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Subject: [aussie-weather] PICS: Jan25 Vic, Jan26 NSW Chases
Those with too much time on their hands may want to look at some
(ordinary?) pics I took on a couple of chases last week. On Jan 25 I was
around Bendigo, while on Jan 26 I was around the Riverina Hwy in NSW
(Don't ask why!).
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Jan/chase2_3pics.html
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Adelaide 25/1 Springton pic up...
Phil wrote:
> Here's a goodie though. Barber pole updraft NE of Gumeracha advancing
> ahead of the multicell front. Looks a bit like some of the LP supercell
> shots i've seen from the states. Any comments?
Yes, like the LP, the storm is very small and the base does look like it
has good rotation. Some differences are a rain shaft to the rear in your
pic, if indeed that is the storm rear. Is it? Which way, relative to the
pic, is the storm moving? In the LPs what little precip there is, falls
from the anvil ahead of the updraft location. Most often the rain is light
but the hail can be large. Also, the vertical sides and front of the CB
are striated and look like a helix or the "barber pole" as you mentioned.
BTW, that is one thing we have a general lack of, views from the rear of
the storm where the RFD is located with most supercells. LPs most often
have little or no apparent downdraft.
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] super cell definitions.
Clyve Herbert. wrote:
> There is often a rather vague line when observing an overshooting severe
> multicell complex and a supercell and then making a comparison, a single
> photo of an overshooting multi cell often looks like a supercell,however
This is an excellent observation. Most supercells begin as organized
multicell cluster storms, often with a flanking line. If the environmental
shear is sufficent, they will then with time undergo a transformation into
a supercell. (Sufficent shear is usually seen as greater than about 15 m/s
in the lowest 6 km. This shear can be created by either directional or
speed shear or a combination therof. This is true, even if the flow is
unidirectional with height. But flow that is unidirectional is conducive
to splitting storms with right and left movers being almost mirror image
supercells.)
> from personal study I have found a rather odd structure to true
supercells
> and that's the very short and strong pulse rate within the supercell
often
> appearing as a continuos updraft but careful analysis seems to show
distinct
> rapid pulses.
Again, a good observation. Our perception of storms is based on what we
use to observe them. The human eye can often discern much more than the
radar. (This is why I blieve adequate training can not afford to emphasize
only a single observation tool. The visual appearence must be emphasized
as well and the relationship among the various sensor viewpoints.) Not
uncommonly the supercell does have multicell traits. They may appear more
single cellular in a low level radar scan but the multiple reflectivity
cores and multiple echo tops can be detected aloft with the radar. When
the time between flanking cell mergers with the updraft is short and radar
volume scans are several minutes apart then on radar, often only an
apparent single cell is descerned. But, ocasionally even with the eye
there will be no flaking line seen yet the unsteadyness of the updraft can
be detected only at storm summit with the "updraft pulses". Here you seem
to emphasisze "rapid pulses". These pulses are often several minutes or
even 10 + minutes apart but occasionally they may be only 1 to 3 minutes
apart.
> I watched a very interesting video taken by a fellow storm
> chaser from Brisbane of a night storm southeast of that city,this storm
was
> regarded as a supercell ,the lightning was almost strobe like and
> illuminating the overshoot almost continuously, the top of the overshoot
> showed a very close ribbing affect which may have indicated the very
short
> pulse rate of the updraft,also of interest was the rather uniform spacing
of
> the ribbing separating each pulse.
I believe the unsteady nature or "updarft udulation" if you will, may
create gravity waves within the storm summit outflow. At other times these
may actually be cycles of updraft strengthening and weakening. When that
is occuring, the severe weather at the suface may often then be more
eposodic in nature and hail size will fluctuate accordingly. (BTW, a point
I failed to make otherwise was that if hail greater than "golf ball" (~ 4.4
cm) in diameter is observed, with a particular storm, then that storm is
almost certainly supercellular. It seems that the organization that
accompanies the supercellular structure is essential to hail growth greater
than golf ball, e.g., 5 cm or larger.)
Les
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Ex-TC Terri is now a low in the Gibson Desert.
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just on a side note - is it necessary to have [aussie-weather] in every
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Nothing ordinary about those pics Robert - they're great!!! Please keep up
the chases & photos!!
Jane
Robert Goler wrote:
> Those with too much time on their hands may want to look at some
> (ordinary?) pics I took on a couple of chases last week. On Jan 25 I was
> around Bendigo, while on Jan 26 I was around the Riverina Hwy in NSW
> (Don't ask why!).
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Jan/chase2_3pics.html
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Just thought id let people know i have had over 200mm here at my house
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The NSW BoM has distinguished itself by putting up an hourly AWS page,
complete with a 48 hour archive -- just click on the name of the
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Sydney rain: now North Coast
95mm to 9am at McLeans Ridges (near Lismore), not all that high a figure,
but Ballina 116, Coffs Harbour 169mm. Many North Coast centres would have
had 100-150mm so far since the rain started yesterday morning. Flood
warnings are starting to appear.
It has been really pouring the past 15-20 minutes here, radar is not
picking it up, though it did show around 7am a upper wind flow change from
NNW to NNE - quite a critical change which should see some very big totals
now. Surface winds are fresh from the E.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] recent rainfall
High i have not posted to the list before, but have been following it
for a few years now.
I live at an area called Buckendoon which is about 20k south of
Lismore on the flood plain, half way between Woodburn and Coraki.
To get back to the weather, currently heavy rain, wind east about
15knts. Rainfall since 0800 on 31/1 96mm to o830 1/2.
Was at the Casino storm, working with SES, covering roofs etc.we were
called out 2100hrs on the Wednesday night, first job was to cover a
tile roof partly damaged by two gum trees broken off approx 6 and 8
feet up (wind now gusting to 25Knts as I type make that 30knt).Then
to the large two story block of flats totally de-roofedwe decided it
was two unsafe to attempt any repairs at 1200hrs, particulaly as
there was still heavy rain and no power so lighting the job was
difficult, we were stood down at 0200 to return at 0800 the next day.
The next two days had more of the same patching multiple broken
windows,tile roofs, removing dangerous fallen trees etc.Saw one tree
near the main street, a mature silky oak with a trunk diameter of
about 1 metre broken off about 2metres off the ground, with the body
of the tree abit 50 metres away on an adjacent empty block.
It all looked like straight line damage to me, as there was multiple
roof damage, some totally de roofed but adjacent trees only minus a
few small limbs,if any.
I also have a couple of photos of the hail from the storm that went
through Parramatta last Nov. If any one is interested,They show a
build up of hail on houses and yards, and the associated fog rising
in the cold air as it melted while we were driving on the ?hume
highway leaving Parramatta for Campbeltown.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Re: New hourly AWS reports (and archive!!!) from NSW... & SA
I also found this done for the SA obs at:
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDO30S02.shtml
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 wbc at ozemail.com.au wrote:
> The NSW BoM has distinguished itself by putting up an hourly AWS page,
> complete with a 48 hour archive -- just click on the name of the
> station you want. It's at
> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDN65091.shtml. Thanks to Don White for
> unearthing this information.
>
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Hi All
It is still raining steadily here, temp 24.0. The Creek is in minor flood.
Rainfall to 9am is 116.5
Tallai is a rural suburb in the Gold Coast hinterland.
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Hi all,
After 95mm to 9am we have had a further 80mm !!! in the 3 hours since.
Other totals to noon include Ballina 50mm, Casino 38mm, Evans Head 35mm.
Winds are strong to gale force from the ESE.
Expect to see major flooding if this keeps up.
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hi Robert,
these photos are perfectly fine IMO. :)
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>Subject: [aussie-weather] PICS: Jan25 Vic, Jan26 NSW Chases
>Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:37:33 +1100 (EDT)
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>
>Those with too much time on their hands may want to look at some
>(ordinary?) pics I took on a couple of chases last week. On Jan 25 I was
>around Bendigo, while on Jan 26 I was around the Riverina Hwy in NSW
>(Don't ask why!).
>
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Pictures/2001/Jan/chase2_3pics.html
>
>
>Cheers
>
>--
>
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Hi Michael.
I like your description "not all that high a figure" an example of not all
that high a figure is a storm over Geelong during the first week of Jan
2001 that banged and crashed all night and then gave a 24hr total of
1.3mm!,please send us some of your puny rain totals!!!!!! regards Clyve H.
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> 95mm to 9am at McLeans Ridges (near Lismore), not all that high a figure,
> but Ballina 116, Coffs Harbour 169mm. Many North Coast centres would have
> had 100-150mm so far since the rain started yesterday morning. Flood
> warnings are starting to appear.
>
> It has been really pouring the past 15-20 minutes here, radar is not
> picking it up, though it did show around 7am a upper wind flow change from
> NNW to NNE - quite a critical change which should see some very big totals
> now. Surface winds are fresh from the E.
>
> Michael
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> At 07:15 01/02/2001 +1100, you wrote:
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> >Just thought id let people know i have had over 200mm here at my house
> >in 48 hours in Sydney.
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Hi Keith.
Nice to here from you keep sending your weather messages.regards Clyve H.
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> High i have not posted to the list before, but have been following it
> for a few years now.
>
> I live at an area called Buckendoon which is about 20k south of
> Lismore on the flood plain, half way between Woodburn and Coraki.
>
> To get back to the weather, currently heavy rain, wind east about
> 15knts. Rainfall since 0800 on 31/1 96mm to o830 1/2.
>
> Was at the Casino storm, working with SES, covering roofs etc.we were
> called out 2100hrs on the Wednesday night, first job was to cover a
> tile roof partly damaged by two gum trees broken off approx 6 and 8
> feet up (wind now gusting to 25Knts as I type make that 30knt).Then
> to the large two story block of flats totally de-roofedwe decided it
> was two unsafe to attempt any repairs at 1200hrs, particulaly as
> there was still heavy rain and no power so lighting the job was
> difficult, we were stood down at 0200 to return at 0800 the next day.
>
> The next two days had more of the same patching multiple broken
> windows,tile roofs, removing dangerous fallen trees etc.Saw one tree
> near the main street, a mature silky oak with a trunk diameter of
> about 1 metre broken off about 2metres off the ground, with the body
> of the tree abit 50 metres away on an adjacent empty block.
>
> It all looked like straight line damage to me, as there was multiple
> roof damage, some totally de roofed but adjacent trees only minus a
> few small limbs,if any.
>
> I also have a couple of photos of the hail from the storm that went
> through Parramatta last Nov. If any one is interested,They show a
> build up of hail on houses and yards, and the associated fog rising
> in the cold air as it melted while we were driving on the ?hume
> highway leaving Parramatta for Campbeltown.
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> Keith Dorrell
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Tropical stuff.
Hi all tropos.
An interesting splotch west of Cairns this morning almost has the
characteristics of a tropical MCS it will be interesting to see what happens
if this system gets out over the Coral sea as it is showing weak
organization,also former TC Terri now well inland in WA was showing a weak
centre at 1000hrs a feature it has,nt shown as a TC regards Clyve Herbert.
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting articles...
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Hi every1,
Found some interesting articles while browsing the NASA site...
For those interested in the ongoing global 'warming' debate, this might
provide food for thought:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast18jan_1.htm?list81975
...and for those interested in VLF/lightning emissions this article is a
good read:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast19jan_1.htm?list81975
Cheers,
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Strahan Weather
Hello Everyone
Just been listening to local Bom on the radio. Tasmania had a average
increase in temp of 1C for January with drier than normal from NW coast
west around to SE coast.
In Strahan we have had a very pleasant summer ( not good for severe
weather watchers but great place to live if you are a weather watcher!)
our last major weather event was around Christmas day. Rainfall has
been enough to keep the lawn green but I know Zeehan just north of us is
well below normal.
Temperatures inland have been warmer than normal and this has produced a
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I know this is terribly boring but I am going to miss this summer when
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Question emailed to me...
Hi every1,
The following email was sent to me today and I've had a go at answering the
question but need some confirmation of the worth or otherwise of my
ramblings...Hope y'all can assist...
>From: "Catherine McHugh"
>To:
>Subject: Question
>Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 09:51:27 +0930
>
>Had a look at your website, but still couldn't satisfy my curiosity, hence
>this email.
>
>QUESTION: I was talking with some friends during a recent thunderstorm up
>here (Darwin, NT) and we wondered if you get lightning at the Poles? As in,
>the Arctic Circle and Antarctica. We thought that surely photos of
>lightning strikes would be quite spectacular and that if it (lightning) did
>strike in such cold conditions we would have seen something or heard about
>it somewhere to indicate as such.
>
>Please advise.
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>Thanks, Catherine McHugh
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Hi Catherine,
While certainly no expert on thunderstorm formation it seems unlikely that
it would be even rarely occurring at the poles. The formation of charge in
thunderstorms relies on water existing in at least two visible forms, liquid
and solid (actually I suppose graupel could be called semi-solid...) Charge
separation from collisions within the storm cloud results in the static
build-up that eventually is released as a lightning bolt.
Problems at the poles: Convection is hard to initiate as the surface tends
to be considerably colder than the air above it resulting in very strong
inversions (i.e. it's hard to get the air to rise); and the air temperature
at heights at which clouds would form are usually below zero which prevents
liquid droplets from condensing.
These are purely my thoughts - I'll pass the query on to the aussie-weather
list for some more knowledgeable opinions...
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Kevin from Wycheproof.
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:11:10 -0500
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> >From: "Catherine McHugh"
> >QUESTION: I was talking with some friends during a recent thunderstorm
up
> >here (Darwin, NT) and we wondered if you get lightning at the Poles? As
in,
> >the Arctic Circle and Antarctica. We thought that surely photos of
> >lightning strikes would be quite spectacular and that if it (lightning)
did
> >strike in such cold conditions we would have seen something or heard
about
> >it somewhere to indicate as such.
I am not an authority on this question but I will attempt to apply what I
do know to answer the question. But I could be wrong.
For lightning to occur we must have an unstable (to slant wise or vertical
motion) stratification, sufficiently strong drafts to separate charges, ~
45 dBZ, and mixed phase of supercooled liquid water, snow, and ice/grapul.
Rarely if ever would the atmosphere be sufficiently unstable, therefor
drafts would be too weak, nor would sufficiently high reflectivities be
present. On the question of mixed phase, I am not certain I would
eliminate that condition. It is conceivable that one condition could be
met.
Les
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Subject: [aussie-weather] heavy rain continues
Hi all,
We've now had a huge 130mm from 9am to 3pm today, falling at about 25mm/hr
from 9 - 12 then 20mm/hr since. Winds are gusting to about 80 km/h at
McLeans Ridges from the East, no doubt stronger on the coast.
The valley below is getting flooded with the streams just about to spread
into paddocks by the looks. Other high falls 9-3pm:
BALLINA AP AWS 1500 E /052 21 1007.2 90
CASINO 1500 SE /059 20 97 RAIN 600m
CASINO AP AWS 1500 E /035 20 1006.7 104
EVANS HD AWS 1500 E /052 21 1007.8 63
GRAFTON 1500 E /009 20 41 RAIN
YAMBA 1500 ESE/056 21 1008.0 R 27 RAIN 5000m 3 <2
COFFS HARBOUR 1500 E /017 21 1011.6 R 32 RAIN 8km
DORRIGO 1500 SE /007 16 56 RAIN 2000m
Flood warnings have started to appear for Northern Rivers district streams:
Wilsons/Richmond, Tweed and Clarence which is no surprise!
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Hi Michael, everyone
I just had 52mm in an hour and a half from an thundery rainband. Static on
AM as it approached was about 1 crackle every 4 seconds, but i only saw a
few flashes and no visible stokes. There was quite a lot of local flooding
around Redcliffe and surrounding areas during the rain, although mainly from
street gutters overlfowing - none of the creeks i saw were quite ready to
flood (yet!)
There is some very nice booming and rolling thunder now as the band clears
out to sea
In the 20 hours from 6pm yesterday to 2pm today i've had 99mm, with 25mm
falling from 6pm to midnight, 22mm from midnight to 12:30pm and then the
52mm i just got to 2pm
BRING IT
ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> Hi all,
>
> After 95mm to 9am we have had a further 80mm !!! in the 3 hours since.
> Other totals to noon include Ballina 50mm, Casino 38mm, Evans Head 35mm.
>
> Winds are strong to gale force from the ESE.
>
> Expect to see major flooding if this keeps up.
>
> regards, Michael
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Hi All.
Heavy rain continued overnight here on the Gold Coast, becoming very heavy
around dawn (sufficiently so to wake me up because of the noise on the
roof), and has eased a little today to periodic heavy rain interspersed
with drizzle. The winds have picked up (probably SE but a bit hard to tell
here because of a low ridge immediately S to E of the house), and there are
thunderstorms in the region judging by the static on the AM radio.
Heard the BoM on the radio a while ago - they expect it to continue until
tomorrow and there was 141mm at Coolangatta overnight, and I would say we
close to that here out the back of Burleigh Heads.
A Severe Weather Warning has been issued by the BoM for SE Qld (pasted below).
Regards,
Carl.
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>
>TOP PRIORITY
>SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
>Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
>At 1340 EST on Thursday the 1st of February 2001
>
>For the southeast coast district.
>
>
>
>Heavy rain currently being experienced through the southeast coast district is
>producing localised flooding on some roads and creek crossings. Periods of
>heavy rain are expected through the rest of today and overnight and further
>flooding is likley. People should exercise extreme caution.
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>For further advice contact local police or SES.
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>The next warning will be issued at 4pm Thursday.
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Heavy Rain & Strong Winds in SEQ
Hi all,
A line of severe TS went through Brisbane earlier with torrential rain,
flooding and strong winds. I was around Sunnybank at the time...some
roads were partially under water due to blocked drains and I frequently
had to shift into 2nd gear for extended periods of time to go through
some roads there was just that much water on them! I think a lot of
drains were blocked (they often are if we don't get widespread heavy
rain for a while), and that worsened the situation. There were strong
winds, saw one small tree down and a few branches down about the place.
I phoned the BoM with the report at about 1:25pm - and they issued a
severe weather warning (attached below).
Our kitchen got flooded - water came pouring through the skylight - gust
of 76km/h at my place. 29.8mm to 9am here, 9am to 3pm rainfall was
66mm.
TOP PRIORITY
SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
At 1340 EST on Thursday the 1st of February 2001
For the southeast coast district.
Heavy rain currently being experienced through the southeast coast
district is
producing localised flooding on some roads and creek crossings. Periods
of
heavy rain are expected through the rest of today and overnight and
further
flooding is likley. People should exercise extreme caution.
For further advice contact local police or SES.
The next warning will be issued at 4pm Thursday.
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Rainfall continues here at Buckendoon 0830 - 11.40 56mm Wind
continues E-NE gusting 20-25 knots.
Looks like another couple of inches in the guage but I havent emptied
it yet.
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Hi All
Currently the creek is in moderate -major flood. I have taken some photos.
Rainfall 9am-3pm 64mm. Most of this falling within the last 2hrs. I hope there
is more rain before it gets dark - I wish that March fall in 1999 was during the
day
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Hi all,
Just a little note as I do in special events like these, we have had 45.6mm
up to 7:30am yesterday and another 95mm this morning. This is not bad for
Schofields. But it is interesting to note that after the 45.6mm, the sort
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Re: SE QLD Rain
I travelled from Caloundra at 1.30pm to Cleveland (on the coast due east of
Brisbane) arriving at 3.30pm. When leaving Caloundra it was raining very
heavily with lightning and thunder. However a short distance out of
Caloundra the skies brightened up to show blue skies to the west. It wasn't
until I reached the Gateway Bridge did it start raining again (around 3pm)
and it is obvious that it had been raining heavily. Still raining in
Cleveland now (49 mm from 9am to 3.30pm).
I was particularly interested in the radar picture which tells the story - A
very broad arc of rain extending from the Sunshine Coast, out to Moreton Bay
and then back onto the coast in the Wynnum area.
Its tempting to think that the rain is about to move off the coast and small
low pressure will form east of Moreton Island, but the forecasts would seem
to disagree as the upper system is moving north - north west ?
What do you think ?
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Simon
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> Hi all,
>
> A line of severe TS went through Brisbane earlier with torrential rain,
> flooding and strong winds. I was around Sunnybank at the time...some
> roads were partially under water due to blocked drains and I frequently
> had to shift into 2nd gear for extended periods of time to go through
> some roads there was just that much water on them! I think a lot of
> drains were blocked (they often are if we don't get widespread heavy
> rain for a while), and that worsened the situation. There were strong
> winds, saw one small tree down and a few branches down about the place.
>
> I phoned the BoM with the report at about 1:25pm - and they issued a
> severe weather warning (attached below).
>
> Our kitchen got flooded - water came pouring through the skylight - gust
> of 76km/h at my place. 29.8mm to 9am here, 9am to 3pm rainfall was
> 66mm.
>
> TOP PRIORITY
> SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
> Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
> At 1340 EST on Thursday the 1st of February 2001
>
> For the southeast coast district.
>
> Heavy rain currently being experienced through the southeast coast
> district is
> producing localised flooding on some roads and creek crossings. Periods
> of
> heavy rain are expected through the rest of today and overnight and
> further
> flooding is likley. People should exercise extreme caution.
>
> For further advice contact local police or SES.
>
> The next warning will be issued at 4pm Thursday.
>
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Today in my year 11 Physics class the question of "Why the sky is blue" came up. It has been set as someting to find out about, using any method that we choose.
I was wondering whether or not anyone out there knows anything about this. I think the sky being a blue colour has got something to do with the light from the sun being slow down to appear as a blue colour.
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Hi Luke,
I actually saw a video about space exploration the
other day who's title escapes me at the moment, but in it, they explained why
things are different colours.
Basically, from what I gathered from the video, the
sky is blue for a number of reasons. The chemical make up of the
atmosphere, the varying density of the atmosphere (ever noticed how some days
the sky seems more blue, possibly because of high and low pressure systems, I
don't know).
Just like the grass is green because it absorbs all
the colours of the light spectrum except for green, the atmosphere absorbs all
wavelengths of light except blue.
If anyone else can make better sense of it than
that, please do, it's been 11 years since I did physics, the cobwebs are a bit
thicker now.
Hope this helps a little Luke.
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Hi All
Today in my year 11 Physics class the question of "Why the sky is blue"
came up. It has been set as someting to find out about, using any method that
we choose.
I was wondering whether or not anyone out there knows anything about this.
I think the sky being a blue colour has got something to do with the light
from the sun being slow down to appear as a blue colour.
Anyway any help with the Question "Why is the sky blue?" would be very
helpful.
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Hi Luke,
yes you are correct about the refraction of light. I just had a look
for a book that Ihad the information in, but unfortunately it is still packed
away. I searched the NASA web site and came up with the following url for
you to have alook at.
This explains both the colour of the sky during the day and at
sunset. The same principle applies to both. It is simple colour
theory.
Hope this helps.
Carolyn
Hi All
Today in my year 11 Physics class the question of "Why the sky is blue"
came up. It has been set as someting to find out about, using any method that
we choose.
I was wondering whether or not anyone out there knows anything about this.
I think the sky being a blue colour has got something to do with the light
from the sun being slow down to appear as a blue colour.
Anyway any help with the Question "Why is the sky blue?" would be very
helpful.
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] very heavy rain NE NSW
Further to Michaels email,
Here at Wauchope (near Port Macquarie), we have had continuous heavy
rainfall for over 48 hours now. We are now starting to see the rivers rise
quite fast, and creeks going into flood.
Will update if anything dramatic happens.
Michael Flood
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>Hi all,
>
>After 95mm to 9am we have had a further 80mm !!! in the 3 hours since.
>Other totals to noon include Ballina 50mm, Casino 38mm, Evans Head 35mm.
>
>Winds are strong to gale force from the ESE.
>
>Expect to see major flooding if this keeps up.
>
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Well Chris, one of my teaching subjects is colour theory, and I am on a
roll with posting things on list servers at the moment.....LOL
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Sure beats my explanation.
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Heavy Rain & Strong Winds in SEQ
Hi Simon,
I think that as the low continues to develop, that we'll see all of the
rain that moved over us today and this afternoon that moved out to sea,
wrap around and come back inland o'night, possibly meaning that tomorrow
will be the peak of the NE NSW/SE QLD flood situation - hopefully no one
does anything silly like purposely cross a flooded river/creek in a car
over a bridge, or we don't have people going in flood waters!
AC
Simon Clarke wrote:
>
> Re: SE QLD Rain
>
> I travelled from Caloundra at 1.30pm to Cleveland (on the coast due east of
> Brisbane) arriving at 3.30pm. When leaving Caloundra it was raining very
> heavily with lightning and thunder. However a short distance out of
> Caloundra the skies brightened up to show blue skies to the west. It wasn't
> until I reached the Gateway Bridge did it start raining again (around 3pm)
> and it is obvious that it had been raining heavily. Still raining in
> Cleveland now (49 mm from 9am to 3.30pm).
>
> I was particularly interested in the radar picture which tells the story - A
> very broad arc of rain extending from the Sunshine Coast, out to Moreton Bay
> and then back onto the coast in the Wynnum area.
>
> Its tempting to think that the rain is about to move off the coast and small
> low pressure will form east of Moreton Island, but the forecasts would seem
> to disagree as the upper system is moving north - north west ?
>
> What do you think ?
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 4:32 PM
> Subject: [aussie-weather] Heavy Rain & Strong Winds in SEQ
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A line of severe TS went through Brisbane earlier with torrential rain,
> > flooding and strong winds. I was around Sunnybank at the time...some
> > roads were partially under water due to blocked drains and I frequently
> > had to shift into 2nd gear for extended periods of time to go through
> > some roads there was just that much water on them! I think a lot of
> > drains were blocked (they often are if we don't get widespread heavy
> > rain for a while), and that worsened the situation. There were strong
> > winds, saw one small tree down and a few branches down about the place.
> >
> > I phoned the BoM with the report at about 1:25pm - and they issued a
> > severe weather warning (attached below).
> >
> > Our kitchen got flooded - water came pouring through the skylight - gust
> > of 76km/h at my place. 29.8mm to 9am here, 9am to 3pm rainfall was
> > 66mm.
> >
> > TOP PRIORITY
> > SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
> > Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
> > At 1340 EST on Thursday the 1st of February 2001
> >
> > For the southeast coast district.
> >
> > Heavy rain currently being experienced through the southeast coast
> > district is
> > producing localised flooding on some roads and creek crossings. Periods
> > of
> > heavy rain are expected through the rest of today and overnight and
> > further
> > flooding is likley. People should exercise extreme caution.
> >
> > For further advice contact local police or SES.
> >
> > The next warning will be issued at 4pm Thursday.
> >
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Subject: [aussie-weather] FW: BERRIMAH STALL LINE - DARWIN STORM CHASERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE
Hey
everyone - great eamil from Charlie Fitzgerald (NT ASWA) re: last nights nice
squall line & winds.
Rgds,
Paul.
Ever since I arrived in Darwin I've been facinated
why five out of six, usually organised storms stall in the Palmerston / Berrimah
/
Francis Bay area. I've nicknamed it the
'Berrimah Stall Line'. I can give you some information, but it even
confuses the Weather Bureau and makes severe storm warnings a nightmare.
If I can get lastnight's storm on disk I will try to put it up on this site, if
I
can't I have it on video as I usually drop the
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Ch64
which has continuous weather broadcasts
during cyclone events anywhere from the Gulf area to Perth.
Yesterday, 31 January 2001 a very large organised
storm front was approaching from the SE by late afternoon and was becoming well
organised. It was about 250 x 500 kilometres in size and took about 6
hours to pass over most localities, including (sic) over
Darwin. Rainfall varied from 2 mm at the
Darwin Airport, 5 at Palmerston and 12 at Karama. In the rural area it
varied from 2 mm
at Humpty Doo to 7 at Howard Springs, 17 at Darwin
River Dam, 18 at McMinns Lagoon, 30 at Lambells Lagoon, 43 at Adelaide River
Post Office, 47 at Batchelor, 60 at Jabiru and 79 at the Jabiru Airport.
From 5 or 6 pm the cell was travelling from the SE
and you could bet your shirt on it that it would
piss down over Darwin for 5 or 6 hours.
Around 8.30 pm it struck seabreeze turbulance
which disorganised the storm. The storm front began to disappear
quickly, but
again reformed into a nice long well developed
storm line of yellow on the radar followed by tons of heavy rain but within 20
minutes
it stood stationary and didn't advance an inch for
the next three hours leaving a cloudless gap in the cloud over Francis Bay, the
city and the northern suburbs as well as over the inlet south of Francis
Bay. This gap remained there for the rest of the night,
while the storm magically reappeared to the north
of Darwin spreading in every direction except Darwin. The whole storm
system continued on it's path as before while the main storm cloud continued
south of Darwin until about 4 am.
Not only did the clouds not advance north of the
Francis Bay / Palmerston area, but the clouds continued to evaporate to the
south and southeast where it came from. Very early in the morning, cloud
came in from the NE over land, but as soon as it struck the
Darwin metropolitan area the cloud zized and zagged
continually along the coastline to totally avoid Darwin. Right in
the very last stages of this very long period of time the tiniest slithers of
cloud passed over some of Darwin barely wetting the ground.
When you consider there was no seabreeze in Darwin
as it was calm at the time , and the storm produced a gusty outflow that brought
down branches here at Fannie Bay, you could excuse the seabreeze from preventing
the storms approach. Maybe it was the sea temperature the bureau told me
was around 30 or 31 degrees. Maybe it's the heat from the cleared and
developed area of land, but how does this explain how the previous three year we
had record rainfalls. This year Darwin has experienced only 351 mm
compared to an average of 892mm. Gove has had around 1200mm and most of
the areas south of the top end including the Queensland / Northern Territory has
been in flood with falls in the top 10 or 20 percent decile.
These sort of conditions sends Darwin people
bonkers. The only good thing about it is you can sit at the wharf sucking
on a beer while watching decent rain and lightning storms pass on the skyline
south of Darwin, passing over Palmerston and the rural areas.
The Darwin Storm Cam located on the top of Moonta
House building in Mitchell Street provides the same view with some elevation and
shows the wharf I view from. The Darwin wharf Precinct is possibly the
best viewing and photography location as it has 360 degree views undercover
including the city skyline and the Berrimah stall line. It also has fine
eateries, toilets, parking, phones and excellent Batphone (mobile) coverage and
is a great place to meet people. Parking is a bit difficult after 7pm
especially on weekends and can be accessed from Bennet Street in the city by
minibus if you wish.
Contact us at NT ASWA as we should have our own
page up by the time this is published. I'm going to a little extra
effort to provide details of the location to help interstate or overseas
visitors.
Catch you all next time
Regards Charlie Fitzgerald
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Hi Everyone,
Here are my Blaxland (NSW) rainfall figures for the heavy rain event of the
last few days.
30th January 115mm (9am 30/1 - 9am 31/1)
31st January 45mm (9am 31/1- 9am 1/2)
1st February 24mm (9am - 8pm)
Total rainfall for January ended up being 285mm (174mm above average) after
it was looking like being 47mm below average this time last week.
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Andrew, a similar site, with different and sometimes useful options,
is at http://www.travelmate.com.au/ and click on Smart Trip. A useful
feature is being able to force a specific route, and I think there are
more options than theride. BTW, the raw GIS engine powering both sites
is at http://www.nowwhereroute.com/
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] severe thunderstorm warnings
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 17:12:56 +1100 (EST), Blair Trewin
wrote:
>I think David's hit the nail on the head here - as long as we don't have
>100% radar coverage of any given state there would be problems of
>regional consistency - you could issue warnings for areas where
>there was good radar coverage (which certainly applies to the NSW
>North Coast) but this creates problems with areas that don't have it.
>
I'm sorry, David and Blair, but I don't agree.
If you apply this principle, why give Sydney the benefit of
radar-based storm warnings? Shouldn't it wait until the rest of NSW
can enjoy the same life-saving advantages? Or should we wait until
just the populated eastern half of NSW gets radar? Or all Australia?
Or the Pacific Basin? These are lines in the sand.
Applying the principle elsewhere, would vessels close to a ship in
distress fail to give assistance because other areas may not have the
same density of shipping, and to provide assistance in this case would
present problems of regional consistency?
The NSW Railways used to fence all their lines to prevent stock,
children and grandmothers wandering in front of trains. Economically,
this is no longer possible. Should they, therefore, not fence any
lines, including those in towns, or beside busy roads? After all, to
do so would be regionally inconsistent.
If the general principle is that you don't provide a service in an
area where you can because there are some areas where you can't,
nothing would ever get done. It is a very convenient, bureaucratic
cop-out, and has been used by politicians since ancient Greece (and
probably before) to argue their way out of doing something that common
sense says should be done. It is a fallacious argument, because it
assumes that consistency is good in its own right. Consistency is only
good if it achieves some benefit. In this case, it places regional
centres with radar coverage equal to capital cities at a disadvantage
to the capital cities. Which is inconsistent.
Are we seriously suggesting that, if Bureau forecasters observe on
Grafton radar a supercell of historic proportions bearing down on the
city, they should not issue a specific warning but rely on a general
advice issued hours before, even though a specific warning could save
lives?
I do find the argument for regional consistency strangely inconsistent
with the Bureau's general policy of maintaining inconsistency through
its regional offices. Hence we have a brilliant web-based
flood-warning system in place in Qld, but not the glimmer of a similar
effort in other states. We have half-hourly reports from most AWS's in
Victoria (which have mostly been placed in new locations), but only
hourly ones from most in NSW (which mostly duplicate, and replace,
previous manual stations). We have four times the number of daily
reporting rain gauges in eastern Sydney than western Sydney, where
more than half the population lives.
The Bureau has a legislative responsibility to use whatever tools it
has at its disposal to issue warnings of life or property threatening
weather. It should do so.
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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 01:03:42 +1000
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Subject: aus-wx: Severe Weather SE Qld
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Hi All.
Well, the wet and windy conditions are continuing here on the Gold Coast,
with strong and gusty winds that appeared to be SE to E earlier in the day
seem to have swung around to be more NE during the late afternoon, making
us more exposed here in a NW aspect elevated position.
During the evening squalls have reached gale force at times, with
conditions appearing to be akin to a Cat 1 cyclone at times the way the
trees were being belted around by the wind and stripping some leaves and
twigs from trees (we have a good garden floodlight).
The wind has dropped a little in the last few hours, but still reaching
gale force in squalls, and we have had a few lighter rain breaks in the
generally moderate to heavy rain.
Latest BoM Severe Weather Warning pasted below.
Regards,
Carl.
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>TOP PRIORITY
>SEVERE WEATHER WARNING
>Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
>At 2250 EST on Thursday the 1st of February 2001
>
>For the Southeast Coast district, eastern Darling Downs and southern parts of
>the Wide Bay-Burnett district.
>
>A strong pressure gradient is developing between a 1002hPa low north of
>Kingaroy
>and a 1027hPa high in the Tasman Sea.
>
>Damaging wind gusts to 100 kilometres per hour are possible over the southeast
>coast district and the Eastern Darling Downs , particularly about higher
>ground.
>
>Very rough seas will make beaches and coastal bars dangerous.
>
>Further heavy rain is expected through the Southeast Coast district and
>southern
>Wide Bay-Burnett district with localised flooding of roads and possible
>rises in
>creeks and rivers.
>
>People should take precautions if out in the open or driving in the wet windy
>conditions.
>
>For further advice, contact your local police or SES
>
>The next warning will be issued at 5 am Friday.
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Hi All,
Well at last a decent dump, 140mm in the 24 hours to midnight. January had
continued the yr 2000 trend of below average rainfall with a total of just
47.5mm (of which 17.5mm just made it in on the 31st) cf 125mm average. All
has now changed for Feb with 140mm in 24 hours which exceeds average for the
month by 20mm. Total for the year 2000 was 597mm (cf 877mm average).
John from a soggy and windy Mt. Crosby.
>snip
Subject: aus-wx: Heavy Rain in SE Qld.
Hi All.
Heavy rain continued overnight here on the Gold Coast, becoming very heavy
around dawn (sufficiently so to wake me up because of the noise on the
roof), and has eased a little today to periodic heavy rain interspersed
with drizzle. The winds have picked up (probably SE but a bit hard to tell
here because of a low ridge immediately S to E of the house), and there are
thunderstorms in the region judging by the static on the AM radio.
Heard the BoM on the radio a while ago - they expect it to continue until
tomorrow and there was 141mm at Coolangatta overnight, and I would say we
close to that here out the back of Burleigh Heads.
A Severe Weather Warning has been issued by the BoM for SE Qld (pasted
below).
Regards,
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At 09:11 PM 1/31/01, you wrote:
> > >From: "Catherine McHugh"
>
> > >QUESTION: I was talking with some friends during a recent thunderstorm
>up
> > >here (Darwin, NT) and we wondered if you get lightning at the Poles? As
>in,
> > >the Arctic Circle and Antarctica. We thought that surely photos of
> > >lightning strikes would be quite spectacular and that if it (lightning)
>did
> > >strike in such cold conditions we would have seen something or heard
>about
> > >it somewhere to indicate as such.
>
>I am not an authority on this question but I will attempt to apply what I
>do know to answer the question. But I could be wrong.
>
>For lightning to occur we must have an unstable (to slant wise or vertical
>motion) stratification, sufficiently strong drafts to separate charges, ~
>45 dBZ, and mixed phase of supercooled liquid water, snow, and ice/grapul.
>Rarely if ever would the atmosphere be sufficiently unstable, therefor
>drafts would be too weak, nor would sufficiently high reflectivities be
>present. On the question of mixed phase, I am not certain I would
>eliminate that condition. It is conceivable that one condition could be
>met.
>
>Les
I remember reading something a few months ago on the internet related to
global warming and the arctic ice melting. There was a report than Native
Canadians in far north Canada were experiencing thunder and lightning for
the first time in memory. I don't know how accurate the report was, but I
thought it was interesting. Probably the equivalent for the far north
Canadians as it would be for snow to fall on the people in Perth, which
although exceedingly unlikely could happen I guess once in a few hundred,
or thousand years, on the back side of an intense winter low?
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>
>I remember reading something a few months ago on the internet related to
>global warming and the arctic ice melting. There was a report than Native
>Canadians in far north Canada were experiencing thunder and lightning for
>the first time in memory. I don't know how accurate the report was, but I
>thought it was interesting. Probably the equivalent for the far north
>Canadians as it would be for snow to fall on the people in Perth, which
>although exceedingly unlikely could happen I guess once in a few hundred,
>or thousand years, on the back side of an intense winter low?
Here's a link to what I was talking about:
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Been trying to link the egroups to yahoo for a few days now and
finaly done it after a half an hour and a couple of screen refreshs,
I'm not convinced this is the way to go, there must be a better way.
The barometre is falling again in Gunnedah today. We were lucky to
miss the big falls that fell further north at Moree this week (up to
20") I tipped 63 mill out, just what the doctor ordered. Been
watching the depression that seems to been causing all this rain and
it looks to be tracking SW and intensifying again ????.. Strange
weather here today. I havent seen storms build in the NE and track SW
consistently before, usually when we get this effect it is only for a
few hours and is blown away by a change pretty well before the storms
move westward. You can hardly breath outside at the moment and temp
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Subject: Re: [aussie-weather] Question re satpic
Hi all
Jane, check out the IR loop I constructed as this shows the development of
that storm system:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_02_03/gmsloop.gif
That notch does appear in a couple of images, so it seems real. This also
appears in the water vapour imagery, here:
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_02_03/wvloop.gif
As for the second arrow, I think that boundary _could_ perhaps be caused
through convergence with the upper level southwesterlies from the low
pressure system to the south, ie it causes the edge of the anvil to
sharpen up(?).
PS
Just a reminder Jane that I will be absent from next Sat's ASWA meeting.
:(
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Leslie R. Lemon wrote:
> Jane asked:
>
> > Arrow 1 points to a notch in the SE quarter of what appears to be an
> > enormous anvil - firstly is it an anvil? secondly, is dry air causing
> > this, and at what level? and why???
>
> I am not a satellite authority but I take this to be an anvil shield but
> for a large complex of thunderstorms. The notch appears to be almost cut
> out. Something is wrong here with the photo. At least to me this does not
> look real.
>
> > Arrow 2 points to what appears to be the edge of the old anvil if it is
> > an anvil?????
>
> I believe that what is in view there is the lower level cloud or cloud base
> of the convective complex.
>
> My best guess.
>
> Les
>
Cheers
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E-mail robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia
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Subject: [aussie-weather] Floods in NE NSW
Hi
What is happening with this list, will there be a new single server soon?
Anyway, I have just got home from being stuck for two nights just south of
Tweed Heads. We were comming home from Sydney on Thursday, and decided to go
all the way that day to avoid being stuck behind dozens of floods. We
reached Muwillumbah around 7.30 pm and had had to go around and through
water at various places. We were following a group of semi's and some cars
along the pacific highway. We reached the bridge to Terranora over the tweed
river, but once we were over we saw more deep water and decided to go back.
We returned to a small town called Tumbulgum and stopped at the tavern
there, where we could get the car up a little bit higher. We were then stuck
there for two nights watching the waters go up and down, almost reaching the
car. We finally heard thismorning that a road from Mooball, through to
Chinderah and Tweed heads. We were also told that the road back to
Murwillumbah, one of the lowest points