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Title: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 12 July 2009, 05:07:10 AM
This event is still a few days out but the models have been onto it for a few runs now.  Tues to Thurs do look quite cold over much of SE Australia with snowfalls possible outside the higher Alpine regions.

My interest of course is for the Northern Tablelands where snowfalls from Guyra to Ben Lomond are possible all three days at this stage. GFS is the most promising for a prolonged event, "throwing up" an extra cold pool across the NSW ranges during Thursday

We shall see !

Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Shaun Galman on 12 July 2009, 06:33:54 AM
Hi Michael,
Seems like this winter has had it's share of a few decent cold snaps around the states. Did the snow make it to the Ben Lomond area during the last event?

I was hoping for a bit of triggering as the front arrived as our temps are fairly warm now, around 24c+, just warm enough to cause a little storm action. I hope it's a decent system, though GFS is a little weak currently, praying it might improve a little over the next day or two!

Now we play the waiting game :D

Kindest regards,
Shauno
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 12 July 2009, 08:11:31 AM
Hi Shauno, was a very light dusting up this way on 10th June - Armidale area but no reports from elsewhere on the Northern Tablelands.

Been a struggle to get any significant cold and moisture to far north this season.
MB
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Shaun Galman on 13 July 2009, 08:09:29 AM
Hi MB,

The frontal cloud band has just reached town (2pm EST) and there does appear to be a little convection taking place as there are a few towers sitting to our W-SW now. Temps are nice and warm currently at 26.4c. Not sure how the jet moving up from the SW will affect this system? Just hope it doesn't weaken the updrafts and knock the tops off before anything can take place.

I'll keep an eye on things this afternoon.
Kindest regards,
Shauno.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Peter J on 13 July 2009, 07:27:22 PM
I'm keeping an eye on things in southern VIC tomorrow (13/07/09), as the BoM forecast is for the chance of thunderstorms. I haven't been able to get much of the way of storm pics since I've had my camera, but it is only a matter of time before a repeat of SA's waterspout/landspouts could occur over here.

Anyone interested in weather and non-weather pics from me, please log onto my Facebook wall (if you have facebook) - I have some there now.

Big Pete
(awaiting the storms)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Richary on 14 July 2009, 03:25:50 AM
Been a bit showery in Adelaide this morning but we are now getting some small hail falling. Looking at the radar we are getting the southern end of the rain band here in the CBD.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Kristy Norman on 14 July 2009, 09:08:55 AM
A few showers coming through, feels like a real cold wintery day. Tomorrow and Wednseday the chance of a thunderstorm which would be great!
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 15 July 2009, 04:30:39 AM
Potential remains good for the NSW Northern Tablelands (NTs) with a little frozen stuff likely to have fallen last night during the rain band. Had a report of 2 degrees and some possible sleet from Guyra. Armidale and Glen Innes had temps around 5 with rain at the same time.

Latest GFS suggests the NTs could see some snow tonight, Wed morning, Wed evening, Thurs morning and Thurs evening. 850 hPa temps and heights are just low enough for areas above 1300 metres in elevation but with so much moisture progged, we'll have to see. The Armidale forecast max for Wed and Thurs in now 8 which is certainly more encouraging.

Forecast for Wednesday
Showers, mostly in the west. Possible small hail and thunderstorms. Sleet or snow on higher ground. Moderate to fresh westerly winds.


Armidale:   A few showers.                  Min:   -1  Max:    8

Forecast for Thursday
Isolated showers, tending scattered in the west. Snow possible on higher peaks. Southwesterly winds.


Armidale:   A few showers.                  Min:    1  Max:    8
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: SnowMac on 15 July 2009, 05:03:17 AM
Hello Michael and all :)

I would not be surprised if there was snow at Guyra tonight as GFS suggusts. I am curious when would be the best
snowfall.... i was thinking maybe Wednesday evening into Thursday.

Its great there is moisture about, which is mostly always the issue on the NTs. It has the elevation.

Day                 Max   Min     Dir/W        OCF    WATL GFS

Today       8    3    WNW    0.9    1.2    0.1    
Tomorrow       7    0    WNW    3.0    1.2    5.4    
Thursday       6    0    WSW    1.4    1.1    4.1    
Friday       9    -3    WSW    -    -    1.7

accessed this from
http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?station=guyra (http://ozforecast.com.au/cgi-bin/weather.cgi?station=guyra)

ALL the 3 models are forecating prep.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Kristy Norman on 15 July 2009, 09:35:22 AM
It is a very chilly day, they should get a good dumping on the mountains today for sure! A few storms popping up around here.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Peter J on 15 July 2009, 03:37:25 PM
Well, another wipeout! No storms for me again - but some cloud did roll in on Sunday arvo with a few storms embeded in the North Country region - mostly with a few c2c's around the Seymour area - but nothing for me and my camera - I might wait until spring when the storms are due to rise again!

Big Pete

Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: SnowMac on 16 July 2009, 08:12:43 AM
Reports from SnowGypsy.
Snowing small flakes mixed with dizzle at Guyra
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Kristy Norman on 16 July 2009, 11:15:11 AM
We copped some showers and hail overnight and a few icy cold showers around this afternoon. Tonight's forecast is for showers, hail and local thunder, but we will see.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: David Brodrick on 17 July 2009, 04:16:48 AM
Snow Report, Mt Kaputar, NSW

Significant snow has fallen on Mt Kaputar. There was a light fall at 3pm yesterday followed by a much heavier fall starting around 4:45pm. Snow continued to fall through the night and there has been some additional flurries so far this morning. I have to work but some of my friends might go up to get some photos later today.

(http://narrabriweather.net/events/11215-20090716-0800.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Antonio (stormboy) on 17 July 2009, 04:34:50 AM
reports this morning that some snow has fallen west of gyura and east of armidale this morning. it is cold here today in the northern rivers my temp reading now is only 15.3C
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Jimmy Deguara on 17 July 2009, 05:32:04 AM
Hi,

I had to go to the Illawarra yesterday and was able to get a little closer to those cumulonimbus off the coast. Some of the other ones further east were not too bad for this time of the year. The one in my photo also produced a few lightning strikes.

(http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/0715jd02.jpg)

(http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/0715jd04.jpg)

(http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/0715jd10.jpg)


A pleasant day with the family.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 18 July 2009, 04:11:45 AM
Hi all,
Returned home from the Northern Tablelands trip about 3.30pm yesterday (16th) but was too tired to get photos ready.

Got to Ben Lomond about 1.30pm Wed then chased some snowy looking clouds between there and Guyra. Headed a few ks out the Inverell Road where a better looking area of precip was interesting. Temp was 3-4 but soon after the rain started it dropped to 1 then big snowflakes started. I followed this back into Guyra where the snow persisted enough to cover everything white by 3.30pm

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071501.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071501.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071502.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071502.jpg)

Apert from a few flurries no more snow fell until late afternoon. I went back to Ben Lomond where I was to meet Rodney and family later. A couple of cm of snow had fallen there.

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071503.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071503.jpg)

Heavy snow started about 9pm. It was a real blizzard for a while. Martha from the Argus Newspaper was back from dinner so went to say hello and have a coffee in Guyra. The drive along the New England Highway was hazardous to say the least - no wonder police closed the road further north!  No pics of that but on video.

I headed back to Ben Lomond as Rodney Wallbridge and family had arrived and set up camp. I stayed in the car for the night which was cosy enough lol

Not much snow fell after about 11pm.

Morning finally allowed the extent of snow to be viewed. Some places had a really solid 5-6cm cover or perhaps more but most areas around Ben Lomond had about 4cm by the looks. I try to measure where it accumulates on posts etc.

Along Inn Road and in town Ben Lomond:

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071601.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071601.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071602.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071602.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071603.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071603.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071604.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071604.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071605.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071605.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071606.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071606.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071607.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071607.jpg)

I met up with Sam Mac and his two brothers in Ben Lomond and we headed along the Maybole Road to the north for a look

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071608.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071608.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071609.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071609.jpg)

Back in Ben Lomond late morning with Rodney and family

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071610.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071610.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071611.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071611.jpg)

(http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/thumbs/2009071612.jpg) (http://australiasevereweather.com/forum_images/photos/2009071612.jpg)

Potentially there could have been a lot more snow cover but it was still a terrific event. Got to test out my new car too.


Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: enak_12 on 18 July 2009, 04:52:57 AM
Couple of storms formed late yesterday afternoon just offshore..Love seeing sunset storms..Not much lightning however this time..

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/enak12/July%2016%202009/IMG_6565copy.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/enak12/July%2016%202009/Untitled_Panorama3copy.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/enak12/July%2016%202009/IMG_6596copy.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/enak12/July%2016%202009/IMG_6648copy.jpg)

(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/enak12/July%2016%202009/IMG_6649copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: SnowMac on 18 July 2009, 10:03:47 AM
Hey there Michael, Great pics, love the snowline photo also, certainly looked nice earlier on and later :). I love the Kaputar webcam David. Ive book marked it.

My brothers and I left about 3pm from home, approx 30 mins east of GlenInnes, saw some snow on the ground temp 1c.

About 10 mins out of town, before the old ben lomond road turnoff, the police had closed the highway, however 30 mins later we were able to preceed to Guyra (1c temps), with snowshowers along the way.

When we woke in the morning, was a patchy cover on the ground, by the time we left to meet Michael, Rodney and family, snow was almost gone in Guyra township.


Guyra 15th
(http://i27.tinypic.com/68bxw7.jpg)

Ben Lomond 16th
(http://i26.tinypic.com/6sq97r.jpg)

(http://i28.tinypic.com/2me68ig.jpg)

(http://i26.tinypic.com/16bbyo3.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Jimmy Deguara on 18 July 2009, 04:20:00 PM
Nice snowfalls up there on the Northern Tablelands. Great scenery shots also captured - looked like a lot of fun!

Photography July 16 2009

Kimberly and I headed down to the dam to get some reflection shots of the sunset. She did well for her first time shots. Mine are as follows:

(http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/0716jd08.jpg)

Kimberly has a new website where she will post her new pictures including the spectacular sunset images:

http://www.photographic-art.com.au/photography/ (http://www.photographic-art.com.au/photography/)

Photography July 17 2009

Although storms were off the coast today from this morning, there was some rain and lightning in some areas around the Sydney and the Illawarra during the night.

Regards,

Jimmy Deguara
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Rodney Wallbridge on 19 July 2009, 04:28:31 AM
Gyday all, went a cool snow chase on weds arriving about 1030pm at Ben Lomond Range and camped at the intersection of Inn road and the New England highway. This was 1375mtrs  with a lovely blanket of snow around, but better just to the west a few kms a classic orographic signature of convective snowfall.
Enjoyed  several light Flurries of snow for a few hours before sleeping about 130am. Michael Bath met us there and we caught up on the latest news etc .Also bumped into Snowmac and fellas.
On thursday morning by the time we got moving into Ben Lomond township snow was allready melting fast due to sunny breaks and Temps around 3c at times then falling back to 1c under Stratu cu with occasional flurries.Had some awesome snowfights!!! (Sorry Jase Pato) and took a few pics around town.
GFS was pretty much on target with its progged snowline but also seems to not take into account cold uppers to lower the snow level under precip.
All in all had a great snow fix of Northern Tablelands snow!!!! Hopefully Victoria can provide an outbreak just prior to the AGM in August. Great pictures everyone who got amongst it! Here's a few of mine.
 (http://australiasevereweather.com/rodney/20090716rwa.jpg)  
(http://australiasevereweather.com/rodney/20090716rwb.jpg)
 (http://australiasevereweather.com/rodney/20090716rwd.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: SnowMac on 20 July 2009, 03:13:32 AM
Great pics, nice sunset Jimmy :D Love the old wreck in the pic Roddy. Would be great for another  snowy event but chances are slim at this stage.
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 20 July 2009, 05:43:57 AM
All photos for the Guyra - Ben Lomond snow event 15-16 July are here:

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/mb20090715.html (http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/mb20090715.html)

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/mb20090716.html (http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2009/mb20090716.html)
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Shaun Galman on 20 July 2009, 06:10:55 AM
Hi guys,
Absolutely stunning photos by all! Once again making me wish I could get over there and see some snow :)

Those storm photos are amazing also! We had some great structure here and there during this event. The Grawin Opal Fields received some small hail over 10mins from a rather large and ominous looking storm that impressed both Russ and I as we watched it push past town to the South, around 5:10pm on Wednesday the 15th July. We were working on the gallery so we couldn't get away to shoot it unfortunately? The updrafts on the storms were amazing and lead to substantially crisp anvils for this time of year! Most of the cells that formed here went on to become pretty active once they passed Collarenerbri and went on through the Moree area.

I was wondering what was causing such convective energy with this front as the temps were only in the very low teens? Cant recall ever seeing such nice structure like this before at this time of year?

Really great to see everyone getting out and about again! Roll on September! :D
Take care,
Shauno
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 20 July 2009, 11:38:39 AM
Hi Shauno,

The system produced a lot of instability across NSW during Wednesday due to the widespread cold upper temps: a rather large cold pool with -26 to -28 temps at 500hPa. Load up the Moree sounding for the day and you will see quite a nice profile - unstable all the way to 350hPa.

Not sure if you or others saw the 1km VIS - pretty impressive. Some of that ended up producing the snow - maybe even the same cells you saw.

MB
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Shaun Galman on 20 July 2009, 02:06:22 PM
Thanks for posting that Michael!

I didn't get to see the VIS due to being busy (always at the worst times lol) They were the same cells by the looks of things. Russ' parents said as the cells came across Colly from here they picked up in activity and went on to Moree etc. as you can see in that great VIS image.

A nice looking profile indeed, really great to see this early! I'm hoping the little front forecast for Tuesday evening/Wednesday will hold up and produce a little something for us?

Those snow pics are pretty amazing! Bet it was fun out there :D
Take care,
Shauno
Title: Re: Cold and Snow over Southeast Australia: 14 - 16 July 2009
Post by: Michael Bath on 24 July 2011, 07:03:23 AM
Better late than never :-P

20090715 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nWhmcArDMU#ws)