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From: "Steve Baynham"
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Subject: aus-wx: dont ya hate that! eclipse link
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:15:53 +1100
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http://www.csiro.au/helix/eclipse/
Steve Baynham
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From: "Simon Angell"
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Subject: aus-wx: Archiving Radar etc etc
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 02:24:41 +1100
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Hi all.
I thought I would post this little trick
for archiving radar and Lightning tracker images, useful for chasers who need
radar archived while chasing.
Firstly Get OPERA, a free web browser, avail at www.opera.com they have V7.0 beta 1 available
but I recommend getting V6 as beta versions always have bugs. Version 6 is here:
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/opera/win/605/
en/ Java version comes with Java runtime, and is ~11meg, Standard doesn’t have
java and is ~3.5meg.
For BoM radar you don’t need java, but for WZ animators
you do, but more on WZ and animators shortly.
Once installed, open opera and go to
file/preferences (or Alt+P)
Look toward the bottom of the left menu for
“History and Cache” and select it.
In the top right hand corner of the right
side you will see “Disk Cache”.
This is where you can set the amount of disk
space the cache will take up. I have it set on 20000kb (or 200meg) and all but
“empty on exit” ticked. Have a look at other options here and set them to your
desire.
Once adjusted open your radar loop/s from the BoM
and opera allows multiple pages within the browser interface so you can
basically open all radars if you like.
The radars update and opera saves every image in
the directory c:/program files/opera/cache4/
This is the directory to go to
when retrieving the images. Now opera saves them as a really weird name so the
next thing you will need is a directory viewer that includes “image properties”
Windows explorer doesn’t have it so I recommend ACDSee, available from here: http://www.acdsystems.com/ this has image
properties functions.
Now for getting the files, the easiest way is using
the image properties look for files that are 524*564*64 gif files. If you click
the image properties column header in ACDSee it will sort them out for you,
select all the radar files and move them to your desired directory.
Now the stupid naming is crazy so you can either
rename them your self or leave them, the way you can tell the date/time of the
images is the “last modified” details.
That’s all I can think of regarding BoM
Radar.
Now to the weatherzone. Its radar auto updates as well, but because
the file name is the same every time, it just re-saves every image over the last
one, or so it seems to me. I’ve always had trouble with archiving WZ radar and
Lighting trackers. Perhaps you can do it with a Download client like get right,
set it to download every ten minutes and rename the files but I am unsure of
this.
The only time WZ images save individually is from the animators but the
problem here is the Background is a sperate image, and the radar echo’s are a
PNG file that has transparent elements in it, I have been unable thus far to
make an animation work with the using the images and background.
If you have any questions then just ask
me.
Cheers
---------------------------------
Simon
Angell
Canberra, ACT
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From: "Gavin O'Brien"
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: SEQ rain
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:10:29 +1100
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John,
Glad you are getting some rain. We have had some very gusty storms but very
little rain 6.9 mm for November at Gilmore but other areas may have had more
from th e storms of the last few days.
Did people on the list see the film of the Griffith (NSW) Dust storm? I
lived there from 1948 to 1965 (Brought up there) I would have to go back to
the 1950's for a scene like I saw last night! The area shot was from the
lookout on Scienic Hill looking south west. The horizon would be about 25 km
away on a clear day.
Gavin
SSWW Canberra
>From: "John Woodbridge"
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>To:
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: SEQ rain
>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 09:25:08 +1000
>
>Hi all,
>
>Further handy rain across much of SEQ last night, 19mm in the 6 hours from
>6:00pm to midnight at Mt. Crosby. Drought breaking?? Well I'm not sure you
>could officially call SEQ drought affected when compared to inland NSW,
>although it has been well down on average YTD.
>
>With my total for November now 52.3mm (cf Nov Ipswich mean 77.7mm) it is
>starting to look respectable, things are certainly greening up, and it was
>nice this morning to wake up and still be on the "right side" of the trough
>line with almost full overcast.
>
>Total YTD is now 495.8mm, which is running at about 64% of mean (Ipswich,
>122 years). The total was helped by relatively good winter rain, both June
>& August being above average. Sep and Oct were less than half of average,
>but then, a tendency to spring time drought is not unusual in SEQ.
>
>John.
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From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)"
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Canberra 29th November 2002
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At 02:53 AM 30/11/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>You chose a chick over that kind of storm?
Hahaha, Simon's priorities are all messed up. :-P
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From: "stephen galowski"
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TOP PRIORITY
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
at 10:59am EST on Sunday the 1st of December 2002
For the Southeast coast [north of Brisbane], Wide Bay, Burnett and
Capricornia districts.
The Bureau of Meteorology advises people of the possibility of severe
thunderstorms with damaging winds and possible hail over the
southeast coast, north of Brisbane, Wide Bay, Burnett and Capricornia
districts this afternoon.
If severe thunderstorms develop then severe thunderstorm warnings
will be issued.
Updated information will be issued throughout the [6] on radio and
will be available by telephone on 1196 for the cost of a local call
and on 1900 969 921 at 77 cents per minute.
People in the threatened areas should consider what action they may
need to take to prevent injuries and minimise damage if severe
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:18:15 EST
Subject: Re: aus-wx: north brisbane warning
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its impossible to unsubscribe to your weather email for which i don't want,don't need.and wish someone at your end were smart enough to stop sending them to me. you people have one hellof a staff or too much time on your hands, i get your useless,senseless, and unwanted email every day every day. stop already.
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Subject: aus-wx: Seven Hills data
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November 2002.(One or two old records got a
fright)
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Ahhhh, I'm afraid the lack of intelligence comes
from "your end". You may note that at the bottom of each "useless, senseless and
unwanted email" you recieve, there is an "UNSUBSCRIBE" link, which allows you
to, ummmm, u-n-s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e!
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to stop sending them to me. you people have one hellof a staff or too much
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every day. stop already.
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At 03:33 PM 1/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
Ahhhh,
I'm afraid the lack of intelligence comes from "your end". You
may note that at the bottom of each "useless, senseless and unwanted
email" you recieve, there is an "UNSUBSCRIBE" link, which
allows you to, ummmm, u-n-s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e!
Actually, the ubsub instructions aren't coming through here. Just
letting you know... Message below deliberately quoted in its
entirety.
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its impossible to unsubscribe to your weather email for which i don't want,don't need.and wish someone at your end were smart enough to stop sending them to me. you people have one hellof a staff or too much time on your hands, i get your useless,senseless, and unwanted email every day every day. stop already.
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I sent an unsub to the Majordomo with a CC to the
offended party (and, I suspect, a net-newbie)
Hopefully, the "Major" will understand (I changed
my reply-to) or failing that, JFHx6 will be able to workout what needs to be
done from their end.
I should have pointed out that a sub request would
have been made in the first place, but I think the gist would have been lost
:)
To misquote a famous native American, "...I shall
visit this thread no more, forever"
....And to qualify this for the WX list: It's
cloudy here.
Pete
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At 03:33 PM 1/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
Ahhhh, I'm
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Did you subscribe in the
first place? If so why? If you keep getting sent these unwanted e-mails you
must have plenty in your inbox, try clicking on one, read to the bottom of the
page, there you will find easy instructions on how to unsubscribe, that even a
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Just heard back from the Major....
So either they finally worked it out, the list
owners decided to get rid of this impolite AOLer, or they are trying to unsub
from a different account name. (JFHx6: Take note of the
latter if you get this)
Still cloudy
Pete
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you must have plenty in your inbox, try clicking on one, read to the bottom of
the page, there you will find easy instructions on how to unsubscribe, that
even a 5 year old could understand!
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brisbane warning
its impossible to unsubscribe
to your weather email for which i don't want,don't need.and wish someone at
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HI All.
As soon as this email came
through.. i unsubscribed him straight away. which was at 1.29pm .. This is why
it would show he is not a member.
I also sent an email to him
directly, asking why the hell he subscribed in the first place..
So i dare say, he wont be getting
any of these emails..
Farewell to him
Dave
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Just heard back from the Major....
So either they finally worked it out, the list
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from a different account name. (JFHx6: Take note of the
latter if you get this)
Still cloudy
Pete
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its impossible to
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From: "stephen galowski"
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I live in a suburb of brisbane
I have always been interested in weather and it many hazards.
I now own a weather station from this company as well .
However I am now working with a company in brendale queensland which sell
this type of equipment .
I am also been asked to do software engineering for this company and also do
qa on
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Subject: Re: Spam Alert: Re: aus-wx: north brisbane warning
From: Dale Small
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As a general rule i have worked out over time, messages to the list which
are mailed in html format *groans* generally do not come complete with the
unsubscribe option, however in a plain text format it will come up with the
link below..
If one or 2 of those unwanted postings were actually read, a link might have
been found, you dont have to be smart to work that out ;-)
Sunny here with some low level rubbish flowing onshore in the ENE winds..
Dale
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On Sun, 1 Dec 2002 05:01 pm, Dale Small wrote this piece of wisdom:
> As a general rule i have worked out over time, messages to the list which
> are mailed in html format *groans* generally do not come complete with the
> unsubscribe option, however in a plain text format it will come up with the
> link below..
Why don't you block HTML emails and just convert them to plain text? Thanks,
David
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From: Dale Small
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Thankyou sincerely for the returned words of wisdom, i will do everything in
my power to block html emails that get sent to the mailing list here, even
after numerous requests from un-named members requesting that they be sent
in simple and easy plain text.
I am very humbled..
*Can also smell the rain in the air and crossing fingers*
To be honest, i couldnt give a flying stuff David but at least people know
how to unsubscribe if they feel they are being spammed in the first place.
Back on topic though, looks like some rather nice cells in the Wide Bay
area, i hope everyone on TDU is having a blast, it sure looks very nice up
that way although down this end of town there doesnt seem to be a lot
happening.. still any rain will be good, the falls of the last couple of
days have saved us $70 for a truckload of water and have caused us to try
and rebuild our ride-on mower for the grass is beginning to get rather tall
and green again.
Regards
Dale
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From: "Laurier Williams"
To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com"
Subject: aus-wx: 23 October Dust Storm report
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 08:55:52 -0000
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I've written up this event rather belatedly, and there's a rather juicy sat
pic of it at http://australianweathernews.com.
Laurier
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From: "Laurier Williams"
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:06:50 -0000
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Those of you that don't trawl through the WeatherZone forum may have missed
Ben Quinn's discovery of a fabulous satellite image site from NASA. The
images are available down to 250 metre (250 metre) resolution, though at
this size they are a hefty 7 to 10mb, but really worth the wait. The site
may not be intuitive to those who aren't familiar with satellite orbits, so
I've written some simple instructions -- check the Weather Site News on the
main page at http://australianweathernews.com. You really must try at least
one of the 250m images; they're clear enough to be able to pick out urban
area detail, so the detail in cloud structures is phenomenal! A nice image
to whet the appetite is the 00.55 Terra/MODIS image for today 1 December,
which shows most of South Australia cloud free, but some nice patterns in
the clouds to the south.
As there is a full archive back to April 2001, you can happily while away an
evening looking for images of Australia. Also, check out the Gallery page,
and type "Australia" into the search engine. Most of the images are of
bushfires, but that's because the prime purpose of the site is fire
detection and monitoring.
Laurier
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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 20:18:52 +0800
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Today I flew back from Kuala Lumpur to Hong Kong and while we were about
1700 km away - somewhere SE of Ho Chi Min City - over the South China
Sea, the captain announced that everybody should return to their seats as
soon as possible and make sure their seat belts were securely fastened.
The plane was travelling steady and smooth without the slightest hint of
turbulence when he made the announcement. The sun was streaming down and
the clouds were way down below near the sea surface. We were flying at
38000 feet.
Then about two minutes after the announcement there was some quite rough
turbulence like when one is flying through a thunderstorm but still there
was no sign of cloud anywhere near the aeroplane. We were flying at 880
km/h so I estimated each patch of turbulence to be 30 - 50 km followed by
30 - 50 km of still air followed by more turbulence. After a few patches
like this, the captain turned off the seat belt sign about 20 seconds
before running out of the last patch of turbulence. The rest of the
flight was uneventful.
My question is, what was causing the turbulence in clear air? And what
could the captain see to alert him that turbulence was going to be
straight ahead of us before we actually reached it? And how did he know
that the turbulence was going to end before we actually flew out of it?
Has anyone any ideas?
Phil
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HI Phil,
Ive been a keen air monitor for years. Other people on this list may be able
to explain better.
The Aircaft these days have Clear Air Turbulence (CAT) radars in their
cockpits. They are very complicated weather radar systems. I suggest to
search on www.google.com for more info on these instruments.
Regards
Dave
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Subject: aus-wx: Air turbulence with no cloud?
> Today I flew back from Kuala Lumpur to Hong Kong and while we were about
> 1700 km away - somewhere SE of Ho Chi Min City - over the South China
> Sea, the captain announced that everybody should return to their seats as
> soon as possible and make sure their seat belts were securely fastened.
> The plane was travelling steady and smooth without the slightest hint of
> turbulence when he made the announcement. The sun was streaming down and
> the clouds were way down below near the sea surface. We were flying at
> 38000 feet.
> Then about two minutes after the announcement there was some quite rough
> turbulence like when one is flying through a thunderstorm but still there
> was no sign of cloud anywhere near the aeroplane. We were flying at 880
> km/h so I estimated each patch of turbulence to be 30 - 50 km followed by
> 30 - 50 km of still air followed by more turbulence. After a few patches
> like this, the captain turned off the seat belt sign about 20 seconds
> before running out of the last patch of turbulence. The rest of the
> flight was uneventful.
> My question is, what was causing the turbulence in clear air? And what
> could the captain see to alert him that turbulence was going to be
> straight ahead of us before we actually reached it? And how did he know
> that the turbulence was going to end before we actually flew out of it?
> Has anyone any ideas?
>
>
> Phil
> <><
>
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Reports from aircraft ahead on the same route and altitude. Standard
procedure.
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:49:16 +1100
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Hi Phil,
As one of the forecasters that look after aviation above 10kft, I should
make some comments. I didn't forecast for the area you mentioned so I am
only inferring what happened from you comments.
Short answer to your question: Excellent forecast combined with a very
experienced captain resulted in no one getting injured.
Clear air turb (CAT) probably occur more often than people realise but
aviation industry plan around these areas to keep incidents to a minimal.
Sometimes CAT areas are very hard to forecast, as you can't see them (kind
of like a black hole - you have to infer from stuff happening around it).
Many reasons for CAT areas. Common ones are - jet with a strong anticyclonic
curvature, when a lower jet undercut a higher one, when there is a sharp
upper trough, when flow diverge, etc (you get my drift).
In the tropics, sometimes it appears that planes experience CAT because they
are flying well above the cloud. However, most of the time, the turb is
actually due to CBs!!! (Jets tend to occur further away from the deep
tropics due to lack to temp gradient. Hence CAT due to jets don't really
occur in the tropics). With right conditions, CB updrafts can grow very tall
(>45kft) in very short time. Fast growing CBs below can cause planes to
experience turb even though they are well above the clouds.
Had a quick look at both the Washington & Bracknell forecasts (They look
after Nthn Hem). There was no CAT forecast for the area for either of them.
I also checked the winds and noted that they were pretty weak (<60kt).
However, both Bracknell & Washington had areas of CBs in the area you
mentioned. My guess is that you experienced CAT (turb) due to CBs. (Not sure
of exact time of your flight but max CB activities is ~12z)
As David mentioned, radar would have alerted the captain to what was
happening and he was skilful enough to pinpoint when turb was about to start
and end. Also mentioned by Peter, reports by other planes or talking to the
Air Traffic Controllers would have given the captain the heads up.
Hope this helps,
Tuan (Melb)
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Subject: aus-wx: Air turbulence with no cloud?
> Today I flew back from Kuala Lumpur to Hong Kong and while we were about
> 1700 km away - somewhere SE of Ho Chi Min City - over the South China
> Sea, the captain announced that everybody should return to their seats as
> soon as possible and make sure their seat belts were securely fastened.
> The plane was travelling steady and smooth without the slightest hint of
> turbulence when he made the announcement. The sun was streaming down and
> the clouds were way down below near the sea surface. We were flying at
> 38000 feet.
> Then about two minutes after the announcement there was some quite rough
> turbulence like when one is flying through a thunderstorm but still there
> was no sign of cloud anywhere near the aeroplane. We were flying at 880
> km/h so I estimated each patch of turbulence to be 30 - 50 km followed by
> 30 - 50 km of still air followed by more turbulence. After a few patches
> like this, the captain turned off the seat belt sign about 20 seconds
> before running out of the last patch of turbulence. The rest of the
> flight was uneventful.
> My question is, what was causing the turbulence in clear air? And what
> could the captain see to alert him that turbulence was going to be
> straight ahead of us before we actually reached it? And how did he know
> that the turbulence was going to end before we actually flew out of it?
> Has anyone any ideas?
>
>
> Phil
> <><
>
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> Doctor Disk E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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Hello Everybody, heres the weather for Mena,
Arkansas for November, 2002.
Avg. High: 58.6F(14.7C)
Avg. Low: 35.2F(1.6C)
High: 75F(23.8C)
Nov. 9
Low: 22F(-5.5C)
Nov. 28 (Thanksgiving)
Rain for Month: 2.55IN(64.7 mm)
(-2.35IN/-59.6 mm)
Rain for Year: 56.75IN(1,441.4 mm)
(+4.55IN/+115.5 mm)
Dry toward the end of the month, as no rain fell
from Nov. 6-24th.
I want to wish all of you a Happy & Safe
December and a very Happy New Year!
Yours David Powell
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Hi all.
I am new to the list and weather stations so please excuse my lack of
knowledge.
Currently I am locating a weather station at my place of residence and I
also have one some 150kms away which sends its data back via VHF radio. Like
a lot of sites this data will end up on my web site.
What I want to know is on some of these web sites they include forcasts,
pictures etc from BOM and I was wondering how this goes with copyright etc.
I would like to include some lightning strike stuff, sat pictures and
rainfall radar stuff. Can anyone give me a place where I can get this kind
of stuff either at a small cost etc or for free? I have found a supplier of
a piece of hardware that couples with a computer can do lightning strike
info and may look at this at some stage.
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Hi Peter,
I am not that sure myself. I once had the belief that the data is not
copyright, only the presentation of it.
Please do not take my answer as being correct.
Michael
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> Hi all.
>
> I am new to the list and weather stations so please excuse my lack of
> knowledge.
>
> Currently I am locating a weather station at my place of residence and I
> also have one some 150kms away which sends its data back via VHF radio.
Like
> a lot of sites this data will end up on my web site.
>
> What I want to know is on some of these web sites they include forcasts,
> pictures etc from BOM and I was wondering how this goes with copyright
etc.
>
> I would like to include some lightning strike stuff, sat pictures and
> rainfall radar stuff. Can anyone give me a place where I can get this kind
> of stuff either at a small cost etc or for free? I have found a supplier
of
> a piece of hardware that couples with a computer can do lightning strike
> info and may look at this at some stage.
>
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Hi all,
I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great guster
which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several homes. It
was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just wandered
across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
Photos are here: http://www.wilgatree.com/reporting/20021130_goldcoast.htm
Rhett
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:23:09 +1030 (Cen. Australia Daylight Time)
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you lucky sod,
terrific pics, great shelfie and rain core,
any rotation?
what about CGs and thunder?
richard
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Storm on the Gold Coast - 30/11
Hi all, I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great guster which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several homes. It was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just wandered across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
Photos are here: http://www.wilgatree.com/reporting/20021130_goldcoast.htm
Rhett
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GREAT photos, love those cloud formations and the wall!
Cheers
James
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Storm on the Gold Coast - 30/11
Hi all,
I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great
guster
which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several homes.
It
was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just
wandered
across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
Photos are here:
http://www.wilgatree.com/reporting/20021130_goldcoast.htm
Rhett
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Hi Rune,
We got 27mm in total for that event and nothing during the Saturday hail
event that Quakers Hill received.
Cheers,
Jimmy Deguara
At 03:52 PM 29/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm
> front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of
> telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
> recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
> with erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a
> rain event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would
> have set it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>>To:
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>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
>>
>>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer. We can't see the
>>storm for the low drifting misty cloud. I have looked at the radar. Can
>>any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
>>
>>Judy
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Hey Rhett,
Absolutely fantastic photos you've got there! I just love that guster!!!!!
Michael Bath, Rodney Wallbridge and I were chasing on Saturday and watched
it develop and move over the Gold Coast. Thunder was constant from our
location at Ocean Shores! We tried to chase it but couldn't make it in time.
I'm really glad you got to take some pictures for us! I've put some photos
up on my site of the storms that day. They start a little over half way down
the page, at Parrots Nest.
http://www.lexicon.net/stormboy2002/photography/dave13.htm
I'm pretty sure this is the storm you saw on the Gold Coast:
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/1130de11.jpg
However it may have been a storm that occured a bit further south of what
you saw. Anyway, thanks for sharing those pictures with us!!
Dave Ellem
Wollongbar,
Northern Rivers,
NE NSW
http://www.lexicon.net/stormboy2002/
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Storm on the Gold Coast - 30/11
> Hi all,
> I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great
guster
> which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several homes.
It
> was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just wandered
> across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
>
> Photos are here: http://www.wilgatree.com/reporting/20021130_goldcoast.htm
>
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From: David Jones
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Things have been a bit busy of late, hence the lack of emails, but the next
few days holds out enough interesting WX to trigger an email.
First today, and catching me somewhat by surprise, looks like it could get
rather thundery over the east half/two thirds of Victoria. It is not easy
picking the line of the trough which sits over Victoria, but one suspects
the area near and east of the trough line will probably be the focus for
much of the storm activity. Interestingly, the pressure in recent hours has
been falling through central Victoria but rising or steady to the west and
east, suggesting the trough is currently deepening down through central
parts. At the same time, for those further north, the strong upper trough
from the bight has linked up very nicely with moisture associated with the
low and convection near Timor, with plenty of storms through the centre etc.
Further out, Victoria and Tasmania could get a significant summer cold
outbreak on Wednesday/Thursday. GASP, NOGAPS and UK models are all going for
a good SW flow (somewhat cyclonic) with thickness values below 540 reaching
into southern Victoria. Such a set up would see heavy squally showers in the
south, with a good chance of cold air thunderstorms and small hail (also
snow down to ~1000m in the south).
And then... for the west the moisture currently streaming inland will
continue to build, and the passage of the upper trough around mid week and
the establishment of general north to northeast flow could well form the
ingredients for a very thundery period across much of the NT and Western
Australia. At very long range watch out for a possible linkage of this
moisture into the next front/mid latitude trough around Saturday for the
southeast.
Dr David Jones
Head of Climate Analysis Section
National Climate Centre
Bureau of Meteorology
GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne
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email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
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Ph (work) : (+61 3) 9669 4085
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I managed to get this (somewhat flawed) panorama of the gustfront(s)
associated with the storm that went through southern areas of Sydney on
Saturday afternoon (at about 1800 EDT). It's taken from the cricket
ground we had just vacated at Taren Point.
http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan_sm.jpg (smaller
version)
http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan.jpg
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Hi everyone,
Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near
Penrith).. it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles
and a bit bigger covering the ground. I don't know how cold it got but
it became very chilly indeed. The storm has since passed and now we
have blue skies again!!
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Hey Jimbo, i wouldn't call it a 'hail event' :), although there was 2
minutes of heavy rain with tiny hail, im surprised you missed out it must
have edged just southeast of you. Anyway i have some nice footage of it in
its earlier stages near Camden and approaching with a long lasted lowering
that looked menacing to say the least!.
>From: Jimmy Deguara
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>Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:24:21 +1100
>
>Hi Rune,
>
>We got 27mm in total for that event and nothing during the Saturday hail
>event that Quakers Hill received.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 03:52 PM 29/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>> G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm
>>front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of
>>telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
>>recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
>>with erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a
>>rain event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would
>>have set it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Adam Mayo"
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>>>To:
>>>Subject: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
>>>
>>>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer. We can't see the
>>>storm for the low drifting misty cloud. I have looked at the radar. Can
>>>any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
>>>
>>>Judy
>>
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Hi Rune!
I was at doonside at the time and that lowering went right over my girlfriends
house.. got a few photos/video and we got 1/2cm hail as well.
Matt Smith
Rune Peitersen wrote:
> Hey Jimbo, i wouldn't call it a 'hail event' :), although there was 2
> minutes of heavy rain with tiny hail, im surprised you missed out it must
> have edged just southeast of you. Anyway i have some nice footage of it in
> its earlier stages near Camden and approaching with a long lasted lowering
> that looked menacing to say the least!.
>
> >From: Jimmy Deguara
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
> >Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:24:21 +1100
> >
> >Hi Rune,
> >
> >We got 27mm in total for that event and nothing during the Saturday hail
> >event that Quakers Hill received.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
> >
> >At 03:52 PM 29/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> >> G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the storm
> >>front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way of
> >>telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
> >>recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
> >>with erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of a
> >>rain event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier would
> >>have set it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Adam Mayo"
> >>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >>>To:
> >>>Subject: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
> >>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
> >>>
> >>>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer. We can't see the
> >>>storm for the low drifting misty cloud. I have looked at the radar. Can
> >>>any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
> >>>
> >>>Judy
> >>
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Had several lightning strikes today that have
started fires in the area and with very little rainfall is a bit scary. At
approx 4pm while at Springhurst on my school bus a strike went to ground at/on
the SW edge of the Chiltern forest and appeared to be burning fairly well as we
got a little closer. Strong smell of smoke while in the Chiltern
area.
Point 2 mm scored here up to now
(5.25pm).
Bussy (Rutherglen NE
Victoria)
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Hi every1,
Further to David's post...about 10.30 this morning I was surprised (although
it had been humid and the odd Acca about) to hear thunder!
Popped out with the digital camera the school bought (Kodak DC5000) and
snapped a depressingly low-topped Cb, which seemed to be responsible.
The trough line seemed to be further east of me as the day wore
on...alas..anda check of the lightning tracker confirmed it getting nastier
way east.
No rain but a thunderday nonetheless!!!
Cheers,
Kevin Phyland
Wycheproof.
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about a web cam at Busselton...
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Another quickie has just gone over with lots of
CG's and very little rain. Point 2 again. Heard the fire truck go out again just
as it was getting warmed up :-(
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Victoria)
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Matt and Rune,
I am never surprised we miss action although we had substantial rain in the
27mm on Friday which is quite a significant fall. Rune what did you get all
up from that 24 hour period being so close?
Jimmy Deguara
At 02:45 PM 3/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> Hey Jimbo, i wouldn't call it a 'hail event' :), although there was 2
> minutes of heavy rain with tiny hail, im surprised you missed out it must
> have edged just southeast of you. Anyway i have some nice footage of it
> in its earlier stages near Camden and approaching with a long lasted
> lowering that looked menacing to say the least!.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Jimmy Deguara
>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>>Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:24:21 +1100
>>
>>Hi Rune,
>>
>>We got 27mm in total for that event and nothing during the Saturday hail
>>event that Quakers Hill received.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Jimmy Deguara
>>
>>At 03:52 PM 29/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>>> G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the
>>> storm front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only
>>> way of telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!,
>>> have recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds
>>> along with erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like
>>> more of a rain event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks
>>> earlier would have set it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Adam Mayo"
>>>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>>>To:
>>>>Subject: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>>>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
>>>>
>>>>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer. We can't see
>>>>the storm for the low drifting misty cloud. I have looked at the
>>>>radar. Can any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of Sydney.
>>>>
>>>>Judy
>>>
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Andrew,
I am glad somebody was in position to photograph this great structured
severe storm. Excellent photographs. It will be interesting to see how the
video turns out.
Jimmy Deguara
At 12:01 PM 3/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>I managed to get this (somewhat flawed) panorama of the gustfront(s)
>associated with the storm that went through southern areas of Sydney on
>Saturday afternoon (at about 1800 EDT). It's taken from the cricket
>ground we had just vacated at Taren Point.
>
>http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan_sm.jpg (smaller
>version)
>http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan.jpg
>
>Andrew.
>
>
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>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near
>Penrith).. it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles
>and a bit bigger covering the ground. I don't know how cold it got but
>it became very chilly indeed. The storm has since passed and now we
>have blue skies again!!
>
>Wendy
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I have put together a Storm tracker animation from Friday the 29th through
to saturday 30th november, 155 images from 5:30am Friday morning to 7:30pm
Saturday afternoon. www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/anim-st-29-30nov.gif
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> Andrew,
>
> I am glad somebody was in position to photograph this great structured
> severe storm. Excellent photographs. It will be interesting to see how the
> video turns out.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 12:01 PM 3/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> >I managed to get this (somewhat flawed) panorama of the gustfront(s)
> >associated with the storm that went through southern areas of Sydney on
> >Saturday afternoon (at about 1800 EDT). It's taken from the cricket
> >ground we had just vacated at Taren Point.
> >
> >http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan_sm.jpg (smaller
> >version)
> >http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan.jpg
> >
> >Andrew.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near
> >Penrith).. it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles
> >and a bit bigger covering the ground. I don't know how cold it got but
> >it became very chilly indeed. The storm has since passed and now we
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> >
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G'day David & All,
Some good thunderstorm cells moved thru NE of
Devonport last night, producing some excellent
displays. The build-up started late arvo and became
active around 8pm and continued to after midnight.
Just waiting now to see what this good looking low can
do when it hits - the rain band is sitting on the west
coast atm.
Andrew.
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>
> First today, and catching me somewhat by surprise,
> looks like it could get
> rather thundery over the east half/two thirds of
> Victoria. It is not easy
> picking the line of the trough which sits over
> Victoria, but one suspects
> the area near and east of the trough line will
> probably be the focus for
> much of the storm activity. Interestingly, the
> pressure in recent hours has
> been falling through central Victoria but rising or
> steady to the west and
> east, suggesting the trough is currently deepening
> down through central
> parts. At the same time, for those further north,
> the strong upper trough
> from the bight has linked up very nicely with
> moisture associated with the
> low and convection near Timor, with plenty of storms
> through the centre etc.
>
> Further out, Victoria and Tasmania could get a
> significant summer cold
> outbreak on Wednesday/Thursday. GASP, NOGAPS and UK
> models are all going for
> a good SW flow (somewhat cyclonic) with thickness
> values below 540 reaching
> into southern Victoria. Such a set up would see
> heavy squally showers in the
> south, with a good chance of cold air thunderstorms
> and small hail (also
> snow down to ~1000m in the south).
>
> And then... for the west the moisture currently
> streaming inland will
> continue to build, and the passage of the upper
> trough around mid week and
> the establishment of general north to northeast flow
> could well form the
> ingredients for a very thundery period across much
> of the NT and Western
> Australia. At very long range watch out for a
> possible linkage of this
> moisture into the next front/mid latitude trough
> around Saturday for the
> southeast.
>
> Dr David Jones
>
> Head of Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne
> Victoria 3001, Australia
> email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
> Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> Ph (work) : (+61 3) 9669 4085
> Ph (home) : (+61 3) 9755 1923
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Rune Peitersen"
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
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Pretty similar on Friday with 29mm, Saturday scored 10.5mm (this is the
one that skirted you?) It did seem to be heaviest to my southwest and over
the Blacktown area, Doonside sounds about right Matt, was there nice
rotation associated? from a distance all i could make out was the scuddy
cloud underneath it which was swirling quite a bit
>From: Jimmy Deguara
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 19:07:43 +1100
>
>Matt and Rune,
>
>I am never surprised we miss action although we had substantial rain in the
>27mm on Friday which is quite a significant fall. Rune what did you get all
>up from that 24 hour period being so close?
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 02:45 PM 3/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>> Hey Jimbo, i wouldn't call it a 'hail event' :), although there was 2
>>minutes of heavy rain with tiny hail, im surprised you missed out it must
>>have edged just southeast of you. Anyway i have some nice footage of it
>>in its earlier stages near Camden and approaching with a long lasted
>>lowering that looked menacing to say the least!.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Jimmy Deguara
>>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>>>Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 23:24:21 +1100
>>>
>>>Hi Rune,
>>>
>>>We got 27mm in total for that event and nothing during the Saturday hail
>>>event that Quakers Hill received.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Jimmy Deguara
>>>
>>>At 03:52 PM 29/11/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>>>> G;day Judy, at Quakers Hill just made it home from work b4 the
>>>>storm front hit, AM radio was beserk on the way home, it was my only way
>>>>of telling there were great storms around as visibility was poor!, have
>>>>recieved 21 mm here in 50 mins, with heavy rain and strong winds along
>>>>with erratic cg's in all directions, no hail though, looks like more of
>>>>a rain event now with some embedded stuff, some sunny breaks earlier
>>>>would have set it up even better, still cg's around the place here :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Adam Mayo"
>>>>>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>>>>>To:
>>>>>Subject: aus-wx: Mona Vale Thunder
>>>>>Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:38:50 +1100
>>>>>
>>>>>It is actually thundering and seemingly getting closer. We can't see
>>>>>the storm for the low drifting misty cloud. I have looked at the
>>>>>radar. Can any of you guys see what is going on from other parts of
>>>>>Sydney.
>>>>>
>>>>>Judy
>>>>
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From: Peter May
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Subject: aus-wx: Where to buy?
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:22:58 +1100
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Hi all. Please excuse my posting if this is a bit off topic.
I am in need to buy a weather station and have found plenty outside
Australia but not a huge variety (web sites that is) of info. I did find one
company in Sydney selling Pete Bros stuff but it was around $400 on top of
the price out of the states even after money conversion.
I actually need 2. I have however built one since I had access to a lathe
etc. this one is remote to my location and transmits data back via radio so
it doesn't have to have an interface but I am interested if there are any
out there with no inteface but able to get data out of say with a serial
connection.
and the second is for my main office. I need to measure the usual temp (only
has to be outside, inside is a bonus), humidity, barometric pressure, rain
and how heavy if possible, wind direction and speed and thats about it. I
would like a display with this one and the ability to store some info if my
computer is offline but normally to be hooked up to my computer and sending
the data to it. I write software myself so I would like the data format to
be avialable etc...
Gee not much hey? I wonder if I can get one to iron my shirts. Anyway where
in Aus is there a site or place I can contact likely to have quality for
dollars at a fair price?
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From: "Bussy"
To: "aussie-weather"
Subject: aus-wx: Red rain again
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 17:50:33 +1100
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Very, very light "red rain" falling here at
present. It's knocking me up washing all the cars at work all the time
:-)
Bussy (Rutherglen NE
Victoria)
From: "arky dave"
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G'December to All:
A vigorous
Canadian cold front is plowing through Texas, making for a good temp contrast.
As of 12:53 A.M. Wed. Dec. 4th: In Amarillo it was 20F(-6.6C) with light snow
and a wind chill of 4F(-15.5C) while at the same time Brownsville had 72F(22.2C)
and fair skies. (More cool news for ya'll). Tuesday in Mena was a cloudy, raw
day with steady rain and a very chilly N/NE wind with temps hanging around
38F(3.3C). We've a chance of rain/sleet/snow flurries this morning--so I guess
you can't keep Old Man Winter away forever. I guess you can imagine yourself
here and getting cooled off and I can dream about being over in Aus and getting
a tan on a beach!!!
BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to
Everyone!
Yours David (Looking for Snowflakes)
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From: "Andrew Miskelly"
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:54:51 +1100
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Ironically, the fires in Sydney gave a one-in-a-million view of the
eclipse late this afternoon to anyone who was east of them.
I was on the train at Kogarah (3 hours after leaving North Sydney!) when
I first sighted it through the Alford's Point fire. Amazing - you could
just look straight at it as it was setting into the plume, eventually
becoming as dull as the smoke itself. I'm extremely disappointed that I
didn't have my camera!
Not surprisingly the synoptic setup for today's (and no-doubt the rest
of the week's) fires is text-book for the east coast. Snowing at Mt
Hotham by late afternoon, mild and windy on the tablelands, hot, dry and
windy on the coast.
Andrew.
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From: "Jane ONeill"
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Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:27:44 +1100
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A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
Larger images here...
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
Jane
--------------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Miskelly"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:54 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Fires and the Eclipse
> Ironically, the fires in Sydney gave a one-in-a-million view of the
> eclipse late this afternoon to anyone who was east of them.
>
> I was on the train at Kogarah (3 hours after leaving North Sydney!)
when
> I first sighted it through the Alford's Point fire. Amazing - you
could
> just look straight at it as it was setting into the plume, eventually
> becoming as dull as the smoke itself. I'm extremely disappointed that
I
> didn't have my camera!
>
> Not surprisingly the synoptic setup for today's (and no-doubt the rest
> of the week's) fires is text-book for the east coast. Snowing at Mt
> Hotham by late afternoon, mild and windy on the tablelands, hot, dry
and
> windy on the coast.
>
> Andrew.
>
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From: "Ben Jerrems"
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Eclipse
Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 23:26:08 +1100
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Nice images Jane, But i was told that polarizing lens's of any sort are still harmfull!
Ben
BEANZVISION Photographics.
>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:27:44 +1100
>
>A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
>
>Larger images here...
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
>
>Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
>Australian Sky & Weather
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>
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>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Miskelly"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:54 PM
>Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Fires and the Eclipse
>
>
> > Ironically, the fires in Sydney gave a one-in-a-million view of the
> > eclipse late this afternoon to anyone who was east of them.
> >
> > I was on the train at Kogarah (3 hours after leaving North Sydney!)
>when
> > I first sighted it through the Alford's Point fire. Amazing - you
>could
> > just look straight at it as it was setting into the plume, eventually
> > becoming as dull as the smoke itself. I'm extremely disappointed that
>I
> > didn't have my camera!
> >
> > Not surprisingly the synoptic setup for today's (and no-doubt the rest
> > of the week's) fires is text-book for the east coast. Snowing at Mt
> > Hotham by late afternoon, mild and windy on the tablelands, hot, dry
>and
> > windy on the coast.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:54:07 +1100
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Hi Ben,
I looked only sideways at the screen on the back of the camera
rather than through the sunglasses to focus, so I didn't actually look directly
at the sun at any time.
Jane
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Eclipse
Nice images Jane, But i was told that polarizing lens's of any sort are
still harmfull!
Ben
BEANZVISION
Photographics.
>From: "Jane ONeill"
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To:
>Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:27:44 +1100
>
>A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
>
>Larger images here...
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
>
>Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
>Australian Sky & Weather
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Andrew Miskelly"
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:54 PM
>Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Fires and the Eclipse
>
>
> > Ironically, the fires in Sydney gave a one-in-a-million
view of the
> > eclipse late this afternoon to anyone who was east of
them.
> >
> > I was on the train at Kogarah (3 hours after leaving
North Sydney!)
>when
> > I first sighted it through the Alford's Point fire.
Amazing - you
>could
> > just look straight at it as it was setting into the
plume, eventually
> > becoming as dull as the smoke itself. I'm extremely
disappointed that
>I
> > didn't have my camera!
> >
> > Not surprisingly the synoptic setup for today's (and
no-doubt the rest
> > of the week's) fires is text-book for the east coast.
Snowing at Mt
> > Hotham by late afternoon, mild and windy on the
tablelands, hot, dry
>and
> > windy on the coast.
> >
> > Andrew.
> >
> >
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I'm happy that you captured them though, i also tried to view it live on net but the site was down!! dam.
Ben
BEANZVISION Photographics.
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>To:
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Eclipse
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 23:54:07 +1100
>
>Hi Ben,
>
>I looked only sideways at the screen on the back of the camera rather than through the sunglasses to focus, so I didn't actually look directly at the sun at any time.
>
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at australianskynweather.com
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ben Jerrems
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Eclipse
>
>
> Nice images Jane, But i was told that polarizing lens's of any sort are still harmfull!
>
> Ben
> BEANZVISION Photographics.
>
> >From: "Jane ONeill"
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To:
> >Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
> >Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:27:44 +1100
> >
> >A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
> >
> >Larger images here...
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
> >
> >Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at australianskynweather.com
> >
> >Australian Sky & Weather
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Australian Severe Weather Assocn (ASWA)
> >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> >--------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew Miskelly"
> >To:
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:54 PM
> >Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Fires and the Eclipse
> >
> >
> > > Ironically, the fires in Sydney gave a one-in-a-million view of the
> > > eclipse late this afternoon to anyone who was east of them.
> > >
> > > I was on the train at Kogarah (3 hours after leaving North Sydney!)
> >when
> > > I first sighted it through the Alford's Point fire. Amazing - you
> >could
> > > just look straight at it as it was setting into the plume, eventually
> > > becoming as dull as the smoke itself. I'm extremely disappointed that
> >I
> > > didn't have my camera!
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> > > Not surprisingly the synoptic setup for today's (and no-doubt the rest
> > > of the week's) fires is text-book for the east coast. Snowing at Mt
> > > Hotham by late afternoon, mild and windy on the tablelands, hot, dry
> >and
> > > windy on the coast.
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Hi all.
Watching the eclipse this arvo on a hill in Donvale. Nice and clear to the
SE, apart from some cirrus blocking the sun at our maximum. Interesting
iridescence created as the sun shone through the cirrus.
Some light showers off to the NE, over the hills was the highlight though!!!
The light from the eclipsing sun generated some weird lighting effects, and
made some rainbows in the showers over the hills. Very intense colours,
with a weird depth to them, and almost no curves!!!!!! They just looked
like vertical stripes, reaching right up!!!!!!
Didn't have the digital cam on me, as Dad nicked it to use for work in
Sydney!!!!!!!!!! DAMN YOU DAD!!!!!!!!
In interesting cosmic ballet.
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Couldn't see anything here as it was raining (red mud). Great shots. Wanted
to show my kids, now I can. Thanks.
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Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
> A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
>
> Larger images here...
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
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> Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
>
> Jane
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Thanks for these great photos Jane !!
love
Sha
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A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
Larger images here...
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:35:02 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Eclipse
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I have some images if you like Jane taken through the dust and fading
light.
Greg
(Merbein)
On Thursday, December 5, 2002, at 07:07 AM, Bussy wrote:
> Couldn't see anything here as it was raining (red mud). Great shots.
> Wanted
> to show my kids, now I can. Thanks.
>
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>
>> A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
>>
>> Larger images here...
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
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>> Jane
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There was a picture in the local paper of a hail storm that occured in Palm
Valley, about 150kms West of Alice Springs. Can't get the picture onto the
'net at the moment. Sorry. The hailstones were golfball size. Although it
hails quite often around here (judging from the amount of red from Radar
images), it's rare that people actually get to see it. The BOM said that the
hail storm was from a supercell. These were quite common last week.
Cheers,
Duncan
Alice Springs
N.T.
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> I managed to get this (somewhat flawed) panorama of the gustfront(s)
> associated with the storm that went through southern areas of Sydney on
> Saturday afternoon (at about 1800 EDT). It's taken from the cricket
> ground we had just vacated at Taren Point.
>
> http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan_sm.jpg (smaller
> version)
> http://www.theweather.com.au/uploads/20021130am/pan.jpg
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> Andrew.
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> Hi everyone,
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> Today at about 3pm we had a hail storm here at St Clair NSW (near
> Penrith).. it lasted for about 10 mins max with hail the size marbles
> and a bit bigger covering the ground. I don't know how cold it got but
> it became very chilly indeed. The storm has since passed and now we
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At 12:24 AM 5/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>The light from the eclipsing sun generated some weird lighting effects,
>and made some rainbows in the showers over the hills. Very intense
>colours, with a weird depth to them, and almost no curves!!!!!! They just
>looked like vertical stripes, reaching right up!!!!!!
What was very interesting was the twilight. Because the sun was being
uncovered as it got further below the horizon, it seemed as though the
light level remained almost constant for nearly half an hour. A very
impressive "endless twilight" and somewhat interesting to see.
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Ooooh yeah - love those pics Rhett!
A job well done :)
At 10:33 PM 12/2/02 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great guster
>which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several homes. It
>was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just wandered
>across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
>
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From: "James Holbeach"
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:15:00 +1100
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** sorry if this appears on the list twice, but my e-mail has been
playing up **
I drove out of town after looking at the satellite image, and got as
far as Bacchus marsh. Drove south from their (near Brisbane ranges) and
got some lovely shots. These are just a few I shoved together quickly.
Took the GPS along too, most of these shots were taken at
37°53.764S
144°16.487E (elev 250m)
(~20-30k south of BM)
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/images/eclipse02/index.htm
The first two are projections of the eclipse through some binoculars.
The third pic was taken about 7:15pm just after the eclipse started
4th,5th,and 6th pics were all taken at maxiumum eclipse (~7:50pm).
Pretty nice corpuscle (sp?) ray shots !!!
The last shot was actually taken prior to first contact, but the rainbow
was extrodinary!
James Holbeach
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ph. 0417 553 757
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Couldn't see anything here as it was raining (red mud). Great shots.
Wanted
to show my kids, now I can. Thanks.
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From: "Jane ONeill"
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Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
> A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
>
> Larger images here...
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
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> Equipment...polarising sunglasses and a digital camera.
>
> Jane
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Grin. Glad I read further. I thought it was someone making rabbit ear
shadows on a piece of paper as a joke.
Very sorry, and apologise but I did fail to read further and had a laugh.
Well done though. I would never have thought of that.
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Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 8:15 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: The Eclipse
> ** sorry if this appears on the list twice, but my e-mail has been
> playing up **
> I drove out of town after looking at the satellite image, and got as
> far as Bacchus marsh. Drove south from their (near Brisbane ranges) and
> got some lovely shots. These are just a few I shoved together quickly.
>
> Took the GPS along too, most of these shots were taken at
>
> 37°53.764S
>
> 144°16.487E (elev 250m)
>
> (~20-30k south of BM)
>
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au/images/eclipse02/index.htm
>
>
>
> The first two are projections of the eclipse through some binoculars.
>
> The third pic was taken about 7:15pm just after the eclipse started
>
> 4th,5th,and 6th pics were all taken at maxiumum eclipse (~7:50pm).
> Pretty nice corpuscle (sp?) ray shots !!!
>
>
>
> The last shot was actually taken prior to first contact, but the rainbow
> was extrodinary!
>
> James Holbeach
> --------------------------------
> Trapdoor Ski Club
> Mt. Hotham, Australia
> ph. 0417 553 757
> http://www.trapdoor.com.au
> --------------------------------
>
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>
> Couldn't see anything here as it was raining (red mud). Great shots.
> Wanted
> to show my kids, now I can. Thanks.
>
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> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:27 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: The Eclipse
>
>
> > A few small images from here in Melbourne tonight
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01t.jpg
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02t.jpg
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03t.jpg
> >
> > Larger images here...
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon01.jpg
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon02.jpg
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/Dec02/1204jon03.jpg
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I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house is
standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
said they could almost see the flames!
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Channel 9 was broadcasting emergency numbers in its news. You could call
them and ask what number to ring (but not 000).
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> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
> said they could almost see the flames!
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ABC radio is a good source of info. They give all the numbers you can call.
People call them with information about fires in all area. 702 ABC is the
Sydney frequency.
Barbara
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> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
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hi damian,
there's also an exellent up to date thread running in weatherzone forums
breaking weather, 'act & nsw fires dec2002'
richard
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Subject: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba. Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house is standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is?? I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they said they could almost see the flames!
Damian 'My Website': http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html
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Yes Rhett, you have an artistic mind and seem to capture the scene. Love
those pics as well as other pics people have taken of late. Keep them coming.
Jimmy Deguara
At 07:44 PM 5/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Ooooh yeah - love those pics Rhett!
>
>A job well done :)
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>At 10:33 PM 12/2/02 +1100, you wrote:
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> >I was at Surfers Paradise on Saturday and got some photos of a great guster
> >which was followed by strong winds and hail which damaged several
> homes. It
> >was one of those amazing times when the storm came to me. I just wandered
> >across the road from where I was staying and there it was!
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I have just spoken to my friends in Second Avenue Nth Katoomba, and all is
ok so far
Max
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> ABC radio is a good source of info. They give all the numbers you can
call.
> People call them with information about fires in all area. 702 ABC is the
> Sydney frequency.
>
> Barbara
>
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>
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> > I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> > Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house
> is
> > standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> > I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago &
they
> > said they could almost see the flames!
> >
> > Damian
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:14:15 +1000
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Damian,
There are several websites with regular satellite updates on fires.
We have one based on NOAA imagery which is fairly coarse for your needs
but good for statewide and remote area monitoring:
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/SatelliteFireMonitor/
For the scale you need the NSW Rural Fires Service has some excellent
images and maps of the fires around the Greater Sydney region on their
website:
http://www.bushfire.nsw.gov.au.
there is also a csiro site based on modis data:
wwww.sentinel.csiro.au
Hope all goes well for your friends.
Cheers,
Lisa
Damian wrote:
>
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
> said they could almost see the flames!
>
> Damian
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:47:42 +1100
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Hi all,
NASA has just updated their latest publicly avail image of the NSW bushfires
this morning.
The very high resolution pic of the NSW fire on the 4/12 is located here.
http://naturalhazards.nasa.gov/shownh.php3?img_id=5283
Pics of the fires for yesterday and today should be available in the next
couple of days.
tuan
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Damian,
There are several websites with regular satellite updates on fires.
We have one based on NOAA imagery which is fairly coarse for your needs
but good for statewide and remote area monitoring:
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/SatelliteFireMonitor/
For the scale you need the NSW Rural Fires Service has some excellent
images and maps of the fires around the Greater Sydney region on their
website:
http://www.bushfire.nsw.gov.au.
there is also a csiro site based on modis data:
wwww.sentinel.csiro.au
Hope all goes well for your friends.
Cheers,
Lisa
Damian wrote:
>
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
> said they could almost see the flames!
>
> Damian
> 'My Website': http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html
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From: "Damian"
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Subject: aus-wx: November Averages
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:15:05 +1100
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The November Averages for my backyard in Sydney's Northern Suburbs
between Chatswood West & North Ryde, on the Lane Cove River
are:
Average Maximum: 29.5
Average Minimum: 14.5
Highest Maximum: 42.2 on the
25th
Lowest Minimum: 6.9 on the
5th
Rainfall:
61mm
For each days statistics for every month check out my website
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Subject: aus-wx: Re: Info on Bushfires needed!
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At 10:02 PM 5/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
>Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their house is
>standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
>I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago & they
>said they could almost see the flames!
>
>Damian
Hi Damian,
The CSIRO site http://www.sentinel.csiro.au/ is very good. When you zoom
into Katoomba it shows fires to the north of Katoomba in the Govetts Creek
valley at 23Z this morning. However you probably have to be careful with
using data from this site. It's from the Modus sensors on the NASA Terra
and Aqua polar orbiting satellites. These satellite only pass over an area
twice a day and sometimes the pass is not right over. The navigation and
the fire detection system could be affected, so the locations and
identifications may not be accurate in any particular case. This is a new
system.
Hope this is of interest.
Cheers
Hank de Wit
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 10:32:57 +0800
From: "Phil Smith"
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Temp contrast
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Hi Arky,
When I was in Texas (1977), we called it "the Texas Blue Norther". Warm
ahead of the front and freezing cold behind it. Clear blue sky, nice
and sunny, but if you go outside you feel thankful you weren't born a
brass monkey!
I left Houston one day riding a motorbike to Galveston - lovely sunny
day for a ride, I thought. When I reached Galveston it was 30F and the
television that night reported the coldest day recorded in Galveston for
350 years. I have never felt so cold in my life.
Phil
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Subject: aus-wx: Temp contrast
> G'December to All:
> A vigorous Canadian cold front is plowing through Texas, making
> for a good temp contrast. As of 12:53 A.M. Wed. Dec. 4th: In Amarillo
> it was 20F(-6.6C) with light snow and a wind chill of 4F(-15.5C) while
> at the same time Brownsville had 72F(22.2C) and fair skies. (More cool
> news for ya'll). Tuesday in Mena was a cloudy, raw day with steady rain
> and a very chilly N/NE wind with temps hanging around 38F(3.3C). We've
> a chance of rain/sleet/snow flurries this morning--so I guess you can't
> keep Old Man Winter away forever. I guess you can imagine yourself here
> and getting cooled off and I can dream about being over in Aus and
> getting a tan on a beach!!!
> BTW, Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to Everyone!
> Yours David (Looking for Snowflakes) Powell
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:42:54 +1100
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That was actually captured two days ago, the AQUA pass scheduled for
1:10pm (03:10 UTC) yesterday has not uploaded a pic, so unfortunately we
didn't get an updated shot. I'm waiting for the orbital tracking data
for today to come online so we can see when the next pass of Tera or
Aqua is for a more recent image.
This link provides direct access to the 2km,1km,500m, and 250m
resolution shots from each of those satellites, from which that picture
was captured.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/
As soon as the orbital data comes online, we'll be able to see when the
next pass is and therefore when we can get the most recent shot.
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tuan Phan
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Hi all,
NASA has just updated their latest publicly avail image of the NSW
bushfires
this morning.
The very high resolution pic of the NSW fire on the 4/12 is located
here.
http://naturalhazards.nasa.gov/shownh.php3?img_id=5283
Pics of the fires for yesterday and today should be available in the
next
couple of days.
tuan
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Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 11:14
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Damian,
There are several websites with regular satellite updates on fires.
We have one based on NOAA imagery which is fairly coarse for your needs
but good for statewide and remote area monitoring:
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/SatelliteFireMonitor/
For the scale you need the NSW Rural Fires Service has some excellent
images and maps of the fires around the Greater Sydney region on their
website:
http://www.bushfire.nsw.gov.au.
there is also a csiro site based on modis data:
wwww.sentinel.csiro.au
Hope all goes well for your friends.
Cheers,
Lisa
Damian wrote:
>
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their
house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago &
they
> said they could almost see the flames!
>
> Damian
> 'My Website': http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html
>
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:17:51 +1100
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Ok there is an AQUA pass scheduled for 03:55 UTC (1:55pm AEST) today
that should get that area. It may take a few hours to be uploaded
though.
There are no passes of the Tera satellite today, which would show the
region, but there will be one early tomorrow morning (I think-
approximate extrapolation)
Cheers
James
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
That was actually captured two days ago, the AQUA pass scheduled for
1:10pm (03:10 UTC) yesterday has not uploaded a pic, so unfortunately we
didn't get an updated shot. I'm waiting for the orbital tracking data
for today to come online so we can see when the next pass of Tera or
Aqua is for a more recent image.
This link provides direct access to the 2km,1km,500m, and 250m
resolution shots from each of those satellites, from which that picture
was captured.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/
As soon as the orbital data comes online, we'll be able to see when the
next pass is and therefore when we can get the most recent shot.
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
----------------------------------------
Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
University of Melbourne, Australia
ph. +61 3 8344 6652
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tuan Phan
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 11:48 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Hi all,
NASA has just updated their latest publicly avail image of the NSW
bushfires
this morning.
The very high resolution pic of the NSW fire on the 4/12 is located
here.
http://naturalhazards.nasa.gov/shownh.php3?img_id=5283
Pics of the fires for yesterday and today should be available in the
next
couple of days.
tuan
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Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 11:14
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Damian,
There are several websites with regular satellite updates on fires.
We have one based on NOAA imagery which is fairly coarse for your needs
but good for statewide and remote area monitoring:
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/SatelliteFireMonitor/
For the scale you need the NSW Rural Fires Service has some excellent
images and maps of the fires around the Greater Sydney region on their
website:
http://www.bushfire.nsw.gov.au.
there is also a csiro site based on modis data:
wwww.sentinel.csiro.au
Hope all goes well for your friends.
Cheers,
Lisa
Damian wrote:
>
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their
house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago &
they
> said they could almost see the flames!
>
> Damian
> 'My Website': http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html
>
>
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From: "Adam Mayo"
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Subject: aus-wx: Kuringai Fire
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:44:59 +1100
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Hell All,
We went out about an hour ago and saw the biggest
pyro cumulous smoke cloud that we have ever seen. Finished the film, hope
to get it printed tomorrow. The fire is about 17 k's from us and supposedly
following the track of the 1994 fires. The wind has been kind all morning
but is now gaining strength. Perhaps the wind change that they are talking
about for this evening will save us from a repeat of January, 1994.
Our fabulous R F S volunteers are out there
looking out for the safety of all in this area.
We even managed to see one of the Erricson
Heliocopters in action, but not close enough to photograph. He seemed to
be fighting a losing battle though.
Judy Mayo
Mona Vale N S W
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Subject: aus-wx: US Ice storm update
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:32:28 -0600
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Hello & Greetings to All:
Here is
some info on the Dec. 3-5 Snow/Ice storm (from The Weather Channel). Up to 1FT
(30.4cm) Snow fell in a band from New Mexico to Massachusetts... Power outages
from Oklahoma to Virginia...Hardest hit by the Ice Storm was North
Carolina/South Carolina where 1.5 Million homes/businesses are without
power...1IN(25.4mm) of Ice accumulation in Carpenter, N.C.....20 storm related
deaths (most in traffic accidents)....Thur. Dec. 5th= Record Snowfall for Date:
7IN(17.7cm) at Philadelphia, Pa...3.5IN(8.8cm) at Bridgeport, Ct. We here
in Mena only got a few snow flurries mixed with rain on Wednesday night. Rich
Mountain looked awesome with a glaze of ice glistening in the sun. The heaviest
snow/ice accumulations (closest to us) were in extreme N & NW Arkansas. We
escaped it this time WHEW!!!
Enjoy your weekend!
Yours David (Imagining WARM thoughts)
Powell
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:39:50 +1100
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And this is one of the relevant analysis charts..a
bit like one of our east coast lows in reverse. I think in the US it's called a
'northeaster'.
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Hello & Greetings to All:
Here
is some info on the Dec. 3-5 Snow/Ice storm (from The Weather Channel). Up to
1FT (30.4cm) Snow fell in a band from New Mexico to Massachusetts... Power
outages from Oklahoma to Virginia...Hardest hit by the Ice Storm was North
Carolina/South Carolina where 1.5 Million homes/businesses are without
power...1IN(25.4mm) of Ice accumulation in Carpenter, N.C.....20 storm related
deaths (most in traffic accidents)....Thur. Dec. 5th= Record Snowfall for
Date: 7IN(17.7cm) at Philadelphia, Pa...3.5IN(8.8cm) at Bridgeport, Ct.
We here in Mena only got a few snow flurries mixed with rain on Wednesday
night. Rich Mountain looked awesome with a glaze of ice glistening in the sun.
The heaviest snow/ice accumulations (closest to us) were in extreme N & NW
Arkansas. We escaped it this time WHEW!!!
Enjoy your weekend!
Yours David (Imagining WARM thoughts)
Powell
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Thanks for that. It's actually called a
Nor'easter. A few times each winter, states from
NC to Maine get plastered with monster Snowfall
and very gusty Northeast winds. Localities
closest to the Ocean may get copious rainfall.
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
>
> And this is one of the relevant analysis
charts..a bit like one of our east coast lows in
reverse. I think in the US it's called
a 'northeaster'.
>
>
http://aipswebu1.fnmoc.navy.mil/MyWxmap/servlet/sh
owChart?
action=select&mode=world&image=N_MN70N21W173W54R8C
0.gif&order=N_MN70N21W173W54-
0.xml&model=0&view=8&id=5771
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: arky dave
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:32 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: US Ice storm update
>
>
> Hello & Greetings to All:
> Here is some info on the Dec. 3-5
Snow/Ice storm (from The Weather Channel). Up to
1FT (30.4cm) Snow fell in a band from New Mexico
to Massachusetts... Power outages from Oklahoma
to Virginia...Hardest hit by the Ice Storm was
North Carolina/South Carolina where 1.5 Million
homes/businesses are without power...1IN(25.4mm)
of Ice accumulation in Carpenter, N.C.....20
storm related deaths (most in traffic
accidents)....Thur. Dec. 5th= Record Snowfall for
Date: 7IN(17.7cm) at Philadelphia, Pa...3.5IN
(8.8cm) at Bridgeport, Ct. We here in Mena only
got a few snow flurries mixed with rain on
Wednesday night. Rich Mountain looked awesome
with a glaze of ice glistening in the sun. The
heaviest snow/ice accumulations (closest to us)
were in extreme N & NW Arkansas. We escaped it
this time WHEW!!!
> Enjoy your weekend!
> Yours David (Imagining WARM thoughts) Powell
>
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Hi David.
An interesting event there yes, i have a very close friend who lives an hour
out of Jonesboro in NE Arkansas.. she told me all about it and upon further
research here (and with CNN helping) have found out a lot more info.
The other morning i was on the phone to her & could hear the branches
snapping and landing on her car (which was frozen solid also).
I think i will stick to the Supercells for some reason ;-)
Regards
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From: "James Holbeach"
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 01:44:56 +1100
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Ok here is the Aqua image (again highly cropped- full size see link
below) from today 1:50pm AEST (03:50 UTC)- I have posted 3 links; a high
res cropped shot, a low res cropped shot, and a link to the original.
High res ~300kb:
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/medSE-AUS-061202-fire-250m.jpg
Medium res ~ 120kb:
http://www.trapdoor.com.au/weather/smallSE-AUS-061202-fire-250m.jpg
I was hoping this would show more detail . . . unfort it was a bit to
far north . . .
The link to the full sized 250m res shot is below.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/production/single.cgi?2002340/crefl2_
143.A2002340035000-2002340035500.250m.jpg
Do not click on that unless u have cable ~ 7.5Mb
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
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Trapdoor Ski Club
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ph. 0417 553 757
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Ok there is an AQUA pass scheduled for 03:55 UTC (1:55pm AEST) today
that should get that area. It may take a few hours to be uploaded
though.
There are no passes of the Tera satellite today, which would show the
region, but there will be one early tomorrow morning (I think-
approximate extrapolation)
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
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University of Melbourne, Australia
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Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 1:43 PM
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That was actually captured two days ago, the AQUA pass scheduled for
1:10pm (03:10 UTC) yesterday has not uploaded a pic, so unfortunately we
didn't get an updated shot. I'm waiting for the orbital tracking data
for today to come online so we can see when the next pass of Tera or
Aqua is for a more recent image.
This link provides direct access to the 2km,1km,500m, and 250m
resolution shots from each of those satellites, from which that picture
was captured.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/
As soon as the orbital data comes online, we'll be able to see when the
next pass is and therefore when we can get the most recent shot.
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tuan Phan
Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 11:48 AM
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Hi all,
NASA has just updated their latest publicly avail image of the NSW
bushfires
this morning.
The very high resolution pic of the NSW fire on the 4/12 is located
here.
http://naturalhazards.nasa.gov/shownh.php3?img_id=5283
Pics of the fires for yesterday and today should be available in the
next
couple of days.
tuan
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Info on Bushfires needed!
Damian,
There are several websites with regular satellite updates on fires.
We have one based on NOAA imagery which is fairly coarse for your needs
but good for statewide and remote area monitoring:
http://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/SatelliteFireMonitor/
For the scale you need the NSW Rural Fires Service has some excellent
images and maps of the fires around the Greater Sydney region on their
website:
http://www.bushfire.nsw.gov.au.
there is also a csiro site based on modis data:
wwww.sentinel.csiro.au
Hope all goes well for your friends.
Cheers,
Lisa
Damian wrote:
>
> I have very close friends living in First Ave in North Katoomba.
> Doeas 'ANYONE' know or know how I can get information on how their
house
is
> standing up to the fire or where exactly the fre front is??
> I spoke to them just as they were being evacuated about an hour ago &
they
> said they could almost see the flames!
>
> Damian
> 'My Website': http://www.geocities.com/weatherdamo/index.html
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Subject: aus-wx: Eclipse - Ceduna SA
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:52:51 +1030
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Hi all,
Absolutely AWESOME! (You just can't describe an event like that in any other way.)
After finishing work here in Adelaide Monday
afternoon, my 4wd already packed the night before, I hit the road for
Streaky Bay where friends (Andrew & Kathryn) & I had accommodation
in a cabin at the local caravan park. Andrew & Kathryn arriving earlier
in the day & myself arriving around 12.30am Tuesday
morning.
Tuesday itself was spent doing the touristy thing
visiting the local attractions & taking plenty of pics & video. Finished
off the day with a bit of fishing along the shore then dinner at the local
pub.
Wednesday morning found the whole caravan park
awake early it seemed with everybody keen on making an early start on the day.
We arrived in Ceduna around 11am & headed straight for the BoM
facility near the airport for the latest info on the weather. We were told
that the cloud cover that was overhead at the time was probably going to
clear by late afternoon but they would know more later in the day.
So we spent the next couple of hours wondering
the streets of Ceduna taking in the sites & sounds, spending a little
$$$ here & there (some of us a little more then we had first planned ;)
& even watching a biplane doing an aerobatic display over the
foreshore.
A quick trip back to the BoM to check on updates
& we were invited inside to see the latest satellite pictures :)
The guys there told us that it would be better to
head inland a few km's for clear skies as the cloud cover over
Ceduna was hugging the coast mostly. They
then gave us a couple of maps of the local area & we thanked them
kindly for their help.
With around 4 hours still to go before first
contact we thought we'd go down to the foreshore & get ourselves a
spot to setup & see if this cloud overhead might clear or
not.
There was already a lot of people on the grassy
area along the coast setting up for the eclipse including one guy who had strung
up a hammock between the trees and had settles himself down with a good
book while he waited.
It was very windy & a bit chilly here on the
foreshore but we found a spot, set ourselves up & waited to see
what the weather was going to do. But with 2 hours to go things were not
looking any better, in fact the cloud cover seemed to be getting heavier &
the BoM's prediction for the event being clouded out had jumped from 20% to
40%.
It was time to make a judgment call.
We could stay in Ceduna, risk being clouded out
& missing the eclipse or we could hit the road, head north & try to get
out from under this cloud cover...
With everything packed in the 4wd, maps in hand, we
headed out of Ceduna in search of clear skies.
This wasn't as hard as it sounds as clear
blue skies could be seen north of Ceduna from the town itself and we
made our way towards the old OTC (overseas telecommunication
centre) facility, now used by the University of Tasmania ( http://kerr.phys.utas.edu.au/observatories/ceduna.html ).
With this dish as a backdrop on the far horizon we
found ourselves a nice little hill giving us a clear 360 deg. view
& set up our gear on the side of the dirt road. We were soon not alone on
*our* hill as others from the town had obviously made the same call as us
& were trying to find a better viewing spot. Even a mini-bus full of
overseas tourists complete with telescopes & cameras on tripods turned
up.
First contact! It was showtime.
Andrew had set up his Russian made 4.5" reflector
to project the Sun's image into a projection screen & I had my video camera
recording this image at intervals. A 35mm SLR camera on a tripod & a couple
of digital cameras were also used.
As second contact neared you could really see the
amount of sunlight diminish giving an appearance almost like sunlight shining
through a haze from a nearby bushfire - strange.
Then like someone slowly turning down a dimmer
switch in a room to 3/4 off then suddenly twisting the switch all the way
off... Second contact *really* took me by surprise!
There it was - Totality.
I'd seen the all pictures before & watched
the video clips on the TV & I thought I knew what to expect, but NOTHING
could prepare you for actually viewing your first total eclipse with your own
eyes - NOTHING!!!
Andrew stood there beside me "gob-smacked", totally
forgetting about his 35mm camera as the black disc of the moon stood out
boldly against the bright halo of the Sun's Corona in a Midnight blue sky.
Luckily Kathryn was on the ball & took over on the camera but then
halfway through Totality the camera ran out of film & the sickening
sound of the electric motor drive rewinding the film sounded like a freight
train in the silence of the moment! :(
We were set up a little off the centre line at
our location so our time in the moon's shadow was a little less then the 33sec.
that could have been and in what seemed like no time at all... Third
contact.
Like a brilliant burst of energy the Sun's light
shattered the awe of Totality giving us a brief glimpse of the (second)
"Diamond Ring" effect & stripping away the Midnight blue that had bathed the
surrounding sky. It was over. The moon now began it's retreat from the Sun &
slowly everything began to return to normal.
We watched the moon's retreat for a while then
decided to drive over to the old OTC facility and have a look at the 30m radio
dish. This facility had seen 99.9% of the Sun covered & was a mere 750m
outside the Totality line - so near, yet so far! It had been tracking the Sun
during the eclipse and while we were there the dish was shifted from
looking at the horizon (at the setting Sun) to facing directly overhead (parked
position).
With that last little show over we headed back
towards Streaky Bay as the last rays of Sunshine slipped below the horizon still
20% covered by the Moon...
We had travelled great distances and waited what
seemed a life time for this moment and it was over in such a short time but
the memories & images it left behind will last us a
lifetime.
It is the greatest show on
Earth!
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Severe Weather Warning
Issued by MetService at 08:52am 07-Dec-2002
A SHORT PERIOD OF INTENSE HEAVY RAIN FOR MANY PARTS OF THE UPPER
NORTH ISLAND TODAY
North of a line from Mt Taranaki to Taihape to East Cape, MetService
expects rain to become persistent, thundery and quite intense for a
relatively brief period of about 6 to 9 hours as a front crosses the
upper half of the North Island this afternoon and evening.
About Mt Taranki, heavy rainfall with up to 150 mm is expected this
afternoon.
Over the high ground south of Mangakino to the northwestern slopes of
Mt Ruapehu and the Kaimanawa Mountains, about 90 to 120mm is likely
from about early afternoon. Also,in the lower hill country from
Mangakino to Taumarunui to Te Awamutu, 40 to 60 mm of rain is likely
there.
Further east on the ranges of eastern Bay of Plenty, up to 80mm may
fall with the rain becoming heavy from this evening.
Travellers through the central North Island and recreational users of
any rivers in this general area, including the Waikato and Wanganui,
Rivers, should be prepared and are advised to keep up to date with
the latest warnings and weather information.
FOR THE LATEST WEATHER AND FORECAST CHARTS PLEASE GO TO
http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/index.asp
MORE DETAILED INFORMATION FOR EMERGENCY MANAGERS AND TECHNICAL USERS
FOLLOWS:
HEAVY RAIN WARNING
AREA/S AFFECTED: ABOUT MOUNT TARANKI, THE HIGH GROUND FROM ABOUT
MANGAKINO TO THE NORTHWEST SLOPES OF MT RUAPEHU TO THE KAIMANAWA
MOUNTAINS, INCLUDING THE HILL COUNTRY OF SOUTH WAIKATO AND TAUMARUNUI
AND THE EASTERN BAY OF PLENTY RANGES.
FORECAST:
ABOUT MT TARANAKI.
Rain is expected to become heavier this morning. In the 6 to 9 hour
period from about noon today, expect up to 150mm with peak
intensities up to 30mm per hour this afternoon.
THE HIGH GROUND FROM ABOUT MANGAKINO TO THE NORTHWEST SLOPES OF MT
RUAPEHU TO THE KAIMANAWA MOUNTAINS.
Rain is expected to become heavy this afternoon. In the 6 to 9 hours
from about 2pm, expect 90 to 120mm of rain peaking at about 15mm per
hour in the early evening. Also, in the lower hill country from
Mangakino to Taumarunui to Te Awamutu 40 to 60mm is likely.
THE EASTERN RANGES OF BAY OF PLENTY.
Rain is expected to become heavier during the afternoon. In the 9
hours from about 7pm this evening, expect up to 80mm rain.
NEXT SEVERE WEATHER WARNING WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
9:00pm Saturday 07-Dec-2002
Forecast prepared by: Paul Mallinson
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From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)"
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>
>There it was - Totality.
>I'd seen the all pictures before & watched the video clips on the TV & I
>thought I knew what to expect, but NOTHING could prepare you for actually
>viewing your first total eclipse with your own eyes - NOTHING!!!
>Andrew stood there beside me "gob-smacked", totally forgetting about his
>35mm camera as the black disc of the moon stood out boldly against the
>bright halo of the Sun's Corona in a Midnight blue sky. Luckily Kathryn
>was on the ball & took over on the camera but then halfway through
>Totality the camera ran out of film & the sickening sound of the electric
>motor drive rewinding the film sounded like a freight train in the silence
>of the moment! :(
I have to agree. I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time -
central Victoria in 1976, and I can still vividly remember the total
eclipse on that day - from the weeks of anticipation (I was a real space
nut then) to the construction of a pinhole camera and the actual moment of
totality itself.
A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in
astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the first
10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to experience my
second in 2012. :)
>It is the greatest show on Earth!
With a heavenly cast! In any case, you're not wrong. :)
73 de Tony, VK3JED
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>
>A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in
>astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the first
>10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to experience my
>second in 2012. :)
>
Total Eclipses that are due this century to pass right over a capital city are:
Sydney 28th July, 2028
Brisbane 13th July, 2037
Perth 31st May, 2068
Brisbane 27th January, 2093 (also passes just north of Adelaide)
Ahh, a long wait for all cities :)
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Yeah, I reckon I might have to give that Brisbane one in 2093 a miss
(seeing as how I was born in 1946).
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>
> >
> >A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in
> >astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the
> first
> >10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to experience
> my
> >second in 2012. :)
> >
>
> Total Eclipses that are due this century to pass right over a capital
> city are:
>
> Sydney 28th July, 2028
> Brisbane 13th July, 2037
> Perth 31st May, 2068
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> Ahh, a long wait for all cities :)
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Holiday Greetings to All:
I've
another question: How can melting take place when the temperature is below
freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when the temps were in the high 20sF.
To my (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below freezing nothing should be
melting.
Thanks for your answers.
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Good question dave.
I'd think it would have something to do with the
heat of the house, heating the roof ever so slightly, the melting then
occurs.
I would like to find out more on a similar thing
that is happening in Antartica. The Ice selfs are melting, but its not from the
top, its from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
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Holiday Greetings to All:
I've
another question: How can melting take place when the temperature is below
freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when the temps were in the high
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should be melting.
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Hello,
Been a while since I posted the latest pictures but these latest ones are
certainly applicable to this point in time with bushfires prevalent across NSW.
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20021207.html
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd2002120702.html
2 pages worth of photographs
These were of the Glenorie bushfires and the latter photographs were the
Menai. I am still shell shocked at the conditions as well as the colours
displayed. It is unfortunate that under those fires lay devastation of bush
and households. I was also amazed at the similarity in the structure of the
bushfire storms and some severe storms in similar wind conditions.
Compare this photograph by Geoff Thurtell last year.
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0901gt23.jpg
and
http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/1204jd34.jpg
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At 01:59 PM 7/12/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>Yeah, I reckon I might have to give that Brisbane one in 2093 a miss
>(seeing as how I was born in 1946).
You never know the advances in medical technology... :-)
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I guess it does have something to do with the
heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
happening on the roof of our (unattached)
unheated storage building. Now what would cause
that?
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>
> Good question dave.
> I'd think it would have something to do with
the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
slightly, the melting then occurs.
>
> I would like to find out more on a similar
thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
>
> Cheers
> ---------------------------------
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>
>
> Holiday Greetings to All:
> I've another question: How can
melting take place when the temperature is below
freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
(unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
freezing nothing should be melting.
> Thanks for your answers.
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Hi Tony,
1976 I was living in Naracoorte in the SE of SA. I was 7 years old at the
time & all I remember of the eclipse was the sky getting dark & our chooks
going into their shed to roost. Then a little while later the sky got light
again & the chooks came back out & started scratching around in the dirt
again.
This time around I think I'll remember a little more then last time :)
Regs. Paul.
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>
> >
> >There it was - Totality.
> >I'd seen the all pictures before & watched the video clips on the TV & I
> >thought I knew what to expect, but NOTHING could prepare you for actually
> >viewing your first total eclipse with your own eyes - NOTHING!!!
> >Andrew stood there beside me "gob-smacked", totally forgetting about his
> >35mm camera as the black disc of the moon stood out boldly against the
> >bright halo of the Sun's Corona in a Midnight blue sky. Luckily Kathryn
> >was on the ball & took over on the camera but then halfway through
> >Totality the camera ran out of film & the sickening sound of the electric
> >motor drive rewinding the film sounded like a freight train in the
silence
> >of the moment! :(
>
> I have to agree. I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time -
> central Victoria in 1976, and I can still vividly remember the total
> eclipse on that day - from the weeks of anticipation (I was a real space
> nut then) to the construction of a pinhole camera and the actual moment of
> totality itself.
>
> A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in
> astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the first
> 10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to experience my
> second in 2012. :)
>
> >It is the greatest show on Earth!
>
> With a heavenly cast! In any case, you're not wrong. :)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
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At 08:54 PM 7/12/2002 +1030, you wrote:
>1976 I was living in Naracoorte in the SE of SA. I was 7 years old at the
>time & all I remember of the eclipse was the sky getting dark & our chooks
>going into their shed to roost. Then a little while later the sky got light
>again & the chooks came back out & started scratching around in the dirt
>again.
I was 8, but was fully aware of what was going on... :-)
>This time around I think I'll remember a little more then last time :)
Hehe, cool. :-)
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hi paul,
were you in naracoorte at the time of the eclipse?
richard
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Hi Tony,
1976 I was living in Naracoorte in the SE of SA. I was 7 years old at the time & all I remember of the eclipse was the sky getting dark & our chooks going into their shed to roost. Then a little while later the sky got light again & the chooks came back out & started scratching around in the dirt again.
This time around I think I'll remember a little more then last time :)
Regs. Paul. (Stargazer) http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Eclipse - Ceduna SA
> > > > >There it was - Totality. > >I'd seen the all pictures before & watched the video clips on the TV & I > >thought I knew what to expect, but NOTHING could prepare you for actually > >viewing your first total eclipse with your own eyes - NOTHING!!! > >Andrew stood there beside me "gob-smacked", totally forgetting about his > >35mm camera as the black disc of the moon stood out boldly against the > >bright halo of the Sun's Corona in a Midnight blue sky. Luckily Kathryn > >was on the ball & took over on the camera but then halfway through > >Totality the camera ran out of film & the sickening sound of the electric > >motor drive rewinding the film sounded like a freight train in the silence > >of the moment! :( > > I have to agree. I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time - > central Victoria in 1976, and I can still vividly remember the total > eclipse on that day - from the weeks of anticipation (I was a real space > nut thenRe aus-wx Eclipse - Ceduna SA.ems
) to the construction of a pinhole camera and the actual moment of > totality itself. > > A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in > astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the first > 10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to experience my > second in 2012. :) > > >It is the greatest show on Earth! > > With a heavenly cast! In any case, you're not wrong. :) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vkradio.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------
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I was 30 years old for that one. We hopped on the motorbike and sidecar
and went up the Hume Highway and then off on a side road and stopped on
top of a hill that was right on the centreline of the shadow.
As Paul said, your first total eclipse is an absolutely unforgettable
experience. It's something you remember for the rest of your life.
Where I was, not only the chooks at the nearby farm went into roost, but
we particularly noticed all the birds in the trees all around as well.
And down below on the Hume Highway all the traffic had their lights on
and the service station was lit up as well.
My wife worked for the SEC at the time and they had to make special
arrangements for the predicted flood of electricity that was going to be
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I have loved reading these reports. Really brings back memories for me
of an unforgettable, once in a lifetime experience.
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> Hi Tony,
>
> 1976 I was living in Naracoorte in the SE of SA. I was 7 years old at
> the
> time & all I remember of the eclipse was the sky getting dark & our
> chooks
> going into their shed to roost. Then a little while later the sky got
> light
> again & the chooks came back out & started scratching around in the
> dirt
> again.
>
> This time around I think I'll remember a little more then last time :)
>
> Regs. Paul.
> (Stargazer)
> http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Eclipse - Ceduna SA
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >There it was - Totality.
> > >I'd seen the all pictures before & watched the video clips on the TV
> & I
> > >thought I knew what to expect, but NOTHING could prepare you for
> actually
> > >viewing your first total eclipse with your own eyes - NOTHING!!!
> > >Andrew stood there beside me "gob-smacked", totally forgetting about
> his
> > >35mm camera as the black disc of the moon stood out boldly against
> the
> > >bright halo of the Sun's Corona in a Midnight blue sky. Luckily
> Kathryn
> > >was on the ball & took over on the camera but then halfway through
> > >Totality the camera ran out of film & the sickening sound of the
> electric
> > >motor drive rewinding the film sounded like a freight train in the
> silence
> > >of the moment! :(
> >
> > I have to agree. I was lucky to be in the right place at the right
> time -
> > central Victoria in 1976, and I can still vividly remember the total
> > eclipse on that day - from the weeks of anticipation (I was a real
> space
> > nut then) to the construction of a pinhole camera and the actual
> moment of
> > totality itself.
> >
> > A total solar eclipse is a must for anyone who has any interest in
> > astronomy at all. I was lucky I was able to experience mine in the
> first
> > 10 years of life. Hopefully, I'll be able to head north to
> experience my
> > second in 2012. :)
> >
> > >It is the greatest show on Earth!
> >
> > With a heavenly cast! In any case, you're not wrong. :)
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > http://vkradio.com
> >
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Some great photography there Jimmy. As you said, it is sad that there
has to be such destruction associated with it.
The one thing that surprised me was the incredible length of cable
between the chopper and the bucket. The choppers here in HK fill up in
the river in front of our place whenever there are fires around but the
cables are much shorter so the helicopters are almost on the river
surface when they fill up their buckets. We look down on top of them
from our window.
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Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:46:17 +1100
Subject: aus-wx: Awesome Bushfire photographs eclipse as well
> Hello,
>
> Been a while since I posted the latest pictures but these latest ones
> are
> certainly applicable to this point in time with bushfires prevalent
> across NSW.
>
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20021207
> .html
>
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/new/jd20021207
> 02.html
>
> 2 pages worth of photographs
>
> These were of the Glenorie bushfires and the latter photographs were
> the
> Menai. I am still shell shocked at the conditions as well as the
> colours
> displayed. It is unfortunate that under those fires lay devastation of
> bush
> and households. I was also amazed at the similarity in the structure of
> the
> bushfire storms and some severe storms in similar wind conditions.
>
> Compare this photograph by Geoff Thurtell last year.
>
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0901gt23.
> jpg
>
> and
>
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2002/1204jd34.
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>
> Very interesting.
>
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Hi Richard,
Yes, I was in Naracoorte at the time of the eclipse in 1976.
But as I said before, I don't remember very much of it at all :(
My parents have told me how they had the cardboard with
the pinhole in it watching the eclipse & the old lady next door
saying they should all go inside before they all got blind :)
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were you in naracoorte at the time of the eclipse?
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hi paul,
yes i was in my last year of highschool at the time, at the last minute i wagged the day and hitched a ride to the mount, couldn't help myself, naracoorte didn't go total,
when i got back people here said there was a slight dimming like heavy Cs cover and the sun looked like the first crescent of a new moon but it didn't get to twilight or dark. i was going to go up to centenary tower but too many other people had the same idea.
there's supposed to be a total in the nt in 2012, my young fella will be old enough by then so i might chater a plane and go up there and be up flying when it happens so we can watch the shadow wipe the earth.
regards
richard
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Hi Richard,
Yes, I was in Naracoorte at the time of the eclipse in 1976. But as I said before, I don't remember very much of it at all :(
My parents have told me how they had the cardboard with the pinhole in it watching the eclipse & the old lady next door saying they should all go inside before they all got blind :)
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This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius) temperature than
it melts.
This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the water
on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too low
for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html where
the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in Science.
What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is - that
the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
John Patten
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> I guess it does have something to do with the
> heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> that?
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> >
> > Good question dave.
> > I'd think it would have something to do with
> the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> slightly, the melting then occurs.
> >
> > I would like to find out more on a similar
> thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> >
> > Cheers
> > ---------------------------------
> > Simon Angell
> > Canberra, ACT
> > www.canberra-wx.com
> > ---------------------------------------------
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> > From: arky dave
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> >
> >
> > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > I've another question: How can
> melting take place when the temperature is below
> freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> freezing nothing should be melting.
> > Thanks for your answers.
> > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
> >
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Morning all,
The video is in and ready to go out in the coming week. TDU chasers
reviewed the video and gave it the 'thumbs up'!!
If you would like a copy, see details at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/supercells2002.htm , drop me an email -
there are extra PAL format copies available.
Copies can also be sent to NZ ($80 AUD), & for European readers who are
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Hello aussie-weather people,
The next NSW ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday, 14th of November.
Venue: The Weather Company, 7 West St, North Sydney.
Time: 7pm
Parking: Free in the streets around the TWC building.
Press the 'Weather21' buzzer to be let in.
We are having a rather quiet month (presentation wise) for December,
although there are a
few videos from members that will be shown on Saturday evening. If you have
video of your
own that you would like to share with everyone else, please bring it along.
Also,
photos/slides/charts/experiences - bring them all and show them off :) The
last presentation
and discussion on the AVN model was promising - mark off the second
Saturdays of January and
February as well for some more tutorials and surprise presentations. If the
feedback is good
then we will plan more.
We usually order pizza as well, so bring about $5 for that. For more
information, visit
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Hi list
with the super cells or for that matter any weather phenoma
is there a place or a book that can tell me the construction of these ,
with regards to
temperature, humidity, wind speed
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Hi Everyone,
As Simon says (no pun intended), it's the heat from the roof or house
that's causing the melting to occur. So where it's melting, it is above
freezing. The surrounding environment (air temperature) maybe well below
freezing, but the roof temperature must be above freezing :)
Cheers,
Paul Graham
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> This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
> sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius) temperature
than
> it melts.
>
> This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the water
> on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too low
> for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
> freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
>
> See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html
where
> the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in Science.
>
> What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
>
> Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is -
that
> the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
>
> John Patten
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David James Powell"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>
> > I guess it does have something to do with the
> > heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> > happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> > unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> > that?
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question dave.
> > > I'd think it would have something to do with
> > the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> > slightly, the melting then occurs.
> > >
> > > I would like to find out more on a similar
> > thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> > selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> > from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Simon Angell
> > > Canberra, ACT
> > > www.canberra-wx.com
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > Proud member of the
> > > Australian Severe Weather Association.
> > > www.severeweather.asn.au
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: arky dave
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > > I've another question: How can
> > melting take place when the temperature is below
> > freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> > the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> > (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> > freezing nothing should be melting.
> > > Thanks for your answers.
> > > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
> > >
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From: "David Carroll"
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Subject: aus-wx: Fire - roads updates
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:28:45 +1100
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HI all.
Just heard on radio scanner for
Blue Mtns area.. Major fires at Hydro Majestic area. Great Western Hwy has been
closed at Medlow Bath and Katoomba. All traffic being diverted to Bells
Line of Road.
Dave
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hi ppl!!
here are the best photos i got from the storm that passsed over Canberra on
the 29th of November.
not too shabby, wish i had more,
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/steve/02112901.shtml
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/steve/02112902.shtml
http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/steve/02112903.shtml
Steve Baynham
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http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/recd15.htm
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Some more photographs from various sources have been added thanks to those
who have offered to contribute. any thanks to them and the time they have
put into preparation.
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:58:56 +1100
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It is a good question, and there are multiple answers, depending on the
situation.
In the case of snow melting off a tin roof two effects are in progress.
1) Melting of snow due to heat losses from the building. 2) radiative
heat transfer from the sun to the surface of a darkly coloured roof.
It is a fair indication of how well a building is insulated to look at
how many icicles form on the eves. More icicles = more heat loss = worse
insulation. Icicles form when the water from the melted snow from the
roof, encounters the sub zero air temps, and re freezes.
Another example is a rock in the snow (or as happened last year, mallee
dust colouring the snow). Now the rock, or coloured snow would normally
be at the surrounding air temperature. However sunlight (even on a
cloudy day) provides radiative heat transfer, which will heat the rock
to the surrounding air temperature. This is a pretty obvious phenomenon.
Last year, the mallee dust coloured snow melted significantly quicker
than the surrounding patches of pure white stuff!
What is NOT so obvious, is the question- how does a frost form when the
air temperature is +3C???? This is radiative heat transfer the other way
around. The ground is warmer than space, so it "radiates" heat to space
(at about 3K), cooling it to below the surrounding air temperature,
often below zero.
I could go onto more about how black-body radiation works, but for the
moment I hope that answers your question.
James
p.s. I don't think water ice sublimation occurs at Standard temperature
and pressure. . . . but I'll check
James Holbeach
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Hi Everyone,
As Simon says (no pun intended), it's the heat from the roof or house
that's causing the melting to occur. So where it's melting, it is above
freezing. The surrounding environment (air temperature) maybe well
below
freezing, but the roof temperature must be above freezing :)
Cheers,
Paul Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Patten"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
> This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
> sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius)
temperature
than
> it melts.
>
> This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the
water
> on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too
low
> for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
> freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
>
> See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html
where
> the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in
Science.
>
> What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
>
> Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is
-
that
> the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
>
> John Patten
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David James Powell"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>
> > I guess it does have something to do with the
> > heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> > happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> > unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> > that?
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question dave.
> > > I'd think it would have something to do with
> > the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> > slightly, the melting then occurs.
> > >
> > > I would like to find out more on a similar
> > thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> > selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> > from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Simon Angell
> > > Canberra, ACT
> > > www.canberra-wx.com
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > Proud member of the
> > > Australian Severe Weather Association.
> > > www.severeweather.asn.au
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > --------------
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: arky dave
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > > I've another question: How can
> > melting take place when the temperature is below
> > freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> > the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> > (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> > freezing nothing should be melting.
> > > Thanks for your answers.
> > > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
> > >
> > >
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One other thing-
In regard to the ice shelfs melting from the bottom, again there are two
effects that could be at work.
I don't know about that exact situation, but I would propose that at
least one reason could be the very peculiar behavior of ice.
Unlike most liquids, the solid form of water is actually less dense than
its liquid form. This is what causes ice-bergs to float (for information
at STP water is most dense at about 3C). This is caused due to
intermolecular polar forces (nothing to do with the earths poles!)
However, what this effect does, is that it means that if you increase
the pressure, you decrease the freezing temperature. It is this effect
which allows ice skaters to move so effortlessly over a rink. The
pressure caused by the skaters weight distributed over the small area of
the slate blade, causes the ice below the blade to melt. So in effect,
the ice skater is skating on a very thin layer of water beneath the
blade (which subsequently re-freezes once the pressure has been
removed).
So what does this have to do with the polar ice caps melting from the
bottom? Well I would suggest that part of the reason could be that the
huge amount of pressure from the tons ice above, could lower the
freezing point for the ice to below its ambient temperature (note ice
does not have to be at 0C, it can be WELL bellow)
Additionally, heat from radioactive decay at the earths core finds it's
way to the surface slowly via conduction. The enormous insulating effect
of the ice, could then mean that this heat is sufficient (with the above
pressure effect) to melt the base of the ice sheet.
Again, I stress that this is what my first guess is behind the reasons.
There could be many other effects in place.
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
----------------------------------------
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University of Melbourne, Australia
ph. +61 3 8344 6652
----------------------------------------
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: A Question
It is a good question, and there are multiple answers, depending on the
situation.
In the case of snow melting off a tin roof two effects are in progress.
1) Melting of snow due to heat losses from the building. 2) radiative
heat transfer from the sun to the surface of a darkly coloured roof.
It is a fair indication of how well a building is insulated to look at
how many icicles form on the eves. More icicles = more heat loss = worse
insulation. Icicles form when the water from the melted snow from the
roof, encounters the sub zero air temps, and re freezes.
Another example is a rock in the snow (or as happened last year, mallee
dust colouring the snow). Now the rock, or coloured snow would normally
be at the surrounding air temperature. However sunlight (even on a
cloudy day) provides radiative heat transfer, which will heat the rock
to the surrounding air temperature. This is a pretty obvious phenomenon.
Last year, the mallee dust coloured snow melted significantly quicker
than the surrounding patches of pure white stuff!
What is NOT so obvious, is the question- how does a frost form when the
air temperature is +3C???? This is radiative heat transfer the other way
around. The ground is warmer than space, so it "radiates" heat to space
(at about 3K), cooling it to below the surrounding air temperature,
often below zero.
I could go onto more about how black-body radiation works, but for the
moment I hope that answers your question.
James
p.s. I don't think water ice sublimation occurs at Standard temperature
and pressure. . . . but I'll check
James Holbeach
--------------------------------
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Mt. Hotham, Australia
ph. 0417 553 757
http://www.trapdoor.com.au
--------------------------------
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Hi Everyone,
As Simon says (no pun intended), it's the heat from the roof or house
that's causing the melting to occur. So where it's melting, it is above
freezing. The surrounding environment (air temperature) maybe well
below
freezing, but the roof temperature must be above freezing :)
Cheers,
Paul Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Patten"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
> This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
> sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius)
temperature
than
> it melts.
>
> This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the
water
> on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too
low
> for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
> freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
>
> See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html
where
> the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in
Science.
>
> What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
>
> Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is
-
that
> the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
>
> John Patten
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David James Powell"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>
> > I guess it does have something to do with the
> > heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> > happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> > unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> > that?
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question dave.
> > > I'd think it would have something to do with
> > the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> > slightly, the melting then occurs.
> > >
> > > I would like to find out more on a similar
> > thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> > selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> > from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Simon Angell
> > > Canberra, ACT
> > > www.canberra-wx.com
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > Proud member of the
> > > Australian Severe Weather Association.
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> > > ------------------------------------------------
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> > > From: arky dave
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > > I've another question: How can
> > melting take place when the temperature is below
> > freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> > the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> > (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> > freezing nothing should be melting.
> > > Thanks for your answers.
> > > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
> > >
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Gravity causing friction was another reason that came straight to my mind
when reading your reply
Les Muir
At 11:09 AM 9/12/2002, you wrote:
>One other thing-
>In regard to the ice shelfs melting from the bottom, again there are two
>effects that could be at work.
>
>I don't know about that exact situation, but I would propose that at
>least one reason could be the very peculiar behavior of ice.
>
>Unlike most liquids, the solid form of water is actually less dense than
>its liquid form. This is what causes ice-bergs to float (for information
>at STP water is most dense at about 3C). This is caused due to
>intermolecular polar forces (nothing to do with the earths poles!)
>
>However, what this effect does, is that it means that if you increase
>the pressure, you decrease the freezing temperature. It is this effect
>which allows ice skaters to move so effortlessly over a rink. The
>pressure caused by the skaters weight distributed over the small area of
>the slate blade, causes the ice below the blade to melt. So in effect,
>the ice skater is skating on a very thin layer of water beneath the
>blade (which subsequently re-freezes once the pressure has been
>removed).
>
>So what does this have to do with the polar ice caps melting from the
>bottom? Well I would suggest that part of the reason could be that the
>huge amount of pressure from the tons ice above, could lower the
>freezing point for the ice to below its ambient temperature (note ice
>does not have to be at 0C, it can be WELL bellow)
>
>Additionally, heat from radioactive decay at the earths core finds it's
>way to the surface slowly via conduction. The enormous insulating effect
>of the ice, could then mean that this heat is sufficient (with the above
>pressure effect) to melt the base of the ice sheet.
>
>Again, I stress that this is what my first guess is behind the reasons.
>There could be many other effects in place.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>James
>
>
>James Holbeach
>----------------------------------------
>Dept. Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering
>University of Melbourne, Australia
>ph. +61 3 8344 6652
>----------------------------------------
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of James
>Holbeach
>Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 10:59 AM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: A Question
>
>It is a good question, and there are multiple answers, depending on the
>situation.
>
>In the case of snow melting off a tin roof two effects are in progress.
>1) Melting of snow due to heat losses from the building. 2) radiative
>heat transfer from the sun to the surface of a darkly coloured roof.
>
>It is a fair indication of how well a building is insulated to look at
>how many icicles form on the eves. More icicles = more heat loss = worse
>insulation. Icicles form when the water from the melted snow from the
>roof, encounters the sub zero air temps, and re freezes.
>
>Another example is a rock in the snow (or as happened last year, mallee
>dust colouring the snow). Now the rock, or coloured snow would normally
>be at the surrounding air temperature. However sunlight (even on a
>cloudy day) provides radiative heat transfer, which will heat the rock
>to the surrounding air temperature. This is a pretty obvious phenomenon.
>Last year, the mallee dust coloured snow melted significantly quicker
>than the surrounding patches of pure white stuff!
>
>What is NOT so obvious, is the question- how does a frost form when the
>air temperature is +3C???? This is radiative heat transfer the other way
>around. The ground is warmer than space, so it "radiates" heat to space
>(at about 3K), cooling it to below the surrounding air temperature,
>often below zero.
>
>I could go onto more about how black-body radiation works, but for the
>moment I hope that answers your question.
>
>James
>p.s. I don't think water ice sublimation occurs at Standard temperature
>and pressure. . . . but I'll check
>James Holbeach
>--------------------------------
>Trapdoor Ski Club
>Mt. Hotham, Australia
>ph. 0417 553 757
>http://www.trapdoor.com.au
>--------------------------------
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of twc
>Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2002 2:40 PM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>Hi Everyone,
> As Simon says (no pun intended), it's the heat from the roof or house
>that's causing the melting to occur. So where it's melting, it is above
>freezing. The surrounding environment (air temperature) maybe well
>below
>freezing, but the roof temperature must be above freezing :)
>Cheers,
> Paul Graham
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Patten"
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:03 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>
> > This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
> > sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius)
>temperature
>than
> > it melts.
> >
> > This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the
>water
> > on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too
>low
> > for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
> > freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
> >
> > See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html
>where
> > the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in
>Science.
> >
> > What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
> >
> > Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is
>-
>that
> > the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
> >
> > John Patten
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David James Powell"
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
> >
> >
> > > I guess it does have something to do with the
> > > heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> > > happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> > > unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> > > that?
> > >
> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good question dave.
> > > > I'd think it would have something to do with
> > > the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> > > slightly, the melting then occurs.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to find out more on a similar
> > > thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> > > selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> > > from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Simon Angell
> > > > Canberra, ACT
> > > > www.canberra-wx.com
> > > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > > Proud member of the
> > > > Australian Severe Weather Association.
> > > > www.severeweather.asn.au
> > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > --------------
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: arky dave
> > > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > > > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > > > I've another question: How can
> > > melting take place when the temperature is below
> > > freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> > > the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> > > (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> > > freezing nothing should be melting.
> > > > Thanks for your answers.
> > > > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:45:22 +1100
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Sublimation of ice only occurs below the triple point on H2O's Phase
diagram (see below)
http://www.sbu.ac.uk/water/phase.html
The triple point of a substance, is the point where all three phases
exist simultaneously. For water it occurs at a pressure of about 600Pa,
and a temperature of 0.0098C . The triple point is often used in
calibration of temperature devices.
Anyway, sublimation of ice will not occur unless the pressure is below
about 600Pa. Considering that standard air pressure is 101,325Pa, it is
unlikely to occur on earth!
On the diagram in the above link, sublimation occurs as you cross the
Solid/Vapour line. Dry ice (solid carbon dioxide) is a great example of
sublimation in process!
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
----------------------------------------
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University of Melbourne, Australia
ph. +61 3 8344 6652
----------------------------------------
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of James
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Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 12:10 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: A Question part #2
One other thing-
In regard to the ice shelfs melting from the bottom, again there are two
effects that could be at work.
I don't know about that exact situation, but I would propose that at
least one reason could be the very peculiar behavior of ice.
Unlike most liquids, the solid form of water is actually less dense than
its liquid form. This is what causes ice-bergs to float (for information
at STP water is most dense at about 3C). This is caused due to
intermolecular polar forces (nothing to do with the earths poles!)
However, what this effect does, is that it means that if you increase
the pressure, you decrease the freezing temperature. It is this effect
which allows ice skaters to move so effortlessly over a rink. The
pressure caused by the skaters weight distributed over the small area of
the slate blade, causes the ice below the blade to melt. So in effect,
the ice skater is skating on a very thin layer of water beneath the
blade (which subsequently re-freezes once the pressure has been
removed).
So what does this have to do with the polar ice caps melting from the
bottom? Well I would suggest that part of the reason could be that the
huge amount of pressure from the tons ice above, could lower the
freezing point for the ice to below its ambient temperature (note ice
does not have to be at 0C, it can be WELL bellow)
Additionally, heat from radioactive decay at the earths core finds it's
way to the surface slowly via conduction. The enormous insulating effect
of the ice, could then mean that this heat is sufficient (with the above
pressure effect) to melt the base of the ice sheet.
Again, I stress that this is what my first guess is behind the reasons.
There could be many other effects in place.
Cheers
James
James Holbeach
----------------------------------------
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University of Melbourne, Australia
ph. +61 3 8344 6652
----------------------------------------
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Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 10:59 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: A Question
It is a good question, and there are multiple answers, depending on the
situation.
In the case of snow melting off a tin roof two effects are in progress.
1) Melting of snow due to heat losses from the building. 2) radiative
heat transfer from the sun to the surface of a darkly coloured roof.
It is a fair indication of how well a building is insulated to look at
how many icicles form on the eves. More icicles = more heat loss = worse
insulation. Icicles form when the water from the melted snow from the
roof, encounters the sub zero air temps, and re freezes.
Another example is a rock in the snow (or as happened last year, mallee
dust colouring the snow). Now the rock, or coloured snow would normally
be at the surrounding air temperature. However sunlight (even on a
cloudy day) provides radiative heat transfer, which will heat the rock
to the surrounding air temperature. This is a pretty obvious phenomenon.
Last year, the mallee dust coloured snow melted significantly quicker
than the surrounding patches of pure white stuff!
What is NOT so obvious, is the question- how does a frost form when the
air temperature is +3C???? This is radiative heat transfer the other way
around. The ground is warmer than space, so it "radiates" heat to space
(at about 3K), cooling it to below the surrounding air temperature,
often below zero.
I could go onto more about how black-body radiation works, but for the
moment I hope that answers your question.
James
p.s. I don't think water ice sublimation occurs at Standard temperature
and pressure. . . . but I'll check
James Holbeach
--------------------------------
Trapdoor Ski Club
Mt. Hotham, Australia
ph. 0417 553 757
http://www.trapdoor.com.au
--------------------------------
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Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2002 2:40 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
Hi Everyone,
As Simon says (no pun intended), it's the heat from the roof or house
that's causing the melting to occur. So where it's melting, it is above
freezing. The surrounding environment (air temperature) maybe well
below
freezing, but the roof temperature must be above freezing :)
Cheers,
Paul Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Patten"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
> This needs input from a physicist, but a part of the answer could be
> sublimation. Ice sublimates at a much colder (-70 Celsius)
temperature
than
> it melts.
>
> This may be part of the answer to the question "what happened to the
water
> on Mars" - how could Mars have lost all its water (planetary mass too
low
> for gravitational containment) when its temperature never rose above
> freezing, whereas much smaller bodies, such as comets, remain intact?
>
> See for example http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0212/05mars/index.html
where
> the Mars problem is discussed. There have been recent papers in
Science.
>
> What does sublimating ice look like - like a comet's tail.
>
> Physicists, please correct this if it is incorrect. A simple test is
-
that
> the disappearing snow on the roof does not drip.
>
> John Patten
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David James Powell"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Question
>
>
> > I guess it does have something to do with the
> > heat from our house, but I've seen the same thing
> > happening on the roof of our (unattached)
> > unheated storage building. Now what would cause
> > that?
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > >
> > > Good question dave.
> > > I'd think it would have something to do with
> > the heat of the house, heating the roof ever so
> > slightly, the melting then occurs.
> > >
> > > I would like to find out more on a similar
> > thing that is happening in Antartica. The Ice
> > selfs are melting, but its not from the top, its
> > from the bottom. Strange things IMO.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Simon Angell
> > > Canberra, ACT
> > > www.canberra-wx.com
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> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: arky dave
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: A Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Holiday Greetings to All:
> > > I've another question: How can
> > melting take place when the temperature is below
> > freezing? I've seen Snow melt off our roof when
> > the temps were in the high 20sF. To my
> > (unscientific) way of thinking, if it's below
> > freezing nothing should be melting.
> > > Thanks for your answers.
> > > David (In a Cold Holiday Mood) Powell
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From: "peter tristram"
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According to the 'local' news reports up Coffs way, Port Macquarie got
hammered by a very severe storm yesterday, 2nd in 2 weeks, with high
lateral winds and a carpeting of hail to golf ball size. A cell also
screamed down the Bellinger Valley too, dumping hail all the way, with the
worst damage from Fernmount to Mylestom. I watched it pass from Bonville
where I work and the cold gusts from the south indicated ice in the air not
far away. The storm missed my vantage point by less than 5km but my 19 yr
old son informed me that Repton (my place about 6km away) had enough hail to
carpet the lawn white and block all of the gutters - and I missed it! He
took some photos. 26mm recorded here but there was 75mm and up to 15cm of
hail all over the river flats at Raleigh only 3km further. I had a look this
afternoon and evidence was obvious especially a couple of corn paddocks that
had been reduced to stubs. The camphorlaurels took a hammering (a local weed
tree). Only 6mm today but hopefully a lot more when/if the low develops as
forecast.
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Subject: aus-wx: Test message
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:24:26 +1100
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Haven't had anything from the list for a while. So
this is a test message only.
Bussy (Rutherglen NE
Victoria)
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Subject: aus-wx: Ballina Storm 10/12
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What a ripper of a storm this arvo here.....thought we'd missed it as a
shelf cloud moved to the south of us, so I went inside to check the radar
(pink & yellow heading towards here), when my nephew shouted holy f**k, come
out here....went outside to be greeted by another(?) shelf cloud (which was
a pinky/tan colour) & a nasty green tinge behind it. I turned to Brendan (my
son), told him to get my camera, looked around at the storm & told him
instead to get the car keys as the car was outside...it was coming towards
here *that* fast.....got the shed door down when the wind hit & the power
went out.....got sandblasted when I went from the shed to the house....
the highest gust here at my place was 88km/h, bent my cb antenna & the mast
to my scanner antenna.....grrrrrrrrr
After it had finished I went out to lok at the damage around town & this is
what I found.....
Shaws Bay C/Park ...old kiosk windows blown in, 1 van overturned, 1 annex
destroyed
East Ballina...House lost roof, landed in vacant block next door
River St....2 businesses lost roofs, landed in RSL carpark
Fire Station lost some tiles in 2 places
Flats on the cnr of Swift & Martin Sts lost the roof
plus shitloads of trees down everywhere
I was lucky, no damage to my house, but next door lost tiles & had a front
window blown in...
did take some pic's, will try to get them developed in the next couple of
days
Cheer's
John from Ballina
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Hi All.
Here on the central Gold Coast, you could see it building up to the
SW at 3pm, and by 4pm a wall of storm was bearing down on us spitting
lightning everywhere, complete with greenish hail shaft below.
By 4:15pm lightning was hitting all around with frequent flangs, the
greenish hail shaft had faded to grey, and soon we were getting
pounded by winds I estimated to be at around 100 km/hr, stripping
loose bark and small branches off the trees and throwing them around
the place, then torrential rain - all hell was breaking loose around
us and the mains power had gone down by 4:30pm - fortunately, the
hail had missed us but some other parts of the Gold Coast did cop it.
The really intense phase only lasted perhaps another 15 minutes,
however lightning, thunder, and rain continued until well after dark.
Power was restored at about 10:30 pm.
News reports spoke of band of storms with severe cells from Evans
Head in NSW to the Wide Bay region in Qld, up to 120,000 homes
without power in SE Qld at it's peak, and hundreds of homes damaged,
with Ballina, the central Gold Coast, and Gympie, apparently copping
the worst of it. A Gold Coast SES person on the news said they had
answered over 50 calls for trees on roofs and other damage, and
expect to spend the next 2 days cleaning up.
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Carl.
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Here in my Petrie front yard we managed to get 37mm out of the storm (much
less than I expected given the deluge I drove through when leaving the city
(Brisbane) at about 5pm last night.
Our SES unit - Pine Rivers SES (I am the Ops officer there) ended up with
only 4 jobs. 3 of these were at Samford and one of these involved a house
that was damaged to the point that no temporary repairs were undertaken.
The other 2 at Samford were in a close vicinity to this first house and
crews reported a large number of trees down in that particular area.
The worst of it was that last night was meant to be our SES Christmas party
but it was not to be !!
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: SE Qld storms
> Hi All.
>
> Here on the central Gold Coast, you could see it building up to the
> SW at 3pm, and by 4pm a wall of storm was bearing down on us spitting
> lightning everywhere, complete with greenish hail shaft below.
>
> By 4:15pm lightning was hitting all around with frequent flangs, the
> greenish hail shaft had faded to grey, and soon we were getting
> pounded by winds I estimated to be at around 100 km/hr, stripping
> loose bark and small branches off the trees and throwing them around
> the place, then torrential rain - all hell was breaking loose around
> us and the mains power had gone down by 4:30pm - fortunately, the
> hail had missed us but some other parts of the Gold Coast did cop it.
> The really intense phase only lasted perhaps another 15 minutes,
> however lightning, thunder, and rain continued until well after dark.
>
> Power was restored at about 10:30 pm.
>
> News reports spoke of band of storms with severe cells from Evans
> Head in NSW to the Wide Bay region in Qld, up to 120,000 homes
> without power in SE Qld at it's peak, and hundreds of homes damaged,
> with Ballina, the central Gold Coast, and Gympie, apparently copping
> the worst of it. A Gold Coast SES person on the news said they had
> answered over 50 calls for trees on roofs and other damage, and
> expect to spend the next 2 days cleaning up.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
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From: "stephen galowski"
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 07:03:42 +1000
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here in brisbane qld
I recorded at the hight of the storm in hours
10 000 strikes ,this included cloud to ground and cloud to cloud
the whole storm produced over 30 000 strikes
Stephen
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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: SE Qld storms
> Hi All.
>
> Here on the central Gold Coast, you could see it building up to the
> SW at 3pm, and by 4pm a wall of storm was bearing down on us spitting
> lightning everywhere, complete with greenish hail shaft below.
>
> By 4:15pm lightning was hitting all around with frequent flangs, the
> greenish hail shaft had faded to grey, and soon we were getting
> pounded by winds I estimated to be at around 100 km/hr, stripping
> loose bark and small branches off the trees and throwing them around
> the place, then torrential rain - all hell was breaking loose around
> us and the mains power had gone down by 4:30pm - fortunately, the
> hail had missed us but some other parts of the Gold Coast did cop it.
> The really intense phase only lasted perhaps another 15 minutes,
> however lightning, thunder, and rain continued until well after dark.
>
> Power was restored at about 10:30 pm.
>
> News reports spoke of band of storms with severe cells from Evans
> Head in NSW to the Wide Bay region in Qld, up to 120,000 homes
> without power in SE Qld at it's peak, and hundreds of homes damaged,
> with Ballina, the central Gold Coast, and Gympie, apparently copping
> the worst of it. A Gold Coast SES person on the news said they had
> answered over 50 calls for trees on roofs and other damage, and
> expect to spend the next 2 days cleaning up.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
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I went for a quick drive down in the Bonvile area yesterday. It seemed to me
by the radar that the most damage may have occured through there, but as you
would imagine, I found nothing! It seems that I should've gone a bit further
south! Ah well!
David Sercombe
Coffs Harbour NE NSW
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To:
Subject: aus-wx: Hail
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:05:03 +1100
According to the 'local' news reports up Coffs way, Port Macquarie got
hammered by a very severe storm yesterday, 2nd in 2 weeks, with high
lateral winds and a carpeting of hail to golf ball size. A cell also
screamed down the Bellinger Valley too, dumping hail all the way, with the
worst damage from Fernmount to Mylestom. I watched it pass from Bonville
where I work and the cold gusts from the south indicated ice in the air not
far away. The storm missed my vantage point by less than 5km but my 19 yr
old son informed me that Repton (my place about 6km away) had enough hail to
carpet the lawn white and block all of the gutters - and I missed it! He
took some photos. 26mm recorded here but there was 75mm and up to 15cm of
hail all over the river flats at Raleigh only 3km further. I had a look this
afternoon and evidence was obvious especially a couple of corn paddocks that
had been reduced to stubs. The camphorlaurels took a hammering (a local weed
tree). Only 6mm today but hopefully a lot more when/if the low develops as
forecast.
Peter
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Dear All,
I don't know why no-one else is saying anything
about Sydney's weather. Where are you all?
Here at Mona Vale we have had a grand total of 87.5
mm since sometime early in the morning on the 10th.
11 mm to 9am on 10th December
76.5 mm to 9am on 11th December.
This fall of 87.5m is greater than every month this
years' rainfall with the exception of February and March.
Judy Mayo
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btw - a tornado was photographed by Dave Ellem at Wollongbar shortly before
the storm headed into Ballina:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2002/docs/200212-02.htm
cheers, Michael
At 11:48 PM 10/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>What a ripper of a storm this arvo here.....thought we'd missed it as a
>shelf cloud moved to the south of us, so I went inside to check the radar
>(pink & yellow heading towards here), when my nephew shouted holy f**k, come
>out here....went outside to be greeted by another(?) shelf cloud (which was
>a pinky/tan colour) & a nasty green tinge behind it. I turned to Brendan (my
>son), told him to get my camera, looked around at the storm & told him
>instead to get the car keys as the car was outside...it was coming towards
>here *that* fast.....got the shed door down when the wind hit & the power
>went out.....got sandblasted when I went from the shed to the house....
>the highest gust here at my place was 88km/h, bent my cb antenna & the mast
>to my scanner antenna.....grrrrrrrrr
>After it had finished I went out to lok at the damage around town & this is
>what I found.....
>Shaws Bay C/Park ...old kiosk windows blown in, 1 van overturned, 1 annex
>destroyed
>East Ballina...House lost roof, landed in vacant block next door
>River St....2 businesses lost roofs, landed in RSL carpark
>Fire Station lost some tiles in 2 places
>Flats on the cnr of Swift & Martin Sts lost the roof
>plus shitloads of trees down everywhere
>I was lucky, no damage to my house, but next door lost tiles & had a front
>window blown in...
>did take some pic's, will try to get them developed in the next couple of
>days
>Cheer's
>John from Ballina
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:15:10 +1100
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Hi Judy and Adam,
I got 41.2mm till 9am this morning and 2.6mm yesterday.
Not bad actually.
Jimmy Deguara
At 11:05 AM 11/12/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>I don't know why no-one else is saying anything about Sydney's
>weather. Where are you all?
>
>Here at Mona Vale we have had a grand total of 87.5 mm since sometime
>early in the morning on the 10th.
>
>11 mm to 9am on 10th December
>76.5 mm to 9am on 11th December.
>
>This fall of 87.5m is greater than every month this years' rainfall with
>the exception of February and March.
>
>Judy Mayo
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From: "arky dave"
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Subject: aus-wx: Freezing fog
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Holiday Greetings to All:
Parts of Arkansas
are under a Freezing Fog Advisory for tonight.(Earlier tonight, the visibility
at the Mena airport was down to 1/4 Mile!).
I was wondering:
Does Australia get very much freezing fog?
This episode of fogginess is due to early A.M.
light rain and late P.M. clearing of cloudcover.(which is when we mainly get
fog).
Well, keep cool & See Ya'll
later!!!
Yours David(fogbound)
Powell
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:38:32 +0800
From: "Phil Smith"
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I drove a bus though freezing fog a few times, but the most memorable
was between Cooma and Nimmittabel in New South Wales in the early
seventies: The fog was a thick pea-souper as we left Cooma around 07:00
with the air temperature at -4C. We had to drive slowly because the fog
remained very thick all the way. The bus started handling very
strangely and the headlights even on high beam were very short on the
road. Eventually there was no front suspension at all so every slight
bump in the road was jarring straight through to the drivers seat. I
pulled up near Nimmitabel and got out to investigate. The front of the
bus was entirely coated with a massive great plate of ice which was
heavy enough to completely bottom out the leaf springs and squash out
the front tyres so that they looked nearly flat. I had to use a jemmy
to break it up and lever it off and the ice on the bottom half of the
front panel of the bus was 6 or 7 cm thick.
So yes, Australia does get freezing fog from time to time in the high
country.
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 01:12:13 -0600
Subject: aus-wx: Freezing fog
> Holiday Greetings to All:
> Parts of Arkansas are under a Freezing Fog Advisory for
> tonight.(Earlier tonight, the visibility at the Mena airport was down
> to 1/4 Mile!).
> I was wondering: Does Australia get very much freezing fog?
> This episode of fogginess is due to early A.M. light rain and late P.M.
> clearing of cloudcover.(which is when we mainly get fog).
> Well, keep cool & See Ya'll later!!!
> Yours David(fogbound) Powell
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Freezing fog
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:16:28 +1100 (EST)
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>
> I drove a bus though freezing fog a few times, but the most memorable
> was between Cooma and Nimmittabel in New South Wales in the early
> seventies: The fog was a thick pea-souper as we left Cooma around 07:00
> with the air temperature at -4C. We had to drive slowly because the fog
> remained very thick all the way. The bus started handling very
> strangely and the headlights even on high beam were very short on the
> road. Eventually there was no front suspension at all so every slight
> bump in the road was jarring straight through to the drivers seat. I
> pulled up near Nimmitabel and got out to investigate. The front of the
> bus was entirely coated with a massive great plate of ice which was
> heavy enough to completely bottom out the leaf springs and squash out
> the front tyres so that they looked nearly flat. I had to use a jemmy
> to break it up and lever it off and the ice on the bottom half of the
> front panel of the bus was 6 or 7 cm thick.
> So yes, Australia does get freezing fog from time to time in the high
> country.
>
Not just in the really high country, either - inland Victoria and
southern NSW sees it a bit.
It wasn't unusual, running in Canberra in fog on winter mornings,
for ice to build up on my hair over the course of an hour or so
(particularly if I was dropping down from the relatively high ground
where I lived into the colder valleys).
Blair
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