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001 "Mech101" [grimwired at ozemail.com.au] Newcastle Storm
002 "Ryan Leeman" [grimwired at ozemail.com.au] Newcastle Storm
003 Jacob [jacob at iinet.net.au] Frequent lightning in Perth
004 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Channel 7 grills BOM
005 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm
006 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney storm
007 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Current wx
008 "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au] Orange Weather
009 "Craig Williams" [tincra at ecn.net.au] Re: Noosa Rain Totals
010 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm
011 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Pictures of Illawarra Storm - some lowerings
012 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney storm
013 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm
014 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Sydney storm
015 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm
016 vortex at wwdg.com BOM Website
017 vortex at wwdg.com Channel 7 grills BOM
018 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] BOM Website
019 vortex at wwdg.com BOM Website
020 vortex at wwdg.com BOM Website
021 vortex at wwdg.com BOM Website
022 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Channel 7 grills BOM
023 "Jane ONeill" [cadence at rubix.net.au] BOM Website
024 Michael_Bath at amp.com.au photos from the Sydney storm/ telegraph
025 vortex at wwdg.com Sat pic
026 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] BOM Website
027 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
028 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] BOM Website
029 Michael_Bath at amp.com.au Sat pic
030 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney Supercell
031 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
032 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Channel 7 grills BOM
033 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Storm News article and radar
034 John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net] Sydney Supercell
035 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Channel 7 grills BOM
036 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au On a lighter note..........
037 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] New storms??
038 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au New storms??
039 "James Crouch" [jacrouch at AODC.gov.au] Sydney storm
040 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney storm
041 "James Crouch" [jacrouch at AODC.gov.au] Sydney storm
042 "Chris Gribben" [chrisgribben at hotmail.com] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
043 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Another cell
044 Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au Sydney storm
045 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] Sydney storm
046 "James Crouch" [jacrouch at AODC.gov.au] Sydney storm
047 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Another cell update
048 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk On a lighter note..........
049 Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU] Another cell update
050 Phil Bagust [paisley at cobweb.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
051 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
052 "Chris Gribben" [chrisgribben at hotmail.com] From the ninemsn website
053 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
054 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
055 Ira Fehlberg [jra at upnaway.com] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
056 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
057 Bodie_27 at postmaster.co.uk Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
058 Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
059 Andrew Wall [astroman at wantree.com.au] Attention South Australians!!!!
060 Chris Maunder [cmaunder at dynamite.com.au] From the ninemsn website
061 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Sydney Storm (April 14)
062 Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
063 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
064 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
065 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
066 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell
067 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
068 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm
069 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] photos from the Sydney storm/ telegraph
070 "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au] Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
071 Matt Smith [disarm at braenet.com.au] Sydney Storm Photos
072 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm pic
073 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
074 "Paul Graham" [v_notch at hotmail.com] Emergency Siren
075 "Chris Gribben" [chrisgribben at hotmail.com] Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
076 Andrew Wall [astroman at wantree.com.au] Sydney storm pic
077 Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au] Sydney storm pic
078 "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au] Sydney Supercell 14/4
079 DavidC at thevortex.com Giant Sydney hail in the freezer
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001
From: "Mech101" [grimwired at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Newcastle Storm
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:13:50 +0800
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A cell has just made it's way up to Newcastle but appears to be dying out.
Still, at 12:00am it's an unexpected visitor.
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From: "Ryan Leeman" [grimwired at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Newcastle Storm
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:22:03 +0800
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BTW that message was sent by Ryan Leeman, yes I'm changing my Email account details now :)
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Subject: aus-wx: Frequent lightning in Perth
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There was frequent lightning in Perth tonight between 5:30pm and 8pm,
bringing lots of rain and thunder.
It was amazing how these storms developed, they just exploded, going for
barley nothing to green and pink on radar in 20 mins just to the NW of Perth.
Jacob
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Channel 7 grills BOM
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 02:13:19 +1000
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Hi Michael,
>From the late news reports it sure looks like a blinder. The full extent
won't be known until tomorrow, but I would be thinking that a hell of a lot
of car damage at least could have been avoided by some early warnings and
clearly the BoM had 4 hours to think about it plus have the benefit of
radar. A warning is just that. No one gets a red face if nothing then
eventuates. And anyway, why have a spotter network if the BoM is going to
ignore the advice?? Me thinks that introducing ASWA to Ch 7 might be more
somewhat more profitable than the BoM.
John W.
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From: Michael Thompson [SMTP:michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 1999 23:46
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Subject: aus-wx: Channel 7 grills BOM
Just watched a the late night news. The channel 7 news person spoke to a
Evan ...... from the Bureau. She grilled him as to why was there not a
warning issued, he said that he had had reports earlier of hail in
Wollongong ( who could that of been ? ), but this storm had moved out to
sea
and that a second cell formed near Bundeena. Not the way I saw it, it was
the same cell as the one that moved thru Shellharbour at 5.30, it just keep
backbuilding. It may have been a supercell similar to the north coast job
earlier this season.
By the way, I DID NOT ring any media, I am not that stupid, although I am
annoyed ( not at the damage, but at not being taken seriously ) I still
want
to preserve what little relationship us NSW chasers have with the Sydney
BOM.
Insurance companies are already saying at least $300 million damage.
Michael Thompson
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney storm
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Hi every1,
Jimmy here. Looks like a late night for a few. I can say one thing, this
Sydney storm was one that was coming as Sydney insurance companies have not
had a major disaster for a good 7 years or so. There have been resonable
payouts but not in this scale since then. I disagree with the media saying
this is the worst storm in living memory in Australia but it is significant
storm.
This storm was observed by Michael Thompson on his back doorstep, myself
here from Sydney and Michael Bath on the way home. Even though it exploded,
it seemed to be moving off the coast but we could see back building. Now
after this, cloud vovercovered my view and it was the lightning activity
direction that gave things away that the back building was still occurring
although Michael T would have had a much better view of it from the S. I
was on the way to a meeting which I intended to attend rain, hail or shine.
And this is what happens. I am damn sick of having to cancel plans every
time I make them. We had one of the worst seasons I can remember and I was
ready for anything then. So I just went with indecision on the way, should
I keep going... Michael B was wondering what the hell is Jimmy doing. And I
had several other phone calls wondering the same thing. It was spectacle
that I suppose I missed but was expecting to take a little longer to
arrive. The stuff that did arrive, I was easily home for but the
'supercell' was already off the coast. I was treated with some very loud
deafening thunder and the lights dimmed out 3 times for about 10 -15
seconds at a time.
This storm reminds me of the storm on the north coast that seemed to want
to head off the coast though kept moving along the coast. The size of the
hail BTW and I have some good footage from the news about were cricket ball
sized and a lot of roofs were smashed, cars damaged etc.
I am very pleased to see that an ASWA member rang the Bureau about the
storm near Shellharbour. I will be ringing the Bureau to see what happened
and get a few more details on the situation. I will give feedback later.
Jimmy Deguara
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Firstly the footage on Today this morning was amazing. The interview with
the SES woman was even better. That hail was the size of cricket balls
almost softballs!! Man that was huge!! BUT WHERE WAS THE BOM????? That
would have definitely been visible on radar and they could have used that
warning siren they have to try to at least save some property damage.
Issuing a warning after the storm has savaged the City is a bit late in my
books.
Its great to See Michael T so worked up!! Keep it going Michael. Lets hope
that your enthusiasm and angst over this storm spreads - I for one are
behind you all the way. ASWA - its time to take a stand! Its time to stand
up and be counted. The BOm had a phone call warning of the severity of the
storm BUT not only that the sudden instability that was around. Surely that
warranted some inquiring into didn't it?
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Interesting weather here now. Explosive development just off the Coast (obv
the cooler air is making its impact felt)......maybe some possibility here
this afternoon? I hope so.
By the way I hope all ASWA people are ok this morning in Sydney and that
they enjoyed the spectacular show!
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From: "Terry Bishop" [dymprog at mpx.com.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Orange Weather
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:09:28 +1000
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Hi All,
Condolences to those on the list who suffered from the hail storm. Those
storms we can do without. I suffered car and house damage in the big one we
had in Orange a few years ago.
Yet another glorious Autumn day in Orange. 100% blue sky.
At 09.00 12C, 53%, 1021, WSW 0-5 Knots.
Terry.
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From: "Craig Williams" [tincra at ecn.net.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Noosa Rain Totals
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:08:34 +1000
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Hi,
As requested 20 klms northeast of noosa total rainfall from 1 April 98 to 31
March 99 = 2334mm
February 1999:
Monday 1st.......109mm
Tuesday 2nd......202mm
Wednesday 3rd....11mm
Thursday 4th........11mm
Friday 5th..............2mm
Saturday 6th........not read
Sunday 7th..........not read
Monday 8th.........117mm
Tuesday 9th........300mm + Gauge overflowed, at a guess about 312mm
!!!!!!!
Wednesday 10th....7mm
Thursday 11th........3mm
Friday 12th............7mm
Saturday 13th.......not read
Sunday 14th.........not read
Monday 15th..........5mm
Tuesday 16th.........0mm
Wednesday 17th....0mm
Thursday 18th........0mm
Friday 19th............7mm
Saturday 20th.......2mm
Sunday 21st.........not read
Monday 22nd........0mm
Tuesday 23rd........0mm
Wednesday 24th...0mm
Thursday 25th......18mm
Friday 26th..........14mm
Saturday 27th......not read
Sunday 28th........42mm.
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Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:45 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Re: Noosa Rain Totals
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>Haha.....yeah.....oh well. That would mean his 12 month figures from say
>March last year to march this year would be close to 2500mm wouldnt it?
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Hi Jimmy Deguara
We must keep our comments low key at this stage so that we can do things in
the proper manner please Paul.
Jimmy Deguara
At 17:55 17/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
>
>
>Firstly the footage on Today this morning was amazing. The interview with
>the SES woman was even better. That hail was the size of cricket balls
>almost softballs!! Man that was huge!! BUT WHERE WAS THE BOM????? That
>would have definitely been visible on radar and they could have used that
>warning siren they have to try to at least save some property damage.
>Issuing a warning after the storm has savaged the City is a bit late in my
>books.
>
>Its great to See Michael T so worked up!! Keep it going Michael. Lets hope
>that your enthusiasm and angst over this storm spreads - I for one are
>behind you all the way. ASWA - its time to take a stand! Its time to stand
>up and be counted. The BOm had a phone call warning of the severity of the
>storm BUT not only that the sudden instability that was around. Surely that
>warranted some inquiring into didn't it?
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Stunning shots Michael!
Sounds like a few of you guys had a big night - Damn I wish I was there to
join in the fun (at a distance - the hail and Cg's looked like they meant
business)
Crazy weather! Looking forward to seeing the pics tonight.
Chris
At 20:53 14/04/99 , you wrote:
> >http://thunder.simplenet.com/140499.htm
>
>What do everyone think ? Things happened so quickly at this stage, I was
>under huge pine trees near the top of Mt Warrigal, to be honest I got about
>two minutes of video before I got driven into the car by lightning then the
>rain hit .
>
>
>Michael Thompson
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Unfortunately Jimmy...we dont live in Yugoslavia or Russia etc...and this
is a list were peoples comments are welcome.
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Hi Paul
I am glad you noticed and fully understand.
Jimmy Deguara
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BoM is getting grilled on JJJ at the moment :)
(9:42AM)
At 09:13 15/04/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy Deguara
>
>We must keep our comments low key at this stage so that we can do things in
>the proper manner please Paul.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>
>At 17:55 17/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>Firstly the footage on Today this morning was amazing. The interview with
>>the SES woman was even better. That hail was the size of cricket balls
>>almost softballs!! Man that was huge!! BUT WHERE WAS THE BOM????? That
>>would have definitely been visible on radar and they could have used that
>>warning siren they have to try to at least save some property damage.
>>Issuing a warning after the storm has savaged the City is a bit late in my
>>books.
>>
>>Its great to See Michael T so worked up!! Keep it going Michael. Lets hope
>>that your enthusiasm and angst over this storm spreads - I for one are
>>behind you all the way. ASWA - its time to take a stand! Its time to stand
>>up and be counted. The BOm had a phone call warning of the severity of the
>>storm BUT not only that the sudden instability that was around. Surely that
>>warranted some inquiring into didn't it?
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At 19:00 17/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
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Either it's me or is the Bureau site down. I've checked 3 seperate computers and nothing???
Great to see some action in Sydney last night......wonder when it's gonna happen here....not likely.
Michael, great shots of the storm from your point. I still can't understand why it wasn't picked up by the BOM though.
Paul.
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John Woodbridge wrote:
'snip'
but I would be thinking that a hell of a lot of car damage at least could have been avoided by some early warnings and clearly the BoM had 4 hours to think about it plus have the benefit of radar. A warning is just that.'snip
I agree with the above statement. The Bureau was informed about 4 hours ahead from memory, and still didn't act on it, even when they had a radar service. Isn't the Doppler in Sydney working from memory???
'snip' And anyway, why have a spotter network if the BoM is going to ignore the advice?? 'snip'
The spotter network exists so that if the Bureau doesn't pick anything up, then they can rely on the Spotters to report.....but this should have been visible on radar at least.....
'snip'
Me thinks that introducing ASWA to Ch 7 might be more somewhat more profitable than the BoM.'snip'
Bad move...then the Bureau probably wouldn't take us seriously and completely destroy what relationship ASWA has with the Bureau. They would probably think we were only in it for money and wouldn't take us seriously.
Well, just my thoughts anyhow.
Paul.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM Website
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> Either it's me or is the Bureau site down. I've checked 3 seperate computers and nothing???
It was down for an hour or so this morning. It's back up now, at least
internally (and as it was a scheduled outage I have no reason to
believe that it wouldn't be up externally as well).
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Well, i finally got in, but the NSW radars havent been updated for over an hour. Could there have been damage done to them in the sydney storm?
Paul.
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Actually, I think it's to do with the BOM as Vic hasn't been updated either.
Paul.
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Thanks Blair...Seems to be working fine now.
Paul.
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Channel 7 grills BOM
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As a Bureau employee I've obviously got to be careful about what I
say in this forum (suffice it to say that the storm and the forecast
performance is quite a talking point around the office this morning...)
I did have a look at the NSW/ACT Severe Thunderstorm Directive (this
is the policy document for issuing warnings/advices). There were a
couple of pertinent points. Probably the most significant is that a
Severe Weather Summary is supposed to be prepared very quickly (for
forwarding to BoM senior staff, and if it's a severe enough event -
which this certainly is - a ministerial briefing). This is supposed
to contain, among other things, a candid assessment of the adequacy
and timeliness (or lack thereof) of warnings and advices for the
event. In other words, something like this won't get brushed under
the carpet. Also, if I interpret the directive correctly, the
dedicated Severe Weather staffing (as opposed to regular forecasting
staff) only operates from October to March - which seems a bit odd
to me, as there have certainly been severe storms in NSW/ACT in
April and September before (remember Armidale 1996?) - I would have
thought that there would be provision for extras to be called in out
of season, but I couldn't find any reference to it (which may simply
mean a procedure exists but isn't documented).
As to what ASWA can do - the most significant way is for as many as
possible to register as storm spotters. (I expect many on this list
are registered anyway, but that many aren't). Quite apart from anything
else, the Bureau is likely to take a report from a registered spotter
more seriously than one from a member of the general public.
Blair Trewin
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BoM had a hardware upgrade organised for this morning between approx 9 and
10am. This explains the outage the non-updating that you've found.
Jane
ASWA rep - Victoria
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Just got my first set of prints, but as per bloody usual these frig'n auto
digital labs printed the entire batch way too light - it looks like
daytime! I'll have to get them all redone so I will not have them online
today, except maybe one or two.
What a pain. If you try explaining what you want to the shops they still
stuff it up!
If you haven't already, get todays Sydney Telegraph - on page 4 is a
beautiful colour radar shot taken about 7.50pm - classic supercell
signature (I will scan it later for everyone to see). It would be nice to
see the full sequence and some doppler shots.
Michael
mbath at ozemail.com.au
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From: vortex at wwdg.com
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:45:18 -0600
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Hey All.
Just looking at the CSIRO sat pics and found the storm that hit Sydney. Check it out.
http://www.marine.csiro.au/~lband/storm/199904141630.html
Paul Yole
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From: John Woodbridge [jrw at pixelcom.net]
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:04:49 +1000
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Maybe that's why they didn't see it coming, it got there first he he.
(Just joking)
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Well, i finally got in, but the NSW radars havent been updated for over an
hour. Could there have been damage done to them in the sydney storm?
Paul.
Paul Yole
2 McDonald Street
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Hi Everyone
This storm certainly seemed to take most people by surprise.
>From the reports I have heard on both radio and television, there
seems to be some sensationalised reporting about how Sydney has
never suffered a hailstorm of this proportion - obviously forgetting
the March 1990 storm which brought similar sized hail and then again
in January 1991.
Aside from this, the Bureau of Meteorology has received a lot of
critism as far as I can judge. One of the duty forecasters
interviewed on talkback radio last night was unable to answer questions
as to why no warning was issued. It looks like a public-relations
nightmare.
This morning Steve Symmonds explained on ABC radio in Sydney that
the very rapid development of the supercell meant it was impossible
to issue a warning in time for people to seek protection, further commenting that even if a warning had been issued, many people may not have been informed in any case. - Paul G.
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I would have thought that on a morning like today the BoM would have postponed
the upgrade because every man and his dog would be checking out the site for
info and readings on last night's event.
Chris
At 10:47 15/04/99 , you wrote:
>BoM had a hardware upgrade organised for this morning between approx 9 and
>10am. This explains the outage the non-updating that you've found.
>
>Jane
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You should check the image prior to that one taken around 19990414 0700z
(5pm yesterday) - it shows the genesis of the storm near Wollongong.
regards,
Michael Bath
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Hey All.
Just looking at the CSIRO sat pics and found the storm that hit Sydney.
Check it out.
http://www.marine.csiro.au/~lband/storm/199904141630.html
Paul Yole
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I have just been talking with Jimmy. We need to remember that constructive
criticism is welcome on this list. The Sydney BOM office let Sydney down
last night. The reason why is not quite sure yet. Whatever the reason,
storms are back on the agenda for many people in Sydney, and possibly
Australia wide. What we can do now is bring up ASWA. Tell people there are
ways to learn about severe storms, get involved in protecting themself and
not relying on others all the time. Harness the thirst for knowledge. Tell
them that we have a society that is set around severe weather, talking
about it, finding why it may have happened, and educating to help prevent
the type of incident from happening again. This is our chance to raise the
awareness of aswa with people you know.
Paul
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Hi Paul G...one comment - what about that blasted warning siren they are
suposed to use?
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Hi Guys,
I think you may be taking my comments the wrong way a little. I was not
suggesting that we should contact the media in order to blow raspberries at
the BoM. And I certainly agree that if possible we want to be hooked in
with the BoM rather being seen as some kind of irresponsible rogue
organisation. But at the end of the day this can only be achieved by
gaining mutual respect. Frankly, I'd like to see a significant number of
BoM staff become ASWA members.
In the longer term, an ASWA objective discussed at the QLD meetings, is to
help inform the public generally. Therefore I see no reason why we should
not publicise ourselves and become known to the media. If media contact
is handled professionally and perhaps through a formal channel (e.g., state
reps), I believe it will help promote our activities. For example, a post
storm media interview with a senior ASWA member would yield far more
accurate & educational information than current interviews with the general
public, which yield comments such as "It was like a mini-tornado"....
Regards.
John W.
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John Woodbridge wrote:
'snip'
but I would be thinking that a hell of a lot of car damage at least could
have been avoided by some early warnings and clearly the BoM had 4 hours to
think about it plus have the benefit of radar. A warning is just
that.'snip
I agree with the above statement. The Bureau was informed about 4 hours
ahead from memory, and still didn't act on it, even when they had a radar
service. Isn't the Doppler in Sydney working from memory???
'snip' And anyway, why have a spotter network if the BoM is going to
ignore the advice?? 'snip'
The spotter network exists so that if the Bureau doesn't pick anything up,
then they can rely on the Spotters to report.....but this should have been
visible on radar at least.....
'snip'
Me thinks that introducing ASWA to Ch 7 might be more somewhat more
profitable than the BoM.'snip'
Bad move...then the Bureau probably wouldn't take us seriously and
completely destroy what relationship ASWA has with the Bureau. They would
probably think we were only in it for money and wouldn't take us seriously.
Well, just my thoughts anyhow.
Paul.
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm News article and radar
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Gosh I am slow these days but I am not used to expanding animations and
took a little to do it.
The radar are and the brief report are up.
http://www.australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/storm_news/index.html
I have been a little critical I can say but I believe that ASWA has to be
heard and given higher priority than your average storm spotter. That's my
view
Jimmy Deguara
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell
I have just been talking with Jimmy. We need to remember that constructive
criticism is welcome on this list. The Sydney BOM office let Sydney down
last night. The reason why is not quite sure yet. Whatever the reason,
storms are back on the agenda for many people in Sydney, and possibly
Australia wide. What we can do now is bring up ASWA. Tell people there are
ways to learn about severe storms, get involved in protecting themself and
not relying on others all the time. Harness the thirst for knowledge. Tell
them that we have a society that is set around severe weather, talking
about it, finding why it may have happened, and educating to help prevent
the type of incident from happening again. This is our chance to raise the
awareness of aswa with people you know.
Paul
Secretary.
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spot on John!!
John Woodbridge on 15/04/99 12:17:22
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Hi Guys,
I think you may be taking my comments the wrong way a little. I was not
suggesting that we should contact the media in order to blow raspberries at
the BoM. And I certainly agree that if possible we want to be hooked in
with the BoM rather being seen as some kind of irresponsible rogue
organisation. But at the end of the day this can only be achieved by
gaining mutual respect. Frankly, I'd like to see a significant number of
BoM staff become ASWA members.
In the longer term, an ASWA objective discussed at the QLD meetings, is to
help inform the public generally. Therefore I see no reason why we should
not publicise ourselves and become known to the media. If media contact
is handled professionally and perhaps through a formal channel (e.g., state
reps), I believe it will help promote our activities. For example, a post
storm media interview with a senior ASWA member would yield far more
accurate & educational information than current interviews with the general
public, which yield comments such as "It was like a mini-tornado"....
Regards.
John W.
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John Woodbridge wrote:
'snip'
but I would be thinking that a hell of a lot of car damage at least could
have been avoided by some early warnings and clearly the BoM had 4 hours to
think about it plus have the benefit of radar. A warning is just
that.'snip
I agree with the above statement. The Bureau was informed about 4 hours
ahead from memory, and still didn't act on it, even when they had a radar
service. Isn't the Doppler in Sydney working from memory???
'snip' And anyway, why have a spotter network if the BoM is going to
ignore the advice?? 'snip'
The spotter network exists so that if the Bureau doesn't pick anything up,
then they can rely on the Spotters to report.....but this should have been
visible on radar at least.....
'snip'
Me thinks that introducing ASWA to Ch 7 might be more somewhat more
profitable than the BoM.'snip'
Bad move...then the Bureau probably wouldn't take us seriously and
completely destroy what relationship ASWA has with the Bureau. They would
probably think we were only in it for money and wouldn't take us seriously.
Well, just my thoughts anyhow.
Paul.
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Subject: aus-wx: On a lighter note..........
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Hey at least we arnt hearing abour Brisbane for a change!
:-B
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Hi there,
Jimmy here.
The Hunter is just starting to fire and a major storm is located to the
north northwest of Richmond. Interesting afternoon ahead.
Too much haze so I cannot properly report the storm and I would assume that
is on their radar and so forth.
Jimmy Deguara
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Hey Jimmy. Not much happening here - towers are going up left right and
centre but need something to spark them along somewhat.
But its warm enough to try! Wish something would happen!!
Still decent action off the coast.
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From: "James Crouch" [jacrouch at AODC.gov.au]
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Everyone has a story....
Rushcutters Bay.
I had about two minutes warning - you could hear a distant roar - I didn't
know what it was at first - and it just got louder and louder. It was about
9:35.
Things started breaking as soon as the first isolated hail stones began
falling, neighbours windows, roof tiles, that sort of thing. The roar was
quite loud, but still distant, for a moment it sounded like "things" were
falling out of the sky and I actually feared for a few seconds that it was
debris, not ice!!
Anyway, the tiles on my roof were taking a pounding, ceiling plaster was
flaking off all over (I guess a combination of hail and tile impacts).
There was nothing I could do, and I didn't have a view, so I went down to
the street and sat with a few neighbours and watched as 2&1/2 inch
hailstones slammed into the footpath. I couldn't see much in the way of
cloud (well, 8ST050) but there was lightning every 2-3 seconds. The
Bayswater Rd was empty, and covered in a 2inch layer of ice (ice was still
piled up in corners 3 hours later).
The heaviest hail lasted about 10-15minutes and then it rained (showered,
whatever) until 2ish. That was the killer. I drilled a few holes in my
ceiling where it was sagging the worst (and until I ran out of pots and
pans) and then checked my neighbours. I wasn't the worst, the girl across
the landing was. She had a 2-3lt/min flow from the light in her kitchen for
a while, and sundry other leaks of various flow rates. (I climbed up into
the ceiling,... there are at least 300 tiles shattered or cracked, you
could see the sky through all over the place.)
Then, once they'd isolated her power and we'd drilled holes in other peoples
ceilings, I went and checked my car. It's a Daihatsu Feroza. The bonnet is
trashed 20 odd (4-5cm dents) and one of the rear side windows was completely
smashed - with a bit of resultant water damage. Not so bad, I haven't got
onto AAMI yet so I have no idea when it'll have a chance to get fixed up.
Mean time I guess that I'm up for driving on storm chases!
Had a pleasant night's sleep on cushions in the hallway, that was the only
place that didn't have leaks!! I wonder if they've fixed the roof yet,
anyone seen a forecast for tonight?....
Jim
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Jim - that is one of the best stories I have read for a long time! well
done!! I hope that your inconvenience doesnt last too long.
Regards Paul.
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Define best....
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>
>
> Jim - that is one of the best stories I have read for a long time! well
> done!! I hope that your inconvenience doesnt last too long.
>
> Regards Paul.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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I don't agree with what Steve Symmonds said at all. The guys on IRC
who have radar access were saying that the radar was in the red from
Wollongong, basically from when Michael Thompson reported hail to
them. I took around 45 mins to an hour for the storm to get to
Sydney, during which time the storm did not weaken. It will be
interesting to see what happens out of all of this. Jimmy is right
too, we can't go around abusing the BoM too much, we know they
stuffed up and they do too. Much better to ask "nicely" what happened
so as to keep AWSA's relationship with the BoM on good terms.
Chris
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>Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:06:59 PDT
>
>Hi Everyone
>This storm certainly seemed to take most people by surprise.
>From the reports I have heard on both radio and television, there
>seems to be some sensationalised reporting about how Sydney has
>never suffered a hailstorm of this proportion - obviously forgetting
>the March 1990 storm which brought similar sized hail and then again
>in January 1991.
>Aside from this, the Bureau of Meteorology has received a lot of
>critism as far as I can judge. One of the duty forecasters
>interviewed on talkback radio last night was unable to answer
questions
>as to why no warning was issued. It looks like a public-relations
>nightmare.
>This morning Steve Symmonds explained on ABC radio in Sydney that
>the very rapid development of the supercell meant it was impossible
>to issue a warning in time for people to seek protection, further
commenting that even if a warning had been issued, many people may
not have been informed in any case. - Paul G.
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Hi Jimmy here again
Another cell now popping through the haze to the SW-S.
The right time of day for this type of development. Unsure of its
development potential but we will keep every1 updated.
Jimmy Deguara
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Best = makes you feel part of the situation, makes you want to read it to
the end, makes me feel like I am there with you...hearing the hail punding
on the roof.....seeing the flash of light. etc. etc.
Contains the details that I want....size of hail - very descriptive.
Is that enough?
Regards, Paul.
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Hey James,
Thanks for the story. It really bring home the idea that while storms
are fascinating, almost hypnotic, they can really make life a mess.
Baseball sized hail stones are completely amazing, but I guess those
of us who didn't actually go through it can tend to forget that there
are probably a lot of wrecked furniture, glass cuts and trashed cars
out there today.
Hope things get back to normal soon, and let hope there's no rain
tonight!
cheers,
Chris
At 14:41 15/04/99 , you wrote:
>
>Everyone has a story....
>
>Rushcutters Bay.
>
>I had about two minutes warning - you could hear a distant roar - I didn't
>know what it was at first - and it just got louder and louder. It was about
>9:35.
>
>Things started breaking as soon as the first isolated hail stones began
>falling, neighbours windows, roof tiles, that sort of thing. The roar was
>quite loud, but still distant, for a moment it sounded like "things" were
>falling out of the sky and I actually feared for a few seconds that it was
>debris, not ice!!
>
>Anyway, the tiles on my roof were taking a pounding, ceiling plaster was
>flaking off all over (I guess a combination of hail and tile impacts).
>There was nothing I could do, and I didn't have a view, so I went down to
>the street and sat with a few neighbours and watched as 2&1/2 inch
>hailstones slammed into the footpath. I couldn't see much in the way of
>cloud (well, 8ST050) but there was lightning every 2-3 seconds. The
>Bayswater Rd was empty, and covered in a 2inch layer of ice (ice was still
>piled up in corners 3 hours later).
>
>The heaviest hail lasted about 10-15minutes and then it rained (showered,
>whatever) until 2ish. That was the killer. I drilled a few holes in my
>ceiling where it was sagging the worst (and until I ran out of pots and
>pans) and then checked my neighbours. I wasn't the worst, the girl across
>the landing was. She had a 2-3lt/min flow from the light in her kitchen for
>a while, and sundry other leaks of various flow rates. (I climbed up into
>the ceiling,... there are at least 300 tiles shattered or cracked, you
>could see the sky through all over the place.)
>
>Then, once they'd isolated her power and we'd drilled holes in other peoples
>ceilings, I went and checked my car. It's a Daihatsu Feroza. The bonnet is
>trashed 20 odd (4-5cm dents) and one of the rear side windows was completely
>smashed - with a bit of resultant water damage. Not so bad, I haven't got
>onto AAMI yet so I have no idea when it'll have a chance to get fixed up.
>Mean time I guess that I'm up for driving on storm chases!
>
>Had a pleasant night's sleep on cushions in the hallway, that was the only
>place that didn't have leaks!! I wonder if they've fixed the roof yet,
>anyone seen a forecast for tonight?....
>
>Jim
>
>
>
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From: "James Crouch" [jacrouch at AODC.gov.au]
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Chris and Paul...
> Best = etc....
In that case it's my pleasure.
>they can really make life a mess.
Yeah, its a major pain, my car is booked in for a quote - June 15!!!
ahhhhhh.... fire alarm - that's all I need!!!
Later
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Radar apparently inmdicates pink in the cell SW of Sydney but the haze and
a little cumulus cloud patches is blocking my bloody view.
Will see what happens
Jimmy Deguara
At 15:34 15/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy here again
>
>Another cell now popping through the haze to the SW-S.
>
>The right time of day for this type of development. Unsure of its
>development potential but we will keep every1 updated.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
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Hey..
Yep - looks look we're back to "Sydney is all you ever hear about" again
Paul, for now..... :)
Paul Wrote:
Hey at least we arnt hearing abour Brisbane for a change!
:-B
hehehehe
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From: Blair Trewin [blair at met.Unimelb.EDU.AU]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another cell update
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>
> Radar apparently inmdicates pink in the cell SW of Sydney but the haze and
> a little cumulus cloud patches is blocking my bloody view.
>
>
Not the radar I can see - this shows a smallish isolated cell (peak
intensity yellow - 10-20 mm/h) about 10km N of Bowral.
Blair Trewin
P.S. Just had a look at the sequence - it did have a bit of pink at
1610 but no longer does.
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Errr,
Is this an occaision where some sort of ASWA press release may be
appropriate? Has anybody considered doing this? Don't get me wrong,
nothing to do with criticising the BOM (I'm sure that will all come out in
the wash one way or another), but merely as timely way of introducing the
concept of severe weather to a public who still think that the US is the
only place that gets this kind of event (possibly even the ones that got
hailed on - it was a 'freak event' after all - I suspect that's how many
people will rationalise it).
I don't know whether the media would run with an ASWA press release (AWSA
who?), possibly they might only be interested in a controversial angle (I
can see it now...."Tornado boffins slam BOM incompetance") but maybe its
worth a try if it can educate the public.
My 0.02 from a safe, dry, and boringly stable Adelaide
Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
paisley at cobweb.com.au
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I was talking to Clyve from Victoria and he agrees that perhaps offering
support to the Bureau and making them more aware of ASWA in spite of the
Michael T situation. As a teacher, teachers are taught that offering
suggestions rather than criticism is the best option and achieves success.
I want to keep the media out of it except for offers/invitations from radio
stations etc such as my talk to the radio station last year during the
major chase last year. Sometimes, though, they avoid what you want to tell
them (eg ASWA) and just ask various other questions.
Jimmy Deguara
At 16:11 15/04/99 +0930, you wrote:
>Errr,
>
>Is this an occaision where some sort of ASWA press release may be
>appropriate? Has anybody considered doing this? Don't get me wrong,
>nothing to do with criticising the BOM (I'm sure that will all come out in
>the wash one way or another), but merely as timely way of introducing the
>concept of severe weather to a public who still think that the US is the
>only place that gets this kind of event (possibly even the ones that got
>hailed on - it was a 'freak event' after all - I suspect that's how many
>people will rationalise it).
>
>I don't know whether the media would run with an ASWA press release (AWSA
>who?), possibly they might only be interested in a controversial angle (I
>can see it now...."Tornado boffins slam BOM incompetance") but maybe its
>worth a try if it can educate the public.
>
>
>My 0.02 from a safe, dry, and boringly stable Adelaide
>
>Phil 'Paisley' Bagust
>paisley at cobweb.com.au
>
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WEATHER BUREAU ADMITS FAILURE ON HAILSTORM
AAP- The weather bureau said today it was unfortunate it had failed
to issue a warning about the massive hailstorm which lashed Sydney
last night.
The storm is believed to have caused more than $100 million damage
and claimed the life of a 45-year-old Guildford fisherman struck by
lightning.
The bureau's NSW regional director, Patrick Sullivan, said the
failure to issue a warning was "unfortunate" but also that it had to
be remembered meteorology was an inexact science.
He said the storm was initially tracked on radar south of Wollongong,
moving north just offshore.
The bureau had expected it to move further offshore as it travelled
north, with the duty forecaster judged it would be far enough out to
sea to miss residential Sydney.
"I completely understand the community response for not having been
warned," Mr Sullivan told AAP.
"But all I can say to that is that meteorology is not a perfect
science and our predictions are not always as accurate as we wish
them to be."
He said the bureau would look into its handling of the storm for
future reference.
Federal Environment Minister Robert Hill said he would wait for the
bureau's official report before commenting on the lack of a warning
last night.
"No doubt I'll get a response, the technology is very good these
days ... the computer models are fantastic but they just can't
predict every uncertainty," Senator Hill told journalists in Sydney.
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Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
I agree Paul - even if the BOM had issued warnings, i would doubt if many
people on the coast where the storm first hit would have got word of it -
that's not to say that the BOM shouldn't have issued a warning, i'm 100% in
agreement there..
Michael Thompson said in an email last night that the BOM had 4 hours to
issue a warning for this storm.. i have to dissagree here.. for those that
havn't made a loop out of the radar pictures Jimmy D posted, it think you
should.. I've been studying the loop for the past 45 minutes and i came to
the conclusion that the earliest time the BOM should have thought about
putting out a warning was 6:20 UTC (4:30pm normal time) when the storm
definately showed signs of taking a turn for the coast. The storm hit the
Sydney City area at around 9:40 - 9:50 UTC... that means the BOM had 2 1/2
hours to issue a warning.. and that's just for the city areas! looks like
the storm was on the coast between 9:00 and 9:10 UTC between Wooloongong
and Sydney. Still that's a long time for BOM to issue a warning, but i just
wanted to point this out. Fair enough Michael called them and gave them
information about the storm, but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm
that was very close to the coast, and heading out to sea.. But ma
ybe they should have noted the strength of the storm when Michael reported
hail, and then saw how strong it was when it moving towards Sydney and
acted..
I remember there was a fair bit of media coverage on the 1989 (yes, i meant
1989 in my email about it) storms when the BOM didn't issue warnings for
the storms until it was too late - the media is also having a field day
with this as well..
Hi Everyone
This storm certainly seemed to take most people by surprise.
From the reports I have heard on both radio and television, there
seems to be some sensationalised reporting about how Sydney has
never suffered a hailstorm of this proportion - obviously forgetting
the March 1990 storm which brought similar sized hail and then again
in January 1991.
Aside from this, the Bureau of Meteorology has received a lot of
critism as far as I can judge. One of the duty forecasters
interviewed on talkback radio last night was unable to answer
questions
as to why no warning was issued. It looks like a public-relations
nightmare.
This morning Steve Symmonds explained on ABC radio in Sydney that
the very rapid development of the supercell meant it was impossible
to issue a warning in time for people to seek protection, further
commenting that even if a
warning had been issued, many people may not have been informed in
any case. - Paul G.
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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I do understand the Bureau have accepted fault but I would say it was
imposed from above. They would have no choice in the matter and the Sydney
to Hobart siuation has not really settled in.
I believe that the Bureau should change its policy on warnings. If there is
any indication that a storm may threaten a surrounding community then it
should condone a warning. Michael T wasn't even believed to a certain
extent. That was the problem. Had they believed him, then perhaps a warning
even for the areas around Shellharbour or north of it as the storm was
backbuilding. And besides, radar is not the whole solution even if they do
have Doppler there.
I think that the Bureau should use some indication from spotters and so on
as to what is happening. In other words, since there was extensive back
building then a warning should have been issued based on the spotters
report. They ask on a spotter card, in which way was the storm moving etc.
This is information that can help with warnings. My belief is that is
better to be safe than sorry.
And my final word is, that the storm should not really have struck without
warning. Lightning, thunder, people talking on the radio and so on. People
have to be educated to fend for themselves as well as use warnings as a
real guide. After all, they may save their own lives and property in some
cases. A man was struck by lightning whilst fishing and killed.
Unfortunately, I would not have ventured ouside last night. Some of the
bolts scared the s.... out of me.
ASWA will in the future help in this area whether in conjunction with or
without the BoM to educate the public (I am hoping with the BoM). And I
mean not just in the awareness of what happens in Australia ie we do get
tornadoes. I mean real education such as what to look out for, how to
interpret the warnings and so on. Believe me, there is a long way to go.
David Croan had hinted to me on making slides of specific educational type
materials. I would like to see groups working on just this as this is the
ultimate area.
Personally, I believe the reaction from the media especially the 'loud'
ratings seeking radio personalies had no real right to say what they had
said (although it was a little funny hearing Paul Graham's recordings).
Again, they could have told the Bureau about what was happening. The Bureau
despite what they thought should have issued the warnings at the first hint
of damage and relate it with radar.
Thanks for your patience
Jimmy Deguara
At 08:17 15/04/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
>
>I agree Paul - even if the BOM had issued warnings, i would doubt if many
>people on the coast where the storm first hit would have got word of it -
>that's not to say that the BOM shouldn't have issued a warning, i'm 100% in
>agreement there..
>
>Michael Thompson said in an email last night that the BOM had 4 hours to
>issue a warning for this storm.. i have to dissagree here.. for those that
>havn't made a loop out of the radar pictures Jimmy D posted, it think you
>should.. I've been studying the loop for the past 45 minutes and i came to
>the conclusion that the earliest time the BOM should have thought about
>putting out a warning was 6:20 UTC (4:30pm normal time) when the storm
>definately showed signs of taking a turn for the coast. The storm hit the
>Sydney City area at around 9:40 - 9:50 UTC... that means the BOM had 2 1/2
>hours to issue a warning.. and that's just for the city areas! looks like
>the storm was on the coast between 9:00 and 9:10 UTC between Wooloongong
>and Sydney. Still that's a long time for BOM to issue a warning, but i just
>wanted to point this out. Fair enough Michael called them and gave them
>information about the storm, but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm
>that was very close to the coast, and heading out to sea.. But ma
>ybe they should have noted the strength of the storm when Michael reported
>hail, and then saw how strong it was when it moving towards Sydney and
>acted..
>
>I remember there was a fair bit of media coverage on the 1989 (yes, i meant
>1989 in my email about it) storms when the BOM didn't issue warnings for
>the storms until it was too late - the media is also having a field day
>with this as well..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone
> This storm certainly seemed to take most people by surprise.
> From the reports I have heard on both radio and television, there
> seems to be some sensationalised reporting about how Sydney has
> never suffered a hailstorm of this proportion - obviously forgetting
> the March 1990 storm which brought similar sized hail and then again
> in January 1991.
> Aside from this, the Bureau of Meteorology has received a lot of
> critism as far as I can judge. One of the duty forecasters
> interviewed on talkback radio last night was unable to answer
>questions
> as to why no warning was issued. It looks like a public-relations
> nightmare.
> This morning Steve Symmonds explained on ABC radio in Sydney that
> the very rapid development of the supercell meant it was impossible
> to issue a warning in time for people to seek protection, further
>commenting that even if a
> warning had been issued, many people may not have been informed in
>any case. - Paul G.
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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I disagree,
"but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm that was very
close to the coast, and heading out to sea.."
The warning should have gone out as soon as Michael T reported to them.
If a severe storm is moving N any area weather it be NW or NE should be put
under a warning, thats the WA BOMs policy anyway. If there is a supercell
going any area that may be in any way under threat should be put under a
warning. Its not for them to think, will it go out to sea or not? Nearly
all supercells change direction to some degree in their life to get better
inflow anyway. They should have covered themselves and put any area that
may be at risk under a warning.
At 08:17 15/04/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hey Ben from Brisbane here..
>
>I agree Paul - even if the BOM had issued warnings, i would doubt if many
>people on the coast where the storm first hit would have got word of it -
>that's not to say that the BOM shouldn't have issued a warning, i'm 100% in
>agreement there..
>
>Michael Thompson said in an email last night that the BOM had 4 hours to
>issue a warning for this storm.. i have to dissagree here.. for those that
>havn't made a loop out of the radar pictures Jimmy D posted, it think you
>should.. I've been studying the loop for the past 45 minutes and i came to
>the conclusion that the earliest time the BOM should have thought about
>putting out a warning was 6:20 UTC (4:30pm normal time) when the storm
>definately showed signs of taking a turn for the coast. The storm hit the
>Sydney City area at around 9:40 - 9:50 UTC... that means the BOM had 2 1/2
>hours to issue a warning.. and that's just for the city areas! looks like
>the storm was on the coast between 9:00 and 9:10 UTC between Wooloongong
>and Sydney. Still that's a long time for BOM to issue a warning, but i just
>wanted to point this out. Fair enough Michael called them and gave them
>information about the storm, but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm
>that was very close to the coast, and heading out to sea.. But ma
>ybe they should have noted the strength of the storm when Michael reported
>hail, and then saw how strong it was when it moving towards Sydney and
>acted..
>
>I remember there was a fair bit of media coverage on the 1989 (yes, i meant
>1989 in my email about it) storms when the BOM didn't issue warnings for
>the storms until it was too late - the media is also having a field day
>with this as well..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi Everyone
> This storm certainly seemed to take most people by surprise.
> From the reports I have heard on both radio and television, there
> seems to be some sensationalised reporting about how Sydney has
> never suffered a hailstorm of this proportion - obviously forgetting
> the March 1990 storm which brought similar sized hail and then again
> in January 1991.
> Aside from this, the Bureau of Meteorology has received a lot of
> critism as far as I can judge. One of the duty forecasters
> interviewed on talkback radio last night was unable to answer
>questions
> as to why no warning was issued. It looks like a public-relations
> nightmare.
> This morning Steve Symmonds explained on ABC radio in Sydney that
> the very rapid development of the supercell meant it was impossible
> to issue a warning in time for people to seek protection, further
>commenting that even if a
> warning had been issued, many people may not have been informed in
>any case. - Paul G.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:27:09 +0100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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Hey..
Yeah Jimmy - the thing i find annoying about the media coverage about the
BOM not putting out warnings is that the radio stations up here in Brisbane
rarely read out ANY warnings BOM issues - dont know what they're like down
there - yet they jump on the bandwagon and jump up and down when BOM dosn't
issue them.. seems a bit ironic to me
Jimmy wrote:
I do understand the Bureau have accepted fault but I would say it was
imposed from above. They would have no choice in the matter and the
Sydney
to Hobart siuation has not really settled in.
I believe that the Bureau should change its policy on warnings. If
there is
any indication that a storm may threaten a surrounding community then
it
should condone a warning. Michael T wasn't even believed to a certain
extent. That was the problem. Had they believed him, then perhaps a
warning
even for the areas around Shellharbour or north of it as the storm
was
backbuilding. And besides, radar is not the whole solution even if
they do
have Doppler there.
I think that the Bureau should use some indication from spotters and
so on
as to what is happening. In other words, since there was extensive
back
building then a warning should have been issued based on the spotters
report. They ask on a spotter card, in which way was the storm moving
etc.
This is information that can help with warnings. My belief is that is
better to be safe than sorry.
And my final word is, that the storm should not really have struck
without
warning. Lightning, thunder, people talking on the radio and so on.
People
have to be educated to fend for themselves as well as use warnings as
a
real guide. After all, they may save their own lives and property in
some
cases. A man was struck by lightning whilst fishing and killed.
Unfortunately, I would not have ventured ouside last night. Some of
the
bolts scared the s.... out of me.
ASWA will in the future help in this area whether in conjunction with
or
without the BoM to educate the public (I am hoping with the BoM). And
I
mean not just in the awareness of what happens in Australia ie we do
get
tornadoes. I mean real education such as what to look out for, how to
interpret the warnings and so on. Believe me, there is a long way to
go.
David Croan had hinted to me on making slides of specific educational
type
materials. I would like to see groups working on just this as this is
the
ultimate area.
Personally, I believe the reaction from the media especially the
'loud'
ratings seeking radio personalies had no real right to say what they
had
said (although it was a little funny hearing Paul Graham's
recordings).
Again, they could have told the Bureau about what was happening. The
Bureau
despite what they thought should have issued the warnings at the
first hint
of damage and relate it with radar.
Thanks for your patience
Jimmy Deguara
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:45:22 +0100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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Hey Ira..
I see what you are saying - but no-one knew it was a supercell at the time,
and it wasn't moving north when it was still on the coast.. only when it
moved off the coast did it start moving north.. then a warning should have
been issued.. and also, i wonder how many other spotter reports they got
from Wooloongong? If BOM only got a call from Michael Thompson, and no
other spotters at all then i can see how they would not issue a warning..
it would be different of course if they getting many calls from ppl. I
dont know how well they know Michael, if they know him at all.. but the BOM
must get an awfull lot of spotter reports that are not accurate or
exagerated from spotters that are inexperienced or are in a hype from the
storm or whatever.. how could they know that Michael was an experienced
storm chaser who knew exactly what he was looking at?
Maybe this is something we could look at, if we had some way of identifying
ourselves as ASWA members.
Ira Wrote:
I disagree,
"but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm that was very
close to the coast, and heading out to sea.."
The warning should have gone out as soon as Michael T reported to
them.
If a severe storm is moving N any area weather it be NW or NE should
be put
under a warning, thats the WA BOMs policy anyway. If there is a
supercell
going any area that may be in any way under threat should be put
under a
warning. Its not for them to think, will it go out to sea or not?
Nearly
all supercells change direction to some degree in their life to get
better
inflow anyway. They should have covered themselves and put any area
that
may be at risk under a warning.
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:12:21 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara [jimmyd at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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It was only a few days ago that I got a letter from the BoM (Andrew
Treloar) suggesting that all reports are important. He was speaking on
behalf of the fact we failed to report the tornado which destroyed a house
near Mudgee. I gave him that one but this one needs answers. All spotters
need to be heard and my letter to him suggests this. Experienced spotters
under ASWA should have a somewhat higher priority. Why did he refuse to
believe the report. What if it was a tornado, would he suggest Michael was
observing a lowering of scud. Michael quickly worked out that he was
thinking that he may be exaggerating so he told him he was a very
experienced spotter and knew what he was going on about. And besides, it
only takes me a couple of minutes to work out who is generally experienced
and those that don't have a clue.
Further, why does the Bureau still opt to have a so called season October
to March. I think that severe weather should be anticipated at any time of
the year and should be on full alert.
Anyway, I am not going to continue in this debate. From what I gather, some
others are sick of it and would rather comcentrate on the event and how
large the hail was....
I hope this is the go from now on
Thankx Remember, this is my view
Jimmy Deguara
At 09:45 15/04/99 +0100, you wrote:
>Hey Ira..
>
>I see what you are saying - but no-one knew it was a supercell at the time,
>and it wasn't moving north when it was still on the coast.. only when it
>moved off the coast did it start moving north.. then a warning should have
>been issued.. and also, i wonder how many other spotter reports they got
>from Wooloongong? If BOM only got a call from Michael Thompson, and no
>other spotters at all then i can see how they would not issue a warning..
>it would be different of course if they getting many calls from ppl. I
>dont know how well they know Michael, if they know him at all.. but the BOM
>must get an awfull lot of spotter reports that are not accurate or
>exagerated from spotters that are inexperienced or are in a hype from the
>storm or whatever.. how could they know that Michael was an experienced
>storm chaser who knew exactly what he was looking at?
>
>Maybe this is something we could look at, if we had some way of identifying
>ourselves as ASWA members.
>
>
>Ira Wrote:
>
>I disagree,
> "but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm that was very
> close to the coast, and heading out to sea.."
> The warning should have gone out as soon as Michael T reported to
>them.
> If a severe storm is moving N any area weather it be NW or NE should
>be put
> under a warning, thats the WA BOMs policy anyway. If there is a
>supercell
> going any area that may be in any way under threat should be put
>under a
> warning. Its not for them to think, will it go out to sea or not?
>Nearly
> all supercells change direction to some degree in their life to get
>better
> inflow anyway. They should have covered themselves and put any area
>that
> may be at risk under a warning.
>
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To all South Australian ASWA members,
I approached Jimmy D a few days ago via email concerning my membership into
the ASWA. He replied asking me if I was interested in starting up a Sth
Aust division of the ASWA. After a few talks with my girlfriend, I have
kindly accepted this offer. I have let Jimmy know and he has welcomed me
aboard.
If you are interested in joining the Sth Aust division of the ASWA or you
are already a member please send a personal email to me at
astroman at wantree.com.au so I can get some idea on numbers and then proceed
in organising our first meeting.
I hope that we are successful in running this division and with the help of
other ASWA divisional members make this an educational group that we can
all learn from.
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At 17:07 15/04/99 , you wrote:
>WEATHER BUREAU ADMITS FAILURE ON HAILSTORM
>
>The storm is believed to have caused more than $100 million damage
>and claimed the life of a 45-year-old Guildford fisherman struck by
>lightning.
I hope the media isn't going to try and blame the Bureau for the
death of a man who chooses to go fishing in an aluminium tub
during a thunderstorm!
Then again, from my experiences the media will do anything for
a story...
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:46:31 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius [cyclone at stealth.com.au]
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Hi all,
Ok - here are my comments/thoughts on the recent happenings with last
night's Sydney supercell, and ASWA To my knowledge, there are 4 forecasters on during the
later hours, and the BoM is manned 24hrs a day, there's 2 forecasters
for the public, and 2 forecasters for aviation. During the day, there
is more (6? I can't remember...) There were 3000+ phone calls to 000
for help, and I'd say that there'd have been 100,000's of people who
were somewhat effected by this storm. If 1% of them rang up, there'd
have been 100's of phone calls...even if the aviation forecasters leant
a hand, that's 4 forecasters to deal with 100's of calls, and on top of
that, they also have to issue their own forecasts, warnings, look at
radar etc. It really isn't feasible - not with the current funding!
Certainly, what should be changed, is that people should phone into the
BoM - Severe T'storm spotter or not, ASWA member or not. However, they
cannot do this because of the current level of funding. What could
happen, is that the media should be asked to inform the BoM of any
reports they receive, at least until the BoM gets decent funding (if
they ever do?) I personally believe, that the report the BoM has to do,
should give the reason of "underfunding" for the central reason of not
issuing a warning *after* hail was occuring, for these reasons that I
just outlined.
I agree with Jimmy - ASWA observations should be given 'higher priority'
then normal observations. And this is certainly a great opportunity for
us to possibly formally introduce ourselves...any suggestions how?
They'd certainly be very welcome! Perhaps a letter to the director of
each BoM? We are only limited in what we can currently achieve at the
moment, but we can certainly do many things that the BoM cannot.
I share your frustrations Michael T...this is one thing that I cannot
explain, and am also partially annoyed about. But as some one pointed
out earlier, to you, you may have been any person from the public, not
the Michael T we all know and respect!
I encourage all state reps/co-ordinators to encourage ASWA members in
their state to participate in the severe thunderstorm spotters
programme. I obtained several application forms from the QLD severe wx
section a while ago, and brought it to the meeting. I then strongly
encouraged people to participate in this (however, I also stated that it
was not compulsory - perhaps we should look at having a pre-requisite to
join ASWA, as being a "severe thunderstorm spotter for the BoM"?) I was
very pleased that all who turned up to the meeting, and who were not
spotters, gladly accepted and signed the spotter form.
We cannot dwell on last night though, what is in the past, is in the
past - and there is nothing that we can do to alter that. However, one
thing that we do have control over (or partial control over) is the
future. We have to learn from past experiences - this is an excellent
opportunity for ASWA to be known (especially the fact that an ASWA
member had reported it being severe initially). The other thing that
I'm going to encourage people to do, is to get to know their BoM if
possible! The guys at the severe wx section are generally more then
happy to respond to any enquiries, or accept any information that you
have on severe wx.
Ok - well this has lots of thoughts, but appears to be going no-where,
what am I trying to say here? Lets just say this - enough is enough,
people are being injured, people are having property damaged (of which
some could have been avoided) and one person is dead. You cannot blame,
or 'pass the buck' on any one person or association, remember, when it
comes to warnings, the public are their own worse enemy (becoming blase`
with warningss) This is, what I'd assume, to be one of the reasons why
a warning was not issued. This event, caused the amount of damage it
did, because of a multitude of factors, many of which ASWA could
possibly attempt to rectify. I'll be contacting the reps, along with
JD/MB...and I hope to be able to organise quite a few idea's/suggestions
to come out in May's ASWA meetings. This has certainly doubled my
determination to make ASWA a 'success,' and what do I mean by
'success'? I define it, as any positive resulting action due to our
work, if one less person was injured, if one less car was damaged; then
ASWA has already begun to suceed.
Anthony Cornelius
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Public Education is again the key! People should be constantly reminded
about this, I would imagine that the panic caused by the sounding of the
siren during the storm event would have possibly resulted in further
injury...
Anthony Cornelius
Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>
> Hi Paul G...one comment - what about that blasted warning siren they are
> suposed to use?
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check it out here:
http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/temp/radar.gif
Speaking of the Telegraph, I had an interview with a reporter this
afternoon for about 20-25 minutes. She thought there may be a group into
severe weather and tracked down our site then me at work (don't know how
they got the number).
She was very interested in our association and what it was all about, as
well as our observations and comment on the storm and warnings of course. I
hope if anything is published tomorrow it is positive as I was throughout
the conversation.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:32:15 +1000
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Michael Bath was the one who said 4 hours, I think they ( BOM ) still had
about 2-2.5 hours like you indicate.
I do however disagree with the ' moving out to sea ' in my report to BOM I
said that it backbuilding actively, that it was now offshore but may
impinge on the coast north of Stanwell Park. This is exactly what happened.
Even when the storm hit Cronulla it should have been a wake up call.
Michael
>Michael Thompson said in an email last night that the BOM had 4 hours to
>issue a warning for this storm.. i have to dissagree here.. for those that
>havn't made a loop out of the radar pictures Jimmy D posted, it think you
>should.. I've been studying the loop for the past 45 minutes and i came to
>the conclusion that the earliest time the BOM should have thought about
>putting out a warning was 6:20 UTC (4:30pm normal time) when the storm
>definately showed signs of taking a turn for the coast. The storm hit the
>Sydney City area at around 9:40 - 9:50 UTC... that means the BOM had 2 1/2
>hours to issue a warning.. and that's just for the city areas! looks like
>the storm was on the coast between 9:00 and 9:10 UTC between Wooloongong
>and Sydney. Still that's a long time for BOM to issue a warning, but i just
>wanted to point this out. Fair enough Michael called them and gave them
>information about the storm, but you wouldn't issue a warning for a storm
>that was very close to the coast, and heading out to sea.. But ma
>ybe they should have noted the strength of the storm when Michael reported
>hail, and then saw how strong it was when it moving towards Sydney and
>acted..
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
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Well I did say that " I am a AWSA memebr and know what I am looking at "
That aside I did also say the the hail report cannot be confirmed as I was
relying that the local radio had it right with golfball size hail. I did say
that the storm was very nasty looking and very suspicious lowerings.
>Maybe this is something we could look at, if we had some way of identifying
>ourselves as ASWA members.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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This is definitely the way we should go. We should talk at the next AWSA
about establishing education and media links, but only after the present
stuff has died, we would at present be only used by the media to further
kick the BOM guts in, and in the process not achieving any of our aims.
Michael
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Date: Thursday, 15 April 1999 11:36
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell
>
>
>I have just been talking with Jimmy. We need to remember that constructive
>criticism is welcome on this list. The Sydney BOM office let Sydney down
>last night. The reason why is not quite sure yet. Whatever the reason,
>storms are back on the agenda for many people in Sydney, and possibly
>Australia wide. What we can do now is bring up ASWA. Tell people there are
>ways to learn about severe storms, get involved in protecting themself and
>not relying on others all the time. Harness the thirst for knowledge. Tell
>them that we have a society that is set around severe weather, talking
>about it, finding why it may have happened, and educating to help prevent
>the type of incident from happening again. This is our chance to raise the
>awareness of aswa with people you know.
>
>Paul
>Secretary.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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When I started talking about "backbuilding" and "propagating northwards"
that should have been a clue that I was not you average spotter, these are
terms that only experienced chasers use.
A rank amatuer would say " you better watch out it does not go around in a
full circle and hit us again ". ( have heard this line before from people )
Michael
>observing a lowering of scud. Michael quickly worked out that he was
>thinking that he may be exaggerating so he told him he was a very
>experienced spotter and knew what he was going on about. And besides, it
>only takes me a couple of minutes to work out who is generally experienced
>and those that don't have a clue.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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I agree with Jimmy in one regard, if we get on any sort of media bandwagon
what little support we get from BOM, the odd sat pic ration, or other info,
would be cut off.
True! I am annoyed about not been taken seriously, but we should let it
work for us, we have the ball in our court. We should let the appropriate
BOM people know we kept our cool and did not go to the media.
Fine if they still act silly in the future, such as wanting to charge for a
radar still or sat pic then perhaps we have to try other alternatives, but a
confrontation is not what we need.
Michael
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>
>
>Unfortunately Jimmy...we dont live in Yugoslavia or Russia etc...and this
>is a list were peoples comments are welcome.
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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That Doppler would be better utilised sitting in your's or mine home !
As for the prints, been there, done that ! At least a scanned too light
picture copes better with darkening, then trying to make a too dark picture
lighter.
Michael T
>Just got my first set of prints, but as per bloody usual these frig'n auto
>digital labs printed the entire batch way too light - it looks like
>daytime! I'll have to get them all redone so I will not have them online
>today, except maybe one or two.
>
>What a pain. If you try explaining what you want to the shops they still
>stuff it up!
>
>
>If you haven't already, get todays Sydney Telegraph - on page 4 is a
>beautiful colour radar shot taken about 7.50pm - classic supercell
>signature (I will scan it later for everyone to see). It would be nice to
>see the full sequence and some doppler shots.
>
>Michael
>mbath at ozemail.com.au
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From: "Michael Thompson" [michaelt at ozemail.com.au]
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She talked to me as well. I had to walk a tightrope between the truth and
being protective towards the BOM. The last thing I wanted was a headline
"BOM ignores warning from experienced storm chasers " Hope that isn't
tomorrows headline as I think that's is what she wanted me say. I did not
tell her the exact reply to my report, I did have to say "yes I did report
it, it looked mean, but I did not see the hail, yes I am very experienced "
I also plugged the AWSA.
Having seen the media in action over other issues expect a beat up.
Michael
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Date: Thursday, 15 April 1999 21:21
Subject: aus-wx: Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
>check it out here:
>http://australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/temp/radar.gif
>
>Speaking of the Telegraph, I had an interview with a reporter this
>afternoon for about 20-25 minutes. She thought there may be a group into
>severe weather and tracked down our site then me at work (don't know how
>they got the number).
>She was very interested in our association and what it was all about, as
>well as our observations and comment on the storm and warnings of course. I
>hope if anything is published tomorrow it is positive as I was throughout
>the conversation.
>
>regards, Michael
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Hello Everyone
Good to see the list active again, 56 emails when i got home from work
tonight to read :)
I have some photos up of the storm, alot didnt come out and im shooting
myself cause the idea of buying a tripod came to me yesterday but i
dismissed it. But a few did come out nicely, i was no where near the hail,
but there are some nice cloud/CG/CC shots none the less.
I am not going to comment on the roll of the BoM as it has been discussed
to much, but i do believe that ASWA needs to be known by the Sydney BoM for
future events (unless we are already, i dont know), The process of
registering ASWA has taken a long time now and i sure as hell hope this
speeds things up, then we can take registration from people, send them
storm news, give them radar access, encourage storm enthusiasts to join
ASWA and the spotter network, make people aware... this is perfect for ASWA
and the BoM to form a "relationship".
Also 90% of people saw that storm comming, lightning was everywhere,
thunder would have been heard before the storm actually hit, in my book
there is no excuse. Anything can happen during a storm.. and that is what
we have to teach people i guess...
Just thinking aloud as many of you have done today :)
ALSO - Great to see Don White on "Today Tonight" on channel 7 !! If you
missed it i think its on Sky news at around 11pm (a repeat)
Hope you like the photos
Matthew Smith
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Ok - I have one for you - darkened in PSP so not the best, but it gives you
an idea of the size and structure of the top half of the supercell - this
pic was taken around 8.25pm 40km west of the cell:
australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1999/0414mb09.jpg
I'll get the other ones reprinted darker tomorrow.
cheers,
Michael
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From: Michael Bath [mbath at ozemail.com.au]
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
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Let's hope it is fairly positive towards what we are about, which I
emphasized several times. The problem with media calls is that you do want
to tell them what happened without being critical to BoM or others, it just
depends what angle they want to report on. A 'no comment' answer would not
help one bit. She seemed to take a lot of interest in ASWA and noted our
website address.
regards, Michael
At 21:49 15/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
>She talked to me as well. I had to walk a tightrope between the truth and
>being protective towards the BOM. The last thing I wanted was a headline
>"BOM ignores warning from experienced storm chasers " Hope that isn't
>tomorrows headline as I think that's is what she wanted me say. I did not
>tell her the exact reply to my report, I did have to say "yes I did report
>it, it looked mean, but I did not see the hail, yes I am very experienced "
>I also plugged the AWSA.
>
>Having seen the media in action over other issues expect a beat up.
>
>Michael
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Hi Paul and all,
I assume that the authority to use the siren comes from the Bureau in
its warning.
- Paul G.
>From: Anthony Cornelius
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell, April 14, 1999
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:48:38 +1000
>
>Public Education is again the key! People should be constantly
reminded
>about this, I would imagine that the panic caused by the sounding of
the
>siren during the storm event would have possibly resulted in further
>injury...
>
>Anthony Cornelius
>
>Paul_Mossman at agd.nsw.gov.au wrote:
>>
>> Hi Paul G...one comment - what about that blasted warning siren
they are
>> suposed to use?
>>
>>
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That's great news Michael that you were positive towards the BOM
throughout. As I mentioned earlier today, we all know and they know
that they made a big mistake and there was no need to stand up and be
counted, or to add fuel to the fire. On the positive side it has
opened up an oppurtunity for ASWA to become better known in the
community and BOM through the press and maybe for the BOM to get more
funding and staff.
On the negative side, however, the press will basically follow public
opinion. In this case the public want the bureau's blood so don't be
surprised if you are misquoted or have words twisted to suit the
story. I hope this is my cynical side speaking and there is no
foundation to these thoughts. It is good that she knows about us and
seemed interested as well as making the effort to look us up. It is
the editor's I am more worried about than the actual reporters as
they will follow opinion to sell papers and they have the final say.
Chris
>From: Michael Bath
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Radar from todays Telegraph/Interview
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:00:51 +1000
>
>Let's hope it is fairly positive towards what we are about, which I
>emphasized several times. The problem with media calls is that you
do want
>to tell them what happened without being critical to BoM or others,
it just
>depends what angle they want to report on. A 'no comment' answer
would not
>help one bit. She seemed to take a lot of interest in ASWA and noted
our
>website address.
>
>regards, Michael
>
>
>At 21:49 15/04/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>She talked to me as well. I had to walk a tightrope between the
truth and
>>being protective towards the BOM. The last thing I wanted was a
headline
>>"BOM ignores warning from experienced storm chasers " Hope that
isn't
>>tomorrows headline as I think that's is what she wanted me say. I
did not
>>tell her the exact reply to my report, I did have to say "yes I did
report
>>it, it looked mean, but I did not see the hail, yes I am very
experienced "
>>I also plugged the AWSA.
>>
>>Having seen the media in action over other issues expect a beat up.
>>
>>Michael
>
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Hey michael great pic, well it's the only pic of the syd storm/supercell
that i have seen so far, looks like it had a few in-cloud lightning strikes
to it, aswell as the good old C-G's, BTW how long was the exposure on that
pic? Hard to tell due to the intense lightning inside the cloud.
still good shot
Andrew Wall
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At 21:54 4/15/99 +1000, you wrote:
>Ok - I have one for you - darkened in PSP so not the best, but it gives you
>an idea of the size and structure of the top half of the supercell - this
>pic was taken around 8.25pm 40km west of the cell:
>australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1999/0414mb09.jpg
>
>I'll get the other ones reprinted darker tomorrow.
>
>cheers,
>Michael
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1 minute at F4 and a 50mm lens, 100 speed film
I should have had it set to F8 for the amount of lightning occurring, but
the photo shop has still printed them way too light.
cheers,
Michael
At 21:48 15/04/99 +0900, you wrote:
>
>Hey michael great pic, well it's the only pic of the syd storm/supercell
>that i have seen so far, looks like it had a few in-cloud lightning strikes
>to it, aswell as the good old C-G's, BTW how long was the exposure on that
>pic? Hard to tell due to the intense lightning inside the cloud.
>
>still good shot
>
>Andrew Wall
>SA Div ASWA
>lightning.virtualave.net (check-it-out)
>
>
>
>At 21:54 4/15/99 +1000, you wrote:
>>Ok - I have one for you - darkened in PSP so not the best, but it gives you
>>an idea of the size and structure of the top half of the supercell - this
>>pic was taken around 8.25pm 40km west of the cell:
>>australiansevereweather.simplenet.com/photography/photos/1999/0414mb09.jpg
>>
>>I'll get the other ones reprinted darker tomorrow.
>>
>>cheers,
>>Michael
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From: "John Graham" [gorzzz at one.net.au]
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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Supercell 14/4
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:08:15 +1000
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Hiya Everyone,
AllI can say on this subject is that someonein the BoM severely f**cked up
somewhere along the line..........I think also someone would have a very
sore arse by now too............
See Ya's
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From: DavidC at thevortex.com
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Subject: aus-wx: Giant Sydney hail in the freezer
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:03:08 -0500
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With any luck we can have some giant hail
as a special guest at our next Sydney ASWA
meeting.
Darren Heys, who attends Sydney ASWA
meetings, mentioned that some Optus
employees at Rosebery (on the fringe of the
hardest hit area in Sydneys inner south)
had kept frozen a few tennis ball sized
stones. I asked him to try to ensure that
they are kept in safe hands until we can
get a good look rather than ending up in
someone's drink.
That radar image in the telegraph mirror
was great - I was hoping I could get the
jpeg off their website but of course it
wasn't there. Based on my observations last
night and the path of the storm, Im sure
that the meso must have gone pretty well
right over my suburb (Beacon Hill)...not to
be egocentric - it just gets you thinking
about the possibilities. The sudden lull
in rain/hail then amazing CG barrage
(probably associated with the main updraft)
then finally sudden heavy hail had me
suspicious...it also had that eerie feeling
that tells you it's no ordinary storm -
wish I could bottle that feeling.
On the warning front I really feel sorry
for the forecaster who was grilled by the
press - I mean we all make mistakes. From
what I can gather, he inherited the 7pm hot
seat from a more ignorant person who seems
to have totally disregarded Michael Ts and
possibly other spotter information.
David
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