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001 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Possible tornado in Perth
002 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Cloud prongs, Sandon tornado and Jan 30th chase
003 Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net] Perth Tornado Reporting
004 Max [mnk at zip.com.au] Perth Tornado Reporting
005 wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams) Possible tornado in Perth
006 Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au] Possible tornado in Perth
007 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Possible tornado in Perth
008 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Possible tornado in Perth
009 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] State of Origin Wx
010 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Help
011 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Silent Sentinels...
012 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Silent Sentinels...
013 Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au] Pics of Perth storms
014 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne Vantage Points
015 "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au] Updated Storm Reports
016 "Patrick Tobin" [pdtobin at hotmail.com] Melbourne Vantage Points
017 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Melbourne Vantage Points
018 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Current Obs.
019 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Out of this world weather #2
020 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Possible tornado in Perth
021 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Silent Sentinels...
022 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] State of Origin Wx & Models
023 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] State of Origin Wx & Models
024 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Silent Sentinels...
025 "Rod Aikman" [raikman at hotmail.com] Victorian cold outbreak
026 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Silent Sentinels...
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001
From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:27:51 +1000
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Hi Jacob,
I glued mysef to the evening news on various channels but no luck as to
even a mention here in Brissy. I called my sister who happens to live, you
guessed it, in Westfield (Troon Pl). She said she was out at the time and
was rather surprised when she saw the news footage - it was about 3 streets
away she said. No damage of any kind at her place...
Does anyone have radar loops or other related info of interest?
John.
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Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 1999 17:06
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Subject: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
see if it was a tornado or not.
Jacob
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cloud prongs, Sandon tornado and Jan 30th chase
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:13:47 +1000
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Hi Michael,
Indeed. I have noticed that this type of formation (not an arcus) is quite
common with a severe storm, check out for example:
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/1999/docs/9901-0
2.htm
and always close to the area of maximum impact. Definitely what we may
call a 'suspicious' lowering!
John.
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Something to think about !!
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:27:50 +0100
From: Les Crossan [les.crossan at virgin.net]
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Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> Pardon me for being a grump, but why is it that when ever witnesses
> describe the effects of a storm as tornadic, the media immediatly adopts
> the term "mini tornado"? A tornado is a tornado damn it, and I don't recall
> Dr Fujita including a "mini" rating in his scale!!
>
Perhaps one day a maxi tornado might hit!!
>
> Yep, must be the "ooh, we don't have real tornadoes in Australia" thing
> coming up again and again. Aren't the media supposed to be well informed?
>
> OK, enough digs at the media for me today...
>
It's not just Australia...
>From the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation website, thanks Torro!
*SNIP*
Common Media Howlers!
Here are a few examples of the errors which often appear in print, on
television and / or on radio, which TORRO could have eliminated had we been
consulted before publication or transmission:
Factual Errors. These often centre around British tornadoes being "freak",
rare, etc., or the true frequency and nature of severe weather in the UK is
otherwise dismissed.
Spelling Mistakes. The most common mistakes are 'lightning' being incorrectly
spelt as 'lightening' and 'tornadoes' being incorrectly spelt as
'tornados'. There is no 'e' in 'lightning' and yes, 'tornadoes' really does end
with 'oes'!
Soundtrack & Video Discrepancies. Lightning in the middle-distance (a mile or
more away) is often shown with almost instantaneous thunder,
yet almost instantaneous thunder would only occur if the lightning was
exceedingly close (within a few tens of metres) to the camera. Such a
fundamental error should not occur in a documentary - or there should at least
be some explanitory qualification.
Narration & Video Discrepancies. Narrators have been heard talking about
tornado damage, yet footage of damage caused by non-tornadic
winds was being shown! This is obviously misleading.
*SNIP*
Les
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:37:17 +1000
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Hi people...........
My 1st time replying here, but I felt compelled to add something to Andrews
email.
Why does everything the media gets their grimy hands on here have to be a
"mini" something?
For goodness sake!..A tornado is a damn tornado!.....And don't ya just love the
term "Mini Cyclone"?....hmmmmmmmmmmm
Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> Pardon me for being a grump, but why is it that when ever witnesses
> describe the effects of a storm as tornadic, the media immediatly adopts
> the term "mini tornado"? A tornado is a tornado damn it, and I don't recall
> Dr Fujita including a "mini" rating in his scale!!
>
> Yep, must be the "ooh, we don't have real tornadoes in Australia" thing
> coming up again and again. Aren't the media supposed to be well informed?
>
> OK, enough digs at the media for me today...
>
> Andrew.
>
> --
> Andrew Miskelly
> Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW.
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:40:16 GMT
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 15:06:00 +0800, Jacob wrote:
>
>Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
>Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
>roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
>a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
>see if it was a tornado or not.
>
Whenabouts did this occur, Jacob?
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:06:14 +0800
From: Mark Dwyer [mjd at wantree.com.au]
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Mark Dwyer,
Na it wasn't a mini tornado it was, the down draft from the storm that
was passing over head at the time. Wind speeds were only 85 Km/H it was very
localized tho. The house that was almost destroyed, well it was there going to
have to demolish it anyway. Not able to repair it major damage done to the main
structural areas of the house. Hence it is not safe to live in or work on. The
time of this occurrence was just after 11 am local time ( WST ) 19 th May 1999.
There were numerous areas of yellow on the perth radar from 2 am to
4.30 am local time, This was when I, Michael Fewings, Jacob and Ira went to bed
as we were just to tried to watch it any longer. The town of Lancelin had a
area of pick just to the north of it for a while as shown in the till 9 am
rainfall figures ( 65 mm ). Numerous areas of green were also developing in
these cells swell. Most of it was peaking just as it was about to cross the
coast, but once they crossed the coast they lost there intensity from high
green/ low pink to yellow very quickly.
Most of these cells were developing just to the north west of the city
and within 20 - 40 Km off the coast. This area from Trigg to Mullaloo and on to
OceanReef is were most of the storms that hit Perth in the winter, either
develop or intensify most of the time. These storms usually then head towards
the SE - SSE across the city and the southern/ south eastern suburbs of Perth.
Laurier Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 19 May 1999 15:06:00 +0800, Jacob wrote:
>
> >
> >Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
> >Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
> >roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
> >a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
> >see if it was a tornado or not.
> >
> Whenabouts did this occur, Jacob?
>
> --
> Laurier Williams
> Australian Weather Links and News
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~wbc/
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From: Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]
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At 04:40 19/05/99 GMT, you wrote:
>On Wed, 19 May 1999 15:06:00 +0800, Jacob wrote:
>
>>
>>Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
>>Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
>>roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
>>a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
>>see if it was a tornado or not.
>>
>Whenabouts did this occur, Jacob?
>
>
About 11:30am to 12noon WST they said. On the 5pm channel 10 news, a BoM
spokesman said he didnt think it was a tornado, and that it was more likely
a downdraft.
Not sure if you saw any footage of it, as it was on the late national news
on channel 10, but there was quite a bit of damage.
Jacob
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From: Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au]
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Interesting, I dont have any radar loops of it, I should have saved some,
but I was too busy outside taking pics of the storms coming towards the
northern suburbs.
I noticed channel 10 showed a report about it on its late national news at
10:45pm if anyone managed to see it.
All channels showed it as their main story in the evening here.
Jacob
At 11:27 19/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jacob,
>
>I glued mysef to the evening news on various channels but no luck as to
>even a mention here in Brissy. I called my sister who happens to live, you
>guessed it, in Westfield (Troon Pl). She said she was out at the time and
>was rather surprised when she saw the news footage - it was about 3 streets
>away she said. No damage of any kind at her place...
>
>Does anyone have radar loops or other related info of interest?
>
>John.
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>From: Jacob [SMTP:jacob at iinet.net.au]
>Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 1999 17:06
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
>
>
>Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb of
>Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
>roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it was
>a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports to
>see if it was a tornado or not.
>
>Jacob
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: State of Origin Wx
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:29:15 +1000
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Well, if any of us are prepared to put our money on the GASP models, the
weather for origin one (next wed) is looking pretty good, unless you like
muddy jersys...
If that model is accurate, we'll be having a pretty good a cold spell a few
days later too - maybe for the weekend, so here's hoping.
Andrew.
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:19:59 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Lindsay,
Nasty, nasty windoze and software:-) That software stole the
Windows3.1 colour map and didn't give it back nicely or it's
setup a different video driver which is the worst possible
behavior. It may also have clobbered some key setup files like
MichaelT mentioned. Hopefully just renaming the originals. Use
your file finder or xtree to find those files younger than the
time you installed the software and sift through them for
suspect changes. Problem will be restoration. With that I
can't help you much:-( You might be able to run your colour
video card with less res and more colours. This might help if
it's not a butchered-driver problem. Experiment until you find
a combination that meets the capabilities of your setup. You
might be ultimately faced with doing a fresh installation! YUK!
I've had to do that five times with Windows95 and about to do
it a sixth in order to patch buggy Office97. Wait until 2001
to run the third release of Windows2000 or get Linux for
free!:-(
My setup is a little more elegant in that any windoze operates
in it's own environment where it can't do nasty things to my
underlying O/S and file system which is bullet-proof Solaris
2.5.1 based. Solaris sees the entire "C:" drive as a single
file which is backed up like any other file. Thus, when I get
into these "that installation stuffed windoze" scenarios, I just
call up the penultimate version (or even earlier) from backups
and examine the diffs. That cuts out the guess-work and gives
you an insight into the operation of windoze installation and
software setup regimes that'll give you an ulcer.
You can do something similar with dedicated setups like yours
by backing-up all .bat/sys/ini files to floppy, zip or just
some other dir called "mybackup" that windoze won't care about.
That's just good insurance in hindsight unfortunately.
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
Michael Thompson wrote on Wed, 19 May 1999 21:49:48 +1000:
>
> A bit scary here Lindsay. I presume that the graphic driver file in Windows
> Setup was not changed in any way ?
>
> If not then there can only be a few places the rogue problem can come from,
> check your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS for any new lines, especially related
> to graphics. If either of these files has a date the same as you installed
> Photoworks you are on a winner. The Windows startup group is probably too
> obvious and I bet you have checked that. Look also in WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI
> for any graphic drivers, usually any funny drivers may be found in the first
> few lines of either, again the date of these files may be a pointer. If you
> suspect a culprit backup your present file with a .OLD extension ( or like )
> and remove the suspect line and save as the new .INI file and restart
> windows.
>
> Michael
>
> > I know this isn't directly related to weather but I need help and it was
> > for aussue-weather that I obtained this software to make my snow photos
> > available to everyone etc.
> >
> > I installed Photoworks for windows 3.1 and it has stuffed up my
> > graphics/ colours etc. I'm operating on very limited colour just now,
> > very frustrating. Now and then, when I change back to a vga driver with
> > say 16 colors then back to my S3 driver everything returns to normal but
> > when I turn the computer off for more than a minute or so, it reverts
> > back to strange colours. National Photos finally remembered after
> > sending me the software that it wasn't compatible with "One S3 driver"
> > and that appears to be mine. Any help would be appreciated, and I will
> > return the favour somehow.Maybe email privately eh?
> >
> >
> > Ta,
> >
> > Lindsay Pearce
> >
> > Has anyone else had experience with this software, good or bad?
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:12:59 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Silent Sentinels...
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Not a joke by any means but something that leaves me feeling totally
bewildered and powerless. We Earth-people are like a marine-emu with
its head stuck firmly into some dead coral. The marine-emu doesn't
exist yet but the dead coral certainly does:-(
See http://www.abc.net.au/science/event/default.htm and scroll
down the page to reveal some research that has grave consequences.
I saw some of this program last night. I hope more people did.
Text included to avoid excessive hits on the abc www-server.
---included text from the ABC---
Silent Sentinels
Wednesday May 19, 8:30pm
Silent Sentinels examines the 1998 coral bleaching and takes a
broader look at the remarkable coral organism and how it has
coped with climate change over time. It is the story of a polyp
and a plant - one of the most successful biological relationships
in the history of the Earth.
Filmed in three oceans, 'Silent Sentinels' is the first extensive
television investigation into one of the greatest biological
disasters of the modern age. It charts the unfolding story of
coral bleaching as scientists have grappled to understand it and
offers strong evidence that the latest events were caused by rising
sea temperatures. It seems clear that this rise can be attributed
to global warming and could threaten the continued existence of
coral reefs as we know them.
That's not all. The program reveals the latest disturbing evidence
that even if corals can survive rising sea temperatures, they won't
be able to escape the chemical effects of high levels of carbon
dioxide in the atmosphere. Experiments in Arizona's Biosphere II
show that as the ocean is becoming more acidic, corals will grow
more slowly and with weaker skeletons.
---end included text---
No cheers,
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Hi Michael
Very interesting, and ashame i missed the program.. also very disturbing..
i guess one of the main solutions is solar power/wind power ...although i
dont know how actually advanced that is to eg:supply a whole city with
power and for everyone to own a solar powered car etc...im no expert.. just
thinking aloud, and as yo said, it makes you seem powerless to do anything
Matt Smith
>Not a joke by any means but something that leaves me feeling totally
>bewildered and powerless. We Earth-people are like a marine-emu with
>its head stuck firmly into some dead coral. The marine-emu doesn't
>exist yet but the dead coral certainly does:-(
>
>See http://www.abc.net.au/science/event/default.htm and scroll
>down the page to reveal some research that has grave consequences.
>I saw some of this program last night. I hope more people did.
>
>Text included to avoid excessive hits on the abc www-server.
>
>---included text from the ABC---
>Silent Sentinels
>Wednesday May 19, 8:30pm
>Silent Sentinels examines the 1998 coral bleaching and takes a
>broader look at the remarkable coral organism and how it has
>coped with climate change over time. It is the story of a polyp
>and a plant - one of the most successful biological relationships
>in the history of the Earth.
>
>Filmed in three oceans, 'Silent Sentinels' is the first extensive
>television investigation into one of the greatest biological
>disasters of the modern age. It charts the unfolding story of
>coral bleaching as scientists have grappled to understand it and
>offers strong evidence that the latest events were caused by rising
>sea temperatures. It seems clear that this rise can be attributed
>to global warming and could threaten the continued existence of
>coral reefs as we know them.
>
>That's not all. The program reveals the latest disturbing evidence
>that even if corals can survive rising sea temperatures, they won't
>be able to escape the chemical effects of high levels of carbon
>dioxide in the atmosphere. Experiments in Arizona's Biosphere II
>show that as the ocean is becoming more acidic, corals will grow
>more slowly and with weaker skeletons.
>---end included text---
>
>No cheers,
>
>Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:21:02 +0800
From: Michael Fewings [mike at strikeone.com.au]
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Jacob and other interested members,
Dark and grey. Just as I remember them.
Cold and wet winter weather. Ahhhh may there be more to report on.
>From here I heard lots of thunder but could I see a lightning strike. I even
got myself wet from the rain in a brave attempt to see one. Oh well. I am just
waiting for the next severe system to go through. I am optimistic that this
list will hear of many this year. It looks like being a great one for strong
cold fronts and deep low pressure systems close to the SW of WA.
By the way Jacob. You had a much better view than I did here. I got stuck
under the anvil and it just rumbled over head and rained. Way too much low
cloud to see anything flashing above though.
Oh and regarding the (what was that word) tornado here yesterday. I might have
to make it a personal mission to change attitude here as I am no doubt going
to hear that statement many times this winter.
Anyone else feeling in the "lets get some changing media attitude" feel.
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Jacob wrote:
> We just had a thundestorm pass us here in the northern suburbs of Perth,
> some nice lightning in it.
>
> I managed to get some pics of the storm using my brothers digital camera,
> didnt manage to get any lightning on camera though. 3 of the pics are
> showing cloud tops next to the main storm.
>
> http://www.iinet.net.au/~jacob/clouds/
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> Jacob
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne Vantage Points
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>
> A couple of vantage points I found today in my search for 'weather'......
>
> 1. Beaumaris Yacht Club carpark
> Melways reference: map 86, B8
> View: NNW - S
> Clear view across Port Phillip Bay - ideal for cold outbreaks like today
> Unobstructed views from Williamstown to Portsea.
>
> 2. Beaconsfield Parade, St Kilda
> Melways reference: map 57, F6
> View: W - SE
> Another clear view across Port Phillip Bay but further to the north than
> Beaumaris.
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Victoria
>
I'll certainly second number 2, having lived there for four years.
While I wasn't specifically looking for weather, there are two
excellent viewpoints over the Melbourne basin on major approach roads:
1. Western Highway - near the Pentland Hills Road overpass, about 10km
west of Bacchus Marsh.
2. Calder Highway - top of Gap Hill, about 10km SE of Gisborne. (There
are actually two viewpoints here - the top of the hill itself, which
has good views in the NE-SE quadrant, and back a couple of hundred
metres at the top of the Kororoit Creek valley, which has views to
the south).
Neither of these are much good for seeing what's coming (as neither
have views to the west) but they are good for tracking storms from
behind. Both also have good road links, although traffic could be
an issue as you get closer to Melbourne.
Another spot (very close to here :-)
3. The National Meteorological Library, 27th floor, 150 Lonsdale St.
Windows along the whole southern side of the building, essentially
unobstructed views W-SE. A great spot on cold outbreak days. No good
as a base for chasing, but on the other hand, in the right conditions
it's not hard to find an excuse to need to check out a few books for
half an hour or so....
(Only open business hours, of course).
Another possible (I haven't investigated this for storms specifically,
but it seems like a good viewpoint)
4. Mt. Tarrengower, near Maldon. There are no higher peaks north or
west of here this side of Alice Springs, so I expect there are great
views over the northern plains from the top. I've never been to the
top (the one occasion when I saw a storm from here was from the lower
slopes), so I don't know if trees obstruct the view from the top
(which is accessible by road) at all.
Blair Trewin
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From: "James Chambers" [jamestorm at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Updated Storm Reports
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:26:02 +1000
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Hi all
I've recently updated several parts of my website "The Brisbane and SE Qld
Storm Site": http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm.html
The gallery page has been added to and changed a little to include some
images of the hailstorm we chased on May 1 and some other nice photos:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm/gallery.html
Storm Reports from Oct 13, Nov 18, Nov 24, Dec 5 and Dec 16 have had radar
loops added and generally updated. My December 5 storm report also has a
videosnap of the hail falling at my place. The storm reports page is:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm/reports.html
Also remember that I update the homepage every couple of days with a brief
weather outlook especially if t'storms are possible. I hope you like the
changes.
Regards
James Chambers
PS: We've missed out again on this rain event - its all happening on the
Sunshine Coast or at sea!!
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Blair,
1. >The National Meteorological Library, 27th floor, 150 Lonsdale St.
Is this open to the general public?
2. From my student days, the top floor of the RG Menzies building (otherwise
known as the Ming Wing) at the Monash Uni (Clayton Campus) offers great
views both north and south. The building's east-west alignment means you
often hear the wind and feel the movement of the building as well - so you
can feel a part of the action.
Northerly views include across towards the Lake Mtn/Donna Buang area as well
as the along the spine of the divide westwards of Mt Macedon. It is often
interesting to see precipitation commencing in the ranges further east in a
NW'ly ahead of a front well before the rain band has reached Melbourne and
areas west.
Southerly views across the Bay with good views of Arthur's seat (depending
on visibility). Good in a cold outbreak.
No views directly east or west (due to the building alignment.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
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> Blair,
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> 1. >The National Meteorological Library, 27th floor, 150 Lonsdale St.
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> Is this open to the general public?
Yes (in business hours).
Blair
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Partly cloudy here with Clumps of Cu & Congestus with the occasional brief
shower. Rainfall for May so far is below average - so lets hope that the
Low does something this weekend. However I very much doubt it..........
Looks promising though so keeping my fingers crossed.
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Hi all,
Check out this awesome storm on the edge of the martian polar cap.
http://www.flatoday.com/space/today/052099a.htm
Raining gently in Adelaide, gloomy north west cloudband overhead. Lots of
raised dust too - we need a good dump, not just a few mm here and there....
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible tornado in Perth
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Whilst I may agree about downburst, I say that 85Km/h wind is not going to
knock down much at all. That's is only around 50knots, this wind speed
should be experienced in most parts of Perth at least once a year
Regards
Michael
> was passing over head at the time. Wind speeds were only 85 Km/H it was
very
> localized tho. The house that was almost destroyed, well it was there
going to
> have to demolish it anyway. Not able to repair it major damage done to the
main
> structural areas of the house. Hence it is not safe to live in or work on.
The
> time of this occurrence was just after 11 am local time ( WST ) 19 th May
1999.
>
> There were numerous areas of yellow on the perth radar from 2 am
to
> 4.30 am local time, This was when I, Michael Fewings, Jacob and Ira went
to bed
> as we were just to tried to watch it any longer. The town of Lancelin had
a
> area of pick just to the north of it for a while as shown in the till 9 am
> rainfall figures ( 65 mm ). Numerous areas of green were also developing
in
> these cells swell. Most of it was peaking just as it was about to cross
the
> coast, but once they crossed the coast they lost there intensity from high
> green/ low pink to yellow very quickly.
> Most of these cells were developing just to the north west of the
city
> and within 20 - 40 Km off the coast. This area from Trigg to Mullaloo and
on to
> OceanReef is were most of the storms that hit Perth in the winter, either
> develop or intensify most of the time. These storms usually then head
towards
> the SE - SSE across the city and the southern/ south eastern suburbs of
Perth.
>
> Laurier Williams wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 19 May 1999 15:06:00 +0800, Jacob wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Just seen footage on a news update of a street in the southern suburb
of
> > >Westfield near Kelmscott, trees on the ground, many homes damaged with
> > >roofs lost, and 1 home was almost totally destroyed. Channel 7 said it
was
> > >a "mini tornado", so we'll have to wait and see for more damage reports
to
> > >see if it was a tornado or not.
> > >
> > Whenabouts did this occur, Jacob?
> >
> > --
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Hi Michael
I certainly watched this show. It reminds of the debates regarding global
warning that rage on the US weather newsgroups. Mention global warning and
you get several self opinioned experts jump on you say that there is no
proof that anything has changed.
What amazes me is their attitude that climate is stable ! regardless of
global warning or a new ice age one thing is certain, the worlds climate
has never stood still.
On a personal level I do believe that global warming is occurring, but I
also believe that climate shifts happen abruptly, not the nice easy
transition period of 1000' s of years. The fossil records around the world
point to abrupt climate shifts at various times.
Michael
> Not a joke by any means but something that leaves me feeling totally
> bewildered and powerless. We Earth-people are like a marine-emu with
> its head stuck firmly into some dead coral. The marine-emu doesn't
> exist yet but the dead coral certainly does:-(
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: State of Origin Wx & Models
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The same GASP model has an interesting scenario for Monday for Sydney /
Illawarra with the low coming right down the east coast with maximum
convergence right on the coast and not 500km out to sea. If this comes true
we will get huge seas and possible flooding.
However, this is all too much like the disappointment exactly a week ago !
, the NGP model has it doing the dirty and following the same road as last
week, that is taking off away from Australia. MRF has lighter falls with the
low although coming south staying well in the Tasman with the tightest
convergence well of the coast.
Regards
Michael
> weather for origin one (next wed) is looking pretty good, unless you like
> muddy jersys...
>
> If that model is accurate, we'll be having a pretty good a cold spell a
few
> days later too - maybe for the weekend, so here's hoping.
>
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: State of Origin Wx & Models
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>
> The same GASP model has an interesting scenario for Monday for Sydney /
> Illawarra with the low coming right down the east coast with maximum
> convergence right on the coast and not 500km out to sea. If this comes true
> we will get huge seas and possible flooding.
>
> However, this is all too much like the disappointment exactly a week ago !
> , the NGP model has it doing the dirty and following the same road as last
> week, that is taking off away from Australia. MRF has lighter falls with the
> low although coming south staying well in the Tasman with the tightest
> convergence well of the coast.
GASP is a bit on its own here. Other progs are all looking at a cutoff
in the SA area on Saturday, drifting slowly SE. This points to a
potentially major rain situation for SA and western Victoria - great
news for the farmers if it happens.
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Hi Michael!
At the risk of sounding American....
Global warming is very likely happening but I disagree that rapid climate
changes occur WITHOUT some sort of catastrophic trigger.
i.e. comet/asteroid impact which would obviously affect global weather
dramatically.
I think that neither side of this argument (even the impact one) have
anywhere NEAR enough historical data to push the conclusion one way or
another.
The last ten years have probably contained nine of the hottest global
average temperatures ever recorded...but...since when?...and how far back do
we have to go to be sure?
The Little Ice Age of the 1700's was a recorded phenomenon...but no mention
anywhere that I could find for a 'trigger" and that was pre-Industrial
Revolution...
No...I'm NOT saying that GAIA rules...just that catastrophic climate changes
(up till now) seem to have involved catastrophic physical changes in the
Earth's surface....
My 2c worth...
Cheers.
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Silent Sentinels...
>Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:46:53 +1000
>
>Hi Michael
>
>I certainly watched this show. It reminds of the debates regarding global
>warning that rage on the US weather newsgroups. Mention global warning and
>you get several self opinioned experts jump on you say that there is no
>proof that anything has changed.
>
>What amazes me is their attitude that climate is stable ! regardless of
>global warning or a new ice age one thing is certain, the worlds climate
>has never stood still.
>
>On a personal level I do believe that global warming is occurring, but I
>also believe that climate shifts happen abruptly, not the nice easy
>transition period of 1000' s of years. The fossil records around the world
>point to abrupt climate shifts at various times.
>
>Michael
>
>
> > Not a joke by any means but something that leaves me feeling totally
> > bewildered and powerless. We Earth-people are like a marine-emu with
> > its head stuck firmly into some dead coral. The marine-emu doesn't
> > exist yet but the dead coral certainly does:-(
> >
>
>
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Rod, if you have time, could you explain what a glaciated cloud looks
like, for me? Thanks,
Hi Lindsay,
Sorry for the dalay in getting back to you. In a normal
cumuliform shower cloud, the edges usually appear faily distinct, although
sometimes ragged. In cold air masses, sometimes the edges of of the whole
cloud are very wispy and diffuse - indicating the presence of ice or snow
crystals down to low levels; these crystals are often carried further afield
by the wind. In other words, the whole cloud often looks like a big mass of
cirrus at low altitude.
I would suspect that living in the Blue Mountains you probably would see
clouds like this fairly often.
Rod Aikman
Bendigo
>
> Hi everyone,
> Had a couple of showers about lunch time today with small
winter
> 3-5mm dia. hail, but no thunder. The clouds looked rather glaciated near
> their bases, so had we had been a bit more elevated, snow could have
reached
> the ground. Maximum temperature just 11.0 deg. at 15:30 est. The frontal
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Silent Sentinels...
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I never ruled out catastrophic triggers at all, in fact I think they are far
more common then we realise, especially volcanoes.
Michael
> Global warming is very likely happening but I disagree that rapid climate
> changes occur WITHOUT some sort of catastrophic trigger.
>
> i.e. comet/asteroid impact which would obviously affect global weather
> dramatically.
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