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From: "Martin Davey" <mdavey at health.on.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: Dry Adelaide Summer
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:59:13 +1030
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Hi All!
       A very dry Summer in Adelaide with only 34mm of rain and no rain at
all in February. The last rain day here was Jan 28 when there was 0.4mm!! I
think there was only one thunder day and that was early in December. All
round a very poor and uninteresting summer.

Martin
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From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" <Andrew.G.Godsman at bhpbilliton.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: North Wollongong February Stats - Wet!!
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:37:06 +1100 
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Hi list,

This one goes into the bag for a wet February, which I imagine would be the case for most of the coastal fringe of NSW. Here goes:

Rainfall - 350.4mm vs 109mm average (AWS)
Raindays - 22 vs 13 average
Mean max - 25.1
Mean min - 17.8
Highest daily rainfall - 109.8mm (5th)

It has certainly been a decent month for rain, although only around 2-3 thunder days. I'd reckon it'll be a while until my rainguage cracks the ton again, after getting 102mm during the day of the 5th with another 7mm overnight as well.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Some Gilmore Stats for February so far. A very wet month and
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> 
> Hi Don,
> 
> Not sure on the official figures...one of the farmers that owns a large
> (several thousand acres), has had that land for 3 generations, and they
> never had a summer where they didn't record less than 100mm (I forget
> the actual amount).  The farm gets more rainfall than Amberley generally
> though, as it is very close to the Liverpool range and normally
> showers/storms move off the range right over the farm.  But that hasn't
> happened.  However, there is a line of heavy showers (possibly storms)
> moving slowly across now - fingers crossed!  Toowoomba had 10.6mm in
> 10mins - not bad!
> 
> AC
> 
> Don White wrote:
> > 
> > Anthony... would this be a record dry summer in thta area??
> > don
> > 
> > Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> > >
> > > My parents' farm have only had 27mm since December 1st,
> > > 2001...absolutely shocking!
> > >
> > > Hope the upcoming shower/storm activity can bring something!
> > >

They must have been VERY unlucky with the thunderstorm activity 
around the New Year, and at other times. Amberley got 220mm for
the summer, but 66.8 of this was on December 31 - January 1, another
51.2 on February 3 and three other days in the 22-33 range.

The lowest at any Bureau station, leaving aside some suspected
incomplete reports, was 68 at Rosewood (still well below average
though).

Blair

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From: "Clyve Herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Some Gilmore Stats for February so far. A very wet month and max well below average .
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:42:30 +1100
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Hi Supercell.
Is that 27mm for the whole summer!. That's got to be some sought of
record,almost as bad as Adelaide and Perth, are you sure you want to live
there, just three days of stratocu have sent me into post non summer (we
didn't really have a summer here on the south coast of Vic) deprivation and
as the baric ridge strengthens only more stratocu, although the stratocu was
precipitating some drizzle this morning. regards Clyve Herbert. PS does this
mean that the new capital of nothing happening award will go to
Cornelioppolis instead of Wollongong?.
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> My parents' farm have only had 27mm since December 1st,
> 2001...absolutely shocking!
>
> Hope the upcoming shower/storm activity can bring something!
>
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
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> (07) 3390 4812
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Some Gilmore Stats for February so far. A very wet month and
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:16:28 +1000
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Hi Blair,

I live about 15kms NE from Amberley AFB and only received about half that
rainfall for the entire summer (normally I would expect to get a bit more
than Amberley, being closer to the coast & next to a range), so I think it
is a case of Amberley being lucky.  Certainly a number of heavy storms
tracked just to the South of Ipswich this year.  I will collate my stats
tonight.

Regards,
John.

p.s. 6mm since midnight so March is starting off on the right foot.

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>
> Hi Don,
>
> Not sure on the official figures...one of the farmers that owns a large
> (several thousand acres), has had that land for 3 generations, and they
> never had a summer where they didn't record less than 100mm (I forget
> the actual amount).  The farm gets more rainfall than Amberley generally
> though, as it is very close to the Liverpool range and normally
> showers/storms move off the range right over the farm.  But that hasn't
> happened.  However, there is a line of heavy showers (possibly storms)
> moving slowly across now - fingers crossed!  Toowoomba had 10.6mm in
> 10mins - not bad!
>
> AC
>
> Don White wrote:
> >
> > Anthony... would this be a record dry summer in thta area??
> > don
> >
> > Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> > >
> > > My parents' farm have only had 27mm since December 1st,
> > > 2001...absolutely shocking!
> > >
> > > Hope the upcoming shower/storm activity can bring something!
> > >

They must have been VERY unlucky with the thunderstorm activity
around the New Year, and at other times. Amberley got 220mm for
the summer, but 66.8 of this was on December 31 - January 1, another
51.2 on February 3 and three other days in the 22-33 range.

The lowest at any Bureau station, leaving aside some suspected
incomplete reports, was 68 at Rosewood (still well below average
though).

Blair

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From: David Findlay <david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: My photo gallery
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:36:37 +1000
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I've now got a new wx photo gallery online! It doesn't have much in it yet, 
but I thought you guys may be interested in the software that drives it.

https://redcliffe.dyndns.org/gallery/

Note that that is https not http. Running on https instead of http makes most 
of the annoying worms not notice it, not that it would matter though because 
I'm running Linux. The software is from http://gallery.sf.net and is pretty 
damn cool. It lets you make public and private galleries, albums, sub-albums, 
captioning etc. You can even comment on a picture. So if you thing my 
pictures are stupid, you can tell me :-). Now I'll finally be able to manage 
my weather photos effectively and get them online well. I'd just like one 
more feature that would allow me to add a chase report to a subalbum. Oh 
well. Thanks,

David
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Summer summary (fwd)
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I'm sure you've been waiting for this....

Averaged over Australia as a whole, summer was the 25th wettest in 111 years
of record. 

National temperature anomalies were:

Max		-0.79 (7th lowest in 52 years)
Min		-0.61 (6th lowest; coolest since 1974-75)
Mean		-0.70 (5th lowest)

In terms of mean temperatures, it was the coolest summer in the 52-year
record in Western Australia and South Australia, and over the southern
Australian region. In the SW region it was 2nd to 1959-60; it was 5th in
Victoria and 7th in Tasmania. In contrast, it was the 6th warmest summer in
Queensland, which was the only state to return a positive anomaly.

Summer mean maxima were the lowest on record in Victoria (previously
1995-96) and South Australia (1971-72), as well as over the southern region
(1999-2000). WA and Tasmania were 3rd.

Summer mean minima were lowest on record in SA (previously 1971-72), and 2nd
in WA.

No record regional temperatures were broken in February, but there were a
few near-misses in WA (mean and min 2nd lowest, max 3rd lowest), SA (mean
and min 3rd lowest, max 4th lowest). The national anomalies for February
were max -1.26 (5th, lowest since 1976), min -0.66 (9th), mean -0.96 (6th,
lowest since 1974). Queensland had its 5th warmest February.

Most regions had above-median rainfall both for February and for summer as a
whole, but only WA's February total (9th highest) was in the top decile. 6
of WA's 9 wettest Februarys have been in the ten years 1993-2002.

Moving onto numbers for specific sites:

(I give rankings where a value is in the top or bottom decile)

Perth Airport		Max 30.3 (anomaly -0.4)
				Min 15.3 (-1.1)
				Rainfall 17.0mm (48% of normal, decile 4)

Darwin Airport		Max 32.2 (+0.4)
				Min 25.7 (+0.8; 4th highest, record 26.0 in
1985-86)
				Rainfall 740.8mm (72%, decile 2)

Adelaide 			Max 25.7 (-2.7; equal lowest with 1948-49*)
				Min 14.3 (-2.2; equal lowest with 1939-40)
				Rainfall 34.8mm (52%, decile 3)

19 days over 30 (2nd lowest after 18 in 1948-49); 4 nights over 20 (equal
lowest with 1985-86)

* The SA office's press release says 25.6 - we're trying to resolve this
inconsistency but think it may be due to an observation time issue.

Brisbane Airport		Max 29.9 (+1.0; equal 3rd highest, record
30.2 1985-86)
				Min 21.0 (+0.5)
				Rain 184.8 (41%, decile 1, 3rd lowest,
record 132.8 1985-86)

15 consecutive days over 30 28 Jan - 11 Feb (2nd to 16 days 26 Dec 1963 to
10 Jan 1964)

Sydney RO			Max 26.1 (+0.6)
				Min 19.1 (+0.9)
				Rain 484.8 (162%, decile 9)

Canberra AP			Max 26.7 (-0.2)
				Min 12.7 (+0.3)
				Rain 257.8 (155%, decile 9)

Melbourne RO		Max 24.0 (-1.2; 13th lowest, record 23.1 1863-64)
				Min 14.2 (+0.4)
				Rain 156.0 (103%, decile 6)

Hobart			Max 19.8 (-1.3; 6th lowest, record 19.2 1995-96)
				Min 11.6 (+0.1)
				Rain 143.4 (98%, decile 6)

Townsville			Max 33.3 (+2.1; highest, previous record
32.7 1984-85)
				Min 25.7 (+1.7; highest, previous record
25.2 1986-87)
				Rain 623.0 (90%, decile 6)

20 days over 35 (previous record 11 1993-94), including 7 consecutive (equal
record)

Broome			Max 32.1 (-1.2; 2nd lowest, record 32.0 1996-97)
				MIn 26.1 (-0.1)
				Rain 451.8 (112%, decile 7)

Alice Springs		Max 33.4 (-2.1; 3rd lowest, record 31.7 1975-76)
				Min 18.8 (-2.0; 3rd lowest, record 17.6
1974-75)
				Rain 244.0 (205%, decile 9)

33 nights over 20, 2nd lowest (23, 1974-75)

Mount Gambier		Max 22.0 (-2.3; 2nd lowest, record 21.5 1948-49)
				Min 9.9 (-0.9)
				Rain 102.8 (116%, decile 8)

8 days over 30; lowest on record (previously 9, 1944-45)

Longreach			Max 38.2 (+1.5)
				Min 22.5 (0.0)
				Rain 132.4 (62%, decile 3)

Cairns			Max 32.6 (+1.3; equal record with 1991-92)
				Min 24.5 (+1.0; highest, previous record
24.4 1990-91)
				Rain 405.2 (39%, decile 1; 4th lowest,
record 258.4 1982-83)

Port Hedland		Max 35.1 (-1.2; 4th lowest, record 34.7 1950-51)
				MIn 24.6 (-0.3)
				Rain 35.6 (20%, decile 2)

Albany AP			Max 21.7 (-2.7; lowest, previous record 23.2
1995-96)
				MIn 12.7 (-0.8)
				Rain 137.2 (187%, decile 10; 3rd highest,
record 195.2 1988-89)

3 days over 30; lowest on record (previously 5 on several occasions)

Kalgoorlie			Max 30.4 (-2.1; 4th lowest, record 29.7
1959-60)
				MIn 15.9 (-1.6; equal lowest with 1959-60)
				Rain 53.0 (77%, decile 9)


Also of some note is that some stations on the Pilbara/Gascoigne coast (such
as Carnarvon, Learmonth and Onslow) got no rain in summer (or in November).
All three stations have had a rainless November-February period before, but
some of the cumulative totals are starting to get impressively low;
Learmonth has had 0.6mm in the last 7 months, and Onslow 15.2mm in the last
12. 

Leaving aside anomalies which appear to be based on dodgy climatologies, the
extreme anomalies for the summer seem to be:

Max	+3.4 (Clermont, Qld)
	-3.6 (Giles, WA; not for the first time in recent years)

Min	+2.7 (Alva Beach, Qld)
	-3.4 (Stawell, Vic)

Blair

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From: "Michael Thompson" <thunder at ozthunder.com>
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> mean that the new capital of nothing happening award will go to
> Cornelioppolis instead of Wollongong?.


At least for a month. We did as Andrew G post pointed to get a bit of rain
this month. Storm wise it was so-so. Keeping up with a long tradition the
western Illawarra hosted to birth of a supercell that became Sydney's storm.

One day I will nail one of these at Picton. I am peisitance will finally get
me there.

Michael


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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Great stats Blair,

When I got down to it, my summer rain total was actually 188.3mm which is
not that far off Amberley's 220, and very close to Brisbane's 184.8 (below).
The Ipswich composite mean is 350.5mm, thus we are well down on average.  In
fact January's rainfall at 35.7mm was just on decile 1.

My mean max temps were up on the Ipswich composite: Dec 33.6 (+1.7), Jan
34.0 (+1.9), Feb 32.5 (+1.5).  Which I guess you would expect if there is
little rain about as it implies a drier atmosphere and hence typically
higher temps.  As I mentioned in a previous email, my mean max for the 15
days Dec 20 through Jan 3 was 37.1C - a real heatwave, plus 39 consecutive
days over 30C from Jan 6 through Feb 13 (Feb 14 was 29.9C sigh).  Would be
interesting to compare that to Amberley.

Regards,
John W.
>snip
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...

Brisbane Airport		Max 29.9 (+1.0; equal 3rd highest, record
30.2 1985-86)
				Min 21.0 (+0.5)
				Rain 184.8 (41%, decile 1, 3rd lowest,
record 132.8 1985-86)

15 consecutive days over 30 28 Jan - 11 Feb (2nd to 16 days 26 Dec 1963 to
10 Jan 1964)

...

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> I'm sure you've been waiting for this....
>
> Averaged over Australia as a whole, summer was the 25th wettest in 111
years
> of record.
>

> Port Hedland Max 35.1 (-1.2; 4th lowest, record 34.7 1950-51)
> MIn 24.6 (-0.3)
> Rain 35.6 (20%, decile 2)
>


Hello Blair
Is decile 2 lowest 20%, decile 9 highest 10%?
Do you know a url if you do not have the time to explain?

regards

Chas
Strahan Tasmania

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From: "The Weather Man" <Theweatherman at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: TC Potential
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:16:27 +1000
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Hi all,

Just a quick note on the weather for QLD and a week tropical disturbance
seems to be around the solomon islands..
It might have the potential to develop into a TC.
Jason
º¿º

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eastern NSW also..that low (or cyclone-to be) looks like helping an easterly 
stream feed into an inland trough of sorts, a bit like we had earlier in 
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Afternoon all,

The Guam cyclone page has some local details re Typhoon Mitag - the very
long URL is the Local Statement - Storm 1
http://205.156.54.206/pr/guam/cyclone.html

http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/fmtbltn.pl?file=hurricane_products/weste
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hi Clyve,
thanks for the complimentary reply...i guess i just may have got lucky. ;)
here's hoping for more oppotunties in the near future.

kind regards TM

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>Hi Tony.
>Your lightning photograph is 1st class stuff ,congratulations its one of 
>the best I have seen, the balance with the water does the trick. best 
>regards Clyve Herbert.




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Yep great photo there Tony!

Plenty more in the future for you I'm sure!

Matthew Smith

T Middleton wrote:

> hi Clyve,
> thanks for the complimentary reply...i guess i just may have got lucky. ;)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would have thought urban environments do more to 
reduce humidity than increase it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It has been proven that urban heat islands can 
trigger thunderstorms. In large cities like London (UK) the extra</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>heat that human activity adds to the atmosphere can 
be enough to 'tip the scales' and trigger convection.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And of coarse all that concrete and bitumen stores 
heat making urban nights warmer than the city environs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sure a large city like Melbourne would have a 
pronounced urban heat island.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>interesting</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Auckland</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just in theory. If say Melbourne had a 40 degree 
  day and there were a million air con's running (possible), and a fair bit of 
  this gets released to atmosphere with leakages etc. Would the day have been 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What are the factors that contribute to the 
frequency of lightning within a Cumulonimbus cell? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen large cb that produce little or no 
lightning.&nbsp;Is it to do with the velocity of the updraught?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the most rapidly forming cb are the most 
lightning active.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi all,

Below is a message sent to me by Michael Lee in regards to his theory on 
ball lightning. I have had permission to forward it on for some comments 
debate. Perhaps until he joins on (if he does), could you cc his e-mail 
address  <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca so he could receive your 
comments and opinions

This is out of my league I suppose.

Jimmy Deguara
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Greetings
     I developed this theory of ball lightning while working on buckminster 
fullerene years ago. Would you be so kind as go give me your opinion.
Thank you for your time
Michael Lee
Lethbridge AB
<mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca
BALL LIGHTNING BY

Michael Lee

Carbon, ionized gas, metal atoms, vaporized rock and silica atoms. How do 
these come together to form ball lightning? Two items play a major role. 
Carbon and silica are reduced to atomic soot by lightning, and when they 
condense they can form buckyball structures. I believe that this is the 
basis of Ball Lightning phenomena.

These round ball cage like structures have a unique ability to contain 
hundreds of elements within the cage, and will also stick to each other. 
Hey can capture atoms in the shell itself, which then means it can bond to 
other shells, or form pearl like strings.

The body of Ball lightning is formed in fractions of seconds, when the 
conditions are right. Lightning strikes the ground and trillions of carbon 
atoms and the admix of other components, rush into the plasma umbilical, 
the vacuum of the lightning strike. Each carbon atom, not unlike a cell in 
the Ball Lightning, rapidly wants to bond while condensing into a bigger 
object, still to small to be seen with microscopy. An infinitely small seed 
of ball lightning forms first, and like cells of an organ, start to make up 
the body.

Carbon sheets form from the burnt soot, first, hot and vibrating atoms, 
then these sheets collapse by condensation into cages. These balls of 
carbon wrap around the essential nature of Ball lightning. Each carbon 
ball, of variable sizes and constituents, completes its condensation by 
encapsulating the residue left behind by the lightning strike. Some carbon 
cages capture bonded strings of silica, which go on burning. Some silica 
forms into cage structures and may indeed capture carbon also. Other hyper 
fullerenes capture each other, using shared atoms of the metals in the 
vaporized dirt. A bi-polar soup of pulsing energy is hosted by carbon and 
silica s innate ability to form soccer ball shapes. These shaped balls bond 
to each other in many intricate ways, some predictable, and some to be 
discovered soon.

Lightning strikes begin the fleeting packets of ionized energy, oceans of 
electrons and a sky of plasma gas that feed the Ball Lightning. The column 
of energy from the lightning strike is like a baby bottle, so full of 
constituents of energy that the carbon and silica balls feed freely. These 
bucky balls are so formidable that by snapping their mouth s shut around 
anything, the atomic cage is now a warden.

Buckyballs, easily recognized by science, form the body of Ball lightning. 
Some of the carbon has condensed into the well known C60, others are 
smaller or bigger. The granddaddy balls, as the Russians discovered, are 
hyper fullerenes. Magnificent carbon cages capable of containing a great 
deal of energy, and now as we know, an assortment of metallic magic. It may 
be that a few of these have captured the essence of the Ball lightning s 
appearance. Its hair color if you like. Shimmering with red, hints of 
orange and yellow, all oscillating within the energy of ball lightning. 
Perhaps a little sulfur is added to the mix for good measure, and we see 
some color burning along with silica.

Pathology for Ball lightning, when we create them in the lab, would be 
interesting. Each carbon bucky ball, containing potential electrical 
energy, goes into static capacitance. Imagine this carbon capacitor 
floating in the air like cotton candy. Like the lightest of aero gels made 
from glass, it floats like a feather, and so does ball lightning. The 
difference for a floating Ball lightning, beyond that of floating aero gel 
glass, is its static potential. This will be in the millions of volts. I 
coined the term "Aero Fullerene" to try and describe the material of a ball 
lightning Ball lightning. With some experimenting on this new material, it 
may lead us to delivering artificial Ball Lightning in a lab. More about 
that later.

The ability of buckyballs, fullerenes, fullerides or C60 variations, is the 
secret to holding energy within the Ball lightning. Ball lightning s 
contain their power like the fluffiest battery you could imagine. They 
could not do it without the ability of the fullerene to hold electrons in 
their inner shells. Silica and carbon both exhibit the ability to form 
balls, while carbon can form bucky tubes. Perhaps with some tinkering in 
the lab we will soon find that Ball Lightning also contains bucky tubes 
with staggering dimensions, that also contain elements within the tube 
shape. Many interesting things could be discovered by the production of 
artificial Ball Lightning.

More romantically, imagine ball lightning s bucky cells sticking together 
like water molecules. Its energy vibrating and oscillating to hundreds of 
its own tunes, conducted by the nature of the admix. Ball lightning 
demonstrates a myriad of frequency effects, from a hum working on air, to 
light waves and well beyond microwave. All of these effects, from explosive 
static discharge, to colors, can be explained by the affinity of physics I 
am writing about.

Buckyballs spin very fast, but can also be slowed down. Slowing bucky balls 
down is like adding hair to the Ball lightning. Stick an interesting atom, 
to the structure of a carbon cage, and it relaxes a bit. This would be like 
dielectric paint made from buckminster fullerene, changing colors when the 
potential charge diminishes.

Simple carbon cage structures, holding & electrons, plasma, potential ionic 
elements of metal, and vapors of sand and dirt, all stuck together. The 
birth of ball lightning, may in fact show us how to build better batteries 
and tell us how to nurse hydrogen into storage. A fluffy baby, weighing 
almost nothing, yet trillions of cage structured base cells, floating about 
on its own pond of electrostatic energy. An electrical capacitor floating 
in the air. It doesn t require a jacket to hold itself together, but sticks 
to itself like bits of velcro.

Ball lightning sucks in millions of static volts, electrons locked up in 
the cells of the carbon. They stick to each other with the attraction of 
dissimilar poles. Positive carbon shells seeking negative energy, in an 
endless cluster of poles. Ball lightning is lighter than aerogels yet 
having a solid appearance.

Each carbon ball, some bigger than others, can be described as a miniature 
battery of energy. Free floating yet seeking to bond to its attractive 
mate. Some carbon cages may contain a metal atom, a delinquent silica atom 
stuck within the cage structure, and each will lend an interesting new 
aspect to its appearance. The whole thing oscillating colorfully at 
frequencies we see. Some slow, some fast, the bullies disrupting the others 
spin away wildly when their gyrations are not tolerated by any attempt of 
choreography. Sparkles of red, shimmers of blue and white light. Some 
balls, momentarily without a dance partner spin madly through the soup at a 
hundred million cycles per second. Most want to mate with intimacy & the 
way a water molecule loves its identical self.

When an Ball lightning is born in a lab, we could study its body. Each 
carbon cage, body cells if you like, can contain the energy of as few as 
three electrons, based on the width across the nucleus of the cage. Others 
such as hyper fullerene cages, have the potential of holding dozens of 
electrons, metal atoms or gas. Imagine a plasma gas swirling in the centers 
of some cages, and metallic elements shimmering along in others. There are 
dozens of interesting chapters to this story.

Buckminster fullerene [C60] is being investigated for its excellent ability 
to hold electrons, as in a battery. The discerning and alarming fact with 
bucky ball batteries, used as capacitors if you like, is that while they 
retain immense voltage, they can discharge with the same ferocity as the 
lightning that gave it life. Witness s attest to how frightening the death 
of ball lightning can be, going out with an unexpected bang. A colicky ball 
lightning is another matter. It hisses and complains as it grows old. Its 
life being seconds to minutes, it is not above complaining loudly. These 
would be the ones that sizzle water up to boiling, and pull power boxes out 
of walls.

The center of a carbon caged buckyball does not just hold electrons, but 
perhaps even a nice vacuum chamber full of plasma gas. it has two distinct 
energy states competing for the same space. The positive charge of the 
carbon cage, and the negative charge of its contents. Buckyballs are tough, 
capable of withstanding staggering impacts, and healing into diamond 
structures when intentionally broken or squeezed. All by itself, the prison 
is a formidable keeper. The negative charge inside one ball, with a few 
electrons, will be attracted not only to the walls of its own prison, a 
constant dance of vibrating energy trying to remain homeostatic, but to the 
walls of its neighbor. The strong force, over the short distance to its 
prison walls, wins the affection of its keeper, while over the long 
distance does not repel the like charge of its brothers and sisters. A 
careful balance of force and repulsion is played out, with the distance 
painted in angstroms. We can see the similarity of how hydrogen and oxygen 
stick together, and structured clusters of water act on each others 
affinity to be married. Buckyballs do the same when charged.

Nature gives ball lightning short lives surrounded by some friendly 
factors, and other dangerous predators. A dangerous predator that to Ball 
Lightning is any potential grounding that may be skulking nearby. The Ball 
Lightning can carry millions of static volts, and lower potentials can 
sneak towards it, even attract it. The ball lightning is unaware that 
static capacitors should live in fear of grounding. Scary things that eat 
energy are just a way of saying that there is less of something there, the 
void, and so energy flows into it. The entropy that kills ball lightning is 
an immutable law of physics.

If ball lightning happens along a power line, it will stay alive a little 
longer. It is potentially a static truth that the high charge of the 
electrical line becomes a kind of an energy source for the Ball Lightning. 
A good old corona discharge giving up an electron lunch.

In summary, the birth of a lightning ball is created under ideal 
circumstance when lightning vaporizes carbon, present in anything organic, 
and often in the soil itself. The atomized carbon vapor rises up the path 
of the arc of the lightning and condenses into Buckminster fullerenes or 
commonly referred buckyballs. In the process of high voltage and ionizing 
radiation, sheets of carbon condense and curl about its own flat structure, 
into the buckyballs. The cages capture electrons, plasma and potentially a 
myriad of elements along with it. These balls are unbelievably tough and 
easily able to contain a rapidly charged and vast capacitance. An affinity 
of buckyballs is that they will stick together given the static 
opportunity. Buckyballs can even condense into crystal structures and 
exhibit unique characteristics science is only beginning to understand. 
Although there may be tens of trillions of buckyballs in a single ball 
lightning, the whole structure would be near weightless, even if it were 3 
feet across. Electrostatic effects, not unlike pith balls, would allow them 
to move about. The known spin of buckyballs permits us to extrapolate that 
colors would be evident. The high capacitance gives us the electrical 
phenomenon of rapid noisy discharge, not unlike what is already demonstrated.
HERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO PONDER
The only really successful recreations of Ball Lightning involved high 
voltage and carbon emitters.

Tesla is purported to have created Ball Lightning at will with high 
voltage, carbon emitters, and some frequency manipulation. There is no way 
of him knowing that carbon bucky balls played any role. Also, his lab would 
have been coated with C60 in every nook and cranny, from his many 
experiments, which always involved carbon based emitters.

Bucky balls and other fullerene manufacture, including silica balls and 
metallofullerene involves high voltage, carbon emitters, vacuum, and 
condensation.
Lightning strikes create a cathode which is beyond the power produced in a 
lab, creates a vacuum, atomized elements and expands all of the parameters 
of producing buckyballs in a lab.

Metallofullerene is now manufactured by placing the metallic element into 
admix with carbon, then electrifying it at high voltage and condensing it. 
Not impossible for lightning.

Lightning has the distinct advantage of thousands of daily strikes 
worldwide, giving it the opportunity to increase the odds of creating ball 
lightning conditions.

Lightning seldom creates Ball Lightning at higher altitudes, mountain tops, 
because of the lack of carbon, whereas tree and ground strikes would be 
abundant sources of carbon, silica, minerals and metals.

A lightning strike could virtually suck up several lb. of carbon and 
extraneous material in fractions of seconds, whereas labs may burn of 
fractions of grams to create bucky balls.

Lightning may in fact produce carbon, silica, and cage like structures 
involving other elements of gas and plasma we are not even aware of yet.








Thanks for listening. Any feedback would be nice, as good criticism either 
expands this story for me, or makes it a fairy tale. Either way, if I am 
wrong, ball lightning remains as amazing as it is amusing.

It is not the object of conjecture to make anybody wrong

but just as much an effort to be right

The real objective is pondering the difference between the two

Mick Lee
Michael Lee

Lethbridge AB Canada

1 403 328-5965

mdlee01 at shaw.ca

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven, this link may be of help</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've found that both updraft speed and cloud top 
height (ie higher topped storms seem to produce more lightning) contribute to 
lightning frequency but as you say there are always exceptions.&nbsp; Yesterday 
around Brisbane is a fairly good example - i chased 3 different storms late 
afternoon, all of which appeared reasonably strong, yet i didn't see one single 
bolt of lightning ... yet on other similar days with similar strength storms 
they've been much much more lightning active! Go figure</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What are the factors that contribute to the 
  frequency of lightning within a Cumulonimbus cell? </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen large cb that produce little or no 
  lightning.&nbsp;Is it to do with the velocity of the updraught?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the most rapidly forming cb are the most 
  lightning active.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Very in-depth stuff. Sorry about the short reply but I have heard
(somewhere) that ball lightning has been seen to roll across the ground and
into a room. The theory is good but a bit hard in places to fathom out. I'm
no genius, but can it possibly happen. Not sure where I read it but
apparently it passed through glass and "exploded" in a room.
Wondering, and would love to see it, as would everyone I suppose
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:46 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Theory on Ball Lightning??


> Hi all,
>
> Below is a message sent to me by Michael Lee in regards to his theory on
> ball lightning. I have had permission to forward it on for some comments
> debate. Perhaps until he joins on (if he does), could you cc his e-mail
> address  <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca so he could receive your
> comments and opinions
>
> This is out of my league I suppose.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
> --------------------------------------------
> Greetings
>      I developed this theory of ball lightning while working on
buckminster
> fullerene years ago. Would you be so kind as go give me your opinion.
> Thank you for your time
> Michael Lee
> Lethbridge AB
> <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca
> BALL LIGHTNING BY
>
> Michael Lee
>
> Carbon, ionized gas, metal atoms, vaporized rock and silica atoms. How do
> these come together to form ball lightning? Two items play a major role.
> Carbon and silica are reduced to atomic soot by lightning, and when they
> condense they can form buckyball structures. I believe that this is the
> basis of Ball Lightning phenomena.
>
> These round ball cage like structures have a unique ability to contain
> hundreds of elements within the cage, and will also stick to each other.
> Hey can capture atoms in the shell itself, which then means it can bond to
> other shells, or form pearl like strings.
>
> The body of Ball lightning is formed in fractions of seconds, when the
> conditions are right. Lightning strikes the ground and trillions of carbon
> atoms and the admix of other components, rush into the plasma umbilical,
> the vacuum of the lightning strike. Each carbon atom, not unlike a cell in
> the Ball Lightning, rapidly wants to bond while condensing into a bigger
> object, still to small to be seen with microscopy. An infinitely small
seed
> of ball lightning forms first, and like cells of an organ, start to make
up
> the body.
>
> Carbon sheets form from the burnt soot, first, hot and vibrating atoms,
> then these sheets collapse by condensation into cages. These balls of
> carbon wrap around the essential nature of Ball lightning. Each carbon
> ball, of variable sizes and constituents, completes its condensation by
> encapsulating the residue left behind by the lightning strike. Some carbon
> cages capture bonded strings of silica, which go on burning. Some silica
> forms into cage structures and may indeed capture carbon also. Other hyper
> fullerenes capture each other, using shared atoms of the metals in the
> vaporized dirt. A bi-polar soup of pulsing energy is hosted by carbon and
> silica s innate ability to form soccer ball shapes. These shaped balls
bond
> to each other in many intricate ways, some predictable, and some to be
> discovered soon.
>
> Lightning strikes begin the fleeting packets of ionized energy, oceans of
> electrons and a sky of plasma gas that feed the Ball Lightning. The column
> of energy from the lightning strike is like a baby bottle, so full of
> constituents of energy that the carbon and silica balls feed freely. These
> bucky balls are so formidable that by snapping their mouth s shut around
> anything, the atomic cage is now a warden.
>
> Buckyballs, easily recognized by science, form the body of Ball lightning.
> Some of the carbon has condensed into the well known C60, others are
> smaller or bigger. The granddaddy balls, as the Russians discovered, are
> hyper fullerenes. Magnificent carbon cages capable of containing a great
> deal of energy, and now as we know, an assortment of metallic magic. It
may
> be that a few of these have captured the essence of the Ball lightning s
> appearance. Its hair color if you like. Shimmering with red, hints of
> orange and yellow, all oscillating within the energy of ball lightning.
> Perhaps a little sulfur is added to the mix for good measure, and we see
> some color burning along with silica.
>
> Pathology for Ball lightning, when we create them in the lab, would be
> interesting. Each carbon bucky ball, containing potential electrical
> energy, goes into static capacitance. Imagine this carbon capacitor
> floating in the air like cotton candy. Like the lightest of aero gels made
> from glass, it floats like a feather, and so does ball lightning. The
> difference for a floating Ball lightning, beyond that of floating aero gel
> glass, is its static potential. This will be in the millions of volts. I
> coined the term "Aero Fullerene" to try and describe the material of a
ball
> lightning Ball lightning. With some experimenting on this new material, it
> may lead us to delivering artificial Ball Lightning in a lab. More about
> that later.
>
> The ability of buckyballs, fullerenes, fullerides or C60 variations, is
the
> secret to holding energy within the Ball lightning. Ball lightning s
> contain their power like the fluffiest battery you could imagine. They
> could not do it without the ability of the fullerene to hold electrons in
> their inner shells. Silica and carbon both exhibit the ability to form
> balls, while carbon can form bucky tubes. Perhaps with some tinkering in
> the lab we will soon find that Ball Lightning also contains bucky tubes
> with staggering dimensions, that also contain elements within the tube
> shape. Many interesting things could be discovered by the production of
> artificial Ball Lightning.
>
> More romantically, imagine ball lightning s bucky cells sticking together
> like water molecules. Its energy vibrating and oscillating to hundreds of
> its own tunes, conducted by the nature of the admix. Ball lightning
> demonstrates a myriad of frequency effects, from a hum working on air, to
> light waves and well beyond microwave. All of these effects, from
explosive
> static discharge, to colors, can be explained by the affinity of physics I
> am writing about.
>
> Buckyballs spin very fast, but can also be slowed down. Slowing bucky
balls
> down is like adding hair to the Ball lightning. Stick an interesting atom,
> to the structure of a carbon cage, and it relaxes a bit. This would be
like
> dielectric paint made from buckminster fullerene, changing colors when the
> potential charge diminishes.
>
> Simple carbon cage structures, holding & electrons, plasma, potential
ionic
> elements of metal, and vapors of sand and dirt, all stuck together. The
> birth of ball lightning, may in fact show us how to build better batteries
> and tell us how to nurse hydrogen into storage. A fluffy baby, weighing
> almost nothing, yet trillions of cage structured base cells, floating
about
> on its own pond of electrostatic energy. An electrical capacitor floating
> in the air. It doesn t require a jacket to hold itself together, but
sticks
> to itself like bits of velcro.
>
> Ball lightning sucks in millions of static volts, electrons locked up in
> the cells of the carbon. They stick to each other with the attraction of
> dissimilar poles. Positive carbon shells seeking negative energy, in an
> endless cluster of poles. Ball lightning is lighter than aerogels yet
> having a solid appearance.
>
> Each carbon ball, some bigger than others, can be described as a miniature
> battery of energy. Free floating yet seeking to bond to its attractive
> mate. Some carbon cages may contain a metal atom, a delinquent silica atom
> stuck within the cage structure, and each will lend an interesting new
> aspect to its appearance. The whole thing oscillating colorfully at
> frequencies we see. Some slow, some fast, the bullies disrupting the
others
> spin away wildly when their gyrations are not tolerated by any attempt of
> choreography. Sparkles of red, shimmers of blue and white light. Some
> balls, momentarily without a dance partner spin madly through the soup at
a
> hundred million cycles per second. Most want to mate with intimacy & the
> way a water molecule loves its identical self.
>
> When an Ball lightning is born in a lab, we could study its body. Each
> carbon cage, body cells if you like, can contain the energy of as few as
> three electrons, based on the width across the nucleus of the cage. Others
> such as hyper fullerene cages, have the potential of holding dozens of
> electrons, metal atoms or gas. Imagine a plasma gas swirling in the
centers
> of some cages, and metallic elements shimmering along in others. There are
> dozens of interesting chapters to this story.
>
> Buckminster fullerene [C60] is being investigated for its excellent
ability
> to hold electrons, as in a battery. The discerning and alarming fact with
> bucky ball batteries, used as capacitors if you like, is that while they
> retain immense voltage, they can discharge with the same ferocity as the
> lightning that gave it life. Witness s attest to how frightening the death
> of ball lightning can be, going out with an unexpected bang. A colicky
ball
> lightning is another matter. It hisses and complains as it grows old. Its
> life being seconds to minutes, it is not above complaining loudly. These
> would be the ones that sizzle water up to boiling, and pull power boxes
out
> of walls.
>
> The center of a carbon caged buckyball does not just hold electrons, but
> perhaps even a nice vacuum chamber full of plasma gas. it has two distinct
> energy states competing for the same space. The positive charge of the
> carbon cage, and the negative charge of its contents. Buckyballs are
tough,
> capable of withstanding staggering impacts, and healing into diamond
> structures when intentionally broken or squeezed. All by itself, the
prison
> is a formidable keeper. The negative charge inside one ball, with a few
> electrons, will be attracted not only to the walls of its own prison, a
> constant dance of vibrating energy trying to remain homeostatic, but to
the
> walls of its neighbor. The strong force, over the short distance to its
> prison walls, wins the affection of its keeper, while over the long
> distance does not repel the like charge of its brothers and sisters. A
> careful balance of force and repulsion is played out, with the distance
> painted in angstroms. We can see the similarity of how hydrogen and oxygen
> stick together, and structured clusters of water act on each others
> affinity to be married. Buckyballs do the same when charged.
>
> Nature gives ball lightning short lives surrounded by some friendly
> factors, and other dangerous predators. A dangerous predator that to Ball
> Lightning is any potential grounding that may be skulking nearby. The Ball
> Lightning can carry millions of static volts, and lower potentials can
> sneak towards it, even attract it. The ball lightning is unaware that
> static capacitors should live in fear of grounding. Scary things that eat
> energy are just a way of saying that there is less of something there, the
> void, and so energy flows into it. The entropy that kills ball lightning
is
> an immutable law of physics.
>
> If ball lightning happens along a power line, it will stay alive a little
> longer. It is potentially a static truth that the high charge of the
> electrical line becomes a kind of an energy source for the Ball Lightning.
> A good old corona discharge giving up an electron lunch.
>
> In summary, the birth of a lightning ball is created under ideal
> circumstance when lightning vaporizes carbon, present in anything organic,
> and often in the soil itself. The atomized carbon vapor rises up the path
> of the arc of the lightning and condenses into Buckminster fullerenes or
> commonly referred buckyballs. In the process of high voltage and ionizing
> radiation, sheets of carbon condense and curl about its own flat
structure,
> into the buckyballs. The cages capture electrons, plasma and potentially a
> myriad of elements along with it. These balls are unbelievably tough and
> easily able to contain a rapidly charged and vast capacitance. An affinity
> of buckyballs is that they will stick together given the static
> opportunity. Buckyballs can even condense into crystal structures and
> exhibit unique characteristics science is only beginning to understand.
> Although there may be tens of trillions of buckyballs in a single ball
> lightning, the whole structure would be near weightless, even if it were 3
> feet across. Electrostatic effects, not unlike pith balls, would allow
them
> to move about. The known spin of buckyballs permits us to extrapolate that
> colors would be evident. The high capacitance gives us the electrical
> phenomenon of rapid noisy discharge, not unlike what is already
demonstrated.
> HERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO PONDER
> The only really successful recreations of Ball Lightning involved high
> voltage and carbon emitters.
>
> Tesla is purported to have created Ball Lightning at will with high
> voltage, carbon emitters, and some frequency manipulation. There is no way
> of him knowing that carbon bucky balls played any role. Also, his lab
would
> have been coated with C60 in every nook and cranny, from his many
> experiments, which always involved carbon based emitters.
>
> Bucky balls and other fullerene manufacture, including silica balls and
> metallofullerene involves high voltage, carbon emitters, vacuum, and
> condensation.
> Lightning strikes create a cathode which is beyond the power produced in a
> lab, creates a vacuum, atomized elements and expands all of the parameters
> of producing buckyballs in a lab.
>
> Metallofullerene is now manufactured by placing the metallic element into
> admix with carbon, then electrifying it at high voltage and condensing it.
> Not impossible for lightning.
>
> Lightning has the distinct advantage of thousands of daily strikes
> worldwide, giving it the opportunity to increase the odds of creating ball
> lightning conditions.
>
> Lightning seldom creates Ball Lightning at higher altitudes, mountain
tops,
> because of the lack of carbon, whereas tree and ground strikes would be
> abundant sources of carbon, silica, minerals and metals.
>
> A lightning strike could virtually suck up several lb. of carbon and
> extraneous material in fractions of seconds, whereas labs may burn of
> fractions of grams to create bucky balls.
>
> Lightning may in fact produce carbon, silica, and cage like structures
> involving other elements of gas and plasma we are not even aware of yet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for listening. Any feedback would be nice, as good criticism either
> expands this story for me, or makes it a fairy tale. Either way, if I am
> wrong, ball lightning remains as amazing as it is amusing.
>
> It is not the object of conjecture to make anybody wrong
>
> but just as much an effort to be right
>
> The real objective is pondering the difference between the two
>
> Mick Lee
> Michael Lee
>
> Lethbridge AB Canada
>
> 1 403 328-5965
>
> mdlee01 at shaw.ca
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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iv'e read and seen a lot on ball lightning but this thesis is a
new one on me. ball lightning is being generated in labs
but it is a hit and miss affair and trying to get a handle on
it is like trying to carry a bag full of live eels without the
bag. is this thesis written as theory or fact ? it would also
be interesting to know it's definative source.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bussy <bussie at netc.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Theory on Ball Lightning??


> Very in-depth stuff. Sorry about the short reply but I have heard
> (somewhere) that ball lightning has been seen to roll across the ground
and
> into a room. The theory is good but a bit hard in places to fathom out.
I'm
> no genius, but can it possibly happen. Not sure where I read it but
> apparently it passed through glass and "exploded" in a room.
> Wondering, and would love to see it, as would everyone I suppose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:46 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Theory on Ball Lightning??
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Below is a message sent to me by Michael Lee in regards to his theory on
> > ball lightning. I have had permission to forward it on for some comments
> > debate. Perhaps until he joins on (if he does), could you cc his e-mail
> > address  <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca so he could receive your
> > comments and opinions
> >
> > This is out of my league I suppose.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > --------------------------------------------
> > Greetings
> >      I developed this theory of ball lightning while working on
> buckminster
> > fullerene years ago. Would you be so kind as go give me your opinion.
> > Thank you for your time
> > Michael Lee
> > Lethbridge AB
> > <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca
> > BALL LIGHTNING BY
> >
> > Michael Lee
> >
> > Carbon, ionized gas, metal atoms, vaporized rock and silica atoms. How
do
> > these come together to form ball lightning? Two items play a major role.
> > Carbon and silica are reduced to atomic soot by lightning, and when they
> > condense they can form buckyball structures. I believe that this is the
> > basis of Ball Lightning phenomena.
> >
> > These round ball cage like structures have a unique ability to contain
> > hundreds of elements within the cage, and will also stick to each other.
> > Hey can capture atoms in the shell itself, which then means it can bond
to
> > other shells, or form pearl like strings.
> >
> > The body of Ball lightning is formed in fractions of seconds, when the
> > conditions are right. Lightning strikes the ground and trillions of
carbon
> > atoms and the admix of other components, rush into the plasma umbilical,
> > the vacuum of the lightning strike. Each carbon atom, not unlike a cell
in
> > the Ball Lightning, rapidly wants to bond while condensing into a bigger
> > object, still to small to be seen with microscopy. An infinitely small
> seed
> > of ball lightning forms first, and like cells of an organ, start to make
> up
> > the body.
> >
> > Carbon sheets form from the burnt soot, first, hot and vibrating atoms,
> > then these sheets collapse by condensation into cages. These balls of
> > carbon wrap around the essential nature of Ball lightning. Each carbon
> > ball, of variable sizes and constituents, completes its condensation by
> > encapsulating the residue left behind by the lightning strike. Some
carbon
> > cages capture bonded strings of silica, which go on burning. Some silica
> > forms into cage structures and may indeed capture carbon also. Other
hyper
> > fullerenes capture each other, using shared atoms of the metals in the
> > vaporized dirt. A bi-polar soup of pulsing energy is hosted by carbon
and
> > silica s innate ability to form soccer ball shapes. These shaped balls
> bond
> > to each other in many intricate ways, some predictable, and some to be
> > discovered soon.
> >
> > Lightning strikes begin the fleeting packets of ionized energy, oceans
of
> > electrons and a sky of plasma gas that feed the Ball Lightning. The
column
> > of energy from the lightning strike is like a baby bottle, so full of
> > constituents of energy that the carbon and silica balls feed freely.
These
> > bucky balls are so formidable that by snapping their mouth s shut around
> > anything, the atomic cage is now a warden.
> >
> > Buckyballs, easily recognized by science, form the body of Ball
lightning.
> > Some of the carbon has condensed into the well known C60, others are
> > smaller or bigger. The granddaddy balls, as the Russians discovered, are
> > hyper fullerenes. Magnificent carbon cages capable of containing a great
> > deal of energy, and now as we know, an assortment of metallic magic. It
> may
> > be that a few of these have captured the essence of the Ball lightning s
> > appearance. Its hair color if you like. Shimmering with red, hints of
> > orange and yellow, all oscillating within the energy of ball lightning.
> > Perhaps a little sulfur is added to the mix for good measure, and we see
> > some color burning along with silica.
> >
> > Pathology for Ball lightning, when we create them in the lab, would be
> > interesting. Each carbon bucky ball, containing potential electrical
> > energy, goes into static capacitance. Imagine this carbon capacitor
> > floating in the air like cotton candy. Like the lightest of aero gels
made
> > from glass, it floats like a feather, and so does ball lightning. The
> > difference for a floating Ball lightning, beyond that of floating aero
gel
> > glass, is its static potential. This will be in the millions of volts. I
> > coined the term "Aero Fullerene" to try and describe the material of a
> ball
> > lightning Ball lightning. With some experimenting on this new material,
it
> > may lead us to delivering artificial Ball Lightning in a lab. More about
> > that later.
> >
> > The ability of buckyballs, fullerenes, fullerides or C60 variations, is
> the
> > secret to holding energy within the Ball lightning. Ball lightning s
> > contain their power like the fluffiest battery you could imagine. They
> > could not do it without the ability of the fullerene to hold electrons
in
> > their inner shells. Silica and carbon both exhibit the ability to form
> > balls, while carbon can form bucky tubes. Perhaps with some tinkering in
> > the lab we will soon find that Ball Lightning also contains bucky tubes
> > with staggering dimensions, that also contain elements within the tube
> > shape. Many interesting things could be discovered by the production of
> > artificial Ball Lightning.
> >
> > More romantically, imagine ball lightning s bucky cells sticking
together
> > like water molecules. Its energy vibrating and oscillating to hundreds
of
> > its own tunes, conducted by the nature of the admix. Ball lightning
> > demonstrates a myriad of frequency effects, from a hum working on air,
to
> > light waves and well beyond microwave. All of these effects, from
> explosive
> > static discharge, to colors, can be explained by the affinity of physics
I
> > am writing about.
> >
> > Buckyballs spin very fast, but can also be slowed down. Slowing bucky
> balls
> > down is like adding hair to the Ball lightning. Stick an interesting
atom,
> > to the structure of a carbon cage, and it relaxes a bit. This would be
> like
> > dielectric paint made from buckminster fullerene, changing colors when
the
> > potential charge diminishes.
> >
> > Simple carbon cage structures, holding & electrons, plasma, potential
> ionic
> > elements of metal, and vapors of sand and dirt, all stuck together. The
> > birth of ball lightning, may in fact show us how to build better
batteries
> > and tell us how to nurse hydrogen into storage. A fluffy baby, weighing
> > almost nothing, yet trillions of cage structured base cells, floating
> about
> > on its own pond of electrostatic energy. An electrical capacitor
floating
> > in the air. It doesn t require a jacket to hold itself together, but
> sticks
> > to itself like bits of velcro.
> >
> > Ball lightning sucks in millions of static volts, electrons locked up in
> > the cells of the carbon. They stick to each other with the attraction of
> > dissimilar poles. Positive carbon shells seeking negative energy, in an
> > endless cluster of poles. Ball lightning is lighter than aerogels yet
> > having a solid appearance.
> >
> > Each carbon ball, some bigger than others, can be described as a
miniature
> > battery of energy. Free floating yet seeking to bond to its attractive
> > mate. Some carbon cages may contain a metal atom, a delinquent silica
atom
> > stuck within the cage structure, and each will lend an interesting new
> > aspect to its appearance. The whole thing oscillating colorfully at
> > frequencies we see. Some slow, some fast, the bullies disrupting the
> others
> > spin away wildly when their gyrations are not tolerated by any attempt
of
> > choreography. Sparkles of red, shimmers of blue and white light. Some
> > balls, momentarily without a dance partner spin madly through the soup
at
> a
> > hundred million cycles per second. Most want to mate with intimacy & the
> > way a water molecule loves its identical self.
> >
> > When an Ball lightning is born in a lab, we could study its body. Each
> > carbon cage, body cells if you like, can contain the energy of as few as
> > three electrons, based on the width across the nucleus of the cage.
Others
> > such as hyper fullerene cages, have the potential of holding dozens of
> > electrons, metal atoms or gas. Imagine a plasma gas swirling in the
> centers
> > of some cages, and metallic elements shimmering along in others. There
are
> > dozens of interesting chapters to this story.
> >
> > Buckminster fullerene [C60] is being investigated for its excellent
> ability
> > to hold electrons, as in a battery. The discerning and alarming fact
with
> > bucky ball batteries, used as capacitors if you like, is that while they
> > retain immense voltage, they can discharge with the same ferocity as the
> > lightning that gave it life. Witness s attest to how frightening the
death
> > of ball lightning can be, going out with an unexpected bang. A colicky
> ball
> > lightning is another matter. It hisses and complains as it grows old.
Its
> > life being seconds to minutes, it is not above complaining loudly. These
> > would be the ones that sizzle water up to boiling, and pull power boxes
> out
> > of walls.
> >
> > The center of a carbon caged buckyball does not just hold electrons, but
> > perhaps even a nice vacuum chamber full of plasma gas. it has two
distinct
> > energy states competing for the same space. The positive charge of the
> > carbon cage, and the negative charge of its contents. Buckyballs are
> tough,
> > capable of withstanding staggering impacts, and healing into diamond
> > structures when intentionally broken or squeezed. All by itself, the
> prison
> > is a formidable keeper. The negative charge inside one ball, with a few
> > electrons, will be attracted not only to the walls of its own prison, a
> > constant dance of vibrating energy trying to remain homeostatic, but to
> the
> > walls of its neighbor. The strong force, over the short distance to its
> > prison walls, wins the affection of its keeper, while over the long
> > distance does not repel the like charge of its brothers and sisters. A
> > careful balance of force and repulsion is played out, with the distance
> > painted in angstroms. We can see the similarity of how hydrogen and
oxygen
> > stick together, and structured clusters of water act on each others
> > affinity to be married. Buckyballs do the same when charged.
> >
> > Nature gives ball lightning short lives surrounded by some friendly
> > factors, and other dangerous predators. A dangerous predator that to
Ball
> > Lightning is any potential grounding that may be skulking nearby. The
Ball
> > Lightning can carry millions of static volts, and lower potentials can
> > sneak towards it, even attract it. The ball lightning is unaware that
> > static capacitors should live in fear of grounding. Scary things that
eat
> > energy are just a way of saying that there is less of something there,
the
> > void, and so energy flows into it. The entropy that kills ball lightning
> is
> > an immutable law of physics.
> >
> > If ball lightning happens along a power line, it will stay alive a
little
> > longer. It is potentially a static truth that the high charge of the
> > electrical line becomes a kind of an energy source for the Ball
Lightning.
> > A good old corona discharge giving up an electron lunch.
> >
> > In summary, the birth of a lightning ball is created under ideal
> > circumstance when lightning vaporizes carbon, present in anything
organic,
> > and often in the soil itself. The atomized carbon vapor rises up the
path
> > of the arc of the lightning and condenses into Buckminster fullerenes or
> > commonly referred buckyballs. In the process of high voltage and
ionizing
> > radiation, sheets of carbon condense and curl about its own flat
> structure,
> > into the buckyballs. The cages capture electrons, plasma and potentially
a
> > myriad of elements along with it. These balls are unbelievably tough and
> > easily able to contain a rapidly charged and vast capacitance. An
affinity
> > of buckyballs is that they will stick together given the static
> > opportunity. Buckyballs can even condense into crystal structures and
> > exhibit unique characteristics science is only beginning to understand.
> > Although there may be tens of trillions of buckyballs in a single ball
> > lightning, the whole structure would be near weightless, even if it were
3
> > feet across. Electrostatic effects, not unlike pith balls, would allow
> them
> > to move about. The known spin of buckyballs permits us to extrapolate
that
> > colors would be evident. The high capacitance gives us the electrical
> > phenomenon of rapid noisy discharge, not unlike what is already
> demonstrated.
> > HERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO PONDER
> > The only really successful recreations of Ball Lightning involved high
> > voltage and carbon emitters.
> >
> > Tesla is purported to have created Ball Lightning at will with high
> > voltage, carbon emitters, and some frequency manipulation. There is no
way
> > of him knowing that carbon bucky balls played any role. Also, his lab
> would
> > have been coated with C60 in every nook and cranny, from his many
> > experiments, which always involved carbon based emitters.
> >
> > Bucky balls and other fullerene manufacture, including silica balls and
> > metallofullerene involves high voltage, carbon emitters, vacuum, and
> > condensation.
> > Lightning strikes create a cathode which is beyond the power produced in
a
> > lab, creates a vacuum, atomized elements and expands all of the
parameters
> > of producing buckyballs in a lab.
> >
> > Metallofullerene is now manufactured by placing the metallic element
into
> > admix with carbon, then electrifying it at high voltage and condensing
it.
> > Not impossible for lightning.
> >
> > Lightning has the distinct advantage of thousands of daily strikes
> > worldwide, giving it the opportunity to increase the odds of creating
ball
> > lightning conditions.
> >
> > Lightning seldom creates Ball Lightning at higher altitudes, mountain
> tops,
> > because of the lack of carbon, whereas tree and ground strikes would be
> > abundant sources of carbon, silica, minerals and metals.
> >
> > A lightning strike could virtually suck up several lb. of carbon and
> > extraneous material in fractions of seconds, whereas labs may burn of
> > fractions of grams to create bucky balls.
> >
> > Lightning may in fact produce carbon, silica, and cage like structures
> > involving other elements of gas and plasma we are not even aware of yet.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for listening. Any feedback would be nice, as good criticism
either
> > expands this story for me, or makes it a fairy tale. Either way, if I am
> > wrong, ball lightning remains as amazing as it is amusing.
> >
> > It is not the object of conjecture to make anybody wrong
> >
> > but just as much an effort to be right
> >
> > The real objective is pondering the difference between the two
> >
> > Mick Lee
> > Michael Lee
> >
> > Lethbridge AB Canada
> >
> > 1 403 328-5965
> >
> > mdlee01 at shaw.ca
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> > http://www.australiasevereweather.com
> >
> > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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A couple of recent chase accounts.

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February16.htm <-- supercell in
sydney 2 weeks ago with large wall cloud. Damage pics to follow soon.
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February2.htm <-- Chase to
Gunnedah/Tamworth.
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February8.htm <-- Feb 8
supercells and wall clouds for those that didnt see it.
Not a bad month.. also that rain event earlier in the month... been
pretty good :)

Matthew Smith

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Wow - fantastic reports!!!  Loved the photos!  The wallcloud is
absolutely amazing and the sunset Cb has awesome colours!!!

AC

Matthew Smith wrote:
> 
> A couple of recent chase accounts.
> 
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February16.htm <-- supercell in
> sydney 2 weeks ago with large wall cloud. Damage pics to follow soon.
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February2.htm <-- Chase to
> Gunnedah/Tamworth.
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February8.htm <-- Feb 8
> supercells and wall clouds for those that didnt see it.
> Not a bad month.. also that rain event earlier in the month... been
> pretty good :)
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From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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I really cannot comment on the theory presented here, but I can add my 
observations of ball lightning over the years.
I have seen it several times after trees have been struck, but 
unfortunately these were all at such a distance as to make accurate 
observations difficult.
Years ago, however I was repairing a computer when lightning struck the 
metal grille on the outside of a window immediately behind the monitor.  
A ball lightning formed outside and passed through the metal grille and 
the glass window as if neither of them were there.  It passed between me 
and my client who were seated one each side of the computer and we both 
turned around in time to see it hit the refrigerator behind us.  It 
bounced off the fridge as a balloon would bounce if that balloon were 
filled with a mixture of helium and air to make it keep its height 
without either rising or falling.
It passed across the kitchen again and left the room through either the 
other closed window or through a stone wall after which it was visible 
through the window outside of the house.  We are not sure whether it 
went through the window or the wall adjacent to the window.  My client 
thought the former, I thought the latter.  We were both almost against 
the same wall about three metres away from where it made its exit.
During its trip through the room our hair stood on end, but afterwards we 
couldn't decide whether this was an electrical effect or because of the 
extreme fear we both felt at the time.
We investigated the fridge where it had hit and noticed a brown scorch 
mark of some sort which was later able to be washed off so it must have 
been some sort of a deposit rather than an actual burn.
The sound made was a kind of electrical hum at a higher frequency than 
one would experience from the 50 Hz AC that was in the household 
electrical circuits.
We both had a sense of having been in a place of immense danger and yet 
neither of us was actually hurt in any way.  We both realised that we had 
felt very fearful of it yet at the same time very interested in trying to 
understand what was going on.
So there's my experience which may or may not throw a bit of light on the 
discussion.
My questions are:
1. How could it pass through a metal grille and a closed glass window?
2. If it did pass through the stone wall, as it appeared from my point of 
view, how is it possible that it could do so?  It seems to be beyond my 
grasp of physical science.
I should mention that this started with an almighty great and extremely 
close lightning strike that had already almost scared the wits out of 
both of us.  The other fellow seriously asked whether we had been seeing 
some sort of hallucination, but as our reconstruction after the event 
tied together perfectly from both of our points of view, I think that 
hallucination was unlikely.  And he did have to clean the mark off his 
fridge!

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bussy" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:41:55 +1100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Theory on Ball Lightning??

> Very in-depth stuff. Sorry about the short reply but I have heard
> (somewhere) that ball lightning has been seen to roll across the ground
> and
> into a room. The theory is good but a bit hard in places to fathom out.
> I'm
> no genius, but can it possibly happen. Not sure where I read it but
> apparently it passed through glass and "exploded" in a room.
> Wondering, and would love to see it, as would everyone I suppose
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy Deguara" <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 5:46 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Theory on Ball Lightning??
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Below is a message sent to me by Michael Lee in regards to his theory
> on
> > ball lightning. I have had permission to forward it on for some
> comments
> > debate. Perhaps until he joins on (if he does), could you cc his
> e-mail
> > address  <mailto:mdlee at shaw.ca>mdlee at shaw.ca so he could receive your
> > comments and opinions
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Lee's theory on ball lightning looks extremely 
specialised.&nbsp;</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>An&nbsp;interesting phenomena 
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has any one observed lightning breaking up into 
segments before it disappears.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have observed this in the polluted atmosphere of 
the United Kingdom. I have never seen it in NZ.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A couple of years ago i saw what looked like a ball 
of flame&nbsp;come off the top of a building in Auckland as it was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hit by lightning. I assumed&nbsp;this was burning 
debris. The flame only lasted a couple of seconds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 07:23:18 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Hi Jane and all,
It looks set to become Super Typhoon Mitag within a couple of days, if 
JTWC are correct.
For those who have trouble cutting and pasting that long URL, there is a 
link to it on my site at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm where 
other appropriate links shall be added as the storm continues.
The different models are predicting very different tracks at the moment, 
some curving it sharply North towards Japan, others keeping it West 
towards Luzon.
If it does head for Luzon, we may see it here in about a week's time.
However as that path would be very rare for this time of year, I suspect 
we will see it head for Taiwan or Japan.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:49:07 +1100
Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon Mitag

> Afternoon all,
> 
> The Guam cyclone page has some local details re Typhoon Mitag - the
> very
> long URL is the Local Statement - Storm 1
> http://205.156.54.206/pr/guam/cyclone.html
> 
> http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/fmtbltn.pl?file=hurricane_products/west
> e
> rn_pacific/storm_1/local_stmt.txt&title=Tropical+Cyclone%3CBR%3ELocal+S
> t
> atement&maxage=006&alturl=http://www.nws.noaa.gov/pr/guam/nodata.html
> 
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Summer summary (fwd)> Content-Length: 4945
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> 
> > I'm sure you've been waiting for this....
> >
> > Averaged over Australia as a whole, summer was the 25th wettest in 111
> years
> > of record.
> >
> 
> > Port Hedland Max 35.1 (-1.2; 4th lowest, record 34.7 1950-51)
> > MIn 24.6 (-0.3)
> > Rain 35.6 (20%, decile 2)
> >
> 
> 
> Hello Blair
> Is decile 2 lowest 20%, decile 9 highest 10%?
> Do you know a url if you do not have the time to explain?
> 
> regards
> 
> Chas
> Strahan Tasmania

Decile 2 - in lowest 20% but not in lowest 10%
Decile 9 - in lowest 90% but not in lowest 80% (or equivalently,
in highest 20% but not in highest 10%)

Blair
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If the ball of flame fell towards the ground like like any other falling 
object then it was burning debris, if it kind of "floated" along through 
the air like a balloon, then it was probably ball lightning.  I have seen 
a couple of flame-coloured ball lightnings in the distance over the 
years.  Sometimes ball lightning moves rapidly, sometimes very slowly.

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:47:50 +1300
Subject: aus-wx: Lightning

> Mike Lee's theory on ball lightning looks extremely specialised. An
> interesting phenomena though.
> Has any one observed lightning breaking up into segments before it
> disappears.
> I have observed this in the polluted atmosphere of the United Kingdom.
> I have never seen it in NZ.
> A couple of years ago i saw what looked like a ball of flame come off
> the top of a building in Auckland as it was
> hit by lightning. I assumed this was burning debris. The flame only
> lasted a couple of seconds.
> Cheers
> Steven W
>    
> 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Afternoon all,

Mitag has been estimated by JTWC at 944hPa!! (but I can't find
confirmation anywhere else of this pressure)

..... and #93P (the tropically disturbed area SW of the Solomon Islands)
is being monitored by the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc-bin/tc_home

Meanwhile, in Melbourne we have passing drizzle..........

Thanks for organising that link Phil.

Jane

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Typhoon Mitag


> Hi Jane and all,
> It looks set to become Super Typhoon Mitag within a couple of days, if
> JTWC are correct.
> For those who have trouble cutting and pasting that long URL, there is
a
> link to it on my site at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm where
> other appropriate links shall be added as the storm continues.
> The different models are predicting very different tracks at the
moment,
> some curving it sharply North towards Japan, others keeping it West
> towards Luzon.
> If it does head for Luzon, we may see it here in about a week's time.
> However as that path would be very rare for this time of year, I
suspect
> we will see it head for Taiwan or Japan.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> International Christian School E-mail: SmithP at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:49:07 +1100
> Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon Mitag
>
> > Afternoon all,
> >
> > The Guam cyclone page has some local details re Typhoon Mitag - the
> > very
> > long URL is the Local Statement - Storm 1
> > http://205.156.54.206/pr/guam/cyclone.html
> >
> >
http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/fmtbltn.pl?file=hurricane_products/west
> > e
> >
rn_pacific/storm_1/local_stmt.txt&title=Tropical+Cyclone%3CBR%3ELocal+S
> > t
> >
atement&maxage=006&alturl=http://www.nws.noaa.gov/pr/guam/nodata.html
> >
> > Jane
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Storm Spotting in Victoria
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:58:58 +1100
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Victorians (in particular)

If you aren't already a storm spotter for the BoM in Victoria and would
like to offer your services, there's now a link on the Melbourne
Stormchasers page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com

Click on the Bureau of Meteorology logo & you will be able to send an
email direct to the Severe Weather section in Victoria, who would be
delighted to join you up or answer any questions you might have.  You
can also email me if you have any queries.

I've also included a link below the BoM logo to the Storm Spotters
Handbook, which is well worth a read.

Jane

PS: a number of new reports have gone up from our 'overactive' storm
month of February

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks like this one is elongating a bit too much 
for development into a true TC. That northern cluster of storms needs to break 
away and soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe a hybrid system is developing out of the 
southern cloud cluster ??? This may swing toward the south&nbsp;west and then 
west if that high and ridge gets a wriggle on. (ie a scenario similar to Sub 
Tropical Storm "Donald Duck" last year). If the ridge doesn't get itself in 
place &nbsp;soon and form a block, I suspect that this system will be lost 
toward the SE at an accelerating rate taking away all that tropical moisture 
with it (just like all the systems&nbsp;have been doing consistently for a long 
time now).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Still, we have&nbsp;had some useful rain here in my 
part of SE QLD over the past 24 hrs (but we need much much more).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Jerilderie storm 
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Afternoon all,

Newspaper article (just a bit over the top in the best journalistic
sense!!) from the Border Mail with the leading article headlined 'TOWN
BLOWN OFF THE MAP'

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/20_02_02jer.htm

Many thanks to Ross Buscall for sending me the newspaper.

Jane
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks like this tropical disturbance is destined 
for NZ or beyond.(late week)&nbsp;The high over Vic will help steer it out to 
sea</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>away from Qld. If it does come onto NZ it would be 
nice if it moved down our west coast so we get the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>tropical air and interesting rainfall in 
Auckland.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven W&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=simon_clarke at iprimus.com.au 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:30 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Coral Sea trough/low 
  area</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks like this one is elongating a bit too much 
  for development into a true TC. That northern cluster of storms needs to break 
  away and soon.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe a hybrid system is developing out of the 
  southern cloud cluster ??? This may swing toward the south&nbsp;west and then 
  west if that high and ridge gets a wriggle on. (ie a scenario similar to Sub 
  Tropical Storm "Donald Duck" last year). If the ridge doesn't get itself in 
  place &nbsp;soon and form a block, I suspect that this system will be lost 
  toward the SE at an accelerating rate taking away all that tropical moisture 
  with it (just like all the systems&nbsp;have been doing consistently for a 
  long time now).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Still, we have&nbsp;had some useful rain here in 
  my part of SE QLD over the past 24 hrs (but we need much much 
  more).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Feb 20th Victorian images
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Have put up 4 panoramas courtesy of Andrew McDonald from the 7th
February taken from between Ballarat & Bacchus Marsh.

http://www.stormchasers.au.com/07_02_02am.htm

More stunning photography from one of those talented Victorians!!

Jane

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Hi all,

Just another quick look at the Coral Sea development.... And it seems to be
better organized then what it was last week..

I think its got all the potential for cyclone development over the next few
days, so I might be worth keeping an eye out for it.



Regards

Jason


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> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick note on the weather for QLD and a week tropical disturbance
> seems to be around the solomon islands..
> It might have the potential to develop into a TC.
> Jason
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Great shots and report.
It looks as though Sydney has been the place to be for severe summer events
over the last 3 months
JohnGaul
NZ Thunderstorm Society

At 22:55 2/03/02 +1000, you wrote:
>Wow - fantastic reports!!!  Loved the photos!  The wallcloud is
>absolutely amazing and the sunset Cb has awesome colours!!!
>
>AC


>Matthew Smith wrote:
>> 
>> A couple of recent chase accounts.
>> 
>> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February16.htm <-- supercell in
>> sydney 2 weeks ago with large wall cloud. Damage pics to follow soon.
>> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February2.htm <-- Chase to
>> Gunnedah/Tamworth.
>> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2002/February8.htm <-- Feb 8
>> supercells and wall clouds for those that didnt see it.
>> Not a bad month.. also that rain event earlier in the month... been
>> pretty good :)
>> 
>> Matthew Smith
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At 19:29 3/03/02 +1300, you wrote:
Looks like this tropical disturbance is destined for NZ or beyond.(late
week) The high over Vic will help steer it out to sea away from Qld. If it
does come onto NZ it would be nice if it moved down our west coast so we
get the tropical air and interesting rainfall in Auckland. 
Steven W 



Yes I am looking forward to see what this tropical disturbance may do.
whether it will fizz out or continue to move in a track towards NZ and
hopefully head into the Tasman Sea depending on the guidance/hinderance of
the anticyclones. Northland/Auckland/BOP could be in for a soak or humid
conditions, Christchurch cloudy boring annoying easterlies ???!!!!

By the way we are missing out on possible thunder activity here
(ChCh/Canterbury)over the last few days. The current low pressure system to
the south of the South Island is moving in a TOOOOOOOOOO much of an
easterly direction. Tomorrow a weak frontal passage which could bring the
chance of a 'clap or two' will only just clip coasts and give us bugger all
in anything interesting weather-wise. An old man southerly should prevail
for the next few day before the anticyclone engosses us !
After the events of late December/early January, the weather has been quite
uneventful here!


JohnGaul
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From: "GAVIN  O'BRIEN" <mrcenterprises at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Some Gilmore Stats for February so far. A very wet month and max well below average .
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Blair ,
Sorry its taken me some time to reply .We are 660metres above sea level at
our site.I checked our figures and we recorded 29.9 degrees on the 2nd.. Our
Bonython site recorded 32.0 degrees but they are lower about 590 metres.
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> > I have just put the Gilmore A.C.T. site  met data into the computor for
=
> > February and some interesting facts came up.
> > Rainfall so far 160.1 mm on 12 days .The most in February  since I =
> > started in 1983. Heaviest 24 hours total 65.5mm on 5th a new record!=20
> > Average Min Temp. 12.8 (norm. 12.9) Average Max Temp 23.3 (norm. 26.2).
=
> > So average nights and cooler than average days due to cloud cover being
=
> > much above average. A very cool spell from 4th to 6th  Max were 4th =
> > 14.7, 5th 14.5, 6th 15.2. We have had no days above 30 degrees! This is
=
> > the first time since I started recording the weather in Canberra in =
> > 1983! With only today and tomorrow to go I don't think these figures =
> > will change much. All details will be published in the Chronicle next =
> > week.
>
> What's your elevation, Gavin? I ask because I'm quite surprised
> that you didn't make 30 on the 2nd; the airport was 32 and I wouldn't
> expect that large a difference in a maximum temperature unless you're
> getting close to the 700-metre mark (the airport is 560).
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Subject: aus-wx: Question on Lightning (fwd)
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Steven Williams typed:

> What are the factors that contribute to the frequency of lightning =
> within a Cumulonimbus cell?=20
> I have seen large cb that produce little or no lightning. Is it to do =
> with the velocity of the updraught?
> I think the most rapidly forming cb are the most lightning active. =20

One hypothesis is that the lightning frequency of a storm depends on the 
downward flux of solid precipitation through the body of the storm times 
the upward flux of ice crystals into its anvil.  Both fluxes increase
with intial updraught strength.

Support for this hypothesis comes (in part) from correlations between the number 
of optical lightning pulses (observed by a satellite-based Lightning 
Imaging Sensor (LIS)) and the microwave scattering signature of ice crystals 
(observed by the TRMM Microwave Imager (TMI)).

Harald
 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cjs on the ranges
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Afternoon all,

Having a quick look at the soundings during a break (as you do), there has
been significant moisture advection into the northeastern parts of Victoria.
If you're curious, compare Wagga & Melbourne soundings to see the
difference, and then
..........have a look at the Cj's along the ranges!!!!!!


mmmmmmm.........


Jane
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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:22:50 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Note that the Guam links have now been removed from 
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm as Mitag has moved on.  This 
afternoon I added links for PAGASA and Typhoon2000 both located in the 
Philippines.
It's a bit early to say, but my hunch is that parts of the Philippines 
will really cop the lot in about three days.
In a week it might even approach us here in HK.
Time will tell.
I have also added links copied from Carl's site giving various BoM 
warnings for the current Coral Sea Tropical Low which may or may not 
amount to much anytime soon.
Phil
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:50:45 +1100
Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon & TS

> Afternoon all,
> 
> Mitag has been estimated by JTWC at 944hPa!! (but I can't find
> confirmation anywhere else of this pressure)
> 
> ...... and #93P (the tropically disturbed area SW of the Solomon
> Islands)
> is being monitored by the Joint Typhoon Warning Centre
> http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc-bin/tc_home
> 
> Meanwhile, in Melbourne we have passing drizzle..........
> 
> Thanks for organising that link Phil.
> 
> Jane
> 
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> 
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
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> 
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Typhoon Mitag
> 
> 
> > Hi Jane and all,
> > It looks set to become Super Typhoon Mitag within a couple of days,
> if
> > JTWC are correct.
> > For those who have trouble cutting and pasting that long URL, there
> is
> a
> > link to it on my site at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm where