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Hi All
Just thought i would add, there was heavy snow reported up near Sutton
Forest (near Goulburn, 1/2 way between Canberra and Sydney) yesterday, heavy
enough to delay some delievery trucks into Canberra yesterday arfternoon. I
had noticed a resonable area of convection north of the ACT yesterday  at 
2:30pm around the areas of the snowfalls, and initilally thought of a large
thunderstorm was the reason, but then got a call saying the trucks had been
delayed and then it clicked. :-)

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From: "Karl Lijnders" <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast


>
> Good Afternoon Clyve,
>
> Thanks for replying.  It was a dynamic little system. My Sister who lives
in
> Monbulk also recieved sleet for a good 20 minutes.  She was rather
> surprised.  It quite possibly snowed in the Dandenongs during Saturday
> afternoon with the cold air.
>
> Quite surprised to see another 4mm in the guage to 9am this morning from
> overnight drizzle and light showers.
>
> Next system shows a bit of interest, could pick up few showers and a storm
> Wednesday if it holds its integrity.
>
> Karl :)
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:43:23 +1000
> >
> >Hi Karl. I have to say I was very surprised to see sleet! My youngest boy
> >pointed it out to me as I was having a late breakfast and enjoying the
> >sound
> >of falling rain. The fall of sleet lasted about 5 minutes with definite
> >flakes (wet) some rather large falling within the rain, the temp dipped
to
> >5.7c. Leopold elevation is only about 50m, however I have seen sleet here
> >in
> >1986 with a temp of 5.5.c. With a fall of sleet to low levels I was on
the
> >blower to find if snow or sleet was falling elsewhere, it seems that a
band
> >of active cold air showers with thunder and hail had passed near the
Otway
> >range around 8am to 9am and produced hail sleet and snow at least down to
> >300m , this area of enhanced CB activity moved  to the northeast and
> >affected the Geelong to Melton area later in the morning. Also I was
> >following up reports of sleet from around the Melton area and to the wet
of
> >Werribee. regards Clyve Herbert.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Karl Lijnders <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 5:45 PM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Just on 11mm of rain here today, very heavy downpours through the
> >afternoon,
> > > a few thunderstorms to the west of the city too.  Been a fairly good
> >system,
> > > was hoping for more widespread thunderstorm activity, but the rain was
> >nice.
> > >
> > > Sleet down on the coast, thats amazing.  What is Leopold's elevation?
> > >
> > > Karl :)
> > >
> > > >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > >Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > > >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:14:11 +1000
> > > >
> > > >Hi all... Well, surprise,surprise, The thermal trough has just passed
> > > >through central Victoria, about 1045 my air temp fell to 6c here at
> >Leopold
> > > >with light to moderate rain, I nearly choked on my marmalade toast
when
> > > >sleet started to fall, sleet fell for about 5 minutes and then
changed
> >to
> > > >rain very rapidly although the rain still contained bits of soft ice,
> >looks
> > > >like this air will be cold enough to bring a few flakes to the
> > > >Dandenong's..regards Clyve Herbert.
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cursur lock and (AOL) are the only problems we have had to date after about 12 months .<BR>
AOL seems to build up probs. over time . We are only runnining a celeron 466 MHZ chip on a average main board whith far to much built in&nbsp; -modem and video - not recomemed . I would also recomened&nbsp; to anyone wnen your key board gets to the stage that the letter E looks like an F and R like P buy a new keyboarb . I cant touch type .<BR>
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From: "Robert Goler" <robs_dream2 at hotmail.com>
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Hi all

Just thought I'd mention that I'm currently in Karumba (northern Qld) 
involved in the Gulf Line field experiment. (I = Robert Goler)

For those not in the know, this is a field experiment involving people from 
Monash Uni in Melbourne (where I'm from), people from the BoM and people 
from the University of Munich in Germany.  We're all here to collect data 
from weather stations, pilot balloons, and radiosondes to study the morning 
glory around the southern Cape York Peninsula, and the north Australian 
cloud line over the northern peninsula.  There is no mobile coverage up 
here, so I'll occasionally post an email or two on the list when something 
interesting happens. For some basic info about what these cloud lines look 
like, see here:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Thesis/introduction.html

I arrived on Sunday with a fellow student after driving all the way up from 
Melbourne leaving Wednesday.  Had to drive up with Monash Uni's 4wd as we 
had to take a whole load of equipment up with us.  The trip was pretty 
uneventful, ie no break downs or fatal encounters with wildlife...although 
quite a few bugs got up close and personal with the windshield.  The most 
exciting parts were the dust filled skies around Jerilderie on Wednesday, 
and coming into Goondiwindi on Thursday night where we did see some distant 
lightning further to the north.
For the record we stayed the night at West Wyalong, Goondiwindi, Rockhampton 
(a real dodgey place!) and Townsville, and sampled what nightlife they had 
on offer...hence the late starts the following morning...hehe!

In Karumba we've had southerlies the past 2 days as a cold front passed 
through early on Sunday morning. However conditions should be ok for the 
next few days for morning glories to form, so hopefully something exciting 
will happen!

Cheers,

Robert

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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 07:25:58 +1000
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Simon..
Don't believe everything you hear.
First of all,I assume you are referring to Sunday afternoon, 
2nd - Sutton forest is near Bowral - Mittagong and quite a distance from
Goulburn.
3rd - the 3 pm temps in both Bowral and Moss Vale were 11 degrees.(In
goulburn it was 12) and in Moss Vale it fell to 9 at 4pm - hardly "snow"
temps. Bowral did report past storm at 6 pm.
A friend who was in Bowral playing golf told me there was a fair bit of
small hail as the storm passed around 4-4.30 but nothing unusual for
such an event.
Snow remains the most mis-reported meteorological phenomenon in
Australia... more so even than the famous "mini tornado"! So, as a
weather list, let's not encourage this.
Cheers,
Don White

Simon Angell wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> Just thought i would add, there was heavy snow reported up near Sutton
> Forest (near Goulburn, 1/2 way between Canberra and Sydney) yesterday, heavy
> enough to delay some delievery trucks into Canberra yesterday arfternoon. I
> had noticed a resonable area of convection north of the ACT yesterday  at 
> 2:30pm around the areas of the snowfalls, and initilally thought of a large
> thunderstorm was the reason, but then got a call saying the trucks had been
> delayed and then it clicked. :-)
> 
> Cheers
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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> Canberra ACT
> www.canberra-wx.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Lijnders" <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> 
> >
> > Good Afternoon Clyve,
> >
> > Thanks for replying.  It was a dynamic little system. My Sister who lives
> in
> > Monbulk also recieved sleet for a good 20 minutes.  She was rather
> > surprised.  It quite possibly snowed in the Dandenongs during Saturday
> > afternoon with the cold air.
> >
> > Quite surprised to see another 4mm in the guage to 9am this morning from
> > overnight drizzle and light showers.
> >
> > Next system shows a bit of interest, could pick up few showers and a storm
> > Wednesday if it holds its integrity.
> >
> > Karl :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:43:23 +1000
> > >
> > >Hi Karl. I have to say I was very surprised to see sleet! My youngest boy
> > >pointed it out to me as I was having a late breakfast and enjoying the
> > >sound
> > >of falling rain. The fall of sleet lasted about 5 minutes with definite
> > >flakes (wet) some rather large falling within the rain, the temp dipped
> to
> > >5.7c. Leopold elevation is only about 50m, however I have seen sleet here
> > >in
> > >1986 with a temp of 5.5.c. With a fall of sleet to low levels I was on
> the
> > >blower to find if snow or sleet was falling elsewhere, it seems that a
> band
> > >of active cold air showers with thunder and hail had passed near the
> Otway
> > >range around 8am to 9am and produced hail sleet and snow at least down to
> > >300m , this area of enhanced CB activity moved  to the northeast and
> > >affected the Geelong to Melton area later in the morning. Also I was
> > >following up reports of sleet from around the Melton area and to the wet
> of
> > >Werribee. regards Clyve Herbert.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Karl Lijnders <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 5:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just on 11mm of rain here today, very heavy downpours through the
> > >afternoon,
> > > > a few thunderstorms to the west of the city too.  Been a fairly good
> > >system,
> > > > was hoping for more widespread thunderstorm activity, but the rain was
> > >nice.
> > > >
> > > > Sleet down on the coast, thats amazing.  What is Leopold's elevation?
> > > >
> > > > Karl :)
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > >Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > > > >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:14:11 +1000
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi all... Well, surprise,surprise, The thermal trough has just passed
> > > > >through central Victoria, about 1045 my air temp fell to 6c here at
> > >Leopold
> > > > >with light to moderate rain, I nearly choked on my marmalade toast
> when
> > > > >sleet started to fall, sleet fell for about 5 minutes and then
> changed
> > >to
> > > > >rain very rapidly although the rain still contained bits of soft ice,
> > >looks
> > > > >like this air will be cold enough to bring a few flakes to the
> > > > >Dandenong's..regards Clyve Herbert.
> > > >
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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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I forgot Bussy, the only problem I had was with the drives for my
add-ons...needed new drivers that were compat with xp.

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I forgot Bussy, the only problem I had was with the drives for my
add-ons...needed new drivers that were compat with xp.

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:35 +0930
>From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
>Subject: aus-wx: water restrictions for melb.
>
>heard on the news tonight melbourne's about to officially go onto water
>restrictions, I wonder if this setup coming through wed-thurs\sun-mon can
>delay things a bit, probably hardly make a dent anyway, better to bite th=
>e
>bullet now, god only knows what the future holds.
>
>just out of interest, does anyone have historical data for the last 20-30=
>yrs
>on melbs. water restrictions?, when and for how long.

Richard this is typical media hyperbole. The trigger point for restrictions
in Melbourne in October is 52% and the reservoirs are at 54.1%... 2% might
not sound like much but it is. The trigger point for November is 54%, so we
could conceivably go into restriction a month from now if we have next to no
rain this month (but October is one of our wettest months around Melbourne).
Further details on the % triggers can be found at
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/navsearch.asp
Looking at these, I would expect the crunch period for restrictions to be
-December-January when the cut-off is 53-52%. A very dry October-November
could see our dams approaching these values.

As for bringing restriction in earlier, personally I think that is just
silly. These restriction levels are well thought out trigger levels based on
history; bringing them in earlier would just amount to scaremongering.

Philosophically, I don't agree with the way restrictions are imposed as they
ignore the most wasteful water practices in our society. For example, why
should home owners be able to purchase top loading washing machines which
use ~200 litres of water per load while a front loader will do the same job
with half as many litres. The same goes for water saving shower heads, dual
flush toilets, dish washers etc (BTW I have water tanks, dual flush toilets,
a water saving dish washers, a front loading washing machine, and recycle
grey water). Depriving home owners of keeping their gardens alive during
drought seems like a silly knee jerk reaction to me.

Regards,

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I run XP Professional on the desktop (upgraded from 
Win 98) and XP Home on the laptop (came with it). Both seem pretty stable and 
run a lot quicker than Win 98.I'm annoyed that Java doesn't come with it (due to 
Microsoft's lawsuit). I upgraded the desktop from 256 to 512MB of RAM and this 
made quite a difference to speed (not surprisingly) not only for XP but 
everything else.Clock speed is 1GHz. There have been a few times when things 
suddenly run dead slow ie things seem to get stuck in the pipeline until you hit 
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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As the drought index here passes 150mm and the grass dies off I often wonder
how to recycle all the waste.I think we'd all have those water saving
facilities if local councils used some of their rate revenue to
finance/subsidise water storage tanks. Where I live we have the highest ,or
one of the highest, rates (cents per $) in NSW.
Keith Barnett
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>
> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:35 +0930
> >From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
> >Subject: aus-wx: water restrictions for melb.
> >
> >heard on the news tonight melbourne's about to officially go onto water
> >restrictions, I wonder if this setup coming through wed-thurs\sun-mon can
> >delay things a bit, probably hardly make a dent anyway, better to bite
th=
> >e
> >bullet now, god only knows what the future holds.
> >
> >just out of interest, does anyone have historical data for the last
20-30=
> >yrs
> >on melbs. water restrictions?, when and for how long.
>
> Richard this is typical media hyperbole. The trigger point for
restrictions
> in Melbourne in October is 52% and the reservoirs are at 54.1%... 2% might
> not sound like much but it is. The trigger point for November is 54%, so
we
> could conceivably go into restriction a month from now if we have next to
no
> rain this month (but October is one of our wettest months around
Melbourne).
> Further details on the % triggers can be found at
> http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/navsearch.asp
> Looking at these, I would expect the crunch period for restrictions to be
> -December-January when the cut-off is 53-52%. A very dry October-November
> could see our dams approaching these values.
>
> As for bringing restriction in earlier, personally I think that is just
> silly. These restriction levels are well thought out trigger levels based
on
> history; bringing them in earlier would just amount to scaremongering.
>
> Philosophically, I don't agree with the way restrictions are imposed as
they
> ignore the most wasteful water practices in our society. For example, why
> should home owners be able to purchase top loading washing machines which
> use ~200 litres of water per load while a front loader will do the same
job
> with half as many litres. The same goes for water saving shower heads,
dual
> flush toilets, dish washers etc (BTW I have water tanks, dual flush
toilets,
> a water saving dish washers, a front loading washing machine, and recycle
> grey water). Depriving home owners of keeping their gardens alive during
> drought seems like a silly knee jerk reaction to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
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From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at theweather.com.au>
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Took the words right out of my mouth! I made a similar reply on WZ.

Sutton Forrest is pretty close to the Moss Vale AWS at which it was
indeed quite mild, and the fact that that was the band of showers that
eventually produced winter hail in Sydney seems to suggest to me that
that's the explanation.

(too many 'that's!)

Andrew.


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Simon..
Don't believe everything you hear.
First of all,I assume you are referring to Sunday afternoon, 
2nd - Sutton forest is near Bowral - Mittagong and quite a distance from
Goulburn. 3rd - the 3 pm temps in both Bowral and Moss Vale were 11
degrees.(In goulburn it was 12) and in Moss Vale it fell to 9 at 4pm -
hardly "snow" temps. Bowral did report past storm at 6 pm. A friend who
was in Bowral playing golf told me there was a fair bit of small hail as
the storm passed around 4-4.30 but nothing unusual for such an event.
Snow remains the most mis-reported meteorological phenomenon in
Australia... more so even than the famous "mini tornado"! So, as a
weather list, let's not encourage this. Cheers, Don White

Simon Angell wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> Just thought i would add, there was heavy snow reported up near Sutton

> Forest (near Goulburn, 1/2 way between Canberra and Sydney) yesterday,

> heavy enough to delay some delievery trucks into Canberra yesterday 
> arfternoon. I had noticed a resonable area of convection north of the 
> ACT yesterday  at  2:30pm around the areas of the snowfalls, and 
> initilally thought of a large thunderstorm was the reason, but then 
> got a call saying the trucks had been delayed and then it clicked. :-)
> 
> Cheers
> ---------------------------------------------------------
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> Canberra ACT
> www.canberra-wx.com
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Lijnders" <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> 
> >
> > Good Afternoon Clyve,
> >
> > Thanks for replying.  It was a dynamic little system. My Sister who 
> > lives
> in
> > Monbulk also recieved sleet for a good 20 minutes.  She was rather 
> > surprised.  It quite possibly snowed in the Dandenongs during 
> > Saturday afternoon with the cold air.
> >
> > Quite surprised to see another 4mm in the guage to 9am this morning 
> > from overnight drizzle and light showers.
> >
> > Next system shows a bit of interest, could pick up few showers and a

> > storm Wednesday if it holds its integrity.
> >
> > Karl :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:43:23 +1000
> > >
> > >Hi Karl. I have to say I was very surprised to see sleet! My 
> > >youngest boy pointed it out to me as I was having a late breakfast 
> > >and enjoying the sound of falling rain. The fall of sleet lasted 
> > >about 5 minutes with definite flakes (wet) some rather large 
> > >falling within the rain, the temp dipped
> to
> > >5.7c. Leopold elevation is only about 50m, however I have seen 
> > >sleet here in 1986 with a temp of 5.5.c. With a fall of sleet to 
> > >low levels I was on
> the
> > >blower to find if snow or sleet was falling elsewhere, it seems 
> > >that a
> band
> > >of active cold air showers with thunder and hail had passed near 
> > >the
> Otway
> > >range around 8am to 9am and produced hail sleet and snow at least 
> > >down to 300m , this area of enhanced CB activity moved  to the 
> > >northeast and affected the Geelong to Melton area later in the 
> > >morning. Also I was following up reports of sleet from around the 
> > >Melton area and to the wet
> of
> > >Werribee. regards Clyve Herbert.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Karl Lijnders <weatherman1000 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > >Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 5:45 PM
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Just on 11mm of rain here today, very heavy downpours through 
> > > > the
> > >afternoon,
> > > > a few thunderstorms to the west of the city too.  Been a fairly 
> > > > good
> > >system,
> > > > was hoping for more widespread thunderstorm activity, but the 
> > > > rain was
> > >nice.
> > > >
> > > > Sleet down on the coast, thats amazing.  What is Leopold's 
> > > > elevation?
> > > >
> > > > Karl :)
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> > > > >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > > >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > >Subject: aus-wx: Sleet Vic coast
> > > > >Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:14:11 +1000
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi all... Well, surprise,surprise, The thermal trough has just 
> > > > >passed through central Victoria, about 1045 my air temp fell to

> > > > >6c here at
> > >Leopold
> > > > >with light to moderate rain, I nearly choked on my marmalade 
> > > > >toast
> when
> > > > >sleet started to fall, sleet fell for about 5 minutes and then
> changed
> > >to
> > > > >rain very rapidly although the rain still contained bits of 
> > > > >soft ice,
> > >looks
> > > > >like this air will be cold enough to bring a few flakes to the 
> > > > >Dandenong's..regards Clyve Herbert.
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
To: "Wx-Chase" <WX-CHASE at LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU>,
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Subject: aus-wx: Ozone hole Splits
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Hey All,

Doing my usual morning news round-up online, and came across this on news.com.au. Hopefully this
could be the beginning of the end for the Ozone Hole :o)

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5203527%255E1702,00.html

PaulY

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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Courier New" color=#000080>Here are the September 
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I was replying to someone who was not able to send mail to the list. The
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From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optusnet.com.au>
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At 09:19 PM 30/09/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Hey All,
>
>Doing my usual morning news round-up online, and came across this on 
>news.com.au. Hopefully this
>could be the beginning of the end for the Ozone Hole :o)
>
>http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,5203527%255E1702,00.html

My gut feeling is the polar vortex isn't as stable as in previous years, 
allowing mixing between the polar and temperate air masses in the 
stratosphere.  The result would be a smaller ozone hole with different 
properties to the usual.

I'll be very interested to see next year's readings.

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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David,
         I agree with your post. Here in Broadford, we are on H2O
restrictions, including NON WATERING of lawns. Since the start of last
summer, I have saved all dishwashing water for the lawn, and carried it out
in buckets. I wrang the local water authority about this, and they said that
if you can prove you are recycling waste water, there is not an issue.
    How do you prove that to an officious inspector if one comes along
checking a neighbours complaint?? (I have told neighbours for months about
the buckets to save their water bills).
My few cents worth.
Peter (Didjman)
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From: "David Jones" <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne water restriction levels


>
> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:35 +0930
> >From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
> >Subject: aus-wx: water restrictions for melb.
> >
> >heard on the news tonight melbourne's about to officially go onto water
> >restrictions, I wonder if this setup coming through wed-thurs\sun-mon can
> >delay things a bit, probably hardly make a dent anyway, better to bite
th=
> >e
> >bullet now, god only knows what the future holds.
> >
> >just out of interest, does anyone have historical data for the last
20-30=
> >yrs
> >on melbs. water restrictions?, when and for how long.
>
> Richard this is typical media hyperbole. The trigger point for
restrictions
> in Melbourne in October is 52% and the reservoirs are at 54.1%... 2% might
> not sound like much but it is. The trigger point for November is 54%, so
we
> could conceivably go into restriction a month from now if we have next to
no
> rain this month (but October is one of our wettest months around
Melbourne).
> Further details on the % triggers can be found at
> http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/navsearch.asp
> Looking at these, I would expect the crunch period for restrictions to be
> -December-January when the cut-off is 53-52%. A very dry October-November
> could see our dams approaching these values.
>
> As for bringing restriction in earlier, personally I think that is just
> silly. These restriction levels are well thought out trigger levels based
on
> history; bringing them in earlier would just amount to scaremongering.
>
> Philosophically, I don't agree with the way restrictions are imposed as
they
> ignore the most wasteful water practices in our society. For example, why
> should home owners be able to purchase top loading washing machines which
> use ~200 litres of water per load while a front loader will do the same
job
> with half as many litres. The same goes for water saving shower heads,
dual
> flush toilets, dish washers etc (BTW I have water tanks, dual flush
toilets,
> a water saving dish washers, a front loading washing machine, and recycle
> grey water). Depriving home owners of keeping their gardens alive during
> drought seems like a silly knee jerk reaction to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
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Welcome to Brisbane folks.
Have been under (basic and season pending) restrictions here for years, with
penalties for abusers.
Works the same in Beaudesert shire where i am, the water carters are doing a
roaring trade right now.
Get used to it =)

We are a fragile world.....







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David,
         I agree with your post. Here in Broadford, we are on H2O
restrictions, including NON WATERING of lawns. Since the start of last
summer, I have saved all dishwashing water for the lawn, and carried it out
in buckets. I wrang the local water authority about this, and they said that
if you can prove you are recycling waste water, there is not an issue.
    How do you prove that to an officious inspector if one comes along
checking a neighbours complaint?? (I have told neighbours for months about
the buckets to save their water bills).
My few cents worth.
Peter (Didjman)
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne water restriction levels


>
> >Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:02:35 +0930
> >From: "Richard Modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
> >Subject: aus-wx: water restrictions for melb.
> >
> >heard on the news tonight melbourne's about to officially go onto water
> >restrictions, I wonder if this setup coming through wed-thurs\sun-mon can
> >delay things a bit, probably hardly make a dent anyway, better to bite
th=
> >e
> >bullet now, god only knows what the future holds.
> >
> >just out of interest, does anyone have historical data for the last
20-30=
> >yrs
> >on melbs. water restrictions?, when and for how long.
>
> Richard this is typical media hyperbole. The trigger point for
restrictions
> in Melbourne in October is 52% and the reservoirs are at 54.1%... 2% might
> not sound like much but it is. The trigger point for November is 54%, so
we
> could conceivably go into restriction a month from now if we have next to
no
> rain this month (but October is one of our wettest months around
Melbourne).
> Further details on the % triggers can be found at
> http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/navsearch.asp
> Looking at these, I would expect the crunch period for restrictions to be
> -December-January when the cut-off is 53-52%. A very dry October-November
> could see our dams approaching these values.
>
> As for bringing restriction in earlier, personally I think that is just
> silly. These restriction levels are well thought out trigger levels based
on
> history; bringing them in earlier would just amount to scaremongering.
>
> Philosophically, I don't agree with the way restrictions are imposed as
they
> ignore the most wasteful water practices in our society. For example, why
> should home owners be able to purchase top loading washing machines which
> use ~200 litres of water per load while a front loader will do the same
job
> with half as many litres. The same goes for water saving shower heads,
dual
> flush toilets, dish washers etc (BTW I have water tanks, dual flush
toilets,
> a water saving dish washers, a front loading washing machine, and recycle
> grey water). Depriving home owners of keeping their gardens alive during
> drought seems like a silly knee jerk reaction to me.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
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At 07:18 PM 1/10/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>David,
>          I agree with your post. Here in Broadford, we are on H2O
>restrictions, including NON WATERING of lawns. Since the start of last
>summer, I have saved all dishwashing water for the lawn, and carried it out
>in buckets. I wrang the local water authority about this, and they said that
>if you can prove you are recycling waste water, there is not an issue.

Well, the most severe restrictions I can recall were in Woodend during the 
1982 drought.  For several months, we were restricted to 60l per 
person/day.  Baths were shared, that water was then recycled into the 
washing, then used to water the garden.  Couldn't afford to let anything go 
to waste, and had to read the meter each day to make sure we stayed under 
the limit.  From memory, these restrictions were in force for the spring 
and summer, until the drought broke in March/April 1983.

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At 08:21 PM 1/10/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>  Now. This is bloody scary. Victoria at the start of October with these 
> warnings.
>People forget. Ash Wednesday again? I Damn well hope not.....

I was close to the Mt Macedon Ash Wednesday fires and will never forget 
that day, or the ones that followed.  I was off school, because they deemed 
it unsafe to take buses through, and on one of those days I helped Dad and 
local contractors install temporary power for people burnt out and starting 
to rebuild.  Later in the day, we went to Aireys Inlet to arrange a new 
fire station (Dad was in the property section of the CFA), and the 
devastation there was total as well.

I was thinking only this morning that this year is like the lead up to Ash 
Wednesday.

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1st September 2001 including the LP supercell near Wyong

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Greetings Everyone:</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; For your 
interest/contrast/comparison, here are the totals for Mena, Arkansas for 
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From: "Craig Arthur" <carthur at theweather.com.au>
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I just wish I'd had a camera with me on that day!

I know several other people wish I did too!

Nice photos Jimmy.

Craig


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> http://www.australiasevereweather.com/photography/features/200210.htm
> 1st September 2001 including the LP supercell near Wyong
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> linked from this page
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Hi Craig

Thanks for the comments and I think all the others who took the photos also 
appreciate them. Yes I know the situation Craig and I know the culprits as 
well...... And I also found out there was someone else with a video camera 
on that day with you???

Jimmy Deguara

At 06:55 AM 2/10/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>I just wish I'd had a camera with me on that day!
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>I know several other people wish I did too!
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>Nice photos Jimmy.
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I was 
explaining to my daughter just the other day of the real possibility of an Ash 
Wednesday repeat. Rember the big fire near Puckapunyal this year? It got to 
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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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> Simon..
> Don't believe everything you hear.
> First of all,I assume you are referring to Sunday afternoon,
> 2nd - Sutton forest is near Bowral - Mittagong and quite a distance from
> Goulburn. 3rd - the 3 pm temps in both Bowral and Moss Vale were 11
> degrees.(In goulburn it was 12) and in Moss Vale it fell to 9 at 4pm -
> hardly "snow" temps. Bowral did report past storm at 6 pm. A friend who
> was in Bowral playing golf told me there was a fair bit of small hail as
> the storm passed around 4-4.30 but nothing unusual for such an event.
> Snow remains the most mis-reported meteorological phenomenon in
> Australia... more so even than the famous "mini tornado"! So, as a
> weather list, let's not encourage this. Cheers, Don White

  I think it gets mis-reported when people are passing through an area and
see a coating of white on the ground, but only after the frozen stuff has
stopped falling. They then assume it's snow. The majority of people would
most probably know the difference between hail and snow when it's falling,
but fewer probably recognise the difference when it's on the ground. (you
have to look closely) Another sign distinguishing snow and hail is the
location of the fall - snow usually settles above a certain altitude, while
hail is less discriminatory about altitude. However, (especially this time
of the year in SE Australia and NZ), heavy thunder and hailstorms may quite
possibly lower the temperature of the air where they hit, locally lowering
freezing levels for a time, allowing snow to fall to lower levels than
expected.

  It seems likely that the changeable weather affecting SE Australia and NZ
is set to continue for some time - blame El NIno or more likely some other
cause. One thing that irritates me a bit about the media reporting on
weather events is that when they cover a wintry outbreak this time of the
year in SE Oz and NZ , they often refer to it as the 'last gasp of winter'.
And guess what happens a few weeks later - another wintry blast (just as
cold as the previous one) strikes.

Ben
Christchurch
NZ

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:21:23 +1000
>From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
>Subject: aus-wx: Bloody scary stuff
>Now. This is bloody scary. Victoria at the start of October with these =
>warnings.=20
>People forget. Ash Wednesday again? I Damn well hope not.....

This is the second such warning in two weeks, but hopefully conditions won't
be as bad as last time (that was the Sunday when the fire broke out near
Cape Otway and in the upper Yarra). My understanding is that northern
Victoria has observed crown fires even in June, so extreme fire danger in
October (which distinctly uncomfortable), is probably not that rare. 

BTW further to my post earlier in the week, the progs are showing a
convergence towards a significant trough/low developing through central Vic
in the coming two days (eg NOGAPS at
http://152.80.49.205/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_all.cgi?type=prod&area=ngp_ausnz&prod=
prp ) This type of system is the "almost-classic" heavy rain producer for
central Victoria. This is certainly one to watch. I wouldn't be surprised to
see 25-50mm falls in the topographically favored central areas IF this
eventuates. Also... watch for a strong front early next week...

Regards,

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From: "James Holbeach" <james at trapdoor.com.au>
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"  I think it gets mis-reported when people are passing through an area
and see a coating of white on the ground, but only after the frozen
stuff has stopped falling. They then assume it's snow. The majority of
people would most probably know the difference between hail and snow
when it's falling, but fewer probably recognise the difference when it's
on the ground. (you have to look closely) Another sign distinguishing
snow and hail is the location of the fall - snow usually settles above a
certain altitude, while hail is less discriminatory about altitude.
However, (especially this time of the year in SE Australia and NZ),
heavy thunder and hailstorms may quite possibly lower the temperature of
the air where they hit, locally lowering freezing levels for a time,
allowing snow to fall to lower levels than expected."

What about Sago? Is that snow or hail :) 

James Holbeach

James Holbeach
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Mt. Hotham, Australia
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> Simon..
> Don't believe everything you hear.
> First of all,I assume you are referring to Sunday afternoon,
> 2nd - Sutton forest is near Bowral - Mittagong and quite a distance
from
> Goulburn. 3rd - the 3 pm temps in both Bowral and Moss Vale were 11
> degrees.(In goulburn it was 12) and in Moss Vale it fell to 9 at 4pm -
> hardly "snow" temps. Bowral did report past storm at 6 pm. A friend
who
> was in Bowral playing golf told me there was a fair bit of small hail
as
> the storm passed around 4-4.30 but nothing unusual for such an event.
> Snow remains the most mis-reported meteorological phenomenon in
> Australia... more so even than the famous "mini tornado"! So, as a
> weather list, let's not encourage this. Cheers, Don White

  I think it gets mis-reported when people are passing through an area
and
see a coating of white on the ground, but only after the frozen stuff
has
stopped falling. They then assume it's snow. The majority of people
would
most probably know the difference between hail and snow when it's
falling,
but fewer probably recognise the difference when it's on the ground.
(you
have to look closely) Another sign distinguishing snow and hail is the
location of the fall - snow usually settles above a certain altitude,
while
hail is less discriminatory about altitude. However, (especially this
time
of the year in SE Australia and NZ), heavy thunder and hailstorms may
quite
possibly lower the temperature of the air where they hit, locally
lowering
freezing levels for a time, allowing snow to fall to lower levels than
expected.

  It seems likely that the changeable weather affecting SE Australia and
NZ
is set to continue for some time - blame El NIno or more likely some
other
cause. One thing that irritates me a bit about the media reporting on
weather events is that when they cover a wintry outbreak this time of
the
year in SE Oz and NZ , they often refer to it as the 'last gasp of
winter'.
And guess what happens a few weeks later - another wintry blast (just as
cold as the previous one) strikes.

Ben
Christchurch
NZ

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> What about Sago? Is that snow or hail :) 
> James Holbeach

Hail.

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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and we always called it sago snow when I was in a kid in Canberra......


Jane
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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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> > What about Sago? Is that snow or hail :)
> > James Holbeach
>
> Hail.
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Subject: aus-wx: Louisiana Hurricane season
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I came across 
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:27:27 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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That's a good page! Thanks Dave.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:12:46 -0500
Subject: aus-wx: Louisiana Hurricane season

> Hello All:
>        I came across this off-beat look at Louisiana's Hurricane
> Season(Procedures & Precautions). I thought it was pretty good. The web
> address is: http://www.debsfunpages.com/hurricane.htm . 
>        Enjoy & have a good week      yours      David Powell
> 

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From: "arky dave" <dajapo at voltage.net>
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I LOVE time-lapse movies and that was a super one!!! Well done!!!
----- Original Message -----
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> Hi all,
>
> Some impressive storms on the NSW North Coast this afternoon. Probably
some
> severe weather about, but only reports of small hail and intense rain at
> this stage.
>
> One cell managed to develop right in front of the webcam, so I've uploaded
> a small movie file if you'd like to see:
> It's 412km in size and covers the period from 3.22pm to 4.55pm. It is a
> good one to loop over and over :)
>
> http://australiasevereweather.com/video/webcam/2002/0923mb01.mpg
>
> cheers, Michael
>
>
>
>   ==================================================================
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>   McLeans Ridges    co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/
>   North Coast NSW   webmaster:    http://lightningphotography.com/
>   Australia         co-webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:24:07 +1000
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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Grabbed this link from the weatherzone forum:

http://tamworth.yourguide.com.au/detail.asp?class=news&subclass=local&story_id=185171&category=general%20news&m=10&y=2002

Looks like we got footage/photos of a tornadic storm  from a distance
!!! Niangala is SE of Tamworth.. ill try and look it up on
whereis.com.au later.... If anyone wants to come along on saturday to
try and find a damage track, let me know as I may head up.
Photograph in the link above of the damaged house looks like the tornado
was F2, maybe stronger.
Photos etc from James Harris will be up at www.sydneystormchasers.com
later this evening when he gets back from work.
I must say.. its a pretty good feeling when a tornado occurs less than 1
hours drive from your original target area, even if you didnt see it!

Matthew Smith

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02/10 17:30  NNW  10  16  28.8  -22.8  2  47.2 (Very High)  0.0  1012.5

Just in case anyone is interested......2% humidity -22.8 dew point.  Is this
some sort of record?


Greg Stewart


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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: September Averages
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only managed to scrape together 35mm of rain 
in&nbsp;the old gauge&nbsp;for September... the lowest amount&nbsp;I've 
recorded&nbsp;so far since I&nbsp;got my&nbsp;wx station.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>September's readings from my wx station (in 
Morphett Vale, SA) can be found here if anyone is interested :&nbsp;<A 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: SE Aust trough
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Morning all,

Will be interesting to monitor this situation for the next few
days.....especially with cyclogenesis over our part of the world.  The drier
low levels (below 650hPa) that were evident over Mt Gambier yesterday
morning in the sounding had reached Melbourne by last night, with mid-level
moisture remaining between 650 and 300hPa.

21:34 UTC, 02/10/2002
AREA FORECAST 022300 TO 031100 AREAS 30/32

OVERVIEW:
 NORTHWESTERLY FLOW SHIFTING SOUTHERLY TO W OF TROUGH EXPECTED NEAR
NARACOORTE/PORTLAND 05Z, MILDURA/KING ISLAND 11Z. PATCHY RAIN W OF
 RENMARK/KING ISLAND EXTENDING SLOWLY EASTWARD TO W OF BALRANALD/FLIKI BY
05Z AND W OF 148E BY 11Z. ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS NE OF
HAY/MANSFIELD/DELEGATE AFTER 04Z, MAINLY RANGES.

Jane

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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:26:12 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Subject: aus-wx: Hurricane Lili bears down on Louisiana
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Lili is already Category 4 which makes it the most powerful Hurricane to 
hit the Gulf states coast in at least 20 years (can anyone find the 
exact records please?).
We need to pray that the people living in those low-lying coastlands of 
Louisiana will obey the authorities and get out in time, or the toll 
there could be high.
I have just finished adding links to some text-only local NWS warning 
pages to my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm as it is 
receiving many hits from the US right now.

Phil
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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There is a virus which is not from Clyve or his address but has used his
name.  Don't open them - delete them.

Titled Re:aus-wx: Can the ASWA please teach newsreaders.

Jane

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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Moning Glory
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Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone else got this post from David Hart as it didn't
arrive in my Aussie-wx folder, I found it buried in my normal emails .. it's
good reading.

:)

Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)
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> Just thought I'd mention that I'm currently in Karumba (northern Qld)
> involved in the Gulf Line field experiment. (I = Robert Goler)
>
> For those not in the know, this is a field experiment involving people
from
> Monash Uni in Melbourne (where I'm from), people from the BoM and people
> from the University of Munich in Germany.  We're all here to collect data
> from weather stations, pilot balloons, and radiosondes to study the
morning
> glory around the southern Cape York Peninsula, and the north Australian
> cloud line over the northern peninsula.  There is no mobile coverage up
> here, so I'll occasionally post an email or two on the list when something
> interesting happens. For some basic info about what these cloud lines look
> like, see here:
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Thesis/introduction.html
>
> I arrived on Sunday with a fellow student after driving all the way up
from
> Melbourne leaving Wednesday.  Had to drive up with Monash Uni's 4wd as we
> had to take a whole load of equipment up with us.  The trip was pretty
> uneventful, ie no break downs or fatal encounters with wildlife...although
> quite a few bugs got up close and personal with the windshield.  The most
> exciting parts were the dust filled skies around Jerilderie on Wednesday,
> and coming into Goondiwindi on Thursday night where we did see some
distant
> lightning further to the north.
> For the record we stayed the night at West Wyalong, Goondiwindi,
Rockhampton
> (a real dodgey place!) and Townsville, and sampled what nightlife they had
> on offer...hence the late starts the following morning...hehe!
>
> In Karumba we've had southerlies the past 2 days as a cold front passed
> through early on Sunday morning. However conditions should be ok for the
> next few days for morning glories to form, so hopefully something exciting
> will happen!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Robert
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Subject: aus-wx: Next NSW ASWA Meeting - Saturday 12th October
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Hello aussie-weather people,

The next NSW ASWA meeting will be held on Saturday, 12th of October.
Venue:     The Weather Company, 7 West St, North Sydney.
Time:      7pm
Parking:   Free in the streets around the TWC building.
Press the 'Weather21' buzzer to be let in.

Agenda:
* Discussion, photos & video of Friday 27th Sept Sydney evening storms, and
  the Sept 18/19 windstorms, plus other recent events
* Discussion about Thunder Down Under this year
* ASWA polo shirts will be for sale for $25 each, along with hats and stickers
* Storm News update
* ASWA committee update
* Current weather analysis by Matthew Pearce

If you have any video/slides/photos/charts, etc that you'd like to show at
this meeting, please bring it along.  We usually order pizza as well, so
bring a few dollars for that :)

Friends and relatives are welcome - come along and discuss the weather!

See you there,
Malcolm Ninnes and Matthew Pearce
NSW ASWA State Reps



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got it twice, NAV stopped it though.

Cheers
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Simon Angell
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> There is a virus which is not from Clyve or his address but has used his
> name.  Don't open them - delete them.
>
> Titled Re:aus-wx: Can the ASWA please teach newsreaders.
>
> Jane
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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Thankyou Jane.

Simon (Can-Wx) has recieved a few so im led to believe, looks like we better
ALL have a close look at our systems again,
Warnings are running rife in #weather chat.
Luckily, operating a mac im not remotely susceptible to these, but now that
i have spoken up, if my mail server is alerting to me to virii/trojans, i
wont be such a nice person as i am now.

Cmon everyone, lets sort this crap out now before this mailing list
dissolves.

Turn the bloody html coding off and get on with business.
The experienced will KNOW that html coding will harbour virii and trojans,
if it will take less than a minute of your time to disable it before posting
to the list, it will save a hell of a lot of anger, frustration, computers
and ill feeling directed to the aus-wx mailing list, where it is not
rightfully deserved.

Its simple, and isnt restricted to this mailing list only.

Regards
Dale
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There is a virus which is not from Clyve or his address but has used his
name.  Don't open them - delete them.

Titled Re:aus-wx: Can the ASWA please teach newsreaders.

Jane

--------------------------------
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cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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Dale wrote:
<snip>
Turn the bloody html coding off and get on with business.
<snip>


Clyve's computer didn't send this virus to anyone - the address that the
email came from is not his - it's a fake.

The virus creates the code and forms the attachment (if any) - and then
sends it out from an unrelated computer.  That's why the sending email
addresses are always wrong.


Jane
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
To: "aussie-weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Virus and Clyve
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:37:10 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would never doubt anything Clyve ever sent. What 
a knowledgeable man !!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If he would ever try to virus effect anyone !! A 
man who freely gives out information in a term I can understand. Rock on Clyve 
!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CLYVE is not infected !!!!</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Trying to learn
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A low forming/swirling in the SW of Victoria 
ATM?</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy,</FONT></DIV>
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Spot on! It is clearly depicted on the radar / tracker. The wrap around is in 
SA.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers Peter (Didjman)</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: SE Aust trough
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Amazing 'rotation' showing up on the radar tonight over western Victoria
and southeastern SA, with lightning tracker showing storms along the
cloudbands wrapping into the circulation!! The cloudband through the
west of the state (from Mildura and south) is only moving east v. e. r.
y slowly.

Nick Sykes and Paul Yole are out there somewhere!!


Jane

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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: September Averages
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<DIV><FONT size=2>That's&nbsp;a downpour !!.&nbsp; I have not had 35mm since 
July 1 to date. That being said this dry is the most acute I have seen. I have 
seen longer term dry spells with more rain, but nothing matching the last three 
months.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:04 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: September 
  Averages</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Only managed to scrape together 35mm of rain 
  in&nbsp;the old gauge&nbsp;for September... the lowest amount&nbsp;I've 
  recorded&nbsp;so far since I&nbsp;got my&nbsp;wx station.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>September's readings from my wx station (in 
  Morphett Vale, SA) can be found here if anyone is interested :&nbsp;<A 
  href="http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer/monthsumseptember2002.htm">http://homepages.picknowl.com.au/stargazer/monthsumseptember2002.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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