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Offline Michael Thomas

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Funnel cloud near Dalby 4th Feb 2008
« on: 12 February 2008, 04:47:24 PM »
Today I was shown a photo, taken by friend, of a funnel cloud near Dalby on the 4th of Febuary. I believe this photo was taken around lunch time. I was actually quite suprised so I decided to make a post, there is clearly a funnel protruding from a Cu base. It is not clear whether the circulation made it to the ground or not so it may of been a landspout (or non-mesocyclonic tornado). Unfortunately they were driving at the time and did not stop.

I would have thought the conditions on the day would not have favoured landspout formation. Looking at the Brisbane sounding shows there were deep NE'lys (surface to 700 hPa) with rich lower level moisture (surface dp 22 degrees). Lapse rates were quite poor following essentially the saturated adiabatic lapse rate. This meant that despite the high dp's CAPE was quite modest (1100 j/kg at the time of sounding). I believe landspouts are commonly associated with steep lower level lapse rates which only possible with larger T/Td speads. Dalby is at 344m and therefore the conditions there may have been quite different. I don't have the surface obs for Dalby on the day though.

Brisbane morning sounding-
http://soundings.bsch.au.com/skew-t.html?source=wyoming&lat=-27.4178&lon=153.1142&gribdate=&month=02&day=04&year=2008&hour=00

Radar loops

---> Staplyton 256 / Brisbane 128



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Michael

« Last Edit: 14 February 2008, 01:51:34 AM by Michael Bath »

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RE: Funnel cloud near Dalby 4th Feb 2008
« Reply #1 on: 13 February 2008, 04:28:37 PM »
Today I was shown a photo, taken by friend, of a funnel cloud near Dalby on the 4th of Febuary. I believe this photo was taken around lunch time. I was actually quite suprised so I decided to make a post, there is clearly a funnel protruding from a Cu base. It is not clear whether the circulation made it to the ground or not so it may of been a landspout (or non-mesocyclonic tornado). Unfortunately they were driving at the time and did not stop.

I would have thought the conditions on the day would not have favoured landspout formation. Looking at the Brisbane sounding shows there were deep NE'lys (surface to 700 hPa) with rich lower level moisture (surface dp 22 degrees). Lapse rates were quite poor following essentially the saturated adiabatic lapse rate. This meant that despite the high dp's CAPE was quite modest (1100 j/kg at the time of sounding). I believe landspouts are commonly associated with steep lower level lapse rates which only possible with larger T/Td speads. Dalby is at 344m and therefore the conditions there may have been quite different. I don't have the surface obs for Dalby on the day though.


Regards,
Michael




Hi Michael,

I'm in agreement with what you have said based on that Brisbane sounding. I think the first thing, and as you note in the last paragraph, it would be important to look at conditions (T/Td) even more locally to Dalby than Brisbane. Hard to tell much from the picture other than there being a pretty heavy cumulus / towering cumulus cover.

Like all things in nature I guess the relative abundance of one thing can to some extent compensate for the lack thereof of other factors. Davies devised what he called a "crude way" in which to determine areas of enhanced stretching potential - ESP (since stretching is all important). This basically considers low-level lapse-rates and low-level (0-3km) CAPE. He uses Nebraska 24, 2004 as a case study -- we chased that day in fact -- here is a a picture of the base:
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RE: Funnel cloud near Dalby 4th Feb 2008
« Reply #2 on: 14 February 2008, 01:07:02 AM »
Michael,

If only they had taken the foreground with funnel, then it would have allowed some perspective. I am estimating that the funnel appears about 1/3rd way to the ground maximum. At this point it is difficult to ascertain whether it is low enough to be on the ground -I very much doubt it from the image as it stands.

Nice funnel though - always a surprise.

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