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* From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" <Godsman.Andrew.AG at bhp.com>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Frost in Katoomba
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:13:09 +1000 
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Laurier,

I think this very small change made a large difference in Wollongong this morning. Whereas it sounds like some areas had nights that were even colder than Thur morning, in Wollongong we were around 5 degrees warmer. It appeared that the bom had the minimum picked right when we were showing 11.7 at 9:30 last night, but on leaving home this morning at 5:30 it was still only 11.2. The only difference, an ever so slight SW breeze. I'm not sure if we got colder during the night, I'll need to check the minimum when I get home, but it certainly could have before the breeze moved things along.

Andrew Godsman

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Paul,

You're right in that local topography is only part of the answer, though
other things being equal, it is the most significant one. Altitude is only
part of the answer too -- Charlotte Pass (in a frost hollow at 1755m)
recorded -9.4 this morning, but Cooma Airport (in a frost hollow at 931M)
recorded -7.0. On a purely adiabatic basis you'd expect a difference of
around 8 degrees.

I think that the greatest differences can occur over very small timescales
and areas due to upper winds mixing down through an inversion that can
sometimes be very thin, and by movement or development of cloud cover and
local advection of moist air. Last winter I rode a bike from Dalgety to
Cooma. The ground was white with frost and I'd estimate the temperature
around -7 at Dalgety, with a clear sky and no wind. About 10km north, I rode
under a deck of stratus which appeared to be drifting in veeeeeery slowly
from the east. The air felt noticeably warmer and more humid, and I noticed
that the ground was moist not frozen, so I'd suspect an air temp of around
+3 or better. About 10km farther on, I rode back under clear skies, and
froze again. It underlined to me just how variable and hard to forecast
minimum temperatures are, as a whole range of micro variations can produce
major temperature fluctuations.

The models certainly can't cope with this short wavelength variation; even
with the best topographic database in the world, they won't pick the other
variations over small areas and timescales that can lead to substantial
variation.

Laurier


> -----Original Message-----
Paul wrote (snipped):

> The comments on the differences between the local topographies around the
> Katoomba and Goulburn sites are valid, but do not provide the
> full answer, by
> a long way.
>
> This morning, as usual, the minimum temperature at our home site
> (-6.7) was
> about a degree lower than that at the Bureau's site up the road at the
> Taralga PO (-5). The difference in topography is the reason.
>
> Goulburn's minimum temperature is usually a couple of degrees higher than
> the Taralga PO site, simply because of the difference in
> altitude. The Taralga
> site is at 880 metres, the Goulburn site is around 670 metres, I
> think. The
> airport AWS a bit lower of course. It may be that the Goulburn AWS was in
> error for once, of course, because the other Goulburn site at -4
> is more in
> line with that at Taralga PO.
>
> If not, then those folks who have access to more detailed data
> might have a
> look at the differences in dew points etc and pressure gradients
> between say
> Goulburn and Charlottes Pass. There was only a degree difference
> between the
> minima. If the conditions were the same in both places I would
> have expected a
> -16 at Charlottes, simply because of the lapse rate with
> altitude. It seems to
> me that a really cold pool went past Goulburn this morning
>
> And, as I have said on another occasion, on each of the last
> several nights under this present high, the Bureau's estimate of
> the o'night
> minimum in Canberra, Cooma, Orange has been way too high. 4-6 degrees
> difference is a big number. Please guys, don't lecture me again on the
> differences in topography - the minima given by the models ought
> to reflect
> the values measured at the Bureau's sites in the given locality.
> This is not a
> criticism, I would merely like to know why it is that the models have
> difficulty coping with still air, low humidity conditions.
>
> Andrew of the same name, any comments?
> John Gaul, the kind of weather pattern you were bored with back in early
> May (blocking high) excites interest as an extreme weather event once we
> get into frost-producing temps. BTW - looks like it was the best
> South Island
> vintage on record!
>
> Paul Miskelly
> Cushendall Vineyard
> Hill St
> TARALGA NSW
>
> "Farmer and artist, drudge and dreamer,
> hedonist and masochist, accountant and alchemist
> - the wine-grower is all these things, and has been since the Flood".
> Hugh Johnson
>
> HISTORY CELEBRATES the battlefields whereon we meet our death, but scorns
> to speak of the ploughed fields whereby we thrive. It knows the
> names of the
> king's bastards but cannot tell us the
> origin of wheat. This is the way of human folly."
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From: "Dorrell's" <keithd at lis.net.au>
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:05:37 +1000
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Hi Bussie
I've noticed the same occurring here on my farm around dawn, particularly in
winter, when out on the tractor.
As the sun rises from first light, the frost sets where prior there had been
none. It usually only lasts a short time here and is gone not long after the
sun actually rises above the surrounding tree line but remains where shaded
until the ambient air temp. rises enough to melt it!
Keith
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> Hi Bussie,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by a 'sharp' drop before sunrise, as a sharp
drop
> would imply some type of front moved through (katabatic flow? - which can
be
> like clockwork). But more generally, the actual tempreture as related to
> heating rates is out of phase. By that i mean that the strongest heating
is
> at 12 local noon but the highest temp is about 3pm - generally. This is
the
> same for night, except were talking about cooling. Once the solar
radiaiton
> becomes negligble (around sunset), the strongest cooling occurs because
the
> surface temps are the greatest and the outgoing longwave radiaition (OLR)
is
> very large. Hence, the surface cools and by sunrise, the coldest
tempretures
> are reached. This would not be sharp drop though but rather an exponential
> decay. So this is probbaly not the answer to your observation. But it's
> worth noting delatyed highs/lows as they are related to maximum
> heating/cooling rates.
>
> As a side dish, this is not restricted to the surface - the reason for
> spring being the most explosive season is because the upper atmosphere is
> still cold from winter but the lower atmosphere is just starting to warm -
> it can take upto a couple months, depending on location, for the surface
> warming to propagate up in the atmosphere and stabalise the atmosphere
> (usually a nice summer). Conversly, Autumn is very calm because the upper
> atmpshere is warm but now the lower atmosphere is cooling - which will in
> turn propagate up and we start all over again.
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:50 AM
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Bovine Raingauge thief.
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 11:47:37 +1000
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Hi all.
Apart from being embarrassed by the trail of cows that follow me up the
Leopold hill when a photographic opportunity is in the wind, the big buggers
are now into pinching my raingauge off the rear fence post (my property
backs onto farm).Its odd though as the culprit is an elderly cow with warts
all over its mouth , (I always seem to attract this sought!) she simply
walks up to the raingauge, eyes it from one side,  puts her head under the
fence and knocks it off the  holding bracket,once on the ground she noses it
off in the direction of the open paddock with me in pursuit.  I kid you not.
Apart from moving the gauge this is the best spot of open ground,any cow
experts out there?.Any way I thought I would share my experience seeing very
little weather is happening and can this be logged up as a cow or gauge
chase?....Things look better next week though with  what seems to be a major
cyclonic phase moving into south-eastern Australia,  with some reasonable
chance of  snow later in the week across the Victorian High country and
Tasmania,  might even get into the Blue Mountains,some good rain across
Victoria too..... Regards Clyve Herbert.........I think Jimmy is the cow
expert...

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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:10:31 +1000
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Tim Marshall posted some images of the 4 tornadoes on www.stormtrack.org

Here is the 30 minute long wedge....

http://www.stormtrack.org/may29h.jpg

Matt Smith

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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 16:08:55 +1000
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The title doesnt sound good, but they did ! :)

I just spoke to Tim Marshall and he said Jimmy and David both saw
tornadoes north of Amarillo Texas on May 29 (the day a 3 supercells in a
line took off in NW Texas (the day the webcam link from an Amarillo cam
was posted). The storm north of Amarillo put down 4 tornadoes, the last
of which lasted 30 minutes.
Expect some great footage when they return !

The Dutch Storm Chase Team saw a tornado in a storm south of Amarillo on
the same day, and have posted some pictures of it here :
http://www.stormchasing.nl/20010529.html

Matt Smith

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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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i have no explination to this but only a observation.
A few years ago i was travelling to sydney with a mate we were leaving at 6
in the morning. His car had a thermometer on it and when we left it was 10
degrees and still dark. around ten minutes later the first light of the sun
had spread across the sky and the temp had dropped to 5 degrees. i couldnt
explain then and i still can't now!! although i seen this happen again the
other night and i came up with a satisfactory explination BUT i forgotten
it. lol.....

Simon Angell
Canberra ACT
Current temp is a relativly warm -1.5.....

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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: 1/ Bovine Raingauge thief  2/Next system
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 16:59:17 +1000
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G'day Clive,

Funny story :)

Yes, I'm watching the development of the next system. I'll get a little more
excited by next week, if the models agree a little more.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
Blackheath Weather:
 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Bovine Raingauge thief.


> Hi all.
> Apart from being embarrassed by the trail of cows that follow me up the
> Leopold hill when a photographic opportunity is in the wind, the big
buggers
> are now into pinching my raingauge off the rear fence post (my property
> backs onto farm).Its odd though as the culprit is an elderly cow with
warts
> all over its mouth , (I always seem to attract this sought!) she simply
> walks up to the raingauge, eyes it from one side,  puts her head under the
> fence and knocks it off the  holding bracket,once on the ground she noses
it
> off in the direction of the open paddock with me in pursuit.  I kid you
not.
> Apart from moving the gauge this is the best spot of open ground,any cow
> experts out there?.Any way I thought I would share my experience seeing
very
> little weather is happening and can this be logged up as a cow or gauge
> chase?....Things look better next week though with  what seems to be a
major
> cyclonic phase moving into south-eastern Australia,  with some reasonable
> chance of  snow later in the week across the Victorian High country and
> Tasmania,  might even get into the Blue Mountains,some good rain across
> Victoria too..... Regards Clyve Herbert.........I think Jimmy is the cow
> expert...
>
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frost in Katoomba
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> 
> On Thu, 31 May 2001, Tony Rance wrote: 
> > Very thick frost in our deep valley in North Katoomba this morning & didn't
> > start thawing until around 9 am in the shade!  
> > Why is it Katoomba's night temperatures are no where near as cold as
> > everywhere else & what about Goulburn's night temperatures????? -8???? >
> > 
> 
> Well folks ther have been an interesting set of replies to this one.
> 
> The comments on the differences between the local topographies around the
> Katoomba and Goulburn sites are valid, but do not provide the full answer, by
> a long way.
> 
> This morning, as usual, the minimum temperature at our home site (-6.7) was
> about a degree lower than that at the Bureau's site up the road at the
> Taralga PO (-5). The difference in topography is the reason.
> 
> Goulburn's minimum temperature is usually a couple of degrees higher than
> the Taralga PO site, simply because of the difference in altitude. The Taralga
> site is at 880 metres, the Goulburn site is around 670 metres, I think. The
> airport AWS a bit lower of course. It may be that the Goulburn AWS was in
> error for once, of course, because the other Goulburn site at -4 is more in
> line with that at Taralga PO.
> 
> If not, then those folks who have access to more detailed data might have a
> look at the differences in dew points etc and pressure gradients between say
> Goulburn and Charlottes Pass. There was only a degree difference between the
> minima. If the conditions were the same in both places I would have expected a
> -16 at Charlottes, simply because of the lapse rate with altitude. It seems to
> me that a really cold pool went past Goulburn this morning
> 
> And, as I have said on another occasion, on each of the last
> several nights under this present high, the Bureau's estimate of the o'night
> minimum in Canberra, Cooma, Orange has been way too high. 4-6 degrees
> difference is a big number. Please guys, don't lecture me again on the
> differences in topography - the minima given by the models ought to reflect
> the values measured at the Bureau's sites in the given locality. This is not a
> criticism, I would merely like to know why it is that the models have
> difficulty coping with still air, low humidity conditions.

We're looking at differences in scale here.

On scales of metres to a few kilometres, topography is critical, as
is local ground surface (for example, bitumen nearby favours high
minima, bare sand low minima). 

On larger scales (kilometres and tens of kilometres) other factors
become more important - such as cloud, wind, moisture levels and
the overall temperature in the air mass. This would go some way to
explaining the Charlottes Pass minimum above - I imagine there was
a little more wind or cloud than further north.

Small fluctuations in wind, which can explain differences in minimum
temperature BETWEEN sites, can also cause marked fluctuations at a
site, as any sort of wind will tend to break up the sharp near-ground
inversion that is characteristic of clear, calm nights (and which
is particularly pronounced over snow). It's not unknown for the
temperature at a site like Canberra to fluctuate 3-4 degrees from one
hour to the next during the night, as winds develop and then drop away
again (even 10 km/h can do this).

As for the forecasts, the models don't generate minimum temperatures
directly - they're based on a forecaster's interpretation of the
models. I'd noticed the recent overforecasting of the Canberra
minima too - and that the minima there in recent weeks have been,
in general, rather lower than what I would have expected myself for
the prevailing meteorological situation. I've seen this happen before
in prolonged dry periods (Canberra has only had 13mm in the last two
months), and expect that it is related to a lack of soil moisture and
consequent reduced moisture in the near-surface layer. Presumably 
this hasn't fed into the forecasting process yet - although the 
errors have been smaller in the last couple of nights.

I can't speak for Cooma and Orange, partly because I haven't been
following their forecasts as closely, and partly because I don't
know which site the forecasts are verified from (both centres have
a town and airport site, with significant systematic differences
between them).

Blair

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Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:26:33 +1000
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Thank you to all who replied to my frost question. I now understand the
cold air pooling that occurs in valleys & why I will see very heavy
frost in the valley below my house, but Katoomba's minimum temperature
for that night would be reported as 3 degrees!
I have created a web site with Katoomba's daily maximum & minimum
temperatures, rainfall & snow days for the year 2000 & 2001 so far.
There is also a page on record snow falls in the Blue Mountains that
Lindsay from Blackheath gave me last year. Please check out the web site

for me at:

http://www.geocities.com/katoombaweather/index.html




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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Sorry. I can't help laughing........
Is it one or two cows Clyve? If it's two then try this (Grin)
www.tucows.com
Had to put that in...........
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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Subject: aus-wx: Bovine Raingauge thief.


> Hi all.
> Apart from being embarrassed by the trail of cows that follow me up the
> Leopold hill when a photographic opportunity is in the wind, the big
buggers
> are now into pinching my raingauge off the rear fence post (my property
> backs onto farm).Its odd though as the culprit is an elderly cow with
warts
> all over its mouth , (I always seem to attract this sought!) she simply
> walks up to the raingauge, eyes it from one side,  puts her head under the
> fence and knocks it off the  holding bracket,once on the ground she noses
it
> off in the direction of the open paddock with me in pursuit.  I kid you
not.
> Apart from moving the gauge this is the best spot of open ground,any cow
> experts out there?.Any way I thought I would share my experience seeing
very
> little weather is happening and can this be logged up as a cow or gauge
> chase?....Things look better next week though with  what seems to be a
major
> cyclonic phase moving into south-eastern Australia,  with some reasonable
> chance of  snow later in the week across the Victorian High country and
> Tasmania,  might even get into the Blue Mountains,some good rain across
> Victoria too..... Regards Clyve Herbert.........I think Jimmy is the cow
> expert...
>
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Bovine Raingauge thief.
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You would need to take care that the rainfall is not being augmented by
extra-ordinary bovine precipitation.
As a nong-song goes, 'I have bought me a wife, I have married a cow'..sorry
that should be the other way around...


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> Sorry. I can't help laughing........
> Is it one or two cows Clyve? If it's two then try this (Grin)
> www.tucows.com
> Had to put that in...........
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:47 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Bovine Raingauge thief.
>
>
> > Hi all.
> > Apart from being embarrassed by the trail of cows that follow me up the
> > Leopold hill when a photographic opportunity is in the wind, the big
> buggers
> > are now into pinching my raingauge off the rear fence post (my property
> > backs onto farm).Its odd though as the culprit is an elderly cow with
> warts
> > all over its mouth , (I always seem to attract this sought!) she simply
> > walks up to the raingauge, eyes it from one side,  puts her head under
the
> > fence and knocks it off the  holding bracket,once on the ground she
noses
> it
> > off in the direction of the open paddock with me in pursuit.  I kid you
> not.
> > Apart from moving the gauge this is the best spot of open ground,any cow
> > experts out there?.Any way I thought I would share my experience seeing
> very
> > little weather is happening and can this be logged up as a cow or gauge
> > chase?....Things look better next week though with  what seems to be a
> major
> > cyclonic phase moving into south-eastern Australia,  with some
reasonable
> > chance of  snow later in the week across the Victorian High country and
> > Tasmania,  might even get into the Blue Mountains,some good rain across
> > Victoria too..... Regards Clyve Herbert.........I think Jimmy is the cow
> > expert...
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From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Very localised event in Sydney early this morningf with 97 mm at Little
Bay while less than 5 kms to the North there was only 3 mm The rain last
a while with 32 mm between 5 and 6 am, another 36 mm between 6 & 7 and
21 mm between 7 & 8 before easing off.
17 mm in 15 minutes fell in the royal Nat Park to the south in 15
minutes around 1.30 pm as well..... but virtually nothing anywhere else
in the state.
A look at the surface chart shows a high virtually on top of Sydney  but
as we know, that's only part of the story. 

Movement of upper high cloud over the continent continues. All the stuff
over the west 36 hours ago now over NSW then a big gap to another clump
around Broome and there's another mass about 750 kms WSW of Christmas
Island - one of these may eventually coincide with a front moving across
the SE stes to give the long needed rain in the inland.

don white

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hey people

I have just purchased an SLR and I am now looking for a scanner to go 
with it.

I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good one to buy. I dont 
want to spend too much, no more than $400. 

Should I go for one with one of those film scanner attachments, or will 
i get the results i'm after with just a normal flatbed??

My main purpose is to use the images on the web, so i'm guessing a 
super resolution is not a big concern, am i right??

feed back would be great

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hey nick,
i have a standard flatbed, model canoscan fb 620p.
i have done my entire album with this thing. its perfect for just scanning
them for the web. i don't know what a film scanner attachment is:(
it cost somewhere around $200. scanners these days would be even cheaper.
if you spend 400, you would have a scanner with numerous other functions
that i can't think of.
this thing just plugs into the printer port, then ya printer connects to
the back of the scanner. just means if ya want to print you have to have
your scanner turned on.
all scanners can do different resolutions, zoom in etc
a flatbed is fine



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>hey people
>
>I have just purchased an SLR and I am now looking for a scanner to go 
>with it.
>
>I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good one to buy. I dont 
>want to spend too much, no more than $400. 
>
>Should I go for one with one of those film scanner attachments, or will 
>i get the results i'm after with just a normal flatbed??
>
>My main purpose is to use the images on the web, so i'm guessing a 
>super resolution is not a big concern, am i right??
>
>feed back would be great
>
>Nick Sykes
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Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 08:25:11 +0800
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They call it "One country, Two systems" and there is still an 
international border just up the road from here which you need passports 
to cross and anything, including cars, bikes, petrol, whatever that 
crosses has to be imported/exported from one region to the other.
We have the red flag with the yellow stars replacing the Union Jack and 
our post boxes changed from red ones with "EIIR" to green ones 
with "Hongkong Post" (which you can't find) but not much else has changed.

Phil
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Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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> Hi Phil,
> 
> Funny, I thought HK was China now??
> 
> John
> <snip
> 
> Here in HK we have been paying HK$10.70 per litre for unleaded for 
> several years.
> Not sure of the exchange rate today but I think that's still over or 
> around AUD$2.00 per litre.
> People fit big tanks and drive to China (30Km from my home) to fill up
> at 
> half price, but the import/export hassles on cars are just not worth
> it.
> 
> Phil
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 31 May 01 21:42:33 +1000
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Hello Bussie!

31 May 01 18:50, you wrote to weather list:

 B> other day, and I stumbled upon a Trojan virus that my antivirus
 B> didn't detect.  It's called "SULFNBK", and it goes by a lot of

WARNING!!!

THIS IS A HOAX!!!  SULFNBK.EXE will exist on your system (unless you're running
Linux! :) ).  It is a standard part of Windows, and not a virus or trojan in
any way.

PLEASE IGNORE THESE WARNINGS!

go to http://vil.macafee.com (I think that's the url, but you can get to the
McAfee virus info library via www.nai.com), or Norton's site (via
www.symantec.com).

Sorry for the off topic post, but this hoax is out of control, had 3 at work
today, plus an officual hoax announcement from McAfee Dispatch (well worth
subscribing to! :) ).

Tony, VK3JED

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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: Forecasting School...
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Hey all,

Just doing some surfing and found this link off the Storm Track/SCH website
( http://www.stormtrack.org )

http://www.forecastschool.com/

Wonder if they would hold a class pre TDUO to get our skills ready.

PaulY

Paul Yole
Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA
Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA
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<x-flowed>
Hi Everyone,
Ah, it's a little late but here's my report from the 17th of jan. It's my 
first one so comments/nice criticism would be welcomed. Enjoy

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200101-07.htm


Dave Ellem
Storm Chaser From Wollongbar,
Northern Rivers,
NE NSW

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<x-flowed>
     Hi all in weather list land, and welcome to winter
         I was just wandering how badly people on this list find SDS to be, 
as no-one in the 'normal society' :) understands. Around this time of late 
autumn/late winter, is always a big struggle for me. I absolutely can't 
stand it. It feels kind of like being claustrophobic in a lift, only stuck 
in winter, no way (other than a ticket to Oklahoma, lucky bastards!), to 
escape.  Reading posts to this list and the aussie storm webpages I've found 
to be a good help.  I was watching the pretty sunset tonight going, yeah 
it's nice but phttt its 5pm and wheres the cumulonimbus on the ranges?. 
There are all these little things that trigger feelings, such as the smell 
of fireplaces, treading on heaps of duck shit going for a run, and all those 
posts from Lindsay (only joking Lindsay, i like your posts!), that are 
associated with winter.  I must say apart from ECL's and extremely cold 
outbreaks with an abundance of snow, i really hate winter.  So 3 months to 
go till spring, and with the thread of best storm locations being a good 
topic starter i though i'd try and start another one to get through winter, 
thus:
"Best location to see an oncoming supercell",
My unofficial top 5!
5: Mt Lofty overlooking Adelaide, with a sw'ly change aproaching. I've been 
up there 3 times but always in fine weather and with the whole city just 
down 'there' its a great spot

4: Standing on top of Ayers Rock. I was lucky enough to see an isolated 
storm from up there in '96 and it was an awesome sight, although i dont know 
of the chances of a supercell in that location.

3: The plains of Africa, with Mt Kilamanjaro in the background. O.K i'm a 
dreamer but i have thoughts of storms like this running through my head all 
the time !

2: In Oklahoma, the sun at your back, bright yellow corn feilds to your 
front, with a massive black tornadic system encroaching, with crisp, bright 
white outlines up high, boiling furiously, and lowerings+rotation galore.

1: The Spot, Glenorie. Am i being biased? Of course not!, absolutely the 
best place in the world to watch a storm from. :)

            Happy winter everyone, can't wait till spring!!,, Rune
































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<x-flowed>

Only problem with this site is if you get hit from the Western face, it can 
get very cold, I have been inside (yes inside) a thunderstorm while it 
passed overhead. Although this may sound great, it's not that good when 
there is lightning all around you and you don't know where it's going to 
hit. From a distance of say 20km a storm would look absolutely awesome, but 
you may find you won't be able to see the base of it, unless it's a fairly 
high based storm. Give it a go during one of our very rare thunderstorms 
one day, it gives you a new perspective to the storms. The city does get 
quite hazy down there too when there are storms about, so not good for 
getting pics of the city and storms together.

regards

Andrew


At 07:30 PM 6/2/01 +1000, you wrote:
>5: Mt Lofty overlooking Adelaide, with a sw'ly change aproaching. I've 
>been up there 3 times but always in fine weather and with the whole city 
>just down 'there' its a great spot

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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!
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After my stuff up "hoax virus" I thought this may be appropriate. Plus there
isn't too much happening weather wise. That I know of anyway :-))
Subject: New virus warning

If you receive an e-mail with a subject line of "Badtimes,"  delete it
immediately WITHOUT reading it.  This is the most dangerous E-mail virus
yet!!!!!!

* It will re-write your hard drive.  Not only that, but it will scramble any
disks that are even close to your computer.

* It will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice
cream melts and your milk curdles.

* It will demagnetise the strips on all your credit cards, reprogram your
ATM access code, screw up the tracking on your VCR and use subspace field
harmonics to scratch any CDs you try to play.

* It will give your ex-boy/girlfriend (ex-husband/wife) your new phone
number.

* It will mix antifreeze into your fish tank.

* It will drink all your beer and leave its dirty socks on the coffee table
when there's company coming over.

* It will hide your car keys when you are late for work and interfere with
your car radio so that you hear only static while stuck in traffic.

* Badtimes will give you nightmares about circus midgets.

* It will replace your shampoo with Nair and your Nair with Rogaine, all
while dating your current boy/girlfriend (husband/wife) behind your back and
billing their hotel rendezvous to your Visa card.

* It will seduce your grandmother.  It does not matter if she is dead, such
is the power of Badtimes.  It reaches out beyond the grave to sully those
things we hold most dear.

* Badtimes will give you Dutch Elm disease.  It will leave the toilet seat
up and leave the hairdryer plugged in dangerously close to a full bathtub.

* It will not only remove the forbidden tags from your mattresses and
pillows, it will refill your skim milk with whole.  It is insidious and
subtle.  It is dangerous and terrifying to behold.

* It is also a rather interesting shade of mauve.

These are just a few signs.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Hi Rune & all,

The autumn stratocu season (normally lasting between 3 days & 6 weeks)
in Melbourne is my SDS season & this usually ends the day of the first
cold outbreak on or after 15th May.  This year's has been very short as
we have had a lot of AcCas & Cj turkeys about & the most wonderful
pyrocumulus (I must get the film developed), making for 'spring' skies
rather than autumn skies. Today we had middle level showers from
glaciated altostratus/altocumulus . . . . nothing SDS'ish about that!!

I spend a lot of my time between storm seasons (ie: late autumn /
winter) reading & reading & reading so that I'm 'more ready' for the
next season & catching up on all of the webpages, meeting minutes etc
etc that I wanted to do during storm season & didn't have time for . . .
. . have also started setting the car up for the next season (am I
starting too early???) - PS: MT - buy a CB!!


<snip>> "Best location to see an oncoming supercell",
> My unofficial top 5!

5. Mt Dandenong (looking NW - S)
4. West of Werribee on the flat country just west of Melbourne (360 deg
views)
3. Mt Ridley (in far nothern suburbs of Melbourne looking W - S - E)
2. Yarrawonga - flattish country - 360 degree views & a decent road
network
1. One Tree Hill - Ararat in the west of Victoria (360 deg views)

Jane
--------------------------------
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ASWA - Victoria
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Hi Rune

Yeah SDS is hitting hard... Im keeping myself busy by looking at the US setup
every day. (Yes, before I look at the current oz situation ! :), reading chase
accounts, looking at photos of supercells in the states you saw the day before
on incredible close up visible satellite imagery that updates every 5 minutes,
and wondering what they looked like from ground level...then the SDS really sets
in.... If we *ever* get sat pics like that here either freely available or to
purchase from the BoM , it will be fantastic but I wont hold my breath waiting.
I think Australia needs to send up its own satellite :)

Top 6 - 6) The lookout at Bowral (shelter) 5) The lookout at Goulburn (shelter)
4) The lookout at Quirindi (shelter) 3) Rooty Hill (no shelter) 2) The lookout
at Gulgong  (no shelter) 1) The open plains 100-200km or so north and south of
Moree.

Matt Smith
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com

Rune Peitersen wrote:

>      Hi all in weather list land, and welcome to winter
>          I was just wandering how badly people on this list find SDS to be,
> as no-one in the 'normal society' :) understands. Around this time of late
> autumn/late winter, is always a big struggle for me. I absolutely can't
> stand it. It feels kind of like being claustrophobic in a lift, only stuck
> in winter, no way (other than a ticket to Oklahoma, lucky bastards!), to
> escape.  Reading posts to this list and the aussie storm webpages I've found
> to be a good help.  I was watching the pretty sunset tonight going, yeah
> it's nice but phttt its 5pm and wheres the cumulonimbus on the ranges?.
> There are all these little things that trigger feelings, such as the smell
> of fireplaces, treading on heaps of duck shit going for a run, and all those
> posts from Lindsay (only joking Lindsay, i like your posts!), that are
> associated with winter.  I must say apart from ECL's and extremely cold
> outbreaks with an abundance of snow, i really hate winter.  So 3 months to
> go till spring, and with the thread of best storm locations being a good
> topic starter i though i'd try and start another one to get through winter,
> thus:
> "Best location to see an oncoming supercell",
> My unofficial top 5!
> 5: Mt Lofty overlooking Adelaide, with a sw'ly change aproaching. I've been
> up there 3 times but always in fine weather and with the whole city just
> down 'there' its a great spot
>
> 4: Standing on top of Ayers Rock. I was lucky enough to see an isolated
> storm from up there in '96 and it was an awesome sight, although i dont know
> of the chances of a supercell in that location.
>
> 3: The plains of Africa, with Mt Kilamanjaro in the background. O.K i'm a
> dreamer but i have thoughts of storms like this running through my head all
> the time !
>
> 2: In Oklahoma, the sun at your back, bright yellow corn feilds to your
> front, with a massive black tornadic system encroaching, with crisp, bright
> white outlines up high, boiling furiously, and lowerings+rotation galore.
>
> 1: The Spot, Glenorie. Am i being biased? Of course not!, absolutely the
> best place in the world to watch a storm from. :)
>
>             Happy winter everyone, can't wait till spring!!,, Rune
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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: two questions
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 07:49:34 +1000
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Hi all,
      Peter Matters here. I also had this file which Norton AV did not pick
up. Many thx Bussie:-)
Cheers

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Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 18:51
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Subject: aus-wx: two questions


I have two questions. One isn't weather related but may help out some what.
I got sent the following and wonder if it's true or not.
Guess what?  I was going through all my Windows files the
other day, and I stumbled upon a Trojan virus that my antivirus
didn't detect.  It's called "SULFNBK", and it goes by a lot of
different names, but it's a very destructive "macro-virus" that
will damage or delete a lot of Windows files to the point that
you will have to reinstall Windows.

There is a much easier way to check your system to see if you
picked it up somewhere than the way I found it.

Do this:

1.  Click the "Start" button.

2.  Click on "Find"

3.  Type in:  sulfnbk

4.  Where it says "Look In", select:  C:\WINDOWS

5.  Click "Find Now"

6.  If it's there, delete it to the "Recycle Bin"

7.  Now, delete it from the "Recycle Bin"

8.  Restart your computer.
--------------------
Secondly. This may be an obvious one but why does the temp always drop
sharply just about sunrise? I thought that the approaching sun would make
the temp rise and not fall. I start work at sunrise and it always feels
colder than well before sunrise.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: SDS / top 5 lookouts
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 07:54:54 +1000
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Hi all,
       Mt Wombat 10 klms east of Euroa has 360 deg views and is the highest
point for miles. In fact it has an NRE fire spotting hut as well as
communication twrs.
Cheers Peter

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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
Sent: Saturday, 2 June 2001 22:39
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SDS / top 5 lookouts


Hi Rune & all,

The autumn stratocu season (normally lasting between 3 days & 6 weeks)
in Melbourne is my SDS season & this usually ends the day of the first
cold outbreak on or after 15th May.  This year's has been very short as
we have had a lot of AcCas & Cj turkeys about & the most wonderful
pyrocumulus (I must get the film developed), making for 'spring' skies
rather than autumn skies. Today we had middle level showers from
glaciated altostratus/altocumulus . . . . nothing SDS'ish about that!!

I spend a lot of my time between storm seasons (ie: late autumn /
winter) reading & reading & reading so that I'm 'more ready' for the
next season & catching up on all of the webpages, meeting minutes etc
etc that I wanted to do during storm season & didn't have time for . . .
. . have also started setting the car up for the next season (am I
starting too early???) - PS: MT - buy a CB!!


<snip>> "Best location to see an oncoming supercell",
> My unofficial top 5!

5. Mt Dandenong (looking NW - S)
4. West of Werribee on the flat country just west of Melbourne (360 deg
views)
3. Mt Ridley (in far nothern suburbs of Melbourne looking W - S - E)
2. Yarrawonga - flattish country - 360 degree views & a decent road
network
1. One Tree Hill - Ararat in the west of Victoria (360 deg views)

Jane
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: SDS
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:07:26 +1000
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G'day Rune,

I can take a joke :) I can imagine how it must bore some of you guys
sh..less, this winter thing. Not so exciting for me at the moment either, as
this developing system looks like dying and giving mostly rain. Then again,
it will be great for the farmers.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
Blackheath Weather:
 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:30 PM
Subject: aus-wx: SDS
SNIP...
> to be a good help.  I was watching the pretty sunset tonight going, yeah
> it's nice but phttt its 5pm and wheres the cumulonimbus on the ranges?.
> There are all these little things that trigger feelings, such as the smell
> of fireplaces, treading on heaps of duck shit going for a run, and all
those
> posts from Lindsay (only joking Lindsay, i like your posts!), that are
> associated with winter.  I must say apart from ECL's and extremely cold
> outbreaks with an abundance of snow, i really hate winter.  So 3 months to
> go till spring, and with the thread of best storm locations being a good
> topic starter i though i'd try and start another one to get through
winter,


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Subject: SULFNBK.EXE Warning: Re: aus-wx: two questions
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 11:03:47 +1000
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Here is Symantec's notes on the SULFNBK.EXE hoax
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/sulfnbk.exe.warning.html




----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Matters" <pkmatters at bigpond.com.au>
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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:49 AM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: two questions


> Hi all,
>       Peter Matters here. I also had this file which Norton AV did not
pick
> up. Many thx Bussie:-)
> Cheers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Bussie
> Sent: Thursday, 31 May 2001 18:51
> To: weather list
> Subject: aus-wx: two questions
>
>
> I have two questions. One isn't weather related but may help out some
what.
> I got sent the following and wonder if it's true or not.
> Guess what?  I was going through all my Windows files the
> other day, and I stumbled upon a Trojan virus that my antivirus
> didn't detect.  It's called "SULFNBK", and it goes by a lot of
> different names, but it's a very destructive "macro-virus" that
> will damage or delete a lot of Windows files to the point that
> you will have to reinstall Windows.
>
> There is a much easier way to check your system to see if you
> picked it up somewhere than the way I found it.
>
> Do this:
>
> 1.  Click the "Start" button.
>
> 2.  Click on "Find"
>
> 3.  Type in:  sulfnbk
>
> 4.  Where it says "Look In", select:  C:\WINDOWS
>
> 5.  Click "Find Now"
>
> 6.  If it's there, delete it to the "Recycle Bin"
>
> 7.  Now, delete it from the "Recycle Bin"
>
> 8.  Restart your computer.
> --------------------
> Secondly. This may be an obvious one but why does the temp always drop
> sharply just about sunrise? I thought that the approaching sun would make
> the temp rise and not fall. I start work at sunrise and it always feels
> colder than well before sunrise.
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The great 1951 cold outbreak in SA
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Hi all

Prepare yourself for winter by going to my new SA snow page at:

http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html

The lead story is a look at reports from 'The Advertiser' regarding the 2
[count em, 2] cold outbreaks of July 1951.  The second one, on the 20-21st
of July was truly extraordinary in many ways.  Anyway, there are MSL maps
to drool over and questions posed for commentary.

Maybe this will get the ball rolling with reports from the east regarding
this event.

Enjoy, and I'll appreciate your feedback.....

Phil


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From: "Barbara" <gallivant at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:27:11 +1000
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Well I mightn't know much about the weather, but I do know about these 2
products.  Not that I have used them both personally.  Not to worry, I don't
often get a chance to contribute something useful to the list .. <S>

Nair is a hair removal cream, whereas Rogaine is a cream that is used to
promote hair growth.  And I'm not even a yank ..  just a has been pharmacy
worker who hasn't been dispensed with yet.

Cheers,
Barbara

----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, 3 June 2001 9:45
Subject: Re: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!


> Dunno Les.  Never heard of either "Nair" or "Rogaine" here in Hong Kong.
> I presume they are brand names of something in the US so Yanks on the
> list might be able to help.
>
> Phil
> <><
> International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:31:56 +0100
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!
>
> > Whats Nair and Rogaine????
> >
> > Les
> > Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
> > UK Storm Chasers,
> > Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
> > www.uksevereweather.org.uk
> >
> > Wallsend StormCam:
> > www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: cold pool south of WA.
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:30:56 +1000
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Hi everybody.
A moderate strength cold pool is advancing north-eastward from well south of
WA,also some reasonable baroclinic areas over much of the western half of
Australia. Look for vorticity around the western Aus Bight over the next 12
to 24 hours.
regards Clyve Herbert.

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From: Andrew Wall <astroman at chariot.net.au>
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<x-flowed>

Hi phil,

Great article on the snow falls, although not a great fan of snow it's good 
to see you are keeping busy while the weather isn't :) I have added the 
link of your snow page to the article section on the SAStorms site.

By the way Phil, do you have the name of the guy who took the photograph of 
the Appila twister? I have looked high and low on my hard drive and cannot 
find the information.

Something else you may be interested in, I have requested information from 
the bureau of Met about the 22nd of Jan 1991 storms and also 8th of Dec, 
Snowtown supercell in 1999. I have also requested to get a copy of a 
tornado photograph that was taken on the 5th of May, THIS YEAR from south 
of Mt Gambier. Hopefully this information will fill the articles page a 
little more.

regards

Andrew


At 10:56 AM 6/3/01 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Prepare yourself for winter by going to my new SA snow page at:
>
>http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html
>
>The lead story is a look at reports from 'The Advertiser' regarding the 2
>[count em, 2] cold outbreaks of July 1951.  The second one, on the 20-21st
>of July was truly extraordinary in many ways.  Anyway, there are MSL maps
>to drool over and questions posed for commentary.
>
>Maybe this will get the ball rolling with reports from the east regarding
>this event.
>
>Enjoy, and I'll appreciate your feedback.....
>
>Phil
>
>
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:58:01 +1000
From: Matt Smith <tornado at bigpond.net.au>
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&nbsp;
<br>The next <b>NSW ASWA </b>meeting will be hold on Saturday June 16 2001.
<br><b>Venue</b>: The Weather Company, 7 West St North Sydney.
<br><b>Time:</b> 7pm
<br><b>Parking</b>: Free in the streets around TWC building.
<br>Press the Weather21 buzzer to be let in.
<p><b>On the Agenda :</b>
<br>- Membership cards
<br>- Storm News
<br>- AGM
<br>- ASWA Stickers
<br>- ASWA Hats
<p><b>*IMPORTANT* </b>Membership is now due for a few people. Those of
you who need to pay, please bring your membership
<br>money for this year.
<p><b>Feature Presentation.</b>
<br>Although very quiet on the weather front in Australia , Jimmy Deguara
and David Croan have been roaming the Great Plains
<br>of America, storm chasing for the past month, and Jimmy (possibly David
as well) will be presenting video and analysis of
<br>there their recent trip. We know they managed to catch tornadoes from
supercells in NW Texas on May 29, BUT they seem
<br>to have been extremely secretive about their experiences over there,
not letting anyone know what has been happening.
<br>Expect some incredible thunderstorm footage and photographs of tornadoes,
storm structure, hail smashing the front
<br>windscreen (ok maybe not this one but who know's!) Did Jimmy manage
to see his aim of giant hailstones ? Did they come
<br>across large enough hail drifts that David was able to build a "Jimmy
Hailman" ? We will find out on the night!!!
<p>Please bring a couple of dollars for Pizza as well. This will certainly
be one of the highlights of the year.
<p>Matthew Smith and Matthew Pearce
<br>NSW State Representatives of ASWA.
<br><A HREF="http://www.severeweather.asn.au">http://www.severeweather.asn.au</A></html>

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<x-flowed>
Great site Phil obviously quite a bit of effort there.  Living in the south 
eastern suburbs I wouldn't mind some snow:)  Very interesting system 
developing this week with some significant falls of rain possible.  Finally 
starting to see moisture being pumped in from the NW hopefully some more NW 
cloudbands this year than last year.  Also mentioned on the weather zone 
list was the fact that a period of cradling highs, cradling lows in the 
Bight and southeastern Australia hasn't been seen for quite some time at 
this time of year.  Hopefully this could see some very decent falls 
developing this winter with another possible similar system developing over 
next weekend or early next week, a bit far off yet I know.  Wouldn't mind 
seeing another 1992 year in terms of rain:)


>From: Andrew Wall <astroman at chariot.net.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The great 1951 cold outbreak in SA
>Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 13:23:09 +0930
>
>
>Hi phil,
>
>Great article on the snow falls, although not a great fan of snow it's good
>to see you are keeping busy while the weather isn't :) I have added the
>link of your snow page to the article section on the SAStorms site.
>
>By the way Phil, do you have the name of the guy who took the photograph of
>the Appila twister? I have looked high and low on my hard drive and cannot
>find the information.
>
>Something else you may be interested in, I have requested information from
>the bureau of Met about the 22nd of Jan 1991 storms and also 8th of Dec,
>Snowtown supercell in 1999. I have also requested to get a copy of a
>tornado photograph that was taken on the 5th of May, THIS YEAR from south
>of Mt Gambier. Hopefully this information will fill the articles page a
>little more.
>
>regards
>
>Andrew
>
>
>At 10:56 AM 6/3/01 +0930, you wrote:
>>Hi all
>>
>>Prepare yourself for winter by going to my new SA snow page at:
>>
>>http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html
>>
>>The lead story is a look at reports from 'The Advertiser' regarding the 2
>>[count em, 2] cold outbreaks of July 1951.  The second one, on the 20-21st
>>of July was truly extraordinary in many ways.  Anyway, there are MSL maps
>>to drool over and questions posed for commentary.
>>
>>Maybe this will get the ball rolling with reports from the east regarding
>>this event.
>>
>>Enjoy, and I'll appreciate your feedback.....
>>
>>Phil
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From: "The Weather Co." <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: US Storm Chase Update...
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:50:12 +1000
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Hi everyone,
                  I have received word that our intrepid storm chasers have
captured a couple of tornadoes in recent days while on the Oklahoma plains
(I only hope they can bring them home!).  No doubt we will hear more in days
to come..
Paul G.
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<x-flowed>
Hi every1,

I agree with Matt Smith...the only way I cope with winter (except for 
tornadoes in northern Victoria - but nowhere near here) is to virtual 
chase....

Log on early...check the US radar summary...then check the visible 
satpix...then find a city close by and get on a weathercam!!!

Lotsa fun if you've got the time...which I don't anymore...:((

Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!
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Sorry I didn't edit it. I don't know what they are anyway, but the overall
thing was amusing I thought :-)
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> Thanks, Phil.
>
> Les Lemon (ASWA - US) have you got any idea???
>
> SDS setting in here too (:
>
> Les
>
> Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
> UK Storm Chasers,
> Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
> www.uksevereweather.org.uk
>
> Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New virus warning!!!
>
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> > Dunno Les.  Never heard of either "Nair" or "Rogaine"
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From: dencot1 at aol.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 04:42:19 EDT
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Scanners for wx Photos
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The Canon d660u has a 35mm film attachment. I think I paid $280. last 
christmas for it . Its not pro quality but ok.I think the guy at the place 
where I bought it did show me so better ones for around $400.
regards 

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I think a scanner's most important feature/asset is its colour tolerence.
Most scanners have the same resolution, and some are sharper than others,
but it comes down to how well they handle colour, and this affects how well
they handle dark photos, light photos and over exposed shots.

Most scanners that are $200 are pretty good. $400 will buy you a great
scanner. You might be able to afford a negative tray too (for the purist at
heart).

dann
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> The Canon d660u has a 35mm film attachment. I think I paid $280. last
> christmas for it . Its not pro quality but ok.I think the guy at the place
> where I bought it did show me so better ones for around $400.
> regards
>
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Hey 

Thanks for the advice

I have been doing some research and at this stage I am thinking of 
getting the Epson Perfection 640U, it's about $250. it has had some 
great reviews on the net.

has anyone had experience with this scanner?

Nick

.................

> I think a scanner's most important featurMost scanners have the 
> same resolution, and some are sharper than others,
> but it comes down to how well they handle colour, and this affects 
> how well
> they handle dark photos, light photos and over exposed shots.
> 
> Most scanners that are $200 are pretty good. $400 will buy you a great
> scanner. You might be able to afford a negative tray too (for the 
> purist at
> heart).
> 
> dann
> 

...................
> 
> > The Canon d660u has a 35mm film attachment. I think I paid $280. 
> last> christmas for it . Its not pro quality but ok.I think the 
> guy at the place
> > where I bought it did show me so better ones for around $400.
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Hi all,

Jimmy had even sworn his mother to secrecy but it just made me more 
suspicious when she said that Jimmy hadn't even mentioned anything about 
storms when he called!! Jimmy not mention the weather/storms???

All who can make it should be at the Sydney meeting on 16th June when all 
will be revealed... that is the footage, photos, etc... not Jimmy and David!

Geoff Thurtell

At 05:50 PM 3/06/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>                   I have received word that our intrepid storm chasers have
>captured a couple of tornadoes in recent days while on the Oklahoma plains
>(I only hope they can bring them home!).  No doubt we will hear more in days
>to come..
>Paul G.
>____________________
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Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 20:53:02 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Great report.
I remember the 1951 cold outbreak very well indeed.
I was a kid living in Terang, Victoria.
The night before the great snowfall, my mother read me a book about 
the "Little Match Girl" who died in the snow, and we discussed how Norway 
was a land of ice and snow.
When it was time to say my prayers, I prayed that God would send us 
enough snow that Dad could build a snowman before he went to work in the 
morning.  My Mum got awfully flustered about the prayer trying to shut me 
up because "it only snows in Norway, not here in Australia".
Next morning, the whole town was covered in inches of snow and Dad made 
us a snowman before he went to work.
According to the Terang Express, this was the first time since white 
settlement that snow had ever been recorded there, and as far as I know 
it has never been recorded again since.
So now the question arises:  did the prayer of a little boy who didn't 
know any better cause the great cold outbreak of 1951?

Phil
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To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 10:56:43 +0930
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The great 1951 cold outbreak in SA

> Hi all
> 
> Prepare yourself for winter by going to my new SA snow page at:
> 
> http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html
> 
> The lead story is a look at reports from 'The Advertiser' regarding the
> 2
> [count em, 2] cold outbreaks of July 1951.  The second one, on the
> 20-21st
> of July was truly extraordinary in many ways.  Anyway, there are MSL
> maps
> to drool over and questions posed for commentary.
> 
> Maybe this will get the ball rolling with reports from the east
> regarding
> this event.
> 
> Enjoy, and I'll appreciate your feedback.....
> 
> Phil
> 
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Tony,

I spend quite a bit of time at Goulburn Airport. As others have
mentioned it is a very open, flat spot but also the AWS is right at the
bottom of a gradual sort of hole, so ofcourse the cold air pools there.
The place is also very well known for regular and long-lasting fog -
quite ironic for an airport.

You'll notice that Gouldburn AWS (Airport) temps constrast alot with
Goulburn (PO I think) temps despite the fact that as the 'cessna' flies
they're about 2 miles apart.

Goulburn AWS is always the first station to go negative of a night in
fine weather condidtions.

Andrew.


Tony Rance wrote:
> 
> Very thick frost in our deep valley in North Katoomba this morning & didn't start
> thawing until around 9 am in the shade!
> Why is it Katoomba's night temperatures are no where near as cold as everywhere else
> & what about Goulburn's night temperatures????? -8????
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Tony,
The Goulburn town site is in P{rogress St - about 3.5 kms from the
airport and higher than the Post Office.
Don W

Andrew Miskelly wrote:
> 
> Tony,
> 
> I spend quite a bit of time at Goulburn Airport. As others have
> mentioned it is a very open, flat spot but also the AWS is right at the
> bottom of a gradual sort of hole, so ofcourse the cold air pools there.
> The place is also very well known for regular and long-lasting fog -
> quite ironic for an airport.
> 
> You'll notice that Gouldburn AWS (Airport) temps constrast alot with
> Goulburn (PO I think) temps despite the fact that as the 'cessna' flies
> they're about 2 miles apart.
> 
> Goulburn AWS is always the first station to go negative of a night in
> fine weather condidtions.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> Tony Rance wrote:
> >
> > Very thick frost in our deep valley in North Katoomba this morning & didn't start
> > thawing until around 9 am in the shade!
> > Why is it Katoomba's night temperatures are no where near as cold as everywhere else
> > & what about Goulburn's night temperatures????? -8????
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Golly

That would make a beliver out of anybody!

Phil [the other]


>Great report.
>I remember the 1951 cold outbreak very well indeed.
>I was a kid living in Terang, Victoria.
>The night before the great snowfall, my mother read me a book about
>the "Little Match Girl" who died in the snow, and we discussed how Norway
>was a land of ice and snow.
>When it was time to say my prayers, I prayed that God would send us
>enough snow that Dad could build a snowman before he went to work in the
>morning.  My Mum got awfully flustered about the prayer trying to shut me
>up because "it only snows in Norway, not here in Australia".
>Next morning, the whole town was covered in inches of snow and Dad made
>us a snowman before he went to work.
>According to the Terang Express, this was the first time since white
>settlement that snow had ever been recorded there, and as far as I know
>it has never been recorded again since.
>So now the question arises:  did the prayer of a little boy who didn't
>know any better cause the great cold outbreak of 1951?
>
>Phil
><><
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>
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 10:56:43 +0930
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The great 1951 cold outbreak in SA
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Prepare yourself for winter by going to my new SA snow page at:
>>
>> http://www.cobweb.com.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html
>>
>> The lead story is a look at reports from 'The Advertiser' regarding the
>> 2
>> [count em, 2] cold outbreaks of July 1951.  The second one, on the
>> 20-21st
>> of July was truly extraordinary in many ways.  Anyway, there are MSL
>> maps
>> to drool over and questions posed for commentary.
>>
>> Maybe this will get the ball rolling with reports from the east
>> regarding
>> this event.
>>
>> Enjoy, and I'll appreciate your feedback.....
>>
>> Phil
>>
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Don wrote:

> Tony,
> The Goulburn town site is in P{rogress St - about 3.5 kms from the
> airport and higher than the Post Office.
> Don W

and Andrew wrote:
> > You'll notice that Gouldburn AWS (Airport) temps constrast alot with
> > Goulburn (PO I think) temps despite the fact that as the 'cessna' flies
> > they're about 2 miles apart.

The distance is actually 7.5km. The Progress Street site is on a ridgetop in
northeastern Goulburn, while the AWS is, as Andrew says, in a classic frost
hollow well south of the built-up area. The two sites almost seem chosen to
represent the two extremes that can occur due to topography on a cold night.
Bombala is similar, with the Post Office site just above the Bombala River
flats, and the AWS about 11km (I think) south of town on a substantial
mountain top.

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Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:39 +1000
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Hi Geoff.
Hope Jimmy will not wear out the tapes so I can get a look at the AGM in
August.Lets all here it for Jimmy and co Hip Hip Horay and so forth. regards
Clyve H
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> Hi all,
>
> Jimmy had even sworn his mother to secrecy but it just made me more
> suspicious when she said that Jimmy hadn't even mentioned anything about
> storms when he called!! Jimmy not mention the weather/storms???
>
> All who can make it should be at the Sydney meeting on 16th June when all
> will be revealed... that is the footage, photos, etc... not Jimmy and
David!
>
> Geoff Thurtell
>
> At 05:50 PM 3/06/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >                   I have received word that our intrepid storm chasers
have
> >captured a couple of tornadoes in recent days while on the Oklahoma
plains
> >(I only hope they can bring them home!).  No doubt we will hear more in
days
> >to come..
> >Paul G.
> >____________________
> >The Weather Company
> >Level 2, 7 West Street
> >North Sydney 2060
> >Phone: (02) 9955 7704
> >Fax: (02) 9955 1536
> >http://www.theweather.com.au
> >
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropo stuff.
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:59:49 +1000
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Hi tropo's.
Check out the massive area of cloud west of Papua NG,  lots of embedded
CBs,although very poorly organised this region of cloud developed at the
north end of a major long wave mid lat trough a few days ago and has been
drifting westward very slowly. The only sign of organised upper flow is in
the northward moving outflow anvils over the eastern side of the cloud
mass.This area  is worth watching to see if there is any interaction with
the approaching long wave trough now advancing/stalling over the western
half  of Australia. regards Clyve H..

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<x-flowed>
      Jimmy told me he bought 30 new pairs of underpants for the trip, he's 
such an optimist :)


>From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:39 +1000
>
>Hi Geoff.
>Hope Jimmy will not wear out the tapes so I can get a look at the AGM in
>August.Lets all here it for Jimmy and co Hip Hip Horay and so forth. 
>regards
>Clyve H

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From: "Matthew Piper" <mjpiper at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Scanners for wx Photos
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 19:35:33 +1000
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Hi Nick,

I have an EPSON GT-7000 USB scanner and have found it to be very good. I
also have a negative and slide film attachment for it so that I can scan
them.

Matthew Piper

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> Hey
>
> Thanks for the advice
>
> I have been doing some research and at this stage I am thinking of
> getting the Epson Perfection 640U, it's about $250. it has had some
> great reviews on the net.
>
> has anyone had experience with this scanner?
>
> Nick
>
> .................
>
> > I think a scanner's most important featurMost scanners have the
> > same resolution, and some are sharper than others,
> > but it comes down to how well they handle colour, and this affects
> > how well
> > they handle dark photos, light photos and over exposed shots.
> >
> > Most scanners that are $200 are pretty good. $400 will buy you a great
> > scanner. You might be able to afford a negative tray too (for the
> > purist at
> > heart).
> >
> > dann
> >
>
> ...................
> >
> > > The Canon d660u has a 35mm film attachment. I think I paid $280.
> > last> christmas for it . Its not pro quality but ok.I think the
> > guy at the place
> > > where I bought it did show me so better ones for around $400.
> > > regards
> > >
> > > dennis cottle
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: ASWA on the BoM site
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 22:32:12 +1000
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Pretty impressive when the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
finds itself listed on the BoM website in amongst sites such as
universities, CSIRO, met services in various countries, WMO!!!!

http://www.bom.gov.au/library/metinfoext.shtml

This in the first 2 years...and so much more besides - interviews on
radio & TV, articles & displays, joint presentations with other
organisations.......!  What will ASWA achieve in the next 2 years?

Jane

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Chris Daley" <jindivik at bigpond.com>
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I personally think we should concentrate our efforts on building a weather
controlling machine to get rid of SDS in Australia once and for all.

Imagine the publicity that would create.  "Lunatic weather watchers bring
tornado's and cricket ball hail to all capital cities in what is believed to
be an effort to bring Australia under their control."

Chris

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> Pretty impressive when the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> finds itself listed on the BoM website in amongst sites such as
> universities, CSIRO, met services in various countries, WMO!!!!
>
> http://www.bom.gov.au/library/metinfoext.shtml
>
> This in the first 2 years...and so much more besides - interviews on
> radio & TV, articles & displays, joint presentations with other
> organisations.......!  What will ASWA achieve in the next 2 years?
>
> Jane
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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>
>
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Subject: aus-wx: slow email sever RE: two questions
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I sent a reply at 3:27am and ive only just recieved 
it on my...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>does this mean everyone on the list has only just 
got it...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BTW it was -1.5 at the time of sending the 
email.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Now it is about 11 degrees at 5:00</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Frost in Katoomba
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Hi all..

In reply to Blair.
 i noticed the other night when i got home from work at 12:15am it was -1.9
and then when i went to bed at 4:00am it was 8.9degrees. i noticed the cloud
had rolled in and had the typical purple sheen to it that i see often in
canberra. Most probably from the city lights.

Simon Angell
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current temp is 8.5 degrees...

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I asked them to add a link last November and the librarian there was most 
obliging.

If you have other key sites to recommend, use this email address:
library at bom.gov.au

regards, Michael


At 22:32 04/06/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Pretty impressive when the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
>finds itself listed on the BoM website in amongst sites such as
>universities, CSIRO, met services in various countries, WMO!!!!
>
>http://www.bom.gov.au/library/metinfoext.shtml
>
>This in the first 2 years...and so much more besides - interviews on
>radio & TV, articles & displays, joint presentations with other
>organisations.......!  What will ASWA achieve in the next 2 years?
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Melbourne Storm Chasers
>http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
>ASWA - Victoria
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: SDS
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Must agree about Gulgong, if only they would build a shelter there. A nice
piece of lawn and a tree in the centre would not go astray.

What lookout do you refer to at Bowral ?  Is it Mt Gibraltar.

I think that Razorback lookout at Picton is very good too, except you can
see right up north along the Blue Mountains, into Putty Road territory, I
get wanderlust everytime a see a nice cell up there. But my enthusiasm is
tempered by the knowledge of a mongrel drive through Sydney's west.


> Top 6 - 6) The lookout at Bowral (shelter) 5) The lookout at Goulburn
(shelter)
> 4) The lookout at Quirindi (shelter) 3) Rooty Hill (no shelter) 2) The
lookout
> at Gulgong  (no shelter) 1) The open plains 100-200km or so north and
south of
> Moree.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: SDS / top 5 lookouts
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Not to mention a 5-6km hike to get to Pigeon House. You are 
right about the river valley, it is the only real flat land we have in the 
Illawarra - South Coast that affords that flat land perspective that makes 
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<DIV>Nowra Hill lookout. 30+ K in any direction, slightly less to the NNE, 
little bit longer elsewhere. Jervis Bay and ocean, Shoalhaven River valley, Mt 
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:13:11 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Okay, so I have read all about lots of great places, most of which I can 
remember visiting and being impressed with at one time or another, but 
can somebody please tell me what SDS stands for?

Phil
<><
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Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:20:45 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: SDS

> Must agree about Gulgong, if only they would build a shelter there. A
> nice
> piece of lawn and a tree in the centre would not go astray.
> 
> What lookout do you refer to at Bowral ?  Is it Mt Gibraltar.
> 
> I think that Razorback lookout at Picton is very good too, except you
> can
> see right up north along the Blue Mountains, into Putty Road territory,
> I
> get wanderlust everytime a see a nice cell up there. But my enthusiasm
> is
> tempered by the knowledge of a mongrel drive through Sydney's west.
> 
> 
> > Top 6 - 6) The lookout at Bowral (shelter) 5) The lookout at Goulburn
> (shelter)
> > 4) The lookout at Quirindi (shelter) 3) Rooty Hill (no shelter) 2)
> The
> lookout
> > at Gulgong  (no shelter) 1) The open plains 100-200km or so north and
> south of
> > Moree.
> >
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:31:07 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Simon, it arrived here in HK at 22:38 on 4/6/01 HKT (UTC +8:00).  I guess 
that means 00:38 on 5/6/01 in Eastern Australia.
This means it took 24 hours and 1 minute to get from your PC to my 
mailbox.
I think the problem lies with your ISP, as my posts always come back 
within 30 - 60 minutes.  Once in a while I see it only 2 or 3 minutes 
after posting, but that is rare. My mail server here only sends to and 
receives from the Internet once every 10 minutes  so that explains 
anything up to a 20 minute delay on seeing my own posts. Assuming the 
server at world.std.com has a similar setting, it would surprise me to 
see it become less than about 20 minutes.  I expect around 40 minutes to 
be the norm.

But where your post has been wandering for a whole day, I dunno!

Phil
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 00:38:05 +1000
Subject: aus-wx: test for my email server

> Hi all
> This is just a test...
> Over the last ferw days ive sent messages on Aussie WX and they havent
> gone through to you all and then been sent back to me... although the
> last one in the list is from me it was sent on 1/6/0...
>  TIME NOW 12:37am
>   DATE 4/6/01
> 
> TESTTESTTESTTESTESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTEST................................
> ............................... 
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Weather chat
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Can someone please tell me the website from which to download the program
that gets into the ASWA weather channel please..I lost it all in a recent
system crash and backup failure I had and can't recall the name...thanx

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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Balmy Weather continues for Central Tablelands
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Well, I'm sitting here in a short sleeved shirt as its 13 degrees! Quite
amazing for we folk in Blackheath. Maximums at my place so far for June are
9.5, 12, 13, 13 and even warmer at the Mt Boyce site. It usually gets warmer
there, than here, on sunny days. My temps compare well until mid-afternoon
on days like this, then the sun seems to push Mt Boyce AWS temps to 1 to 2
degrees above mine, as the site gets maximum afternoon sun. Curiously, on
overcast days, my site is almost always in agreeance with Mt Boyce.

Looks like it could get to 14C or more today. I have the back door open and
the sun is streaming in and it feels like March/April, not June. Even this
upcoming rain event looks mild and wet rather than cold or even cool.
Bummer. When will winter arrive?

Can't see anything drastic happening over the next week or two.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
Blackheath Weather:
 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>These are somewhat Sydney/NSW biased 
so...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1) UWS at Werrington is a truly great place to be. 
There is an elevated view to every direction plus fibre optic web access 
:D</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2) Rooty Hill--what can i say...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3) Singleton Hill lookout (don't know the 
name)--having been to this hill twice and both times seeing a supercell from it 
somewhat colours this lookout. Matt Smith and I were there a few years ago, when 
a supercell 'popped' out of the haze. It was quite extraordinary</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>4) Camden Valley Way Rd&nbsp; --Not only a great rd 
but dotted with great lookouts. You go from suburbia to country in a matter of 
minutes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>5) Lake George lookout--federal highway NSW--Having 
never used this as a storm lookout its a bit of a stetch putting this here but 
it is trully an amazing place. It looks out on Lake George a massive dry lake 
bed about 30 minutes from Canberra. I there just observing some dust whirls from 
some vigorus westerlies on a recent trip to ACT. IT would be&nbsp;a great spot 
to observe a storm floating east dropping ,CG's onto this massive plain. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
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