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001 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Wind in Oklahoma tornado recorded at 512 km/h
002 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] RE: Autumn temporarily on hold...
003 m114 at ncc.moc.kw Me - Re: Welcome to aussie-weather
004 m114 at ncc.moc.kw Re Canberra or Melbourne?
005 "Peter Tristram" [petertri at midcoast.com.au] new subscriber
006 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] SE QLD Wx
007 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Re: water temps / Melbourne weather
008 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] SE QLD Wx
009 "Mark Hardy" [mhardy at magna.com.au] (no subject)
010 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] SE QLD Wx
011 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Re: cloud colours
012 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Re Canberra or Melbourne?
013 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] SE QLD Wx
014 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] Re Canberra or Melbourne?
015 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
016 "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au] Thanks for making me welcome
017 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Re: cloud colours
018 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
019 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Re Canberra or Melbourne?
020 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] cloud colours
021 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Aussie-weather guidelines
022 Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au] Not just severe weather chat..
023 "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au] Heavy Rainfall in the Pilbara and Exmouth flooded again
024 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Aussie-weather guidelines
025 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
026 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] From Strahan Tasmania
027 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] From Strahan Tasmania
028 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au From Strahan Tasmania
029 "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au] Re: cloud colours
030 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Severe weather page from the BoM for those interested
031 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] ornadoes in Tas
032 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] ornadoes in Tas
033 Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com. Southern circumpolar wave
034 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] SE QLD Wx
035 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] AMOS Weatherwatch Meeting - Sydney Hailstorm
036 "Ben Tichborne" [tich at netaccess.co.nz] Southern circumpolar wave
037 Norman Lynagh [lynagh at dial.pipex.com] From Strahan Tasmania
038 "bernette hudson" [bernette at primus.com.au] Can anyone help me please with the cloud classification
039 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Can anyone help me please with the cloud classification
040 "bernette hudson" [bernette at primus.com.au] cloud classification
041 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] new subscriber
042 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Re: cloud colours
043 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] French lightning chaser on SBS
044 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] cloud classification
045 "Kevin Phyland" [kjphyland at hotmail.com] Southern circumpolar wave
046 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Southern circumpolar wave
047 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
048 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au] Can anyone help me please with the cloud classification
049 Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au] Thanks for making me welcome
050 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Re: Photos taken at the last ASWA meeting
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Wind in Oklahoma tornado recorded at 512 km/h
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:42:30 +1000
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Hi Blair,
Yes, a pity the Uni's here are not a bit more active. We have been talking
about trying to get Uni Q Electrical Engineering dept interested in a joint
effort to build a portable doppler radar. I used to be on the curriculum
advisory panel for this dept. but I don't know how successful we will be.
John.
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 14:48
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Subject: aus-wx: Wind in Oklahoma tornado recorded at 512 km/h
A wind speed of 512 km/h (318 mph) was recorded by a truck-mounted
Doppler radar in one of the Oklahoma tornadoes last week.
This is just below the theoretical F5/F6 cutoff - impressive stuff!
(Having said that, it's only recently that we've had the technology
to measure winds inside tornadoes, and the results might well lead
to a recalibration of the wind-damage relationships in the Fujita
scale).
(By the way, I thought that one of my colleagues was in Oklahoma at
the time, but it turns out he was in Boulder, Colorado on the day).
There's more on this on the Weather Channel's site (www.weather.com).
I was also interested to see that there are research groups chasing
storms in Oklahoma (the university's meteorology department was the
group that took the above-mentioned observation). I'm not aware of
any work of this type in Australia, either past or present - in fact,
there's only a little bit of severe storm research work going on that
I know about.
Blair Trewin
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:55:51 +1000
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Hi All,
Well it's just coming up to midnight here and at Mt. Crosby the temp is
currently a very pleasant 20.0C under only a partially overcast sky with a
very gentle N'ley. Humidity is around 70%. This makes it the warmest
night for some 5 weeks. The BoM had forecast 10C min for Ipswich & the
West tonight... I don't think so.... (My location is about 13km due North
of Ipswich in the foothills).
John W.
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From: Michael Thompson [SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 1999 22:09
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Subject: Re: aus-wx:Qld/NSW Depression
Even more of a letdown here in the Illawarra, it stayed dry and sunny. I
could see the cirrus associated with the low edging this way late yesterday
and my hopes were high. When I awoke this morning the cirrus had cleared to
the E/SE and I knew that this low was New Zealand bound and a lost cause
for
us.
Michael
> I think you can just about take 'QLD' out of the topic now...what a
> letdown! Certainly was not the situation I expected there to be, the
> rain litterally "skipped" Brisbane altogether. Oh well...there goes my
> hope of more flood photo's.
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Me - Re: Welcome to aussie-weather
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Thank you for the welcome.. I liked the idea of your mailing list so much..
well, it seems unusual to me!.. a mailing list just for issues relating to
the weather in aust!... intersting! :)
I am from Egypt.. I live in Kuwait and am palnning to settle in Australia
soon.. we havent decided yet where exactly we will reside.. this actually
depends on many factors.. the weather is one of them.. that's why i thought
it would be interesting that i join your list and learn from your experiences..
We havent experienced severe weather events here before.. except for a flood
that happened in Kuwait around 2 years ago.. not to mention the
extraordinary heat in the summer.. it is usually fifty something (c) here in
the summer (IN THE SHADE!).. but we got used to that.. there are ACs
everywhere.. i also remember that i used to go to school and come back on
foot! I dont know how!! We lately started experiencing some strong
thunderstorms and lightenings.. which is unusual to the weather in Kuwait..
Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the weather in Canberra
and Melbourne.. i appreciate your replies..
When i saw the talking about Tornadoes and other severe thunderstorms on the
internet, i asked some Australian friends here and they were completely
surprised!! They said to me that there are no such things in Canb. or
Melb., this made me confused...
Well... that's it about me!! :)
Mira
>Welcome to the aussie-weather list !!
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>I hope you enjoy the list and the friendships that develop from it as much
>as we do.
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>You might like to introduce yourself by sending an email to aussie-weather
>with the following details as well as a short resume and your particular
>area of interest.
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>It would be useful if other members could know some or all of the following:
>Name, Suburb/Town, State, ICQ No (if you have one), Home Phone no, Mobile,
>Nick, email address, homepage URL.
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>We maintain a register of members on the aussie-weather list called "The
>List", which came into being for those of us with memories like sieves
>(who can't remember who is who in the chat room) and those of us who go out
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>swapped).
>Up to date, "The List" has some details for 96 of our 114 subscribers!! The
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>"The List" will be available by the weekend (it is being moved from one site
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>when it is bedded down.
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>My memories of Melbourne were bleak and grey. I have no memories of any
>severe storms in Melbourne (was only 7 when I left) but as soon as we
>moved up to Canberra we had half our roof ripped off an a huge storm, and
>there have been a number of roof-ripper storms since (This is going back
>20 years though :).
"as soon as you moved up to Canberra" you had your roof ripped off in
Canberra or Melbourne?! sorry.. i didnt get where those roof-ripper storm are..
>Canberra weather is far more extreme than
>Melbourne though - from -9C in winter to 42C in summer
Oops! i thought it is far more hot in Melbourne! So what do you people do
in this heat?? do you have air conditions?
Mira
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From: "Peter Tristram" [petertri at midcoast.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: new subscriber
Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:38:59 +1000
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Well, you can add me to that list too.
Name Peter Tristram
Town Repton, lower Bellinger Valley, 20km south of Coffs
State NSW
Email petertri at midcoast.com.au
Phone 02 66554130
Fax 02 66554585
Had a surprising storm today, 2:30pm, at Bonville 10km south of Coffs. Excellent convection and 16mm in 10-15 mins, after a very warm day. The low moved by last night after lower than expected temperatures, given where it came from, but still some chunky falls on the coast around 50-60mm yesterday, and some local flooding as everything is saturated after previous falls. YTD total for Repton is 1320mm.
Does anyone know where maps of local ocean temperatures can be obtained? (Such as Eastern Australia or, closer still, the north coast of NSW!)
Peter
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:28:49 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at rmitel.com.au]
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Hi all,
Well - a line of storms almost made it to Brisbane, had some green/pink
in it - Beaudesert had some storms that looked much better structured.
However as they approached Brisbane, they fell apart :( Tracker isn't
updating unfortunately. John - did you get anything interesting out at
Mt Crosby? It weakened just as it passed over you guys...it looks like
a squall line actually, but we didn't get any winds here :(
Maybe something later in the day? Keep hoping Anthony!
Glad to see the BoM woke up and changed their forecast to "showers and
local thunder passing across the district early this morning."
Anthony from Brisbane
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Re: water temps / Melbourne weather
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 07:58:24 +1000
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Re: SST's -
Peter,
this site will give you both wave heights and SST's for NSW waters.
http://groper.mhl.nsw.gov.au/www/wave_last4.html
Melbourne this morning is dull, grey & WET!!!!! Recorded falls are less
than 1mm but there have been some heavier localised falls of probably up to
3mm in the eastern suburbs (gave the windscreen wipers a bit of exercise at
least). 13.0C at 7.30am.
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
Date: Thu, 13 May 99 10:13:06 PDT
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Hello everybody, new and old. I've been a bit recently - but with weather like Melbourne has enjoyed for how long now? you must understand.
I read Anthony's reference to green pink in his line of storms.
On Tuesday and again yesterday, I saw patches of cloud, cirrus and 'wind-swept'
(trivia insert: me to 2and a half Ethan. The clouds look as if they've been swept. Him to me: Yes, dey ave. De little little birdies sweep dem. Dey stwetch dere wings and go tweep tweep and dere fevvers sweep de clouds. end trivia).
Anyway - there were what looked like 2 dimensional clouds, as if someone had torn a corner of white paper, and stuck it to the sky. Several small patches like that. And 2 that I was looking at had fine pink and pale green edgings.
I eliminated several possible causes, but even after rounding a bend and having these clouds in a different visual frame, the pink and green colours were still there. Other small clouds close by, on the same horizontal plane had no colour. I was enchanted by the delicate colouring, nearly went into the back of 2 vehicles as I meandered up Stud Rd looking at clouds :-o
This is something I have never noticed before. Can someone tell me how this colouring occurs?
(more trivia: God is playing with his new textas has already been suggested - thank you).
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> Hi all,
>
> Well - a line of storms almost made it to Brisbane, had some green/pink
> in it - Beaudesert had some storms that looked much better structured.
> However as they approached Brisbane, they fell apart :( Tracker isn't
> updating unfortunately. John - did you get anything interesting out at
> Mt Crosby? It weakened just as it passed over you guys...it looks like
> a squall line actually, but we didn't get any winds here :(
>
> Maybe something later in the day? Keep hoping Anthony!
>
> Glad to see the BoM woke up and changed their forecast to "showers and
> local thunder passing across the district early this morning."
>
> Anthony from Brisbane
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Subject: aus-wx: Southern circumpolar wave
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Hi all
Does anybody know about the "southern circumpolar wave" and how it affects
our weather?
thanks, Mark
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Hi Anthony and all.
Yes indeed, a surprising (well not really, the approaching line was evident
on yesterdays sat pic), thundery this morning which woke me up at 5:30am.
Not much action - closest strike approx 3km. Recorded 6mm in a short but
quite intense downpour. Thereafter a min of 16.0C was recorded.
The forecast NW'ter is now in force but there still seems to be plenty of
moisture in the low levels and heaps of shear. What do the soundings look
like Anthony?
Oh Nandina, I wish I had whatever you had for breakfast...
Regards,
>snip
Hi all,
Well - a line of storms almost made it to Brisbane, had some green/pink
in it - Beaudesert had some storms that looked much better structured.
However as they approached Brisbane, they fell apart :( Tracker isn't
updating unfortunately. John - did you get anything interesting out at
Mt Crosby? It weakened just as it passed over you guys...it looks like
a squall line actually, but we didn't get any winds here :(
Maybe something later in the day? Keep hoping Anthony!
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Re: cloud colours
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:27:43 +1000
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Nandina,
What you saw was iridescence. I had a chat a couple of years ago to someone
from the BoM when I spotted it (strangely enough I was just turning onto
Stud Road off the Freeway (???)) and he'd also had a report from someone of
the same thing out near Mt Macedon.
I've only seen it once in my life, but you can strike it with altostratus
and altocumulus - shades are usually pastel, and usually only on the cloud
edges. It's caused by light diffraction & the colours show you where the
droplets or ice particles are the same sizes ie: different sizes, different
colours.
Jane ONeill
Bayswater, Melbourne
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Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:02
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
Anyway - there were what looked like 2 dimensional clouds, as if someone had
torn a corner of white paper, and stuck it to the sky. Several small
patches like that. And 2 that I was looking at had fine pink and pale green
edgings.
>
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At 00:58 13/05/99 , you wrote:
>
>>My memories of Melbourne were bleak and grey. I have no memories of any
>>severe storms in Melbourne (was only 7 when I left) but as soon as we
>>moved up to Canberra we had half our roof ripped off an a huge storm, and
>>there have been a number of roof-ripper storms since (This is going back
>>20 years though :).
>
>"as soon as you moved up to Canberra" you had your roof ripped off in
>Canberra or Melbourne?! sorry.. i didnt get where those roof-ripper storm
are..
Sorry - roof ripped off in Canberra. Freaked us out and made us look longingly
back at Melbourne :)
>>Canberra weather is far more extreme than
>>Melbourne though - from -9C in winter to 42C in summer
>Oops! i thought it is far more hot in Melbourne! So what do you people do
>in this heat?? do you have air conditions?
They're the extremes that I've experienced - but -7 - 38 is more common.
My house is an oven, so I used to drive around to friends places in the heat
of the day just to enjoy the air-con in my car!
Chris Maunder (Canberra)
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Haven/2473/
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From: "Nandina Morris" [nandina at alphalink.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
Date: Thu, 13 May 99 10:56:59 PDT
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You just wouldn't want to know - but the apple blossom clouds were real - they really were!!!
Cheers,
Nandina
nandina at alphalink.com.au
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> Hi Anthony and all.
>
> Yes indeed, a surprising (well not really, the approaching line was evident
> on yesterdays sat pic), thundery this morning which woke me up at 5:30am.
> Not much action - closest strike approx 3km. Recorded 6mm in a short but
> quite intense downpour. Thereafter a min of 16.0C was recorded.
>
> The forecast NW'ter is now in force but there still seems to be plenty of
> moisture in the low levels and heaps of shear. What do the soundings look
> like Anthony?
>
> Oh Nandina, I wish I had whatever you had for breakfast...
>
> Regards,
> >snip
> Hi all,
>
> Well - a line of storms almost made it to Brisbane, had some green/pink
> in it - Beaudesert had some storms that looked much better structured.
> However as they approached Brisbane, they fell apart :( Tracker isn't
> updating unfortunately. John - did you get anything interesting out at
> Mt Crosby? It weakened just as it passed over you guys...it looks like
> a squall line actually, but we didn't get any winds here :(
>
> Maybe something later in the day? Keep hoping Anthony!
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re Canberra or Melbourne?
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:59:07 +1000
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I lived in Canberra for 19 years and have now lived in the outer eastern
suburbs of Melbourne for 9.5 years.
Comparisons follow:
Canberra: July nights of -9C
Melbourne: -3C (if it's really really cold)
Canberra can have weeks of 35C+ without a break, Melbourne has more like 4-5
days at a time and then a wind change to make things more liveable.
Storms: Melbourne had great storms while I lived in Canberra, then for a
couple of years Canberra had great storms when I lived in Melbourne - and
you know what the last year has been like!!!!! - I'd definitely vote for
Melbourne!!
Snow: that's easy - the ranges around Canberra get more snow, more
frequently than the hills around Melbourne (most of the time)
Wind: Canberra can be bleak, bleak & bleak with NW winds blowing.
Melbourne is definitely not so bad.
Stratocumulus / stratus chases: Melbourne wins this award only for 2-3
weeks in April or May, but............. the rest of the winter - stratus
chases in Canberra where you see the sun for 5 minutes just as it sets
(ooohhh,, I hated that!!) - that's on the days which aren't brilliantly
sunny
Do you get the feeling I'm here for good? (that is unless someone offers me
a really, really, really good job in Port Macquarie!!)
Jane
Bayswater, Melbourne
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: aus-wx: Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
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A bit of an oddity today arising from the extensive cloud cover in
southern Queensland: Mt Isa was the coldest spot in the state
overnight (equal with Mitchell), with a minimum of 8.
I can't imagine this happens too often.
Given the propensity of local government officials to complain
whenever their town gets on the news as the coldest place in the
state (personally, in Queensland I'd regard that as a plus rather
than a minus, but then I'm not mayor of anywhere), I wonder how long
it will be before the Mt Isa council will be writing to the Bureau to
ask for the relocation of their instruments?
I can imagine circumstances in which WA's lowest minimum on a day
could be recorded in the Kimberley (probably at Mt Elizabeth), but
I don't know if it has actually happened or not.
Blair Trewin
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" [amiskelly at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thanks for making me welcome
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:47:23 +1000
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Sounds like a great spot for weather, which I guess would be expected on
the W coast of Tas. Surely some of the winter weather you get would make up
to some extent for the quiter times in summer...
--
Andrew Miskelly
Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
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> Subject: aus-wx: Thanks for making me welcome
> Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 9:18
>
> Many thanks for making me welcome and to Jimmy for the Australian
> Severe
> Weather site, there is so many of the links, to sites, I was looking
> for.
>
> Here in Strahan we have had a warm front over us, this produced a
> constant but
> very light rain that just registered in the rain gauge, the winds are
> light.
> This is the calm before the storm which is heading our way from the
> Southern
> Ocean, a cold front with strong to gale force winds Friday, with a very
> cold
> south westerly change Saturday with our first lot of highland snow for
> the
> month. It usually doesn't snow in Strahan at sea level, we usually get
> soft
> hale in the cold stream behind the front, but the roads out have snow
> when its
> down to 600m and blocked south to Hobart down to 400m and north to
> Burnie down
> to 300m (usually once a year we are cut off).
>
> On the subject of tornadoes. 1987 a storm made a path of destruction in
> Strahan
> and continued to Queenstown 20 km away. Its all bush between the two
> towns so
> its path could be easily followed. It was before my time but I will try
> and find
> out the time of year. The lack of thunderstorms is one thing I noticed
> when I
> moved here.
>
> Chas
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:50:02 +1000
From: Michael Scollay [michael.scollay at telstra.com.au]
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I've got a photo of this phenomena taken at Bathurst recently. You
can see it clearly in the pic but I havn't got around to getting
a scan done:-(
Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> Nandina,
>
> What you saw was iridescence. I had a chat a couple of years ago to someone
> from the BoM when I spotted it (strangely enough I was just turning onto
> Stud Road off the Freeway (???)) and he'd also had a report from someone of
> the same thing out near Mt Macedon.
>
> I've only seen it once in my life, but you can strike it with altostratus
> and altocumulus - shades are usually pastel, and usually only on the cloud
> edges. It's caused by light diffraction & the colours show you where the
> droplets or ice particles are the same sizes ie: different sizes, different
> colours.
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Melbourne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nandina Morris
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:02
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
>
>
> Anyway - there were what looked like 2 dimensional clouds, as if someone had
> torn a corner of white paper, and stuck it to the sky. Several small
> patches like that. And 2 that I was looking at had fine pink and pale green
> edgings.
> >
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:47:09 +1000
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Hi Blair,
As noted earlier we had quite a warm night but it was only partially cloudy
- I think the main reason is the warm moist air mass dragged down by that
ECL.
Regards,
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Sent: Thursday, 13 May 1999 11:27
To: Aussie Weather
Subject: aus-wx: Mt Isa - coldest in Queensland
A bit of an oddity today arising from the extensive cloud cover in
southern Queensland: Mt Isa was the coldest spot in the state
overnight (equal with Mitchell), with a minimum of 8.
I can't imagine this happens too often.
Given the propensity of local government officials to complain
whenever their town gets on the news as the coldest place in the
state (personally, in Queensland I'd regard that as a plus rather
than a minus, but then I'm not mayor of anywhere), I wonder how long
it will be before the Mt Isa council will be writing to the Bureau to
ask for the relocation of their instruments?
I can imagine circumstances in which WA's lowest minimum on a day
could be recorded in the Kimberley (probably at Mt Elizabeth), but
I don't know if it has actually happened or not.
Blair Trewin
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From: Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:15:48 +1000
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heheh Jane - no problem. What can you do!
:-)
Paul at a beaut Port with this orangy thing in the sky.........
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I lived in Canberra for 19 years and have now lived in the outer eastern
suburbs of Melbourne for 9.5 years.
Comparisons follow:
Canberra: July nights of -9C
Melbourne: -3C (if it's really really cold)
Canberra can have weeks of 35C+ without a break, Melbourne has more like
4-5
days at a time and then a wind change to make things more liveable.
Storms: Melbourne had great storms while I lived in Canberra, then for a
couple of years Canberra had great storms when I lived in Melbourne - and
you know what the last year has been like!!!!! - I'd definitely vote for
Melbourne!!
Snow: that's easy - the ranges around Canberra get more snow, more
frequently than the hills around Melbourne (most of the time)
Wind: Canberra can be bleak, bleak & bleak with NW winds blowing.
Melbourne is definitely not so bad.
Stratocumulus / stratus chases: Melbourne wins this award only for 2-3
weeks in April or May, but............. the rest of the winter - stratus
chases in Canberra where you see the sun for 5 minutes just as it sets
(ooohhh,, I hated that!!) - that's on the days which aren't brilliantly
sunny
Do you get the feeling I'm here for good? (that is unless someone offers me
a really, really, really good job in Port Macquarie!!)
Jane
Bayswater, Melbourne
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There's a photo of it here:
australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1997/1203mb03.jpg
taken in Darwin, where I observed the effect on several days.
It appears in patchy altostratus, and there was some in Sydney earlier in
the week.
regards, Michael
At 11:50 13/05/1999 +1000, you wrote:
>I've got a photo of this phenomena taken at Bathurst recently. You
>can see it clearly in the pic but I havn't got around to getting
>a scan done:-(
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This is for Blair or any others with access to weather stories or
records of note from the year 1900 or thereabouts.
I am working on my novel manuscript, "Yaroma", and am including the well
known story of the Barton Brothers Tragedy in the the Grose Valley in
the year 1900. In that year they had around 3 feet of snow that fell
over the Upper Blue Mountains in 24 hours and it even fell in
significant amounts in the Grose Valley - apparently. My story, whilst
obviously fiction, is more of a faction type plot and I don't want to
make up major weather observations of the time, if they are indeed
false.
Does anyone have any more Bureau records/stories of snowfalls, rain,even
fire storms from say, 1900 -1910 (Part One of my novel is based in this
period) or indeed news clippings or historical accounts of such things.
I'd appreciate your help and your input will be acknowledged.
Cheers,
Lindsay Pearce.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:38:28 -0700
From: Lindsay [writer at lisp.com.au]
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In keeping with the idea that this group is not just about Severe
Weather but weather in general, here's a snippet of my current
manuscript in a very early draft. I just can't keep away from the
weather :-)
Lindsay Pearce
I.
July 4th, 1900 - The Barton Brother's Tragedy.
`Blood red shards of soft, dawn light flushed the underbellies of
lingering layer clouds. Blushing below, their middles are crimson, and
that soft edged grey lined their tops. The sun, the artist that re-paints
this cloud canvas each morning, glows warm and bright. Mount Hay felt its
brush next; featherings of gold and softer hues, a faint touch of blue
where eucalyptus blew, in the light morning breeze. This is my dwelling
place. I watch the artist at work, and enjoy his brush-strokes.'
Thwap. James Barton closed his diary. A tiny spiral of dust floated into
the air. More dust wafted as he brushed off the leather cover. The diary
was a recent twenty fourth birthday gift from his mother, one that he
secretly enjoyed even more than the cricket bat from his father. He liked
cricket, no doubt, but verse was more endearing. His cricket mates laughed
at his enterings, such things were less valuable than wielding the willow
and raising an axe, they said. Still, he continued to write, hoping one
day to make it a profession.
Nevertheless, he wielded the willow well. An aggregate of forty three for
last season saw him second in the averages and his bowling faired even
better. `Built for express and belting the leather.' his father would say.
`Like the mighty Jonah, The Broken Hill Catapult!"
His father, of course, was likening his ability to that of the famous
Australian cricketer, Ernie Jones. It was true, James looked much like the
moustachieoud, raven haired Jones with his barrel chest and massive
physique but James' cricketing feats were still well short of Ernie's.
This was probably more to do with diminishing desire than lack of talent
but James could never admit such mental laziness to his father.
"C'mon James. Enough of your pretty words. The valley is calling this
morning!" barked his younger brother from the verandah of their homestead.
"The possum hunt is on in earnest!"
"Righto." said James softly. "Coming."
George was James' opposite. Short, blonde and not nearly as sturdy, and
he possessed that burly manner of the mountain man, quite paradoxical when
one considered his appearance. His barely be-whiskered face closely
resembled their mothers, even at twenty two. In fact, occassionally, folk
mistook George for James' son, much to the dislike and embarrasement, of
both. Sure George was small and high voiced but James thick shadow and
prematurely balding pate had a lot to do with it too, of course.
-----
Here's another snippet from further along in the same chapter. I enjoyed
this little bit.
-----
The window of blue sky had quickly disappeared. In its place loomed a
cauliflower mass of cumulus cloud, almost as dark as night. It rolled over
the escarpment and tumbled aggressively into the valley. In a fitful burst
of violent wind, huge dumps of swirling snow fell from the cloud like
shovelled dirt. It was blinding.
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From: "Jason" [kevans at kisser.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Heavy Rainfall in the Pilbara and Exmouth flooded again
Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 11:49:52 +0800
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Hey All
The cloud band that has been hanging around off the west coast has finally started to move eastward and make the weather interesting up here.
The Exmouth area recived 58mm from one storm last night and caused some flooding in the town which is still recovering from Vance.....story as follows..
The town of Exmouth, which is still recovering from the devastation caused by Cyclone Vance, has been inundated with heavy rain overnight which has flooded parts of the town.
The Bureau of Meteorology says more than 57 millimetres of rain has fallen on the town overnight, but the rain is easing.
Exmouth resident, Grant Whittaker, told the ABC's Graeme Powell most of the homes in his street are flooded.
"Well, overnight there has been very heavy rain," Mr Whittaker said.
"Overnight we've just regressed by eight weeks."
WA Local Government Minister, Paul Omodei, is due to arrive in Exmouth today to inspect recovery work undertaken since Cyclone Vance hit the town.
Also We have a Flood threat advice current for the Pilbara coastal streams...
FLOOD THREAT ADVICE for the Pilbara District Bureau of Meteorology Flood Warning
Centre Perth Issued at 1055 hours on Thursday, 13/05/99 A convergence line is
bringing areas of heavy rainfall to the Pilbaradistrict, in particular, the
lower reaches of Fortescue River andadjacent streams. Rainfall reports of 20mm
have been reported inthe 6 hours to 9am today. The highest rainfall has been
reportedoff the Pilbara coast at Barrow Island with 200mm in 4 hours.
The rainfall is expected to continue for the next 24 hours withareas of local
flooding. Flash flooding may also be expected.Motorist are urged to use extreme
caution when crossing flooded roadsand causeways. For up to date reports on the
conditions of roadsfrom Main Roads WA .... ring 1800 013 314.This advice is
current until 5pm Thursday 13 May.
My forcast is looking good :)
UPDATED KARRATHA:Showers, heavy at times with the risk of a thunderstorm.E'ly winds, tending N/NW in the afternoon. MAX TEMP: 26
Currently 26.5C
Overcast RH 41% DP 12.2
Wind light Easterly
Jason Aka JuNgLeJiM
Karratha W.A
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:49:57 +1000
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Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is for Blair or any others with access to weather stories or
> records of note from the year 1900 or thereabouts.
>
> I am working on my novel manuscript, "Yaroma", and am including the well
> known story of the Barton Brothers Tragedy in the the Grose Valley in
> the year 1900. In that year they had around 3 feet of snow that fell
> over the Upper Blue Mountains in 24 hours and it even fell in
> significant amounts in the Grose Valley - apparently. My story, whilst
> obviously fiction, is more of a faction type plot and I don't want to
> make up major weather observations of the time, if they are indeed
> false.
>
> Does anyone have any more Bureau records/stories of snowfalls, rain,even
> fire storms from say, 1900 -1910 (Part One of my novel is based in this
> period) or indeed news clippings or historical accounts of such things.
This has been a long thread:-) I had promised to chase up some
details from Bernard O'Reilly's (BOR) book "Green Mountains and
Cullenbenbong" trying very hard to pinpoint the date of a really
big snowfall in the Blue Mountains. BOR states as a caveat that
there could be errors in people's recall of events. I tend to
agree. Here is the cronology of events to note:
The snowfall in question was noted as extending as far down
the Blue Mountains as Lapstone. BOR's uncle caught a train
that encountered snow on the ground just after the Lapstone
railway tunnel within a day of the dump. By Blackheath it
was "well over 2ft deep with many drifts that were deeper".
Snow was also claimed to have caused a train to get stuck
in a cutting on its way from Lithgow. At Cullenbenbong, which
I believe is in the Megalong or Kanimbla Valley, snow depth
was slightly less than at Blackheath. Date is noted as "the
first decent cold since 1902". So...
1902 - Kanimbla Valley "60 hard frosts in succession".
1903 - Sept. Rain came. BOR was born about then.
1904 - "Black New Year" extensive fires.
1905 - Sept. More hot weather.
1907 - 23/12 "cold rain and snow up high".
1908 - US Fleet visit.
1909 - New home in Megalong being built.
1910 - Move to Megalong. "Shivering cold".
1912 - New home being built at Lamington Plateau.
There is an extensive amount of text describing this big
snowfall about how the boys played in it, the weather at
the time being almost dead calm in the valley, the sound
of "tree bows breaking under the weight of snow high up on
the ridge", how the O'Reilly boys made "swiss rolls" to
expose grass for the cattle etc. I can only deduce the
date as being June/July/Aug in 1910 or 1911. By 1912, the
elder boys were building a new home at the Green Mountains
(Lamington Plateau - QLD). BOR talks about playing in the
snow with his elder brothers so that reliably rules out
later dates.
Blair might be able to pinpoint the event from his records.
Cheers,
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At 11:27 13/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>A bit of an oddity today arising from the extensive cloud cover in
>southern Queensland: Mt Isa was the coldest spot in the state
>overnight (equal with Mitchell), with a minimum of 8.
>
>I can't imagine this happens too often.
>
>Given the propensity of local government officials to complain
>whenever their town gets on the news as the coldest place in the
>state (personally, in Queensland I'd regard that as a plus rather
>than a minus, but then I'm not mayor of anywhere), I wonder how long
>it will be before the Mt Isa council will be writing to the Bureau to
>ask for the relocation of their instruments?
>
>I can imagine circumstances in which WA's lowest minimum on a day
>could be recorded in the Kimberley (probably at Mt Elizabeth), but
>I don't know if it has actually happened or not.
>
>Blair Trewin
Im pretty sure each winter I notice Mt Elizabeth being the lowest minimum
in the state a few times each winter when they say the extremes on the tv
weather broadcasts.
Just out of interest also, Perth recorded 4 days in a row of overcast
weather about a week ago, we didnt see the sun at all during that time,
first time that has happened in Perth since February, 1955.
Jacob
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Hello Paul
There is Satellite TV to the west coast but I don't know their
programing. I
trust Alan Humphreys says nice things about us?
Chas
Paul Graham wrote:
> Do you get Weather 21 (cable)? Allan Humphreys (presenter) always seems to
> mention Strahan...
>
> >From: Chas & Helen Osborn
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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> >Subject: aus-wx: From Strahan Tasmania
> >Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:02:53 +1000
> >
> >Hello
> >Im new to the mailing list.
> >Ive had great entertainment over the last couple of days with the storm
> >chasers!
> >I would appreciate your help because Im interested in radar sites for
> >Australia and any other Australian sites of interest to a novice.
> >
> >Chas
> >
> >ps for those trying to find Strahan we are on the west coast of Tasmania
> >at the northern end of Mcquarie Harbour in the roaring fourties with a
> >rainfall of 1700mm
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 04:07:17 +1000
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Chas from Strahan
The penal colony of Sarah Island is near the southern end of Macquarie
Harbour 27
km south of Strahan. I agree the weather on the island would be milder
than
most English weather but the working conditions of those required to
work in the
water while extracting Huon Pine would not have been desirable.
The rainfall on the island (1900 mm) is higher than Strahans 1700 mm
because it
is further inland but the temperatures are the same. I would be
interested to
know the parts of the UK with similar rainfall.
Averages for Strahan
http://www.BoM.GOV.AU/climate/averages/tables/cw_097067.shtml
Chas
Susan Puddifer wrote:
> Susan from Balmain
>
> Don't forget that those are the weather conditions that most of the criminals
> brought to australia at that time would have been used to - just another nice
> English summers day to them
>
> Susan
>
> Ben Tichborne wrote:
>
> > I remember the only time I ever visited Strahan. It was in late November
> > 1993. The day was sunny and very warm (about 27 degrees celsius max) - must
> > have been a very unusual day. I've read about that part of Tasmania having
> > a cold, wet climate. No wonder only the worst criminals were sent to the
> > penal colony there in the 1820s.
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He cartainly does Chas (this is another Paul....there are so many of us).
I am a devotee of Weather21 - it is an excellent service - if you are able
you should get it (through Austar)
Has that change hit yet?
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Thanks Jane - so you can definitely vouch for the fact that there was nothing strange in my breakfast?
Cheers,
Nandina
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> Nandina,
>
> What you saw was iridescence. I had a chat a couple of years ago to someone
> from the BoM when I spotted it (strangely enough I was just turning onto
> Stud Road off the Freeway (???)) and he'd also had a report from someone of
> the same thing out near Mt Macedon.
>
> I've only seen it once in my life, but you can strike it with altostratus
> and altocumulus - shades are usually pastel, and usually only on the cloud
> edges. It's caused by light diffraction & the colours show you where the
> droplets or ice particles are the same sizes ie: different sizes, different
> colours.
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Melbourne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nandina Morris
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:02
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
>
>
>
> Anyway - there were what looked like 2 dimensional clouds, as if someone had
> torn a corner of white paper, and stuck it to the sky. Several small
> patches like that. And 2 that I was looking at had fine pink and pale green
> edgings.
> >
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Hi Jimmy Deguara here
I know others may or will have seen this already, but there is some
interesting articles from the severe weather section of Sydney BoM.
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/
Check out the articles and links.
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Hi Chas,
Jimmy here
In terms of tornadoes in Tasmania, although I would think they are not so
common except for the winter type of tornadoes, there have been some strong
tornadoes. Is this the one you are talking about??
http://www.bom.gov.au/info/thunder/
Jimmy Deguara
>On the subject of tornadoes. 1987 a storm made a path of destruction in
>Strahan
>and continued to Queenstown 20 km away. Its all bush between the two
>towns so
>its path could be easily followed. It was before my time but I will try
>and find
>out the time of year. The lack of thunderstorms is one thing I noticed
>when I
>moved here.
>
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Sorry, Chas
The tornado occurred at Smithton on 22 November 1992
Jimmy
At 17:28 13/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Chas,
>
>Jimmy here
>
>
>In terms of tornadoes in Tasmania, although I would think they are not so
>common except for the winter type of tornadoes, there have been some strong
>tornadoes. Is this the one you are talking about??
>
>
>http://www.bom.gov.au/info/thunder/
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>>On the subject of tornadoes. 1987 a storm made a path of destruction in
>>Strahan
>>and continued to Queenstown 20 km away. Its all bush between the two
>>towns so
>>its path could be easily followed. It was before my time but I will try
>>and find
>>out the time of year. The lack of thunderstorms is one thing I noticed
>>when I
>>moved here.
>>
>>Chas
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:09:12 +1000
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Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anybody know about the "southern circumpolar wave" and how it affects
> our weather?
I've heard about this and what I understand of it can be
observed "moving" and "evolving" in my global satpic
animations over 10 days in length.
Best described as an "wave" that maps the tendency of
the movement and intensifying or reduction of weather
systems that move around the southern pole.
When I look at the animation, I could draw this wave and
map its progress over a long period. In 10 days, I'd say
the "peak" of one "lobe" was persistent for about 8 days
to the west of WA. Only in the last 2 days beginning to
move east with the weather system tracks. Another "peak"
has been persistent just to the east of NZ, growing
taller intitially, then shorter and now taller again.
In between, there is a lower peak in the region of the
Great Australian Bight with "troughs" either side of it.
Of course this could all be crap begging for correction:-)
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:24:18 +1000
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Hi John,
I recorded a torrential 1.8mm (yes, one point eight) this morning! :(
No thunder/wind...so you were quite lucky. The storms looked quite nice
on radar, especially near Beaudesrt (they copped it twice lucky so and
so's) Last nights 12z soundings weren't bad, some instability was quite
evident - however the W'lys came through and dried everything out.
There was some horrible looking Cu around today :(
Anthony from Brisbane
John Woodbridge wrote:
>
> Hi Anthony and all.
>
> Yes indeed, a surprising (well not really, the approaching line was evident
> on yesterdays sat pic), thundery this morning which woke me up at 5:30am.
> Not much action - closest strike approx 3km. Recorded 6mm in a short but
> quite intense downpour. Thereafter a min of 16.0C was recorded.
>
> The forecast NW'ter is now in force but there still seems to be plenty of
> moisture in the low levels and heaps of shear. What do the soundings look
> like Anthony?
>
> Oh Nandina, I wish I had whatever you had for breakfast...
>
> Regards,
> >snip
> Hi all,
>
> Well - a line of storms almost made it to Brisbane, had some green/pink
> in it - Beaudesert had some storms that looked much better structured.
> However as they approached Brisbane, they fell apart :( Tracker isn't
> updating unfortunately. John - did you get anything interesting out at
> Mt Crosby? It weakened just as it passed over you guys...it looks like
> a squall line actually, but we didn't get any winds here :(
>
> Maybe something later in the day? Keep hoping Anthony!
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Hi all
Jimmy Deguara here inviting all to attend the next weatherwatch meeting.
a meeting is going to be held at Macqaurie University as part of the
Weatherwatch Group meeting. This meeting will be held on 26th May, 1999 at
7:30pm in Building E5A (Room E5A-143). Please come prepared with change
for the car park which is up to $4 ($1 per hour).
The subject of the meeting is 'Recent Hail Storms'. And you guessed it. The
main topic will be the Sydney Hailstorm on the 14th of April this year that
devastated some suburbs of Sydney.
The speaker on the night will be Robb Webb from the Bureau of Meteorology
who will explain the reason for the atmospheric conditions which lead to
the development of this supercell. This meeting will be very interesting
with the opportunities for people to ask questions about this storm and
supercells in general.
For further information, contact Roger Nurse 9449 1473, Alan Williams 9488
9975 or Paul Graham 9888 2527.
Remember, you are welcome and in fact encouraged to attend what will be a
meeting full of enthusiasm. ASWA members, please turn up in force.
Jimmy Deguara
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> I've heard about this and what I understand of it can be
> observed "moving" and "evolving" in my global satpic
> animations over 10 days in length.
>
> Best described as an "wave" that maps the tendency of
> the movement and intensifying or reduction of weather
> systems that move around the southern pole.
How strongly does this "wave" affect weather patterns in the Australia/NZ
area?.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:02:25 +0100
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In message <373B14D5.58A0EEEC at tassie.net.au>, Chas & Helen Osborn
writes
>Chas from Strahan
>
>The penal colony of Sarah Island is near the southern end of Macquarie
>Harbour 27
>km south of Strahan. I agree the weather on the island would be milder
>than
>most English weather but the working conditions of those required to
>work in the
>water while extracting Huon Pine would not have been desirable.
>The rainfall on the island (1900 mm) is higher than Strahans 1700 mm
>because it
>is further inland but the temperatures are the same. I would be
>interested to
>know the parts of the UK with similar rainfall.
>Averages for Strahan
>http://www.BoM.GOV.AU/climate/averages/tables/cw_097067.shtml
>
Very few populated parts of the UK have such high annual rainfall
totals. These are mostly found in the mountainous parts of western
Scotland and the Lake District in NW England. A few examples of average
annual totals are:
Achnashellach (57 29N 5 16W) - 2058 mm
Onich (56 43N 5 13W) - 1979 mm
Ambleside (54 26N 2 57W) - 1851 mm
At the other end of the spectrum are
Clacton-on-Sea (51 47N 1 09E) - 555 mm
Felixtowe (51 57N 1 20E) - 527 mm
Herne Bay (51 22N 1 07E) - 561 mm
Average annual totals for some of the larger population centres are:
London (Kew Gardens) (51 28N 0 19W) - 593 mm
Birmingham (52 29N 1 56W) - 726 mm
York (53 57N 1 05W) - 639 mm
Edinburgh (55 55N 3 11W) - 676 mm
Glasgow (Renfrew Apt) (55 52N 4 24W) - 1109 mm
These totals look very meagre compared to east coast Aussie figures. The
big difference is the duration of rainfall. It can rain continuously for
24 hours and produce only a couple of millimetres here. Nevertheless, we
do have our moments of extreme rainfall rates during summer
thunderstorms.
Norman (ex-BOM Queensland)
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From: "bernette hudson" [bernette at primus.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Can anyone help me please with the cloud classification
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hi i am only new at this and i have there pictures of these clouds taken in Nov 98 i was wondering does anyone wanna have a look at them to tell me what cloud they are? Please reply soon please thanks i am only 15 and very interested in weather i just need some help with cloud classification
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Hi Kelly
Jimmy here. Can you tell me where are the pictures? This will allow me to look at them and therefore help you out
Jimmy Deguara
At 19:45 13/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
hi i am only new at this and i have there pictures of these clouds taken in Nov 98 i was wondering does anyone wanna have a look at them to tell me what cloud they are? Please reply soon please thanks i am only 15 and very interested in weather i just need some help with cloud classification
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hi it is kelly if you would like to see the cloud send me an e-mail and say you want to see the pictures please thanks for your help,
(they are really bumpy clouds well they look like that to me)
>From Kelly
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Hi Peter.
Nice part of the world you come from, I once looked at houses in Repton, but
getting a job in the area is another thing. Sea surface conditions can be
found at
http://www.mhl.nsw.gov.au/www/real_quick.html
but if it is cloudy forget it.
Michael
Well, you can add me to that list too.
Name Peter Tristram
Town Repton, lower Bellinger Valley, 20km south of Coffs
State NSW
Email petertri at midcoast.com.au
Phone 02 66554130
Fax 02 66554585
Had a surprising storm today, 2:30pm, at Bonville 10km south of Coffs.
Excellent convection and 16mm in 10-15 mins, after a very warm day. The low
moved by last night after lower than expected temperatures, given where it
came from, but still some chunky falls on the coast around 50-60mm
yesterday, and some local flooding as everything is saturated after previous
falls. YTD total for Repton is 1320mm.
Does anyone know where maps of local ocean temperatures can be obtained?
(Such as Eastern Australia or, closer still, the north coast of NSW!)
Peter
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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I have a picture of an iridescence at
http://thunder.simplenet.com/photo/unusual.htm
It probably looks different to the one you saw, but the same general thing.
Michael
>
> What you saw was iridescence. I had a chat a couple of years ago to
someone
> from the BoM when I spotted it (strangely enough I was just turning onto
> Stud Road off the Freeway (???)) and he'd also had a report from someone
of
> the same thing out near Mt Macedon.
>
> I've only seen it once in my life, but you can strike it with altostratus
> and altocumulus - shades are usually pastel, and usually only on the cloud
> edges. It's caused by light diffraction & the colours show you where the
> droplets or ice particles are the same sizes ie: different sizes,
different
> colours.
>
> Jane ONeill
> Bayswater, Melbourne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nandina Morris
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 10:02
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: SE QLD Wx
>
>
>
> Anyway - there were what looked like 2 dimensional clouds, as if someone
had
> torn a corner of white paper, and stuck it to the sky. Several small
> patches like that. And 2 that I was looking at had fine pink and pale
green
> edgings.
> >
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Interesting little special on SBS tonight about a French lightning chaser,
from watching the show you get the impression that lightning is not that
uncommon in certain parts of France.
Michael Thompson
http://thunder.simplenet.com
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Kelly, send the pictures to me via my e-mail
jimmyd at ozemail.com.au
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At 19:48 13/05/99 +1000, you wrote:
>
> hi it is kelly if you would like to see the cloud send me an e-mail and say
> you want to see the pictures please thanks for your help,
> (they are really bumpy clouds well they look like that to me)
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Hi every1,
I think the "southern circumpolar wave" could be a *gulp* Rossby wave...a
result of gravity and the Earth's rotation...something to do with
conservation of the Earth's angular momentum. I've been interested in them
for years as these "long" upper-atmospheric waves drive the systems beneath
them (as to direction)...any other ideas anyone? :)
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 18:09:12 +1000
>
>Mark Hardy wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Does anybody know about the "southern circumpolar wave" and how it
>affects
> > our weather?
>
>I've heard about this and what I understand of it can be
>observed "moving" and "evolving" in my global satpic
>animations over 10 days in length.
>
>Best described as an "wave" that maps the tendency of
>the movement and intensifying or reduction of weather
>systems that move around the southern pole.
>
>When I look at the animation, I could draw this wave and
>map its progress over a long period. In 10 days, I'd say
>the "peak" of one "lobe" was persistent for about 8 days
>to the west of WA. Only in the last 2 days beginning to
>move east with the weather system tracks. Another "peak"
>has been persistent just to the east of NZ, growing
>taller intitially, then shorter and now taller again.
>In between, there is a lower peak in the region of the
>Great Australian Bight with "troughs" either side of it.
>
>Of course this could all be crap begging for correction:-)
>
>Michael Scollay mailto:michael.scollay at telstra.com.au
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:01:57 +1000
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Hi Mark,
I've leant this book to some one at the moment, but it *may* contain
what you're looking for, I cannot remember though...it's called "The
Climate of Australia and New Zealand" - John, can you look in the index
and see if it has anything on southern circumpolar waves?
Anthony
Mark Hardy wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> Does anybody know about the "southern circumpolar wave" and how it affects
> our weather?
>
> thanks, Mark
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:04:34 +1000
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Hi Blair,
I believe there's been arguments put out about the Mt Isa site...or some
town near there. Something about the stevenson screen being placed too
close to a pond/waterfall - thus giving warmer min temps in winter, and
giving cooler max temps in summer...quite weird really...when they moved
the site, they actually got cooler max temps...whether this was wx
related, I'm not sure.
Anthony
Blair Trewin wrote:
>
> A bit of an oddity today arising from the extensive cloud cover in
> southern Queensland: Mt Isa was the coldest spot in the state
> overnight (equal with Mitchell), with a minimum of 8.
>
> I can't imagine this happens too often.
>
> Given the propensity of local government officials to complain
> whenever their town gets on the news as the coldest place in the
> state (personally, in Queensland I'd regard that as a plus rather
> than a minus, but then I'm not mayor of anywhere), I wonder how long
> it will be before the Mt Isa council will be writing to the Bureau to
> ask for the relocation of their instruments?
>
> I can imagine circumstances in which WA's lowest minimum on a day
> could be recorded in the Kimberley (probably at Mt Elizabeth), but
> I don't know if it has actually happened or not.
>
> Blair Trewin
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Hi Kelly,
Are they scanned? If so - send them to me (privately) at
cyclone at rmitel.com.au - don't send them to the list, they'll just bounce
off the message server.
As for cloud classification you might want to try:
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/cloud.html
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/index.html
http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/guides/mtr/cld/home.rxml
Hope this helps you,
Anthony
> bernette hudson wrote:
>
> hi i am only new at this and i have there pictures of these clouds
> taken in Nov 98 i was wondering does anyone wanna have a look at them
> to tell me what cloud they are? Please reply soon please thanks i am
> only 15 and very interested in weather i just need some help with
> cloud classification
> >From Kelly
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:25:34 +1000
From: Chas & Helen Osborn [hosborn at tassie.net.au]
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Hello Andrew
Strahan is a very interesting place for weather all year round.
In the summer we can have very active cold fronts. We where worried
about the
sailors in the Sydney to Hobart fleet from the gale that blew through
here
before it carried on wreak havoc off the NSW coast. Some of the
Cyclones that
decay off Western Australia have combined with cold fronts. A tree in
our back
yard went down this summer from the first of the cyclones (I forget its
name).
Drizzle produces wispy clouds on the hills around the harbour that puts
you in
another world especially when you combine it with (still) mirror like
tannin
stained water. In late summer we can have sea fog. Every month but in
different
years there is snow on the higher peaks. Around the equinox we have
gales but
we missed out as the last equinox was just a short burst but the spring
equinoctial gales are usually the strongest.
OBSERVATIONS: 9pm Thursday
CAPE SORELL WIND NNW 22KT
** WAVERIDER SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT 3.2m
MAXIMUM HEIGHT OVER THE PAST 3 HRS 5.2m
AVERAGE PERIOD 8 s
The wind picked up around 8pm we now have short sharp showers the cold
front is expected to pass overnight but its not expected to get cold
till tomorrow night.
Chas
Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> Sounds like a great spot for weather, which I guess would be expected on
> the W coast of Tas. Surely some of the winter weather you get would make up
> to some extent for the quiter times in summer...
>
> --
> Andrew Miskelly
> Illawarra/Southern Tablelands, NSW
>
> ----------
> > From: Chas & Helen Osborn
> > To: Australian Weather Mailing List
> > Subject: aus-wx: Thanks for making me welcome
> > Date: Thursday, 13 May 1999 9:18
> >
> > Many thanks for making me welcome and to Jimmy for the Australian
> > Severe
> > Weather site, there is so many of the links, to sites, I was looking
> > for.
> >
> > Here in Strahan we have had a warm front over us, this produced a
> > constant but
> > very light rain that just registered in the rain gauge, the winds are
> > light.
> > This is the calm before the storm which is heading our way from the
> > Southern
> > Ocean, a cold front with strong to gale force winds Friday, with a very
> > cold
> > south westerly change Saturday with our first lot of highland snow for
> > the
> > month. It usually doesn't snow in Strahan at sea level, we usually get
> > soft
> > hale in the cold stream behind the front, but the roads out have snow
> > when its
> > down to 600m and blocked south to Hobart down to 400m and north to
> > Burnie down
> > to 300m (usually once a year we are cut off).
> >
> > On the subject of tornadoes. 1987 a storm made a path of destruction in
> > Strahan
> > and continued to Queenstown 20 km away. Its all bush between the two
> > towns so
> > its path could be easily followed. It was before my time but I will try
> > and find
> > out the time of year. The lack of thunderstorms is one thing I noticed
> > when I
> > moved here.
> >
> > Chas
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Hi Matthew and everyone,
I will as soon as I get the film processed. By the way: when sending mail
to me, could you please send it to my marconi account (ie.
paul at marconi.mpce.mq.edu.au) rather than this hotmail account since I don't
get a chance to read every message otherwise.
Cheers,
Paul.
>From: "Matthew Piper"
>To:
>Subject: Photos taken at the last ASWA meeting
>Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 19:39:52 +1000
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>I would be very grateful if you could scan the photos and send them to me
>so
>I can put them up on the web.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matthew Piper
>
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