http://australiasevereweather.com/ From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon) Date: 01 Apr 01 01:23:30 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: [Fwd: [WX-CHASE] Northern Lights in Virginia!] Organization: Fidonet: Freeway Usenet <=> FTN gateway To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hello Sam! 31 Mar 01 04:06, you wrote to Weather Chase Canada: SB> This should be a spectacular display in Canada. For y'all down under, SB> follow the link listed below, then scroll down the page to the SB> Southern Hemisphere image. It appears that southern Australia and New SB> Zealand may be within view of the aurora too and it may actually be SB> overhead in Tasmania! The aurora was detected by radio in SE Australia late this afternoon (I missed out on the fun :( ), but I didn't see anything later in the evening, might have been a case of arrival at the wrong time of day. :-( Tony, VK3JED .. If Marriage is Outlawed, only Outlaws will have Inlaws! -- |Fidonet: Tony Langdon 3:633/284.18 |Internet: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au | | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:04:43 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Image of the front Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com For those of you who are wondering what a not particularly active front looks like, I've created a composite image from the CSIRO images of SA & Vic at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_04_01.htm Now I've worked out how to do this, images like this may appear when we have significant weather in our part of the world. Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:00:09 +1000 From: Jane ONeill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Aussie-wx Subject: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Afternoon all, What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about 300km. Thanks, Jane -------------------------------- Jane ONeill - Melbourne cadence at stormchasers.au.com Melbourne Storm Chasers http://www.stormchasers.au.com ASWA - Victoria http://www.severeweather.asn.au -------------------------------- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:01:56 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jane and all. A cold frontal system can be a very complex area of airmass interchange,with changes not only to the surface flow but to the mid and upper layers as well, sometimes the upper portions of cold fronts can be carried forward of the mid and lower segments of a cold front especially when the lower layers are being retarded either by friction or variability's in the progression of synoptic scale systems i.e.. Highs and Lows. Also there are other factors too and upper portions of cold fronts can be carried away by stronger upper winds,another factor in the development of pre frontal troughs is moving wave action developed by the cold front itself, i.e. At 300hpa or around that level the surface cold front can act as an interruption to the flow at high levels,(the upper levels are sometimes moving much faster.) this situation can then set up propagation of down wind waves with their attached moving troughs and ridges, under these generated waves and upper troughs certain types of weather can be generated, under upper troughs this can induce the development of thunderstorms in mid latitude and sub tropical locations (also upper troughs can also advect colder air forward of the surface front and destabilising the airmass below),such systems can be seen especially in the summer half of the year occurring well ahead of the surface cold front and sometimes the cold front can even dissipate but the upper trough can still be detected. regards Clyve Herbert..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane ONeill To: Aussie-wx Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: aus-wx: Pre frontal trough > Afternoon all, > > What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the > primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about > 300km. > > Thanks, > > Jane > -------------------------------- > Jane ONeill - Melbourne > cadence at stormchasers.au.com > > Melbourne Storm Chasers > http://www.stormchasers.au.com > > ASWA - Victoria > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > -------------------------------- > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: nzts.nz at pop3.caverock.net.nz (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 23:19:08 +1200 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: John Gaul Subject: aus-wx: Aurora Australis Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight local time) over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island. Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains" was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to be recorded on video here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia? JohnGaul NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Ben Quinn" To: Subject: aus-wx: Tully River Flood Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:47:35 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Does it ever stop raining up there? INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE TULLY RIVER Issued at 10:11pm on Sunday the 1st of April 2001 by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane. Heavy rain over the weekend has caused rises and minor flooding in the Tully River. The Tully River at Euramo was 7.05 metres at 9pm Sunday evening and rising slowly. The river level at Euramo is expected to peak at about 7.4 metres overnight which is 0.7 metres below the level of the approaches to the Bruce Highway Bridge. Further rainfall overnight may increase these levels. Highest rainfall totals since 9am Thursday include Bolinda Estate 284mm, Jarrah Creek 335mm and Tully 339mm. Elsewhere totals have been generally less than 100mm. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: mbath at pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:24:31 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Michael Bath Subject: aus-wx: Sydney severe storm warning Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, I'm surprised no Sydney people have mentioned this: TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1053 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001 This warning affects people in the Sydney Metropolitan area. This warning is current until midday. A thunderstorm is currently located near Bundeena in the Royal National Park [south of Sydney] and is forecast to move towards the north-northeast. While the centre of the storm is likely to lie out to sea, the western flank of the storm may pass across the Cronulla area and the Eastern Suburbs during the next hour. Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible. Radar shows plenty of cells in the red just along the coast tracking NNE Michael ============================================================= Michael Bath mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au McLeans Ridges http://australiasevereweather.com/ NE NSW Australia http://www.lightningphotography.com/ ASWA Secretary http://www.severeweather.asn.au/ ============================================================= +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.224.2] From: "James Harris" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 11:49:01 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 01:49:02.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[1798B6A0:01C0BB17] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hey Im going to go to meetings more oftne if it produces the results I got when walking out of there ! Sydney - 11:20am and cells line up to the South with Radar showing some impressive Red on some of them as they head up along the Illawarra Coast ! Whether they will hit here Im not too sure but the BOM seem to think so looking at the STW they have issued. NIce to see that they have explained the reasons for their STW as well advising that even though the main cell is out to sea , the flanking line may produce damaging winds, hail, etc !! Lookins from my office I can see a big TCU has shot up over Camden and radar seems to be picking this up also ! SE'r has come through already also so this has come as a bit of a shock as Im sure mnost sydney Siders wil tell you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator Hopefully more reports to come . Dann is in the city atm and is seeing some very dark areas through the buildings to the south ! Here's hoping ! James H _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:30:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Avo To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Storm...? X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 137.111.13.32 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hmmm, Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and see what the pilots say. Awe hell, the sun just came out! Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.3.1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:44:28 +1000 From: "Craig Geddes" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Storm...? X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by europe.std.com id WAA13673 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com All quiet here at Terrey Hills ..been and gone 0.2mm rain regards ****************************************** Craig Geddes Superintendent Warringah Pittwater District NSW Rural Fire Service Thompson Drive, Terrey Hills, N.S.W. Australia, 2084 Phone 9450 3000 Fax 9450 1028 Mobile 0417 265 173 Email Address : craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au >>> stormchaser_1 at excite.com 02/04/2001 12:30:27 >>> Hmmm, Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and see what the pilots say. Awe hell, the sun just came out! Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:11:32 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/04/2001 01:11:31 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney.. Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with roofs and trees blown down.. Getting more reports soon.. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:16:32 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: severe sydney storms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ok I just got back from Maroubra (a few beaches down from Bondi) and WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW. Brief summary : Large lowering and funnel cloud along the coastline between Maroubra and La Parouse (sp) (awesome) 2.5cm hail driven by 50 knot winds, will check for dents shortly a CG hit behind me, likely a powerpole, within 15 metres. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Dean McWhinney" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:42:06 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com yep i heard the same one on mine i had small hail heavy rain only for a short time in petersham FOR ONCE WE GET IT NOT THE WEST HORAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Sydney > Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney.. > > Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there. Coogee also hit bad with > roofs and trees blown down.. > > Getting more reports soon.. > > Dave > > > > > ############################################################################ ######### > This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the > sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are > not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. > ############################################################################ ######### > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney BoM... On the latest STW: MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. On the STA: MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau and SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do develop. Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. Malcolm Ninnes Unix Systems Admin National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd Ph. (02) 9722-1862 ninnesm at franklins.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: Blair Trewin Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour? To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:52:44 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Hi Laurier.and all. > This is not the first time I have seen this type of rain generating system > across central Victoria,I believe in 1977 a similar situation produced 177mm > in the Laverton area (92mm this time).A feature of this type of rain event > is a rather narrow and vigorous rain band moving from a southwest,south, or > southeast direction,its interesting to note that often the warmer air is on > the west side (at the surface at least). I personally call this situation a > "wrap around", some work has been done on this type of phenomena in the > British Isles , I think they call the synoptic situation a "bent back > occlusion" and this type of situation has produced narrow bands of heavy > rain there(and localised heavy snow also).From my obs the situation is > rather complex, the wrap around can be traced to an infeed band usually > moving from the north or northeast to the east of the low and then > converging into the low ,but sometimes the band wraps around the apparent > low centre with multible spiralls often in the mature stage (an occluded > low). This region has a very interesting set-up with colder air on the east > side and warmer air to the west also there appears to be a narrow warm > conveyer belt in the middle layers and generally all very moist,the region > appears to develop into a strong convergence zone with most of the > precipitation developing in the lower and mid levels with what appears to > be copious amounts of "warm rain",the type of rain is often of the small to > medium size (this may account for the lack of electrical activity) but I > also encountered short spells of very heavy and large drops from what are > possibly deeper and perhaps glaciated larger embedded cumuliform > developments.The structure of this Melbourne rain band showed 20 to 30 knot > south to south-westerly winds on the west side of the rain band and only > light north to northeasterlie on the east side,it was markedly warmer on the > west side at the surface .Also there is possibly good upper surport along > the convergence line with relitivly strong upper winds of a southerly > componant.regards Clyve Herbert.--- Original Message ----- I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar). Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north- east as Yan Yean). Blair +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: NSW - STA. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:25:35 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 02/04/2001 03:25:33 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW16N02 TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 1426 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001 This advice affects people in the following weather districts: Central Tablelands Hunter Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of these may be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall. ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.50.30.3] From: "Rune Peitersen" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 06:14:26.0638 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B5DE6E0:01C0BB3C] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Gday all, It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune >From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 > >I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney >BoM... > >On the latest STW: >MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued >unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in >force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. > >On the STA: >MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau >and >SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There >are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed >Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do >develop. > > >Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making >up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. > > >Malcolm Ninnes >Unix Systems Admin >National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd >Ph. (02) 9722-1862 >ninnesm at franklins.com.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: jacob at mail.iinet.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:48:36 +0800 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jacob Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com IDW24400 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. PRIORITY TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2 Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical cyclone. At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies. Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST. Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East. Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. Central Pressure : 995 hPa. Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre. Severity category : 1. The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST. This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 Jacob +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:56:53 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jacob Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms > > IDW24400 > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > > PRIORITY > > TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2 > Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 > BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > > A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical > cyclone. > > At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east > of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. > > Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on > Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies. > > Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East. > Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > > The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST. > This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 > > Jacob > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:42:30 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. Edge city yet again. Michael > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > Hopefully more reports to come . > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:00:01 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin/Clyve/all Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you tried to describe. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples, so apologies if I misinterpret your question. > When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main tornado? My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction vortices are the same thing. The 'internal' vortices are such that they are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them from view. Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so make them appear to be external. In my web searches I came across the following website: http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin tornadoes: http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example. But in this case, apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes. Perhaps things may(?) be clearer once you read the answer to your second question. > (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices > considered one tornado or separate? I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a tornado by its parent circulation. So if you see vortices orbiting around a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado. However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they would be classified as distinct tornadoes. On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote: > i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above > the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to > the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction > spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional > speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis > that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage > than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation. All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of the tornado. As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would result in increased wind speeds. With instabilities forming on this annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other speed. Add all these velocity components together (speed due to concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities + tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds. Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain. One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and what I think. So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been said here. Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p67-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.67] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:43:54 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little lip prints. Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. There are teachers and then there are teachers. ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Carolyn" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:10:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Jimmy, I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a teacher/educator, it is very good. Carolyn > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a > unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would > put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little > lip prints. > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called all > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. She > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to > clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. > There are teachers and then there are teachers. > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp1.ihug.com.au: Host p67-tnt4.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.134.67] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 22:32:42 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Weather unrelated Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Well I am just that.. A teacher.. well I attend classes anyway. Jimmy Deguara At 10:10 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Jimmy, >I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server. I agree as a >teacher/educator, it is very good. > >Carolyn > > > > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a > > unique problem. A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and >would > > put it on in the bathroom. That was fine, but after they put on their > > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of >little > > lip prints. > > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done. She called >all > > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man. >She > > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the > > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night. To demonstrate how > > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to > > clean one of the mirrors. He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it > > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror. > > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror. > > There are teachers and then there are teachers. > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media From: Mark Hardy To: , wz list Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting worked up about it. Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back together in Maroubra. The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between the Bureau and the media/public. Mark > From: "Rune Peitersen" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media > > Gday all, > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune > >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 >> >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney >> BoM... >> >> On the latest STW: >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. >> >> On the STA: >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau >> and >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do >> develop. >> >> >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. >> >> >> Malcolm Ninnes >> Unix Systems Admin >> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd >> Ph. (02) 9722-1862 >> ninnesm at franklins.com.au >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your >> message. >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:54:35 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Jacob and All. Does any body have BoM TC Advices #1 and #3 for TC Walter? If so, please email them to me at carls at ace-net.com.au. TCA#5 is pasted below. Regards, Carl. >IDW24400 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > >PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5 >Issued at 9:55 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001 >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > >At 9 pm WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres >northeast >of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour. > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area >overnight, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9 pm WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 9.8 South Longitude 106.3 East. > Recent movement : West at 15 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > >The next advice will be issued at 1:00am WST Tuesday. >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:44:28 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >Jacob > >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. > >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. > >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. > >Regards >Simon Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment. TCA#6 for Walter pasted below. Regards, Carl. >IDW24400 >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > >PRIORITY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6 >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001 >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14 >kilometres per >hour. > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST. > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East. > Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour. > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > Severity category : 1. > >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday. >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the > people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau > should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as > well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly > meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between > the Bureau and the media/public. This is not all that true... The media [1] reports what will sell copies, in the way to best exploit that event. People don't want information, they want exciting information, and this is what they get when the media takes a storm and turns it into "Freak Storm Hits Beach, Residents Saw Tornado". The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual information to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general population. My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population. Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information they require, and the media and general population would get the weather delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted. Pauly (kinda part of that media, but trying hard not to be) [1] General media, the sort that you see on TV and most newspapers -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Nothing Communications & Design paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [210.8.232.5] From: "Patrick Tobin" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour? Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:41:24 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2001 23:41:24.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DB8D260:01C0BBCE] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Ah...memories... I don't recall the synoptic situation too well (these were the pre-internet days where, if you missed the TV weather, you had to wait for the newspaper to get a 24 out of date SLP and satellite image.) I missed the TV weather that night... I was a student at Monash Uni and was returning to Ballarat for Easter. I left Monash at around 3pm after drinking lots of coffee and frantically finishing some assignments. I wasn't too aware of the rain until I got onto the Tullamarine (now Calder?) Fwy and there I stayed for the next four hours in traffic that was brought to a standstill. My most vivid memory was feeling my bladder fill past bursting point - but being surrounded by stationary cars full of people, torrential rain and more rain and water and running water and water everywhere and even more water.....and my over-full bladder.... agonising as it was, there was not much I could do to relieve the situation... (I think after about 3 hours and increasingly desparate and fuzzy headed, I found a plastic bag..but not a very big one!!) After hours of continuing agony and centimeter by painfull centimeter, I finally got to Keilor where the freeway was completely closed by flooding and we were sent back to Melbourne. :-( At least the traffic was moving in this direction (must have averaged an impressive 5-10 kmh)and I managed to get off the freeway and find a public convenience for a couple of very relieving minutes... I finally got to Ballarat at 1.00am - a ten hour trip normally done in just under two. Also noticed how comparatively dry everything was once I got past the Melton/Bacchus Marsh area. It was certainly a weather induced experience that has long remained ethched in my memory - and other anatomical regions!! Patrick >From: Blair Trewin [snip..] > >I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic >situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of >a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently >high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar). > >Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for >such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it >happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for >another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help >either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona >area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain >was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at >Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north- >east as Yan Yean). > >Blair _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:53:11 +1000 Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media From: Mark Hardy To: Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > From: "Paul Mirtschin" > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000 > To: > Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media > > The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual > information > to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general > population. > > My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a > separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci > information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population. > > Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information > they require, and the media and general population would get the weather > delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "McDonald" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:12:32 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Move :-) Macca ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Thompson To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. > > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. > > Edge city yet again. > > Michael > > > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > > Hopefully more reports to come . > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 14:01:26 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this could work as damage control in these instances. Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I play journalist again... -------------------------------------- Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 Nothing Communications & Design paul at nothingdesign.com.au www.nothingdesign.com.au Everybody is somebody else's freak +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:54:35 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here yesterday. http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel cloud. Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with dark colours. Matthew Smith http://www.sydneystormchasers.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:05 +1000 From: Anthony Cornelius X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Fantastic report and photos! Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the photos! AC Matt Smith wrote: > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > yesterday. > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > cloud. > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > dark colours. > > Matthew Smith > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- Anthony Cornelius Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) (07) 3390 4812 http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p58-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.122] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:47:57 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Mark and all, Mark, I agree with you on that point. As I have said some time before, we don't have to get work up about the words mini-tornado and so on. We know what we are talking about and that's what matters. We hear this argument every time it happens. It begins to get monotonous. Cheers Jimmy Deguara At 06:19 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological >perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is >perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most >likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to >have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. > >In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from >many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the >public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting >worked up about it. > >Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in >Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back >together in Maroubra. > >The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the >people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau >should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as >well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly >meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between >the Bureau and the media/public. > >Mark > > > From: "Rune Peitersen" > > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000 > > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media > > > > Gday all, > > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they > > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn > > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy > > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral. > > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations > > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado, > > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in > NSW, and > > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including > Wentworthville > > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, > (possible > > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune > > > >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au > >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media > >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000 > >> > >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney > >> BoM... > >> > >> On the latest STW: > >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued > >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in > >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. > >> > >> On the STA: > >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau > >> and > >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There > >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed > >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do > >> develop. > >> > >> > >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like > making > >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts. > >> > >> > >> Malcolm Ninnes > >> Unix Systems Admin > >> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd > >> Ph. (02) 9722-1862 > >> ninnesm at franklins.com.au > >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >> To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > >> with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > >> message. > >> -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:15:26 +1000 From: Don White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, Mark, Jimmy - others ... The expression "dumbing down" is not really appropriate. It is rather arrogant to assume that an explanation is more usable and understood language is dumbing down. Economics is something that always fascinated me but something I never really understood. I find the layman's explanations of someone like the Sydney Morning Herald's Ross Gittings bot useful informatative and interesting. Maybe he thinks there is dumbing down in his explanations - that only one of his I didn't like was "Why did God invent weather forecasters?" The answer "To make economists look good". These days it should be the other way around. Why anybody reading the morning papaers would want an explanation of what happened in yesterday's storm is beyond me... the effects are the news. Enough from me. Cheers, Don White Paul Mirtschin wrote: > > > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > > Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format > that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" > that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that > they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau > gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this > could work as damage control in these instances. > > Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I > play journalist again... > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Nothing Communications & Design > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Simon Clarke" To: Subject: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:51:50 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Carl Thanks for that. I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially. My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is already a TC according to JTWC. Regards Simon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 3:44 AM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms > Hi Simon and All. > > >Jacob > > > >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation. > > > >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still > >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter. > > > >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have > >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days. > > > >Regards > >Simon > > > Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they > could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for > a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath > waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E > being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks > to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area > which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also > have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment. > > TCA#6 for Walter pasted below. > > Regards, > Carl. > > >IDW24400 > >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE > > > >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning. > > > >PRIORITY > > > >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6 > >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001 > >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY > >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH > > > >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone. > > > >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres > >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14 > >kilometres per > >hour. > > > >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early > >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island. > > > >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST. > > > > Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of > > Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East. > > Recent movement : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour. > > Central Pressure : 995 hPa. > > Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre. > > Severity category : 1. > > > >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday. > >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210 > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Storms - Orange area. To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:21:14 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 03/04/2001 06:21:08 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 6.15pm 03/4 Currently severe storms in Orange, Springhill, Molong, Springside, Forest Reefs, Canowindra, Walli, Millthorpe, Woodstock, Coonabarabran,.. Power reported off in most of these areas.. Dave Bathurst ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: "Maillist Weather doods" Subject: aus-wx: NSW Thunderstorm Potential Tomorrow... Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:39:57 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi all, Given that there are some active thunderstorms tonight around the Central West of NSW (which is an indication of the unstable air aloft), I am thinking that maybe tomorrow may see more isolated storms (even severe) as the Mesolaps model shows a trough by tomorrow night extending from around Sydney to the north of the state...The waters offshore are still very warm as winds tend northeasterly there should be a favourable fuel source. There is no mention on the official BoM forecast as such. Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: new-smtp2.ihug.com.au: Host p58-max31.syd.ihug.com.au [203.173.150.122] claimed to be storm.ihug.com.au X-Sender: jdeguara at pop.ihug.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:31:27 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Jimmy Deguara Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I agree Anthony, I certainly am interested in the photo http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm Seems to be reminiscent to http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no doubts the others were funnel(s). Great stuff Matt. Jimmy Deguara At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: >Fantastic report and photos! > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the >photos! > >AC > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > yesterday. > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > cloud. > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > dark colours. > > > > Matthew Smith > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > >-- >Anthony Cornelius >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) >(07) 3390 4812 >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Jimmy Deguara Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher from Schofields, Sydney NSW Australia e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au Web Page with Michael Bath Australian Severe Weather Home Page http://www.australiasevereweather.com President of the Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.206] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:25:23 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 09:25:23.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[028CA140:01C0BC20] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Robert, I take your other points on board but the quote below "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would result in increased wind speeds..." seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it wasn't...billions of apologies!!!) If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly rare) contra-rotating vortices form... BTW...the twin vortices on the Palm Sunday outbreak site ring a bell but I also recall a triplet photo from somewhere and the inner vortices I was talking about may be best called mini-swirls (from some work done on TCs...) Don't know if I've made my query easier or more obscure...:(( Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: bayns at mail.broad.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:49:07 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: steve baynham Subject: aus-wx: Aurora Australis Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com hi john, all i am in queensland so i got no hope:( i love the aurora, though i've never seen it. i thought we might have had a reply from someone in the south. have you photographed any from where you are?? steve The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight local time) over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island. Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains" was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to be recorded on video here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia? JohnGaul NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Steve Baynham http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany Australian Severe Weather Association http://www.severeweather.asn.au Brisbane Storm Chasers http://www.bsch.simplenet.com +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "The Weather Co." To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Maroubra Storm... Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:56:21 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar... Paul G. ____________________ The Weather Company Level 2, 7 West Street North Sydney 2060 Phone: (02) 9955 7704 Fax: (02) 9955 1536 http://www.theweather.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Deguara To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. > I agree Anthony, > > I certainly am interested in the photo > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm > > Seems to be reminiscent to > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg > > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no > doubts the others were funnel(s). > > Great stuff Matt. > > Jimmy Deguara > > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > >Fantastic report and photos! > > > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the > >photos! > > > >AC > > > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > > yesterday. > > > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > > cloud. > > > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast). > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > > dark colours. > > > > > > Matthew Smith > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > >-- > >Anthony Cornelius > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > >(07) 3390 4812 > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > ----------------------------------------- > Jimmy Deguara > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > from > Schofields, Sydney > NSW Australia > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: aus-wx: OFF TOPIC : warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:14:38 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com > was > "Why did God invent weather forecasters?" > > The answer "To make economists look good". > I think the fortunes of the Australian dollar over the years proves economists are pretty clueless. Over the years these are actual comments that I have heard. " The Australian Dollar rode down against the pound on the back of the green back " - must have jumped off that green back at some stage. " The Australian Dollar is weak because Australia is seen as a commodity country and commodity prices are weak" - well commodity prices have increased - Gold, oil, even coal. " The Australia Dollar is weak as interest are low making it an unattractive investment " - why wasn't the Aussi worth a squillion back in the 18% interest days then. " The Australia Dollars is pegged to the fortunes of the Euro " - only when the Euro is falling it seems. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Michael Thompson" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:16:03 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Believe me if I could I would !! Still dry by the way. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "McDonald" To: Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2001 13:12 Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > Move :-) > > Macca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Thompson > To: > Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise ! > > > > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the > SE > > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there. > > > > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it > > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain. > > > > Edge city yet again. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator > > > Hopefully more reports to come . > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Originating-IP: [203.171.104.206] From: "Kevin Phyland" To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: Archive update... Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 20:37:56 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2001 10:37:56.0996 (UTC) FILETIME=[257CD440:01C0BC2A] Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi every1, I've just posted the March 2001 data that I've archived... http://wycheproof.www3.50megs.com/ Cheers, Kevin from Wycheproof. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "clyve herbert" To: Subject: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:57:23 +1000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Matt. Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve Herbert. ASWA Victoria. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Authentication-Warning: zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au: robert owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 21:20:23 +1000 (EST) From: Robert Goler X-Sender: robert at zeppo.maths.monash.edu.au To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Suction vortices/spots Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Kevin Thanks for the reply. This may start to get messy, so let's see how this goes. On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Kevin Phyland wrote: > [Comment by me] > "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets > concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would > result in increased wind speeds..." > > seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity > increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am > reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating > TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the > archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it > wasn't...billions of apologies!!!) > Keep in mind here that I haven't mentioned anything about the formation of the _entire_ tornado complex, but merely the smaller scale suction vortices. _These_ I feel are governed by vorticity concentration. However, if this is not the case, then I'm happy to hear other explanations. I haven't disputed the fact that the entire tornado circulation is initiated at cloud level. Perhaps see below for a clarification. > If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado > speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly > rare) contra-rotating vortices form... I must admit that my comment about the concentration of vorticity leading to an increase in wind speed wasn't as specific as I should have made it, so apologies there. The vorticity concentration leads to increased windspeeds at _localised_ regions around with updraft/downdraft boundary, and not _throughout_ the entire tornado circulation. The above comment "" may have implied the windspeeds increase throughout the tornado, and thus imply that the tornado as a whole intensifies through this process. In reality, this annulus isn't going to be perfectly round owing to the presence of barotropic instabilities which occur on this surface. Consequently, at these localised regions within this "annulus" vorticity will be concentrated more, and so in these regions, winds will be more intense and these regions are the suctions spots. [I hope I'm clearer here :-P] So, the key thing here is that this vorticity concentration occurs on a smaller scale to the tornado, resulting in localised pockets of higher velocity. One question that could be asked is how do these barotropic instabilities arise on this annulus of higher vorticity? At the moment I have an idea, but I need to read some more. [Perhaps best if no one asks :-)] Just reading back through my first email on this topic, I think I may see where you're coming from in your first comment. I was sort of thrown off by the inclusion of the quoted sentence, and so I thought your query was relating to that. In my first email when I mentioned the movement of a parcel of air towards/away from the axis of rotation based on angular momentum conservation, I assumed the tornado was already in full swing. I wasn't trying to say that the tornado builds from the ground up through conservation of angular momentum. I was merely formulating an explanation of how the hourglass shape of the wind field comes about through the conservation of angular momentum law. So apologies if this was a little unclear. I think I've bored/confused people enough. But once again, if anyone has their own thoughts/queries, just let fly! Cheers -- Robert A. Goler E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/ Department of Mathematics and Statistics Monash University Clayton, Vic 3800 Australia -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Avo To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: aus-wx: The Maroubra Incident! or "The suck zone"....... X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 203.27.69.92 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Noting the history of waterspouts just off land around Bondi, would I be incorrect in assuming one of these beasts actually hit land Monday morning? Just checking the lightning data off Weatherzone and central NSW is alive people. Actually, I am getting quite a bit of static on my scanner whilst "trying" to get the BBC world service. Maybe longwire antenna on a kite would be better.. :-) Hmmmmmmm. Time to walk outside and see if my fur starts to rise (same thing happens when you happen to accidentally touch the still attached earthing cap of a not so discharged monitor tube...... OUCH!) As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree (we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV) but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting......... Avo Ohanian IT Support Macquarie University _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 22:38:38 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Maroubra Storm... Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Paul, I'm not sure if their way of reporting it was a misguided interpretation of something that was noted in one of the warnings (not advices) issued by the BoM yeterday. In one of their updates they mentioned that most of the action (in a particular cell) had moved out to see, but coastal areas could still be affected by the 'western flank' of the storm. Just guessing... Andrew. "The Weather Co." wrote: > > I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau > suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored > the tail end of it. If true, it would suggest that they had additional > information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar... > Paul G. > ____________________ > The Weather Company > Level 2, 7 West Street > North Sydney 2060 > Phone: (02) 9955 7704 > Fax: (02) 9955 1536 > http://www.theweather.com.au > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jimmy Deguara > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM > Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday. > > > I agree Anthony, > > > > I certainly am interested in the photo > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm > > > > Seems to be reminiscent to > > > > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg > > > > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no > > doubts the others were funnel(s). > > > > Great stuff Matt. > > > > Jimmy Deguara > > > > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote: > > >Fantastic report and photos! > > > > > >Well done! Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the > > >photos! > > > > > >AC > > > > > >Matt Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here > > > > yesterday. > > > > > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm > > > > > > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel > > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was > > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I > did > > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the > coast). > > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on > radar > > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with > > > > dark colours. > > > > > > > > Matthew Smith > > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > > message. > > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > > >-- > > >Anthony Cornelius > > >Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the > > >Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA) > > >(07) 3390 4812 > > >http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail > to:majordomo at world.std.com > > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of > your > > > message. > > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Jimmy Deguara > > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher > > > > from > > Schofields, Sydney > > NSW Australia > > > > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au > > > > Web Page with Michael Bath > > > > Australian Severe Weather Home Page > > http://www.australiasevereweather.com > > > > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > > message. > > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ -- With regard to (and in protest of) the new laws involving forwarding of messages, this email MAY be forwarded. Andrew Miskelly amiskelly at ozemail.com.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 00:02:51 +1000 From: Matt Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people. Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off. We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing what you can see :) With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time... Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station.... The sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of the funnel) Didnt think of it until later that night though :( You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :) Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly expect more action. Matt Smith clyve herbert wrote: > Hi Matt. > Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and Sydney > should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve > Herbert. ASWA Victoria. > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: "Lyle Pakula" To: Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:11:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi, There is a bright side to all this, the more misinformed hysteria the better for us researchers! Public wants answers = more funding. Cheers, Lyle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mirtschin" To: Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:01 PM Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media > > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys > > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging > > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have > > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid. > > Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format > that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report" > that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that > they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau > gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this > could work as damage control in these instances. > > Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I > play journalist again... > > -------------------------------------- > Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174 > Nothing Communications & Design > paul at nothingdesign.com.au > www.nothingdesign.com.au > > Everybody is somebody else's freak > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com > with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your > message. > -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 05:35:18 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com, aussie-weather at theweather.com.au From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >Carl > >Thanks for that. > >I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere >generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially. Yes, not much this side of Australia so far this season - 2000/2001 could end up being among the least active years for the Coral Sea. >My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE >of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). Yep, that is how we spell the place we pronounce as Van-oo-ah-too :-) The Solomons has some potential in a few days by the look of the cold cloud tops in that area. The stuff around Cape York to the Top End could spawn something in a few days if it gets better organised, but every time something starts to look promising it looses organisation and bubbles up somewhere else. >Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is >already a TC according to JTWC. Perth BoM identified it as a significant TC with 55 knot 10 min sustained winds in a satellite bulletin to RA-1 countries issued at 1743Z 02/04/01 before any other agency took much notice of it - MFR Reunion still has it as a tropical disturbance with 30 knot winds - seems that the other agencies are very slow off the mark at the moment. TC Walter is finally being acknowledged as TC 17S by JTWC. I have uploaded a 3 day 6 hourly IR satellite animation showing the development of TC Walter and all the stuff around the Top End - W Coral Sea at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/SatpicLoop.htm - this one has my latest colour enhancement experiment applied which shows structure better than any other one I have done so far. You will find links to all warnings etc on my website at: http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm > >Regards >Simon Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ X-Sender: carls at ford.ace-net.com.au Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 05:42:22 +1000 To: aussie-weather at world.std.com From: Carl Smith Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter (and possible others !) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Hi Simon and All. >My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE >of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit). May be worth checking out FMS to keep an eye on this one. Just after I sent my reply off, this came in from JTWC: >ABPW10 PGTW 031900 >MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL// >SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE WESTERN >PACIFIC OCEAN/031900Z/040600Z APR 01// >RMKS// >1. WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA): > A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. > B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE. >2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST): > A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE. > B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: > (1) AN AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED NEAR 12.0S3 171.0E9 HAS >PERSISTED FOR THE PAST 12 HOURS. UW-CIMSS ANALYSTS PRODUCT >INDICATES THE CONVECTION IS WITHIN A WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR >ENVIRONMENT WITH DIFFLUENCE ALOFT. A RECENT QUIKSCAT PASS INDICATES >A BROAD LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION. >MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA >LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE 1006 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR THE >DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 >HOURS IS POOR. > (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS. >3. JUSTIFICATION: ADDITION OF POOR SUSPECT AREA TO PARA 2.B. >FORECAST TEAM: MAZANY/MORRIS/EDBERG// Regards, Carl. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au Subject: aus-wx: Narromine Storms To: aussie-weather at world.std.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:28:03 +1000 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Domino/Advance(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 04/04/2001 08:41:33 Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com 7.30pm 03/04 Reports coming in from severe lightning activity around Narromine and Tommingley areas.. Several outages reported.. Dave ##################################################################################### This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Advance Energy. ##################################################################################### +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ From: David Jones To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" Subject: aus-wx: freak.. Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000 From: Mark Hardy Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media >The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological >perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is >perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most >likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to >have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms. > >In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from >many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the >public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting >worked up about it. > >Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in >Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back >together in Maroubra. > >The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the >people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau >should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as >well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly >meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between >the Bureau and the media/public. > >Mark Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time, when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak. I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit... BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers. Cheers, David. Dr David Jones Climate Analysis Section National Climate Centre Bureau of Meteorology Fax : (+61 3) 9669 4678 GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 Victoria 3001, Australia Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646 email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ To unsubscribe from aussie-weather send e-mail to:majordomo at world.std.com with "unsubscribe aussie-weather your_email_address" in the body of your message. -----------------------jacob at iinet.net.au------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:31:39 +1000 From: Andrew Miskelly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Subject: Re: aus-wx: Matt Smith's funnel report. Sender: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com Matt, and others, Channel Nine reported and showed a large wooden post (like, a 4x2 that was 10 ft long) that had been speard through a window. This is usually a pretty good sign that there was some sort of spin-up, maybe a brief invisible extension of one of the funnels around to the ground! Andrew. Matt Smith wrote: > > Hi > > Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people. > > Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in > the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy > it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might > happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off. > We did not get a storm here at