that warm > fronts are often analysed on surface charts in latitudes 40 deg. plus; but > even these are mostly short lived, insignificant events which seldom persist > for more than 24 hours or so. Rarely does a cold front occlude with them as > often they are analysed in a north-west, south-east orientation from the > cyclonic centre. ************************ Leslie R. Lemon Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist Tel. 816-373-3533, 816-213-3237 E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 17:56:34 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times are always GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Aikman To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 3:50 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts > even these are mostly short lived, insignificant events which seldom persist > for more than 24 hours or so. Rarely does a cold front occlude with them as > often they are analysed in a north-west, south-east orientation from the > cyclonic centre Perhaps not in Vic but a warm front event at 55N can bring all sorts of interesting things with it, things like snow, glazed ice and continuous heavy rain. Also temperatures can rise by 10C or so in the middle of winter! Atlantic warm fronts can survive for a loooong time until the low is absorbed, dissapates or occludes. A classic Atlantic low pressure system (at sea level) has the warm front lying from SE to the centre of the low with winds backing from NW to SW in front of it, veering slowly W (or remaining SW in some cases usually depicted on a chart as straight isobars) during and after it and rapidly veering NW after the cold front. The occlusion starts at the centre and works out to the edge of the low, sometimes the occlusion shows a hook in the centre. Once the occlusion is complete the low generally dissapates and dissapears from the chart. Sometimes a new low pressure system forms further down the cold front and absorbs the old one into its circulation. I don't know much about the upper air dynamics of LP systems but generally the midlevel jet (500mb or so) is above and parallel to the cold front. Clouds associated with these systems go from cirrus through cirrostratus through nimbostratus with a line of scud at the boundary of the warm front, stratus / stratocumulus in the warm sector (or occasionally clear) and nimbostratus (katafront) or cumulonimbus (anafront) with a rapid clearance generally in a straight line at the cold front. Occlusions generally are a mixture of both warm and cold front characteristics ie nimbostratus with embedded cumulonimbus. I've some pix of the interesting part of the sequence on the website. Extra tropical cyclones / hurricanes are shown as small (and very nasty) deep areas of low pressure with no fronts but can become like the classical example as described above. Warm fronts are shown intruding into high pressure areas but the sinking air usually kills them off. Another 0.01$ worth. Les ------------------------------------------------------ Les Crossan Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast http://www.uksevereweather.org.uk Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK http://www.torro.org.uk/ Email: les.crossan at virgin.net ICQ: 17296776 ------------------------------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: report finally up Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:19:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Tony, Excellent report and pictures! I guess sometimes the best weather events happen when you least expect them ----- Original Message ----- From: T Middleton To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:38 PM Subject: aus-wx: report finally up > Well I've finally been able to get the waterspout photos and report up from > April 20. > It can be found at my new URL > http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/bigman/ > > PS.I was never really able to see the top of the cell properly but at > best(and judging by the rest of the weather that morning)it would've been > just a coastal congestus.and it was a rather small one at that. > > LATER..... tm > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: paisley at mail.cobweb.com.au Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:26:10 +0930 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Phil Bagust Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Very interesting discussion! Perhaps someone would like to tell us whether the MSL charts the BoM use internally for analysis are the same ones that are actually released to the public, or are they simplified [ie air mass boundaries that are theoretically 'frontal surfaces' but which do not generate significant 'weather' are left out to make the charts easier to read.] I've certainly seen Aussie MSL charts from books printed in the 1960's that had 'warm fronts' all over them. Phil 'Paisley' Bagust paisley at cobweb.com.au http://www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.29.156.6] From: "T Middleton" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: report finally up Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:14:48 EST Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hey Ben' too true!especially on that day! life is a bit like that too. >From: "Ben Quinn" >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: >Subject: Re: aus-wx: report finally up >Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:19:26 +1000 > >Hi Tony, > >Excellent report and pictures! I guess sometimes the best weather events >happen when you least expect them > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: T Middleton >To: >Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:38 PM >Subject: aus-wx: report finally up > > > > Well I've finally been able to get the waterspout photos and report up >from > > April 20. > > It can be found at my new URL > > http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/bigman/ > > > > PS.I was never really able to see the top of the cell properly but at > > best(and judging by the rest of the weather that morning)it would've >been > > just a coastal congestus.and it was a rather small one at that. > > > > LATER..... tm > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail >to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of >your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:11:22 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: NSW ASWA meeting!!! Thanks Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone and especially those who attended the NSW ASWA meeting. I would like to thank those who attended the meeting at Weather 21. Including Mark Hardy who gave up his time for part of the meeting, we had 20 in attendance. For a first meeting with a structure different to what we have normally followed, it was great success! A special thanks to Daniel Weatherhead for his presentation on photography: I can say that I picked a few more hints in terms of photography of clouds and understanding what the professionals do. Thanks to Mark Hardy for taking us for a tour around the Weather 21 studio: those who had not seen the studio got a chance to see how things are done. As one who had seen the studios, I picked up a few more things that I had not picked up earlier. The meeting was then followed by videos, and some impressive videos in that. The Ulladulla storm proved popular: I believe from the structure indicated on the videos and photos of this storm together with the very large hail that was reported that it was likely one of these storms may have been a supercell. There were more chase videos of past chases including January 19, 2000 and March 5th 2000. We had some memories of the past with a hail event in the Blue Mountains and also the January 1994 disastrous bushfires. And last, if not least, we got to see the movie star - Anthony Cornelius! Yes, there was a video leaked across the border. It was great to see Anthony at his best. I think he was clear and did storm chasing proud. Of course, we won't forget his special powers - say no more. Once again ASWA, your support is appreciated. Of course, I need a kick up the backside for not being on time... Perhaps in future, we will go for the pizzas like we have done in past meetings. On a last note, it has been decided that meetings will occur on the second Saturday of each month. It so happens that the AGM is also going to be on the second Saturday of the month. Thanks. That's all from me. Jimmy Deguara ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Jimmy Deguara from Schofields, Sydney President of Australian Severe Weather Association Inc. (ASWA) http://severeweather.asn.au e-mail: jdeguara at ihug.com.au homepage with Michael Bath note new URL http://australiasevereweather.com/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:07:34 -0700 From: Lindsay Pearce X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win16; I) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Strong Winds Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Strong winds in Upper Blue Mountains. Can't get into the AWS stuff on the ASWA site but its howling up here. Currently 9.5 degrees at 12pm Lindsay Pearce +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: disarm at mail.braenet.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:34:05 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matt Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong Winds Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Lindsay http://www.bom.gov.au/olympic/products/IDN60013.shtml Look at that page for latest obs around sydney, Mount Boyce AWS is also there, currently it shows a Westerly at 48km/h and Wollongong Airport AWS has 56km/h. Also check Lauriers page of noteworthy weather obs for around Australia, http://ausweather.simplenet.com/current_severe.html I havent checked it but it should show some info on wind gusts for your area. Matt Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com http://www.severeweather.asn.au >Strong winds in Upper Blue Mountains. Can't get into the AWS stuff on >the ASWA site but its howling up here. > >Currently 9.5 degrees at 12pm > >Lindsay Pearce > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: cold fronts and warm fronts Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:31:52 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ...and 0.01$ won't go far at EuroDisney from what I have heard, even with the Pacific Peso ( AKA Australian Dollar ) at 58cents US, the US disney is still cheaper for us. Anybody from the USA or UK planning a storm chase trip to Australia, this November looks great, unless of course the aussi dollar recovers. > EuroDisney... > > My 0.01$ worth. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Latest GASP run Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 09:36:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It equates to boring weather so I go for it happening. Unless of course you like frost, or tropical showers along the Queensland coast. It's another of those immutable laws. "Given two sets of models, one shows a high staying well west and a closed low forming over NSW. The other shows the same high moving over central Australia and building to 1040. The latter will always happen " > Hi All, > > The latest GASP run has one of the largest High's I have ever seen > sitting in the Bight from Wed on next week. It covers all of > continental Aust and a 1000K's of ocean on either side as well. > Will this really be I wonder? > > John. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong Winds Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:00:54 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just a gentle breeze to what we can expect in 2-3 months time. The escarpment accelerates those west winds here. Michael > Look at that page for latest obs around sydney, Mount Boyce AWS is also > there, currently it shows a Westerly at 48km/h and Wollongong Airport AWS > has 56km/h. > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: Step Leaders ? From WX-CHASE Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:06:41 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting couple of video stills. My mind is open. > Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:12:35 -0400 > From: Dave Patrick > Subject: Hoping for help and possible analysis. > > HI Everyone > > I am a storm chaser out of Ontario, Canada and have been on the list for > a quite a few years as a lurker but I have some images that I need help > with. After the storms that tore threw Southern Ontario on May 12, > 2000, I am finally getting to the storm footage from last night and got > the shock of my life (and I mean it literally). > > I was out filming last night and have a little description as to what I > saw and heard and then I checked the video out and got the surprise of > my life. > > To the south of Mount Forest, Ontario I pulled over and was watching the > cell that another group was chasing and reporting on. I was driving to > the north when I heard a snap or crackle sound in the truck and then > lightning struck about 500-600 meters (1000-1200 feet) from me. I told > myself that was very close and I will have to check the video on it. I > remember looking out the truck drivers window and noticing that the > window was not open so I figured it was very close if I could hear the > crackle of electricity > > Now I am running Digital 8 video so I got to the section of the tape and > got the surprise of my life. In the first frame, it is just prior. The > second frame is the picture of 2 step leaders. One coming from the > ground in front of the truck and one actually coming from the inside of > my truck and out the window. The next frame has the lightning hitting > ahead of me (instead of me). The last one is the glow from the strike. > > I have submitted links to the photos for you to check out. I need to > know if you know anyone who can analyze the film as I have only seen > this once on video and unsure of my assumptions. > > Frame 1 is just prior. http://www.ontarioweather.com/images/frame11.jpg > Frame 2 is the 2 step > leaders.http://www.ontarioweather.com/images/frame22.jpg > Frame 3 is the actual strike > http://www.ontarioweather.com/images/frame33.jpg > Frame 4 is the glow of the strike. > http://www.ontarioweather.com/images/frame44.jpg > > Now I looked at the angles of the lightning for possible refraction etc > and they do not match up (but I am by no means an expert in video > interpretation. Something I have never thought I would capture on > video. The strike coming from below the camcorder has me really puzzled > as it comes from within the truck. > > I am looking for help in identifying if what I saw was what I am pretty > sure it is or ways I can help to solidify my observations. Also, who can > I send it to for some expert analysis if it has probable cause too. > > Thanks again for the help and I enjoy many of the discussions on this > list. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: disarm at braenet.com.au (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:09:52 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Matthew Smith Subject: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi everyone For those that read the Sunday Telegraph in Sydney, there is an article on somewhat "strange" weather events, such as fish fallling from the sky, turtles falling from the sky in an iceblock and ball lightning and other strange things... page 43 or 47 i think, in the 40's anyway...written by some science guy, worth the read I guess... Matt Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 08:23:01 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times are always GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Smith To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 8:09 AM Subject: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article > Hi everyone > > For those that read the Sunday Telegraph in Sydney, there is an article on > somewhat "strange" weather events "Remarkable Showers", consisting of fish, frogs, sand, hay etc have been recorded since the human race could write. Fairly obvious how they're formed - waterspout sucks up fish, WS collapses, fish fall from sky (: Not too many turtles in these waters though - perhaps they've all been dumped on land by RS in the past More on the TORRO website: http://www.torro.org.uk My .01 Euro worth, a weaker currency than the Pacific Peso Les (UK) ------------------------------------------------------ Les Crossan Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast http://www.uksevereweather.org.uk Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK http://www.torro.org.uk/ Email: les.crossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) ICQ: 17296776 ------------------------------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:49:43 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com This is suppose to be also how many fish of the same species are found in rivers many miles apart, in entirely different drainage systems. Methinks actually that birds may carry fish eggs and chuck them up before they are digested. Michael > > For those that read the Sunday Telegraph in Sydney, there is an article on > > somewhat "strange" weather events > > "Remarkable Showers", consisting of fish, frogs, sand, hay etc have been > recorded since the human race could write. Fairly obvious how they're > formed - waterspout sucks up fish, WS collapses, fish fall from sky (: > > Not too many turtles in these waters though - perhaps they've all been > dumped on land by RS in the past > > More on the TORRO website: http://www.torro.org.uk > > My .01 Euro worth, a weaker currency than the Pacific Peso > > Les (UK) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Les Crossan > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W > UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast > http://www.uksevereweather.org.uk > Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS > http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS > http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ > Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK > Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK > http://www.torro.org.uk/ > Email: les.crossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) > ICQ: 17296776 > ------------------------------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:13:24 +0100 Organization: Cosmic EuroCon - note all times are always GMT X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 10:49 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sunday Tele Article > This is suppose to be also how many fish of the same Don't know about Oz but the European Perch and Pike have sticky eggs and are transported by the feet of birds, I would have thought that tornado transport would be a bit "iffy" (: Les (UK) ------------------------------------------------------ Les Crossan Wallsend, Tyne & Wear, UK 54-59N 01-30W UK Storm Chaser / Severe Weather Enthusiast http://www.uksevereweather.org.uk Melbourne Storm Chasers (MSC) - Victoria, AUS http://www.rubix.net.au/~cadence/ Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) - AUS http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO) - UK Thunderstorm Census Organisation (TCO) - UK http://www.torro.org.uk/ Email: les.NOSPAMcrossan at virgin.net (remove NOSPAM) ICQ: 17296776 ------------------------------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Strong Winds Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 13:29:13 GMT X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id JAA27251 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Lindsay, highest gust reported at Mt Boyce during the day was 53 knots or 98km/h at midday. Currently (11pm) it's a mere 31km/h average, gusting to 52, temp 4.8. The electric blanket, turned to high, awaits. Laurier On Sun, 14 May 2000 13:34:05 +1000, Matt Smith wrote: >Hi Lindsay > >http://www.bom.gov.au/olympic/products/IDN60013.shtml > >Look at that page for latest obs around sydney, Mount Boyce AWS is also >there, currently it shows a Westerly at 48km/h and Wollongong Airport AWS >has 56km/h. > >Also check Lauriers page of noteworthy weather obs for around Australia, >http://ausweather.simplenet.com/current_severe.html > >I havent checked it but it should show some info on wind gusts for your area. > >Matt Smith >http://www.sydneystormchasers.com >http://www.severeweather.asn.au >>Strong winds in Upper Blue Mountains. Can't get into the AWS stuff on >>the ASWA site but its howling up here. >> >>Currently 9.5 degrees at 12pm >> >>Lindsay Pearce >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------