http://australiasevereweather.com/ From: "GAVIN O'BRIEN" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #1412 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:11:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com You are so right !Its very boreing in Canberra Gavin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Tichborne" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: aus-wx: Re: aussie-weather-digest V1 #1412 > > Must have been snowing on Mt hutt today, surely. > > Cheers > > Steven Williams > > Auckland > > TV1 weather mentioned snow being down to about 800 metres on Mt Hutt and > around Queenstown, and I saw the alps this afternoon with a fresh coating > (somewhat more than a light dusting) this afternoon. Could be a little more > later this week and weekend with a strong disturbed west to southwest flow > likely over NZ; this might also bring gales to the southern coasts - watch > out Dunedin. All thanks to a high which will probably be stationary over > southeast Oz. (there'll probably be complaints about how boring the weather > is over there soon) > > Ben > Christchurch > NZ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: E-mailing the weather Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:33:58 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2002 15:34:20.0016 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EEC5700:01C1F05C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi les, I use the weather.com ( www.weather.com )email service that emails 2 daily 5 day forecast for me (except weekends)... It is pretty accurate in Weather conditions but temps are slightly out some times, but that is to be expected with a us based forecaster, it has the forecast for the today and the next 4 days in the Celcius form, then a small description of what to expect however this bit comes in the US temp form and not the Metric standard Cheers --------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra, ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------- This Email is virus free. Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. Virus definition file 27-04-2002. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Muir" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: aus-wx: E-mailing the weather > Does anyone know a website or server or something of that nature that > e-mails you the weather in the morning or the day before? > Thanks in Advance > > Les > (Dilbert) > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Forecaster's Perspective - storm report 12/4/2002 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:27:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2002 15:27:43.0490 (UTC) FILETIME=[92934620:01C1F05B] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree matt, fantastic read... More Svr-Wx BoM people shoud do this kind of thing... Cheers --------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra, ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------- This Email is virus free. Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. Virus definition file 27-04-2002. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: A Forecaster's Perspective - storm report 12/4/2002 > > Nice stuff Jane! Thanks for putting it up on MSC. Tell Kevin that all of us on > aussie-weather appreciate it, and would love to read more in the future :) > > Matt Smith > sydneystormchasers.com > > Jane ONeill wrote: > > > Evening all, > > > > Kevin Parkyn from BoM Severe Weather in Melbourne has put together the > > following analysis & report on the severe multicell in the SW district > > of Victoria on the 12th April. This is a unique look at a forecaster's > > perspective of a severe weather event. > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com/12_04_02kp.htm > > > > Enjoy!! > > > > Jane > > > > -------------------------------- > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > > > ASWA - Victoria > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > -------------------------------- > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:57:40 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2002 15:59:06.0195 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4C14230:01C1F05F] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Thanx pauly for going to the trouble of getting these links....its now cost me an hour that i could have been doing some work on my website, lol.:P Cheers --------------------------------------- Simon Angell Canberra, ACT www.canberra-wx.com --------------------------------------- This Email is virus free. Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. Virus definition file 27-04-2002. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Yole" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:23 PM Subject: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland > Hey All, > > Well, I guess Matt dobbed me in on this one...LOL. But doing some research, and I've found the following links regarding this > amazing outbreak. > > The NWS posted this on their IWIN website: > http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/md/public.html > > PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT > NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON > 415 PM EDT MON APR 29 2002 > > ...CHARLES COUNTY TORNADO NOW RATED AN F-5 ON THE FUJITA SCALE... > > ...LA PLATA TORNADO BECOMES THE STRONGEST TORNADO EVER RECORDED > IN MARYLAND... > > A STORM SURVEY TEAM FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IS CURRENTLY > SURVEYING TORNADO DAMAGE IN CHARLES COUNTY. > > SURVEY RESULTS INDICATE THE TORNADO WAS AN F-5 ON THE FUJITA > SCALE. WIND SPEEDS IN THIS TORNADO HAVE BEEN ESTIMATED TO BE > GREATER THAN 260 MPH. THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT AT LEAST 6 > HOMES WERE COMPLETELY WIPED OFF THEIR FOUNDATION IN CHARLES COUNTY > WITH 3 OF THESE HOMES JUST EAST OF LA PLATA. > > THIS IS THE STRONGEST TORNADO EVER RECORDED IN MARYLAND. > > THE TORNADO PATH LENGTH WAS 24 MILES IN CHARLES COUNTY AND AT LEAST > 6 MILES INTO CALVERT COUNTY. THE TORNADO WIDTH WAS 400 YARDS. THE > TORNADO TOUCHED TOWN BETWEEN RISEN AND MARBURY AS AN F-2 THEN > STRENGTHENED TO AN F-4 AS IT WENT THROUGH LA PLATA. THE TORNADO > THEN STRENGTHENED TO AN F-5 ON THE EAST SIDE OF LA PLATA. THE > TORNADO WAS AT LEAST F-4 STRENGTH AS IT MOVED TO BENEDICT IN CHARLES > COUNTY. THE TORNADO THEN TRACKED INTO CALVERT COUNTY. > > THERE ARE 3 CONFIRMED DEATHS AND OVER 90 INJURIES. > > Other sites with information and stuff are the following: > > WUSA (Washington DC) News' report (A beautiful pic of the tornado under the RFB and some amazing damage pics)) > http://www.wusatv9.com/news/news_article.asp?storyid=5935 > > WUSA also has a report by Howard Bernstein and how it reminded him of the College Park tornado of 7 months ago > http://www.wusatv9.com/weather/weather_article.asp?storyid=5952 > > CNN's report (Has some video, but CNN now want you to subscribe to watch it :o( ) > http://www.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/04/29/storm.deaths/index.html > > USA Today's report (With video) > http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2002/2002-04-29-mdf5tornado.htm > > LA Times report > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-000030686apr30.story?coll= la%2Dheadlines%2Dnation > > Images of the tornados (Check out the "Twins"!!!!!) > http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/lwx/publicpix/ > > The NewsOK.Com report (Oklahoma) > http://newsok.com/cgi-bin/show_article?ID=854707&pic=none&TP=getarticle > > NOAA's report on this event. Has some amazing damage pics (Not from the F5, but I think an F2 in KY), as well as an amazing sat > animation in either avi or mpg format (Look at the cell develop 2 states away!!!!!) > http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s896.htm > > PaulY > > Paul Yole > Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA > Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA > Cell Phone#: (040) 081-9519 > http://www.lexicon.net/yolestorm/ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dave Ellem" To: Subject: aus-wx: Offtopic: Mass Histeria!! Need Music From Singing In The Rain!!!!! Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:20:48 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Everyone! Sorry for the offtopic post, but I have an assessment task in 2 days on acid rain (I have to do a speech). I thought it would be a great into to the speech if I had the music from singing in the rain playing in the background whilst I come in with a raincoat on and the music suddenly coming to a halt once I mentioned acid rain!! Problem is that I can't find anyone that has the CD!!!! I've tried everywhere!! If anyone has the CD could they convert it to a wav file and send it too me. I probably only need the intro (ie frist 30secs of the song). I am in great need of this right away!!! If anyone could send me the file tonight or tomorrow privately to stormboy2003 at hotmail.com at the latest I would be in debt to them forever =) Thanks again and sorry for the rather offtopic post!! Dave Ellem +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Les Crossan" To: "Jane ONeill" , Subject: aus-wx: uk.sci weather thread on 'Mini-Tornados' Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:14:35 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
If you can get it everyone check out the "mini-tornados" thread on news:///uk.sci.weather . Use Google Groups http://www.google.co.uk/grphp?hl=en if you don't have it on your ISP you can view but you cannot post.
 
Jane - Isn't Harold Brooks a member of ASWA Vic / Int? If not, why not ??? (:
 
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 From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 04:54:10 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2002 18:54:36.0632 (UTC) FILETIME=[79626D80:01C1F078] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Having a look at SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on th 29-4-02 this time
 
TIME | SIZE | LOCATION                 | COUNTY  | STATE |  LAT  | LONG | COMMENTS
0133    275   5 W WEATHERFORD   PARKER    TX       3276   9789    REPORTED BY
                                                                                                        STORM SPOTTER. 
                                                                                                        (FTW)
 
0134   300    5 S BRIDGEPORT          WISE       TX       3313   9776    REPORTED BY
                                                                                                       STORM SPOTTER.    
                                                                                                       (FTW)
 
0153   450        DECATUR                 WISE        TX      3323    9760   REPORTED BY HAM
                                                                                                       RADIO OPERATOR.
                                                                                                       (FTW)
 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake

> Hi Tom and John,
>
>  From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the existence
> of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each
> season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though
> that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply
> by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say
> there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and
> they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more
> common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape
> conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.
>
> Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much
> smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities increase.
> I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in particular
> areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of Camden
> near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other
> surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also seems
> to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live and
> surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect my
> area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events
> in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the region
> near Oakdale and just to the west.
>
> On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in
> reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'
> beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes than
> the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well the
> tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage to
> one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway (the
> one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than this
> simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar
> cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively sparsely
> populated area of the US.
>
> Interesting discussion.
>
> At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom.
> >
> >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a report of
> >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage.  Denver county
> >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you
> >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous
> >Sydney hailstorm.
> >
> >But Jimmy provided this excellent link,
> >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of 2.5"
> >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to the
> >photos.  But there is no claim in this article made about the size of
> >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there is any
> >exaggeration or not.
> >
> >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm
> >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location (street)
> >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.
> >
> >Regards,
> >John W.
> > >snip
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnstone
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> >
> >
> >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:
> > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was 4.5inch hail
> > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have been
> >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have noticed
> >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to
> >understate many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate  - and
> >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have some
> >doubts.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Tom
> >
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> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
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>
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> X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:24:00 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station? Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, I have not used any other type of electronic weather station, so can't really compare. The price has always put me off those. I find the sensors on the WM-918 quite accurate. I have a BoM rain gauge for my "proper" readings and the weather station always has similar figures. I also have a thermometer in a stevenson screen and again, the weather station temps are similar. It all depends on where you place the sensors - I know my weather station temps are not as accurate when there is no wind (the sensor is not in the screen as it is too far away from my PC), and the anemometer is not giving accurate readings when a southerly is blowing - because there are lots of trees to the south. The station is very good value for $300 or even $400 ! Michael At 07:35 PM 30/4/2002 +0930, you wrote: >Michael, > >I've just got myself a WM-918 today (also for $298) - yet to set it up, >still reading the idiot's.. er.. "User Manual". >How have u found it's preformance? Do u think it's as good as the more >expensive stations? > >& thanks for the link! :)) > >Regs. Paul. >(Stargazer) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Bath" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:54 PM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station? > > > > It is not worth it. I have seen the software and it is not as good as Andy > > Keir's FreeWx: > > > > http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html > > > > I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the > > DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for >$298) > > > > Michael > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com)" Subject: aus-wx: DSW WM-918 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 08:29:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the >DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for >$298) > >Michael I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/ I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500 mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this review would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs. Regards, David Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 07:11:51 +0800 From: "Phil Smith" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: This is true for all of us! (was F5 Tornado rakes Maryland) X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.5 X-MDRemoteIP: 127.0.0.1 X-Return-Path: SmithP at ics.edu.hk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com It's not only Paul Y's links, it's everybody's links on this list. They "waste" hours and hours of my time! ... wouldn't have it any other way, though. Phil <>< International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk Web-site: http://www.drdisk.com.hk Weather: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm -----Original Message----- From: "Simon Angell" To: Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:57:40 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: F5 Tornado rakes Maryland > Thanx pauly for going to the trouble of getting these links....its now > cost > me an hour that i could have been doing some work on my website, lol.:P > > Cheers > --------------------------------------- > Simon Angell > Canberra, ACT > www.canberra-wx.com > --------------------------------------- > This Email is virus free. > Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. > Virus definition file 27-04-2002. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ----- Original Message ----- [snip] +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:28:58 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: Re: aus-wx: DSW WM-918 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi David, Check my post earlier today about the accuracy. I rarely look at the pressure readings so can't comment on those, but rain rates, temp and humidity seem accurate. Cables could be longer but it all seems to work. MB At 08:29 AM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the > >DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for > >$298) > > > >Michael > >I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to >work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See > >http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/ > >I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to >compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500 >mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this review >would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs. > >Regards, > >David > >Dr David Jones > >Climate Analysis Section >National Climate Centre >Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 >GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 >Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 >email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ================================================================== Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges co-webmaster: http://australiasevereweather.com/ North Coast NSW webmaster: http://lightningphotography.com/ Australia webmaster: http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ================================================================== +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: DSW WM-918 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:48:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 02:50:04.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5127560:01C1F0BA] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello David. I like your description of gear snobs!, I have a Davis weather wizard 3 which is basic and you have to add a tipping bucket rain gauge at extra cost, the anemometer is very good and the temp (outside) is reasonably accurate, the rain gauge is a different story which came with instructions on how to calibrate it, which I suspect were wrong, I eventually calibrated the rain gauge myself to get it as close as possible to my manual rain gauge, its working ok now except when the maggie poo blocks up the rain catch, the maggies also peck at the wind cups ( I am now on the second set). A rather good weather station though is the Davis weather monitor 2 although getting a bit expensive when buying it with 'the lot'. regards Clyve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:29 AM Subject: aus-wx: DSW WM-918 > > >I have used this program for a couple of months on my webcam page with the > >DSE WM-918 station (which they had on special leading up to Christmas for > >$298) > > > >Michael > > I must admit to having come a tad late into this discussion... thanks to > work... but note that the review of this station is not good. See > > http://www.weatherwatchers.org/wxstation/WX-200/review/ > > I have, for a while, been thinking about installing a WX station to > compliment my manual observations, and was also thinking around the ~$500 > mark. Have users of this station found it to be nearly as bad as this review > would have one believe? Or are the reviewers merely gear snobs. > > Regards, > > David > > Dr David Jones > > Climate Analysis Section > National Climate Centre > Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 > Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Clyve Herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: WA. set up. Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:40:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 02:42:00.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4B6E0E0:01C1F0B9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all.
We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain, plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low today ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24 hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H.
 X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:24:03 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: WA. set up. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yep, looks great Clyve. Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the city site today. As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which occured on the 2nd May, 1907. Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on the 3rd May, 1972. Jacob At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > Hi all. > We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal > band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like > the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain, > plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an > impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached > its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low today > ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24 > hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:21:29 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aus-wx: New Perth Record Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site today. Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C. Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm, unlikely to break their record now. Jacob At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >Yep, looks great Clyve. > >Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the >city site today. > >As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which occured on >the 2nd May, 1907. > >Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on the 3rd >May, 1972. > >Jacob > >At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal >> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like >> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain, >> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an >> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached >> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low today >> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24 >> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:43:28 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com PERTH METRO 01 13:40 34.0 13.5 29 N Just hit 34C, amazing stuff. Perth Airport record is now also broken PERTH AIRPORT 01 13:40 33.9 11.6 25 NNE JANDAKOT AIRPORT 01 13:40 32.4 12.7 30 NNE Jacob At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site >today. > >Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C. >Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm, >unlikely to break their record now. > >Jacob > > >At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: >> >>Yep, looks great Clyve. >> >>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the >>city site today. >> >>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which >occured on >>the 2nd May, 1907. >> >>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on >the 3rd >>May, 1972. >> >>Jacob >> >>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >>> >>> Hi all. >>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold frontal >>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like >>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain, >>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an >>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached >>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low >today >>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the next 24 >>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H. >> >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ashton H Anderson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:02:46 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Amazing alright Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct? Does this also beat the previous City site record?
 
Ashton
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record


PERTH METRO  01 13:40  34.0  13.5  29  N 

Just hit 34C, amazing stuff.

Perth Airport record is now also broken

PERTH AIRPORT  01 13:40  33.9  11.6  25  NNE

JANDAKOT AIRPORT  01 13:40  32.4  12.7  30  NNE

Jacob


At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>
>Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site
>today.
>
>Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C.
>Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm,
>unlikely to break their record now.
>
>Jacob
>
>
>At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote:
>>
>>Yep, looks great Clyve.
>>
>>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for the
>>city site today.
>>
>>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which
>occured on
>>the 2nd May, 1907.
>>
>>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on
>the 3rd
>>May, 1972.
>>
>>Jacob
>>
>>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold
frontal
>>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks like
>>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of rain,
>>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has an
>>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have reached
>>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low
>today
>>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the
next 24
>>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve H.
>>
>>
>>
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 X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:08:40 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Yes it does, as you probably know, the official city site has moved several times in over 100 years of records. So its not directly comparable. The old record of 32.4 was recorded on the 2nd May, 1907. Jacob At 04:02 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > Amazing alright Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct? Does > this also beat the previous City site record? > > Ashton >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jacob >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:43 PM >> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record >> >> >> >> PERTH METRO 01 13:40 34.0 13.5 29 N >> >> Just hit 34C, amazing stuff. >> >> Perth Airport record is now also broken >> >> PERTH AIRPORT 01 13:40 33.9 11.6 25 NNE >> >> JANDAKOT AIRPORT 01 13:40 32.4 12.7 30 NNE >> >> Jacob >> >> >> >> At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: >> > >> >Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site >> >today. >> > >> >Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C. >> >Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm, >> >unlikely to break their record now. >> > >> >Jacob >> > >> > >> >At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: >> >> >> >>Yep, looks great Clyve. >> >> >> >>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for >> the >> >>city site today. >> >> >> >>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which >> >occured on >> >>the 2nd May, 1907. >> >> >> >>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on >> >the 3rd >> >>May, 1972. >> >> >> >>Jacob >> >> >> >>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi all. >> >>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold >> frontal >> >>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks >> like >> >>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of >> rain, >> >>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has >> an >> >>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have >> reached >> >>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low >> >today >> >>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the >> next 24 >> >>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve >> H. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> >> message. >> >> >> ----------------------- >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> > message. >> > >> ----------------------- >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> >> ----------------------- >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:27:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 06:28:01.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[5786B520:01C1F0D9] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Hi all
I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..
he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and India...
 
As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler reports which have 0.88 size.
 
We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5" stone that fell near a spotter....

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Having a look at SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on th 29-4-02 this time
 
TIME | SIZE | LOCATION                 | COUNTY  | STATE |  LAT  | LONG | COMMENTS
0133    275   5 W WEATHERFORD   PARKER    TX       3276   9789    REPORTED BY
                                                                                                        STORM SPOTTER. 
                                                                                                        (FTW)
 
0134   300    5 S BRIDGEPORT          WISE       TX       3313   9776    REPORTED BY
                                                                                                       STORM SPOTTER.    
                                                                                                       (FTW)
 
0153   450        DECATUR                 WISE        TX      3323    9760   REPORTED BY HAM
                                                                                                       RADIO OPERATOR.
                                                                                                       (FTW)
 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake

> Hi Tom and John,
>
>  From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the existence
> of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each
> season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though
> that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply
> by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say
> there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and
> they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more
> common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape
> conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.
>
> Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much
> smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities increase.
> I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in particular
> areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of Camden
> near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other
> surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also seems
> to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live and
> surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect my
> area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events
> in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the region
> near Oakdale and just to the west.
>
> On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in
> reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'
> beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes than
> the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well the
> tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage to
> one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway (the
> one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than this
> simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar
> cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively sparsely
> populated area of the US.
>
> Interesting discussion.
>
> At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Tom.
> >
> >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a report of
> >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage.  Denver county
> >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you
> >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous
> >Sydney hailstorm.
> >
> >But Jimmy provided this excellent link,
> >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of 2.5"
> >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to the
> >photos.  But there is no claim in this article made about the size of
> >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there is any
> >exaggeration or not.
> >
> >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm
> >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location (street)
> >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.
> >
> >Regards,
> >John W.
> > >snip
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnstone
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> >
> >
> >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:
> > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was 4.5inch hail
> > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have been
> >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have noticed
> >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to
> >understate many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate  - and
> >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have some
> >doubts.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Tom
> >
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From: michael_wright at optusnet.com.au To: Subject: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:12:45 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Good evening all hows life treating you.
from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday.
 From: "Glen O'Riley" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station? Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:21:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Completely different. http://home.iprimus.com.au/andykeir/freewx.html ___________________________________ Glen O'Riley goriley at tsn.cc www.mypage.tsn.cc/oriley * Computer Repairs * Computer Sales * Computer Upgrades * Computer Networking * Computer Training * Web Page Construction * TV Antenna Installation * Livestock Work -------- Storm Chaser Firefighter SES Volunteer ACREM CB Radio Monitor Rail Fan _________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stargazer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station? > Glen, > Do u run the weather view (basic) software that comes with it, or have u got > the other weather view software that DSE is asking $90.00 for & if so is it > worth it? > > Or r u running completely different software?? > > Regs. Paul. > (Stargazer) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen O'Riley" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: What Weather Station? > > > > That is the one. Apparently they only have about 5 left in NSW. > > ___________________________________ > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:32:55 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all >I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met).. >he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved >in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and India... Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and India or you are referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events in these countries. I suspect the latter. By the way, we call these exceptionaly giant tile smashign hail as "gorilla hail". I love it:))))) > >As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is >mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler >reports which have 0.88 size. > >We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report >it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5" >stone that fell near a spotter.... Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't doubt any of these readings in particular based on the arguments in my previous e-mails. I do of course know there can be some exaggeration. Though I think most events that are able to produce the giant hail event would not usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my observations over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in particular begin with the "relatively" smaller hail (usually more isolated) but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature stage and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop less hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is such an organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say supercells in their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest giant hail events but I would not take any risks. I am wondering (suspect) if "extremely" high windshear situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic supercells are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail events. Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt the extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting warnings of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" warning. Usually somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has pointed out just in recent examples. This has been an interesting thread. Jimmy Deguara >Cheers >--------------------------------------- >Simon Angell >Canberra, ACT >www.canberra-wx.com >--------------------------------------- >This Email is virus free. >Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. >Virus definition file 27-04-2002. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >----- Original Message ----- >From: Simon Angell >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake > >Having a look at SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on >th 29-4-02 this time > >TIME | SIZE | LOCATION | COUNTY | STATE | LAT | LONG | >COMMENTS >0133 275 5 W WEATHERFORD PARKER TX 3276 9789 REPORTED >BY > >STORM SPOTTER. > >(FTW) > >0134 300 5 S >BRIDGEPORT WISE TX 3313 9776 REPORTED BY > >STORM SPOTTER. > >(FTW) > >0153 450 DECATUR WISE TX 3323 9760 > REPORTED BY HAM > >RADIO OPERATOR. > >(FTW) > >Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75") >Source --> >http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html >OR > http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html > >Cheers >--------------------------------------- >Simon Angell >Canberra, ACT >www.canberra-wx.com >--------------------------------------- >This Email is virus free. >Certified with Norton Antivirus 2002. >Virus definition file 27-04-2002. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake > > Hi Tom and John, > > > > From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the existence > > of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each > > season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though > > that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply > > by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say > > there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and > > they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more > > common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape > > conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly. > > > > Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much > > smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities increase. > > I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in particular > > areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of > Camden > > near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other > > surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also > seems > > to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live > and > > surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect my > > area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events > > in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the > region > > near Oakdale and just to the west. > > > > On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in > > reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers' > > beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes than > > the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well > the > > tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage to > > one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway > (the > > one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than > this > > simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar > > cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively > sparsely > > populated area of the US. > > > > Interesting discussion. > > > > At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hi Tom. > > > > > >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a > report of > > >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage. Denver > county > > >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you > > >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous > > >Sydney hailstorm. > > > > > >But Jimmy provided this excellent link, > > >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of > 2.5" > > >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to > the > > >photos. But there is no claim in this article made about the size of > > >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there > is any > > >exaggeration or not. > > > > > >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm > > >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location (street) > > >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event. > > > > > >Regards, > > >John W. > > > >snip > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: > aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com > > > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnstone > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM > > >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake > > > > > > > > >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote: > > > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was > 4.5inch hail > > > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have > been > > >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have > noticed > > >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to > > >understate many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate - and > > >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have some > > >doubts. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Tom > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:36:36 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Good evening all hows life treating you. >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday. Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here for another week. We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :) I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to hang around for at least another week!!! The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are also trapping smog. I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from tomorrow. :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Keith Barnett" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 19:04:02 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass Strait with an east coast low...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain > At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Good evening all hows life treating you. > >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and > >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday. > > Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here for > another week. We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :) > > I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to > hang around for at least another week!!! > > The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are also > trapping smog. I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from > tomorrow. :) > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Duncan & Mandy" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:22:22 +0930 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Even warmer than here in Alice Springs! The April average max. temp would've been broken for most of Central Australia - not much good when we spent a week floating (frying) in Dalhousie Hot Springs last week! We expected much cooler temps.! The front off the sw coast looks good for some action - hopefully it makes Adelaide. Here in Alice - fine days until October. More interest in observing other locations. Cheers, Duncan Treloar Alice Springs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" To: Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2002 3:38 pm Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record > > Yes it does, as you probably know, the official city site has moved several > times in over 100 years of records. So its not directly comparable. The old > record of 32.4 was recorded on the 2nd May, 1907. > > Jacob > > > At 04:02 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > > Amazing alright Jacob.......the City site now is Mt Lawley, correct? Does > > this also beat the previous City site record? > > > > Ashton > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Jacob > >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:43 PM > >> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New Perth Record > >> > >> > >> > >> PERTH METRO 01 13:40 34.0 13.5 29 N > >> > >> Just hit 34C, amazing stuff. > >> > >> Perth Airport record is now also broken > >> > >> PERTH AIRPORT 01 13:40 33.9 11.6 25 NNE > >> > >> JANDAKOT AIRPORT 01 13:40 32.4 12.7 30 NNE > >> > >> Jacob > >> > >> > >> > >> At 01:21 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >> > > >> >Just broke the record, 32.7 at 1:08pm is the max so far for the city site > >> >today. > >> > > >> >Perth Airport 32.9C at 12:59pm, still short of their May record of 33.7C. > >> >Still a slight chance of making it. Geraldton back down to 34.8C at 1pm, > >> >unlikely to break their record now. > >> > > >> >Jacob > >> > > >> > > >> >At 12:24 PM 1/05/2002 +0800, you wrote: > >> >> > >> >>Yep, looks great Clyve. > >> >> > >> >>Also note that we are very close to breaking the all time May record for > >> the > >> >>city site today. > >> >> > >> >>As of 12:10pm it was 31.9C in the city, the May record is 32.4 which > >> >occured on > >> >>the 2nd May, 1907. > >> >> > >> >>Geraldton at 12noon was an amazing 35.2C, their record 36.6 recorded on > >> >the 3rd > >> >>May, 1972. > >> >> > >> >>Jacob > >> >> > >> >>At 12:40 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi all. > >> >>> We should all move to southwest WA over the next few days, nice cold > >> frontal > >> >>> band with embedded storms moving southeast towards that region, looks > >> like > >> >>> the area south of Perth appears to be favoured for some good falls of > >> rain, > >> >>> plenty of moisture especially in the mid levels. The low to the west has > >> an > >> >>> impressive cold pool associated with it at 500hpa and seems to have > >> reached > >> >>> its farthest northerly location before wrapping around the maturing low > >> >today > >> >>> ,there's a slight chance of this cold pool becoming cut off over the > >> next 24 > >> >>> hours especially if a strong ridge develops to the south. regards Clyve > >> H. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> >> message. > >> >> > >> ----------------------- > >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > > >> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> > message. > >> > > >> ----------------------- > >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >> > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> > >> ----------------------- > >> jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:21:32 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 07:04 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially >in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass >Strait with an east coast low...? Well, who knows? :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net From: "Simon Angell" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 19:13:22 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2002 09:13:49.0658 (UTC) FILETIME=[8161EBA0:01C1F0F0] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
His Actual Comment...
[16:11:16] <StormSGF> yes, 4.5" hail does exist
[16:11:46] <StormSGF> infact, I'm surprised you asked that Canberra-Wx because our studies have shown that parts of AU, China, and India have bigger hail then we do
 
I assume he meant that we get bigger hail then they get....
 
Also, i was watching strom warning of the discovery channel a little earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase and got caught up in a hail storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1 to 2 inches, but the rear window got smashed then seconds later the front got shattered, although it was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it would have been 5" hail that bounced off the bonnet and hit the windscreen.. Toward the end of the story it showed a peice of giant hail in a person hand and said "this 3" hail..." to me however it looked 2" max as  was smaller than the hand it was on!!!!

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Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake

> At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi all
> >I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..
> >he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved
> >in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and India...
>
> Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are
> suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and India or you are
> referring generally to sunstantial giant hail events in these countries. I
> suspect the latter. By the way, we call these exceptionaly giant tile
> smashign hail as "gorilla hail". I love it:)))))
>
> >
> >As for the rounding to the nearest .50 of an inch, i think that it is
> >mainly rounded to the nearest 0.25 of an inch with exception of smailler
> >reports which have 0.88 size.
> >
> >We also have to remember that all they need is 1 stone of 4.5" to report
> >it, so Avg size may have been 1 or 2 inches and then there was a 4.5"
> >stone that fell near a spotter....
>
> Thanks for the verification from your IRC buddy. As I said, I don't doubt
> any of these readings in particular based on the arguments in my previous
> e-mails. I do of course know there can be some exaggeration.
>
> Though I think most events that are able to produce the giant hail event
> would not usually do it in an isolated manner - well not from my
> observations over the years. However, structurally, HP supercells in
> particular begin with the "relatively" smaller hail (usually more isolated)
> but then become larger as the main core passes over in their mature stage
> and falling more in torrents. I suspect LP supercells tend to drop less
> hail but can dump some giant stuff. I am not sure if there is such an
> organised structure. Classic supercells (or should I say supercells in
> their classic stage) are not renowned for the largest giant hail events but
> I would not take any risks. I am wondering (suspect) if "extremely" high
> windshear situations which are more aligned to the classic tornadic
> supercells are less likely to produce the extreme giant hail events.
>
> Getting back to the original purpose of the post, I again do not doubt the
> extent of the giant hail reported in the US since they are posting warnings
> of hail to 2", 3" and 4" and like I said I have seen 5" warning. Usually
> somewhere, spotters verify something of such a nature as Simon has pointed
> out just in recent examples.
>
> This has been an interesting thread.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
>
> >Cheers
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> >From: <mailto:seangell at iprimus.com.au>Simon Angell
> >To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 4:54 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> >
> >Having a look at SPC again this morning, AGAIN 4.5inch hail was reported on
> >th 29-4-02 this time
> >
> >TIME | SIZE | LOCATION                 | COUNTY  | STATE |  LAT  | LONG |
> >COMMENTS
> >0133    275   5 W WEATHERFORD   PARKER    TX       3276   9789    REPORTED
> >BY
> >
> >STORM SPOTTER.
> >
> >(FTW)
> >
> >0134   300    5 S
> >BRIDGEPORT          WISE       TX       3313   9776    REPORTED BY
> >
> >STORM SPOTTER.
> >
> >(FTW)
> >
> >0153   450        DECATUR                 WISE        TX      3323    9760
> >   REPORTED BY HAM
> >
> >RADIO OPERATOR.
> >
> >(FTW)
> >
> >Hail Sizes in 1/100 of an Inch (75 = 0.75")
> >Source -->
> ><http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html>http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/yesterday.html
> >OR
> >                 http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/020429_prt_rpts.html
> >
> >Cheers
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> >From: "Jimmy Deguara" <<mailto:jdeguara at ihug.com.au>jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> >To: <<mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:27 PM
> >Subject: RE: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> > > Hi Tom and John,
> > >
> > >  From the type of storms they have over there I do not doubt the existence
> > > of sigificant giant hailstones (4 inch hail) occurring several times each
> > > season particularly during the violent outbreak. I a not doubting though
> > > that there could be at least some slight exaggeration in recording simply
> > > by the rounding off of hailsize to the nearest 0.5 inch. But let's say
> > > there was significant hail sizes reported and therefore they do exist and
> > > they are not so uncommon. My belief is that since supercells are more
> > > common in the US due to the higher frequencies of wind shear and high cape
> > > conditions, then significant hail should occur more regularly.
> > >
> > > Of course, any particular area being hit by the hail swathe is a much
> > > smaller probability but if we go by counties, then probabilities increase.
> > > I also do not doubt that such giant hail events do occur in particular
> > > areas of Australia - some are more prone than others. The area SW of
> > Camden
> > > near Oakdale receives severe hail at a higher frequency than other
> > > surrounding areas such as Sydney. SW and Central parts of Sydney also
> > seems
> > > to have had more of the frequent hail events than say the region I live
> > and
> > > surrounds. It is extremely rare for supercell type of events to affect my
> > > area but the region in SW and Central Sydney is more prone to such events
> > > in my view based on the proximity to topographic effects such as the
> > region
> > > near Oakdale and just to the west.
> > >
> > > On a similar note and getting back to the US, I was quite interested in
> > > reading notes on (I think) Al Moller's web site about storm chasers'
> > > beliefs that the panhandle region has a higher density of tornadoes than
> > > the statistical analyses suggest (Oklahoma City as the epicentre). Well
> > the
> > > tornado we got last year is officially recorded as F3 based on damage to
> > > one building and 2 cars picked up and thrown across the 4 lane highway
> > (the
> > > one we were travelling on). I do believe the tornado was stronger than
> > this
> > > simply by the shear size, structure and significant rotation of the collar
> > > cloud. So this is only one suspect example of many in a relatively
> > sparsely
> > > populated area of the US.
> > >
> > > Interesting discussion.
> > >
> > > At 11:33 AM 30/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Tom.
> > > >
> > > >That I believe may be the case, and I had serious doubts about a
> > report of
> > > >4.5" hail in Denver county Colorado, which caused $0 damage.  Denver
> > county
> > > >is very small, just 150 odd sq kms and almost entirely built up, so you
> > > >would expect hail that size to do significant damage, as per the famous
> > > >Sydney hailstorm.
> > > >
> > > >But Jimmy provided this excellent link,
> > > >http://www.chaseday.com/hailstones.htm which shows some nice photos of
> > 2.5"
> > > >and genuine 3" hail, judged by using a ruler on my hand as compared to
> > the
> > > >photos.  But there is no claim in this article made about the size of
> > > >specific hailstones shown in the pics, so it is hard to say if there
> > is any
> > > >exaggeration or not.
> > > >
> > > >I have witnessed hail of this size in SEQ on several occasions (no storm
> > > >chasing), but would have to say that for any particular location (street)
> > > >around Brisbane it would be an approx 1 in 25 year event.
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >John W.
> > > > >snip
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From:
> > <mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com>aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> >
> > > >[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnstone
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:15 AM
> > > >To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > > >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 01:50 AM 4/30/2002 +1000, Simon Angell wrote:
> > > > >I Just had a quick look over SPC and on the 24-4-02 there was
> > 4.5inch hail
> > > > >reported, thats 11.25cm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >Now I'm not saying that those reports are untrue (and they might have
> > been
> > > >properly verified, I don't know). But in my time in the USA I have
> > noticed
> > > >a cultural difference between here and Australia. Whereas Aussies tend to
> > > >understate many things, here in the USA people like to exaggerate  - and
> > > >they do it a lot. So unless 4.5 inches was verified, I would have some
> > > >doubts.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >Tom
> > > >
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>  -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Steven Williams" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:28:42 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you shift a bit further east please. I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with thunder and hail today and snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for Invercargill. Bye Steven W ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Barnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain > Interesting too that such blocking highs are more usual over NZ especially > in summer or spring..does this mean we can expect one in June over Bass > Strait with an east coast low...? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain > > > > At 06:12 PM 1/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > > > >Good evening all hows life treating you. > > >from what i had heard on the radio 4kq showers intill friday and > > >increasing to rain intill sunday. from sunday. > > > > Well, in Melbourne, looks like that high is going to remain parked here > for > > another week. We'll have to issue a few parking tickets! :) > > > > I recall some lingering highs, but this one takes the cake - expected to > > hang around for at least another week!!! > > > > The problem is the inversions it brings (great for VHF/UHF radio) are also > > trapping smog. I'll be glad to get a couple of days up in Sydney from > > tomorrow. :) > > > > 73 de Tony, VK3JED > > http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: vk3jed-1 at 202.12.87.169 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:48:38 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: "Tony Langdon (VK3JED)" Subject: Re: aus-wx: rain rain rain and more rain Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com At 09:28 PM 1/05/2002 +1200, you wrote: >Hi, >That high over SE Australia is rudely fowling our weather (NZ). Could you >shift a bit further east please. >I like autumn sunshine. South of the South island is getting it worst with >thunder and hail today and >snow down to 700m. Tomorrow, southwest gales and squally showers for >Invercargill. I'd happily nudge it across if I could, it's trapping smog over here. :-( And I like warm days with a northerly :) 73 de Tony, VK3JED http://vk3jed.vk.irlp.net X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:46:09 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon,

Ok. So ask this person about the validity of the reports in the database which initially started this thread. I don't doubt that these counties including Australia don't get such giant hail events - after all Casino, Kingslcliff and Sydney are recent examples. I would also add Bangladesh into the equation with heat within the tropics and let's say sufficient windshear being the main reason why such giant hail can exist there. But the warmer temperatures should help in melting some of the hail so perhaps it would occur more in the elevated regions?? I am still in the process of studying the events there. I think David Croan would be in a better position to discuss some of the literature regards severe weather that is associated with the area.

The database link is:

http://www4.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-win/wwcgi.dll?wwevent~storms

There are exceptional giant hail events of 5" and greater. Have these been verified? I think the Sydney hailstorm has now been accepted as having produced the largest hailstones officially in Australia - 11 - 12cm. The 14cm hail report from Kempsey has been discounted because it was not measured.

Thanks.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:13 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
His Actual Comment...
[16:11:16] <StormSGF> yes, 4.5" hail does exist
[16:11:46] <StormSGF> infact, I'm surprised you asked that Canberra-Wx because our studies have shown that parts of AU, China, and India have bigger hail then we do
 
I assume he meant that we get bigger hail then they get....
 
Also, i was watching strom warning of the discovery channel a little earlier, and a Met from the US went on a chase and got caught up in a hail storm, from the footage i saw most has was 1 to 2 inches, but the rear window got smashed then seconds later the front got shattered, although it was still in the frame *just*, the Met said it would have been 5" hail that bounced off the bonnet and hit the windscreen.. Toward the end of the story it showed a peice of giant hail in a person hand and said "this 3" hail..." to me however it looked 2" max as  was smaller than the hand it was on!!!!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado sweeps family into lake

> At 04:27 PM 1/5/2002 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi all
> >I asked an IRC buddy about the 4.5" hail (he is a US met)..
> >he said that 4.5" hail does exist and infact studies he has been involved
> >in have shown that larger hail has fallen in parts of AU, China, and India...
>
> Could you refine your comment here. I am not sure whether you are
> suggesting if "larger" hail has fallen in AU China and India or you are
> referring generally to sunstan