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From: "Nick Sykes" <nsykes at optushome.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 13:24:19 +1000
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Hey All

I am starting to look at video cameras. I am looking at getting a camera
which takes high quality video that is easy to transfer onto a PC so that i
can make streaming mpegs etc. i will be using the video camera for almost
solely weather related video.

I have narrowed it down to the two digital formats

digital8 and DV.

At this stage I favour digital8 beacause these cams have optical zooms of up
to around 25X while DV is limited to about 10X.

I've heard that DV is easy to transfer to the computer, you can just plug it
straight into the computer, while digital8 is a bit harder and you require a
capture card.

The Sony DCRTRV330 has caught my eye, retails for around $1799, this is a
digital8 cam.

I will have about $2000 to spend.

I would appreciate if i can have some advice on

advantages of Digital8 or DV
recommend video cameras
what capture card is required (huge price range in this area)
any other advice.

Nick Sykes

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Hi all,

Just a quick check on the weather and the area of intrest seems to be around
the northern Coral Sea.
The BOM is watching a week Tropical Low..
Might be worth keeping an eye out for it.

Regards
Jason


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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:19:37 +1000
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Hi Andrew

The amount of rain that fell around Mt Kembla must have significant. The
flash flooding around Kembla Grange was similar to the 1997 event ( in that
area ) , however Mount Kembla was on the margin of the 1997 event.

I will have a report up shortly. Interesting to see the Lake about 1ft
higher yesterday. Like you I received no significant rain too.

Michael


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> Michael,
>
> It was very interesting to see the changes in rainfall across the
Illawarra.
> You were either in the right (or wrong) place to receive large rainfall
> totals, which here in Blackbutt we were definately wrong. While watching
TWC
> I noticed Albion Park had picked up around 45mm for the day, but I only
> received 3.7mm for the entire day and are around 4km east as the crow
flies.
>
> On the other hand I had a 10k race at Mt Kembla today and all the streams
> were still running chock-a-bloc, with many washouts in the roadside
ditches
> and gravel and debris all over the road in places. Must have been one
great
> little fall of rain.
>
> All up, only received approx 37mm from this event, which leaves me almost
> 70mm short of the 150mm average for March with one day to go.
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Godsman
>
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> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:18 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
>
>
> > Very localised flash flooding in the Illawarra this afternoon. 1-2 kms
> > seperates little rain from flooded roads. Kembla Grange racecourse
> > completely under water and the old Princes Hwy cut at Kembla Grange. I
> would
> > suggest you could almost double the Kembla Grange gauge rainfall to what
> > would have fallen on the escarpment. The storm ( yes it was lightning
> > active ) was pinned right on the escarpment.
> >
> > Looking at current radar and developments I think Sydney's SW and west
> could
> > be the next hot spot.
> >
> > Michael
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Hi Nick

I am no expert on Video Cameras, but I have some tips. The choice between DV
and Digital 8 in my opinion gets down to backward compatibility with you
library of 8mm tapes. If you do not have such as legacy the choice in my
mind is DV. The bit about the zoom does not make sense to me. Perhaps Sony
are putting more options into Digital 8.

I am fed up with the two Canon videos I have had. Why ? they both lacked any
infinity lock. With the later one I could lock the focus, but as soon as you
zoomed it would unlock. Trouble is weather enthusiasts have the camera
pointing at the sky, not the best thing for a auto focus to cope with. Sony
have a convenient infinity lock.

Features to look for.

* Infinity lock

* Exposure lock.

* Still images to seperate card or stick.

* Night mode- less grainy night lightning.

In my opinion the Sony's have it all over the Canon. I also would look at
Panosonic which always rates well.

Michael



> Hey All
>
> I am starting to look at video cameras. I am looking at getting a camera
> which takes high quality video that is easy to transfer onto a PC so that
i
> can make streaming mpegs etc. i will be using the video camera for almost
> solely weather related video.
>
> I have narrowed it down to the two digital formats
>
> digital8 and DV.
>
> At this stage I favour digital8 beacause these cams have optical zooms of
up
> to around 25X while DV is limited to about 10X.
>
> I've heard that DV is easy to transfer to the computer, you can just plug
it
> straight into the computer, while digital8 is a bit harder and you require
a
> capture card.
>
> The Sony DCRTRV330 has caught my eye, retails for around $1799, this is a
> digital8 cam.
>
> I will have about $2000 to spend.
>
> I would appreciate if i can have some advice on
>
> advantages of Digital8 or DV
> recommend video cameras
> what capture card is required (huge price range in this area)
> any other advice.
>
> Nick Sykes
>
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Hi Michael,

Just wondering about this Canon attack :) Not worried but the infinity was 
easily achieved on mine which should have been similar to yours - ie I used 
to zoom in on something make auto-focus off. Michael Bath I would think 
would have done the same.

Another thing to look at is the types of lens the cameras use. The Canon 
apparently had good lens - well mine is still there:)

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:28 PM 1/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Nick
>
>I am no expert on Video Cameras, but I have some tips. The choice between DV
>and Digital 8 in my opinion gets down to backward compatibility with you
>library of 8mm tapes. If you do not have such as legacy the choice in my
>mind is DV. The bit about the zoom does not make sense to me. Perhaps Sony
>are putting more options into Digital 8.
>
>I am fed up with the two Canon videos I have had. Why ? they both lacked any
>infinity lock. With the later one I could lock the focus, but as soon as you
>zoomed it would unlock. Trouble is weather enthusiasts have the camera
>pointing at the sky, not the best thing for a auto focus to cope with. Sony
>have a convenient infinity lock.
>
>Features to look for.
>
>* Infinity lock
>
>* Exposure lock.
>
>* Still images to seperate card or stick.
>
>* Night mode- less grainy night lightning.
>
>In my opinion the Sony's have it all over the Canon. I also would look at
>Panosonic which always rates well.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
> > Hey All
> >
> > I am starting to look at video cameras. I am looking at getting a camera
> > which takes high quality video that is easy to transfer onto a PC so that
>i
> > can make streaming mpegs etc. i will be using the video camera for almost
> > solely weather related video.
> >
> > I have narrowed it down to the two digital formats
> >
> > digital8 and DV.
> >
> > At this stage I favour digital8 beacause these cams have optical zooms of
>up
> > to around 25X while DV is limited to about 10X.
> >
> > I've heard that DV is easy to transfer to the computer, you can just plug
>it
> > straight into the computer, while digital8 is a bit harder and you require
>a
> > capture card.
> >
> > The Sony DCRTRV330 has caught my eye, retails for around $1799, this is a
> > digital8 cam.
> >
> > I will have about $2000 to spend.
> >
> > I would appreciate if i can have some advice on
> >
> > advantages of Digital8 or DV
> > recommend video cameras
> > what capture card is required (huge price range in this area)
> > any other advice.
> >
> > Nick Sykes
> >
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Flash flood report - Illawarra 29th March
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:06:43 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Small report at</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some pictures, etc</FONT></DIV>
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There were a few wintry type of thunderclap showers around Christchurch
today and Canterbury. Great hail/thunder showers out there on Banks
Peninsula according to Ben Tichbourne.Reports of hail on roof so loud that
any possible sound of thunder drowned out by the hail.
Hail showers of the wintry type occuring in varying situations as they
passed over ChCh/Canterbury today , nothing of the larger ones as what you
would expect in proper thunderstorms.
Thunder very erratic though. One good clap around 8:25am, probably woke up
people trying to sleep in on this Easter morning ... then nothing
Another one off 'Clap' about 5pm and another just before at 10:25pm
The interesting feature about these 'claps' were than nothing happened with
them.
Anyway the low should deepen around the Chathams before moving further east.
Imagine if this system intensified if it was a bit closer to NZ !!


JohnGaul
NZ Thunderstorm Soc


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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: WA long wave trough.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its that time of the year again with the high 
pressure belt across southern&nbsp; Aus: showing progressive strengthening over 
the past few weeks, the next high southwest of&nbsp; Perth looks to gain further 
strength overnight infact the BOM has it up to 1036hpa later Tuesday (somebody 
please help us). On the more positive side though, the long wave trough over WA 
is persistent and may strengthen on Tuesday, there's a good mid and upper 
tropical moisture plume extending across WA in the baroclinic zone ahead of 
the&nbsp; trough. That area of low level convergence in the north Coral sea 
seems to lack upper divergent support at the moment and is developing under a 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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Hi Jimmy

I must admit that my first Canon ( which was stolen ) was far superior to
the replacement. The replacement camera although more modern has some
glaring problems. The first is the infinity lock, as you note you can lock,
but as soon as you hit the zoom it unlocks. The first camera's autofocus did
not wander as much, this one is like a dogs breakfast.

The second problem is the tape squeaks, and this actually gets recorded. It
is not the tape, they all ( tapes )squeak.

I realise the Canon has a good lens, and a good stability system.

Michael


>
> Just wondering about this Canon attack :) Not worried but the infinity was
> easily achieved on mine which should have been similar to yours - ie I
used
> to zoom in on something make auto-focus off. Michael Bath I would think
> would have done the same.
>
> Another thing to look at is the types of lens the cameras use. The Canon
> apparently had good lens - well mine is still there:)
>


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Hi Michael/Jimmy and all.
I still have my Canon uc 4000, the lens is ok but the auto focus drives me
nuts, it does not see clouds as infinity and will whirl between close up and
infinity and will not settle, it also eats battery power, I only use it as a
back up now. My other camcorder is a basic Sony vid 8, the auto focus is
good and will focus on cloud, however it has a very sensitive dew detector
and I have missed what I would consider very spectacular storm
opportunities, on one occasion I actually had to use a hair dryer!! to warm
up the video head to avoid completely missing a tornado, that was one
occasion I still have nightmares about....regards Clyve Herbert.
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>
> Hi Jimmy
>
> I must admit that my first Canon ( which was stolen ) was far superior to
> the replacement. The replacement camera although more modern has some
> glaring problems. The first is the infinity lock, as you note you can
lock,
> but as soon as you hit the zoom it unlocks. The first camera's autofocus
did
> not wander as much, this one is like a dogs breakfast.
>
> The second problem is the tape squeaks, and this actually gets recorded.
It
> is not the tape, they all ( tapes )squeak.
>
> I realise the Canon has a good lens, and a good stability system.
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > Just wondering about this Canon attack :) Not worried but the infinity
was
> > easily achieved on mine which should have been similar to yours - ie I
> used
> > to zoom in on something make auto-focus off. Michael Bath I would think
> > would have done the same.
> >
> > Another thing to look at is the types of lens the cameras use. The Canon
> > apparently had good lens - well mine is still there:)
> >
>
>
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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Snowfalls in NSW-QLD
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:16:34 +1000
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<DIV><FONT size=2>In IRC a few of us were discussing the snow events of 1986. It 
was mentioned that there were report of snow on Mt Cootha around that time (or a 
few years earlier). There was also reports of snow from the Northern Suburbs of 
Sydney that year.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>We were also wondering if Mt Bartle Frere near Babinda in 
northern QLD has had snow on it? Its 1622m high and i recall that it was 
mentioned on this list that it may have recieved a dusting or two of 
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accounts where snow has been reported in places that are out of the 
ordinary?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Dating vs Married </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... Farting is never an issue </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....You make sure there's nothing flammable near your 
husband at all times </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He takes you out to have a good time </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He brings home a 6 pack, and says "What are you 
going to drink?" </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He holds your hand in public </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He flicks your ear in public </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... A Single bed for 2 isn't THAT bad </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....A King size bed feels like an army cot </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... You are turned on at the sight of him naked </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....You think to yourself...."Was he ALWAYS this 
hairy????" </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... You enjoyed foreplay </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....You tell him "If we have sex, will you leave me 
alone???" </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He hugs you, when he walks by you ...for no reason 
</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He grabs your boob any chance he gets </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... You picture the two of you together, growing old 
together </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....You wonder who will die first </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... Just looking at him makes you feel all "mushy" 
</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....When you look at him, you want to claw his eyes 
out. </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He knows what the "hamper" is </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....The floor will suffice as a dirty clothes storage 
area </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He understands if you "aren't in the mood" </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He says "It's your job." </DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He understands that you have "male" friends </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He thinks they are all out to steal you away 
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He likes to "discuss" things </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He develops a "blank" stare </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are dating..... He calls you by name </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>When you are married ....He calls you "Hey" and refers to you when speaking 
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<x-flowed>
The trick with my Canon is to zoom fully out, let the camera auto focus on 
something in the distance at infinity, then press the auto-focus off 
button. Then you can zoom in and out with everything locked at infinity 
focus. Mine is the UC100 purchased in July 95.

MB


At 10:23 PM 1/4/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Hi Jimmy
>
>I must admit that my first Canon ( which was stolen ) was far superior to
>the replacement. The replacement camera although more modern has some
>glaring problems. The first is the infinity lock, as you note you can lock,
>but as soon as you hit the zoom it unlocks. The first camera's autofocus did
>not wander as much, this one is like a dogs breakfast.
>
>The second problem is the tape squeaks, and this actually gets recorded. It
>is not the tape, they all ( tapes )squeak.
>
>I realise the Canon has a good lens, and a good stability system.
>
>Michael
>
>
> >
> > Just wondering about this Canon attack :) Not worried but the infinity was
> > easily achieved on mine which should have been similar to yours - ie I
>used
> > to zoom in on something make auto-focus off. Michael Bath I would think
> > would have done the same.
> >
> > Another thing to look at is the types of lens the cameras use. The Canon
> > apparently had good lens - well mine is still there:)
> >
>
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<DIV><SPAN class=342574123-01042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>Aparently Kempsey area got around 212.5mm on either friday or 
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Glen,

Have a look at http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/nsw/midnorth.shtml

Go then to the Latest Observations heading on the right, and click on 24 
Hour Rainfalls. This should bring up the 24 hour rainfall totals for the 
past week or so.

Also have a look at this thread on the WZ Forum:
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000425

That you give you some info hopefully!!

Cheers

David Sercombe
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<DIV><FONT size=2>FROM SAM MCDONALD::</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>__</DIV>
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<DIV>I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984. Stanthorpe 
on the Granite Belt had&nbsp; 4-6 inches in the town and surrounding such as 
Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in areas. My source here is the 
"Border Post". I have a lift out on the snowfall...b/w of course but it looks 
heavy...... i wish 84 would return oneday.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years.... Regions 
heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town near Murwillumba... 
where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C at Springbrook after a low of 
-4C.&nbsp; There is a video of this snowfall at Springbrook.. i will have to see 
it again. On the 27th July 2000... there was a brief snowfall at 
Springbrook..... It has some pretty mean frosts in winter...check out the photos 
under Tallai Weather on:</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.</DIV>
<DIV>Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent 
snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting here.... 
"Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief snowfall at Thornton 
at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....</DIV>
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<DIV>Courier Mail July 4th 1984.</DIV>
<DIV>"Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into NSW and 
west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a dozen Brisbane 
suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 
3cm was recorded.</DIV>
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<DIV>Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld highest peak 
<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>Bartle Frere</FONT> </FONT><FONT size=3>at 1622m. 
Herberton elevation is around 800-900 metres. So i think snow would've been 
possible at Bartle Frere. And also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National 
Park... highest peak there is 1250metres.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>cheers</DIV>
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Mt Kembla had 172 mm in the 24 hours to 9am Saturday. This was the top
fall I can find in the area. Of this 60 mm fell in the hour from 11.30
am to 12.30 pm and 122 mm in the 3 hours from 9.50 am to 12.50 pm ! 
Other 24 hour totals (to 9 am Sat) included Dombarton 97, Huntley 95,
Wongawilli 76,Figtree 80  and Kieraville 43.
On the coast Port Kempbla had 25 and Warilla just 4 mm.

Don White

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew
> 
> The amount of rain that fell around Mt Kembla must have significant. The
> flash flooding around Kembla Grange was similar to the 1997 event ( in that
> area ) , however Mount Kembla was on the margin of the 1997 event.
> 
> I will have a report up shortly. Interesting to see the Lake about 1ft
> higher yesterday. Like you I received no significant rain too.
> 
> Michael
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Godsman" <g-man1 at bigpond.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:25 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
> 
> > Michael,
> >
> > It was very interesting to see the changes in rainfall across the
> Illawarra.
> > You were either in the right (or wrong) place to receive large rainfall
> > totals, which here in Blackbutt we were definately wrong. While watching
> TWC
> > I noticed Albion Park had picked up around 45mm for the day, but I only
> > received 3.7mm for the entire day and are around 4km east as the crow
> flies.
> >
> > On the other hand I had a 10k race at Mt Kembla today and all the streams
> > were still running chock-a-bloc, with many washouts in the roadside
> ditches
> > and gravel and debris all over the road in places. Must have been one
> great
> > little fall of rain.
> >
> > All up, only received approx 37mm from this event, which leaves me almost
> > 70mm short of the 150mm average for March with one day to go.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Andrew Godsman
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:18 PM
> > Subject: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
> >
> >
> > > Very localised flash flooding in the Illawarra this afternoon. 1-2 kms
> > > seperates little rain from flooded roads. Kembla Grange racecourse
> > > completely under water and the old Princes Hwy cut at Kembla Grange. I
> > would
> > > suggest you could almost double the Kembla Grange gauge rainfall to what
> > > would have fallen on the escarpment. The storm ( yes it was lightning
> > > active ) was pinned right on the escarpment.
> > >
> > > Looking at current radar and developments I think Sydney's SW and west
> > could
> > > be the next hot spot.
> > >
> > > Michael
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In message <001901c1da16$332e69e0$c37854d2 at oemcomputer>, dann
weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> writes
>    FROM SAM MCDONALD::
>    __
>     
>    I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984. 
>    Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and 
>    surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in 
>    areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on 
>    the snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 
>    would return oneday.
>     

Laurier Williams posted the following a couple of years ago:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
It took me a while to find the references for this.

I believe the farthest north that snow has been reported in Queensland
(and Australia) is the Clarke Range, which runs from southwest to
northwest of Mackay at about 21S and about 300km north of the Tropic
of Capricorn. The date was 19 July 1965, when snow fell over much of
the area from the Bunya Mountains in the east and beyond the Maranoa
River in the west, northwards to the upper Warrego catchment NE of
Charleville and across to within 60km of the coast in the Eungella
National Park west of Mackay. It was the most widespread fall in
Queensland history, with snow falling for the only recorded time to
date at many locations. The same event gave much of eastern NSW heavy
snow, also for the only recorded time in some locations. The snowfall
at Eungella occurred just on dusk in the Dalrymple Heights area,
around 700 metres a.s.l. and didn't settle.

The heaviest falls were in an area from Chinchilla, Surat and
Mungallala in the south to Wondoan and Injune in the north where snow
fell for up to 3 hours between sunrise and noon. Snowflakes 2cm in
diameter were seen in Surat, and drifts to 5cm were reported out of
the town. In Roma, snow fell for half an hour just before midday with
a temperature of 2 degrees, settling briefly on the ground in town but
lying for around an hour in the nearby country. Northwards at Injune,
snow lay down to 700m, persisting for a day in sheltered places.
Farther northwest, snow fell for up to an hour in the Drummond Range
just south of the Tropic of Capricorn,  from Bogantungan west to Alpha
and Jericho and southwest almost to Tambo.

Information for the above is from Bureau Notes on the Weather and
weather reviews,  press research by Don White and my own data
collection.

I have seen a report of snow falling in the Cloncurry area early this
century, though melting on reaching the ground. I don't have a date or
any other information. Cloncurry is at 20.7S, so if verified this
would have to be a contender for farthest north snow, though with an
altitude of 200m it sounds dubious. 

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Hi Dann,
Yes July 1984 was pretty amazing. I can remember lots of kids being late to 
school as their parents took them up to the Tamworth lookout to play in the snow. 
I seem to recall that it was a complete nightmare for the police trying to deal with 
the crowd up there (most of whom had never driven in snow before).

I have some pics from this day of the snow south of Manilla NSW (45 km North of 
Tamworth) at an elevation of around 400m.  My great aunt who took them is now 
in her 80's and has lived in the same location for almost her entire life, this is the 
only time that she can recall that snow falls have taken place at this location. 
http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm

Rhett

> dann weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> 
> FROM SAM MCDONALD::
> __
>  
> I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984.
> Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and
> surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in
> areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on the
> snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 would
> return oneday.
> 
> Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years....
> Regions heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town
> near Murwillumba... where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C at
> Springbrook after a low of -4C.  There is a video of this snowfall at
> Springbrook.. i will have to see it again. On the 27th July 2000...
> there was a brief snowfall at Springbrook..... It has some pretty
> mean frosts in winter...check out the photos under Tallai Weather on:
> http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html
> 
> Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.
> Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent
> snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting
> here.... "Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief
> snowfall at Thornton at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....
> 
> Courier Mail July 4th 1984.
> "Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into
> NSW and west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a
> dozen Brisbane suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from
> Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 3cm was recorded.
> 
> Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld highest
> peak Bartle Frere at 1622m. Herberton elevation is around 800-900
> metres. So i think snow would've been possible at Bartle Frere. And
> also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National Park... highest peak
> there is 1250metres.
> 
> cheers
> Sam
> ____
> 
> 
> dann


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We had a freak deluge of hail last night in auckland. The racket woke me up.
I opened the front door
and hail stones came flying in. No thunder though. Fine day today but very
freash. High 16C.
Steven Williams
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>
>
> There were a few wintry type of thunderclap showers around Christchurch
> today and Canterbury. Great hail/thunder showers out there on Banks
> Peninsula according to Ben Tichbourne.Reports of hail on roof so loud that
> any possible sound of thunder drowned out by the hail.
> Hail showers of the wintry type occuring in varying situations as they
> passed over ChCh/Canterbury today , nothing of the larger ones as what you
> would expect in proper thunderstorms.
> Thunder very erratic though. One good clap around 8:25am, probably woke up
> people trying to sleep in on this Easter morning ... then nothing
> Another one off 'Clap' about 5pm and another just before at 10:25pm
> The interesting feature about these 'claps' were than nothing happened
with
> them.
> Anyway the low should deepen around the Chathams before moving further
east.
> Imagine if this system intensified if it was a bit closer to NZ !!
>
>
> JohnGaul
> NZ Thunderstorm Soc
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my experience wet hail and sleet look very 
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phenomena. Sleet (wet snow)&nbsp;requires much colder atmospheric 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good to see one of us down here was on the spot. I 
didn't put too much effort into having a look around as the rainfall here at 
Blackbutt was so light, but enjoyed the distant rumbling at any rate. Great on 
the spot piccies.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Small report at</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>some pictures, etc</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Evening all,

Mr Moore's predictions for April are out.  Congratulations on having a
go......
http://www.mooreslrweather.com.au/page3.html

Does anyone else have any thoughts on the month of April? It could be an
interesting exercise to see what everyone thinks about the coming
month's weather.

Jane

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Yes great stuff Michael! Sounds like you had a good time :)
<p>Matt Smith
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to see one of us down here was on the spot. I didn't put too much effort
into having a look around as the rainfall here at Blackbutt was so light,
but enjoyed the distant rumbling at any rate. Great on the spot piccies.</font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Cheers</font></font><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Andrew
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> aus-wx: Flash flood report
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&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Small report at</font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1><a href="http://www.ozthunder.com/chase/chase31.htm">http://www.ozthunder.com/chase/chase31.htm</a></font></font>&nbsp;<font face="Arial"><font size=-1>some
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Wow Rhett! nice pictures. Great to see past weather photographs! Thanks for putting them
online :)

Matt Smith

Rhett Blanch wrote:

> Hi Dann,
> Yes July 1984 was pretty amazing. I can remember lots of kids being late to
> school as their parents took them up to the Tamworth lookout to play in the snow.
> I seem to recall that it was a complete nightmare for the police trying to deal with
> the crowd up there (most of whom had never driven in snow before).
>
> I have some pics from this day of the snow south of Manilla NSW (45 km North of
> Tamworth) at an elevation of around 400m.  My great aunt who took them is now
> in her 80's and has lived in the same location for almost her entire life, this is the
> only time that she can recall that snow falls have taken place at this location.
> http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm
>
> Rhett
>
> > dann weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > FROM SAM MCDONALD::
> > __
> >
> > I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984.
> > Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and
> > surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in
> > areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on the
> > snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 would
> > return oneday.
> >
> > Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years....
> > Regions heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town
> > near Murwillumba... where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C at
> > Springbrook after a low of -4C.  There is a video of this snowfall at
> > Springbrook.. i will have to see it again. On the 27th July 2000...
> > there was a brief snowfall at Springbrook..... It has some pretty
> > mean frosts in winter...check out the photos under Tallai Weather on:
> > http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html
> >
> > Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.
> > Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent
> > snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting
> > here.... "Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief
> > snowfall at Thornton at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....
> >
> > Courier Mail July 4th 1984.
> > "Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into
> > NSW and west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a
> > dozen Brisbane suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from
> > Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 3cm was recorded.
> >
> > Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld highest
> > peak Bartle Frere at 1622m. Herberton elevation is around 800-900
> > metres. So i think snow would've been possible at Bartle Frere. And
> > also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National Park... highest peak
> > there is 1250metres.
> >
> > cheers
> > Sam
> > ____
> >
> >
> > dann
>
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At 08:27 PM 2/04/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Evening all,
>
>Mr Moore's predictions for April are out.  Congratulations on having a
>go......
>http://www.mooreslrweather.com.au/page3.html
>
>Does anyone else have any thoughts on the month of April? It could be an
>interesting exercise to see what everyone thinks about the coming
>month's weather.

That's close to my gut feeling, though I was going to tip the 12th as the 
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Evening all,

Not sure if Ern Mainka has posted this to the list, but it's definitely
worth having a look at his images.  He's got brilliant shots of
lightning at dawn on 25th March as well as a possible sighting of ball
lightning on the 1st February (remember that night?  most of Victoria
was out amongst it with videos rolling!!!!!)

http://www.ernmphotography.com/Pages/Ball_Lightning/BL_Gallery2.html

Jane

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Thanks for that info Don, it pretty much confirms the view at ground level.

Michael



> Mt Kembla had 172 mm in the 24 hours to 9am Saturday. This was the top
> fall I can find in the area. Of this 60 mm fell in the hour from 11.30
> am to 12.30 pm and 122 mm in the 3 hours from 9.50 am to 12.50 pm !
> Other 24 hour totals (to 9 am Sat) included Dombarton 97, Huntley 95,
> Wongawilli 76,Figtree 80  and Kieraville 43.
> On the coast Port Kempbla had 25 and Warilla just 4 mm.
>
> Don White
>
> Michael Thompson wrote:
> >
> > Hi Andrew
> >
> > The amount of rain that fell around Mt Kembla must have significant. The
> > flash flooding around Kembla Grange was similar to the 1997 event ( in
that
> > area ) , however Mount Kembla was on the margin of the 1997 event.
> >
> > I will have a report up shortly. Interesting to see the Lake about 1ft
> > higher yesterday. Like you I received no significant rain too.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Godsman" <g-man1 at bigpond.com>
> > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 11:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
> >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > It was very interesting to see the changes in rainfall across the
> > Illawarra.
> > > You were either in the right (or wrong) place to receive large
rainfall
> > > totals, which here in Blackbutt we were definately wrong. While
watching
> > TWC
> > > I noticed Albion Park had picked up around 45mm for the day, but I
only
> > > received 3.7mm for the entire day and are around 4km east as the crow
> > flies.
> > >
> > > On the other hand I had a 10k race at Mt Kembla today and all the
streams
> > > were still running chock-a-bloc, with many washouts in the roadside
> > ditches
> > > and gravel and debris all over the road in places. Must have been one
> > great
> > > little fall of rain.
> > >
> > > All up, only received approx 37mm from this event, which leaves me
almost
> > > 70mm short of the 150mm average for March with one day to go.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Andrew Godsman
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
> > > To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:18 PM
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Flash Flooding in Illawarra
> > >
> > >
> > > > Very localised flash flooding in the Illawarra this afternoon. 1-2
kms
> > > > seperates little rain from flooded roads. Kembla Grange racecourse
> > > > completely under water and the old Princes Hwy cut at Kembla Grange.
I
> > > would
> > > > suggest you could almost double the Kembla Grange gauge rainfall to
what
> > > > would have fallen on the escarpment. The storm ( yes it was
lightning
> > > > active ) was pinned right on the escarpment.
> > > >
> > > > Looking at current radar and developments I think Sydney's SW and
west
> > > could
> > > > be the next hot spot.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
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Thanks for the contributions, Rhett, Sam, Norman, Lindsay, Don.

Snowfall events is an aspect of the weather that greatly interests me, yet
its something that i haven't really investigated with any vigour.

Because of my locality to them, i am particularly interested in events in
the Blue Mountains and Hunter.

Thanks for the info again :)

dann
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----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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> Wow Rhett! nice pictures. Great to see past weather photographs! Thanks
for putting them
> online :)
>
> Matt Smith
>
> Rhett Blanch wrote:
>
> > Hi Dann,
> > Yes July 1984 was pretty amazing. I can remember lots of kids being late
to
> > school as their parents took them up to the Tamworth lookout to play in
the snow.
> > I seem to recall that it was a complete nightmare for the police trying
to deal with
> > the crowd up there (most of whom had never driven in snow before).
> >
> > I have some pics from this day of the snow south of Manilla NSW (45 km
North of
> > Tamworth) at an elevation of around 400m.  My great aunt who took them
is now
> > in her 80's and has lived in the same location for almost her entire
life, this is the
> > only time that she can recall that snow falls have taken place at this
location.
> > http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm
> >
> > Rhett
> >
> > > dann weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > FROM SAM MCDONALD::
> > > __
> > >
> > > I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984.
> > > Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and
> > > surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in
> > > areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on the
> > > snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 would
> > > return oneday.
> > >
> > > Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years....
> > > Regions heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town
> > > near Murwillumba... where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C at
> > > Springbrook after a low of -4C.  There is a video of this snowfall at
> > > Springbrook.. i will have to see it again. On the 27th July 2000...
> > > there was a brief snowfall at Springbrook..... It has some pretty
> > > mean frosts in winter...check out the photos under Tallai Weather on:
> > > http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html
> > >
> > > Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.
> > > Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent
> > > snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting
> > > here.... "Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief
> > > snowfall at Thornton at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....
> > >
> > > Courier Mail July 4th 1984.
> > > "Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into
> > > NSW and west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a
> > > dozen Brisbane suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from
> > > Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 3cm was recorded.
> > >
> > > Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld highest
> > > peak Bartle Frere at 1622m. Herberton elevation is around 800-900
> > > metres. So i think snow would've been possible at Bartle Frere. And
> > > also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National Park... highest peak
> > > there is 1250metres.
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Hi all,

Most of you should know that ASWA and myself were involved filmed to make a 
small part of a program called "One Day, One World:The Weather". This is 
going to be aired this month towards the latter part of the month. Anyone 
interested, please check the URL appropriate searches:

http://www.foxtel.com.au/foxtelguide        search for  "One Day, One 
World:The Weather"

http://www.optus.com.au/Vign/ViewMgmt/display/0,2627,1028_5086-3_6818--View_260,00.html 
not an extensive guide so will have to wait until about the 22nd

http://www.sofcom.com.au/tv/  again same thing but select the foxtel or optus

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/front/Search.asp   search  "One Day, 
One World:The Weather"

http://www.nationalgeographic.com.au/front/ProgramDetails.asp?ID=000000151136&Currentdate=4/28/02&time=10:30

I hope this covers it.

Cheers.

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Hi all,

For a photo of snow in QLD - Stanthorpe '84:

http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/images/snow.jpg

It is only a small one taken by a local, but a goodie...taken at the town's
Storm King dam.

It is located at my web site on the page:

http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery1.htm

Regards,

Sel.


At 08:35 2/04/02 +0100, you wrote:
>In message <001901c1da16$332e69e0$c37854d2 at oemcomputer>, dann
>weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> writes
>>    FROM SAM MCDONALD::
>>    __
>>     
>>    I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984. 
>>    Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and 
>>    surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in 
>>    areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on 
>>    the snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 
>>    would return oneday.
>>     
>
>Laurier Williams posted the following a couple of years ago:
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>It took me a while to find the references for this.
>
>I believe the farthest north that snow has been reported in Queensland
>(and Australia) is the Clarke Range, which runs from southwest to
>northwest of Mackay at about 21S and about 300km north of the Tropic
>of Capricorn. The date was 19 July 1965, when snow fell over much of
>the area from the Bunya Mountains in the east and beyond the Maranoa
>River in the west, northwards to the upper Warrego catchment NE of
>Charleville and across to within 60km of the coast in the Eungella
>National Park west of Mackay. It was the most widespread fall in
>Queensland history, with snow falling for the only recorded time to
>date at many locations. The same event gave much of eastern NSW heavy
>snow, also for the only recorded time in some locations. The snowfall
>at Eungella occurred just on dusk in the Dalrymple Heights area,
>around 700 metres a.s.l. and didn't settle.
>
>The heaviest falls were in an area from Chinchilla, Surat and
>Mungallala in the south to Wondoan and Injune in the north where snow
>fell for up to 3 hours between sunrise and noon. Snowflakes 2cm in
>diameter were seen in Surat, and drifts to 5cm were reported out of
>the town. In Roma, snow fell for half an hour just before midday with
>a temperature of 2 degrees, settling briefly on the ground in town but
>lying for around an hour in the nearby country. Northwards at Injune,
>snow lay down to 700m, persisting for a day in sheltered places.
>Farther northwest, snow fell for up to an hour in the Drummond Range
>just south of the Tropic of Capricorn,  from Bogantungan west to Alpha
>and Jericho and southwest almost to Tambo.
>
>Information for the above is from Bureau Notes on the Weather and
>weather reviews,  press research by Don White and my own data
>collection.
>
>I have seen a report of snow falling in the Cloncurry area early this
>century, though melting on reaching the ground. I don't have a date or
>any other information. Cloncurry is at 20.7S, so if verified this
>would have to be a contender for farthest north snow, though with an
>altitude of 200m it sounds dubious. 
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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I know this might be stretching the memory a little, but I was interested to
find out that these delivered a quite phenomenal 18mm in 6 minutes in the
upper Yarra Valley. A sustained rainfall rate of nearly 200mm/hr is not
commonly observed near Melbourne - the highest 6 minute report every in the
"Melbourne" area is 24mm at Sunbury in Dec 1959... The report is here...

http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/mainFrameset.asp?path=/your_water/la
test_reports/latest_reports.asp

BTW Sam McDonald would you please get rid of the advertising pop-ups on your
webpage. My screen was flooded with ~10 adverts when I visited your Guyra
webpage, some of which were designed to be very difficult to close. These
included gambling sites and "soft" porn type images to sell "god knows" what
product. I won't be visiting your site again in a hurry.....

Dr David Jones 

Climate Analysis Section 
National Climate Centre 
Bureau of Meteorology         Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 
GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 
Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 
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Hi David,

I was out at Lilydale Airport during the storms in question and while we don't have 
a rain gauge there, we did get quite a considerable downpour at around 7:15pm.

Unfortunately I was unable to get any video of the rain and lightning due to it all 
being right above me.

I also noticed some strange thunder during that storm.  It started to the north west 
of the airport and I actually stood there and followed it with my head as it came 
over the top of me and down to the south.  It is hard to explain in an e-mail, but 
even though I couldn't see anything, I could actually follow the sound with my 
eyes.  I would have estimated that it was traveling at about 60 knots as it went 
over and was audible for about 30 seconds.

Regards,

Chris Daley
 

> David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au> wrote:
> 
> I know this might be stretching the memory a little, but I was
> interested to
> find out that these delivered a quite phenomenal 18mm in 6 minutes in
> the
> upper Yarra Valley. A sustained rainfall rate of nearly 200mm/hr is
> not
> commonly observed near Melbourne - the highest 6 minute report every
> in the
> "Melbourne" area is 24mm at Sunbury in Dec 1959... The report is
> here...
> 
> test_reports/latest_reports.asp
> 
> BTW Sam McDonald would you please get rid of the advertising pop-ups
> on your
> webpage. My screen was flooded with ~10 adverts when I visited your
> Guyra
> webpage, some of which were designed to be very difficult to close.
> These
> included gambling sites and "soft" porn type images to sell "god
> knows" what
> product. I won't be visiting your site again in a hurry.....
> 
> Dr David Jones 
> 
> Climate Analysis Section 
> National Climate Centre 
> Bureau of Meteorology 	Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 
> Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923 
> email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au 
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Hi David,

That sort of thunder is very common in SEQ and the tropics, it is the sound
of what we call an "Anvil crawler", which are spectacular if visible at
night time as they seem to creep across the sky sometimes from horizon to
horizon, if you are positioned under the Anvil outflow of a large enough
storm.  Sometimes the source stroke can be a CG up to 50km away.  An Anvil
crawler is not a single stroke but a chain of short strokes with many
parallel and diverging paths.  Charge displacement by each stroke triggers
the next series discharges in the chain - but all this happens so quickly
you just see a flowing discharge move across the sky.

Anvil crawlers are also usually high up (being in the Anvil), 5km to 10km or
more, thus the thunder may be quite faint and well delayed after the flash -
also the sound appears to travel very much more slowly than the source
lightning due to the much slower speed of sound propagation.

Regards,
John.
>snip

Hi David,

I was out at Lilydale Airport during the storms in question and while we
don't have
a rain gauge there, we did get quite a considerable downpour at around
7:15pm.

Unfortunately I was unable to get any video of the rain and lightning due to
it all
being right above me.

I also noticed some strange thunder during that storm.  It started to the
north west
of the airport and I actually stood there and followed it with my head as it
came
over the top of me and down to the south.  It is hard to explain in an
e-mail, but
even though I couldn't see anything, I could actually follow the sound with
my
eyes.  I would have estimated that it was traveling at about 60 knots as it
went
over and was audible for about 30 seconds.

Regards,

Chris Daley

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<b>AUSTRALIAN METEOROLOGICAL &amp; OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY,<br><br>
A.M.O.S. SYDNEY CENTRE - WEATHERWATCH GROUP<br><br>
NEWSLETTER NUMBER 02-04 - APRIL 2002<br><br>
The Next Meeting </b>of the AMOS Weatherwatch Group will be on<br><br>
<b>Wednesday 24th April 2002 </b>at 7:30pm (19:30) at<br><br>
<b>Macquarie University, </b>Building E5A, Room 143
(E5A-143)<b>.<br><br>
</b>Expensive Parking is available in University Car-Parks see notes
below. <br><br>
<b>Our Guest Speaker will be Keith Barnett</b> on the subject<br><br>
<b>&quot;Comparison of Rainfall between Turramurra, Seven Hills, and the
Bureau of Meteorology Site at Observatory Hill.&quot;<br><br>
The Meeting will be an Opportunity to discuss the recent rain and storms,
and the associated synoptic situations.<br><br>
Members are invited to present their own data and describe the location
of their station and draw a few conclusions if they wish. </b>Each
presenter can have two minutes, <b>after the main speaker.<br><br>
Neal Moodie, our Contact at the Bureau of Meteorology </b>will present
rainfall and temperature data for March and April.<br><br>
<b>Our Following Meeting on 26th June will feature Mr. Paul Graham from
the Weather Company at North Sydney.<br><br>
Visitors</b> are very welcome. Discussion will follow all the
presentations, and light refreshments will be available throughout the
meeting.<br><br>
<b>This Meeting will continue our excellent series of
presentations.<br><br>
PTO for More Meetings&gt;&gt;&gt;<br><br>
&nbsp;<br><br>
&nbsp;<br><br>
Past Meetings.<br><br>
Weatherwatch</b> had a meeting on 27th February and Jimmy Deguara
described his recent eventful storm chase with an exciting unintentional
video in the thick of the storm of the 16th of February. Roger Nurse
presented sketches of a small storm at Sydney on the same day and
described his observations and his difficult journey home, Roger's wife,
Sue is no stranger to accidental storm 'chases'.<br><br>
<b>&nbsp;<br><br>
AMOS</b> held the Scientific Meeting at Macquarie University on 20th
March, where the speaker was the New Regional Director of the Sydney
Bureau of Meteorology, <font face="verdana"><b>Kevin O'Loughlin,
</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times">speaking on
</font><font face="verdana">&quot;New Challenges in Public weather
services&quot;. </b></font>This was well received by a large
audience.<br>
<b>ASWA </b>held their latest meeting at North Sydney on 9th March to
discuss the past months weather, including the great February 16 chase,
with video shown by Jimmy Deguara.<br><br>
<b>At meetings of Weatherwatch </b>be careful about your parking, fees
have been $2.00 for the first hour, or a total of $5.00 for 2, 3, 4,
hours, or $6.00 for the whole evening to 11:59.<br><br>
Read the instructions to make sure of it, and have the right
money.<br><br>
<b>Enquiries</b> Contact:-<br><br>
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Jimmy Deguara (02)9627.1943 Roger Nurse (02)9449.1473 <br><br>
Neal Moodie (02)9296.1555 Bureau of Meteorology Contact<br><br>
Dr. Milton Speer (02)9296.1618 Past AMOS Sydney Centre
Chair/BoM.<br><br>
<b>Recent Weather<br><br>
</b>Warm Days and very wet with Severe Storms at times in February and
March, with a mini-heat-wave from 16th to 20th March, April began dry,
but who knows what's coming? Warm water persists in the Coral
Sea.<br><br>
20 people were stung by box jelly-fish in Townsville over
Easter.<br><br>
Cold, dry conditions for earthquake victims in Afganistan.<br><br>
<b>Warnings<br><br>
</b>If you are not a member of AMOS, and did not attend or send apologies
during last year your name will be deleted from the mailing list
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Jimmy Deguara<br>
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NSW Australia<br><br>
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At 06:35 AM 3/04/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Most of you should know that ASWA and myself were involved filmed to make 
>a small part of a program called "One Day, One World:The Weather". This is 
>going to be aired this month towards the latter part of the month. Anyone 
>interested, please check the URL appropriate searches:

Hmm, pity it's going to be limited to pay TV by the looks of it. :-(

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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Hi all,
        I saw that storm from Broadford(tried some timed exposures-yet to
receive back). There were many crawlers running the length of the cell. I
saw one free air cg drop out and down from the anvil!
Cheers Peter(Didjman)
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> I know this might be stretching the memory a little, but I was interested
to
> find out that these delivered a quite phenomenal 18mm in 6 minutes in the
> upper Yarra Valley. A sustained rainfall rate of nearly 200mm/hr is not
> commonly observed near Melbourne - the highest 6 minute report every in
the
> "Melbourne" area is 24mm at Sunbury in Dec 1959... The report is here...
>
>
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/mainFrameset.asp?path=/your_water/la
> test_reports/latest_reports.asp
>
> BTW Sam McDonald would you please get rid of the advertising pop-ups on
your
> webpage. My screen was flooded with ~10 adverts when I visited your Guyra
> webpage, some of which were designed to be very difficult to close. These
> included gambling sites and "soft" porn type images to sell "god knows"
what
> product. I won't be visiting your site again in a hurry.....
>
> Dr David Jones
>
> Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology         Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
> Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9755 1923
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David and Others,

I was (of course) watching these storms with ernest (sp?) as I raced home
from work and I got a nice little storm here in Greensborough which dropped
about 20 CG's within 2km of my house in 5 minutes just after 6pm.  As the
most intense part of the line of storms hit the Yarra Valley an intense cell
developed NE of Wallan near Flowerdale and tracked SE over Healsville and
Warburton with large areas of 100mm/h+ on the BoM radar (it may've had a
slight deviation to the left of the steering flow although after reviewing
the radar of the event it seems as though rapid backbuilding to the N saw
this cell propogate in that direction and hence giving the impression that
it moved somewhat left).  This cell persisted strongly across the ranges but
was not red on radar (this was possibly due to it being over 120km from both
Melbourne and Sale radars).  As the cell came closer to the Sale radar the
LARGE area of red (100mm/h+) returned and eventually passed over Traralgon
(giving 1.2cm hail at one location in Traralgon) and it continued out to sea
between Woodside and Seaspray (still red) where this cell eventually
dissipated.  I watched the lightning from this cell as it passed over the
area near Warburton from a lookout in Banyule and at the time it was
producing about 1 flash per second with 2-3 flashes per second for short
periods of time.  I know the Severe Weather people at the BoM were keeping a
close eye on this cell and would be interested to hear their comments at to
its height and any other reports which they may've recieved from Healsville,
Traralgon or any other township that may've been in the path of this cell.
It could be mildly speculated that this cell could fall into the category of
a supercell as I have very rarely seen a storm maintain this intensity and
size in Victoria, and in such atmospheric conditions (rapid destabilization
was taking place in the middle and upper layers and along with the shear
which was probably adequate for rotating storms) without it being labelled
and/or confirmed as a supercell.  I'd be interested to hear other people's
thoughts.

Anyway - I visited Healsville Sanctuary on Monday and it was clear that
they'd had significant rainfall in a short period of time given the water
ruts in the pathways.  I didn't manage to speak to any of the staff members
but I have other contacts in Healsville which I will eventually get around
to talking to about this particular storm.

Incidentally, that area around Healsville scored 4 cells that evening/night
which were either pink or red on radar.  Some of the catchment areas would
have to have received close to 100mm of rain in that 24hr period.

Regards,

Andrew McDonald






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> I know this might be stretching the memory a little, but I was interested
to
> find out that these delivered a quite phenomenal 18mm in 6 minutes in the
> upper Yarra Valley. A sustained rainfall rate of nearly 200mm/hr is not
> commonly observed near Melbourne - the highest 6 minute report every in
the
> "Melbourne" area is 24mm at Sunbury in Dec 1959... The report is here...
>
>
http://www.melbournewater.com.au/system/mainFrameset.asp?path=/your_water/la
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>
> BTW Sam McDonald would you please get rid of the advertising pop-ups on
your
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> webpage, some of which were designed to be very difficult to close. These
> included gambling sites and "soft" porn type images to sell "god knows"
what
> product. I won't be visiting your site again in a hurry.....
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>I am new to contributing to your forum and 
probably a bit basic in my description of a likely tornado event in South 
Eastern Australia, the evidence of which I have recently seen. Basically, I was 
driving to the town of Batemans Bay in Southern NSW from my home in Canberra on 
the 30 of March 02 and whilst driving on the King's highway to the coast and 
about 5 kilometres east from Braidwood, towards the top of a small ridge 
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south of the highway as well (probably a km or so further along the road). The 
destruction was again in a narrow, clearly defined path through the forest. 
Also, further along and directly alongside the highway (probably between another 
5-10 km) I identified another area of significant tree damage. From the 
obviously recent nature of both damage events, I would guess that this was the 
same tornado event proceeding roughly in a north west/south east axis. Later on 
that same day, I visited some friends in Long Beach (near Batemans Bay) who 
mentioned that a severe storm had hit their area late on the afternoon of the 
27th March and which originated from the West (basically the same direction 
where the tornado damage occurred). They were concerned about damage from 
falling trees (none did), as the winds were quite severe for the area. I was 
wondering if a member of your group had known about this event from other 
sources and if so could they let me know with any further 
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I once heard that during the snowfall of 1984, Quirindi also had snow settled
on the ground. Graziers out that way had lost sheep because of the extreme
cold. I had also heard that snow had actually settled on the ground at Loomberah
just outside of Tamworth. Do you know whether this was so?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
--<br>
Tim Grugeon<br>
Maitland, NSW<br>
<a href="http://www.hunterweather.com">http://www.hunterweather.com</a>
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  <pre wrap="">Hi Dann,<br>Yes July 1984 was pretty amazing. I can remember lots of kids being late to <br>school as their parents took them up to the Tamworth lookout to play in the snow. <br>I seem to recall that it was a complete nightmare for the police trying to deal with <br>the crowd up there (most of whom had never driven in snow before).<br><br>I have some pics from this day of the snow south of Manilla NSW (45 km North of <br>Tamworth) at an elevation of around 400m.  My great aunt who took them is now <br>in her 80's and has lived in the same location for almost her entire life, this is the <br>only time that she can recall that snow falls have taken place at this location. <br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm">http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm</a><br><br>Rhett<br><br></pre>
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    <pre wrap="">dann weatherhead <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">&lt;weatherhead at ozemail.com.au&gt;</a> wrote:<br><br>FROM SAM MCDONALD::<br>__<br> <br>I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984.<br>Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had  4-6 inches in the town and<br>surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in<br>areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on the<br>snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 would<br>return oneday.<br><br>Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years....<br>Regions heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town<br>near Murwillumba... where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C at<br>Springbrook after a low of -4C.  There is a video of this snowfall at<br>Springbrook.. i will have to see it again. On the 27th July 2000...<br>there was a brief snowfall at Springbrook..... It has some pretty<br>mean
 frosts in winter...check out the photos under Tallai Weather on:<br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html">http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html</a><br><br>Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.<br>Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent<br>snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting<br>here.... "Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief<br>snowfall at Thornton at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....<br><br>Courier Mail July 4th 1984.<br>"Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into<br>NSW and west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a<br>dozen Brisbane suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from<br>Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 3cm was recorded.<br><br>Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld highest<br>peak Bartle Frere at 1622m. Herberton elevation is around 800-900<br>me
tres. So i think snow would've been possible at Bartle Frere. And<br>also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National Park... highest peak<br>there is 1250metres.<br><br>cheers<br>Sam<br>____<br><br><br>dann<br></pre>
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Hi all,

I am quite impressed with this current setup. This afternoon around the 
central part of NSW particularly around the Sydney part of the coastline 
should see some impressive thunderstorms with the passage of the change. 
Initiation should be along the ranges but I am expecting some severe 
thunderstorms based on the wind shear profile and a reasonable cap compared 
to surface heating. Dew points are not that impressive but it's obvious 
that some moisture is being fed inland with the change. I am ready to go. 
Temps in the mid levels from 700mb to 500mb show some pretty good lapse 
rates. It was almost similar conditions that occurred during the events 
such as the Sydney hailstorm although that had a few more factors that came 
into being - but perhaps the dynamics were not too dissimilar.

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<P>Which way(s) were the damaged trees scattered?&nbsp; If the fallen branches/snapped off trunks fell in all directions, then it was more likely tornadic damage.&nbsp; If the debris fell in the same direction then the damage was more likely straight line wind damage.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;I am new to contributing to your forum and probably a bit basic in my description of a likely tornado event in South Eastern Australia, the evidence of which I have recently seen. Basically, I was driving to the town of Batemans Bay in Southern NSW from my home in Canberra on the 30 of March 02 and whilst driving on the King's highway to the coast and about 5 kilometres east from Braidwood, towards the top of a small ridge (dividing cleared fields from forest) to the immediate North of the highway, I saw significant damage to a number of large gum trees, some of which had been snapped in half and most had lost large branches. This pattern of damage seemed to occur in a narrow path (.25 km or less) and upon further viewing, I noticed that this swathe of destruction extended into the nearby forest area on the south of the highway as well (probably a km or so further along the road). The destruction was again in a narrow, clearly defined path through the forest. Al!
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Hi Tim,
I would expect that snow would have settled at Loomberah as it is slightly higher 
than Tamworth and the snow did settle a fair way down the hills behind Tamworth 
on that day, just not in in the city itself.  As far as Quirindi goes I'm not sure.  
Significant snow did certainly  settle on the Melville Range*, you could see if from 
Tamworth for 3-4 days afterwards on Mount Soma (about 1100m) and Duri Peak 
(about 950m).   

*The Melville range is the line of mountains that run North-South on the opposite 
side of the Peel Valley to Tamworth.  This range runs down past Quirindi towards 
the Liverpool range and out towards Gunnedah. 

Rhett


> Tim Grugeon <timg at cnn.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rhett,
> 
> I once heard that during the snowfall of 1984, Quirindi also had snow
> 
> settled on the ground. Graziers out that way had lost sheep because
> of 
> the extreme cold. I had also heard that snow had actually settled on
> the 
> ground at Loomberah just outside of Tamworth. Do you know whether
> this 
> was so?
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> Tim Grugeon
> Maitland, NSW
> http://www.hunterweather.com
> 
> Rhett Blanch wrote:
> 
> >Hi Dann,
> >Yes July 1984 was pretty amazing. I can remember lots of kids being
> late to 
> >school as their parents took them up to the Tamworth lookout to play
> in the snow. 
> >I seem to recall that it was a complete nightmare for the police
> trying to deal with 
> >the crowd up there (most of whom had never driven in snow before).
> >
> >I have some pics from this day of the snow south of Manilla NSW (45
> km North of 
> >Tamworth) at an elevation of around 400m.  My great aunt who took
> them is now 
> >in her 80's and has lived in the same location for almost her entire
> life, this is the 
> >only time that she can recall that snow falls have taken place at
> this location. 
> >http://www.wilgatree.com/reports/19840704snow_manilla.htm
> >
> >Rhett
> >
> >>dann weatherhead <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>FROM SAM MCDONALD::
> >>__
> >> 
> >>I think the best snowfall i can remeber for Qld was July 1984.
> >>Stanthorpe on the Granite Belt had	4-6 inches in the town and
> >>surrounding such as Eukey snow was reported to be 2 feet deep in
> >>areas. My source here is the "Border Post". I have a lift out on
> the
> >>snowfall...b/w of course but it looks heavy...... i wish 84 would
> >>return oneday.
> >>
> >>Good Goast Bulletin July 1984... first snow falls for 18 years....
> >>Regions heaviest snow falls were on the ridges near Uki, small town
> >>near Murwillumba... where 15cm were recorded .... At 3pm it was 5C
> at
> >>Springbrook after a low of -4C.  There is a video of this snowfall
> at
> >>Springbrook.. i will have to see it again. On the 27th July 2000...
> >>there was a brief snowfall at Springbrook..... It has some pretty
> >>mean frosts in winter...check out the photos under Tallai Weather
> on:
> >>http://www.geocities.com/ratman6900/index.html
> >>
> >>Toowoomba had it first snowfall since July 19th 1960.
> >>Chronicle July 4th 1984... last night falls followed intermittent
> >>snow/sleet showers... Temperature at 3pm was 3C. This interesting
> >>here.... "Chronicle's Lockyer valley corresondent reported a brief
> >>snowfall at Thornton at 2pm". I am not sure of the elevation .....
> >>
> >>Courier Mail July 4th 1984.
> >>"Snowfalls up to 3cm deep were reported from central Qld well into
> >>NSW and west of the border. Hail and sleet feel in many towns and a
> >>dozen Brisbane suburbs....Highest snowfall report came from
> >>Bellthorpe west of Maleny... were 3cm was recorded.
> >>
> >>Herberton on the Atherton Tableland had a min of -3C. So Qld
> highest
> >>peak Bartle Frere at 1622m. Herberton elevation is around 800-900
> >>metres. So i think snow would've been possible at Bartle Frere. And
> >>also down near Mackay..... Euguenia ?? National Park... highest
> peak
> >>there is 1250metres.
> >>
> >>cheers
> >>Sam
> >>____
> >>
> >>
> >>dann
> >>
> >
> >
> >Rhett Blanch
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am very interested to know this also. the most 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:25 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: probable tornado 
  event</DIV>
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  <DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P>Hi Gregg</P>
  <P>Which way(s) were the damaged trees scattered?&nbsp; If the fallen 
  branches/snapped off trunks fell in all directions, then it was more likely 
  tornadic damage.&nbsp; If the debris fell in the same direction then the 
  damage was more likely straight line wind damage.</P>
  <P>Regards</P>
  <P>Michael<BR><BR></P></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "gregg" <GREGG at PCUG.ORG.AU>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Reply-To: <A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;To: <AUSSIE-WEATHER at WORLD.STD.COM>
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Subject: aus-wx: probable tornado event 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:30:45 +1000 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Dear all 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I am new to contributing to your forum and probably a bit basic 
  in my description of a likely tornado event in South Eastern Australia, the 
  evidence of which I have recently seen. Basically, I was driving to the town 
  of Batemans Bay in Southern NSW from my home in Canberra on the 30 of March 02 
  and whilst driving on the King's highway to the coast and about 5 kilometres 
  east from Braidwood, towards the top of a small ridge (dividing cleared fields 
  from forest) to the immediate North of the highway, I saw significant damage 
  to a number of large gum trees, some of which had been snapped in half and 
  most had lost large branches. This pattern of damage seemed to occur in a 
  narrow path (.25 km or less) and upon further viewing, I noticed that this 
  swathe of destruction extended into the nearby forest area on the south of the 
  highway as well (probably a km or so further along the road). The destruction 
  was again in a narrow, clearly defined path through the forest. Al! ! so, 
  further along and directly alongside the highway (probably between another 
  5-10 km) I identified another area of significant tree damage. From the 
  obviously recent nature of both damage events, I would guess that this was the 
  same tornado event proceeding roughly in a north west/south east axis. Later 
  on that same day, I visited some friends in Long Beach (near Batemans Bay) who 
  mentioned that a severe storm had hit their area late on the afternoon of the 
  27th March and which originated from the West (basically the same direction 
  where the tornado damage occurred). They were concerned about damage from 
  falling trees (none did), as the winds were quite severe for the area. I was 
  wondering if a member of your group had known about this event from other 
  sources and if so could they let me know with any further information. 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;regards 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;G.Grantham 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Canberra 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms 4th April
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:50:29 +1000
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I wonder though whether this cold southeasterly would have any effect? It's
freezing compared to recent changes. I would think this would lower the
lapse rate..but there's a lot I don't fully understand..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Storms 4th April


> Hi all,
>
> I am quite impressed with this current setup. This afternoon around the
> central part of NSW particularly around the Sydney part of the coastline
> should see some impressive thunderstorms with the passage of the change.
> Initiation should be along the ranges but I am expecting some severe
> thunderstorms based on the wind shear profile and a reasonable cap
compared
> to surface heating. Dew points are not that impressive but it's obvious
> that some moisture is being fed inland with the change. I am ready to go.
> Temps in the mid levels from 700mb to 500mb show some pretty good lapse
> rates. It was almost similar conditions that occurred during the events
> such as the Sydney hailstorm although that had a few more factors that
came
> into being - but perhaps the dynamics were not too dissimilar.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
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