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Sprites and blue jet lightning
« on: 21 July 2007, 05:56:08 PM »
What atmosphere height induces thunderstorms to produce sprite, blue jet and ELF(extremely low freqency field ) waves.  Are they specifically supercell thunderstorms or can any severe storm with very high altitude caps produce them?  Would the thunderstorm have to at the most extreme available layer to produce them say in the ranges of 20km or further up - 30,000 or 40,000 feet?  I've included a photo of a sprite courtesy of * http://elf.gi.alaska.edu/#intro.



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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #1 on: 22 July 2007, 03:48:12 AM »
I vaguely recall these being assocaited with Top End thunderstorms too - so not anything specific to supercells. 
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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #2 on: 22 July 2007, 04:48:50 AM »
Hector here reaches 20km up but he only forms during the daytime hours and would be hard too see this type of lightning one would gather.  I have read that any thunderstorm can produce them but you have to be in the right place surrounded by total darkness so that there's no obstruction of light if your'e watching and that they're so fast that you'd miss it if you blinked.  I will try and hunt down further on this in regards to Top End storms.  Supercells mentioned purely on the basis of their size, but since all thunderstorms produce lightning, they're all in the category....:)

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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #3 on: 22 July 2007, 04:58:01 AM »
Apparently there are records of Aborigines seeing such activity from thunderstorms in the Top End but I am not sure if such activity has been reported elsewhere due to city lights?

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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #4 on: 22 July 2007, 06:24:09 AM »
Now that is extremely interesting, Jimmy.  They would be in a prime position to see them considering a percentage are litterally out in the middle of no-man's land.   I'm sure they refer to these events as 'marfa lights'. 

I read the following re observing them and the best viewing distance from the storm is 100-200 miles (200-300 km). At these distances sprites will subtend a vertical angular distance of 10-20 degrees. This is 2-4 times the separation of the pointer stars in the Big Dipper.  Do we need telecopes or the naked eye for this!

For observing sprites, it must be completely dark. (i. e. no longer twilight)

Eyes must be completely dark adapted. Use same criteria for this as for astronomical observing. If you can see the Milky Way, then it is probably dark enough and the eyes have adapted enough to see sprites.

And this for blue jets I found this explanation courtesy of http://elf.gi.alaska.edu/#how   

'Blue jets are a second high altitude optical phenomenon, distinct from sprites.observed above thunderstorms using low light television systems. As their name implies, blue jets are optical ejections from the top of the electrically active core regions of thunderstorms. Following their emergence from the top of the thundercloud, they typically propagate upward in narrow cones of about 15 degrees full width at vertical speeds of roughly 100 km/s (Mach 300), fanning out and disappearing at heights of about 40-50 km. Their intensities are on the order of 800 kR near the base, decreasing to about 10 kR near the upper terminus. These correspond to an estimated optical energy of about 4 kJ, a total energy of about 30 MJ, and an energy density on the order of a few mJ/m^3. Blue jets are not aligned with the local magnetic field.'

Mach 300?  No wonder they're best viewed from satellites and the shuttle.

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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #5 on: 16 October 2008, 10:11:53 AM »
Found this absolutely outstanding explanation and footage of sprites filmed in Oklahoma.  Don't know if anyone has seen this, but I was pretty damn well educated after viewing it.  I give this a must see rating.  Would be great to see any photos anyone has of their own of this phenomena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xVThAFfP0E
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Re: Sprites and blue jet lightning
« Reply #6 on: 17 October 2008, 02:57:15 AM »
Some great footage there - the blue jets "shooting" out the top of thunderstorms is impressive and weird !
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