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001 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Tasmanian Weather
002 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Northern Oz wx & BoM calendar
003 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] WA floods - what's the story?
004 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Getting "Raw" METAR data
005 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Hail photo courtesy of Geoff
006 Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au] Getting "Raw" METAR data
007 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Getting "Raw" METAR data
008 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au] SDS Induced Chase in Brisbane
009 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] WA floods - what's the story?
010 Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com] SDS Induced Chase in Brisbane
011 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Getting "Raw" METAR data
012 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Getting "Raw" METAR data
013 Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au] SDS Induced Chase in Brisbane
014 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] July 31st ASWA AGM Dinner - Final Call
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:28:31 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Everyone
We have a Gale warning for all coastal waters and a Storm warning for
South West waters. A Cold front is to move across the State today
bringing rain to all areas.
Coastal Weather observations issued by the Bureau of Meteorology,
Hobart at 0300 hours on Monday, 05/07/1999
OBSERVATIONS:
CAPE SORELL WIND NNW 29KT
** WAVERIDER SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT 4.8m
MAXIMUM HEIGHT OVER THE PAST 3 HRS 9.2m
AVERAGE PERIOD 10 s
LOW ROCKY POINT WIND NNW 35KT
MAATSUYKER IS WIND NNW 43KT
CAPE BRUNY WIND WNW 35KT
Chas
Launceston Tasmania
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Northern Oz wx & BoM calendar
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Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 11:23:47 +1000 (EST)
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> Hi everyone,
>
> The strange happenings over the northern parts of Australia continue. The
> cloud band has brought some rain to the Barkly and Katherine regions of the
> NT and small falls in the Kimberley. Temperatures are very low as well, with
> Wyndham only getting to 21C by 3pm - record low max? This event follows some
> very non-seasonal activity over the tropics for the last 5-6 weeks or so,
> with showers and storms further south from the equator than usual during the
> Dry season.
Wyndham's max wasn't a record - they have had 17.9 (in 1968). The
one significant record which was broken was at Victoria River Downs -
where the max was 13 (rounded), 16 below normal and well below the
previous record of 15.6 (13 July 1968). I suspect this may be the lowest
max on record so far north in Australia, but will need to check this.
(As notably low max temps in tropical Australia go, it still has some
way to beat the 14.4 in Boulia in FEBRUARY 1949!).
For the east Kimberley and north-west NT as a whole, I'd rate this
cold event third behind 1968 and 1993 (when Halls Creek had a max of
12).
Blair Trewin
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: WA floods - what's the story?
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Noticed a throwaway line at the end of the news about floods in WA
and some impressive rainfall totals (92mm at Bunbury to 0900 yesterday,
56mm at Rottnest Island in the 6 hours 0900-1500 yesterday), but not
a lot of other news has percolated to the eastern states. Can one
of the WA readers fill us in on what happened?
Blair Trewin
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:59:15 +1000
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Hi all,
I'd like to get a hold of selected site METAR data in a raw
format e.g. just text data with fields separated by space/tab/line
Some sites only have the 5/6 digit code and others the WMO alpha
code.
This will help me avoid having to parse large reports through
many scripts to clean up tabled data into a raw form, for example.
Any help much appreciated.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:13:02 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Hail photo courtesy of Geoff
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Yes I have photos of that as I solo chased it take away 2 days from the URL
below and look at the many photographs I have of that day
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1997/11
10jd01.jpg and so on jd02 jd03 .........more than 10 photos. This was
quite impressive..
Funny you mentioned about the possibility of supercell... Paul Graham
mentioned this when he saw it but it seemed to have a multicellular
structure at the time. I suppose where do you draw the line as this one
moved in a similar direction to the 14th April Supercell and the anvil
faced SE. But did this one move in a direction different to tother storms
that day????? It might have...
Jimmy Deguara
At 05:12 4/07/99 -0700, you wrote:
>--- Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>> I have uploaded several photos onto the internet
>> which will eventually be
>> linked to. One which may be of interest is the hail
>> which occurred on the
>> 12th November 1997. These hail were kept in the
>> freezer until Geoff was
>> able to bring his camera to take the photo.
>
>Hi Jimmy and everyone
>
>A spotter reported 7 cm hail from this storm at Maroota South, and as
>you said 4cm + hail was reported from McGraths Hill all the way to
>Mangrove Mtn on the Central Coast. That's a fair northward hike by the
>storm considering the morning sounding; in fact the 80 knot jet had a
>slight northerly component. I wonder if this may have been a supercell;
>the photos are pretty impressive that's for sure.
>
>Two days earlier I watched a nice looking storm cross the metro area
>from work but flash flooding seemed to have been the only notable
>outcome.
>
>
>David
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:14:02 +0800
From: Greg Spencer [hawk at aisnet.net.au]
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G'day Michael
try this site, near the bottom of the page is a link to display current
METAR's that are updated hourly. They are world wide but unfortuantely not in
any real kind of order, they will need some sorting. I hope this is what you
are looking for
http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml
Regards
Greg Spencer
Michael Scollay wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'd like to get a hold of selected site METAR data in a raw
> format e.g. just text data with fields separated by space/tab/line
> Some sites only have the 5/6 digit code and others the WMO alpha
> code.
>
> This will help me avoid having to parse large reports through
> many scripts to clean up tabled data into a raw form, for example.
>
> Any help much appreciated.
>
> Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:26:55 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Greg Spencer wrote:
>
> G'day Michael
>
> try this site, near the bottom of the page is a link to display
> current METAR's that are updated hourly. They are world wide
> but unfortuantely not in
> any real kind of order, they will need some sorting. I hope
> this is what you are looking for
>
> http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml
Thanks Greg. It's a start for my need to access near-real-time
METAR data that I'll investigate further...In other replies,
I'll address the need for archived data individually.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:52:26 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at flatrate.net.au]
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Hi all,
At around midday, some nice congestus and some TCU had poked up around
the place, I checked the soundings, and many of the indicies were
thunderstorm 'friendly.' After assessing the situation, I decided to
drive to the bayside suburbs, where I had hoped that some thunderies
would form just offshore. Sure enough, they did - one had a VERY nice
beginning anvil and hard updraft, however by the time I could try and
get in a clear position, cloud had blocked my view. This cell quickly
weakened though, but lasted 1.5hrs. Two other Cb's also formed
offshore...and by 3pm, some large Cu (but wintery looking) was building
on the border ranges...I had to go to the shops for a while, but when I
came out, there were 3 visible Cb's, however 2 collapsed within 10mins.
There were also another 2 Cb's offshore.
All up, 8 Cb's - most very low, with the highest only reacing 30,000
feet. However, I was desperate!
Anthony from Brisbane
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 13:59:00 +0800
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From: Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA floods - what's the story?
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At 11:31 5/07/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Noticed a throwaway line at the end of the news about floods in WA
>and some impressive rainfall totals (92mm at Bunbury to 0900 yesterday,
>56mm at Rottnest Island in the 6 hours 0900-1500 yesterday), but not
>a lot of other news has percolated to the eastern states. Can one
>of the WA readers fill us in on what happened?
>
>Blair Trewin
I believe the river in Bussleton was very close to bursting its banks, they
didn't send in an ob at 9am this morning, but it wouldn't suprise me if
they had over 100mm in the 24 hour period.
It started to rain here in Perth from about 11am, and it only stopped for
brief periods for the rest of the day, Perth City got 31mm, Perth Airport
28mm, better totals around the suburbs though with Jandakot receiving 48mm,
and Swanbourne 57mm.
Jacob
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 16:01:20 +1000
From: Ross Portas [rportas at mindless.com]
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There was some nice development down off the Gold Coast this morning, I got a
few snaps and put them on the Daily Pics section of my website
http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/fatcat/440/todayspic/
On the drive home there were TCu popping up all over the place and I was
thinking that it was starting to look interesting :-) However by the time I
got back to Bris, around 2.30, it wasn't looking quite as good.
Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> At around midday, some nice congestus and some TCU had poked up around
> the place, I checked the soundings, and many of the indicies were
> thunderstorm 'friendly.' After assessing the situation, I decided to
> drive to the bayside suburbs, where I had hoped that some thunderies
> would form just offshore. Sure enough, they did - one had a VERY nice
> beginning anvil and hard updraft, however by the time I could try and
> get in a clear position, cloud had blocked my view. This cell quickly
> weakened though, but lasted 1.5hrs. Two other Cb's also formed
> offshore...and by 3pm, some large Cu (but wintery looking) was building
> on the border ranges...I had to go to the shops for a while, but when I
> came out, there were 3 visible Cb's, however 2 collapsed within 10mins.
>
> There were also another 2 Cb's offshore.
>
> All up, 8 Cb's - most very low, with the highest only reacing 30,000
> feet. However, I was desperate!
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:58:10 GMT
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On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:59:15 +1000, Michael Scollay
wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'd like to get a hold of selected site METAR data in a raw
>format e.g. just text data with fields separated by space/tab/line
>Some sites only have the 5/6 digit code and others the WMO alpha
>code.
>
>This will help me avoid having to parse large reports through
>many scripts to clean up tabled data into a raw form, for example.
>
Hi Michael
Unfortunately, I think that what you want is only available from the
Bureau at $100/year. The METARs from NWS that Greg mentioned are fine
as far as they go, but are only available for capital cities and at
most a dozen other sites in Australia.
I would very much like to be able to make data like this available at
a lower cost to ASWA members and other interested parties in a variety
of formats for different purposes. For example, appropriate
reformatted data can be read into programs like Tim Vasquez's Digital
Atmosphere to produce a range of charts on your own computer, from
hourly synoptic analyses to quite complex upper air anals, much
earlier than similar information becomes available elsewhere. It is
possible, for example, to download, ingest and process data so that
you have a detailed hourly synoptic chart by about 20 past the hour --
invaluable for fast-moving situations.
Unfortunately, the Bureau is still sorting out its secondary
distribution policies, and so the cost and conditions on which I could
make data like this available are still up in the air. I'll let the
list know when anything happens in this area, as it will have a major
impact on availability of things like radar and satpix, as well as
observational data.
The following may be helpful.
Truly "raw" metars are in metar code, and are sent by airport wx
stations and AWS's directly to the Melbourne Bureau computers. A
system quaintly titled the "Computer Message Switching System", or
CMSS, is used to disseminate this and all other raw data to Bureau
RFCs and some private individuals. This is the raw data feed that I
get, and the noteworthy synops and metar/specis on my webpage are
drawn from this, after decoding.
The bureau then does some basic processing and reformatting of this
data into two products, each available at $100 a year -- the web site
observations pages, which used to be available using id/password
"test"/"test", and which are pretty useless for serious purposes
because of their format, the indiscriminate mixing of metars and
synops, and the fact they're only available in real time -- i.e. no
archive at all. The second product is available from the bureau's ftp
site, and is formatted in standard comma-delimited files. Files are
prepared every 15 minutes at +8, 23, 38 and 53 minutes from the hour,
and there's a 24-hour rotating archive.
Here's a sample metar header and report:
ID_num, ID_name[6], Date, Time, Lat, Lon, Wdir, Wspd, T_DB, DP, QNH,
RF9am, RF10m, Vis, Wx[80]
94120, "YPDN ", 19990705, 0130, -12.42, 130.88, 100, 10.0, 27.4,
11.3, 1015.4, 0.0, 0.0, -9999, " "
And here's a sample synop header and report:
WMO_id, Name[31], Abbr[6], Date, Time, Lat, Lon, Stn_typ, Stn_ht_m,
Total_cld, Wdir, Wspd_mps, Vis_m, Wx[9], Pw1, Pw2, Msl_P, Stn_P,
P_tend_typ, P_tend_val, Cor_P_tend, T_DB, DP, Low_cld_amt,
Low_cld_typ[4], Cld_base_m, Cld_dir[4], Mid_cld_typ[4], Hi_cld_typ[4],
Rf_int_h6, Rainfall6, Rf_int_h4, Rainfall4, Sea_state[5],
Swl_state[9], Swl_dir[4], Max_T, Min_T, Min_grnd_T
94578, "BRISBANE AERO ", "YBBN ", 19990704, 2300, -27.39,
153.12, 1, 5, 7, 240, 02.6, 15000, "16RIA<5k", 2, 2, 1027.9, 1027.3,
2, +1.2, -0.1, 15.1, 13.5, 7, "Sc ", 600, "SE ", " ", " ",
24, 1.0, -9999, -9999.0, " ", " ", " ", 20.0, 12.0,
9.0
Unfortunately, some useful detail is lost in the present
implementation of this product. E.g. wind gust speed is not included
with metars, though it is sent with every observation, and cloud type
in the synops is reduced from the standard 27 WMO varieties to "Sc",
"Cu", "Cb", etc, which misses useful observations of castellanus, etc.
However, I've taken these matters up with Rodney Davidson who runs
this show in Melbourne, and he's indicated that the changes can be
made in a few months.
In the meantime, if you have a spare $100 and don't mind getting
online for about 10 minutes each day, I think this would be your best
option.
--
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather Links and News
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:11:08 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:59:15 +1000, Michael Scollay
> wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'd like to get a hold of selected site METAR data in a raw
> >format e.g. just text data with fields separated by space/tab/line
> >Some sites only have the 5/6 digit code and others the WMO alpha
> >code.
> >
> >This will help me avoid having to parse large reports through
> >many scripts to clean up tabled data into a raw form, for example.
> >
Laurier Williams wrote on Mon, 05 Jul 1999 06:58:10 GMT:
>
> Hi Michael
>
> Unfortunately, I think that what you want is only available from the
> Bureau at $100/year. The METARs from NWS that Greg mentioned are fine
> as far as they go, but are only available for capital cities and at
> most a dozen other sites in Australia...
>
[snip what follows "an incredible answer"]
Thanks Laurier,
An excellent and extremely useful answer...where there's a
will, there's a way:-)
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 20:17:51 +1000
From: Ben Quinn [bodie at flatrate.net.au]
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
Yeah there was some nice Cb around the place today.. most of them were
anvilless (spelling?) bar one which developed around the Bribie Island
area around 1:30.. and for a short time was quite healthy with a
reasonably thick anvil and fairly hard fresh updrafts on the western
side.. unfortunately it didn't last long, and within 10-15 mins the
anvil became very weak and fiborous.. this was the first 'summer' type
Cb i have seen for months, with all the other Cb's i saw very much soft
winter stuff.. mind you i was stuck inside for most of the day.. I did
however get some pictures of some nice Anvilless Cb to the W and SW just
on sunset..
Ross Portas wrote:
>
> There was some nice development down off the Gold Coast this morning, I got a
> few snaps and put them on the Daily Pics section of my website
>
> http://greenfield.fortunecity.com/fatcat/440/todayspic/
>
> On the drive home there were TCu popping up all over the place and I was
> thinking that it was starting to look interesting :-) However by the time I
> got back to Bris, around 2.30, it wasn't looking quite as good.
>
> Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > At around midday, some nice congestus and some TCU had poked up around
> > the place, I checked the soundings, and many of the indicies were
> > thunderstorm 'friendly.' After assessing the situation, I decided to
> > drive to the bayside suburbs, where I had hoped that some thunderies
> > would form just offshore. Sure enough, they did - one had a VERY nice
> > beginning anvil and hard updraft, however by the time I could try and
> > get in a clear position, cloud had blocked my view. This cell quickly
> > weakened though, but lasted 1.5hrs. Two other Cb's also formed
> > offshore...and by 3pm, some large Cu (but wintery looking) was building
> > on the border ranges...I had to go to the shops for a while, but when I
> > came out, there were 3 visible Cb's, however 2 collapsed within 10mins.
> >
> > There were also another 2 Cb's offshore.
> >
> > All up, 8 Cb's - most very low, with the highest only reacing 30,000
> > feet. However, I was desperate!
> >
> > Anthony from Brisbane
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: July 31st ASWA AGM Dinner - Final Call
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Hi Jimmy here,
We have arranged the following location and details for the NSW ASWA
Annual General Meeting Dinner to be held on the 31st July.
The Encore at Riverside
Cnr Market St and Church St Parramatta
$29.50 per head 5 choice of Entre Main and Dessert.
Includes a video and TV, and overheads plus our own private room which
seats around 20 or so.
We will get this verified but those who will be attending MUST e-mail David
Croan, Darren Heys or myself with a response by this Wednesday 7th July.
Only e-mail any of us if you are going. If you are brining along a partner
or so on, please be sure of the numbers. Those that have e-mailed
previously please do so again so that we can be sure. Those from other
states may want to get verification from those off the list or not on e-mail.
David Croan bustchase at yahoo.com
Darren Heys Darren.Heys at yes.optus.com.au
Jimmy Deguara jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
We will assume otherwise you will not be attending the meeting dinner.
Those that do e-mail should be sure that they are going. No maybe's
thanks. Remember, responses by this Wednesday 7th July.
Thankyou
Jimmy Deguara
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