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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #1412
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:11:40 +1000
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You are so right !Its very boreing in Canberra
Gavin
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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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> > Must have been snowing on Mt hutt today, surely.
> > Cheers
> > Steven Williams
> > Auckland
>
>  TV1 weather mentioned snow being down to about 800 metres on Mt Hutt and
> around Queenstown, and I saw the alps this afternoon with a fresh coating
> (somewhat more than a light dusting) this afternoon. Could be a little
more
> later this week and weekend with a strong disturbed west to southwest flow
> likely over NZ; this might also bring gales to the southern coasts - watch
> out Dunedin. All thanks to a high which will probably be stationary over
> southeast Oz. (there'll probably be complaints about how boring the
weather
> is over there soon)
>
> Ben
> Christchurch
> NZ
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: E-mailing the weather
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:33:58 +1000
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Hi les,
I use the weather.com ( www.weather.com )email service that emails 2 daily 5
day forecast for me (except weekends)... It is pretty accurate in Weather
conditions but temps are slightly out some times, but that is to be expected
with a us based forecaster, it has the forecast for the today and the next 4
days in the Celcius form, then a small description of what to expect however
this bit comes in the US temp form and not the Metric standard

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From: "Leslie Muir" <s355334 at student.uq.edu.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:53 PM
Subject: aus-wx: E-mailing the weather


> Does anyone know a website or server or something of that nature that
> e-mails you the weather in the morning or the day before?
> Thanks in Advance
>
> Les
> (Dilbert)
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Forecaster's Perspective - storm report 12/4/2002
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:27:21 +1000
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I agree matt, fantastic read... More Svr-Wx BoM people shoud do this kind of
thing...

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From: "Matthew Smith" <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Forecaster's Perspective - storm report 12/4/2002


>
> Nice stuff Jane! Thanks for putting it up on MSC. Tell Kevin that all of
us on
> aussie-weather appreciate it, and would love to read more in the future :)
>
> Matt Smith
> sydneystormchasers.com
>
> Jane ONeill wrote:
>
> > Evening all,
> >
> > Kevin Parkyn from BoM Severe Weather in Melbourne has put together the
> > following analysis & report on the severe multicell in the SW district
> > of Victoria on the 12th April.  This is a unique look at a forecaster's
> > perspective of a severe weather event.
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/12_04_02kp.htm
> >
> > Enjoy!!
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > --------------------------------
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:57:40 +1000
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Thanx pauly for going to the trouble of getting these links....its now cost
me an hour that i could have been doing some work on my website, lol.:P

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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland


> Hey All,
>
> Well, I guess Matt dobbed me in on this one...LOL. But doing some
research, and I've found the following links regarding this
> amazing outbreak.
>
> The NWS posted this on their IWIN website:
> http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/md/public.html
>
> PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
> NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON
> 415 PM EDT MON APR 29 2002
>
> ...CHARLES COUNTY TORNADO NOW RATED AN F-5 ON THE FUJITA SCALE...
>
> ...LA PLATA TORNADO BECOMES THE STRONGEST TORNADO EVER RECORDED
>    IN MARYLAND...
>
> A STORM SURVEY TEAM FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IS CURRENTLY
> SURVEYING TORNADO DAMAGE IN CHARLES COUNTY.
>
> SURVEY RESULTS INDICATE THE TORNADO WAS AN F-5 ON THE FUJITA
> SCALE. WIND SPEEDS IN THIS TORNADO HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED TO BE
> GREATER THAN 260 MPH. THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT AT LEAST 6
> HOMES WERE COMPLETELY WIPED OFF THEIR FOUNDATION IN CHARLES COUNTY
> WITH 3 OF THESE HOMES JUST EAST OF LA PLATA.
>
> THIS IS THE STRONGEST TORNADO EVER RECORDED IN MARYLAND.
>
> THE TORNADO PATH LENGTH WAS 24 MILES IN CHARLES COUNTY AND AT LEAST
> 6 MILES INTO CALVERT COUNTY. THE TORNADO WIDTH WAS 400 YARDS. THE
> TORNADO TOUCHED TOWN BETWEEN RISEN AND MARBURY AS AN F-2 THEN
> STRENGTHENED TO AN F-4 AS IT WENT THROUGH LA PLATA.  THE TORNADO
> THEN STRENGTHENED TO AN F-5 ON THE EAST SIDE OF LA PLATA.  THE
> TORNADO WAS AT LEAST F-4 STRENGTH AS IT MOVED TO BENEDICT IN CHARLES
> COUNTY.  THE TORNADO THEN TRACKED INTO CALVERT COUNTY.
>
> THERE ARE 3 CONFIRMED DEATHS AND OVER 90 INJURIES.
>
> Other sites with information and stuff are the following:
>
> WUSA (Washington DC) News' report (A beautiful pic of the tornado under
the RFB and some amazing damage pics))
> http://www.wusatv9.com/news/news_article.asp?storyid=5935
>
> WUSA also has a report by Howard Bernstein and how it reminded him of the
College Park tornado of 7 months ago
> http://www.wusatv9.com/weather/weather_article.asp?storyid=5952
>
> CNN's report (Has some video, but CNN now want you to subscribe to watch
it :o( )
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/04/29/storm.deaths/index.html
>
> USA Today's report (With video)
> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2002/2002-04-29-mdf5tornado.htm
>
> LA Times report
>
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-000030686apr30.story?coll=
la%2Dheadlines%2Dnation
>
> Images of the tornados (Check out the "Twins"!!!!!)
> http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/lwx/publicpix/
>
> The NewsOK.Com report (Oklahoma)
> http://newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=854707&pic=none&TP=getarticle
>
> NOAA's report on this event. Has some amazing damage pics (Not from the
F5, but I think an F2 in KY), as well as an amazing sat
> animation in either avi or mpg format (Look at the cell develop 2 states
away!!!!!)
> http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s896.htm
>
> PaulY
>
> Paul Yole
> Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA
> Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA
> Cell Phone#: (040) 081-9519
> http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/
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From: "Dave Ellem" <stormboy2002 at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Offtopic: Mass Histeria!! Need Music From Singing In The Rain!!!!!
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:20:48 +1000
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Hi Everyone!
Sorry for the offtopic post, but I have an assessment task in 2 days on acid
rain (I have to do a speech). I thought it would be a great into to the
speech if I had the music from singing in the rain playing in the background
whilst I come in with a raincoat on and the music suddenly coming to a halt
once I mentioned acid rain!! Problem is that I can't find anyone that has
the CD!!!! I've tried everywhere!! If anyone has the CD could they convert
it to a wav file and send it too me. I probably only need the intro (ie
frist 30secs of the song). I am in great need of this right away!!! If
anyone could send me the file tonight or tomorrow privately to
stormboy2003 at hotmail.com at the latest I would be in debt to them forever =)
Thanks again and sorry for the rather offtopic post!!
Dave Ellem

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>,
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Subject: aus-wx: uk.sci weather thread on 'Mini-Tornados'
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you can get it everyone check out the 
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 04:54:10 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 
4.5inch hail was reported on th 29-4-02 this time</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>TIME |&nbsp;SIZE | 
LOCATION&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| 
COUNTY&nbsp; | STATE | &nbsp;LAT &nbsp;| LONG | COMMENTS</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0133&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;<STRONG>275</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 W 
WEATHERFORD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PARKER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3276&nbsp;&nbsp; 9789&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
REPORTED BY </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
STORM SPOTTER.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(FTW)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0134<STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
300</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5 S 
BRIDGEPORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3313&nbsp;&nbsp; 9776&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
REPORTED BY </FONT></DIV>
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STORM SPOTTER. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(FTW)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0153<STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
450&nbsp;</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
DECATUR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3323&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
9760&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;REPORTED BY HAM </FONT></DIV>
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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
RADIO OPERATOR. </FONT></DIV>
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(FTW)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 
0.75</STRONG>"<STRONG>)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Source --&gt; <A 
href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html</A>&nbsp;OR</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html</A></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR></FONT><A href="http://www.canberra-wx.com"><FONT 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Jimmy Deguara" &lt;</FONT><A 
href="mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au"><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>jdeguara at ihug.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: &lt;</FONT><A 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into 
lake</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&gt; Hi Tom and John,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp;From the type of storms they 
have over there I do not doubt the existence <BR>&gt; of sigificant giant 
hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each <BR>&gt; season 
particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though <BR>&gt; that 
there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply <BR>&gt; by 
the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say <BR>&gt; 
there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and 
<BR>&gt; they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more 
<BR>&gt; common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high 
cape <BR>&gt; conditions, then significant hail should occur more 
regularly.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail 
swathe is a much <BR>&gt; smaller probability but if we go by counties, then 
probabilities increase. <BR>&gt; I also do not doubt that such giant hail events 
do occur in particular <BR>&gt; areas of Australia - some are more prone than 
others. The area SW of Camden <BR>&gt; near Oakdale receives severe hail at a 
higher frequency than other <BR>&gt; surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and 
Central parts of Sydney also seems <BR>&gt; to have had more of the frequent 
hail events than say the region I live and <BR>&gt; surrounds. It is extremely 
rare for supercell type of events to affect my <BR>&gt; area but the region in 
SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events <BR>&gt; in my view based on 
the proximity to topographic effects such as the region <BR>&gt; near Oakdale 
and just to the west.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; On a similar note and getting back to the 
US, I was quite interested in <BR>&gt; reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's 
web site about storm chasers' <BR>&gt; beliefs that the panhandle region has a 
higher density of tornadoes than <BR>&gt; the statistical analyses suggest 
(Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well the <BR>&gt; tornado we got last year is 
officially recorded as F3 based on damage to <BR>&gt; one building and 2 cars 
picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway (the <BR>&gt; one we were 
travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than this <BR>&gt; simply 
by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar <BR>&gt; 
cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively sparsely 
<BR>&gt; populated area of the US.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Interesting 
discussion.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:<BR>&gt; 
&gt;Hi Tom.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;That I believe may be the case, and I had 
serious doubts about a report of<BR>&gt; &gt;4.5" hail in Denver county 
Colorado, which caused $0 damage.&nbsp; Denver county<BR>&gt; &gt;is very small, 
just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you<BR>&gt; &gt;would 
expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous<BR>&gt; 
&gt;Sydney hailstorm.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;But Jimmy provided this excellent 
link,<BR>&gt; &gt;http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice 
photos of 2.5"<BR>&gt; &gt;and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my 
hand as compared to the<BR>&gt; &gt;photos.&nbsp; But there is no claim in this 
article made about the size of<BR>&gt; &gt;specific hailstones shown in the 
pics, so it is hard to say if there is any<BR>&gt; &gt;exaggeration or 
not.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on 
several occasions (no storm<BR>&gt; &gt;chasing), but would have to say that for 
any particular location (street)<BR>&gt; &gt;around Brisbane it would be an 
approx 1 in 25 year event.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Regards,<BR>&gt; &gt;John 
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wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 
there was 4.5inch hail<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;reported, thats 
11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>&gt; &gt;Now I'm not saying that those reports are 
untrue (and they might have been<BR>&gt; &gt;properly verified, I don't know). 
But in my time in the USA I have noticed<BR>&gt; &gt;a cultural difference 
between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to<BR>&gt; &gt;understate many 
things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate&nbsp; - and<BR>&gt; &gt;they 
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Paul,

I have not used any other type of electronic weather station, so can't 
really compare. The price has always put me off those.

I find the sensors on the WM-918 quite accurate. I have a BoM rain gauge 
for my "proper" readings and the weather station always has similar 
figures. I also have a thermometer in a stevenson screen and again, the 
weather station temps are similar. It all depends on where you place the 
sensors - I know my weather station temps are not as accurate when there is 
no wind (the sensor is not in the screen as it is too far away from my PC), 
and the anemometer is not giving accurate readings when a southerly is 
blowing - because there are lots of trees to the south.

The station is very good value for $300 or even $400 !

Michael



At 07:35 PM 30/4/2002 +0930, you wrote:
>Michael,
>
>I've just got myself  a WM-918 today (also for $298) - yet to set it up,
>still reading the idiot's.. er.. "User Manual".
>How have u found it's preformance? Do u think it's as good as the more
>expensive stations?
>
>& thanks for the link! :))
>
>Regs. Paul.
>(Stargazer)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Bath" <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:54 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station?
>
>
> > It is not worth it. I have seen the software and it is not as good as Andy
> > Keir's FreeWx:
> >
> > http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html
> >
> > I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the
> > DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for
>$298)
> >
> > Michael
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>I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the 
>DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for
>$298)
>
>Michael

I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to
work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See 

http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/

I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to
compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500
mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this review
would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs.

Regards,

David

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It's not only Paul Y's links, it's everybody's links on this list.
They "waste" hours and hours of my time!
... wouldn't have it any other way, though.

Phil
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:57:40 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland

> Thanx pauly for going to the trouble of getting these links....its now
> cost
> me an hour that i could have been doing some work on my website, lol.:P
> 
> Cheers
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Hi David,

Check my post earlier today about the accuracy. I rarely look at the 
pressure readings so can't comment on those, but rain rates, temp and 
humidity seem accurate.

Cables could be longer but it all seems to work.

MB



At 08:29 AM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:

> >I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the
> >DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for
> >$298)
> >
> >Michael
>
>I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to
>work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See
>
>http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/
>
>I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to
>compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500
>mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this review
>would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs.
>
>Regards,
>
>David
>
>Dr David Jones
>
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>National Climate Centre
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Hello David.
I like your description of gear snobs!, I have a Davis weather wizard 3
which is basic and you have to add a tipping bucket rain gauge at extra
cost, the anemometer is very good  and the temp (outside) is reasonably
accurate, the rain gauge is a different story which came with instructions
on how to calibrate it, which I suspect were wrong, I eventually calibrated
the rain gauge myself to get it as close as possible to my manual rain
gauge, its working ok now except when the maggie poo blocks up the rain
catch, the maggies also peck at the wind cups ( I am now on the second set).
A rather good weather station though is the Davis weather monitor 2 although
getting a bit expensive when buying it with 'the lot'. regards Clyve H.
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>
> >I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with
the
> >DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for
> >$298)
> >
> >Michael
>
> I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to
> work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See
>
> http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/
>
> I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to
> compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500
> mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this
review
> would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs.
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> Dr David Jones
>
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> National Climate Centre
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We should all move to southwest WA over the next 
few days, nice cold frontal band with embedded storms moving southeast towards 
that region, looks like the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some 
good falls of rain, plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to 
the west has an impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to 
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Yep, looks great Clyve.

Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the
city site today.

As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which occured on
the 2nd May, 1907.

Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on the 3rd
May, 1972.

Jacob

At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>
> Hi all.
> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal
> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like
> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain,
> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an
> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached
> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low today
> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24
> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H.



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Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site
today.

Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C.
Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm,
unlikely to break their record now.

Jacob


At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>
>Yep, looks great Clyve.
>
>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the
>city site today.
>
>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which
occured on
>the 2nd May, 1907.
>
>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on
the 3rd
>May, 1972.
>
>Jacob
>
>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>>
>> Hi all.
>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal
>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like
>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain,
>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an
>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached
>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low
today
>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24
>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H.
>
>
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PERTH METRO  01 13:40  34.0  13.5  29  N  

Just hit 34C, amazing stuff.

Perth Airport record is now also broken

PERTH AIRPORT  01 13:40  33.9  11.6  25  NNE

JANDAKOT AIRPORT  01 13:40  32.4  12.7  30  NNE

Jacob


At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>
>Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site
>today.
>
>Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C.
>Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm,
>unlikely to break their record now.
>
>Jacob
>
>
>At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>>
>>Yep, looks great Clyve.
>>
>>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the
>>city site today.
>>
>>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which
>occured on
>>the 2nd May, 1907.
>>
>>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on
>the 3rd
>>May, 1972.
>>
>>Jacob
>>
>>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold
frontal
>>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like
>>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain,
>>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an
>>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached
>>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low
>today
>>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the
next 24
>>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H.
>>
>>
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From: "Ashton H Anderson" <ashtonha at ozemail.com.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Tekton color=#800000 size=4>Amazing alright 
Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct? Does this also beat the 
<U>previous </U>City site record?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV><BR>PERTH METRO&nbsp; 01 13:40&nbsp; 34.0&nbsp; 13.5&nbsp; 
  29&nbsp; N&nbsp; <BR><BR>Just hit 34C, amazing stuff.<BR><BR>Perth Airport 
  record is now also broken<BR><BR>PERTH AIRPORT&nbsp; 01 13:40&nbsp; 33.9&nbsp; 
  11.6&nbsp; 25&nbsp; NNE<BR><BR>JANDAKOT AIRPORT&nbsp; 01 13:40&nbsp; 
  32.4&nbsp; 12.7&nbsp; 30&nbsp; NNE<BR><BR>Jacob<BR><BR><BR>At 01:21 PM 
  1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Just broke the record, 32.7 at 
  1:08pm is the max so far for the city site<BR>&gt;today.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Perth 
  Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 
  33.7C.<BR>&gt;Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C 
  at 1pm,<BR>&gt;unlikely to break their record 
  now.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Jacob<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, 
  you wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Yep, looks great 
  Clyve.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Also note that we are very close to breaking the 
  all time May record for the<BR>&gt;&gt;city site 
  today.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May 
  record is 32.4 which<BR>&gt;occured on<BR>&gt;&gt;the 2nd May, 
  1907.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their 
  record 36.6 recorded on<BR>&gt;the 3rd<BR>&gt;&gt;May, 
  1972.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Jacob<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;At 12:40 PM 
  1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: <BR>&gt;&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi 
  all.<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; We should all move to southwest WA over the next few 
  days, nice cold<BR>frontal<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; band with embedded storms moving 
  southeast towards that region, looks like<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; the area south of 
  Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain,<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; 
  plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has 
  an<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems 
  to have reached<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; its farthest northerly location before 
  wrapping around the maturing low<BR>&gt;today<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; ,there's a 
  slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the<BR>next 
  24<BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. 
  regards Clyve H.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; 
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Yes it does, as you probably know, the official city site has moved several
times in over 100 years of records. So its not directly comparable. The old
record of 32.4 was recorded on the 2nd May, 1907.

Jacob


At 04:02 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>
> Amazing alright Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct? Does
> this also beat the previous City site record?
>  
> Ashton
>>
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>> From: <mailto:jacob at iinet.net.au>Jacob 
>> To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:43 PM 
>> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record
>>
>>
>>
>> PERTH METRO  01 13:40  34.0  13.5  29  N  
>>
>> Just hit 34C, amazing stuff.
>>
>> Perth Airport record is now also broken
>>
>> PERTH AIRPORT  01 13:40  33.9  11.6  25  NNE
>>
>> JANDAKOT AIRPORT  01 13:40  32.4  12.7  30  NNE
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>>
>> At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: 
>> > 
>> >Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site 
>> >today. 
>> > 
>> >Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C. 
>> >Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm, 
>> >unlikely to break their record now. 
>> > 
>> >Jacob 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>Yep, looks great Clyve. 
>> >> 
>> >>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for
>> the 
>> >>city site today. 
>> >> 
>> >>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which 
>> >occured on 
>> >>the 2nd May, 1907. 
>> >> 
>> >>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on 
>> >the 3rd 
>> >>May, 1972. 
>> >> 
>> >>Jacob 
>> >> 
>> >>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Hi all. 
>> >>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold 
>> frontal 
>> >>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks
>> like 
>> >>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of
>> rain, 
>> >>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has
>> an 
>> >>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have
>> reached 
>> >>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low 
>> >today 
>> >>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the 
>> next 24 
>> >>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve
>> H. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I&nbsp;asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he 
is a&nbsp;US met)..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact 
studies he has been involved in have shown that larger hail&nbsp;has fallen in 
parts of&nbsp;AU, China, and India...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, 
i think that it is mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception 
of smailler reports which&nbsp;have 0.88 size.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We also have to remember that all they need is 1 
stone of 4.5" to report it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then 
there was a 4.5" stone that fell near a spotter....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial 
size=2></FONT><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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  <A title=seangell at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au">Simon 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 
  4.5inch hail was reported on th 29-4-02 this time</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>TIME |&nbsp;SIZE | 
  LOCATION&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| 
  COUNTY&nbsp; | STATE | &nbsp;LAT &nbsp;| LONG | COMMENTS</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0133&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;<STRONG>275</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 W 
  WEATHERFORD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;PARKER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3276&nbsp;&nbsp; 9789&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  REPORTED BY </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0134<STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  300</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;5 S 
  BRIDGEPORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3313&nbsp;&nbsp; 9776&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>0153<STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  450&nbsp;</STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  DECATUR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3323&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  9760&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;REPORTED BY HAM </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 
  0.75</STRONG>"<STRONG>)</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Source --&gt; <A 
  href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html</A>&nbsp;OR</FONT></DIV>
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  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html</A></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>&gt; Hi Tom and John,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp;From the type of storms 
  they have over there I do not doubt the existence <BR>&gt; of sigificant giant 
  hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each <BR>&gt; season 
  particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though <BR>&gt; 
  that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply 
  <BR>&gt; by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's 
  say <BR>&gt; there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do 
  exist and <BR>&gt; they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since 
  supercells are more <BR>&gt; common in the US due to the higher frequencies of 
  wind shear and high cape <BR>&gt; conditions, then significant hail should 
  occur more regularly.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Of course, any particular area being 
  hit by the hail swathe is a much <BR>&gt; smaller probability but if we go by 
  counties, then probabilities increase. <BR>&gt; I also do not doubt that such 
  giant hail events do occur in particular <BR>&gt; areas of Australia - some 
  are more prone than others. The area SW of Camden <BR>&gt; near Oakdale 
  receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other <BR>&gt; surrounding 
  areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also seems <BR>&gt; to 
  have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live and 
  <BR>&gt; surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to 
  affect my <BR>&gt; area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone 
  to such events <BR>&gt; in my view based on the proximity to topographic 
  effects such as the region <BR>&gt; near Oakdale and just to the west.<BR>&gt; 
  <BR>&gt; On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested 
  in <BR>&gt; reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm 
  chasers' <BR>&gt; beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of 
  tornadoes than <BR>&gt; the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the 
  epicentre). Well the <BR>&gt; tornado we got last year is officially recorded 
  as F3 based on damage to <BR>&gt; one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown 
  across the 4 lane highway (the <BR>&gt; one we were travelling on). I do 
  believe the tornado was stronger than this <BR>&gt; simply by the shear size, 
  structure and significant rotation of the collar <BR>&gt; cloud. So this is 
  only one suspect example of many in a relatively sparsely <BR>&gt; populated 
  area of the US.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Interesting discussion.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; At 
  11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;Hi Tom.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a report 
  of<BR>&gt; &gt;4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 
  damage.&nbsp; Denver county<BR>&gt; &gt;is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and 
  almost entirely built up, so you<BR>&gt; &gt;would expect hail that size to do 
  significant damage, as per the famous<BR>&gt; &gt;Sydney hailstorm.<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;But Jimmy provided this excellent link,<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of 
  2.5"<BR>&gt; &gt;and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as 
  compared to the<BR>&gt; &gt;photos.&nbsp; But there is no claim in this 
  article made about the size of<BR>&gt; &gt;specific hailstones shown in the 
  pics, so it is hard to say if there is any<BR>&gt; &gt;exaggeration or 
  not.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on 
  several occasions (no storm<BR>&gt; &gt;chasing), but would have to say that 
  for any particular location (street)<BR>&gt; &gt;around Brisbane it would be 
  an approx 1 in 25 year event.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Regards,<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;John W.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;snip<BR>&gt; &gt;-----Original 
  Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt;From: </FONT><A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com"><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>&gt; &gt;[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom 
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  &gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  &gt;I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was 4.5inch 
  hail<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>&gt; &gt;Now 
  I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have been<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have 
  noticed<BR>&gt; &gt;a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas 
  Aussies tend to<BR>&gt; &gt;understate many things, here in the USA people 
  like to exaggerate&nbsp; - and<BR>&gt; &gt;they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 
  inches was verified, I would have some<BR>&gt; &gt;doubts.<BR>&gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Cheers,<BR>&gt; &gt;Tom<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp; 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good evening all hows life treating 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers 
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Completely different. http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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> Glen,
> Do u run the weather view (basic) software that comes with it, or have u
got
> the other weather view software that DSE is asking $90.00 for & if so is
it
> worth it?
>
> Or r u running completely different software??
>
> Regs. Paul.
> (Stargazer)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:26 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station?
>
>
> > That is the one. Apparently they only have about 5 left in NSW.
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At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all
>I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..
>he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved 
>in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and India...

Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are 
suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and India or you are 
referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events in these countries. I 
suspect the latter. By the way, we call these exceptionaly giant tile 
smashign hail as "gorilla hail". I love it:)))))

>
>As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is 
>mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler 
>reports which have 0.88 size.
>
>We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report 
>it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5" 
>stone that fell near a spotter....

Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't doubt 
any of these readings in particular based on the arguments in my previous 
e-mails. I do of course know there can be some exaggeration.

Though I think most events that are able to produce the giant hail event 
would not usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my 
observations over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in 
particular begin with the "relatively" smaller hail (usually more isolated) 
but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature stage 
and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop less 
hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is such an 
organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say supercells in 
their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest giant hail events but 
I would not take any risks. I am wondering (suspect) if "extremely" high 
windshear situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic 
supercells are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail events.

Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt the 
extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting warnings 
of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" warning. Usually 
somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has pointed 
out just in recent examples.

This has been an interesting thread.

Jimmy Deguara


>Cheers
>---------------------------------------
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>Canberra, ACT
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>From: <mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Simon Angell
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
>
>Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on 
>th 29-4-02 this time
>
>TIME | SIZE | LOCATION                 | COUNTY  | STATE |  LAT  | LONG | 
>COMMENTS
>0133    275   5 W WEATHERFORD   PARKER    TX       3276   9789    REPORTED 
>BY
> 
>STORM SPOTTER.
> 
>(FTW)
>
>0134   300    5 S 
>BRIDGEPORT          WISE       TX       3313   9776    REPORTED BY
> 
>STORM SPOTTER.
> 
>(FTW)
>
>0153   450        DECATUR                 WISE        TX      3323    9760 
>   REPORTED BY HAM
> 
>RADIO OPERATOR.
> 
>(FTW)
>
>Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75")
>Source --> 
><http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html 
>OR
>                 http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html
>
>Cheers
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jimmy Deguara" <<mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
>To: <<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM
>Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> > Hi Tom and John,
> >
> >  From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the existence
> > of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each
> > season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though
> > that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply
> > by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say
> > there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and
> > they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more
> > common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape
> > conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.
> >
> > Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much
> > smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities increase.
> > I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in particular
> > areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of 
> Camden
> > near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other
> > surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also 
> seems
> > to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live 
> and
> > surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect my
> > area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events
> > in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the 
> region
> > near Oakdale and just to the west.
> >
> > On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in
> > reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'
> > beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes than
> > the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well 
> the
> > tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage to
> > one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway 
> (the
> > one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than 
> this
> > simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar
> > cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively 
> sparsely
> > populated area of the US.
> >
> > Interesting discussion.
> >
> > At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Hi Tom.
> > >
> > >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a 
> report of
> > >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage.  Denver 
> county
> > >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you
> > >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous
> > >Sydney hailstorm.
> > >
> > >But Jimmy provided this excellent link,
> > >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of 
> 2.5"
> > >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to 
> the
> > >photos.  But there is no claim in this article made about the size of
> > >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there 
> is any
> > >exaggeration or not.
> > >
> > >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm
> > >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location (street)
> > >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >John W.
> > > >snip
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: 
> <mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com 
>
> > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnstone
> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM
> > >To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> > >
> > >
> > >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:
> > > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was 
> 4.5inch hail
> > > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have 
> been
> > >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have 
> noticed
> > >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to
> > >understate many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate  - and
> > >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have some
> > >doubts.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Tom
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> > -----------------------------------------
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> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
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> >
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At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Good evening all hows life treating you.
>from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and 
>increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday.

Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here for 
another week.  We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :)

I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to 
hang around for at least another week!!!

The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are also 
trapping smog.  I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from 
tomorrow. :)

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially
in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass
Strait with an east coast low...?
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> At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Good evening all hows life treating you.
> >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and
> >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday.
>
> Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here
for
> another week.  We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :)
>
> I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to
> hang around for at least another week!!!
>
> The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are also
> trapping smog.  I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from
> tomorrow. :)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:22:22 +0930
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Even warmer than here in Alice Springs! The April average max. temp would've
been broken for most of Central Australia - not much good when we spent a
week floating (frying) in Dalhousie Hot Springs last week! We expected much
cooler temps.! The front off the sw coast looks good for some action -
hopefully it makes Adelaide. Here in Alice - fine days until October. More
interest in observing other locations.
Cheers,
Duncan Treloar
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>
> Yes it does, as you probably know, the official city site has moved
several
> times in over 100 years of records. So its not directly comparable. The
old
> record of 32.4 was recorded on the 2nd May, 1907.
>
> Jacob
>
>
> At 04:02 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > Amazing alright Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct?
Does
> > this also beat the previous City site record?
> >
> > Ashton
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <mailto:jacob at iinet.net.au>Jacob
> >> To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> PERTH METRO  01 13:40  34.0  13.5  29  N
> >>
> >> Just hit 34C, amazing stuff.
> >>
> >> Perth Airport record is now also broken
> >>
> >> PERTH AIRPORT  01 13:40  33.9  11.6  25  NNE
> >>
> >> JANDAKOT AIRPORT  01 13:40  32.4  12.7  30  NNE
> >>
> >> Jacob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city
site
> >> >today.
> >> >
> >> >Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of
33.7C.
> >> >Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at
1pm,
> >> >unlikely to break their record now.
> >> >
> >> >Jacob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Yep, looks great Clyve.
> >> >>
> >> >>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record
for
> >> the
> >> >>city site today.
> >> >>
> >> >>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which
> >> >occured on
> >> >>the 2nd May, 1907.
> >> >>
> >> >>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded
on
> >> >the 3rd
> >> >>May, 1972.
> >> >>
> >> >>Jacob
> >> >>
> >> >>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi all.
> >> >>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice
cold
> >> frontal
> >> >>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region,
looks
> >> like
> >> >>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls
of
> >> rain,
> >> >>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the
west has
> >> an
> >> >>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have
> >> reached
> >> >>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing
low
> >> >today
> >> >>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over
the
> >> next 24
> >> >>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards
Clyve
> >> H.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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At 07:04 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially
>in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass
>Strait with an east coast low...?

Well, who knows? :)

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>His Actual Comment...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>[16:11:16] &lt;StormSGF&gt; yes, 4.5" hail does 
exist<BR>[16:11:46] &lt;StormSGF&gt; infact, I'm surprised you asked that 
Canberra-Wx because our studies have shown that parts of AU, China, and India 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I assume he meant that we get&nbsp;bigger hail then 
they get....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, i was watching strom warning of the discovery 
channel a little earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase and got caught 
up in a hail storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1 to 2 inches, but the 
rear window got smashed then seconds later the front got shattered, although it 
was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it would have been 5" hail that 
bounced off the bonnet and hit the windscreen.. Toward the end of the story it 
showed a peice of giant hail in a person hand and said "this 3" hail..." to me 
however it looked 2" max as&nbsp; was smaller than the hand it was 
on!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&gt; At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;Hi all<BR>&gt; 
&gt;I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..<BR>&gt; &gt;he 
said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved <BR>&gt; 
&gt;in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and 
India...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure 
whether you are <BR>&gt; suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and 
India or you are <BR>&gt; referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events 
in these countries. I <BR>&gt; suspect the latter. By the way, we call these 
exceptionaly giant tile <BR>&gt; smashign hail as "gorilla hail". I love 
it:)))))<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;As for the rounding to the nearest 
.50 of an inch, i think that it is <BR>&gt; &gt;mainly rounded to the nearest 
0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler <BR>&gt; &gt;reports which have 0.88 
size.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;We also have to remember that all they need is 1 
stone of 4.5" to report <BR>&gt; &gt;it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches 
and then there was a 4.5" <BR>&gt; &gt;stone that fell near a 
spotter....<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As 
I said, I don't doubt <BR>&gt; any of these readings in particular based on the 
arguments in my previous <BR>&gt; e-mails. I do of course know there can be some 
exaggeration.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Though I think most events that are able to 
produce the giant hail event <BR>&gt; would not usually do it in an isolated 
manner - well not from my <BR>&gt; observations over the years. However, 
structurally, HP supercells in <BR>&gt; particular begin with the "relatively" 
smaller hail (usually more isolated) <BR>&gt; but then become larger as the main 
core passes over in their mature stage <BR>&gt; and falling more in torrents. I 
suspect LP supercells tend to drop less <BR>&gt; hail but can dump some giant 
stuff. I am not sure if there is such an <BR>&gt; organised structure. Classic 
supercells (or should I say supercells in <BR>&gt; their classic stage) are not 
renowned for the largest giant hail events but <BR>&gt; I would not take any 
risks. I am wondering (suspect) if "extremely" high <BR>&gt; windshear 
situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic <BR>&gt; supercells 
are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail events.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt the 
<BR>&gt; extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting 
warnings <BR>&gt; of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" 
warning. Usually <BR>&gt; somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature 
as Simon has pointed <BR>&gt; out just in recent examples.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This 
has been an interesting thread.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Jimmy Deguara<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; &gt;Cheers<BR>&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; 
&gt;Simon Angell<BR>&gt; &gt;Canberra, ACT<BR>&gt; &gt;&lt;</FONT><A 
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&gt;From: &lt;</FONT><A href="mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Simon"><FONT 
face=Arial size=2>mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au&gt;Simon</FONT></A><FONT 
face=Arial size=2> Angell<BR>&gt; &gt;To: &lt;</FONT><A 
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face=Arial 
size=2>mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com&gt;aussie-weather at world.std.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT 
face=Arial size=2>&gt; &gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM<BR>&gt; 
&gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt;Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on 
<BR>&gt; &gt;th 29-4-02 this time<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;TIME | SIZE | 
LOCATION&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
| COUNTY&nbsp; | STATE |&nbsp; LAT&nbsp; | LONG | <BR>&gt; &gt;COMMENTS<BR>&gt; 
&gt;0133&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 W WEATHERFORD&nbsp;&nbsp; 
PARKER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3276&nbsp;&nbsp; 
9789&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED <BR>&gt; &gt;BY<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;STORM 
SPOTTER.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt;0134&nbsp;&nbsp; 300&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 S <BR>&gt; 
&gt;BRIDGEPORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
3313&nbsp;&nbsp; 9776&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; 
&gt;STORM SPOTTER.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt;0153&nbsp;&nbsp; 450&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
DECATUR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
3323&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9760 <BR>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY HAM<BR>&gt; 
&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;RADIO OPERATOR.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75")<BR>&gt; &gt;Source 
--&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&lt;</FONT><A 
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&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</FONT><A 
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face=Arial size=2>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Cheers<BR>&gt; 
&gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt;Simon Angell<BR>&gt; 
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&gt;Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi 
Tom and John,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; From the type of storms 
they have over there I do not doubt the existence<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; of 
sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting 
though<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; that there could be at least some slight exaggeration 
in recording simply<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; by the rounding off of hailsize to the 
nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; there was significant hail 
sizes reported and therefore they do exist and<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; they are not so 
uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; common 
in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail 
swathe is a much<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; smaller probability but if we go by counties, 
then probabilities increase.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I also do not doubt that such 
giant hail events do occur in particular<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; areas of Australia - 
some are more prone than others. The area SW of <BR>&gt; &gt; Camden<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than 
other<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts 
of Sydney also <BR>&gt; &gt; seems<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; to have had more of the 
frequent hail events than say the region I live <BR>&gt; &gt; and<BR>&gt; &gt; 
&gt; surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect 
my<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone 
to such events<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; in my view based on the proximity to 
topographic effects such as the <BR>&gt; &gt; region<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; near 
Oakdale and just to the west.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; On a similar 
note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes 
than<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the 
epicentre). Well <BR>&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; tornado we got last year is 
officially recorded as F3 based on damage to<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; one building and 
2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway <BR>&gt; &gt; (the<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than 
<BR>&gt; &gt; this<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; simply by the shear size, structure and 
significant rotation of the collar<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; cloud. So this is only one 
suspect example of many in a relatively <BR>&gt; &gt; sparsely<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
populated area of the US.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Interesting 
discussion.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you 
wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hi Tom.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a <BR>&gt; 
&gt; report of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which 
caused $0 damage.&nbsp; Denver <BR>&gt; &gt; county<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is 
very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the 
famous<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Sydney hailstorm.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;But Jimmy provided this excellent link,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of 
<BR>&gt; &gt; 2.5"<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a 
ruler on my hand as compared to <BR>&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;photos.&nbsp; But there is no claim in this article made about the size 
of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to 
say if there <BR>&gt; &gt; is any<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;exaggeration or 
not.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I have witnessed hail of this 
size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;chasing), but 
would have to say that for any particular location (street)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Regards,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;John W.<BR>&gt; &gt; 
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01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I Just 
had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was <BR>&gt; &gt; 4.5inch 
hail<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might 
have <BR>&gt; &gt; been<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;properly verified, I don't know). 
But in my time in the USA I have <BR>&gt; &gt; noticed<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;a 
cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;understate many things, here in the USA people like to 
exaggerate&nbsp; - and<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 
inches was verified, I would have some<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;doubts.<BR>&gt; 
&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Cheers,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Tom<BR>&gt; 
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:28:42 +1200
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Hi,
That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you
shift a bit further east please.
I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with
thunder and hail today and
snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for
Invercargill.
Bye
Steven W
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:04 PM
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> Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially
> in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass
> Strait with an east coast low...?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain
>
>
> > At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >Good evening all hows life treating you.
> > >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and
> > >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday.
> >
> > Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here
> for
> > another week.  We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :)
> >
> > I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to
> > hang around for at least another week!!!
> >
> > The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are
also
> > trapping smog.  I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from
> > tomorrow. :)
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
> >
>
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At 09:28 PM 1/05/2002 +1200, you wrote:

>Hi,
>That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you
>shift a bit further east please.
>I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with
>thunder and hail today and
>snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for
>Invercargill.

I'd happily nudge it across if I could, it's trapping smog over here. :-(

And I like warm days with a northerly :)

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Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:46:09 +1000
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From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
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Hi Simon,<br><br>
Ok. So ask this person about the validity of the reports in the database
which initially started this thread. I don't doubt that these counties
including Australia don't get such giant hail events - after all Casino,
Kingslcliff and Sydney are recent examples. I would also add Bangladesh
into the equation with heat within the tropics and let's say sufficient
windshear being the main reason why such giant hail can exist there. But
the warmer temperatures should help in melting some of the hail so
perhaps it would occur more in the elevated regions?? I am still in the
process of studying the events there. I think David Croan would be in a
better position to discuss some of the literature regards severe weather
that is associated with the area.<br><br>
The database link is:<br><br>
<a href="http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms" eudora="autourl">http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms</a><br><br>
There are exceptional giant hail events of 5&quot; and greater. Have
these been verified? I think the Sydney hailstorm has now been accepted
as having produced the largest hailstones officially in Australia - 11 -
12cm. The 14cm hail report from Kempsey has been discounted because it
was not measured.<br><br>
Thanks.<br><br>
Jimmy Deguara<br><br>
At 07:13 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>His
Actual Comment...</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2><i>[16:11:16] &lt;StormSGF&gt; yes, 4.5&quot;
hail does exist<br>
[16:11:46] &lt;StormSGF&gt; infact, I'm surprised you asked that
Canberra-Wx because our studies have shown that parts of AU, China, and
India have bigger hail then we do</i></font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I assume he meant that we get bigger hail then
they get....</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Also, i was watching strom warning of the
discovery channel a little earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase
and got caught up in a hail storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1
to 2 inches, but the rear window got smashed then seconds later the front
got shattered, although it was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it
would have been 5&quot; hail that bounced off the bonnet and hit the
windscreen.. Toward the end of the story it showed a peice of giant hail
in a person hand and said &quot;this 3&quot; hail...&quot; to me however
it looked 2&quot; max as&nbsp; was smaller than the hand it was
on!!!!</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Cheers<br>
---------------------------------------<br>
Simon Angell<br>
Canberra, ACT<br>
<a href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</a></font><br>
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<font face="arial" size=2>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into
lake</font><br>
<font face="arial"><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>&gt; At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you
wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;Hi all<br>
&gt; &gt;I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5&quot; hail (he is a US
met)..<br>
&gt; &gt;he said that 4.5&quot; hail does exist and infact studies he has
been involved <br>
&gt; &gt;in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China,
and India...<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are
<br>
&gt; suggesting if &quot;larger&quot; hail has fallen in AU China and
India or you are <br>
&gt; referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events in these
countries. I <br>
&gt; suspect the latter. By the way, we call these exceptionaly giant
tile <br>
&gt; smashign hail as &quot;gorilla hail&quot;. I love it:)))))<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that
it is <br>
&gt; &gt;mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of
smailler <br>
&gt; &gt;reports which have 0.88 size.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of
4.5&quot; to report <br>
&gt; &gt;it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a
4.5&quot; <br>
&gt; &gt;stone that fell near a spotter....<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't
doubt <br>
&gt; any of these readings in particular based on the arguments in my
previous <br>
&gt; e-mails. I do of course know there can be some exaggeration.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Though I think most events that are able to produce the giant hail
event <br>
&gt; would not usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my
<br>
&gt; observations over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in
<br>
&gt; particular begin with the &quot;relatively&quot; smaller hail
(usually more isolated) <br>
&gt; but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature
stage <br>
&gt; and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop
less <br>
&gt; hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is such
an <br>
&gt; organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say supercells
in <br>
&gt; their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest giant hail
events but <br>
&gt; I would not take any risks. I am wondering (suspect) if
&quot;extremely&quot; high <br>
&gt; windshear situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic
<br>
&gt; supercells are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail
events.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not
doubt the <br>
&gt; extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting
warnings <br>
&gt; of hail to 2&quot;, 3&quot; and 4&quot; and like I said I have seen
5&quot; warning. Usually <br>
&gt; somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has
pointed <br>
&gt; out just in recent examples.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This has been an interesting thread.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Jimmy Deguara<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;Cheers<br>
&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;Simon Angell<br>
&gt; &gt;Canberra, ACT<br>
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Angell<br>
&gt; &gt;To:
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<font face="arial" size=2>&gt; &gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54
AM<br>
&gt; &gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was
reported on <br>
&gt; &gt;th 29-4-02 this time<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;TIME | SIZE |
LOCATION&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
| COUNTY&nbsp; | STATE |&nbsp; LAT&nbsp; | LONG | <br>
&gt; &gt;COMMENTS<br>
&gt; &gt;0133&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 W
WEATHERFORD&nbsp;&nbsp; PARKER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3276&nbsp;&nbsp;
9789&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED <br>
&gt; &gt;BY<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;STORM SPOTTER.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;(FTW)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;0134&nbsp;&nbsp; 300&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 S <br>
&gt; &gt;BRIDGEPORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3313&nbsp;&nbsp;
9776&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;STORM SPOTTER.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;(FTW)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;0153&nbsp;&nbsp; 450&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
DECATUR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3323&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9760 <br>
&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY HAM<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;RADIO OPERATOR.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt;(FTW)<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75&quot;)<br>
&gt; &gt;Source --&gt; <br>
&gt;
&gt;&lt;<a href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html&gt;http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html&gt;http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html</a>
<br>
&gt; &gt;OR<br>
&gt;
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html</a></font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;Cheers<br>
&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------<br>
&gt; &gt;Simon Angell<br>
&gt; &gt;Canberra, ACT<br>
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&gt; &gt;Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM<br>
&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Tom and John,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; From the type of storms they have over there I do
not doubt the existence<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring
several times each<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not
doubting though<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in
recording simply<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch.
But let's say<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore
they do exist and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since
supercells are more<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind
shear and high cape<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; conditions, then significant hail should occur more
regularly.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail
swathe is a much<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; smaller probability but if we go by counties, then
probabilities increase.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur
in particular<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The
area SW of <br>
&gt; &gt; Camden<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency
than other<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of
Sydney also <br>
&gt; &gt; seems<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the
region I live <br>
&gt; &gt; and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of
events to affect my<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone
to such events<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects
such as the <br>
&gt; &gt; region<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; near Oakdale and just to the west.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite
interested in<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about
storm chasers'<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of
tornadoes than<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the
epicentre). Well <br>
&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3
based on damage to<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4
lane highway <br>
&gt; &gt; (the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was
stronger than <br>
&gt; &gt; this<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; simply by the shear size, structure and significant
rotation of the collar<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a
relatively <br>
&gt; &gt; sparsely<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; populated area of the US.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Interesting discussion.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hi Tom.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;That I believe may be the case, and I had serious
doubts about a <br>
&gt; &gt; report of<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;4.5&quot; hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused
$0 damage.&nbsp; Denver <br>
&gt; &gt; county<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely
built up, so you<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;would expect hail that size to do significant damage,
as per the famous<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Sydney hailstorm.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;But Jimmy provided this excellent link,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt;<a href="http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm</a>
which shows some nice photos of <br>
&gt; &gt; 2.5&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and genuine 3&quot; hail, judged by using a ruler on
my hand as compared to <br>
&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;photos.&nbsp; But there is no claim in this article
made about the size of<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard
to say if there <br>
&gt; &gt; is any<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;exaggeration or not.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several
occasions (no storm<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;chasing), but would have to say that for any
particular location (street)<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year
event.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Regards,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;John W.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;snip<br>
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<font face="arial" size=2>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado
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&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the
24-4-02 there was <br>
&gt; &gt; 4.5inch hail<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and
they might have <br>
&gt; &gt; been<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in
the USA I have <br>
&gt; &gt; noticed<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;a cultural difference between here and Australia.
Whereas Aussies tend to<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;understate many things, here in the USA people like to
exaggerate&nbsp; - and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I
would have some<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;doubts.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Cheers,<br>
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FreeWX 20:00:08
T:+13.9C H:96% Bar:1019hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,060 Wavg:Calm,060
DP:+13.3C WC:+14C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+21.8C Hin:57%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
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Weather Conditions at 20:00:08 May  1

Temperature: +13.9 °C
Humidity: 96 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 060°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 060°
Barometer: 1019 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +13.3 °C
Wind Chill: +14 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +21.8 °C
Indoor Humidity: 57 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +13.5 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: + 00.4 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 74 meters. (245 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +13.9 °C at 20:00
Maximum Humidity: 96 % at 20:00
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 10:36
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +15.2 °C at 09:36
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 20:00
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +21.8 °C at 20:00


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +21.8 °C at 20:00





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Subject: aus-wx: WM-918 Barometer Readings
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With&nbsp;the barametric pressure on 
the&nbsp;WM-918 weather station, i've set the sea level pressure as listed at 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>got my reading from this link&nbsp; 
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<P>Hi Tony,</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No,&nbsp; to put it bluntly you won't want to be here either, Sydney is also going through a chronic stage&nbsp;of boring, calm, dry, dirty&nbsp;weather. Add a few more cars than in Melbourne, a few more people and that same bloody High and inversion layer and you have one very dirty situation, not a breath of wind either.&nbsp; I suggest perhaps a trip out&nbsp; Jimmy Deguaras way, i hear they have some severe fogs out there&nbsp;even the odd 'superfog'......</P>
<P>Regards.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(&nbsp;Ps).&nbsp; watch out for&nbsp; "THE CLOUD".&nbsp; !!!!!!</P>
<P>James...<BR>Brighton---Sydney</P>
<P>ASWA member</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <VK3JED-1 at OPTUSHOME.COM.AU>
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:36:36 +1000 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;Good evening all hows life treating you. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&gt;increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;here for 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;another week. We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;expected to 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;hang around for at least another week!!! 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;are also 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;trapping smog. I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;from 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;tomorrow. :) 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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HI James,<br><br>
We do get some impressive fogs and have had already several fogs this
autumn already. Though I doubt our fog compares with some of the colder
climates down south.<br><br>
Jimmy Deguara<br><br>
At 12:47 PM 1/5/2002 +0000, you wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Hi Tony,<br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No,&nbsp; to put it
bluntly you won't want to be here either, Sydney is also going through a
chronic stage of boring, calm, dry, dirty weather. Add a few more cars
than in Melbourne, a few more people and that same bloody High and
inversion layer and you have one very dirty situation, not a breath of
wind either.&nbsp; I suggest perhaps a trip out&nbsp; Jimmy Deguaras way,
i hear they have some severe fogs out there even the odd
'superfog'......<br><br>
Regards.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ( Ps).&nbsp; watch out for&nbsp;
&quot;THE CLOUD&quot;.&nbsp; !!!!!!<br><br>
James...<br>
Brighton---Sydney<br><br>
ASWA member<br>
&gt;From: &quot;Tony Langdon (VK3JED)&quot; <br>
&gt;Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <br>
&gt;To: aussie-weather at world.std.com <br>
&gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain <br>
&gt;Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:36:36 +1000 <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;Good evening all hows life treating you. <br>
&gt;&gt;from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and
<br>
&gt;&gt;increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday. <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked
<br>
&gt;here for <br>
&gt;another week. We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :) <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - <br>
&gt;expected to <br>
&gt;hang around for at least another week!!! <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio)
<br>
&gt;are also <br>
&gt;trapping smog. I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney
<br>
&gt;from <br>
&gt;tomorrow. :) <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt;73 de Tony, VK3JED <br>
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FreeWX 00:00:08
T:+14.1C H: 100% Bar:1019hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,103 Wavg:Calm,103
DP:+14.1C WC:+14C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+20.9C Hin:62%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
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Weather Conditions at 00:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +14.1 °C
Humidity:  100 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 103°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 103°
Barometer: 1019 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +14.1 °C
Wind Chill: +14 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +20.9 °C
Indoor Humidity: 62 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.1 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 00:00
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 23:51
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +15.2 °C at 09:36
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35





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Subject: aus-wx: What's a Tornado?
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Channel 10 seems to think that a tornado is a storm(not a part of a storm), 
that they happen at random(not connected to storms) and that a rating for a 
storm is F4!!!

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had replied earlier, but they havent seemed 
tohave come throus, so ill cut and paste it here</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I asked&nbsp;for verfication on&nbsp;his earlier 
comment and his response was.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>---------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>[19:15:50] &lt;StormSGF&gt; I guess I mean 
both...the number of events and the size of the hail. I've seen some data that 
suggests the hail in India/Mongolia/China is the largest in the 
world.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have asked him about the database, and just 
waiting for a response</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>---------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>His response to the validity is...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>[20:39:33] &lt;StormSGF&gt; the reports in that 
database (US) are very valid</EM></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A><BR>---------------------------------------<BR>This 
Email is virus free.<BR>Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002.<BR>Virus 
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=jdeguara at ihug.com.au href="mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au">Jimmy 
  Deguara</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:46 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps 
  family into lake</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Simon,<BR><BR>Ok. So ask this person about the validity of 
  the reports in the database which initially started this thread. I don't doubt 
  that these counties including Australia don't get such giant hail events - 
  after all Casino, Kingslcliff and Sydney are recent examples. I would also add 
  Bangladesh into the equation with heat within the tropics and let's say 
  sufficient windshear being the main reason why such giant hail can exist 
  there. But the warmer temperatures should help in melting some of the hail so 
  perhaps it would occur more in the elevated regions?? I am still in the 
  process of studying the events there. I think David Croan would be in a better 
  position to discuss some of the literature regards severe weather that is 
  associated with the area.<BR><BR>The database link is:<BR><BR><A 
  href="http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms" 
  eudora="autourl">http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms</A><BR><BR>There 
  are exceptional giant hail events of 5" and greater. Have these been verified? 
  I think the Sydney hailstorm has now been accepted as having produced the 
  largest hailstones officially in Australia - 11 - 12cm. The 14cm hail report 
  from Kempsey has been discounted because it was not 
  measured.<BR><BR>Thanks.<BR><BR>Jimmy Deguara<BR><BR>At 07:13 PM 1/5/2002 
  +1000, you wrote:<BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial size=2>His 
    Actual Comment...</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2><I>[16:11:16] 
    &lt;StormSGF&gt; yes, 4.5" hail does exist<BR>[16:11:46] &lt;StormSGF&gt; 
    infact, I'm surprised you asked that Canberra-Wx because our studies have 
    shown that parts of AU, China, and India have bigger hail then we 
    do</I></FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I assume he meant that we 
    get bigger hail then they get....</FONT><BR>&nbsp;<BR><FONT face=arial 
    size=2>Also, i was watching strom warning of the discovery channel a little 
    earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase and got caught up in a hail 
    storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1 to 2 inches, but the rear 
    window got smashed then seconds later the front got shattered, although it 
    was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it would have been 5" hail that 
    bounced off the bonnet and hit the windscreen.. Toward the end of the story 
    it showed a peice of giant hail in a person hand and said "this 3" hail..." 
    to me however it looked 2" max as&nbsp; was smaller than the hand it was 
    on!!!!</FONT><BR><BR><FONT face=arial 
    size=2>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
    Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>---------------------------------------<BR>This Email is 
    virus free.<BR>Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002.<BR>Virus definition 
    file 27-04-2002.<BR>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial 
    size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT><BR><FONT face=arial size=2>From: 
    "Jimmy Deguara" &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au">jdeguara at ihug.com.au</A>&gt;</FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>To: &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;</FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:32 PM</FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into 
    lake</FONT><BR><FONT face=arial><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial size=2>&gt; At 
    04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt;Hi all<BR>&gt; &gt;I asked 
    an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..<BR>&gt; &gt;he said that 
    4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved <BR>&gt; &gt;in 
    have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and 
    India...<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure 
    whether you are <BR>&gt; suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China 
    and India or you are <BR>&gt; referring generally to sunstantial giant hail 
    events in these countries. I <BR>&gt; suspect the latter. By the way, we 
    call these exceptionaly giant tile <BR>&gt; smashign hail as "gorilla hail". 
    I love it:)))))<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;As for the rounding to the 
    nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is <BR>&gt; &gt;mainly rounded to 
    the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler <BR>&gt; &gt;reports 
    which have 0.88 size.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;We also have to remember that 
    all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report <BR>&gt; &gt;it, so Avg size may 
    have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5" <BR>&gt; &gt;stone that 
    fell near a spotter....<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Thanks for the verification from 
    your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't doubt <BR>&gt; any of these readings in 
    particular based on the arguments in my previous <BR>&gt; e-mails. I do of 
    course know there can be some exaggeration.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Though I think 
    most events that are able to produce the giant hail event <BR>&gt; would not 
    usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my <BR>&gt; observations 
    over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in <BR>&gt; particular 
    begin with the "relatively" smaller hail (usually more isolated) <BR>&gt; 
    but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature stage 
    <BR>&gt; and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop 
    less <BR>&gt; hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is 
    such an <BR>&gt; organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say 
    supercells in <BR>&gt; their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest 
    giant hail events but <BR>&gt; I would not take any risks. I am wondering 
    (suspect) if "extremely" high <BR>&gt; windshear situations which are more 
    aligned to the classic tornadic <BR>&gt; supercells are less likely to 
    produce the extreme giant hail events.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Getting back to the 
    original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt the <BR>&gt; extent of 
    the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting warnings <BR>&gt; 
    of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" warning. Usually 
    <BR>&gt; somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has 
    pointed <BR>&gt; out just in recent examples.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This has been 
    an interesting thread.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Jimmy Deguara<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    <BR>&gt; &gt;Cheers<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt;Simon Angell<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;Canberra, ACT<BR>&gt; &gt;&lt;<A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com>www.canberra-wx.com">http://www.canberra-wx.com&gt;www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;This Email is virus free.<BR>&gt; &gt;Certified with Norton Antivirus 
    2002.<BR>&gt; &gt;Virus definition file 27-04-2002.<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>&gt; &gt;----- Original Message 
    -----<BR>&gt; &gt;From: &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Simon">mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au&gt;Simon</A> 
    Angell<BR>&gt; &gt;To: &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com">mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com&gt;aussie-weather at world.std.com</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>&gt; &gt;Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail 
    was reported on <BR>&gt; &gt;th 29-4-02 this time<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;TIME | SIZE | 
    LOCATION&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    | COUNTY&nbsp; | STATE |&nbsp; LAT&nbsp; | LONG | <BR>&gt; 
    &gt;COMMENTS<BR>&gt; &gt;0133&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 275&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 W 
    WEATHERFORD&nbsp;&nbsp; PARKER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3276&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    9789&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED <BR>&gt; &gt;BY<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; 
    &gt;STORM SPOTTER.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;0134&nbsp;&nbsp; 300&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 S <BR>&gt; 
    &gt;BRIDGEPORT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3313&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    9776&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;STORM 
    SPOTTER.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;0153&nbsp;&nbsp; 450&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    DECATUR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    WISE&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    TX&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3323&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9760 <BR>&gt; 
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; REPORTED BY HAM<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;RADIO 
    OPERATOR.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;(FTW)<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Hail 
    Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75")<BR>&gt; &gt;Source --&gt; <BR>&gt; 
    &gt;&lt;<A 
    href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html&gt;http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html</A> 
    <BR>&gt; &gt;OR<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
    <A 
    href="http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html">http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;Cheers<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; &gt;Simon Angell<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;Canberra, ACT<BR>&gt; &gt;&lt;<A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com>www.canberra-wx.com">http://www.canberra-wx.com&gt;www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>&gt; &gt;---------------------------------------<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;This Email is virus free.<BR>&gt; &gt;Certified with Norton Antivirus 
    2002.<BR>&gt; &gt;Virus definition file 27-04-2002.<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>&gt; &gt;----- Original Message 
    -----<BR>&gt; &gt;From: "Jimmy Deguara" &lt;&lt;<A 
    href="mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>jdeguara at ihug.com.au">mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au&gt;jdeguara at ihug.com.au</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;To: &lt;&lt;<A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com">mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com&gt;aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
    &gt;Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM<BR>&gt; &gt;Subject: RE: aus-wx: 
    Tornado sweeps family into lake<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Tom and John,<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;&nbsp; From the type of storms they have over 
    there I do not doubt the existence<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; of sigificant giant 
    hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting 
    though<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; that there could be at least some slight 
    exaggeration in recording simply<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; by the rounding off of 
    hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; there was 
    significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and<BR>&gt; &gt; 
    &gt; they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are 
    more<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; common in the US due to the higher frequencies of 
    wind shear and high cape<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; conditions, then significant hail 
    should occur more regularly.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Of course, 
    any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities 
    increase.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; I also do not doubt that such giant hail events 
    do occur in particular<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; areas of Australia - some are more 
    prone than others. The area SW of <BR>&gt; &gt; Camden<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney 
    also <BR>&gt; &gt; seems<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; to have had more of the frequent 
    hail events than say the region I live <BR>&gt; &gt; and<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect 
    my<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more 
    prone to such events<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; in my view based on the proximity to 
    topographic effects such as the <BR>&gt; &gt; region<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; near 
    Oakdale and just to the west.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; On a 
    similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm 
    chasers'<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher 
    density of tornadoes than<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; the statistical analyses suggest 
    (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well <BR>&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage 
    to<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 
    4 lane highway <BR>&gt; &gt; (the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; one we were travelling 
    on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than <BR>&gt; &gt; this<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of 
    the collar<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; cloud. So this is only one suspect example of 
    many in a relatively <BR>&gt; &gt; sparsely<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; populated area 
    of the US.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Interesting 
    discussion.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, 
    you wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hi Tom.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
    &gt; &gt;That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a 
    <BR>&gt; &gt; report of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;4.5" hail in Denver county 
    Colorado, which caused $0 damage.&nbsp; Denver <BR>&gt; &gt; county<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; &gt;is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built 
    up, so you<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;would expect hail that size to do 
    significant damage, as per the famous<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Sydney 
    hailstorm.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;But Jimmy provided 
    this excellent link,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<A 
    href="http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm" 
    eudora="autourl">http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm</A> which shows some 
    nice photos of <BR>&gt; &gt; 2.5"<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;and genuine 3" hail, 
    judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to <BR>&gt; &gt; the<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; &gt;photos.&nbsp; But there is no claim in this article made about 
    the size of<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;specific hailstones shown in the pics, so 
    it is hard to say if there <BR>&gt; &gt; is any<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt;exaggeration or not.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;I have 
    witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; &gt;chasing), but would have to say that for any particular 
    location (street)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;around Brisbane it would be an 
    approx 1 in 25 year event.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt;Regards,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;John W.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt;snip<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;-----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt;From: <BR>&gt; &gt; &lt;<A 
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    href="mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com" 
    eudora="autourl">mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com</A>]On Behalf 
    Of Tom Johnstone<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 
    AM<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;To: &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com">mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com&gt;aussie-weather at world.std.com</A></FONT><BR><FONT 
    face=arial size=2>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps 
    family into lake<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
    &gt; &gt;At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt; &gt;I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was 
    <BR>&gt; &gt; 4.5inch hail<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;reported, thats 
    11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Now I'm not saying that those 
    reports are untrue (and they might have <BR>&gt; &gt; been<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
    &gt;properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have 
    <BR>&gt; &gt; noticed<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;a cultural difference between 
    here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;understate 
    many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate&nbsp; - and<BR>&gt; 
    &gt; &gt; &gt;they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would 
    have some<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;doubts.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
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To: "aussie-weather at world.std.com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Weather Data 04:00:08 May  2
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 04:03:43 +1000
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FreeWX 04:00:08
T:+14.3C H: 100% Bar:1020hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,074 Wavg:Calm,074
DP:+14.3C WC:+14C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+20.8C Hin:64%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 04:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +14.3 °C
Humidity:  100 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 074°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 074°
Barometer: 1020 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +14.3 °C
Wind Chill: +14 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +20.8 °C
Indoor Humidity: 64 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.3 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 04:00
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 04:00
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +15.2 °C at 09:36
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35





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Subject: aus-wx: Weather Data 08:00:08 May  2
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FreeWX 08:00:08
T:+20.1C H:61% Bar:1022hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,027 Wavg:Calm,027
DP:+12.3C WC:+20C HIx:+24.5C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+23C Hin:61%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 08:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +20.1 °C
Humidity: 61 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 027°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 027°
Barometer: 1022 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +12.3 °C
Wind Chill: +20 °C
Heat Index: +24.5 °C
Indoor Temperature: +23 °C
Indoor Humidity: 61 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +15.6 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +4.5 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 975 meters. (3198 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:42
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 08:00
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.1 °C at 07:42
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 07:13


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 07:13





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From: michael_wright at optusnet.com.au
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: cold weather
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:03:33 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>all i can say is cold cold cold for the next three 
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: WM-918 Barometer Readings
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:16:15 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The standard reading is where you are, you can then 
press the down button to get sea level.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au 
  href="mailto:stargazer at picknowl.com.au">Stargazer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie-Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:09 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: WM-918 Barometer 
  Readings</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>With&nbsp;the barametric pressure on 
  the&nbsp;WM-918 weather station, i've set the sea level pressure as listed at 
  Adelaide airport (in this case 1026 hPa) but when mine goes back to normal 
  display it reads 1013 hPa. What am i reading here or have i done something 
  wrong?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>got my reading from this link&nbsp; <FONT 
  size=+0>&nbsp;&nbsp;<A 
  href="http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS65012.shtml">http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDS65012.shtml</A>&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 00:00:08 May  2
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:17:13 +1000
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Can anyone tell me, is it possible to get 100% humidity of the night time
with fog etc. or is the sensor stuffed?
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Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:03 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Weather Data 00:00:08 May 2


>
> FreeWX 00:00:08
> T:+14.1C H: 100% Bar:1019hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,103 Wavg:Calm,103
> DP:+14.1C WC:+14C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+20.9C Hin:62%
>
> ****************************************************
>
> Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
> ****************************************************
> Weather Conditions at 00:00:08 May  2
>
> Temperature: +14.1 °C
> Humidity:  100 %
> Wind Speed (gust): Calm
> Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
> Wind Direction: 103°
> Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 103°
> Barometer: 1019 hPa and Steady
> Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
> Dew Point: +14.1 °C
> Wind Chill: +14 °C
> Heat Index: n.a.
> Indoor Temperature: +20.9 °C
> Indoor Humidity: 62 %
> Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.1 °C
> Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
> Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)
>
>
> Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
>
> Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
> Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
> Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 00:00
> Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
> Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
> Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 23:51
> Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
> Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
> Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
> Maximum Dew Point: +15.2 °C at 09:36
> Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
> Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
> Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
> Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
> Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35
>
>
> Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
>
> Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
> Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
> Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
> Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
> Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
> Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
> Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
> Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
> Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
> Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
> Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
> Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
> Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
> Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
> Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35
>
>
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Monthly Weather at Gilmore A.C.T. Canberra
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:49:09 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IHi all, Hope this doesn't bounce around like the 
last time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Canberra Weather</STRONG> very dry and 
stable in April. Rainfall was only 17.4 mm on 4 days (average 52mm) Mean Temp 
for month 14.8 deg.(above the mean (13.3 deg.)&nbsp;Mean Max 21.4 (av. 19.7 
deg.) Mean Min.8.2 deg (Av. 6.6 deg) Warmest day 25.5 deg 1402 13th coldest day 
14.3 deg 1354 14th! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>coldest morning 2.9 deg at 0635 6th. warmest nigt 
12.1 deg on the 18th .A very quiet month , nothing in sig wx for whole month 
Highest wind gust SW 53 km/hr 1742 21st. Unlike the Airport we did not record a 
record Max on Anzac Day.We started recording in Canberra in 1981, present site 
in 1991.</FONT></DIV>
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The whole media is dumb!!!  Not just channel 10.


I think we need to hold a "WHAT IS A TORNADO?" seminar, and force all media 
persons to attend it.

The penalty for not attending should be getting struck by a monster multi 
pulse CG, then being hit by baseball sized hail, then meet a REAL F5 
tornado.   Either way, they'll learn!



Lol


Liam


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From: "nandina morris" <nandina at alphalink.com.au>
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Maybe if we all gathered together on the east coat, with an oar, and of the
count of 3 ......shove!  Huh :-)

Cheers,

Nandina
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> At 09:28 PM 1/05/2002 +1200, you wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you
> >shift a bit further east please.
> >I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst
with
> >thunder and hail today and
> >snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for
> >Invercargill.
>
> I'd happily nudge it across if I could, it's trapping smog over here. :-(
>
> And I like warm days with a northerly :)
>
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FreeWX 12:00:08
T:+24.1C H:38% Bar:1022hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,207 Wavg:Calm,215
DP:+8.9C WC:+24C HIx:+24.7C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+26.4C Hin:42%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 12:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +24.1 °C
Humidity: 38 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 207°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 215°
Barometer: 1022 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +8.9 °C
Wind Chill: +24 °C
Heat Index: +24.7 °C
Indoor Temperature: +26.4 °C
Indoor Humidity: 42 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +16 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +8.1 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 1900 meters. (6232 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 10:44
Minimum Temperature: +20.5 °C at 11:00
Maximum Humidity: 59 % at 10:13
Minimum Humidity: 35 % at 11:12
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.1 KT, 150° at 11:25
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 12:00
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 12:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +13 °C at 10:13
Minimum Dew Point: +7.4 °C at 11:36
Minimum Wind Chill: +19 °C at 10:59
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 11:42
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C at 09:01


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:42
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.1 °C at 07:42
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 11:42
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C at 09:01





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From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Humidity of 100% is actually quite common here.  
When it happens, fog will form outdoors or indoors almost instantly and 
water condenses all over the walls and ceilings indoors.  If it continues 
for too long, condensed water drips from the ceiling so it seems to be 
raining indoors!
Most people here have to buy dehumidifiers for each room in their home.
Outdoors, when the humidity is 100%, everything constantly drips and the 
ladies all complain that their washing will never dry.

Phil
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> Can anyone tell me, is it possible to get 100% humidity of the night
> time
> with fog etc. or is the sensor stuffed?
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> >
> > FreeWX 00:00:08
> > T:+14.1C H: 100% Bar:1019hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,103 Wavg:Calm,103
> > DP:+14.1C WC:+14C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+20.9C Hin:62%
> >
> > ****************************************************
> >
> > Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
> > ****************************************************
> > Weather Conditions at 00:00:08 May  2
> >
> > Temperature: +14.1 °C
> > Humidity:  100 %
> > Wind Speed (gust): Calm
> > Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
> > Wind Direction: 103°
> > Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 103°
> > Barometer: 1019 hPa and Steady
> > Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
> > Dew Point: +14.1 °C
> > Wind Chill: +14 °C
> > Heat Index: n.a.
> > Indoor Temperature: +20.9 °C
> > Indoor Humidity: 62 %
> > Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.1 °C
> > Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
> > Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)
> >
> >
> > Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
> >
> > Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
> > Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
> > Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 00:00
> > Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
> > Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
> > Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 23:51
> > Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
> > Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
> > Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
> > Maximum Dew Point: +15.2 °C at 09:36
> > Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
> > Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
> > Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
> > Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
> > Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35
> >
> >
> > Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
> >
> > Maximum Temperature: +25.2 °C at 10:44
> > Minimum Temperature: +7.9 °C at 06:13
> > Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 08:24
> > Minimum Humidity: 37 % at 13:50
> > Maximum Wind (gust): 8.5 KT, 48° at 13:03
> > Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 11:21
> > Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
> > Maximum Rainfall Rate: 1 mm/hour at 09:00
> > Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 4 mm
> > Maximum Dew Point: +19.5 °C at 08:24
> > Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 13:50
> > Minimum Wind Chill: +8 °C at 06:45
> > Maximum Heat Index: +25.6 °C at 10:45
> > Maximum Indoor Temperature: +25.5 °C at 14:25
> > Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.7 °C at 23:35
> >
> >
> >
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not here.. sunny &amp; 25c today &amp; 26c then 
till Sunday..</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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DSE = Dick Smith Electronics

www.dse.com.au  but their web site is offline at the moment - "closed for
maintenance" the site says :(

Advanced Home Weather Station
Model : WM-918
Cat No. D3960
$398rrp. On sale this month (May) starting this Thursday 2/5/02 for $298
(well, here in Adelaide anyway but should be nationally) but i don't know
how long the sale goes for - a week?

Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)

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> Paul
>
> I have been after a good weather station for a while. Is this one
advertised
> on the net? What's the DSE?
>
> Peter T
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Here too...
"Fine and Hot" is forecast for the next five days:
FRI 25-30C 70-90%
SAT 25-30C 70-90%
SUN 25-29C 75-95%
MON 25-30C 70-90%
TUE 25-30C 70-90%

Put on the air-con and go to sleep is the best way I can think of to deal 
with that.  Trouble is, I have to go to work!

Phil
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> Not here.. sunny & 25c today & 26c then till Sunday..
> 
> Regs, Paul. 
> (Stargazer)
> 
> Adelaide, SA
> 
> ps. Need a good electrical thunder storm to roll through :)
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>   all i can say is cold cold cold for the next three days
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> 
> Here too...
> "Fine and Hot" is forecast for the next five days:
> FRI 25-30C 70-90%
> SAT 25-30C 70-90%
> SUN 25-29C 75-95%
> MON 25-30C 70-90%
> TUE 25-30C 70-90%
> 
> Put on the air-con and go to sleep is the best way I can think of to deal 
> with that.  Trouble is, I have to go to work!
> 

I once went for a 40-minute run in Hong Kong in August and finished it
3kg lighter than I started....

Blair
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FreeWX 16:00:08
T:+20.3C H:49% Bar:1020hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,128 Wavg:Calm,151
DP:+9.2C WC:+20C HIx:+24.2C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.7C Hin:43%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
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Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +20.3 °C
Humidity: 49 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 128°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 151°
Barometer: 1020 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +9.2 °C
Wind Chill: +20 °C
Heat Index: +24.2 °C
Indoor Temperature: +25.7 °C
Indoor Humidity: 43 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.3 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +6 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 1387 meters. (4551 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +20.2 °C at 15:58
Maximum Humidity: 59 % at 10:13
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 12:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 16:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +13 °C at 10:13
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +19 °C at 15:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27.3 °C at 13:43
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.7 °C at 16:00


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:42
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.1 °C at 07:42
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27.3 °C at 13:43
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.7 °C at 16:00





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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><BR>The Annual rain for summer 
2002</DIV>
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<DIV>Year&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jan&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Feb&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Mar&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Apr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>2002&nbsp;&nbsp; 
62.2&nbsp;&nbsp; 67.2&nbsp;&nbsp; 95.4&nbsp;&nbsp; 89.2</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All up total 314 mm of rain</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Blair,

Well my advice to you is not to run next time:)))

Yes those parts of Asia area extremely humid and I suppose Darwin is as well.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:08 PM 2/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > Here too...
> > "Fine and Hot" is forecast for the next five days:
> > FRI 25-30C 70-90%
> > SAT 25-30C 70-90%
> > SUN 25-29C 75-95%
> > MON 25-30C 70-90%
> > TUE 25-30C 70-90%
> >
> > Put on the air-con and go to sleep is the best way I can think of to deal
> > with that.  Trouble is, I have to go to work!
> >
>
>I once went for a 40-minute run in Hong Kong in August and finished it
>3kg lighter than I started....
>
>Blair
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<snip>
>  On sale this month (May) starting this Thursday 2/5/02 for $298
> (well, here in Adelaide anyway but should be nationally) but i don't know
> how long the sale goes for - a week?
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Sale ends Wednesday 29/5/02

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FreeWX 20:00:08
T:+15.5C H:93% Bar:1022hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,070 Wavg:Calm,070
DP:+14.4C WC:+16C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+23.2C Hin:55%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 20:00:08 May  2

Temperature: +15.5 °C
Humidity: 93 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 070°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 070°
Barometer: 1022 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +14.4 °C
Wind Chill: +16 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +23.2 °C
Indoor Humidity: 55 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.8 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: + 00.7 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 137 meters. (450 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +15.5 °C at 20:00
Maximum Humidity: 93 % at 20:00
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 20:00
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +14.4 °C at 20:00
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +16 °C at 20:00
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27.3 °C at 13:43
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +23.2 °C at 20:00


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +25.9 °C at 11:15
Minimum Temperature: +12.9 °C at 21:43
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:42
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 15:17
Maximum Wind (gust): 6.9 KT, 14° at 15:39
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:36
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +19.1 °C at 07:42
Minimum Dew Point: +5.5 °C at 15:25
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 23:04
Maximum Heat Index: +26 °C at 11:15
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27.3 °C at 13:43
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +23.2 °C at 20:00





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That could be hard. i mean it is blowing so heard i have to tie my self down
i on the 3th floor lol
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> Hi,
> That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you
> shift a bit further east please.
> I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with
> thunder and hail today and
> snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for
> Invercargill.
> Bye
> Steven W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:04 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain
>
>
> > Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ
especially
> > in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass
> > Strait with an east coast low...?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain
> >
> >
> > > At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Good evening all hows life treating you.
> > > >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and
> > > >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday.
> > >
> > > Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked
here
> > for
> > > another week.  We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :)
> > >
> > > I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected
to
> > > hang around for at least another week!!!
> > >
> > > The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are
> also
> > > trapping smog.  I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from
> > > tomorrow. :)
> > >
> > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
> > >
> >
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Don't you no what a tronado is damm i fort i was nut
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> Channel 10 seems to think that a tornado is a storm(not a part of a
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> that they happen at random(not connected to storms) and that a rating for
a
> storm is F4!!!
>
> David
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sunshine coast Maroochydore were its still wet and 
cold i'm on the 3th floor and the wind man it's blowin like madness out there 
time is 9:05 pm and temps out side 21.1 drgs.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Michael</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Where abouts are you?</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Plot v2.0
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Hey All.

Doing some general browsing lately, and I ran across this program on the SPC site.

The program is called SeverePlot v2.0 and it is a graphical database of severe thunderstorm and tornado occurrences in the United
States. Datafiles are available from 1950 - 1998, with annual updates expected around May of each year. They have just released a
update which now includes reports for 2000 as well (Hopefully another update will be out soon).

It's a 8.4mb file (Which takes a bit to download on my 56kbps dial-up), but it's quite interesting...a definite for those interested
in past  severe weather. (Jimmy...you HAVE to have a look at this)

You can download it from the following:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/software/svrplot2/

The update is also linked to the page.

PaulY

Paul Yole
Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA
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From: "Max King" <mnk at dingoblue.net.au>
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Good onya Liam!

That's the spirit!!!!!!

My sentiments precisely.

Max

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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Liam
Domanski
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The whole media is dumb!!!  Not just channel 10.


I think we need to hold a "WHAT IS A TORNADO?" seminar, and force all
media 
persons to attend it.

The penalty for not attending should be getting struck by a monster
multi 
pulse CG, then being hit by baseball sized hail, then meet a REAL F5 
tornado.   Either way, they'll learn!



Lol


Liam


>From: David Findlay <david at davsoft.com.au>
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>that they happen at random(not connected to storms) and that a rating
for a
>storm is F4!!!
>
>David
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Hey guys,

Check this out for hail:)

http://www.cyclonejim.com/index.htm  the main page

http://www.cyclonejim.com/jimvideoclipindex.htm  check out the small videos 
including the hail

Jimmy Deguara


At 01:58 AM 2/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>I had replied earlier, but they havent seemed tohave come throus, so ill 
>cut and paste it here
>
>I asked for verfication on his earlier comment and his response was.
>---------------------------------------
>[19:15:50] <StormSGF> I guess I mean both...the number of events and the 
>size of the hail. I've seen some data that suggests the hail in 
>India/Mongolia/China is the largest in the world.
>
>I have asked him about the database, and just waiting for a response
>
>---------------------------------
>His response to the validity is...
>[20:39:33] <StormSGF> the reports in that database (US) are very valid
>
>Cheers
>---------------------------------------
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>Canberra, ACT
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>From: <mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>Jimmy Deguara
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:46 PM
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>Hi Simon,
>
>Ok. So ask this person about the validity of the reports in the database 
>which initially started this thread. I don't doubt that these counties 
>including Australia don't get such giant hail events - after all Casino, 
>Kingslcliff and Sydney are recent examples. I would also add Bangladesh 
>into the equation with heat within the tropics and let's say sufficient 
>windshear being the main reason why such giant hail can exist there. But 
>the warmer temperatures should help in melting some of the hail so perhaps 
>it would occur more in the elevated regions?? I am still in the process of 
>studying the events there. I think David Croan would be in a better 
>position to discuss some of the literature regards severe weather that is 
>associated with the area.
>
>The database link is:
>
>http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms
>
>There are exceptional giant hail events of 5" and greater. Have these been 
>verified? I think the Sydney hailstorm has now been accepted as having 
>produced the largest hailstones officially in Australia - 11 - 12cm. The 
>14cm hail report from Kempsey has been discounted because it was not measured.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 07:13 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>>His Actual Comment...
>>[16:11:16] <StormSGF> yes, 4.5" hail does exist
>>[16:11:46] <StormSGF> infact, I'm surprised you asked that Canberra-Wx 
>>because our studies have shown that parts of AU, China, and India have 
>>bigger hail then we do
>>
>>I assume he meant that we get bigger hail then they get....
>>
>>Also, i was watching strom warning of the discovery channel a little 
>>earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase and got caught up in a 
>>hail storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1 to 2 inches, but the 
>>rear window got smashed then seconds later the front got shattered, 
>>although it was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it would have 
>>been 5" hail that bounced off the bonnet and hit the windscreen.. Toward 
>>the end of the story it showed a peice of giant hail in a person hand and 
>>said "this 3" hail..." to me however it looked 2" max as  was smaller 
>>than the hand it was on!!!!
>>Cheers
>>---------------------------------------
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>>Canberra, ACT
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>>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
>> > At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>> > >Hi all
>> > >I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..
>> > >he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been 
>> involved
>> > >in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and 
>> India...
>> >
>> > Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are
>> > suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and India or you are
>> > referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events in these 
>> countries. I
>> > suspect the latter. By the way, we call these exceptionaly giant tile
>> > smashign hail as "gorilla hail". I love it:)))))
>> >
>> > >
>> > >As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is
>> > >mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler
>> > >reports which have 0.88 size.
>> > >
>> > >We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report
>> > >it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5"
>> > >stone that fell near a spotter....
>> >
>> > Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't doubt
>> > any of these readings in particular based on the arguments in my previous
>> > e-mails. I do of course know there can be some exaggeration.
>> >
>> > Though I think most events that are able to produce the giant hail event
>> > would not usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my
>> > observations over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in
>> > particular begin with the "relatively" smaller hail (usually more 
>> isolated)
>> > but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature stage
>> > and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop less
>> > hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is such an
>> > organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say supercells in
>> > their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest giant hail 
>> events but
>> > I would not take any risks. I am wondering (suspect) if "extremely" high
>> > windshear situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic
>> > supercells are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail events.
>> >
>> > Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt 
>> the
>> > extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting 
>> warnings
>> > of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" warning. Usually
>> > somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has 
>> pointed
>> > out just in recent examples.
>> >
>> > This has been an interesting thread.
>> >
>> > Jimmy Deguara
>> >
>> >
>> > >Cheers
>> > >---------------------------------------
>> > >Simon Angell
>> > >Canberra, ACT
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>> > >From: 
>> <<mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Simon>mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Sim 
>> on Angell
>> > >To: 
>> <<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>>
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM
>> > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
>> > >
>> > >Having a look  at  SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was 
>> reported on
>> > >th 29-4-02 this time
>> > >
>> > >TIME | SIZE | LOCATION                 | COUNTY  | STATE |  LAT  | 
>> LONG |
>> > >COMMENTS
>> > >0133    275   5 W 
>> WEATHERFORD   PARKER    TX       3276   9789    REPORTED
>> > >BY
>> > >
>> > >STORM SPOTTER.
>> > >
>> > >(FTW)
>> > >
>> > >0134   300    5 S
>> > >BRIDGEPORT          WISE       TX       3313   9776    REPORTED BY
>> > >
>> > >STORM SPOTTER.
>> > >
>> > >(FTW)
>> > >
>> > >0153   450        DECATUR                 WISE        TX      3323 
>> 9760
>> > >   REPORTED BY HAM
>> > >
>> > >RADIO OPERATOR.
>> > >
>> > >(FTW)
>> > >
>> > >Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75")
>> > >Source -->
>> > ><<http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc. 
>> noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html 
>>
>> > >OR
>> > > 
>> <http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html 
>>
>> > >
>> > >Cheers
>> > >---------------------------------------
>> > >Simon Angell
>> > >Canberra, ACT
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>> > >From: "Jimmy Deguara" 
>> <<<mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>jdeguara at ihug.com.au>mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>jdeguara at ihug.com.au> 
>>
>> > >To: 
>> <<<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com> 
>>
>> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM
>> > >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
>> > > > Hi Tom and John,
>> > > >
>> > > >  From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the 
>> existence
>> > > > of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several 
>> times each
>> > > > season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting 
>> though
>> > > > that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording 
>> simply
>> > > > by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's 
>> say
>> > > > there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do 
>> exist and
>> > > > they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more
>> > > > common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and 
>> high cape
>> > > > conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much
>> > > > smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities 
>> increase.
>> > > > I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in 
>> particular
>> > > > areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of
>> > > Camden
>> > > > near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other
>> > > > surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also
>> > > seems
>> > > > to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I 
>> live
>> > > and
>> > > > surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to 
>> affect my
>> > > > area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such 
>> events
>> > > > in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the
>> > > region
>> > > > near Oakdale and just to the west.
>> > > >
>> > > > On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite 
>> interested in
>> > > > reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'
>> > > > beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of 
>> tornadoes than
>> > > > the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). 
>> Well
>> > > the
>> > > > tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on 
>> damage to
>> > > > one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane 
>> highway
>> > > (the
>> > > > one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger 
>> than
>> > > this
>> > > > simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of 
>> the collar
>> > > > cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively
>> > > sparsely
>> > > > populated area of the US.
>> > > >
>> > > > Interesting discussion.
>> > > >
>> > > > At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>> > > > >Hi Tom.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a
>> > > report of
>> > > > >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage.  Denver
>> > > county
>> > > > >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, 
>> so you
>> > > > >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the 
>> famous
>> > > > >Sydney hailstorm.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >But Jimmy provided this excellent link,
>> > > > >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice 
>> photos of
>> > > 2.5"
>> > > > >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as 
>> compared to
>> > > the
>> > > > >photos.  But there is no claim in this article made about the 
>> size of
>> > > > >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there
>> > > is any
>> > > > >exaggeration or not.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions 
>> (no storm
>> > > > >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location 
>> (street)
>> > > > >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Regards,
>> > > > >John W.
>> > > > > >snip
>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >From:
>> > > 
>> <<mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com 
>>
>> > >
>> > > > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Johnstone
>> > > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM
>> > > > >To: 
>> <<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com 
>>
>> > > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:
>> > > > > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was
>> > > 4.5inch hail
>> > > > > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> > > > >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might 
>> have
>> > > been
>> > > > >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have
>> > > noticed
>> > > > >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies 
>> tend to
>> > > > >understate many things, here in the USA people like to 
>> exaggerate  - and
>> > > > >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have 
>> some
>> > > > >doubts.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Cheers,
>> > > > >Tom
>> > > > >
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>> > > > Jimmy Deguara
>> > > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>> > > >
>> > > > from
>> > > > Schofields, Sydney
>> > > > NSW Australia
>> > > >
>> > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
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>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
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>
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from
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NSW Australia

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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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It's hang onto your hats time!!!

Issued by the MetService in New Zealand.....

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
ISSUED BY MetService AT 8:33 am 03-May-2002
{MEDIA}
MORE SEVERE GALES FORECAST FOR THE SOUTH
Very strong and gusty west to southwesterly winds have been affecting parts
of eastern Otago, Southland and Stewart Island this morning. MetService is
expecting these winds to have eased in most places by midday, but is warning
of another period of blustery westerlies in these areas again tomorrow
(Saturday). West to southwesterly winds have been gusting up to 130 km/h in
some places this morning, and similar wind gusts are forecast tomorrow,
especially about coastal parts of Otago and Southland from Otago Peninsula
southwards. Forecasters warn that winds of this strength can cause damage to
trees, small buildings and lift loose roofing materials, as well provide
difficult driving conditions to trucks, caravans and other motorists.


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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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I'm receiving some nice steady rain at my place at the moment between
Chatswood West & North Ryde on the Lane Cove River.
The Rain Guage only measures 1mm at the moment but hompefully the rain keeps
up, the garden needs it!

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Hey all

I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are experiencing
now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm not going
to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!

However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest time one
of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are going
to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months??? (surely
not?).

Anyone?

Phil


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It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving me nuts
Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it Historically
recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south east winds
in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing the
sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you


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> Hey all
>
> I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are experiencing
> now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm not
going
> to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
>
> However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest time one
> of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are going
> to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months??? (surely
> not?).
>
> Anyone?
>
> Phil
>
>
> Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at  www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
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FreeWX 12:00:08
T:+21.4C H:46% Bar:1022hPa,Steady Wgst:5.1KT,002 Wavg:3.9KT,019
DP:+9.3C WC:+20C HIx:+24.2C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+27.9C Hin:40%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 12:00:08 May  3

Temperature: +21.4 °C
Humidity: 46 %
Wind Speed (gust): 5.1 KT
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): 3.9 KT
Wind Direction: 002°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 019°
Barometer: 1022 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +9.3 °C
Wind Chill: +20 °C
Heat Index: +24.2 °C
Indoor Temperature: +27.9 °C
Indoor Humidity: 40 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.9 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +6.5 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 1512 meters. (4960 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +21.4 °C at 12:00
Maximum Humidity: 62 % at 09:09
Minimum Humidity: 34 % at 11:28
Maximum Wind (gust): 7.7 KT, 24° at 11:29
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1022 hPa at 12:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +7.3 °C at 11:28
Minimum Wind Chill: +20 °C at 12:00
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.1 °C at 09:01


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.1 °C at 09:01





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Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 13:38:10 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: NZ winds
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Chain yourself to the earth it seems Jane!<BR>
<BR>
O_O<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<B>From: </B>&quot;Jane ONeill&quot; &lt;cadence at stormchasers.au.com&gt;<BR>
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<B>Date: </B>Fri, 3 May 2002 09:10:03 +1000<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>It's hang onto your hats time!!!<BR>
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Issued by the MetService in New Zealand.....<BR>
<BR>
SEVERE WEATHER WARNING<BR>
ISSUED BY MetService AT 8:33 am 03-May-2002<BR>
{MEDIA}<BR>
MORE SEVERE GALES FORECAST FOR THE SOUTH<BR>
Very strong and gusty west to southwesterly winds have been affecting parts<BR>
of eastern Otago, Southland and Stewart Island this morning. MetService is<BR>
expecting these winds to have eased in most places by midday, but is warning<BR>
of another period of blustery westerlies in these areas again tomorrow<BR>
(Saturday). West to southwesterly winds have been gusting up to 130 km/h in<BR>
some places this morning, and similar wind gusts are forecast tomorrow,<BR>
especially about coastal parts of Otago and Southland from Otago Peninsula<BR>
southwards. Forecasters warn that winds of this strength can cause damage to<BR>
trees, small buildings and lift loose roofing materials, as well provide<BR>
difficult driving conditions to trucks, caravans and other motorists.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Jane<BR>
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Melbourne Storm Chasers<BR>
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ASWA - Victoria<BR>
http://www.severeweather.asn.au<BR>
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FreeWX 16:00:08
T:+20.7C H:48% Bar:1020hPa,Steady Wgst:2.8KT,054 Wavg:Calm,045
DP:+9.3C WC:+21C HIx:+24.2C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.7C Hin:42%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  3

Temperature: +20.7 °C
Humidity: 48 %
Wind Speed (gust): 2.8 KT
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 054°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 045°
Barometer: 1020 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +9.3 °C
Wind Chill: +21 °C
Heat Index: +24.2 °C
Indoor Temperature: +25.7 °C
Indoor Humidity: 42 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.6 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +6.1 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 1424 meters. (4673 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +19.8 °C at 15:30
Maximum Humidity: 62 % at 09:09
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 16:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +19 °C at 15:54
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.1 °C at 09:01


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +25.1 °C at 09:01





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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
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This might be why.

http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp


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> It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving me
nuts
> Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
Historically
> recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south east
winds
> in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing the
> sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > Hey all
> >
> > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
experiencing
> > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm not
> going
> > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> >
> > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest time
one
> > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are
going
> > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months??? (surely
> > not?).
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au: Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at  www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
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> >
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From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
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Keith

That's a great synoptic shot.

It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break down
phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.

Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down there or
what ?????

Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole set
up.

I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with some
fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push around
the system to the south.

Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.

Regards
Simon

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> This might be why.
>
> http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving me
> nuts
> > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> Historically
> > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south east
> winds
> > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing the
> > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > Hey all
> > >
> > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> experiencing
> > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm not
> > going
> > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > >
> > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest time
> one
> > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are
> going
> > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
(surely
> > > not?).
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > >
> > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > >
> > >
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From: michael_wright at optusnet.com.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:33:08 +1000
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Keith i guess thats why we are getting a lot of rain here
that was a great shot chart.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> Keith
>
> That's a great synoptic shot.
>
> It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break down
> phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
>
> Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down there or
> what ?????
>
> Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole set
> up.
>
> I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with some
> fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push around
> the system to the south.
>
> Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > This might be why.
> >
> > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving me
> > nuts
> > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > Historically
> > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south east
> > winds
> > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing the
> > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey all
> > > >
> > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > experiencing
> > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm
not
> > > going
> > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > >
> > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
time
> > one
> > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are
> > going
> > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> (surely
> > > > not?).
> > > >
> > > > Anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:38:21 +1000
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Yes. There is a further intense depression south of the Falkland Islands and
there appears to be some scope for the low south of the other blocking high
to get a wriggle on and probably catch up with or be absorbed by that
depression. This might all free up the traffic jam over NSW. I can recall
occasions when prolonged spells of light winds in Sydney were followed by
outbreaks of windy weather and a sizeable drop in the daily pressure
readings, as if a statistical correction is taking place. So we shouldn't be
surprised if winter arrives in the next 10 days, just like the last 2 years
in May only a week or two earlier.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> Keith
>
> That's a great synoptic shot.
>
> It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break down
> phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
>
> Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down there or
> what ?????
>
> Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole set
> up.
>
> I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with some
> fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push around
> the system to the south.
>
> Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > This might be why.
> >
> > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving me
> > nuts
> > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > Historically
> > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south east
> > winds
> > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing the
> > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey all
> > > >
> > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > experiencing
> > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm
not
> > > going
> > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > >
> > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
time
> > one
> > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we are
> > going
> > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> (surely
> > > > not?).
> > > >
> > > > Anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > > >
> > > >
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:46:02 +1000
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Yes Michael, all with the help of that upper trough that spawned a few Cbs
off Sydney this morning. The maps by the way are from the NZ weather bureau
site.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> Keith i guess thats why we are getting a lot of rain here
> that was a great shot chart.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > Keith
> >
> > That's a great synoptic shot.
> >
> > It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break
down
> > phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
> >
> > Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down there
or
> > what ?????
> >
> > Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole
set
> > up.
> >
> > I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with
some
> > fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push
around
> > the system to the south.
> >
> > Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
> >
> > Regards
> > Simon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > This might be why.
> > >
> > > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving
me
> > > nuts
> > > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > > Historically
> > > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south
east
> > > winds
> > > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing
the
> > > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > > experiencing
> > > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm
> not
> > > > going
> > > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > > >
> > > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
> time
> > > one
> > > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we
are
> > > going
> > > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> > (surely
> > > > > not?).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> > www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > > > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Subject: aus-wx: Weather Data 20:00:08 May  3
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FreeWX 20:00:08
T:+15.1C H:97% Bar:1022hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,168 Wavg:Calm,168
DP:+14.6C WC:+15C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+21.9C Hin:62%

****************************************************

Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 20:00:08 May  3

Temperature: +15.1 °C
Humidity: 97 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 168°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 168°
Barometer: 1022 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +14.6 °C
Wind Chill: +15 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +21.9 °C
Indoor Humidity: 62 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14.8 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: + 00.3 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 62 meters. (205 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +14.1 °C at 18:54
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 19:59
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 16:51
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 18:59
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +21.8 °C at 19:36


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +21.8 °C at 19:36





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<x-flowed>
At 12:47 PM 1/05/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi Tony,
>
>          No,  to put it bluntly you won't want to be here either, Sydney 
> is also going through a chronic stage of boring, calm, dry, dirty 
> weather. Add a few more cars than in Melbourne, a few more people and 
> that same bloody High and inversion layer and you have one very dirty 
> situation, not a breath of wind either.  I suggest perhaps a trip 
> out  Jimmy Deguaras way, i hear they have some severe fogs out there even 
> the odd 'superfog'......

Well, I've just returned from Sydney, and conditions were somewhat more 
pleasant than that.  A very slight breeze (more of a breeze today, even the 
odd shower in the mountains).  It is worth noting that when I left 
Melbourne yesterday morning, the inversion layer was clearly visible from 
the air.  The low cloud like like it had been run over by a steamroller - 
there was literally nothing sticking up above that (very low) cap.  Sydney 
had some small, puffy Cu to greet me on arrival.  Got to see a few close 
up, and flew through one or two.   The upper side of the cloud layer was a 
_lot_ more irregular than the "ironed flat" cloud of Melbourne. :-)

>Regards.     ( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!

Him and a lot of his mates were hanging around a lot in Sydney. ;-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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At 11:52 AM 2/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Maybe if we all gathered together on the east coat, with an oar, and of the
>count of 3 ......shove!  Huh :-)

Hmm, since it's an air mass, perhaps we should all point our fans eastwards 
and blow the thing across to NZ ;)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: The Cloud (was aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:08:32 +1000
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>( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!
>
> Him and a lot of his mates were hanging around a lot in Sydney. ;-)

Has anyone noticed that 'The Cloud' disappears for quite a large part of
the year (mainly storm season), and reappears regularly during autumn &
winter in Australia and Hong Kong.  That NSW forecaster who originally
discovered the cloud & mentioned it to Michael Thompson has a bit to
answer to when it comes to 'The Cloud' chases that we all go on in the
"non-storm" season.

Maybe this year the MSC site could host photos of 'The Cloud' when
people see it - so if you do happen to spot 'The Cloud', feel free to
email me a pic with the location, date & time details & we might do a
bit of history this season...Tony, I don't spose you got any photos to
start this project off with did you?

Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an 
air temperature of 2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is remarkable that an oceanic island can have 
such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hence low humidity. </FONT></DIV>
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Subject: RE: The Cloud (was aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain)
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Hey All.

I'll keep a look out for the cloud once I have moved...should find it somewhere roaming the "Alley"

Jimmy...keep ya eyes out too!!!!

PaulY

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Subject: The Cloud (was aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain)


>( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!
>
> Him and a lot of his mates were hanging around a lot in Sydney. ;-)

Has anyone noticed that 'The Cloud' disappears for quite a large part of
the year (mainly storm season), and reappears regularly during autumn &
winter in Australia and Hong Kong.  That NSW forecaster who originally
discovered the cloud & mentioned it to Michael Thompson has a bit to
answer to when it comes to 'The Cloud' chases that we all go on in the
"non-storm" season.

Maybe this year the MSC site could host photos of 'The Cloud' when
people see it - so if you do happen to spot 'The Cloud', feel free to
email me a pic with the location, date & time details & we might do a
bit of history this season...Tony, I don't spose you got any photos to
start this project off with did you?

Jane

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ASWA - Victoria
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At 10:08 PM 3/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

> >( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!



>Maybe this year the MSC site could host photos of 'The Cloud' when
>people see it - so if you do happen to spot 'The Cloud', feel free to
>email me a pic with the location, date & time details & we might do a
>bit of history this season...Tony, I don't spose you got any photos to
>start this project off with did you?

No, I don't, but I will keep an eye out for The Cloud from now on and take 
a few snaps. :-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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Hi Paul,

The only cloud I'll look out for is a supercell whenever possible or one 
that will try developing into one!!!!!

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:32 PM 3/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey All.
>
>I'll keep a look out for the cloud once I have moved...should find it 
>somewhere roaming the "Alley"
>
>Jimmy...keep ya eyes out too!!!!
>
>PaulY
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 22:09
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: The Cloud (was aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain)
>
>
> >( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!
> >
> > Him and a lot of his mates were hanging around a lot in Sydney. ;-)
>
>Has anyone noticed that 'The Cloud' disappears for quite a large part of
>the year (mainly storm season), and reappears regularly during autumn &
>winter in Australia and Hong Kong.  That NSW forecaster who originally
>discovered the cloud & mentioned it to Michael Thompson has a bit to
>answer to when it comes to 'The Cloud' chases that we all go on in the
>"non-storm" season.
>
>Maybe this year the MSC site could host photos of 'The Cloud' when
>people see it - so if you do happen to spot 'The Cloud', feel free to
>email me a pic with the location, date & time details & we might do a
>bit of history this season...Tony, I don't spose you got any photos to
>start this project off with did you?
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

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At 21:28 1/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
>Hi,
>That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you
>shift a bit further east please.
>I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with
>thunder and hail today and
>snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for
>Invercargill.
>Bye
>Steven W

Just come back home today (Thurs 2nd) to CHCH after a trip around the
Southern mainly central South Island (bugger, I missed on on a thunderstorm
in Invercargill today)
After leaving a very soaked Christchurch on Monday morning (52mm falling
here from 11pm on the Sun to 9am the next morning)and heading south, snow
was noticed to about 400m on the hills. Roads were flooded around South
Canterbury especially. 
As we were in central areas, Alex,Queenstown,Wanaka, it was quite sheltered
although snow covered on many of the ranges and it was snowing over the
Crown Range as we passed through yesterday.
I see they have wind warnings for Southland and Otago tomorrow



JohnGaul
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Hey i think thats a great idea with the fan but don't you think newzaland is
getting to much wind and rain. anyway  we could give it a go hey. just to
piss off that bocking high i think it's driving us all mad
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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> At 11:52 AM 2/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Maybe if we all gathered together on the east coat, with an oar, and of
the
> >count of 3 ......shove!  Huh :-)
>
> Hmm, since it's an air mass, perhaps we should all point our fans
eastwards
> and blow the thing across to NZ ;)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My luck has gone down the drain got layed off work 
fighting with my girlfriend what else can go wrong in the past two weeks a lot 
of things happen to mer and now back on the dol.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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FreeWX 00:00:08
T:Error H:Error Bar:1021hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,086 Wavg:Calm,085
DP:Error WC:Error HIx:Error Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+19.8C Hin:63%

****************************************************

Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 00:00:08 May  4

Temperature: Error
Humidity: Error
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 086°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 085°
Barometer: 1021 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: Error
Wind Chill: Error
Heat Index: Error
Indoor Temperature: +19.8 °C
Indoor Humidity: 63 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 16:51
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.6 °C at 21:56


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
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Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 01:26:30 +1000
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Michael,

Not wanting to sound rude, but can ya keep the personal things off the Aussie-wx email list. We had this same prob about 2 weeks
ago, with a couple of emails asking to keep personal relationship type stuff off here.

I'm sorry about your position and such, but please keep it weather related. If you need to talk to someone, try doing it through
personal email...not list email, or maybe even call them.

PaulY

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My luck has gone down the drain got layed off work fighting with my girlfriend what else can go wrong in the past two weeks a lot of
things happen to mer and now back on the dol.

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FreeWX 04:00:08
T:Error H:Error Bar:1019hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,067 Wavg:Calm,067
DP:Error WC:Error HIx:Error Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+19.2C Hin:65%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 04:00:08 May  4

Temperature: Error
Humidity: Error
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 067°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 067°
Barometer: 1019 hPa and Falling
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: Error
Wind Chill: Error
Heat Index: Error
Indoor Temperature: +19.2 °C
Indoor Humidity: 65 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 04:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.6 °C at 21:56


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
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FreeWX 08:00:08
T:Error H:Error Bar:1020hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,067 Wavg:Calm,067
DP:Error WC:Error HIx:Error Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+20.5C Hin:65%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 08:00:08 May  4

Temperature: Error
Humidity: Error
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 067°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 067°
Barometer: 1020 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: Error
Wind Chill: Error
Heat Index: Error
Indoor Temperature: +20.5 °C
Indoor Humidity: 65 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +14 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +0 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 0 meters. (0 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.6 °C at 21:56


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.2 °C at 13:02
Minimum Temperature: +10.4 °C at 06:34
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 07:56
Minimum Humidity: 32 % at 13:21
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.6 KT, 143° at 14:54
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 08:59
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1020 hPa at 17:21
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +18.3 °C at 07:56
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:32
Minimum Wind Chill: +10 °C at 06:34
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 10:44
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +28.1 °C at 11:56
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +20.6 °C at 21:56





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Nice imagery and link to the Siren event last year

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/misc/010619/010619.html

Note the southern cell is noted by the NWS as having 4.5inch hail.

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Not surprising..this is the surface 
chart for &nbsp;the system late last night..notice the very deep fetch of 
Antarctic air east from Long.170 E.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A 
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  <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
  Williams</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 03, 2002 10:17 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: very dry cold air</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an 
  air temperature of 2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is remarkable that an oceanic island can have 
  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hence low humidity. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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</span>Good rains last night driving to Surfers Paradise.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>G/C Seaway recorded 33 mm to </span></font><st1:time
Hour="9" Minute="0"><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
 font-family:Arial'>9am</span></font></st1:time><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> this morning though 46 mm fell in
the rain gauge in my suburb.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Overcast conditions still prevail so the chances are more
than likely for continuing showers or drizzle areas today.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think NZ came very close to some early snow. 
Interestingly at the moment campbell island has a temp of 1.9C</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>with a strong easterly, Christchurch has a temp of 
25.2 with westerly. I think the cold sector though will</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>stay SE of NZ although I notice pressures are 
falling again over the South Island.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Not surprising..this is the surface 
  chart for &nbsp;the system late last night..notice the very deep fetch of 
  Antarctic air east from Long.170 E.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A 
  href="http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_0600_analysis.asp">http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_0600_analysis.asp</A></FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz">Steven 
    Williams</A> </DIV>
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    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 03, 2002 10:17 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: very dry cold 
air</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting 
    an air temperature of 2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is remarkable that an oceanic island can 
    have such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the 
    Antarctic</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hence low humidity. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Keith,

You seem to be suggesting that the traffic jam is caused by the weather in
NSW....I would've thought it'd be due to the total lack of good quality
roads in NSW.....(and i'd like to say just kidding but i can't)....hehe.
Unfortunately the traffic jam in the weather is also affecting QLD, VIC and
SA too.  Cool to cold overnight but then fine and far far too sunny
(although I shouldn't complain - these days are as near to perfect as you
can get).

Enjoy it (i think) while it lasts.  The cold of winter is not far off.

Macca


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> Yes. There is a further intense depression south of the Falkland Islands
and
> there appears to be some scope for the low south of the other blocking
high
> to get a wriggle on and probably catch up with or be absorbed by that
> depression. This might all free up the traffic jam over NSW. I can recall
> occasions when prolonged spells of light winds in Sydney were followed by
> outbreaks of windy weather and a sizeable drop in the daily pressure
> readings, as if a statistical correction is taking place. So we shouldn't
be
> surprised if winter arrives in the next 10 days, just like the last 2
years
> in May only a week or two earlier.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > Keith
> >
> > That's a great synoptic shot.
> >
> > It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break
down
> > phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
> >
> > Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down there
or
> > what ?????
> >
> > Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole
set
> > up.
> >
> > I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with
some
> > fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push
around
> > the system to the south.
> >
> > Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
> >
> > Regards
> > Simon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > This might be why.
> > >
> > > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is driving
me
> > > nuts
> > > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > > Historically
> > > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south
east
> > > winds
> > > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing
the
> > > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey all
> > > > >
> > > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > > experiencing
> > > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so I'm
> not
> > > > going
> > > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > > >
> > > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
> time
> > > one
> > > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we
are
> > > going
> > > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> > (surely
> > > > > not?).
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> > www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
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> > > > >
> > > > >
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FreeWX 12:00:08
T:+22.3C H:52% Bar:1019hPa,Steady Wgst:Calm,256 Wavg:Calm,256
DP:+12C WC:+22C HIx:+24.5C Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+26.9C Hin:49%

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Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 12:00:08 May  4

Temperature: +22.3 °C
Humidity: 52 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 256°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 256°
Barometer: 1019 hPa and Steady
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +12 °C
Wind Chill: +22 °C
Heat Index: +24.5 °C
Indoor Temperature: +26.9 °C
Indoor Humidity: 49 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.4 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +5.9 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 1287 meters. (4223 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
Minimum Temperature: +18.9 °C at 09:21
Maximum Humidity: 87 % at 09:22
Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
Maximum Wind (gust): 4.7 KT, 150° at 10:18
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 12:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 3 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 09:20
Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 11:59
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 11:59
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21





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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Yes Andrew I know what you mean! The meteorological version however looks
like hanging around for a week according to 2 of the 3 7-day models. The 3rd
one (GASP) has a deep tropical dip over eastern Australia, a deepening
depression in the Coral Sea, and a Sydney forecast of rain next Friday, from
which I assume this is the model the BoM prefers at this early stage.
There's a complication in that the low west of Chile is cut off by a strong
high at about Lat 60 as per the following:

http://www.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/charts/deterministic/world/msl_uv8
50_z500!Wind%20850%20and%20mslp!120!South%20America!12!pop!od!oper!public_pl
ots!latest!/

so there's a sort of split in the westerlies which appears to extend into
the south Atlantic. So I guess until they all move down the centre of the
bus we might have this present pattern continuing. I'll leave it to the
upper air experts to comment on the role of the jet streams which will
probably determine the final outcome and make a liar of me in the process...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> Keith,
>
> You seem to be suggesting that the traffic jam is caused by the weather in
> NSW....I would've thought it'd be due to the total lack of good quality
> roads in NSW.....(and i'd like to say just kidding but i can't)....hehe.
> Unfortunately the traffic jam in the weather is also affecting QLD, VIC
and
> SA too.  Cool to cold overnight but then fine and far far too sunny
> (although I shouldn't complain - these days are as near to perfect as you
> can get).
>
> Enjoy it (i think) while it lasts.  The cold of winter is not far off.
>
> Macca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Barnett <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > Yes. There is a further intense depression south of the Falkland Islands
> and
> > there appears to be some scope for the low south of the other blocking
> high
> > to get a wriggle on and probably catch up with or be absorbed by that
> > depression. This might all free up the traffic jam over NSW. I can
recall
> > occasions when prolonged spells of light winds in Sydney were followed
by
> > outbreaks of windy weather and a sizeable drop in the daily pressure
> > readings, as if a statistical correction is taking place. So we
shouldn't
> be
> > surprised if winter arrives in the next 10 days, just like the last 2
> years
> > in May only a week or two earlier.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > That's a great synoptic shot.
> > >
> > > It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break
> down
> > > phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
> > >
> > > Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down
there
> or
> > > what ?????
> > >
> > > Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole
> set
> > > up.
> > >
> > > I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with
> some
> > > fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push
> around
> > > the system to the south.
> > >
> > > Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > This might be why.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is
driving
> me
> > > > nuts
> > > > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > > > Historically
> > > > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south
> east
> > > > winds
> > > > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing
> the
> > > > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > > > experiencing
> > > > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so
I'm
> > not
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
> > time
> > > > one
> > > > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we
> are
> > > > going
> > > > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> > > (surely
> > > > > > not?).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> > > www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > > > > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Good drenching for west Brisbane also.. my place took 28mm to 9am this 
morning.

rals

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
Date: Saturday, May 4, 2002 9:47 am
Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Rain

> Hi All,
>          Good rains last night driving to Surfers Paradise.  G/C 
> Seawayrecorded 33 mm to 9am this morning though 46 mm fell in the 
> rain gauge
> in my suburb.
> 
> Overcast conditions still prevail so the chances are more than likely
> for continuing showers or drizzle areas today.
> 
> Regards Shane
> 
> Gold Coast Queensland
> 

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Afternoon all,

Melbourne's record high for May is 28.7C.  Melbourne temperature at 1330
was 25.3C and a couple of localities in the western suburbs are
approaching 26C.

Jane

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At 12:49 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
>   I think NZ came very close to some early snow.  Interestingly at the
>moment campbell island has a temp of 1.9C with a strong easterly,
>Christchurch has a temp of  25.2 with westerly. I think the cold sector
 

26.5C in my screen at 1246pm.  NW wind

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At 23:37 3/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
>   My luck has gone down the drain got layed off work  fighting with my
>girlfriend what else can go wrong in the past two weeks a lot  of things
>happen to mer and now back on the dol. 

I see
...and now you are suffering from 'Anticyclonic gloom' ???


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At 23:19 3/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey i think thats a great idea with the fan but don't you think newzaland is
>getting to much wind and rain. anyway  we could give it a go hey. just to
>piss off that bocking high i think it's driving us all mad

No. we are getting bugger all here in Christchurch except for NW winds and
warm temperatures.
IT's only down south where the strong W to Sw gales are happening.
It's stuffing up the Oyster catch. Boats can't get out from Bluff.
Muttonbirds are dying because according to the media, not used to the windy
conditions. 


JohnGaul


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>From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:46 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain
>
>
>> At 11:52 AM 2/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>>
>> >Maybe if we all gathered together on the east coat, with an oar, and of
>the
>> >count of 3 ......shove!  Huh :-)
>>
>> Hmm, since it's an air mass, perhaps we should all point our fans
>eastwards
>> and blow the thing across to NZ ;)
>>
>> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
>> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
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33mm at Repton (Bellinger) after 28mm yesterday and a total of about 80mm
from last Saturday. At last the sun is shining again and it's warming up.

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Hi,

Looking at some of the totals, our rain totalled 23mm here in Schofields 
for April.

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FreeWX 16:00:08
T:+18.4C H:80% Bar:1017hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,078 Wavg:Calm,075
DP:+14.9C WC:+18C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.8C Hin:57%

****************************************************

Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
****************************************************
Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  4

Temperature: +18.4 °C
Humidity: 80 %
Wind Speed (gust): Calm
Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
Wind Direction: 078°
Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 075°
Barometer: 1017 hPa and Falling
Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
Dew Point: +14.9 °C
Wind Chill: +18 °C
Heat Index: n.a.
Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C
Indoor Humidity: 57 %
Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.2 °C
Wet Bulb Depression: +2.2 °C
Base Height of Cu Cloud: 437 meters. (1434 feet)


Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
Minimum Temperature: +16.3 °C at 13:40
Maximum Humidity: 92 % at 13:45
Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
Maximum Wind (gust): 9.8 KT, 14° at 13:24
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:00
Maximum Rainfall Rate: 32 mm/hour at 13:38
Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 7 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 13:37
Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21


Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am

Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21





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<x-flowed>
Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)


At 04:04 PM 4/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>FreeWX 16:00:08
>T:+18.4C H:80% Bar:1017hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,078 Wavg:Calm,075
>DP:+14.9C WC:+18C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.8C Hin:57%
>
>****************************************************
>
>Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
>****************************************************
>Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  4
>
>Temperature: +18.4 °C
>Humidity: 80 %
>Wind Speed (gust): Calm
>Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
>Wind Direction: 078°
>Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 075°
>Barometer: 1017 hPa and Falling
>Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
>Dew Point: +14.9 °C
>Wind Chill: +18 °C
>Heat Index: n.a.
>Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C
>Indoor Humidity: 57 %
>Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.2 °C
>Wet Bulb Depression: +2.2 °C
>Base Height of Cu Cloud: 437 meters. (1434 feet)
>
>
>Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
>
>Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
>Minimum Temperature: +16.3 °C at 13:40
>Maximum Humidity: 92 % at 13:45
>Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
>Maximum Wind (gust): 9.8 KT, 14° at 13:24
>Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
>Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:00
>Maximum Rainfall Rate: 32 mm/hour at 13:38
>Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 7 mm
>Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
>Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
>Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 13:37
>Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
>Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
>Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
>
>
>Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
>
>Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
>Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
>Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
>Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
>Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
>Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
>Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
>Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
>Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
>Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
>Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
>Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
>Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
>Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
>Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
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At 13:38 4/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Afternoon all,
>
>Melbourne's record high for May is 28.7C.  Melbourne temperature at 1330
>was 25.3C and a couple of localities in the western suburbs are
>approaching 26C.
>
>Jane

Warm in Christchurch today
up to 26.5C at 12:46pm local time
Where is this warm air coming from?

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At 00:17 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
>   Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an air temperature of
>2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7. It is remarkable that an oceanic island
>can have  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic
>hence low humidity.  Steven W  

It's really stirring things up, Steven
Not often we get a 'blocking high' over the SE of Australia and with that
dry cold air, this is resulting with very deep lows - 946hPa in that low to
the SE of NZ according to the 1800 3 May 2002 analysis weather map from
MetService.
No wonder it is windy down south of the South Island.
...but with a dry SW airstream, why is it windy and warm today here with
the NW.
If the anticyclone was to the east of NZ, you would expect these conditions? 
I'm not a metoeorologist but why is is warm with a blocking high to the
west of the country (NZ) ?


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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Not much better for Seven Hills..26.2mm or just on the 25th percentile.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Schofields Rain


> Hi,
>
> Looking at some of the totals, our rain totalled 23mm here in Schofields
> for April.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
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At 04:23 PM 4/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)

I was going to say something, but I'll offer a suggestion:  For those 
offering weather obs, why not put up a website and try and get some links 
from one or more of the major AU weather sites?  The web is the perfect 
medium for real time weather obs. :)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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For Repton: 112mm in April, 62mm so far this month plus today's drenching -
698mm for the year so far- some coastal areas are considerably drier. This
is half of last year's equivalent total, but only 350mm fell for the rest of
the year. I hope this year is wetter.
Peter

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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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I thought the one in question was automatically generated..does the owner
know what it's doing?
----- Original Message -----
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> At 04:23 PM 4/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)
>
> I was going to say something, but I'll offer a suggestion:  For those
> offering weather obs, why not put up a website and try and get some links
> from one or more of the major AU weather sites?  The web is the perfect
> medium for real time weather obs. :)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
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Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 15:26:03 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Unfortunately "The Cloud" has not turned up in Hong Kong this week.  
Neither have any of his mates.
At this time of year we normally have 8/8 cloud most days which helps us 
to cope with the high humidity.
But this week there has been sun, sun, more sun, and according to the HKO 
another five days with more sun to come.  The next five days are 
predicted at 26-30C and 70-90%.
Fair go! My nose is sunburnt enough all ready!
So if any of you guys do happen to spot "The Cloud" please be kind enough 
to tell him and his mates that they are needed over here.

Phil
<><

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:08:32 +1000
Subject: The Cloud (was aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain)

> >( Ps).  watch out for  "THE CLOUD".  !!!!!!
> >
> > Him and a lot of his mates were hanging around a lot in Sydney. ;-)
> 
> Has anyone noticed that 'The Cloud' disappears for quite a large part
> of
> the year (mainly storm season), and reappears regularly during autumn &
> winter in Australia and Hong Kong.  That NSW forecaster who originally
> discovered the cloud & mentioned it to Michael Thompson has a bit to
> answer to when it comes to 'The Cloud' chases that we all go on in the
> "non-storm" season.
> 
> Maybe this year the MSC site could host photos of 'The Cloud' when
> people see it - so if you do happen to spot 'The Cloud', feel free to
> email me a pic with the location, date & time details & we might do a
> bit of history this season...Tony, I don't spose you got any photos to
> start this project off with did you?
> 
> Jane
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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From: "Ashton H Anderson" <ashtonha at ozemail.com.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Tekton color=#800000 size=4>Yes I must say I agree...it 
is great to know what is happening around our great country but it is far better 
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>I thought the one in question was automatically generated..does 
  the owner<BR>know what it's doing?<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: 
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Yes the owner knows what it is doing and is about to remove the emailing
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----- Original Message -----
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> I thought the one in question was automatically generated..does the owner
> know what it's doing?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May 4
>
>
> > At 04:23 PM 4/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)
> >
> > I was going to say something, but I'll offer a suggestion:  For those
> > offering weather obs, why not put up a website and try and get some
links
> > from one or more of the major AU weather sites?  The web is the perfect
> > medium for real time weather obs. :)
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope things get better for you soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Life is full of surprises (stop fighting though - 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon</FONT></DIV>
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have noted with interest the recent discussion 
about Weather Stations. I have a Weather MAX from Maximum Inc in the U S A . I 
have had &nbsp;and continue to&nbsp;experience &nbsp;problems with it apparently 
related to the power supply. It seems to cause problems with the logic 
circuit&nbsp; and display functions. The Display Unit has been back several 
times and a number of other componets have had to be replaced in the 2 years or 
so I have had it. My question is ;&nbsp; have any other list member one of these 
units and what has been your experience with them?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my last email I have virtually told them that I 
will return the whole set up if the gremlins can not be rectified.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have an agent in Hobart but I doubt they have 
the facilities to do any repairs as my experience has not been too good so 
far.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any ideas and comments would be most 
welcome.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin O'Brien</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May  4
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:53:57 +1000
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Hi all

Again I agree, Unless this is particularly interesting to the list then it
should not be posted.

I had previously asked where the hell Kramach is and received no reply - so
the info is meaningless.

(Also Paul - I agree personal life and relationship type topics should kept
off the list - but please don't be too hard on someone going through a hard
time - maybe the list is a help to them at the moment).

Regards
Simon


----- Original Message -----
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> Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)
>
>
> At 04:04 PM 4/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >FreeWX 16:00:08
> >T:+18.4C H:80% Bar:1017hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,078 Wavg:Calm,075
> >DP:+14.9C WC:+18C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.8C Hin:57%
> >
> >****************************************************
> >
> >Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
> >****************************************************
> >Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  4
> >
> >Temperature: +18.4 °C
> >Humidity: 80 %
> >Wind Speed (gust): Calm
> >Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
> >Wind Direction: 078°
> >Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 075°
> >Barometer: 1017 hPa and Falling
> >Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
> >Dew Point: +14.9 °C
> >Wind Chill: +18 °C
> >Heat Index: n.a.
> >Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C
> >Indoor Humidity: 57 %
> >Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.2 °C
> >Wet Bulb Depression: +2.2 °C
> >Base Height of Cu Cloud: 437 meters. (1434 feet)
> >
> >
> >Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
> >
> >Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> >Minimum Temperature: +16.3 °C at 13:40
> >Maximum Humidity: 92 % at 13:45
> >Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
> >Maximum Wind (gust): 9.8 KT, 14° at 13:24
> >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
> >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:00
> >Maximum Rainfall Rate: 32 mm/hour at 13:38
> >Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 7 mm
> >Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
> >Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
> >Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 13:37
> >Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> >
> >
> >Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
> >
> >Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
> >Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
> >Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
> >Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
> >Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
> >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
> >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
> >Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
> >Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
> >Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
> >Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
> >Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
> >Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
> >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Rain
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:56:15 +1000
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Hi all

42 mm in Bayside, Cleveland. But none since 9am despite the forecast.

Brings the total to 97mm here since last Saturday.

Regards
Simon


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Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SEQ Rain


>
> Good drenching for west Brisbane also.. my place took 28mm to 9am this
> morning.
>
> rals
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, May 4, 2002 9:47 am
> Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Rain
>
> > Hi All,
> >          Good rains last night driving to Surfers Paradise.  G/C
> > Seawayrecorded 33 mm to 9am this morning though 46 mm fell in the
> > rain gauge
> > in my suburb.
> >
> > Overcast conditions still prevail so the chances are more than likely
> > for continuing showers or drizzle areas today.
> >
> > Regards Shane
> >
> > Gold Coast Queensland
> >
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stations
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:25:50 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No offence meant at all here but you get what you 
pay for. :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I spent up big, while I had the money and went for 
a Davis Monitor II which came with the rain gauge and datalogger for the 
computer download. Have not had any problems with it at all. I originally had a 
WM-918 which copped a direct lightning strike (no fault of the unit of course) 
and then got another which suffered from the same as the original. 201.6 kmh 
wind gusts on a nice steady day which also registered rain which never happened. 
But must admit I liked the weather "forecast" icon it produced.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:mrcenterprises at bigpond.com" 
  title=mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>GAVIN O'BRIEN</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:49 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Weather Stations</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have noted with interest the recent discussion 
  about Weather Stations. I have a Weather MAX from Maximum Inc in the U S A . I 
  have had &nbsp;and continue to&nbsp;experience &nbsp;problems with it 
  apparently related to the power supply. It seems to cause problems with the 
  logic circuit&nbsp; and display functions. The Display Unit has been back 
  several times and a number of other componets have had to be replaced in the 2 
  years or so I have had it. My question is ;&nbsp; have any other list member 
  one of these units and what has been your experience with them?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my last email I have virtually told them that 
  I will return the whole set up if the gremlins can not be 
  rectified.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have an agent in Hobart but I doubt they 
  have the facilities to do any repairs as my experience has not been too good 
  so far.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any ideas and comments would be most 
  welcome.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin O'Brien</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra A.C.T.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:59:46 +1200
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Perhaps it is cool and windy over most of NZ because the lunar southern
declination is at this time centred over a longitude line situated between
Australia and NZ; a relatively rare event. The moon has, in the last few
days, been rising above a point just below New Caledonia and daily tracking
east, in direct longitudinal line with NZ. Every southern hemisphere autumn
the lunar southern declination occurs around Last quarter phase. The day of
the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of perigee,
large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than usual,
occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji
(5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This number is
unusually large. The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
its northerly ascent a couple of days ago. If this is considered to be in
the realm of coincidence then so also must each grand snowdump in Otago and
S Canterbury last winter that also occurred immediately after the lunar
southern declinations of the winter months of 2001.
Ken Ring
www.predictweather.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gaul" <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air


> At 00:17 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
> >   Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an air temperature of
> >2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7. It is remarkable that an oceanic island
> >can have  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic
> >hence low humidity.  Steven W

> ...but with a dry SW airstream, why is it windy and warm today here with
> the NW.
> If the anticyclone was to the east of NZ, you would expect these
conditions?
> I'm not a metoeorologist but why is is warm with a blocking high to the
> west of the country (NZ) ?

> JohnGaul
> NZTS


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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
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Hi John,
Tairoa head near Dunedin is reporting an average of 58kts at 2100NZST this
evening. But on Thursday evening
at the same time the average was 75kts. No wonder the Albatross like it so
much there. Good for take off.
Anyway today I notice the upper air was very warm over NZ, hence the high
temps up the East coast.
Timaru recorded 27C. In Auckland we had 7/8 Stratocu all day, no heating, so
max was only 18C.
Very cold air just to the south of the country will stay down there though
don't expect a warm day Sunday.
Cheers
Steven W

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gaul" <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air


> At 00:17 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
> >   Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an air temperature of
> >2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7. It is remarkable that an oceanic island
> >can have  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic
> >hence low humidity.  Steven W
>
> It's really stirring things up, Steven
> Not often we get a 'blocking high' over the SE of Australia and with that
> dry cold air, this is resulting with very deep lows - 946hPa in that low
to
> the SE of NZ according to the 1800 3 May 2002 analysis weather map from
> MetService.
> No wonder it is windy down south of the South Island.
> ...but with a dry SW airstream, why is it windy and warm today here with
> the NW.
> If the anticyclone was to the east of NZ, you would expect these
conditions?
> I'm not a metoeorologist but why is is warm with a blocking high to the
> west of the country (NZ) ?
>
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stations
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 20:55:57 +1000
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Evening all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I've had a Davis Weather Wizard since 2000 &amp; haven't had a 
problem with it at all.&nbsp; Very pleased at the reliability (I've checked it 
against the Scoresby AWS which gives me a reasonable indication, &amp; also 
against the Kestrel &amp; outdoor thermometer &amp; Nylex rain gauge &amp; do so 
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The WM - 918&nbsp; is made specifically for Dick Smith as far 
as I can determine. Not sure about their technical backup in Australia while 
Davis has local backup.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Jane</FONT></DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=bussie at netc.net.au href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">Bussy</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:25 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Weather 
  Stations</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No offence meant at all here but you get what you 
  pay for. :-)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I spent up big, while I had the money and went 
  for a Davis Monitor II which came with the rain gauge and datalogger for the 
  computer download. Have not had any problems with it at all. I originally had 
  a WM-918 which copped a direct lightning strike (no fault of the unit of 
  course) and then got another which suffered from the same as the original. 
  201.6 kmh wind gusts on a nice steady day which also registered rain which 
  never happened. But must admit I liked the weather "forecast" icon it 
  produced.</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=mrcenterprises at bigpond.com 
    href="mailto:mrcenterprises at bigpond.com">GAVIN O'BRIEN</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:49 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Weather Stations</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have noted with interest the recent 
    discussion about Weather Stations. I have a Weather MAX from Maximum Inc in 
    the U S A . I have had &nbsp;and continue to&nbsp;experience &nbsp;problems 
    with it apparently related to the power supply. It seems to cause problems 
    with the logic circuit&nbsp; and display functions. The Display Unit has 
    been back several times and a number of other componets have had to be 
    replaced in the 2 years or so I have had it. My question is ;&nbsp; have any 
    other list member one of these units and what has been your experience with 
    them?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my last email I have virtually told them 
    that I will return the whole set up if the gremlins can not be 
    rectified.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have an agent in Hobart but I doubt they 
    have the facilities to do any repairs as my experience has not been too good 
    so far.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any ideas and comments would be most 
    welcome.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin O'Brien</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Southside Weather Watch</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra A.C.T.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stations
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:54:16 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussy, I am amused by your comment.I don't think 
I had much change out of $A2500 or so. Still I sent Maximum's tech quite a blast 
when he told me that most of their customers were happy with the WeatherMAX,it 
was cold comfort to me! I told him I was putting the issue up for discussion on 
the list What do the list&nbsp; members think is a fair price and who has 
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:25 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Weather 
  Stations</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No offence meant at all here but you get what you 
  pay for. :-)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I spent up big, while I had the money and went 
  for a Davis Monitor II which came with the rain gauge and datalogger for the 
  computer download. Have not had any problems with it at all. I originally had 
  a WM-918 which copped a direct lightning strike (no fault of the unit of 
  course) and then got another which suffered from the same as the original. 
  201.6 kmh wind gusts on a nice steady day which also registered rain which 
  never happened. But must admit I liked the weather "forecast" icon it 
  produced.</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=mrcenterprises at bigpond.com 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:49 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Weather Stations</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have noted with interest the recent 
    discussion about Weather Stations. I have a Weather MAX from Maximum Inc in 
    the U S A . I have had &nbsp;and continue to&nbsp;experience &nbsp;problems 
    with it apparently related to the power supply. It seems to cause problems 
    with the logic circuit&nbsp; and display functions. The Display Unit has 
    been back several times and a number of other componets have had to be 
    replaced in the 2 years or so I have had it. My question is ;&nbsp; have any 
    other list member one of these units and what has been your experience with 
    them?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my last email I have virtually told them 
    that I will return the whole set up if the gremlins can not be 
    rectified.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have an agent in Hobart but I doubt they 
    have the facilities to do any repairs as my experience has not been too good 
    so far.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any ideas and comments would be most 
    welcome.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin O'Brien</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Southside Weather Watch</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra A.C.T.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: very dry cold air
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:35:42 +0930
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<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">ha! imagine if melb. was currently located at 
long. 170w........... one can only imagine.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">Thunda Hunta</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A 
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2>Not surprising..this is the surface 
chart for &nbsp;the system late last night..notice the very deep fetch of 
Antarctic air east from Long.170 E.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_0600_analysis.asp">http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_0600_analysis.asp</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp"></A></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:nzstorm at ihug.co.nz" title=nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>Steven 
  Williams</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 03, 2002 10:17 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: very dry cold air</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an 
  air temperature of 2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is remarkable that an oceanic island can have 
  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hence low humidity. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W</FONT></DIV>
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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:40:59 +0930
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i consider ones interpretation of what constitutes a perfect day to be open
to interpretation

Thunda Hunta


----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues


> Keith,
>
> You seem to be suggesting that the traffic jam is caused by the weather in
> NSW....I would've thought it'd be due to the total lack of good quality
> roads in NSW.....(and i'd like to say just kidding but i can't)....hehe.
> Unfortunately the traffic jam in the weather is also affecting QLD, VIC
and
> SA too.  Cool to cold overnight but then fine and far far too sunny
> (although I shouldn't complain - these days are as near to perfect as you
> can get).
>
> Enjoy it (i think) while it lasts.  The cold of winter is not far off.
>
> Macca
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Keith Barnett <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:38 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
>
>
> > Yes. There is a further intense depression south of the Falkland Islands
> and
> > there appears to be some scope for the low south of the other blocking
> high
> > to get a wriggle on and probably catch up with or be absorbed by that
> > depression. This might all free up the traffic jam over NSW. I can
recall
> > occasions when prolonged spells of light winds in Sydney were followed
by
> > outbreaks of windy weather and a sizeable drop in the daily pressure
> > readings, as if a statistical correction is taking place. So we
shouldn't
> be
> > surprised if winter arrives in the next 10 days, just like the last 2
> years
> > in May only a week or two earlier.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> >
> >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > That's a great synoptic shot.
> > >
> > > It appears that the other blocking high to the east of NZ is in break
> down
> > > phase - gradually being worn down by those lows to the west.
> > >
> > > Look at those tight isobars over southern NZ (whow !). Windy down
there
> or
> > > what ?????
> > >
> > > Our blocking high over SE Aust. appears as a consequence of the whole
> set
> > > up.
> > >
> > > I expect a NE drift into the northern Tasman /southern Coral Sea with
> some
> > > fluctation in intensity over the next few days as lows try to push
> around
> > > the system to the south.
> > >
> > > Enjoying the heavy showery autumnal weather in SE QLD.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Simon
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > >
> > >
> > > > This might be why.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1800_analysis.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <michael_wright at optusnet.com.au>
> > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > It Sort of bringing the flu, i say and the blocking high is
driving
> me
> > > > nuts
> > > > > Phil so i guess its here for a while now and i don't recall it
> > > > Historically
> > > > > recorded for this first time. what we need is a good strong south
> east
> > > > winds
> > > > > in the mid upper level to pust all the shit out it's just bringing
> the
> > > > > sickness into my place.i hope i'm not whining to you
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > > > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Blocking high blues
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hey all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that its just human to imagine the the weather we are
> > > > experiencing
> > > > > > now is somehow extraordinary (when it probably isn't), and so
I'm
> > not
> > > > > going
> > > > > > to start whining about this persistent blocking pattern - yet!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, it got me thinking.   Historically, what is the longest
> > time
> > > > one
> > > > > > of these patterns has persisted?  One month (I suspect not - we
> are
> > > > going
> > > > > > to get  close to that next week)?  Two months?  Three months???
> > > (surely
> > > > > > not?).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
> > > > > > - - - - - - - 'The Playpen'  at 
> > > www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2 - - - - - - -
> > > > > >        "...I'd wring your neck, if you had one..."   Noel Coward
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Stations
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:08:27 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Jane ,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the comment</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin</FONT></DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=cadence at stormchasers.au.com 
  href="mailto:cadence at stormchasers.au.com">Jane ONeill</A> </DIV>
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PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Weather 
  Stations</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT size=2>Evening all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>I've had a Davis Weather Wizard since 2000 &amp; haven't had 
  a problem with it at all.&nbsp; Very pleased at the reliability (I've checked 
  it against the Scoresby AWS which gives me a reasonable indication, &amp; also 
  against the Kestrel &amp; outdoor thermometer &amp; Nylex rain gauge &amp; do 
  so on a regular basis).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>If someone dropped some $$$ on my doorstep &amp; told me 
  that I had to spend it on weather equipment I'd go &amp; buy a Davis Vantage 
  Pro weather station &amp; a Kestrel 4000 without thinking twice.&nbsp; 
  &lt;g&gt;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>The WM - 918&nbsp; is made specifically for Dick Smith as 
  far as I can determine. Not sure about their technical backup in Australia 
  while Davis has local backup.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=2>Jane</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
  href="mailto:cadence at stormchasers.au.com">cadence at stormchasers.au.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Melbourne Storm Chasers<BR><A 
  href="http://www.stormchasers.au.com">http://www.stormchasers.au.com</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>ASWA - Victoria<BR><A 
  href="http://www.severeweather.asn.au">http://www.severeweather.asn.au</A><BR>--------------------------------</DIV>
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    <A title=bussie at netc.net.au href="mailto:bussie at netc.net.au">Bussy</A> 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 8:25 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Weather 
    Stations</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No offence meant at all here but you get what 
    you pay for. :-)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I spent up big, while I had the money and went 
    for a Davis Monitor II which came with the rain gauge and datalogger for the 
    computer download. Have not had any problems with it at all. I originally 
    had a WM-918 which copped a direct lightning strike (no fault of the unit of 
    course) and then got another which suffered from the same as the original. 
    201.6 kmh wind gusts on a nice steady day which also registered rain which 
    never happened. But must admit I liked the weather "forecast" icon it 
    produced.</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=mrcenterprises at bigpond.com 
      href="mailto:mrcenterprises at bigpond.com">GAVIN O'BRIEN</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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      href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:49 
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Weather 
      Stations</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have noted with interest the recent 
      discussion about Weather Stations. I have a Weather MAX from Maximum Inc 
      in the U S A . I have had &nbsp;and continue to&nbsp;experience 
      &nbsp;problems with it apparently related to the power supply. It seems to 
      cause problems with the logic circuit&nbsp; and display functions. The 
      Display Unit has been back several times and a number of other componets 
      have had to be replaced in the 2 years or so I have had it. My question is 
      ;&nbsp; have any other list member one of these units and what has been 
      your experience with them?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my last email I have virtually told them 
      that I will return the whole set up if the gremlins can not be 
      rectified.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They have an agent in Hobart but I doubt they 
      have the facilities to do any repairs as my experience has not been too 
      good so far.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any ideas and comments would be most 
      welcome.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gavin O'Brien</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Southside Weather Watch</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra A.C.T.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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Well,

If there was going to be a send off for the US for myself and Matt Piper, 
this meeting did it. We had 27 people attending breaking the previous 
record of late 2000. People who attended really enjoyed the variety (video 
and presentations) and the excellent talk by Mal Ninnes. Wow!!! It was done 
professionally easily pitched at a level where people can understand. Well 
done and thanks to all those who attended (even from Port Macquarie): that 
make a person's hard work more worthwhile. To me this represented the true 
spirit of ASWA. For those that didn't attend - well you missed out on a 
spectacle. Hope you can make it to future meetings.

A very blown away Jimmy. The ASWA hats are quite nice too - will come in 
handy in the US.

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/LaPlata_lrg.jpg

New NASA Satellite Zooms in on Tornado Swath

A number of severe thunder storms swept through the mid-Atlantic
states on April 28, bringing high winds, hailstones, and heavy rains
to many areas. The intense storms spawned at least two tornadoes, one
of which was classified as an F5 funnel cloud--the most severe
category, with winds in excess of 260 miles per hour (425 km per
hour). The powerful tornado touched down in southern Maryland and
ripped through the town of La Plata, destroying most of the historic
downtown. The twister--the strongest ever recorded to hit the state
and perhaps the strongest ever recorded in the eastern U.S.--flattened
everything in its path along a 24-mile (39 km) swath running west to
east through the state.

The tornado's path can be seen clearly in this panchromatic image
acquired on May 1 by the Advanced Land Imager (ALI), flying aboard
NASA's EO-1 satellite. La Plata is situated toward the lefthand side
of this scene and the twister's swath is the bright stripe passing
through the town and running eastward 6 miles (10 km) toward the
Patuxent River beyond the righthand side of the image. This stripe is
the result of the vegetation flattened by the storm. The flattened
vegetation reflects more light than untouched vegetation.

EO-1 is the first Earth observing satellite launched as part of NASA's
New Millennium Program. This program is designed to spearhead
development and testing of a new generation of satellite remote
sensing technologies for future Earth and space science missions. The
ALI is designed to improve upon and extend the measurement heritage
begun by the Landsat series of satellites well into the 21st Century.

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Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 07:23:08 +0800
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From memory, Krambach is roughly halfway between Taree and Gloucester, 
but I haven't been up through that neck of the woods in at least thirty 
years.

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:53:57 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May  4

> Hi all
> 
> Again I agree, Unless this is particularly interesting to the list then
> it
> should not be posted.
> 
> I had previously asked where the hell Kramach is and received no reply
> - so
> the info is meaningless.
> 
> (Also Paul - I agree personal life and relationship type topics should
> kept
> off the list - but please don't be too hard on someone going through a
> hard
> time - maybe the list is a help to them at the moment).
> 
> Regards
> Simon
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Bath" <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:23 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May 4
> 
> 
> > Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)
> >
> >
> > At 04:04 PM 4/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >FreeWX 16:00:08
> > >T:+18.4C H:80% Bar:1017hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,078 Wavg:Calm,075
> > >DP:+14.9C WC:+18C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.8C Hin:57%
> > >
> > >****************************************************
> > >
> > >Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
> > >****************************************************
> > >Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  4
> > >
> > >Temperature: +18.4 °C
> > >Humidity: 80 %
> > >Wind Speed (gust): Calm
> > >Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
> > >Wind Direction: 078°
> > >Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 075°
> > >Barometer: 1017 hPa and Falling
> > >Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
> > >Dew Point: +14.9 °C
> > >Wind Chill: +18 °C
> > >Heat Index: n.a.
> > >Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C
> > >Indoor Humidity: 57 %
> > >Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.2 °C
> > >Wet Bulb Depression: +2.2 °C
> > >Base Height of Cu Cloud: 437 meters. (1434 feet)
> > >
> > >
> > >Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
> > >
> > >Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> > >Minimum Temperature: +16.3 °C at 13:40
> > >Maximum Humidity: 92 % at 13:45
> > >Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
> > >Maximum Wind (gust): 9.8 KT, 14° at 13:24
> > >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
> > >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:00
> > >Maximum Rainfall Rate: 32 mm/hour at 13:38
> > >Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 7 mm
> > >Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
> > >Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
> > >Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 13:37
> > >Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> > >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> > >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> > >
> > >
> > >Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
> > >
> > >Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
> > >Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
> > >Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
> > >Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
> > >Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
> > >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
> > >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
> > >Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
> > >Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
> > >Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
> > >Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
> > >Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
> > >Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
> > >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> > >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Morning all,

the low to the east of New Zealand got down to 936hPa yesterday morning
and was 937hPa at 10pm AEST last night!!
http://www.metservice.co.nz/maps/swp_1200_analysis.asp


Interesting southern hemisphere charts from the BoM
Indian Ocean (12Z)
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/national/charts/OSPio2.shtml
Pacific Ocean (12Z)
http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/national/charts/OSPpo2.shtml

Wonder what our climate would be like if you shifted Australia south by
15 degrees......

Jane

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Hi All,

       Overcast and rainy conditions again in SEQ yesterday though
driving back from Brisbane last night, no rain fell till we hit Yatala.
G/C Seaway till 3am this morning reported another 20 mm of rain.

       Thanks to the high near NSW, this system is directing a moist E
to SE airflow onshore.  Today its overcast but the showers seem to be
hanging around offshore.  

Regards Shane

Gold Coast Queensland

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Hi all

42 mm in Bayside, Cleveland. But none since 9am despite the forecast.

Brings the total to 97mm here since last Saturday.

Regards
Simon


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>
> Good drenching for west Brisbane also.. my place took 28mm to 9am this
> morning.
>
> rals
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, May 4, 2002 9:47 am
> Subject: aus-wx: SEQ Rain
>
> > Hi All,
> >          Good rains last night driving to Surfers Paradise.  G/C
> > Seawayrecorded 33 mm to 9am this morning though 46 mm fell in the
> > rain gauge
> > in my suburb.
> >
> > Overcast conditions still prevail so the chances are more than
likely
> > for continuing showers or drizzle areas today.
> >
> > Regards Shane
> >
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Good afternoon, John.
A check of the soundings over NZ yesterday were interesting, showing a warm
belt of air between 850hpa and 450hpa on the north side of the polar jet
extension (relatively warm that is), over the northern part of the north
island it was -13 at 500hpa and I think 9c at 850hpa, at the same time
Sydney was -19c at 500hpa hence their unexpected heavy showers and hail in
the middle of a surface high!. Anyway most of NZ was on the warm side of the
polar jet, to the south just south of the south island it was much colder
even at Chatham Is the 850 was -1c so it appears the jet was aligned
southwest to northeast around that super low to your southeast (936hpa).
With all this in mind there appears to have been some strong downward mixing
of the  upper warm air field especially leeward of the NZ mountains,
standing waves could be seen on the sat pic leeward of any substantial
mountain areas of NZ. The downward mixing would have helped warm the air
even more as it warmed at the dry adiabatic rate, I presume humidity levels
were relatively low in areas of high temps?.....The upper warm air belt has
originated over Australia and the central Indian ocean and dragged around
the grandfather high still annoying the southeast of Aus, although signs are
there that this pattern is now starting to break up.. best wishes Clyve
Herbert.
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> At 13:38 4/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
> >Afternoon all,
> >
> >Melbourne's record high for May is 28.7C.  Melbourne temperature at 1330
> >was 25.3C and a couple of localities in the western suburbs are
> >approaching 26C.
> >
> >Jane
>
> Warm in Christchurch today
> up to 26.5C at 12:46pm local time
> Where is this warm air coming from?
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS
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Hi Ken and all

Could you just give me a quick run-down of a few terms that you've 
used here.

> Perhaps it is cool and windy over most of NZ because the lunar southern
> declination is at this time centred over a longitude line situated between
> Australia and NZ; a relatively rare event.

Lunar southern declination???  I guess you mean the moon is at its maximum
southerly point from the equator?  There is only one time in a month when
the moon is at this point, which using an ephemeris program gives this
southerly point as occuring early (NZ time) on May 2 (May 1 ~17UTC).  And
as you pointed out, from NZ, this occurs when the moon is almost crossing
the longitude of NZ (or effectively highest in the sky).

The moon stays within -1 arcminute of this point (ie variation in
declination of 0.04% out of the total variation in declination for the
moon) for 4 hours either side of May 2.  Does this mean that 60 degrees of
longitude either side of NZ will be affected by similar weather as over
NZ....  Looking at the southern hemisphere MSLP chart shows otherwise:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/shmslp.gif

Perhaps a little simplistic of me to assume that???


> The moon has, in the last few days, been rising above a point just 
> below New Caledonia and daily tracking east, in direct longitudinal line 
> with NZ. 

I'm really confused here.  Doesn't the moon rise over all sorts of
positions depending from where you observe it from??  Perhaps you're
talking about as seen from New Zealand....although looking at a planet
plotting program shows that the moon will be rising in the east-southeast
as seen from Christchurch, while New Caledonia is to the north??


> The day of
> the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of perigee,

Perigee was on the morning of the 26th of April as shown by:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
so just over a week prior to last quarter.


> large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than usual,
> occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji
> (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This number is
> unusually large. 

Really???  Looking at:
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
which shows the worldwide earthquakes over the past 30 days, shows for a 3 
day period in April during the middle of apogee (when the moon is  
furthest from the earth): 

9th April - mag 4.3 in Fiji, mag 3.9 off east coast of New Zealand, and a 
few smaller quakes in the north island of NZ.
10th April - mags 4.6, 4.9 and 5.9 in Vanuatu, mag 4.5 in Fiji again.
11th April - mag 5.0 off north island of NZ, mags 4.6, 4.7, 6.2, 5.5, 4.7, 
4.8 in Vanuatu, mags 4.3 and 4.4 in Fiji, and a few more smaller ones on 
the north island of NZ. 

This is just focussing on the western Pacific region.  
So if anything, the current situation in the pacific region has been 
relatively quiet in terms of earthquakes!

For the earthquakes in the last 5 days see here:
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/bulletin.html


> The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
> its northerly ascent a couple of days ago. 

The moon starts its northerly ascent after it reaches maximum southerly 
declination, which I mentioned in the very first paragraph occurs on 
May 1 ~17UTC.

The southerlies over NZ began on 28 Apr, 18UTC initiated by the passage 
of a low pressure system, as seen in the MSLP chart for that time:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/mslApr29-0900.gif

Now if you're going to allow a 3 day leeway with this (28 Apr to 1 May),
then there doesn't seem to be anything special with the time when the
moon's most southerly declination lines up with it passing the longitude
of NZ.


Can anyone else help me out here? 


Cheers

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Hello Mr Ring.
Your reply to what may be the trigger for the present windy situation  and
certain weather conditions over New Zealand is interesting, however, the
position of the moon in respect to the location and development of such
large scale and intensive weather systems is in my opinion rather grey, a
simple check of the southern hemisphere synoptic charts and sat pics show
similar intense weather systems i.e. about 40 south and 80 to 90 east (south
Indian ocean) another at 40 to 60 south and a huge area of strong zonal
westerly flow from 30 to 50 east and the very intense system at 30 to 60
south 160 east to 140 west ( the system you claim to have been triggered by
the so called unusual accent of the moon) how then do you explain these
other just as intense weather systems at other locations around the southern
hemisphere or is this just coincidence as well... regards Clyve Herbert
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> Perhaps it is cool and windy over most of NZ because the lunar southern
> declination is at this time centred over a longitude line situated between
> Australia and NZ; a relatively rare event. The moon has, in the last few
> days, been rising above a point just below New Caledonia and daily
tracking
> east, in direct longitudinal line with NZ. Every southern hemisphere
autumn
> the lunar southern declination occurs around Last quarter phase. The day
of
> the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of
perigee,
> large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than
usual,
> occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji
> (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This number
is
> unusually large. The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
> its northerly ascent a couple of days ago. If this is considered to be in
> the realm of coincidence then so also must each grand snowdump in Otago
and
> S Canterbury last winter that also occurred immediately after the lunar
> southern declinations of the winter months of 2001.
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:28 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
>
>
> > At 00:17 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
> > >   Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an air temperature of
> > >2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7. It is remarkable that an oceanic
island
> > >can have  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the Antarctic
> > >hence low humidity.  Steven W
>
> > ...but with a dry SW airstream, why is it windy and warm today here with
> > the NW.
> > If the anticyclone was to the east of NZ, you would expect these
> conditions?
> > I'm not a metoeorologist but why is is warm with a blocking high to the
> > west of the country (NZ) ?
>
> > JohnGaul
> > NZTS
>
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>how then do you explain these
> other just as intense weather systems at other locations around the
southern
> hemisphere or is this just coincidence as well... regards Clyve Herbert
My point exactly. The whole earth revolves 360 degrees under the moon in 24
hours, during which time the moon only moves 13 degrees east. The moon's
effects are for all areas but will be monitored according to local
orography. I would think the word 'coincidence' had no place in a science
discussion and high incidence of unexplained correlation might be more
useful.
regards
Ken Ring
www.predictweather.com


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>
>
> > Perhaps it is cool and windy over most of NZ because the lunar southern
> > declination is at this time centred over a longitude line situated
between
> > Australia and NZ; a relatively rare event. The moon has, in the last few
> > days, been rising above a point just below New Caledonia and daily
> tracking
> > east, in direct longitudinal line with NZ. Every southern hemisphere
> autumn
> > the lunar southern declination occurs around Last quarter phase. The day
> of
> > the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of
> perigee,
> > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than
> usual,
> > occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji
> > (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This number
> is
> > unusually large. The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon
began
> > its northerly ascent a couple of days ago. If this is considered to be
in
> > the realm of coincidence then so also must each grand snowdump in Otago
> and
> > S Canterbury last winter that also occurred immediately after the lunar
> > southern declinations of the winter months of 2001.
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Gaul" <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
> >
> >
> > > At 00:17 4/05/02 +1200, you wrote:
> > > >   Campbell island just south of NZ is reporting an air temperature
of
> > > >2.3C and a dewpoint of minus 7.7. It is remarkable that an oceanic
> island
> > > >can have  such dry air. The cold air is being dredged off the
Antarctic
> > > >hence low humidity.  Steven W
> >
> > > ...but with a dry SW airstream, why is it windy and warm today here
with
> > > the NW.
> > > If the anticyclone was to the east of NZ, you would expect these
> > conditions?
> > > I'm not a metoeorologist but why is is warm with a blocking high to
the
> > > west of the country (NZ) ?
> >
> > > JohnGaul
> > > NZTS
> >
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
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> Hi Ken and all
> Could you just give me a quick run-down of a few terms that you've
> used here.
Sure.

> Lunar southern declination???  I guess you mean the moon is at its maximum
> southerly point from the equator?  There is only one time in a month when
> the moon is at this point, which using an ephemeris program gives this
> southerly point as occuring early (NZ time) on May 2 (May 1 ~17UTC).  And
> as you pointed out, from NZ, this occurs when the moon is almost crossing
> the longitude of NZ (or effectively highest in the sky).
That's the one.

> The moon stays within -1 arcminute of this point (ie variation in
> declination of 0.04% out of the total variation in declination for the
> moon) for 4 hours either side of May 2.  Does this mean that 60 degrees of
> longitude either side of NZ will be affected by similar weather as over
> NZ....  Looking at the southern hemisphere MSLP chart shows otherwise:
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/shmslp.gif
> Perhaps a little simplistic of me to assume that???
The best explanations are simple.


> > The moon has, in the last few days, been rising above a point just
> > below New Caledonia and daily tracking east, in direct longitudinal line
> > with NZ.
>
> I'm really confused here.  Doesn't the moon rise over all sorts of
> positions depending from where you observe it from??  Perhaps you're
> talking about as seen from New Zealand....although looking at a planet
> plotting program shows that the moon will be rising in the east-southeast
> as seen from Christchurch, while New Caledonia is to the north??
>
>
> > The day of
> > the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of
perigee,
>
> Perigee was on the morning of the 26th of April as shown by:
> http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
> so just over a week prior to last quarter.
>
>
> > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than
usual,
> > occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji
> > (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This number
is
> > unusually large.
>
> Really???  Looking at:
> http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
> which shows the worldwide earthquakes over the past 30 days, shows for a 3
> day period in April during the middle of apogee (when the moon is
> furthest from the earth):
>
> 9th April - mag 4.3 in Fiji, mag 3.9 off east coast of New Zealand, and a
> few smaller quakes in the north island of NZ.
> 10th April - mags 4.6, 4.9 and 5.9 in Vanuatu, mag 4.5 in Fiji again.
> 11th April - mag 5.0 off north island of NZ, mags 4.6, 4.7, 6.2, 5.5, 4.7,
> 4.8 in Vanuatu, mags 4.3 and 4.4 in Fiji, and a few more smaller ones on
> the north island of NZ.
>
> This is just focussing on the western Pacific region.
> So if anything, the current situation in the pacific region has been
> relatively quiet in terms of earthquakes!
>
> For the earthquakes in the last 5 days see here:
> http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/bulletin.html
>
>
> > The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
> > its northerly ascent a couple of days ago.
>
> The moon starts its northerly ascent after it reaches maximum southerly
> declination, which I mentioned in the very first paragraph occurs on
> May 1 ~17UTC.
>
> The southerlies over NZ began on 28 Apr, 18UTC initiated by the passage
> of a low pressure system, as seen in the MSLP chart for that time:
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/mslApr29-0900.gif
>
> Now if you're going to allow a 3 day leeway with this (28 Apr to 1 May),
> then there doesn't seem to be anything special with the time when the
> moon's most southerly declination lines up with it passing the longitude
> of NZ.
>
>
> Can anyone else help me out here?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
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>
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> PO Box 28M
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
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> email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
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>
>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: very dry cold air
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oops sorry, pressed the send button prematurely

> > Hi Ken and all
> > Could you just give me a quick run-down of a few terms that you've
> > used here.
> Sure.
>
> > Lunar southern declination???  I guess you mean the moon is at its
maximum
> > southerly point from the equator?  There is only one time in a month
when
> > the moon is at this point, which using an ephemeris program gives this
> > southerly point as occuring early (NZ time) on May 2 (May 1 ~17UTC).
And
> > as you pointed out, from NZ, this occurs when the moon is almost
crossing
> > the longitude of NZ (or effectively highest in the sky).
> That's the one.
>
> > The moon stays within -1 arcminute of this point (ie variation in
> > declination of 0.04% out of the total variation in declination for the
> > moon) for 4 hours either side of May 2.  Does this mean that 60 degrees
of
> > longitude either side of NZ will be affected by similar weather as over
> > NZ....  Looking at the southern hemisphere MSLP chart shows otherwise:
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/shmslp.gif
> > Perhaps a little simplistic of me to assume that???
The best explanations are simple. And I'd say yes, most southern hemisphere
regions will be affected by the southern declination, but the SD lasts a
couple of days because the moon's orbit is running parallel to that of earth
and the moon has next to zero angular momentum.
>

> > I'm really confused here.  Doesn't the moon rise over all sorts of
> > positions depending from where you observe it from??  Perhaps you're
> > talking about as seen from New Zealand....although looking at a planet
> > plotting program shows that the moon will be rising in the
east-southeast
> > as seen from Christchurch, while New Caledonia is to the north??
I am talking about as seen from NZ. The difference between locations in the
one country is only small due to the fast rotation of the earth. But it
means the weather effects will be similar at the same longitude.

> > > The day of
> > > the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of
> perigee,
> > Perigee was on the morning of the 26th of April as shown by:
> > http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
> > so just over a week prior to last quarter.
> > > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than
> usual,
> > > occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and
Fiji
> > > (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This
number
> is
> > > unusually large.
> >
> > Really???  Looking at:
> > http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
> > which shows the worldwide earthquakes over the past 30 days, shows for a
3
> > day period in April during the middle of apogee (when the moon is
> > furthest from the earth):
Sure. Pergiee and aopgee are interchangeable when it comes to triggering
earthquakes. They both form the Apsidal Line.

> > > The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
> > > its northerly ascent a couple of days ago.
> > The moon starts its northerly ascent after it reaches maximum southerly
> > declination, which I mentioned in the very first paragraph occurs on
> > May 1 ~17UTC.
> > The southerlies over NZ began on 28 Apr, 18UTC initiated by the passage
> > of a low pressure system, as seen in the MSLP chart for that time:
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/mslApr29-0900.gif
> > Now if you're going to allow a 3 day leeway with this (28 Apr to 1 May),
> > then there doesn't seem to be anything special with the time when the
> > moon's most southerly declination lines up with it passing the longitude
> > of NZ.
Oh well, back to coincidence then I suppose. Interesting though, when you
look at last year's snow dumps and the winter before that and the winter
before that.
thanks for the discussion
regards
Ken Ring
www.predictweather.com


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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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For those of you who have been waiting for Uniden Pro 510-XL CB radios
(the same as most of us have for use out in the field) to be on special
before you bought one, Dick Smith is selling them for $88 till 29th May
unless sold out before - probably the best price you'll ever see!!

Worth buying one before the season gets underway!!

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From: "Rosalina Champion" <rosalina08 at yahoo.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air
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Dear Ken,

It is just great for me to see you posting to the list.

I hope to learn a lot more about long range forcasts by the moon from your
postings.

Regards,
Rosalina
----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air


>
> > Hi Ken and all
> > Could you just give me a quick run-down of a few terms that you've
> > used here.
> Sure.
>
> > Lunar southern declination???  I guess you mean the moon is at its
maximum
> > southerly point from the equator?  There is only one time in a month
when
> > the moon is at this point, which using an ephemeris program gives this
> > southerly point as occuring early (NZ time) on May 2 (May 1 ~17UTC).
And
> > as you pointed out, from NZ, this occurs when the moon is almost
crossing
> > the longitude of NZ (or effectively highest in the sky).
> That's the one.
>
> > The moon stays within -1 arcminute of this point (ie variation in
> > declination of 0.04% out of the total variation in declination for the
> > moon) for 4 hours either side of May 2.  Does this mean that 60 degrees
of
> > longitude either side of NZ will be affected by similar weather as over
> > NZ....  Looking at the southern hemisphere MSLP chart shows otherwise:
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/shmslp.gif
> > Perhaps a little simplistic of me to assume that???
> The best explanations are simple.
>
>
> > > The moon has, in the last few days, been rising above a point just
> > > below New Caledonia and daily tracking east, in direct longitudinal
line
> > > with NZ.
> >
> > I'm really confused here.  Doesn't the moon rise over all sorts of
> > positions depending from where you observe it from??  Perhaps you're
> > talking about as seen from New Zealand....although looking at a planet
> > plotting program shows that the moon will be rising in the
east-southeast
> > as seen from Christchurch, while New Caledonia is to the north??
> >
> >
> > > The day of
> > > the Last quarter was yesterday May 4th. Coming within a few days of
> perigee,
> >
> > Perigee was on the morning of the 26th of April as shown by:
> > http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html
> > so just over a week prior to last quarter.
> >
> >
> > > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent than
> usual,
> > > occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), Tonga(4.7mag on 3rd) and
Fiji
> > > (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one per day in NZ since April 29. This
number
> is
> > > unusually large.
> >
> > Really???  Looking at:
> > http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
> > which shows the worldwide earthquakes over the past 30 days, shows for a
3
> > day period in April during the middle of apogee (when the moon is
> > furthest from the earth):
> >
> > 9th April - mag 4.3 in Fiji, mag 3.9 off east coast of New Zealand, and
a
> > few smaller quakes in the north island of NZ.
> > 10th April - mags 4.6, 4.9 and 5.9 in Vanuatu, mag 4.5 in Fiji again.
> > 11th April - mag 5.0 off north island of NZ, mags 4.6, 4.7, 6.2, 5.5,
4.7,
> > 4.8 in Vanuatu, mags 4.3 and 4.4 in Fiji, and a few more smaller ones on
> > the north island of NZ.
> >
> > This is just focussing on the western Pacific region.
> > So if anything, the current situation in the pacific region has been
> > relatively quiet in terms of earthquakes!
> >
> > For the earthquakes in the last 5 days see here:
> > http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/bulletin.html
> >
> >
> > > The windy southerlies started THE VERY DAY the moon began
> > > its northerly ascent a couple of days ago.
> >
> > The moon starts its northerly ascent after it reaches maximum southerly
> > declination, which I mentioned in the very first paragraph occurs on
> > May 1 ~17UTC.
> >
> > The southerlies over NZ began on 28 Apr, 18UTC initiated by the passage
> > of a low pressure system, as seen in the MSLP chart for that time:
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/mslApr29-0900.gif
> >
> > Now if you're going to allow a 3 day leeway with this (28 Apr to 1 May),
> > then there doesn't seem to be anything special with the time when the
> > moon's most southerly declination lines up with it passing the longitude
> > of NZ.
> >
> >
> > Can anyone else help me out here?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> >
> > Robert A. Goler
> >
> > School of Mathematical Sciences
> > PO Box 28M
> > Monash University
> > Clayton, Vic 3800
> > Australia
> >
> > ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
> >
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> >
> >
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<x-flowed>
At 02:48 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:


>For those of you who have been waiting for Uniden Pro 510-XL CB radios
>(the same as most of us have for use out in the field) to be on special
>before you bought one, Dick Smith is selling them for $88 till 29th May
>unless sold out before - probably the best price you'll ever see!!
>
>Worth buying one before the season gets underway!!

Not a bad idea, and the price is good for a bit of short range 
communications.  I am already suitably equipped, in case you're wondering. ;-)

As for something to bridge the longer distances, I am making the cause of 
weather watchers and storm chasers more widely known.  Stay tuned for any 
news (though it could take a while for anything to develop).

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Tony,

Are you talking more along the lines of HF?? This is the way I am going to 
go as you should have much farther communication ability.

Umm could someone with a better knowledge such as yourself and Glen O'Riley 
elaborate on the feasibility of HF communications, the licensing if any are 
required, and the cost of the unit? The clarity is also an issue so comment 
on this will also be appreciated.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:08 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>At 02:48 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
>
>>For those of you who have been waiting for Uniden Pro 510-XL CB radios
>>(the same as most of us have for use out in the field) to be on special
>>before you bought one, Dick Smith is selling them for $88 till 29th May
>>unless sold out before - probably the best price you'll ever see!!
>>
>>Worth buying one before the season gets underway!!
>
>Not a bad idea, and the price is good for a bit of short range 
>communications.  I am already suitably equipped, in case you're wondering. ;-)
>
>As for something to bridge the longer distances, I am making the cause of 
>weather watchers and storm chasers more widely known.  Stay tuned for any 
>news (though it could take a while for anything to develop).
>
>73 de Tony, VK3JED
>http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

-----------------------------------------
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Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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At 03:25 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Are you talking more along the lines of HF?? This is the way I am going to 
>go as you should have much farther communication ability.
>
>Umm could someone with a better knowledge such as yourself and Glen 
>O'Riley elaborate on the feasibility of HF communications, the licensing 
>if any are required, and the cost of the unit? The clarity is also an 
>issue so comment on this will also be appreciated.

HF is probably the best all round contender.  As for how to get on HF, 
there's a few issues.  You could possibly licence a frequency or two, or 
perhaps join forces with the 4WD or RFDS network (I have no ideas of the 
feasibility of this), but equipment costs are likely to be high.  The other 
option is the amateur radio avenue.  A lot of American chasers and spotters 
use amateur (ham) radio - there are whole nets which exist solely for 
reporting severe weather events.

At this point in time, there are a few licencing issues.  Amateur licences 
require a bit of study, but equipment wise, it can be cheaper to get on the 
air, if you use secondhand gear.  The study is what I feel would be the 
biggest hurdle for many.  However, the WIA is seeing to introduce a new 
entry level "Foundation" licence (with much simpler entrance requirements), 
and they are in the process of formulating the proposal to the ACA.  I am 
hoping to raise awareness of the need for more "public service" operations 
(WICEN and severe WX activities), and am passing the word around that 
perhaps a couple of lower HF bands, plus VHF and UHF might the best all 
round mix for this new licence class (our VHF and UHF systems include 
linked repeaters and low speed data - I was able to access a repeater on 
the Mornington peninsula (70km away) from the Melbourne ASWA meeting last 
week, and if the storm videos weren't showing, I could have linked to the 
world from there. :-) ).

Dunno how that will go, it's a bit of a long shot.  One can only try...  If 
the powers that be see my argument, it could mean a basic licence  after a 
weekend course.

Anyway, that's what's cooking here...

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Hi Tony,

I am particularly interested in the HF system but could you guys in the 
know how look further into this and discuss the best solution considering 
our vast distances. 70km is perhaps possible in a flat region like Victoria 
but New South Wales most probably will have less range. What I would not 
want is for one group of people to go down one path and others go down 
another path later down the track. It would be better to standardize 
communications as that would mean it would gain wider acceptance by the 
weather spotter community. Second hand equipment is probably the most 
viable option here too.

Could you discuss Tony what sort of range of typical coverage the various 
frequencies can achieve and the sorts of limitations they have.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:58 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>At 03:25 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
>>Are you talking more along the lines of HF?? This is the way I am going 
>>to go as you should have much farther communication ability.
>>
>>Umm could someone with a better knowledge such as yourself and Glen 
>>O'Riley elaborate on the feasibility of HF communications, the licensing 
>>if any are required, and the cost of the unit? The clarity is also an 
>>issue so comment on this will also be appreciated.
>
>HF is probably the best all round contender.  As for how to get on HF, 
>there's a few issues.  You could possibly licence a frequency or two, or 
>perhaps join forces with the 4WD or RFDS network (I have no ideas of the 
>feasibility of this), but equipment costs are likely to be high.  The 
>other option is the amateur radio avenue.  A lot of American chasers and 
>spotters use amateur (ham) radio - there are whole nets which exist solely 
>for reporting severe weather events.
>
>At this point in time, there are a few licencing issues.  Amateur licences 
>require a bit of study, but equipment wise, it can be cheaper to get on 
>the air, if you use secondhand gear.  The study is what I feel would be 
>the biggest hurdle for many.  However, the WIA is seeing to introduce a 
>new entry level "Foundation" licence (with much simpler entrance 
>requirements), and they are in the process of formulating the proposal to 
>the ACA.  I am hoping to raise awareness of the need for more "public 
>service" operations (WICEN and severe WX activities), and am passing the 
>word around that perhaps a couple of lower HF bands, plus VHF and UHF 
>might the best all round mix for this new licence class (our VHF and UHF 
>systems include linked repeaters and low speed data - I was able to access 
>a repeater on the Mornington peninsula (70km away) from the Melbourne ASWA 
>meeting last week, and if the storm videos weren't showing, I could have 
>linked to the world from there. :-) ).
>
>Dunno how that will go, it's a bit of a long shot.  One can only 
>try...  If the powers that be see my argument, it could mean a basic 
>licence  after a weekend course.
>
>Anyway, that's what's cooking here...
>
>73 de Tony, VK3JED
>http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
http://www.australiasevereweather.com

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Data or voice ?  The thought occured to me that HF data packet would be the way
to go.  I don't think voice would be sensible in the long run if a network were
set up.  As most people who were interested would spend a few hundred on a
radio come laptop setup using second hand (probably) ameteur gear, the
possibility exists for a chaser to be able to transmit position data and
reports in text formatted so that some software applications can plot it
automatically on screen maps, as well as receive similar coded data from home
based chase co-ordinators / helpers who are in a position to suck current data
off the net, indeed, the chaser could probably do the same himself.  The use of
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I second Jimmy's comments about last night's NSW meeting.

In particular, Mal Ninnes' presentation on meteorological radar answered 
some questions that I had in mind but had never had the time to look into. 
Mal: well researched, excellent presentation and just well done all round. 
You have raised the bar for ASWA technical presentations a notch or two.

Thank you to all involved in last night's meeting. Let's maintain the 
standard (and improve upon it in the future!)

Geoff Thurtell

At 12:17 AM 5/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Well,
>
>If there was going to be a send off for the US for myself and Matt Piper, 
>this meeting did it. We had 27 people attending breaking the previous 
>record of late 2000. People who attended really enjoyed the variety (video 
>and presentations) and the excellent talk by Mal Ninnes. Wow!!! It was 
>done professionally easily pitched at a level where people can understand. 
>Well done and thanks to all those who attended (even from Port Macquarie): 
>that make a person's hard work more worthwhile. To me this represented the 
>true spirit of ASWA. For those that didn't attend - well you missed out on 
>a spectacle. Hope you can make it to future meetings.
>
>A very blown away Jimmy. The ASWA hats are quite nice too - will come in 
>handy in the US.
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
>Web Page with Michael Bath
>
>Australian Severe Weather Home Page
>http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
>President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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At 04:28 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>I am particularly interested in the HF system but could you guys in the 
>know how look further into this and discuss the best solution considering 
>our vast distances. 70km is perhaps possible in a flat region like 
>Victoria but New South Wales most probably will have less range. What I 
>would not want is for one group of people to go down one path and others 
>go down another path later down the track. It would be better to 
>standardize communications as that would mean it would gain wider 
>acceptance by the weather spotter community. Second hand equipment is 
>probably the most viable option here too.

The amateur bands of most use would be 3.5 MHz (100km by day, 500km+ by 
night for mobile stations), 7 MHz (500km by day, more at night) and 10 MHz 
(good for up to 1000-1200km by day).  I personally have used 7 MHz to keep 
in touch with Melbourne, which mobile all around Tasmania, with no 
difficulty.  We even achieved a mobile to mobile contact, until the guy on 
the other end got swamped in noise (he was in Richmond (Melbourne) at the 
time, I was 20k N of Pt Arthur).

>Could you discuss Tony what sort of range of typical coverage the various 
>frequencies can achieve and the sorts of limitations they have.

The ARRL Handbook goes into quite a bit of detail.  However, I'll try and 
give a brief rundown of the bands I would consider for our uses:

At this stage, I'll look at the propagation characteristics of the bands, 
and their potential for use.  We will have to discuss licencing at some 
stage... (why do I get the feeling I'm going to be a tutor somewhere? :) ).

80 metres (3.5 MHz).  This band is affected by "D layer absorption" during 
the day, and has relatively limited range.  In addition, mobile antennas 
are very inefficient here, so the end result is there is only around 
100-150km maximum daylight range.  At night, the range improves to > 500km, 
mobile to base.  Atmospheric noise (particularly from storms!) can be high 
on this band.  However, the 80 metre band does have the advantage of being 
available to Novice licencees (simpler exams).  80m may also be more useful 
for some night work.

40 metres (7 MHz).  Reduced D layer absorption and more efficient mobile 
antennas make this band quite useful for regional mobile work.  Mobile to 
base contacts of 500km are easily achieved (as mentioned, I had no problems 
maintaining contact with friends in Melbourne from anywhere in Tasmania - 
including central Hobart and the bottom of the Franklin River valley - 
which has 45 degree sides), and mobile to mobile contacts up to a few 
hundred km are not hard to achieve either.  At night, the range of 40 
metres increases considerably also, but shorter distances may be better 
covered on 80 metres.

30 metres (10 MHz).  This band is the "intercapital" band for eastern 
Australia.  30 metres excels at the 700-800 km range, up to and exceeding 
1000km, such as between the eastern capital cities.  Mobile to mobile range 
exceeding 500km is possible (I have worked mobiles in South Australia from 
my mobile whips).  Noise is much less of a problem up here.  However, one 
issue with this band is the phenomenon of "skip" starts to appear, where 
stations between 50 and 400 km may not be heard at all.  The "skip distance 
increases considerably at night, making the band less useful for our 
purposes then.

20 metres (14 MHz).  The "DX band".  20 metres is the prime international 
band.  Locally though, contacts from 600km and upwards are 
achievable.  Mobile stations are very effective here.  However, the large 
600km skip distance makes this band less useful to chasers.

The higher HF bands (up to 28 MHz) get more and more like 27 MHz CB as you 
go higher in frequency -  shorter "local" range and longer skip 
distance.  The higher power available to amateurs does give considerably 
longer "local range" on 28 MHz SSB than 27 MHz SSB.

VHF and UHF

Not to be discounted are the VHF and UHF bands.  The most useful are 2 
metres and 70cm.  The higher power level of amateur stations and extensive 
repeater networks make VHF/UHF useful for up to 150km, depending on where 
you are.  Traditional linked repeater networks may increase this to 300km 
in some areas, while IRLP allows interstate and global contacts to be made 
through the use of Internet links.  Most VHF activity uses FM, which 
results in clearer audio (like UHF CB), and the 2m and 70cm bands are 
accessible by all licence classes.

2m and 70cm are also useful for convoy work, with > 20km mobile to mobile 
range often available.

On a similar note, it would also be worth contacting our American friends, 
they're old hands at using the ham bands for weather spotting. :-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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>Data or voice ?  The thought occured to me that HF data packet would be 
>the way
>to go.  I don't think voice would be sensible in the long run if a network 
>were
>set up.  As most people who were interested would spend a few hundred on a
>radio come laptop setup using second hand (probably) ameteur gear, the
>possibility exists for a chaser to be able to transmit position data and
>reports in text formatted so that some software applications can plot it
>automatically on screen maps, as well as receive similar coded data from home
>based chase co-ordinators / helpers who are in a position to suck current data
>off the net, indeed, the chaser could probably do the same himself.  The 
>use of
>voice between chasers would seem to offer limited utility.

The beauty of amateur comms is any mode can be used.  However, I'd caution 
against the use of packet radio.  The problem is that under chasing 
environments (i.e. with fat CGs going off nearby), corruption of packets is 
highly probably, due to higher HF noise levels.  You'd be better off using 
Pactor, which is designed for HF conditions.  The problem here is you're 
after an expensive box to make it work.

Other non voice modes such as slow scan television may be useful to relay 
pictures and radar images.  SSTV is an analogue system and is quite robust 
(a noise burst will usually only cause a few speckles on the picture).

VHF is one area where data will be useful.  VHF packet gear is cheap, and 
ex commercial VHF radios are cheap also.  The limited range of VHF is less 
of a problem for data.  One can have someone park on a nearby hill and act 
as a "digipeater" to link chasers to the rest of the network.

APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) is one data facility that I see 
having a lot of potential.  APRS can keep track of mobile stations 
automatically, and those with access to suitable data (e.g. BoM radar) can 
add the position of objects of interest to the APRS map data, which can be 
displayed in the field on a laptop.  The mobiles could do that as 
well.  Put the location of that supercell onto our maps, so we can see 
where it is! :-)  APRS may also give rise to the phenomenon of "armchair 
chasing", and anyone can get a "read only" connection to an APRS "IGate", 
and watch the data on their screen...  I can just imagine the convos on 
#Weather! :-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Dont forget, docco on storm chasers on channel 7 tonight at 7.30,
footage looks great!
Show is called "Tornado Alley", one to be taped! (i cant doh!)

Matt Smith

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At 07:03 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Dont forget, docco on storm chasers on channel 7 tonight at 7.30,
>footage looks great!
>Show is called "Tornado Alley", one to be taped! (i cant doh!)

Unfortunately, this is only on in regional areas.  Melbourne and Sydney 
metro have different programming...  Anyone able to record it?  (and even 
better, convert to DivX? :) ).

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At 06:14 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>VHF and UHF

I forgot to mention that VHF and UHF often exhibit enhanced propagation 
when we get a monster high on top of us.  Being able to work Tasmania from 
a handheld while wandering along the beach at Torquay helps any SDS one may 
have... :)  Gives one something to do when we get a blocking high in the 
wrong place. :-)

There is actually an index called the Hepburn index, which is a prediction 
of VHF/UHF propagation conditions, based on available weather data.

http://www.iprimus.ca/~hepburnw/dx/hti.htm for info on the Hepburn index.

And for Aus/NZ Hepburn predictions...

http://www.iprimus.ca/~hepburnw/tropo_aus.html

Hrmm, maybe I should be trying to contact Tassie, instead of typing away on 
a mailing list...  the figures are up for tonight.  This is the silver 
lining of a high. :-)

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Ahh ok tony i didnt know!

It was sensational! Had heaps of footage from Roger Hill and Jeoff Piotrowski
(sp), lots of footage from the last 2 years (lots you will recognise if you
keep up with US chaser reports) and the last part of the program concentrated
on the May 3 99 outbreak.. all in all, in my top 3 of wx/storm docco's!

Matt Smith

"Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" wrote:

> At 07:03 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Dont forget, docco on storm chasers on channel 7 tonight at 7.30,
> >footage looks great!
> >Show is called "Tornado Alley", one to be taped! (i cant doh!)
>
> Unfortunately, this is only on in regional areas.  Melbourne and Sydney
> metro have different programming...  Anyone able to record it?  (and even
> better, convert to DivX? :) ).
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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To any New Zealanders on this list, this is to let you know that there is a
NZ Weather forum at
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Hi Peoples,

I wasn't home and missed the doco
Did anyone get it on vid?


Rgds
Max

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Ahh ok tony i didnt know!

It was sensational! Had heaps of footage from Roger Hill and Jeoff
Piotrowski
(sp), lots of footage from the last 2 years (lots you will recognise if
you
keep up with US chaser reports) and the last part of the program
concentrated
on the May 3 99 outbreak.. all in all, in my top 3 of wx/storm docco's!

Matt Smith

"Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" wrote:

> At 07:03 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Dont forget, docco on storm chasers on channel 7 tonight at 7.30,
> >footage looks great!
> >Show is called "Tornado Alley", one to be taped! (i cant doh!)
>
> Unfortunately, this is only on in regional areas.  Melbourne and
Sydney
> metro have different programming...  Anyone able to record it?  (and
even
> better, convert to DivX? :) ).
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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At 08:36 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Ahh ok tony i didnt know!
>
>It was sensational! Had heaps of footage from Roger Hill and Jeoff Piotrowski
>(sp), lots of footage from the last 2 years (lots you will recognise if you
>keep up with US chaser reports) and the last part of the program concentrated
>on the May 3 99 outbreak.. all in all, in my top 3 of wx/storm docco's!

Sounds like we missed out big time. :-(  I would love to see it... bloody 
TV networks. :-(

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At 06:14 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>40 metres (7 MHz).  Reduced D layer absorption and more efficient mobile 
>antennas make this band quite useful for regional mobile work.  Mobile to 
>base contacts of 500km are easily achieved (as mentioned, I had no 
>problems maintaining contact with friends in Melbourne from anywhere in 
>Tasmania - including central Hobart and the bottom of the Franklin River 
>valley - which has 45 degree sides), and mobile to mobile contacts up to a 
>few hundred km are not hard to achieve either.  At night, the range of 40 
>metres increases considerably also, but shorter distances may be better 
>covered on 80 metres.


So I think the best use is to have a variety of frequencies covered or is 
that affected by licencing?

I like the 7 Mhz which I think was part of the band Glen told me about and 
I could hear clearly over the phone what the other person was saying!!!! So 
if we chose this band, is it generally the easiest? Please do not get too 
technical for us novices:))))) Just recommendations as to whether it is the 
most feasible in terms of getting one unit, and licensing.

And Peter, as to using the packet radio concept for transmitting of data, I 
heard it is particularly slow? I am more interested in voice at this stage 
if what data transfer is very slow.

Jimmy Deguara

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
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NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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At 09:21 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>So I think the best use is to have a variety of frequencies covered or is 
>that affected by licencing?

Ideally a range of frequencies.   Lower for night, higher for daytime, but 
7 MHz is a good starting point.

>I like the 7 Mhz which I think was part of the band Glen told me about and 
>I could hear clearly over the phone what the other person was saying!!!! 
>So if we chose this band, is it generally the easiest? Please do not get 
>too technical for us novices:))))) Just recommendations as to whether it 
>is the most feasible in terms of getting one unit, and licensing.

That sounds like 7 MHz. :-)

As for licencing, I don't know the ins and outs of a commercial style 
licence - that would be rather expensive in terms of both licencing and 
equipment.  The other alternative is the amateur licence, since weather 
spotting falls into the "public service" part of amateur radio.  The 
downside here is you need to pass exams in radio theory, regulations and 
(for the next couple of years, at least), slow Morse Code.  I'm one of the 
tutors for our club's study courses.

>And Peter, as to using the packet radio concept for transmitting of data, 
>I heard it is particularly slow? I am more interested in voice at this 
>stage if what data transfer is very slow.

Packet has its place.  Should show you APRS one day. :-)

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Hi Tony,

I am quite reluctant to go on a course and to learn morse code personally 
and is why I don't really want to get involved in the amateur radio 
network. I am more interested in communicating long distances about storms 
and getting updates from bases. Well that's me I suppose - how about 
others' opinions?

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:00 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>At 09:21 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
>>So I think the best use is to have a variety of frequencies covered or is 
>>that affected by licencing?
>
>Ideally a range of frequencies.   Lower for night, higher for daytime, but 
>7 MHz is a good starting point.
>
>>I like the 7 Mhz which I think was part of the band Glen told me about 
>>and I could hear clearly over the phone what the other person was 
>>saying!!!! So if we chose this band, is it generally the easiest? Please 
>>do not get too technical for us novices:))))) Just recommendations as to 
>>whether it is the most feasible in terms of getting one unit, and licensing.
>
>That sounds like 7 MHz. :-)
>
>As for licencing, I don't know the ins and outs of a commercial style 
>licence - that would be rather expensive in terms of both licencing and 
>equipment.  The other alternative is the amateur licence, since weather 
>spotting falls into the "public service" part of amateur radio.  The 
>downside here is you need to pass exams in radio theory, regulations and 
>(for the next couple of years, at least), slow Morse Code.  I'm one of the 
>tutors for our club's study courses.
>
>>And Peter, as to using the packet radio concept for transmitting of data, 
>>I heard it is particularly slow? I am more interested in voice at this 
>>stage if what data transfer is very slow.
>
>Packet has its place.  Should show you APRS one day. :-)
>
>73 de Tony, VK3JED
>http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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At 10:15 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Hi Tony,
>
>I am quite reluctant to go on a course and to learn morse code personally 
>and is why I don't really want to get involved in the amateur radio 
>network. I am more interested in communicating long distances about storms 
>and getting updates from bases. Well that's me I suppose - how about 
>others' opinions?

Well, the other avenue is a commercial frequency.  The ACA would be your 
best bet to contact.  Might be worth making contact with the RFDS and 
VKS-737 operators as well.  I don't know if weather reporting would fall 
within the charter of their radio networks.

I have no idea what a few HF land mobile frequencies costs, but the ACA 
should be able to help you on this.

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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: CB radios on special
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Already have been in contact and have application forms from them Tony.
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----- Original Message -----
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> At 10:15 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Tony,
> >
> >I am quite reluctant to go on a course and to learn morse code personally
> >and is why I don't really want to get involved in the amateur radio
> >network. I am more interested in communicating long distances about
storms
> >and getting updates from bases. Well that's me I suppose - how about
> >others' opinions?
>
> Well, the other avenue is a commercial frequency.  The ACA would be your
> best bet to contact.  Might be worth making contact with the RFDS and
> VKS-737 operators as well.  I don't know if weather reporting would fall
> within the charter of their radio networks.
>
> I have no idea what a few HF land mobile frequencies costs, but the ACA
> should be able to help you on this.
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
>


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4wdrn have 5 channels ranging from 3995khz to 14977khz with base stations
all over the country. The licensing (per radio I think) for them is $66 per
year for an affiliated group and $77 for a non affiliated group. Their setup
was originally for anyone whos car may break down or have a medical
emergency way out beyond the blackstump. But it is for general licensed use
now. I have heard a few people on the network but in general it is fairly
quiete which means we should nearly always be able to get through.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: CB radios on special


> At 06:14 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >40 metres (7 MHz).  Reduced D layer absorption and more efficient mobile
> >antennas make this band quite useful for regional mobile work.  Mobile to
> >base contacts of 500km are easily achieved (as mentioned, I had no
> >problems maintaining contact with friends in Melbourne from anywhere in
> >Tasmania - including central Hobart and the bottom of the Franklin River
> >valley - which has 45 degree sides), and mobile to mobile contacts up to
a
> >few hundred km are not hard to achieve either.  At night, the range of 40
> >metres increases considerably also, but shorter distances may be better
> >covered on 80 metres.
>
>
> So I think the best use is to have a variety of frequencies covered or is
> that affected by licencing?
>
> I like the 7 Mhz which I think was part of the band Glen told me about and
> I could hear clearly over the phone what the other person was saying!!!!
So
> if we chose this band, is it generally the easiest? Please do not get too
> technical for us novices:))))) Just recommendations as to whether it is
the
> most feasible in terms of getting one unit, and licensing.
>
> And Peter, as to using the packet radio concept for transmitting of data,
I
> heard it is particularly slow? I am more interested in voice at this stage
> if what data transfer is very slow.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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I also forgot to mention that I don't think the 4wdrn requires a test.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: CB radios on special


> Hi Tony,
>
> I am quite reluctant to go on a course and to learn morse code personally
> and is why I don't really want to get involved in the amateur radio
> network. I am more interested in communicating long distances about storms
> and getting updates from bases. Well that's me I suppose - how about
> others' opinions?
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 10:00 PM 5/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >At 09:21 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> >>So I think the best use is to have a variety of frequencies covered or
is
> >>that affected by licencing?
> >
> >Ideally a range of frequencies.   Lower for night, higher for daytime,
but
> >7 MHz is a good starting point.
> >
> >>I like the 7 Mhz which I think was part of the band Glen told me about
> >>and I could hear clearly over the phone what the other person was
> >>saying!!!! So if we chose this band, is it generally the easiest? Please
> >>do not get too technical for us novices:))))) Just recommendations as to
> >>whether it is the most feasible in terms of getting one unit, and
licensing.
> >
> >That sounds like 7 MHz. :-)
> >
> >As for licencing, I don't know the ins and outs of a commercial style
> >licence - that would be rather expensive in terms of both licencing and
> >equipment.  The other alternative is the amateur licence, since weather
> >spotting falls into the "public service" part of amateur radio.  The
> >downside here is you need to pass exams in radio theory, regulations and
> >(for the next couple of years, at least), slow Morse Code.  I'm one of
the
> >tutors for our club's study courses.
> >
> >>And Peter, as to using the packet radio concept for transmitting of
data,
> >>I heard it is particularly slow? I am more interested in voice at this
> >>stage if what data transfer is very slow.
> >
> >Packet has its place.  Should show you APRS one day. :-)
> >
> >73 de Tony, VK3JED
> >http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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Corruption is the word I was just about to say. I purchased a Kenwood TS/TK?
670 from Wyong Field Day this year which can do anywhere from 500khz -
29.990Mhz then the 6m band, it was a 86 model I think, the frequencies apart
from 10m - 6m jump are unbroken so is usefull for both 27mhz and hf for
$450. The unit is in the car with a bit of everything from road & marine cb
to Anderson Air Force Base in America. Even though the unit is old it has
made me happy and I would never own a straight 27mhz cb after it. It also
has a channel & frequency scan.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" <vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: CB radios on special


> At 04:46 PM 5/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Data or voice ?  The thought occured to me that HF data packet would be
> >the way
> >to go.  I don't think voice would be sensible in the long run if a
network
> >were
> >set up.  As most people who were interested would spend a few hundred on
a
> >radio come laptop setup using second hand (probably) ameteur gear, the
> >possibility exists for a chaser to be able to transmit position data and
> >reports in text formatted so that some software applications can plot it
> >automatically on screen maps, as well as receive similar coded data from
home
> >based chase co-ordinators / helpers who are in a position to suck current
data
> >off the net, indeed, the chaser could probably do the same himself.  The
> >use of
> >voice between chasers would seem to offer limited utility.
>
> The beauty of amateur comms is any mode can be used.  However, I'd caution
> against the use of packet radio.  The problem is that under chasing
> environments (i.e. with fat CGs going off nearby), corruption of packets
is
> highly probably, due to higher HF noise levels.  You'd be better off using
> Pactor, which is designed for HF conditions.  The problem here is you're
> after an expensive box to make it work.
>
> Other non voice modes such as slow scan television may be useful to relay
> pictures and radar images.  SSTV is an analogue system and is quite robust
> (a noise burst will usually only cause a few speckles on the picture).
>
> VHF is one area where data will be useful.  VHF packet gear is cheap, and
> ex commercial VHF radios are cheap also.  The limited range of VHF is less
> of a problem for data.  One can have someone park on a nearby hill and act
> as a "digipeater" to link chasers to the rest of the network.
>
> APRS (Automatic Position Reporting System) is one data facility that I see
> having a lot of potential.  APRS can keep track of mobile stations
> automatically, and those with access to suitable data (e.g. BoM radar) can
> add the position of objects of interest to the APRS map data, which can be
> displayed in the field on a laptop.  The mobiles could do that as
> well.  Put the location of that supercell onto our maps, so we can see
> where it is! :-)  APRS may also give rise to the phenomenon of "armchair
> chasing", and anyone can get a "read only" connection to an APRS "IGate",
> and watch the data on their screen...  I can just imagine the convos on
> #Weather! :-)
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
>


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That is correct, but since a few buildings have been burned down, don't
blink or you will miss it. I am always spending my time in Forster or Taree
rather than here, it is boring as all hell.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May 4


> From memory, Krambach is roughly halfway between Taree and Gloucester,
> but I haven't been up through that neck of the woods in at least thirty
> years.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Simon Clarke" <simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:53:57 +1000
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May  4
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Again I agree, Unless this is particularly interesting to the list then
> > it
> > should not be posted.
> >
> > I had previously asked where the hell Kramach is and received no reply
> > - so
> > the info is meaningless.
> >
> > (Also Paul - I agree personal life and relationship type topics should
> > kept
> > off the list - but please don't be too hard on someone going through a
> > hard
> > time - maybe the list is a help to them at the moment).
> >
> > Regards
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Bath" <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather Data 16:00:08 May 4
> >
> >
> > > Can we not receive so many of these a day please :)
> > >
> > >
> > > At 04:04 PM 4/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >FreeWX 16:00:08
> > > >T:+18.4C H:80% Bar:1017hPa,Falling Wgst:Calm,078 Wavg:Calm,075
> > > >DP:+14.9C WC:+18C HIx:n.a. Rain:0mm/hour Tin:+25.8C Hin:57%
> > > >
> > > >****************************************************
> > > >
> > > >Weather Observations For Krambach, NSW, Australia
> > > >****************************************************
> > > >Weather Conditions at 16:00:08 May  4
> > > >
> > > >Temperature: +18.4 °C
> > > >Humidity: 80 %
> > > >Wind Speed (gust): Calm
> > > >Wind Speed (average 1 minute): Calm
> > > >Wind Direction: 078°
> > > >Wind Direction (average 1 minute): 075°
> > > >Barometer: 1017 hPa and Falling
> > > >Rainfall Rate: 0 mm/hour
> > > >Dew Point: +14.9 °C
> > > >Wind Chill: +18 °C
> > > >Heat Index: n.a.
> > > >Indoor Temperature: +25.8 °C
> > > >Indoor Humidity: 57 %
> > > >Wet Bulb Temperature: +16.2 °C
> > > >Wet Bulb Depression: +2.2 °C
> > > >Base Height of Cu Cloud: 437 meters. (1434 feet)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Extreme conditions today since 9.00 am
> > > >
> > > >Maximum Temperature: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> > > >Minimum Temperature: +16.3 °C at 13:40
> > > >Maximum Humidity: 92 % at 13:45
> > > >Minimum Humidity: 40 % at 11:48
> > > >Maximum Wind (gust): 9.8 KT, 14° at 13:24
> > > >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1021 hPa at 09:51
> > > >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1017 hPa at 16:00
> > > >Maximum Rainfall Rate: 32 mm/hour at 13:38
> > > >Rainfall today since 9.00 am: 7 mm
> > > >Maximum Dew Point: +17.8 °C at 09:25
> > > >Minimum Dew Point: +10.6 °C at 11:52
> > > >Minimum Wind Chill: +14 °C at 13:37
> > > >Maximum Heat Index: +26.8 °C at 11:48
> > > >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> > > >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Extreme conditions for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am
> > > >
> > > >Maximum Temperature: +26 °C at 11:08
> > > >Minimum Temperature: +13.4 °C at 21:42
> > > >Maximum Humidity: 100 % at 21:56
> > > >Minimum Humidity: 33 % at 14:06
> > > >Maximum Wind (gust): 8.9 KT, 106° at 14:34
> > > >Maximum Barometric Pressure: 1023 hPa at 11:06
> > > >Minimum Barometric Pressure: 1019 hPa at 05:51
> > > >Maximum Rainfall Rate:  nil
> > > >Rainfall for the 24 hours prior to 9.00 am: 0 mm
> > > >Maximum Dew Point: +16.1 °C at 09:09
> > > >Minimum Dew Point: +6.5 °C at 14:06
> > > >Minimum Wind Chill: +13 °C at 21:42
> > > >Maximum Heat Index: +26.1 °C at 11:08
> > > >Maximum Indoor Temperature: +27 °C at 12:46
> > > >Minimum Indoor Temperature: +22.6 °C at 09:21
> > > >
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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:28:51 +1000
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Got this from my brother - (works for Westpac) - this morning


Subject: FW: ATM Scam

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

The latest ATM scam involves  thieves putting a thin, clear, rigid
plastic 'sleeve' into the ATM  card slot. When you insert your card, the
machine can't read the  strip, so it keeps asking you to re-enter your
PIN number.

Meanwhile, someone behind you watches as you tap in your number.
Eventually you give up, thinking the machine has swallowed your card and
you walk away.

The thieves then remove the plastic sleeve complete with card, and empty
your account.

The way to avoid this is to run your finger along the card slot before
you put your card  in. The sleeve has a couple of tiny prongs that the
thieves need to get the  sleeve out of the slot, and you'll be able to
feel them.

The  police would like as many people as possible to be aware of this
scam, so pass this on to your friends.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS  MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.

Regards,
Trevor Morgan
ANZ Cash Management & Transaction Services
8th Floor
20 Martin Place,
Sydney, NSW 2000


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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Warning - ATM Scam
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Thankyou Peter.<BR>
<BR>
I recieved this last week myself but have only one problem with it.<BR>
Since the machine cannot read your card, it will not ask for your pin number.<BR>
One card of mine was swallowed without even asking for the number.. it just went, mind you this was a few years ago and ive since worked out that the card was expired.<BR>
<BR>
Nonetheless it is a warning to be heeded.<BR>
<BR>
Regards, Dale<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Got this from my brother - (works for Westpac) - this morning<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Subject: FW: ATM Scam<BR>
<BR>
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT<BR>
<BR>
The latest ATM scam involves &nbsp;thieves putting a thin, clear, rigid<BR>
plastic 'sleeve' into the ATM &nbsp;card slot. When you insert your card, the<BR>
machine can't read the &nbsp;strip, so it keeps asking you to re-enter your<BR>
PIN number.<BR>
<BR>
Meanwhile, someone behind you watches as you tap in your number.<BR>
Eventually you give up, thinking the machine has swallowed your card and<BR>
you walk away.<BR>
<BR>
The thieves then remove the plastic sleeve complete with card, and empty<BR>
your account.<BR>
<BR>
The way to avoid this is to run your finger along the card slot before<BR>
you put your card &nbsp;in. The sleeve has a couple of tiny prongs that the<BR>
thieves need to get the &nbsp;sleeve out of the slot, and you'll be able to<BR>
feel them.<BR>
<BR>
The &nbsp;police would like as many people as possible to be aware of this<BR>
scam, so pass this on to your friends.<BR>
<BR>
PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO AS &nbsp;MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.<BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
Trevor Morgan<BR>
ANZ Cash Management &amp; Transaction Services<BR>
8th Floor<BR>
20 Martin Place,<BR>
Sydney, NSW 2000<BR>
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Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 11:57:59 +1000
From: Paul Mirtschin <paul at nothingdesign.com.au>
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Peter Creswick Says:
> Got this from my brother - (works for Westpac) - this morning

A: It's a hoax.

B: It's not weather related

C: It's a worry when financial institutions fail to check facts that
are related to equipment they use/run.

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  Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174
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Kids, toys. Age is irrelevant.

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http://aviation-safety.net/database/2001/010706-1.htm

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It's not a hoax - I just rang the bank and checked.

Jane
---------------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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A: It's a hoax.

B: It's not weather related

C: It's a worry when financial institutions fail to check facts that
are related to equipment they use/run.

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Kids, toys. Age is irrelevant.

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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Northern Suburbs Sydney Monthly Rain
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:50:22 +1000
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Here at my place between Chatswood West & North Ryde on the Lane Cove River
I received around 29.3 mm in April.

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Thanks Jimmy and Geoff for the kind comments, and for everyone else that
attended the other night.  It was certainly a privilege to present a topic
that I have been interested in for some time now, and great to see so many
people turn up.

Regards,
Mal Ninnes



At 05:29 PM 5/5/02 +1000, you wrote:
>I second Jimmy's comments about last night's NSW meeting.
>
>In particular, Mal Ninnes' presentation on meteorological radar answered 
>some questions that I had in mind but had never had the time to look into. 
>Mal: well researched, excellent presentation and just well done all round. 
>You have raised the bar for ASWA technical presentations a notch or two.
>
>Thank you to all involved in last night's meeting. Let's maintain the 
>standard (and improve upon it in the future!)
>
>Geoff Thurtell
>
>At 12:17 AM 5/05/02 +1000, you wrote:
>>Well,
>>
>>If there was going to be a send off for the US for myself and Matt Piper, 
>>this meeting did it. We had 27 people attending breaking the previous 
>>record of late 2000. People who attended really enjoyed the variety (video 
>>and presentations) and the excellent talk by Mal Ninnes. Wow!!! It was 
>>done professionally easily pitched at a level where people can understand. 
>>Well done and thanks to all those who attended (even from Port Macquarie): 
>>that make a person's hard work more worthwhile. To me this represented the 
>>true spirit of ASWA. For those that didn't attend - well you missed out on 
>>a spectacle. Hope you can make it to future meetings.
>>
>>A very blown away Jimmy. The ASWA hats are quite nice too - will come in 
>>handy in the US.
>>
>>-----------------------------------------
>>Jimmy Deguara
>>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>>
>>from
>>Schofields, Sydney
>>NSW Australia
>>
>>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>>
>>Web Page with Michael Bath
>>
>>Australian Severe Weather Home Page
>>http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>>
>>President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:52:40 +1000 (EST)
From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: very dry cold air & earthquakes
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Err apologies if this email goes through twice, but it seems that this 
didn't get through the first time.....


Forgive me for being anal-retentive here.

> > > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent
> > > than usual, occurring in the Solomons(4.3mag on 2nd), 
> > > Tonga (4.7mag on 3rd) and Fiji (5.8mag on 4th) as well as one
> > > per day in NZ since April 29.
> > Really???  Looking at:
> > http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html
> > which shows the worldwide earthquakes over the past 30 days, shows for a
> > 3 day period in April during the middle of apogee (when the moon is
> > furthest from the earth):
> Sure. Pergiee and aopgee are interchangeable when it comes to triggering
> earthquakes. They both form the Apsidal Line.

I've plotted the number of earthquakes greater than or equal to mag 4 for
the Pacific area around NZ from April 5 to May 4 (data available here:
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/qed/qed.html ) on the following graph:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/april_earthquakes.jpg
(yeah I know, too much time on my hands)

After April 30, just subtract 30 to get days in May.
The times of lunar perigee (when the moon is closest to earth), and lunar 
apogee (moon furthest away) are also indicated, as obtained from: 
http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/pacalc.html

Note that in early May (on graph this corresponds to April 31,32,33,34)  
the number of earthquakes of mag 4 or more hasn't been extraordinarily
great.  In fact, it's been similar to the last 20 or so days, with 1-2 
earthquakes per day.  

However, in Ken's original post he said that "...large earthquakes
(magnitude greater than 4) in this Pacific area have been more prevalent
than usual...", and then mentions earthquakes that occurred in May (see 
start of this email).  
Ken, what data are you basing this sentence on????  1-2 earthquakes of mag
4 or larger in this whole region in a day doesn't sound all that more
prevalant, particularly considering the large peak in the number of  
earthquakes around apogee in April.  But in hindsight, I suppose you 
predicted that peak?

So if you're inaccurate with that sentence I pointed out above, how many
others have passed before this, and how many will follow???


Cheers

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Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
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Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:16:28 +1000
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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Unrelated to aussie weather, but more tornadoes have touched down in the
mid west USA.

Lots of chasers (including the likes of Tim Marshall and Carson Eads,
Sam Barricklow, Al Moller, Bobby Eddins etc etc) caught a tornado that
struck the south side of a town called "Happy", reports from wx-chase
say that Tim got up close and personal... and that some people in the
town may have died. Sirens sounded in the town 5 minutes before
touchdown, no doubt due to spotter reports on the ground. All have
described it as looking very much like the famous Pampa tornado.
Anyway keep an eye out on the news today/tomorrow, might be some great
up close footage.

Matt Smith

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At 08:29 AM 6/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Corruption is the word I was just about to say. I purchased a Kenwood TS/TK?
>670 from Wyong Field Day this year which can do anywhere from 500khz -
>29.990Mhz then the 6m band, it was a 86 model I think, the frequencies apart
>from 10m - 6m jump are unbroken so is usefull for both 27mhz and hf for
>$450. The unit is in the car with a bit of everything from road & marine cb
>to Anderson Air Force Base in America. Even though the unit is old it has
>made me happy and I would never own a straight 27mhz cb after it. It also
>has a channel & frequency scan.

Careful, I can see a problem here.  That radio sounds like an amateur 
radio.  If so, it is _NOT_ type approved for CB, 4WD or other HF networks, 
even though it is physically capable of transmitting there (with a minor 
modification).  While it might be OK in an emergency, if you're found with 
the radio installed and "operational" (connected to power and an antenna), 
there is the potential for a fine of up to around $10,000.

Type approved equipment is more expensive, but older crystal controlled HF 
radios for this kind of service can occasionally be found on the market.


73 de Tony, VK3JED
http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net

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>4wdrn have 5 channels ranging from 3995khz to 14977khz with base stations
>all over the country. The licensing (per radio I think) for them is $66 per
>year for an affiliated group and $77 for a non affiliated group. Their setup
>was originally for anyone whos car may break down or have a medical
>emergency way out beyond the blackstump. But it is for general licensed use
>now. I have heard a few people on the network but in general it is fairly
>quiete which means we should nearly always be able to get through.

This could be a good option.  You just have to check on the fine print on 
the licence.  However, it is the best option I've seen.  Probably for 
chasing, the channels between 3.995 and 10 MHz would be the most useful.

I don't know if you have to pass all traffic via an official base station, 
or if any of us would be allowed to setup our own base station, for direct 
passing of traffic.  Worth checking into, the devil can be in the detail. :)

On this subject, I've also posted a request for info into a generic radio 
mailing list, to see what others dig up.

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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At 12:17 PM 6/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:


>It's not a hoax - I just rang the bank and checked.

Hmm, it has been reported as a hoax in other forums...  I'd have to dig 
back through my other list mail...

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: More sunshine every day in Melbourne
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:53:46 +1000
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Evening all!!

An article in today's Melbourne Herald Sun discussed the warm start to
May, which is currently pushing the record.
The article pointed out that Melbourne's hours of daylight were also
above average for May!!

Worth keeping in mind if you travel to Melbourne - our days are getting
longer!!

Jane

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Walked out at lunch today into brilliant sunshine and thought that I had
spotted the cloud in the western sky. It was just a thin sliver of moon.

Neither the cloud or any of his/her family made an appearance in Wollongong
today.

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No offence Jane but i always thought you guys/gals down there were backwards :)~<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Evening all!!<BR>
<BR>
An article in today's Melbourne Herald Sun discussed the warm start to<BR>
May, which is currently pushing the record.<BR>
The article pointed out that Melbourne's hours of daylight were also<BR>
above average for May!!<BR>
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Worth keeping in mind if you travel to Melbourne - our days are getting<BR>
longer!!<BR>
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Jane<BR>
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From: "John Graham" <gorzzzz at dingoblue.net.au>
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> Hi Peoples,
>
> I wasn't home and missed the doco
> Did anyone get it on vid?
>
>
> Rgds
> Max
>
Same this way.....missed the start due to a demanding 2 y.o :((...can I get
a copy off someone??

Thanks
John from Ballina

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Hi Robert and all
> > > > large earthquakes in this Pacific area have been more prevalent
> > > > than usual..
> I've plotted the number of earthquakes greater than or equal to mag 4 for
> the Pacific area around NZ from April 5 to May 4
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/april_earthquakes.jpg
> (yeah I know, too much time on my hands)
> Note that in early May (on graph this corresponds to April 31,32,33,34)
> the number of earthquakes of mag 4 or more hasn't been extraordinarily
> great.  In fact, it's been similar to the last 20 or so days, with 1-2
> earthquakes per day.
I suppose it depends on how one wants to look at the data. Let's just look
at NZ. In the last 20 days, that is, leading up to today,  16 significant
earthquakes have occurred in NZ alone.  9 have been since onset of perigee
on April 26th, which is a 10 day period. That's 9 out of the 16 which is
more than half. Before April 26th the bext back shake was in Taupo on April
21st. 4 have occurred in just the last 2 days. On average that would be 2
per day so for the 20 days should have been 40 if those occurring over
southern declination were not more than normal.

> So if you're inaccurate with that sentence I pointed out above, how many
> others have passed before this, and how many will follow???
I think I've just shown that I wasn't inaccurate. More have occurred in the
last few days than normal. That's all I actually said. I have taken your
figure of 20 days and shown the recent ones to be in the greater number
since southern declination began. There is no other window over the past 20
or even 30 days that have seen 4 to have occurred in 2 days. I  guess
accuracy is in the eye of the beholder. Surely 4 in 2 days (which has not
occurred since February 13th) represents "more prevalent than usual".

regards
Ken Ring
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I've managed to scan some of my weather photos from the last year or so.

I've uploaded some of these photos to my geocities site. It needs a lot of 
development (it's still in the virtual directory format!), which will 
hopefully occur over the next few months.

These three photos here are my favourites. I'll let you guys look at them 
and give me the verdict!!

http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_3.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_5.jpg

Feel free to look at some of the others on there as well.

I've got some radar loops of this particular storm which i'll upload in the 
next day or so.

Enjoy!!

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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Convective (Cu) Cloud
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Question.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My weather station (WM-918)&nbsp;has a display 
where it shows the "base hight of convective (Cu) cloud above local ground" 
shown in meters (&amp; feet).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does that mean the hight a cloud has to 
be&nbsp;before rain will fall?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And&nbsp;how does the weather station go about 
in&nbsp;coming to that hight?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Wet bulb question
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi again :) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another question..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is the "wet bulb temperature" the min. temperature 
the air can hold water at that point in&nbsp;time?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what does the "wet bulb depression" mean? 
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:?</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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{: O  WOW !!!

Awesome photos.. 

Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)

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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: A false ' the cloud ' sighting.
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it's over here!!! i saw it this afternoon on top of  a heap of smoke.

Thunda Hunta


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> Walked out at lunch today into brilliant sunshine and thought that I had
> spotted the cloud in the western sky. It was just a thin sliver of moon.
>
> Neither the cloud or any of his/her family made an appearance in
Wollongong
> today.
>
> Michael
>
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet bulb question
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:37:02 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi stargazer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This question caused me a problem many years ago, 
so I went out and bought a wet bulb thermometer and played around with it i.e. I 
put tap water into the res, then distilled water even salt water and alcohol! 
and there were variations in the wet bulb temp for each, its a good way to see 
how a wet bulb works, what the wet bulb is showing is the amount of evaporation 
from the lint&nbsp; i.e. the more evaporation the greater the departure from the 
dry bulb temp and with both you can work out the dew point and relative 
humidity.If&nbsp;the ambient air is moist there is less evaporation from the dry 
bulb and so the wet and dry bulb will be closer&nbsp; in their respective 
readings and hence higher humidity. regards Clyve Herbert.</FONT></DIV>
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  title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au>Stargazer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi again :) </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another question..</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  temperature the air can hold water at that point in&nbsp;time?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what does the "wet bulb depression" mean? 
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: aus-wx: Lightning ...
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Well you know the storm season is over when you properly get the chance to
go through your footage and photos for the season.

I have put below two captures of a lightning strike that occurred opposite
to me at a park in St Ives (Sydney). The day is December 3 2001 and many
high based storms moved through the city , this one causing a huge amount of
damage to the North Shore thanks to the microburst winds accompanying it

The first capture is of what I'm sure is a Lightning feeler .. the scary
part being that it is less than 200 metres away:
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning1.JPG

The second capture is of the main strike that ended up connecting to another
feeler on the other side of the trees:
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning2.JPG

I hadn't seen the footage slowed down before until now and find it quite
fascinating just how things happen in the lead up before the main strike
occurs.

A Video of the Flang can be found at :
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/flang1.avi  (WARNING -
Its a big file .. I'm still learning how to make it smaller)



James Harris
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks Clyve</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=mesof5 at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:mesof5 at iprimus.com.au">Clyve 
  Herbert</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 06, 2002 10:07 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Wet bulb 
  question</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi stargazer.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This question caused me a problem many years ago, 
  so I went out and bought a wet bulb thermometer and played around with it i.e. 
  I put tap water into the res, then distilled water even salt water and 
  alcohol! and there were variations in the wet bulb temp for each, its a good 
  way to see how a wet bulb works, what the wet bulb is showing is the amount of 
  evaporation from the lint&nbsp; i.e. the more evaporation the greater the 
  departure from the dry bulb temp and with both you can work out the dew point 
  and relative humidity.If&nbsp;the ambient air is moist there is less 
  evaporation from the dry bulb and so the wet and dry bulb will be closer&nbsp; 
  in their respective readings and hence higher humidity. regards Clyve 
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet bulb question
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 00:30:28 +0930
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<DIV>Been reading some more.. I should try that more often ...&nbsp; lol</DIV>
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<DIV>Regs. Paul.</DIV>
<DIV>(Stargazer)</DIV>
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<DIV>Taken from FreeWX&nbsp; FAQ</DIV>
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<DIV>·&nbsp;Wet-Bulb Temperature</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Wet-bulb temperature is the temperature that would be measured by an 
ordinary liquid-in-glass thermometer with (1) water on its liquid-reservoir 
"bulb" (the "wet bulb"); and (2) air blowing steadily past it. It is the lowest 
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<DIV>·&nbsp;Wet-Bulb Depression</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Is the difference between the wet-bulb temperature and the outside 
(dry-bulb) temperature.</DIV>
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  <A title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au 
  href="mailto:stargazer at picknowl.com.au">Stargazer</A> </DIV>
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  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">Aussie-Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 06, 2002 9:15 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Wet bulb question</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi again :) </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Another question..</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is the "wet bulb temperature" the min. 
  temperature the air can hold water at that point in&nbsp;time?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And what does the "wet bulb depression" mean? 
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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<DIV>Hehe.. it's funny what u can find out if u read the instructions 
first&nbsp;- Doh!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>:)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regs. Paul.</DIV>
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<DIV>·&nbsp;Base height of convective cloud</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As a parcel of air rises (convection), it expands in the lowering air 
pressure, causing it to cool and reducing its ability to hold moisture. At some 
point the moisture in the air exceeds that which can be held, forcing the water 
vapor to condense, forming clouds. Given the current dew point and temperature 
it is possible to calculate the altitude at which this condensation 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Convective (Cu) 
  Cloud</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Question.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My weather station (WM-918)&nbsp;has a display 
  where it shows the "base hight of convective (Cu) cloud above local ground" 
  shown in meters (&amp; feet).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does that mean the hight a cloud has to 
  be&nbsp;before rain will fall?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And&nbsp;how does the weather station go about 
  in&nbsp;coming to that hight?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
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That is strange, approximately 0530AEST this morning, i thought i had a sighting of the cloud so i ran back inside work to get my camera. As i came outside again, what i had thought to be the cloud was still there and it then changed its appearance.<BR>
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This was when i realised that it was a condensation plume from the factory across the road.<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>it's over here!!! i saw it this afternoon on top of &nbsp;a heap of smoke.<BR>
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&gt; Walked out at lunch today into brilliant sunshine and thought that I had<BR>
&gt; spotted the cloud in the western sky. It was just a thin sliver of moon.<BR>
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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I don't think base stations are "officially" allowed, but if it was licensed
and treated as a  mobile but is really a base, noone is really the wiser
about it. I have heard units talking without the base station so it seems to
be an open net group.
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> At 08:34 AM 6/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >4wdrn have 5 channels ranging from 3995khz to 14977khz with base stations
> >all over the country. The licensing (per radio I think) for them is $66
per
> >year for an affiliated group and $77 for a non affiliated group. Their
setup
> >was originally for anyone whos car may break down or have a medical
> >emergency way out beyond the blackstump. But it is for general licensed
use
> >now. I have heard a few people on the network but in general it is fairly
> >quiete which means we should nearly always be able to get through.
>
> This could be a good option.  You just have to check on the fine print on
> the licence.  However, it is the best option I've seen.  Probably for
> chasing, the channels between 3.995 and 10 MHz would be the most useful.
>
> I don't know if you have to pass all traffic via an official base station,
> or if any of us would be allowed to setup our own base station, for direct
> passing of traffic.  Worth checking into, the devil can be in the detail.
:)
>
> On this subject, I've also posted a request for info into a generic radio
> mailing list, to see what others dig up.
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
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Yeah, it is an amateur radio modified for the lot. I am just not stupid
enough to stuff around too much with it. As one of the RI's himself told me,
"If you act like a normal citizen and behave yourself, we don't know you
have it". So rather than transmitting all over the commercial and defence
force frequencies, I only listen and keep 1mhz either side of 27mhz and any
other licenses I may pick up later.
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> At 08:29 AM 6/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Corruption is the word I was just about to say. I purchased a Kenwood
TS/TK?
> >670 from Wyong Field Day this year which can do anywhere from 500khz -
> >29.990Mhz then the 6m band, it was a 86 model I think, the frequencies
apart
> >from 10m - 6m jump are unbroken so is usefull for both 27mhz and hf for
> >$450. The unit is in the car with a bit of everything from road & marine
cb
> >to Anderson Air Force Base in America. Even though the unit is old it has
> >made me happy and I would never own a straight 27mhz cb after it. It also
> >has a channel & frequency scan.
>
> Careful, I can see a problem here.  That radio sounds like an amateur
> radio.  If so, it is _NOT_ type approved for CB, 4WD or other HF networks,
> even though it is physically capable of transmitting there (with a minor
> modification).  While it might be OK in an emergency, if you're found with
> the radio installed and "operational" (connected to power and an antenna),
> there is the potential for a fine of up to around $10,000.
>
> Type approved equipment is more expensive, but older crystal controlled HF
> radios for this kind of service can occasionally be found on the market.
>
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
>


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> Surely 4 in 2 days (which has not
> occurred since February 13th) represents "more prevalent than usual".
Make that 7 in the last 3 days in NZ as we head into tomorrow morning's
apogee.
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At least it works for someone!!

Last night and this morning they've been available one minute, and unable to 
be accessed the next!!

Here's hoping it works for everyone.


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{: O  WOW !!!

Awesome photos..

Regs. Paul.
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It certainly worked for myself last night and i am most impressed by those.
Great work =)

Footnote:
Geocities has been up and down all weekend, maintenance and moving their
servers.




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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:58:13 +1000 (EST)
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Hey James

Great shots.  Unfortunately, if you compare the 'feeler' with the actual
bolt, you'll see that it is just a reflection.  If you look at the top
half of the actual bolt and compare it with the feeler, you'll see that
they have the same shape, including the gap caused by the branch(?).  The 
strange thing of course is that they occur on different frames, but I'm 
sure someone else will explain that one.

On Tue, 7 May 2002, James Harris wrote:

> The first capture is of what I'm sure is a Lightning feeler .. the scary
> part being that it is less than 200 metres away:
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning1.JPG
> 
> The second capture is of the main strike that ended up connecting to another
> feeler on the other side of the trees:
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning2.JPG
> 



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Hi Dale,

I got an email about the maitenance late last week from Yahoo and left the 
uploading till last night. As you've said, its still a bit up and down now.

David Sercombe
Coffs Harbour NE NSW

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From: "nandina morris" <nandina at alphalink.com.au>
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David, your photographs are sensational - but you need to know I am no
expert.
You would like a rating - OK - from the value of weather drama - No 1.
But for sheer artistry and composition, No 2.

(There's nothing wrong with No 3, either, especially when the blueness of
'ordinary sky' merges with the magic of the colors.)

Well done!
Cheers,

Nandina
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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:07 PM
Subject: aus-wx: My Coffs Harbour weather photos!


> I've managed to scan some of my weather photos from the last year or so.
>
> I've uploaded some of these photos to my geocities site. It needs a lot of
> development (it's still in the virtual directory format!), which will
> hopefully occur over the next few months.
>
> These three photos here are my favourites. I'll let you guys look at them
> and give me the verdict!!
>
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_3.jpg
>
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_4.jpg
>
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_5.jpg
>
> Feel free to look at some of the others on there as well.
>
> I've got some radar loops of this particular storm which i'll upload in
the
> next day or so.
>
> Enjoy!!
>
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Melbourne - second-hottest May day on record
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Melbourne has reached 28.1 so far today (as of 3.30). This is the
second-highest May temperature on record, after 28.7 on 7 May 1905.

It is still not impossible that it could get higher, although the
chances of reaching 28.7 are small (there's another chance tomorrow,
though).

I expect that numerous records have been broken in western Victoria.

Blair
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:38 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is 
starting to show upper vorticity just off the tip of&nbsp; Fraser island. There 
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Clyve. Hmmmm least it somethink,it been so quite lateley maybe we mite get 
some storm out of this system.

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>Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:38 +1000
>
>Hi all.
>A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is starting to show upper 
>vorticity just off the tip of  Fraser island. There also seems to be an 
>upper cold pool associated with this system which extends westward over 
>central QLD worth a watch on this wildcard. regards Clyve H.


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Subject: aus-wx: Landspout touches down in NE NSW - 07/05/02!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clyve</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I noticed this also - but which way will it move if 
it does indeed form&nbsp;a surface low ?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is 
  starting to show upper vorticity just off the tip of&nbsp; Fraser island. 
  There also seems to be an upper cold pool associated with this system which 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning ...
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:13:09 +1000
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Hi Robert,

The reflection theory was the first thing that crossed my mind when I looked
at the footage , however as it was different frames I naturally thought it
couldn't be !
Oh well I've learnt something new  !

James


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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:58 AM
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>
> Hey James
>
> Great shots.  Unfortunately, if you compare the 'feeler' with the actual
> bolt, you'll see that it is just a reflection.  If you look at the top
> half of the actual bolt and compare it with the feeler, you'll see that
> they have the same shape, including the gap caused by the branch(?).  The
> strange thing of course is that they occur on different frames, but I'm
> sure someone else will explain that one.
>
> On Tue, 7 May 2002, James Harris wrote:
>
> > The first capture is of what I'm sure is a Lightning feeler .. the scary
> > part being that it is less than 200 metres away:
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning1.JPG
> >
> > The second capture is of the main strike that ended up connecting to
another
> > feeler on the other side of the trees:
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning2.JPG
> >
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
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Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 18:18:47 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hey David,

Wow - these photos are awesome!!!!!!!  When were they taken????

AC

David Sercombe wrote:
> 
> I've managed to scan some of my weather photos from the last year or so.
> 
> I've uploaded some of these photos to my geocities site. It needs a lot of
> development (it's still in the virtual directory format!), which will
> hopefully occur over the next few months.
> 
> These three photos here are my favourites. I'll let you guys look at them
> and give me the verdict!!
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_3.jpg
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_4.jpg
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_5.jpg
> 
> Feel free to look at some of the others on there as well.
> 
> I've got some radar loops of this particular storm which i'll upload in the
> next day or so.
> 
> Enjoy!!
> 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jason,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was just checking back and saw this .I have a 
Maximum anolog Wind Gauge as well as an electronic Wx Station from Maximum Inc. 
The anolog gauge shows real time wind speed&nbsp; and has a max Gust Indicator 
.It also shows wind dirction with LED&nbsp; display on the dial. Very robust and 
reliable. Needs power for the direction part. I have had this since 1998 and the 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>details can be sent on request</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jason,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was just checking back and saw this .I have a 
  Maximum anolog Wind Gauge as well as an electronic Wx Station from Maximum 
  Inc. The anolog gauge shows real time wind speed&nbsp; and has a max Gust 
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  Very robust and reliable. Needs power for the direction part. I have had this 
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Hi James,

Upon watching the video, I recall thinking it was reflection as well but 
was not sure as I would have had to see it several times.

Not trying to divert away from your photograph, but there was an incredibly 
wierd reflection on one of the US lightning shots. It was wierd because it 
was on a horizontal sideways scale ie the lightning seemed to strike next 
to the car but I think refraction from the side window as well as possible 
reflection in the camera meant to had to go frame by frame to determine 
that it was not along the side.

Yes it is an interesting thing with video cameras.

Jimmy Deguara

At 06:13 PM 7/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Robert,
>
>The reflection theory was the first thing that crossed my mind when I looked
>at the footage , however as it was different frames I naturally thought it
>couldn't be !
>Oh well I've learnt something new  !
>
>James
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Goler" <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:58 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Lightning ...
>
>
> >
> > Hey James
> >
> > Great shots.  Unfortunately, if you compare the 'feeler' with the actual
> > bolt, you'll see that it is just a reflection.  If you look at the top
> > half of the actual bolt and compare it with the feeler, you'll see that
> > they have the same shape, including the gap caused by the branch(?).  The
> > strange thing of course is that they occur on different frames, but I'm
> > sure someone else will explain that one.
> >
> > On Tue, 7 May 2002, James Harris wrote:
> >
> > > The first capture is of what I'm sure is a Lightning feeler .. the scary
> > > part being that it is less than 200 metres away:
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning1.JPG
> > >
> > > The second capture is of the main strike that ended up connecting to
>another
> > > feeler on the other side of the trees:
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/James/2001/lightning2.JPG
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
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> >
> > Robert A. Goler
> >
> > School of Mathematical Sciences
> > PO Box 28M
> > Monash University
> > Clayton, Vic 3800
> > Australia
> >
> > ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> > email: Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
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At 08:27 AM 7/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>I don't think base stations are "officially" allowed, but if it was licensed
>and treated as a  mobile but is really a base, noone is really the wiser
>about it. I have heard units talking without the base station so it seems to
>be an open net group.

This could be interesting and worthwhile looking into.

Here's the conditions of use.

http://www.vks737.on.net/Conditions%20Web.pdf

And the home page.

http://www.vks737.on.net



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At 03:35 PM 7/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Melbourne has reached 28.1 so far today (as of 3.30). This is the
>second-highest May temperature on record, after 28.7 on 7 May 1905.
>
>It is still not impossible that it could get higher, although the
>chances of reaching 28.7 are small (there's another chance tomorrow,
>though).
>
>I expect that numerous records have been broken in western Victoria.

It was an amazing day.  In between work, I followed the ups and downs of 
the temperature on the BoM site (probably got a zillion hits in the proxy 
logs - lucky I'm the "traffic cop" ;) ).  The temperature really didn't 
drop significantly until an hour before sunset, a little after 4PM.  Even 
by 6:30, it was 22.7, according to the weather report on the news.

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At 06:18 PM 7/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Hey David,
>
>Wow - these photos are awesome!!!!!!!  When were they taken????

Awesome is the only word that came to my mind too!!!!!.  Wish I had a 
camera that could take decent photos (mine is crap - doesn't handle 
contrast well :( ).

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I took them on 21/12/01. A fairly eventful day when you all get to look at 
the radar loop!! (I'm uploading it as we speak - 8:30pm)



Original message:

Hey David,

Wow - these photos are awesome!!!!!!!  When were they taken????

AC

David Sercombe wrote:
>
>I've managed to scan some of my weather photos from the last year or so.
>
>I've uploaded some of these photos to my geocities site. It needs a lot of
>development (it's still in the virtual directory format!), which will
>hopefully occur over the next few months.
>
>These three photos here are my favourites. I'll let you guys look at them
>and give me the verdict!!
>
>http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_3.jpg
>
>http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_4.jpg
>
>http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/Photos/2001/211201_5.jpg
>
>Feel free to look at some of the others on there as well.
>
>I've got some radar loops of this particular storm which i'll upload in the
>next day or so.
>
>Enjoy!!
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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I've quickly written a html file with links to the anvil photos in 
particular, and links to the whole radar loop for the day as well as a 
separate (and shorter) loop for the cell in question.

This cell was to the east of Coffs Hbr.

What do you call the 'cluster' of heavy precipitation that is this cell??

http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/211201.html



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At 10:50 AM 7/05/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I've quickly written a html file with links to the anvil photos in 
>particular, and links to the whole radar loop for the day as well as a 
>separate (and shorter) loop for the cell in question.
>
>This cell was to the east of Coffs Hbr.
>
>What do you call the 'cluster' of heavy precipitation that is this cell??
>
>http://www.geocities.com/daves_weather/211201.html

Hmm, stoopid Yahoo...  Got to see the radar loop, then their server 
complained of too much data transfer. :-(

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<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">i think the calculation is </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">(temp. - dewpoint)&nbsp;* 400 = cloud 
base&nbsp;height in feet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">i could be wrong on this, someone jump on it 
quick if i am please.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">Thunda Hunta</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A 
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title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au>Stargazer</A> </DIV>
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title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:30 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Convective (Cu) Cloud</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</FONT> 
<DIV>Hehe.. it's funny what u can find out if u read the instructions 
first&nbsp;- Doh!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>:)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regs. Paul.</DIV>
<DIV>(Stargazer)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Taken from FreeWX&nbsp; FAQ</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>·&nbsp;Base height of convective cloud</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As a parcel of air rises (convection), it expands in the lowering air 
pressure, causing it to cool and reducing its ability to hold moisture. At some 
point the moisture in the air exceeds that which can be held, forcing the water 
vapor to condense, forming clouds. Given the current dew point and temperature 
it is possible to calculate the altitude at which this condensation 
occurs.</DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:stargazer at picknowl.com.au" 
  title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au>Stargazer</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>Aussie-Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 06, 2002 9:03 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Convective (Cu) 
  Cloud</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Question.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My weather station (WM-918)&nbsp;has a display 
  where it shows the "base hight of convective (Cu) cloud above local ground" 
  shown in meters (&amp; feet).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Does that mean the hight a cloud has to 
  be&nbsp;before rain will fall?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And&nbsp;how does the weather station go about 
  in&nbsp;coming to that hight?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ahh.. The plot .. er, cloud? .. thickens!&nbsp; 
:)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=hambone at dodo.com.au href="mailto:hambone at dodo.com.au">richard 
  modistach</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fw: aus-wx: Convective (Cu) 
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  <DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">i think the calculation is </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">(temp. - dewpoint)&nbsp;* 400 = cloud 
  base&nbsp;height in feet.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">i could be wrong on this, someone jump on it 
  quick if i am please.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:20:16 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Simon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Although this area of activity appears to be 
weakening, a weak vorticity area can be seen not far off shore of Brisbane, max 
vorticity is in the mid to upper levels (17,000 - 27,000). This large area of 
baroclinic upper level cloud is on the top end of a mid lat long wave trough 
which can be connected to a super low well southeast of NZ (936hpa two days 
ago).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is also a&nbsp; positive convective area near 
to the Solomon islands on the northeast flank of this Coral sea Cloud mass, its 
all very interesting. In regards to tropical cloud areas a massive region of 
convection has been operating off the south west coast of Indonesia for the past 
few days some of which is starting to feed into another long wave trough over 
WA. regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PS in respect to what may happen it seems the 
system will weaken and shuffle off to the southeast, although for a wish 
forecast a nice east coast low would be good..........</FONT></DIV>
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  <A href="mailto:simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au" 
  title=simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au>Simon Clarke</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:18 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop 
  low?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Clyve</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I noticed this also - but which way will it move 
  if it does indeed form&nbsp;a surface low ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon</FONT></DIV>
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    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A href="mailto:mesof5 at iprimus.com.au" title=mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>Clyve 
    Herbert</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:33 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop 
    low?</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is 
    starting to show upper vorticity just off the tip of&nbsp; Fraser island. 
    There also seems to be an upper cold pool associated with this system which 
    extends westward over central QLD worth a watch on this wildcard. regards 
    Clyve H.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Hopeful
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old saying has happened this morning. Here's 
hoping. It's that dry the cows are giving condensed milk!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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Clyde. I have been watching this week low now for a day, on the metsat it 
show a lot of cumulus cloud and it moving se around 20 kms hour and bringing 
a lot of heavy down poors off rain to the sun shine coast.

Ps nice weather report.
Michael Wright


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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
>Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:20:16 +1000
>
>Hi Simon.
>Although this area of activity appears to be weakening, a weak vorticity 
>area can be seen not far off shore of Brisbane, max vorticity is in the mid 
>to upper levels (17,000 - 27,000). This large area of baroclinic upper 
>level cloud is on the top end of a mid lat long wave trough which can be 
>connected to a super low well southeast of NZ (936hpa two days ago).
>There is also a  positive convective area near to the Solomon islands on 
>the northeast flank of this Coral sea Cloud mass, its all very interesting. 
>In regards to tropical cloud areas a massive region of convection has been 
>operating off the south west coast of Indonesia for the past few days some 
>of which is starting to feed into another long wave trough over WA. regards 
>Clyve H.
>PS in respect to what may happen it seems the system will weaken and 
>shuffle off to the southeast, although for a wish forecast a nice east 
>coast low would be good..........
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Simon Clarke
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
>
>
>   Clyve
>
>   I noticed this also - but which way will it move if it does indeed form 
>a surface low ?
>
>
>   Regards
>   Simon
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Clyve Herbert
>     To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>     Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:33 PM
>     Subject: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
>
>
>     Hi all.
>     A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is starting to show upper 
>vorticity just off the tip of  Fraser island. There also seems to be an 
>upper cold pool associated with this system which extends westward over 
>central QLD worth a watch on this wildcard. regards Clyve H.


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down to 7.3 degrees last night at my place between Chatswood West &amp; North 
Ryde on the Lane Cove River in Sydney's Northern Suburbs. That's the coldest 
here so far this season &amp; the night before was 8.3 degrees. What did other 
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From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst Snow Reports 
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>After many people showing their winter 
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2><A 
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>This page will entail road reports and 
closures during the winter weather around</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Bathurst, Orange, Lithgow, Oberon areas. 
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Low south of WA.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;It has been interesting to follow the 
progress of the low south of WA now approaching 'super low' status (949hpa), 
over the past 4 weeks or so a number of very deep lows have been occurring over 
the Southern Ocean, some as low as 936hpa. The low south of WA has generated a 
broad trough to the north and strengthened the sub tropical jet, this has 
resulted in a 'flash' appearerance of a moderate sized jet baroclinic streak 
across the Aus Bight over the past 6 hours or so. This jet streak can be traced 
back (moisture Plume) to the large tropical cloud area off the Indonesian coast. 
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color=#000080 size=2>I have 
updated my weather site covering daily maximum &amp; minimum temperatures, 
rainfall, cloud cover &amp; wind for my house between Chatswood West &amp; North 
Ryde on the Lane Cove River in Sydney's Northern Suburbs. On my main page scroll 
down to <FONT face=Arial>'My Other Pages'</FONT>, then click on <FONT 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=429550300-08052002>Hi 
All,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=429550300-08052002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=429550300-08052002>The 
Today show yesterday morning showed some footage of severe damage in&nbsp;Perth 
caused by a coldie associated with a storm cell in that vigorous cold 
front&nbsp;passage.&nbsp; Basically, a shopping centre pretty&nbsp;much 
levelled.&nbsp; It is curious that there has&nbsp;been no mention of this in the 
list.&nbsp; Have all our&nbsp;W.A boys gone AWOL?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=429550300-08052002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=429550300-08052002>Anyway, no&nbsp;marks to Ch 9 who managed this gem 
"...when&nbsp;a cold front&nbsp;turned into a mini-tornado..."&nbsp; but as an 
aside the same news reader shortly&nbsp;thereafter managed "...the Islamic Prime 
Minister Ariel Sharon...".&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=429550300-08052002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=429550300-08052002>So 
W.A. people, whats the drum?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: 850 temps vs surface temps
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Hi,

Theres quite a large variance, but generally the relationship is linear as 
temperature falls at a constant rate on any given day. However this is only 
true below ~2000m asl. The rate can vary and variance creeps in should 
inversions occur etc.


>From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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>Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:38:09 +0930
>
>is there a direct correlation between surface temps and 850 temps or does 
>the difference vary too much?




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Hi John,

Yeah, they showed in on the news here on Monday night, the shopping centre was
pretty much destroyed, many other houses around the hills area also had damage.

There were some more storms this morning associated with a cold front, and
another strong looking front is due on Friday night or Saturday. Quite an
impressive start to the SW storm season.

Jacob



At 10:17 AM 8/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: 
>
> Hi All,
>  
> The Today show yesterday morning showed some footage of severe damage in
> Perth caused by a coldie associated with a storm cell in that vigorous cold
> front passage.  Basically, a shopping centre pretty much levelled.  It is
> curious that there has been no mention of this in the list.  Have all our W.A
> boys gone AWOL?
>  
> Anyway, no marks to Ch 9 who managed this gem "...when a cold front turned
> into a mini-tornado..."  but as an aside the same news reader shortly
> thereafter managed "...the Islamic Prime Minister Ariel Sharon...". 
>  
> So W.A. people, whats the drum?
>  
> John.
>>
>>  
>
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Coldest night yet!
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:30:13 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Only 10.5 at Seven Hills (3.5 on the 
grass). You must be in a local 'valley' ...?</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color=#000080 size=2>It got 
  down to 7.3 degrees last night at my place between Chatswood West &amp; North 
  Ryde on the Lane Cove River in Sydney's Northern Suburbs. That's the coldest 
  here so far this season &amp; the night before was 8.3 degrees. What did other 
  Sydney siders record last 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Low south of WA.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>It's now only a matter of time before 
a major cold outbreak in SE Australia. That might sound like a dull statement of 
the obvious given the proximity to June but with that high we've had for so long 
perhaps things were going to be different. Now it looks like shoving off 
,systems I suspect will now become a lot more mobile, especially if the traffic 
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at:</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;It has been interesting to follow the 
  progress of the low south of WA now approaching 'super low' status (949hpa), 
  over the past 4 weeks or so a number of very deep lows have been occurring 
  over the Southern Ocean, some as low as 936hpa. The low south of WA has 
  generated a broad trough to the north and strengthened the sub tropical jet, 
  this has resulted in a 'flash' appearerance of a moderate sized jet baroclinic 
  streak across the Aus Bight over the past 6 hours or so. This jet streak can 
  be traced back (moisture Plume) to the large tropical cloud area off the 
  Indonesian coast. Things weatherwise should start to improve for rubber 
  necking and bored Victorian sky watchers over the next couple of days. regards 
  Clyve H.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure what South America has to do with our 
blocking high? Maybe you could assist? :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rgds,</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>It's now only a matter of time 
  before a major cold outbreak in SE Australia. That might sound like a dull 
  statement of the obvious given the proximity to June but with that high we've 
  had for so long perhaps things were going to be different. Now it looks like 
  shoving off ,systems I suspect will now become a lot more mobile, especially 
  if the traffic jam in the far South Pacific breaks down further or weakens. 
  Also have a look at:</FONT></DIV>
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  href="http://152.80.49.210/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_single.cgi?area=avn_samer&amp;dtg=2002050712&amp;prod=prp&amp;tau=000">http://152.80.49.210/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_single.cgi?area=avn_samer&amp;dtg=2002050712&amp;prod=prp&amp;tau=000</A></FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;It has been interesting to follow the 
    progress of the low south of WA now approaching 'super low' status (949hpa), 
    over the past 4 weeks or so a number of very deep lows have been occurring 
    over the Southern Ocean, some as low as 936hpa. The low south of WA has 
    generated a broad trough to the north and strengthened the sub tropical jet, 
    this has resulted in a 'flash' appearerance of a moderate sized jet 
    baroclinic streak across the Aus Bight over the past 6 hours or so. This jet 
    streak can be traced back (moisture Plume) to the large tropical cloud area 
    off the Indonesian coast. Things weatherwise should start to improve for 
    rubber necking and bored Victorian sky watchers over the next couple of 
    days. regards Clyve H.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I reckon the low pressures in its 
vicinity have been holding it up. That deep 'super low' that went down to 936 mb 
was, as far as I could tell, being held up by low pressures to its east and 
northeast, the latter one was cut off west of Chile but now looks to me like it 
will soon join the westerlies. As that happens I think it will free things up a 
bit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>I'm quite happy to be proven wrong, 
but as long as we all learn something...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:52 
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  WA.</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey Keith,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm not sure what South America has to do with 
  our blocking high? Maybe you could assist? :)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe El Nino?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rgds,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>Paul Mossman<BR>NT State ASWA Rep<BR>Moderator <A 
  href="http://www.aussiepub.com/forum">http://www.aussiepub.com/forum</A><BR>email: 
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    Barnett</A> </DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:07 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Low south of 
    WA.</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>It's now only a matter of time 
    before a major cold outbreak in SE Australia. That might sound like a dull 
    statement of the obvious given the proximity to June but with that high 
    we've had for so long perhaps things were going to be different. Now it 
    looks like shoving off ,systems I suspect will now become a lot more mobile, 
    especially if the traffic jam in the far South Pacific breaks down further 
    or weakens. Also have a look at:</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><A 
    href="http://152.80.49.210/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_single.cgi?area=avn_samer&amp;dtg=2002050712&amp;prod=prp&amp;tau=000">http://152.80.49.210/CGI/PUBLIC/wxmap_single.cgi?area=avn_samer&amp;dtg=2002050712&amp;prod=prp&amp;tau=000</A></FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=mesof5 at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:mesof5 at iprimus.com.au">Clyve 
      Herbert</A> </DIV>
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      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Low south of 
      WA.</DIV>
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      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;It has been interesting to follow the 
      progress of the low south of WA now approaching 'super low' status 
      (949hpa), over the past 4 weeks or so a number of very deep lows have been 
      occurring over the Southern Ocean, some as low as 936hpa. The low south of 
      WA has generated a broad trough to the north and strengthened the sub 
      tropical jet, this has resulted in a 'flash' appearerance of a moderate 
      sized jet baroclinic streak across the Aus Bight over the past 6 hours or 
      so. This jet streak can be traced back (moisture Plume) to the large 
      tropical cloud area off the Indonesian coast. Things weatherwise should 
      start to improve for rubber necking and bored Victorian sky watchers over 
      the next couple of days. regards Clyve 
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth tornado?
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Hi all,
        Looks like the Long Wave Trough is finally on a slow march east
across Oz:-)
Cheers Peter
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>
> Hi John,
>
> Yeah, they showed in on the news here on Monday night, the shopping centre
was
> pretty much destroyed, many other houses around the hills area also had
damage.
>
> There were some more storms this morning associated with a cold front, and
> another strong looking front is due on Friday night or Saturday. Quite an
> impressive start to the SW storm season.
>
> Jacob
>
>
>
> At 10:17 AM 8/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The Today show yesterday morning showed some footage of severe damage in
> > Perth caused by a coldie associated with a storm cell in that vigorous
cold
> > front passage.  Basically, a shopping centre pretty much levelled.  It
is
> > curious that there has been no mention of this in the list.  Have all
our W.A
> > boys gone AWOL?
> >
> > Anyway, no marks to Ch 9 who managed this gem "...when a cold front
turned
> > into a mini-tornado..."  but as an aside the same news reader shortly
> > thereafter managed "...the Islamic Prime Minister Ariel Sharon...".
> >
> > So W.A. people, whats the drum?
> >
> > John.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry all. Due to a fair bit of computer probs I 
missed the Wet bulb conversation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I had a wet bulb in my yard what would it tell 
me?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dry bulb the same?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I run Weather-Display software here with my Davis 
II and I have noticed that the wet bulb is nearly always half way between the 
Dew point and the actual temp.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wet bulb
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<DIV>Taken from FreeWX&nbsp; FAQ</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>·&nbsp;Wet-Bulb Temperature</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Wet-bulb temperature is the temperature that would be measured by an 
ordinary liquid-in-glass thermometer with (1) water on its liquid-reservoir 
"bulb" (the "wet bulb"); and (2) air blowing steadily past it. It is the lowest 
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<DIV>·&nbsp;Wet-Bulb Depression</DIV>
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<DIV>Is the difference between the wet-bulb temperature and the outside 
(dry-bulb) temperature.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>:)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry all. Due to a fair bit of computer probs I 
  missed the Wet bulb conversation.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I had a wet bulb in my yard what would it tell 
  me?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dry bulb the same?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I run Weather-Display software here with my Davis 
  II and I have noticed that the wet bulb is nearly always half way between the 
  Dew point and the actual temp.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As simple as thanks :-)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bussy (NE 
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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Hopeful
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<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">don't you mean powdered milk?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">over here its as dry as a dead dingoes donger 
in a lime burners boot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">i'd love to see four inches, the missus said 
she wouldnt mind eight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">hope the tide turns soon, the cockys are 
starting to get snarly. we've had&nbsp; five years of subsistance rainfall, most 
i talk to want a big wet for a change. being the only person in the district 
full on into weather and stormchasing they expect me to be a long range 
forcaster as well, i feel a bit obtuse when i have to tell them i've got no 
idea. anyone got any gut feelings for the next three to six months for the 
s.e.s.a.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="CentSchbook BT">Thunda Hunta (naracoorte s.a.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old saying has happened this morning. Here's 
hoping. It's that dry the cows are giving condensed milk!!!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Red sky in the morning......</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all

Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing an
hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the stuff
looks - and smells!

Phil

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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Good Morning Michael.
It was interesting to see that upper disturbance hang about the southeast
coast of QLD yesterday but unfortunately underwent a weakening process, did
it develop any showers on the coast or did you see any possible storm
activity in the remnant upper cold pool in your area .
regards Clyve Herbert.
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>
> Clyve. Hmmmm least it somethink,it been so quite lateley maybe we mite get
> some storm out of this system.
>
> >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
> >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:38 +1000
> >
> >Hi all.
> >A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is starting to show upper
> >vorticity just off the tip of  Fraser island. There also seems to be an
> >upper cold pool associated with this system which extends westward over
> >central QLD worth a watch on this wildcard. regards Clyve H.
>
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Southeast Aus Cloud band.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice looking cloud band approaching Victoria 
showing weak vorticity just west of Tasmania, although the jet associated with 
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all tropo's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Two areas of interest,&nbsp; one just south of the 
Solomon Islands and another just off the Indonesian coast..... The area just 
south of the Solomon's has some reasonable convective structure, this region has 
been convectively active for a few days and is sitting on the northeast flank of 
the far northern tip of a long wave trough, again its the upper north-westerly 
shear that appears to be dominating so upper divergence is limited. The other 
area of activity is at about 100 east and near to 5 south just off the coast of 
Indonesia (north of the Cocos Islands), this locality has seen sustained and 
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
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Hi Clyve,

Nothing of interest around SEQ, one Cu street looked a bit grunty at one
stage but I doubt it produced anything other than a light shower.  There was
a light shower around midnight associated with a temp drop of about 2C.  Low
level stratus'y look about town this morning and quite cold overnight, down
to 12C  at  Mt. Crosby.  Definite absence of warmth and here, and has been ever
since the SE regime came in a week or two ago - midday temps struggling to
get above the low 20's despite what the BoM reports say.  Quite a shock
after such a long period of 29..31's.

John.
>snip
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Good Morning Michael.
It was interesting to see that upper disturbance hang about the southeast
coast of QLD yesterday but unfortunately underwent a weakening process, did
it develop any showers on the coast or did you see any possible storm
activity in the remnant upper cold pool in your area .
regards Clyve Herbert.
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>
> Clyve. Hmmmm least it somethink,it been so quite lateley maybe we mite get
> some storm out of this system.
>
> >From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Coral Sea xtra trop low?
> >Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:33:38 +1000
> >
> >Hi all.
> >A large baroclinic area over the coral sea is starting to show upper
> >vorticity just off the tip of  Fraser island. There also seems to be an
> >upper cold pool associated with this system which extends westward over
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Gee send some to us its weeks since we have seen it!
Gavin Canberra
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> Hi all
>
> Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing an
> hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the stuff
> looks - and smells!
>
> Phil
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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Copperplate Gothic Bold" color=#000080 size=2>Yes my 
place is in quiet a deep valley at the bottom of Fullers / Delhi Rd with&nbsp; 
the hills of Chatswood West&nbsp;on one side &amp; the hills of North Ryde 
(Northern Suburbs Crematorium)on the other side. I notice the difference in 
temperature when I drive home late at night, descending into my valley along the 
Lane Cove River the temperature drops dramatically. Last night I recorded a 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=738003302-09052002>Hi 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=738003302-09052002>I can 
relate to this.&nbsp; I used to own a house halfway down Waitara Creek valley on 
the West side of Hornsby and the temp difference in the valley on clear windless 
nights was remarkable.&nbsp; I can recall several instances of powering up the 
(hail dented :) 'cruiser at around 6:30am with a totally clear windshield - only 
have a quarter of an inch of ice instantly form when I got to the top of the 
hill on&nbsp;the plateau.&nbsp; Cold dry air in the valley well below 0C, with 
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=738003302-09052002>Now on 
a ridge in SEQ - no longer a problem!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  place is in quiet a deep valley at the bottom of Fullers / Delhi Rd with&nbsp; 
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  (Northern Suburbs Crematorium)on the other side. I notice the difference in 
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  the Lane Cove River the temperature drops dramatically. Last night I recorded 
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Hi Blair
nice piece with Chris Smith on 2GB this afternoon regarding the warm winter.
I thought you answered the 'hype' questions well and the explainations were
authoratitive and easily understood ^Ë well done

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As regards tempertaure variations on calm nights - keep an eye on
Coonabarabran and Coonabarabran Ap  in  NSW. The town is in a hollow and
the temp site is close to the lowest poitn. The airport is higher and a
few kms oiut of town. Usually, the Airports are colder than the towns -
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This morning at 6 am Coonabarabran Town was 1.1 degrees..... the Airport
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> 
> As regards tempertaure variations on calm nights - keep an eye on
> Coonabarabran and Coonabarabran Ap  in  NSW. The town is in a hollow and
> the temp site is close to the lowest poitn. The airport is higher and a
> few kms oiut of town. Usually, the Airports are colder than the towns -
> eg Goulburn, Parkes etc.
> This morning at 6 am Coonabarabran Town was 1.1 degrees..... the Airport
> less than 7 kms away was 13 degrees !
> 
> Don White

The mean difference between the two Coonabarabran sites over the 10
months of parallel records so far is around 5 degrees for minimum
temperature. 8-10 degrees is common on clear, calm nights, but
this week's sequence of 11-13 degree differences is the most 
impressive yet.

Blair
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HI Don..

Bathurst was down to 0.3 this morning.  and we had a frost.. ..  Im waiting
for the below zero.   not far away now.. the only problem is, cloud cover
might stop the frost from occurring tonight.

Dave




                                                                                                                                           
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As regards tempertaure variations on calm nights - keep an eye on
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:19:47 +0800
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Here in Hong Kong we woke up to steady rain this morning after weeks of 
unseasonal fine weather.  It's been raining all day and HKO says there's 
more to come.
I got my brolly out this morning and it was nearly too stiff to open - 
half rusted up since it was last used last year sometime.
It's great to see Spring arriving at last.  I can't remember when our 
clear skies of winter lasted right through to May before.

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> Hi all
> 
> Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing an
> hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the
> stuff
> looks - and smells!
> 
> Phil
> 
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At 07:59 AM 9/05/2002 +0930, you wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing an
>hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the stuff
>looks - and smells!

Some of the mysterious falling water was sighted in Melbourne too this 
afternoon. ;-)

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just thought some of those watching the US would 
like to see this sounding from Oklahoma City today.&nbsp; Note the Helicity of 
300+, the CAPE of 3500j/kg and LI's of -10.3C.&nbsp; Not bad.&nbsp; Only a few 
tornadoes today though - partly due to that cap and also the fact that storms 
"lined out" rather quickly from the brief look I've had.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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We have had more than 100mm since midnight and it's still coming down!
See Isohyet chart at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/rfmapmid1700e.png 
for details.  My home is just south of the "n" in "Sha Tin" 300 metres 
upstream from where the two tributaries enter the main Shing Mun River so 
I'm just inside the 100mm isohyet by a whisker.
As you can see on the map, the really heavy rainfall today has only 
covered an area a few kilometres across - Tai Po is 11 kilometres North 
West of us and has only recorded 20mm.
My wife just rang me from Cheung Chau island in the South China Sea 
(about 50 kilometres SW of here as the cocky flies), and they have had 
unbroken sunshine there all day without the slightest sign of a cloud and 
not a single drop of rain although their dams desperately need it.  They 
are still buying all their water which is shipped in on barges.
So we need what we've had here at home over the whole region.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted - ANd here too!

> Here in Hong Kong we woke up to steady rain this morning after weeks of
> unseasonal fine weather.  It's been raining all day and HKO says
> there's 
> more to come.
> I got my brolly out this morning and it was nearly too stiff to open - 
> half rusted up since it was last used last year sometime.
> It's great to see Spring arriving at last.  I can't remember when our 
> clear skies of winter lasted right through to May before.
> 
> Phil
> <><
> 
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Bagust <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:59:03 +0930
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted
> 
> > Hi all
> > 
> > Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing
> an
> > hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the
> > stuff
> > looks - and smells!
> > 
> > Phil
> > 
> > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
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Hey I just checked out the HKO's isohyet page again and the area a 
kilometre or so NE of here has now passed 150mm since midnight!  That's 
more than six inches as we used to measure it in the old days.  I have 
copied the latest isohyet map to 
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/rfmapmid1900e.png so you can compare it.  
There is a new railway under construction in the dark brown area - I bet 
the whole site is flooded out - I'm sure glad I don't work there!
I sure wish we could share some of this lot with all you cockies down 
there who could really do with it.

Phil
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Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 18:50:05 +0800
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted - 100mm+ and still pouring 
down!

> We have had more than 100mm since midnight and it's still coming down!
> See Isohyet chart at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/rfmapmid1700e.png 
> for details.  My home is just south of the "n" in "Sha Tin" 300 metres 
> upstream from where the two tributaries enter the main Shing Mun River
> so 
> I'm just inside the 100mm isohyet by a whisker.
> As you can see on the map, the really heavy rainfall today has only 
> covered an area a few kilometres across - Tai Po is 11 kilometres North
> West of us and has only recorded 20mm.
> My wife just rang me from Cheung Chau island in the South China Sea 
> (about 50 kilometres SW of here as the cocky flies), and they have had 
> unbroken sunshine there all day without the slightest sign of a cloud
> and 
> not a single drop of rain although their dams desperately need it. 
> They 
> are still buying all their water which is shipped in on barges.
> So we need what we've had here at home over the whole region.
> 
> Phil
> <><
> 
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> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
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> 
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Blair,
I know Coona well!
Armidale town (2AD) and the Armidale AP would also be interesting as the
elevation difference is around 100 metres.When at UNE  I often recorded up
to 5 dgrees difference on still winter nights between the site on North
Hill and Radio 2AD site in town..We also record a large diffence between our
selves and the Tuggeranong AWS for the same reason.
Gavin O'Brien
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> >
> > As regards tempertaure variations on calm nights - keep an eye on
> > Coonabarabran and Coonabarabran Ap  in  NSW. The town is in a hollow and
> > the temp site is close to the lowest poitn. The airport is higher and a
> > few kms oiut of town. Usually, the Airports are colder than the towns -
> > eg Goulburn, Parkes etc.
> > This morning at 6 am Coonabarabran Town was 1.1 degrees..... the Airport
> > less than 7 kms away was 13 degrees !
> >
> > Don White
>
> The mean difference between the two Coonabarabran sites over the 10
> months of parallel records so far is around 5 degrees for minimum
> temperature. 8-10 degrees is common on clear, calm nights, but
> this week's sequence of 11-13 degree differences is the most
> impressive yet.
>
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From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Phil... how often are these isohyte maps of HK put out... daily? weekly?
for each rain event?  what?

Thanks
Don White

Phil Smith wrote:
> 
> We have had more than 100mm since midnight and it's still coming down!
> See Isohyet chart at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/images/rfmapmid1700e.png
> for details.  My home is just south of the "n" in "Sha Tin" 300 metres
> upstream from where the two tributaries enter the main Shing Mun River so
> I'm just inside the 100mm isohyet by a whisker.
> As you can see on the map, the really heavy rainfall today has only
> covered an area a few kilometres across - Tai Po is 11 kilometres North
> West of us and has only recorded 20mm.
> My wife just rang me from Cheung Chau island in the South China Sea
> (about 50 kilometres SW of here as the cocky flies), and they have had
> unbroken sunshine there all day without the slightest sign of a cloud and
> not a single drop of rain although their dams desperately need it.  They
> are still buying all their water which is shipped in on barges.
> So we need what we've had here at home over the whole region.
> 
> Phil
> <><
> 
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
> Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 16:19:47 +0800
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted - ANd here too!
> 
> > Here in Hong Kong we woke up to steady rain this morning after weeks of
> > unseasonal fine weather.  It's been raining all day and HKO says
> > there's
> > more to come.
> > I got my brolly out this morning and it was nearly too stiff to open -
> > half rusted up since it was last used last year sometime.
> > It's great to see Spring arriving at last.  I can't remember when our
> > clear skies of winter lasted right through to May before.
> >
> > Phil
> > <><
> >
> > International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
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> > Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Bagust <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:59:03 +0930
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted
> >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Steady rain started around 7.00am here in Adelaide and is continuing
> > an
> > > hour later.  5mm in the gauge already.  I'd forgotten how good the
> > > stuff
> > > looks - and smells!
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
> > > Philip.Bagust at unisa.edu.au
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From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Hi Don.
Take a squiz at http://www.hko.gov.hk/wxinfo/rainfall/isohyete.htm where 
you can see that there are always maps for the past hour, the past 24 
hours, the rainfall since midnight, and the total rainfall for yesterday.
I like to use this page a lot when typhoons come through as by stepping 
through each hour you can see the progress of each separate rainband and 
when the eye passes over you can see the clear patch in the middle.

Of course, during our recent drought the whole map was constantly all 
white for weeks at a time so nobody bothered looking them up.  
These maps are automatically generated hourly by the Cray super-computer 
at the observatory here, whether it rains or not.

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Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 21:56:00 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Ye ha!  Wet stuff sighted - 100mm+ and still 
pouringdown!

> Phil... how often are these isohyte maps of HK put out... daily?
> weekly?
> for each rain event?  what?
> 
> Thanks
> Don White
> 
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From: Mario Paul <stormtwist at yahoo.com>
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Hi all,

Jimmy here from Mario's computer computer. We watched
some videos last night to pump us up a little.
Suddenly we came up with footage from a hailstorm with
massive chunks of hail. And then it clicked: I had
seen this footage before and had forgotten. This ws
the Denver hailstorm that injured people. So 4.5 inch
hail was not exaggerated after all. The damge report
like I had suggested was kept out of the database. The
damage as you know was extensive.

Well I will see you all later on the plains somewhere.

We are expected to fly over the zone where tornadic
supercells are expected to explode. Ummm does this
mean turbulence.

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Hemispheric mirroring
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Morning all,

There have been discussions on the list in the past regarding the
tendency for the mirroring of systems across the equator between the
hemispheres - it can often be seen quite clearly on satpics, but these 2
images are a brilliant example.  They show 2 TC's - 1 near Madagascar &
1 in the Arabian Sea, and also TC Errol near the Cocos Islands and the
(at this time) potential TC just over the equator.

Visible image
http://home.cfl.rr.com/tcrist/images/Twin_twins.jpg

Infrared image
http://home.cfl.rr.com/tcrist/images/MJO.jpg

So now the questions.....why is it so????  why does this happen?????

Many thanks to US Air Force Weather Agency (AFWA) and Tony Cristaldi of
NWS in Melbourne, Florida for allowing the use of these images.

Jane

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Subject: aus-wx: "Ants" prediction of Rainfall
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Good Morning all.<BR>
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Having just returned from a walk down and back the length of my 7.5 acre block, along the driveway i could not help but to notice the size of the ants nests, hundreds of them to be exact.<BR>
<BR>
The &quot;fortresses&quot; i will call them (not over-exagerrating) are in some instances over 1.5 inches high, and are taking on an almost volcanic form. I have not seen the likes of this for at least 2-3 years here in SEQ and im wondering, are we in for something huge or am i dreaming of something that will not eventuate?<BR>
<BR>
The nests themselves are loose, not compacted, but very high.. To me (judging by past experiences) it indicates a substantial fall in a very short period of time.<BR>
<BR>
I could be way off the mark here but it certainly opened my eyes up just then, and on conversation with my mother, she has mentioned she has seen the same scenario for the last 2 weeks, only the last couple of days it has exploded, and there has been a reasonable amount of precipitation falling around Jimboomba in this period.<BR>
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Further to that, the ants have decided to invade where this computer is situated and seem to think my Hard-Drive is a suitable place to establish a nest *eeps severly*<BR>
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Any info at all would be much appreciated as i have continuously been going through models and other forecasting methods, but the creatures of nature seem to be telling a different tale.<BR>
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Just saw an interesting news comment on forecasting the latest US tornadoes.
Half an hour before the 'touch down' there is a burst of lightning activity.
When it stops, a tornado funnel appears soon after.
I haven't heard of this before...is anyone familiar?
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From: "Nathan Thompson" <pthomps3 at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi,

Well few nights this month, we have had higher min up the foothills at 570
ft above sea level in Golden Grove than in Adelaide area and near the same
for Noarlunga which gets higher min and Mt Lofty ranges as well. It happens
like that before. It is due to inversion and other type like NE wind replace
with warm air for the higher elevation while cool air remain near the SL,
etc. It is very interesting. Last year I hardly get to 0C at night while
Parafield AP on Adelaide plain did get to 0C last winter. While in late
spring to summer season we would see gusty Southeasterly wind on foothills
and South of brighton at night which will keep the temperature lower than in
Adelaide plain overnight and may persist in the day time if this keeps up
with more gusty SE wind.

From Nathan.

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> >
> > As regards tempertaure variations on calm nights - keep an eye on
> > Coonabarabran and Coonabarabran Ap  in  NSW. The town is in a hollow and
> > the temp site is close to the lowest poitn. The airport is higher and a
> > few kms oiut of town. Usually, the Airports are colder than the towns -
> > eg Goulburn, Parkes etc.
> > This morning at 6 am Coonabarabran Town was 1.1 degrees..... the Airport
> > less than 7 kms away was 13 degrees !
> >
> > Don White
>
> The mean difference between the two Coonabarabran sites over the 10
> months of parallel records so far is around 5 degrees for minimum
> temperature. 8-10 degrees is common on clear, calm nights, but
> this week's sequence of 11-13 degree differences is the most
> impressive yet.
>
> Blair
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:15:34 +1000
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Hi Jimmy,

Surprisingly, probably not.  I actually was on a flight from Houston to
Denver once, notable by the massive thunderstorms we were flying around in
the panhandle - when the Captain gets on the intercom and tells us that for
those on the right side of the plane, there is a tornado visible on the
ground.  Of course I had an aisle seat and saw nothing no matter how much
craning.  The plane stayed in clear air and there was no significant
turbulence that I recall - obviously would be different if you flew through
one of these storms, lol.

But I have noted many other occasions in Oz, where so long as the plane is
in clear air, there is very little turbulence despite awesome development
outside.  Likewise a year or so ago, when we flew over an anvil in northern
NSW, and I was watching spectacular anvil crawlers passing underneath the
aircraft.

Guess I'll have to accept that Denver report then!

John.
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Hi all,

Jimmy here from Mario's computer computer. We watched
some videos last night to pump us up a little.
Suddenly we came up with footage from a hailstorm with
massive chunks of hail. And then it clicked: I had
seen this footage before and had forgotten. This ws
the Denver hailstorm that injured people. So 4.5 inch
hail was not exaggerated after all. The damge report
like I had suggested was kept out of the database. The
damage as you know was extensive.

Well I will see you all later on the plains somewhere.

We are expected to fly over the zone where tornadic
supercells are expected to explode. Ummm does this
mean turbulence.

Jimmy Degara

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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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Hi Nathan from Golden Grove.
Being at 570m do you see snow falls each winter there? Have you seen snow
cover the ground? What's the highest suburb of the Adelaide hills & is it
more likely to receive snow there?
Where else in SA does it snow?



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Hi Jane,

My un-scientific thouhgts...

I am tempted to draw the analogy of the twin vortices that occur when you
drag a paddle through water.  The triggering mechanism may be a westerly
push along the equator, instigated perhaps by the generation of a large low
pressure area over indonesia - and perhaps the twin vortices are merely a
manifestation of coriolis force at the N & S extremes of a trans-equator
convergence zone.  That being so, you would expect to see this behaviour
more prevalent during the switch in monsoonal seasons - i.e., late spring
and late autumn.

John.
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Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:15 AM
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Subject: aus-wx: Hemispheric mirroring


Morning all,

There have been discussions on the list in the past regarding the
tendency for the mirroring of systems across the equator between the
hemispheres - it can often be seen quite clearly on satpics, but these 2
images are a brilliant example.  They show 2 TC's - 1 near Madagascar &
1 in the Arabian Sea, and also TC Errol near the Cocos Islands and the
(at this time) potential TC just over the equator.

Visible image
http://home.cfl.rr.com/tcrist/images/Twin_twins.jpg

Infrared image
http://home.cfl.rr.com/tcrist/images/MJO.jpg

So now the questions.....why is it so????  why does this happen?????

Many thanks to US Air Force Weather Agency (AFWA) and Tony Cristaldi of
NWS in Melbourne, Florida for allowing the use of these images.

Jane

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Hi Damian,

Ah I don't get snow here every year. It is actually 570 ft, not 570m though.
Mt Lofty ranges rarely get snow (Higher part), happens once every 5 years or
so whatever that is and can happen to the higher part of Flinder ranges that
can be possible too I think. I get lots of hail in winter during the good
cold pool weather activity.

From Nathan.

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> Hi Nathan from Golden Grove.
> Being at 570m do you see snow falls each winter there? Have you seen snow
> cover the ground? What's the highest suburb of the Adelaide hills & is it
> more likely to receive snow there?
> Where else in SA does it snow?
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Not at all unusual Keith, as tornadoes are caused by rising heat between
full moon and last quarter phase and rising heat will make the air dry
enough for the static charge potential differences necessary for electrical
disturbance. I don't know the time of these events, but I think if you chase
it up you'll find the moon is either on or near the horizon or at IC,  - at
the very least the moon is most likely to be out of the local sky when they
both occurred.
Ken Ring
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> Just saw an interesting news comment on forecasting the latest US
tornadoes.
> Half an hour before the 'touch down' there is a burst of lightning
activity.
> When it stops, a tornado funnel appears soon after.
> I haven't heard of this before...is anyone familiar?
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=813533002-10052002>Hi 
Dale,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=813533002-10052002>I also 
have noticed this on my block out at Mt. Crosby.&nbsp; But, I put it down to the 
ants doing a bit of rapid house cleaning after a period of wet weather, which no 
doubt has kept the ants indoors plus flooded them with water to say nothing of 
washing sand and earth into ant holes.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=813533002-10052002>So, no 
I don't think it is a prediction so much as a cleanup.&nbsp; What is good about 
this is I now know where to put the Antrid.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE></FONT>Good Morning all.<BR><BR>Having just returned from a walk 
  down and back the length of my 7.5 acre block, along the driveway i could not 
  help but to notice the size of the ants nests, hundreds of them to be 
  exact.<BR><BR>The "fortresses" i will call them (not over-exagerrating) are in 
  some instances over 1.5 inches high, and are taking on an almost volcanic 
  form. I have not seen the likes of this for at least 2-3 years here in SEQ and 
  im wondering, are we in for something huge or am i dreaming of something that 
  will not eventuate?<BR><BR>The nests themselves are loose, not compacted, but 
  very high.. To me (judging by past experiences) it indicates a substantial 
  fall in a very short period of time.<BR><BR>I could be way off the mark here 
  but it certainly opened my eyes up just then, and on conversation with my 
  mother, she has mentioned she has seen the same scenario for the last 2 weeks, 
  only the last couple of days it has exploded, and there has been a reasonable 
  amount of precipitation falling around Jimboomba in this 
  period.<BR><BR>Further to that, the ants have decided to invade where this 
  computer is situated and seem to think my Hard-Drive is a suitable place to 
  establish a nest *eeps severly*<BR><BR>Any info at all would be much 
  appreciated as i have continuously been going through models and other 
  forecasting methods, but the creatures of nature seem to be telling a 
  different tale.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Dale<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Our 3rd strong front in a week forecast to move over the coast late tonight
or early tomorrow, here's the forecast:

FORECAST FOR THE PERTH METROPOLITAN AREA
Issued at 8:30am WST on Friday the 10th of May 2002 for today and tonight

FORECAST:
A shower or two, increasing during the day. Showers becoming heavy tonight with
thunderstorms, squalls and local heavy falls. NW winds strengthening tonight.

    MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE:   24 

Also a Severe Wind Warning has just been issued:

SEVERE WIND WARNING
Issued at 10:20 am WST on Friday, 10 May 2002

A Severe Wind Warning has been issued for all areas west of a line from Cape
Naturaliste to Walpole for this afternoon extending north to Jurien Bay and
east
to Bremer Bay for tonight.

Several strong prefrontal cloud lines are expected to cross the lower south
west
this afternoon with an intense cold front to move through the SW Land Division
tonight with accompanying severe thunderstorms. Severe wind squalls to 110 km/h
are possible in areas west of Cape Naturaliste to Walpole this afternoon
extending north and east to remaining parts of the warning area as the front
moves through overnight.  

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What about Mt Lofty which is over 700 metres? Surely it must snow there each
year? Is Crafers the highest town in the Adelaide hills?
What's the highest town in the Flinders Ranges & how high would it be in
Metres?



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Hi Kieth,

Here is what I think...

It has been previously observed that there is a burst of CG lightning
associated with the onset of a downburst.  The reason for this has been
discussed on the list before, but the thought process is that the downburst
consists of a large mass of previously suspended charged particles
(precipitation - hail/rain).  When this moves downward, it dramatically
alters the holistic arrangement of charge within the cloud and hence
potential differences (PD).  The rash of CG's occurs as the PD to ground
increases to reach breakdown.  This is also why the majority of CG's are
closely associated with the precip region IMO.  You can also get very loud
spectacular CG's when breakdown occurs between Anvil and ground - but this
is much less usual.

Onset of a downburst, in particular the RFD (Rear Flank Downdraft) in a
Supercell is a triggering condition for a tornado as the updraft region
becomes constricted and the RFD induces horizontal wind shear assisting
vorticity and lifting in the lower region of the storm.

Thus it presents as a correlation between the burst of CG's and onset of a
Tornado.

But this is a guess, i.e., just my thoughts from observation - no scientific
facts to support it and I might be woefully wrong.

John.
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Just saw an interesting news comment on forecasting the latest US tornadoes.
Half an hour before the 'touch down' there is a burst of lightning activity.
When it stops, a tornado funnel appears soon after.
I haven't heard of this before...is anyone familiar?
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Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or take
a day in each window.
Ken Ring
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>
> Our 3rd strong front in a week forecast to move over the coast late
tonight
> or early tomorrow, here's the forecast:
>
> FORECAST FOR THE PERTH METROPOLITAN AREA
> Issued at 8:30am WST on Friday the 10th of May 2002 for today and tonight
>
> FORECAST:
> A shower or two, increasing during the day. Showers becoming heavy tonight
with
> thunderstorms, squalls and local heavy falls. NW winds strengthening
tonight.
>
>     MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE:   24
>
> Also a Severe Wind Warning has just been issued:
>
> SEVERE WIND WARNING
> Issued at 10:20 am WST on Friday, 10 May 2002
>
> A Severe Wind Warning has been issued for all areas west of a line from
Cape
> Naturaliste to Walpole for this afternoon extending north to Jurien Bay
and
> east
> to Bremer Bay for tonight.
>
> Several strong prefrontal cloud lines are expected to cross the lower
south
> west
> this afternoon with an intense cold front to move through the SW Land
Division
> tonight with accompanying severe thunderstorms. Severe wind squalls to 110
km/h
> are possible in areas west of Cape Naturaliste to Walpole this afternoon
> extending north and east to remaining parts of the warning area as the
front
> moves through overnight.
>
> Jacob
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>What about Mt Lofty which is over 700 metres? Surely it must snow there each
>year? Is Crafers the highest town in the Adelaide hills?
>What's the highest town in the Flinders Ranges & how high would it be in
>Metres?
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I'll weigh in there, with apologies in advance to Nathan.

Mt Lofty is the highest spot in the southern Mt Lofty ranges  at  720m.
Crafers is the highest town in the area at about 600m.  This area will get
about one light snowfall per year - some years none, some years two.  I've
seen snow up there on several occasions.  Never lies for very long though.

Mt Bryan is the highest spot in the Northern Mt Lofty ranges  at  936m.  There
is an extensive area over 600m in this area and a more continental climate
with heavy frosts.  This is the area with the most frequent and heaviest
falls in SA, along with:

The Southern Flinders ranges, with Mts Brown and Remarkable  at  970m.  Once
again a fall about once a year might be expected on these mountains.

Further north, St Mary Peak in Wilpena Pound is 1171m, but it's further
north and more continental again, often out of the way of the coldest,
moistest air masses - but it still gets the odd fall of snow.  I've even
seen video of snow falling on Mt Hack (1087m) in the Northern Flinders -
I'm not sure what the atmospheric setup was there - perhaps a cut off
easterly low rather that the classic southerly outbreak?

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for some historic shots......

Cheers

Phil


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Phil, no worry, I wasn't be abled to answer that sort of this email to
Damian about the height of the hills and mountain cos I had no idea, I am
appreciated that you are here to answer to Damian at this time. I thought
that snow only happens every 5 years or so. But or so would be meant to be
less than 5 years or more than 5 years anyway.

From Nathan.

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> >What about Mt Lofty which is over 700 metres? Surely it must snow there
each
> >year? Is Crafers the highest town in the Adelaide hills?
> >What's the highest town in the Flinders Ranges & how high would it be in
> >Metres?
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> I'll weigh in there, with apologies in advance to Nathan.
>
> Mt Lofty is the highest spot in the southern Mt Lofty ranges  at  720m.
> Crafers is the highest town in the area at about 600m.  This area will get
> about one light snowfall per year - some years none, some years two.  I've
> seen snow up there on several occasions.  Never lies for very long though.
>
> Mt Bryan is the highest spot in the Northern Mt Lofty ranges  at  936m.
There
> is an extensive area over 600m in this area and a more continental climate
> with heavy frosts.  This is the area with the most frequent and heaviest
> falls in SA, along with:
>
> The Southern Flinders ranges, with Mts Brown and Remarkable  at  970m.  Once
> again a fall about once a year might be expected on these mountains.
>
> Further north, St Mary Peak in Wilpena Pound is 1171m, but it's further
> north and more continental again, often out of the way of the coldest,
> moistest air masses - but it still gets the odd fall of snow.  I've even
> seen video of snow falling on Mt Hack (1087m) in the Northern Flinders -
> I'm not sure what the atmospheric setup was there - perhaps a cut off
> easterly low rather that the classic southerly outbreak?
>
> www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/WeatherWX.html
>
> for some historic shots......
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil
>
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Yeah i saw that on Ch9 morning news, its from NASA, but i have seen footage
of tornados with lightning going off around it, and of course there is that
famous pic os a nice stove pipe tornado with a thick Cg right next to it


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> Just saw an interesting news comment on forecasting the latest US
tornadoes.
> Half an hour before the 'touch down' there is a burst of lightning
activity.
> When it stops, a tornado funnel appears soon after.
> I haven't heard of this before...is anyone familiar?
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Hi John
On Febuary 13th 2001 i witnessed a spectacular microburst storm over
centeral canberra, i do remember that Just as the microburst began, Thick
Cgs began droping every second, previosly they were every 2 or 3 minutes and
wern't that spectacular. they were mainly embeded in the rain curtain so i
only saw 4 or 5 outside of it, the thunder was unlike any i've ever heard,
Loud, deep, but muffled, if you get what i mean...

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> Hi Kieth,
>
> Here is what I think...
>
> It has been previously observed that there is a burst of CG lightning
> associated with the onset of a downburst.  The reason for this has been
> discussed on the list before, but the thought process is that the
downburst
> consists of a large mass of previously suspended charged particles
> (precipitation - hail/rain).  When this moves downward, it dramatically
> alters the holistic arrangement of charge within the cloud and hence
> potential differences (PD).  The rash of CG's occurs as the PD to ground
> increases to reach breakdown.  This is also why the majority of CG's are
> closely associated with the precip region IMO.  You can also get very loud
> spectacular CG's when breakdown occurs between Anvil and ground - but this
> is much less usual.
>
> Onset of a downburst, in particular the RFD (Rear Flank Downdraft) in a
> Supercell is a triggering condition for a tornado as the updraft region
> becomes constricted and the RFD induces horizontal wind shear assisting
> vorticity and lifting in the lower region of the storm.
>
> Thus it presents as a correlation between the burst of CG's and onset of a
> Tornado.
>
> But this is a guess, i.e., just my thoughts from observation - no
scientific
> facts to support it and I might be woefully wrong.
>
> John.
> >snip
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> Just saw an interesting news comment on forecasting the latest US
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> Half an hour before the 'touch down' there is a burst of lightning
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> When it stops, a tornado funnel appears soon after.
> I haven't heard of this before...is anyone familiar?
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Hi Ken,

Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?

Regards,
John.
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Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or take
a day in each window.
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Jimmy...
I was once "stuck" in Denver Airport in January with a temp of -7 C
because of a "cloud"of frozen air polliution haning in the sky at 1500
feet.  Now, that's what they'll called then Denver's biggest ever
hailstone - and it never fell !

Don W

John Woodbridge wrote:
> 
> Hi Jimmy,
> 
> Surprisingly, probably not.  I actually was on a flight from Houston to
> Denver once, notable by the massive thunderstorms we were flying around in
> the panhandle - when the Captain gets on the intercom and tells us that for
> those on the right side of the plane, there is a tornado visible on the
> ground.  Of course I had an aisle seat and saw nothing no matter how much
> craning.  The plane stayed in clear air and there was no significant
> turbulence that I recall - obviously would be different if you flew through
> one of these storms, lol.
> 
> But I have noted many other occasions in Oz, where so long as the plane is
> in clear air, there is very little turbulence despite awesome development
> outside.  Likewise a year or so ago, when we flew over an anvil in northern
> NSW, and I was watching spectacular anvil crawlers passing underneath the
> aircraft.
> 
> Guess I'll have to accept that Denver report then!
> 
> John.
> >snip
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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Mario Paul
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:13 AM
> To: weather
> Subject: aus-wx: Did Denver really get giant hail????
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Jimmy here from Mario's computer computer. We watched
> some videos last night to pump us up a little.
> Suddenly we came up with footage from a hailstorm with
> massive chunks of hail. And then it clicked: I had
> seen this footage before and had forgotten. This ws
> the Denver hailstorm that injured people. So 4.5 inch
> hail was not exaggerated after all. The damge report
> like I had suggested was kept out of the database. The
> damage as you know was extensive.
> 
> Well I will see you all later on the plains somewhere.
> 
> We are expected to fly over the zone where tornadic
> supercells are expected to explode. Ummm does this
> mean turbulence.
> 
> Jimmy Degara
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Damian, 
For some photos and a report from one of the biggest snowfalls in
recent years in the Adelaide Hills check out my web site here:
http://au.geocities.com/timjeckert/page8.html

Tim.


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>
>Phil, no worry, I wasn't be abled to answer that sort of this email
to
>Damian about the height of the hills and mountain cos I had no idea,
I am
>appreciated that you are here to answer to Damian at this time. I
thought
>that snow only happens every 5 years or so. But or so would be meant
to be
>less than 5 years or more than 5 years anyway.
>
>From Nathan.
>
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>Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:02 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: was - Nathan from Golden Grove = snow
>
>
>> >What about Mt Lofty which is over 700 metres? Surely it must snow
there
>each
>> >year? Is Crafers the highest town in the Adelaide hills?
>> >What's the highest town in the Flinders Ranges & how high would it
be in
>> >Metres?
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>> I'll weigh in there, with apologies in advance to Nathan.
>>
>> Mt Lofty is the highest spot in the southern Mt Lofty ranges  at 
720m.
>> Crafers is the highest town in the area at about 600m.  This area
will get
>> about one light snowfall per year - some years none, some years
two.  I've
>> seen snow up there on several occasions.  Never lies for very long
though.
>>
>> Mt Bryan is the highest spot in the Northern Mt Lofty ranges  at 
936m.
>There
>> is an extensive area over 600m in this area and a more continental
climate
>> with heavy frosts.  This is the area with the most frequent and
heaviest
>> falls in SA, along with:
>>
>> The Southern Flinders ranges, with Mts Brown and Remarkable  at  970m.
Once
>> again a fall about once a year might be expected on these
mountains.
>>
>> Further north, St Mary Peak in Wilpena Pound is 1171m, but it's
further
>> north and more continental again, often out of the way of the
coldest,
>> moistest air masses - but it still gets the odd fall of snow.  I've
even
>> seen video of snow falling on Mt Hack (1087m) in the Northern
Flinders -
>> I'm not sure what the atmospheric setup was there - perhaps a cut
off
>> easterly low rather that the classic southerly outbreak?
>>
>> www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/WeatherWX.html
>>
>> for some historic shots......
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> Phil'Paisley'Bagust: paisley2 at chariot.net.au:
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Hi John
Yes, only lunar algorithms used. Nothing else, not even local data.
Definitely not sea surface temperatures as I'm sorry to say I wouldn't know
where to access them.
all the best
Ken
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> Hi Ken,
>
> Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
>
> Regards,
> John.
> >snip
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>
>
> Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
take
> a day in each window.
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
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> 
> Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or take
> a day in each window.
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
> the home of longrange forecasting
> 

Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?   

(a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
(b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
other constraints
(c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
days before and after
(d) something else?

Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range 
forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).

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With respect, if you shot fish in a barrel you would no doubt miss because
all the water would quickly drain out leaving them flapping around in
whatever is left in the bottom of the barrel.
(sorry, it is Friday afternoon, i couldn't resist it).
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>
> Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
take
> a day in each window.
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
> the home of longrange forecasting
>

Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?

(a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
(b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
other constraints
(c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
days before and after
(d) something else?

Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range
forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).

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sorry, continuous rain between those dates..I should have clarified it. And
continuous dry in the gaps between those dates. Otherwise the fish in the
barrel thing would apply. So I reckon all three: (a), (b) AND (c) would be
my intention. Here's a 20 day opportunity to see if little Miss Luna can
deliver any goods. Of course the method's not tied to Perth either - just as
easy to do it for anywhere..
regards
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> >
> > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
take
> > a day in each window.
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> > the home of longrange forecasting
> >
>
> Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
> an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?
>
> (a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
> (b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
> other constraints
> (c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
> days before and after
> (d) something else?
>
> Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range
> forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
> at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
> forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
> I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).
>
> Blair
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with respect, if you had a standard 200L wine darrel full of water and fish
and half decent gun, say a 338 winchester magnum, firstly the bullet would
never hit the bottom to put a hole in it, and secondly the concussion would
kill all the fish.
i'll use the same excuse as you john for this email.

regards richard

----- Original Message -----
From: John Woodbridge <jrw at pixelcom.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Another strong cold front


> With respect, if you shot fish in a barrel you would no doubt miss because
> all the water would quickly drain out leaving them flapping around in
> whatever is left in the bottom of the barrel.
> (sorry, it is Friday afternoon, i couldn't resist it).
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
>
>
> >
> > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
> take
> > a day in each window.
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> > the home of longrange forecasting
> >
>
> Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
> an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?
>
> (a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
> (b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
> other constraints
> (c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
> days before and after
> (d) something else?
>
> Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range
> forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
> at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
> forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
> I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).
>
> Blair
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From: "Mark Dwyer" <mjd at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Wind Gusts in Perth... STW & SWW for the SW Land Division
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:26:35 +0800
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Hi All,

We have had wind gusts to 81 Km/H 5 times already today, and a gust no long
ago at Busselton Jetty just below 100 Km/H. Could be a windy night ahead for
the SW Land Division
 The latest Gust at Rotto just hit 96Km/H
      Station Name Current Observations Extremes
      Date Time
      (AWST) Temp
      (deg C) Dew Point
      (deg C) Rel Hum
      (%) Wind Dir Wind Speed Wind Gust Press
      (hPa) Rain since 9am
      (mm) Max Temp
      (C) Min Temp
      (C) Max Wind Gust
      (km/h) (knots) (km/h) (knots)   (km/h) (knots
      ROTTNEST ISLAND  10 18:20 19.0 16.4 85 NNW 70 38 96 52 1003.5 0.4 23.3
      13:06 19.5
      18:03 NNW 96
      18:15 52
      18:15



IDW28100
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PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE WIND WARNING
Issued at 3:45 pm WST on Friday, 10 May 2002

A Severe Wind and Severe Thunderstorm Warning has been issued for all areas
west
of a line from Jurien Bay to Bremer Bay.

Several strong prefrontal cloud lines are crossing the lower south west with
an
intense cold front to move through the SW Land Division tonight with
accompanying severe thunderstorms. Squalls to 85 km/h have been reported in
the
South West District up until 3.30pm. Severe wind squalls to 110 km/h are
possible in all parts of the warning area as the front moves through
overnight.

Next warning will be issued by 10.00 pm WST.

MJ.

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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Ice sheet wider than Channel breaks from Antarctica - Your News from Ananova
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For your interest.

Love
Sha


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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does everyone recommend I buy this??
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Damian,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got myself one of them weather stations (WM-918) 
from Dick Smiths last week for that price ($298) &amp; set it up at my place 
over the weekend, so i haven't had much time to find anything wrong with it, but 
so far i'm very happy with it for the money outlaid. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was looking at the Weather Monitor II (see <A 
href="http://www.dar.csiro.au/airwatch/awweather.html">http://www.dar.csiro.au/airwatch/awweather.html</A>&nbsp;&amp;/or 
<A 
href="http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_mon.asp">http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_mon.asp</A>&nbsp;for 
specs &amp; pics) but for a complete system that give u everything the Dick 
Smiths one does was going to cost over the $1,000 mark!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've also hooked the weather station up to my 
computer and I'm running a program called "FreeWX" ( <A 
href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html">http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html</A>&nbsp;) 
to display the readings from the weather station. This program is&nbsp;far 
better then the "WeatherView (basic) PC software" that comes with the weather 
station.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It all depends on what $$ u want to spend &amp; how 
accurate&nbsp;u want your readings to be. The WM-918 takes readings from it 
sensors on avg. every 5sec. &amp; some measurements are only in whole numbers 
(eg. 1 or 2 or 3, not 1.6 or 2.4 or 3.7 etc.) on some sensors (ie. the rain 
gauge &amp; barometer) but remember - You Get What You Paid For&nbsp; 
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope this helps</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:21:28 +1200
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This forecasting sure is a complicated business. If you have a barrel with
fish in it, I don't understand the need to shoot any when you can just reach
in and grab one. And to get in the barrel they must have been caught
beforehand so why go and stick them in a barrel. If you have to shoot
something then shoot them in the freezer and the barrel won't leak. Or take
them out and shoot them. Better still, eat them and shoot yourself.
Alternatively just eat the gun. That preserves barrel, freezer, doesn't mess
up the fish and you don't go hungry. The obvious is the best solution but we
make things complicated.
Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
To: "weather mailing list" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:28 PM
Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Another strong cold front


> with respect, if you had a standard 200L wine darrel full of water and
fish
> and half decent gun, say a 338 winchester magnum, firstly the bullet would
> never hit the bottom to put a hole in it, and secondly the concussion
would
> kill all the fish.
> i'll use the same excuse as you john for this email.
>
> regards richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Woodbridge <jrw at pixelcom.net>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:13 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
>
>
> > With respect, if you shot fish in a barrel you would no doubt miss
because
> > all the water would quickly drain out leaving them flapping around in
> > whatever is left in the bottom of the barrel.
> > (sorry, it is Friday afternoon, i couldn't resist it).
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair Trewin
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give
or
> > take
> > > a day in each window.
> > > Ken Ring
> > > www.predictweather.com
> > > the home of longrange forecasting
> > >
> >
> > Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
> > an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?
> >
> > (a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
> > (b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
> > other constraints
> > (c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
> > days before and after
> > (d) something else?
> >
> > Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range
> > forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
> > at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
> > forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
> > I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).
> >
> > Blair
> >
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front


> This forecasting sure is a complicated business. If you have a barrel with
> fish in it, I don't understand the need to shoot any when you can just
reach
> in and grab one. And to get in the barrel they must have been caught
> beforehand so why go and stick them in a barrel. If you have to shoot
> something then shoot them in the freezer and the barrel won't leak. Or
take
> them out and shoot them. Better still, eat them and shoot yourself.
> Alternatively just eat the gun. That preserves barrel, freezer, doesn't
mess
> up the fish and you don't go hungry. The obvious is the best solution but
we
> make things complicated.
> Ken

Umm... yeh... what he said

?

:P
Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)

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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
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good on ya ken, pmsl.

regards richard

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Ring <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front


> This forecasting sure is a complicated business. If you have a barrel with
> fish in it, I don't understand the need to shoot any when you can just
reach
> in and grab one. And to get in the barrel they must have been caught
> beforehand so why go and stick them in a barrel. If you have to shoot
> something then shoot them in the freezer and the barrel won't leak. Or
take
> them out and shoot them. Better still, eat them and shoot yourself.
> Alternatively just eat the gun. That preserves barrel, freezer, doesn't
mess
> up the fish and you don't go hungry. The obvious is the best solution but
we
> make things complicated.
> Ken
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
> To: "weather mailing list" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:28 PM
> Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
>
>
> > with respect, if you had a standard 200L wine darrel full of water and
> fish
> > and half decent gun, say a 338 winchester magnum, firstly the bullet
would
> > never hit the bottom to put a hole in it, and secondly the concussion
> would
> > kill all the fish.
> > i'll use the same excuse as you john for this email.
> >
> > regards richard
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Woodbridge <jrw at pixelcom.net>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
> >
> >
> > > With respect, if you shot fish in a barrel you would no doubt miss
> because
> > > all the water would quickly drain out leaving them flapping around in
> > > whatever is left in the bottom of the barrel.
> > > (sorry, it is Friday afternoon, i couldn't resist it).
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Blair
Trewin
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM
> > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give
> or
> > > take
> > > > a day in each window.
> > > > Ken Ring
> > > > www.predictweather.com
> > > > the home of longrange forecasting
> > > >
> > >
> > > Just clarifying what you mean here (taking the 11th-13th forecast as
> > > an example) - what is your requirement for a correct forecast here?
> > >
> > > (a) rain on at least one of the days 10-14 May
> > > (b) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with no
> > > other constraints
> > > (c) rain on three consecutive days in the 10-14 May period, with dry
> > > days before and after
> > > (d) something else?
> > >
> > > Quite apart from any consideration of the current short-range
> > > forecast, the chance that any given five-day period in Perth will have
> > > at least one day with rain is around 90% at this time of year, so a
> > > forecast under the rules of (a) is shooting fish in a barrel, but
> > > I'll be more impressed by sustained skill under rules (b) or (c).
> > >
> > > Blair
> > >
> > >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>We bought complete davis weather monitor for $1,200 
plus weatherlink software include datalogger which was $250 discounted, was $379 
that offered from Misho. It has big cups anemometer, big rain gauge, 
Thermometer/hygrometer sensor, console, junction box, junction cable and all 
connect to it. It run thru datalogger to save before I download on the computer 
once a day to save into disk. Very useful system but very expensive indeed 
compare to Dick Smith one. More reliable and robust than that though. Although 
the problem is we had to calibrate the rain gauge and humidity every year. BoM 
recommended us to checkup all these to see if any possible calibration need 
twice a year. Tipping bucket rain gauge need to have 12,500 tips to bed in to 
get more accurate reading. At the start which is new will be 10% out of accuracy 
and require to do calibration possible twice a year to compare with 203mm size 
of manual rain gauge or 4" Nylex rain gauge that can be purchase from local 
hardware shop such as mitre 10 or whatever. (Thats from BoM that&nbsp;advised 
about the accuracy of tipping bucket rain gauge)&nbsp;Overall very good but not 
too accurate as set of BoM weather station though. Wind speed reading taken 
every 2.25 seconds while direction every 2 seconds while other will update when 
there is any change of temperature, humidity and barometer. Unfortunately we had 
a bad luck twice. First anemometer died on August last year and had to get 
replacement for second one. 2nd time been pushing 10m standard pole up again. So 
not good. (was at our own risk of pushing up&nbsp;to the&nbsp;air&nbsp;before I 
tight the big nut&nbsp;bolt in a hurry)&nbsp;While datalogger stopped working 
last year on late March and had to get replacement. So we did. Cost us total of 
nearly $600 for replacement.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anyway. Overall very good that I am satisfied with. 
But I recommended Dick Smith weather station who can't afford to purchase Davis 
weather station though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From Nathan.</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=stargazer at picknowl.com.au 
  href="mailto:stargazer at picknowl.com.au">Stargazer</A> </DIV>
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  recommend I buy this??</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Damian,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I got myself one of them weather stations 
  (WM-918) from Dick Smiths last week for that price ($298) &amp; set it up at 
  my place over the weekend, so i haven't had much time to find anything wrong 
  with it, but so far i'm very happy with it for the money outlaid. 
</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was looking at the Weather Monitor II (see <A 
  href="http://www.dar.csiro.au/airwatch/awweather.html">http://www.dar.csiro.au/airwatch/awweather.html</A>&nbsp;&amp;/or 
  <A 
  href="http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_mon.asp">http://www.davisnet.com/weather/products/weather_mon.asp</A>&nbsp;for 
  specs &amp; pics) but for a complete system that give u everything the Dick 
  Smiths one does was going to cost over the $1,000 mark!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've also hooked the weather station up to my 
  computer and I'm running a program called "FreeWX" ( <A 
  href="http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html">http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html</A>&nbsp;) 
  to display the readings from the weather station. This program is&nbsp;far 
  better then the "WeatherView (basic) PC software" that comes with the weather 
  station.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It all depends on what $$ u want to spend &amp; 
  how accurate&nbsp;u want your readings to be. The WM-918 takes readings from 
  it sensors on avg. every 5sec. &amp; some measurements are only in whole 
  numbers (eg. 1 or 2 or 3, not 1.6 or 2.4 or 3.7 etc.) on some sensors (ie. the 
  rain gauge &amp; barometer) but remember - You Get What You Paid For&nbsp; 
  :)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hope this helps</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regs. Paul.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Stargazer)</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cb's from Space
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 03:01:24 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i was going through my Hard drive and came across 
amazing pics from Space,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have created a gallery and uploaded to my website 
 at  <A href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look at the news and you'll see the link to them 
there. (it should be fully up by early morning)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My favorite would have to be this one though <A 
href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>enjoy</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cb's from Space
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 03:35:06 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i have also zoomed in on the main 
attraction</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/spacezoom.jpg</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i was going through my Hard drive and came across 
  amazing pics from Space,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have created a gallery and uploaded to my 
  website  at  <A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look at the news and you'll see the link to them 
  there. (it should be fully up by early morning)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My favorite would have to be this one though <A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>enjoy</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: "Ants" prediction of Rainfall
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Mmm luckily it doesnt cost anything to dream a little<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">Hi Dale,<BR>
</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">I also have noticed this on my block out at Mt. Crosby. &nbsp;But, I put it down to the ants doing a bit of rapid house cleaning after a period of wet weather, which no doubt has kept the ants indoors plus flooded them with water to say nothing of washing sand and earth into ant holes.<BR>
</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Arial">So, no I don't think it is a prediction so much as a cleanup. &nbsp;What is good about this is I now know where to put the Antrid.<BR>
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From: "Glen O'Riley" <goriley at tsn.cc>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Does everyone recommend I buy this??
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Worst chase 
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Monring all,

With more & more of us travelling greater distances in search of amazing
weather, this email from the wx-chase list serves as a reminder to be
careful & be prepared for anything!!!

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From:    Chris Novy <chris at SIU.EDU>
Subject: Worst chase of my life 5-8-02

Wednesday has to be the worst chase day of my life.  That I didn't see
any tornadoes or decent storm structure was nothing new for me.  Here's
some details.

Original target area:   UIN-PIA-GBG-DVN

Eventual destination:   MO/IA border SE of DSM

WX: Cirrus overcast, torrential rains

Mark Sefried, Scot Kampas and I departed PIA for the Quad Cities mid
morning.  We were hopeful about the massive clearing over IA and the
projected CAPES and dew points.   We selected IA because the road
network is better than NE MO (where the SPC MDT was) and we wanted to
sty closer to (but on on) the warm front.

On the way out west I got stuck behind an old lady do 45-50 in a 60
zone.  When I had my first opportunity to pass an oncoming cop spooked
her and she hit the brakes  --putting me into a tailgating situation.
The cop continued an and I passed the lady at the next zone.  Suddenly
up comes charging the same cop from behind and he pulls me over.  This
would be the first of many times I would be stopped that day.  He wants
to know what I'm doing with all the gear in my car.  I tell him we're
out storm spotting.  He then informs me that the reason he stopped me is
because I didn't get back into my lane before the passing zone ended.
He was wrong, I did get back in time.  He was more than 2000 feet behind
me when I completed the pass and he was telling me that his calibrated
eyeballs could tell that I didn't get back into my lane.  Yea right! He
then says he has it all on video.  I've learned a long time ago not to
argue with cops.  If he writes me a ticket I could win it but it would
mean another trip to IA, wasted money, and more grief. I reiterated my
stance that I did no wrong and the cop let me go without a ticket,
warning or anything.  My guess is he thought I was one of those evil
storm chasers and he wanted to **** with me.  When I lived in Austin I
had a cop once tell me "we arrest storm chasers boy".  I now thankfully
live back in IL.

Data was horrible. Mark had continued problems with his laptop and
getting into analog dial-in systems.  He's using an Motorola Timeport
8767 and an Ositech modem. Anyone else experienced problems like this?
I know most chasers are probably using Noikia phones.  I had decent
digital coverage but none of the digital sites supported the Verizon
direct IP connections so I had no data on my laptop.

We visited two different public libraries to get data.  Both required
that we signed in and one required I complete two page form saying I
wasn't going to download child porn or start WW III with their
computers.   The models looked good but the weather didn't cooperate.
The wonderful clearing we had seen was quickly replaced by thickening
cirrus blowoff from storms developing over NE and KS.  All our lovely Cu
went away and the temperature started falling.  We decided to head south
to intercept a storm near IRK but let it go and made straight for the
IA/MO border on Rt 65 to catch some storms which our nowcasters (Blake
Naftel and Mark's brother) basically said "they look like garbage but
they are the best garbage in town".   The storms quickly became linear
with no definition.  They were moving NE at 50 MPH, the 60, and finally
one warning said 75 MPH!  Forget it, we're heading back home!

On the slow and painful drive back on Rt 136 we got stuck behind
numerous extremely slow drivers (30-40 MPH tops).  That said, any time I
pushed my vehicle above 52 MPH it started hydroplaning badly.  My tires
are about at the end of their life and I didn't want to risk an accident
so we just plodded home in the torrential rain.

About 10 miles west of Keokuk, IA while on a desolate, deserted, stretch
of Rt 136 there was a sudden bang!  Well actually it was more like a
sudden pop.  The rear window hatchback exploded inward showering the
vehicle with glass.  We quickly stopped.  There was no lightning and
there were no obstructions on the road.  We had only been doing 50 MPH
in moderate rain and the occasional big CG flash.  I used my spot light
to survey the area and all I saw was a piece of bare metal wire about 10
feet long laying in the grass.  I couldn't find any downed wires, poles,
or signs of damage.  There were no tornado-like winds to speak of
(before or after the event).  I also noticed that my river's side tail
light assembly was completely shattered and that I had a slight dent
near the gas cap on the left rear of the car and on the tail gate.  All
I can figure is that we ran over something which wrapped around the tire
and slapped into the back window or we were struck by something.  All I
know is the glass came inside the vehicle and I lost a tire and a tail
light.

We drove into Keokuk to assess the damage.  My car started making funny
noises.  We pulled over and discovered my left rear tire was flat.  All
the damage had been to the left rear of the vehicle.   I changed the
tire under a gas station canopy and fortunately they has a air machine
since my spare had only 10 PSI.  We stopped by a mini mart and fashioned
a new rear window out of cardboard, trash bags, and duct tape.   The
color cover on my left brake light had been shattered and I wanted to
stop at Walmart to get some tail light tape   but Keokuk rolls up it's
streets after 5PM.  It was already close to midnight now.

We hobbled out of Keokuk crossing the Mississippi back into Illinois.
Shortly after that an Illinois State Police car passed me going the
other way.  He radared me  --I was doing 54 in a 55.  I remember seeing
his plate, 14-44, and saying "he's going to stop me".  He turned around
and stopped me.  When he came up to the window I said "Hi 14-44!"  He
sort of smiled.  I told him what had happened back in IA and that we
were trying to get back to PIA before my car flooded.  We chatted for a
fee minutes about our common home towns (southern Illinois) and he cut
me lose.  No hassles, much nicer than that IA cop.

We got to Macomb, IL and another local cop radared me.  This time I was
slowing down, passing through 43, on my way to 35 in a 35 zone.  He too
turned around and stopped me.   He approached my car with his had on his
gun.  He was very nice and mentioned the tail light was why he focused
attention on me and said that when he saw the trash bag windows he
decided to stop me.  I can understand the hand on gun thing considering
he was pulling over a vehicle with a smashed out window and in which he
couldn't see the occupants.  Like the IA cop he too asked me what al my
gear was.  I think both cops phased it as "who are you?".  He never
asked to see my license and told me where to find the Walmart.

We stopped by Walmart, got the fixit tape, and I was back in business.
We got back to PIA about 2:30 AM.

I replaced the tail light assembly myself today.   $60

The flat tire cost $18 but the lift-it crank thingy broke and I need a
new winch.  I was able to unbolt it myself so I'll get a new one at the
dealer tomorrow and put it on myself.  I sent about an hour vacuuming
the glass out of my car.  It's still in my PC and in my hair   --after
two washings!

The back window glass came in this afternoon but the bolts that attach
to my pistons (that hold the glass hatchback up) were rusted.  I had to
order new ones and they won't be here until tomorrow --about the time I
have to leave for a job interview in Champaign.   Looks like I'll be
back in business Saturday unless there are other problems.

Lessons learned:

Cirrus sucks!

Some IA cops really suck.

I still need to get satellite data in the car. Cellular data is not
reliable.

Use Street Atlas to find libraries/data stops more often.

Always keep your video camera running in case you need evidence against
an IA cop who lies about your passing in a no passing zone.

Always carry a roll of plastic sheeting, duct tape, and tail light tape.
We lost about 1/2 hour in travel time being constantly arrested.

I need new tires badly.

Always make sure your spare has air!


Total Miles: 550
Cost of trip:  About $1 per mile

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morning all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For those following the action in the US there are 
some very nice storms at the moment in W and SW Texas with the line of storms 
expected to develop further N over the next 2-3 hours.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html">http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;--- 
sat pic - if you click on the&nbsp;area you want it&nbsp;has a great zoom in <A 
href="http://weather.cod.edu/wx/public/raob/mafskewt.GIF">http://weather.cod.edu/wx/public/raob/mafskewt.GIF</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
&lt;--- Skew T from where that action is<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The current mesoscale discussion and severe storm 
warnings suggest hail to 3 inches (7.5cm) in the 3 large storms in SW Tx and 
they suggest hail to 2 inches in the storms currently developing in the Texas 
panhandle near Amarillo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew McDonald<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 12:29:02 +1000
From: Peter Creswick <ventus45 at ihug.com.au>
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http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/hunter8812001/lst?.dir=/La+Plata+F-5+Hurricane&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/

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From: "Duncan & Mandy" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: was - Nathan from Golden Grove = snow
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:50:08 +0930
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Whaddaya reckon is the highest town in the Flinders Ranges? Melrose? Quorn?
Hawker? Not that is really matters - just curious. Good to see Adelaide is
getting some wet stuff at last! But with an El Nino, Perth will probably
have a wet winter, while Adelaide will be a little bit on the dry side.
Things are already looking that way....
Cheers,
Duncan
Alice Springs
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From: "Phil Bagust" <paisley2 at chariot.net.au>
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> >What about Mt Lofty which is over 700 metres? Surely it must snow there
each
> >year? Is Crafers the highest town in the Adelaide hills?
> >What's the highest town in the Flinders Ranges & how high would it be in
> >Metres?
> >
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> I'll weigh in there, with apologies in advance to Nathan.
>
> Mt Lofty is the highest spot in the southern Mt Lofty ranges  at  720m.
> Crafers is the highest town in the area at about 600m.  This area will get
> about one light snowfall per year - some years none, some years two.  I've
> seen snow up there on several occasions.  Never lies for very long though.
>
> Mt Bryan is the highest spot in the Northern Mt Lofty ranges  at  936m.
There
> is an extensive area over 600m in this area and a more continental climate
> with heavy frosts.  This is the area with the most frequent and heaviest
> falls in SA, along with:
>
> The Southern Flinders ranges, with Mts Brown and Remarkable  at  970m.  Once
> again a fall about once a year might be expected on these mountains.
>
> Further north, St Mary Peak in Wilpena Pound is 1171m, but it's further
> north and more continental again, often out of the way of the coldest,
> moistest air masses - but it still gets the odd fall of snow.  I've even
> seen video of snow falling on Mt Hack (1087m) in the Northern Flinders -
> I'm not sure what the atmospheric setup was there - perhaps a cut off
> easterly low rather that the classic southerly outbreak?
>
> www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/WeatherWX.html
>
> for some historic shots......
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil
>
>
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: US Storms (W and SW Texas)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:46:44 +1000
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Hey All,

Just watching the storms in the panhandle around Amarillo (AMA), and they have issued the following severe storm report:

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AMARILLO HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
  SOUTHERN POTTER COUNTY IN THE TEXAS PANHANDLE
  NORTHERN RANDALL COUNTY IN THE TEXAS PANHANDLE

* UNTIL 1215 AM CDT

* AT 1123 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
  SEVERE THUNDERSTORM 2 MILES SOUTHWEST OF BUSHLAND...OR ABOUT 16
  MILES WEST OF AMARILLO...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH.

* SOME LOCATIONS AFFECTED BY THE STORM INCLUDE...
  AMARILLO AND BUSHLAND

THIS STORM PRODUCED TENNIS BALL HAIL NORTH OF HEREFORD...AND HAS A
HISTORY OF PRODUCING STRONG WINDS.

Tennis Ball hail!!!!!!! That's really something. Considering that is at 11:45pm!!!!!!!

The storms also seem to be moving around 60mph as well....amazing speed!!!

PaulY

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Morning all,

For those following the action in the US there are some very nice storms at the moment in W and SW Texas with the line of storms
expected to develop further N over the next 2-3 hours.

http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html  <--- sat pic - if you click on the area you want it has a great zoom in
http://weather.cod.edu/wx/public/raob/mafskewt.GIF   <--- Skew T from where that action is

The current mesoscale discussion and severe storm warnings suggest hail to 3 inches (7.5cm) in the 3 large storms in SW Tx and they
suggest hail to 2 inches in the storms currently developing in the Texas panhandle near Amarillo.

Regards,

Andrew McDonald

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From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thats a great satellite angle. The cell between 
Lubbock and Childress looks tornadic on the doppler.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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updating regularly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: US Storms (W and SW 
  Texas)</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Morning all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For those following the action in the US there 
  are some very nice storms at the moment in W and SW Texas with the line of 
  storms expected to develop further N over the next 2-3 hours.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
  href="http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html">http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goes8conusir.html</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;--- 
  sat pic - if you click on the&nbsp;area you want it&nbsp;has a great zoom in 
  <A 
  href="http://weather.cod.edu/wx/public/raob/mafskewt.GIF">http://weather.cod.edu/wx/public/raob/mafskewt.GIF</A>&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  &lt;--- Skew T from where that action is<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The current mesoscale discussion and severe storm 
  warnings suggest hail to 3 inches (7.5cm) in the 3 large storms in SW Tx and 
  they suggest hail to 2 inches in the storms currently developing in the Texas 
  panhandle near Amarillo.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew 
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At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is Extreme 
>Weather.  On at 7.30pm

Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites 
AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(

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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
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John wrote
> Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
I have to ask this. Can someone please explain how if you utilise sea level
or sea surface temperature analysis for
any forecasting, that you can allow the rule out of the moon as an empirical
variable. Sea tides/levels/temps are affected by at least the following
lunar factors: phase cycle, apsidal cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal angle,
declination angle, declination hemisphere, inclination, nodal or nutation
cycle(18.613 years), tide cycle itself, variable diurnalism(daily tides of
unequal magnitude), lunar angular momentum, crossing of ecliptic, crossing
of equator, tide times and probably other cycles within cycles, without even
mentioning secondary (arguably lunar) factors such as wind speed and force,
high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, landmovement etc.
Not wishing to argue, just open up debate..
Ken Ring

>
>
> Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
take
> a day in each window.
> Ken Ring
> www.predictweather.com
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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cb's from Space
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have been informed that the pics are not working, 
upon investigation i found out its the fuction that automatically converts file 
names to lowercase, my server doesnt like things linked in uppercase and the 
actual file is lower case,&nbsp; So i will have to Upload it all 
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<DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Cb's from 
Space</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i have also zoomed in on the main 
  attraction</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/spacezoom.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/spacezoom.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
  Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
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    <A title=seangell at iprimus.com.au href="mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au">Simon 
    Angell</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:01 
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Cb's from Space</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i was going through my Hard drive and came 
    across amazing pics from Space,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have created a gallery and uploaded to my 
    website  at  <A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look at the news and you'll see the link to 
    them there. (it should be fully up by early morning)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My favorite would have to be this one though <A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>enjoy</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
    Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 15:13:32 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fortunately ive got around doing 
that..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Check back Via <A 
href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A>&nbsp;(look in the new 
section on the left for the link)&nbsp;and you'll be able to see them, i may 
resize and upload the bigger images later</FONT></DIV>
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size=2></FONT><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:35 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Cb's from 
Space</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i have also zoomed in on the main 
  attraction</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/spacezoom.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/spacezoom.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
  Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
  href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A><BR>---------------------------------------<BR>This 
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i was going through my Hard drive and came 
    across amazing pics from Space,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have created a gallery and uploaded to my 
    website  at  <A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look at the news and you'll see the link to 
    them there. (it should be fully up by early morning)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My favorite would have to be this one though <A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg">www.canberra-wx.com/tempfiles/space.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>enjoy</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><BR>Cheers<BR>---------------------------------------<BR>Simon 
    Angell<BR>Canberra, ACT<BR><A 
    href="http://www.canberra-wx.com">www.canberra-wx.com</A><BR>---------------------------------------<BR>This 
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Ruler straight cloud band.
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:26:19 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I like the look of the remarkably straight line 
cloud band moving through SA this afternoon, this upper cloud band seems to be 
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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:16:55 +1000
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Hello Mr Ring.
Could you please let me know to what percentage the SUN has to do with the
process of weather on Planet Earth in comparison to the percentage influence
the Moon has????, I note that your own web site states that the MOON
controls the weather of the Earth!. Regards Clyve Herbert......
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another strong cold front


> John wrote
> > Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> > methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> > current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
> I have to ask this. Can someone please explain how if you utilise sea
level
> or sea surface temperature analysis for
> any forecasting, that you can allow the rule out of the moon as an
empirical
> variable. Sea tides/levels/temps are affected by at least the following
> lunar factors: phase cycle, apsidal cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal angle,
> declination angle, declination hemisphere, inclination, nodal or nutation
> cycle(18.613 years), tide cycle itself, variable diurnalism(daily tides of
> unequal magnitude), lunar angular momentum, crossing of ecliptic, crossing
> of equator, tide times and probably other cycles within cycles, without
even
> mentioning secondary (arguably lunar) factors such as wind speed and
force,
> high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, landmovement etc.
> Not wishing to argue, just open up debate..
> Ken Ring
>
> >
> >
> > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
> take
> > a day in each window.
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> > the home of longrange forecasting
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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
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Tony don't panic, it doesn't appear to be on tonight.  I was sure it was
tonight, but can't see it anywhere.

I'm not impressed either, and my kids are equally unimpressed!!!!!

Carolyn

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At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is 
>Extreme
>Weather.  On at 7.30pm

Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites

AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(

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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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RE: Last message....it is on Tomorrow night!!!!!!  Sunday 12th.  7.30pm
on Prime.  Helps if you really read the TV guide!!!!!!!!

Carolyn :(

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At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is 
>Extreme
>Weather.  On at 7.30pm

Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites

AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(

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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at lexicon.net>
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Carolyn,

I think it's on tomorrow night (Sunday)  at  7:30pm on Prime TV (Ch 7)

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Tony don't panic, it doesn't appear to be on tonight.  I was sure it was
tonight, but can't see it anywhere.

I'm not impressed either, and my kids are equally unimpressed!!!!!

Carolyn

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At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is 
>Extreme
>Weather.  On at 7.30pm

Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites

AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:51:58 +1000
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It will be on sunday...
http://www.sofcom.com.au/tv/ <--Great TV guide site.

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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:34 PM
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> Tony don't panic, it doesn't appear to be on tonight.  I was sure it was
> tonight, but can't see it anywhere.
>
> I'm not impressed either, and my kids are equally unimpressed!!!!!
>
> Carolyn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon
> (VK3JED)
> Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2002 4:31 PM
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>
>
> At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is
> >Extreme
> >Weather.  On at 7.30pm
>
> Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites
>
> AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
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Hi all,
        It is not on Sunday according to www.yourtv.com.au and the "Herald
Sun":-(((((
Cheers Peter(didjman)
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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:38 PM
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> RE: Last message....it is on Tomorrow night!!!!!!  Sunday 12th.  7.30pm
> on Prime.  Helps if you really read the TV guide!!!!!!!!
>
> Carolyn :(
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon
> (VK3JED)
> Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2002 4:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
>
>
> At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>
> >Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is
> >Extreme
> >Weather.  On at 7.30pm
>
> Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites
>
> AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(
>
> 73 de Tony, VK3JED
> http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net
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>RE: Last message....it is on Tomorrow night!!!!!!  Sunday 12th.  7.30pm
>on Prime.  Helps if you really read the TV guide!!!!!!!!
>
>Carolyn :(

Still not on in Melbourne.  Same story as last Sunday. :-(  Seems to be 
regional and western OZ only. :(

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At 06:51 PM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>It will be on sunday...
>http://www.sofcom.com.au/tv/ <--Great TV guide site.

Not in Melbourne.  Will and Grace is on instead here.

Hmm, methinks it's time to partake in TV DXing. :)

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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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Well all I can say about this tv programming thing is to echo
Tony....bugga bugga bugga bugga bugga!!!!!

Carolyn 

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At 06:38 PM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>RE: Last message....it is on Tomorrow night!!!!!!  Sunday 12th.  7.30pm

>on Prime.  Helps if you really read the TV guide!!!!!!!!
>
>Carolyn :(

Still not on in Melbourne.  Same story as last Sunday. :-(  Seems to be 
regional and western OZ only. :(

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it is in Canberra and regional Centers of NSW and VIC, and possibably
anywhere you have "the wold around us" on sunday nights instead of  "will
and Grace"

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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night


> Hi all,
>         It is not on Sunday according to www.yourtv.com.au and the "Herald
> Sun":-(((((
> Cheers Peter(didjman)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 6:38 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
>
>
> > RE: Last message....it is on Tomorrow night!!!!!!  Sunday 12th.  7.30pm
> > on Prime.  Helps if you really read the TV guide!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Carolyn :(
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon
> > (VK3JED)
> > Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2002 4:31 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
> >
> >
> > At 12:10 AM 11/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > >Just saw ad for World Around Us on Prime/7,  this week's show is
> > >Extreme
> > >Weather.  On at 7.30pm
> >
> > Bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, bugga, 7 have done it to us city-ites
> >
> > AGAIN!!!  We don't have this doco in Melbourne tonight. :-(
> >
> > 73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Stargazer" <stargazer at picknowl.com.au>
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Will & Grace r infecting Ch.7 here in Adelaide too on Sunday night :((

So how big an antenna does one need here to pick up Prime TV over there?!?
lol

:)
Regs. Paul.
(Stargazer)

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Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 7:07 PM
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> it is in Canberra and regional Centers of NSW and VIC, and possibably
> anywhere you have "the wold around us" on sunday nights instead of  "will
> and Grace"
>
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At 07:36 PM 11/05/2002 +0930, you wrote:

>Will & Grace r infecting Ch.7 here in Adelaide too on Sunday night :((
>
>So how big an antenna does one need here to pick up Prime TV over there?!?
>lol

Well, look to the nearest regional station.  In Melbourne, it's actually 
not hard to pick up TV from Bendigo.  In the "good old days", amateur TV 
antennas used to be designed for channel 35 (right in the middle of UHF TV, 
where the old TV repeater used to transmit).  So anyone with that gear 
could point it towards Bendigo and get a perfect picture! :-)  Now, the 
best choice is a high gain TV antenna (the amateur stuff has moved way down 
to the bottom of UHF TV).

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can convince the landlady to let me put up 
another TV antenna. :-(

73 de Tony, VK3JED
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From: "Nathan Thompson" <pthomps3 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Current weather observation on my site.
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 00:49:27 +0930
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Hi Ken,

Sorry about misleading you - I meant the air pressure analysis, i.e., MSLP
(mean sea level pressure).  By looking at a chart of the entire Southern
hemisphere, one can get some idea of systems which are developing and likely
movement and influence for a week or so.

Sea surface temp has some bearing on rainfall, at least for SEQ I have found
that the surface temp of the adjacent off-shore body seems to have a
correlation with how much moisture is in the air - and correspondingly,
rainfall.

John.
>snip
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John wrote
> Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
I have to ask this. Can someone please explain how if you utilise sea level
or sea surface temperature analysis for
any forecasting, that you can allow the rule out of the moon as an empirical
variable. Sea tides/levels/temps are affected by at least the following
lunar factors: phase cycle, apsidal cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal angle,
declination angle, declination hemisphere, inclination, nodal or nutation
cycle(18.613 years), tide cycle itself, variable diurnalism(daily tides of
unequal magnitude), lunar angular momentum, crossing of ecliptic, crossing
of equator, tide times and probably other cycles within cycles, without even
mentioning secondary (arguably lunar) factors such as wind speed and force,
high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, landmovement etc.
Not wishing to argue, just open up debate..
Ken Ring

>
>
> Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
take
> a day in each window.
> Ken Ring
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>Whaddaya reckon is the highest town in the Flinders Ranges? Melrose? Quorn?
>Hawker? Not that is really matters - just curious. Good to see Adelaide is
>getting some wet stuff at last! But with an El Nino, Perth will probably
>have a wet winter, while Adelaide will be a little bit on the dry side.
>Things are already looking that way....
>Cheers,
>Duncan
>Alice Springs


Highest town in the Flinders?  Blinman  at  620m asl.  It's about 50km NNE of
Wilpena Pound.  Been there several times - an old copper mining town.  Very
rustic. Bit north for snow at that altitude methinks - but I guess
anything's possible.....

Phil

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Hi Ken,

I've been recently reading your site with interest - I've always had an
interest in astronomical factors that affect the weather (rather than
just Earthly ones).  But I have a few questions/comments about what you
have said in some of your information displayed on your website.

You have talked about barometric trends, and that the pressure can
effectively remain the same while the weather changes.  And rather, we
should be looking at volume and temperature changes, rather than
pressure.  You seem to imply that we should almost ignore pressure
change, is that the desired implication?  The weather can change due to
the pressure remaining the same for a variety of reasons!  For instance,
it might be 25C on a late April day…the pressure is 1023hPa with gusty
SE'lies.  The pressure might stay the same, but the high ridging into SE
QLD might move eastwards a little and direct more E'ly winds.  The
showers that were originally moving parallel to the coast therefore have
a near low level shear environment and now move towards the coast
bringing showers during the afternoon.  Another example…it's 32C on a
November afternoon, the DP is at a sticky 20C.  The pressure is
remaining constant (keeping in mind it's very difficult for the pressure
to remain constant due to the diurnal pressure fluctuations that are
related to the diurnal heating) and the skies are clear.  An upper level
trough moves into the region from the west and then things during the
afternoon explode.  The upper atmosphere plays one of the biggest role
in weather (more than the surface in many cases!)  But it isn't related
to the changes in gravitational pull from the moon - these are borne
through the atmosphere, and sometimes through conservation of potential
vorticity across mountain ranges.  So this is the main reason why
pressure is not always accurate - it doesn't take into account what the
upper atmosphere is doing, because you can have a cold pool moving over
the region.  In fact, you can have a cold pool in the mid levels, and
warm pool in the upper levels that can somewhat 'equalise' each other if
you look at a geopotential height chart!

You then continue with "There is much less atmosphere at the poles than
at the equator, because the sun and moon are at the side of the earth
and create a bulged atmosphere that is stretched higher at the equator.
The difference is great, from 13 miles up in the midlatitudes to only
1-2 miles up at the poles. As such, that protection is absent and the
cold of space comes almost to ground level, freezing everything in
sight."  

The reason there is "less atmosphere" is because the air is colder, cold
air is denser than warm air so it is more "compressed" so to speak.  The
figures of the height of the atmosphere are way off - the atmosphere is
around 600-700km thick!  I can only assume you are referring to the
troposphere - even then, the poles are more than 1-2 miles thick! 
They're closer to 5-6km from memory.  The poles are colder because they
receive less energy from the Sun.  The angle of which the Sun shines on
them is much less than at the Equator.  It's similar to shining a
torch…if you shine a torch directly down on a table you will see it is
quite bright.  But then if you put the torch at an angle, then that
light is distributed over a larger area across the table and therefore
is not as bright.  The same applies to the poles as to why they are so
cold.  Even if the troposphere was only 1-2 miles thick, then it still
wouldn't be exposed to the extreme cold of space, because there's
another 600km or so of atmosphere above it!  Including the stratosphere
and thermosphere, both of which are quite warm (much warmer than the
poles at times!)

In the same paragraph you mentioned "Take a look at any NZ or UK  
weather chart. The isobars are lowest up near the North Pole and down
near the South Pole. That   indicates less pressure there due to less
volume."

I'm not sure what you are referring to here, because the pressure at the
poles is actually quite high most of the time?  (Polar high pressure
systems).  In a broad sense, air rises at the Equator as it is hot, and
sinks at the poles because it is cold.  This sets up the basis for the
global circulation - the Hadley, Ferrel and Polar cells.  The Hadley
cell sees air rising at the Equator and then sinking at around 30
degrees north and south as it eventually cools - this sets up the
sub-tropical high pressure belt across the region (if you look at MSL
charts you will notice how much highs frequent these latitudes).  Next
is the Polar cell…because air is constantly sinking, it moves away at
the Poles.  But eventually it will warm a little and rise again - so we
see low pressure systems around the 60S/N areas - this air rises and
then moves back to the Poles (in a very brief and general sense).  The
Ferrel cell is simply a 'sympathetic circulation' that occurs in between
the Hadley and Polar cells.

On your topic of global warming you included "Fact: Like CO and N2O, CO2
is heavier than air. It is therefore utterly impossible to rise to form
a   'greenhouse cover.' It dissolves in seawater."

I'm not sure of your reasoning here (behind CO2 being heavier than air
so not rising), but I do know that CO2 is a gas that absorbs heat more
readily.  This is the key behind the greenhouse theory - that CO2 will
absorb more heat than other gases in the atmosphere, thus causing a
warming.  I'm not a huge fan of the global warming theory myself though
(simply because I don't think we have been on Earth long enough to
observe all of the potential cyclical factors that can occur in the
weather).  You also mentioned that if CO2 alone heated planets up, Mars
would be much warmer than it is - CO2 alone doesn't warm planets up at
all, it's just it absorbs more heat.  Mars is too far away from the Sun
to be hotter…even if we put more CO2 on Mars it mightn't make much of a
difference (Mars needs a proper atmosphere).

Still on greenhouse gases "Fact: More CO2 is absorbed by young plants
than by grown-up trees. Therefore if all we are worried about is CO2
absorption, it makes more sense to cut DOWN the rain forests and plant
saplings or even leave it as grass, both of which would absorb far more
CO2 than mature trees do. Yet it is hard to imagine greenie
environmentalists advocating the cutting down of the rain forests."

This isn't true though!  Because trees can be seen as a temporary CO2
storage, if you chop down a tree it will release CO2, so chopping down a
tree to plant a new tree would be pointless as you are releasing more
CO2 in the process (although from the point of stormchasing and trees,
trees being replaced with saplings would be good!  But that is a
digression :)  

Onto the atmosphere "If it wasn't distributed by the Moon daily, all of
the atmosphere would end up on the sun's side because the sun would be
the only body in space with any gravitational pull. There would be one
giant cloud always on the sun's side. We would therefore never see the
sun for the constant cloud. Moreover, trees, which need direct sun's
rays, would not photosynthesize, therefore not produce oxygen which is
so essential to life and our existence. So without the Moon there could
be no life as we know it on Earth."

I haven't heard this before, furthermore it doesn't make any sense
(well, to me at least).  The moon's gravitational pull is very weak -
the reason why tides occur isn't because it is pulling all of the water
that is facing it towards itself.  Rather, it is just strong enough to
pull a force on the water near the poles and make the central areas
bulge a little.  Otherwise, we'd see a big mass of water and tremendous
tides!  So the gravitational force is not strong enough to just pull all
of the water (or atmosphere) to one side of the planet!  The planet is
constantly changing simply due to it rotating about its axis, so that
disturbs the atmosphere itself.  One of the main mechanisms that drives
weather is the differential of heating across the Earth due to its
spherical nature.  This sets up regions of higher and lower pressure in
the surface and upper levels from the temperature gradients.  The
difference in pressure results in winds, and then Coriolis makes things
a little more interesting again by aiding in deflection.  All of these
continually mix the atmosphere - not the gravitational pull of the moon
or Sun (although I will abstain from going so far as to say they no
affect whatsoever).  

Still on global warming "This is because temperatures in most of
Antarctica are well below the melting point of ice. Down at the South
Pole, temperatures cool to at least -75deg in winter, so 2 or 3 deg
won't even dent it."

-75C is a) in winter, b) at the extreme side of the poles.  What about
in summer?  And what about at the warmer regions of the poles where
temperatures can exceed zero degrees?  Even a short period above zero
degrees can cause an ice shelf to weaken and fall into the ocean…once
this happens it is free to drift where it pleases (well, it will go with
the ocean current), but it can move into lower latitudes where the water
is warmer and melt there.

On the hydrological cycle, "A greater evaporation cycle means more rain
will form and fall back on earth and, as rain is not selective, there be
more to fall on the poles too, creating more ice and snow there."

We would all be in trouble if rain was falling frequently at the poles! 
Most of the precipitation is frozen precipitation - also, rain is very
selective, it will favour some areas and not others.  It will certainly
not increase uniformly across the Earth.

I am always interested to hear new theories though, there are a plethora
of forecasters out there who only use one or two factors to forecast the
weather - while I guess it might be impossible, what I'd like to see is
some one who integrates all of these factors into something (which is
essentially what a computer model tries to do, but it doesn't seem to
take into account astronomical influences).  I think there is little
doubt that things such as lunar and solar cycles really do influence the
weather, but to go so far as to say they are the primary and sole
influence is a bit extreme.  But that's just my opinion, and I enjoy
reading other people's thoughts!!!

AC
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At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
  over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
>donger  in a lime burners boot. 

"Thats a stange expression, Bruce"


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From: "Sha" <bilby11 at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Geomagnetic Storm Warning
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:37:25 +1000
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For your information

Love
Sha

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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:48 AM
Subject: Geomagnetic Storm Warning


Space Weather News for May 11, 2002
http://www.spaceweather.com

An unexpected interplanetary shock wave swept past Earth at 1000 UT on May
11th and triggered a moderate geomagnetic storm. High-latitude sky
watchers -- i.e., those in northern Europe, Canada and across the northern
tier of US states -- should be alert for auroras after local nightfall on
Saturday.  Although the shock wave was not a particularly strong one, it
stimulated a geomagnetic storm because the interplanetary magnetic field
near Earth is pointing south -- a condition that weakens our planet's
magnetic defenses against solar wind disturbances.  Visit spaceweather.com
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From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Another cold one in Northern Sydney
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For the second time so far this season my place between Chatswood West &
North Ryde on the Lane Cove River recorded a 7 degree temperature overnight.
Well 7.9 to be exact, but it is still in the 7 degree range!! It was cloudy
when I went to bed & not around 13 degrees at 10:30pm so I didn't expect the
temperature to get below 10 degrees.


Damian

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I had a look at your site Ken and it certainly does put a different "spin" on
things.  It reminded me of something long ago, ie, our greatest triumph in
science class at school on day.

I think we were in second form at the time (now year 8 I think).  I remember
that when tides were explained by the teacher, we kids were told (in simple
terms) that since the earth rotated each day, the water on the side near the
moon was attracted to it, hence water on the sides relative to the moon at any
instant (ie, 90 degrees of longitude east and west, or, if you like in terms of
time - ie, rotation of the earth relative to the moon position - 6 hours
(approx)) flow away from that area towards the moon, so it all banked up near
the moon and produced a high tide, and where the water went from produced a low
tide.  Six hours later, the earth had moved 90 degrees under the moon, so the
water raced from the previous high tide area to fill the low tide "hole" that
was now under the moon, and so on.  The idea was "the water chases the moon
because it is attracted by it".  He drew a circle for the earth and a small one
for the moon, with a line between their centers, and divided the earth into 4
quarters and put a circular arrow to indicate earth rotation for the 24 hours
with the 6 hour points at the 90 degree points, the whole bit.  Now that sounds
all plausible enough to a kid.

But, we had one real smart kid in our class, and he put the teacher on the
spot.  He asked a question that effectively came down to this "if the water is
attracted to the moon, why isn't the air, because it can move more easily, and
faster, than water".

We all thought this was a fair enough question.  Furthermore, since the earth
rotated west to east, and the relative motion of the moon was east to west, we
figured that both the air and the water should always be trying to race east to
west to catch the moon. With further discussion, we decided that water had a
problem ie, the land was in the way, so it "banked up" when it hit the coasts,
and that made tides bigger than they would be if there was no land in the way.
Going one step further, we figured that the air didn't have the problem the
water had, because the air could rise up over the land real easy (and Australia
is flat anyway - the blue mountains aren't really mountains, they are just
little hills) so we figured the winds should always be easterlies.

On the day in question though, we had rain thunder and lightening and a howling
cold westerly wind.  I remember the teacher, when faced with this obvious flaw
in the theory he had been helping us develop, (even the widows were rattling and
rain pelting down on them), was apparently lost for words.  Most of us, also
faced with the obvious, then thought that the teacher was full of ^*&())**......

A few seconds later the period bell went.  Saved  by the bell, he exited the
room at high speed  !!   It was the last period of the day, so we raced out and
got on our busses to go home.  The subject of tides was never raised again.



Ken Ring wrote:

> John wrote
> > Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> > methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> > current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
> I have to ask this. Can someone please explain how if you utilise sea level
> or sea surface temperature analysis for
> any forecasting, that you can allow the rule out of the moon as an empirical
> variable. Sea tides/levels/temps are affected by at least the following
> lunar factors: phase cycle, apsidal cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal angle,
> declination angle, declination hemisphere, inclination, nodal or nutation
> cycle(18.613 years), tide cycle itself, variable diurnalism(daily tides of
> unequal magnitude), lunar angular momentum, crossing of ecliptic, crossing
> of equator, tide times and probably other cycles within cycles, without even
> mentioning secondary (arguably lunar) factors such as wind speed and force,
> high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, landmovement etc.
> Not wishing to argue, just open up debate..
> Ken Ring
>
> >
> >
> > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give or
> take
> > a day in each window.
> > Ken Ring
> > www.predictweather.com
> > the home of longrange forecasting
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Hi Peter
All the weather actually goes from west to east as on isobaric charts.
Weather moves east about 13deg per day, same rate as the moon. The Pacific
Plate goes the same way, but slower, being land. The water currents would
also go from west to east if all the land wasn't in the way. Yet the earth
daily rotates FASTER to the east and so all three should actually move to
the west if it was only gravity of the earth inducing their movements
because they would lag just that much behind the earth's rotation. We know
that's not the case.
I love the school story. Funny how you never learn anything about the moon
at school. I think this goes way back to the history of schools as being
monastic institutions to deliver what was then secular religion, and the
moon was symbolic of paganism. You could almost say the first schools were
set up in part to lead people away from the moon.
regards
Ken
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> I had a look at your site Ken and it certainly does put a different "spin"
on
> things.  It reminded me of something long ago, ie, our greatest triumph in
> science class at school on day.
>
> I think we were in second form at the time (now year 8 I think).  I
remember
> that when tides were explained by the teacher, we kids were told (in
simple
> terms) that since the earth rotated each day, the water on the side near
the
> moon was attracted to it, hence water on the sides relative to the moon at
any
> instant (ie, 90 degrees of longitude east and west, or, if you like in
terms of
> time - ie, rotation of the earth relative to the moon position - 6 hours
> (approx)) flow away from that area towards the moon, so it all banked up
near
> the moon and produced a high tide, and where the water went from produced
a low
> tide.  Six hours later, the earth had moved 90 degrees under the moon, so
the
> water raced from the previous high tide area to fill the low tide "hole"
that
> was now under the moon, and so on.  The idea was "the water chases the
moon
> because it is attracted by it".  He drew a circle for the earth and a
small one
> for the moon, with a line between their centers, and divided the earth
into 4
> quarters and put a circular arrow to indicate earth rotation for the 24
hours
> with the 6 hour points at the 90 degree points, the whole bit.  Now that
sounds
> all plausible enough to a kid.
>
> But, we had one real smart kid in our class, and he put the teacher on the
> spot.  He asked a question that effectively came down to this "if the
water is
> attracted to the moon, why isn't the air, because it can move more easily,
and
> faster, than water".
>
> We all thought this was a fair enough question.  Furthermore, since the
earth
> rotated west to east, and the relative motion of the moon was east to
west, we
> figured that both the air and the water should always be trying to race
east to
> west to catch the moon. With further discussion, we decided that water had
a
> problem ie, the land was in the way, so it "banked up" when it hit the
coasts,
> and that made tides bigger than they would be if there was no land in the
way.
> Going one step further, we figured that the air didn't have the problem
the
> water had, because the air could rise up over the land real easy (and
Australia
> is flat anyway - the blue mountains aren't really mountains, they are just
> little hills) so we figured the winds should always be easterlies.
>
> On the day in question though, we had rain thunder and lightening and a
howling
> cold westerly wind.  I remember the teacher, when faced with this obvious
flaw
> in the theory he had been helping us develop, (even the widows were
rattling and
> rain pelting down on them), was apparently lost for words.  Most of us,
also
> faced with the obvious, then thought that the teacher was full of
^*&())**......
>
> A few seconds later the period bell went.  Saved  by the bell, he exited
the
> room at high speed  !!   It was the last period of the day, so we raced
out and
> got on our busses to go home.  The subject of tides was never raised
again.
>
>
>
> Ken Ring wrote:
>
> > John wrote
> > > Can I take it that this forecast is based purely upon your long range
> > > methods relating to lunar movement, and takes no account whatsoever of
> > > current Southern hemisphere surface level mean sea level analysis?
> > I have to ask this. Can someone please explain how if you utilise sea
level
> > or sea surface temperature analysis for
> > any forecasting, that you can allow the rule out of the moon as an
empirical
> > variable. Sea tides/levels/temps are affected by at least the following
> > lunar factors: phase cycle, apsidal cycle(perigee/apogee), apsidal
angle,
> > declination angle, declination hemisphere, inclination, nodal or
nutation
> > cycle(18.613 years), tide cycle itself, variable diurnalism(daily tides
of
> > unequal magnitude), lunar angular momentum, crossing of ecliptic,
crossing
> > of equator, tide times and probably other cycles within cycles, without
even
> > mentioning secondary (arguably lunar) factors such as wind speed and
force,
> > high and low pressure zones, cycles of currents, landmovement etc.
> > Not wishing to argue, just open up debate..
> > Ken Ring
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Expect rain in Perth from 11th-13th, 17th-23rd, and after 26th..give
or
> > take
> > > a day in each window.
> > > Ken Ring
> > > www.predictweather.com
> > > the home of longrange forecasting
> > >
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Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:03:18 +1000
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Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
postcard'?
The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through Crows
Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little boy & an
older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.




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From: "Simon Angell" <seangell at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another cold one in Northern Sydney
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:11:30 +1000
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Here in Canberra it got to -0.8 :::))) Not the coldest so far this Autumn,
that happened last week when it got down to -0.9, lol

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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Another cold one in Northern Sydney


> For the second time so far this season my place between Chatswood West &
> North Ryde on the Lane Cove River recorded a 7 degree temperature
overnight.
> Well 7.9 to be exact, but it is still in the 7 degree range!! It was
cloudy
> when I went to bed & not around 13 degrees at 10:30pm so I didn't expect
the
> temperature to get below 10 degrees.
>
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From: Jason Bush <mjj_pyt at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Prime/7 Saturday night
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Hi all

Not to worry.....im sure it will be shown on the City
networks a little down the track !

I can't see them just showing it on regional tv only.
:)

JJ

www.karrathaweather.org

--- "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)"
<vk3jed-1 at optushome.com.au> wrote:
> At 07:36 PM 11/05/2002 +0930, you wrote:
> 
> >Will & Grace r infecting Ch.7 here in Adelaide too
> on Sunday night :((
> >
> >So how big an antenna does one need here to pick up
> Prime TV over there?!?
> >lol
> 
> Well, look to the nearest regional station.  In
> Melbourne, it's actually 
> not hard to pick up TV from Bendigo.  In the "good
> old days", amateur TV 
> antennas used to be designed for channel 35 (right
> in the middle of UHF TV, 
> where the old TV repeater used to transmit).  So
> anyone with that gear 
> could point it towards Bendigo and get a perfect
> picture! :-)  Now, the 
> best choice is a high gain TV antenna (the amateur
> stuff has moved way down 
> to the bottom of UHF TV).
> 
> Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can convince the
> landlady to let me put up 
> another TV antenna. :-(
> 
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Subject: aus-wx: Nice snow pics Tim
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That was quiet alot of snow in Lobethal. How high is Lobethal?
Crafers, Mt Lofty, Brown, Bryan & Remarkable must have received heaps more
snow even that Lobethal during that cold burst do you think?

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Subject: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
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I have read with interest the information from both sides regarding the Moon
and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.

I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a better word)
shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's predicitions.

While I also struggle to completely understand the principle eluciated  off
due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my ignorance.

To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn about our
atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting, smacks alot of
atmospheric arrogance!

I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario, and it
certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some truth in
Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many things,
INCLUDING predicting the weather.

I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to ignorance....

Rgds, Paul

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Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??


> Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
> Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
> postcard'?
> The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
> postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through
Crows
> Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little boy &
an
> older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Another cold one in Northern Sydney
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Indeed it was, at 0630 AEST a minimum of 7.8c was recorded here, it was certainly enough to bust out the winter woolies.<BR>
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And for a dramatic opposite, 27.5c recorded at 1315 AEST.<BR>
The winter/dry season is certainly creeping upon us, in the not too distant future, so will the morning frosts and ice covered windscreens..<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE>For the second time so far this season my place between Chatswood West &amp;<BR>
North Ryde on the Lane Cove River recorded a 7 degree temperature overnight.<BR>
Well 7.9 to be exact, but it is still in the 7 degree range!! It was cloudy<BR>
when I went to bed &amp; not around 13 degrees at 10:30pm so I didn't expect the<BR>
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From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
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Anthony.....1  (fact)

Ken......0  (interesting)

PM......0  (stirer)

Anthony - I like it.  Very well thought out and logical.

Interesting ideas Ken.  Maybe placing a bit too much emphasis on one factor
though.  Think of it like a footy team squandering at the bottom of the
ladder (...Carlton).  The reason for that is not because Kouta did his knee
last year but its a combination of many many many factors.

As for Paul's comments....you seem to like sticking up for the underdog - i
haven't decided if I think that's a good thing or a bad thing yet.  Oh -
BTW - Any pics on the net yet of these NT storms?

-Macca-


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> I have read with interest the information from both sides regarding the
Moon
> and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.
>
> I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a better word)
> shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's predicitions.
>
> While I also struggle to completely understand the principle eluciated
off
> due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my ignorance.
>
> To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn about our
> atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting, smacks alot
of
> atmospheric arrogance!
>
> I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario, and it
> certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some truth in
> Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many things,
> INCLUDING predicting the weather.
>
> I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to ignorance....
>
> Rgds, Paul
>
> -----
> From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
>
>
> > Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
> > Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
> > postcard'?
> > The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
> > postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through
> Crows
> > Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little boy
&
> an
> > older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
> >
> >
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I'm gunna join in here. I also leave myself wide open as I, and I think
no-one will ever get mother natures "moods" right. I have here a reproduced
copy of Herschel's weather predictions etc that work "for ever". It will
come as an attachment if I am allowed to send it to the list which is a
no-no. Permission from Jacob and I will send it. It is a Word document
re-typed from a Coles Family Almanac from 1911. Permission from the "boss"
and I'll attach it.
Even to the point where the forecast is given for the whole of 1911. My eyes
are always wide open :-)
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> I have read with interest the information from both sides regarding the
Moon
> and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.
>
> I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a better word)
> shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's predicitions.
>
> While I also struggle to completely understand the principle eluciated
off
> due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my ignorance.
>
> To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn about our
> atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting, smacks alot
of
> atmospheric arrogance!
>
> I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario, and it
> certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some truth in
> Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many things,
> INCLUDING predicting the weather.
>
> I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to ignorance....
>
> Rgds, Paul
>
> -----
> From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
>
>
> > Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
> > Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
> > postcard'?
> > The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
> > postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through
> Crows
> > Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little boy
&
> an
> > older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
> >
> >
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Damian, from memory the snow cover was spread pretty much evenly
across the Mt Lofty and Flinders Ranges that morning. No doubt higher
peaks would've recieved a bit more though. Not sure how high Lobethal
actually is. Phil might know?
Tim.


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>
>That was quiet alot of snow in Lobethal. How high is Lobethal?
>Crafers, Mt Lofty, Brown, Bryan & Remarkable must have received heaps
more
>snow even that Lobethal during that cold burst do you think?
>
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Thanks Macca

A good summation.

Just one question though to all - while the moon has effects on  tides etc..
that are very obvious, just how can it have an effect on local weather
conditions? Surely it would be a more-or-less uniform global effect similar
to the tide and therefore have no real influence.

Eg- there is old north American folklore that suggests a crescent moon that
lies on its back indicates lots of rain ahead (ie - rain water is caught)
and a crescent moon that lies face down means dry weather ahead (ie  no
water is caught). However if this bit of folklore were true that would mean
a uniform wet and dry influence over the entire globe. We know that often
when one region floods, another is in drought.

This is why I struggle with the idea that the moon has any significant
influence on local weather or global weather - basically, it simply doesn't
produce heat.


Polite and inquisitive regards
Simon



----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon


> Anthony.....1  (fact)
>
> Ken......0  (interesting)
>
> PM......0  (stirer)
>
> Anthony - I like it.  Very well thought out and logical.
>
> Interesting ideas Ken.  Maybe placing a bit too much emphasis on one
factor
> though.  Think of it like a footy team squandering at the bottom of the
> ladder (...Carlton).  The reason for that is not because Kouta did his
knee
> last year but its a combination of many many many factors.
>
> As for Paul's comments....you seem to like sticking up for the underdog -
i
> haven't decided if I think that's a good thing or a bad thing yet.  Oh -
> BTW - Any pics on the net yet of these NT storms?
>
> -Macca-
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Mossman <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:25 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
>
>
> > I have read with interest the information from both sides regarding the
> Moon
> > and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.
> >
> > I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a better
word)
> > shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's predicitions.
> >
> > While I also struggle to completely understand the principle eluciated
> off
> > due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my ignorance.
> >
> > To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn about our
> > atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting, smacks alot
> of
> > atmospheric arrogance!
> >
> > I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario, and it
> > certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some truth in
> > Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many
things,
> > INCLUDING predicting the weather.
> >
> > I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to ignorance....
> >
> > Rgds, Paul
> >
> > -----
> > From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
> >
> >
> > > Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
> > > Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
> > > postcard'?
> > > The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
> > > postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through
> > Crows
> > > Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little
boy
> &
> > an
> > > older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
> > >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
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Evening all,

Although this debate has taken some twists and turns of late, I'm
interested in the question that was asked earlier by Clyve Herbert that
seems to be the only one that hasn't had a response yet:-

<quote>
Could you please let me know to what percentage the SUN has to do with
the process of weather on Planet Earth in comparison to the percentage
influence the Moon has????, I note that your own web site states that
the MOON controls the weather of the Earth!. Regards Clyve Herbert......
<end quote>

Ken? What percentage (not an explanation here please, just a number will
do fine) do you assign each of them?

Jane

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon


> Thanks Macca
>
> A good summation.
>
> Just one question though to all - while the moon has effects on  tides
etc..
> that are very obvious, just how can it have an effect on local weather
> conditions? Surely it would be a more-or-less uniform global effect
similar
> to the tide and therefore have no real influence.
>
> Eg- there is old north American folklore that suggests a crescent moon
that
> lies on its back indicates lots of rain ahead (ie - rain water is
caught)
> and a crescent moon that lies face down means dry weather ahead (ie
no
> water is caught). However if this bit of folklore were true that would
mean
> a uniform wet and dry influence over the entire globe. We know that
often
> when one region floods, another is in drought.
>
> This is why I struggle with the idea that the moon has any significant
> influence on local weather or global weather - basically, it simply
doesn't
> produce heat.
>
>
> Polite and inquisitive regards
> Simon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
>
>
> > Anthony.....1  (fact)
> >
> > Ken......0  (interesting)
> >
> > PM......0  (stirer)
> >
> > Anthony - I like it.  Very well thought out and logical.
> >
> > Interesting ideas Ken.  Maybe placing a bit too much emphasis on one
> factor
> > though.  Think of it like a footy team squandering at the bottom of
the
> > ladder (...Carlton).  The reason for that is not because Kouta did
his
> knee
> > last year but its a combination of many many many factors.
> >
> > As for Paul's comments....you seem to like sticking up for the
underdog -
> i
> > haven't decided if I think that's a good thing or a bad thing yet.
Oh -
> > BTW - Any pics on the net yet of these NT storms?
> >
> > -Macca-
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Mossman <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:25 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
> >
> >
> > > I have read with interest the information from both sides
regarding the
> > Moon
> > > and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.
> > >
> > > I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a
better
> word)
> > > shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's
predicitions.
> > >
> > > While I also struggle to completely understand the principle
eluciated
> > off
> > > due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my
ignorance.
> > >
> > > To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn
about our
> > > atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting,
smacks alot
> > of
> > > atmospheric arrogance!
> > >
> > > I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario,
and it
> > > certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some
truth in
> > > Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many
> things,
> > > INCLUDING predicting the weather.
> > >
> > > I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to
ignorance....
> > >
> > > Rgds, Paul
> > >
> > > -----
> > > From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
> > >
> > >
> > > > Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition
of the
> > > > Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back
of a
> > > > postcard'?
> > > > The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing
old
> > > > postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept
through
> > > Crows
> > > > Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a
little
> boy
> > &
> > > an
> > > > older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Subject: aus-wx: Bathurst this morning
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HI All.

Well its official, we finally got below zero last night with a -0.2 at AWS
in Bathurst..    real nice frost as well.   Seems like some cold weather
heading around next weekend from Lindsays reports and models.  Will know
more around Thursday!

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From: "Greg Curtis" <curtisg at ecn.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Current Brisbane Observations - new site
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Hi everyone.

I see that the BOM have added a new site on the current Brisbane
Observations page. It is at

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml

The new site is listed as: 'Reciprocal Leading Beacon'. Anybody know where
in Moreton Bay it is?

Thanks

Greg Curtis

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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:28:19 +1000
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Hi Bussie.
If you have a prediction from Herschel for 1911, I have the entire 1911
weather for all of Australia thanks to a famous meteorologist of the time a
Mr Hunt, so we can make some comparisons regards Clyve H.
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon


> I'm gunna join in here. I also leave myself wide open as I, and I think
> no-one will ever get mother natures "moods" right. I have here a
reproduced
> copy of Herschel's weather predictions etc that work "for ever". It will
> come as an attachment if I am allowed to send it to the list which is a
> no-no. Permission from Jacob and I will send it. It is a Word document
> re-typed from a Coles Family Almanac from 1911. Permission from the "boss"
> and I'll attach it.
> Even to the point where the forecast is given for the whole of 1911. My
eyes
> are always wide open :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:25 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
>
>
> > I have read with interest the information from both sides regarding the
> Moon
> > and it's effects (or possible effects) on our weather etc.
> >
> > I am quite surprised at some of the arrogance (for want of a better
word)
> > shown by some of the members of this list regarding Ken's predicitions.
> >
> > While I also struggle to completely understand the principle eluciated
> off
> > due to  I nevertheless have not written them off due to my ignorance.
> >
> > To me it seems the wetaher community still has a lot to learn about our
> > atmosphere, and to go ridiculing another art of forecasting, smacks alot
> of
> > atmospheric arrogance!
> >
> > I enjoyed the tide -v- atmosphere effects by the moon scenario, and it
> > certainly struck the possibility in me that MAYBE there is some truth in
> > Ken's theories.....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many
things,
> > INCLUDING predicting the weather.
> >
> > I would hardly call it fair to call him a charlotan due to ignorance....
> >
> > Rgds, Paul
> >
> > -----
> > From: "Damian" <damoreds at optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:33 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Tornado on the North Shore??
> >
> >
> > > Did anyone catch the news article in yesterdays Weekend Edition of the
> > > Sydney Morning Herald Headlined 'Lifes Memories all on the back of a
> > > postcard'?
> > > The article is about an exhibiton at the Don Bank Museum showing old
> > > postcards & one of the postcards is about a tornado that swept through
> > Crows
> > > Nest & Naremburn in 1906 with the photo / postcard showing a little
boy
> &
> > an
> > > older man sitting amid debris of what was once their home.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Subject: aus-wx: TC Errol.and brother.
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:40:10 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>TC Errol appears to have intensified over the past 
six hours or so with better convection although outflow favours the southwest 
flank, also Errol's twin brother (or sister if you want ) in the northern 
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From: "richard modistach" <hambone at dodo.com.au>
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Subject: Fw: Fw: aus-wx: Hopeful
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it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i tend to
speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.

regards  RM
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> At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
>   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
> >donger  in a lime burners boot.
>
> "Thats a stange expression, Bruce"
>
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From: "Shane Williams" <switch76 at winshop.com.au>
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Hi Greg.
        

        I think that the location of that beacon is on or near Gabo
Island. The original beacon was built in the early 1900's.


Regards Shane
G/C Queensland
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Hi everyone.

I see that the BOM have added a new site on the current Brisbane
Observations page. It is at

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml

The new site is listed as: 'Reciprocal Leading Beacon'. Anybody know
where
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Thanks

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Was Hopeful, now: very offtopic
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I get the feeling that John may have just given his age group away....in
the mid-seventies (yes, some of us really are that old) there was a
rather sad habit going around of calling everyone "Bruce" - you would
introduce everyone at the parties you went to like this: "Bruce, this is
Bruce, Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce, and Bruce this is Bruce.  Btw,
hi, my name's Bruce"  etc ad nauseum..........

If memory serves me correctly, it had something to do with a D grade (it
could have been lower though) movie about or starring Bruce (or was it
Bwuce) Lee.

Can someone who is also in their 40's going on 19 please fill in the
gaps here?


Jane
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> it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
> could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i
tend to
> speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.
>
> regards  RM
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> Eg- there is old north American folklore that suggests a crescent moon
that
> lies on its back indicates lots of rain ahead (ie - rain water is caught)
> and a crescent moon that lies face down means dry weather ahead (ie  no
> water is caught).
The crescent moon on its back is what you get just prior to or just after a
New moon and yes, the New moon generally brings rain so it is a general
indicator. But which way up the crescent is, i.e. holding water or not keeps
changing because the white bit always points to the sun.

> However if this bit of folklore were true that would mean a uniform wet
and dry influence over the entire globe.
It IS true all over the globe. Statistically the New moon more often than
not serves some rain. But mainly at night, and where it is night in one
place it isn't necessarily in another.

> Just one question though to all - while the moon has effects on  tides
etc..
> that are very obvious, just how can it have an effect on local weather
> conditions? Surely it would be a more-or-less uniform global effect
similar
> to the tide and therefore have no real influence.
Tides differ everywhere, as to magnitude, time and speed. Same with winds
and weather. Saying if the moon created weather then everywhere should have
the same weather is as incorrect as suggesting everywhere should have the
same tide.

> This is why I struggle with the idea that the moon has any significant
> influence on local weather or global weather - basically, it simply
doesn't
> produce heat.
Incorrect, actually. In 1995 it was discovered by Balling, Shaffer, Cerveny
of Arizona State University that in the course of a lunar cycle, global
temperatures in the troposphere are warmest about 6-8 days before Full moon
and coolest during New moon. They also found that the moon heats the poles
and there is a strong poleward transfer of heat near Full moon but the
transfer weakens near the New moon. Significant enough heat effect to alter
weather. If anyone wants the refs I can supply them. The sun produces heat
which causes evaporation and through heat rising can create convection and
wind. But the sun can't make it rain. And the sun can't make the weather
change overnight. Nor can the sun directionate the wind into high and low
pressure zones. I believe that is done by the moon.
Ken


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Ah yes - forgot about Blinman. Pretty place.
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> >Whaddaya reckon is the highest town in the Flinders Ranges? Melrose?
Quorn?
> >Hawker? Not that is really matters - just curious. Good to see Adelaide
is
> >getting some wet stuff at last! But with an El Nino, Perth will probably
> >have a wet winter, while Adelaide will be a little bit on the dry side.
> >Things are already looking that way....
> >Cheers,
> >Duncan
> >Alice Springs
>
>
> Highest town in the Flinders?  Blinman  at  620m asl.  It's about 50km NNE of
> Wilpena Pound.  Been there several times - an old copper mining town.
Very
> rustic. Bit north for snow at that altitude methinks - but I guess
> anything's possible.....
>
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Hi Jane.

If my memory is still intact from a rather more heady era, it was from an
episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Regards,
Carl.


>I get the feeling that John may have just given his age group away....in
>the mid-seventies (yes, some of us really are that old) there was a
>rather sad habit going around of calling everyone "Bruce" - you would
>introduce everyone at the parties you went to like this: "Bruce, this is
>Bruce, Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce, and Bruce this is Bruce.  Btw,
>hi, my name's Bruce"  etc ad nauseum..........
>
>If memory serves me correctly, it had something to do with a D grade (it
>could have been lower though) movie about or starring Bruce (or was it
>Bwuce) Lee.
>
>Can someone who is also in their 40's going on 19 please fill in the
>gaps here?
>
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
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>
>> it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
>> could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i
>tend to
>> speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.
>>
>> regards  RM
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
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>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:45 AM
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>>
>>
>> > At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
>> >   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
>> > >donger  in a lime burners boot.
>> >
>> > "Thats a stange expression, Bruce"
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That's a real dinkum aussie expression, John.

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> At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
>   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
> >donger  in a lime burners boot. 
> 
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Monty Python did it - or were they just taking off the original?


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> I get the feeling that John may have just given his age group away....in
> the mid-seventies (yes, some of us really are that old) there was a
> rather sad habit going around of calling everyone "Bruce" - you would
> introduce everyone at the parties you went to like this: "Bruce, this is
> Bruce, Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce, and Bruce this is Bruce.  Btw,
> hi, my name's Bruce"  etc ad nauseum..........
>
> If memory serves me correctly, it had something to do with a D grade (it
> could have been lower though) movie about or starring Bruce (or was it
> Bwuce) Lee.
>
> Can someone who is also in their 40's going on 19 please fill in the
> gaps here?
>
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
>
> > it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
> > could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i
> tend to
> > speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.
> >
> > regards  RM
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Hopeful
> >
> >
> > > At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
> > >   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
> > > >donger  in a lime burners boot.
> > >
> > > "Thats a stange expression, Bruce"
> > >
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:54:47 +1000 (EST)
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On Sun, 12 May 2002, Paul Mossman wrote:

> ....afterall our ancestors used the stars for many things,
> INCLUDING predicting the weather.

That's because their supercomputers weren't fast enough to do all the 
necessary calculations :-)

I believe our ancestors also used to sacrifice virgins to appease the
weather gods...perhaps something else we could bring back into vogue, hey
Paul?.....although if it does come back, the weather gods wouldn't be too
happy in my neck of the woods ;-)


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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The moon and it's influence on the weather ?
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On Sun, 12 May 2002, Peter Creswick wrote:

> ....Six hours later, the earth had moved 90 degrees under the moon, so the
> water raced from the previous high tide area to fill the low tide "hole" that
> was now under the moon, and so on. The idea was "the water chases the moon
> because it is attracted by it".  

I suppose this is the common misconception, that there is an actual 'flow' 
of water/air from high to low tide.  If this actually occurred with tides, 
then you'd be getting current speeds in the ocean screaming at 464 metres 
per second!!  Good luck to all the ships out there....
{value obtained by doing pi*(diameter of earth)/4 to get circumference of 
one quarter the earth, and then dividing by (6hrs*60mins*60secs)}

This is gonna be hard to explain, but all the gravity does is to create
bulges in the water/air by pulling it away from the earth on the near
side, and pulling the earth away from the water/air on the far side to
create that high tide on the opposite side.  As the earth rotates,
different sections of it will be placed 'under' the moon.  So the section
that was previously under the moon, once rotated away, will sink back down
to its normal height, while a new section will be 'under' the moon, and so
will rise.  The only thing that 'chases' the moon is the outward bulge,
NOT the actual water/air within the bulge.  So you can think of this as a
wave with the peaks at the high tide positions, and troughs at the low
tide positions.

And as you'll know from when you're out on the water, as a wave passes,
all you end up doing is bobbing up and down.  That is, you don't get
carried along with it (unless you're surfing), and nor does the water.  
Otherwise we'd end up with every marine creature being washed up on the 
shores.


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Did somebody tow Gabo Island up to Queensland?
Last time I looked it was off the East coast near the Vic-NSW border.

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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:46:48 +1000
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> 
> Hi Greg.
>         
> 
>         I think that the location of that beacon is on or near Gabo
> Island. The original beacon was built in the early 1900's.
> 
> 
> Regards Shane
> G/C Queensland
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> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:03 PM
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> Subject: aus-wx: Current Brisbane Observations - new site
> 
> Hi everyone.
> 
> I see that the BOM have added a new site on the current Brisbane
> Observations page. It is at
> 
> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDQ65113.shtml
> 
> The new site is listed as: 'Reciprocal Leading Beacon'. Anybody know
> where
> in Moreton Bay it is?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Greg Curtis
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Hi,

Tend to agree with that - but as an addendum, not that long ago, in a
memorable interview, Douglas Adams of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy fame
(now sadly departed), was able prove that all Australian men were in fact,
called Bruce.

John

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Hi Jane.

If my memory is still intact from a rather more heady era, it was from an
episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus.

Regards,
Carl.


>I get the feeling that John may have just given his age group away....in
>the mid-seventies (yes, some of us really are that old) there was a
>rather sad habit going around of calling everyone "Bruce" - you would
>introduce everyone at the parties you went to like this: "Bruce, this is
>Bruce, Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce, and Bruce this is Bruce.  Btw,
>hi, my name's Bruce"  etc ad nauseum..........
>
>If memory serves me correctly, it had something to do with a D grade (it
>could have been lower though) movie about or starring Bruce (or was it
>Bwuce) Lee.
>
>Can someone who is also in their 40's going on 19 please fill in the
>gaps here?
>
>
>Jane
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>--------------------------------
>
>
>> it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
>> could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i
>tend to
>> speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.
>>
>> regards  RM
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
>> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Hopeful
>>
>>
>> > At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
>> >   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
>> > >donger  in a lime burners boot.
>> >
>> > "Thats a stange expression, Bruce"
>> >
>> >
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The moon and it's influence on the weather ?
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> all the gravity does is to create
> bulges in the water/air by pulling it away from the earth on the near
> side, and pulling the earth away from the water/air on the far side to
> create that high tide on the opposite side.
You are correct in that there is indeed an air-bulge that follows the moon.
And attributing it to the moon's gravity is what I agree with. That's the
air-tide and that's what causes weather to change within a day.
BUT ...the high tide of the sea on the far side isn't because of any pulling
of the ocean floor, because there is nothing to stop the moon acting on all
the sea bottom at once, not just pulling the bit from the far side. My
understanding is that the other high tide can only be explained
astrologically, and that was what Sir Isaac Newton(an astrologer)was really
onto in his laws governing gravitation. Many think he wasn't properly
understood, then or since. His gravitational laws were based on astrological
principles, which depart somewhat from conventional physics, and as a lunar
weather-forecaster himself he held the moon responsible for every weather
event.
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The Herschel system will be right about 60% of the time.

> Hi Bussie.
> If you have a prediction from Herschel for 1911, I have the entire 1911
> weather for all of Australia thanks to a famous meteorologist of the time
a
> Mr Hunt, so we can make some comparisons regards Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Forecasting, Weather and the Moon
>
>
> > I'm gunna join in here. I also leave myself wide open as I, and I think
> > no-one will ever get mother natures "moods" right. I have here a
> reproduced
> > copy of Herschel's weather predictions etc that work "for ever". It will
> > come as an attachment if I am allowed to send it to the list which is a
> > no-no. Permission from Jacob and I will send it. It is a Word document
> > re-typed from a Coles Family Almanac from 1911. Permission from the
"boss"
> > and I'll attach it.
> > Even to the point where the forecast is given for the whole of 1911. My
> eyes
> > are always wide open :-)
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> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>


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>Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jimmy Deguara <jimmydeguara at rocketmail.com>
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>To: Michael Bath <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
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>Hi Michael,
>
>Due to limited time and opportunities on e-mail,
>extend our message to others that we are on the ground
>and chasing. We chased on Saturday our time Day1 (day
>after getting off the plane) rented a car and ended
>from Dallas to Southern Kansas (about 7 - 8 hour
>trip). We observed a meso with a tornado warning on
>it. No tornado but perhaps a funnel cloud or two.
>We'll check the videos later. Today there is too much
>cloud but there will be storms along the front.
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>quickly..
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>Incorrect, actually. In 1995 it was discovered by Balling, Shaffer,
>Cerveny 
>of Arizona State University that in the course of a lunar cycle, global 
>temperatures in the troposphere are warmest about 6-8 days before Full
>moon 
>and coolest during New moon. 

Ken,

given that you have no doubt got these references, could you please tell us
exactly how much warmer? - my bet is about 0.001C. 

While you are at it could you also provide an answer to Jane's email (ie %
sun/moon).

Regards,

David

PS

list members I have been totally swamped by work... hence the lack of posts,
but still enjoying the content! BTW for those who are hanging out for
winter, take a look at the models scenarios for later this week in the SE.
While it is still early days, these broadly suggest two significant frontal
passages (around Thursday, and then Saturday), with both having temperatures
cold enough for widespread alpine snow. If we see these predicted thickness
values (540gpdm and less), also watch for very strong convective showers in
SE Australian coastal areas, as the local sea surface temperatures are very
warm for this time of year.

It will be interesting to see how nature and humans react to a good cold
snap, after such a very mild start to autumn - for example, many decidious
trees in our area are still to loose their leaves.
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David
My posts are scarcely reaching the aussie-wx list anymore. Something appears
to be editing them out. I have posted a reply to Jane's letter three times.
Unfortunately it makes me appear reluctant to answer. Not the case at all. I
have cced this to aussie-wx and would be interested to know if it doesn't
appear.
To answer the question, the accepted figure is that the moon has 2.5X the
gravitational pull of the sun. That means anything the sun does, the moon
does two and a half times more so. This is weird because meteorologists
still accept the notion of a solar tide but not a lunar one.
As to the Balling figure, during a period of 5934 days(over 200 synodic
cycles)between 1979 and 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global
variation inm temperature of 0.02-0.03degC. Over 17 years of satellite data
they found the poles showed a tem range of 0.55degC during a lunar month.
This range of temps is 25 X greater than for global temps as a whole.
Ken
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> >Incorrect, actually. In 1995 it was discovered by Balling, Shaffer,
> >Cerveny
> >of Arizona State University that in the course of a lunar cycle, global
> >temperatures in the troposphere are warmest about 6-8 days before Full
> >moon
> >and coolest during New moon.
>
> Ken,
>
> given that you have no doubt got these references, could you please tell
us
> exactly how much warmer? - my bet is about 0.001C.
>
> While you are at it could you also provide an answer to Jane's email (ie %
> sun/moon).
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> PS
>
> list members I have been totally swamped by work... hence the lack of
posts,
> but still enjoying the content! BTW for those who are hanging out for
> winter, take a look at the models scenarios for later this week in the SE.
> While it is still early days, these broadly suggest two significant
frontal
> passages (around Thursday, and then Saturday), with both having
temperatures
> cold enough for widespread alpine snow. If we see these predicted
thickness
> values (540gpdm and less), also watch for very strong convective showers
in
> SE Australian coastal areas, as the local sea surface temperatures are
very
> warm for this time of year.
>
> It will be interesting to see how nature and humans react to a good cold
> snap, after such a very mild start to autumn - for example, many decidious
> trees in our area are still to loose their leaves.
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold in SEQ - was lunar-solar questions?
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Hi all,

Well I know the Southern states have certainly had some unseasonally warm
weather - but up here in SEQ it has been decidedly cool for about 2 weeks
now with quite a wintery feel, thanks to almost stationary Highs sitting
over NSW/Vic drawing cold dryish air up from somewhere near the bottom of
NZ.

Last Night's minimum at Mt. Crosby was just 9.7C (5C at Amberley with 3C
ground temp), which is the first occurence of sub 10C this year, and it has
arrived almost 2 weeks earlier than last year, and very notably without a
significant cold outbreak over Southern states as it was last year.  Also my
midnight pool temp (20.5C) is about 1C lower than this time last year
despite a recent spate of cloudless days.

So, coupled with the vigorous nature of early season cold fronts over SW
W.A., are we heading for a severe winter to counterbalance the heat of last
summer?  Or am I just seeing yet another manifestation of the general
absence of atmospheric moisture which has characterised this part of the
world since roundabout last November.

John
>snip

list members I have been totally swamped by work... hence the lack of posts,
but still enjoying the content! BTW for those who are hanging out for
winter, take a look at the models scenarios for later this week in the SE.
While it is still early days, these broadly suggest two significant frontal
passages (around Thursday, and then Saturday), with both having temperatures
cold enough for widespread alpine snow. If we see these predicted thickness
values (540gpdm and less), also watch for very strong convective showers in
SE Australian coastal areas, as the local sea surface temperatures are very
warm for this time of year.

It will be interesting to see how nature and humans react to a good cold
snap, after such a very mild start to autumn - for example, many decidious
trees in our area are still to loose their leaves.

(David Jones)

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Ken and all,

Specifically,  what part do you think the sun actually plays?  (keep in mind
this question is not just about gravity)

Jane
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David
My posts are scarcely reaching the aussie-wx list anymore. Something appears
to be editing them out. I have posted a reply to Jane's letter three times.
Unfortunately it makes me appear reluctant to answer. Not the case at all. I
have cced this to aussie-wx and would be interested to know if it doesn't
appear.
To answer the question, the accepted figure is that the moon has 2.5X the
gravitational pull of the sun. That means anything the sun does, the moon
does two and a half times more so. This is weird because meteorologists
still accept the notion of a solar tide but not a lunar one.
As to the Balling figure, during a period of 5934 days(over 200 synodic
cycles)between 1979 and 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global
variation inm temperature of 0.02-0.03degC. Over 17 years of satellite data
they found the poles showed a tem range of 0.55degC during a lunar month.
This range of temps is 25 X greater than for global temps as a whole.
Ken
www.predictweather.com


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Subject: aus-wx: lunar-solar questions?


> >Incorrect, actually. In 1995 it was discovered by Balling, Shaffer,
> >Cerveny
> >of Arizona State University that in the course of a lunar cycle, global
> >temperatures in the troposphere are warmest about 6-8 days before Full
> >moon
> >and coolest during New moon.
>
> Ken,
>
> given that you have no doubt got these references, could you please tell
us
> exactly how much warmer? - my bet is about 0.001C.
>
> While you are at it could you also provide an answer to Jane's email (ie %
> sun/moon).
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> PS
>
> list members I have been totally swamped by work... hence the lack of
posts,
> but still enjoying the content! BTW for those who are hanging out for
> winter, take a look at the models scenarios for later this week in the SE.
> While it is still early days, these broadly suggest two significant
frontal
> passages (around Thursday, and then Saturday), with both having
temperatures
> cold enough for widespread alpine snow. If we see these predicted
thickness
> values (540gpdm and less), also watch for very strong convective showers
in
> SE Australian coastal areas, as the local sea surface temperatures are
very
> warm for this time of year.
>
> It will be interesting to see how nature and humans react to a good cold
> snap, after such a very mild start to autumn - for example, many decidious
> trees in our area are still to loose their leaves.
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From: Robert Goler <Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au>
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On Mon, 13 May 2002, David Jones wrote:

> given that you have no doubt got these references, could you please tell us
> exactly how much warmer? - my bet is about 0.001C. 

Actually, if you look at the references Ken mentions, there is an increase 
in the diurnal temp range of 0.1C, which seems small.  You'll find in Geophys. 
Res. Lett. vol 26, p1605-7.  Yet to read the actual articles though.


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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Was Hopeful, now: very offtopic
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That's a sketch in Monty Python's Flying Circus. ISTR it had hats with
dangly corks in it too!

Yes, I'm over 40 (:

http://www.montypythonpages.com/sketches/bruces.htm

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> Hi Jane.
>
> If my memory is still intact from a rather more heady era, it was from an
> episode of Monty Python's Flying Circus.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
>
> >I get the feeling that John may have just given his age group away....in
> >the mid-seventies (yes, some of us really are that old) there was a
> >rather sad habit going around of calling everyone "Bruce" - you would
> >introduce everyone at the parties you went to like this: "Bruce, this is
> >Bruce, Bruce, I'd like you to meet Bruce, and Bruce this is Bruce.  Btw,
> >hi, my name's Bruce"  etc ad nauseum..........
> >
> >If memory serves me correctly, it had something to do with a D grade (it
> >could have been lower though) movie about or starring Bruce (or was it
> >Bwuce) Lee.
> >
> >Can someone who is also in their 40's going on 19 please fill in the
> >gaps here?
> >
> >
> >Jane
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >ASWA - Victoria
> >http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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> >
> >
> >> it's richard, and after today not quite so dry, 4.0mm.
> >> could be better but could be worse. as for the expression, i spose i
> >tend to
> >> speak like a scrubber at times, sorry.
> >>
> >> regards  RM
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> >> From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
> >> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:45 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Fw: aus-wx: Hopeful
> >>
> >>
> >> > At 22:14 8/05/02 +0930, you wrote:
> >> >   over here its as dry as a dead dingoes
> >> > >donger  in a lime burners boot.
> >> >
> >> > "Thats a stange expression, Bruce"
> >> >
> >> >
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: lunar-solar questions?
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:27:36 +1000
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Hi Jane and all,

I think the theory is that the heat input and massive diurnal influence of
the sun is pretty constant (ignoring sunspot cycles and variations in Earths
orbit for the moment) varying from hemisphere to hemisphere throughout the
year and that this drives the heat engines which motivate the atmosphere and
gross circulations.  No question.  But the moon, on the hand, exerts a more
variable influence according to lunar cycles, and that it is this variance
superimposed on global circulations which triggers variance in those
circulations (using chaos theory, i.e., a small perturbation can have large
consequences), leading to the weather systems as we know it.

Of course there are other things which may act to introduce variability in
gross circulations, most obviously for example, difference in heat
transmitted to the atmosphere over land versus water.  The question for me
is how significant the gravitational and other effects of the moon are in
comparison, and the answer is not so obvious.

We should keep in mind that there also may be things we as yet do not know
about.  It was only a few hundred years ago when mankind simply did not know
about or recognise half the forces we know of today (electrical charge,
magnetism, and atomic forces).  Arguably, the connection between Mass,
Gravity and Time is recognised thanks to Einstein but not understood.

What Ken and others are saying is that there is an empirical relationship
between weather systems and phases/cycles of the moon, which has been used
across countless generations and cultures.  So  why not study it, from which
we all stand to gain some enlightenment.

Regards
John.

>snip
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From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:34 AM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: RE: aus-wx: lunar-solar questions?


Ken and all,

Specifically,  what part do you think the sun actually plays?  (keep in mind
this question is not just about gravity)

Jane
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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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David
My posts are scarcely reaching the aussie-wx list anymore. Something appears
to be editing them out. I have posted a reply to Jane's letter three times.
Unfortunately it makes me appear reluctant to answer. Not the case at all. I
have cced this to aussie-wx and would be interested to know if it doesn't
appear.
To answer the question, the accepted figure is that the moon has 2.5X the
gravitational pull of the sun. That means anything the sun does, the moon
does two and a half times more so. This is weird because meteorologists
still accept the notion of a solar tide but not a lunar one.
As to the Balling figure, during a period of 5934 days(over 200 synodic
cycles)between 1979 and 1995, the phase of the moon accounted for a global
variation inm temperature of 0.02-0.03degC. Over 17 years of satellite data
they found the poles showed a tem range of 0.55degC during a lunar month.
This range of temps is 25 X greater than for global temps as a whole.
Ken
www.predictweather.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "David Jones" <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: aus-wx: lunar-solar questions?


> >Incorrect, actually. In 1995 it was discovered by Balling, Shaffer,
> >Cerveny
> >of Arizona State University that in the course of a lunar cycle, global
> >temperatures in the troposphere are warmest about 6-8 days before Full
> >moon
> >and coolest during New moon.
>
> Ken,
>
> given that you have no doubt got these references, could you please tell
us
> exactly how much warmer? - my bet is about 0.001C.
>
> While you are at it could you also provide an answer to Jane's email (ie %
> sun/moon).
>
> Regards,
>
> David
>
> PS
>
> list members I have been totally swamped by work... hence the lack of
posts,
> but still enjoying the content! BTW for those who are hanging out for
> winter, take a look at the models scenarios for later this week in the SE.
> While it is still early days, these broadly suggest two significant
frontal
> passages (around Thursday, and then Saturday), with both having
temperatures
> cold enough for widespread alpine snow. If we see these predicted
thickness
> values (540gpdm and less), also watch for very strong convective showers
in
> SE Australian coastal areas, as the local sea surface temperatures are
very
> warm for this time of year.
>
> It will be interesting to see how nature and humans react to a good cold
> snap, after such a very mild start to autumn - for example, many decidious
> trees in our area are still to loose their leaves.
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From: "Ken Ring" <ken at weatherman.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: lunar-solar questions?
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:21:34 +1200
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>The question for me
> is how significant the gravitational and other effects of the moon are in
> comparison, and the answer is not so obvious.
It has taken me 27 years off and on of watching it to get to this point.

> What Ken and others are saying is that there is an empirical relationship
> between weather systems and phases/cycles of the moon, which has been used
> across countless