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001 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Storm Chasing vs Fuel
002 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Storm Chasing vs Fuel
003 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] More...Adelaide...stuff (blocking highs)
004 Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au] Casterton Tornado
005 "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com] Storm Chasing vs Fuel
006 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Nice Mildura Radar
007 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] More Mallee weather...
008 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Mildura radar & duststorms...
009 Pjcorlett at aol.com Casterton Tornado
010 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] Brisbanites Going Storm Chasing
011 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] (no subject)
012 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Grumpy pills...
013 "Manda . M" [manda at tpgi.com.au] I am finally online...again!
014 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Mini Tornado
015 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Northern NSW
016 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] Storm Chasing vs Fuel
017 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] Storm near Lismore
018 Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au] Hey!
019 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] Storm near Lismore
020 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] NSW: Severe Thunderstorms...
021 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] ISP
022 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Northern NSW storms - chase
023 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] (no subject)
024 "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au] NSW: Severe Thunderstorms...
025 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Sydney chase
026 Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au] Sydney chase
027 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney chase
028 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Brisbane-wx
029 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] Mini Tornado
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001
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:09:18 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi all,
> if fuel under these conditions would be in danger of
> spontaneously combusting?
>
>
None if the tank is full, it's the fuel VAPOUR that burns and then the mixture
has to be correct and within quite a narrow range for petroleum vapour. You
can smell petrol long before the fuel:air mixture is in the range of it going
boom..... so as long as your 5 / 10 litre jerrycan has no leaks, your quite
safe.
Consider using a fuelcan with Explosafe filling.
BTW, how much is petrol / litre in $AU?????
Les
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:27:13 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi Les,
Les Crossan wrote:
> BTW, how much is petrol / litre in $AU?????
Fuel has been skyrocketing lately, due to the increased oil prices.
Last night, it was a whopping 69.7c/L!!! A few days ago, it was 72.9c/L
- I think this is the highest I've seen it in Brisbane since the Gulf
War...(don't quote me though). Just 2 months ago, I was filling up at
58.5c/L, and a bit before that, it was 53-56c/L. Apparently though,
Brisbane is the cheapest of the capital cities for fuel...it's more
expensive out in the country though.
How does this compare to UK prices?
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:33:32 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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I'd second that query. I've only lived in Blackheath for three winters
(Many springs/summers during holidays) and it certainly has been mild
this year. So few days that have been really cold.
Lindsay P.
Phil Bagust wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> On the subject of the warm and dry conditions around here. Can anybody
> tell me just how unusual this persistant blocking high situation really is?
> I can remember many times when a blocking high lasted a fortnight, but in
> Adelaide we have had only one decent frontal passage in the last two months
> as a result of this persistant Tasman Sea monster. Any ideas??
>
> Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
> paisley at cobweb.com.au
> www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:14:55 +1100
From: Dean S [deansgar at alphalink.com.au]
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Hey all, Deano here. I've been reading through the Casterton Severe
Thunderstorm report from the Bureau of Meteorology (Melbourne). It
occured on Saturday 1, July, 1989 in a small Victorian town of
Casterton. The report says that a number of tornadoes ripped through the
area categorised between F-2 and F-3. A climatology of severe storms
within 200 kilometres of Casterton reavealed 110 reports of severe
storms, including 23 tornadoes, since 1826 most of them occurring in
November. Just wondering if anyone caught notice of this when it
occured. Who knows, maybe the west of the Melbourne CUB is a hot spot to
check out for chases.
Dean T Sgarbossa
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From: "Dane Newman" [dpn at bigpond.com]
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:21:08 +1000
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Mostly between 70 and 80 cents a litre Les but it can be higher in country
areas, currently in Melbourne it is about 75 cents a litre, at one stage
early this year it was as low as 59 cents a litre in Melbourne. Dane
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From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Chasing vs Fuel
>
>
>Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> if fuel under these conditions would be in danger of
>> spontaneously combusting?
>>
>>
>
>None if the tank is full, it's the fuel VAPOUR that burns and then the
mixture
>has to be correct and within quite a narrow range for petroleum vapour. You
>can smell petrol long before the fuel:air mixture is in the range of it
going
>boom..... so as long as your 5 / 10 litre jerrycan has no leaks, your quite
>safe.
>
>Consider using a fuelcan with Explosafe filling.
>
>BTW, how much is petrol / litre in $AU?????
>
>Les
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice Mildura Radar
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:29:37 EST
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Hi Lindsay,
I lived in Red Cliffs for quite a while...
In 1977 they had a tornadic hailstorm that totally wiped out the grape crop
and smashed thousands of windows and in 1984 or 85 (memory's getting vaguer
as I get older) there was a hailstorm that could be seen from Red Cliffs to
the west...enormous it was...that gave hail the size of oranges to a tiny
grain-growing community called Morkalla.
They do have them, though I agree that I missed the sound of rain! :)
Kevin from wycheproof.
>From: Lindsay
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Nice Mildura Radar
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 07:18:22 -0700
>
>I lived in Mildura in the eighties and I can't remember a decent storm
>in the time (3 years) I was there. Just seeing any rain was exciting,
>still it was in the grip of a decent drought i think.
>
>Lindsay P.
>
>Laurier Williams wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:25:55 +1000, Michael Scollay
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Damn it, either the Mildura Radar's cactus or I wish we had someone
>(me
> > >> would do!!) there! If what's showing is actually happening I would
>have
> > >> expected a warning or something for flash flooding to show up...
> > >
> > >Not just that area. There seems to be something major going on that's
> > >also bringing down microwave radio sites that is stuffing up the
>Telstra
> > >network:-( Outages all over the place.
> > >
> > >My archive reports outages of radar inclusive 0520Z to 0610Z and again
> > >at 0750Z.
> > >
> > >Last image of 0740Z shows a very sus multicell complex with large
> > >areas of +100m/hr due E of Mildura. At 0800Z this reduced a little
> > >to patches of +100mm/hr and large areas of 40-100mm/hr. I wouldn't
> > >be surprised if this turns out to be a supercell supporting naders
> > >as it's beginning to track more independently of the environmental
> > >winds and taking on that classic hooked shape. Any real obs yet?
> > >
> > Around 13.00EST Mildura radar showed a major rainband sweeping across
> > Ouyen, south of Mildura, yet that station only recorded 3mm 9 to 3,
> > with past rain reported. Observations just don't match up with the
> > images -- the only thunderstorm reported in Vic at 3 or 6pm was at
> > Wilsons Prom at 3. The max rain 9 to 3 was 7mm at Portland, and the
> > only sign of any real activity was a heavy showers report, also from
> > Portland. Whilst the area of greatest activity on the radar coincides
> > with a definite lack of weather stations, I'm beginning to agree with
> > the idea that the radar is overestimating precip.
> >
> > --
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From: "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Mallee weather...
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:39:14 EST
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Hi Jimmy,
Hehehehe...funnily enough since they mostly come from farms they all seemed
reasonably interested...
Kevin.
P.S. I taught them some basic meteorology in Year 9 Geog. too...Who
knows...maybe teachers DO make a difference....sigh
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: More Mallee weather...
>Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:34:24 +1000
>
> >>>While in class a student asked me why the low-level scud was coming
>from the east while the mid-level cloud was coming from the NW!!!!
>
>A possible future junior member for ASWA. How keen is this student Kevin??
>
>Jimmy
>
>At 11:33 26/08/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi again,
>>
>>At the moment here in Wycheproof we have moderate to heavy rain but it was
>>much more interesting about 11 a.m. While in class a student asked me why
>>the low-level scud was coming from the east while the mid-level cloud was
>>coming from the NW!!!! Nice shear at least at lower levels!
>>
>>Still dark to the north and NW...bring it on!! Any further reports from
>>mildura?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kevin from the 'radar hole' of Victoria...:((
>>
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Subject: aus-wx: Mildura radar & duststorms...
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:54:55 EST
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Hi every1,
Not that this can possibly explain any recent anomalies...but I'm thinking
that duststorms (a not infrequent event around Mildura) would play merry
hell with radar...
Any thoughts?
Kevin (in the 'hole')
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mildura radar is dodgy
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:17:08 +1000
>
>Hi All,
>
>Mark Dwyer wrote:
>I can't be totally correct about this but i think there is a
> > calibration error on the Mildura radar at the moment that is causing the
>radar
> > to over estimate some what.
>
>Radar's are very sensitive, ideally they need to be re-caliberated under
>each conditions, as attenuation can differ greatly in some areas. Quite
>often, what happens is that the beam shoots too high in the cloud, and
>gets more precip then their actually is (this could be the case, if
>Mildura at the beginning of winter was adjusted to suit high base
>conditions). But, with this system now, I'm assuming that the bases are
>much lower, and thus the beams are effectively shooting too high than
>they should.
>
>There are a variety of other factors that play a part in this, such as
>the presence of mountains etc.
>
>To my knowledge, radars in the US are caliberated each day to suit the
>different conditions. My guess is that Mildura radar is not nearly
>attended to this often.
>
>--
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>(ASWA)
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:12:49 EDT
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Casterton Tornado
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Dean,
As a favour to Ray Kollmorgen of the Bureau, I am currently mapping
their severe storm and tornado occurence data for Victoria in my spare time
(I am a GIS geek by profession). I just had my first good look at the data
last night and there is a very strong hotspot over Melbourne itself, but this
is almost certainly biased by the much larger population density there. The
other striking feature is a band of severe storms and tornadoes north of the
Great Dividing Range. Its a little early to say for sure, but I believe this
is not population controlled.
I am still trying to find the best way to present the data, but when I do I
will be able to do maps for different times of year, or even different values
of the SOI index to see if the spatial distribution of storms changes.
It would be great if we could publish these maps on an ASWA website, but we
would need Ray's permission since it is his data.
Cheers,
Pete.
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:51:10 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
Ben Quinn and I are going down to Beaudesert/Boonah to wait and see if
any thunderstorms develop. We're expecting/hoping that something will
develop in this area, should anything interesting happen on
radar/warnings/tracker please phone us on: 0417 759 304
This is my mum's mobile, so should you get a message service with a
woman's message, then don't worry.
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Subject: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
From: "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au]
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It seems that the term "mini tornado" has officially entered Bureau of
Meteorology terminology if the article in this morning's Australian is
anything to go by. It appears the BoM in WA do refer to mini-tornados as a
separate meteorological phenomena. Apparently AKA Cock-eyed Bobs. Anybody
ever heard this term before? Reading between the lines, it seems that a
mini-tornado is perhaps a Waterspout that has crossed the coast. Whatever
the case, it seems to be a term that is here to stay.
Mark
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Subject: aus-wx: Grumpy pills...
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:28:08 EST
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Hi Mark (et al),
Sorry...but grumpy pills compel me to ask...where do the B0M draw the line
between "Mini-tornadoes" and "real" ones??
i.e. was Freo an F(negative 1) or what?
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Manda . M" [manda at tpgi.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: I am finally online...again!
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:05:46 +1000
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Hello everyone ,
Manda from Bowen here. My puter seemed to have a
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From: "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com]
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Subject: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:25:45 EST
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Hi Mark,
Geez...it seems like being "a bit pregnant" to me...either it is a tornado
or it isn't. What is the BoM's position on what constitutes a
"mini-tornado"? Don't tell me they are gonna call every downburst a
"mini-tornado"??? (NOT that I'm saying that any recent events are either!)
Cock-eyed Bobs is an old term for (what I consider) severe storms, probably
of a tornadic nature...
I can't believe that the BoM is going to give credence to the charade that
Australia doesn't have tornadoes....
(Excuse me...grumpy pills are kicking in...)
Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>Subject: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
>Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:33:59 +1000
>
>It seems that the term "mini tornado" has officially entered Bureau of
>Meteorology terminology if the article in this morning's Australian is
>anything to go by. It appears the BoM in WA do refer to mini-tornados as a
>separate meteorological phenomena. Apparently AKA Cock-eyed Bobs. Anybody
>ever heard this term before? Reading between the lines, it seems that a
>mini-tornado is perhaps a Waterspout that has crossed the coast. Whatever
>the case, it seems to be a term that is here to stay.
>
>Mark
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Northern NSW
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:00:49 +1000
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Hi all,
Michael Bath has just rung with a message for everyone regarding the storms
he's watching from his place at Wollongbar in Northern NSW - in one word
(and considerably louder than this) ****UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!****.
He's armed with camera, video and mobile phone watching a cell move SE
towards him with a brilliant gust front, green tinges (Jimmy!!!) and pretty
electrically active to boot.
If you want to join him or give him updates - ring 0412 145 710
Does this mean the season's started early???
Jane ONeill
ASWA - Victoria
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Chasing vs Fuel
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:10:11 +1000
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From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storm Chasing vs Fuel
> Hi Les,
>
> Les Crossan wrote:
>
> > BTW, how much is petrol / litre in $AU?????
> Fuel has been skyrocketing lately, due to the increased oil prices.
> Last night, it was a whopping 69.7c/L!!! A few days ago, it was 72.9c/L
> - I think this is the highest I've seen it in Brisbane since the Gulf
> War...(don't quote me though). Just 2 months ago, I was filling up at
> 58.5c/L, and a bit before that, it was 53-56c/L. Apparently though,
> Brisbane is the cheapest of the capital cities for fuel...it's more
> expensive out in the country though.
>
> How does this compare to UK prices?
>
Gees, you're lucky Anthony, petrol prices here in Ballina are 81.9 for
leaded, 79.9 for unleaded....wish it was as cheap as Brissy.......
Cheers,
John
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm near Lismore
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:26:01 +1000
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I'll stand corrected about the path of the storm......looks it's heading E
or S/E
See Ya's
John
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:29:17 +1000
From: Andrew Puddifer [andypudd at backmeup.net.au]
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Hey all,
Check out that storm on Grafton radar north of casino!
Woohoo!
Andrew Puddifer
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm near Lismore
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Hi All,
Just looking at the Grafton radar & there's a nice storm to the N/W of
Lismore....nice little patch of red in it too....looks like it's tracking N
or N/E from here.
Something for the guys up north to keep an eye on........
See Ya's
John
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Subject: aus-wx: NSW: Severe Thunderstorms...
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:14:42 PDT
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Hail large enough to damage cars has been reported near Kyogle (not far from
where Michael Bath is now living):
TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1527 on Saturday the 28th of August 1999
This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
Northern Rivers
A thunderstorm near Kyogle is moving southeast at about 30 km/hr expected to
reach Lismore within about 30 minutes. Thunderstorms are forecast within the
advice area from 1525 until 1800.
Some of these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones and very
heavy rainfall.
Hail large enough to damage cars and roofing has been reported from Kyogle.
The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people should:
* put vehicles under cover or cover them with blankets
* move indoors away from windows
During and after storms people should:
* take extreme care when driving
* beware of fallen trees and power lines
* keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away
* shelter in the strongest part of a building [eg. bathroom or basement]
If your house is damaged contact your local State Emergency Service unit,
listed under "S" in the White Pages, for emergency assistance. Don't use the
telephone during storms.
TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: ISP
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:52:36 +1000
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I'm looking for another ISP - cheapish and one one who doesn't charge for
over the top downloads........my bill for 4 months was enough to challenge
the national debt and it isn't even summer yet.
Help!!!
please email me privately if you don't want to clag up the list.
Many thanks,
Jane
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:08:13 +1000
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From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Northern NSW storms - chase
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Yep, nice start to the season. Just back from a 90 minute chase NE of here
(Wollongbar) - only travelled about 40ks to Bexhill and McLEans Ridges and
back.
Small cells got going soon after noon but a lot of other cumulus obscured
the view until a larger cell to the NW (the first one over Kyogle) cleared
the surrounding air showing a nice anvil and boiling congestus on the
approaching SE side. Soon after I decided I should venture out for a better
view, as another cell was devloping on the NE side of the first propagating
the system move towards me - ESE.
I headed NW then waited at McLeans Ridges a short while as the storms moved
in over the ranges. I then headed down the valley to get closer to the
bases but not having a map in my new car (!) I didn't want to venture too
far on unfamiliar roads. So I just waited and took in the view - powerful
CGs and a nice laminar structure was developing. Some small lowerings were
becoming visible to the NW on and off as it approched. The precip
approached fairly quickly from the NW so I headed back up the hill (~4ks)
to watch from our new home site (now about 4pm). In the 5-6 mins it took to
get there, I was amazed at the change in structure of the storm - a
beautiful shelf cloud with two laminar bands had developed, spreading way
out the the East - it must have been 20kms long already. A few CGs and
plenty of rumbles from the whole arc of the shelf cloud were just an
awesome sight. The motion of the scuds feeding into this boundary layer
were incredible - some of the best I've seen in ages. The elevated view
into the valley certainly helped the view as well, as the whole structure
was visible. I stayed for about 15 minutes as it got closer with the precip
curtain getting ominously close. All the time plenty of rumbles and
lightning and the shelf cloud holding its structure very nicely. Plenty of
contrast but fairly low light should result in some nice pics and video. I
left as it got too close and I expected some hail, but the storm changed
somewhat just after I left, taking on a much more disorganised appearance.
Moderate rain and plenty of lightning once I got home and now (5pm).
Very nice, I'll get the pics done ASAP.
cheers, Michael
At 16:00 28/08/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Michael Bath has just rung with a message for everyone regarding the storms
>he's watching from his place at Wollongbar in Northern NSW - in one word
>(and considerably louder than this) ****UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!****.
>
>He's armed with camera, video and mobile phone watching a cell move SE
>towards him with a brilliant gust front, green tinges (Jimmy!!!) and pretty
>electrically active to boot.
>
>If you want to join him or give him updates - ring 0412 145 710
>
>Does this mean the season's started early???
>
>Jane ONeill
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Grumpy pills...
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Kevin
In the Australian article they did draw a line. Mini Tornadoes form in cold
air thunderstorms, mostly winter and seemingly near the coast. (real)
Tornadoes form in hot humid air. They quoted Perth meteorologist Adrian
Redmond.
Ironically, the same article referred to these same storms as mini-cyclones.
Further on, they went on to explain that tornadoes are very different to
cyclones. It would appear we have a very confused journalist or
meteorologist (or both).
MH
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>From: "Kevin Phyland"
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>Subject: aus-wx: Grumpy pills...
>Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 6:28 AM
>
> Hi Mark (et al),
>
> Sorry...but grumpy pills compel me to ask...where do the B0M draw the line
> between "Mini-tornadoes" and "real" ones??
>
> i.e. was Freo an F(negative 1) or what?
>
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>
>
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at optusnet.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: NSW: Severe Thunderstorms...
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 17:59:48 +1000
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Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 4:14 PM
Subject: aus-wx: NSW: Severe Thunderstorms...
> Hail large enough to damage cars has been reported near Kyogle (not far
from
> where Michael Bath is now living):
>
> TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
>
> SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 1527 on Saturday the 28th of August 1999
>
> This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
>
> Northern Rivers
>
> A thunderstorm near Kyogle is moving southeast at about 30 km/hr expected
to
> reach Lismore within about 30 minutes. Thunderstorms are forecast within
the
> advice area from 1525 until 1800.
> Some of these are expected to be severe, bringing large hailstones and
very
> heavy rainfall.
>
> Hail large enough to damage cars and roofing has been reported from
Kyogle.
>
I've had an unconfirmed report of hail at Lismore & as I can't contact my
mate who lives there, is there can anyone verify this???
See Ya's
John
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Hi
Jimmy and myself chased a small cell that went pink on radar around 2pm (i
think!) near Rooty hill, it gave the odd strike and rumble of thunder
before becomming just rain moving south and dying out, cured the SDS for a
couple of days I think though :)
We waited 30 minutes or so for more development, and we headed towards
Richmond as a cell was gathering strength there, but it also died and we
went to Macca's for some food and a chat, certainly not a wasted afternoon,
but nothing compared to what North NSW and QLD have been getting the last 2
days.
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:17:57 +1000
From: Keith Barnett [weather at ozemail.com.au]
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Thunder and lightning occurred this afternoon over Prospect and South
Blacktown and probably further south but I don't know what the radar was
showing. Here at North Seven Hills there was just a little pea-sized
hail mixed with the raindrops that were up to 60mm diameter.And the
princely sum of 0.4mm of rain...
Matt Smith wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Jimmy and myself chased a small cell that went pink on radar around 2pm (i
> think!) near Rooty hill, it gave the odd strike and rumble of thunder
> before becomming just rain moving south and dying out, cured the SDS for a
> couple of days I think though :)
> We waited 30 minutes or so for more development, and we headed towards
> Richmond as a cell was gathering strength there, but it also died and we
> went to Macca's for some food and a chat, certainly not a wasted afternoon,
> but nothing compared to what North NSW and QLD have been getting the last 2
> days.
>
> Matthew Smith
>
> ASWA Committee Member
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:54:31 +1000
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Sunshine all the way here in southern Illawarra this afternoon, although I
must admit that I thought there was the outside chance of a thundery.
Michael
> Thunder and lightning occurred this afternoon over Prospect and South
> Blacktown and probably further south but I don't know what the radar was
> showing. Here at North Seven Hills there was just a little pea-sized
> hail mixed with the raindrops that were up to 60mm diameter.And the
> princely sum of 0.4mm of rain...
>
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Brisbane-wx
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:08:06 +1000
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Hi All,
Lightning to the SW, W, NW & N at Mt. Crosby, frequency approx 1 per 10s,
getting close, closest so far approx 15k's. Lightning Tracker has up to 50
per 5 mins in the SE region. Storm near kyogle has dissipated (ref: NSW
BoM Storm Warning).
Now raining.
Regards,
John.
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:23:32 +1000
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I was under the impression - from a book I read - that a cock-eyed bob was
another tem for a 'willy willy', dust devil or other form of F minus
something tornado...
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Date: Saturday, 28 August 1999 15:36
Subject: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
>Hi Mark,
>
>Geez...it seems like being "a bit pregnant" to me...either it is a tornado
>or it isn't. What is the BoM's position on what constitutes a
>"mini-tornado"? Don't tell me they are gonna call every downburst a
>"mini-tornado"??? (NOT that I'm saying that any recent events are either!)
>
>Cock-eyed Bobs is an old term for (what I consider) severe storms, probably
>of a tornadic nature...
>
>I can't believe that the BoM is going to give credence to the charade that
>Australia doesn't have tornadoes....
>
>(Excuse me...grumpy pills are kicking in...)
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Mark Hardy"
>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>To: Weather Junkies
>>Subject: aus-wx: Mini Tornado
>>Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:33:59 +1000
>>
>>It seems that the term "mini tornado" has officially entered Bureau of
>>Meteorology terminology if the article in this morning's Australian is
>>anything to go by. It appears the BoM in WA do refer to mini-tornados as a
>>separate meteorological phenomena. Apparently AKA Cock-eyed Bobs. Anybody
>>ever heard this term before? Reading between the lines, it seems that a
>>mini-tornado is perhaps a Waterspout that has crossed the coast. Whatever
>>the case, it seems to be a term that is here to stay.
>>
>>Mark
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