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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 01 Apr 01 01:23:30 +1000
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Hello Sam!

31 Mar 01 04:06, you wrote to Weather Chase Canada:

 SB> This should be a spectacular display in Canada.  For y'all down under,
 SB> follow the link listed below, then scroll down the page to the
 SB> Southern Hemisphere image. It appears that southern Australia and New
 SB> Zealand may be within view of the aurora too and it may actually be
 SB> overhead in Tasmania!

The aurora was detected by radio in SE Australia late this afternoon (I missed
out on the fun :( ), but I didn't see anything later in the evening, might have
been a case of arrival at the wrong time of day. :-(

Tony, VK3JED

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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 11:04:43 +1000
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For those of you who are wondering what a not particularly active front
looks like, I've created a composite image from the CSIRO images of SA &
Vic at  http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_04_01.htm

Now I've worked out how to do this, images like this may appear when we
have significant weather in our part of the world.

Jane
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Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:00:09 +1000
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Afternoon all,

What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the
primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about
300km.

Thanks,

Jane
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:01:56 +1000
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Hi Jane and all.
A cold frontal system can be a very complex area of airmass interchange,with
changes not only to the surface flow but to the mid and upper layers as
well, sometimes the upper portions of cold fronts can be carried forward of
the mid and lower segments of a cold front especially when the lower layers
are being retarded either by friction or variability's in the progression of
synoptic scale systems i.e.. Highs and Lows. Also there are other factors
too and upper portions of cold fronts can be carried away by stronger upper
winds,another factor in the development of pre frontal troughs is moving
wave action developed by the cold front itself, i.e. At 300hpa or around
that level the surface cold front can act as an interruption to the flow at
high levels,(the upper levels are sometimes moving much faster.) this
situation can then set up propagation of down wind waves with their attached
moving troughs and ridges, under these generated waves and upper troughs
certain types of weather can be generated, under upper troughs this can
induce the development of thunderstorms in mid latitude and sub tropical
locations  (also upper troughs can also advect colder air forward of the
surface front and destabilising the airmass below),such systems can be seen
especially in the summer half of the year occurring well ahead of the
surface cold front and sometimes the cold front can even dissipate but the
upper trough can still be detected. regards Clyve Herbert.....
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> Afternoon all,
>
> What determines the distance between a pre-frontal trough and the
> primary front? The one crossing Victoria today has a distance of about
> 300km.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jane
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight
local time)
over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my
home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island.
Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams
from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains"
was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to
be recorded on video here.
Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the
viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of
late.
Any observations from Australia?

JohnGaul
NZ Aurora Australis Watchers Society

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tully River Flood
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Does it ever stop raining up there?


INITIAL FLOOD WARNING FOR THE TULLY RIVER
Issued at 10:11pm on Sunday the 1st of April 2001
by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane.

Heavy rain over the weekend has caused rises and minor flooding in the Tully
River. The Tully River at Euramo was 7.05 metres at 9pm Sunday evening and
rising slowly. The river level at Euramo is expected to peak at about 7.4
metres
overnight which is 0.7 metres below the level of the approaches to the Bruce
Highway Bridge. Further rainfall overnight may increase these levels.

Highest rainfall totals since 9am Thursday include Bolinda Estate 284mm,
Jarrah
Creek 335mm and Tully 339mm. Elsewhere totals have been generally less than
100mm.



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<x-flowed>
Hi,

I'm surprised no Sydney people have mentioned this:


TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE  Issued at 1053 on Monday the 2nd of April
2001
This warning affects people in the Sydney Metropolitan area.

This warning is current until midday.

A thunderstorm is currently located near Bundeena in the Royal National
Park [south of Sydney] and is forecast to move towards the north-northeast.
While the centre of the storm is likely to lie out to sea, the western
flank of the storm may pass across the Cronulla area and the Eastern
Suburbs during the next hour.

Large hailstones, damaging winds and very heavy rainfall are possible.


Radar shows plenty of cells in the red just along the coast tracking NNE

Michael

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<x-flowed>

Hey Im going to go to meetings more oftne if it produces the results I got 
when walking out of there !

Sydney - 11:20am and cells line up to the South with Radar showing some 
impressive Red on some of them as they head up along the Illawarra Coast ! 
Whether they will hit here Im not too sure but the BOM seem to think so 
looking at the STW they have issued. NIce to see that they have explained 
the reasons for their STW as well advising that even though the main cell is 
out to sea , the flanking line may produce damaging winds, hail, etc  !!
Lookins from my office I can see a big TCU has shot up over Camden and radar 
seems to be picking this up also ! SE'r has come through already also so 
this has come as a bit of a shock as Im sure mnost sydney Siders wil tell 
you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
Hopefully more reports to come .

Dann is in the city atm and is seeing some very dark areas through the 
buildings to the south !

Here's hoping !

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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
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Hmmm,

Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish
cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus
in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and
see what the pilots say.
Awe hell, the sun just came out!

Avo Ohanian
IT Support
Macquarie University





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All quiet here at Terrey Hills ..been and gone  0.2mm rain

regards

******************************************
Craig Geddes
Superintendent
Warringah Pittwater District
NSW Rural Fire Service
Thompson Drive, Terrey Hills, N.S.W.
Australia, 2084

Phone  9450 3000  Fax 9450 1028
Mobile  0417 265 173

Email Address : craig.geddes at warringah.nsw.gov.au 

>>> stormchaser_1 at excite.com 02/04/2001 12:30:27 >>>
Hmmm,

Looking out my window towards the North there seems to be some darkish
cloud. Tuning the scanner to the Sydney ATIS (126.25) reports Cumulonimbus
in area but no storm warnings. I might scan the air freqs for a while and
see what the pilots say.
Awe hell, the sun just came out!

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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
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Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney..

Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there.  Coogee also hit bad with
roofs and trees blown down..

Getting more reports soon..

Dave




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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:16:32 +1000
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Ok I just got back from Maroubra (a few beaches down from Bondi)

and WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Brief summary :
Large lowering and funnel cloud along the coastline between Maroubra and
La Parouse (sp) (awesome)
2.5cm hail driven by 50 knot winds, will check for dents shortly
a CG hit behind me, likely a powerpole, within 15 metres.

Matthew Smith
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yep i heard the same one on mine


i had small hail heavy rain only for a short time in petersham FOR ONCE WE
GET IT NOT THE WEST HORAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY

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> Just recvd reports from mate listening to scanner in Sydney..
>
> Maroubra Surf Club rook blown off, media there.  Coogee also hit bad with
> roofs and trees blown down..
>
> Getting more reports soon..
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
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I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
BoM...  

On the latest STW:
MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon. 

On the STA:
MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau and
SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
develop.


Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.


Malcolm Ninnes
Unix Systems Admin
National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
Ph. (02) 9722-1862
ninnesm at franklins.com.au
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: What caused Melbourne's Thursday downpour?
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> 
> Hi Laurier.and all.
> This is not the first time I have seen this type of  rain generating system
> across central Victoria,I believe in 1977 a similar situation produced 177mm
> in the Laverton area (92mm this time).A feature of this type of rain event
> is a rather narrow and vigorous rain band moving from a southwest,south, or
> southeast direction,its interesting to note that often the warmer air is on
> the west side (at the surface at least). I personally call this situation a
> "wrap around", some work has been done on this type of phenomena in the
> British Isles , I think they call the synoptic situation a "bent back
> occlusion" and this type of situation has produced narrow bands of heavy
> rain there(and localised heavy snow also).From my obs the situation is
> rather complex, the wrap around can be traced to an infeed band usually
> moving from the north or northeast to the east of the low and then
> converging into the low ,but sometimes the band wraps around the apparent
> low centre with multible spiralls often in the mature stage (an occluded
> low). This region has a very interesting set-up with colder air on the east
> side and warmer air to the west also there appears to be a narrow warm
> conveyer belt in the middle layers and generally all very moist,the region
> appears to develop into  a strong convergence zone with most of the
> precipitation developing in  the lower and mid levels with what appears to
> be copious amounts of "warm rain",the type of rain is often of the small to
> medium size (this may account for the lack of electrical activity) but I
> also encountered short spells of very heavy and large drops from what are
> possibly deeper and perhaps glaciated larger embedded cumuliform
> developments.The structure of this Melbourne rain band showed 20 to 30 knot
> south to south-westerly  winds on the west side of the rain band and only
> light north to northeasterlie on the east side,it was markedly warmer on the
> west side at the surface .Also there is possibly good upper surport along
> the convergence line with relitivly strong upper winds of a southerly
> componant.regards Clyve Herbert.--- Original Message -----

I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic
situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of 
a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently
high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar).

Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for
such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it 
happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for
another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help
either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona
area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain
was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at
Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north-
east as Yan Yean).

Blair

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IDW16N02

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1426 on Monday the 2nd of April 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
Central Tablelands
Hunter

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these may be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds and very
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    Gday all,
  It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they 
just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn 
it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy 
showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
    Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations 
news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and 
also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville 
and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible 
by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune

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>
>I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
>BoM...
>
>On the latest STW:
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>unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
>force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
>
>On the STA:
>MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau 
>and
>SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
>are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
>Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
>develop.
>
>
>Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
>up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
>
>
>Malcolm Ninnes
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IDW24400
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Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.

PRIORITY

TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical
cyclone.

At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres east
of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.

Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop on
Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies.

Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST.

  Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
                       Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East.
  Recent movement    : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
  Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre.
  Severity category  : 1.

The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST.
This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210

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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:56:53 +1000
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Jacob

Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.

Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still
show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.

My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have
any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days.

Regards
Simon

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>
> IDW24400
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
>
> Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
>
> PRIORITY
>
> TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
> Issued at 12:40 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
> BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
> A WARNING is now current for Christmas Island for a Category 1 tropical
> cyclone.
>
> At 12 noon WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 260 kilometres
east
> of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.
>
> Gales are not expected in the Christmas Island area today, but may develop
on
> Tuesday as the cyclone moves closer and intensifies.
>
> Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 12 noon WST.
>
>   Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
>                        Latitude 10.0 South Longtitude 108.0 East.
>   Recent movement    : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
>   Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
>   Maximum wind gusts : 90 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>   Severity category  : 1.
>
> The next advice will be issued at 4:00pm WST.
> This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
>
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the SE
was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there.

There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it
is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.

Edge city yet again.

Michael


> you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> Hopefully more reports to come .
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Hi Kevin/Clyve/all

Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado
occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried
looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you
tried to describe.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples,
so apologies if I misinterpret your question.

> When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main tornado? 

My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction
vortices are the same thing.  The 'internal' vortices are such that they
are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them
from view.  Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure
isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft
may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so
make them appear to be external.

In my web searches I came across the following website:
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html
which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin
tornadoes:
http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif

Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external
vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example.  But in this case,
apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes.  Perhaps things may(?) be
clearer once you read the answer to your second question. 

> (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices 
> considered one tornado or separate?

I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a
tornado by its parent circulation.  So if you see vortices orbiting around
a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado.
However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they
would be classified as distinct tornadoes.


On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote:

> i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above
> the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to
> the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction
> spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional
> speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis
> that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage
> than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation.

All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes
place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of
the tornado.  As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
result in increased wind speeds.  With instabilities forming on this
annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed
around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other
speed.  Add all these velocity components together (speed due to
concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities +
tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds.

Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if
not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to
forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain. 


One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've
mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and
what I think.  So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been
said here. 


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler

E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

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Monash University 
Clayton, Vic 3800 
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<x-flowed>
According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
unique problem.  A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and would
put it on in the bathroom.  That was fine, but after they put on their
lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of little
lip prints.
Finally the principal decided that something had to be done.  She called all
the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.  She
explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night.  To demonstrate how
difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
clean one of the mirrors.  He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
There are teachers and then there are teachers.

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Jimmy,
I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server.  I agree as a
teacher/educator, it is very good.

Carolyn


> According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
> unique problem.  A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and
would
> put it on in the bathroom.  That was fine, but after they put on their
> lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of
little
> lip prints.
> Finally the principal decided that something had to be done.  She called
all
> the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
She
> explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
> custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night.  To demonstrate how
> difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
> clean one of the mirrors.  He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
> into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
> Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
> There are teachers and then there are teachers.
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Well I am just that.. A teacher.. well I attend classes anyway.

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:10 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Jimmy,
>I have just seen that one sent to the Monash List Server.  I agree as a
>teacher/educator, it is very good.
>
>Carolyn
>
>
> > According to a radio report, a middle school in Oregon was faced with a
> > unique problem.  A number of girls were beginning to use lipstick and
>would
> > put it on in the bathroom.  That was fine, but after they put on their
> > lipstick, they would press their lips to the mirror leaving dozens of
>little
> > lip prints.
> > Finally the principal decided that something had to be done.  She called
>all
> > the girls to the bathroom and met them there with the maintenance man.
>She
> > explained that all these lip prints were causing a major problem for the
> > custodian who had to clean the mirrors every night.  To demonstrate how
> > difficult it was to clean the mirrors, she asked the maintenance guy to
> > clean one of the mirrors.  He took out a long-handled squeegee, dipped it
> > into the toilet and then cleaned the mirror.
> > Since then there have been no lip prints on the mirror.
> > There are teachers and then there are teachers.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> > http://www.australiasevereweather.com
> >
> > President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.

In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
worked up about it.

Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
together in Maroubra.

The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
the Bureau and the media/public.

Mark

> From: "Rune Peitersen" <runepeitersen at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
> 
> Gday all,
> It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they
> just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn
> it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy
> showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
> Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations
> news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
> saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in NSW, and
> also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including Wentworthville
> and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, (possible
> by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune
> 
>> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
>> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
>> 
>> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
>> BoM...
>> 
>> On the latest STW:
>> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
>> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
>> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
>> 
>> On the STA:
>> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau
>> and
>> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
>> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
>> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
>> develop.
>> 
>> 
>> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like making
>> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
>> 
>> 
>> Malcolm Ninnes
>> Unix Systems Admin
>> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
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Hi Jacob and All.

Does any body have BoM TC Advices #1 and #3 for TC Walter?

If so, please email them to me at carls at ace-net.com.au.

TCA#5 is pasted below.

Regards,
Carl.

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>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 5
>Issued at 9:55 pm WST on Monday, 2 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone.
>
>At 9 pm WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres
>northeast
>of Christmas Island and moving west at 15 kilometres per hour.
>
>Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area
>overnight, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
>
>Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9 pm WST.
>
>  Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
>                       Latitude 9.8 South Longitude 106.3 East.
>  Recent movement    : West at 15 kilometres per hour.
>  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
>  Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>  Severity category  : 1.
>
>The next advice will be issued at 1:00am WST Tuesday.
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Hi Simon and All.

>Jacob
>
>Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.
>
>Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts still
>show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.
>
>My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one have
>any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few days.
>
>Regards
>Simon
<snip>

Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like they
could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for
a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath
waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E
being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it looks
to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area
which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also
have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment.

TCA#6 for Walter pasted below.

Regards,
Carl.

>IDW24400
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>
>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
>
>PRIORITY
>
>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6
>Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical cyclone.
>
>At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100 kilometres
>northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14
>kilometres per
>hour.
>
>Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area early
>this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
>
>Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST.
>
>  Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
>                       Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East.
>  Recent movement    : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
>  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
>  Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>  Severity category  : 1.
>
>The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday.
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> The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
> people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
> should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
> well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
> meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
> the Bureau and the media/public.

This is not all that true... The media [1] reports what will sell copies, in the
way to best exploit that event. People don't want information, they want
exciting information, and this is what they get when the media takes a storm and
turns it into "Freak Storm Hits Beach, Residents Saw Tornado".

The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual information
to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general
population.

My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a
separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci
information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population.

Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information
they require, and the media and general population would get the weather
delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted.

Pauly (kinda part of that media, but trying hard not to be)

[1] General media, the sort that you see on TV and most newspapers

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<x-flowed>
Ah...memories...

I don't recall the synoptic situation too well (these were the pre-internet 
days where, if you missed the TV weather,  you had to wait for the newspaper 
to get a 24 out of date SLP and satellite image.) I missed the TV weather 
that night...

I was a student at Monash Uni and was returning to Ballarat for Easter. I 
left Monash at around 3pm after drinking lots of coffee and frantically 
finishing some assignments. I wasn't too aware of the rain until I got onto 
the Tullamarine (now Calder?) Fwy and there I stayed for the next four hours 
in traffic that was brought to a standstill.

My most vivid memory was feeling my bladder fill past bursting point - but 
being surrounded by stationary cars full of people, torrential rain and more 
rain and water and running water and water everywhere and even more 
water.....and my over-full bladder.... agonising as it was, there was not 
much I could do to relieve the situation... (I think after about 3 hours and 
increasingly desparate and fuzzy headed, I found a plastic bag..but not a 
very big one!!)

After hours of continuing agony and centimeter by painfull centimeter, I 
finally got to Keilor where the freeway was completely closed by flooding 
and we were sent back to Melbourne. :-(

At least the traffic was moving in this direction (must have averaged an 
impressive 5-10 kmh)and I managed to get off the freeway and find a public 
convenience for a couple of very relieving minutes...

I finally got to Ballarat at 1.00am - a ten hour trip normally done in just 
under two.

Also noticed how comparatively dry everything was once I got past the 
Melton/Bacchus Marsh area.

It was certainly a weather induced experience that has long remained ethched 
in my memory - and other anatomical regions!!

Patrick

>From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>

[snip..]

>
>I'd had a look at the April 1977 event as well. The synoptic
>situation was comparable - Melbourne was on the western side of
>a broad area of low pressure (couldn't find charts with sufficiently
>high resolution to see whether the finer-scale pattern was similar).
>
>Damage/general reports are tricky to come by - my usual source for
>such things is the book of newspaper clippings, but because it
>happened on the afternoon of Easter Thursday there were no papers for
>another 36 hours, and the Monthly Weather Review wasn't much help
>either. There were, however, reports of severe winds in the Altona
>area, something largely absent from the 2001 event, and the rain
>was both heavier and more widespread (188mm at Laverton, 132 at
>Melbourne Airport, and several other triple-digit falls as far north-
>east as Yan Yean).
>
>Blair

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Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.

> From: "Paul Mirtschin" <paul at nothingdesign.com.au>
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 09:02:27 +1000
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: warnings and media
> 
> The Bureau will always be in a position of trying to present factual
> information
> to those who need it, while being seen as a stick in the mud by the general
> population.
> 
> My whole view on this is IF there was enough funding to go around, then a
> separate general media section could be tacked on that could take the sci
> information, and "dumb it down" for the media and general population.
> 
> Those with sci backgrounds or knowledge could still get the exact information
> they require, and the media and general population would get the weather
> delivered in a language that sells/excites without being distorted.

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Move :-)

Macca
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> And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the
SE
> was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed there.
>
> There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home it
> is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.
>
> Edge city yet again.
>
> Michael
>
>
> > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> > Hopefully more reports to come .
> >
>
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> Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
> like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
> but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
> never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.

Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format
that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report"
that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that
they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau
gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this
could work as damage control in these instances.

Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I
play journalist again...

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Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
yesterday.

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm

Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
cloud.

Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
dark colours.

Matthew Smith
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:26:05 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Fantastic report and photos!

Well done!  Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
photos!

AC

Matt Smith wrote:
> 
> Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> yesterday.
> 
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> 
> Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> cloud.
> 
> Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
> not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
> The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
> for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> dark colours.
> 
> Matthew Smith
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
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<x-flowed>
Hi Mark and all,

Mark, I agree with you on that point. As I have said some time before, we 
don't have to get work up about the words mini-tornado and so on. We know 
what we are talking about and that's what matters. We hear this argument 
every time it happens. It begins to get monotonous.

Cheers

Jimmy Deguara

At 06:19 PM 2/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>
>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>worked up about it.
>
>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>together in Maroubra.
>
>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf between
>the Bureau and the media/public.
>
>Mark
>
> > From: "Rune Peitersen" <runepeitersen at hotmail.com>
> > Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:14:26 +1000
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
> >
> > Gday all,
> > It was TCU heaven at work in Sydney today, after the fog cleared, they
> > just came in waves from the south, with 5 anvils present at one stage, damn
> > it was nice to see again!, at 4pm at home (Glenorie) getting some heavy
> > showers and thunder still, another cell has gone red NW of Bowral.
> > Steve Symonds from the BOM was on 702AM, blasting the radio stations
> > news teams for using the words freak storm and mini tornado,
> > saying theyre not freak storms and that 100 or so per year occur in 
> NSW, and
> > also giving details of tornado occurences in Sydney including 
> Wentworthville
> > and Granville, and mentioned the large funnel spotted in Maroubra, 
> (possible
> > by Matt Smith?),, so that was good!... Cheers, Rune
> >
> >> From: NinnesM at franklins.com.au
> >> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >> Subject: aus-wx: warnings and media
> >> Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 13:56:14 +1000
> >>
> >> I like the extra inclusions on the latest STA and STW's from the Sydney
> >> BoM...
> >>
> >> On the latest STW:
> >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: No further Severe Thunderstorm WARNINGS will be issued
> >> unless severe thunderstorms redevelop. A Severe Thunderstorm ADVICE is in
> >> force advised of the POTENTIAL for such developments this afternoon.
> >>
> >> On the STA:
> >> MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: * This Advice message is valid until 4 pm. The Bureau
> >> and
> >> SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time. * There
> >> are currently no severe thunderstorms visible on radar. A more detailed
> >> Severe Thunderstorm Warning will be issued if severe thunderstorms do
> >> develop.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hopefully this will fix those certain Sydney radio stations who like 
> making
> >> up their own thunderstorm warnings and forecasts.
> >>
> >>
> >> Malcolm Ninnes
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> >> National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
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Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 04:15:26 +1000
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Paul, Mark, Jimmy - others ...
The expression "dumbing down" is not really appropriate. It is rather
arrogant to assume that an explanation is more  usable and understood
language is dumbing down.  Economics is something that always fascinated
me but something I never really understood. I find the layman's
explanations of someone like the Sydney Morning Herald's Ross Gittings 
bot useful informatative and interesting. Maybe he thinks there is 
dumbing down in his explanations - that only one of his I didn't like
was 
"Why did God invent weather forecasters?"

The answer "To make economists look good".

These days it should be the other way around.
Why anybody reading the morning papaers would want an explanation of
what happened in yesterday's storm is beyond me... the effects are the
news.
Enough from me.
Cheers,
Don White 

Paul Mirtschin wrote:
> 
> > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what guys
> > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it "repackaging
> > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau have
> > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
> 
> Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a format
> that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather report"
> that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language that
> they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The Bureau
> gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe this
> could work as damage control in these instances.
> 
> Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather before I
> play journalist again...
> 
>   --------------------------------------
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>     Nothing Communications & Design
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Carl

Thanks for that.

I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere
generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially.

My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).

Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is
already a TC according to JTWC.


Regards
Simon

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Cyclone Walter forms


> Hi Simon and All.
>
> >Jacob
> >
> >Thanks for the message. Without it I would have missed formation.
> >
> >Although I suspected this low had potential to develop, the MSL charts
still
> >show a 1007 hpa low in the vicinity of Walter.
> >
> >My eyes are drawn also to the TS flare ups closer to North QLD. Any one
have
> >any thoughts for potential development in this area over the next few
days.
> >
> >Regards
> >Simon
> <snip>
>
> Whilst either of the two main TS flare ups E of Cape York do look like
they
> could have some potential for development if they continue to organise for
> a few days as they have quite cold cloud tops, I would not hold my breath
> waiting as the extent of the clouds is quite small, with the one near 150E
> being the best candidate. When I colour enhanced the 021132 satpic it
looks
> to me like there is a weak monsoonal low over the Gulf of Carpentaria area
> which could be a better candidate for development, however it would also
> have to get rather better organised than it is at the moment.
>
> TCA#6 for Walter pasted below.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
> >IDW24400
> >BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> >WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
> >
> >Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should NOT be used with this warning.
> >
> >PRIORITY
> >
> >TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 6
> >Issued at 12:50 am WST on Tuesday, 3 April 2001
> >BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> >TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
> >
> >A WARNING is current for Christmas Island for a category 1 tropical
cyclone.
> >
> >At midnight WST Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be 100
kilometres
> >northnortheast of Christmas Island and moving westnorthwest at 14
> >kilometres per
> >hour.
> >
> >Gales with gusts to 100 km/hr could develop in the Christmas Island area
early
> >this morning, as the cyclone passes close to the Island.
> >
> >Details of Tropical Cyclone Walter at midnight WST.
> >
> >  Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
> >                       Latitude 9.6 South Longitude 106.1 East.
> >  Recent movement    : Westnorthwest at 14 kilometres per hour.
> >  Central Pressure   : 995 hPa.
> >  Maximum wind gusts : 100 kilometres per hour near the centre.
> >  Severity category  : 1.
> >
> >The next advice will be issued at 4:00am WST Tuesday.
> >This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
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6.15pm  03/4

Currently severe storms in Orange, Springhill, Molong, Springside, Forest
Reefs, Canowindra, Walli, Millthorpe, Woodstock, Coonabarabran,..

Power reported off in most of these areas..

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Hi all,
        Given that there are some active thunderstorms tonight around the
Central West of NSW (which is an indication of the unstable air aloft), I am
thinking that maybe tomorrow may see more isolated storms (even severe) as
the Mesolaps model shows a trough by tomorrow night extending from around
Sydney to the north of the state...The waters offshore are still very warm
as winds tend northeasterly there should be a favourable fuel source.  There
is no mention on the official BoM forecast as such.
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<x-flowed>
I agree Anthony,

I certainly am interested in the photo

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm

Seems to be reminiscent to

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg

This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no 
doubts the others were funnel(s).

Great stuff Matt.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Fantastic report and photos!
>
>Well done!  Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
>photos!
>
>AC
>
>Matt Smith wrote:
> >
> > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > yesterday.
> >
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> >
> > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > cloud.
> >
> > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I did
> > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the coast).
> > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on radar
> > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > dark colours.
> >
> > Matthew Smith
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<x-flowed>
Hi Robert,

I take your other points on board but the quote below

"... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would 
result in increased wind speeds..."

seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity 
increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am 
reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating 
TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the 
archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it 
wasn't...billions of apologies!!!)

If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado 
speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly 
rare) contra-rotating vortices form...

BTW...the twin vortices on the Palm Sunday outbreak site ring a bell but I 
also recall a triplet photo from somewhere and the inner vortices I was 
talking about may be best called mini-swirls (from some work done on TCs...)

Don't know if I've made my query easier or more obscure...:((

Cheers,
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hi john, all
i am in queensland so i got no hope:( i love the aurora, though i've never
seen it.
i thought we might have had a reply from someone in the south.
have you photographed any from where you are??
steve

The Aurora Australis was viewed last evening (between 10pm and midnight
local time)
over many parts of the South Island with some good views observed from my
home in Christchurch on the east coast of the South Island.
Mainly orange coloured hues in an arc across the sky with weak light beams
from the south. bluey whitish glow to the south. A feint "set of curtains"
was observed about 1130pm local time. Unfortunatelty, not all that clear to
be recorded on video here.
Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it made the
viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much weather to watch of
late.
Any observations from Australia?

JohnGaul
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I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau
suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored
the tail end of it.  If true, it would suggest that they had additional
information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar...
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> I agree Anthony,
>
> I certainly am interested in the photo
>
> http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm
>
> Seems to be reminiscent to
>
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg
>
> This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no
> doubts the others were funnel(s).
>
> Great stuff Matt.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Fantastic report and photos!
> >
> >Well done!  Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
> >photos!
> >
> >AC
> >
> >Matt Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > > yesterday.
> > >
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> > >
> > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > > cloud.
> > >
> > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I
did
> > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the
coast).
> > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on
radar
> > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > > dark colours.
> > >
> > > Matthew Smith
> > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
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> was
> "Why did God invent weather forecasters?"
>
> The answer "To make economists look good".
>
I think the fortunes of the Australian dollar over the years proves
economists are pretty clueless. Over the years these are actual comments
that I have heard.

" The Australian Dollar rode down against the pound on the back of the green
back " - must have jumped off that green back at some stage.

" The Australian Dollar is weak because Australia is seen as a commodity
country and commodity prices are weak" - well commodity prices have
increased - Gold, oil, even coal.

" The Australia Dollar is weak as interest are low making it an unattractive
investment " - why wasn't the Aussi worth a squillion back in the 18%
interest days then.

" The Australia Dollars is pegged to the fortunes of the Euro " - only when
the Euro is falling it seems.



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Believe me if I could I would !!

Still dry by the way.

Michael

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> Move :-)
>
> Macca
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> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Surprise Surprise !
>
>
> > And I can tell you that is exactly how things went in the Illawarra, the
> SE
> > was already up by sunrise, the Cb's developed off shore and stayed
there.
> >
> > There were showers from Wollongong city northwards, but here at my home
it
> > is dry. Now over two weeks without rain.
> >
> > Edge city yet again.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > you the SE'r is just that .... a Storm Eradicator
> > > Hopefully more reports to come .
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> >
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Hi every1,

I've just posted the March 2001 data that I've archived...

http://wycheproof.www3.50megs.com/

Cheers,
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Hi Matt.
Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and  Sydney
should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
Herbert. ASWA  Victoria.

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Hi Kevin

Thanks for the reply.  This may start to get messy, so let's see how this
goes.


On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Kevin Phyland wrote:

> [Comment by me]
> "... As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
> concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would 
> result in increased wind speeds..."
> 
> seems to imply that conservation of angular momentum causes the velocity 
> increase in vortices. Now (I stand to be corrected here as usual) but I am 
> reliably informed that conservation of angular momentum (from the rotating 
> TS) has little to do with tornado formation. I can check back thru the 
> archives but I think it was Les Lemon who informed the list (if it 
> wasn't...billions of apologies!!!)
> 

Keep in mind here that I haven't mentioned anything about the formation of
the _entire_ tornado complex, but merely the smaller scale suction
vortices.  _These_ I feel are governed by vorticity concentration. 
However, if this is not the case, then I'm happy to hear other
explanations.  
I haven't disputed the fact that the entire tornado circulation is
initiated at cloud level.  Perhaps see below for a clarification.


> If you mean that the circulation within the wall cloud influences tornado 
> speeds by conservation of momentum then I need to ask how the (admittedly 
> rare) contra-rotating vortices form...

I must admit that my comment about the concentration of vorticity leading
to an increase in wind speed wasn't as specific as I should have made it,
so apologies there.  The vorticity concentration leads to increased
windspeeds at _localised_ regions around with updraft/downdraft boundary,
and not _throughout_ the entire tornado circulation.  The above comment ""
may have implied the windspeeds increase throughout the tornado, and thus
imply that the tornado as a whole intensifies through this process.

In reality, this annulus isn't going to be perfectly round owing to the
presence of barotropic instabilities which occur on this surface. 
Consequently, at these localised regions within this "annulus"
vorticity will be concentrated more, and so in these regions, winds will
be more intense and these regions are the suctions spots.  [I hope I'm
clearer here :-P]

So, the key thing here is that this vorticity concentration occurs on a
smaller scale to the tornado, resulting in localised pockets of higher
velocity.

One question that could be asked is how do these barotropic instabilities
arise on this annulus of higher vorticity?  At the moment I have an idea,
but I need to read some more.  [Perhaps best if no one asks :-)]


Just reading back through my first email on this topic, I think I may
see where you're coming from in your first comment.  I was sort of
thrown off by the inclusion of the quoted sentence, and so I thought
your query was relating to that.  

In my first email when I mentioned the movement of a parcel of air
towards/away from the axis of rotation based on angular momentum
conservation, I assumed the tornado was already in full swing.  I wasn't
trying to say that the tornado builds from the ground up through
conservation of angular momentum.  I was merely formulating an explanation
of how the hourglass shape of the wind field comes about through the
conservation of angular momentum law.  So apologies if this was a little
unclear.


I think I've bored/confused people enough.  But once again, if anyone has
their own thoughts/queries, just let fly!


Cheers

--

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 05:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Avo <stormchaser_1 at excite.com>
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Noting the history of waterspouts just off land around Bondi, would I be
incorrect in assuming one of these beasts actually hit land Monday morning?

Just checking the lightning data off Weatherzone and central NSW is alive
people. Actually, I am getting quite a bit of static on my scanner whilst
"trying" to get the BBC world service. Maybe longwire antenna on a kite
would be better.. :-)

Hmmmmmmm. Time to walk outside and see if my fur starts to rise (same thing
happens when you happen to accidentally touch the still attached earthing
cap of a not so discharged monitor tube...... OUCH!)

As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree
(we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years
I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It
is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then
you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In
fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit
once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV)
but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting.........

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Paul,

I'm not sure if their way of reporting it was a misguided interpretation
of something that was noted in one of the warnings (not advices) issued
by the BoM yeterday. In one of their updates they mentioned that most of
the action (in a particular cell) had moved out to see, but coastal
areas could still be affected by the 'western flank' of the storm.

Just guessing...

Andrew.


"The Weather Co." wrote:
> 
> I thought it was interesting that the Channel 9 news reported the Bureau
> suggesting the storm could have been a lot worse and Maroubra only scored
> the tail end of it.  If true, it would suggest that they had additional
> information, perhaps from the Kurnell Doppler radar...
> Paul G.
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> From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Photos from yesterday.
> 
> > I agree Anthony,
> >
> > I certainly am interested in the photo
> >
> > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/04-02-01-06.htm
> >
> > Seems to be reminiscent to
> >
> > http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1206jd23.jpg
> >
> > This shows vertically tilted vorticy and I like the funnels. There is no
> > doubts the others were funnel(s).
> >
> > Great stuff Matt.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 03:26 PM 3/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Fantastic report and photos!
> > >
> > >Well done!  Some strong rotation there, visible just by looking at the
> > >photos!
> > >
> > >AC
> > >
> > >Matt Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Finished up a report and scanned some photographs from the storms here
> > > > yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com/2001/April2.htm
> > > >
> > > > Photos include lowerings, huge inflow band and a multi vortex funnel
> > > > cloud.
> > > >
> > > > Now that I have had a chance to look at radar, the inflow band was
> > > > associated with the first storm that moved up the coast, (although I
> did
> > > > not see any lightning from it, but it weakened as it crossed the
> coast).
> > > > The lowerings and funnels are from the 2nd storm. Both were red on
> radar
> > > > for a while. Excuse the lowish quality of scans, my scanner sux with
> > > > dark colours.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Smith
> > > > http://www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Hi

Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people.

Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in
the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy
it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might
happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off.
We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing
what you can see :)

With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof
on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to
shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me
is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so
why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time...
Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station....  The
sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of
the funnel) Didnt think of it  until later that night though :(
You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :)
Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out
tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly
expect more action.

Matt Smith


clyve herbert wrote:

> Hi Matt.
> Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and  Sydney
> should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
> Herbert. ASWA  Victoria.
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi,

There is a bright side to all this, the more misinformed hysteria the better
for us researchers! Public wants answers = more funding.

Cheers, Lyle

----- Original Message -----
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> > Couldn't agree more Paul. In fact the dumbing down part is largely what
guys
> > like Don White and ourselves do quite well. We like to call it
"repackaging
> > but maybe we are just kidding ourselves. My point was that the Bureau
have
> > never been good at it and your funding point is pretty valid.
>
> Maybe the Bureau needs to write press releases to send to the media in a
format
> that is both informative and exciting... Perhaps a "significant weather
report"
> that can be sent before/during/after an event that includes the language
that
> they will use anyway, but that will put a bit more truth int here... The
Bureau
> gets enough of a hard time from not knowing when these "freaks" hit, maybe
this
> could work as damage control in these instances.
>
> Anyway, enough rambling, I might try to get out in this nice weather
before I
> play journalist again...
>
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Hi Simon and All.

>Carl
>
>Thanks for that.
>
>I think I'd gone to sleep regarding TC's this year southern hemisphere
>generally, but Coral Sea and eastward especially.

Yes, not much this side of Australia so far this season - 2000/2001 could
end up being among the least active years for the Coral Sea.

>My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
>of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).

Yep, that is how we spell the place we pronounce as Van-oo-ah-too :-)

The Solomons has some potential in a few days by the look of the cold cloud
tops in that area. The stuff around Cape York to the Top End could spawn
something in a few days if it gets better organised, but every time
something starts to look promising it looses organisation and bubbles up
somewhere else.

>Couple of good TC swirls farther out in Indian Ocean also. One of which is
>already a TC according to JTWC.

Perth BoM identified it as a significant TC with 55 knot 10 min sustained
winds in a satellite bulletin to RA-1 countries issued at 1743Z 02/04/01
before any other agency took much notice of it - MFR Reunion still has it
as a tropical disturbance with 30 knot winds - seems that the other
agencies are very slow off the mark at the moment. TC Walter is finally
being acknowledged as TC 17S by JTWC.

I have uploaded a 3 day 6 hourly IR satellite animation showing the
development of TC Walter and all the stuff around the Top End - W Coral Sea
at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/SatpicLoop.htm - this one has my latest
colour enhancement experiment applied which shows structure better than any
other one I have done so far.

You will find links to all warnings etc on my website at:
http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm

>
>Regards
>Simon
<snip>

Regards,
Carl.


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Hi Simon and All.

<snip>
>My attention has now turned more toward the disturbance (?) just to the NE
>of Vanuatu (hope that is how you spell Vana-wotsit).
<snip>

May be worth checking out FMS to keep an eye on this one. Just after I sent
my reply off, this came in from JTWC:

>ABPW10 PGTW 031900
>MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVPACMETOCCEN PEARL//
>SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE WESTERN
>PACIFIC OCEAN/031900Z/040600Z APR 01//
>RMKS//
>1. WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA):
>   A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
>   B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE.
>2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST):
>   A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
>   B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
>      (1) AN AREA OF CONVECTION LOCATED NEAR 12.0S3 171.0E9 HAS
>PERSISTED FOR THE PAST 12 HOURS. UW-CIMSS ANALYSTS PRODUCT
>INDICATES THE CONVECTION IS WITHIN A WEAK VERTICAL WIND SHEAR
>ENVIRONMENT WITH DIFFLUENCE ALOFT. A RECENT QUIKSCAT PASS INDICATES
>A BROAD LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION.
>MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA
>LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE 1006 MB.  THE POTENTIAL FOR THE
>DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24
>HOURS IS POOR.
>      (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS.
>3. JUSTIFICATION: ADDITION OF POOR SUSPECT AREA TO PARA 2.B.
>FORECAST TEAM: MAZANY/MORRIS/EDBERG//

Regards,
Carl.


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Reports coming in from severe lightning activity around Narromine and
Tommingley areas.. Several outages
reported..

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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000
From: Mark Hardy <mhardy at theweather.com.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media

>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>
>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>worked up about it.
>
>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>together in Maroubra.
>
>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf
between
>the Bureau and the media/public.
>
>Mark

Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point
will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is
trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim
that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that
these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of
this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of
the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call
a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely
because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time,
when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak.

I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit...

BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective
responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers.

Cheers,

David.

                                                              
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Matt, and others,

Channel Nine reported and showed a large wooden post (like, a 4x2 that
was 10 ft long) that had been speard through a window. This is usually a
pretty good sign that there was some sort of spin-up, maybe a brief
invisible extension of one of the funnels around to the ground!

Andrew.


Matt Smith wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Thanks ! certainly didnt expect these kind words from people.
> 
> Commended? Hah that will never happen... I dont think anyone really cares in
> the real world besides the group here... which is all that counts.. I enjoy
> it, the adventure, the uncertanty, not knowing what you will see or what might
> happen.. If you can get out there and take some chances, it can pay off.
> We did not get a storm here at home that day, drive 15km or so and its amazing
> what you can see :)
> 
> With regards to the damage...it seemed very confined to a corragated iron roof
> on the surf club, which blew off and debri from that caused other damage to
> shop windows etc. I would rule out a tornado almost... the thing that gets me
> is that, that area would often cop 50knot+ winds with strong fronts etc, so
> why did the roof rip off this time? Maybe it just weakened over time...
> Should have sold a few seconds of the video footage to a TV station....  The
> sound of the flanger is awesome with the hail hitting the car. (no video of
> the funnel) Didnt think of it  until later that night though :(
> You'll see these photos and video soon clyve :)
> Ok im babbliny now. Off to bed, i have an early start. Will keep an eye out
> tomorrow after todays activity along the trough line, I would deffinatly
> expect more action.
> 
> Matt Smith
> 
> clyve herbert wrote:
> 
> > Hi Matt.
> > Your report and photos of the storms near to the east coast and  Sydney
> > should be commended, an excellent report congratulations.regards Clyve
> > Herbert. ASWA  Victoria.
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Hi all.
There are two potential locations for interesting tropical developments
tonight,the Gulf of Carpentry has a persistent region of convergence worth a
continued check on there is some outflow over this region too,also a large
and persistent region of convection is located north of Fiji this region
also shows potential for development over the next 24 hours.regards Clyve
Herbert.

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Robert.
In respect to the use of the word periphery,this is the outer edge of the
main circulation and extending outwards to cover the inflow region (could we
call it the "event region"),I strongly suspect some odd goings on within the
central core of the main vortex,it is here that I believe gravity waves may
be generated, i.e. there main be a return force generated from the affect of
the inflow and compression around the main vortex if we look at the main
vortex region which is roughly circular there is a force acting upon the
periphery from the inflow occurring at all sides, this in some respects is a
balancing feature and may have something to do with the size of the central
core  and may be relative to the extent of the inflow the force acting on
all sides of the central core actually may result in a rebound force moving
outwards from the main central vortex. regards Clyve Herbert,difficult to
put this concept into words at this stage .
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>
> Hi Kevin/Clyve/all
>
> Now, I must admit as to not being well versed in historical tornado
> occurrences in the US (or anywhere for that matter :-P), so I tried
> looking these events up, with the aim of finding pictures of what you
> tried to describe.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find any obvious examples,
> so apologies if I misinterpret your question.
>
> > When you say periphery do you mean internal or external to the main
tornado?
>
> My immediate thought about this was that the internal and external suction
> vortices are the same thing.  The 'internal' vortices are such that they
> are hidden because of the condensation in the region which blocks them
> from view.  Dare I say that in weaker events where the central pressure
> isn't as low, then the warming and drying associated with the downdraft
> may be more conducive to produce more visible suction vortices, and so
> make them appear to be external.
>
> In my web searches I came across the following website:
> http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/d5vbcs/outbreak65.html
> which has some photos of the Palm Sunday 1965 event, and shows twin
> tornadoes:
> http://members.nbci.com/d5vbcs/palmsunday/goshen4.gif
>
> Now, I'm not sure if this is what you're referring to about the external
> vortices, perhaps this may be too extreme an example.  But in this case,
> apparently this was the merger of two tornadoes.  Perhaps things may(?) be
> clearer once you read the answer to your second question.
>
> > (question 2 I guess) are clusters of rotating vortices
> > considered one tornado or separate?
>
> I'm no expert here, but I'm guessing that you would probably judge a
> tornado by its parent circulation.  So if you see vortices orbiting around
> a common centre, then you would define the centre as the tornado.
> However, if these vortices are moving independent of each other, than they
> would be classified as distinct tornadoes.
>
>
> On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
>
> > i.e can an equation be established from the speed of the rotation above
> > the friction boundary layer and then the retardation from this point to
> > the surface of the earth,the resultant and at times severe suction
> > spots/vortices may exhibit speeds briefly close to the non frictional
> > speed of the main tornado?!!.It is well known from photographic analysis
> > that these secondary vortices can produce much stronger gusts and damage
> > than the mean frictionally retarded tornadatic circulation.
>
> All I can say here is that before any downdraft within the tornado takes
> place, the vertical vorticity is distributed across the whole diameter of
> the tornado.  As the downdraft descends, this vertical vorticity gets
> concentrated in a thinner annulus around this downdraft, and hence would
> result in increased wind speeds.  With instabilities forming on this
> annulus to form the suction vortices, they would rotate at some speed
> around the central tornado while this tornado is translating at some other
> speed.  Add all these velocity components together (speed due to
> concentrated vert. vorticity + speed of rotation of instabilities +
> tornado speed), and you would come up with some fairly big speeds.
>
> Obviously though, friction plays a big role and I'd imagine that most, if
> not all F5 occurrences have been over flat countryside as opposed to
> forested or very hilly/mountainous terrain.
>
>
> One final thing, _I am by no means an expert here_, and all of what I've
> mentioned so far has been from what I have read over the past week and
> what I think.  So feel free to criticise or add to anything that has been
> said here.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
> --
>
>
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IDDP0002 BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY 
Northern Territory Region Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre 
PRIORITY TROPICAL CYCLONE WATCH TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1 
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN at 11:36 am CST Wednesday 4
April 2001 
A CYCLONE WATCH has been declared for coastal and island communities from
CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD. 
At 11 am CST a TROPICAL LOW was centred in the Arafura Sea about 140
kilometres north of NHULUNBUY and nearly stationary. The low is expected to
move slowly westward during the next couple of days. There is the
possibility of a cyclone developing but GALES are not expected in coastal
areas within the next 24 hours, however gales could develop later.
 Details of TROPICAL LOW at 11 am CST: . 
Centre located near...... 11 degrees South 137 degrees East . Location
accuracy........ within 45 kilometres . 
Recent movement.......... nearly stationary . 
Wind gusts near centre... 90 kilometres per hour . 
Central pressure......... 1004 hectoPascals 
People from CROKER ISLAND to CAPE SHIELD should listen for the next advice
which will be issued at 5 pm CST. This advice is available on telephone 1300
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Hi All.

The email below came in so thought I would pass it on.

Regards,
Carl.

> Hi Julian,
>
>     Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC quiet
> spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity.  I wonder
> what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and
> then let it burst out all over?
>
>    Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached
> image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the central
> SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so.  There are three TCs
> in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west
> of Fiji.  Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could drift
> west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD.  One fascinating aspect of all of
> this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at
> www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.)
>
>
>     Best regards,  Mark Lander
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> >
> > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC has
> > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends a
> > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since 1990,
> > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May 1995).
> > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern
> > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs
>before the
> > season ends.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Julian
> >


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Hi All.

TC Walter now severe Cat 3.

BoM TCA#13 and JTWC#3 pasted below - if anyone has BoM TCA#12, please send
it to me.

Regards,
Carl.

>IDW24400
>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE
>
>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this warning.
>
>PRIORITY
>
>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 13
>Issued at 9:55 am WST on Wednesday, 4 April 2001
>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH
>
>A WARNING for a severe category 3 tropical cyclone is now current for Cocos
>Island.
>
>At 9am WST Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter was estimated to be
> 470 kilometres eastnortheast of Cocos Island and
>moving west at 16 kilometres per hour.
>
>Gales are not expected at Cocos Island today, but are likely to develop on
>Thursday as the cyclone takes a more southwesterly track and approaches the
>Island.
>
>Details of Severe Tropical Cyclone Walter at 9am WST.
>
>  Location of centre : within 40 kilometres of
>                       Latitude 10.1 South Longitude 100.6 East.
>  Recent movement    : West at 16 kilometres per hour.
>  Central Pressure   : 960 hPa.
>  Maximum wind gusts : 190 kilometres per hour near the centre.
>  Severity category  : 3.
>
>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210
>The next advice will be issued at 1pm WST.
>

>WTXS32 PGTW 040300
>IMMEDIATE DELIVERY REQ TO AMEMBASSY PORT LOUIS
>1. TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) WARNING NR 003
>   03 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
>    ---
>   WARNING POSITION:
>   040000Z4 --- NEAR 10.1S2 100.6E7
>     MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 270 DEGREES AT 10 KTS
>     POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
>     POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
>   PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
>   RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM
>   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
>                            065 NM ELSEWHERE
>   REPEAT POSIT: 10.1S2 100.6E7
>    ---
>   FORECASTS:
>   12 HRS, VALID AT:
>   041200Z7 --- 10.4S5 98.5E2
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
>   RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
>                            035 NM ELSEWHERE
>   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 095 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
>                            070 NM ELSEWHERE
>   VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 250 DEG/ 10 KTS
>    ---
>   24 HRS, VALID AT:
>   050000Z5 --- 11.1S3 96.7E2
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
>   RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
>                            040 NM ELSEWHERE
>   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 110 NM SOUTH SEMICIRCLE
>                            090 NM ELSEWHERE
>   VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 235 DEG/ 10 KTS
>    ---
>   36 HRS, VALID AT:
>   051200Z8 --- 12.3S6 95.0E4
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT
>   RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
>                            055 NM ELSEWHERE
>   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 130 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
>                            110 NM ELSEWHERE
>   VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 210 DEG/ 10 KTS
>    ---
>   EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
>   48 HRS, VALID AT:
>   060000Z6 --- 14.1S6 93.9E1
>   MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT
>   RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 080 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
>                            060 NM ELSEWHERE
>   RADIUS OF 035 KT WINDS - 155 NM SOUTHEAST SEMICIRCLE
>                            125 NM ELSEWHERE
>    ---
>REMARKS:
>040300Z7 POSITION NEAR 10.2S3 100.1E2.
>TROPICAL CYCLONE 17S (WALTER) HAS TRACKED WESTWARD AT 10 KNOTS OVER
>THE PAST 6 HOURS AND IS APPROXIMATELY 250 NM EAST-NORTHEAST OF
>COCOS ISALND. THE WARNING POSITION IS BASED ON 032330Z1 INFRARED
>SATELLITE IMAGERY. THE WARNING INTENSITY IS BASED ON SATELLITE
>CURRENT INTENSITY ESTIMATES OF 55 AND 77 KNOTS. ANIMATED INFRARED
>SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATE BANDING FEATURES AROUND THE LOW-LEVEL
>CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC). A 032049Z8 MICROWAVE PASS DEPICTS AN 11
>NM EYE. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES GOOD OUTFLOW ALOFT AND AN
>UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE EXTENDING OVER THE LLCC. TROPICAL CYCLONE (TC) 17S
>IS EXPECTED TO TRACK IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION THROUGH THE 24 HOUR
>PERIOD THEN TRACK INCREASINGLY SOUTHWESTWARD TOWARD A WEAKNESS IN
>THE MID-LEVEL RIDGE BY THE END OF THE FORECAST PERIOD. TC 17S WILL
>CONTINUE INTENSIFYING AT A CLIMATOLOGICAL RATE THROUGH THE FORECAST
>PERIOD. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 040000Z4 IS 16 FEET. NEXT
>WARNINGS AT 041500Z0 AND 050300Z8. REFER TO TROPICAL CYCLONE 16S
>(NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS32 PGTW) FOR TWELVE-HOURLY UPDATES. REFER TO
>TROPICAL CYCLONE 18S (NONAME) WARNINGS (WTXS33 PGTW) FOR TWELVE-
>HOURLY UPDATES.//


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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Lightning strike points (was The Maroubra Incident!...)
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Hi Avo,

Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not necessarilly the
highest point unless that corresponds to the best path.  While motoring
along the Newcastle expressway late one afternoon, I saw a close lightning
bolt hit an iron fence post in the bottom of a little gully, and at the time
I wondered why it picked the gully as the strike point was much lower than
trees on the ridges either side.  The answer is that the fence post in the
gully presented a better path to ground possibly due to moist earth in the
gully (and didn't it glow red nicely for a short period after the strike).

Similarly, I have a deep gully immediately behind my house and I have had a
Brush box in this gully shattered by lightning while much taller Spotted
gums on the ridge around the house were untouched.  The shatter point was
only 3m above ground, indicating that this is probably where the bolt
entered the tree.

John.
>snip
...

As a matter of interest, I live 5 houses away from an extremely large tree
(we are talking the mother of all trees in Willoughby) and for the 28 years
I have been around, I can not remember it ever being struck by lightning. It
is most definitely the tallest object around for at least 4 or 5 kays (then
you got the towers for Channels 2,7,9,10... you name it... RF HELL!). In
fact, if memory serves me right, my neighbours TV antenna got a direct hit
once many moons ago (did some wonderfull stuff to it and the connected TV)
but the tree got nuffin'. Interesting.........

Avo Ohanian

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Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:39:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Avo <stormchaser_1 at excite.com>
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>  Lightning seems to seek out the best path to ground, not
>  necessarilly the
>  highest point unless that corresponds to the best path.  
>  While motoring

Hmmmmm that is a good point. On hindsight it is highly probable that the
resistance of the tree (a heap of a bark - no matter how wet - can not be
too good for electrical conductivity) is quite large. Perhaps a taller,
thicker rooted tree has LESS probability of being struck than a smaller
thinner one.

Thanks John, you got me thinking :-)

Avo Ohanian
IT Support
Macquarie University





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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Pan-tropical flare up
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Carl and others</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is quite unusual to see such an elongated flare 
up - a bit discontinuous, but impressive none the less.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I note Seychelles Met has not named its two low 
pressure areas yet (but their site&nbsp;tends to be a bit slow and in French). 
Interestingly they plot the two tropical depressions as moving toward one 
another.If this continues to be the case, I would expect the westerly system to 
develop and the easterly system&nbsp;to tend toward 
a&nbsp;merge).</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT face=Arial size=2>PS - love all those new 
French TC names - so bring them on. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also the Fiji Met office is keeping development 
potential of that low now north of Vanuatu as low, which surprises me as all 
looks good to me. Could this be a TC by tomorrow - I think yes - 
maybe?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of more particular interest is that pesky little 
disturbance that popped up around the Gulf/tip of QLD. Advisories have begun on 
this one. And !!! Walter continuing to strengthen and moving close to Xmas 
Island.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting day ahead tomorrow I think for us TC 
fans.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: aus-wx: Upper air experts, commentary for Coral Sea required
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Calling on all upper air experts out 
there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What chances of a favourable track for that 
disturbance north of Vanuatu toward Qld over the next three to five days ? I 
know it is very early days yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks pretty poor at present from the Sat Pics and 
even the surface chart tends to suggest a recurvature toward NZ, but I am an 
absolute beginner in this 'upper' area of meteorology at present.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So your help is required.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey everyone!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised 
by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very 
complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question 
than&nbsp;in the aussie weather forum. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking 
year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts&nbsp;rain, wind, snow, 
sleet, tropical storms-cyclones&nbsp;and the occasional falling frog (anyone see 
Magnolia?). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So plead your case, and after the talking has died 
down, we will tally the votes and we&nbsp;will&nbsp;find out&nbsp;what you think 
is the best weather town of Australia ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This should be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Dorrigo region....

NSW smashing hail, heavy rain hot spot and within access to the Northern 
Tablelands and snow  and of course a nice rain forest area.

So there goes

Jimmy Deguara

At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the 
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex 
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the 
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. 
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical 
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the 
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of 
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>www.sydneystormchasers.com

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Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
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NSW Australia

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I would have to say 
the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains 
(CHASE), good TS, road network is good,&nbsp; well, what can i say, i might be 
biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything but 
Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100 
km's</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's my vote</FONT></DIV>
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I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM 
weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller 
areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge 
rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance 
inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.

It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on 
this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some 
it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just comfortable.

For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore - 
Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note 
that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE 
from the centre of Lismore.

Reasons:

- extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
- accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
- conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like 
Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
- plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good 
percentage of supercells
- a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm 
chasing
- large hail likely each season
- violent winds likely each season
- shelf clouds very common
- hail drifts possible each season
- tornadoes possible each season
- flash floods possible each season
- plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
- coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
- does get cold fronts
- prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
- beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
- prone to East Coast Lows
- prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
- blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy 
shower activity
- blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and 
fine days
- Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W gales

Some disadvantages:

- lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
- can get a bit hot and sticky
- never snows
- rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
- showery weather can hang around for weeks
- fine weather can hang around for weeks
- nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases

A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is the 
best !

regards, Michael



At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the 
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex 
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the 
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. 
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical 
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the 
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of 
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>www.sydneystormchasers.com


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  McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
  NE NSW Australia  http://www.lightningphotography.com/
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Thanks Carl, we appreciate you passing it on.

The depression over the Congo/Angola certainly has my interest.

Michael


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> Hi All.
>
> The email below came in so thought I would pass it on.
>
> Regards,
> Carl.
>
> > Hi Julian,
> >
> >     Thanks for digging up all the interesting data on the latest TC
quiet
> > spell that has now been broken by a sudden burst of activity.  I wonder
> > what kind of thing can supress global TC activity for three weeks, and
> > then let it burst out all over?
> >
> >    Now the whole SH from equatorial Africa across the SIO (See attached
> > image at 22 UTC 03 April), all the way past the date line into the
central
> > SPAC has popped a few TCs or is set to do so.  There are three TCs
> > in the SIO, a TC brewing NW of the GUlf of Carpentaria, and another west
> > of Fiji.  Even a monsoon depression over the Congo and Angola could
drift
> > west and become a rare S. Atlantic TD.  One fascinating aspect of all of
> > this is that NONE of it maps onto the MJO mode (see MJO loop at
> > www.cdc.noaa.gov/map/clim/olr_modes/mapanim2.html.)
> >
> >
> >     Best regards,  Mark Lander
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Heming, Julian wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > It has indeed been a quiet season and a quiet recent spell. Perth TCWC
has
> > > just started issuing warnings for TS Walter (south of Java). This ends
a
> > > 20-day spell without a TC world-wide. Looking back at records since
1990,
> > > there has only been one other 20-day period of no activity (in May
1995).
> > > Also, according to JTWC statistics, it will be the quietest southern
> > > hemisphere season since 1954 unless there are at least 6 more TCs
> >before the
> > > season ends.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Julian
> > >
>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen 
Innes. I would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a 
higher rate of severe storms (&nbsp;I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off 
too early&nbsp; ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention 
frosts by the dozen. Glen Innes is a&nbsp;safe looking town, large enough to 
have amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you could 
strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours or to 
Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in 
Queensland.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities 
my second vote would to Maleny just west of&nbsp;the sunshine coast&nbsp;and 
Nambour, on a plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall 
measured in metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of 
Australia's&nbsp;tornado hotspots&nbsp;such as Gympie.</FONT></DIV>
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  Live</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey everyone!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised 
  by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very 
  complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question 
  than&nbsp;in the aussie weather forum. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking 
  year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts&nbsp;rain, wind, snow, 
  sleet, tropical storms-cyclones&nbsp;and the occasional falling frog (anyone 
  see Magnolia?). </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So plead your case, and after the talking has 
  died down, we will tally the votes and we&nbsp;will&nbsp;find out&nbsp;what 
  you think is the best weather town of Australia ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This should be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
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Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
reasons I chose to live here.

1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days

2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
with bushfires

3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees

4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
southeasterly change

5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
the direction of Sydney

6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
on a ridge top)

7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
recurving ex-TCs

8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
BLEAKHEATH.

No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it. 

That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
weather, wait five minutes."

Laurier
(who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
<weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:

>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum. 
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?). 
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead 
>Blaxland, NSW
>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>www.sydneystormchasers.com

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think the perfect place to live&nbsp;would be 
"GOSFORD"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stayed there for a week lots of years ago and 
decided that this would be a nice place to retire to (eventually)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice weather (like warm) beach for swimming, 
sailing, inland walks, the lot....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I would have to say 
  the southern darling downs, smashing views, nice ranges (formation) and plains 
  (CHASE), good TS, road network is good,&nbsp; well, what can i say, i might be 
  biased, but I reckon Warwick is a great place to live. Central to everything 
  but Tropical Cyclones, and also, snow is relatively close, within 100 
  km's</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here's my vote</FONT></DIV>
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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area
is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.


dann


> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
>
> 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
>
> 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> with bushfires
>
> 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
>
> 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> southeasterly change
>
> 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> the direction of Sydney
>
> 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> on a ridge top)
>
> 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> recurving ex-TCs
>
> 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> BLEAKHEATH.
>
> No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
>
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
>
> Laurier
> (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
>
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question,
so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Hello steve!

03 Apr 01 19:49, you wrote to All:

 sb> here. Although not as spectacular as the AA I viewed last time, it
 sb> made the viewing something worthwhile as there hasn't been much
 sb> weather to watch of late. Any observations from Australia?

Stuck my head outside a couple of times but missed it.  Light pollution here in
Melbourne doesn't help either. :-(

Unlike the 1989 aurora, which I saw from a clear location in country Victoria

Tony, VK3JED

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All of this is obviously true for Taralga as well! But, Taralga is
closer to the top of the Great Dividing Range (about 10-15 kMs west of
here), so it's easy to find completely different weather just over the
hill - whether it be more snow or clear skied easterlies rather than
"Bannaby Mist" easterlies.

There are a mint of stories around here from weather events of the past.
Blizzards, tornadoes, snow in December, squalls, gales, rain...surely
more of one or the other will come soon!

All good!

Andrew.


Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
> 
> 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> 
> 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> with bushfires
> 
> 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> 
> 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> southeasterly change
> 
> 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> the direction of Sydney
> 
> 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> on a ridge top)
> 
> 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> recurving ex-TCs
> 
> 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> BLEAKHEATH.
> 
> No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> 
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
> 
> Laurier
> (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> 
> On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> 
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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<x-flowed>
I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on 
this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year.

For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from 
western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing winter 
mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me, probably 
when I get closer to retiring.

One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW. By 
my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp, although it 
would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we visited 
there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but also a good 
location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW and SE 
Queensland during summer.

Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in 
Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...

Geoff Thurtell
At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the 
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex 
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the 
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. 
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical 
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the 
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of 
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
>Daniel Weatherhead
>Blaxland, NSW
><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
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Sorry, meant TDU2000 below!
Geoff
>Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>From: Geoff Thurtell <gthurtel at ihug.com.au>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
>I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the messages that we see on 
>this list, most areas get interesting weather at some time during the year.
>
>For me personally, as I get older I would like to move further north from 
>western Sydney as I seem to be getting less tolerant of the freezing 
>winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of Maleny would suit me, 
>probably when I get closer to retiring.
>
>One town that has not been mentioned yet is Tenterfield in northern NSW. 
>By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too cold and crisp, 
>although it would be nice to visit when it is snowing. I just felt when we 
>visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be a nice safe town but 
>also a good location to start chasing in any direction around northern NSW 
>and SE Queensland during summer.
>
>Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old age...summer in 
>Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...
>
>Geoff Thurtell
>At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
>>Hey everyone!
>>
>>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the 
>>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex 
>>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in 
>>the aussie weather forum.
>>
>>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. 
>>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical 
>>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>>
>>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally 
>>the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of 
>>Australia ?
>>
>>This should be interesting.
>>
>>dann
>>__________________________
>>Daniel Weatherhead
>>Blaxland, NSW
>><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
>>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
>><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>www.sydneystormchasers.com


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This is really hard....

Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up further
into NE NSW.
Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice drive
towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events.

Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen innes, SE
QLD.. could go on and on.

Matt Smith

dann weatherhead wrote:

> Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow area
> is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
>
> dann
>
> > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> > reasons I chose to live here.
> >
> > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> >
> > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> > with bushfires
> >
> > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> >
> > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> > southeasterly change
> >
> > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > the direction of Sydney
> >
> > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > on a ridge top)
> >
> > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> > recurving ex-TCs
> >
> > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > BLEAKHEATH.
> >
> > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> >
> > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> > weather, wait five minutes."
> >
> > Laurier
> > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > >Hey everyone!
> > >
> > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex question,
> so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> weather forum.
> > >
> > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > >
> > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> Australia ?
> > >
> > >This should be interesting.
> > >
> > >dann
> > >__________________________
> > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > >Blaxland, NSW
> > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
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Hi all,

This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas. 
However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I
believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography,
and are really the same weather wise.  It's only split by a political
state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area.  So for
thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW. 
These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt
have the storms to match.  Even on marginal days, the ranges often
assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or
three to look at.  Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always
make it interesting in the SE'ly.  And even the winter SW'lies can be
fun when they rip through at gale force!

But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a
fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...)  The weather in
Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting! 
And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to
experience the plethora of different weather setups!

"Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!"  :-)

AC

> dann weatherhead wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone!
> 
> During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
> the aussie weather forum.
> 
> So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
> Magnolia?).
> 
> So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
> of Australia ?
> 
> This should be interesting.
> 
> dann
> __________________________
> Daniel Weatherhead
> Blaxland, NSW
> weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> www.sydneystormchasers.com

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Dunno.................

Personally I like Darwin :)

Max


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>
> This is really hard....
>
> Id have to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot up
further
> into NE NSW.
> Lots of severe storms and rain events, with floods as well, and a nice
drive
> towards Dorrigo and the northern tablelands for snow events.
>
> Lots and lots of close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen
innes, SE
> QLD.. could go on and on.
>
> Matt Smith
>
> dann weatherhead wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I will second that Laurier. Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow
area
> > is pretty damn great place to be for all round year action.
> >
> > dann
> >
> > > Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> > > reasons I chose to live here.
> > >
> > > 1. Five to 10 days of snow each winter, sometimes enough to close the
> > > highway, very occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days
> > >
> > > 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in summer, complete
> > > with bushfires
> > >
> > > 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to send
> > > you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding falling trees
> > >
> > > 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in on the seabreeze front and every
> > > southeasterly change
> > >
> > > 5. Breeding ground for lots of storms we later export, secondhand, in
> > > the direction of Sydney
> > >
> > > 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or troughs bring the wind in from the
> > > ESE to ENE (though it must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're
> > > on a ridge top)
> > >
> > > 7. Days of heavy rain from inland systems moving coastwards, including
> > > recurving ex-TCs
> > >
> > > 8. Independent validation of our foul weather by vandals that persist
> > > in changing our station nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or
> > > BLEAKHEATH.
> > >
> > > No falling frogs or fish yet, but we're working on it.
> > >
> > > That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> > > full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> > > Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> > > weather, wait five minutes."
> > >
> > > Laurier
> > > (who's hoping Lindsay will second the nomination)
> > >
> > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 +1000, "dann weatherhead"
> > > <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hey everyone!
> > > >
> > > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on
the
> > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
question,
> > so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the aussie
> > weather forum.
> > > >
> > > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > > >
> > > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will
tally
> > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
of
> > Australia ?
> > > >
> > > >This should be interesting.
> > > >
> > > >dann
> > > >__________________________
> > > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > > >Blaxland, NSW
> > > >weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > > >www.sydneystormchasers.com
> > >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's interesting that no one is yet to mention 
Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern Territory.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it really depends on what your personal 
definition is.&nbsp; If we go by the definition below with storms, cold fronts, 
etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good in terms 
of "the lot" as anywhere in any state.&nbsp; One place that spring to mind is 
Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne.&nbsp; The number of 
notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone the last 50) 
surprises me.&nbsp; 6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme sustained winds 
from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in summer, cold in winter, 
severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on the town), snow...well 
not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30 mins drive yes.&nbsp; Only a 
few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area and the warm season doesn't 
last overly long.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally, I would love to live in many many 
places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be 
happy with anywhere I lived.&nbsp; Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD, 
Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW WA,&nbsp;Woomera 
in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life takes me my love 
for the weather will follow.&nbsp; I'd be happy with frosts in Murtoa, hail in 
Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek or sunsets in Shark 
Bay.&nbsp; The perfect place to live for weather for me is anywhere.&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thankyou,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Macca</FONT></DIV>
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  title=weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>dann weatherhead</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
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  title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:10 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: The Perfect Place to 
  Live</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey everyone!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised 
  by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very 
  complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question 
  than&nbsp;in the aussie weather forum. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking 
  year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts&nbsp;rain, wind, snow, 
  sleet, tropical storms-cyclones&nbsp;and the occasional falling frog (anyone 
  see Magnolia?). </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So plead your case, and after the talking has 
  died down, we will tally the votes and we&nbsp;will&nbsp;find out&nbsp;what 
  you think is the best weather town of Australia ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This should be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead 
  <BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: freak..
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I support Mark on this one. 

So does the Macquarie Dictionary.

It lists 9 definitions, of which several have some relevance:

2. any abnormal product or curiously unusual object; monstrosity
6. unusual; odd; irregular
7. a person who does not conform to orthodox, conservative forms of
behaviour, as by being a homosexual, by taking illicit drugs, by
wearing unconventional dress, etc.

A person wearing unconventional dress in your loungeroom may be
unusual or freakish, even though millions wear unconventional dress
around the world every day. A severe storm in Maroubra (or a category
4 cyclone in Broome ) is a freak, even though several occur every week
around the country. 

To say that this storm was a freak event in Maroubra is a perfectly
correct use of plain english. Or are we rewriting the dictionary? Or
are we just worried about the media sensationalising the event...hold
on a minute...

sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a
number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc.

I think we've got a bee in our bonnet: 
a. an obsession
b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc.

Laurier

On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 08:42:31 +1000 , David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
wrote:

>Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:36 +1000
>From: Mark Hardy <mhardy at theweather.com.au>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: warnings and media
>
>>The Bureau is upset at the term "freak storm" from a meteorological
>>perspective? But from the public perspective describing them as freak is
>>perfectly reasonable. To the residents of Maroubra this storm was most
>>likely a very rare event. I don't think it's reasonable for the media to
>>have an understanding of the broadscale frequency of these storms.
>>
>>In talking to the local residents the radio stations would have heard from
>>many people that they had never seen a storm like it. Therefore to the
>>public in Maroubra it is a freak event. End of story. No point getting
>>worked up about it.
>>
>>Steve Symonds is a usually a good commentator but a tornado in
>>Wentworthville is of no consolation to the folks putting their lives back
>>together in Maroubra.
>>
>>The Bureau need to understand that the media reports the news from the
>>people's perspective. In order to be on the same wavelength the Bureau
>>should also be commenting on these events from the public perspective as
>>well. While the Bureau continue to position severe events in a strictly
>>meteorological manner there will continue to be a communication gulf
>between
>>the Bureau and the media/public.
>>
>>Mark
>
>Surely Mark this is all a matter of perspective. What is unusual at a point
>will be far from unusual across an area, and this is the point that is
>trying to be made. Storms like these are very frequent in NSW and to claim
>that they are somehow freak's can give the public the false impression that
>these are a meteorological rarity. People should be prepared for storms of
>this type, and to claim that they are somehow freakish allows a disowning of
>the responsibility for preparedness. If we follow your logic, we would call
>a category 4 cyclone passing over the city of Broome a freak cyclone, purely
>because such an event probably only occurs once in an average life time,
>when no one on this list would classify a category 4 cyclone as a freak.
>
>I believe the public is more intelligent than you give credit...
>
>BTW this is nothing personal. I just believe we have a collective
>responsibility to educate on such matters, rather than point fingers.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David.
>
>                                                              
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As Geoff said, depends on your inclination; for me my love for snow (at 
least a metre of it) and storms (severe thunderstorms not the regular though 
boring tropical variety) would mean I'd pretty much be a vagrant over the 
course of a year.

Winter: Melbourne for an easy weekends skiing, decent sea -level cold-air 
action, and the vibe of the city itself.

Spring/Summer: For juicy storms, hover around the area defined by Singleton 
- Armidale - Dorrigo - Newcastle  (beautiful temperate + subtropical 
rainforest, kayaking etc).

Autumn: Upper Blue Mountains, NSW - just love the way the cool seasons kicks 
in up there.

For a fixed address though, I can't go past Sydney despite it going 
megalopolis. Without doubt some of the most violent and photogenic 
thunderstorms in the country are on offer during the spring-summer period. 
Fishing is pretty good too!  Also, to experience a 'real' autumn / winter, 
the nearby Blue Mountains are hard to beat.
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>sensation n. 7a. a state of excited feeling or interest caused among a
>number of persons or throughout a community by some occurrence, etc.
>
>I think we've got a bee in our bonnet:
>a. an obsession
>b. a slightly crazy idea, attitude, fad, etc.
>
>Laurier

You are writing in non sequiturs Laurier ;-) actually, as usual, you do make 
perfect sense. Severe thundestorms in particular are, as we all know, very 
localised events even though they occur not infequently over the 
metropolitan area as a whole. Every year storms blow the roof of a few 
houses, break some glass etc somewhere in Sydney. Every several years they 
do quite a bit more.  However, they usually don't do it to the same house 
very often and I'm sure if you asked the rooFLess people (not talking about 
the media) or the people watching the news who only 20kms away got nothing 
but a few rumbles, they would certainly consider it a 'very unusual' event. 
The weather events that make news headlines are generally of the freaky 
variety. As an outsider, the Chikasha-Bridge Creek-Moore OKC F5 tornado of 
May 1999, was surely a freak event to the residents, even in that part of 
the world.

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>I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW.

I Agree (I am new to this list, Hello All).


I live in Tamworth NSW, I work for TAFE and sometimes travel up to
Boggabilla via Gunnedah, Narrabri, Moree etc.

The roads are great for following storms. North of Gunnedah to the
Boggabilla is 100% flat and you can see storms as far away as 700 klms.

The storm activity and visibility is great here, we can see storms brewing
over the Liverpool ranges to the south down as far as Scone and west to
Bourke and Down to Qld.

Northpower have a great Storm Tracker page
(http://www.northpower.com.au/wrs/nthpower.nsf/html/tracker.html) that
allows me to monitor storms 24 hrs a day.

We get storms popup over the great dividing range that mix with our hot
country air and they usually brew into big storms.

I will try and get snapshots of good old country storms and post them when I
can.

As usual I will keep my eyes skyward and try not to loose my custard.

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Cornelius" <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live


> Hi all,
>
> This really is a difficult question...there are so many great areas.
> However, I am going to ignore political boundaries here, because I
> believe that SE QLD and NE NSW have very similar weather and geography,
> and are really the same weather wise.  It's only split by a political
> state border, weather wise it doesn't change over the area.  So for
> thunderstorms, I would vote for the combined area of SE QLD and NE NSW.
> These are great chasing areas (as far as roads/views go), and no doubt
> have the storms to match.  Even on marginal days, the ranges often
> assist in providing the extra lift needed to produce even just a Cb or
> three to look at.  Not to mention coastal shower/Cb events which always
> make it interesting in the SE'ly.  And even the winter SW'lies can be
> fun when they rip through at gale force!
>
> But to throw a spanner into the works...I do admit that I have a
> fascination with Melbourne weather (yes, I need help...)  The weather in
> Melbourne/Vic is extremely dynamic - something that I find exciting!
> And I think that'd it'd certainly be interesting living down there to
> experience the plethora of different weather setups!
>
> "Stratocumulus - not just a cloud, but a way of life!"  :-)
>
> AC
>
> > dann weatherhead wrote:
> >
> > Hey everyone!
> >
> > During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> > best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> > question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
> > the aussie weather forum.
> >
> > So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see
> > Magnolia?).
> >
> > So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
> > the votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town
> > of Australia ?
> >
> > This should be interesting.
> >
> > dann
> > __________________________
> > Daniel Weatherhead
> > Blaxland, NSW
> > weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > www.sydneystormchasers.com
>
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
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<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=1>I have to say that in the form of 'weather', I 
can't go past where I'm living now. Skiing in&nbsp;some of the best snow on 
Earth (Colorado) and major storms in the spring, all no more than 2 hours from 
here. I went on my first storm chase yesterday on the plains - nothing really 
amazing, a cold stratus deck got sucked into our cell - actually we were 
standing in the inflow with 30-40mph sustained winds and we turned around and 
over 5 minutes watched/felt the cold humid air get sucked in and, 10 minutes 
later, no storm. Admittedly, we knew this was highly likely but after a 4 month 
winter, and I mean a winter no Australian can comprehend unless they have been 
in that type of environment, a&nbsp;5% chance was good enough. Hail was reported 
in Cheyenne, Wyo.  </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=1>Plus of the day - I have now been to 5 states of 
the US and seen&nbsp;two nuclear launch sites - defiantly cool!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=1>Where would I live? Melbourne - how great is our 
town!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Courier size=1>Cheers, Lyle</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It's interesting that no one is yet to mention 
  Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia or Northern 
  Territory.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it really depends on what your personal 
  definition is.&nbsp; If we go by the definition below with storms, cold 
  fronts, etc, etc below then I guess certain parts of Victoria are just as good 
  in terms of "the lot" as anywhere in any state.&nbsp; One place that spring to 
  mind is Wonthaggi which is located about 100km SE of Melbourne.&nbsp; The 
  number of notable weather events in that area in the last 5 years (let alone 
  the last 50) surprises me.&nbsp; 6 waterspouts, a severe microburst, exteme 
  sustained winds from strong low pressure systems and cold fronts, hot in 
  summer, cold in winter, severe storms (inc. one which dumped golf ball hail on 
  the town), snow...well not in Wonthaggi itself but in the ranges within 30 
  mins drive yes.&nbsp; Only a few bad points - chasing isn't great in the area 
  and the warm season doesn't last overly long.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally, I would love to live in many many 
  places around Australia and my love for the weather would ensure that I'd be 
  happy with anywhere I lived.&nbsp; Whether it be Thargomindah in Western QLD, 
  Singleton in the Lower Hunter, Grafton in NE NSW, Albany in SW 
  WA,&nbsp;Woomera in SA, Hobart in TAS or Castlemaine in VIC, wherever my life 
  takes me my love for the weather will follow.&nbsp; I'd be happy with frosts 
  in Murtoa, hail in Lismore, lightning at Adelaide River, snow at Falls Creek 
  or sunsets in Shark Bay.&nbsp; The perfect place to live for weather for me is 
  anywhere.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thankyou,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Macca</FONT></DIV>
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    <A href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au" 
    title=weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>dann weatherhead</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com" 
    title=aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:10 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: The Perfect Place to 
    Live</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey everyone!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During a discussion on IRC, a question was 
    raised by Nick Sykes on the best place to live in Australia weather-wise. 
    This a very complex question, so i thought, what better place to ask that 
    question than&nbsp;in the aussie weather forum. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking 
    year round weather. Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts&nbsp;rain, wind, snow, 
    sleet, tropical storms-cyclones&nbsp;and the occasional falling frog (anyone 
    see Magnolia?). </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So plead your case, and after the talking has 
    died down, we will tally the votes and we&nbsp;will&nbsp;find out&nbsp;what 
    you think is the best weather town of Australia ?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This should be interesting.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel 
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    href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>SYDNEY 
    STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
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From: Mario Paul <stormtwist at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
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The Hunter Valley because its close enough to Sydney
(I love the vibe of the city). Close to the blue mts
(lovely place), not far to go north from there to
chase
in nth nsw, and of course the hunter itself gets some
great storms too! Did I mention the wineries? :)


--- Geoff Thurtell <gthurtel at ihug.com.au> wrote:
> Sorry, meant TDU2000 below!
> Geoff
> >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:48:18 +1000
> >To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >From: Geoff Thurtell <gthurtel at ihug.com.au>
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >
> >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the
> messages that we see on 
> >this list, most areas get interesting weather at
> some time during the year.
> >
> >For me personally, as I get older I would like to
> move further north from 
> >western Sydney as I seem to be getting less
> tolerant of the freezing 
> >winter mornings. Michael Thompson's suggestion of
> Maleny would suit me, 
> >probably when I get closer to retiring.
> >
> >One town that has not been mentioned yet is
> Tenterfield in northern NSW. 
> >By my criteria, it would not pass for winter...too
> cold and crisp, 
> >although it would be nice to visit when it is
> snowing. I just felt when we 
> >visited there during TDU2001, that it seemed to be
> a nice safe town but 
> >also a good location to start chasing in any
> direction around northern NSW 
> >and SE Queensland during summer.
> >
> >Sigh!...looks like I'll need two houses in my old
> age...summer in 
> >Tenterfield, winter on the Sunshine Coast...
> >
> >Geoff Thurtell
> >At 06:10 PM 4/04/01 +1000, dann weatherhead wrote:
> >>Hey everyone!
> >>
> >>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised
> by Nick Sykes on the 
> >>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This
> a very complex 
> >>question, so i thought, what better place to ask
> that question than in 
> >>the aussie weather forum.
> >>
> >>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking
> year round weather. 
> >>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow,
> sleet, tropical 
> >>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog
> (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >>
> >>So plead your case, and after the talking has died
> down, we will tally 
> >>the votes and we will find out what you think is
> the best weather town of 
> >>Australia ?
> >>
> >>This should be interesting.
> >>
> >>dann
> >>__________________________
> >>Daniel Weatherhead
> >>Blaxland, NSW
>
>><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >>SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
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>><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>www.sydneystormchasers.com
> 
> 
> 
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G'day all,

Had to put one of my Zen readings up for a gander, even Buddha likes storm
chasing. :)

"The sentimental lover of nature only sees one side of her face; when it is
wet he goes indoors and speaks of the delightful hissing of rain on the
leaves. He does not let it trickle down his neck."

Alan Watts.


Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Having been in most of Oz at one time or another, I shall add a 
hearty "Amen!" to the bit I haven't snipped below.
Wherever I have lived - and it's been a lot of places now - I have loved 
the weather.
I have lived in Hong Kong more than twelve years now and been through 
dozens of typhoons.  In 1999 we had four direct hits and I experienced 
eye passage twice!  Been almost dead since then though.
The disadvantages, though, are the incredible cost of living in this 
place and the extreme busyness that often keeps you at meetings somewhere 
when you would love to be out monitoring that storm...
For storm chasing there are few roads and only a very small territory to 
cover without crossing international borders or running into the sea.  I 
can drive to the extreme end of this country in any direction in half an 
hour.  And the entire country has a blanket 50 km/h speed limit except on 
the few freeways.
But we are blessed with huge numbers of storms which come and visit us, 
even if we can't chase them very far.
Typhoons, tornados, waterspouts, thunderstorms, rainstorms, hailstorms, 
gale-force monsoons, we get 'em all right here.
No snow though!

Anyone coming over?

Phil
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> > >I vote for anywhere in Australia! Just from the
> > messages that we see on 
> > >this list, most areas get interesting weather at
> > some time during the year.
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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G'day Laurier and all,

Yes, I certainly second that nomination or is it third it, after Daniel? I
couldn't have put it any better myself, Laurier.

Actually, its really funny as yesterday (the day of these posts) marks the
27th anniversary of the day I vowed I would come back to live here. Whilst
jogging along the Govetts Leap track (When the lookout was still opened) in
1974, I inscribed my initials and the date on a tree. The initials have
faded but the tree is still there and I can't believe I am now living here.
It was something I had planned to do around 2030 but got in a few years
earlier than expected after we "Bit the bullet" and moved to Blackheath in
1997. At the time, we had no jobs to rely on, just some handy pay out money.
We viewed it as a holiday and planned to return to Sydney if we couldn't
find work here.

Now, we have jobs, own our home, and...we have Blackheath.

By crikey, we are lucky.


Lindsay Pearce
PS: I know it wasn't a good idea to 'rough up' the tree, I was only eight at
the time.

Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au

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Big snip...

> Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue Mountains, NSW!  It's one of the
> reasons I chose to live here.
>
> That said, we have some really nice days too, along with four
> full-blooded seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark
> Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the
> weather, wait five minutes."
>
> Laurier
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<DIV>One word for all those on TDU99............Thargomindah &lt;G&gt;</DIV>
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  <DIV 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to 
  Live</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Dunno.................<BR><BR>Personally I like Darwin 
  :)<BR><BR>Max<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Matt Smith" 
  &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:tornado at bigpond.net.au">tornado at bigpond.net.au</A>&gt;<BR>To: 
  &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A>&gt;<BR>Sent: 
  Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 PM<BR>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to 
  Live<BR><BR><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; This is really hard....<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Id have 
  to go the general Grafton area i think with roads to shoot 
  up<BR>further<BR>&gt; into NE NSW.<BR>&gt; Lots of severe storms and rain 
  events, with floods as well, and a nice<BR>drive<BR>&gt; towards Dorrigo and 
  the northern tablelands for snow events.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Lots and lots of 
  close seconds....bathurst, bowral, lower hunter, glen<BR>innes, SE<BR>&gt; 
  QLD.. could go on and on.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Matt Smith<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; dann 
  weatherhead wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Yeah, I will second that Laurier. 
  Actually i think the Katoomba-Lithgow<BR>area<BR>&gt; &gt; is pretty damn 
  great place to be for all round year action.<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  dann<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; Well, it has to be Blackheath, Blue 
  Mountains, NSW!&nbsp; It's one of the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; reasons I chose to 
  live here.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 1. Five to 10 days of snow each 
  winter, sometimes enough to close the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; highway, very 
  occasionally enough to isolate the town for a few days<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 2. Frosts in winter, occasional blazing norwesters in 
  summer, complete<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; with bushfires<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; &gt; 3. Westerly gales for days from August to October guaranteed to 
  send<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; you scurrying home to the fireside while avoiding 
  falling trees<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 4. Pea-soup fogs rolling in 
  on the seabreeze front and every<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; southeasterly 
  change<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 5. Breeding ground for lots of 
  storms we later export, secondhand, in<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; the direction of 
  Sydney<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 6. Days of heavy rain when ECLs or 
  troughs bring the wind in from the<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; ESE to ENE (though it 
  must be said a lack of flash flooding, as we're<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; on a ridge 
  top)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 7. Days of heavy rain from inland 
  systems moving coastwards, including<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; recurving 
  ex-TCs<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 8. Independent validation of our 
  foul weather by vandals that persist<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; in changing our station 
  nameboards from BLACKHEATH to LACKHEAT or<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  BLEAKHEATH.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; No falling frogs or fish yet, 
  but we're working on it.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; That said, we 
  have some really nice days too, along with four<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; full-blooded 
  seasons and weather best summed up in the words of Mark<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  Twain's description of New England (USA) -- "If you don't like the<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; &gt; weather, wait five minutes."<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  Laurier<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; (who's hoping Lindsay will second the 
  nomination)<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:10:14 
  +1000, "dann weatherhead"<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<A 
  href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A>&gt; 
  wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Hey everyone!<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised 
  by Nick Sykes on<BR>the<BR>&gt; &gt; best place to live in Australia 
  weather-wise. This a very complex<BR>question,<BR>&gt; &gt; so i thought, what 
  better place to ask that question than in the aussie<BR>&gt; &gt; weather 
  forum.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;So we can outline the 
  specifics, we are talking year round weather.<BR>&gt; &gt; Storms, 
  cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see 
  Magnolia?).<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;So plead your case, 
  and after the talking has died down, we will<BR>tally<BR>&gt; &gt; the votes 
  and we will find out what you think is the best weather town<BR>of<BR>&gt; 
  &gt; Australia ?<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;This should be 
  interesting.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;dann<BR>&gt; &gt; 
  &gt; &gt;__________________________<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Daniel 
  Weatherhead<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;Blaxland, NSW<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 
  &gt;weatherhead at ozemail.com.au<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;SYDNEY STORM 
  CHASERS<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;www.sydneystormchasers.com<BR>&gt; &gt; 
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<DIV><SPAN class=690274223-04042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Darwin 
of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines, multi-cells, lightning 
capital of australia if not the world,&nbsp; TC's, earthquakes, more rainfall in 
6 months then most of you southerners get in 12 months, laid back lifestyle, 
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If perfection means variety, how could you go past south central Victoria;
Geelong-Bellarine Peninsula-Surf Coast?  We've got it all (almost!) -
floods, droughts, heat waves, bushfires, strong winds, hail, flash floods,
lightning strikes (2 deaths and 8 injuries in the last 3 years), rough seas,
3 tornadoes or funnels in the last 12 months, average 3 severe storms every
summer, with the occasional snow (every 20 years), dust storms, red rain,
fogs, frosts, and yes, even falling frogs and fish!
Lindsay Smail.

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Canberra has some interesting weather at times:

Storms, heat, fires, drought, flash floods, snow, frost, lots of fogs and 
beautiful mist formations around the lake and Brindabellas. The interaction 
of the sea-breeze front in summer with the congestus over the ranges is also 
fascinating. We certainly do get 4 distinct seasons.

Unfortunately, like most parts of inland Australia, we also have long 
periods (such as the present) where not much happens. Canberra also suffers 
from a rain shadow effect (although not as severely as the nearby Monaro) 
which limits some of the more interesting weather coming in from the SW and 
SE in particular.

I think that somewhere like Batlow or Tumbarumba would have more interesting 
weather less affected by rain shadows (more snow, more storms and more 
rain). Too much higher and I would say it becomes too cool to live 
comfortably and you would miss a lot of the interesting weather because you 
wouldn't see it for the fog and low cloud.

Victoria has interesting weather but is also subject (especially in the 
south) to long periods of seemingly endless stratocumulus...

I often think it is a pity (with current climate patterns and locations of 
other land masses oceans staying the same) that Australia is not 10 degrees 
further south. I am sure that would give us a more similar set-up to the US 
- with good continental polar airmass potential in the south in winter, 
whilst retaining access to tropical moisture for storm fuel is late spring 
summer. The continent would then provide an ideal playground for the 
interaction of these airmasses.

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Lower hunter, maybe Maitland or Muswellbrook.  Watching the radar this past
summer and there has been easily a half dozen or more king sized storms go
through that area.   All we need is a road from Muswellbrook crossing the
Barringtons to Gloucster and you'd have the best chase track in Australia.

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Hi All,
I thought I'd join in the fun and list some reasons (backed up with a few
pics) why I think the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau (just near Lismore) is
the best place to live. I have too much spare time, so don't read the
massive email if you don't have the time.
The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of
the things you can see sometimes around here.
Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another
lovely day.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg
Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the
valley.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg
Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out
of a cloud
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg
Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a
'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain
more 'fun'.
Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can
go down to have a look.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg
Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or
more.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg
Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but
two. Both heading directly for you!
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg
Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over
your head.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg
Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster
has come through.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg
Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain
is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off.
Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in
the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new
meaning to kite flying.
Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river
flowing below you.
Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg
Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or
around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll
spend the day in 40-degrees plus
This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe
that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch
the weather!!
Sorry the email was so long!
Dave Ellem

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Are you in the tourism industry?

Love your work.

Andrew.

Dave Ellem wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I thought I'd join in the fun and list some reasons (backed up with a few
> pics) why I think the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau (just near Lismore) is
> the best place to live. I have too much spare time, so don't read the
> massive email if you don't have the time.
> The weather watching from this area is really spectacular. These are some of
> the things you can see sometimes around here.
> Sometimes you'll look out the window and see the clear blue sky, another
> lovely day.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0405de03.jpg
> Sometimes you'll look out the window to see the showers falling in the
> valley.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
> Sometimes you'll look out the window and see a shelf cloud heading your way.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1227de09.jpg
> Sometimes you'll walk into the kitchen and see a large funnel dropping out
> of a cloud
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0129de01.jpg
> Sometimes you'll come home from school to look at radar and see a
> 'sub-tropical cyclone' centering just of the coast, making the wind and rain
> more 'fun'.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to the news that Lismore has flooded, and you can
> go down to have a look.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0202de03.jpg
> Sometimes you'll see anvils in the distance. Not 1, not 2, maybe three or
> more.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de05.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de06.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/1212de09.jpg
> Sometimes you'll take a trip down the road and see a supercell, not one but
> two. Both heading directly for you!
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de15.jpg
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de22.jpg
> Sometimes you'll be driving along and see a guster like this blowing over
> your head.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de31.jpg
> Sometimes you'll find large hail lying around the place, after the guster
> has come through.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0117de33.jpg
> Sometimes when you wake up in the morning and fall asleep at night, the rain
> is falling hard, and makes you want to curl up in bed and drift off.
> Sometimes a westerly blows up, and manages to suspend you and you friend in
> the air, while you hold up a large blanket. The westerly also gives a new
> meaning to kite flying.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a fog filled valley that looks like a river
> flowing below you.
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a view like this.
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0118de02.jpg
> Sometimes you'll wake up to a 5-degree morning that keeps you in bed, or
> around the fire until absolutely necessary to move and sometimes you'll
> spend the day in 40-degrees plus
> This is what weather watching is all about to me, and that is why I believe
> that the Alstonville/Wollongbar Plateau is the best place to live, and watch
> the weather!!
> Sorry the email was so long!
> Dave Ellem
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:10:26 +1000
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I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
per day at the same time.
After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
winter - that's a down side.
Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
endless dreaming.
In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
Don White
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> Maui.
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Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:32:11 +1000
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Hi Michael,

As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of weather 
system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what I 
have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to 
go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:44 PM 4/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>My vote is close to Jimmy also. I would actually choose Glen Innes. I 
>would lose about 2/3 of Dorrigo's rainfall but probably pick up a higher 
>rate of severe storms ( I think that the Dorrigo area often goes off too 
>early  ). There is also the chance of winter snow, not to mention frosts 
>by the dozen. Glen Innes is a safe looking town, large enough to have 
>amenities, but still small enough to be friendly. From Glen Innes you 
>could strike out west to Inverell quickly, to the Darling downs in 2 hours 
>or to Grafton in 2 hours. An alternative would be Stanthorpe in Queensland.
>
>If higher rainfall and a warmer climate were your priorities my second 
>vote would to Maleny just west of the sunshine coast and Nambour, on a 
>plateau overlooking the Glasshouse Mountains. High rainfall measured in 
>metres, and within 1 hour chasing distance of some of Australia's tornado 
>hotspots such as Gympie.
>
>Michael
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>dann weatherhead
>To: <mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com>aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2001 18:10
>Subject: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
>Hey everyone!
>
>During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the 
>best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex 
>question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in the 
>aussie weather forum.
>
>So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather. 
>Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical 
>storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
>
>So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally the 
>votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of 
>Australia ?
>
>This should be interesting.
>
>dann
>__________________________
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Wowie, The wet side or the dry side ?

Michael

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> Maui.
>
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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Carl and others</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I notice Evariste Tempete Tropicale Moderee 
(Moderate Tropical Storm Evariste) formed in that eastern low in the far eastern 
Indian Ocean after taking a 180 degree U-turn overnight, while the low to the 
west seems to be suffering shearing from the north west.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Walter to passing nail bitingly close to Xmas 
Island despite being in a weakening&nbsp; mode (Cat 2).</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>NT low looks like passing overland.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Which still leaves me interested in that low now 
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Hi ppls,

Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all 
year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing 
awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and 
the winds, well lets just leave it at that.

PS 
Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.............................................

regards

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Evening all,

I'm pleased that I didn't respond to this question earlier, because your
responses have allowed me to fill in my calendar.

A mobile home would be my preferred place of residence (if I wasn't working the
hours that I am at present).  Equipped with a computer, I would work when there
wasn't any significant weather in the area & chase on the days that there was.
The hardest decision would be "where do I go next?"

The calendar could be something like this: July - Perth & the SW for tornadoes,
August - up through the Snowy Mountains & environs (snow / sleet & frost), late
spring: northern slopes, tablelands & coast of NSW including SE
Queensland....aaah the plains storms of Mullaley, Gunnedah, Muswellbrook, Glen
Innes & northwards........up the coast (rain) & then across to Darwin for a
month or two of tropical weather & then off to the Plains of Oklahoma & Texas
for a month or two............and the best thing about this timetable?  It isn't
a timetable - I can go where the weather is...if the jet is further north than
usual, then so might I be.....none of this having to call everyone else
'bastards' because you have the weather that I want........

...all I have to do now (amongst other things) is work out how to pay for my
petrol bill now we know how far we can actually drive in a
weekend...........<sigh>  Anthony, can you let me know if you win that raffle
please!!!!!

Jane
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cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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Is there a Maui in Australia?

I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...

Also - why Maui?

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> Maui.
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Subject: [ Aussie Wx List ] Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
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My reasons for Maui
Maximum weather variability per square metre!
As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You
can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes.
Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like
the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the
semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but
can occur.
The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and
mid-latitude climates both wet and dry.
Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side.
Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores.
The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at
places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa.
Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994.
All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a
day.
If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike.

Mark

> From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 04:10:26 +1000
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> 
> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
>> 
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<P>Yeah Jimmy must be good for t'storms.&nbsp; Stayed at a guest house there in '95 which has a purpose built room with 180 degrees of windows just for watching storms - Tallawallah Retreat I think it's called.</P>
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For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
per annum...

Don White wrote:
> 
> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
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> > Maui.
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At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was 
wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
>per annum...
>
>Don White wrote:
> >
> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > per day at the same time.
> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > winter - that's a down side.
> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > endless dreaming.
> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > Don White
> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
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> > > Maui.
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At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Is there a Maui in Australia?
>
>I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...
>
>Also - why Maui?

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>
>> Maui.

It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast

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At 18:07 5/04/01 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi ppls,
>
>Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all 
>year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing 
>awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and 
>the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>
>PS 
>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.........................................
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>
>regards
>
>Andrew 

Shall we all Storm Chasers move there.
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My reasons for Maui
Maximum weather variability per square metre!
As Don said 200mm to 10,000mm of rain per annum in a distance of 10km. You
can be driving along and pass through several climate zones in 5 minutes.
Mt Haleakeala at 10,033 feet has an alpine-like climate and a landscape like
the moon at the top. Snow is rare but happens. It sits above the
semi-permanent trade wind inversion. Thunderstorms are not very common but
can occur.
The slopes of Haleakela pass through everything, tropical, subtropical and
mid-latitude climates both wet and dry.
Tradewinds blow 30kts constantly on the windward side.
Perfectly still sunshine on the leeward shores.
The worlds biggest swell provide some of the worlds most awesome surf at
places like JAWS, Honalua Bay, Ma'alea and Ho'okipa.
Hurricanes are rare but one passed through when I was there in 1994.
All on an Island about 100km in length. You can easily drive around it in a
day.
If you are bored with the weather on Maui you only need to take a hike.

Mark

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> 
> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
>> 
>> Maui.
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Definitely not THAT Maui.
MH

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| At 18:55 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
| >Is there a Maui in Australia?
| >
| >I know there is a tropical group of islands of something...
| >
| >Also - why Maui?
|
| >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
| >
| >
| >> Maui.
|
| It's the name of an oil rig off the Taranaki coast
|
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> >Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> >year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> >awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses 
>and
> >the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >
> >PS
> >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.........................................
> >
> >regards
> >
> >Andrew
>
>Shall we all Storm Chasers move there.
>Better fun than boring old planet Earth

the equatorial jet stream of Jupiter  is thought to be in the order of 
30,000 kms wide and moving at up to 400km/hr - but a rather zonal flow. 
Also, would bet it is hard going chasing on that metallic hydrogen. dont 
know  about the hail though!!

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Hey Don,

I suspect some places on the West Coast of the south island could definatly
be up there with rainfall gradients but probbaly not the sunshine ;)

Cya


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> I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> per day at the same time.
> After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> winter - that's a down side.
> Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> endless dreaming.
> In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> Don White
> "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> >
> > Maui.
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Hey andrew,

i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.

cheers, lyle


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> Hi ppls,
>
> Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
> the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>
> PS
>
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>
> regards
>
> Andrew
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And for my second favourite place to reside...and most of you will hate me
for this :)

Fairbanks, Alaska.

With climate change impacting on all of us, by the time I retire, it should
be just about perfect there, not that it isn't already.
I've seen pics of ice fog and -50C on new years eve there.

Bewdiful.

Lindsay Pearce
PS: I've gotta say though, Jane's caravan idea (Me, a Winnebago with a
trailer for the car etc) is pretty spiffy. Even my partner is keen on that
one, whohoo!
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Hi all,

Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu! 
TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next
24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds.

Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/
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Anthony

Any pronunciation guesses: Sosee Sozee Zozee Something else ?



Simon

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> Hi all,
>
> Looking at JTWC, they have named the tropical low to the N of Vanuatu!
> TC Sose, JTWC have it tracking WSW and then SW to SSW in the next
> 24-48hrs slowly intensifying to 70kn winds.
>
> Fiji's ocean wind warning suggest it to turn SE soon though :/
> --
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Id have to agree with Paul on this one. Darwin is 
such a great place even when its the dry season. Ive been there twice and seen 
Kakudu in both the wet and the dry and I must say it is one of my favourite 
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  size=2>Darwin of course! Gale force monsoons, gulf lines, squall lines, 
  multi-cells, lightning capital of australia if not the world,&nbsp; TC's, 
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  months, laid back lifestyle, WARM all year round, and tax benefits for living 
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How about the summit weather station on Mt Washington, in the White
Mountains of New Hampshire in the USA.  World record straight line wind
speed.  World record rime formations.

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It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be
kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come
with its own searchlight ;)]


>At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
>wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
>>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
>>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
>>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
>>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
>>per annum...
>>
>>Don White wrote:
>> >
>> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
>> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
>> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
>> > per day at the same time.
>> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
>> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
>> > winter - that's a down side.
>> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
>> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
>> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
>> > endless dreaming.
>> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
>> > Don White
>> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Maui.
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Hi Lyle,

As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The 
reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the 
temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well 
cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...

Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.


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>
>Hey andrew,
>
>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
>
>cheers, lyle
>
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> > Hi ppls,
> >
> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses 
>and
> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >
> > PS
> >
>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
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Laurier I would reiterate my point that this is all a mater of perspective.
In respect of the Dictionary either argument could be equally supported.
From "6. unusual; odd; irregular" a storm of this severity may be odd or
unusual from the perspective of the residents but with 100s or 1000s of
similar storms occurring around Australia in a single year it could equally
be view as not being "unusual, odd, or irregular".

My point is that sometimes you need to consider the perspective from which
the point is being made. It might seem insensitive, but most people are
pretty decent, and Steve's comments downplaying the "freakishness of the
storm" would seem to be more of a educational point rather than an
insensitive jibe at affected parties. 

That said... I guess the MAIN concern I have with the introduction of words
such as "freak" is that it allows a disowning or justification for
ill-preparedness. A classic recent example is the flooding of parts of
Cairns CBD about a month ago associated with Spring Tides. These were widely
quoted as freak, but such an event is an annual occurrence (and while this
might have been partly enhanced by the prevailing atmospheric situation),
anybody who has seen this area knows such a event is just waiting to happen.
Another one that comes to mind is the Yarra flood disaster waiting to happen
around central Melbourne. For example, if we were to have a 1934 style flood
(which is almost a certainty) you would expect that billions of dollars
worth of real-estate around the Yarra River will be inundated. When this
happens, one can guarantee that there will be all manner of superlatives
applied including "freak" and "record" and associated calls for Government
hand-outs when we know it is a statistical certainty that this type of event
will happen again. I guess my views come out of my time in climate/climate
forecasting where everything is viewed from a probability point of view,
which really doesn't allow for the categorical labels such as "freak". From
this perspective the occurrence of an event is a "certainty" provided you
live long enough.

I should add that this is all my personal view.

Regards,

David.

                                                              
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>From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live

>I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
>10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
>it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
>per day at the same time.
>After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
>months of the year.

I think I'm with you on this one Don. There is some really nice real estate
on Flagstaff Hill from where I could happily spend many hours watching the
weather, though the down side is the PRICE.

Further south, I probably couldn't go past some of the Alpine Valley
locations on the eastern side of the Snowy's - Thredbo Village location is
nice but way to busy and snobbish. High rainfall, ripper frosts at any time
of year, the odd BIG dump of snow, and storms, but interspersed with those
great mountain day with brilliant sunshine and fantastic scenery. 

Outside of Australia, for wet and cold my vote would go for somewhere in
British Columbia, and for warm and wet I couldn't go past Maui or maybe
Hawaii proper (at least that way I could still get a ski in).

Cheers,

David.                     
                                                              
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Heya everyone,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well i have finally gotten my photos developed from 
the 28/02/01 ---the squall line day through sydney. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My scanner has been broken for about 4 months, but 
in a completely fluke effort yesterday, i fixed it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So here are some quite interesting 
pics....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This photo was taken over the turf farms over 
Richmond and Freemans Reach. This photo shows the far NE end of the squall line. 
This updraft was spinning like a top. In my days of chasing i have almost never 
seen a more dynamic updraft ( 13 nov 1998 was pretty awesome too!). It was in 
the right area&nbsp;for a supercell to form,&nbsp;it looked like a 
supercell,&nbsp;it smelled like a supercell, but whether it was i dunno.&nbsp;I 
think it may have been too short lived to&nbsp;be a supercell, although it was 
around for at least 60 minutes.&nbsp;You can see the outflow forming to the 
bottom right of the main updraft. The white shaft is 1-2 cm hail that dropped 
over Kurrajong Heights and Portland. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-01.jpg">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-01.jpg</A>&nbsp; 
35k</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-01big.jpg">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-01big.jpg</A>&nbsp;70k 
(fullscreen)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The next photo is a few minutes later with a more 
pronounced outflow</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-02.jpg">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-02.jpg</A>&nbsp;20k</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-02big.jpg">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/02-28-01-02big.jpg</A>&nbsp;70k</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar04.gif">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar04.gif</A>&nbsp;all 
around 130k</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar05.gif">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar05.gif</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar06.gif">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Matt/2001/02-28-01-radar06.gif</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To top it off, a bushfire!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Last thursday a pretty big bushfire burned away for 
most the day south of Glenbrook on the Lwer Blue Mountains. There was lots of 
pyrocumulus from this fire and at sunset it even gave some sooty smelling precip 
on our house at Blaxland. Anyway this is at about 3pm. Look at the rotation in 
the smoke plume!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
href="http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/bushfire.jpg">http://sydneystormchasers.com/pictures/Daniel/2001/bushfire.jpg</A>&nbsp;20k</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead 
<BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>SYDNEY 
STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
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Dann,

Your photos are wonderful, lucky you.  What sort of camera  do you use?

Judy Mayo

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Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out, 
shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which 
is orbiting Jupier now.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html

Andrew...


At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Lyle,
>
>As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The 
>reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the 
>temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may 
>well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
>
>Cheers,
>Kevin from Wycheproof.
>
>
>>From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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>>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
>>
>>Hey andrew,
>>
>>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
>>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
>>
>>cheers, lyle
>>
>>
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>>
>> > Hi ppls,
>> >
>> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
>> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
>> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses and
>> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
>> >
>> > PS
>> >
>>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
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All,

Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that
updates as often as possible)?

I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently
getting it from one of the BoM HTML pages so I have to use a function to
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:34:52 +1000
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Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW.

Andrew.


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> All,
> 
> Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that
> updates as often as possible)?
> 
> I am writing a program to graphically display the data, and am currently
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> filter out all the HTML and other garbage which is pretty messy.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Andrew.
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 17:28:35 +1000
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Andrew
You can get that data from the Bureau. They have a comma delimited text file
available by FTP updated every 15 minutes. The fee is $108.30 per year.

Mark

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> Sorry, I should add that to start with I want it for NSW.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 
> Andrew Miskelly wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Where can I get a simply formatted raw text format of the AWS data (that
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>> 
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>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Andrew.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interested peoples</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks impressive in latest sat pics, particularly 
bearing in mind yesterday's BoM TC outlook predicting no development and a path 
well away from Qld. They may still be spot on the second 
prediction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think it all depends on how far Sose gets toward 
the west before a southward movement. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Continued westward movement would see steady 
strengthening, while a southward path would probably see unfavourable upper 
winds ????????</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nonetheless, I think the surf will soon be up along 
the south coast for all those who are so inclined.</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:28:34 +1000
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It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....

Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> 
> At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> >per annum...
> >
> >Don White wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > per day at the same time.
> > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > endless dreaming.
> > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > Don White
> > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maui.
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I read that Jupiter has lightning bolts 30000 km in length.

Kevin Phyland wrote:
> 
> Hi Lyle,
> 
> As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
> reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
> temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may well
> cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin from Wycheproof.
> 
> >From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
> >
> >Hey andrew,
> >
> >i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but i
> >don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of hail.
> >
> >cheers, lyle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Andrew Wall" <astroman at chariot.net.au>
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> >
> >
> > > Hi ppls,
> > >
> > > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter, all
> > > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually producing
> > > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of houses
> >and
> > > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> > >
> > > PS
> > >
> >Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..........................................
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Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 19:30:55 +1000
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You could always install a fog horn....

Phil Bagust wrote:
> 
> It'll probably never happen, but wouldn't a Bellenden Ker weather cam be
> kinda cool [apart from being in cloud half the time, maybe it should come
> with its own searchlight ;)]
> 
> >At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> >wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara
> >
> >At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >>For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> >>So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> >>actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> >>good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> >>For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> >>per annum...
> >>
> >>Don White wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> >> > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place where
> >> > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> >> > per day at the same time.
> >> > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> >> > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> >> > winter - that's a down side.
> >> > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> >> > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> >> > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> >> > endless dreaming.
> >> > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> >> > Don White
> >> > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Maui.
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Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the
first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo
often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline
conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes
they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be
interesting.

Michael
>
> As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
weather
> system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what
I
> have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to
> go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
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Subject: aus-wx: The perfect place  to live - go and work there too
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Many of you say that Darwin is the place to be.

There are some Darwin jobs in the latest Commonwealth Government Gazette.
Most of the Centrelink jobs are now open to all, not just pubic servants and
many people are now recruited at levels well above base.

The work is crap and gone are the days when it was an easy job, but for a
single person the opportunities for travel are there. In the past 3 months
there has been jobs in Darwin, Townsville, Cairns, Tweed Heads and Port
Macquarie just to name a few very desirable locations....and you have the
weekends and afternoons to chase.

Address
is
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You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other 
day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the 
rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told 
my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently 
watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went 
in. I will have to review the amount.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
>wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
>With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
>looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
>prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....
>
>Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> >
> > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> > >per annum...
> > >
> > >Don White wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place 
> where
> > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > > per day at the same time.
> > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > > endless dreaming.
> > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > > Don White
> > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maui.
> > > > >
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> >
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Hi Michael,

Thanks for the clarification on that point. But I would also like to make 
my point a little clearer.

On days that we may consider pulse storm days or perhaps weak cap days, my 
judgement of this area is they still have the ability to fire. One prime 
example was the 4th November 2000 hailstorm at Dorrigo. Sure it was an 
unstable environment but there were many supercells that afternoon - in 
fact too many. So one would assume it was not idea for the best storms. I 
tell you what, when I got to Grafton that afternoon, I thought most of the 
activity was over but I was promised by Paul Graham that there was a very 
serious storm to the S. Hey starting from that area and moving generally 
north. Often these storms don't make it to Grafton but smash through the 
region around Nymboida. To my astonishment, after seeing one supercell 
drift north from near the area say NW of Dorrigo, this one that Paul Graham 
mention had a wall cloud. Trust me on this one, I often ask the locals in 
my storm chases and use my experience in judging exaggeration. I have found 
for the first time, almost every single local in that region talking of 
violent hailstorms of being almost "normal" occurrence. Obviously some 
years more than others. So why don't we know?

Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the 
northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries. 
They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated 
area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds in 
the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit the 
coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of 
the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as 
nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.

Now for the SE eradicator? Not so, often because of the shape of the 
escarpment, a SE flow with NE ahead of it can enhance at least briefly the 
prospect of storms in the area whereas Sydney and other areas tend to lose 
out in such situations.

Anyway enough of me. I am getting too excited just talking of the area. The 
only thing I can say is that if you don't go there, not even radar can give 
you an indication of how serious that area is to producing severe storm 
activity. I mean even talking to Michael Bath who first noticed this 
pattern and he has a person who lived in the area and suggests that severe 
storms are a regular occurrence. I actually had to visit there and hear the 
stories to really realise it.

I am definitely going to live there one day:)

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:13 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is the
>first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo
>often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline
>conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes
>they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be
>interesting.
>
>Michael
> >
> > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
>weather
> > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from what
>I
> > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is to
> > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
> >
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Subject: aus-wx: Strong Baroclinic development.
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000
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Hi all.
Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into  a  monster
and may push to cat 4/5  (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.

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Subject: aus-wx: SOSE to move south then more toward west
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The latest JTWC advice suggests a southward track 
followed by a more westerly movement late in the forecast period. Very slow 
moving though and still remaining way out&nbsp;in the eastern Coral Sea. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>They see improved structure, but I think the system 
has become a little bit elongated without a clear centre.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If it can escape what appears to be an upper drag 
to the south south east (Fiji Met predicted movement is to the SE), it may well 
become a very large westward moving system, but possibly not of great 
intensity&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BoM advised yesterday that it expected Sose to 
remain beyond 160 degrees. I can't see it getting beyond about 158 degrees at 
this stage even if it manages to steer around that high to its south south 
west&nbsp;(but bear in mind how close this line is SEQ).</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all,

Weird topic I know :)  But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on
what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC
season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" -
and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one
had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD
coast!)

Maybe we should do this for all our storm days.
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
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Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:46:01 +1000
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Hi Clyve,

I think the main factor is the shear - a fairly strong STJ is sitting
south of Sose (running at 80-90kn, although the shear tendancy is
weakening in this area) I thinkt he effects of the STJ can be seen on
the sat pics, on its current track it is going to go into increasingly
unfavourable shear, which may curb its intensification, however has
Simon pointed out, it JTWC are suggesting a more westward movement which
could prove interesting - as there is a weakening of the STJ moving
through.  The BoM are expecting big swells on Monday and Tuesday for the
south QLD coast.  Fiji insist this system will recurve SE soon though.

The waters though can certainly support a monster - it really needs to
drift slowly westward to intensify into a significant TC - as southward
is not so favourable (although SST's are more than ample).  Currently it
is 985hPa.

It's certainly got my attention!  

AC

clyve herbert wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in
> response to a developing low south east of Esperance,also a nice cold air
> field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high
> cloud extending from the tropical disturbance over the top end of the NT.At
> the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern
> Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch
> on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into  a  monster
> and may push to cat 4/5  (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36
> hours if a westward motion is favoured it may sail close to the eastern side
> of Australia, although the major trough over the Bight may influence a more
> south to southeast movement by Sunday.regards Clyve Herbert.
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From: "Dorrell's" <keithd at lis.net.au>
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Michael,
I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the
exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even
though rare.
Keith Dorrell
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>
> I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM
> weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller
> areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge
> rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short distance
> inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.
>
> It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us on
> this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for some
> it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just
comfortable.
>
> For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore -
> Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note
> that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km ENE
> from the centre of Lismore.
>
> Reasons:
>
> - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
> - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
> - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like
> Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
> - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good
> percentage of supercells
> - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm
> chasing
> - large hail likely each season
> - violent winds likely each season
> - shelf clouds very common
> - hail drifts possible each season
> - tornadoes possible each season
> - flash floods possible each season
> - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
> - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
> - does get cold fronts
> - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
> - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
> - prone to East Coast Lows
> - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
> - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of mod-heavy
> shower activity
> - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and
> fine days
> - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W
gales
>
> Some disadvantages:
>
> - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
> - can get a bit hot and sticky
> - never snows
> - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
> - showery weather can hang around for weeks
> - fine weather can hang around for weeks
> - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases
>
> A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is
the
> best !
>
> regards, Michael
>
>
>
> At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hey everyone!
> >
> >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
the
> >aussie weather forum.
> >
> >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> >
> >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
the
> >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> >Australia ?
> >
> >This should be interesting.
> >
> >dann
> >__________________________
> >Daniel Weatherhead
> >Blaxland, NSW
> ><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
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From: "Pearce" <rpearce2 at bigpond.net.au>
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Keith,

Where is Mt Nardi?

Matt Pearce

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you would all probably know, Sose (apparently 
the popular&nbsp;pronunciation is "So-Say")&nbsp;has commenced a slight nudge 
toward the SSE. It appears the centre is sheared to the west of the upper 
structure at present. However this evening the unfavourable conditions to the 
south appear to be slackening its overall influence on the TC. I still think a 
SW movement will redevelop and BoM reflect this in their latest 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I just wish JTWC updated their advisories for us a 
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Anthony

I know what you mean.

Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been
making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer.

This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside
Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all.

Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather
interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of
me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack !

It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in
interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my
thoughts.


Regards
Simon

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> Hi all,
>
> Weird topic I know :)  But 10 days ago, I was hounded by my parents on
> what will happen to our TC's...in frustration and in light of a poor TC
> season I responded with a "There will not be anymore TC's this season" -
> and as soon as I said that, I realised that within the next 2 weeks, one
> had to form somewhere off the QLD coast (even if it is way off the QLD
> coast!)
>
> Maybe we should do this for all our storm days.
> --
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> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
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It might be a meteorological version of Schrodinger's Cat..something to
do with not being able to prove it's there because you didn't see it...?
I just forget the whole thing for now (probably just as well) but it's
in the realm of quantum physics.
Seriously though, it's a real problem having to interpolate/extrapolate
data due to accidental circumstances. One of the worst things that could
happen for me in the data measurement area is to accidentally spill the
rainwater when measuring it. I suppose one could resort to using the
official record if the official station isn't too far away. But this is
one reason why I never go on holidays as the readings would be missed.
Too fanatical I suppose...

Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> You sense of humour never seems to amaze me. I had a situation the other
> day where we had rain but I was wondering (just subconsiously) that the
> rainfall was surprising. Well it happened the next morning that I was told
> my father watering the garden and perhaps say dreaming a little accidently
> watered the inside of the raingauge. I am at a loss now as to how much went
> in. I will have to review the amount.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 07:28 PM 6/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >It would keep a lawn mowing firm gainfully employed, and as for the wee
> >wee, I had that problem at Dulwich Hill in 1963, but from a pet dog.
> >With the rain gauge showing 2.5mm after a fine clear night, and that not
> >looking like rain water, the weather log for that day was suitably and
> >prominently endorsed 'dog's mess interference'....
> >
> >Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> > >
> > > At Bellenden Kerr, the bloody rain gauge would be covered in moss.. I was
> > > wondering if they actually do a wee wee in the rain gauge?
> > >
> > > Jimmy Deguara
> > >
> > > At 08:42 PM 5/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > > >For lovers of heavy rainfall where else in Australia but Bellenden Ker?
> > > >So what if there's only a telephone tower there.....or do people
> > > >actually live nearby/on the mountain etc? The climate must be pretty
> > > >good in terms of temperature..wouldn't be too hot or cold?
> > > >For me it would be a dream come true to measure up to 11,000 mm of rain
> > > >per annum...
> > > >
> > > >Don White wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll 2nd Maui - where else in the world is there a rainfall gradient of
> > > > > 10 inches to 400 inches is 20 kms! Where else can you find a place
> > where
> > > > > it once rained on 467 consecutive days and averaged 5 hours of sunshine
> > > > > per day at the same time.
> > > > > After that, Port Douglas - great for sea Cu's and stream showers 9
> > > > > months of the year. and third, Maleny - storms, very heavy rains and no
> > > > > winter - that's a down side.
> > > > > Spring in Tuscany, autumn in Maine, or if we are desparate, Kambala -
> > > > > capitals of Uganda - the only city in the world with more than 240
> > > > > thunder days per year (but no godd for Jimmy - it never hails)....
> > > > > endless dreaming.
> > > > > In NSW I'll settled for NE suburbs of Sydney
> > > > > Don White
> > > > > "Mark Hardy (home)" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maui.
> > > > > >
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> > > NSW Australia
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> from
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:19:39 +1000
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I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
seen Deliverance the movie ?

>
> Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
in
> the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
the
> coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
>



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.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
& small branches falling that gets your attention <g>

Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
hours.  Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW.  Front currently
going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
& pinks!!)

Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT

500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.

Jane

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Hi Jane

Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide.  About 10mm of
moderate rain.  A short lived gusty period after midnight.  I woke to a
dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.

We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of
that.


>.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
>& small branches falling that gets your attention <g>
>
>Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
>hours.  Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
>speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
>northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
>from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW.  Front currently
>going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
>range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
>& pinks!!)
>
>Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
>STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
>ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
>HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
>100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
>ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
>
>500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
>
>Jane
>
>--------------------------------
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>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
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Hi Simon and all,

Has anyone noticed the slight transition of the air/atmosphere to a more
summer pattern?  I guess this is normal given it is autumn and is often
a mixture of winter and summer type scenarios...but still interesting
that DP's are back up around the high teens/20's - and the upper
atmosphere has warmed significantly, the CJ's yesterday were quite
summery looking on the ranges...not the coastal, soft showery Cu that
we've been having (possibly what prevented the windy, coastal shower
forecast you gave!)

Sose (thanks for the proncounciation, I've been pronouncing it
incorrectly as Soze!), looks as if it will turn towards the SSW/SW soon
- both JTWC and Fiji also agree on this now (Fiji has always been saying
SE until recently).  JTWC are forecasting it to hit 100kn by tomorrow -
but looking at the sat pics it still has a bit more work to do...it will
need to have a fair intensification to reach that!  Upper level
divergence is quite strong over the TC area...and the shear tendancy is
weakening to its south and more so SW.  The 850mb sat pics derived
vorticity tend to indicate a better circulation in the low levels, and
there's a very pronounced upper level anticyclone sitting just to the
west of Sose.

I think sometimes our forecasts are analogous to Murphy's Law of storm
chasing #12 - "If there are two storms, the one you head to will weaken
proportionally to the rate the other strengthens."  We should just keep
forecasting fine 365.25 days a year and enjoy storms each day in summer!

AC

Simon Clarke wrote:
> 
> Anthony
> 
> I know what you mean.
> 
> Many of my work mates regularly request forecasts from me and I have been
> making a bit of a 'banana' of myself this summer.
> 
> This weekend I suggested to one colleague -windy and showery in Bayside
> Brisbane - but today has been absolutely perfect - no rain at all.
> 
> Fortunately, most of my friends tend to be forgiving (they pass my weather
> interest off as a mad eccentricity). Fortunately, they are more forgiving of
> me than the people at BoM when their forecasts go spack !
> 
> It can sometimes be a bit of a gamble - but if it wasn't, would we all be in
> interested ? That's why I'm always prepared to look like a 'banana' for my
> thoughts.
> 
> Regards
> Simon
> 

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<x-flowed>
Yes,
I too remember being told about it 'snowing' in that area and that the 
community of Gonellabah (just next to Lismore) had sleet. My parents clearly 
remeber it!! For others wondering where Mount Nardi is, I'm pretty shore 
it's the tallest mountain in this photo, about the middle of the photo and 
hidden behind the rain curtain, but you can still make it out.
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0402de13.jpg
This shot is facing NNW from Wollongbar (also can be seen from MB's house at 
McLeans Ridges). Hope that helps.


>From: "Dorrell's" <keithd at lis.net.au>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:38:24 +1000
>
>Michael,
>I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, 
>the
>exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers 
>even
>though rare.
>Keith Dorrell
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Bath" <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 8:16 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
>
> >
> > I'm not sure you'll get a perfect town, but a region may be easier. BoM
> > weather districts are too large and geographically diverse, but smaller
> > areas could come up trumps. For example, coastal towns may get the huge
> > rainfall and moderating effect of the seabreeze, and only a short 
>distance
> > inland get much better thunderstorms and the extremes of hot and cold.
> >
> > It also depends on what you classify as "best" weather. For a lot of us 
>on
> > this list it means interesting and extreme or severe weather, but for 
>some
> > it will mean perfect days for outdoor activities and sport or just
>comfortable.
> >
> > For my definition of "best", I would nominate the Ballina - Lismore -
> > Casino area on the North Coast of NSW, or for a town just Lismore (note
> > that I live at McLeans Ridges, a rural locality not a town about 10km 
>ENE
> > from the centre of Lismore.
> >
> > Reasons:
> >
> > - extreme rainfall (> 200mm/day) events possible at any time of year
> > - accessible short duration flooding, including town centre inundations
> > - conformable temperatures most of the year, only a few days become like
> > Darwin build up, and only some very cold days
> > - plenty of thunderstorms, average of about 40 per year with a good
> > percentage of supercells
> > - a good selection of roads that are cleared of trees for regional storm
> > chasing
> > - large hail likely each season
> > - violent winds likely each season
> > - shelf clouds very common
> > - hail drifts possible each season
> > - tornadoes possible each season
> > - flash floods possible each season
> > - plenty of great vantage points to enjoy lightning
> > - coastal cold air CBs enhanced by warm ocean currents
> > - does get cold fronts
> > - prone to trough activity including from tropical origins
> > - beautiful valley fog many nights / mornings of the year
> > - prone to East Coast Lows
> > - prone to Coral Sea Lows, ex TCs and full blown sub-tropical TCs !
> > - blocking Southern Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of 
>mod-heavy
> > shower activity
> > - blocking Central Tasman Sea highs can give days and weeks of warn and
> > fine days
> > - Southern Ocean fronts can give weeks of fine sunny days with the odd W
>gales
> >
> > Some disadvantages:
> >
> > - lacks vigorous cold frontal activity
> > - can get a bit hot and sticky
> > - never snows
> > - rarely gets extremes of heat or cold
> > - showery weather can hang around for weeks
> > - fine weather can hang around for weeks
> > - nearby mountains with no roads can stuff up storm chases
> >
> > A bit long this email, but I guess we have to prove why the location is
>the
> > best !
> >
> > regards, Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > At 18:10 04/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> > >Hey everyone!
> > >
> > >During a discussion on IRC, a question was raised by Nick Sykes on the
> > >best place to live in Australia weather-wise. This a very complex
> > >question, so i thought, what better place to ask that question than in
>the
> > >aussie weather forum.
> > >
> > >So we can outline the specifics, we are talking year round weather.
> > >Storms, cold-fronts, warm-fronts rain, wind, snow, sleet, tropical
> > >storms-cyclones and the occasional falling frog (anyone see Magnolia?).
> > >
> > >So plead your case, and after the talking has died down, we will tally
>the
> > >votes and we will find out what you think is the best weather town of
> > >Australia ?
> > >
> > >This should be interesting.
> > >
> > >dann
> > >__________________________
> > >Daniel Weatherhead
> > >Blaxland, NSW
> > ><mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>weatherhead at ozemail.com.au
> > >SYDNEY STORM CHASERS
> > ><http://www.sydneystormchasers.com>www.sydneystormchasers.com
> >
> >
> >   =============================================================
> >   Michael Bath      mailto:mbath at ozemail.com.au
> >   McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
> >   NE NSW Australia  http://www.lightningphotography.com/
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:51:03 +1000
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Looks like there could be a low developing in western Bass Strait ..........

>
> >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> >
> >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
> >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> >Melbourne Storm Chasers
> >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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<x-flowed>
Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of 
the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and 
possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from 
a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind. 
Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to 
get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape 
right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and 
confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made 
way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a military 
base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting 
countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had 
laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to 
the Wx,  with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the 
ground at least.

regards

Andrew

At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
>Hi Jane
>
>Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide.  About 10mm of
>moderate rain.  A short lived gusty period after midnight.  I woke to a
>dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
>
>We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end of
>that.
>
>
> >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of twigs
> >& small branches falling that gets your attention <g>
> >
> >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> >hours.  Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW.  Front currently
> >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> >& pinks!!)
> >
> >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> >
> >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> >
> >Jane
> >
> >--------------------------------
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> >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
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G'day all,

For the snow hounds among us, I've set up a little site for my snow pics.
Bare with me, I'm new to all this but you should enjoy the pics. It's a
fairly fast loading page, I think.

The main page is a simple Blackheath local weather site and can't be
accessed from the following link yet, and I wouldn't want you to see it just
yet, anyway. :)

http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture1.htm

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Hi all,

I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week!  And I
scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
four of the photos to make the pan without any seams!  It's certainly
one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!

http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg

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Phil and Andrew,

I was rather impressed with the 14mm I recieved here, (just southeast of 
Adelaide CBD).  The front really wasn't that impressive in terms of strength 
and I hardly expected anything from it especially when only light rain fell 
during the evening, the moderate showers around midnight were good and 
should ensure the grass stays green for the time being around my 
neighbourhood and beyond.  At least we got more than just a bit further west 
of Adelaide where the falls were pathetic to say the least, nearly all below 
1mm, further north at Pt Pirie a good fall of 22mm was recieved.  Hope this 
bloody tropical cyclone SOSE moves west or dissapates because it is holding 
up the high pressure systems over the Bight region too much but I suppose 
that is a characterisitic of this time of year.  If SOSE moves too far south 
then we could be under the influence of a strong high for quite a while! 
Really wishing we could get a significant rainband through SA soon with 
falls more around 30mm, haven't had one for ages that impacts on a large 
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From: "Chris Daley" <jindivik at bigpond.com>
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Hi Andrew,

First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way.

Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of
filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in
Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated.  If you speak to the
bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film
certain things.  The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of
the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with.  The main
problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter
security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base.

Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international
planes too good to resist?  I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal
500 on telly this weekend, nice plane.

Chris

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> Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of
> the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and
> possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from
> a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind.
> Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to
> get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape
> right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and
> confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made
> way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a
military
> base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting
> countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had
> laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to
> the Wx,  with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the
> ground at least.
>
> regards
>
> Andrew
>
> At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
> >Hi Jane
> >
> >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide.  About 10mm of
> >moderate rain.  A short lived gusty period after midnight.  I woke to a
> >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
> >
> >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end
of
> >that.
> >
> >
> > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of
twigs
> > >& small branches falling that gets your attention <g>
> > >
> > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> > >hours.  Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW.  Front currently
> > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> > >& pinks!!)
> > >
> > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> > >
> > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> > >
> > >Jane
> > >
> > >--------------------------------
> > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
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> > >http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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Checking out
http://mirror.bom.gov.au/products/IDR023.loop.shtml

There looks like some decent rain on its way. In Tyabb, where I am (SE
Victoria - near Mornington on the map) it's very humid and you get "that
feeling" like something big is going to happen (it probably won't, but the
feeling is definately there).

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Thanks Keith.

Further to Dave Ellem's reply to where Mount Nardi is. It's part of the 
Nightcap Range and one of the higher peaks in the range 30km N of Lismore 
and at an elevation of just over 800 metres. Mount Warning the volcanic 
remnant at 1156 metres is 15km N of Mount Nardi. The ABC and commercial TV 
transmitters are up the top.

A couple of photos taken from my place illustrate.

just left of centre is Mount Nardi:
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0515mb01.jpg

Mount Nardi is just out of frame to the right, but this shows you the 
higher peaks of the Border Ranges
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0622mb01.jpg

Mount Burrell (933m) in the middle and Mount Nardi to the right
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2000/0802mb03.jpg

regards, Michael


At 16:38 07/04/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Michael,
>I seem to remember a snow event on Mt Nardi in the mid to late eighties, the
>exact year eludes me, but you could include snow on the northern rivers even
>though rare.
>Keith Dorrell


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Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club
webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry.

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif

Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of
Melbourne.


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> 
> I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
> seen Deliverance the movie ?

No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains
on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such 
places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the
locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive
for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United
States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing 
steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it).

Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is
the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with
the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for
blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive
about the area had I known that in advance....

Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms,
snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of
sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder,
Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent
there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10 
centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can
never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for
eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the 
summers there).

By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities
northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-)

Blair

> >
> > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
> in
> > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
> the
> > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
> >
> 
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Matt,
Mt Nardi is north of Lismore in the border ranges, where the TV towers are
located for the Northern rivers area.
I think the perfect place to live is wherever you are happy!
Keith
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> Keith,
>
> Where is Mt Nardi?
>
> Matt Pearce
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<x-flowed>
Hi Chris,
My original plan was to film the Aircraft doing an Air display, which was 
pathetic this year, last year we had 2 FA-18 Hornets burning up the skies, 
this year we had only one FA-18 and it's idea of a low fly past was at 
500ft, also it must have stuck a sock up it's exhaust pipe, cos it was no 
where near as loud as we usually hear them. The Dust Devils were just a bit 
of Icing on the cake, although I think the cake went mouldy.

At least I got some footage today from a hidden advantage point :)

BTW No Nimrod today :( and yes it's really a beautiful sounding aircraft.

regards Andrew

PS thankyou for the congrats too :)))



At 12:22 PM 4/8/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>First off, congrats to you and Kathy for the new chaser on the way.
>
>Back to business, the RAAF can sometimes be pretty tight with this rule of
>filming a base, I have been escorted away from a couple of bases here in
>Vic, but fortunately haven't had any film confiscated.  If you speak to the
>bases PR officer before you go, you can sometimes get permission to film
>certain things.  The PR officer might also be able to speed up the return of
>the tape, they are usually pretty good people to deal with.  The main
>problem can be that Edinburgh is a frontline base and as such has tighter
>security than say East Sale here in Vic which is just a training base.
>
>Were you there just to shoot dust devils, or were the visiting international
>planes too good to resist?  I saw the Nimrod doing fly-bys at the Clipsal
>500 on telly this weekend, nice plane.
>
>Chris
>
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>Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 9:18 AM
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>
>
> > Yeah not much here either, Kathy and myself were at Edinburgh for most of
> > the day, we experienced fairly strong gusty winds of up to 30knots and
> > possibly 35knots at times. Very dusty with the top soil being removed from
> > a neighboring field with some Dust Devils being whipped up with the wind.
> > Unfortunately I was unable to get photographs of this, but did manage to
> > get some video of the dust being whipped up, but I have not got the tape
> > right now. Shortly after filming the dust, the RAAF police came and
> > confiscated my video tape, because I was in breach of a law that was made
> > way back in 1903 stating that no one could take photographs near a
>military
> > base :/ The RAAF had to enforce it this year because of the visiting
> > countries at the base right now. Strange thing is I didn't think they had
> > laws like that when the Wright Flyer was just being tested. Anyway back to
> > the Wx,  with this front I received 10mm in the gauge, not bad, it wet the
> > ground at least.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > At 07:13 AM 4/8/01 +0930, you wrote:
> > >Hi Jane
> > >
> > >Nothing very impressive on the ground here in Adelaide.  About 10mm of
> > >moderate rain.  A short lived gusty period after midnight.  I woke to a
> > >dead calm and a 4/8 sky of very woosy Cu.
> > >
> > >We had 32C during the day last 2 days though, so I'm glad to see the end
>of
> > >that.
> > >
> > >
> > > >.....one benefit of living near large trees is the gentle sound of
>twigs
> > > >& small branches falling that gets your attention <g>
> > > >
> > > >Worth keeping an eye on the passage of this front for the next few
> > > >hours.  Oodnadatta recorded a wind gust of 106kmh earlier tonight. Wind
> > > >speeds throughout central Victoria gusting up to the 50kmh+ mark in the
> > > >northerlies & the temperature is still 21.5C at 2am!!! Pressures fall
> > > >from 1018 in the NE of the state to 1008 in the SW.  Front currently
> > > >going through east of the Adelaide region - some falls in the 10-15mm
> > > >range (looks pretty impressive on radar - all of those yellows & greens
> > > >& pinks!!)
> > > >
> > > >Snippets of the current Vic aviation forecast read like this:
> > > >STRONG N FLOW AHEAD OF FRONT EXPECTED HOPETOUN/CAPE OTWAY 17Z (3am),
> > > >ROBINVALE/FLIKI 23Z (9am), HAY/SALE 05Z (3pm). FRONT SLOPES W WITH
> > > >HEIGHT TO 200NM TO W AT 18500FT. ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN WITHIN
> > > >100NM W OF FRONT. SEVERE TURBULENCE E OF FRONT.
> > > >ISOL CB 5000/30000 WITHIN 100NM W OF FRONT
> > > >
> > > >500hPa temps are -17C & 300hPa temps are -41C ahead of the front.
> > > >
> > > >Jane
> > > >
> > > >--------------------------------
> > > >Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > >cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > > >
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Sorry Blair,

What I meant was undiscovered countryside - the unknown. The Bureau does 
not have on their records anything that happens in the area as there are no 
spotters. The SES locally will know more of course. Good to know they are 
finally getting internet in the area - Ulong that is. I don't think Ulong 
is a problem Michael, I would however say that the region around Tyringham 
is a little strange. I was quick to get out of that area - Mario can vouch 
for that.

Jimmy Deguara

At 02:06 PM 8/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > I have visited some small towns around Dorrigo like Ulong and Cascade, ever
> > seen Deliverance the movie ?
>
>No, but I spent an interesting weekend poking around the mountains
>on the Tennessee-North Carolina border, a fine place for seeing such
>places and characters, in January. Not that I saw too many of the
>locals - I hadn't previously thought that it was possible to drive
>for an hour in the early afternoon anywhere in the eastern United
>States without seeing another car. (The fact that it was snowing
>steadily, if lightly, might have had something to do with it).
>
>Found out from a taxi driver a couple of days later that the forest there is
>the alleged current residence of the U.S's most wanted man (with
>the rumoured complicity of local police, given that he's wanted for
>blowing up abortion clinics). Might have been a bit more apprehensive
>about the area had I known that in advance....
>
>Getting back on topic, my choice would be Armidale - plenty of storms,
>snow every now and again, never exceptionally hot and lots of
>sunshine in winter. Internationally I'd probably go for Boulder,
>Colorado - anywhere that can produce, in the space of the week I spent
>there in September 1993, two days of severe thunderstorms, 10
>centimetres of snow, and maxima of 34 and 1 on successive days can
>never be accused of being boring. (Oklahoma would be terrific for
>eight months of the year, but I don't think I could handle the
>summers there).
>
>By the way, I assume we're talking about undiscovered communities
>northeast of Dorrigo, not undiscovered countries :-)
>
>Blair
>
> > >
> > > Well the explanation is, when I visited an area around just to the
> > > northeast of Dorrigo, I found stories of almost undiscovered countries.
> > > They are often without telephone lines let alone power. It is an isolated
> > > area and can be understood that the elevation and uplift of the NE winds
> > in
> > > the afternoon makes it ideal. The storms often then die before they hit
> > the
> > > coast on days of they move NE. The locals told me that they have a few of
> > > the volunteers checking out the areas hit and report it to the SES as
> > > nobody otherwise would know what has happened in the area.
> > >
> >
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<P>Re Sose, just looking at the BoM's prognostic chart for tomorrow (9/4) with the north-south orientation of the cyclone and the high on the longitude of New Zealand, does anyone think this has the potential to set up a blocking pair?<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 22:09:31 +1000 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Hi all. 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Very nice baroclinic zone developing over central Australia tonight in 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;field moving into the western Bight region,best of all is the mid and high 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;the moment this set up is looking ok for general rain across eastern 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Australia especially when the cold front mixes in on Saturday.Keep a watch 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;on cyclone SOSE which is moving westward this may develop into a monster 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;and may push to cat 4/5 (what do you think Anthony?)over the next 24 to 36 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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What sort of software does he use ?

Michael



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> Hi all,
>
> I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week!  And I
> scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
> four of the photos to make the pan without any seams!  It's certainly
> one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!
>
> http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg
>
> --
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It's been raining quite heavily for the past 20 minutes or so now.... One of
those nice Sundays to light the fire on :)


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>
> Here's a sequence of webcam images taken from the Sandringham yacht club
> webcam showing the passage of the first front at 11:00am which was dry.
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_08/sycam1.gif
>
> Starting to spit here at Clayton with the second front just to the west of
> Melbourne.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
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>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:23:07 +1000
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Evening all,

Can someone help me understand why the jet fell apart so dramatically
today - it had been strengthening for days & then poof!! - suddenly weak
& almost gone... a bit confusing I must admit - the dynamics involved in
this have me beat.

http://weather.unisys.com/aviation/init/avn_4panel_init_aus.gif

Got 4.7mm today, front got here at 1347, wind swung around to the SW &
the temp got down to 11.1C & you could see your breath & now the temps
up to 13.4C and the wind's back to the N again?????

Thanks,

Jane
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Subject: aus-wx: Sose slides southward
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi folks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks like Sose will continue it southwards slide. 
Most of the various advisories have been fairly consistent on this 
today.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>However I note JTWC is now considering a SW 
deviation around the southern side of New Caledonia.&nbsp;Upper influences look 
like being Sose's demise, but not after producing an extensive area of gales in 
tandem with the high to the south.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BoM has issued a bulletin for high seas and erosion 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>IDW57Q01<BR>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<BR>Queensland 
Region<BR>Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre&nbsp; <BR><BR>TROPICAL CYCLONE 
INFORMATION BULLETIN<BR>For 4pm EST on Sunday the 8th of April 2001<BR><BR>Late 
Sunday afternoon, tropical cyclone Sose was located well east of 
Queensland<BR>centred between New Caledonia and the southern islands of Vanuatu. 
Sose is<BR>expected to move slowly across New Caledonia during the next two days 
before<BR>accelerating towards the southeast away from Australia.<BR><BR>However 
the cyclone has a large circulation and combined with a high pressure<BR>system 
near New Zealand is producing extensive areas of gales on its southern<BR>side. 
This is generating very large waves moving towards the Queensland east<BR>coast. 
Seas are beginning to rise on the exposed sub-tropical coast especially<BR>south 
from Fraser Island. Seas should continue to increase in height over the<BR>next 
few days reaching peak height around Wednesday. High evening tides over 
the<BR>period combined with large waves should cause saltwater inundation and 
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This gust front photo is fantastic. I drooled over the video captures but this
pan photo shot takes the cake.

Well done ants, bring the originals to melbourne in 10 days, id love to see
them.

Matt Smith

Michael Thompson wrote:

> What sort of software does he use ?
>
> Michael
>
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> Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 9:51
> Subject: aus-wx: Nice Gust Front Pan from March 12
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I finally was able to put in a few rolls of film last week!  And I
> > scanned some of the photos...Tony Middleton very kindly digitally joined
> > four of the photos to make the pan without any seams!  It's certainly
> > one of the best gust fronts I've ever seen in real life!!!
> >
> > http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/Image1.jpg
> >
> > --
> > Anthony Cornelius
> > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
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From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Storms SW AND W of sydney POTENTIAL ?
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what do you guys say about these storms are they going to develope or are
they going to be fizzers what are your opinion?



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12.55pm 09/4.

About 30 min ago, small amount of lightning and rain around Bathurst area
heading from Oberon area to the East..  Not much lightning on tracker
though.

Will keep eye on GPATS and see whats brewing up. .

Dave
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rune and I are gonna head out and see what We can 
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      Storms have started developing after 1130am over the ranges, in a nice 
line running nw/se.  A large one to my nw (prob just west of Colo Heights) 
has just sent off 2 overshooting tops and looks very nice, should be some 
STA's out soon

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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason to 
be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms 
accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook&nbsp;over the Blue 
Mountains.&nbsp; These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and 
very strong flanking regions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;The closest two cells have burst out of the 
orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are 
also&nbsp;numerous&nbsp;overshoots in these cells too!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice development towards Bowral and a massive 
isolated storm north of Richmond.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of 
the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree 
mark.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As they say in the classics</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BRING IT ON!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead 
<BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
href="mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au">weatherhead at ozemail.com.au</A><BR>SYDNEY 
STORM CHASERS<BR><A 
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From: "Godsman, Andrew AG" <Godsman.Andrew.AG at bhp.com>
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<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hey 
guys,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil 
spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the 
underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening to 
the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to boom 
then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd appreciate any 
updates prior to work end time of 3:30.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Bring 
it on for one last hoorah this season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> dann weatherhead 
  [mailto:weatherhead at ozemail.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 09, 2001 
  12:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: 
  Sydney Storms!!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt Smith is out chasing and he has good reason 
  to be.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At 12:45 there is a veritable wall of storms 
  accross my western horizon looking from Cranebrook&nbsp;over the Blue 
  Mountains.&nbsp; These have beautiful crisp updrafts, with thick anvils, and 
  very strong flanking regions.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;The closest two cells have burst out of the 
  orginal devlopment, pushing much higher and anviling out. There are 
  also&nbsp;numerous&nbsp;overshoots in these cells too!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nice development towards Bowral and a massive 
  isolated storm north of Richmond.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Winds have picked up here and are gusting out of 
  the ENE. Dp has risen rom 14 at 11pm to 20.7 now! Temp is around the 28 degree 
  mark.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As they say in the classics</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BRING IT ON!!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>__________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead 
  <BR>Blaxland, NSW<BR><A 
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IDW10N00
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BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE  Issued at 1356 on Monday the 9th of April
2001
This warning  affects people in the following Local Government Areas:
 Blue Mountains, Wollondilly, Wingecarribee.

This warning is current from 1:55 until 2:55pm.

Storms are currently located near Bargo and on the Blue Mountains and are
forecast to move slowly towards the east .

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Subject: aus-wx: Sydney Radar Loops - Storms. 09/4. 
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Hi all..

Anyone who would like saved images of radar .. please email me at this
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IDW10N00
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2001
This warning affects people in the Camden/Campbelltown areas of Sydney.

This warning also affects people in the Wollondilly Local Government Area.

This warning is current until 4:00 pm.

A large thunderstorm is currently located near Picton and is forecast to
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Yes i am interested.  Please.  

Regards,

Antz



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Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2
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Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
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3:30pm
Richmond, NSW

Max and Rune are out to my NW at Richmond, they have steady hail falling
that is measuring approx 3cm in diameter.

Incidentally, STW in effect now for Richmond, Glenorie and Wisemans Ferry,
valid until 4:30pm.


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I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never lets
it do any harm. Still, its annoying.


Lindsay Pearce
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> At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
> >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last
2
> >days.
> >
> >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
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>
> I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to
> the list about it.
> It is being sent privately, not to the list.
> Miguel de Salas
> Ph: 03 6226 2624
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A good day today.

Almost shot down south to the large storm firing down towards Bowral but
decided to go for the one on the ranges just NW of Penrith. Caught up to
it as it moved over the Richmond area. Rain was torrential with flooding
all over the place, a few cm of water over main roads in the area made
fun driving. I had to pull over numerous times because of the extremely
heavy rain. There was hail mixed in with the rain, only small, max size
1cm plenty around 1/2 a cm, most of it melting very fast because of the
water lying all over the place. The hail lasted from my drive from
Richmond to Windsor, going past the air force base. Plenty of CG's made
it worth while, including a nice clear air CG. The storm reminded me
very much of a similar storm late last year that hit the same area, with
plenty of CG lightning and torrential rain.

Anyway, enough from me.

Matt Smith




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> I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software
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> 
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
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> > >the last 
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> > >
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> >
> > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous
> > postings to the list about it.
> > It is being sent privately, not to the list.
> > Miguel de Salas
> > Ph: 03 6226 2624
> > Fax: 03 62262693
> >
> > School of Plant Science
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<x-flowed>
      Max and I headed out to Richmond at 130pm, it was very photogenic at 
this stage with the massive storm to the sw (Appin), a large storm west of 
Penrith and TCU shooting up straight overhead, at Agnes Banks waited for a 
cell to come off the mountains, CG rate at one every 5 seconds, with a green 
base and hail curtain. There was visible rotation numerous times, and very 
gusty inflow winds.  Deciding to stick with this storm (hearing of the 
massiveness of the one to the SW) proved worthwhile with sustained 20 
minutes of hail as we headed with the storm back through Richmond, the 
largest which was close to 3cm. (mostly pea size with scattered 2cm stones). 
  Also a lot of video camera shy flangs just either side of us while we were 
on the road, very nice day :)... thanx for all those updates, dean, mal and 
mario.

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sydney Storms!!
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<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You 
probably already know the answer, the tail end storms were the Bowral ones, 
there was bugger all south of that. We had some steady rain after 4pm from old 
decaying anvil. The skies to the south were clear, I doubt any much rain fell 
south of Kiama.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT color=#0000ff size=2>The dying storms 
1-2mm of rain did one thing, they stopped a long dry spell in the southern 
Illawarra. Today would have been entering the 4th week without rain in the 
southern Illawarra, an event as rare as 100mm plus days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2>Michael</FONT>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>It's 
  been a long time since I've seen skies like these. A nice heavy looking anvil 
  spreading across the Illawarra from the SW showing some mammatus on the 
  underside. Due to my lack of eyes (ie no net access), what else is happening 
  to the south of Wollongong? From past experience, if Bowral is starting to 
  boom then we usually end up with something along the escarpment. I'd 
  appreciate any updates prior to work end time of 3:30.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=064185803-09042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2>Bring it on for one last hoorah this 
  season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 09 Apr 01 20:57:40 +1000
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Hello DroughtMaster!

09 Apr 01 15:44, you wrote to All:

 D> never had it yet from this list or any other come to think of it

It's everywhere, just bouncing around the net these days.

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three times, is that all. I get up to several a day and lately even in
different languages.

I have written an E Mail rule to dump any E Mails with Hahaha or snowhite,
along with E  Mails with money and $ in the titles.

Michael




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> Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2
> days.
>
> Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
> address list.
>
> Please be careful.
>
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..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
Forum......

Very interesting stuff!!!!  Worth sharing I thought - so I did.

---------------------------------------------
I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
-2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.

The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!

What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
one.

What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.

One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
temperatures which could add to the other information available.
Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
based on the thickess' are:

Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
Thursday -2 5520 6.0
Friday 6 5580 9.0
Saturday 8 5600 10.0

Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
remain overcast and COLD.

Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
year:

Sydney 9.4 5588
Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
Hobart 4.9 5502
Melbourne 7.1 5545
Brisbane 11.5 5643
Adelaide 8.7 5579
Perth 11.0 5619
Alice Springs 14.7 5684
Darwin 17.8 5770



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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the
Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.

Michael

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Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 22:01
Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info


> ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
> Forum......
>
> Very interesting stuff!!!!  Worth sharing I thought - so I did.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
> interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
> the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
> it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
> dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
> -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
> 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.
>
> The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
> 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
> thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
> Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
> later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
> temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
> Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
> 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
> 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!
>
> What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
> cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
> kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
> it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
> 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
> one.
>
> What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
> short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
> surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
> there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
> temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
> moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
> day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
> and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.
>
> One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
> temperatures which could add to the other information available.
> Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
> the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
> based on the thickess' are:
>
> Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
> Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
> Thursday -2 5520 6.0
> Friday 6 5580 9.0
> Saturday 8 5600 10.0
>
> Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
> Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
> correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
> since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
> remain overcast and COLD.
>
> Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
> and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
> year:
>
> Sydney 9.4 5588
> Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
> Hobart 4.9 5502
> Melbourne 7.1 5545
> Brisbane 11.5 5643
> Adelaide 8.7 5579
> Perth 11.0 5619
> Alice Springs 14.7 5684
> Darwin 17.8 5770
>
>
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: SOSE,and other stuff.
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:29:19 +1000
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Hi all.
SOSE looks interesting tonight especially if you want to see how a cyclone
goes puff!.The upper cloud shield has all but been blown off leaving a very
large apparent eye one of the largest I have seen or at least a near clear
central locality.Also some nice high lee cirrus extending from the eastern
North Is of NZ along the east coast of the South Is looks rather
spectacular,another area of interest is the remnants of TC Walter getting
into the central and southwest of WA, meanwhile Victoria and SA can enjoy
the continued spell of anticyclonic control now almost into its 5th year,
give or take a few lows.regards Clyve Herbert.

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:33:32 +1000
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Hi Michael.
Maybe you could go up to Robertson and experience some supercooled drizzle!,
although the model prediction looks a little to far fetched to me, what
seems better is all that cold air getting into the warm Tasman Sea that
should be interesting. regards Clyve H.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info


> To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather
the
> Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2001 22:01
> Subject: aus-wx: Upcoming high & thickness info
>
>
> > ..this info courtesy of Dave Williams in Sydney from TWC Weather
> > Forum......
> >
> > Very interesting stuff!!!!  Worth sharing I thought - so I did.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > I know most people can't imagine that high pressure systems are
> > interesting, but the upcoming one for SE Australia later in the week has
> > the appearances of being one, at least according to the MRF. On Thursday
> > it has very cold temperatures at 850hPa [ie. around 1500 metres]
> > dropping to 3 degrees in Sydney [see averages at end of this note] and
> > -2 ish in the Victorian Alps. Yet at the same time it is going for
> > 1000-500hPa thicknesses of around 5560 and 5520 metres respectively.
> >
> > The 850hPa = 0 degrees at 5400 metres [this is well known] and varies by
> > 5 degress for every 100 metres in thickness. So that, for example, a
> > thickness of 5600 metres equates to a 850hPa temperature of +10 etc.
> > Well go back and have a look at the values predicted by the MRF for
> > later in the week. The thicknesses are rather high yet the 850hPa
> > temperatures are very low. On Thursday one would have expected the
> > Sydney thickness of 5560 metres to correspond to a 850hPa temperature of
> > 8 degrees, not the 3 degrees forecast. Whilst for the Victorian ALPS the
> > 5520 would go to +6 degrees, not the -2!
> >
> > What this is saying is that the cold change that is forecast is (1) very
> > cold and (2) very shallow. Since the thickness represents around 5.5
> > kilometres of air and the 850hPa temperature refers to around 1.5 km's
> > it is clearly obvious that the model expects the temperatures above
> > 1,500 metres to remain relatively warm. Such a situation is a stable
> > one.
> >
> > What this means is that (1) the effects of this change are likely to be
> > short-lived and that the airmass will quickly warm up again nearer the
> > surface; (2) that rainfall amounts will in general be fairly light since
> > there will not be any great depth in the cloud due to the 'warm'
> > temperatures aloft and (3) that any location which has sufficient
> > moisture near the surface will experience a 'miserably drab overcast
> > day' because these considerably warmer temperatures will act as a lid
> > and ensure that the cloud doesn't easily burn-off.
> >
> > One could easily derive some sort of stability index out of these 2
> > temperatures which could add to the other information available.
> > Considering the Victorian ALPS over the next few days, the forecasts for
> > the 850hPa temp, 1000-500hPa thickness and the 'equivalent 850hPa temp
> > based on the thickess' are:
> >
> > Tuesday 4 5555 7.75
> > Wednesday 6 5535 6.75
> > Thursday -2 5520 6.0
> > Friday 6 5580 9.0
> > Saturday 8 5600 10.0
> >
> > Note how quickly the 850hPa temperature is expected to rise from
> > Thursday to Friday. One needs to be cautious [assuming this model is
> > correct] to quickly rise the maximums along the NSW coast late this week
> > since any location that has moisture underneath this warm air will
> > remain overcast and COLD.
> >
> > Finally, for those interested, here are the average 850hPa temperatures
> > and 1000-500hPa thicknesses for a few locations at this time of the
> > year:
> >
> > Sydney 9.4 5588
> > Wagga Wagga 8.6 5566
> > Hobart 4.9 5502
> > Melbourne 7.1 5545
> > Brisbane 11.5 5643
> > Adelaide 8.7 5579
> > Perth 11.0 5619
> > Alice Springs 14.7 5684
> > Darwin 17.8 5770
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > --------------------------------
> >
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It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!

Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.

Our backyard is like a river!!
Matt Smith

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001

This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
Metropolitan area.

Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
this
morning.

Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
Observatory Hill.

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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx:Jupiter, The Perfect Place to Live
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cool. Learn something new every day ;)


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>
> Hi all, for those that either disagree or don't know check this page out,
> shows the image of Lightning on Jupiter from the Galileo Spacecraft which
> is orbiting Jupier now.
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap971216.html
>
> Andrew...
>
>
> At 09:29 AM 4/6/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Lyle,
> >
> >As far as I recall Jupiter is actually extremely lightning-active. The
> >reasons I can't recall but I'm pretty sure methane ice can exist at the
> >temperatures in the cloud-tops and Jupiter's intense magnetic field may
> >well cause enormous currents to flow from one point to another...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kevin from Wycheproof.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
> >>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >>Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:35:39 -0600
> >>
> >>Hey andrew,
> >>
> >>i can't say i remember jupiters atmospheric constituents too clearly but
i
> >>don't think itw would have hail nor lightning - due to the absence of
hail.
> >>
> >>cheers, lyle
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Andrew Wall" <astroman at chariot.net.au>
> >>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 2:37 AM
> >>Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi ppls,
> >> >
> >> > Well I would have to say the perfect place to live would be Jupiter,
all
> >> > year round storms, and a huge mother of a Cyclone continually
producing
> >> > awesome lightning displays, most probably HUGE Hail the size of
houses and
> >> > the winds, well lets just leave it at that.
> >> >
> >> > PS
> >> >
>
>>Etc...etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc........................................
..
> >>...
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> >
> >> > Andrew
> >> >
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From: "Pearce" <rpearce2 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:48:05 +1000
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Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo!

This is awesome!!!

Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now I
am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown in
for good measure :)

Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows:

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001

This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
Metropolitan area.

Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area this
morning.

Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
Observatory Hill.

The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between
French's Forest and Terrey Hills.

With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the
east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!!

There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or something...I
haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out
tonight...In the meantime

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt Pearce


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>
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
>
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
>
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
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Hi Matt,
            The radar showed a line of storms extending from Sydney
offshore.  Take a look at the MESOLAPS precip forecast.  It started with a
bulls-eye over Sydney last night and has it increasing today and tomorrow in
more or less the same area...I think tomorrow will be very interesting with
the approaching upper trough..
Paul G.
____________________
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North Sydney 2060
Phone: (02) 9955 7704
Fax: (02) 9955 1536
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> Wooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo!
>
> This is awesome!!!
>
> Exactly the same here...torrential rain woke me up about 2 hours ago...now
I
> am still listening to it teeming down outside with the odd rumble thrown
in
> for good measure :)
>
> Updated Severe Weather Warning is as follows:
>
> SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0517 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
>
> The radar shows that the heaviest rain is currently located between
> French's Forest and Terrey Hills.
>
> With a Sydney metro forecast calling for heavy rain with flooding in the
> east all day...just where I will be!!!!!!!!!!
>
> There has got to be some kind of upper convergence feature or
something...I
> haven't looked at anything yet though...will try and work it out
> tonight...In the meantime
>
> BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Matt Pearce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Smith" <tornado at bigpond.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:59 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
>
>
> >
> > It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
> >
> > Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
> >
> > Our backyard is like a river!!
> > Matt Smith
> >
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> > Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
> >
> > This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> > Metropolitan area.
> >
> > Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> > this
> > morning.
> >
> > Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> > Observatory Hill.
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G'Day,

Just had a torrential downpour here, now that the storm has 
progressed a little further I can hear quite a lot of thunder (once 
every 30 secs or so).

IDW10N15 

TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE WEATHER WARNING 
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY 
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE Issued at 
0613 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001 

This warning affects people in the following Local Government 
Areas: Gosford, Wyong. The previous warning for the 
Metropolitan area is now cancelled. 

Very heavy rainfall and possible local flooding is expected in 
the warning area in the next hour. 

Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been 
reported from Observatory Hill. The radar shows the 
heaviesat rain is now just north of Brooklyn and is moving 
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Yep, portions of our microwave network links across the city dropped out (or
had their performance severely degraded) between 4 and 5am.

Wonder what tomorrow will be like?   :)

Malcolm Ninnes
Unix Systems Admin
National Technical Services - Franklins Ltd
Ph. (02) 9722-1862
ninnesm at franklins.com.au

> ----------
> From: 	Matt Smith[SMTP:tornado at bigpond.net.au]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, 10 April 2001 3:59
> To: 	aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: 	aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney
> 
> 
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
> 
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
> 
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
> 
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
> 
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
> 
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> this
> morning.
> 
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
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Hi,

this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;

http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm

The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy

Cheers, Lyle

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TELL ME ABOUT IT :)         i woke up at 4 am and it was PIS*ING DOWN :) and
windy YAY :) and a few flashes and bang now and then :) but i fell asleep
:( ah well was fun while i was awake :)
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather Warning for Sydney


>
> It is POURING DOWN out side at the moment, loud enough to wake me up !!!
>
> Observatory hill is up to 55mm, it had 0 when i went to bed 3 hours ago.
>
> Our backyard is like a river!!
> Matt Smith
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
> Issued at 0355 on Tuesday the 10th of April 2001
>
> This warning affects people in the eastern suburbs of the Sydney
> Metropolitan area.
>
> Very heavy rainfall and local flooding is expected in the warning area
> this
> morning.
>
> Rainfall heavy enough to cause local flooding has been reported from
> Observatory Hill.
>
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From: "Dean Sgarbossa" <deansgar at alphalink.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
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G'day Lyle,
    That is absolutely amazing photo. I can't believe it. What is the
chances of that occuring. Talk about being in the right place at the right
time! It is so remarkably photogenic. I have to say this is one of the best
photos I have ever seen in my life! Thanks.

Deano

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> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

A nasty hail storm hit us on the Darling Causeway (near Mt Victoria) at
around 2:20pm.Hail was intense for around 20 minutes with 1.5 to 2.5cm size
hail. A car ahead of us lost control and crashed into the roadside gully.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au

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Careful Michael - people won't read your emails soon for fear of being
depressed :-)

AC

Michael Thompson wrote:
> 
> To summarise - it sounds like Friday - Early Saturday may be the weather the
> Illawarra specialises in - Anticyclonic gloom.
> 
> Michael
> 


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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:41:25 +1000
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Afternoon all,

Sometimes you hear interesting things on the radio....

On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one
normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about
an approaching cold front for Thursday.  Almost hopping from foot to foot,
he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we
have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more
warnings I'll throw them in there too.  Expect hail & thunder, a very
substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the
Dandenongs is possible."

....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I
missed something??.


.....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon....

---------------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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If you got this twice & the other one was full of garbage, I apologise - I
hit the send button, just a bit faster than the brain was moving.....

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> On the regular spot for the BoM senior forecaster (3LO) at 2.05pm, one
> normally very conservative senior forecaster was becoming very excited about
> an approaching cold front for Thursday.  Almost hopping from foot to foot,
> he said..."there's a very active cold front due tomorrow in Melbourne, we
> have gale warnings out, sheep warnings out, and if I can think of any more
> warnings I'll throw them in there too.  Expect hail & thunder, a very
> substantial drop in temperature, snow on the Highlands & even a bit on the
> Dandenongs is possible."
>
> ....... all of us weather watchers can't wait for it to come true - have I
> missed something??.

ARGH!!! Here I am, sitting at home trying to beat the flu before Easter, and we
start getting the really cold weather!!

BOM say: Wednesday: Early inland fog and frost. Showers with local hail and
thunder
extending across southern districts. Snow in the Alpine region. Strengthening
wind. Becoming cold.
Thursday:  Showers in south, mostly clearing from the west. Cool southwest to
south wind easing.

> .....a still giggling Jane on an anticyclonic Melbourne afternoon....

.... a still coughing and spluttering Pauly inside and about to hit the pills
again.

  --------------------------------------
    Paul Mirtschin - Ph 0414 658 174
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    www.nothingdesign.com.au

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man that is bullshit!!! how can someone be so lucky to come across that!:(
extremely jealous:)
can anyone speak italian???


At 04:37 PM 9/04/01 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
>http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
>The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
>Cheers, Lyle
>
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At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
>Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the last 2
>days.
>
>Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the email
>address list.

I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings to 
the list about it.
It is being sent privately, not to the list.
Miguel de Salas
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You have missed a lot and so has BOM!!!!!!   Even though I'm from SA and 
this front will probably have a minor impact here I have been keeping my eye 
on this front for about a week now.  NOGAPS forecast picked up this very 
strong cold front development about a week ago!!!!  Interesting that???  But 
BOM didn't pick it up until the beginning of the week and only today are 
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I get it several times per week.  About a third of them originate here in 
Hong Kong, but the rest originate in Australia.  As this list is 
responsible for 99% of my e-mail from Australia, I assume that the hahaha 
originates from someone on the list.  However, it is almost impossible to 
trace as the virus puts its own fake username and server at the head and 
when digging amongst the hidden headers one can only see the very last 
router in the chain before it arrives at my mail-server.   The routers 
are a plethora of ...com.au or ...net.au names and probably do not point 
to where the virus originated.
I mostly don't even check any more - too boring - just delete 'em.

Phil
<><
International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk 
Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
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Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:31:43 +1000
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> I get it quite often although my regularly updated virus software never
> lets
> it do any harm. Still, its annoying.
> 
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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> 
> 
> > At 04:33 PM 9/04/01, you wrote:
> > >Just a warning everyone - I have received this virus 3 times in the
> last
> 2
> > >days.
> > >
> > >Seems someone may have infiltrated the list or is utilising the
> email
> > >address list.
> >
> > I have never received this virus yet, but I've seen numerous postings
> to
> > the list about it.
> > It is being sent privately, not to the list.
> > Miguel de Salas
> > Ph: 03 6226 2624
> > Fax: 03 62262693
> >
> > School of Plant Science
> > University of Tasmania
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Re: Les Lemon
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Afternoon all,

To all of the ASWA members on the aussie-wx list (who received the mass
email from me earlier today) - I'll pass your thanks onto Les Lemon.

To any non-ASWA member who is curious about all this, email me at the
address below & I'll fill you in on the details - you might even decide to
become an ASWA member!!

Jane
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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Luke

That is a very special photo (at first I suspected a fake). I have a picture
in a book of three waterspouts all at once, but never seen a picture with
four !


Regards
Simon


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Subject: aus-wx: Remarkable photo


> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
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Lyle

They aren't waterspouts are they ? On an extra look they look tornados. That
makes the picture even more remarkable.


Simon

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> Hi,
>
> this was sent to me and i thought it might interest this list;
>
> http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> The image was taken in the Adriatic Sea between Greece and Italy
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:49:59 +1000
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To translate this page, goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn and
copy the URL below into the part where it says

'Website   Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.'
You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic'

>  http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm

Jane

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I'm interested in the last line of the caption of the photo.  Relying on
my dodgy Italian from way back in high school, the line:

"Questa e una sequenza di 4 dei 10 tifoni in cui siamo passati."

seems to translate as:

"This is a sequence of 4 of 10 typhoons in (something, something) past."

Here, typhoon is the direct translation of tifoni, but no doubt it's
referring to the waterspouts 


Cheers

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Thanks Jane for the translation - they are waterspouts after all !

It is a bit hard to tell from the photo whether it is land or sea. I thought
sea at first (as multiple vortices are more common over water), but then on
second viewing I thought that the base of the photo looked like land.

Can you imagine if these were tornadoes over land  -    "hell's bells!!!!"

Nonetheless, one of the best photos I have ever seen.

Simon



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> copy the URL below into the part where it says
>
> 'Website   Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.'
> You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
> 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic'
>
> >  http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> Jane
>
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TELL ME ABOUT IT :-(  i woke up at 4am and it was STRATO CU heaven and dry.
A few dogs barking and a car now an then.

Not a single mm here in the southern Illawarra

We need something from the E /NE, we never do much with S/SE moving stuff.

Michael



> TELL ME ABOUT IT :)         i woke up at 4 am and it was PIS*ING DOWN :)
and
> windy YAY :) and a few flashes and bang now and then :) but i fell asleep
> :( ah well was fun while i was awake :)



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Hi all.
I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited
I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have
is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups
like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic
rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little
suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine
photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did
show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve
Herbert.(try before you buy!!!)----- Original Message -----
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> You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
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>
> >  http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>
> Jane
>
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Subject: aus-wx: 2 lightning days in a row for Sydney
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, its on again!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For the 2nd night in a row there is visible 
lightning from Sydney. An area of storms has moved southwestwards towards the 
North Shore of Sydney for the last couple of hours. There is clearly visible 
lightning to the east from St Ives...it must look beautiful down on the coast. I 
don't think these storms will come ashore but they are giving a nice lightning 
show to the northeastern suburbs for those that are out watching.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The next couple of days look extremely interesting 
for southeastern Australia...keep a close eye on it...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Matt Pearce</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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It's worth visiting the Bureau's new demonstration radar page at
http://www.bom.gov.au/nmoc/archives/Radar/samples/index.shtml and
seeing what's available, if you have the money. Some high detail
animations and vertical cross-sections of the 14/4/99 Sydney
hailstorm, and some nice 3-d images of a heavy rain event in
Melbourne. Also a classic cyclone sequence of Rosita swiping Broome in
April last year, and some intriguing doppler images, too. 

I'm surprised at how coy the Bureau is about releasing its national
composite images. They get a mention on the page, but no link. I've
put a sample at
http://www.australianweathernews.com/news/2001/04/media/IDR00000_200101021200.gif,
and as you can see, they've been routinely available since at least
the beginning of the year. Rumour has it that the Bureau plans to
charge for them, which is a pity as they make a great index for where
the weather is happening at any moment. 

-- 
Laurier Williams
Australian Weather News & Links
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Howdy everyone - those wishing an interpretation for that webpage with THAT
pick - read below.

Rgds, Paul.

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From: Ian Shepherd [mailto:I.Shepherd at BoM.GOV.AU]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:56 PM
To: Paul Mossman
Subject: Re: Howdy

Hi Paul,

I hope your visit to the airport office has been arranged satisfactorily.

At 09:22 10/04/2001 +0930, you wrote:
>Just a quick note - I suspect the 748mm at Jervios is an error? (Maybe
>sprinkler too close to gauge?)

I spoke to the Regional Observations Manager - he said that the Jervois AWS
is faulty and has been sending spurious data. The faulty sensor will be
turned off, however, in the meantime, any erroneous data should be
corrected by the duty Technical Officer in the Darwin Regional Office. I
was told that the 68 mm listed next to Jervois in today's 7-day rainlist is
incorrect - but I can't see any reference to 748 mm - where did you see
this figure? Was it listed on the web somewhere, or on the ASWA registered
user page? Please let me know.

>Also have a look at this awesome pic at 
>http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
>It is amazing!

I agree it is amazing, I was wondering what we are seeing in the picture -
so I asked a friend who knows Spanish to assist in translating. From a
simple Italian-English dictionary we came up with the following:
"Spectacular marine funnels over the Adriatic (Sea). Photo of 'tornadoes'
observed in August 1999 along the Albanian coast taken from the
Greece-Italy ferry. These are 4 in a sequence of 10 tornadoes which passed.
Technical data - Zeiss camera, Fuji 120 mm film".
There are more pix if you go to their home page.

Thanks for sending the link,
regards, Ian.







>Rgds, Paul.

Ian Shepherd,
Senior Meteorologist, Severe Weather Section
Northern Territory Regional Office
Bureau of Meteorology
PO Box 40050, Casuarina, N.T. 0811, AUSTRALIA
Ph: 08 8920 3821  Fax: 08 8920 3840

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Hi All.

Phil sent this to me this morning and suggested I forward it - better late
than never.

Carl.

<snip>
>I think I am going to be busy today... vast numbers of telephone exchanges
>are out and I cannot contact any of our 7 servers.  Dunno if the firewall is
>down, DSL is down, or if our whole server room got blown to smithereens by
>lightning.  Will find out when I arrive at 07:20.  (Our main server room is
>in a tin shack built on the roof of the tallest building in the district -
>our school.)
>It became so dark around 15:30 that all the street lights came on (forecast
>to be sunny!).  By 16:00 there were many rumbles of thunder.  Wendy and I
>drove to Hong Kong Island and after driving under the sea came up out of the
>tunnel into a "wall of water" of torrential rain at about 16:35.
>We parked the car and went for a pie at the coffee shop.  We did some
>paperwork there and came out at about 17:20 to find the sky lit up as though
>by a giant arc welder and constant, incessant, deafening booming of thunder.
>The wind was bursting at typhoon force from one direction after another -
>intense gusts followed by dead calm - how our brollies survived the walk
>back to the car I don't know.  While sitting in the car in the parking spot
>under the freeway there came an intense shrieking roar like a thousand
>express trains which I presume was wind-related and wondered if I was
>hearing a tornado as this was the description Grandpa gave of the sound when
>the tornado struck and demolished our house when I was a baby.  The car was
>rocking wildly and the windscreen wipers could not clear the water from the
>windscreen - and this was under the centre of a six-lane elevated
>expressway -  so I didn't bother starting the car and waited until it
>passed.  That rain was coming through at least 10 metres of covered area
>from the edge of the overhead expressway to where our car was parked.  This
>meant that it was falling at more than 45 degrees from the vertical.  It
>only lasted like that for around a minute.
>At 17:45 the sky suddenly became very bright but still cloudy as the storm
>rolled away, but we were still getting many flashes with less than a second
>until the thunder only the flashes slowed right down from more than one a
>second to only one a minute.  By 18:00 there were only occasional flashes
>and the thunder had become much more distant.  We were at a meeting from
>18:00 until 20:00 and came out to find it still overcast but no sign of the
>storm.
>Check our WXHK Forum thread: "Unexpected Hail Reported in Hong Kong" for
>radar image clues as to what might have happened.
>http://www.weather.org.hk/discus/messages/1/2713.html?TuesdayApril1020011252
>am
>I won't be able to get onto aus-wx list until our mail system is back on the
>air.  You might like to clip out the section about the storm and post it.
>
>Phil
><><
>Phil Smith
>Director
>Doctor Disk Limited
>Unit B, 4th Floor, Imperial Heights
>Belair Gardens, Shatin, NT
>HONG KONG S.A.R.
>People's Republic of China
>Phone +852 2646 4672
>Fax +852 2637 4006
>Internet e-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
>Web: http://www.drdisk.com.hk
>Typhoon Information: http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
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>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:24:07 +0930
>From: "S G" <thunderday191 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Melbourne tomorrow
>
>You have missed a lot and so has BOM!!!!!!   Even though I'm from SA and 
>this front will probably have a minor impact here I have been keeping my
eye 
>on this front for about a week now.  NOGAPS forecast picked up this very 
>strong cold front development about a week ago!!!!  Interesting that???
But 
>BOM didn't pick it up until the beginning of the week and only today are 
>they making a big deal about it.

Come on S+G, the NOGAPS model is one of numerous models used in BOM and
elsewhere, so of course people have been aware of a front due through
Victoria on Wednesday. However, it was not until yesterdays 00Z LAPS run
that it really started to look "interesting". If you go back 2-3 days, the
model consensus was for a quite anticyclonic change with lowest thickness
values through Melbourne for GASP of ~544gpdm, ECMWF ~546gpdm, and US
~544gpdm (UKMO and JMA model, from memory also had ~544gpdm). An appropriate
forecast for such a change was exactly as given by the BOM - something like
"scattered showers in the south". The thickness values would be expected to
give a little snow, but only at high elevations ~1500m+. Jane ONeill's email
the other day pointed to exactly this kinda of scenario. 

This all really changed with yesterdays LAPS which showed a very sharp cold
pool with central value ~534gpdm, and a marked zone of strongly cyclonic
curvature associated with the frontal passage. Hence, and with ample
warning, the forecast has been upgraded. I suspect the shift towards a
stronger front is linked to the failure of TC SOSE to move as far east as
was originally expected by most models.

To tell the truth.. I am not getting too excited about this system, as what
cold air there is will only be around for a very short period, with the
coldest air passing well too our south - bummer (though I hope I am wrong).
With a large high firmly planted over Victoria by tomorrow night, and rather
high thickness values, it looks like a 12 hour interruption to Melbourne's 5
years of anticyclonic dominance.

Regards,

DJ

                                                              
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Howdy All

Yup the CF went through here this morning at about 7am, not a heck of a lot 
of rain with the change, very cold and squally W to SW wind switching more S 
as the day gets older, Showers zooming through with rather quick downpours, 
no "Cold Air Cells" yet but they could be here later this avo

cheers
Les Baxter in Ballarat
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cold air cb's to S, very low topped, wind gusty 80km,location SE Melb, updates    0419113812, nick sykes 
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What you are seeing is a not uncommon local affect of Mount Saddleback, just
SW of Kiama. This mountain's shape and proximity to the ocean is perfect for
lifting any SW to S wind.

There is a significant shear from the W/SW above about 1500m ( at a guess )
and the cumulus generated from the Saddleback lift is heading NE back out to
sea.

There is some red offshore Wollongong and my guess hail may be involved, but
not for the land this time.

Michael



----- Original Message -----
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>
> Storms have just popped up out to sea off Sydney, lightning is fairly
> frequent at a strike every 10-20 seconds or so
>
> Pink on local loop now developing off Kiama roughly !!!!!!
>
> I hope we get a lightning show, i havent seen a good one all summer.
>
> Matt Smith
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* Wednesday night
* Mid April
* Overnight shower forecast
* Storms off the coast (red on radar)
* Now red over La Perouse SE Sydney

Been here before?... nah, doesnt look anywhere as good, but still a nice 
little light show from here, we'll see though :)

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Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:19:24 +1000
From: Jane ONeill <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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It's that time of year again.......
(courtesy of I have no idea who, but I think it's an American) I just
couldn't resist passing it along (especially for those of us old
enough to remember the original Desiderata!! - and Anthony)


**Meteorata**

Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all chasers.

Chart your outlook quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
even the NWS and NSSL for they too have their story.
Avoid loud and aggressive forecasters,
they are vexations to the spirit.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become bitter and vain,
for always there will be greater and lessor chasers than yourself.
Enjoy your successes as well as your busts.

Keep interested in your hobby, however frustrating;
it is a real possession in the changing winds of time.
Exercise caution in your chasing purchases;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what goodies there are;
many persons strive for technical wizardry;
and everywhere life is full of Faidleys.
Be yourself.

Especially, do not hate nature.
Neither be cynical about the weather;
for in the face of all busts and disenchantment
it is perennial as the grass.

Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and chasing alone.

Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the weather,
no less than the wind and the rain;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the weather is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with Mother Nature,
whatever you conceive Her to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of El Niño, keep peace with your soul.

With all its busts, gust fronts, and broken forecasts,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.


and if you're into philisophy a little bit and would like to read the
origianl "Desiderata' which was written in 1927, then go here....
http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/desidera.html

Enjoy!

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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Hi every1,

Cynical me...looks Photoshopped to me...hope I'm wrong!


Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.


>From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo - so they are waterspouts ?
>Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:20:02 +1000
>
>Thanks Jane for the translation - they are waterspouts after all !
>
>It is a bit hard to tell from the photo whether it is land or sea. I 
>thought
>sea at first (as multiple vortices are more common over water), but then on
>second viewing I thought that the base of the photo looked like land.
>
>Can you imagine if these were tornadoes over land  -    "hell's bells!!!!"
>
>Nonetheless, one of the best photos I have ever seen.
>
>Simon
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>; "Leslie Lemon" <lrlemon at compuserve.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:49 PM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
>
>
> > To translate this page, goto 
>http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
>and
> > copy the URL below into the part where it says
> >
> > 'Website   Enter the Web Address of the page you wish to translate.'
> > You need to translate it from Italian to English & is called
> > 'Spectacular waterspouts on the Adriatic'
> >
> > >  http://www.astrogeo.va.it/immagini/cielo/giudici.htm
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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With the storm season just about over I am organising
a bushwalk for ASWA members and their friends to help
combat SDS ! The details are as follows:
SATURDAY 21st April, meet at Wentworth Falls Train
Station at 10am SHARP!!! From there we will decide on
the day as to which walk we will do.There are plenty
to choose from.Bring good walking shoes,food and
drink.Afterwards if there is time we might go to a pub
or a cafe for a drink and a bite to eat.Bring your
friends as everyone is welcome.Should be a fun day
out. By the way the weather forecast will be as
follows: SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE FOR THE BLUE MTS
AREA WITH LARGE HAIL AND A TORNADO WARNING !! ...so
bring your cameras.......  Hope to see a big turnout:)
Any questions email me personally on  
stormtwist at yahoo.com 

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Storms have just popped up out to sea off Sydney, lightning is fairly
frequent at a strike every 10-20 seconds or so

Pink on local loop now developing off Kiama roughly !!!!!!

I hope we get a lightning show, i havent seen a good one all summer.

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Hi Clyve,

I guess it depends upon the proximity of the spouts to each other, if two
spouts are relatively close on opposing edges of an updraft region, then you
could expect them to have opposite rotations (somewhat like whirlpools on
each side of an oar).  If they are further apart and associated with
independent updrafts, then I would expect them to all rotate cyclonically
(somewhat like the pattern of lows forming along a frontal boundary).  I
have seem two such spouts in a convergence line off Bribie Island, but some
5km apart.  In this photo they look a lot closer, but distances on this
scale can be very deceptive particularly if a telephoto was used.

John.
>snip
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo

Hi all.
I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited
I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have
is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups
like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic
rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little
suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine
photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did
show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve
Herbert.(

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Hi all.
SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however
the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into  a low)
may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we
might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of
New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert.

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8.25am 12/4.

Reading on weather station early this morning stated a
chilly cold -0.4 deg at 5.30am this morning.

Is now 10 deg..  BRRRRR..

Dave
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

We had 1.5C this morning at our place with gusts close to 50kph. That
equates to windchill below -10 by my reckoning.
I had 1.5 mm in the gauge but I'm not sure when that rain fell. Mount Boyce
AWS isn't giving a rain reading.

Right now at 8:30am its around 3C and clear skies and it doesn't really feel
that cold. Oh well, i'm about to work outside today, so maybe I'll change my
mind about how cold it feels.

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Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Hi all

Straying off topic a little, but i thought the surfers on the list would
enjoy these photos

The pressure gradient between TC Sose and a high in the Tasman sea has led
to some truly massive waves along the southern QLD coast over the last few
days !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: aus-wx: ALMOST OFFTOPIC: Meteorata - chaser philosophy


> It's that time of year again.......
> (courtesy of I have no idea who, but I think it's an American) I just
> couldn't resist passing it along (especially for those of us old
> enough to remember the original Desiderata!! - and Anthony)
>
>
> **Meteorata**
>
> Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
> and remember what peace there may be in silence.
> As far as possible without surrender be on good terms with all chasers.
>
> Chart your outlook quietly and clearly; and listen to others,
> even the NWS and NSSL for they too have their story.
> Avoid loud and aggressive forecasters,
> they are vexations to the spirit.
>
> If you compare yourself with others,
> you may become bitter and vain,
> for always there will be greater and lessor chasers than yourself.
> Enjoy your successes as well as your busts.
>
> Keep interested in your hobby, however frustrating;
> it is a real possession in the changing winds of time.
> Exercise caution in your chasing purchases;
> for the world is full of trickery.
> But let this not blind you to what goodies there are;
> many persons strive for technical wizardry;
> and everywhere life is full of Faidleys.
> Be yourself.
>
> Especially, do not hate nature.
> Neither be cynical about the weather;
> for in the face of all busts and disenchantment
> it is perennial as the grass.
>
> Take kindly the counsel of the years,
> gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
> Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
> But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
> Many fears are born of fatigue and chasing alone.
>
> Beyond a wholesome discipline,
> be gentle with yourself.
> You are a child of the weather,
> no less than the wind and the rain;
> you have a right to be here.
> And whether or not it is clear to you,
> no doubt the weather is unfolding as it should.
>
> Therefore be at peace with Mother Nature,
> whatever you conceive Her to be,
> and whatever your labors and aspirations,
> in the noisy confusion of El Niño, keep peace with your soul.
>
> With all its busts, gust fronts, and broken forecasts,
> it is still a beautiful world.
> Be cheerful.
> Strive to be happy.
>
>
> and if you're into philisophy a little bit and would like to read the
> origianl "Desiderata' which was written in 1927, then go here....
> http://www.magna.com.au/~prfbrown/desidera.html
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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NZ has warnings out for this system ... The New Zealanders need to get their
rowboats out I think!

Keep your eyes on this one!
http://www.metservice.co.nz/forecasts/swb.asp

Special Weather Bulletin
Issued by MetService at 11:10am 12-Apr-2001

SITUATION AT 10 am
A depression, formerly Tropical Cyclone Sose, lies near Norfolk
Island, and is expected to move southwards to lie west of Auckland
tonight. The system has become very weak, but is likely to deepen
again as it moves southwards. Another low is developing in the
central Tasman Sea. This second low is expected to become the
dominant feature, and should lie west of the remains of Sose tonight.
The former cyclone is expected to drag very moist air onto the
northern half of the North Island, and this combined with strong
northeast winds is expected to bring a period of heavy rain to
Northland, Coromandel Peninsula, Bay of Plenty, and northern parts of
Gisborne.

HEAVY RAIN WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: NORTHLAND COROMANDEL PENINSULA BAY OF PLENTY AND THE
GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY
FORECAST:

NORTHLAND
Rain becoming heavier this afternoon. In the 12 hours from noon to
midnight Friday, 70 to 90mm is likely in some areas, especially about
the eastern hill country.
Rain should ease from the north Thursday night, but on Friday
afternoon, a band of heavy showers or thunderstorms may cross the
area.

COROMANDEL PENINSULA
Rain developing Thursday afternoon and becoming heavy in the evening.
In the 12 hours from 4pm Thursday to 4am Friday, 120 to 150mm is
likely in the ranges.Intensities may reach 25mm per hour during the
night.

BAY OF PLENTY WEST OF KAWERAU
Rain developing Thursday afternoon, and becoming heavy this evening.
In the 12 hours from 7pm Thursday to 7am Friday, 120 to 140mm is
likely in the ranges,with 30 to 50mm likely at lower levels.
Intensities may reach 25mm per hour in the ranges at times from late
evening.

BAY OF PLENTY EAST OF KAWERAU
Rain developing Thursday afternoon, and becoming heavy tonight. In
the 12 hours from 10pm Thursday to 10am Friday, 150-170mm is likely
in the ranges, and 30 to 50mm at lower levels. Intensities may reach
25mm per hour in the ranges at times after midnight.

GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY
Rain developing Thursday evening, and becoming heavy overnight. In
the 12 hours from 11pm Thursday to 11am Friday, 90-100mm rain is
possible. Intensities may reach 20mm per hour at times after midnight.

NEXT SPECIAL WEATHER BULLETIN WILL BE ISSUED AT OR BEFORE
9:00pm Thursday 12-Apr-2001



Hi all.
SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however
the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into  a low)
may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we
might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of
New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert.

---------------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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doh

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/waves.html

They were much bigger at other beaches, but much less photogenic.  The first
7 photos were taken by Jason Rainforest at Mooloolaba (north of Brisbane) on
Tuesday, and the rest were taken by myself at the same beach on Tuesday and
Wednesday

The footage from Currumbin on 7 news last night was just jaw dropping - it
looked like something from Hawaii!!!! Jason was around the area late
yesterday afternoon and managed to get this shot

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/lem/110401/dsc00123-s.jpg
(taken from Snapper Rocks)

The waves were so big that surfers had to be towed into them by jet ski's
!!!!!!!!!!!!




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On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
> However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the
> Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic
> rotation! 
> regards Clyve


Hi Clyve

I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf
of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts
which were observed on 2 Dec 1987  (Australian Meteorological Magazine,
v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip

To quote page 3

"...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a
single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from
the leading cell to the north.  All three waterspouts rotated
cyclonically." 


Cheers

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<x-flowed>
Interesting pictures from both events!. Another similar event, albeit over 
land, occurred in the Texas panhandle some five years ago (video was on one 
of the TVC series). For a short while, 6 spouts were on the ground at the 
same time, all with anticyclonic rotation!!. There is an article which 
summarises the events and misocyclone formation >>

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/er/bgm/landspout.htm

The Italian event is obviously quite similar to the above and, based on the 
pic alone, I wouldn't worry too much about someone having fun on 
photoshop...

>From: Robert Goler <robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au>
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>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:36:18 +1000 (EST)
>
>
>On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
> > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the
> > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic
> > rotation!
> > regards Clyve
>
>
>Hi Clyve
>
>I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf
>of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts
>which were observed on 2 Dec 1987  (Australian Meteorological Magazine,
>v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here:
>
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip
>
>To quote page 3
>
>"...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a
>single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from
>the leading cell to the north.  All three waterspouts rotated
>cyclonically."
>
>
>Cheers
>
>--
>
>Robert A. Goler
>
>E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
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On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Croan wrote:
> For a short while, 6 spouts were on the ground at the 
> same time, all with anticyclonic rotation!!. 

Being a bit picky here but I'm guessing you actually mean cyclonic
rotation (Northern hemisphere), as judged from Figure 5 in the paper
below. 


> There is an article which 
> summarises the events and misocyclone formation >>
> 
> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/er/bgm/landspout.htm
> 


Cheers

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At 08:24 12/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all.
>SOSE has now become an extra tropical system north of New Zealand,however
>the mass of cold air running through the Tasman (and developing into  a low)
>may pick up former TC SOSE over the next 12 to 24 hours if this occurs we
>might see Sose explode into a major extra tropical low off the east side of
>New Zealand.regards Clyve Herbert.

Yes possibly, but i think it will become rather boring. The last low system
that dropped down from the sub-tropics fizzed out and I think that Sose
will be quite similar although I could be wrong. The cold air from the cold
front forming the low in the Tasman SeaA huge anticyclone over SE Australia
looks as though it willpush Sose's remains away out to the east of us
unfortunately.
More rain to the North Island but the South Island not getting much.
Central NZ is so dry.
more boring weather continuing here on the east coast of the SI

What a shame 


JohnGaul
New Zealand Thunderstorm Soc.

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Hi all

Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps?

http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz
.htm

Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite
dissapointed.  Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the general
flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern
hemisphere maps where you can see this

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Hi Robert

http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/nsw/inside/sevwx/public/handbook/spotter6.shtml
That link has a photograph of waterspouts in the gulf... probably the same
event.

Matt Smith

Robert Goler wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
> > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the
> > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic
> > rotation!
> > regards Clyve
>
> Hi Clyve
>
> I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf
> of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts
> which were observed on 2 Dec 1987  (Australian Meteorological Magazine,
> v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip
>
> To quote page 3
>
> "...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a
> single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from
> the leading cell to the north.  All three waterspouts rotated
> cyclonically."
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

Unfortunately it just made it to 10C at our place today. I was hoping it was
going to be our first single figure max for autumn, damn close though. Mount
Boyce AWS got quite a bit warmer (11.5C, I think) although it usually does
on sunny days, being on the western side of the ridge. Our place is tucked
down on the eastern side of the ridge, it gets cool and shady pretty early.
It also takes a while to heat up in the day, during cooler months, as we
have tall-ish pines at the back off our house etc, which shelters the
northern sun until later in the morning. Hence, the snow stays around in our
yard for quite a while during winter.



Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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<x-flowed>
Hi Ben,

My problem is the FNMOC maps seem to be caught in
an "infinite loop" with an almost permanent
high over SE Australia :-(

If they could just fix the above glitch, I
would be eternally gratefull!!

I do like seeing the bigger picture - especially
when confronted with the present stalled pattern.

It's a pity we can't have both the old one and
the new...

Patrick


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>Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:39:59 +1000
>
>Hi all
>
>Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps?
>
>http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz
>.htm
>
>Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite
>dissapointed.  Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the 
>general
>flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern
>hemisphere maps where you can see this
>
>sigh
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I believe it changed yesterday.

Must say that I much preferred the old view. It certainly gave more detail
over our region. The new one is way too busy and difficult to make out
features. Personally I don't have any need in seeing what's coming when the
charts to 144hr will hopefully tell you what it's like when it actually
arrives. However, NOGAPS was designed for marine applications so I guess
it's only fair they use a display that shows more of the oceans.



> From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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> Subject: aus-wx: FNMOC map change
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Has anyone noticed the change to the FNMOC forecast maps?
> 
> http://152.80.49.210/PUBLIC/WXMAP/GLOBAL/AVN/2001041200/avn.alltau.prp.ausnz
> ..htm
> 
> Not sure how long it's been like that, but i have to say i'm quite
> dissapointed.  Sure, it gives a good view of approaching systems/the general
> flow of things, but there are plenty of other sites that have southern
> hemisphere maps where you can see this
> 
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:40:17 +1000
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Love the bit at the beginning of the first sentence!!!  Also interesting is the
fact that they actually predict the maximum rain rate!!

Special Weather Bulletin

Issued by MetService at 09:04pm 12-Apr-2001

SITUATION AT 8 pm

Although cyclone Sose is just a patch of its former self, it still manages to
spawn areas of heavy thundery rainfall which propagate across Northland towards
the Coromandel Peninsula and the Bay of Plenty. As the remains of Sose slides
down east of Northland and Auckland overnight,these heavy rainfall areas should
retreat to the Bay of Plenty and northern parts of Gisborne. By early Friday
afternoon, the heaviest precipitation should have shifted to the east of
Gisborne.
A new low is forming west of Auckland and is likely to appear off the North
Island east coast during the morning before running quickly away to the
southeast. There is another low over the Tasman Sea destined to reach Northland
and Auckland late Friday afternoon or evening accompanied by a few heavy thundery
showers.

HEAVY RAIN WARNING

AREA/S AFFECTED: NORTHLAND COROMANDEL PENINSULA BAY OF PLENTY
GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY
FORECAST:

NORTHLAND
The last of the current heavy downpours should be all over by midnight
Thursday.Another 10 to 20mm of rain is still possible in a
few places. Late Friday afternoon or evening, watch out for the arrival of a band
of heavy showers or thunderstorms from the Tasman Sea.

COROMANDEL PENINSULA
In the 6 hours from 9pm Thursday to 3am Friday, expect another 50 to 75mm of rain
in the ranges.

BAY OF PLENTY WEST OF KAWERAU
In the 9 hours from 9pm Thursday to 6am Friday, up to 100mm is likely in the
ranges, with peak intensities of 15 to 25mm per hour.

BAY OF PLENTY EAST OF KAWERAU
In the 12 hours midnight Thursday to midday Friday, expect rain to be heavy at
times, with 100 to 150mm possibly accumulating about the ranges and up to 50mm
lower down. Intensities may reach 25mm per hour in the ranges.

GISBORNE RANGES NORTH OF TOLAGA BAY
In the 12 hours from 1am to 1pm Friday, expect bursts of heavy rain, with up to
100mm likely.


--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Pearce" <rpearce2 at bigpond.net.au>
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I also don't like the new format at all.

Australia is way too small to pick out any localised features and makes it
very difficult to do any accurate forecasting off it. What is happening out
in the Indian Ocean is largely useless to me in a model sense, although the
extra latitude to the south I can see some benefits to. However, I would
have thought a more sensible option would have been to keep the old one and
add the new one as well.

Oh well, all the more reason to stay with GASP :)

Matt Pearce

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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:52:58 +1000
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Hi all,

Just looking at the 10 day MRF (ever hopeful, I know it's a bit hazy) at
http://weather.unisys.com/mrf/mrf_500p_9panel_aus.html and found that it
has officially predicted it's first cold snap for SE Aus. On the 21st
and 22nd of April it shows a cold pool wrapping around a low off the
coast that has thicknesses well below 540.

It looks as if it would be similar to the last few days except that it
all develops a bit further west which means it affects land, rather than
the Tasman Sea!

Now we just have to wait and see!

Andrew.


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From: David Findlay <david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au>
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Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and 
is it worth the US$68?

David
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:35:04 +1000
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Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
did too, at least for longer than they lasted.

Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
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HI..

Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment..  BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm.

Dave
Bathurst..


Anthony Cornelius wrote:

> Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
> on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
> lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
> 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
> did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
>
> Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
> other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
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you can keep your 3.4c david..... :))
John from Ballina
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> HI..
>
> Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment..  BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm.
>
> Dave
> Bathurst..
>
>
> Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> > Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
> > on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
> > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
> > 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
> > did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
> >
> > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
> > other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
> > --
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> > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
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Hi Robert,

Unfortunatly/fortunatly i have just been given a new computer and do not have
all the stuff to go surfing, so i can't review that weblink, but by your
quote, it seems that the waterspouts formed as a sequence of events, rather
than as a simulatenous, multiple vorticy event, which is not the case of this
photo..

cheers, Lyle

Robert Goler wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, clyve herbert wrote:
> > However I have seen genuine photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the
> > Gulf of Carpentaria these did show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic
> > rotation!
> > regards Clyve
>
> Hi Clyve
>
> I'm not sure if this is the case you are referring to regarding the Gulf
> of Carpentaria waterspouts, but I found an article on multiple waterspouts
> which were observed on 2 Dec 1987  (Australian Meteorological Magazine,
> v38, No.3). The scanned article (~1Mb) can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Stuff/GoC_waterspouts.zip
>
> To quote page 3
>
> "...two mature waterspouts which formed on the southwest corner of a
> single cumulonimbus cell.....a third waterspout in the decay stage from
> the leading cell to the north.  All three waterspouts rotated
> cyclonically."
>
> Cheers
>
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>
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Hi John,

I have to say the feedback from that post was definatly not expected.

From the fact that he is using a 120mm lens, he is probbaly quite far away and
i would tend to agree that the circulations are due to independant updraughts.
For the comment that the photo might be docked, a few of us had a close look
and if it was, it's a bloody good job :)

Cheers, Lyle

J
hn Woodbridge wrote:

> Hi Clyve,
>
> I guess it depends upon the proximity of the spouts to each other, if two
> spouts are relatively close on opposing edges of an updraft region, then you
> could expect them to have opposite rotations (somewhat like whirlpools on
> each side of an oar).  If they are further apart and associated with
> independent updrafts, then I would expect them to all rotate cyclonically
> (somewhat like the pattern of lows forming along a frontal boundary).  I
> have seem two such spouts in a convergence line off Bribie Island, but some
> 5km apart.  In this photo they look a lot closer, but distances on this
> scale can be very deceptive particularly if a telephoto was used.
>
> John.
> >snip
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Remarkable photo
>
> Hi all.
> I have to agree a very interesting Photo, although before we all get excited
> I wish I could see a couple more taken on that day.The only problem I have
> is that there does not seem to be a balance in the rotation with spin ups
> like this I would expect to see alternating cyclonic and anticyclonic
> rotation this does not seem to be occurring here so I am a little
> suspicious! of the origins of this photo!!.However I have seen genuine
> photos of multiple waterspouts taken in the Gulf of Carpentaria these did
> show interacting anticyclonic and cyclonic rotation! regards Clyve
> Herbert.(
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Hi Dave and Anthony and all,

Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a
cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around 17C
one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday) and
we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on
full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe! It must have been a
pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our way
to Darwin because of snow.

Didn;t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the
Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to  SE last night at about 11pm
and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going
towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last night
and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts.

On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has more
records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be
grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am planning a
visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some
papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have the
Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900
falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully, the
stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The
Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me
free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no
charge too!


Cheers,


Lindsay Pearce
PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me! I think i
forgot to put bloody lime in the cement!
PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that cold
outbreak.

Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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> HI..
>
> Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment..  BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm.
>
> Dave
> Bathurst..
>
>
> Anthony Cornelius wrote:
>
> > Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
> > on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
> > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
> > 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
> > did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
> >
> > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
> > other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
> > --
> > Anthony Cornelius
> > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> > (07) 3390 4812
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Any Linux Users?
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Any linux users here? I have been informed by Weather Graphics that they 
don't plan to port Digital Atmosphere to Linux. I was wondering if anyone 
would be interested in starting a team to build a Linux clone of it?

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Got down to -3 at my place in Taralga just before dawn.

The lowest in the state was Braidwood at midnight (-1), just before I
went to bed, and places like Thredbo were still positive. They must have
plumeted since then because there are some very low minima in the obs
this morning (-7 at Thredbo).

Andrew.

Lindsay Pearce wrote:
> 
> Hi Dave and Anthony and all,
> 
> Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a
> cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around 17C
> one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday) and
> we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on
> full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe! It must have been a
> pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our way
> to Darwin because of snow.
> 
> Didn;t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the
> Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to  SE last night at about 11pm
> and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going
> towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last night
> and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts.
> 
> On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has more
> records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be
> grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am planning a
> visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some
> papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have the
> Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900
> falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully, the
> stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The
> Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me
> free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no
> charge too!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me! I think i
> forgot to put bloody lime in the cement!
> PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that cold
> outbreak.
> 
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Carroll" <davidkc at nia.net.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane
> 
> > HI..
> >
> > Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment..  BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm.
> >
> > Dave
> > Bathurst..
> >
> >
> > Anthony Cornelius wrote:
> >
> > > Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
> > > on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
> > > lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
> > > 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
> > > did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
> > >
> > > Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
> > > other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
> > > --
> > > Anthony Cornelius
> > > Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> > > Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> > > (07) 3390 4812
> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re:  Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue Mountains snow records
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Interesting to see Canberra got to -3 this morning.

The Thredbo Village ob of -7 this morning is also intereting and shows the
very sharp inversion settling over SE Australia.

The Thredbo AWS (On top of the hill at Crackenback)
shows that the temp has remained above freezing from 1300 yesterday.

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65092/IDN65092.95909.shtml


I am assuming the  -5 min for Thredbo AWS was the temp at 0900
yesterday morning (the 72 obs show it was -4.6) rather than this morning.

The extent of warming in the the last 24 hours at the 1900m level (which
from the soundings was close to the top of yesterday's cold layer over
inland NSW) can be seen by the fact that from 1100 yesterday to 1100 today,
Thredbo AWS has warmed by 13.6 degrees from (-2.1 to 11.5).

On another note it looks like there is some degree of model convergence
foreshadowing a decent cold outbreak for SE Australia next weekend.

Certainly worth keeping a lookout for (and will hopefully produce some
more interesting weather for this region.)

Patrick
Canberra


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Miskelly +ADw-amiskelly+AEA-ozemail.com.au+AD4-
To: aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com +ADw-aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com+AD4-
Date: Friday, 13 April 2001 10:56
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane and a request for more Blue
Mountains snow records


+AD4-Got down to -3 at my place in Taralga just before dawn.
+AD4-
+AD4-The lowest in the state was Braidwood at midnight (-1), just before I
+AD4-went to bed, and places like Thredbo were still positive. They must have
+AD4-plumeted since then because there are some very low minima in the obs
+AD4-this morning (-7 at Thredbo).
+AD4-
+AD4-Andrew.
+AD4-
+AD4-Lindsay Pearce wrote:
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Hi Dave and Anthony and all,
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Yeah, its all relative Anthony, that's pretty cool for you guys. During a
+AD4APg- cold snap in 1986 (June/July), I was up in Darwin and it got to around
17C
+AD4APg- one night, if I remember. I was working as a labourer (working holiday)
and
+AD4APg- we went to this house for dinner at Humpty Doo and they had the heater on
+AD4APg- full blast, it was killing us, we could hardly breathe+ACE- It must have been
a
+AD4APg- pretty cold winter as we couldn't drive across the Blue Mountains on our
way
+AD4APg- to Darwin because of snow.
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Didn+ADs-t get quite as cold here as forecast this morning. I noticed on the
+AD4APg- Mount Boyce AWS that the wind went from E to  SE last night at about 11pm
+AD4APg- and then the dp's went up and so did the temp, instead of slowly going
+AD4APg- towards zero as I had hoped. I had 3.5C, which was the temp late last
night
+AD4APg- and it warmed up to close to 5C this morning with light roof frosts.
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- On another important note, If Blair, Don, Laurier and anyone else has
more
+AD4APg- records re Blue Mountains snow falls over the last 50 years or so, I'd be
+AD4APg- grateful for them. I've been in touch with our local paper and am
planning a
+AD4APg- visit to their archives cellar (It really is a cellar). Apparently some
+AD4APg- papers are missing but they have most of them back to 1963 and also have
the
+AD4APg- Echo paper there, dating back many decades. I'm aware of the July 1900
+AD4APg- falls, the 1905 falls, the July 1965 falls and a few others. Hopefully,
the
+AD4APg- stories will be eventually written up for all to see on my home page. The
+AD4APg- Blue Mountains gazette are cool about it all and have virtually given me
+AD4APg- free reign to take over the archive room for a day (or three). And for no
+AD4APg- charge too+ACE-
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Cheers,
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Lindsay Pearce
+AD4APg- PS: If that college at Humpty Doo has fallen down, don't blame me+ACE- I
think i
+AD4APg- forgot to put bloody lime in the cement+ACE-
+AD4APg- PPS: I'm with you Andrew Miskelly, lets hope MRF gets it right for that
cold
+AD4APg- outbreak.
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
+AD4APg- Email: violin+AEA-lisp.com.au
+AD4APg- ----- Original Message -----
+AD4APg- From: +ACI-David Carroll+ACI- +ADw-davidkc+AEA-nia.net.au+AD4-
+AD4APg- To: +ADw-aussie-weather+AEA-world.std.com+AD4-
+AD4APg- Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:01 PM
+AD4APg- Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg- +AD4- HI..
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4- Try 3.4 deg in Bathurst at the moment..  BRRRRRR is right.. at 11pm.
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4- Dave
+AD4APg- +AD4- Bathurst..
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4- Anthony Cornelius wrote:
+AD4APg- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Freezing here tonight+ACE-  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- on, and the house shut+ACE-  Even colder out west, 11.7C in
Amberly...much
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with
a
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue -
I
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a
few
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- --
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Anthony Cornelius
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Vice President +ACY- Queensland Coordinator of the
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
+AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4- (07) 3390 4812
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I have to say I prefer the changes.  I love getting a much large view of 
overall weather systems.  It can get very annoying not knowing what lurks 
behind the continually reappearing areas of high pressure near WA.  I can 
understand that it won't be so good when trying to observe small scale 
disturbances.  However I can still make out pressure areas and areas of 
possible rain very easily on the new map right near Adelaide.  I think it 
will improve my understanding of weather systems especially in winter when 
systems move rapidly from the south and south west.  It would be excellent 
if two maps were available, one large and one smaller, but I can make do 
with the current situation.  By the way people in the southeast should maybe 
keep there eye out for a possible front/low system by next Wednesday or 
Thursday.  It is still a long way off but hopefully something strong and 
interesting will develop.



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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Happy Good Friday!

Interesting global water vapour image, clearly showing the intense low over
New Zealand......but go north across the equator, & there's another low
almost at the same longitude!!
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/globalwv.html
This image shows it clearly (and you can load a loop of it)

or if you get lost try the main page for the site with all the satellites
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/

Back to the chocolates!!

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Digital Atmosphere
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:32 +1000, David Findlay
<david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and 
>is it worth the US$68?

David, absolutely! I've been running DA since early 1.x versions, and
if you want to really analyse synoptic surface and upper situations in
real time it is *the* package to have. You can select any area, any
size, on the globe, and draw your own charts based on your own
parameters. Given its ease of use, it is a remarkably sophisticated
program. Data comes from any of a range of US uni sites, so to this
extent its utility depends on their continuing to provide data
content. And, obviously, you need to spend a few minutes getting your
data before you can run the program. However, it allows you to produce
a fully analysed chart, complete with full station plots, within 30
minutes or so of observation time. The range of ways you can
manipulate upper air data is excellent for forecasting, + you can
generate Skew-Ts for any location, including locations interpolated
between several sites.

I'm aware of several other DA users in Australia, and I already have
developed a program that turns both the 3-hourly synoptic and
hourly/half-hourly metars I get from the BoM into a format that DA can
ingest. With a bit more tweaking for reliability (+ if there's a
demand) I could make this available to local DA users, subject to BoM
approval. The local (vs globally exchange US uni) data has the
advantage that it contains more detailed rainfall information, +, of
course, the US unis only carry the 3-hourly synoptic reports. 




-- 
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Hi Laurier,

I think you will find there would be quite some demand for the program if 
the data in real time is made a available as you suggest.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:24 AM 13/04/01 +0000, you wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:04:32 +1000, David Findlay
><david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have a copy of Digital Atmosphere 2000(weathergraphics.com) and
> >is it worth the US$68?
>
>David, absolutely! I've been running DA since early 1.x versions, and
>if you want to really analyse synoptic surface and upper situations in
>real time it is *the* package to have. You can select any area, any
>size, on the globe, and draw your own charts based on your own
>parameters. Given its ease of use, it is a remarkably sophisticated
>program. Data comes from any of a range of US uni sites, so to this
>extent its utility depends on their continuing to provide data
>content. And, obviously, you need to spend a few minutes getting your
>data before you can run the program. However, it allows you to produce
>a fully analysed chart, complete with full station plots, within 30
>minutes or so of observation time. The range of ways you can
>manipulate upper air data is excellent for forecasting, + you can
>generate Skew-Ts for any location, including locations interpolated
>between several sites.
>
>I'm aware of several other DA users in Australia, and I already have
>developed a program that turns both the 3-hourly synoptic and
>hourly/half-hourly metars I get from the BoM into a format that DA can
>ingest. With a bit more tweaking for reliability (+ if there's a
>demand) I could make this available to local DA users, subject to BoM
>approval. The local (vs globally exchange US uni) data has the
>advantage that it contains more detailed rainfall information, +, of
>course, the US unis only carry the 3-hourly synoptic reports.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Laurier Williams
>Australian Weather News & Links
>http://www.australianweathernews.com
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:00:19 +1000
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Hi all.
Convection to the north of the NT looks to have weak low level convergence
and some poor upper divergence,some of the upper stuff is extending south
eastward across the top end ahead of what appears to be a weak 300hpa
trough....at least its something to look at while this miserable high visits
for Easter!. I do have a bit of cirrus though,have you got any drizzle at
Wollongong Michael?, there must be something happening somewhere.regards
Clyve H.

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Hi Everyone,
I am heading off to check out the weather in Europe (mainly France, Italy 
and Austria) for about 5 weeks from next Tuesday and have arranged to go to 
the area in which that ‘remarkable photo’ of the waterspouts was taken. I’ll 
be sure to take some pictures to compare. Who knows what I’ll see =) . I’ll 
be sure to let you all know if anything exciting happens over there (heard 
the Italian supercells are really good). Oh, and if anyone has any links to 
weather sites (e.g., forecasts, radar etc) in these three countries it would 
be greatly appreciated. Well, enjoy your winter weather, I’m heading back to 
spring again!! Cya!!
Dave



Dave Ellem
Storm Chaser From Wollongbar,
Northern Rivers,
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Australian satpics
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:45:07 +1000
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I'm experimenting here - I've put gmsc & gmsd (the west & east Australian IR
images) on the same page at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/currentsatpic.htm

Does anyone know how to join the 2 up so that the images reload
automatically in the right places & make a single seamless image (using gold
ol' html)?

Back to the movie........

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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere
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There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here!

but if you take a look at these full globe IR images
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg ,  and
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.0000.geo.
ir.x.global.x.gif ,
with the second image being the 'rain rate' (I'm still trying to find an
explanation for the scale, but I think you'll get the idea), you'd probably
be able to name 10 places you'd like to be other than sunny Victoria.

Jane




Clyve Herbert wrote:
>there must be something happening somewhere


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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: There is weather........somewhere
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:15:54 +0930
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Great images Jane!

I think Id like to be in Equatorial Guinea or the Congo by the looks.
Southern India not to bad either!

Rgds, Paul.

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There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here!

but if you take a look at these full globe IR images
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg ,  and
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.0000.geo.
ir.x.global.x.gif ,
with the second image being the 'rain rate' (I'm still trying to find an
explanation for the scale, but I think you'll get the idea), you'd probably
be able to name 10 places you'd like to be other than sunny Victoria.

Jane




Clyve Herbert wrote:
>there must be something happening somewhere


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ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Latest weather info pages for Bris and SE QLD
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:59:45 +1000
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Hi all

Over the last few months i have been testing the following realtime weather
information pages.  What makes them unique is they contain information from
up to 8 different pages - ie for Weather Watch: Brisbane forecast, radar
image, Queensland warnings, various TWC images, Queensland extended outlook
and 4 day MSLP forecast all on the one page, which updates automatically
through some very nifty scripting (thanks to 4cm.com for the script and tech
support)


Weather Watch
http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/weather_watch.html

Storm Watch
http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/storm_watch.html


I pray that i have ironed out all the bugs - if you have any kind of
problems please let me know

They should load quite quickly, and with Storm Watch you have to option to
reduce the number of images on the page for even quicker downloading.  I
must stress that the very second the images/forecasts update on the BOM or
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from the various servers and displays it on screen when you load up or
refresh the page.

I am more than happy to help other people set up pages like this on their
own sites.  There's no way to view the script source through your browser,
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Hi Clyve

Today ( Friday ) was very sunny and a fresh S wind in the morning, by late
afternoon it was SE and light.

No clouds of any description, low, middle or high.

Michael


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> Hi all.
> Convection to the north of the NT looks to have weak low level convergence
> and some poor upper divergence,some of the upper stuff is extending south
> eastward across the top end ahead of what appears to be a weak 300hpa
> trough....at least its something to look at while this miserable high
visits
> for Easter!. I do have a bit of cirrus though,have you got any drizzle at
> Wollongong Michael?, there must be something happening somewhere.regards
> Clyve H.
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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane
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Anth and others

Cool but not remarkably cold for Brisbane at this time of year. It comes as
a sudden shock because only a couple of weeks ago we were sweltering in mega
humidity and abnormally hot nights for late March.

A shock to the system.

But I remember some rather cold ANZAC days for Brisbane (below 8 degrees)
and that is a mere two weeks away.


Regards
Simon


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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:35 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Brrrr for Brrrrrrisbane


> Freezing here tonight!  Currently 14.6C as of 10:30pm - the heater is
> on, and the house shut!  Even colder out west, 11.7C in Amberly...much
> lower than all the forecast mins...14.2C at the AP at the moment with a
> 17C min forecast.  No doubt the BoM expected the winds to continue - I
> did too, at least for longer than they lasted.
>
> Time to get out the doonah's (although they have been needed for a few
> other nights when the temps were down near 16C).
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
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At 17:06 13/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>There is something happening somewhere...but it certainly isn't here!
>
>
>Jane
>
>
>
>
>Clyve Herbert wrote:
>>there must be something happening somewhere
>

Well definitely not here in New Zealand. The remains of exTC Sose fizzed
out over the North Island and moved out to the east of the country as what
I predicted.
It did dump considerable rainfall amounts around the northern half of the
North Island, nothing in the drought areas further south of the central
North Island.
However the Media did make the weather event into some sort of story
possibly because it a holiday WE and most of NZ's population live around
the Auckland area ( I don't know why?)
Anyway more sunny skies here in the Mainland and a hint of drizzle as the
useless cold front moved across here this morning.
Thanks for you lot there in SE Australia for sending that ridge across and
making the weather quite boringer than usual for this type of weather event.
Back to more dry weather for the meanwhilst!
JohnGaul
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature
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Hi all

On top of a spectacular series of photos from Anthony Cornelius, this update
includes video captures from some of the strongest tornadoes and violent
storms ever recorded in SE QLD : the 1973 tornado (damage track of over
50km!!!!), a tornado which ripped through a caravan park north of Brisbane
in 1983, a strong tornado at Kin Kin in 1985,  an incredibly strong storm in
the Brisbane valley in March 1998, March 9 2001 flash flooding, October 13
tornadic supercell and the December 16 1998 hailstorm which dropped 10cm
hail in Brisbane

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/new.shtml

Some of the best damage stills include

http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/subs/180398_01.shtml

5 (yes FIVE!) of these towers were brought down near the town of Harlin in
the Brisbane Valley.  The towers are built to withstand windspeeds of up to
180km/h ! James Chambers has a great report on this day at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~jamestorm/bristorm/reports/mar18_98.html

and http://www.bsch.au.com/photos/subs/xx0385_01.shtml  showing very nasty
damage to houses (one in particular) caused by the 1985 Kin Kin tornado.







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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000
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Hi all.
All aboard for the chasers hot spot flight!,strap in and sit back,tonight we
will travel on our new particle accelerator craft to destinations controlled
by our mind,this new means of transport uses a new type of propulsion
....Particles are accelerated down a coiled tube 102.5m long, the inside of
the tube is diamond coated and with electromagnetic excitation every
1.5.cm.The particles are initially accelerated by a triple laser beam  and
continue to accelerated before reaching the progressively narrowing tube at
the end of which only one atom can escape,but just before this one atom
escapes it receives its final excitation.... that catapults it to light
speed which results in an enormous explosion of energy and thrust (check
Einstein's theory).Are we all ready.....We effortlessly glide skyward first
heading west, within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass
Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm, but no we move away heading
east,within seconds we pass close to Marysville, a good spot ,1260mm ave
occasional winter snow and a sealed road to Lake Mountain. This area also
comes about 30 storm days a year...not enough!,so lets keep going, our craft
responds and heads further east gliding over Mt Hotham and then on to the
Bogong high plains with rainfall about 2000mm a year and about 40 days with
thunder.....still not enough, keep moving eastward,  then to the northeast
passing over the snowy mountains along Crakenback with about 2500mm with
lots of snow and about 50 thunderdays a year,too cold you say and still not
enough thunderdays,head further east moving now up the east coast past
Sydney and then northwest to the upper Hunter with about 35 days of thunder
and a good proportion of supercells. But some of us want to go further north
we head past Premer and Mullaley to see the spectacular Northwest Plains
storms with their exploding microbursts  fanning out across the open
grasslands and the occasional lonely Tornado...But this is still not enough,
lets head northeast to Glen Innes and watch the superb northern Tablelands
summer spectacular with rotateing bases and huge hail and a little further
east to see the high cape supercells of the north-eastern New South Wales
coastal hinterland, our craft slows but then speeds up to head northwest to
the Border Range with 70 or 80 days of thunder a year, now this is more like
it. Again our craft slows but does not stop but again accelerates northward
along the divide and reaching the Capricornia where huge supercells reach
skyward to better than 70.000ft these I have to see.But some of us want to
head back and are dropped off at various places but I want to go forward and
northward we say our goodbyes and I head north again ...passing off the
coast at the Whitsunday's and making a great arc and within seconds I
decelerate and come ashore at Deeral, this place I like with 4021mm a year
and about 35 days with thunder ,occasional cat 3 tropical  Cyclones, my
craft slows and I check the other places here Tully with about 4326mm and
Babinda nestled at the base of Mt Barltle Frere thought to be one of the
wettest places on the Earth I like this place ......this is were I want to
be ....and that's where I will be going..

regards Clyve Herbert.
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> Your right Jimmy, when there is widespread and general instability it is
the
> first to go off often , but when conditions are borderline then Dorrigo
> often has the only storms around, and I am always a fan of borderline
> conditions. Borderline conditions don't always mean weak storms, sometimes
> they mean only the severe survive. The Ebor area just west would also be
> interesting.
>
> Michael
> >
> > As to whether Dorrigo goes off too early, it depends on the type of
> weather
> > system involved. What astounds me is that it goes off often and from
what
> I
> > have heard from the locals cops some incredible storms. If anything is
to
> > go off nearby Dorrigo will take off as well.
> >
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Subject: aus-wx: Unusual temperature differences in SE Australia
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:44:12 GMT
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There's an interesting temperature reversal from normal at present
around the NSW Southern Tablelands and NE Victoria, with a high
anchored over the region and warmer air coming in aloft. At 6am,
Bombala was -2.8, Wangaratta 0.4 and Bairnsdale 1.4, but Thredbo
Crackenback 7.9, Falls Ck 7.0, Mt Buller 7.1 and Mt Hotham 6.8.

Laurier
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Hi Ben

Cool! I've been toying with something like this for each region of
Australia using good old html, but there are limitations...  I'd love
a copy of the scripts, please. 

Just a suggestion -- a link on the weather page to the storm page, and
vice versa.

Laurier


On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:59:45 +1000, "Ben Quinn"
<benquinn at optushome.com.au> wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Over the last few months i have been testing the following realtime weather
>information pages.  What makes them unique is they contain information from
>up to 8 different pages - ie for Weather Watch: Brisbane forecast, radar
>image, Queensland warnings, various TWC images, Queensland extended outlook
>and 4 day MSLP forecast all on the one page, which updates automatically
>through some very nifty scripting (thanks to 4cm.com for the script and tech
>support)
>
>
>Weather Watch
>http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/weather_watch.html
>
>Storm Watch
>http://www.bsch.au.com/realtime/storm_watch.html
>
>
>I pray that i have ironed out all the bugs - if you have any kind of
>problems please let me know
>
>They should load quite quickly, and with Storm Watch you have to option to
>reduce the number of images on the page for even quicker downloading.  I
>must stress that the very second the images/forecasts update on the BOM or
>TWC server, they update on the page, as the scripting simply grabs the info
>from the various servers and displays it on screen when you load up or
>refresh the page.
>
>I am more than happy to help other people set up pages like this on their
>own sites.  There's no way to view the script source through your browser,
>so if you want to go ahead and set it up yourself just email me and i'll
>forward you the details.
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Rain rates at http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/
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Jane

I think the rain rate scale for
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/ir_color/20010413.1800.geo.ir.x.global.x.gif
is the same as given along the bottom of the daily, 6-hourly, etc.,
accumulations accessed off
http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/rain/accumulations/

There's also some useful stuff if you follow the "NRL products
training" link off http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/, then click on
"geostationary rainrate"

Laurier

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Jane, 

The US Naval Research Lab Monterey site you gave in the earlier post
has some gems. I hadn't visited for a while, but they've obviously
been busy.

If you go to http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/sat-bin/rain.cgi?GEO=aus,
there are realtime satellite-derived rainfall rates from 1 to 24 hours
specifically for Australia. Also a cool enhanced IR image for
Australia. Links at the top go to a 1-week archive that can be
animated in a variety of ways.

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Great trip thanks Clive.  I've been to quite a number of those places.  
Last time I went to Weeaproinah was in about 1954 or earlier when I 
caught a narrow-gauge (2' 6") passenger train from Colac drawn by a G 
class Garrett steam engine.  Does anyone know whether the old railway 
line still goes there?

Phil
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000
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<snip>
within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass
> Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm, 
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Hi Phil.
The old Otways railway is long gone,however I had the good luck to be paired
with the last driver to work the line who was transferred from Colac to
Geelong in 1976. At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me
some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track
I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old
Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is
being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards
Clyve Herbert.
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> Great trip thanks Clive.  I've been to quite a number of those places.
> Last time I went to Weeaproinah was in about 1954 or earlier when I
> caught a narrow-gauge (2' 6") passenger train from Colac drawn by a G
> class Garrett steam engine.  Does anyone know whether the old railway
> line still goes there?
>
> Phil
> <><
> International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672
>
>
>
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:29:07 +1000
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Perfect Place to Live
>
> <snip>
> within nanoseconds we reach the Otway ridge and pass
> > Weeaproinah with an annual rainfall of 1960mm,
> <huge snip>
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What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in australia - 
why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.

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Because they only happen in America and we get the odd mini one ;)

(Im being sarcastic)

Matt Smith

http://www.sydneystormchasers.com

David Findlay wrote:

> What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in australia -
> why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.
>
> David
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David,

Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to
people's perception, habits & education.

1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the
incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section.
They found that there was a very strong correlation between the
following:
i)    major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway
ii)    cities / towns & sightings

Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its
time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great
proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population
centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when
you talk about tornadoes.

2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at
lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping
centres.  Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different
directions?

How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they
are looking at?  or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly:


"The question is not what you look at, but what you see."


David Findlay wrote:


> What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in
australia -
> why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.


Jane
--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me
>some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The track
>I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old
>Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other is
>being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards
>Clyve Herbert.
>

Hi Clyve,
 Are you a loco driver??
 I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here
in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here
in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the West
Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in
weather/meteorology. 
Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list?


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Hi John.
I joined the Victorian Railways in 1974 as a lad trainee or we were known as
cleaners then,initially based at South Dynon (Melbourne),but transferring to
Geelong in 1975,then qualifying as a diesel loco driver in 1977,most of our
work was on heavy wheat trains between Maryborough/Ballarat and to Geelong,I
was transferred to Melbourne in 1988 and have been there ever since (200k
round trip to work!). Here I drive suburban electrics and I enjoy the job
very much,the only other driver (ex)I now on the list is Bussie from
Rutherglen in North-eastern Victoria who occasionally shows up on the list
with his very humorous remarks (typical railwayman).I did spend about a week
pottering around the north island of NZ about 4 years ago including a
drenching on the railway platform at Stratford near New Plymouth, a location
I liked very much.Its a small world because a friend of mine from a locally
based private rail co (West Coast Rail) has been short listed in the present
sell off of the passenger division of NZ rail and he is very keen to buy
this system which includes the section from Christchurch to
Greymouth.Regards Clyve Herbert.
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> At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me
> >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The
track
> >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old
> >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other
is
> >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards
> >Clyve Herbert.
> >
>
> Hi Clyve,
>  Are you a loco driver??
>  I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here
> in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here
> in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the
West
> Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in
> weather/meteorology.
> Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list?
>
>
> JohnGaul
>
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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I'll put my hand up. I'm guilty as charged as well. Well ex driver anyway
:-)
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me
> >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The
track
> >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old
> >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the other
is
> >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy railway.regards
> >Clyve Herbert.
> >
>
> Hi Clyve,
>  Are you a loco driver??
>  I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail here
> in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based here
> in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the
West
> Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in
> weather/meteorology.
> Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list?
>
>
> JohnGaul
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:30:33 +1000
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Hi Jane,
That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one
occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and
someone 
looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to that
effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying to
observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be
stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can see
Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters some
comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think you
are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the
weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is check
the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door...
Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to
> people's perception, habits & education.
> 
> 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the
> incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section.
> They found that there was a very strong correlation between the
> following:
> i)    major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway
> ii)    cities / towns & sightings
> 
> Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its
> time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great
> proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population
> centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when
> you talk about tornadoes.
> 
> 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at
> lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping
> centres.  Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different
> directions?
> 
> How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they
> are looking at?  or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly:
> 
> "The question is not what you look at, but what you see."
> 
> David Findlay wrote:
> 
> > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in
> australia -
> > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.
> 
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:01:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Mario Paul <stormtwist at yahoo.com>
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With the storm season just about over I am organising
a bushwalk for ASWA members and their friends to help
combat SDS ! The details are as follows:
SATURDAY 21st April, meet at Wentworth Falls Train
Station at 10am SHARP!!! From there we will decide on
the day as to which walk we will do.There are plenty
to choose from.Bring good walking shoes,food and
drink.Afterwards if there is time we might go to a pub
or a cafe for a drink and a bite to eat.Bring your
friends as everyone is welcome.Should be a fun day
out. By the way the weather forecast will be as
follows: SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE FOR THE BLUE MTS
AREA WITH LARGE HAIL AND A TORNADO WARNING !! ...so
bring your cameras.......  Hope to see a big turnout:)
Any questions email me personally on  
stormtwist at yahoo.com 

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This happens to me all the time - pausing to stare out of the window at work
at some Cb or another usually gets "what are you looking for" or similar.

This is in a country that's the most tornado - prone on earth.... but if any
of you watch the BBC world service / weather you'll know that it's played
down here...

A lengthy explanation about (single cell / coldie) showers spawning
tornadoes usually follows....

Les
Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
UK Storm Chasers,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
www.uksevereweather.org.uk

Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
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> Hi Jane,
> That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one
> occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and
> someone
> looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to that
> effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying to
> observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be
> stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can see
> Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters some
> comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think you
> are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the
> weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is check
> the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door...
> Jane ONeill wrote:
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to
> > people's perception, habits & education.
> >
> > 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped the
> > incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx section.
> > They found that there was a very strong correlation between the
> > following:
> > i)    major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway
> > ii)    cities / towns & sightings
> >
> > Considering that the great majority of the population spends most if its
> > time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great
> > proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major population
> > centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised when
> > you talk about tornadoes.
> >
> > 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at
> > lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping
> > centres.  Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many different
> > directions?
> >
> > How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what they
> > are looking at?  or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly:
> >
> > "The question is not what you look at, but what you see."
> >
> > David Findlay wrote:
> >
> > > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in
> > australia -
> > > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.
> >
> > Jane
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Thought it was a joke when I heard about it on the radio, but it seems to
be for real:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm


Anyone for Toast and Java?


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The question is what symbol you'd like the most on your toast (:

The BBC has a tornado warning symbol - for those of you who lived in Britain
20 years ago it's a carbon copy of the old Flash advert - "cleans like a
white tornado" - no joke!!

(:

Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
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> Heard about this on the radio and thought it was a joke, but it seems to
> be real.
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm
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> Toast and Java anyone?
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=468282917-14042001>Hi there, my name is 
John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really subscribe to being 
truly&nbsp;"Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look upward. My hobby 
being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However I would like to ask you 
a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I witnessed a cloud band that 
stretched from the east coast to the west and was absolutely dead straight(North 
to south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this 
occurred at about 4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond 
it promptly broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up&nbsp;I guess). Did 
anyone else see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would 
be greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who 
thinks&nbsp;otherwise.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: The Structure & Mechanisms of Hailstorms
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Morning all,

The paper by Keith Browning "Structure & Mechanisms of Hailstorms" (43p)
is now online at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/br1.htm

Many thanks to Keith for making this paper publicly available, and to
Robert Goler for doing a fantastic job of scanning it.

Jane

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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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Hi John,

I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud 
looked like...

Was the following the day:  21/03/01

"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud 
increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some 
castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day."

Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc.

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really 
>subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look 
>upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However 
>I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I 
>witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and 
>was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning 
>Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 
>4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly 
>broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else 
>see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be 
>greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks 
>otherwise.
>
>thanks in advance
>JD & PS
>
>

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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I am convinced that the majority of tornadoes occurring in Australia are 
never reported simply because nobody happened to look out and see them 
and they didn't blow anyone's house to smithereens.
I can recall many many times in country newspapers when there would be a 
report that on Farmer So'n'so's property "the thunderstorm left a strip 
of trees 100 metres wide by 500 metres long all knocked down" but never a 
mention of a tornado.  The best might be some comment about freak winds.
And as for comments made by colleagues when you are looking out the 
window at the office, in one place I worked they used to refer to me 
as "Chicken Little"! 
Phil
<><
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Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 17:00:47 +0100
Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature

> This happens to me all the time - pausing to stare out of the window at
> work
> at some Cb or another usually gets "what are you looking for" or
> similar.
> 
> This is in a country that's the most tornado - prone on earth.... but
> if any
> of you watch the BBC world service / weather you'll know that it's
> played
> down here...
> 
> A lengthy explanation about (single cell / coldie) showers spawning
> tornadoes usually follows....
> 
> Les
> Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
> UK Storm Chasers,
> Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
> www.uksevereweather.org.uk
> 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Barnett" <weather at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: New photos - the power of mother nature
> 
> 
> > Hi Jane,
> > That's an interesting comment about people's perceptions. On one
> > occasion I looked out the window at work to check on the weather and
> > someone
> > looked at me silly and said 'the sky's still there' or something to
> that
> > effect. He had no idea that I wasn't 'looking at the sky' but trying
> to
> > observe the direction of the clouds at various levels. Or I'll be
> > stopped in the street by a fellow workmate while looking as if I can
> see
> > Superman coming (to the other person's mind) and the person utters
> some
> > comment that has no relevance at all..but only because, as I think
> you
> > are suggesting, most people don't know what to look for in the
> > weather.Every time I step out for a break the first thing I do is
> check
> > the sky, or the temperature on the clock on the building next door...
> > Jane ONeill wrote:
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > Probably has a bit to do with a couple of things - strongly tied to
> > > people's perception, habits & education.
> > >
> > > 1) Two years ago , Peter Corlett, a Victorian ASWA member, mapped
> the
> > > incidence of tornado sightings on behalf of the BoM Severe Wx
> section.
> > > They found that there was a very strong correlation between the
> > > following:
> > > i)    major arterials & sightings, eg: Hume Highway
> > > ii)    cities / towns & sightings
> > >
> > > Considering that the great majority of the population spends most
> if its
> > > time buried in the cities around the seaboard, & yet the great
> > > proportion of sightings occur in the 'bush'(ie: outside major
> population
> > > centres), I'm not surprised at the fact that people are surprised
> when
> > > you talk about tornadoes.
> > >
> > > 2) Try this little experiment about perception - sit somewhere at
> > > lunchtime & watch people coming out of office buildings & shopping
> > > centres.  Do they look at the sky? For how long? In how many
> different
> > > directions?
> > >
> > > How many people (other than us) actually stop & actually 'see' what
> they
> > > are looking at?  or as Henry David Thoreau put it so succinctly:
> > >
> > > "The question is not what you look at, but what you see."
> > >
> > > David Findlay wrote:
> > >
> > > > What I want to know is - with all this evidence of tornadoes in
> > > australia -
> > > > why are so many people suprised when you talk about them.
> > >
> > > Jane
> > > --------------------------------
> > > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> > >
> > > ASWA - Victoria
> > > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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> > >
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Hi Jimmy

Thanks for replying.

We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been the
previous Sunday but we don't think so)

I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other
strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site
http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very
similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to
west.  I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which
are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it
was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was
being gust or rolled upwards?  I could kick myself I didn't get the camera
out!
I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one similar,
but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the
sky, which amazed me.

Are these "morning glories" really rare?  Have they been seen around here
before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw.

Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography?
I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a
great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so
small most didn't notice it!

Thanks
Philisity Dryden


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Hi John,

I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud
looked like...

Was the following the day:  21/03/01

"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud
increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some
castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day."

Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc.

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really
>subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look
>upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However
>I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
>witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
>was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning
>Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about
>4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly
>broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else
>see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be
>greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks
>otherwise.
>
>thanks in advance
>JD & PS
>
>

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

Web Page with Michael Bath

Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
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Hi Philisity,

I take it you mean 4:30pm. Was the day rainy or did it rain later? Was it 
white in colour with darker clouds above or grayer with light clouds above 
or perhaps blue sky I am thinking?

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0713jd02.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd01.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd02.jpg

This is the type of weather I recorded on the 25th March 2001, the date you 
suggested. So I assume this cloud was a whitish looking long band probably 
developing as light winds changed to SE or E and moved inland. The moisture 
around that day because of the light rain allowed for the low cloud to develop.

I assume the cloud you saw was something like this:

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1998/0819jd01.jpg

What do you think?

Jimmy Deguara

At 01:18 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy
>
>Thanks for replying.
>
>We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been the
>previous Sunday but we don't think so)
>
>I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other
>strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site
>http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very
>similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to
>west.  I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which
>are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it
>was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was
>being gust or rolled upwards?  I could kick myself I didn't get the camera
>out!
>I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one similar,
>but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the
>sky, which amazed me.
>
>Are these "morning glories" really rare?  Have they been seen around here
>before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw.
>
>Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography?
>I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a
>great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so
>small most didn't notice it!
>
>Thanks
>Philisity Dryden
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara
>Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 8:38 AM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud
>looked like...
>
>Was the following the day:  21/03/01
>
>"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud
>increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some
>castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day."
>
>Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really
> >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look
> >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However
> >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
> >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
> >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning
> >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about
> >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly
> >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else
> >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be
> >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks
> >otherwise.
> >
> >thanks in advance
> >JD & PS
> >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
>Web Page with Michael Bath
>
>Australian Severe Weather Home Page
>http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
>President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>
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Hi John and Philisity

Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some
astronomical observing on this morning?  The satellite imagery shows very
extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25.  So, if you were doing some
observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud.

Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there
didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be
indicative of a morning glory.  Also, the small temperature difference
during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive
to morning glory formation.  So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy
posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw.

Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level
charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning.  However, I
can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable
format ready to be written to CD, doh!


Cheers

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote:

> Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really
> subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look
> upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However I
> would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
> witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
> was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"?
> I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical
> amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue
> Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I
> posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly
> appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.
> 
> thanks in advance
> JD & PS
> 
> 
> 

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It seems that there is some potential for this system.

Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement will
be the key.

Paul.

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
Northern Territory Region
Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
   Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
           ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
   Central pressure: 1008 hPa
   Recent movement : slowly towards the W

DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
          Next 24h : low
           24-48 h : low
           48-72 h : moderate
NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
REMARKS
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Hi Jimmy

No it was actually pre-dawn, it was pretty dark but you could see it very
clearly, hence the reason I did not photograph it, pillow was more
important! I really don't know what colour it was, I guess it was lighter
than the night sky, so we could see it.  It wasnt' dark and stormy looking,
you could tell it was going to be a nice day type of thing, the rest of the
sky was really clear, it was like someone had swept all the clouds together
in a neat line across the sky.  It also looked like it was rolling up the
sky, which made sense when John said it was part of a thermal updraft that
gliders ride like a wave?  I just thought he was nuts and went back to
sleep.  The first three photos below are nothing like it at all, the bottom
one is not really either, it is only similar due to the dark bank cloud
bottom left, but it's not straight enough or long enough and the rest of the
sky is cloudy as well looking like it is going to storm or has, whereas what
we saw was very long whispy upwards, but a definite thick bank with a
completely flat straight edge. It was very beatiful indeed which makes me
keep thinking about it, oh well... I'll be sure to get the camera out next
time!
Sorry to waste your time

Philisity

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Hi Philisity,

I take it you mean 4:30pm. Was the day rainy or did it rain later? Was it
white in colour with darker clouds above or grayer with light clouds above
or perhaps blue sky I am thinking?

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0713jd02.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd01.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1995/0929jd02.jpg

This is the type of weather I recorded on the 25th March 2001, the date you
suggested. So I assume this cloud was a whitish looking long band probably
developing as light winds changed to SE or E and moved inland. The moisture
around that day because of the light rain allowed for the low cloud to
develop.

I assume the cloud you saw was something like this:

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/1998/0819jd01.jpg

What do you think?

Jimmy Deguara

At 01:18 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jimmy
>
>Thanks for replying.
>
>We think it was Sunday the 25th March 4.30am. (Although it could of been
the
>previous Sunday but we don't think so)
>
>I decided to see if John was right and check the web, (surely some other
>strange person was up a that time and saw it?), I found this web site
>http://www.dropbears.com/brough/images.htm and the cloud looked very very
>similar, as John said it ran from North to south and was travelling east to
>west.  I then came across your web site and the pics of shelf clouds, which
>are also similar but all appear a bit too fluffy? (good technical word), it
>was completely flat and straight on the bottom and looked to me like it was
>being gust or rolled upwards?  I could kick myself I didn't get the camera
>out!
>I have looked at the catalogue and the attached one is the only one
similar,
>but it was much more spectacular and straight, with no other clouds in the
>sky, which amazed me.
>
>Are these "morning glories" really rare?  Have they been seen around here
>before? I guess we will just forever wonder what we saw.
>
>Also do you have any tips on good vantage points for lightning photography?
>I attempted to take some shots a while ago, there was (well I thought) a
>great shot of lightning hitting a building, but unfortunately it was so
>small most didn't notice it!
>
>Thanks
>Philisity Dryden
>
>
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>Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 8:38 AM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>
>
>Hi John,
>
>I live nearby at Schofields. I am trying to think when and what your cloud
>looked like...
>
>Was the following the day:  21/03/01
>
>"Spectacular sunrise. Altocumulus cover with altostratus.\\\ Cloud
>increased with some rain. This cleared with rain band to E and NE. Some
>castellanus persisted behind the cloud mass. Cloud from the NNW. Warm day."
>
>Was it during the afternoon or morning etc etc.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 04:04 AM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't
really
> >subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally
look
> >upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However
> >I would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
> >witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
> >was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning
> >Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about
> >4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it
promptly
> >broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else
> >see it? Am I posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be
> >greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks
> >otherwise.
> >
> >thanks in advance
> >JD & PS
> >
> >
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
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>
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Hello Robert
Nope he wasn't exactly star-gazing, to explain I'll have to tell you how
silly he is, he listens to English football live over the net, mad
Birmingham supporter, and that morning the game finished about 4am, so after
that he went outside to check the sky out and noticed this cloud, then very
kindly woke me up to look at it, this is how amazing it looked, I'm not very
happy when I am woken up at such a time in the morning.  We should of paid
more attention to the date & taken a photo, but we just sort of went on
about normal business, but I just couldn't stop thinking about it.  We tried
to remember by looking at the football games and we are pretty sure it was
this Sunday morning, but the weekend before there was a game same time, so
it could of been the 18th but I didn't think it was that long ago.  We are
not very good weather watchers are we? I won't hesitate to photograph
anything unusual next time, it will make life a lot easier!
Thanks for checking into it for us,
Philisity


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Hi John and Philisity

Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some
astronomical observing on this morning?  The satellite imagery shows very
extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25.  So, if you were doing some
observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud.

Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there
didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be
indicative of a morning glory.  Also, the small temperature difference
during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive
to morning glory formation.  So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy
posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw.

Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level
charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning.  However, I
can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable
format ready to be written to CD, doh!


Cheers

On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote:

> Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really
> subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look
> upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However
I
> would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
> witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
> was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning
Glory"?
> I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical
> amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue
> Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I
> posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly
> appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.
>
> thanks in advance
> JD & PS
>
>
>

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David

Where do we all get one of these ? They will sell like hot cakes (pardon the
pun).

Can you imagine the latest sat pic on toast !

Simon


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> Thought it was a joke when I heard about it on the radio, but it seems to
> be for real:
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm
>
>
> Anyone for Toast and Java?
>
>
> David Hart (Netdave)
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G'day Paul

Yes this looks quite interesting on the latest sat pics - this one looks
like it could be a genuine twin with the low due north. JTWC has potential
development of both systems as poor at this stage, but that is usually no
sign that development will not occur. Most TC's start off with a poor prog
from JTWC.

Not worthy of mention at JTWC as yet, but keep watching the area between
Vanuatu and Fiji. Very very early days, but conditions look quite favourable
in this area for the formation of a depression of some description. Who
knows after this, bearing in mind it is quite late in the season now

Regards
Simon



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> It seems that there is some potential for this system.
>
> Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement
will
> be the key.
>
> Paul.
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
> Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
> TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
>    Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
>            ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
>    Central pressure: 1008 hPa
>    Recent movement : slowly towards the W
>
> DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
>           Next 24h : low
>            24-48 h : low
>            48-72 h : moderate
> NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
> cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
> LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
> REMARKS
> A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to
move
> westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop.
> DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.
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Philisity and all

I'd doubt the 18/3/01, because a substantial low east of Gabo Island
was giving southwesterlies over Sydney with only patchy cloud.
However, my archived IR satpics for 12 to 18 UTC 24/03/01 (10pm
24/03/01 to 4am 25/03/01) have been helpful. A very weak prefrontal
trough passed across Sydney sometime around dawn -- the front itself
washed out later in the day on the south coast. However, there is a
clear though discontinuous ropeline cloud visible on the 12UTC IR
image, lying from off the coast south of Moruya NW to around Nyngan,
marking the clearing edge of the cloudmass covering all of the NE half
of NSW at the time. This has become absorbed into the cloudmass by
16UTC, and the clearing edge stalled around Jervis Bay around this
time. However, the feature may have retained its integrity and moved
into the main cloudmass, as there is evidence of a ropeline cloud
extending SE from the Illawarra coast and moving NE until the 18UTC
pic. 

Sunday 25 March was the morning that EDST changed back to EST, so
1800UTC was 4am EST. I think this was the cloud feature you saw, and
that it was somehow mechanically induced by the upper wind change with
the trough. I haven't looked at the surface obs, but the surface chart
suggests the winds would have been light and variable, and that the
general cloud cover would have kept temps pretty uniform. I doubt that
a true Morning Glory type of mechanism -- i.e. a gravity wave -- would
have been operating, but some sort of dynamic wave generated by the
trough would have been responsible.

Laurier


On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:19:48 +1000, "John Dryden" <johnd at ihug.com.au>
wrote:

>Hello Robert
>Nope he wasn't exactly star-gazing, to explain I'll have to tell you how
>silly he is, he listens to English football live over the net, mad
>Birmingham supporter, and that morning the game finished about 4am, so after
>that he went outside to check the sky out and noticed this cloud, then very
>kindly woke me up to look at it, this is how amazing it looked, I'm not very
>happy when I am woken up at such a time in the morning.  We should of paid
>more attention to the date & taken a photo, but we just sort of went on
>about normal business, but I just couldn't stop thinking about it.  We tried
>to remember by looking at the football games and we are pretty sure it was
>this Sunday morning, but the weekend before there was a game same time, so
>it could of been the 18th but I didn't think it was that long ago.  We are
>not very good weather watchers are we? I won't hesitate to photograph
>anything unusual next time, it will make life a lot easier!
>Thanks for checking into it for us,
>Philisity
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Robert Goler
>Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2001 3:15 PM
>To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: List Newbie Ignorami
>
>
>
>Hi John and Philisity
>
>Just checking through my weather archives, were you actually doing some
>astronomical observing on this morning?  The satellite imagery shows very
>extensive high cloud cover during the 24/25.  So, if you were doing some
>observing, then perhaps this wasn't the day that you saw the cloud.
>
>Looking at the observations across the Sydney region for March 25th, there
>didn't seem to be any wind change or pressure drop which would be
>indicative of a morning glory.  Also, the small temperature difference
>during the day on the 24th to the morning of the 25th are not conducive
>to morning glory formation.  So, perhaps some of those pictures Jimmy
>posted, but visible in the morning, _may_ be what you saw.
>
>Checking the previous Sunday 18th March, and judging by the mean sea level
>charts, there also would have been cloud present that morning.  However, I
>can't judge the conditions for this day as the data is in an unreadable
>format ready to be written to CD, doh!
>
>
>Cheers
>
>On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, John Dryden wrote:
>
>> Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't really
>> subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we occasionally look
>> upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being photography. However
>I
>> would like to ask you a question if that is OK. About 3-4 weeks ago I
>> witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the east coast to the west and
>> was absolutely dead straight(North to south)! Was this the "Morning
>Glory"?
>> I live in Blacktown, Sydney and this occurred at about 4.30am(typical
>> amateur astronomer). Once it hit about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue
>> Mountains causing the break up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I
>> posting an already answered thread? Any responses would be greatly
>> appreciated as I'm hedging my bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.
>>
>> thanks in advance
>> JD & PS
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>
>Robert A. Goler
>
>E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
>
>Department of Mathematics and Statistics
>Monash University
>Clayton, Vic 3800
>Australia

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So we can't have our weather and eat it too?
And if we get indigestion, will a severe wind warning be issued...?
In the event of a rumbling tummy, I hope provision has been made for
thunder down under....

David Hart wrote:
> 
> Heard about this on the radio and thought it was a joke, but it seems to
> be real.
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1264000/1264205.stm
> 
> Toast and Java anyone?
> 
> -David Hart-
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I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my
surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about
weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site,
Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and
Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and
also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary.

I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at:

http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg

The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough.

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Hi Jacob and all,

Looks as though there is confusion in the article between ASWA and ASW....

Well, they can eventually find the Australian Severe Weather Association 
from our site.

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote:

>I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my
>surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about
>weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site,
>Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and
>Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and
>also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary.
>
>I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg
>
>The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough.
>
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Hi Jacob,

Interesting about that. The author is the same person who wrote an article 
about myself and ASWA in the Australian - perhaps he felt guilty he never 
included URL's in that article.

Oh well interesting article. At least we don't follow porn.....

Jimmy Deguara

At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote:

>I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my
>surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about
>weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site,
>Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and
>Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and
>also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary.
>
>I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at:
>
>http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg
>
>The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough.
>
>Jacob
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http://www.smh.com.au/news/0104/13/spectrum/spectrum1.html



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from
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Yeah, I just realised that, but hopefully as you say, people can find it
through your ASW page.

Jacob

At 07:03 PM 15/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Jacob and all,
>
>Looks as though there is confusion in the article between ASWA and ASW....
>
>Well, they can eventually find the Australian Severe Weather Association 
>from our site.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 04:37 PM 15/04/01 +0800, you wrote:
>
>>I was looking through the Perth newspaper the Sunday times today, and to my
>>surprise came an article titled, "Watch the weather", it talked about
>>weather sites on the internet, and mentioned my site, JJ's Karratha site,
>>Ira's page plus a few eastern states pages, including Michael Bath's and
>>Jimmy Deguara's Australian Severe Weather site, Laurier Williams' site and
>>also Michael Thompson's storm chase diary.
>>
>>I've scanned it, and put it up temporally on my geocities account, at:
>>
>>http://www.geocities.com/westernaust/sundaytimes.jpg
>>
>>The scan is on a bit of an angle, but you can read it easy enough.
>>
>>Jacob
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>
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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:53:05 +1000
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Hi all.
Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its better
than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu  which looked
good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting north of
the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the baric
ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should start to
allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week. regards
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Interesting how, as this low has progressed towards the east through the
day, the cloudband associated with it has thickened & expanded & radar
now has rain falling from it, except that none of the AWS' is reporting
anything - virga perhaps?

I found some rather useful charts from the BoM today - but you will need
to turn yourselves sidewarys - they are the analysis charts for 850,
700, 500 & 250hPa levels!! (links are in that order below)

http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81201
http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81202
http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81203
http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81205

I've also linked them on the MSC Cafe page at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

Jane
--------------------------------
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> Hi all.
> Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its
better
> than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu  which
looked
> good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting
north of
> the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the
baric
> ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should
start to
> allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week.
regards
> Clyve H.


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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:11:26 +1000
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Hi Bussie.
Sorry once a driver, always a driver!!!.best wishes Clyve H.
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> I'll put my hand up. I'm guilty as charged as well. Well ex driver anyway
> :-)
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Gaul" <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:21 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Loco Driver (non-weather)
>
>
> > At 10:54 14/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >At this time I was a trainee loco driver and he told me
> > >some very amusing stories about the "going's on" along that track!.The
> track
> > >I believe closed in the 1960's but I don't now the exact date,the old
> > >Garrets (I think two of them) are preserved, one at Newport and the
other
> is
> > >being restored to full working order at the Puffing Billy
railway.regards
> > >Clyve Herbert.
> > >
> >
> > Hi Clyve,
> >  Are you a loco driver??
> >  I was a locoEngineer driving locos and trains for NZR now TranzRail
here
> > in New Zealand for 27 years taking 'early retirement ' in 1996. Based
here
> > in Christchurch,it was driving trains through the Southern Alps to the
> West
> > Coast seeing all sorts of weather phenomana that gave me my interest in
> > weather/meteorology.
> > Are there any other train/loco drivers on this list?
> >
> >
> > JohnGaul
> >
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Hi all.
Its interesting to see a small vorticity centre spinning up just west of
King Is at 2200hrs,this small area of vorticity is only about 50klm across
and is above 500 hpa appears to be moving east southeast, a small rain band
has started up near Mortlake with 10 to 20mm/hr now showing up,the area of
high cloud across Vic appears to be High level baroclinic activity
associated with the upper low. regards Clyve H.
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> Interesting how, as this low has progressed towards the east through the
> day, the cloudband associated with it has thickened & expanded & radar
> now has rain falling from it, except that none of the AWS' is reporting
> anything - virga perhaps?
>
> I found some rather useful charts from the BoM today - but you will need
> to turn yourselves sidewarys - they are the analysis charts for 850,
> 700, 500 & 250hPa levels!! (links are in that order below)
>
> http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81201
> http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81202
> http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81203
> http://www.airservices.gov.au/brief/html.asp?/cgi-bin/avchart?81205
>
> I've also linked them on the MSC Cafe page at
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
>
> > Hi all.
> > Hard to find any mention of the upper low over Victoria today,but its
> better
> > than clear sky's some nice thick cirrus and even some alto cu  which
> looked
> > good in the sunset, also the weak area of convergence is persisting
> north of
> > the NT been there on and off for the past few days,at last though the
> baric
> > ridge across southern Australia is starting to weaken which should
> start to
> > allow better frontal activity across south-eastern Aus this week.
> regards
> > Clyve H.
>
>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropo: stuff.
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Hi all.
Haven't heard much talk about the tropical disturbance north of the top end
of the NT, this system is showing much better upper divergence this
morning.Seems to be in a somewhat unusually low latitude to have such nicely
developed outflow spiral arms, this region is well worth keeping a close
look at.regards Clyve Herbert.

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I remember as a fireman back in the early eighties coming through a real hum
dinger of a storm with about 40 loaded fuel tankers with the lightning
hitting trees etc all around us. That was a bit scary considering the amount
of fuel that used to slosh out of the top of the old tankers. The "oily" as
we used to call it.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That&nbsp;tropical low located&nbsp;in the northern 
Arafura Sea is looking increasingly impressive and looks capable of fairly rapid 
development.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The other two areas I have been observing don't 
appear to be up to much, although JTWC has upgraded to northern hemisphere low 
to fair prospects of further development over the next 24 hours.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Meanwhile, its been a long time since I can recall 
a developing tropical low this far north of the Northern Territory (quasi 
stationary at present), but looks likely to go to the south west to start 
with.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep watching closely.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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        "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Geostorms???
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:41:02 +0100
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>An Ozzie posted this up on usw:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>*snip*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>On our newsbroadcasts recently they forcast some "geostorms" which I think 
are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be able to be seen as 
far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen as far as Melbourne, if that.) 
Can anyone please tell me what are these Geostorms? I've never heard of them 
before.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>*snip*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Presumably they're taklking about aurora 
australis??? Certainly they've been good this year in the northern 
hemi.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les Crossan &amp; Christine Challen,<BR>UK Storm 
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From: David Findlay <david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au>
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Is that via SMS? Nothing much in the obs, i can't comment on the front - i'm 
not that good, some rain areas around mornington peninsula.

David
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From: David Findlay <david_j_findlay at yahoo.com.au>
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On Monday 16 April 2001 10:06, you wrote:
> no net access, what's wx doing in Uic? How's Weds front look? Current obs
> FTG 15.8C, early rain, Ac now clearing, sms on 0419113812

Front looks good on the sat images.

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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Twin Systems Phenomena
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Howdy all - seems the "twin systems" phenomena is occurring again. The Low N
of us has impressive outflow with convection now starting to wrap inwards
and a great cirrus shield on top. The Low is located in a low shear environ
as the ridge starts to break down. Could be very interesting couple of days.

BOM here still suggest movement to the West. Seems most likely scenario
unless something further south pushes those massive highs further south.

Any thoughts?

. WESTERN NORTH PACIFIC AREA (180 TO MALAY PENINSULA):
   A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
   B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
      (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 3.0N3
137.0E1, IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 5.0N5 138.5E7, APPROXIMATELY 250 NM
SOUTHEAST OF PALAU. ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE ANIMATION DEPICT AN
INCREASE IN THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION OF THE CONVECTION, ALTHOUGH THE
CONVECTION IS SHEARED TO THE NORTHWEST OF A LOW-LEVEL CIRCULATION
CENTER (LLCC). SYNOPTIC DATA REVEALS A LLCC SITUATED ON A MONSOON
TROUGH. THE 200 MB ANALYSIS INDICATES THE AREA IS LOCATED JUST SOUTH
OF THE UPPER LEVEL RIDGE AXIS IN AN AREA OF GOOD DIFFLUENCE AND
MODERATE SHEAR. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20
KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1006 MB. THE
POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN
THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO FAIR.
      (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS.
2. WESTERN SOUTH PACIFIC AREA (180 WEST TO 135 EAST):
   A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE
   B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
      (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3
136.2E2 HAS REMAINED QUASI-STATIONARY. INFRARED SATELLITE ANIMATION
DEPICTS IMPROVED ORGANIZATION DURING THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS. WATER
VAPOR IMAGERY REVEALS IMPRESSIVE OUTFLOW OVER THE WEST SEMI-CIRCLE
OF THE SYSTEM. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 18 TO 22
KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1006 MB. THE
POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN
THE NEXT 24 HOURS REMAINS FAIR.


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Hi Paul and All.

>Howdy all - seems the "twin systems" phenomena is occurring again. The Low N
>of us has impressive outflow with convection now starting to wrap inwards
>and a great cirrus shield on top. The Low is located in a low shear environ
>as the ridge starts to break down. Could be very interesting couple of days.
>
>BOM here still suggest movement to the West. Seems most likely scenario
>unless something further south pushes those massive highs further south.
>
>Any thoughts?

JTWC has upgraded their opinion of the Arafura Sea system by issuing a
TCFA, pasted below. They also say it is moving W.

Regards,
Carl.

>WTPS21 PGTW 160100
>RMKS/
>1. IMMEDIATE DELIVERY REQ TO AMEMBASSY PORT MORESBY
>2. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN
>160 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 8.1S9 136.8E8 TO 8.8S6 131.1E6
>WITHIN THE NEXT 06 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY
>ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.
>WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 20 TO 25 KNOTS. METSAT
>IMAGERY AT 152330Z4 INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS
>LOCATED NEAR 8.3S1 135.7E6. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING WESTWARD AT 02
>KNOTS.
>3. REMARKS:
>THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3 136.2E2, IN THE
>ARAFURA SEA, HAS CONTINUED TO ORGANIZE OVER THE PAST 12 HOURS AND IS
>NOW LOCATED NEAR 8.3S1 135.7E6. RECENT VISIBLE IMAGERY REVEALS
>BANDS OF STRONG CONVECTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE SYSTEM AND CYCLONIC
>TURNING. RECENT MICROWAVE AND SCATTEROMETER DATA INDICATE A LOW
>LEVEL CIRCULATION CENTER (LLCC) ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONVECTION. UW-
>CIMSS VERTICAL WIND SHEAR PRODUCTS INDICATE THE SYSTEM IS UNDER WEAK
>TO MODERATE VERTICAL WIND SHEAR AND BENEATH THE UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE
>AXIS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1004 MB THE
>POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE
>WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO GOOD.
>4. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY
>170100Z9.//


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From: "Karratha Weather" <karratha at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of 
Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have TC 
# 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Latest VIS 0424UTC <A 
href="http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg">http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Large image: <A 
href="http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg">http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IR: <A 
href="http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsc.jpg">http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsc.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair :D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! 
whoohooo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For those of you who want to discuss The Low north 
of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit #weather 
via&nbsp; the java chat which we have on our weather site at 
javachat.karrathaweather.org hope to see some of you there ! :)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Karratha Weather" <karratha at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) (javachat)
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if the javachat doesn't connect on the server port 
setting of 7000 change it to 6667 and it should work :)</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=karratha at iinet.net.au href="mailto:karratha at iinet.net.au">Karratha 
  Weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 16, 2001 1:36 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: TC Alistair soon ? :) 
  (javachat)</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of 
  Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have 
  TC # 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Latest VIS 0424UTC <A 
  href="http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg">http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Large image: <A 
  href="http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg">http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>IR: <A 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair 
  :D</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! 
  whoohooo</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For those of you who want to discuss The Low 
  north of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit 
  #weather via&nbsp; the java chat which we have on our weather site at 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: no net access,...
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G'day all,

I'm working on a new web site for my local area. I've tried to keep the page
simple as its mostly for Sydney folk and locals (and weather folk from this
list,of course) who want to know about current and prospective weather in
Blackheath and the Blue Mountains, especially during winter.

It's not a technical site, there's plenty of those around, more a place to
post my snow pics during winter and report other significant weather events,
as they occur. I hope to soon visit the Gazette archives (our local paper)
to write up some snow events from the past, too. Anyway, if you want to
check it out and send some constructive comments my way, its at:

http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/Blackhth.htm

Cheers,


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Sydney wmo station id 94767

I look on the archive synops at the max/min and rainfall for this location,
but it seems to unreliable with transmitting the data. Is there another
'more reliable' location for Sydney I could use from the synops. wmo id No.?

Many thanks

Keith (Southend)

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Keith, you could try 94768, which is the central Sydney site at
Observatory Hill. In my experience, though, 94767, Sydney Airport, is
pretty reliable. What source are you using for the max/min and
rainfall?

Laurier


On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:44:26 +0100, "Keith Harris"
<keith.r.e.harris at btinternet.com> wrote:

>Sydney wmo station id 94767
>
>I look on the archive synops at the max/min and rainfall for this location,
>but it seems to unreliable with transmitting the data. Is there another
>'more reliable' location for Sydney I could use from the synops. wmo id No.?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Keith (Southend)
>
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Hi Paul.
This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting
towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level
convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5
degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a
long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I
would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for
the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert,
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Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....


> It seems that there is some potential for this system.
>
> Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement
will
> be the key.
>
> Paul.
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
> Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
> TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
>    Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
>            ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
>    Central pressure: 1008 hPa
>    Recent movement : slowly towards the W
>
> DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
>           Next 24h : low
>            24-48 h : low
>            48-72 h : moderate
> NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
> cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
> LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
> REMARKS
> A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to
move
> westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop.
> DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:31:48 +1000
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JTWC has it now as  TC 20S or something, not just a low or whatever.

Matt Smith

clyve herbert wrote:

> Hi Paul.
> This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting
> towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level
> convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5
> degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a
> long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I
> would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for
> the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Mossman <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
> To: Aussie Weather Mail List <aussie-weather at theweather.com.au>; Aussie
> Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....
>
> > It seems that there is some potential for this system.
> >
> > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement
> will
> > be the key.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > Northern Territory Region
> > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
> > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
> > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
> >    Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
> >            ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
> >    Central pressure: 1008 hPa
> >    Recent movement : slowly towards the W
> >
> > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
> >           Next 24h : low
> >            24-48 h : low
> >            48-72 h : moderate
> > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
> > cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
> > LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
> > REMARKS
> > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to
> move
> > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop.
> > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.
> >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropical low
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Evening all,

Interesting water vapour image (0931Z - 0731AEST) of the tropical
low......
http://207.133.112.37/cgi-bin/show.pl?sat+aust+wv+auwv20011060931.jpg

From the Darwin BoM.....

SITUATION
At 0600 UTC Tropical Low 1002 hPa centred within 60 nautical miles of
8.0 S 134.5 E moving west-southwest at 05 knots. The low may develop
into a tropical cyclone in the next 18-24 hours.

By the way - keep your eyes on that patch of moisture in the centre of
Australia associated with another upper level low.....it would be nice
to see it down here - I've discovered that Lake Eildon actually has a
creek bed in the middle of it - I've never seen that before, & a number
of the irrigation channels in northern Victoria are almost dry!!

Jane

--------------------------------
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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: 16 Apr 01 21:42:36 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms???
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Hello Les!

15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All:

 LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be
 LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen
 LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are
 LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before.
 LC>
 LC> *snip*
 LC>
 LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly
 LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi.

Yes, it is the aurora.

Just a short summary. :-)

Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from the
Sun with the earth's magnetic field.

It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's
surface.  When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a solar
flare.  At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from the
Sun.

If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits Earth's
magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to lard
low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines).  Most of the
plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and is
directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides with
atmosheric gases.


This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most readily
observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed over 200 MHz on a severe
aurora.  Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to severe Doppler shift
on reflected signals.  Signals reflected by aurora sound a bit like the Borg
from Star Trek! :)

For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see
http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au

Tony, VK3JED

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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:41:36 +0930
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Hey all - latest JTWC advice.

B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
      (1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 6.7S3
136.2E2 IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 7.3S0 134.8E6 OVER THE ARAFURA SEA AND
IS THE SUBJECT OF A TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT (SEE REF A
WTPS21 PGTW 160100 FOR FURTHER DETAILS). MULTI-SPECTRAL AND A
160012Z0 SSM/I PASS DEPICT A DEVELOPING BANDING FEATURE EXTENDING
TOWARD THE LLCC FROM THE SOUTHEAST AND INCREASING COVERAGE OF DEEP
CONVECTION NEAR THE CENTER. ALTHOUGH THIS EVENINGS 200 MB ANAL SHOWS
THE UPPER RIDGE AXIS POSITIONED SOUTH OF THE LLCC, DIFFLUENT FLOW
OVER THE ARAFURA SEA IS CAUSE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 20 TO 25 KNOTS. MINIMUM SEA LEVEL
PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED AT 1004 MB. THE POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT OF A
SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS GOOD.
      (2) NO OTHER SUSPECT AREAS.

High cloud now covers us - with some patchy rain. Winds are still quite
light.

Paul

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Cheers- posting to usw rite away....

Les
Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
UK Storm Chasers,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
www.uksevereweather.org.uk

Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Geostorms???


>
> Hello Les!
>
> 15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All:
>
>  LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be
>  LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only
seen
>  LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are
>  LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before.
>  LC>
>  LC> *snip*
>  LC>
>  LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly
>  LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi.
>
> Yes, it is the aurora.
>
> Just a short summary. :-)
>
> Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from
the
> Sun with the earth's magnetic field.
>
> It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's
> surface.  When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a
solar
> flare.  At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from
the
> Sun.
>
> If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits
Earth's
> magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to
lard
> low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines).  Most
of the
> plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and
is
> directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides
with
> atmosheric gases.
>
>
> This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most
readily
> observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed over 200 MHz on a
severe
> aurora.  Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to severe Doppler
shift
> on reflected signals.  Signals reflected by aurora sound a bit like the
Borg
> from Star Trek! :)
>
> For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see
> http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au
>
> Tony, VK3JED
>
> .. please direct all flames to my alternate account, dev.null :-)
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At 08:57 16/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I remember as a fireman back in the early eighties coming through a real hum
>dinger of a storm with about 40 loaded fuel tankers with the lightning
>hitting trees etc all around us. That was a bit scary considering the amount
>of fuel that used to slosh out of the top of the old tankers. The "oily" as
>we used to call it.
>Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

That's nothing.
I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm
back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and
extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 loaded
CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes.
The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next morning
the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had struck.
As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched
train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went
successfully over the gap.
Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon!
A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next
day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine
express

John Gaul
ex-Train/loco driver NZR
now founder of the 
NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck!
 

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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Hi Clyve - thanks for this! Brilliant!

Though people think I am strange for wishing a TC - the feeling of being
near or in one is unbelievable....... Like supercell storm chasing except it
lasts much longer!

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of clyve herbert
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:55 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....

Hi Paul.
This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting
towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level
convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5
degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a
long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I
would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for
the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert,
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....


> It seems that there is some potential for this system.
>
> Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement
will
> be the key.
>
> Paul.
>
> BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> Northern Territory Region
> Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
> Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
> TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
>    Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
>            ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
>    Central pressure: 1008 hPa
>    Recent movement : slowly towards the W
>
> DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
>           Next 24h : low
>            24-48 h : low
>            48-72 h : moderate
> NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of tropical
> cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
> LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
> REMARKS
> A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to
move
> westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop.
> DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.
>
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Date: 16 Apr 01 21:49:59 +1000
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Hello Les!

15 Apr 01 23:41, you wrote to All:

 LC> think are caused by the sun. They said the southern lights would be
 LC> able = to be seen as far north as Sydney. ( usually they are only seen
 LC> as far = as Melbourne, if that.) Can anyone please tell me what are
 LC> these = Geostorms? I've never heard of them before.
 LC>
 LC> *snip*
 LC>
 LC> Presumably they're taklking about aurora australis??? Certainly
 LC> they've = been good this year in the northern hemi.

Yes, it is the aurora.

Just a short summary. :-)

Geomagnetic storms and aurora are caused by the collision of plasma from the
Sun with the earth's magnetic field.

It starts with sunspots, which carry powerful magnetic fields on the Sun's
surface.  When a field collapses, it releases energy in the form of a solar
flare.  At the same time, millions of tons of plasma is hurled out from the
Sun.

If the Earth happens to be in the firing line of this cloud, it hits Earth's
magnetic field, causing fluctuations in the field strength (which leads to lard
low frequency currents to be induced in powerlines and pipelines).  Most of the
plasma is deflected around the Earth, but some of it becomes trapped and is
directed towards the poles, where it is seen as aurora when it collides with
atmosheric gases.


This ionised cloud also has radio reflecting properties, which is most readily
observed in the 20-70 MHz range, but has been observed on frequencies over 200
MHz on a severe aurora.  Auroral radio reflections are distinctive, due to
severe Doppler shift on reflected signals.  Signals reflected by aurora sound a
bit like the Borg from Star Trek! :)

For more info on geomagnic storms and space weather, see
http://www.spaceweather.com and http://www.ips.gov.au

I did have a URL with samples of aurora reflected signals, but will have to
look that one up...

Tony, VK3JED

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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/
gets you to a directory of hourly/half hourly vis images, + the
latest.

http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/ir1km/
does the same for enhanced IR

http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/ir1km_bw/
does the same for ordinary IR

Laurier



On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:36:02 +0800, "Karratha Weather"
<karratha at iinet.net.au> wrote:

>Hi all
>
>Looking at the latest imagery of the Low NE of Darwin it looks like it is intensifying quite rapidly. I think we could have TC # 8 of the AU season by tonight early tomorrow :)
>
>Latest VIS 0424UTC http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_thumbs/sm20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg
>Large image: http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc01/SHEM/91P.INVEST/ssmi/vis1km/20010416.0424.gms-5.vis.x.INVEST.91P.jpg
>IR: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsc.jpg
>
>Look out Paul ! Here comes Alistair :D
>
>One last hooray for the 00/01 Season !!!!!!! whoohooo
>
>For those of you who want to discuss The Low north of the NT or any other weather and you don't have mIRC - you can visit #weather via  the java chat which we have on our weather site at javachat.karrathaweather.org hope to see some of you there ! :)
>
>Regards 
>
>JJ
>
>Karratha W.A
>
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>cyclone at karrathaweather.org
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 20:58:42 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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G'day Lindsay.
Your page is a good start.
My site at www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm was just a single text page 
when I started - now I get into trouble for using too much disk space.
However, on your site, I had trouble knowing there were links each side 
of the picture until I accidentally passed my mouse over them.
The link colour blends in with the background colour so you can't see 'em 
till after you clicked 'em.  Those are the links labeled "Snow Pics" 
and "Weather Notes".
I am using MSIE 5.5 on Windows 2000 at 800x600xHigh Colour.
Don't know if anyone else had the same problem.
When I get home I will have another look on my Windows 98 machine to see 
if it is any clearer.  (Might be just the lousy video card on my work 
computer.)

Phil
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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:15:03 +1000
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> G'day all,
> 
> I'm working on a new web site for my local area. I've tried to keep the
> page
> simple as its mostly for Sydney folk and locals (and weather folk from
> this
> list,of course) who want to know about current and prospective weather
> in
> Blackheath and the Blue Mountains, especially during winter.
> 
> It's not a technical site, there's plenty of those around, more a place
> to
> post my snow pics during winter and report other significant weather
> events,
> as they occur. I hope to soon visit the Gazette archives (our local
> paper)
> to write up some snow events from the past, too. Anyway, if you want to
> check it out and send some constructive comments my way, its at:
> 
> http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/Blackhth.htm
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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Hi Lindsay.

I also really enjoyed looking at your page! It was great to look through the
photos and also see a brief go at a forecast for the region :) I know I
tried to do something similar to that a while ago but it took too much of my
time and I didn't think it was worth it. However, I admire people that do
put the time into putting photos up on the net and writing forecasts to post
on free sites!

Keep up the good work and hope to see you on a snow chase this winter :)

Matt

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Hi All.

The BoM TC Warnings have started. Looks like the weather could get more
interesting in your neck of the woods Paul.

Regards,
Carl.

>IDDP0002
>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
>Northern Territory Region
>Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
>
>TOP PRIORITY
>
>TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING
>
>FLASH TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 1.
>Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
>at 11:44 pm CST Monday 16 April 2001
>
>A CYCLONE WARNING is now current for coastal and island communities
>between CROKER ISLAND and CAPE FOURCROY.
>
>At 11:30 pm CST a developing Tropical Low was centred about 140 kilometres
>northeast of Croker Island and 400 kilometres east-northeast of Snake Bay,
>moving west-southwest at 15 kilometres per hour almost parallel to the coast.
>
>GALES with gusts to 90 kilometres per hour are expected to develop over
>coastal
>and island communities between Croker Island and Cape Don tonight, extending
>west to Cape Fourcroy during Tuesday.
>
>
>Details of Tropical Low at 11:30 pm CST :
> . Centre located near....... 10.0 degrees South 134.0 degrees East
> . Location accuracy......... within 60 kilometres.
> . Recent movement........... towards the west-southwest at 15 km/h
> . Wind gusts near centre.... 75 kilometres per hour and intensifying
> . Central pressure.......... 1000 hectoPascals
>
>REPEATING:  A CYCLONE WARNING is current between CROKER ISLAND and CAPE
>FOURCROY.
>
>The NEXT ADVICE will be issued at 2:00 AM CST
>
>This advice is available on telephone 1300 659 211.
>
>DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre


>IDD20130
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>40:0:1:24:10S134E999:11:00
>SECURITE
>
>HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING
>
>HIGH SEAS WEATHER WARNING FOR METAREA 10/11
>Issued by the AUSTRALIAN BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
>at 1400 UTC 16 APRIL 2001
>
>IMPORTANT INFORMATION
>*   Wind speed refers to the average speed over a 10-minute
>    period. Gusts may be up to 40 percent stronger than
>    the average speed.
>*   Wave and swell heights refer to significant wave heights
>    representing the average of the highest one third of
>    waves. The likely maximum wave height can be up to
>    twice the significant wave height.
>
>GALE WARNING FOR NORTHERN AREA
>
>SITUATION
>At 1200 UTC Tropical Low 1000 hPa centred within 35 nautical miles of 10.0 S
>134.0 E moving west-southwest at 08 knots. The low may develop into a Tropical
>Cyclone in the next 12-18 hours.
>
>AREA AFFECTED
>Within 60 nautical miles of the centre.
>
>FORECAST
>Clockwise winds 20/30 knots expected to increase to 30/40 knots within
>12-18 hours. Rough to very rough seas and rising swell.
>
>0000 UTC 17 April: 10.1 S 132.3 E 996 hPa. Winds to 40 knots near centre.
>1200 UTC 17 April: 10.3 S 130.5 E 990 hPa. Winds to 45 knots near centre.
>
>REMARKS
>Ships in the general area please transmit 3-hourly weather reports.
>
>
>
>DARWIN Tropical Cyclone Warning Centre


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Thanks for that:-

94768 45/// ///// 10248 20147 30163 40211 57022
  333 20150=

max = 15°c
whereas:-

94767 41775 20203 10251 20124 30201 40207 58022 70500 81831=

No max? always unrelieble.

The link I use is:-

http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/surface/syn/?N=D

What would you suggest for Australian synops?

btw - I have to look through:- 01:00, 02:00, 13:00, 14:00 & 22:00, 23:00 to
get max - min an rainfall for them. Is there a better url I should use?

Many thanks

Keith (Southend)

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Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:43:05 -0600
From: Lyle Pakula <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi,

Sounds like a cloud streak. Not sure on the direction of the cloud and
related topography but the current theory is that 'some' cloud streaks
do originate from some type of terrain feature up wind, and this could
be a very very long way upwind. Do you recall the direction of the cloud
and location relating? On another note, these clouds are usually great
for sail planes as they supply great boyuancy for a very very long way
;)

Cheers, Lyle


John Dryden wrote:

>  Hi there, my name is John and my wife is Philisity. Whilst we don't
> really subscribe to being truly "Cloudiest" or "Weatherise", we
> occasionally look upward. My hobby being astronomy and my wife's being
> photography. However I would like to ask you a question if that is OK.
> About 3-4 weeks ago I witnessed a cloud band that stretched from the
> east coast to the west and was absolutely dead straight(North to
> south)! Was this the "Morning Glory"? I live in Blacktown, Sydney and
> this occurred at about 4.30am(typical amateur astronomer). Once it hit
> about Richmond it promptly broke up( Blue Mountains causing the break
> up I guess). Did anyone else see it? Am I posting an already answered
> thread? Any responses would be greatly appreciated as I'm hedging my
> bets against my wife who thinks otherwise.thanks in advanceJD & PS

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Subject: aus-wx: Re: My new page
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G'day Matt, Jane, Jimmy, Phil and all,

Thanks for the comments :) Yeah I'm working on the links colors/backgrounds
etc, I feel like a real newbie with this html stuff...so bare with me. I do
want to keep the site simple for entry level folk/locals etc but I certainly
will be adding more links etc. I've been a bit sick of late (I suffer from
an immune condition - think i mentioned it years ago) so as my health
improves, i'll get back into it. Hey, and sorry Matt Pearce about the
"Matt's Computing Page" in the title, you probably thought I stole a
personal template or something. :) I just used a simple template from
Sausage and forgot to change its name. Doh!

Thanks again for this wonderful weather list, I had a real bout of nasty
illness a coupla of years back and this list, in its infant stages back
then, was a real blessing to me. Still is!


Cheers,


Lindsay
PS: Yes, I'm sure we'll meet up for a snow chase. I'm usually out there
kicking around in the stuff.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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> Hi Lindsay.
>
> I also really enjoyed looking at your page! It was great to look through
the
> photos and also see a brief go at a forecast for the region :) I know I
> tried to do something similar to that a while ago but it took too much of
my
> time and I didn't think it was worth it. However, I admire people that do
> put the time into putting photos up on the net and writing forecasts to
post
> on free sites!
>
> Keep up the good work and hope to see you on a snow chase this winter :)
>
> Matt
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<x-flowed>
Interesting upper level low starting to show up on most forecast models for 
Friday this week and it's also rating a mention in South Australia's and 
Victoria's weather notes.  Adelaide looks like it will be on the far west of 
the upper disturbance reducing our chances of some interesting weather 
although it is still possible.  The system may attract a surface low from 
the south or produce it's own surface low on Friday.  NOGAPS are forecasting 
a surface low to be positioned in Bass Straight.  If the surface low does 
develop with the upper level system things could get rather interesting.  
Glad to see an upper level disturbance could have an impact on states apart 
from New South Wales and Queensland for a change.  Hope for the best for 
this coming event.



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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....
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Hi Paul.
I noted that the BOM have named this system TC Alistair on the 0400 chart. A
look at radar at 0900, a weak centre could be discerned about 90 to 120klm
north, northeast of Melville Is, or due north of Point Jahleel,it is
possible to see rain radar echo's starting to wrap around the apparant
centre.This TC seems to be moving at towards 265degrees,the system has
become smaller overnight with the upper divergence field appearing  a little
weaker. It will be interesting to see if this development "vacuum cleans the
top end of the remnants of the wet season. regards Clyve Herbert.
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> Hi Clyve - thanks for this! Brilliant!
>
> Though people think I am strange for wishing a TC - the feeling of being
> near or in one is unbelievable....... Like supercell storm chasing except
it
> lasts much longer!
>
> Paul.
>
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> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:55 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....
>
> Hi Paul.
> This tropical system is now looking very nice and appears to be drifting
> towards the southwest , the upper divergence is very good but low level
> convergence could be better,this tropical low started I believe north of 5
> degrees south and at last call was still north of 7 degrees sth, this is a
> long way north of normally maturing TC's but not unknown,at the moment I
> would be a little concerned for coastal areas north of Darwin and even for
> the Darwin district. regards Clyve Herbert,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Mossman <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
> To: Aussie Weather Mail List <aussie-weather at theweather.com.au>; Aussie
> Weather <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 3:20 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Trop Low being watched....
>
>
> > It seems that there is some potential for this system.
> >
> > Some of the rain models have picked it up for some days now - movement
> will
> > be the key.
> >
> > Paul.
> >
> > BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
> > Northern Territory Region
> > Darwin Regional Forecasting Centre
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> > TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
> > FOR THE AREA BETWEEN LONGITUDES 125 EAST - 142 EAST
> > Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
> > at 1:13 pm CST Sunday 15 APRIL 2001
> > TROPICAL LOW in the Arafura Sea...
> >    Location........near 6.4S 136.2E
> >            ........i.e.about 350 nautical mi 650 km N of Nhulunbuy
> >    Central pressure: 1008 hPa
> >    Recent movement : slowly towards the W
> >
> > DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL
> >           Next 24h : low
> >            24-48 h : low
> >            48-72 h : moderate
> > NOTE: Development Potential is an estimate of the probability of
tropical
> > cyclone development within each 24 hour period...
> > LOW = 10% or less        MODERATE = 20% - 40%        HIGH = 50% or more.
> > REMARKS
> > A weak low is located in a high pressure environment. It is expected to
> move
> > westwards or west southwestwards over coming days and slowly develop.
> > DARWIN Regional Forecasting Centre.
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: I'm back!!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:54:40 +1000
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Hey all,

Well, after my computer frying itself on me, I have finally gotten my laptop
and am back online again :o)

I see I have missed quite a bit, so the next day or so will be of me
catching up, so bear with me please.

PaulY

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Yep David, it was a SMS message sent from my mobile, found this great
service on the net which lets you do that and other great stuff

snip...

you can operate the service from a downloaded program, a web interface or
mobile.

You can send unlimited free sms messages, i have tested it with Telstra and
Optus and it worked. The response time is amazing, instant sends in peak
periods :)
You can send an sms message to an e-mail address, for example today I sent
an e-mail to the list using my mobile phone while I was chasing, very handy.
You can sent it up so you get notification as to when you get new e-mails,
and have the first 160 charaters of the e-mail sent to you (you need to have
the program operating on your PC for this feature, so would work best with
permanant connection).

You have to register before you can send any sms. etc, but it is very quick
process. To add uses you use their e-mail adress (it is there ID) not phone
number. Once registered it's just a simple process of adding contacts and
sending the messages. You can download the software or use the web
interface.

This is the homepage

http://www.1rstwap.com/

This is the login page for the web interface and sign up.

 http://www.1rstwap.com/partners/go.to/1rstwap

hope you enjoy, i have found this product fantastic.

My e-mail is njsykes at yahoo.com if you want to add me to your contact list
and have a test :)

Nick Sykes

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> Is that via SMS? Nothing much in the obs, i can't comment on the front -
i'm
> not that good, some rain areas around mornington peninsula.
>
> David



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My attention is drawn away from TC Alistair for the 
time being (looks a bit wobbly at the moment as rapidly moving TC's often 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As SG has already observed, looks good for a 
reasonable to significant rain event developing southern Qld and southwards 
towards the week end (see the GASP model for details). Also looks interesting 
for our NZ friends !</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Caution though - beyond 4 or 5 days the GSP model 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep watching</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tropical low
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:09:38 +1000
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Hi Jane

Dry here too ( by our standards ).

I noticed it today on a trip to a local point called Bass Point. This point
is mostly non porous Basalt overlayed with soil and sedimentary rock to 40ft
in places.

At sea level where the underlaying rock is exposed the ground water which
cannot penetrate past the basalt seeps out at various springs and soaks.

After 2 lower then normal rainfall years most are now dry. I have not seen
this for many years.

Michael



> to see it down here - I've discovered that Lake Eildon actually has a
> creek bed in the middle of it - I've never seen that before, & a number
> of the irrigation channels in northern Victoria are almost dry!!
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather
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OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in
Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather
region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ?

Michael


> That's nothing.
> I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm
> back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and
> extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13 loaded
> CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes.
> The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next
morning
> the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had
struck.
> As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched
> train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went
> successfully over the gap.
> Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon!
> A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next
> day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine
> express
>
> John Gaul
> ex-Train/loco driver NZR
> now founder of the
> NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck!
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:32:11 +1000
From: Keith Barnett <weather at ozemail.com.au>
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I agree with the need for caution. The BoM in Sydney is going for rain
periods on Sunday/Monday. This far out, I have often noticed such a
forecast change back to showers or even fine weather, then back to rain
again with the passage of time. I now wait and see until within 48 hours
of the time and whether or not all models basically agree with each
other..

Simon Clarke wrote:
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Upper level disturbance for SE, end of the week
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Hi SG

I must admit that I am quite excited about this too. Both NGP and GASP are
going for a nice low cradled by high pressure on Saturday, this will provide
a great mositure feed into the system. MRF is trying for a more East Coast
low scenario, which is not too good for storms, but better for heavy rain in
the Illawarra. I have never liked MRF much anyway ( MRF Mostly (w)Rong
Forecasts ). ECMWF has a similar prognosis too NGP and GASP,  just delayed a
little.

Sticking with GASP and NGP,  on Sunday the low should start drawing cooler
and drier air in behind it, this may lead to some interesting storm
possibilities in NSW, perhaps even SE Queensland. The jet stream is
currently plotted in a rather ideal setup too.

But it is early days.

Having said that I think the days of the this persistent high pressure ridge
are numbered, even if the weather does not live up to potential.

Michael


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Subject: aus-wx: Upper level disturbance for SE, end of the week


> Interesting upper level low starting to show up on most forecast models
for
> Friday this week and it's also rating a mention in South Australia's and
> Victoria's weather notes.  Adelaide looks like it will be on the far west
of
> the upper disturbance reducing our chances of some interesting weather
> although it is still possible.  The system may attract a surface low from
> the south or produce it's own surface low on Friday.  NOGAPS are
forecasting
> a surface low to be positioned in Bass Straight.  If the surface low does
> develop with the upper level system things could get rather interesting.
> Glad to see an upper level disturbance could have an impact on states
apart
> from New South Wales and Queensland for a change.  Hope for the best for
> this coming event.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:30:32 +1000
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Hi all,

On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of
people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and
trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet!

http://www.stormchase2001.com/
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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I have also seen this thread. I must admit that the reaction by some on the
WX Chase has been rather negative.

However for us Aussi's  with a fistfull of Pacific peso's it may be the
closest we get to USA chasing for a few years.

I wonder however if it ends up a pay site :-(

Michael


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> Hi all,
>
> On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of
> people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and
> trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet!
>
> http://www.stormchase2001.com/
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 17 Apr 01 20:51:30 +1000
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Hello Anthony!

17 Apr 01 19:30, you wrote to Australian Weather Mailing List:

 AC> On the Wx-Chase list some one posted this URL, it's about a team of
 AC> people who will be spending May 1st to 31st chasing in the US, and
 AC> trying to transmit live data/video/photos onto the internet!

I wonder how they plan doing that.  Would be interested to know.  Might even
get on and have a look, could be interesting.

Tony, VK3JED

.. If Death calls, take a message.  I'll get back to him.
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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Darwin Update
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Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now.

Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs.

Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which
is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage.

Wowsers....that was a decent gust!

Ciao all.

Paul.

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Michael
Yes I have to agree I would be heading for the west coast , Hokitika (I
think that's how you spell it ) with about 2500mm a year and 26 days with
thunder, lots of hail and snow capped mountains to stare at ,some good surf
too.regards Clyve H.
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> OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in
> Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather
> region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ?
>
> Michael
>
>
> > That's nothing.
> > I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW thunderstorm
> > back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and
> > extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13
loaded
> > CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes.
> > The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next
> morning
> > the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had
> struck.
> > As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a bunched
> > train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train went
> > successfully over the gap.
> > Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon!
> > A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the next
> > day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans Alpine
> > express
> >
> > John Gaul
> > ex-Train/loco driver NZR
> > now founder of the
> > NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck!
> >
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Hi Paul and All.

>Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now.
>
>Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs.
>
>Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which
>is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage.
>
>Wowsers....that was a decent gust!
>
>Ciao all.
>
>Paul.

Yes, but it is uncomfortably close to where Tracy was before it turned and
belted Darwin, so I'm not that suprised that some are a little spooked.

Keep us posted on how it is up there.

BoM server seems to be down or overloaded - have not been able to get in
there for the last hour, so cannot get the 11pm CST TC Advice.

Regards,
Carl.



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        "Tony Langdon" <tlang at freeway.apana.org.au>,
        "Tim Grugeon" <timg at turboweb.net.au>,
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        "Matthew Hallisey" <matthew.hallisey at kmail.com.au>,
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        "Kevin Phyland" <kjphyland at hotmail.com>,
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        "Karen Moseley" <kazzaar at bigpond.com>,
        "Joy Farnan" <jfarn at acepia.net.au>,
        "John Terrill" <johnterrill at iprimus.com.au>,
        "Jim Selman" <Jim.Selman at nre.vic.gov.au>,
        "Jenny Farlow" <jenny_flying at hotmail.com>,
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        "Diane Holland" <hollmd at netconnect.com.au>,
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        "Debra Russell" <scoooooooter at hotmail.com>,
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        "Dean Sgarbossa" <deansgar at alphalink.com.au>,
        "David Simpson" <dcsimpson at ozemail.com.au>,
        "David Lalor" <davidjpl at mira.net>,
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        "David Jones" <d.jones at bom.gov.au>,
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        "Darren Springthorpe" <dazlin at foxall.com.au>,
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        "Chris Daley" <jindivik at bigpond.com>,
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        "Bob Trayling" <bobtrayling at optushome.com.au>,
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Subject: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting
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ASWA Victoria's next meeting will be held this Saturday, 21st April 2001
in the meeting room at
The Pancake Parlour, 550 Doncaster Road, Doncaster at 8.30am (breakfast)

**Agenda**

Breakfast & Bragging (bring your appetite & your photos!)
Car stickers will be available - $4 each

Past weather discussion: Victorian low pressure system  ~22nd March


                             ******
                      Guest Presentation
                             ******

                Big, Bad Thunderstorms:
When Do They Form? What Do They Look Like?

Speaker:    Harald Richter (formally at NSSL, now at the BoM)

This presentation will touch upon the issues of forecasting severe
thunderstorms and their structural analysis.

The most common approach to forecasting severe convection is to
ascertain the likelihood for the the co-occurence of four key
ingredients: moisture, instability, lift and shear.  The presentation
will explain the forecasting process in more detail.

Once deep convection has formed a variety of interesting structural
elements can be identified on radar and visually.  I will present
a number of examples of these elements such as hook echoes, rear flank
downdraughts and others.  Recognising parts of the overall storm
structure is a valuable exercise as it allows a deeper understanding of
the storm dynamics. A second benefit is an improved ability to forecast
the short-term evolution of the storm including the prediction of
tornadogenesis.


                             ******

Members & visitors very welcome.  Please RSVP by Thursday 26th April to
cadence at stormchasers.au.com if you will be attending.

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
Paul Yole - Murtoa
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: aus-wx: A newbie to weather watching
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:22:44 +0200
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Hello everyone,

Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list
already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it,
or just have been interested in it for years.

Well I am a newbie.  I know the basics, (not much).  I would like to know if
anyone can help me.  I am looking for a page on the internet or a
information booklet that I can learn the basics.

I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a
storm coming and stuff???  I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can
explain or point out a document on that.  How do people read the predictions
of the weather?

Please help.

Anthony Post

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:34:03 +1000
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<x-flowed>
Ok Anthony,

You broke the peace so now you have to tell us about yourself, age, where 
live, etc etc and what got you interested in the weather. Remember, this is 
the key thing we are all looking for - not how much a person knows.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:22 PM 17/04/01 +0200, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list
>already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it,
>or just have been interested in it for years.
>
>Well I am a newbie.  I know the basics, (not much).  I would like to know if
>anyone can help me.  I am looking for a page on the internet or a
>information booklet that I can learn the basics.
>
>I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a
>storm coming and stuff???  I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can
>explain or point out a document on that.  How do people read the predictions
>of the weather?
>
>Please help.
>
>Anthony Post
>
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from
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e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Subject: [ Aussie Wx List ] BOM dead
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:50:27 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not been able to access the Bureau site 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark Hardy<BR>The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.<BR><A 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie Wx List" <aussie-weather at theweather.com.au>
Subject: Re: [ Aussie Wx List ] BOM dead
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:42:56 +1000
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Same problem here.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Jane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not been able to access the Bureau site 
  since 11pm last night. Anybody else with the same problems?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark Hardy<BR>The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.<BR><A 
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Subject: aus-wx: Vic Outlook: Storms?
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Hey all

A nice looking morning in Melbourne today. The early inversion has broken
and the northerly is in, and it's pretty warm. There is bit of altocumulus
around, and a "mackeral sky" patch. Overnight, some thunderies developed in
parts of Victoria and an extensive area of storms developed to the south of
the state. The BOM now have storms on the foecast. LI's around -2 are
progged and with the high temp, 26 forecasted, storms are looking better.
Change dont look like coming through till tonight which could be a worry,
but should be a day to keep an eye on.

Please send updates to 0419113812

Nick Sykes

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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:(
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Hi all,

I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for
now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at
home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
distractions :)

I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.

My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their
pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't
spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible!
That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!

Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all.

Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out
there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of
course.

Cheers,

Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au

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Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing 
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is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says   area>alt when trying
to goto forcasts ??????

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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:07:25 +1000
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<x-flowed>
Hi Lindsay,

I think you may have over-reacted. I think you have observed the web site 
on a computer with resolution 640 x 480 which makes the page look 
"deformed" so to speak but so does ours and others. The thing is, the 
standard resolution is 800 x 600 which is acceptable to assume. So I would 
reconsider putting the site back up - there really is nothing wrong with 
it. It will develop over time. You received such positive feedback - we 
weren't joking around either.

Remember it takes months if not years to get yourself established with 
websites. Through a lot of planning trial and error, you will find the 
right mix.

Hope to see it back up.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:22 AM 18/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for
>now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
>should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
>business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at
>home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
>distractions :)
>
>I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.
>
>My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their
>pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't
>spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
>visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible!
>That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!
>
>Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all.
>
>Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out
>there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of
>course.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
>Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
>Email: violin at lisp.com.au
>
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NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:27:50 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi Anthony,

Jimmy actually has a really good cloud guide that might help you about
how to know when there is a storm coming/around by simply looking at the
sky.

The URL is http://australiasevereweather.com/techniques/index.html

I really think this is a fantastic site for anyone who is looking at
trying to "read the sky!"  It's in detail, so it will take a while to go
through it, but after all - all learning takes time.

The BoM also have a spotter guide which is on the net...but the BoM is
down (and has been for nearly 12hrs now!)  So I can't search for it.

AC

Anthony Post wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list
> already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it,
> or just have been interested in it for years.
> 
> Well I am a newbie.  I know the basics, (not much).  I would like to know if
> anyone can help me.  I am looking for a page on the internet or a
> information booklet that I can learn the basics.
> 
> I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a
> storm coming and stuff???  I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can
> explain or point out a document on that.  How do people read the predictions
> of the weather?
> 
> Please help.
> 
> Anthony Post
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing 
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Hi Everyone,

The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is
looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified.

Matthew Piper

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> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says   area>alt when
trying
> to goto forcasts ??????
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:35:13 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi Carl,

It's a shame it moved so fast!  Hasn't really had a chance to get well
organised, in fact it's lost its upper level anti-cyclone, and it is now
surviving by the STJ running just to its south assisting in the outflow.
Upper divergence is still nice though.  I actually thought this TC might
have headed southwards and then southeast, because of the proximity it
was to the STJ when it first formed, however this was not the case!  A
broad upper high developed over the region, and it seems to riding on a
weak NE'ly jet.  Interestingly, JTWC are forecasting a WSW movement for
the duration of its outlook, and intensification to a high Cat 2.  The
reason why it is interesting, because again (IMO), it looks like it will
curve towards the S and SE due to the STJ...but we'll see what happens! 
I think now (at 8:30am) it will be too late to hit Darwin, although I'm
surprised that Darwin got the strong winds it did!

AC

Carl Smith wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul and All.
> 
> >Howdy all - wind is quite significant here now.
> >
> >Just went for a drive - debris everywhere, power down in several suburbs.
> >
> >Streets very quiet & erie. A lot of people up here are quite spooked which
> >is very surprising as this TC has had little press coverage.
> >
> >Wowsers....that was a decent gust!
> >
> >Ciao all.
> >
> >Paul.
> 
> Yes, but it is uncomfortably close to where Tracy was before it turned and
> belted Darwin, so I'm not that suprised that some are a little spooked.
> 
> Keep us posted on how it is up there.
> 
> BoM server seems to be down or overloaded - have not been able to get in
> there for the last hour, so cannot get the 11pm CST TC Advice.
> 
> Regards,
> Carl.
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:53:20 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Lindsay, you are not alone.
My site takes far too long out of running my business which I also run 
from home.  Sometimes I groan because I know that family photos in my 
site are now three years out of date!
I have bookmarked hundreds of great weather sites in a favourites folder 
called "To be linked" which never get added to my pages.
What I have had to do is to give myself a rule that I shall never spend 
more than half an hour on any given day on any of the non-business parts 
of my site.
As the site doesn't sell anything, but is only a kind of "poster" for my 
business, I often wonder whether it is worth-while spending the time I do 
keeping such things as my price-list page up-to-date.
As typhoons and cyclones are changing constantly, just keeping that part 
up-to-date tends to consume every minute of that half-hour limit so the 
rest doesn't get updated.
If you compare my page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm with 
Carl's page at http://www.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm you will see 
that our TC sections are identical.  When I make a change I e-mail the 
HTML code to Carl and when he makes a change he e-mails the code to me.  
Then it's a simple cut and paste to keep updated.  Thus we both keep our 
similar sections up-to-date without using up quite so many hours of time.
I never added a counter until 24th June 1997, but since then my site has 
received over 94,000 hits, so somebody apart from me must look at it.
Yes I love all things weather, and I love having a weather-related site, 
but I just have to live with the fact that most of it has to stay in a 
fairly static state.
A static page that only changes when you get the time to change it is 
still an okay thing.  My wife and children still have to be fed, 
though....

Phil
<><
International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk 
Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672



-----Original Message-----
From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000
Subject: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:(

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page,
> for
> now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
> should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
> business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities
> at
> home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
> distractions :)
> 
> I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.
> 
> My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on
> their
> pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really
> hadn't
> spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
> visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked
> terrible!
> That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!
> 
> Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it
> all.
> 
> Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk
> out
> there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll
> pay, of
> course.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> 
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: ASWA Victoria meeting
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:57:54 +1000
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Hmmmmmmm............looks like I'll have to start watching "Back to the
Future" again so i can work out how to go ahead in time.....RSVP.....and
then travel back for the meeting :oP

Should get quite a good turnout for this meeting. Should we get a photo
record of it for MSC? Also, book me down for 4 stickers too. And a laptop
battery if you want (This one isn't holding charge as it should......only
get about 10 mins out of it, so I'll have to get another one in either Melb
or Bne).

#1 Son

"Jane wrote:
Members & visitors very welcome.  Please RSVP by Thursday 26th April to
cadence at stormchasers.au.com if you will be attending."



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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Sorry everyone. Will teach me to make sure i address emails properly instead
of just hitting refresh

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" <aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: LOW for SE Australia.
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:32:59 +1000
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It is still a couple of days, off but the "models" are all falling into line
in predicting major cyclogenesis over SE Australia over the weekend. The
lead up to this event makes for "interesting" viewing as a major thickness
trough (tongue of cold air) - the makings of which can currently be seen
south of the bight - "advects" north to lie near the Victorian coast by
Friday night.

Guess the real interest in the lead up is the intensity of the thermal
trough - freezing levels over Bass Strait near 1200m - and the fact that the
thickness trough initially coincides with very high surface pressures (~1028
hPa+), and a strong high near Tasmania. The air associated with this thermal
trough is very cold for this time of year, which could make for some very
low overnight temperatures, particularly over Tassie and highland snow.
Anyway, through the weekend, a "classical" easterly type dip develops as the
baroclinic zone on the north side of the trough amplifies, with rapid
development of a low over Victoria in the ~36 hours to Sunday night. The
low/trough then looks like remaining situated near Victoria for a few days,
before being captured sometime next week (of course this is a long long long
way off in model land).  

Anyway, I guess the things to watch for with this system will be;
possible thunderstorms over NSW on Thurs/Fri ahead of the strong thermal
trough (current forecasted ToTTot values 50-60).
snow and cold temperature over Tassie Thurs/Fri and prob cold night
temperature for parts of Victoria.
Widespread rain developing over Victoria and adjacent areas over the weekend
as the low develops.

Cut-off systems like this one seem to be predicted quite reliably by the
models, but the exact weather experienced is very sensitive to the placement
of the low centre. 

BTW for those further west, the current "near record/record" Indian Summer
may break late on the weekend/early next week with the development of a low
in the eastern Indian Ocean. 

Cheers,

David.


 
                                                              
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing 
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT
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The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm
EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most
attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the
highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me
about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and
consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll
ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be
rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list.

In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working,
and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are
updating -- follow the link on the right of
http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening
at the moment...

Laurier


On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support"
<twc at theweather.com.au> wrote:

>Hi Everyone,
>
>The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is
>looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified.
>
>Matthew Piper
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM
>Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing
>
>
>> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says   area>alt when
>trying
>> to goto forcasts ??????
>>
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From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:(
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:02:54 GMT
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Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and
progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by
how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set
on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-)

I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that
hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you
should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website,
because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the
skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as
book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site
produced by an "expert". 

It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when
you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who
have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are
only to happy to help. So hang in there!

Laurier





On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000, "Lindsay Pearce"
<violin at lisp.com.au> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for
>now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
>should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
>business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at
>home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
>distractions :)
>
>I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.
>
>My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on their
>pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really hadn't
>spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
>visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible!
>That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!
>
>Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it all.
>
>Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out
>there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay, of
>course.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
>Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
>Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:14:18 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing 
From: Mark Hardy <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Things are back to normal now. We are now recovering quickly.

_____________________________________________________
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
Level 2, 7 West Street, North Sydney 2060
http://www.theweather.com.au
_____________________________________________________


> From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing
> 
> The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm
> EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most
> attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the
> highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me
> about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and
> consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll
> ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be
> rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list.
> 
> In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working,
> and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are
> updating -- follow the link on the right of
> http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening
> at the moment...
> 
> Laurier
> 
> 
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support"
> <twc at theweather.com.au> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra is
>> looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified.
>> 
>> Matthew Piper
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
>> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM
>> Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing
>> 
>> 
>>> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says   area>alt when
>> trying
>>> to goto forcasts ??????
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Hey all,

It appears as if the BOM have fixed the problem with their server when i 
tried at about 12:15pm to access their site and shortly thereafter they 
removed their message saying they were experiencing technical difficulties.

Also sydneys forecast for the next week got a lot better... hopefully it 
will stay that way,

Michael olsen


>From: wbc at ozemail.com.au (Laurier Williams)
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 01:45:21 GMT
>
>The problem is with the Bureau's internet connection. From about 11pm
>EST last night they were experiencing an 80%+ packet loss, and most
>attempts to connect will time out. It has been escalated to the
>highest level by Telstra, but the BoM guy who runs this area told me
>about 10 am that the cause of the problem was still unknown, and
>consequently they couldn't put a time on when it will be fixed. He'll
>ring me when they get some idea of when the situation will be
>rectified, and I'll pass it on to the list.
>
>In the meantime, my CMSS Bureau connection still seems to be working,
>and the noteworthy current weather observations and AWS obs are
>updating -- follow the link on the right of
>http://www.australianweathernews.com. Not that there's much happening
>at the moment...
>
>Laurier
>
>
>On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:42:32 +1000, "Met support"
><twc at theweather.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Hi Everyone,
> >
> >The Bureau is experiencing technical difficulties at the moment. Telstra 
>is
> >looking into it but there is no idea when the problem will be rectified.
> >
> >Matthew Piper
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:01 AM
> >Subject: aus-wx: BOM page whats doing
> >
> >
> >> is it me or is the BOM page down i get an error says   area>alt when
> >trying
> >> to goto forcasts ??????
> >>
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: My Site back up
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:57:35 +1000
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Hi all,

Thanks for the words of encouragement. It looked so bad to me down at
Lithgow library that I automatically assumed it was to do with my editing
skill or lack thereof.

It's up again although I've had to do it quickly, so apologies for any
errors. I can be a perfectionist at times, but my main problem yesterday was
ignorance, lack of experience etc.

Anyway, email me privately, if need be about it all. I'm busy with work just
now, so bare with me in taking a while to get back to you. And, yes, I will
contact folk for help when I get the chance.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:(


> Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and
> progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by
> how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set
> on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-)
>
> I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that
> hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you
> should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website,
> because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the
> skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as
> book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site
> produced by an "expert".
>
> It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when
> you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who
> have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are
> only to happy to help. So hang in there!
>
> Laurier
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:22:05 +1000, "Lindsay Pearce"
> <violin at lisp.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page,
for
> >now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
> >should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
> >business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at
> >home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
> >distractions :)
> >
> >I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.
> >
> >My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on
their
> >pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really
hadn't
> >spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
> >visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked
terrible!
> >That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!
> >
> >Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it
all.
> >
> >Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out
> >there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay,
of
> >course.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
> >Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> >Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: The World's Shortest lived Website...:(
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:39:40 +1000
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Yep Lindsay, I agree too - most of us have webpages in the process of being
done / built / improved / redesigned....I think yours fills a gap rather
neatly & I'd like to leave the MSC Cafe page linked to it......Please leave
it there & just learn with the rest of us.....as we continue to learn every
day (and help each other out - I think I owe Ben Quinn McDonalds for a week
considering how much he has helped me)!!

Great effort!! - welcome to the joys of html <g>

Jane
---------------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
---------------------------------------


Lindsay, I agree with Jimmy and Phil -- keep the site going and
progressively add to it when you can. Especially, don't be put off by
how it looks at 640 x 480 -- people who still have their screens set
on this resolution get to see everything on the internet this way! ;-)

I thought the page was great. In particular, it's about a topic that
hasn't been taken up by anybody yet, and for that reason alone you
should persist. It takes a looooong time to develop a mature website,
because (a) generating the material takes time and (b) developing the
skills to produce a website comes as much from experience as
book-learning. This is why you will pay $quillion$ to get a web site
produced by an "expert".

It shouldn't cost you anything to keep it, and you can add to it when
you have the time. And you'll find plenty of people on this list who
have gone through the same learning and development curve and who are
only to happy to help. So hang in there!

Laurier






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Hi all, just noticed on the Lightning tracker some active thunderstorms 
cells out near Portland/Port Fairy way
Had a small rain band come through here earlier with one low soft rumble of 
thunder, it is currently rather mild and sticky, looking forward when the CF 
comes.

Cheers Les

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Hi Anthony and All.

>Hi Carl,
>
>It's a shame it moved so fast!  Hasn't really had a chance to get well
>organised, in fact it's lost its upper level anti-cyclone, and it is now
>surviving by the STJ running just to its south assisting in the outflow.
>Upper divergence is still nice though.  I actually thought this TC might
>have headed southwards and then southeast, because of the proximity it
>was to the STJ when it first formed, however this was not the case!  A
>broad upper high developed over the region, and it seems to riding on a
>weak NE'ly jet.  Interestingly, JTWC are forecasting a WSW movement for
>the duration of its outlook, and intensification to a high Cat 2.  The
>reason why it is interesting, because again (IMO), it looks like it will
>curve towards the S and SE due to the STJ...but we'll see what happens!
>I think now (at 8:30am) it will be too late to hit Darwin, although I'm
>surprised that Darwin got the strong winds it did!

Yes, this one has travelled quite fast, so unless something very strange
happens Darwin is probably quite safe, as at 11am it was N of Kalumburu, WA.

As this TC is quite sheared with a strong pressure gradient being generated
in the S semicircle by the High pressure ridge across the S regions, I am
not suprised that Darwin got a decent period of gales. This kind of
situation can generate gales hundreds of km from the centre that can at
times be stronger than the circulatory winds around the centre.

The BoM method of defining a TC, ie 10-min av winds >34 knots in all 4
quadrants, which was the WMO standard until recently, means that sometimes
a system over ocean can reach near hurricane intensity in one semicircle
whilst still being classified as a tropical depression as the winds in the
other semicircle are <34 knots. As there were several of these systems in
the FMS region over recent years, the WMO standard was changed to >34 knots
10-min av in any quadrant at the WMO Region 5 Tropical Cyclone Committee
meeting in Rarotonga in Sept 2000.

It will be interesting to see if the BoM adopts the new standard over time,
or remains with it's current one which does seem to be OK in the Australian
region, with extra Severe Weather Warnings etc., being issued in those
situations where winds stronger than those in the closed circulation are
being generated.

An example of this was the monsoon depression that became TC Winsome, where
winds around the closed circulation centre NE of Groote Eylandt were still
below 34 knots whilst gales gusting to 120 km/h were being generated on
Mornington Island by a High to the SE and along the NE Arnhem Land coast by
a strong monsoonal flow to the NW, so requiring SWW's to be issued for
these areas. JTWC had already had it classified as a TC for some time at
this stage.

If the BoM adopts the new standard we will see more named TC's and many
will be named earlier.

>AC
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Regards,
Carl.


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Subject: aus-wx: Effects of the long-lived anticyclone
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Some interesting flow-ons in Canberra from the long-lived 
anticyclone:

- lowest min so early in the season last Friday (-2.6)
- highest max so late in the season yesterday (27.0) - possibly 
broken today (27 rounded to 1500).
- 6 consecutive days with a diurnal temperature range exceeding 20 C.
This isn't a record (7 previous instances, the record being 9 days
from 5-13 May 1957), but it is the first time it's happened since
August 1982.

The effects show up quite nicely in the weekly anomaly maps (just
updated), which show widespread positive anomalies for maxima but
negative anomalies for minima over most of the country.

Blair
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<x-flowed>
        Hey list,
      29C here today, forecast 31C tomorrow, feels like the last little 
burst of summer, the sunset tonight is one of the best ive ever seen, layers 
of whispy cirrus and a little cumulus plus possibly a little pollution, 
adding to the bright red to peach to violet shadings through the sky, great 
way to end a long day.  Might not be seeing it for a while after tomorrow 
though (not a bad thing :)... Go the Low,, Rune

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Hi all

The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a
flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in
Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar).  About 30 secs
later the soft rumble of thunder was heard.  Aahhhhhh, it felt so good. 


Cheers

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Me again

Looking at the local Melb radar, there seems to be a developing line of
convection aligned northeast-southwest which is moving to the southeast
across Melbourne.
A BIG stab in the dark here (in more ways then one as I currently
have all lights off in the computer room :), could this be the early signs
of a squall line????  


Cheers

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Robert Goler wrote:
> The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my
eye a
> flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in
> Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar).  About 30
secs
> later the soft rumble of thunder was heard.  Aahhhhhh, it felt so
good.

Thunder was loud enough to hear over traffic & closed doors - a most
brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest - a nice
line of fairly lightning active storms coming up the coast
atm...........who needs sleep!!

also some MSC updates.....
if you want to keep on top of the developing situation in SE Australia
over the next few days, keep an eye on the April forecast Outlook,
Discussion & Report page at http://www.stormchasers.au.com/apr01.htm
There have been 4 additions to it in the last 24 hours.

Chirs Daley has updated his 'Exerpts from a Stormchaser's Journal' at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/journal0628.htm


--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
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Gee. I wouldn't be embarrassed. At least you've had a go :-) What music
business is it? Whoops, not weather related. Unless it's producing songs
like "singing in the rain.....". Outa here.......
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm sorry to say that I 've had to suspend my Blackheath Weather page, for
> now, at least. I've been consumed by it over the last week or so when I
> should have been working on other things, like a website for our music
> business for example! I've been shirking my business responsibilities at
> home because of it all, hey, its hard when you work from home, so many
> distractions :)
>
> I love the weather but it doesn't pay the bills. Sadly.
>
> My apologies to Jimmy, Jane and others who have put my site address on
their
> pages. It was unwise of me to post the website address when I really
hadn't
> spent enough time developing the site or learning enough about html. I
> visited the site via the Lithgow library computers and it looked terrible!
> That'll teach me for using a WYSIWYG editor!
>
> Anyway, I am SORRY. I woke up this morning feeling embarrassed about it
all.
>
> Perhaps when I get more time I'll get some of the good web site folk out
> there to develop a site for me, and one for our business too. We'll pay,
of
> course.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lindsay 'tail between his legs' Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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> The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye a
> flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in
> Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar).  About 30 secs
> later the soft rumble of thunder was heard.  Aahhhhhh, it felt so good.

It hit not far from me in Fairfield... 1.5 seconds away in fact...

Really bright flash (lit up a darkened room) followed by ane hell of a bang...
Weird, but it doesn't "feel" that stormy outside.

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On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Jane ONeill wrote:

> a most
> brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest
> 

And if you were unfortunate enough to miss the sunset in Melbourne, here
it was courtesy of Sandringham yacht club webcam:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_04_18/sunset.gif

Images every 5 mins starting from 16:30.


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> Thunder was loud enough to hear over traffic & closed doors - a most
> brilliant sunset also with backlit Cb's to the west & southwest - a nice
> line of fairly lightning active storms coming up the coast
> atm...........who needs sleep!!

And more lightning, 3-4 seconds from here this time, but fairly loud thunder....

All you guys mention the sites your following activity on, what would be the
best for me? ATM I'm using BOM's rain radar and that's about it...

Time for food, and maybe some lightning watching!

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wohoooo

just had a huge flang here (flash bang). The CG hit about 100m away setting
off alarms in the street. I think it may have hit the CFA tower just down
from my place. Very loud instant thunder and it lit up like a light blub.
Quite scary but the adrenilin is flowing. Some more thunder now, going to
investigate if i can see the strike point.

Hopefully plenty more to come.

I am located on the dot of FTG on Melb local

Nick Sykes


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> > The excitement is building as I've just seen out of the corner of my eye
a
> > flash of lightning to the north, whilst working at my computer here in
> > Clayton (below 'd' in St Kilda in the Melb local radar).  About 30 secs
> > later the soft rumble of thunder was heard.  Aahhhhhh, it felt so good.
>
> It hit not far from me in Fairfield... 1.5 seconds away in fact...
>
> Really bright flash (lit up a darkened room) followed by ane hell of a
bang...
> Weird, but it doesn't "feel" that stormy outside.
>
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I have already told my wife that we will not be retiring in the Illawarra. I
have my eyes on the north coast region around Brunswick Heads.

Michael


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> Hi Michael
> Yes I have to agree I would be heading for the west coast , Hokitika (I
> think that's how you spell it ) with about 2500mm a year and 26 days with
> thunder, lots of hail and snow capped mountains to stare at ,some good
surf
> too.regards Clyve H.
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Loco driver and weather
>
>
> > OK John I have to ask ! if you are retired why do you choose to live in
> > Christchurch. From your posts it does seem like a rather benign weather
> > region. Why not somewhere on the west coast ?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > That's nothing.
> > > I can remember coming down from Arthurs Pass in a heavy NW
thunderstorm
> > > back in Jan 1992 when a blinding bolt of lightning struck the rail and
> > > extended outways just B4 I passed over it with 2 "DC" locos and 13
> loaded
> > > CB coal wagons of 910 tonnes.
> > > The track circuited signalling went out not long after and the next
> > morning
> > > the local ganger reported a 2cmgap in the rail where the lightning had
> > struck.
> > > As I was doing 80km/h over the piece of track at the time with a
bunched
> > > train in dynamic brake (down hill grade) was probably why the train
went
> > > successfully over the gap.
> > > Any slower a flang of a wheel could of dislodged a wagon!
> > > A temporary repair and speed restriction over the affected rail the
next
> > > day meant no holdup for train services including the famous Trans
Alpine
> > > express
> > >
> > > John Gaul
> > > ex-Train/loco driver NZR
> > > now founder of the
> > > NZ Thunderstruck Society - more than being thunderstruck!
> > >
> > >
> > >
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the storm appears to have come from the northwest or west ??? windy now and
lots of rain, also beautiful rolling thunder, just what i needed!!!

hope you all have fun with it it looks fab.

thanks
cath
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Wow. As clear as here at present. And annoying....
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> the storm appears to have come from the northwest or west ??? windy now
and
> lots of rain, also beautiful rolling thunder, just what i needed!!!
>
> hope you all have fun with it it looks fab.
>
> thanks
> cath
> frankston
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From: "fey" <faerinelda at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: CG 100m away sets off alarms
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From Frankston there is alot of electricity but we can see through to
Geelong & Melbourne.

My dad wants to know...'Is this produced because of the electricity or
because of something else. Because it is just so clear across there???'

Thanking you in advance
here's hoping.

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Hi all,
I'm in Brunei at the moment. Thought I'd let you know we had some awsome 
storms last night and now 2.47pm local (4.47pm aest)there are storms 
everywhere, with good lightning shows and VERY heavy showers. Very hot and 
humid, the air feels really 'stormy' and did since early thismorning. Just 
thought I'd let you all know. Off to England tonight.
Dave

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Jimmy,

That's ok. Thank you for that website.  And thank you Anthony for the
website also.  That is one amazing document. I will have to read it all, it
will take some time.

Anyway more about me. I am 20 years old.  Live in The Netherlands.  I was
born in Australia(Brisbane).  I live there most of my life.  I always used
to be interested in weather.  I always watched the lightning.

When I was 15 we moved to USA I experienced a few small tornado's... I did
say small.  They were amazing. So since then that got me interested.

Anyway.  Thanks for your help. If anyone els has things to say, you are
always welcome.

Take care,

Antz

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Ok Anthony,

You broke the peace so now you have to tell us about yourself, age, where
live, etc etc and what got you interested in the weather. Remember, this is
the key thing we are all looking for - not how much a person knows.

Jimmy Deguara

At 07:22 PM 17/04/01 +0200, you wrote:

>Hello everyone,
>
>Sorry to disturb you with this. I know most of you in this mailing list
>already know very much about weather, you either work with it, or study it,
>or just have been interested in it for years.
>
>Well I am a newbie.  I know the basics, (not much).  I would like to know
if
>anyone can help me.  I am looking for a page on the internet or a
>information booklet that I can learn the basics.
>
>I can see all this stuff about pressure, but how do I know when there is a
>storm coming and stuff???  I cant see that. Is there someway somebody can
>explain or point out a document on that.  How do people read the
predictions
>of the weather?
>
>Please help.
>
>Anthony Post
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From: "Adam Troy Cole" <acole at flexi.net.au>
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Always good to have newbies, and don't worry, we are all still learning

As for experiencing small tornadoes, what sort of experience? Upclose and
personal? lol

Anyway, glad to have you along

Adam

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Subject: aus-wx: Dont forget Alistair.
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Hi all tropo's.
TC Alistair looks ok, still about cat 2 and now passing west of Beagle Bay
WA and moving southwest,looks like Broome will start to taste its breath
over the next 6 hours or so, the centre of this TC has always been rather
difficult to pin point although rain wrapping around the apparent centre can
be occasionally seen, it appears the centre has not been fully enclosed for
much of its life,again typical of a TC reflectivity is much underrated in
radar returns,at the moment it looks like it might get a little closer to
the WA coast as it moves south "around the corner" near Broome. regards
Clyve H.

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Subject: aus-wx: TC Watch declared for the Pilbara Coast! :)
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hey all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The Pilbara Coast including Karratha was placed on a TC Watch 
for TC Alistair this morning.......I wonder what he will do this 
time.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Quite hot here today......temp currently sitting on 36.8C with 
E/NE winds.....Seabreeze should be in very soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>IDW24100<BR>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY <BR>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN 
REGIONAL OFFICE</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this 
warning.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>TOP PRIORITY </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 21<BR>Issued at 10:05 am WST on 
Thursday, 19 April 2001<BR>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<BR>TROPICAL CYCLONE 
WARNING CENTRE PERTH</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The CYCLONE WARNING for coastal areas between Kuri Bay and 
Cape Leveque has been<BR>cancelled.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A CYCLONE WATCH has been declared for coastal areas between 
Port Hedland and<BR>Exmouth.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At 9am WST TROPICAL CYCLONE ALISTAIR was estimated to be 130 
kilometres west<BR>northwest of Cape Leveque and 230 kilometres north northwest 
of Broome and<BR>moving west southwest at 20 kilometres per hour.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Gales are no longer being experienced on the west Kimberley 
coast between Kuri<BR>Bay and Cape Leveque and conditions there are expected 
to&nbsp; ease further as the<BR>cyclone centre moves away from the 
area.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Gales are not expected in coastal areas between Port Hedland 
and Exmouth in the<BR>next 24 to 48 hours.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Details of cyclone Alistair at 9am WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; Location of centre : within 60 kilometres 
of<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Latitude 15.9 South Longitude 121.8 East.<BR>&nbsp; Recent 
movement&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : West Southwest at 20 kilometres per hour.<BR>&nbsp; 
Central Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp; : 975 hPa.<BR>&nbsp; Maximum wind gusts : 165 
kilometres per hour near the centre.<BR>&nbsp; Severity category&nbsp; : 
2.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The State Emergency Service advises that the yellow alerts 
between Kuri Bay and<BR>Cape Leveque have been lifted.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The next warning will be issued at 1 pm WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. For 
inquiries about community<BR>alerts contact the State Emergency 
Service.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>A map showing the track of the cyclone can be found 
at:<BR><A 
href="http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone">http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Karratha WA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A 
href="http://www.karrathaweather.org">www.karrathaweather.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A 
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The latest JTWC forecast track is very interesting

http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/sh2001.gif

It's one of those late season re-curves towards the SW area if it does that
track, but it's all a matter of timing, the cyclone could decide to move
south early, like what happened with Vance, or it might not re-curve at all.

Jacob

At 10:51 AM 19/04/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all tropo's.
>TC Alistair looks ok, still about cat 2 and now passing west of Beagle Bay
>WA and moving southwest,looks like Broome will start to taste its breath
>over the next 6 hours or so, the centre of this TC has always been rather
>difficult to pin point although rain wrapping around the apparent centre can
>be occasionally seen, it appears the centre has not been fully enclosed for
>much of its life,again typical of a TC reflectivity is much underrated in
>radar returns,at the moment it looks like it might get a little closer to
>the WA coast as it moves south "around the corner" near Broome. regards
>Clyve H.
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Hope the BoM haven't jinxed us Michael!!!

Some nice congestus and low-topped CBs developing in all directions. However 
with dew points in this region close to zero, I can observe virga falling 
out of the bases, but not a lot appears to be reaching the ground.

It would be nice if this forecast eventuates - I think we've had 1mm in the 
last 5 weeks. Good to see that the latest EC run has the upper low around 
until at least Tuesday.

As you say... bring it on!!!

Patrick


Worth noting and salivating over this dream (11.30 am, 19/4) forecast for 
weather starved Canberra.  Bring it on!

Saturday :  Rain/storms, locally heavy falls            Min:  11     Max:  
19
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Hey All,

What a lovely afternoon.... The Sun has come out, the temp has hit a tad 
under 30c and now at 3:30pm Towers and anvils are screaming up over to the 
South and SW near Goulburn, Bowral.
These are some very nice and clear looking updraughts, with that awesome 
crisp look to them. Even the Anvils look good . The cell near Camden has a 
nice are of Pink on it ! Gees it looks nice !
Hopefully we will be in for a light show tonight or even a storm ourselves 
before the Southerly hits !

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i thought there might have been something developing this morning but now it
looks good i wan t a storm! or a light show :) but hope that it will be a
nice NIGHT :) :)

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ps is there something developing withh the change???? the yellow dots near
ulladulla should be on the change the change just went through ulladulla so
maybe they are going to come with the change?????

PS i have no forcasting skills so this is a question thats all :)

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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Dont forget Alistair.
>
>The latest JTWC forecast track is very interesting
>
>http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/products/jtwc/sh2001.gif
>
>It's one of those late season re-curves towards the SW area if it does that
>track, but it's all a matter of timing, the cyclone could decide to move
>south early, like what happened with Vance, or it might not re-curve at
all.
>
>Jacob

Yea I have been watching this myself, as the models have been quite
persistent in
parallelling this system along the coast, right around NW Cape.
Interestingly, the upper level westerlies are very weak and shifted a long
way south in the Eastern Indian Ocean at present, which means this system
(exactly as currently forecasted) could make it well south before it gets
sheared/ripped eastward. The SSTs (eg
http://www.marine.csiro.au/~lband/web_point/) are also very warm in the
region a present, and would support a TC down to around Shark Bay, if not a
little further south.

I would expect many farmer in SW WA would desperately love to see some
cloud/rainfall from this system  as they are currently in a near
record/record drought (e.g.,
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/drought.shtml).

To top this all off, the models are converging on a major rain/weather event
in SE Australia, which will hopefully wash away all memories of those
dastardly highs.... 

Regards,

David

BTW clocked up only 1.3mm of rain from last nights storms, but counted ~12
thunder claps from some surprisingly small but active cells.


                                                              
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Hmmmm, I've just seen the bases and oh how excited one can get just from 
seeing a nice anvil !!! Second look at the cells is showing some weak bases 
that are extremely high up. Not looking as "nice"as before.
Oh well, here's hoping !


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>Hey All,
>
>What a lovely afternoon.... The Sun has come out, the temp has hit a tad
>under 30c and now at 3:30pm Towers and anvils are screaming up over to the
>South and SW near Goulburn, Bowral.
>These are some very nice and clear looking updraughts, with that awesome
>crisp look to them. Even the Anvils look good . The cell near Camden has a
>nice are of Pink on it ! Gees it looks nice !
>Hopefully we will be in for a light show tonight or even a storm ourselves
>before the Southerly hits !
>
>James H
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Based on what I can see around Canberra, I wouldn't get too hopefull about 
possible storms.

The airmass ahead of the change is very dry - so there is little rainfall. 
Looking at the coastal observations as the change has moved up the coast, 
Merimbula Airport has bagged an impressive 0.2mm. Lucas Heights has received 
0.8mm from cells developing well ahead of the change.

Today is a day where the radar can be very misleading. It is picking up 
virga (basically falling snow) near the base of the clouds, but the dry air 
means most will evaporate well before any precipitation (ie the snow that 
has melted into rain) gets to the surface.

The yellow and red reflectivities are probably showing some cells that are 
producing enough to provide some localised showers which are unlikely to 
produce any significant totals (and maybe a flash of lightning) but I don't 
think the SES would be getting their flood boats out just yet!!

Patrick

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Hello all,

The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the
photogalleries added to/new galleries added.

Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new...

I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on
hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics.

I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now.

Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with
links back to you own galleries/sites).

We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from
schools all around the world.

Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from
weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link.

Any help appreciated. More news soon.

Sel.




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Hello all,

Steve Fossett will make another attempt at an around the world balloon
flight in mid year, starting from Coolgardie in WA and going west to east
over the top and assuming he makes it, landing again in WA. A severe storm
foiled his last attempt, if you can remember. I have been in contact with
folks during the planning phase so as to structure activities for school
students around the journey.

One bit of news that may interest - we have negotiated the attachment of an
automatic weather station to pump real-time data to a web site, so students
can analyse it and learn a great deal about the conditions aloft.

I will let you all know the URL and timing of the launch etc as I hear...

Hope it all goes well - this is a prototype and it will have to be robust!

May be interesting to note upper atmosphere data as it goes over Australia?

Cheers,

Sel.



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Have you got an URL for that, Sel?

Laurier


On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans
<skerans at mail.cth.com.au> wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the
>photogalleries added to/new galleries added.
>
>Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new...
>
>I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on
>hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics.
>
>I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now.
>
>Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with
>links back to you own galleries/sites).
>
>We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from
>schools all around the world.
>
>Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from
>weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link.
>
>Any help appreciated. More news soon.
>
>Sel.
>
>
>
>
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Keith, I didn't realise you meant the GTS (WMO Global
Telecommunications System) data. Unfortunately, IMHO, Australia has a
rather bad record in putting its data out into the international
community. 

Apart from the fact that we are the only country in the world that
hasn't standardised our observation times (which is why you have to go
hunting for the data), we also mix codes in the same bulletin (upper
TEMP data) and also don't seem to follow any rational pattern in
exchanging international exchange supplementary data (the stuff in
between 333 and 555 for each AAXX station obs). That is why you are
having problems with max and min temps.

The following may help:

1. The only Australian data available for the world standard main and
intermediate hours (SM=00,06,12,18, and SI=03,09,15,21) is a minimal
set of AWS data which carries no rainfall or max/min data. However, on
the rare occasions that this report is generated from a manual
observation, the max may be included at 12UTC and the min at 00UTC..
As these are mostly AWS obs, there is no cloud, visibility or weather
information either. This is why you are getting intermittent
information from Sydney Airport.

2. Almost all Australian surface obs are contained in many bulletins
carrying a SNAU (SN=non-standard hour) header. Thus the eastern states
9am obs are found in the SNAU bulletins for 23 UTC, while WA is in the
01UTC bulletin. Unfortunately, the Australian coding practice is to
place rounded whole-degree max and min data in the national (i.e.
internal) exchange section of the observation (the stuff after 555),
so that it doesn't go out over the GTS. It also means that, locally,
we only have max and min data to the nearest whole degree (but see
item 4!) Most of the rest of the world brought their internal codes
into line with international practice decades ago; our coding
practices have altered little in the 40 years I have been looking at
them.

3. Because most of our useful observations are contained in SNAU
bulletins, they are the ones to look for. However, the scripts used by
different data carriers overseas get somewhat confused by them. FSU
and, I think, most of the others, file them away with drifting buoy
data!. I usually use the Nexlab files at College of Dupage, where the
Australian bulletins do get put into the SYNOP files -- use
http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/ for the SYNOPS and
http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/ for the uppers. This source seems
to have fewer outages, though it only has a 48-hour archive. BTW,
Scripps Institute produces useful daily compilations of global ship
observations at http://meteora.ucsd.edu/weather/observations/ships/
and drifting buoys at
http://meteora.ucsd.edu/weather/observations/buoys/.

4. Australian AWS's do report a min temp to 00 UTC and a max temp to
12 UTC, both to one decimal point. Unfortunately, these only get
exchanged nationally.

If you're after max, min and 24-hour rainfalls, the best source is the
SILO data at
ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/www/rainfall/totals/daily/data/history/nat/
for rainfall and
ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/www/temperature/silo/daily/data/history/nat/
for temps. It appears at 04 UTC daily, with a second, more complete
version at 06 UTC. It also appears to be sourced in large part
directly from electronic field books, so that many manual stations'
max and min are to one decimal point. Unfortunately, however, it
appears to rely on the normal SYNOP reports for the major
Bureau-staffed stations, which means that places like Sydney Airport
only get reported to the nearest degree, a source of continuing
frustration to Blair when temps approach record territory ;-)

Hope this helps.

Laurier


On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:08:00 +0100, "Keith Harris"
<keith.r.e.harris at btinternet.com> wrote:

>Thanks for that:-
>
>94768 45/// ///// 10248 20147 30163 40211 57022
>  333 20150=
>
>max = 15°c
>whereas:-
>
>94767 41775 20203 10251 20124 30201 40207 58022 70500 81831=
>
>No max? always unrelieble.
>
>The link I use is:-
>
>http://www.met.fsu.edu/Data/archive/surface/syn/?N=D
>
>What would you suggest for Australian synops?
>
>btw - I have to look through:- 01:00, 02:00, 13:00, 14:00 & 22:00, 23:00 to
>get max - min an rainfall for them. Is there a better url I should use?
>
>Many thanks
>
>Keith (Southend)
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hey,

umm... maybe you just didnt notice but if you look further down the page you 
should find the url there.

Michael Olsen


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>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:00:57 GMT
>
>Have you got an URL for that, Sel?
>
>Laurier
>
>
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans
><skerans at mail.cth.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the
> >photogalleries added to/new galleries added.
> >
> >Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new...
> >
> >I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on
> >hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics.
> >
> >I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now.
> >
> >Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, 
>with
> >links back to you own galleries/sites).
> >
> >We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from
> >schools all around the world.
> >
> >Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from
> >weather experts' pages - follow classroom activities link.
> >
> >Any help appreciated. More news soon.
> >
> >Sel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The 3:30 Sydney forecast--</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Headline :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Southerly change tonight. Showers 
increasing tomorrow. <BR><BR>Saturday :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rain periods, chance 
thunderstorm. SE winds. 
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
City:&nbsp;&nbsp; Min:&nbsp; 16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max:&nbsp; 21 
<BR><BR>Sunday&nbsp;&nbsp; :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rain periods, chance 
thunderstorm. N/NE winds 
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
City:&nbsp;&nbsp; Min:&nbsp; 17&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max:&nbsp; 22 
<BR><BR>Monday&nbsp;&nbsp; :&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Rain periods, chance 
thunderstorm. NW winds. 
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
City:&nbsp;&nbsp; Min:&nbsp; 17&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max:&nbsp; 21 <BR><BR>Trend 
for&nbsp; Tuesday&nbsp;&nbsp; Wednesday and&nbsp; Thursday :<BR>Few 
showers/chance thunderstorm Tuesday, clearing Wednesday.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Again the weather gods have spun their wheel. With both NSW 
state reps defecting south for the weekend, luck would have it that it looks 
like a good weekend&nbsp;weather-wise for Sydney. The first for 
awhile.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>We have&nbsp;had a&nbsp;very warm Autumn&nbsp;thus far. Temps 
have been above average by 4-5 degrees for the last week or so. We have had 
&nbsp;a week of +28 temps out west. About three weeks ago it looked like it 
might have descended into winter but summer has popped its head up once more. 
Maybe this change will officially see the end to our Indian Summer (any ideas 
where that term comes from?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>dann</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>____________________________<BR>Daniel Weatherhead<BR><A 
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From: "Adam Troy Cole" <acole at flexi.net.au>
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:55:28 +1000
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good for next 6 das or so</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>IDF45Q13<BR>DARLING DOWNS AND GRANITE BELT DISTRICT<BR>Fine most of the 
district. Overnight and morning fog patches. Chance of a shower<BR>or 
thunderstorm in the SW Downs late Friday. Light to moderate winds, mostly 
E<BR>to NE.<BR>Outlook for Saturday&nbsp;&nbsp; ... Cloudy. Isolated showers N 
and W, possible<BR>thunderstorm SW parts.<BR>Outlook for 
Sunday&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ... Cloudy and cool with some light rain. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>IDF20Q00<BR>EXTENDED OUTLOOK<BR>A weak ridge along the 
east coast will be maintained until Sunday, generating <BR>SE&nbsp; to E trade 
winds and a few showers along the coast.&nbsp; A front will move into<BR>the 
southwest of the State on Friday and then move into eastern districts 
by<BR>Sunday night. An amplifying upper trough in conjunction with this front 
will<BR>generate a cloud band with some possible rain and local thunder&nbsp; 
over the&nbsp; <BR>southern interior by Saturday which will then move across 
southern and central<BR>parts of the state to reach the coast on Sunday. 
Rainfall will generally be<BR>light however it may become a little more general 
over the SE quarter of the<BR>state. Most of the rain should clear seawards on 
<STRONG><EM>Monday with just isolated<BR>showers and thunderstorms lingering 
about southern border parts</EM></STRONG>.&nbsp; Much cooler<BR>conditions will 
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From: "Max King" <mnk at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Lightning near Sydney
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) 
reporting plenty of CC lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to 
be in the Wollongong area.</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Karratha Weather" <karratha at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: TC Alistair now moving SW towards the Pilbara
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:34:15 +0800
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Hi all..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Looks like the Pilbara Coast will be placed on a TC Warning 
TONIGHT if TC Alistair keeps his present speed and direction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>During tomorrow it could start to weaken as it moves into an 
area of high windshear :/</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>But we'll see!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Some nice Rain will do me fine.......ive had 0.0mm so far this 
month :(<BR><BR>Here is the latest Advice:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY <BR>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL 
OFFICE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Media: The Emergency Warning Signal should be used with this 
warning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>TOP PRIORITY </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 23<BR>Issued at 3:50 pm WST on 
Thursday, 19 April 2001<BR>BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY<BR>TROPICAL CYCLONE 
WARNING CENTRE PERTH</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A CYCLONE WATCH is current for coastal areas between Port 
Hedland and Exmouth.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>At 3 pm WST TROPICAL CYCLONE ALISTAIR was estimated to be 455 
kilometres<BR>northnortheast of Port Hedland and 200 kilometres northwest of 
Broome and moving<BR>southwest at 25 kilometres per hour.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Gales are not expected in coastal areas between Port Hedland 
and Exmouth in the<BR>next 24 hours.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Details of tropical cyclone Alistair at 3pm WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp; Location of centre : within 50 kilometres 
of<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Latitude 16.8 South Longitude 120.8 East.<BR>&nbsp; Recent 
movement&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; : Southwest at 25 kilometres per hour.<BR>&nbsp; 
Central Pressure&nbsp;&nbsp; : 975 hPa.<BR>&nbsp; Maximum wind gusts : 165 
kilometres per hour near the centre.<BR>&nbsp; Severity category&nbsp; : 
2.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The State Emergency Service advises that there are no 
community alerts current. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The next advice will be issued at 7 pm WST.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This advice is available by dialling 1300 659 210. For 
inquiries about community<BR>alerts contact the State Emergency 
Service.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>A map showing the track of the cyclone can be found 
at:<BR><A 
href="http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone">http://www.bom.gov.au/weather/wa/cyclone</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>JJ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Karratha WA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A 
href="http://www.karrathaweather.org">www.karrathaweather.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><A 
href="mailto:cyclone at karrathaweather.org">cyclone at karrathaweather.org</A></FONT></DIV>
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hey all!

Anyone hu is out in western sydney if they were to cast their eyes out to 
the west over the mountains there is quite a niec little storm with flashes 
bout once every 20 or 30 seconds.... oh im so hyped! storm adrenaline! ah 
seeing lightning feels soo god!

Must be off,

Michael



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>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000
>
>Hi group,
>
>Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC 
>lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the 
>Wollongong area.
>
>Max

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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: Out of the loop
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Hey all,

Just a quick email to let you all know I will be out of the loop for the
next week and a half as I will be hollidaying in Brisbane. I will be able to
check my email occasionally, but will be away from the computer for almost
all the time.

If anyone needs me desperately, I can be contacted on my mobile on 0418 369
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Talk to you all when I get back.

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Hey,

still lightning going on over the mountains but my main focus has moved to 
the cell to the west of camden. much closer and much more interesting....

Michael Olsen


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>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000
>
>Hi group,
>
>Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC 
>lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the 
>Wollongong area.
>
>Max

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Hey,

still lightning going on over the mountains but my main focus has moved to 
the cell to the west of camden. much closer and much more interesting.... 
showing a bit of pink on da radar

Michael Olsen


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>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:57 +1000
>
>Hi group,
>
>Just received a call from Mal Ninnes (6.05pm) reporting plenty of CC 
>lightning in the cloud tops. He says that it appears to be in the 
>Wollongong area.
>
>Max

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From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Light show :) 
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hehe i love this nice show of lightning very very nice yellow lightning im
enjoying it get out and have a look to the west guys you will enjoy it :)

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images...
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What do you want, I have pics of just about every cloud type ?

Michael


> Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive,
with
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Hey all

This system is looking very interesting, and if a few things come together
we could be looking at very heavy rains, if not flood rains in parts of SE
Australia (though the dryness of late may prevent this)

Looking at the latest sat pic you can see the cloud associated with the
strong thermal trough to the SW of Victoria.

All the models have some form of low pressure system forming in the SE, and
most of them have it producing very heavy rainfall. The position of the low
is very important to where and how much rain we will see. The BOM are
favouring a position in Eastern Victoria/Bass Strait. This will see the
heaviets rains dragged into gippsland. Further east and SE NSW will see
heavy rain.

The models have this system been very slow moving with it still effecting
Vic on Tuesday.

Certainly a system to watch.

Also interesting is the longer term. The models are hinting at potentially a
strong cold outbreak towards the end of next week. The synoptic situation
should be favourable with the low weakening the high pressure ridge over
Australia and a strong high to the SE of NZ and to the west of WA. Any
fronts should have no problems moving north.

Nick Sykes


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> It is still a couple of days, off but the "models" are all falling into
line
> in predicting major cyclogenesis over SE Australia over the weekend. The
> lead up to this event makes for "interesting" viewing as a major thickness
> trough (tongue of cold air) - the makings of which can currently be seen
> south of the bight - "advects" north to lie near the Victorian coast by
> Friday night.
>
> Guess the real interest in the lead up is the intensity of the thermal
> trough - freezing levels over Bass Strait near 1200m - and the fact that
the
> thickness trough initially coincides with very high surface pressures
(~1028
> hPa+), and a strong high near Tasmania. The air associated with this
thermal
> trough is very cold for this time of year, which could make for some very
> low overnight temperatures, particularly over Tassie and highland snow.
> Anyway, through the weekend, a "classical" easterly type dip develops as
the
> baroclinic zone on the north side of the trough amplifies, with rapid
> development of a low over Victoria in the ~36 hours to Sunday night. The
> low/trough then looks like remaining situated near Victoria for a few
days,
> before being captured sometime next week (of course this is a long long
long
> way off in model land).
>
> Anyway, I guess the things to watch for with this system will be;
> possible thunderstorms over NSW on Thurs/Fri ahead of the strong thermal
> trough (current forecasted ToTTot values 50-60).
> snow and cold temperature over Tassie Thurs/Fri and prob cold night
> temperature for parts of Victoria.
> Widespread rain developing over Victoria and adjacent areas over the
weekend
> as the low develops.
>
> Cut-off systems like this one seem to be predicted quite reliably by the
> models, but the exact weather experienced is very sensitive to the
placement
> of the low centre.
>
> BTW for those further west, the current "near record/record" Indian Summer
> may break late on the weekend/early next week with the development of a
low
> in the eastern Indian Ocean.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David.



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Hello dann!

19 Apr 01 17:26, you wrote to aussieweather:

 dw> Again the weather gods have spun their wheel. With both NSW state reps
 dw> = defecting south for the weekend, luck would have it that it looks
 dw> like a = good weekend weather-wise for Sydney. The first for awhile.

And I'm going to be in Sydney to see it! :)  Up there for work reasons for
several days from Friday. :)

Tony, VK3JED

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Laurie,

Many thanks for such a detailed e-mail, I will now spend some time looking
through them.

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Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I
think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually
means its too cold or about to become very cold up their.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "dann weatherhead" <weatherhead at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Blue Mountains rain
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:10:47 +1000
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<DIV>A nice little storm has just swept thru here in Blaxland, bringing 15mm in 
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:07:04 +1000
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: New pages and extra images...
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Hello,

The URL: (sorry for omitting it - was in signature tho' ...)

http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa

For photo galleries: http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa/photogallery.htm


At 07:00 19/04/01 GMT, you wrote:
>Have you got an URL for that, Sel?
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>Laurier
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>On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:33:57 +1000, Sel Kerans
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>>Hello all,
>>
>>The Project Atmosphere Australia Online site has been remodelled and the
>>photogalleries added to/new galleries added.
>>
>>Great altocumulus gallery and sunset gallery are the new...
>>
>>I am working on completing a severe weather gallery with the focus on
>>hurricane/cyclone/flood/twister/waterspsout pics.
>>
>>I have 4 pics of hurricane Floyd cloud shield there just now.
>>
>>Can anyone contribute? (and of course self-promotion is the incentive, with
>>links back to you own galleries/sites).
>>
>>We are getting 10,000 plus hits a month now on this weather site from
>>schools all around the world.
>>
>>Some of the new 'fun stuff' - 'weather word puzzles' and 'answers from
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>>
>>Any help appreciated. More news soon.
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>>Sel.
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:30:29 +0100 (BST)
From: Mario Paul <stormtwist at yahoo.com>
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The planned aswa bushwalk has been cancelled for 2
reasons: Firstly lack of interest !
secondly : heavy rain is expected and flash flooding
in the creeks can be dangerous ( as well as possible
lightning strikes) Oh well maybe next time. Sorry to
inconvenience anyone who had planned to go but I had
no confirmations from anyone apart from jimmy deguara
and matt piper.

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Bussie,

Funny you should mention that - I had the currawongs down my way for the
first time a month ago - the earliest I can ever remember them......in
Canberra, that used to be 'a sign' pointing to a long cold winter - it'll be
interesting to see whether it's the dry conditions or the impending cold
weather that's sending them dpwn this early.  Now, if I hear the gang-gangs
before June.......

Jane
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Another of nature's "signs" showed up this morning. The "Jays", currawongs I
think their real name is, have come down out of the hills which usually
means its too cold or about to become very cold up their.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)


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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Everyone - 

What's a currawong - a bird???

Les
Les Crossan & Christine Challen,
UK Storm Chasers,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 54-59.5N 01-30W
www.uksevereweather.org.uk

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From: "Adam Mayo" <oyam at bigpond.com>
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:28:44 +1000
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Hi Mario, Jimmy, Matt,

If there is no bush walk are any of you going 'storm' chasing in the
mountains?  Please let us know if anyone is going up there anyway.

Judy Mayo.


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> The planned aswa bushwalk has been cancelled for 2
> reasons: Firstly lack of interest !
> secondly : heavy rain is expected and flash flooding
> in the creeks can be dangerous ( as well as possible
> lightning strikes) Oh well maybe next time. Sorry to
> inconvenience anyone who had planned to go but I had
> no confirmations from anyone apart from jimmy deguara
> and matt piper.
>
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